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| digitteknohippie | past few days, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOEMv0S8AcA&NR=1 freedombox has been the main thing featuring in my browser. now revisiting older eben moglen talks, has a different feeling. | Nov 05 00:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows Depending on Linux http://ur1.ca/5n3yj #linux | Nov 05 00:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android devices act as touchscreens for Windows PCs - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 58.25 KB | Nov 05 00:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 16 is Ready http://ur1.ca/5n3za #redhat | Nov 05 00:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fedora 16 declared gold - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.2 KB | Nov 05 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | if they drop Mono they'll be back under the 700 MB limit with ~50-60 MB to spare | Nov 05 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | if they keep Mono, they're going to have to declare that Ubuntu can no longer fit onto a CD | Nov 05 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Not with OOO anyway | Nov 05 00:23 |
| schestowitz | or libreoffice | Nov 05 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Like PCLOS | Nov 05 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | their main competitors have no problem fitting onto a CD | Nov 05 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | if they do have a problem fitting onto a CD, it will give their competitors a big boost from people who find that CD sized ISOs are convenient | Nov 05 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | CD-Rs are dirt cheap compared to DVD-Rs | Nov 05 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | under half the price of a DVD-R | Nov 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84928689 http://identi.ca/notice/84928713 http://identi.ca/notice/84929210 http://identi.ca/notice/84929502 | Nov 05 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-11 23:48:08 UTC - Identi.ca: Linux Mint Distinguishes Self From Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/5n3do #linuxmint | Nov 05 00:25 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 04-Nov-11 23:50:28 UTC - Identi.ca: Kernel Log: more details on the kernel.org hack http://is.gd/FQ4dC3 #linux #kernel | Nov 05 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I for one like throwing 12 cent CDs around when I'm playing with various distributions in a Live environment and probably won't keep them | Nov 05 00:25 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 00:09:21 UTC - Identi.ca: #Commodore C64 Runs #LinuxMint http://ur1.ca/5n3x4 #linux | Nov 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Commodore C64 gets Core i7 engine transplant - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 56.44 KB | Nov 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 00:21:34 UTC - Identi.ca: #Apple Killr (Razr) Coming on 11/11/11 11:11:11 http://is.gd/YcO1kR #android #linux | Nov 05 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I hardly use them | Nov 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | there are USB installers now | Nov 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | you just need a spare connected PC | Nov 05 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | right, but it's cheaper to burn a CD | Nov 05 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | than to use up the writes on your flash drive before it wears out | Nov 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Not necessarily | Nov 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | you can reuse a USB | Nov 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I put Debian on it | Nov 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | then wired | Nov 05 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I mean | Nov 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | and use it for palm and backups again | Nov 05 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | you have limited writes on a thumb drive | Nov 05 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | before it goes bad | Nov 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | what about cdrw? | Nov 05 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | CD RWs have disadvantages | Nov 05 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | they're slower to burn to | Nov 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | they have to be erased before they can be re-burned | Nov 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | they're more expensive than a CD-R | Nov 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | they put increased wear on your drive vs. burning a new CD-R | Nov 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | CD RWs aren't really all that popular because they're expensive and inconvenient compared to CD-R | Nov 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | and, they have a limit to maybe 100 writes per sector iirc | Nov 05 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | so eventually the disc will start to have bad spots and will be trash anyway | Nov 05 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I find that nothing beats a CD-R for trying out Linux distributions | Nov 05 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | I certainly don't want to start going through thumb drives faster because I decided to wear out a $30 flash drive vs. a 12 cent CD | Nov 05 00:31 |
| *amarsh04 uses cd-rw's for new versions of sysrescuecd and the grub rescue cd | Nov 05 00:31 | |
| DaemonFC | you can reinstall GRUB from the emergency recovery system on most distribution live CDs anyway | Nov 05 00:32 |
