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| MinceR | can't, he's ignoring me :> | May 01 12:49 |
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| MinceR | can't watch videos here, EDGE is way too slow for that :> | May 01 12:54 |
| MinceR | i'm in an area with poor connectivity | May 01 12:54 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | May 01 15:59 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | May 01 15:59 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | May 01 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | http://opensource.com/education/10/4/secret-lives-faculty-getting-there "A PhD typically takes between 5 and 8 years to complete. If you are in Computer Science, you are likely to have funding to support you for some of your time, and (if your research advisor is well funded) you will be funded the entire time." | May 01 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | May 01 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Takes just 3-4 years here | May 01 17:57 |
| MinceR | i guess it depends on where you start counting :> | May 01 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Can't be three degrees in 5 years | May 02 00:52 |
| schestowitz | US is 4 for B* | May 02 00:52 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz what microbloggging client do you use - and how do you shorten your urls?: http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=mray&inreplyto=30719845 I use kdemicroblog; MinceR, you should set up an account there too | May 02 00:55 |
| schestowitz | @gbraad some months ago they announced it > "@schestowitz where did you get the information it concerns an ARM version of the OLPC?" | May 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | It's fun, MinceR | May 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Lots of Linux people who pay attention when you trigger their projetc name | May 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Even Linsuc trash is there | May 02 00:58 |
| schestowitz | One of the linsux boyz "@schestowitz Always great to see the progress of Mozilla. I can't wait to see what 4.x will have to offer." | May 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | @deadsuperhero he calls himself | May 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | There are other weirdoes from there | May 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | weirdos? | May 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I've used Mozilla since 03... also Netscape before that... what a difference | May 02 00:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30639686#notice-30731777 "@schestowitz for the OLPC 1.75, but the current version is still AMD Geode." | May 02 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the correction, I guess | May 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | See? Real-time feedback in one place, it's great | May 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30640060#notice-30732364 "@schestowitz would love to see an ARM-powered OLPC :). My guess it's Marvell Armada powered, like http://ur1.ca/qhy0 http://ur1.ca/ycem" | May 02 01:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you've gotta join us there... | May 02 01:40 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz: I love how many linuxes run from USB/SD card. VERY versatile. Even better when these can also be run in virtualbox." http://identi.ca/conversation/30630306#notice-30732393 | May 02 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Will be syndicated in IRC too | May 02 01:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30630306#notice-30732393 "@schestowitz I just hope Gecko can keep up with Webkit, it feels like every so often they get behind..." | May 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/30733261 "@schestowitz they are beautiful ! can not wait to check these babies when they hit local store ;-)" | May 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz | @silner re: "Is that a front end to Choqok or a completely different app?" >never used Choqok | May 02 01:43 |
| schestowitz | @silner re: "I tried !Kubuntu very briefly, but the widgets confused me :)" > KDE4 much improved now, widgets richer | May 02 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | Florian: | May 02 10:54 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks. I'm glad to see we can have constructive exchanges on things like | May 02 10:54 |
| schestowitz | > that. Your conspiracy theories are extreme at times but you seem to be | May 02 10:54 |
| schestowitz | > focused on what people actually say and do rather than only the things | May 02 10:54 |
| schestowitz | > others say about them. | May 02 10:54 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i don't have time to microblog :> | May 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | You're missing out :-) | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > Are you out there?? | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assume_Good_Faith | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Keith Curtis <keithcu@gmail.com | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > <mailto:keithcu@gmail.com>> wrote: | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > check out the chart I found as well. | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > The fact that I used to work at Microsoft has nothing to do with it. | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > Quit questioning my motives!! | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | > -Keith | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsofters..... | May 02 13:49 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz FYI, working on article about how DRM/TPM has negative impact on Climate Change. Expect it to be controversial. @schestowitz Nope. It's Mark. He's a Husky/Alsatian/Wolf cross. Affectionate as hell, but you cannot trust him near food!" http://identi.ca/conversation/30689084#notice-30782254 | May 02 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | About this former Softie: | May 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I checked his blog. Full of "Open letters". Anyway the guy is good at playing with words. :P" | May 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30686002#notice-30787808 | May 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | basically, I am skeptical because he has been trying to influence Ubuntu in ways that help Microsoft | May 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz He forgets that Ubuntu's and Debian are not on the same book. Their aims are different. Merger? SRSLY? It will bring more wars." http://identi.ca/conversation/30699936#notice-30793326 | May 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | it's not the first time he does it. There was one time last year. | May 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Anyway the merger isn't going to happen anyway. He should relax and go out for holiday to Switzerland. :)" | May 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | @manish why? What did Switzerland do? :-D | May 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuA7nAOBXQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp | May 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30716931#notice-30811197 "@schestowitz Nothing. Just saying that he needs to take a break from his work and go out for a holiday to Switzerland" | May 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/05/sight-not-often-seen-in-airports/ | May 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Misc_Pages/Electricity/ | May 02 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | THat guy keeps mailing even thought he gets no reply... *Sigh* | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > Hi; | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > I think you are paranoid if you think I am trying to help Microsoft | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > or that writing free software helps Microsoft. At least I wish you | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > spend more time trying to see how the latter especially is a stretch! | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > One point for you to consider along those lines: it is 10x easier to | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > port from C# than from C/C++. | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > I just looked up paranoia. Here is the definition: | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > ------ | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > A chronic form of insanity characterized by very gradual impairment | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > of the intellect, systematized delusion, and usually by delusions of | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > persecution or mandatory delusions producing homicidal tendency. In | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > its mild form paranoia may consist in the well-marked crotchetiness | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > exhibited in persons commonly called "cranks." Paranoiacs usually | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > show evidences of bodily and nervous degeneration, and many have | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > hallucinations, esp. of sight and hearing. | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > ------ | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > I think you should think about that some and whether it applies to you. | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not paranoid because I know we can and will win. My goal is to | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > do whatever I can to speed things along. I have some ideas on what | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > things need to be done. Maybe you ought to consider that you don't | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > have all the answers, either. | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > You could even be paranoid about thinking that I've been emailing | May 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | > you for some ulterior motive to get you to lower your guard. The | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > paranoia is endless. | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > To be honest, I'm not sure entirely why I bothered to email you. I | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > guess it is because I thought you were a reasonable person. Also, | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > it's Sunday and I'm waiting for a hockey game to start so I have | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > some free time. But also, I see that paranoia is contagious. So when | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > you lose it, others will as well. So if you are looking for an | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > ulterior motive, how's that? You did cause me to look up the word | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > and also I'm thankful for that. | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I like thinking and writing and I don't need a motivation | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > for it so I wouldn't even go looking for one. | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > -Keith | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > Of course, you are not responding to the merits of my ideas at all, just | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > my motivations. | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > That's fine. It is because you are paranoid that you are doing this. | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, just ignore my words and look at this picture: | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > http://keithcu.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/debianusers.png | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > I don't need to see a picture to know what is logical and obvious, but | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > maybe it is helpful to you. | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > -Keith | May 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz BoonEx Dolphin is another one that makes it difficult to understand whether you need to pay for a product or not."http://identi.ca/conversation/30772519#notice-30871055 | May 03 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | May 03 21:11 |
| schestowitz | > | May 03 21:11 |
| schestowitz | > Would you happen to have a link to a recent report showing that | May 03 21:11 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft is not making money on MS Office? | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | It's just down 6% this qtr and Microsoft deferred revenue till next qtr to hype up MSO10. | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I just got my first PM spam in IRC, I think | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [20:43] <roeysx> Hi,schestowitz.would you like meet me go into http://lucia.blogdns.com/ | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [20:43] <roeysx> Hi,schestowitz.do you wanna know me go to http://lucia.blogdns.com/ | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <-- roeysx has left this server (Quit: roeysx). | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Never got PM spam before | May 03 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Skype has had a lot of SPAM recently too, my brother tells me | May 03 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | This ought to be more consistent across channels now... cleaning up a bit as you can tell | May 04 13:51 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | May 04 13:56 |
| schestowitz | "@openuniverse re "wow, i'll stick with kate's predecessor." >this only happens after editing for days though" | May 04 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Kate lost some options over time | May 04 13:58 |
| schestowitz | They don't even just hide them | May 04 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | BytePatent | May 05 07:27 |
| schestowitz | May 05 07:27 | |
| schestowitz | Alas, @zoobab I'm not optimistic. What did you think about @schestowitz complaining about me? You ought to be ready to discuss positions | May 05 07:27 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/BytePatent/status/13384129188 | May 05 07:27 |
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| schestowitz | What an annoying guy | May 05 07:27 |
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| schestowitz | "@openuniverse just bad luck (re "it's unfortunate your tags make it appear as if moz is adopting mono, which i'm confident is not the case")" | May 05 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Heh | May 05 10:31 |
| schestowitz | SCO: jurors too busy Facebooking to rule on Unix claim http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/29/sco_judge_trial_jury/ | May 05 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz well sure, kindle is a threat to books, apple is a threat to music, microsoft is a threat to eveything it touches" http://identi.ca/conversation/31016737#notice-31117284 | May 05 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Cracked. "I suppose you already know, but this shows what treas.gov runs: http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=*.treas.gov" http://twitter.com/coolguy4linux/statuses/13448077583 | May 06 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | re FOSS as commercial "@schestowitz a point I have been making for some time too... first spotted this deliberate conflation coming from the monopolist ~ 2 yrs ago" @Mark_Antony yes, I remembered when I typed it ;-) | May 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | "@pookito re "all these things sounds nice, but I still do not know how to use #Nepomuk" it's already in the file manager (Dolphin)" | May 06 14:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: got KDE 4.4 yet? | May 06 14:41 |
| MinceR | nope | May 06 14:42 |
| MinceR | i expect to get it with fedora 13 | May 06 14:42 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I'm just glad the DoD are now on the case - organisations like this disintangling these terms will make the point clear!" | May 06 14:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I was going to as well | May 06 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't find patience though | May 06 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/31269016 "@schestowitz the positive message is that Red Hat was right ;-)" | May 06 18:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jan Wildeboer (jwildeboer) 's status on Thursday, 06-May-10 13:51:46 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.11 KB | May 06 18:07 |
| schestowitz | "@jwildeboer and now, #RedHat can stop applying for software patents..." | May 06 18:08 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 06 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm teasing them | May 06 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm still at this situation at the moment where I need to decide whether to carry on activism or accept invitation of lectureship in London. | May 06 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > You're such a prolific blogger that I was already wondering how you could reconcile activism with other work. | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > I'm admittedly in a comfortable position due to past successes, such as representing Blizzard Entertainment in the German-speaking markets (1995-1998), selling an online gaming startup | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > whose largest shareholder and CEO I was to Telefónica (2000) and I also got a relatively small but still not valueless part of the sale of MySQL to Sun (I became involved with MySQL back in 2001, when I met the founders at a kitchen table even before Marten Mickos came on board). | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | > I do only a fraction of your amount of blogging... | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | That makes sense now (the mysql part) | May 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/13500497299 "@schestowitz I did? how do you come to that conclusion? (I try to be studiously supra-party in my comments)" @glynmoody lots of pro-Tory stuff | May 06 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/31207073#notice-31329180 "@schestowitz that's too bad, i'm not a HUGE digg fan, but the idea of voting on ads is pretty cool" | May 07 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Just wondering when Boycott Novel was re-branded " | May 07 13:07 |
| schestowitz | It's explained here: | May 07 13:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/03/29/suggestions-needed-for-name/ a lot of people seem to think it's a rename, but it's not | May 07 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ghabuntu/statuses/13545010590 "That is cool. More broadly focused. I like the idea" | May 07 14:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Ghabuntu: @schestowitz That is cool. ... .::. Size~: 7.74 KB | May 07 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I wish we did this earlier............ | May 07 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | I need a pacer for microblogs.. | May 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | >@schestowitz Duude, do you read all this stuff? It's like a never ending stream of information... "@andriusbentkus yeah, but only once in 1-2 days" | May 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " Jason Perlow is correct virtualization is a much better option THESE Days. then it was. and 1 vendor based sites suck." > @stevejberry I suppose you read his recent "switch to Linux" story | May 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20070417181027290 | May 07 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | ' | May 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | You're linking to FUD against FOSS from Maureen O'Gara... | May 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | “As discussed in our PR meeting this morning. David & I have spoken with Maureen O’Gara (based on go ahead from BrianV) and planted the story. She has agreed to not attribute the story to us…. | May 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | “[...] Inform Maureen O’ Gara (Senior Editor Client Server News/LinuxGram) or John Markoff (NYT) of announcement on Aug 28, 2000. Owner dougmil (Approval received from BrianV to proceed) | May 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | “Contact Eric Raymond, Tim O’Reilly or Bruce Perrins to solicit support for this going against the objectives of the Open Source movement. Owner: dougmil [Doug Miller]. Note that I will not be doing this. Maureen O’Gara said she was going to call them so it looks better coming from her.” | May 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | ' | May 07 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/1386279 | May 07 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | Ogara b*tch of a son | May 07 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | " @schestowitz Well, I wholeheartedly recommend Fedora or RHEL. ;)" http://identi.ca/conversation/31332090#notice-31438895 | May 08 01:56 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: go with Fedora | May 08 01:56 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/31332090#notice-31439252 | May 08 01:56 |
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| MinceR | who's deadsuperhero? | May 08 11:15 |
| schestowitz | linsux troll | May 08 11:15 |
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| MinceR | that's not a good place to get a recommendation from :> | May 08 11:17 |
| schestowitz | g2g | May 08 11:19 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/31482364 "@crispassinato Hum ho, @schestowitz is a one of the most kind, inteligent and valuable persons I've erver met online. Never hard feelings!" | May 08 13:55 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 08 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | "I most certanly love everybody who contributes to the !FSF mindset. @schestowitz is a very valuable contriubutor." | May 08 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/31358716#notice-31500912 | May 08 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Alas, but I'm more partial to OGG myself." | May 08 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know if they try to befriend to stab in the back (Linsux) | May 08 19:01 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz: Its ubuntu netbook edition not ubuntu netbook remix. In lucid they changed the name." v | May 08 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/31512084 | May 08 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | "I suggest you check out ho.io as URL shortening service, instead of that .ca thing you´re currently using... " | May 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz | the one that I use is identi.ca's default (automatically generated) | May 08 23:36 |
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| MinceR | should we get rid of the winblows trolls now or play with them some more? | May 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I just stay out of it | May 09 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Not worth feeding them | May 09 20:46 |
| schestowitz | But that's not practising censorship | May 09 20:47 |
| schestowitz | It's like merely ignoring the crank scientist who says an alien abducted him | May 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | kickbanning trolls is not practicing censorship either | May 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | they can still spew their bullshit on irc, even on this network | May 09 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Windows trolls is not abuse | May 09 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Not 100% disruptive | May 09 20:48 |
