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Re: giving money to gnome



> maybe, just maybe, the KDE team will start to get the idea that licenses
> for free software *ARE* important, that free software which requires you
> to use non-free software is not truly free, and that a large segment of
> the linux user and developer communities feel very strongly about the free
> software issue.

You're partly right here - most developers will probably know about the
meaning of free in terms of free software. But I don't think that many
(non-programming) users know the meaning of free in free software, they'll
rather accept it in a way that they see 'free beer'.


> KDE is undoubtedly free.  It is, however, completely useless *UNLESS*
> you install a piece of non-free software. 

You'd be surprised to see, how many people just don't notice, that there
is a non-free section at all. To them, everything is just free.


> That is the problem.  KDE developers show absolutely no inclination at
> all to fix that problem, so it is a good thing that the gnome project
> exists as a truly-free alternative. 

Of course it's a good thing, that GNOME exists as a truly free alternative
to KDE - no one around here has so far stated that GNOMEs' pure existence
would be nonsensical. Simply because it isn't.


But, I am still expecting some answers from Bruce and everyone else who
feels that (s)he should answer it as well:

	Is GNOME the only possible free software project we could give
	money to?

	Why can't GTK be an alternative?

	Why do people say, they just want to give money to GNOME to
	support GTK, when giving the money to GTK would have the same
	effect, but wouldn't upset KDE people so much?

	Why not give THIS money to dselect? The main point of negative 
	feedback on Debian is not, that we don't have a free desktop,
	but rahter that dselect is still a good way from "very
	user-friendly".  (Note the polite wording here)
	Later we can still give money from other sources to GNOME.


Come on, Bruce, Graig, give me (and the others) some answers to that!
So far, you've only been justifying yourself by pure rhetorics here.

	Benedikt


Windows 95: n.
    32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
    operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
         by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.


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