| amarsh04 | true... but I found the grub rescue cd easier to boot into an existing system | Nov 05 00:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jan_fabry Geen idee of ik roadies mag meepakken. Wat denkt @TEDxUHasselt daarvan? | Nov 05 00:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | Robert Nordan Collapse | Nov 05 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | Gnote is perpetually playing catch-up to Tomboy, lacks a culture for contributed add-ins and doesn't have proper automatic online sync. | Nov 05 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | ryanfarmer | Nov 05 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | I hope you're not suggesting there is a Mono culture. :) | Nov 05 00:43 |
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| DaemonFC | The Mono project is led by a Microsoft MVP, it clones a Microsoft API, it is infringing Microsoft patents, it is promoted by a company that admits it is "open core" (which precludes there being a real community around it). | Nov 05 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | What I have seen them do is slither around in sites like this, to troll anyone who tells the truth about Mono, and to pretend to be Joe User when they want to rubber stamp something that (let's face it) Microsoft pays them to work on through Novell and now through the mysterious investor funding Xamarin. (Gee, I wonder who that could be) :) | Nov 05 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | Their job at "Xamarin" is to continue making Linux distributions depend on software that Microsoft reserves the right to sue over. | Nov 05 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | Back to Gnote. Where is your proof that they don't accept patches from users? Are you making that up? | Nov 05 00:43 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few... | Nov 05 00:48 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://i.imgur.com/5Vaty.jpg | Nov 05 00:49 |
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| DaemonFC | I like this | Nov 05 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84930133 | Nov 05 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 00:50:37 UTC - Identi.ca: Links 4/11/2011: Fedora 16 Goes Gold, Apple Bats for Sacred Cow (Brand):http://techrights.org/2011/11/04/fedora-16-goes-gold/ !tr | Nov 05 00:58 |
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| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/11/04/1539253/microsoft-mozilla-and-google-ban-malaysian-intermediate-ca Still no CACert | Nov 05 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | on the theory that the insecure CAs they do let in are more secure than CACert | Nov 05 01:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Still liking this song. I need to go CD-hunting again soon. http://is.gd/WKIgjl | Nov 05 01:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] You can find all of his stuff at his own site here: http://ur1.ca/5n5by | Nov 05 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I would guess days of execution, but planning it would have been a job too. (I've a brother who does painted murals http://ur1.ca/5n5c6 ) | Nov 05 01:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @zotz You can find all of his stuff at his own site here: http://ur1.ca/5n5by << very cool, I'll have to check it out after !NaNoWriMo | Nov 05 01:33 | |
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| schestowitz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/11/plasma-workspaces-48.html | Nov 05 01:45 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: What Diaspora hashtags do you use? | Nov 05 01:52 |
| schestowitz | you can check and see | Nov 05 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I cannot recall | Nov 05 01:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I mess with xhtml & css b/c it helps me make my web stuff look the way i want it too | Nov 05 01:58 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: lol Dr. Roy | Nov 05 02:00 |
| XFaCE | "View Dr. Roy's profile" | Nov 05 02:01 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Go host a daytime show about curing proprietary addictions. "I want you to get exciting about your life!" | Nov 05 02:01 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: Hmm Diaspora is a little buggy right now, guess I will try again later | Nov 05 02:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Ubuntu hour is breaking up (3+ hours later) but funny. didn't get many words written... now off home to get my nose to the grindstone :) | Nov 05 02:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The True Value Of Money (Literally) | ZeroHedge #preppers #collapse #bankingsystem http://goo.gl/xtbTK | Nov 05 02:13 | |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: yes, silly changes they made | Nov 05 02:14 |
| schestowitz | they abbrevaiate names like this without knowing how it's written down | Nov 05 02:15 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: I can't seem to add a profile picture and my tags didn't save :( | Nov 05 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | I love this town | Nov 05 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | 20% unemployment and a 24 hour McDonalds that's one of the largest in the state | Nov 05 02:17 |
| schestowitz | wow | Nov 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | the "official" figures? | Nov 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | [20%] | Nov 05 02:21 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: known issue, I think | Nov 05 02:22 |
| schestowitz | they'll get around to fixing it | Nov 05 02:22 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Which town? | Nov 05 02:22 |
| schestowitz | huntington | Nov 05 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My guess based on the official figures | Nov 05 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | you double them and get the real figure usually | Nov 05 02:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] This Is Only Just The Beginning - #usa #collapse http://ur1.ca/5n62y | Nov 05 02:24 | |
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| schestowitz | that dosm't work this way | Nov 05 02:26 |