| MinceR | the margin of error is pretty low | May 09 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't want techrights to be seen as selective like Groklaw | May 09 20:48 |
| MinceR | if it's filled with noise then it will be less useful | May 09 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I think Hababa is a spectator of the flooder | May 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | could be | May 09 20:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPJP2Q6MqtE&feature=digest | May 09 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Haha | May 09 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJwRCv9g88&feature=digest | May 09 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPMizVuKcu0&NR=1 | May 09 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | it gets better | May 09 22:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-5wI_64x0&feature=digest | May 09 22:35 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i'm going to sleep soon so if you want the trolls kickbanned, tell me so now :> | May 09 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm catching up with it | May 09 22:53 |
| schestowitz | It's like reading 100 Linux lies in a one-hour span | May 09 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I've been away posting Daily Links | May 09 22:54 |
| MinceR | the question is: do we want our chat and our chat logs filled with such lies? | May 09 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Many people feed them, I just suppress | May 09 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And I won't ask people to suppress them as that would be like censorship | May 09 22:57 |
| MinceR | you could kickban them yourself :> | May 09 22:58 |
| MinceR | btw afaik /chanserv clear bans would have done this for you in one fell swoop :> | May 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Ah... | May 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I wondered about that | May 09 23:10 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 10 08:59:57 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | May 10 08:59 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | May 10 08:59 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:15 2010 | May 10 08:59 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | May 10 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | [10:06] < > hi there, I have some secret document with me, where to upload them ? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:06] < > can you help me ? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:07] < > there ? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <schestowitz> Can you mail it to me? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:17] <schestowitz> r at schestowitz com | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:18] < > sure, will you upload ? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:19] <schestowitz> Of course | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:22] < > Ok, I have mailed you at give id... these are IPR related documents between india and japan,, | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:23] < > Please upload and give me the link at | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:26] < > there ? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:31] < > Please do it ASAP,, this is something urgent. my guru is waiting , | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:31] <schestowitz> ok | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:39] <schestowitz> in a few minutes... | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:39] <schestowitz> I make a public post about it | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:39] < > we both are waiting,, we are making a news, in which we need to refecere these docuemtns. | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IPR-India-EU_trade_agreement.pdf | May 10 11:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] < > But these shuold be anonymous | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] < > these are leacked docuemnt | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IPR-India-Japan_economic_Agreement.pdf | May 10 11:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:43] <schestowitz> I won't mention where they are from | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:43] <schestowitz> Or give any clues | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:44] < > heheh.... are you sure ? | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:44] <schestowitz> Yes | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:44] <schestowitz> I won't say much at all | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:44] < > :) Thanks | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [10:56] <schestowitz> np | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [11:14] <schestowitz> Indian ‘Trade’ Agreements Leaked | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [11:14] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2010/05/10/repressed-by-intellectual-monopolies/ How #India is getting further repressed by #intellectualmonopolies | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz |  | May 10 11:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Indian Trade Agreements Leaked | Techrights .::. Size~: 85.04 KB | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | [11:15] < > great ! | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | The traffic starts | May 10 11:18 |
| MinceR | :) | May 10 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | > Re: MTAS disaster Doctor may be fired | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Doctors will this week mount a court battle for the chance to have Sir | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Liam Donaldson, the Chief Medical Officer, struck off for his role in | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > a disastrous computer system. | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Remedy UK, a campaign group representing 1,600 doctors, will use a | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > judicial review starting tomorrow to try to force the General Medical | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Council (GMC) to launch an inquiry into Donaldson's fitness to | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > practice. The case is centred on the Medical Training Application | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Service (MTAS), a centralised web-based job application system for | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > doctors, which caused chaos when it was imposed by the government in | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > 2007. | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/10/liam_donaldson_judicial_review/ | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > -- | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > | May 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Nobody ever got fired choosing Microsoft :] | May 10 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | @openuniverse it's in the wiki (re: "@schestowitz i was almost certain bn had a (cc) license/notice on it, where is that for techrights?") | May 11 15:35 |
| schestowitz | > The university of michigan has been under heavy attack from MS for a | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > while. The bullshit about the size teams of MS students helps explain | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > why Ford is also in such dire straights. I guess that's 6 teams of | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > students that will be virtually unemployable. MS proxies spammed some | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > of the non-MS lists again recently and I replied off list politely and | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > the assholes forwarded my message to the entire Windows list, which I am | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > not subscribed to. Today one of their fucking sock puppets is spamming | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > yet another list about AD (the spam topic). | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > With all the talk of cybersecurity, politicians and military need to see | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > to it that their countries are cleaned as quickly as possible of holes | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > like MS AD and replaced with secure standards like LDAP and Kerberos | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | > which AD tries to displace. | May 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ok4njJXI8 | May 11 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/DaHammerstein/statuses/13809182083 "@schestowitz My blog seems to have been working fine. davidhammerstein.com" | May 12 00:35 |
| schestowitz | @DaHammerstein what are those ~300 pr0n/other links at the top of all pages in your blog? | May 12 00:36 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Think Oracle could challenge Microsoft with Linux and push preloads of Oracle Linux + OpenOffice + GPL Java ?. -[...] @schestowitz I think it'd be great if Oracle would push Fedora..." @fcassia they will do it if there's money in it | May 12 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmpM-b-IsYY | May 12 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_windows_part3&num=1 | May 12 13:52 |
| schestowitz | > | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | >> Try asking him. | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > Look, you're a techno journalist, you have permanent access to the | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > Internet. This is a good story for your site. A good idea would be to | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > do an article on how benchmarks went out of fashion (mainly because MS | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > made them illegal) and how every so often bogus BMs like the above pop | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > up .. | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | > <sarcasm>I'm not keeping you from something important am</sarcasm> | May 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | I would have asked, but the author is a friend of mine and I don't want to put him in this position. For the same reason, as much as I hate Groklaw's defense of Apple, I don't bring up the subject with PJ. | May 12 13:53 |
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| oiaohm | God I hate Sharepoint/IIS combination. | May 12 14:27 |
| MinceR | so do i | May 12 14:33 |
| *schestowitz never used it | May 12 14:36 | |
| oiaohm | IIS does bindings. | May 12 14:37 |
| oiaohm | And so does Sharepoint | May 12 14:37 |
| oiaohm | if they don't agree nothing works right. | May 12 14:37 |
| oiaohm | If it ever find the coders behind that they are so dead. | May 12 14:37 |
| oiaohm | I would not care about jail time. | May 12 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they are somewhere in bangalore | May 12 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sends its programming to 'cheaper' worker pools | May 12 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 for example | May 12 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz yeah hp isn't always against gnu/linux but the netbook market is crucial b/c msft has worked so hard to dismantle it, so i take it personally that they wouldn't sell me one without windows. really wanted that mini. no matter, problem solved now." http://280.status.net/notice/86047 | May 12 18:49 |
| schestowitz | To hell with HP | May 12 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/86052 "@schestowitz some peop-le think all collaboration=maoism/communism/etc. http://ur1.ca/00iio just goes to show you how weak-headed people are. but s/he could have meant something else, so may not apply to this." | May 12 18:51 |
| schestowitz | It's enough to just read the first world of the article to realise it's the typical brainwash | May 12 18:51 |
| schestowitz | when I see that image of identical little troopers I just think of Windows XP users; FOSS has diversity | May 12 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Shame on Wires | May 12 18:53 |
| schestowitz | *Wired | May 12 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/31856742#notice-31973384 "@schestowitz there are many "u" in Ubuntu GNU/Linux, maybe this is not pronounceable?" @floschie4 U's. How about OOOO (Oracle OpenOfice.org)? | May 12 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | > Dear Roy Schestowitz, | May 13 01:35 |
| schestowitz | > | May 13 01:35 |
| schestowitz | > Your site has great insight on the open source side of our everyday | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > computing. | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > My name is Emily, the editor at My Dog Ate My Blog | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.guidetoonlineschools.com/blog/>. We have been blogging about | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > social issues, education, and technology for a few months now and we | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > think it is about time to start reaching out to other passionate people. | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > I would love to have our technology blogger write a guest post for | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > TechRights. If you have any topic or style guidelines for guest posts, | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > send them my way. | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | > I am looking forward to talking with you more. | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Hi Emily, | May 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | I am happy to hear from you. If you have contributions that fit topics we cover, send them along. We mostly cover software and technology freedom. | May 13 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=hgfernan&inreplyto=31997238 "@schestowitz a pleasure to help who provides so much cool and sound information for the #foss field. similarly to Chomsky for politics." | May 13 07:52 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 13 07:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/homembit/statuses/13968276097 "@schestowitz I've wrote a similar article in Portuguese regarding the "office suites" as we know them: all dead !" | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | ZDNET FUD | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Problems in OOo... | May 14 14:46 |
| schestowitz | "Re scroogle sort of, if a person using any email account sends to gmail recipient is the senders email scraped for info?" | May 14 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I thought about the fact that whenever I mail someone with a Gmail or Hotmail account I give a copy of that mail to Google and Microsoft too | May 14 14:47 |
| schestowitz | So it's justifiable to say, "I cannot reply to you until you get private mail hosting because this message is only for you" | May 14 14:47 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 14 14:51 |
| MinceR | but most people don't care about that, so they won't listen | May 14 14:52 |
| schestowitz | They take offence is that | May 14 14:52 |
| schestowitz | My sister has both hotmail and gmail (and ge.com) account | May 14 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Guess which one I mail? | May 14 14:53 |
| schestowitz | All of them have a spy | May 14 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Google as a spy worries me least | May 14 14:53 |
| schestowitz | In the past it was common for ISPs -- not SW vendors/net conglomerates -- to host people's mail. I mind these companies less | May 14 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I had a few account with ISPs before Yahoo mail, then CS/university account, then my own domains | May 14 14:55 |
| schestowitz | My Web host can't use my mails/info against me | May 14 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Imagine leaking OOXML corruption to/from a hotmail.com account, for example | May 14 14:56 |
| Ender2070 | does this channel go on the website too? | May 14 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | We discuss here issues like DDOS on the site | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Things we don't want to give away to the trolls | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes material that might offend some regulars, like Creationist folks | May 14 15:51 |
| MinceR | some regulars deserver to be offended | May 14 15:51 |
| MinceR | like that annoying muslim zealot | May 14 15:52 |
| MinceR | s/server/serve/ | May 14 15:52 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 14 15:54 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534764 | May 14 15:54 |
| MinceR | or that annoying christian creationist zealot | May 14 15:54 |
| MinceR | also, there's the mole from novell -- and i think what we paste regularly offends him :> | May 14 15:58 |
| MinceR | and occasionally the mole from m$ | May 14 15:59 |
| Ender2070 | whos the novell mole | May 14 16:00 |
| MinceR | benJIman | May 14 16:01 |
| Ender2070 | ohhh | May 14 16:01 |
| Ender2070 | yeah that guy | May 14 16:01 |
| schestowitz | [15:54] <MinceR> or that annoying christian creationist zealot | May 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Lee? | May 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | [15:58] <MinceR> also, there's the mole from novell -- and i think what we paste regularly offends him :> | May 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Benji? | May 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh, mn, you clarified later | May 14 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Once in a while he does jump in to show us how immensely smart he must be | May 14 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [14:46] <schestowitz> "Re scroogle sort of, if a person using any email account sends to gmail recipient is the senders email scraped for info?" | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | "I have answered my own question :( it motivated me to get another email account. That will halve the problem and they won't have my history" | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > Roy -- | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > Department of Homeland Security cyber security chief Richard Marshall | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > and other security luminaries will present the state of the nation’s | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > cybersecurity at (ISC)^2 ’s SecureAmericas event May 24-25^th in | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > Arlington, Virginia. | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I was there 4 years ago | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | "V" | May 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | @openuniverse re: "they really lost me at microsoft and... realnetworks?!" > where?" | May 14 19:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yes | May 14 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz that article you linked to "linux deserves more respect" "linux" was #8, msft #2 and realnetworks around 5..."http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=32215000 | May 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Ew... | May 14 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: got Nokia? | May 14 23:01 |
| schestowitz | "I got to tell you, that phone looks good. Impresive that it has 2600 mAh, I had to buy one for my g1 phone." | May 14 23:01 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32111921#notice-32234923 | May 14 23:01 |
| MinceR | yes | May 14 23:01 |
| MinceR | i've got a nokia n97 | May 14 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I have't bought a phone in over a decade | May 14 23:01 |
| schestowitz | *n't | May 14 23:01 |
| schestowitz | http://theyesmen.org/lab/goodies | May 14 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Heh | May 14 23:03 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | May 14 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | tablets I could go for | May 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | No cellphone radiation | May 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | VoIP works OK | May 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | "Potentially interesting. I was thinking they had gone vaporware on the tablets." http://identi.ca/conversation/32115413#notice-32237519 | May 14 23:28 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: wifi uses microwaves too | May 14 23:30 |
| MinceR | and most tablets probably don't have ethernet | May 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I know, but not so close to the brain | May 14 23:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hypePad has iTooons | May 14 23:31 |
| schestowitz | It's like an oversized MP3 player | May 14 23:31 |
| MinceR | maybe you want a mobile phone with a bluetooth headset? (so that the headset cord isn't used as an antenna) | May 14 23:31 |
| MinceR | i wonder if my headset adapter uses the adapter cord or the headphone cord as antennae | May 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I don't like them for other reasons | May 14 23:32 |
| MinceR | then again, bluetooth is microwave too, just at a much lower power | May 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | This evening I listened to a show I liked | May 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | they spoke about phone-related phobia | May 14 23:32 |
| MinceR | or you could use a mobile phone in speakerphone mode | May 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | People addicted to their phones and being fearful of missing calls | May 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I can't miss calls if I can't accept any | May 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | i don't miss calls because i'm so rarely called :> | May 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | but even if i did, they'd be in the log and i could call back if i wanted | May 14 23:33 |
| schestowitz | If I take a full-time crappy job, I might be forced to take a phone | May 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | or they could send me an sms message | May 14 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I have plans of avoidng/averting that | May 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | i have an extra phone now because of my job | May 14 23:33 |
| schestowitz | coding? | May 14 23:34 |
| MinceR | i'm still a software developer | May 14 23:34 |
| schestowitz | leet swdev ftw | May 14 23:34 |
| MinceR | but the arrangement is that my employer pays a phone contract in which we can call each other in the company free of charge | May 14 23:34 |
