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Re: giving money to gnome

On Wed, Nov 19, 1997 at 06:29:52AM -0600, Paul J Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
> 
> Andreas, I agree with you 100%.  This kind of antagonistic behavior toward
> the non-dfsg community is downright immature and, as you said, shameful!
> 
> Debian is an excellent distribution (the best right now, IMHO).  Being
> such, we should take responsiblity by being mature and "friendly" with the
> rest of the world.

Hang on -- we let everyone do what we want with the distribution
(which we encourage under the GPL) but we can't even comment on it?
If you expect Debian to respect their right to do as they wish
with the distribution, and therefore their decision to use
Debian as the underlying OS in a non-free project,
then you should expect them to have at least some CONSIDERATION
for our policies. Our policies say that free software comes first.

> > choosen for that Qt-champion product was Debian. But that's how _free_
> > software works! You are free to use it the way you like best, even if
> > doing so is dangerous to the same free software movement that provides
> > it. Perhaps the KDE people should think a bit about that before trying
> > to be _the_ Linux Desktop Enviroment).
> 
> I'm sorry, Enrique, but this is the largest load of crap I have heard in a
> long time.  Our distribution being chosen above the others should first
> thing be considered a complement, and last thing an insult.  And, btw, I

I think Enrique has a point. Sure you can base any product you want
on Debian, but if you annoy enough of the free-software-diehards
in the process, then there won't be any Debian. They need to have
some consideration towards us too.


> don't know if you have looked at it, but the KDE projects stuff is pretty
> darn good (the best DE concept currently existant for Linux) so I don't
> think you have much room to talk about them "trying to be _the_ Linux
> Desktop Environment.
> 
> An hey, where is your appreciation.  Put yourself in their shoes.  Sure,
> they're ways (concerning qt) don't match up with ours completely, but
> there sure are a bunch of people putting in a whole lot of _volunteer_
> time for the KDE project.  Try to think before preaching next time.

But they haven't shown that they are willing to do anything about the
problem. They are happy with the situation. We are not.

If there is any shame in this, it's that we are having the discussion.


Hamish
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