| schestowitz | first you need to define your terms | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | what's "unemployment"? | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Does a person who stopped looking count? | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | If so, after how long? | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | If one spouse works and another does not, unemployment? | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Are under 18s counting? | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Is internship a job? | Nov 05 02:27 |
| schestowitz | and so on.. | Nov 05 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If a person makes a hamburger for me at McDonalds, they have a manufacturing job | Nov 05 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | (Bush's rule) | Nov 05 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | if an adult who should have a better job gives up and delivers newspapers, they're "employed" | Nov 05 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | working 20 hours a week for minimum wage at Walmart? | Nov 05 02:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: last time we spoke about your job you were not too happy with it... | Nov 05 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | you're employed | Nov 05 02:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] One of the 1% resigns admitting he screwed the 99% http://identi.ca/url/56413796 | Nov 05 02:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | state stops your unemployment even though you were really trying to find employment, you're "not unemployed" anymore even though you are | Nov 05 02:42 |
| schestowitz | At a capacity equal to what benefits pay | Nov 05 02:42 |
| schestowitz | or less | Nov 05 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | they don't count people over 65 as being unemployed even if they don't work | Nov 05 02:43 |
| schestowitz | so it's cheaper for them to keep the people pseudo-working | Nov 05 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | but if they do work, they're taking a job that could be given to someone else AND getting a social security check | Nov 05 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Nov 05 02:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: or if they lack a pension -- that's classified as another category | Nov 05 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to retire, retire | Nov 05 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to work, stop taking social security | Nov 05 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | they get to have their cake and eat it too | Nov 05 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | they figure out ways to game the system so they always make a little less than the threshold where they have to start paying back a little of their social security check | Nov 05 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | I wish I got to do whatever I want and always be right | Nov 05 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, I make enough to live on, but if I get a job, I can have more shit" then "Hey, I hate my job, so I'll quit and make enough guaranteed income to live on" | Nov 05 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | they're never in danger if they lose their job, they're just out all the extra shit they can buy | Nov 05 02:46 |
| schestowitz | depends | Nov 05 02:46 |
| schestowitz | if you're your age and uemployed in Indiana, how much does your govt pay you a week? | Nov 05 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | it has nothing to do with age during your "working years" | Nov 05 02:47 |
| schestowitz | if you own a house or stay in one, social security might cover the rest (food, bills) | Nov 05 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's a percentage of your average income over the last year | Nov 05 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | like 72% iirc | Nov 05 02:47 |
| schestowitz | that's too much | Nov 05 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | and it only lasts for a maximum of 6 months unless some law gets passed saying you get an extension | Nov 05 02:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe your system pampers you | Nov 05 02:48 |
| schestowitz | no wonder the US goes bankrupt | Nov 05 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't say that | Nov 05 02:48 |
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| DaemonFC | it takes a year to find an acceptable job, but the unemployment fund only gives you barely enough to live on for 6 months | Nov 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | you're not living like a rock star | Nov 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | you're living in fear that you're about to lose everything any day now | Nov 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, I think the unemployment system is too stingy | Nov 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | and the reason for that is corporate lobbyists who convince politicians to lower the unemployment tax that companies have to pay | Nov 05 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | then they fire everyone and the state has to take foreign loans to fill the unemployment coffers | Nov 05 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | it means that the employer can get away with paying almost no unemployment insurance tax, fire everyone and move to China one day, and dump every worker they had onto an unfunded state mandate | Nov 05 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | I say tax the fuck out of them | Nov 05 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | the difference between a 3 and 5% unemployment insurance tax is not going to be the tipping point that makes them move to China | Nov 05 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | it just means they don't get away with pawning all their victims onto the state for the next six months when they go | Nov 05 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | these greedy parasites that run companies like Walmart want the vast majority of the US to be poor and depend on them, the worse the economy gets, the better Walmart does | Nov 05 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | because it means more people who have to take bad jobs there | Nov 05 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | and more people that depend on groceries that cost 5-10% less than in the supermarkets across town that pay their workers better | Nov 05 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart consistently makes about $10 BILLION a year in net profit | Nov 05 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's after all costs of business | Nov 05 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | after ALL taxes | Nov 05 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | after everything | Nov 05 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | if they put just 10% of that net profit towards worker wage increases, they could give every one of their hourly workers more than an additional $2 or so an hour | Nov 05 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | it may not sound like a lot | Nov 05 02:58 |