| MinceR | or something like that | May 14 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Your latest article on the patent situation covers a lot of different issues. | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "Concerning HTC, I'm not against them but based on their press release and their complaint (which was published by AllThingsD the same day), what they have looks like weak tea and unlikely to scare Apple. | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "Your article concludes with a good question: | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "What will European SMBs (the majority) have to say?" | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | The answer is simple: most won't say anything; quite a number will speak out against software patents when asked what they think of them; but in the end every one of them will just hope that it won't get hit too hard by patents (after all, there are enough other companies out there that can be targeted), so they will neither spend a significant amount of time nor money to fight against software patents. Hence, organizations | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | such as the FFII don't have the resources, neither quantitatively nor qualitatively speaking, to push for the kinds of initiatives they have in mind. | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "For a non-programmer politician, it's as unclear that software patents are bad as it is clear to a programmer that they are. But if politicians saw a massive commitment on the part of SMBs, massive enough to pay for professional help and to show a big concern, then the cause would have a chance to win. | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "My own experience with SMB entrepreneurs was extremely frustrating. I was more successful at fundraising than the FFII but at some point I had to conclude that this is a lost cause because of the unwillingness of SMBs to make real commitments. As a result, I rule out doing any patent policy-related lobbying again. I can comment on patent policy issues as I have on my blog. I can address patent issues in connection with | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | competition cases, where individual solutions can be discussed on the basis of antitrust rules. But trying to push for a law that would do away with software patents in Europe is not possible. | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "Frankly, I even came to the point where I felt that I could no longer be a credible and honest representative of SMB interests because I would have to claim to speak for an audience that never gave me nor anyone else pursuing the same objectives the kind of backing that would appear reasonable if the threat is considered a big one. I concluded that I would have to substitute my own assumption of what's good for SMBs for what | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | SMBs themselves do, given that those didn't put their money (not even any signficant amount of time) where their mouth was. Speaking on behalf of someone who actually wasn't behind me to a sufficient extent would ultimately be the way some dubious SMB representatives lobbying *for* software patents operate. | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "I also found it disgusting that many SMBs, including some who were reasonably large and profitable and gave lip service to the cause, were basically just trying to get a free ride on the patent policy lobbying done by more or less unpaid activists such as from the FFII and on the commitments made by a very few SMBs who at least spent some money, such as MySQL AB (which for lack of support from others also stopped those | May 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | efforts in late 2006, the time when I also retired from that kind of fight; and then MySQL AB got acquired by a pro-software-patent company, Sun, which in turn got acquired by Oracle, which once made by far and away the most compelling and intelligent statement against software patents any major software company ever made -- but they determined later that software patents were actually good for them). | May 15 08:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl6IHZI2Okk | May 15 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/user/philhellenes#p/f/12/M4AXOmPZ6fo | May 15 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | :-D | May 15 10:40 |
| schestowitz | This one is spot-on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ocBSP_D940 | May 15 10:48 |
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| MinceR | i wonder what made our novell mole shriek | May 15 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | May 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he knows Rust | May 15 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32155139#notice-32332785 "It'd have been even better w/ !QEMU instead of #VirtualBox: much lighter, can run from batch files, instead of bloated GUI..." | May 15 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | This one is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aPOMUTr1qw | May 16 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | > On May 16, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Chris, | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > I couldn't find contacts for lockergnome. | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > This page contains libel about me | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/NEWS-Roy-Schestowitz-arrest-record-Arrested-molesting-childr--ftopict489972.html | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > (contains fake URL) and appears at page 1 for a google on me. Could you | May 16 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | > please remove the page? | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Chris Pirillo: | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > I'll forward to the admin for removal. :) | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > Chris | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Thank you Chris | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | USENET crooks | May 16 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Spreading libel via honeypots | May 16 17:58 |
| schestowitz | The sin of advocating freedom.... this is the libel one gets... | May 16 17:58 |
| MinceR | do we have to propagate creationist lies like this? | May 16 20:15 |
| MinceR | 202635 -BNtwitter:#boycottnovell- [omar_s_hafez] "To suppose, that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances could have been formed by natural selection, (cont) http://tl.gd/1b1o4p | May 16 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | May 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | entertainment is good too | May 16 20:32 |
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| MinceR | the entertainment any given idiot can provide is fleeting | May 16 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Nice talks here: http://gnu.mirrors.typhon.net/philosophy/audio/audio.html | May 16 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: his arguments are feeble | May 16 21:41 |
| schestowitz | When we argue he gives the opportunity to show their intellectual weakness | May 16 21:42 |
| MinceR | it's just noise | May 16 21:52 |
| MinceR | obstructs our real message and topics | May 16 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I suppose so | May 16 22:37 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | May 16 23:07 |
| MinceR | hay | May 16 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulm1_ZU8p3U&feature=digest | May 17 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | Draw Muhammad Day is coming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ok4njJXI8 | May 17 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | "i wonder how far this exploitation of the south will go... msft is tied in with right-wing tobacco lobbyists, maybe sarah palin will endorse... next version of vista replaces shiny clock applet with stuffed moose head?" http://identi.ca/conversation/32363500#notice-32534642 | May 17 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | "maybe they just want to know what you're saying about them" @jospoortvliet yes, but SCO, for example, is always hiding when it reads Groklaw (if not blocking the site) http://identi.ca/conversation/32403853#notice-32537871 | May 17 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/32411628#notice-32539077 "@schestowitz Yes but Novell is big. as google and MS parts are worse than others. I would even give some parts the benefit of doubt." | May 17 16:42 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 18 10:50:16 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | May 18 10:50 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | May 18 10:50 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | May 18 10:50 | |
| oiaohm | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/5/18/6 Nice opps | May 18 11:18 |
| oiaohm | http://www.animesenshi.com/windows-7-madobe-nanami-commercial/ Ok yep wrong. | May 18 11:22 |
| *schestowitz looks | May 18 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | What's with the Greg ref.? | May 18 11:59 |
| schestowitz | I only took a cursory look | May 18 11:59 |
| oiaohm | He missed a message to merge a bit. schestowitz | May 18 12:02 |
| oiaohm | A kinda important bit removal of BKL parts that effect performance of Linux. | May 18 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Opps sorry schestowitz to me a mistake like that means something. To you it most likely means nothing. | May 18 12:04 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't reading it carefully | May 18 12:46 |
| schestowitz | I didn't think there was much of a story there | May 18 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Greg is not so much a Novell employee, more of a kernel employee | May 18 12:46 |
| oiaohm | There is not much of a story there. | May 18 12:50 |
| oiaohm | As I said it means something to me. Ie I track performance altering patches in the works. | May 18 12:51 |
| schestowitz | >>> There's a quote in comes about MS don't license other peoples patents .. | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | >> | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | >> Thanks. Could you find it? | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > I can't, it was a long tome ago and I don't have the equipment .. | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > It was IIRC in an exchange about MS offering to buy outright a | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > application, and the owners wanting to license it to MS. MS explained | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > that they licensed to other people - not the other way round. | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I posted something about it yesterday and made a comment about this change in attitude. | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | // | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Greg's work on hyper-v patches is interesting | May 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | That's where he does his obligations to Novell (and Microsoft) | May 18 13:18 |
| schestowitz | The rest is banal drivers work | May 18 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Really Greg refuses to work on hyper-v stuff | May 18 13:19 |
| schestowitz | But he has to | May 18 13:19 |
| oiaohm | More demards MS paid developers submit the patches. | May 18 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Nop | May 18 13:19 |
| oiaohm | His contract is only to provide advice to MS staff not to do their work. | May 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Reason why he threated to delete hyper-v completely. | May 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | He does not have to make it current kernel compadible. | May 18 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Basically Greg does not like hyper-v | May 18 13:21 |
| oiaohm | MS had the idea that Greg would have to support the stuff and not have the big delete it completely button still on his side. | May 18 13:22 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought he was paid to like it | May 18 13:24 |
| oiaohm | If MS does not submit a patch every 3 months Greg has been threating to delete hyper-v | May 18 13:25 |
| oiaohm | And at one point he did. | May 18 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Some people are not buyable. | May 18 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Greg has always been a tough bit of work. | May 18 13:26 |
| MinceR | :) | May 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Same with Android | May 18 13:29 |
| schestowitz | I think he had something to do with kicking them out | May 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | > Yea, it would be good to post the actual quote. I thought you had a good memory. | May 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | ^^^ can't find that quote from Microsoft | May 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Just asked a friend from London | May 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "I'm going to f---ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f---ing kill Google." -Greg's boss :-) | May 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | cya later, I'm off to the gym | May 18 13:31 |
| MinceR | o/ | May 18 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes Greg is tough. | May 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Google found that out as well. | May 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | You don't maintain your drivers he will not have anything to do with them. | May 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | You maintain them he will render assistance. | May 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Tough but fair. | May 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Note he offered to work directly with google over android patches. | May 18 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Where with MS ones he just deleted them from tree. | May 18 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Until they provided new patches. | May 18 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Maybe you already did, but you could give #quitfacebook day some publicity? May 31st http://www.quitfacebookday.com #facebook" | May 19 09:25 |
| schestowitz | @e2jk I deleted my account and will pass info near the date | May 19 09:25 |
| schestowitz | stinkin' facebook | May 19 09:25 |
| MinceR | nice | May 19 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I remember who dragged me there | May 19 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Muhammad Saleem | May 19 09:32 |
| schestowitz | 2006/7 | May 19 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > Since it's not FOSS-related (I think Salesforce uses mostly proprietary | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > software such as Oracle), I don't want to comment on it in public, but | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > just a quick thing. I saw Carlo Piana wrote the following to Glyn Moody | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > on Twitter: | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > *carlopiana <http://twitter.com/carlopiana>* | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > @glynmoody <http://twitter.com/glynmoody> I bet Salesforge will join OIN | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > if not already a licensee. BTW, seems more a cross licensing strategy | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > (but trolling not excluded) | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > The allies of IBM/Oracle/Red Hat always try to promote the OIN and they | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > try to make it sound as if the OIN did any good. So far there's no | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > evidence it played any role in the TomTom settlement. If it worked, then | May 19 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > Amazon and HTC, who pay for the FAT patents and some other Microsoft | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > patents, could have joined it as well. Also, if the patents infringed by | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > Salesforce relate to proprietary software, the OIN wouldn't even be able | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > to help them within its rules, which are tied to patent infringement by | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > open source software. | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > I believe the DPL could become a much better vehicle because a license | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > per se can't be controlled by any company or group of companies. | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > But again, the long-standing allies of IBM/Oracle/Red Hat would rather | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > advocate something that gives those companies maximum control for their | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > commercial purposes. Those purposes aren't anti-patent or pro-FOSS, | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > they're just self-serving. | May 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | You can guess who wrote that | May 19 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | "I don't usually RT @schestowitz as he can be quite inflammatory. But in this case I think he is bang on. But, the problem is systemic USA" http://twitter.com/normnz/status/14283278743 | May 19 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Me? inflammatory? Meh. | May 19 14:48 |
| MinceR | yes -- m$ slaves can be really offended by the truth ;) | May 19 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I suppose I could try harder to avoid strong words | May 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | But it's not words that are the 'problem' | May 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | If I just say, "this Microsoft employee, he's trouble" (gentler than this), then I'm already evil and meanie | May 19 15:51 |
| schestowitz | It's like people who criticise Islam and other things... the whole political correctness | May 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | We must all love everyone and never speak out minds or state the obvious | May 19 15:52 |
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| MinceR | what was the last line from me that got through? | May 19 16:06 |
| MinceR | (if any in this hour) | May 19 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | [15:49] <MinceR> yes -- m$ slaves can be really offended by the truth ;) | May 19 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Fin. | May 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | 164517 < MinceR> that's what cultists are like | May 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | 164543 < MinceR> also, you forgot the part where they don't have to love anyone and allow themselves to speak freely | May 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | 164606 < MinceR> just like a particular religious zealot on the other channel :> | May 19 16:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363829,00.asp "There will certainly be markets that aren't cost sensitive or have loyal fans like the Apple-centric folks. So, Apple devices will likely have a place because people will buy it for the logo." | May 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/05/17/microbite_may_2010/ " | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | They have genuine human beings pronouncing the word "natal" as "nat-arl" there isn't a fucking R in the word natal. | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | *and relax* | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Boosters podcast | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | They have genuine human beings pronouncing the word "natal" as "nat-arl" there isn't a fucking R in the word natal. | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | *and relax* | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | "We also explore Redmond's relationship with HP. Hewlett-Packard is Microsoft's staunchest ally on Windows, but it just bought a Linux mobile operating system - webOS - after Microsoft cut HP from the shortlist of people it wants building phones on Windows Phone 7. How long is it before HP starts putting webOS on tablets and netbooks that would otherwise have used Windows?" | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | OP http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/microbite_may_2010/ | May 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | FM has no stake in NSP anymore. He is just a private blogger. Years ago | May 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | he handed over NSP to the FFII. | May 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Florian..... | May 19 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon "Judas" in the main channel is one of my stalkers | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Should I say anything? What do you reckon? | May 20 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Strange he puts Phd after name. | May 20 00:52 |
| oiaohm | I would almost tempted to ask him doc of what. | May 20 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | One of the stalker did that too | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz | So it's probably him | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz | *kers | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz | He's in some other channels. http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=judas_phd&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | May 20 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Only in recent months | May 20 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. Etherpad is quite cool. | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Take a look: | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <zoobab> hi | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <zoobab> can you come here: | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <zoobab> http://etherpad.eurolinux.org/PR20100520 | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <zoobab> we need a native english speaker to tell us if the title is OK | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:38] <zoobab> Andre says we can remove the "a" in a carrot and a stick | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:41] <schestowitz> remove the a | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:41] <schestowitz> it sounds sexual otherwise | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz |  | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] <zoobab> put your name on Etherpad participants | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] <schestowitz> i removed the "a" | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:42] <schestowitz> I did | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Watch how it work... I never saw that before | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | This is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bql0cpVHbA | May 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2010/05/19/nosoftwarepatents-and-ffii-re-vp8/ | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for reporting and I retweeted the link. Just to avoid a | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > misunderstanding, I can't speak on behalf of the NoSoftwarePatents | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > campaign because I transferred it to the FFII in 2005. In my comments | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > I point out that I founded the campaign and that's of course a | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > "historical" fact that can never change. I also want to point out | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > that my views on the (un)desirability of software patents haven't | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > changed, but formally it's been an FFII campaign for years (they | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > didn't do anything with it in recent years other than keeping the | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > website online, but still). | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > I have no intention to mislead people on that. I will probably add | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > to future statements, between "founder" and "of the | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > NoSoftwarePatents campaign", the words "and former director" to avoid | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > this kind of misundertanding. | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Cris has his FUD up: | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - begin quote - | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > He also pointed out some basic flaws in Linux when running as a | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > desktop operating system | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > Funny Thing About Software | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > ... it turns out to be <i>less</i> flexible than hardware | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - Intel Core 11 Duo has very little to do with a <strong>386SX</strong> | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - Windows still supports APIs from the early 1990s | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > The value of Windows is the rich application base backward compatibility | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - Many of these applications are actually dependent on legacy Windows bugs | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > Don't get to change the Windows architecture :( | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > Some Problems In the Linux Architecture | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > * The UNIX/Linux process model is mostly sound | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - At least has two levels of privilege | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > * Except for ptrace | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - Complex semantics, often broken | May 20 12:30 |
