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Re: giving money to gnome

> > That's wrong! Debian is an *add on* to the KDE CD. KDE is not based
> > on Debian in any way.
> Well, if you want a whole operating environment, you need a desktop
> and an OS. Debian is the OS, KDE the desktop. You can run Debian
> without KDE, but you need an OS to run KDE. So Debian is, as I said,
> the underlying OS in the KDE-CD.

Not necessarily, from what I understand, the CD is primarily a KDE CD, so
it should primarily appeal to people that already have Linux up and
running (no matter what distribution), and that JFL just put Debian on
there as a bonus. 

But - that is simple to confirm - for those having the CD, is the KDE on
there packed as .tar.gz or as .deb? If it is the first, it should be
clear, that it was intended as something "open for all distributions".


> > Please read the announcement for GNOME. It *is* a new desktop
> > environment. And therefor the result will be able to replace KDE ...
> It's a said day when you consider one free software project
> to be in COMPETITION with another.

That is actually pretty normal -- just look Amaya vs. Arena vs. lynx,
or nvi vs. vim, or FSF-GNUemacs vs. XEmacs, GTK vs. lesstif...

And - actually I do think competition is a very good thing. It wastes
programming effort for the main negative point, but it promotes innovation
as each "team" will try to be more innovative than the other to make its
own program more useful.


> > Sure, but we *say* we will use the money we get from one project to
> > support a replacement project. That's not nice at all. Instead we
> It's not nice that the KDE people would even make this their business.

Assuming that the JFL CD is primarily a KDE CD that contains Debian as a
bonus, our giving the CD money to GNOME is definetely an insult to them;
as we would give money, that we wouldn't get without their product, to aid
a project competing with them. Debian is behaving like the Scorpion that
gets itself a ride over a pond on a frogs back.


> Why don't the KDE people make an effort to change the library,
> if they recognise the problem? It shouldn't be too hard to write
> a wrapper to emulate Qt anyway.

Probably because it'll cost them quite a bit of work to do that, while
they still haven't even reached all other "targets" they wanted to
achieve. Additionally - in the end, the whole thing will probably be so
big, that they won't like the idea then, because it's too much work (even
though they wouldn't have anything else to do).



  Benedikt


Windows 95: n.
    32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
    operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
         by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.


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