| schestowitz | when work security is poor, they can | Nov 05 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | but it can mean the difference between which side of the poverty line they end up on | Nov 05 02:58 |
| schestowitz | in fact, they can do lots of stuff | Nov 05 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's good for business to fuck the workers and tell them to go ask for food stamps and medicaid | Nov 05 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Walmart is a truly disgusting company, they make Microsoft look divine in comparison | Nov 05 03:00 |
| azalyn | i hear costco has a better way of doing things. they treat employees fairly from what i heard. | Nov 05 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | I can't recall the last time Microsoft called a meeting and told anyone who worked there to go stand in the government cheese line | Nov 05 03:00 |
| azalyn | i read an article that said that some shareholders feel it's better to be an employee of costco, than a shareholder | Nov 05 03:00 |
| azalyn | but of course, that's just shareholders being a bunch of whiny little bitches, as usual. | Nov 05 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | the UK has Walmart, and you were fools to let them in if they can operate anything like they do in the United States | Nov 05 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | You call them ASDA because they bought ASDA to get around some kind of ban on Walmart there | Nov 05 03:01 |
| azalyn | microsoft is more dangerous than walmart however. | Nov 05 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt that | Nov 05 03:01 |
| azalyn | long-term, i don't see walmart having any power whatsoever in terms of making the world better or worse. | Nov 05 03:01 |
| azalyn | where as microsoft could very well doom us. | Nov 05 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is one of the biggest leeches on the United States economy | Nov 05 03:02 |
| azalyn | IT is the most important thing since the printing press. it is *vital* that information remain freely exchangeable. | Nov 05 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | they're the biggest source of this influx of Chinese imports | Nov 05 03:02 |
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| azalyn | and if microsoft succeeds to retain control, we will all be locked into one vendor. and have tivoized DRM'd platforms. and even the internet will become locked down. | Nov 05 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart makes the world worse | Nov 05 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | it impoverishes people and disempowers workers in any country it does anything in | Nov 05 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | directly or indirectly | Nov 05 03:03 |
| azalyn | that's such a small concern. i'm not saying it's not important, but you seem to underestimate the damage that can be done by locked platforms. | Nov 05 03:04 |
| azalyn | computers have the potential to destroy governments, to start revolutions, to change the world for the better. | Nov 05 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not arguing for giving people that mop floors and stock shelves a super high wage, just one they can live on | Nov 05 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | if that's what they're sentenced to do for the rest of their life, at least let them have some quality of life | Nov 05 03:05 |
| azalyn | i'm not saying i don't feel bad for those people, but i'm saying we have larger battles to fight. | Nov 05 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart could afford it | Nov 05 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | and shame on us for letting them not do it | Nov 05 03:05 |
| azalyn | i would rather outsource even more work to china, rather than allow microsoft to control the future of computing. or apple for that matter. they are so much more dangerous. | Nov 05 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | Apple and Microsoft are part of the problem | Nov 05 03:06 |
| azalyn | walmart threatens our wallets, but microsoft and apple threaten our free speech. | Nov 05 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | comparing them to Walmart doesn't disregard that | Nov 05 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering which is worse | Nov 05 03:06 |
| azalyn | and free speech is more important than anything, more important than life and death. | Nov 05 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if they could both disappear tomorrow | Nov 05 03:07 |
| azalyn | losing free speech, would create a dystopian future. where our thoughts are controlled and moderated by the government. | Nov 05 03:07 |
| azalyn | have you heard of ACTA? | Nov 05 03:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The #CIA's Social Mining Department - Slashdot #opensourceintel http://goo.gl/rxArU | Nov 05 03:08 | |
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| azalyn | it's a trage agreemnt amongst 39 nations who wish to make ISPs give up info about users WITHOUT A WARRANT. | Nov 05 03:08 |