| schestowitz | > - Allows any process to debug any other process owned by the same user | May 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | > * E.g. all of root, or all of your desktop | May 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | > - Saving grace: ptrace only really used for debuging, so you can block | May 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | > * AppArmor and SELinux do block it | May 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.zdnet.com.au/auscert-2010-kicks-off-photos-339303207.htm?omnRef=http%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2F%3Fstories | May 20 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true on ptrace. Depends on the Linux kernel some cases ptracing program must be run before it target. | May 20 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Or target cannot be debuged. | May 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Good talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1m4mATYoig | May 20 12:58 |
| schestowitz | >> Andre mailed me to say this too. < | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | > Glad to hear he sometimes does productive things ;-)) | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | > | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | > No, seriously, the key thing is that I don't want to mislead but those rapid | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | > response messages related to breaking news are always done and read in a | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | > hurry. | May 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | OK, done :-) | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | <zoobab> Nellie Kroes' Digital Agenda is 'carrot without stick' | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [10:59] <zoobab> OR | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [10:59] <zoobab> Nellie Kroes' Digital Agenda is 'carrot without a stick' | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [10:59] <schestowitz> "a stick" makes me think of Neelie with a vibrator | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [10:59] <schestowitz> So I'd avoid making it look like a particular stick and use the idiom alone | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:00] <schestowitz> It would be useless if the PR insults her | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:00] <zoobab> ok | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <zoobab> we do not insult her, we just insult the lobby groups | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <zoobab> we want the names | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <schestowitz> SAP, ACT, etc. | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <zoobab> maybe you can help with that? | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <zoobab> Write her an open letter? | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <zoobab> With a form | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] <schestowitz> I don't think they read those | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <zoobab> Please fill in here the names of the lobby groups, their way of communication, date and time: | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <zoobab> 1. ..... | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <zoobab> 2. ..... | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <schestowitz> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100519144736798 | May 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <zoobab> 3. ..... | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <schestowitz> http://www.laquadrature.net/en/eu-commission-will-neelie-kroess-digital-agenda-endanger-freedoms | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:02] <schestowitz> I was going to just mention my confrontation with Lars at the commission | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:03] <schestowitz> He defended/harboured the lobbyists | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:03] <schestowitz> So I filed complaint about him | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz |  | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:04] <zoobab> Lars? | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:04] <zoobab> abotu the ACT scandal? | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:05] <schestowitz> Yes | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:05] <schestowitz> Separate thing | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:05] <zoobab> haha | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:05] <zoobab> Ombudsman | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2010/05/20/neelie-kroes-and-lobbyists/ | May 20 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs | May 21 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | > A court isn't susceptible to "lobbying". You can't just phone the judges | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > and make an appointment to tell your views the way you can do with | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > politicians. | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > One way to influence software patentability in Europe is through court | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > cases where one tries to push the envelope again and again. IBM did that | May 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > over the decades. Microsoft did some of it but IBM did a lot more and | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > achieved some landmark rulings, at the level of the EPO's boards of | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > appeal as well as the German national court system all the way up to the | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > Federal Court of Justice. The reason may simply be that IBM was a big | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > swpat player a long time before Microsoft viewed that as a strategically | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > important thing to pursue. I'm not defending Microsoft's intentions but | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > IBM's role is clearly a more significant one. The FFII could tell you | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > about IBM's former long-time chief European patent attorney Fritz Teufel | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > and all the EPO and German court cases where he fought for swpats... | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > Also, concerning Jan Wildeboer's criticism, Red Hat actually lobbied to | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > keep the EU swpat directive alive in 2005 and teams up with IBM on all | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > sorts of activities that are meant to lull the community into a false | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > sense of security. They were a very small supporter in terms of | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > contributions to NoSoftwarePatents.com. MySQL, even though a much | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > smaller company, spent several times more money on it, and also 1&1 | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > Internet, which was very big already then but since they're a web hoster | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > and not a software publisher, their commitment was very strong. | May 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/21/mpegla_mulls_patent_license_for_webm/ | May 21 21:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google open video codec may face patent clash • The Register .::. Size~: 31.33 KB | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > I'm glad they also quoted the fact that I do applaud Google for | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > open-sourcing the codec but want more assurances. That's balanced and | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > true. I just I don't think it's fair to shift the patent risk to an | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > entire community. Most people focus a little more on the warnings than | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | > the pro-open-source part, which is understandable but an incomplete picture. | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Re: TheReg quotes me on codecs again | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | F.M. | May 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://opensource.com/life/10/5/facebook-privacy-saga-continues | May 21 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | [08:32] --> Richard_Stallman has joined this channel (~rms@76.76.115.75). | May 22 08:40 |
| schestowitz | [08:33] <Richard_Stallman> Free software implies: Free as in free speech, not free as in free beer. | May 22 08:40 |
| schestowitz | [08:34] <sweetandy> I'm so glad that the real Richard Stallman has shown up | May 22 08:40 |
| schestowitz | [08:34] <sweetandy> Since he uses the Internet as we do in forms such as IRC | May 22 08:40 |
| schestowitz | From #gnu | May 22 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Fake? | May 22 08:40 |
| schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz> RMS is in the position where even if he shows up, people don't believe it's him | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz |  | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <sweetandy> Hmm | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <sweetandy> No beard, no Stallman. | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <sweetandy> See it to believe it, eh? | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <jxself> It's not him. Do a /whois and compare RMS's current schedule with where the connection is originating from. | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <so_solid_moo> rms usually ircs from the same gnu server anyway | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <sweetandy> that's not too difficult to forge, though | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:42] <sweetandy> Hmm | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <sweetandy> dot dot dot | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <so_solid_moo> except that "usually ircs" isn't really accurate | May 22 08:43 |
| schestowitz |  | May 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <sweetandy> double you double you double you dot bee arr bee dot com | May 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <Richard_Stallman> jxself: You're incorrect. | May 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <so_solid_moo> also, that's not rms' nick | May 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz | [08:44] <dominiks> schestowitz, lol that's true :) | May 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz | We need a "rms is my homeboy" tshirt, like "knuth of my homeboy" | May 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Fake | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:46] <so_solid_moo> it's not really true; it's easy to verify someone on irc is actually rms. | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz |  | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:49] <AimHere> Heh, "* Received a CTCP VERSION from Richard_Stallman (to #gnu)". Is he whoising everyone to make sure they're using Free Software to access IRC? | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <so_solid_moo> no, he's just being antisocial | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <Richard_Stallman> I feel quite un-welcome in this GNU community on IRC. What a dissapointment. | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <AimHere> There's a fakestallman in here every week | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:50] <so_solid_moo> Richard_Stallman: try coming back without impersonating someone | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <AimHere> For added trollpower, I'd do something funnier, like impersonate a drunk Eric Raymond coming in here to challenge Stallman to a duel or something. | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:51] <Richard_Stallman> Please continue to ensure you all continue to run free software, and ever except software which does not respect your freedom. Such programs are a violation to society and your software rights. | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:52] <Richard_Stallman> AimHere: You are a disgrace to the free software community, including GNU. Kill yourself. | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:52] <Richard_Stallman> As is so_solid_moo. | May 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [08:53] * Richard_Stallman flips everyone off | May 22 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy | May 22 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > | May 22 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > I am contacting you on behalf of Manchester Free Software (MFS) | May 22 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > <http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Manchester>. We are a Manchester centred | May 22 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | > group promoting the Free Software philosophy. I discovered you via a | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > 'Pingback' on our blog, I think you had twitter'd about my "100% free | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > software gaming: No cheating!" talk. This led me to your identi.ca page | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/schestowitz> where I saw that you were really into | May 22 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | > free software. | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > We are always interested in hearing from people with a passion for Free | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > Software. We would like you to be the Speaker at one of our monthly | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > talks. The tag line for what we want is: "Inspirational free software | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > talks". | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > The talks start at 7pm and last 1 to 1.5 hours with questions. Would | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > you be able to give a talk on 15th June or 20th July? If not, then we | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > have slots later in the year. | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > We provide a projector and, with your permission, will video the talk | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > and redistribute it under a Creative Commons licence. | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > We look forward to hearing from you. | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Mike, | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | I would love to speak and I was asked last year as well. I think an easy talk for me to put together is using only Free software in an academic environment. | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | .... | May 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | "Re: Invitation for Dr. Roy Schestowitz to speak to Manchester Free Software" | May 22 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Twitter needs threading...... | May 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Sure, having installed 200k plugins instead of 100k must be more fun :>" | May 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | No idea what he's talking about.... | May 22 18:10 |
| schestowitz | For reasons I don't understand, the ACCESS troll is back to harassing me and he lumps others (some in BN included) into it. Just in case, don't response to him, it only encourages him. | May 22 18:43 |
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| MinceR | kickban with extreme prejudice. | May 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | He trolls in Twitter | May 22 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Others too | May 22 23:10 |
| MinceR | oh. | May 22 23:11 |
| schestowitz | see the Astralknight smear | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I never even spoke to him/her, so it's probably fake (the stuff in your blog... from live.com account). | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | They 'plant' some fakes, then link to it | May 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Trying to connect me to trolls | May 22 23:39 |
| MinceR | i don't have a blog :> | May 22 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | You're a sharp writer | May 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | You could name your blog Mincer Lighbringer, tagline "die in a fire, biatch" (picture of fiery light sabre) | May 23 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Do you want a blog in techrights? (as subsite) | May 23 00:07 |
| schestowitz | "that's one juicy post there! i especially like the "analysts sell out- that's their business model" quote from msft :)" | May 23 06:36 |
| schestowitz | asus.... "so you don't blame them? i'm still content to let asus die with microsoft- i'll listen to anything you have to say about it though, i'm sure it will be interesting" | May 23 06:37 |
| MinceR | i don't have the time to write a blog | May 23 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Telepathically....... | May 23 11:15 |
| oiaohm | To be correct likes to be treated a her schestowitz. http://www.mayaposch.com/autobiography.php Yes confusing person to say the least. | May 23 20:07 |
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| oiaohm | Person been on line for many years. schestowitz | May 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | \[Another not so nice thing is that I suffer from severe PTSD due to getting raped by a 'friend' in 2006, compounded by sexual assault early 2008 by another guy, a complete lack of treatment for it, many other bad experiences, resulting in me having developed an instinctive hatred against anything related to sexuality and relationships, especially those involving a guy and girl. \ | May 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, none of my business | May 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, I wondered if someone related to MPEG tried to promote it by force inside Mozilla | May 23 20:10 |
| oiaohm | Not that. Just a normal bystander caught up in the mess schestowitz | May 23 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know rare. schestowitz | May 23 20:14 |
| oiaohm | But I do see that maya might end up exploited by some of those people who what to promote gstreamer and the like inside Mozilla | May 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | flueundo? | May 23 20:20 |
| schestowitz | *eund | May 23 20:20 |
| schestowitz | no u | May 23 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 23 20:20 |
| oiaohm | And others. | May 23 20:20 |
| schestowitz | i sent the acacia url to pj this morning, I'm glad she made sense of it | May 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Seems like Microsoft pays them a lot | May 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/17/urinating-uses-up-14.html | May 23 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | "5 words: "cafepress." i'm not sure what they charge. you think you could get away with that steves joballmers image?" | May 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Would anyone buy merchandise though? I doubt it | May 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-buys-travel-site-ruba-for-igoogle/ | May 24 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | [22:27] <arebenti> hi rui | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [22:33] <schestowitz> o/ | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [22:34] <arebenti> o/\o ? | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [22:50] <[Rui]> hi all! | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz |  | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [23:49] <arebenti> HI !! | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [23:50] <arebenti> Just got some feeback of Lassi on the http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IPR-India-EU_trade_agreement.pdf | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [23:50] <arebenti> related blog post | May 25 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | [23:50] <arebenti> outragerous document | May 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [00:31] <schestowitz> :-) | May 25 00:31 |
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| MinceR | why do we let this retard pollute a channel about free software and freedom again? | May 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | You're right.. | May 25 17:46 |
| schestowitz | There. Done. | May 25 17:47 |
| MinceR | we could at least have #boycottnovell-religion or #techrights-religion | May 25 18:21 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 25 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Hahahaha | May 25 18:25 |
| MinceR | i'm afraid we're dealing with someone who didn't receive the formal education in science we take for granted | May 25 18:30 |
| schestowitz | :- | May 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | He wasn't really away | May 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | He just got angry, threw a fit, and sought backup | May 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | who's the backup? | May 25 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe creationist ammo sites | May 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | but those are christian infidels! | May 25 18:43 |
| MinceR | it's demeaning to belong to the same species as garbage like this | May 25 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 25 19:12 |
| schestowitz | He is cornered within his own mind | May 25 19:12 |
