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Re: Sources of Donation

On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:

> my problem currenly is : 
> if you look at bruce mails, you think that kde is non-free.
> this is a lie : our definition of free (DFSG) marks kde as free.

Well, maybe you can read that into his statements, but I can't. Bruce has
been very clear about what our problems are with KDE and none of what he
has said is a lie.

> 
> kde is not useable for debian (social contract #1 and policy:contrib),
> but "not usable" is very different from "not free".
> 
Well, I don't think so. "Usability" is what software freedom is all about.
While I admit that most of the components of KDE do qualify as free
software, its dependence on the non-free library creates complications for
its distribution and makes it less than free. (contrib is still not DFSG
compliant because of non-free dependencies. That is why it is there)

> i don't thing, that bruce only made a mistake, but he continues to
> state things. he is clever : if people talk about kde, he sais
> "we will support gnome, because it is free software."

I don't see any reason that he can't "state things" and his cleverness is
an asset to the project. What he says about GNOME is both correct and
acceptable to me. I don't draw broad inferences from the statements of
others because it is a good way to misunderstand intent.

> 
> so people get the fealing that kde is non-free.
> 
As a package it is definitely less than free.

> that's the sort of provocations, that i don't want to hear.
> 
Sorry, but we have specific goals for Debian, and KDE has made it clear
that they do not support those goals to the degree that we would desire. I
don't see any overstepped boundaries here.

> please correct me, if i'm wrong.
> 
Consider yourself corrected ;-)

Luck,

Dwarf
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