| azalyn | amongst many other things. | Nov 05 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | azalyn: ACTA is unacceptable | Nov 05 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it seems like the damage is at least contained to corporate works | Nov 05 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | it won't stop freedom of speech | Nov 05 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | it will just stain it | Nov 05 03:09 |
| azalyn | no, you're not understanding the full impact. | Nov 05 03:09 |
| azalyn | remember secure boot? | Nov 05 03:09 |
| azalyn | microsoft can extend the chain of trust of secure boot all the way into the OS | Nov 05 03:09 |
| azalyn | and one day prevent you from installing unsigned code. | Nov 05 03:09 |
| azalyn | like on iOS right now | Nov 05 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm thinking there's more hyperbole than fact behind that | Nov 05 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | HP and Dell both ship more computers between them in the US than all the other OEMs combined | Nov 05 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | and both say they will let the user disable it | Nov 05 03:10 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: that's incorrect though. the fact is that the platform allows this. you should not be so complacent. | Nov 05 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | so maybe your Linux distribution can use it | Nov 05 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | and if it can't, just turn it off | Nov 05 03:10 |
| azalyn | yes, on ALL their computers? and forever? | Nov 05 03:10 |
| azalyn | or just on high end workstations? | Nov 05 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | personally, I'd rather use it than disable it | Nov 05 03:11 |
| azalyn | in theory they can extend the chain of trust into the internet.. | Nov 05 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | but I'll try to avoid anything that doesn't let me disable it | Nov 05 03:11 |
| azalyn | and prevent unsigned websites from existing | Nov 05 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of those GPL issues would go away if distributions jsut used LILO | Nov 05 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | and signed that | Nov 05 03:12 |
| azalyn | DaemonFC: the problem is that to sign it we'd need microsoft's key. | Nov 05 03:12 |
| azalyn | and you're ignoring everything i'm saying. | Nov 05 03:12 |
| azalyn | this isn't just a bootloader issue | Nov 05 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | not necessarily | Nov 05 03:12 |
| azalyn | think about it.. | Nov 05 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | some will ship with a setup mode | Nov 05 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | in addition to turning it on or off you can put it in setup mode and install new keys | Nov 05 03:13 |
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| DaemonFC | but you won't be able to use that and comply with the GPL 3 | Nov 05 03:13 |
| azalyn | UEFI requires that the bootloader be signed... then the bootloader could require the OS to be signed... which in turn requires all drivers and applications to be signed.. | Nov 05 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | so you'd have to use GRUB Legacy or LILO | Nov 05 03:13 |
| azalyn | and which in turn IE would require the internet websites to be signed. | Nov 05 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | I think this is mainly just going to be another step to go through before installing Linux | Nov 05 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | Go into setup and flip secure boot to off | Nov 05 03:14 |
| azalyn | you're ignoring everything i'm saying. :| | Nov 05 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's enough in itself that even if every firmware allows it, it would stifle most people from trying Linux | Nov 05 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | not only because of concerns about going into the firmware setup | Nov 05 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | but by disabling something calling itself "secure boot" | Nov 05 03:15 |
| azalyn | there's another problem. hardware vendors long-term will *want* to lock linux out. | Nov 05 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Sicker boot | Nov 05 03:15 |
| azalyn | because see, microsoft can provide something that linux can. | Nov 05 03:15 |
| azalyn | err | Nov 05 03:15 |
| azalyn | linux can't** | Nov 05 03:15 |
| schestowitz | viruses | Nov 05 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | it owuld be better if they called it Verified Boot Path | Nov 05 03:16 |
| azalyn | microsoft can stop updating their OS eventually, and then people will be forced to buy a new computer. microsoft could just say "we won't allow windows 9 to work on windows 8 machines" | Nov 05 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | calling it secure boot implies that you're less safe by turning it off | Nov 05 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes but | Nov 05 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | who runs windows natively on a machine? | Nov 05 03:16 |
| azalyn | hence, microsoft can guarantee hardware vendors increased sales. | Nov 05 03:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats what virtualbox is for | Nov 05 03:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohohohoho | Nov 05 03:16 |
| schestowitz | "tivo mode" | Nov 05 03:16 |
| azalyn | and many will start to be happy to lock linux out. | Nov 05 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and vendors dont give a shit about windows anymore | Nov 05 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're all busy trying to figure out how to sell osx | Nov 05 03:17 |
| azalyn | in order to force obsolescence of hardware. | Nov 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I don't always want see the kernel panic screen, but when I do, I use Virtualbox | Nov 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 05 03:17 |
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| Diablo-D3 | you think the osxification of ubuntu was on accident? | Nov 05 03:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was almost 90% of the deal dell gave shuttlecock | Nov 05 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | stay thirsty my friends | Nov 05 03:17 |