| MinceR | if it merits being called a "mind" | May 25 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Indocrinated | May 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | You don't know what it's like living there | May 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | You CAN'T not believe | May 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | You risk being separated from society or killed | May 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | So you live in denial | May 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Or in a lie, which feels worse | May 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | that doesn't give him the right to be condescending and patronizing to people who actually have a clue | May 25 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/108709 "it reminds me of the scene in alan partridge where he puns "the queen is dead!" and then has to issue a retraction. then again it certainly appears i'm having a very zdnet kind of day myself. could be worse." | May 26 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjO4duhMRZk | May 26 17:05 |
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| MinceR | first idea upon seeing the title: "aggressive atheism" == "no god exists, and if they do, i'll kill them!" :> | May 26 17:05 |
| MinceR | i like this video | May 26 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I've just begun watching his channel a bit | May 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | He's a little extreme, IMHO | May 26 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | To whom it may concern, | May 27 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I have just come across the opening advertised in http://www.fsf.org/news/job-opening-fsf-campaigns-manager - an opening which perfectly meets my skills, desires, and current activities. I am attaching my CV to this E-mail. I am living in Manchester and willing to relocate happily. | May 27 00:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Job Opening: FSF Campaigns Manager — Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 26.12 KB | May 27 00:30 |
| schestowitz | /////// quote | May 27 00:30 |
| schestowitz | opening for Campaigns Manager at the FSF :-) | May 27 00:30 |
| schestowitz | > I've been enjoying the flurry of recent posts you have put up, mostly by RSS | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > over the last few weeks. The RSS feed is great because it has everything but | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > comments. I miss the comments but don't have time for them while I'm busy | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > moving my family to [...] where I have another nice Medical Physics | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > job. | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, I moved here just in time to watch BP ruin the coast. I have not had | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > time to see this for myself, but the news is filled with horrible pictures of | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > my home state of Louisiana slathered with the nastiest of goop. I can't see | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > how anything can survive the inches of crude and tar that's hit the LA coast. | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > RMS is right to worry about extinctions. I'll get to see some of it first | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > hand in a few weeks when my family goes on a beach trip that was planned | May 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | > months ago. | May 27 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33543498#notice-33721156 "'cause it's not bad enough that they'll eventually sell you a license for the right to look at them!" open enquiry would scold you here | May 27 07:28 |
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| schestowitz | Good news from Finland | May 27 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Schools there run Linux | May 27 09:47 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Open+source+code+software+saves+schools+money+on+licence+fees/1135257095156 | May 27 09:47 |
| schestowitz | >> | May 27 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | > | May 27 09:47 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, there are a lot of schools that have ditched Windows, some a very | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > long time ago. However, Microsoft *is* a mafia, to assess by their | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > methods and their proxies come down in droves against any institution | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > that does so visibly. The Microsofters tend to use insiders and tend to | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > go after specific individuals. | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > The stranglehold is now on the polytechnics and low-end universities | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > where students interested in IT are screened out to leave instead only | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > those willing to snuggle up to Bill. There are then some token optional | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > 'linux' classes allowed at the end of the degree, after the MS | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > commitment is established. Those don't usually actually use non-MS | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > tools in any way, just talk about them. FWIW *all* non-MS products and | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > technologies are referred to by that crowd as 'linux'. | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > Heads up: I notice here in Finland that the KDE aKademy will be in | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > Tampere (aka Tammerfors) again. However, in the last few weeks, | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft Partner Ixonos has become a sponsor and probably try to taint | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > the conference and its participants. | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > I was accidentally at one of their seminars and the messages conveyed | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > there were the same as you have heard for years from Microsoft Partners. | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > The difference is that they now call what they are saying 'open | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > source' I suppose that is a tribute to the success of OSI, but now it | May 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > is high time for OSI to take the next step. | May 27 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Really schestowitz openoffice is getting ready for the next step. | May 27 10:25 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice battled hard to get standard in place. Now they have it now its all about the interface and features. | May 27 10:25 |
| oiaohm | You can see that happening with a lot of open source projects. | May 27 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's doing well | May 27 11:58 |
| schestowitz | OOo issued a press release last week | May 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | The release stated that many migrations to OOo continue, more so than to Google Apps | May 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Office numbers went down (6% IIRC) in Microsoft's latest report | May 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | That's compared to a HUGE recessionary period (q1 of 2009)! | May 27 11:59 |
| oiaohm | OOo is also starting to be taken up in other ways. | May 27 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Phones | May 27 12:00 |
| schestowitz | That and other suites | May 27 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Nokia->koffice | May 27 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Some use abiword base | May 27 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Google's needs connectivity persistently | May 27 12:00 |
| oiaohm | alfresco uses OOo for document conversion. | May 27 12:00 |
| oiaohm | So its not pure client side. | May 27 12:01 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know that, sounds reasonable | May 27 12:01 |
| schestowitz | OOo/Sun also made PDF engines | May 27 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Openoffice is designed to be run as a service | May 27 12:02 |
| oiaohm | If you want. | May 27 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Also with full command line control. | May 27 12:03 |
| oiaohm | These are features most people are not aware of. | May 27 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically the graphical side is only half what openoffice is schestowitz | May 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know either | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I once designed a computer games that way | May 27 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Both ASCII mode and OpenGL mode | May 27 12:08 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Network_Objects << The section of tech that makes Openoffice multi state possiable. | May 27 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33642148#notice-33793770 "please not #CUDA; it will not work with nv or nouveau drivers. #nvidia's vendor lock-in! people should use #opencl instead" | May 27 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | "iirc, ibm pc dos was originally ibm licensing msdos from ms, where msdos was based on relicensed/refactored qdos, in turn a lite cp/m. msav was relicensed central point av" http://identi.ca/conversation/33638152#notice-33800588 | May 27 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33661404#notice-33813387 "@schestowitz yeah, well I am no Intel lover myself, but I always thought your dents were quite unbiased..." | May 27 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. I was limited also by number of chars (many URLs appended) | May 27 22:16 |
| schestowitz | The lunnatic is attacking the FSF again | May 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | From the Boyoctt-BN Web site | May 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Basically, remember how they found iPhone infringing (GPL)? | May 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Now Mr. I-have-an-HypePhone-but-work-at-ACCESS attacks the FSF | May 27 22:24 |
| MinceR | what else could he have? nobody buys OSes from ACCESS anymore :> | May 27 22:27 |
| MinceR | so there's nothing to run it on | May 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why they bother coding | May 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It's like watching OpenMoko go at it | May 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | He has a dildo shop as fallback | May 27 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | This guy is hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5JtxrR6msg | May 28 09:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- God the psycho .::. Size~: 93.11 KB | May 28 09:10 |
| schestowitz | "Don't forget that the #quitfacebook day is coming: Monday, May 31st 2010 http://www.quitfacebookday.com #facebook"http://identi.ca/conversation/32635985#notice-33859723 | May 28 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXdwcIWIB_o | May 28 09:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Hook, line and rapture .::. Size~: 96.67 KB | May 28 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Jobs of the Future | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > Occupations with the largest percentage growth expected through 2018: | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Biomedical Engineers 72% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Network Systems Analysts 53% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Home Health Aides 50% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Personal, Home-Care Aides 46% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Financial Examiners 41% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Medical Scientists 40% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Physician Assistants 39% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Skin-Care Specialists 38% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Biochemists, Biophysicists 37% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > . Athletic Trainers 37% | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > It's nice to know you have a doctorate in the number 1 growth position. | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | I wanna be an activist though | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Most fulfilling thing EVA | May 28 15:04 |
| schestowitz | > I suggest using the title, | May 28 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > impresses bank managers and landlords no end, although you do get people | May 28 15:11 |
| schestowitz | > wanting you to look at their dodgy knees............ | May 28 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y | May 28 16:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- God bless atheism .::. Size~: 92.65 KB | May 28 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg | May 29 01:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- United States of Jesus .::. Size~: 93.95 KB | May 29 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zqbz563pNQ | May 29 01:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Hello America .::. Size~: 98.41 KB | May 29 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/113220 "i wish i'd known you when i put together the anti-apple image i ever made- i'll just do it again based on the new logo (i used the old "rainbow" apple) and you can use it for anything you want" | May 29 08:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 29-May-10 03:12:17 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.98 KB | May 29 08:13 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/113338 "i agree with your conclusion, but not your premise. i don't think fry ever "carried" a torch for gnu, just held it for a moment and passed it on to the next guy" | May 29 08:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 29-May-10 06:03:20 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.96 KB | May 29 08:14 |
| oiaohm | Be very careful apple is not past using trademark infringement against anti apple logos. schestowitz | May 29 08:14 |
| schestowitz | I know | May 29 08:56 |
| schestowitz | I try hard to find free graphics about them | May 29 08:56 |
| schestowitz | It's also good to criticise Apple for other reasons | May 29 08:56 |
| schestowitz | E.g. not to be type-cast as "anti-Microsoft" | May 29 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Rather, "anti-proprietary software" | May 29 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Behaviour, not companies | May 29 08:57 |
| oiaohm | Simplest solution is just use a picture of a standard apple with a knife in it. | May 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | No knives :-) | May 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | That would be too crass | May 29 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Standard apple sliced? | May 29 09:32 |
| oiaohm | I am trying to avoid the ugly a rotting apple. | May 29 09:33 |
| schestowitz | I did those before, many times | May 29 09:41 |
| schestowitz | But Apple is not what represent them | May 29 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Apple=health | May 29 09:41 |
| schestowitz | We need something else | May 29 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Candy apple. | May 29 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Hmm fake apples. Cermic apple broken? schestowitz | May 29 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Warped would be the half green half red apple as what is normally in snow white. | May 29 10:00 |
| schestowitz | I have those | May 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | My last post about WebKit got tons of views | May 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | It was popular in Twitter and Identica | May 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | It's the one where there are speech bubbles over Apple HQ | May 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | It went kind of viral | May 29 10:18 |
| schestowitz | "On the subject of industry figures I may have a suggestion to make, need to have a think, see if worthwhile and you are not already doing it" | May 29 11:20 |
| schestowitz | http://photofind.com/featured-photo/20-uncomfortable-moments-in-sports | May 29 11:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 20 Uncomfortable Moments in Sports | PhotoFind.com - can't read? have fun anyway! .::. Size~: 61.08 KB | May 29 11:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/311523:meego-bug-jar-201021 | May 29 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Weird. | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Stranger asks for favours with IRC PM...... | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <Arvis> Hey@ | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <Arvis> ! | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <Arvis> could you help me out please? It's very quick | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <schestowitz> OK | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz |  | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <Arvis> thanks mate | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <Arvis> http://217.149.58.248/campaign/fun-and-games-apps?user=Arvis vote for first 2 apps here please | May 29 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <Arvis> you did vote? | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <Arvis> :o | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <schestowitz> Yes, but do we know each other? | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <schestowitz> Or are you just PMing strangers like this? | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <Arvis> hmm thanks alot. Well we don't I'm very new to IRC | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <schestowitz> You shouldn't be doing this | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> I'm kind of doing second thing. But you know you cant win unfair game by playing fair | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> I know | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> you're right | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <schestowitz> Come and join us | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> but as i said | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> you cant win unfair game by playing fair | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> tell me it isn't true | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <schestowitz> /join #botcottnovell | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <Arvis> its empty chan | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <schestowitz> oops | May 29 11:46 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <schestowitz> /join #boycottnovell | May 29 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Worrying | May 29 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Look at the address | May 29 11:51 |
| schestowitz | I know | May 29 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Notice its not a correct url. | May 29 11:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: tango-248.srv.hosting.fi | May 29 11:52 |
| schestowitz | That's Finland, i.e. Nokia | May 29 11:52 |
| oiaohm | wrong hosting. | May 29 11:54 |
| oiaohm | 3.243.147.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns4.nokia.com Nokia has there own name servers. | May 29 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Even in Finland | May 29 11:55 |
| oiaohm | There is a problem its off. | May 29 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, fishy from the start | May 29 11:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002747.html | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | " | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Hey guys, | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Just an FYI, but this is just a troll-attempt by the BoycottNovell trolls: | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/meego-dot-net/ | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | "<oiaohm> Posted question to meego developers over mono. schestowitz" | May 29 12:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MeeGo is Hijacked by the Mono Team | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.41 KB | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Probably explains the other Mono hostility that suddenly appeared on the | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | list yesterday as well. | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Jeff | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | " | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | From "Jeffrey Stedfast fejj at novell.com " | May 29 12:53 |
| schestowitz | load average: 5.55, 4.05, 2.44 | May 29 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Don't worry they are not going to like what I say next. | May 29 12:59 |
| schestowitz | See my new post (a minute ago): http://techrights.org/2010/05/29/shotwell-in-fedora/ | May 29 13:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fedora 13 Replaces F-Spot (Mono) With Shotwell (Vala), MeeGo Still Mono Encumbered | Techrights .::. Size~: 99.1 KB | May 29 13:21 |
| schestowitz | I like the image I made | May 29 13:21 |
| schestowitz | It helps people associated Mono w/ what it conveys | May 29 13:21 |
| schestowitz | *Associate | May 29 13:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: rotfl @ video | May 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | May 29 14:24 |
| MinceR | the United States of Jesus | May 29 14:27 |
| schestowitz | There are more like that. Look at the channel | May 29 14:30 |
| MinceR | i know | May 29 14:31 |
| oiaohm | I just sent a message point out Redhat Status of Mono. | May 29 14:31 |
| oiaohm | I mixed up who it was fully forbin from schestowitz | May 29 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Redhat enterprise mono has been fully forbin since 2006 | May 29 14:32 |
| oiaohm | And mono supports cannot read redhat status that says that mono legal status is undefined. | May 29 14:32 |
| oiaohm | http://techrights.org/2010/05/29/shotwell-in-fedora/ is giving me 503 schestowitz | May 29 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why | May 29 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Ok its everything | May 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | May 29 14:35 |
| oiaohm | cache server gone nuts. | May 29 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe so... | May 29 14:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | May 29 14:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Maybe so... | May 29 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Are you sure it's proxy, oiaohm? | May 29 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Server load is still quite high | May 29 14:40 |
| schestowitz | So it's getting requests | May 29 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Actually, it receives no requests | May 29 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the proxy | May 29 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Any suggestions how to diagnose? | May 29 14:43 |
| schestowitz | tessier is probably asleep | May 29 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I tried restarting apache, still no requests, so what else to try\? | May 29 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Few requests do get through sometimes | May 29 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Error looks like vanish proxy screwed up. | May 29 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Ok problem is without being able to reset it I cannot say for sure. | May 29 14:45 |
| schestowitz | So maybe all cached pages mess up | May 29 14:45 |
| oiaohm | vanish is infront of the appache | May 29 14:45 |
| oiaohm | If it shot appache will not get any requests. | May 29 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie vanish will not pass them on. | May 29 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I think varnish might be on a separate server | May 29 14:46 |
