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Re: Meaning of `source code'

[moved to debian-private from debian-devel due to wish not to start
another flame war]

Ian Jackson wrote:
> 
> Juan Cespedes <cespedes@debian.org>
> > So, if I write a program which needs a non-free compiler to be
> > built, that program _cannot be free_ according to the GPL. 
> > But do we consider it free?
> 
> No, we do not.  We're even stricter - you have to be able to built it
> using packages in the Debian main distribution.
> 

I agree.
After the recent discussion about QT and KDE, I started to look to QT
code to see what problems there are in cloning it, and I found that QT
includes a compiler (more a preprocessor) used to create meta-objects,
real c++ code to be included in the program source.
Thus no binary package that depends on QT can be built on a _pure_
debian machine.

But our "logical" reaction to this (move KDE and other QT linked
packages from contrib to non-free) would have the effect of hurting
Debian, pushing a fight _between_ free software developers, without any
effect on QT and Trolltech.

As I told on a private email, Trolltech behaviour has the effect of
dividing the Free Software community. I don't know if this is done on
purpose or not, but I feel this as __evil__.
This people uses marketing strateges to attract more developers (mainly
students) with contests, tutorials, and teach them to develop using QT.
Having started using it, developers will hardly accept our point of
view, for several reasons. Fighting them will have a bad effect on Free
Software. We _have_ to fight Trolltech.
Commercial companies that wants to _stole_ developers devoted to Free
Software are our enemy.

Thus, instead of starting endless (and unusefull) discussion about QT
linked programs, we should seriously start working on a free-qt project.
Even if we don't like it, just because we need all those developers that
they are stoling.


Fabrizio
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