| azalyn | the only unity thing i like are the new scrollbars. | Nov 05 03:18 |
| azalyn | although that's not unity | Nov 05 03:18 |
| azalyn | it's gtk i think, or something | Nov 05 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | I abhor almost every single thing about Unity | Nov 05 03:18 |
| azalyn | i use the mousewheel most of the time anyways. | Nov 05 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I can't figure out is which thing they did to GNOME I hate worse | Nov 05 03:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its gtk3 | Nov 05 03:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember, unity is just the shell | Nov 05 03:19 |
| azalyn | gnome shell is now javascript based, so yeah. | Nov 05 03:19 |
| azalyn | anyone can change it. | Nov 05 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | real gnome3 is gnome3, gtk3, and gnome shell | Nov 05 03:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | unity just replaces gnome shell with a much shittier thing | Nov 05 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2011&image=ubuntu_beefy_jono1_show&w=1920 | Nov 05 03:20 |
| azalyn | hm, is that why some dialogs are all grey in ubuntu? maybe those are the new gtk3 dialogs or something.. | Nov 05 03:20 |
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| DaemonFC | oh my god | Nov 05 03:20 |
| azalyn | or maybe the reverse is true.. | Nov 05 03:20 |
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| azalyn | i have a bunch of non-themed gtk dialogs in oneiric ocelot | Nov 05 03:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably gtk2 dialogs | Nov 05 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | on my box its the opposite | Nov 05 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | gtk2 are themed, qt and gtk3 are the default basic ugly theme | Nov 05 03:24 |
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| azalyn | well, maybe we have the same bug then. not sure why you said "probably gtk2" when you're experiencing a similar issue. | Nov 05 03:29 |
| azalyn | i haven't tried any qt apps, i don't think so anyways.. | Nov 05 03:29 |
| azalyn | so i'm not sure if they're themed or not. | Nov 05 03:29 |
| azalyn | is there a bug report for this? | Nov 05 03:29 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I installed the Malware Domains adblock plus list on Dave's computer | Nov 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | and hid Internet Explorer and disabled it with the Windows XP Security Policy Editor | Nov 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | hasn't had a malware infestation since I did that | Nov 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Nov 05 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy to disable Internet Explorer, tell the security policy editor that iexplore.exe is not allwoed to run | Nov 05 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I also blacklisted Adobe Flash ActiveX from installing | Nov 05 03:40 |
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| DaemonFC | they're missing a KDE spin | Nov 05 04:36 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not ready yet? | Nov 05 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | I guess | Nov 05 04:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Falling asleep... 2159 words. Tomorrow is another !NaNoWriMo day. Good night !Identiverse :) !tzaf | Nov 05 06:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 50 Companies Team to Create Open Source EV - http://bit.ly/uMjXeK and so it spreads #openhardware | Nov 05 09:47 | |
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| iophk | "This means that it would be possible to switch over to an alternate operating system on a brand new machine that has never been booted." But not on machines that have been used for a while. | Nov 05 12:28 |
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| gulzar | is there any distro wiithout mono in default installation? | Nov 05 13:08 |
| MinceR | there's Fedora | Nov 05 13:09 |
| gulzar | MiceR : I am waiting for 16 . That's Ok but any other? I was not able to find one.... :( | Nov 05 13:13 |
| gulzar | MinceR: sorry for wrong spellings | Nov 05 13:13 |
| gulzar | MinceR: out of abt 200 distros on distrowatch is there only one without mono infection? | Nov 05 13:14 |
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| MinceR | i suspect there are plenty | Nov 05 13:15 |
| MinceR | especially the ones what don't have gnome or unity as the default desktop environment | Nov 05 13:15 |
| MinceR | but it's rarely advertised one way or the other | Nov 05 13:16 |
| gulzar | MinceR: ummm Ok. That's right. I wanted a distro with grub2 and without mono. And till fedora 16 seems to be only hope. Actually I am using Linux on my external HDD so Grub2. Let's wait for few for days :) | Nov 05 13:17 |
| MinceR | or install the beta :> | Nov 05 13:20 |
| cubezzz | come now there's lots of other distros | Nov 05 13:25 |
| cubezzz | openbsd for one | Nov 05 13:25 |
| cubezzz | debian | Nov 05 13:26 |
| MinceR | debian installs mono by default if you install the gui task | Nov 05 13:27 |
| cubezzz | oh didn't know that | Nov 05 13:27 |
| cubezzz | did debian lenny have mono? | Nov 05 13:27 |
| MinceR | not sure | Nov 05 13:28 |
| MinceR | but it came from gnome dependencies | Nov 05 13:28 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: like? | Nov 05 13:28 |
| cubezzz | ok openbsd, haiku, plan 9, bl3, umm | Nov 05 13:28 |
| cubezzz | probably slitaz, but I'm not positive about that one | Nov 05 13:29 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: ye Debian and based ditsros are infected | Nov 05 13:29 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: openbsd is OK. but I want latest 9 so have to wait | Nov 05 13:29 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: something bigger with more apps, slitaz is too small | Nov 05 13:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] Jupps, wir sind viel zu Abhängig vom Öl und diese Zapfsäulen können uns abknöpfen was sie wollen. | Nov 05 13:30 | |