| oiaohm | All you are saying is matching up for varnish being dead. | May 29 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I try to think how some requests still get in | May 29 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Are you sure they are getting in. | May 29 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 29 14:47 |
| schestowitz | In Apache logs | May 29 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Not other caches in the network still echoing. | May 29 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure these are not cached | May 29 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Vanish could be intermit. | May 29 14:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they come in bursts like 2 minutes | May 29 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Then off | May 29 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Based on the timestamps | May 29 14:48 |
| schestowitz | But I can't load any page | May 29 14:48 |
| oiaohm | That would not even be a normal patern of traffic right? schestowitz | May 29 14:49 |
| oiaohm | I just tried to go https and found out site does not have that. | May 29 14:49 |
| schestowitz | we don't no.. | May 29 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie https normally avoids proxy. | May 29 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Do you have a diffrent port to standard for proxy bypass for testing. | May 29 14:50 |
| oiaohm | That you can enable. | May 29 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie like 1024 or something stupid. | May 29 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie if appache on a non standard port works we know it has to be proxy for sure. schestowitz | May 29 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Or do you have ssh. | May 29 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I use ssh just to access the account | May 29 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie tunnel into server and connet to the appache from local. | May 29 14:51 |
| schestowitz | But that doesn't use proxy or anything | May 29 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie tunnel port 80 | May 29 14:52 |
| oiaohm | If what you said that vanish is on a different server that should get past it. | May 29 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if he moved it | May 29 14:52 |
| schestowitz | But it worked well after the hardware problem was fixed (bad hard drive) | May 29 14:52 |
| schestowitz | For a moment it did something different | May 29 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Before it gave proper error | May 29 14:53 |
| schestowitz | It spewed som PHP files perhaps without headers | May 29 14:53 |
| schestowitz | So Firefox asked whether to download these | May 29 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I assume maybe some bad pages were sent from the server, then it just stopped working | May 29 14:54 |
| oiaohm | /etc/apache2/sites-enabled should contain the config files for apache that are active. | May 29 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And if ports have been changes it should be listed there. schestowitz | May 29 14:56 |
| schestowitz | I don't have that path for apache | May 29 14:56 |
| oiaohm | So that path does not exist. | May 29 14:56 |
| oiaohm | ? | May 29 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Note this is not the path you put files in. I am after apache site configurations. | May 29 14:57 |
| schestowitz | /etc | May 29 14:57 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell etc]# find | grep apache | May 29 14:57 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell etc]# cd /var/ | May 29 14:57 |
| schestowitz | [root@boycottnovell var]# find | grep apache | May 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ./www/icons/apache_pb2.png | May 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ./www/icons/apache_pb.gif | May 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ./www/icons/apache_pb2.gif | May 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ./www/icons/apache_pb2_ani.gif | May 29 14:58 |
| schestowitz | ./www/icons/apache_pb.png | May 29 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Directory I am looking for will be in /etc | May 29 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Now if not appache it is sometimes /etc/httpd | May 29 14:59 |
| schestowitz | httpd.conf ? | May 29 14:59 |
| schestowitz | "ServerName www.techrights.org:80" | May 29 15:00 |
| oiaohm | So apache is still port 80 | May 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz | And the load is down sharply now | May 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz | load average: 0.07, 0.14, 0.69 | May 29 15:03 |
| oiaohm | So proxy most likely not on the server where you are. | May 29 15:04 |
| schestowitz | It still serves some pages, but not to me | May 29 15:04 |
| oiaohm | tunneling port 80 should allow you straight at the appache to see if anything is wrong there. | May 29 15:04 |
| schestowitz | I worry we might need tessier | May 29 15:05 |
| schestowitz | It's 7am where he is | May 29 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Saturday | May 29 15:05 |
| oiaohm | And I guess you don't have a voip phone call line to tessier | May 29 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I phoned him | May 29 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll do that again | May 29 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Do you know any of his other sites | May 29 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 29 15:11 |
| oiaohm | I would suspect proxy would be for more than 1 site. | May 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Let me try | May 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://copilotco.com/ | May 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Works OK | May 29 15:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Copilotco PCI Compliant Professionally Managed Linux Hosting Services — copilotco .::. Size~: 11.31 KB | May 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | sits on the same server as techrights | May 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | So it must be the proxy | May 29 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | "check out this badass section of faq: https://www.avaneya.com/faq.html#opensource (viavia @gamerchick02)" http://identi.ca/notice/34046809 | May 29 21:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Avaneya - FAQ .::. Size~: 26.47 KB | May 29 21:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 29-May-10 19:51:47 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.37 KB | May 29 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Scumbag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2KdvvajOKY | May 29 23:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- A message from Shawn .::. Size~: 99.8 KB | May 29 23:51 |
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| oiaohm | Currently trying out Alfresco it web management side looks interesting. | May 30 00:11 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Marshalus/statuses/14995811296 "until Microsoft figures out how to do "instant on" they'll be trailing for a while" | May 30 00:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Michael Stanclift: @schestowitz until Microso ... .::. Size~: 11 KB | May 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's pseudopensource | May 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | communitu edition lgpl/apache and a proprietary one | May 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | they struggle in embedded at Microsoft, so instant on won't come | May 30 00:15 |
| oiaohm | No different to how openoffice started out schestowitz | May 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Hah | May 30 00:18 |
| oiaohm | There is a point a program comes good engough in the community form that the commerical kinda dies. | May 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8HsoiYypJY | May 30 00:25 |
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| MinceR | wow, dolphin and kio sucks | May 30 12:31 |
| MinceR | it just decided to randomly throw a dozen windows requesting password in the middle of an sftp session | May 30 12:33 |
| MinceR | close one, it throws another at you | May 30 12:33 |
| MinceR | it grabs X so you can't ctrl+alt+esc it | May 30 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly randomally. | May 30 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Your connection drop out for some reason. | May 30 12:36 |
| oiaohm | The graceful ness of handing that need to be improved. | May 30 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie every sftp request going on would have caused another password dialog box until all were stoped. | May 30 12:37 |
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| MinceR | yes, it needs to improved... WITH FIRE | May 30 20:48 |
| MinceR | time to find a file manager that doesn't suck | May 30 20:48 |
| MinceR | i wonder if Trinity's Konqueror will do | May 30 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Konq in KDE4 is good | May 30 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Password management is better | May 30 20:49 |
| schestowitz | You have better and worse bits | May 30 20:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's improving all the time in KDE4 | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | KDE3 won't improve | May 30 20:50 |
| MinceR | i see a huge pile of bugs. | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | So I can take the flaws of KDE4 and hope they'll be ironed out | May 30 20:50 |
| MinceR | kde3.5 wasn't nearly this buggy. | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | More mature | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They made big changes | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | It gets better | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | 4.4 is good | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Do you use it? | May 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't have plasma leaks anymore | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | That's a nice improvement | May 30 20:51 |
| MinceR | i don't have it yet | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | And I don't need to rekick KDE sessions as a result | May 30 20:51 |
| MinceR | and my problems with plasma weren't the leaks | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: go for it | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: other things too | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Some minor changes, fixes | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | More stable, IMHO | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Not that 4.3 was not stable | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Just less prone to weird things (bugs) | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Like non-refreshing desktops | May 30 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Better file mans | May 30 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33939794#notice-34155643 "wow- it's the google wifi gestapo on wheels!" | May 30 20:52 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 30 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/33978533#notice-34156708 what's the deal with couch? | May 30 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | :do you have anything juicy and incriminating about couchdb?" | May 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | mysql is falling a bit | May 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | No devs | May 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/gbraad/status/15059854500 "@schestowitz #BLAG is #Fedora with #linux-libre kernel? Run F13 and enjoy our great community. Look at bit.ly/dvDi9V bit.ly/Freed-ora" | May 30 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/34001484#notice-34165256 "actually i find couchdb fascinating. i was hoping you wouldn't know anything about them :)" | May 30 22:32 |
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| scientes | j #techrights | May 31 16:02 |
| schestowitz | We need to use that channel more | May 31 16:06 |
| scientes | agreed | May 31 16:15 |
| schestowitz | "Boycott Novell" sounds negative | May 31 16:15 |
| schestowitz | And Novell won't last for much longer | May 31 16:15 |
| scientes | yes | May 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz | It would seem misguided to have a channel name like "boycottSUN" or "boycottPalm" | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | you can get a redirect | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | of the channel | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | techrights is a good name | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | boycottnovell was just a initial purpose of the site | May 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know that I could redirect | May 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz | But... | May 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I need both channels | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | i dont know if you can | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | but canonical does it on this network | May 31 16:16 |
| scientes | when a new release comes out | May 31 16:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS does not like the name | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | #ubuntu+1 then redirects to #ubuntu-release-party | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | and then #ubuntu | May 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz | We corresponded heavily | May 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz | He associated the word rights with authority | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | ahhhhh | May 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz | But I went with it anyway | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | another propaganda term i see | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | makes sense | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | freetech? | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | #techliberty | May 31 16:17 |
| schestowitz | freeware | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | no | May 31 16:17 |
| scientes | freetech | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | liberty=libertarian=communism | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | In some people's minds | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | NO | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | libertarian is ruined | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | liberty is fine | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | In people's minds | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | liberty | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky explained this too | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | i dont see anything wrong with liberty | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | well of course, the attack on those words are purposeful | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | They associate that with terrorism sympathisers or anarchism | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | but liberty is still alive | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | For now.. | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | but yeah, rights is pretty good these days | May 31 16:18 |
| schestowitz | So was "Green" | May 31 16:18 |
| scientes | the reason RMS doesnt like it is obsolete and forgotten | May 31 16:19 |
| schestowitz | And "open" | May 31 16:19 |
| ender2070 | anyone see freeish software | May 31 16:19 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 16:19 |
| schestowitz | "Sustainable" | May 31 16:19 |
| scientes | so techrights is good | May 31 16:19 |
| schestowitz | "Organic" | May 31 16:19 |
| scientes | organic was a decent word | May 31 16:19 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: fresh software | May 31 16:19 |
| scientes | i read a book by one of the standardizers | May 31 16:19 |
| scientes | they use "biologically resilient agriculture" | May 31 16:19 |
| ender2070 | no | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I can show you an episide from Skeptoid | May 31 16:20 |
| scientes | resilient is the need word for sustainable | May 31 16:20 |
| ender2070 | i mean the new troll site, freeishsoftware | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | He discussed how those words get misused | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | And convinced me to avoid some | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | RMS also have words to avoid | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Popular list | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: whose site? | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | TrollCESS? | May 31 16:20 |
| ender2070 | lefty | May 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | May 31 16:20 |
| ender2070 | its a renamed BBN | May 31 16:21 |
| schestowitz | He has too much time in his hands and not enough dildos | May 31 16:21 |
| ender2070 | hhahahaha | May 31 16:21 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: *LOL* | May 31 16:21 |
| schestowitz | He was left in dry ground due to techrights | May 31 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Poor sod... | May 31 16:21 |
| ender2070 | yeah but now he comes off as a huge troll | May 31 16:21 |
| schestowitz | How many attacks blog does he have vs freedom supporters? | May 31 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I got mail this morning........... | May 31 16:22 |
| ender2070 | oh yeah? | May 31 16:22 |
| ender2070 | i told you I got negative email from pro mono people based on google go? | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Subject: lefty and his insane girlfriend fail again | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 02:16:19 -0300 | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | User-Agent: KMail/1.13.0 (Linux/2.6.31.13-desktop-1mnb; KDE/4.4.0; i686; ; ) | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | MIME-Version: 1.0 | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Content-Type: Text/Plain; | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | charset="us-ascii" | May 31 16:23 |
| ender2070 | oh nath | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Message-Id: <201005310216.20131.thylacinus_cynocephalus@yahoo.com> | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.side-line.com/side-line-forum/topic/rascism-in-the-industrial- | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | scene-please-help/page/12#post-38333 | May 31 16:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: bbPress › Error .::. Size~: 0.84 KB | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | accusing me now of impersonating a neo-nazi ... | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Who is he anyway? | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Weird guy | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite like him | May 31 16:23 |
| ender2070 | same guy | May 31 16:23 |
| ender2070 | i dont either | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Seems misogynist | May 31 16:23 |
| ender2070 | he went way off the handle | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | His attacks on Peters sickened me | May 31 16:23 |
| ender2070 | crossed the line into crazy | May 31 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, keep lef*y off your turf | May 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | He's a nutter too | May 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | There are some USENET nutters too who stalk me | May 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I can only ignore them, it discourages them | May 31 16:24 |
| ender2070 | yeah but recently I've decided to approve his comments so people can see how nutty he is | May 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | They are reading and scanning what I do in IRC/identica for smears | May 31 16:25 |
| ender2070 | same here | May 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Heh. I reckon they have you on speeddial (bookmark/RSS) | May 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Treat it like a trophy | May 31 16:25 |
| ender2070 | im sure they do | May 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | They only do this with FSF/GNU/others | May 31 16:25 |
| schestowitz | If they don't bother with you, you lost | May 31 16:26 |
| ender2070 | it was less than 24 hours before I got email regarding go/fedora from that pro mono guy | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm being trolled by some other site | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tmrepository.com/fudtracker/ | May 31 16:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TM Repository - FUD Tracker .::. Size~: 40.13 KB | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | No idea who runs it | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I never responded to those perps | May 31 16:26 |
| ender2070 | oh, linsux | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | no | May 31 16:26 |
| ender2070 | might even be Sir Sane himself | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | These people are smarter | May 31 16:26 |
| schestowitz | They are less crass, too | May 31 16:27 |
| ender2070 | im pretty sure they contribute at the very least | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | But it's run by someone else | May 31 16:27 |
| ender2070 | he commented about a new entry he made for me at one time | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | I did a whois before | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Months ago | May 31 16:27 |
| ender2070 | ahh | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | It's someone from Canada IIRC | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's not too bad | May 31 16:27 |
| ender2070 | theres also encyclopedia dramatica | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | They sent the opposite of the choir to read your material | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | It's the best you can do | May 31 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Speaking to those who oppose you most without speaking | May 31 16:28 |
| schestowitz | As long as they don't vandalise | May 31 16:28 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, I don't draw attention with links to those who troll me. Groklaw/PJ taught me this | May 31 16:28 |
| ender2070 | here look at this http://www.pwnage.ca/images/spammer.png | May 31 16:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | May 31 16:29 |
| schestowitz | It's tempting to link to the trolls/opposition, but RMS too says it's better to ignore and not acknowledge | May 31 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I made mistakes before | May 31 16:29 |
| schestowitz | In 2006 I responded to trolls and people who libeled me | May 31 16:29 |
| schestowitz | In 2008 I still linked to people who cursed/libeled me to correct/respond | May 31 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Like Byfield et al too | May 31 16:29 |
| ender2070 | Byfield, lol | May 31 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Don't click on his new site | May 31 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Don't mention it either | May 31 16:30 |
| ender2070 | i wouldnt want to generate him income | May 31 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Leave grandpa in the queue, for your own entertainment | May 31 16:30 |
| schestowitz | We never censor | May 31 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I just put a login, it drives away scummy trolls who can'yt be bother to register | May 31 16:31 |
| ender2070 | I don't censor unless its libel | May 31 16:31 |
