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Re: giving money to gnome

[Due to my general lack of time at the moment, I am only following the
whole thing here very loosely, so I haven't witnessed the "online
discussion" about how to spend the money]


> > I'll note that Bruce did mention earlier that when we suggested we'd
> > put the money into a DFSG-free QT replacement, they liked the idea.
> > (I liked the idea as well, because there are other QT based programs
> > like qweb, which, unlike a "desktop", I'd actually *use*...)  Granted,
> > funding gnome instead is a different proposal, but I'm not sure it's
> > *that* different, if it means improving gtk enough that qt-based
> > programs could switch.  
> We discussed this online and decided that funding GNOME was the best
> way to fund a free replacement for Qt.

I don't see the connection between GNOME and getting a free replacement
for Qt. If you want to support a free replacement for Qt, then give the
money to the GTK people, and not to the gnome people. Or - if you can't
give it to the GTK people for some reason, hand it to the gimp developers,
which will also benefit GTK.


> I have no message from any of the KDE developers that they find this
> insulting.

Neither did I, but I can surely understand their position as Andres
described it - you say you want to support a replacement for Qt, but while
supporting the Qt replacement you are also supporting a replacement for
KDE.


> Debian is free software - one would expect that we could use the
> donations we get from it in any way we want. Obviously, it's in our
> interest to promote free software.

This sounds very much like Microsofts per-processor-licenses a couple of
years back. Obviously these were in M$ interest to promote their profits.
But - Microsoft got money for each sold PC - even if no Microsoft OS was
on there. Even if you chose a PC with Linux, Microsoft got money from it.

Now - you are doing the same in the free software arena. You are giving
money to one future desktop replacement - even if it came from people
convinced to buy the CDrom by KDE another desktop.



  Benedikt

Windows 95: n.
    32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
    operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
         by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.


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