| gulzar | cubezzz: lenny is safe but not squeeze | Nov 05 13:30 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Nov 05 13:30 |
| cubezzz | Lenny was the last debian I used | Nov 05 13:30 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: gud better to avoid them | Nov 05 13:30 |
| MinceR | if only i could find my notes on the distros i tried... | Nov 05 13:31 |
| cubezzz | well there's always LFS | Nov 05 13:31 |
| cubezzz | Yggdrasil :) | Nov 05 13:31 |
| gulzar | MinceR: ??? which one? | Nov 05 13:32 |
| MinceR | mageia | Nov 05 13:32 |
| MinceR | kororaa (probably) | Nov 05 13:32 |
| cubezzz | I was told nothing in Gnome has a hard dependency on mono | Nov 05 13:32 |
| cubezzz | yum remove mono-core | Nov 05 13:32 |
| MinceR | there's no hard dependency in debian | Nov 05 13:32 |
| gulzar | MinceR: it is KDE based forked from Mandriva... as far as I know but similar project PClinux OS is also there with gud apps and better support | Nov 05 13:33 |
| MinceR | gnome depends on tomboy but that can be fulfilled via gnote | Nov 05 13:33 |
| MinceR | however, the installer does not do that by default and does not let you choose | Nov 05 13:33 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: right gnome is free till date but debian is not | Nov 05 13:33 |
| MinceR | so if you do an install that includes the gui, it will install tomboy, which pulls in mono | Nov 05 13:33 |
| MinceR | then you can replace it with gnote and remove mono | Nov 05 13:33 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Nov 05 13:33 |
| gulzar | MinceR: right... | Nov 05 13:33 |
| MinceR | afaict tomboy is an official component of gnome currently | Nov 05 13:33 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, except if you run old debian | Nov 05 13:34 |
| cubezzz | as I run a lot of old stuff | Nov 05 13:34 |
| MinceR | well yes, old stuff is another way | Nov 05 13:34 |
| gulzar | MinceR: and tomboy being like this is due to NOVELL beacuse they develop gnome?? My guess | Nov 05 13:34 |
| MinceR | it's due to a couple of people who try everything to make GNU/Linux depend on mono | Nov 05 13:34 |
| MinceR | and some more people who think that mono is safe despite all evidence to the contrary | Nov 05 13:35 |
| cubezzz | ah, and vintage computers too | Nov 05 13:35 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 500, IBM 4341, and a ton of others | Nov 05 13:35 |
| gulzar | MinceR: but as such with Win8 MS is moving towards HTML5 and is not intereted in .net then why to promote it in Linux | Nov 05 13:35 |
| MinceR | because .net depends on software patents m$ owns and could use to attack GNU/Linux | Nov 05 13:36 |
| MinceR | and i doubt that m$ is moving towards HTML5, it's more likely they're moving towards m$HTML5 | Nov 05 13:36 |
| cubezzz | apt-get remove mono-common | Nov 05 13:36 |
| cubezzz | or LFS.... crazy but hardcore | Nov 05 13:36 |
| gulzar | MinceR: Oh right its M$HTML5 | Nov 05 13:37 |
| MinceR | or you can install debian without gui and then install whatever desktop environment you want by hand, and watch out for mono | Nov 05 13:37 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Nov 05 13:37 |
| cubezzz | that's not a bad idea | Nov 05 13:37 |
| gulzar | MinceR: umm debian 6 comes with Ooo default | Nov 05 13:38 |
| cubezzz | gulzar, why wait on openbsd? You can run 4.9, 4.8 etc | Nov 05 13:38 |
| cubezzz | I'm running 4.7 on this box | Nov 05 13:38 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: which type it is ? Rolling, partial rooling or static? | Nov 05 13:39 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: I tested freebsd 8 and is waiting for 9. From net I get to know that freebsd has more apps . | Nov 05 13:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @mgraesslin BoxSwitch effect redone in QML: http://ur1.ca/5nc52 | Nov 05 13:40 | |
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| cubezzz | I'm not sure, openbsd 4.7 seems static, but there's ports | Nov 05 13:40 |
| cubezzz | plenty of apps in ports | Nov 05 13:40 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: lets see . I will try . Is GPRS network supported? | Nov 05 13:41 |
| cubezzz | packet radio? Never tried that... some day I'll get into that | Nov 05 13:41 |
| cubezzz | no VHF antenna these days | Nov 05 13:42 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: I will test it | Nov 05 13:43 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: freebsd 5 is released | Nov 05 13:46 |
| cubezzz | openbsd you mean? | Nov 05 13:47 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: Oh yes Openbsd | Nov 05 13:47 |
| cubezzz | I'm happy with 4.7 still | Nov 05 13:47 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: I was searching for comparison so confused.... now downloading it | Nov 05 13:47 |
| cubezzz | yeah well it's fun to try different distros | Nov 05 13:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #GNOME Shell Now Works With Software Rendering! http://ur1.ca/5mmym #linux | Nov 05 13:48 | |
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| schestowitz | The news about mono being removed is the live video feeds and discussion that followes | Nov 05 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Any news item about it yet? | Nov 05 14:03 |
| gulzar | schestowitz: where is it? | Nov 05 14:05 |
| schestowitz | the news? | Nov 05 14:06 |
| schestowitz | the feed? | Nov 05 14:06 |
| gulzar | cubezzz: openbsd is using grub legacy 0.9 and not grub2. Umm but I need grub2 for portability | Nov 05 14:06 |
| schestowitz | seb watched it | Nov 05 14:06 |
| gulzar | schestowitz: link? | Nov 05 14:06 |
| gulzar | schestowitz: anything abt it? | Nov 05 14:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] File Transfer [IMG] http://xkcd.com/949/ | Nov 05 14:08 | |
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| cubezzz | had the internet for decades? | Nov 05 14:10 |
| cubezzz | that's true I suppose | Nov 05 14:11 |