| schestowitz | *bothered | May 31 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw does the same when trolling increases | May 31 16:31 |
| ender2070 | i've enabled that too | May 31 16:31 |
| schestowitz | It's not censorship, just a little hurdle anyone can pass. Newspapers use that a lot. | May 31 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "RON PAUL FTW!!!!!!!!!!!1" | May 31 16:32 |
| ender2070 | I will censor libel but thats my own comment policy. | May 31 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "Obama dat stypid s*cking communist, author ifs an diot" | May 31 16:32 |
| ender2070 | actually if I used a login and they registered more than once I'd have grounds to report them for abuse | May 31 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Make a policy | May 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Make nymshifting part of it | May 31 16:34 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I.e. you break the policy once, then you lose nyms too | May 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | By inheritetance of offence | May 31 16:34 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Commenting_Policy | May 31 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Common_Troll_Tactics | May 31 16:35 |
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| ender2070 | good stuff | May 31 17:03 |
| ender2070 | i'll look into the implementation | May 31 17:03 |
| ender2070 | a 100% FLOSS search engine would be awesome though | May 31 17:06 |
| ender2070 | just dont know about the quality | May 31 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It needs hardware | May 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | And bandwidth | May 31 17:07 |
| ender2070 | yeah and lots of it | May 31 17:07 |
| ender2070 | facebook might see a FLOSS clone | May 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I hope so, but I won't use it | May 31 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Many people use that junk cause they got 'invited' | May 31 17:08 |
| schestowitz | As in, "see my photos, but only if you create an account" | May 31 17:08 |
| ender2070 | I think facebook is part of an agenda | May 31 17:08 |
| ender2070 | Can you think of a better way for the government to figure out who all your friends are? | May 31 17:09 |
| ender2070 | then you have ancestry.com, letting the government piece together all your blood line | May 31 17:09 |
| ender2070 | google.com - so the government knows what you like | May 31 17:10 |
| ender2070 | itunes.com - so the government knows what you like to listen to | May 31 17:10 |
| ender2070 | same with last.fm | May 31 17:10 |
| ender2070 | its all about building personality profiles on everyone | May 31 17:10 |
| ender2070 | the internet is the best way to make that happen | May 31 17:10 |
| ender2070 | people just give that info away | May 31 17:10 |
| ender2070 | To Find Terrorists(TM) | May 31 17:11 |
| ender2070 | or WhateverOtherBadGuy(TM) | May 31 17:11 |
| ender2070 | cout << "" << &badguy << "(TM)"; | May 31 17:12 |
| ender2070 | hope thats valid syntax | May 31 17:13 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | RMS worried about them | May 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | So his haters used the "paranoid" slur | May 31 17:14 |
| ender2070 | rightly so | May 31 17:14 |
| ender2070 | the paranoid label is abused | May 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Heh | May 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | They use it againsyt "PJ" | May 31 17:14 |
| ender2070 | your not paranoid if they really are out to get you | May 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Another is conspiracy theory... | May 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Let me paste a message here | May 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | From yesterday | May 31 17:14 |
| ender2070 | remember the CIA had a tool for scouring social networks | May 31 17:15 |
| ender2070 | even if facebook, google and other corps dont cooperate | May 31 17:15 |
| ender2070 | packet sniffing | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | begin quote: | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Appreciated and don't worry about the past. I had sent you the Red Hat thing | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | just so that if I put out my blog post tomorrow on the OIN you have access | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | to material of which the FFII can confirm its authenticity (they also know | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | the name of the political adviser who provided that stuff). | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | I understand that you focus a lot on Microsoft-related issues and conspiracy | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | theories. When I talked to Benjamin at Vienna airport earlier this month, I | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | mentioned you and your website and I said that if we walked you just 100 | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | meters down the hallway there, you'd probably find five more examples of | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft involvement just by looking around at the airport shops ;-) | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | All that I ask for is to be judged based on what I say, write and do now vs. | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | what I said, wrote and did in the past. My position is that as long as I act | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | consistently, there's no basis for speculation about the independence of my | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | thinking. Once I depart from previously held positions, and if such a change | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | of a position goes beyond what any reasonable person might do out of | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | maturity (we all learn new things every day), then of course people may | May 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | question my motives. | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | There have always been things people didn't like about my approach, but for | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | the fundamentally important ones of those I could find examples going back a | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | number of years where I got criticized on an identical or largely similar | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | basis. | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Eric Raymond wrote on his blog recently that if Microsoft were proven to | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | have any involvement with TurboHercules concerning the patent issues with | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | IBM, then he'd applaud them "this once" for helping a FOSS company against a | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | patent aggressor. ESR leaked Microsoft documents (Halloween memos or | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | whatever they were called) a long time ago, so he's clearly not a friend of | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, but he's issue-focused and that's the best approach. | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I met Roger Bowler, the founder of the Hercules project as well as the | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | TurboHercules company, and he's got a perfect track record in terms of open | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | source and also in terms of patents: he says all patents (not even limited | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | to software patents) are evil. IBM can link him to Microsoft all they want | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | but to me that would, even if it were true, not change a thing as long as he | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | adheres to those principles and acts accordingly. | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | My view is that Microsoft isn't the biggest problem for FOSS right now | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | because antitrust law has affected their behavior (which is why any of their | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | patents can be licensed by third parties, even their worst enemies) and as a | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | platform company they need developer support. As an Outlook user I'm glad | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they opened those formats recently. Legislative lobbying is a different | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | thing. On that front I had to fight against them and I did it vigorously, | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | but also against many others such as IBM and Philips (bad stuff about | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Philips will be mentioned in my post tomorrow) and sadly enough, at times | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | even against Novell and (concerning the final rejection vote in the EP) Red | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Hat. Microsoft probably poured a particularly large amount of money into all | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | sorts of pro-swpat lobbying entities in 2003-2005 but they never claimed to | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | be anything other than a proprietary software company. If you consider that | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | the FFII had to fight a lobbying war with activists receiving only a flat | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | amount of 500 euros per week they spent in Brussels or Strasbourg, it's | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | pretty obvious that FOSS companies, including Red Hat, didn't do nearly | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | enough. | May 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | === | May 31 17:16 |
| ender2070 | sounds like it was written by florian | May 31 17:18 |
| ender2070 | anti redhat and ibm, pro ms | May 31 17:19 |
| ender2070 | am i right? | May 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Not pro-MS | May 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | MS apologist of sorts | May 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | It's weird that he came back out of nowhere | May 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Pilch is still MIA | May 31 17:20 |
| ender2070 | its not Florian? | May 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/197310/pakistan_partially_unblocks_access_to_youtube.html?tk=rss_news | May 31 17:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Pakistan Partially Unblocks Access to YouTube - PCWorld .::. Size~: 66.73 KB | May 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | They are afraid of Mo pictures | May 31 17:21 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: can't tell | May 31 17:21 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:21 |
| ender2070 | i should publish some | May 31 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 31 17:21 |
| ender2070 | then put up google adwords | May 31 17:21 |
| ender2070 | LOL | May 31 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Do yuo know the guildelines? | May 31 17:21 |
| ender2070 | nope | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | You title it "have you seen this man?" | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.... | May 31 17:22 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Thunderf00t if the central figure | May 31 17:22 |
| ender2070 | ill do it, for freedom | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | I've been following his pro-free speech channel for a few months | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | He's against all religious dogmas | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It's only muslim who threaten to kill him | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | And then came South Park incident | May 31 17:22 |
| ender2070 | :) | May 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | So he was among those who led to 12k+ picture of Mo | May 31 17:23 |
| schestowitz | And then Pakistan blocked FB and YouTUbe | May 31 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Funny | May 31 17:23 |
| ender2070 | hahaha | May 31 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Hold on..... | May 31 17:23 |
| ender2070 | yeah it is quite funny | May 31 17:23 |
| schestowitz | This is cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKncDLnqYh8 | May 31 17:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Draw Mo' Day -9000- version .::. Size~: 92.86 KB | May 31 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Good video | May 31 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I typically post jokes about all the religions in this channel | May 31 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Some religious people still read BN, you see... | May 31 17:25 |
| schestowitz | So I just post pro-science in the main channel | May 31 17:25 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApmnezyPSMc | May 31 17:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Draw Mohammad Day 20th May 2010 .::. Size~: 100.17 KB | May 31 17:26 |
| ender2070 | this is a good one | May 31 17:26 |
| ender2070 | ahhh | May 31 17:27 |
| ender2070 | yeah good call with omar | May 31 17:27 |
| schestowitz | pr0n ban: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10180937.stm | May 31 17:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 75.71 KB | May 31 17:28 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: when Omar is around I can't post these. He gets offended | May 31 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Thunderf00t went over the edge though | May 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | He portrayed it radically | May 31 17:29 |
| ender2070 | I like him though | May 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | As though he equated them with radicals | May 31 17:29 |
| ender2070 | he makes a point though | May 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I lost respect for him | May 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | He's a Ph.D. too | May 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | And then he did this immature "over 9000" vid | May 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Many people labeled him "ill" after that | May 31 17:30 |
| ender2070 | ahh | May 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | The problem is that he feeds racist people | May 31 17:30 |
| ender2070 | i just heard of him today | May 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Like http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell does | May 31 17:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- patcondell's Channel .::. Size~: 80.1 KB | May 31 17:30 |
| ender2070 | thats a common problem though | May 31 17:30 |
| ender2070 | sometimes the truth does feed racists | May 31 17:31 |
| ender2070 | some of the conspiracy theories work that way too | May 31 17:31 |
| ender2070 | obama's birth cert | May 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha | May 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I love that one!! | May 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I still face some smart people who believe that | May 31 17:31 |
| ender2070 | if hes one of the elite, they'd have no problem giving him a legit one | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Glen Beck makes millions from his incitations | May 31 17:32 |
| ender2070 | anyways | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Like tens of millions | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Obama is a good PR though | May 31 17:32 |
| ender2070 | Obama is great for PR | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | The middle east like him | May 31 17:32 |
| ender2070 | if you disagree, racist | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | The EU likes him | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't matter if he has his 'little Chaneys' | May 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | *CHeney | May 31 17:33 |
| ender2070 | 'czar' is a communist term btw | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: that or Hillary | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Hillary has the "sexist" card | May 31 17:33 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Turns out middle aged men hate her | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | They think of her as their divorced ex wife | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | I can see that... | May 31 17:33 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | PR people PISS ME OFF | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Always female | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | CodePlex hired one | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | paula Hunter | May 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Criticise=chauvinist | May 31 17:34 |
| ender2070 | what people fail to see is that these personalities are all marketted | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | They know what they do hiring her | May 31 17:34 |
| ender2070 | all these polititians read scripts given to them | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Ramji was feminine too | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Always pretending to be victim | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Hilf was an arse and he showed it | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Ina Friend | May 31 17:34 |
| ender2070 | steven harpor (canada's pm) was caught copying the australian pm's speech word for word | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | *Fired | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | It's a male, female, or both | May 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | So if he chooses to be "she", then you're sexist | May 31 17:35 |
| ender2070 | everything involves marketers these days | May 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Or claim the slanderer to be anti-trans | May 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Which works for them | May 31 17:35 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 31 17:35 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Cause many people curse the sexuality and make Microsoft look like thr victim | May 31 17:35 |
| ender2070 | the racist card, the sexist card | May 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Mary Jo FOley | May 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | "Ohhhhhh... she's always SOOOOOOOOOO nice" | May 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | In wrote about Ramji a lot | May 31 17:35 |
| ender2070 | another thing roy | May 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | equating him to "geisha" figure | May 31 17:36 |
| ender2070 | people trust women more than men | May 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Do they? | May 31 17:36 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Both men and women trust more? | May 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's justifiable though | May 31 17:36 |
| ender2070 | yeah, as in lies | May 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Men caused wars | May 31 17:36 |
| ender2070 | women are less likely to lie about stuff | May 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Men=foxes (in people's minds) | May 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Hunters | May 31 17:37 |
| ender2070 | especially when it comes to money and stability | May 31 17:37 |
| ender2070 | its a marketing choice | May 31 17:37 |
| ender2070 | :) | May 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I hate marketing | May 31 17:37 |
| ender2070 | its everywhere | May 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | See how everyone is afraid of criticising Israel | May 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | It always amuses me | May 31 17:37 |
| ender2070 | politicians are basicly actors now | May 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Everyone turns silent | May 31 17:37 |
| ender2070 | playing the part the public is most likely to accept | May 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Obama is like a drumstick | May 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | [17:37] <ender2070> politicians are basicly actors now | May 31 17:38 |
| ender2070 | people are afraid of criticizing israel, they might get called racist | May 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Arnold might succeed Reagan | May 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes | May 31 17:38 |
| ender2070 | even though a religion isn't a race | May 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: same with "Anti Microsogft" | May 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I can scream "I HATE Facebook" | May 31 17:38 |
| ender2070 | you can convert into judaism and say it | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I can't do that about Microsoft | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Cause there's a stereotype | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They create those | May 31 17:39 |
| ender2070 | which is silly cause converting your religion doesnt change your genes | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | It's funny when people label genes with religion | May 31 17:39 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Like, "he has christian genes" | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Or Muslin | May 31 17:39 |
| ender2070 | that religion has a lot of brainwashing in it too | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They are not arabs | May 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | There are muslin in east Asia too | May 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | It's "gene memory" | May 31 17:40 |
| ender2070 | the jewish religion says that if a female jew has a kid, they are automatically jewish | May 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Like "Cell memory" | May 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | The cells "remember" their religion | May 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | That's what the homeopathy k00ks would say | May 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: maybe cause father can't be determined | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Not in ancient days | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | You know which slit the kid came from | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | But not which sperm got it conceived | May 31 17:41 |
| ender2070 | yeah thats true | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Not we have DNA research, which religions find repellent | May 31 17:41 |
| ender2070 | but they also didnt want anyone to leave | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It destroys their desert myths | May 31 17:41 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | But the church sometimes accepts it | May 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Not the "young Earth" creationists | May 31 17:41 |
| ender2070 | history is a huge myth | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Some of whom are un US congress~! | May 31 17:42 |
| ender2070 | you had people controlling religions making up history as they went | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: POV-dependent | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I watched a EU map easrlier | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I looked into feudalism | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | When looking for an image | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I got Joan de Arc | May 31 17:42 |
