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Re: giving money to gnome

On Wed, Nov 19, 1997 at 06:54:12AM -0600, Paul J Thompson wrote:
> > Debian as the underlying OS in a non-free project,
> > then you should expect them to have at least some CONSIDERATION
> > for our policies. Our policies say that free software comes first.
> 
> Totally invalid.  If we are going to make our rules, then we can't
> complain when someone follows through with them.  And, also, shouldn't it

> > I think Enrique has a point. Sure you can base any product you want
> > on Debian, but if you annoy enough of the free-software-diehards
> > in the process, then there won't be any Debian. They need to have
> > some consideration towards us too.
> 
> Actually, according to our rules, no, they don't.  And I think "there not 
> being any more Debian" is a wonderful dramatization, but means almost as
> much as a one legged lamma.  Nothing.

Really? I wouldn't be so sure. Andreas said he will walk off if
we do give the money to the GNOME project. People have some strong
convictions -- Bruce, Ian etc have shown some strong convictions
about free software, and I doubt don't for a minute that people
would walk off if our DFSG principles are compromised.

> > But they haven't shown that they are willing to do anything about the
> > problem. They are happy with the situation. We are not.
> 
> Oh, let's whine now...  Come on, why should they do anything?  We simply
> have a disagreement in policy.  And we _did_ say anyone could use us as a
> base distribution...

Of course we said that, and of course there's nothing we can do about it.
But that doesn't mean we have to like it, and that doesn't mean we
have to give them money!

Perhaps if they give some indication that they want to fix the problem,
the situation would be different. GNOME has no problems.


Hamish
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