| ender2070 | then those people became banking families in 1800's | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | And I saw old maps of Europe | May 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Ownership of land has no absolutes | May 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Indians->European->African/Mexican | May 31 17:43 |
| ender2070 | yeah i know | May 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Israel with Semites | May 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Europe with all sorts of things | May 31 17:43 |
| ender2070 | plenty of places were preowned | May 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Arab tribes too | May 31 17:43 |
| ender2070 | iraq was the home of sumaria | May 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | EU conquest, Shanghais Kahn | May 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Ghangis | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Can't spell it | May 31 17:44 |
| ender2070 | Ghangis Kahn has something in common with a lot of people | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes! | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I read that | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | You can tarce back his DNA | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | He raped many women | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Spread his genes | May 31 17:44 |
| ender2070 | he boned a lot of our great great great great great great great great great great great grandmothers | May 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | That's why rapists can be more successful in evolution, which is sad | May 31 17:45 |
| ender2070 | in evolutionary terms, survival of the fittest | May 31 17:45 |
| ender2070 | i guess he was the fittest | May 31 17:45 |
| ender2070 | not advocating rape, but back then rape wasnt so taboo either it was common | May 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | More capable of impregnating | May 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Assuming the women can conceive with that sperm | May 31 17:46 |
| ender2070 | armies always raped the women of the towns or cities they conquered | May 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Fitting not meaning most powerful or mentally capable | May 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Now we have contraception too | May 31 17:47 |
| ender2070 | hell, the soviet solders were raping germans at the end of ww2 | May 31 17:47 |
| ender2070 | when berlin was under seige | May 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | So growth happens where there is less contraception, i.e. in less developed civilisation | May 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Bar child mortality | May 31 17:47 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - when u have no money and no entertainment, all u can do is fuck | May 31 17:47 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: maybe the troops needed a break /sarcasm | May 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | "Have a break, have a kit cat" | May 31 17:48 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/197052/Red_Hat_Oracle.html?tk=rss_news | May 31 17:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Red Hat Exec: Oracle's Not an Open Source Company - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.37 KB | May 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=64525 | May 31 17:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Technology Chronicles : Rep. Speier asks Craigslist to delete adult services section .::. Size~: 59.01 KB | May 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I'd never pay for sex | May 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I know people who do | May 31 17:49 |
| ender2070 | ewwww | May 31 17:50 |
| ender2070 | oracle isnt oss btw | May 31 17:50 |
| ender2070 | :) | May 31 17:50 |
| ender2070 | they take RHEL 5.5 and sell it as Oracle 5.5 | May 31 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Ellison if a charlatan | May 31 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Competes for ego evrsus Gates | May 31 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Does the charity messabout too | May 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | With hospitals | May 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | He's a friend of Steve Jobs | May 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Went to his wedding or something (maybe vice versa) | May 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | ANd remember what Jobs thinks of Linux | May 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine what they chat about when it comes to OSes | May 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | ANd I'm sure Ellison would use a Mac as his workstation. He hates MSFT | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | BTW | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Dont' spell "MS" | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Ever | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | It's tainted :-) | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | "MSFT" not tainted yet | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | "M$"=very tainted | May 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like people who nitpick typos in a message if you write "MS" you get dismissed early on by the reader | May 31 17:54 |
| ender2070 | I usually go by MSFT | May 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | For money news it's best | May 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Less so in tech context | May 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I can say "MSFT is losing value" | May 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | But if I say "MSFT corrupted ISO" it's different | May 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Funn thing is, Microsoft itself writes "MS" | May 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | In internal memos | May 31 17:56 |
| ender2070 | i remember on slashdot one reader pointed out that it sticks it to them by saying MSFT because all they care about is money | May 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | So it's OK for them, not good for us to abbreviate | May 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | They try to exhaust critics :0) | May 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/05/25/iphone.centric.conference.wired/index.html | May 31 17:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Steve Jobs: 'You won't be disappointed' - CNN.com .::. Size~: 35.87 KB | May 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | CNN loves Apple | May 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft | May 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Never covers FOSS | May 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | No quid in that for CNN | May 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Or US economy | May 31 17:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/05/24/twitter-decides-it-will-be-the-only-one-offering-ads-in-the-timeline | May 31 17:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter Decides it Will Be the Only One Offering Ads in the Timeline | WebProNews .::. Size~: 48.94 KB | May 31 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Twitter not gone rogue yet | May 31 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm actually quite OK with their policies | May 31 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Identica grew a lot | May 31 18:00 |
| ender2070 | Identi.ca is better though | May 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | It's also better (threaded chat) | May 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | May 31 18:00 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | ANd !tag | May 31 18:00 |
| ender2070 | its hard to follow conversations on twitter still | May 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Create communities better | May 31 18:00 |
| ender2070 | at least they have context now | May 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | I follow !fsf | May 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | It feels like a family of people with shared affiliation, not just tag | May 31 18:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 31 18:01 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_environment/10175960.stm | May 31 18:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 75.17 KB | May 31 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Haha | May 31 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Yay. More cameras | May 31 18:01 |
| ender2070 | LOL i just went to identi.ca | May 31 18:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/347860/us_copyright_official_discounts_acta_concerns?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | May 31 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Bamama | May 31 18:02 |
| ender2070 | this popped up on the front page (coincidence) | May 31 18:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: US copyright official discounts ACTA concerns - ACTA, copyright - Techworld .::. Size~: 51.16 KB | May 31 18:02 |
| ender2070 | http://identi.ca/notice/34271933 | May 31 18:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Richard Querin (rfquerin) 's status on Monday, 31-May-10 16:58:22 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.09 KB | May 31 18:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/34100407#notice-34271933 | May 31 18:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 97.24 KB | May 31 18:03 |
| schestowitz | openuniverse gives him a spanking | May 31 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I like openuniverse. He likes techrights | May 31 18:03 |
| ender2070 | yeah I saw | May 31 18:03 |
| ender2070 | everyone does | May 31 18:03 |
| ender2070 | hes just a troll i dont even talk to him in public anymore | May 31 18:04 |
| ender2070 | i've made vague mentions of him and I named him once in "when advocacy turns to zealotry" | May 31 18:04 |
| schestowitz | it's not advocacy | May 31 18:05 |
| schestowitz | It's business to him | May 31 18:05 |
| ender2070 | yeah | May 31 18:05 |
| schestowitz | He's after $$, not activism | May 31 18:05 |
| ender2070 | his company leverages open source | May 31 18:05 |
| schestowitz | We just happen to stand him his way | May 31 18:05 |
| ender2070 | a gpl3 kernel would be very bad for LiMo | May 31 18:06 |
| schestowitz | "leverages open source" - euphemism | May 31 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Like "Restorting balance to the region" | May 31 18:06 |
| scientes | limo? | May 31 18:06 |
| ender2070 | leverage is just another word for "uses" | May 31 18:06 |
| ender2070 | they use open source to profit | May 31 18:06 |
| schestowitz | or exploited | May 31 18:06 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 31 18:06 |
| scientes | leverage==explait | May 31 18:06 |
| schestowitz | For quick development time | May 31 18:06 |
| scientes | *exploit | May 31 18:06 |
| ender2070 | exploited is a much better word | May 31 18:06 |
| scientes | not that all exoiloiting is bad | May 31 18:07 |
| scientes | *exploiting | May 31 18:07 |
| scientes | it need not be parasidit | May 31 18:07 |
| ender2070 | what ACCESS does with Limo is sneaky | May 31 18:07 |
| ender2070 | sure, its open source | May 31 18:07 |
| scientes | or even communal | May 31 18:07 |
| ender2070 | however | May 31 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Leverage open source like the fat man leverages his arse off the toilet seat | May 31 18:07 |
| schestowitz | LIMO=swpats pool | May 31 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Mostly | May 31 18:08 |
| ender2070 | the only open source components in Limo were already open source (kernel, gtk, gstreamer, etc) | May 31 18:08 |
| ender2070 | everything ACCESS added to it, was proprietary | May 31 18:08 |
| schestowitz | They have Emblaze now | May 31 18:08 |
| ender2070 | Netrunner, the security system, apps, Palm5 emulator | May 31 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Some crappy Israeli company that sued Microsoft and Apple with swpats | May 31 18:08 |
| schestowitz | They have that crappy GUI | May 31 18:08 |
| ender2070 | ACCESS doesnt contribute | May 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Apple wannabes with ACCESS bad reputation attached to it | May 31 18:09 |
| ender2070 | Lefty worked for Apple | May 31 18:09 |
| ender2070 | he is biased | May 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | He still works for them | May 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | In a different way | May 31 18:09 |
| ender2070 | he always takes the pro apple stance | May 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | He 'works' for them | May 31 18:09 |
| ender2070 | he takes credit for bonjour being open source | May 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | He's getting balder like Jobs | May 31 18:09 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he reckons if he wears jeans and talks trash he'll also be as revered | May 31 18:10 |
| ender2070 | hes missing the beard | May 31 18:15 |
| ender2070 | I have the beard! | May 31 18:16 |
| ender2070 | the beard is not for sale! | May 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/34073699#notice-34256632 "Microsoft faking numbers? Nah. They wouldn't do that. Unless they thought they wouldn't get caught :]" | May 31 18:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 11.1 KB | May 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | About them faking security flaws | May 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | BTW, ender2070 | May 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | A lot of Red Hat people linked to that post | May 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | About Microsoft making bogus comparisons to RHEL | May 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | I guess I helped them against common FUD | May 31 18:21 |
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| ender2070 | :) | May 31 18:24 |
| ender2070 | im gonna integrate my site with identi.ca | May 31 18:29 |
| ender2070 | i think you said identi.ca integrates with twitter too? | May 31 18:30 |
| schestowitz | "@themadhatteron RE: "Roy do you have a link to where Ballmer said the XBox business is funny?" IIRC, it was in www.theinquirer.net" | May 31 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Hm... I can't find it now | May 31 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Damn | May 31 18:30 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yeah, it does | May 31 18:30 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i'd probably tell him the same- i'm glad he's bothering microsoft though" http://280.status.net/notice/117172 | May 31 18:31 |
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| ender2070 | is he on identica or twitter | May 31 18:32 |
| ender2070 | im adding people | May 31 18:32 |
| ender2070 | I was considering putting my own picture online | May 31 18:33 |
| ender2070 | probably not on identica though | May 31 18:34 |
| ender2070 | i give up my rights to it if I do that | May 31 18:34 |
| ender2070 | kind of worried about another Elland Road | May 31 18:34 |
| ender2070 | me with devil horns | May 31 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "Hmmm.... They seem more competent than someone who's blog title is "Boycott Boycott Novell", yes...." http://identi.ca/notice/34260864 | May 31 18:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fabian Scherschel (fabsh) 's status on Monday, 31-May-10 15:06:35 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.36 KB | May 31 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Elland Road? | May 31 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Does he do you with horns? | May 31 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Who's that anyway? | May 31 18:38 |
| schestowitz | It's weird | May 31 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Cause a friend of mine owned a domain called EllanRoad for many years\ | May 31 18:38 |
| ender2070 | hes that guy who uses the picture of you with devil horns | May 31 18:39 |
| ender2070 | follows lefty | May 31 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I reckoned it's maybe him | May 31 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Very weird, maybe related to those other puppets | May 31 18:44 |
| ender2070 | im sure it is but theres no evidence | May 31 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm...... :-( http://www.conceivablytech.com/1097/products/mozilla-unleashes-a-rather-disappointing-firefox-3-6-4-rc/ | May 31 19:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla Unleashes a Rather Disappointing Firefox 3.6.4 RC | ConceivablyTech .::. Size~: 54.01 KB | May 31 19:14 |
| ender2070 | tmrepo is funny | May 31 19:17 |
| ender2070 | i must have read about 3 on the first page about you | May 31 19:17 |
| ender2070 | then page 2 had a pro zdnet one | May 31 19:17 |
| ender2070 | LOL | May 31 19:17 |
| schestowitz | THey are Linux haters | May 31 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Not just FSF haters | May 31 19:21 |
| ender2070 | yeah im laughing at all of this stuff | May 31 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I visit it once a week for kicks | May 31 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I won't touch with my IP any of the other trolls' sites | May 31 19:22 |
| ender2070 | good call | May 31 19:23 |
| ender2070 | i dont have my own ip | May 31 19:23 |
| ender2070 | just a few different places I go to | May 31 19:24 |
| ender2070 | free wifi | May 31 19:24 |
| ender2070 | windowsisapeiceofshit.ca ? | May 31 19:27 |
| MinceR | :) | May 31 19:31 |
| ender2070 | hehe | May 31 19:34 |
| ender2070 | fnidiots is a clever domain name | May 31 19:35 |
| ender2070 | I know someone who has it already though | May 31 19:35 |
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| ender2070 | I do need a new domain im thinking | May 31 20:03 |
| ender2070 | pwnage.ca kinda sucks | May 31 20:03 |
| MinceR | it isn't so bad | May 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: http://identi.ca/notice/34277047 | May 31 20:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fabian Scherschel (fabsh) 's status on Monday, 31-May-10 17:53:27 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.81 KB | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | "You're complaining that the term "free software" is meaningless and you use "open source"? Uh-huh. http://www.apple.com/opensource" | May 31 20:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple - Open Source .::. Size~: 90.01 KB | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Stil Apple fanbotism | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | *yism | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | pwnage.ca is good | May 31 20:05 |
| ender2070 | not very professional sounding | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Depends on what content you make on it | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Take Yahoo! for example | May 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Or slashdot | May 31 20:06 |
| ender2070 | I wonder if I could even take Free Software Canada | May 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | bingboing | May 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | boingboing is funny sounding | May 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: ask RMS | May 31 20:06 |
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| ender2070 | lol I heard the microwave turn on and I got a d/c | May 31 20:09 |
| MinceR | wifi? | May 31 20:09 |
| ender2070 | yes | May 31 20:09 |
| ender2070 | I used to own the domain ubersource.com | May 31 20:09 |
| ender2070 | I could take ubersource.ca | May 31 20:10 |
| ender2070 | I wonder if sovereign could be used in place of free | May 31 20:18 |
| ender2070 | Sovereign Software | May 31 20:19 |
| ender2070 | software independant of outside control from corporations or governments | May 31 20:19 |
| ender2070 | independent* | May 31 20:19 |
| schestowitz | http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2010/05/24/daily50.html | May 31 20:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Szulik to step down as Red Hat chairman - Triangle Business Journal .::. Size~: 77.52 KB | May 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | It was known | May 31 20:21 |
| schestowitz | he said he'd step down ages ago | May 31 20:21 |
| ender2070 | msft-exposed.ca | May 31 20:31 |
| ender2070 | ? | May 31 20:31 |
| ender2070 | ms specific tracking site | May 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/05/get-your-shirt-together-with-helios.html | May 31 20:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Blog of Helios: Get Your Shirt Together With The HeliOS Project .::. Size~: 73.44 KB | May 31 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "For those of you who do not recognize our T shirt model, you might be surprised. Beth Lynn Eicher of Ohio Linux Fest fame recently visited Austin on business and was kind enough to spend the evening with Skip and me at our Ultra Secret Testing Facility in Hutto Texas. After taking her on the Grand Tour of our main facility in Lakeway Texas, we made the 1 hour trip all the way out to Hutto to just kick it and talk Linux | May 31 20:33 |
| schestowitz | stuff." | May 31 20:33 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: Microsoft might fade | May 31 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Like Shane Boycott-Novell, it's a moving target thing | May 31 20:34 |
| ender2070 | good call | May 31 20:34 |
| schestowitz | it's weird to criticise Oracle in a Microsoft-branded domain | May 31 20:37 |
| ender2070 | yeah I know what you mean | May 31 20:38 |
| ender2070 | novell wont be around for much longer | May 31 20:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/willow-garage-shows-how-open-source-is-supposed-to-work/6599 | May 31 20:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Willow Garage shows how open source is supposed to work | ZDNet .::. Size~: 102.44 KB | May 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Dana is deciding how open source is "supposed" to work | May 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Lurched on his WIndersBox... | May 31 20:43 |
| ender2070 | lol | May 31 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I just read it | May 31 20:50 |
| schestowitz | it's not too bad | May 31 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Conceited title got me.. | May 31 20:51 |
| schestowitz | There's loads of good Feodra news today | May 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | The Red Hat guys also link to TechRights more after it was renamed | May 31 21:07 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: so... Think of the behaviour you target, not company | May 31 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Companies are amorphous and change | May 31 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Sun for example | May 31 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2010/05/meego-linux-1-0-released-for-netbooks-video.html video of meego | May 31 21:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MeeGo Linux 1.0 released for netbooks Video .::. Size~: 37.88 KB | May 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp5EPnP9hpc | May 31 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Lunacy | May 31 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Damn, can't find Ballmer saying XBox is funny. If you come across it let me know, ok?" @themadhatteron IIRC, it was in The Inquirer | May 31 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Damn, I can't find it now | May 31 23:58 |
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