| cubezzz | Canada had telidon in the late 1970's | Nov 05 14:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google mulls divorcing Chamber of Commerce - http://politi.co/tE4Kmc "mulls"? just do it #eparasite | Nov 05 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Android/Linux Unstoppable in Phones http://ur1.ca/5neyl #linux | Nov 05 14:11 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android/Linux Smart Phones Blow Past the Competition at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 31.98 KB | Nov 05 14:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody Google mulls divorcing Chamber of Commerce - http://politi.co/tE4Kmc "mulls"? just do it #eparasite | Nov 05 14:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google mulls divorcing Chamber of Commerce - Jennifer Martinez - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 99.16 KB | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | http://nehandaradio.com/2011/11/05/one-man-protester-forced-to-eat-mugabe-faeces/ | Nov 05 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: One man protester forced to eat 'Mugabe faeces' | Nehanda Radio .::. Size~: 45.45 KB | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Apparently Mugabe is happy to see this.. | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | What a POS | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | gulzar: we wrote about it in techrights last night | Nov 05 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't think the video is online in statis mode yet, and if it is, we don't quite know where | Nov 05 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Ryan found some thread discussing it | Nov 05 14:14 |
| schestowitz | But late on Friday Orlando time means journalists are off | Nov 05 14:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is Open Source Innovative? - http://bit.ly/ryd80Y good piece from a few days ago #innovation #opensource | Nov 05 14:15 | |
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| gulzar | schestowitz: OMG OMG Ubuntu.... pffff that's a relief. Let's pray it will be implemented. | Nov 05 14:16 |
| gulzar | schestowitz: wait a sec You are ROY. Right? | Nov 05 14:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Citizendium turns five, but the #Wikipedia fork is dead in the water - http://bit.ly/vfHtJa an important experiment...that failed | Nov 05 14:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Stop the Internet Blacklist Legislation http://ur1.ca/5mzvs #fsf | Nov 05 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Almost 20,000 signatures collected by the #FSF regarding #UEFI so far | Nov 05 14:18 | |
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| gulzar | Dr. Roy Schestowitz . Nice to meet you. I have read many articles and in-fact came to know about mono from you. Thank You for your contribution :) | Nov 05 14:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @schestowitz Stop the Internet Blacklist Legislation http://ur1.ca/5mzvs #fsf | Nov 05 14:20 | |
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| gulzar | schestowitz: are you there? | Nov 05 14:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] LinuxCon Europe Pics Available Now http://is.gd/2HPubW http://ur1.ca/5nf3u #Linux #kernel | Nov 05 14:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The 2011 Kernel Summit [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 10.87 KB | Nov 05 14:25 |
| schestowitz | gulzar: thanks for the encouraging news | Nov 05 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I'm here, just reading sokme news and sharing more important links | Nov 05 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Been doing this for many years to help the FOSS cause | Nov 05 14:25 |
| schestowitz | [14:16] <gulzar> schestowitz: OMG OMG Ubuntu.... pffff that's a relief. Let's pray it will be implemented. | Nov 05 14:26 |
| gulzar | schestowitz: nice. umm may I get your email ID? | Nov 05 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I asked seb several tims to be absolutely sure it's happening | Nov 05 14:26 |
| gulzar | schestowitz: OMG ubuntu confirmed it | Nov 05 14:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] In the same way, penetration hacking (the kind we object to being called hacking) is op | Nov 05 14:26 | |
| gulzar | schestowitz: seb? who is it? | Nov 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz | And then ryan had arguments with mono boosters, which helped confirm that this was happening unless they now reverse a decision already made verbally (seb dropped some quotes into the channel) | Nov 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz | seb is usually here at nighttime | Nov 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/09/24/techbytes-episode-61/ | Nov 05 14:27 |
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| gulzar | schestowitz: Ok got it | Nov 05 14:29 |
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| iophk | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/banshee-tomboy-and-mono-dropped-from-ubuntu-12-04-cd/ | Nov 05 14:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Banshee, Tomboy And Mono Dropped from Ubuntu 12.04 CD .::. Size~: 33.54 KB | Nov 05 14:38 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Nov 05 14:39 |
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| iophk | Debian next? | Nov 05 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | I guess | Nov 05 14:45 |
| schestowitz | One of the old pro-Mono argument is that Ubuntu has it | Nov 05 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Fedora got rid of it in Fedora 10 | Nov 05 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Partly, I believe, due to pressure that our side reinforced at the time | Nov 05 14:46 |
| iophk | Is Mono still gone from Fedora? | Nov 05 14:47 |
| schestowitz | All except a test version | Nov 05 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Never in finals | Nov 05 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Was it Rhohide? | Nov 05 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm not good with names like that.. | Nov 05 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Seee DIstroWatch table | Nov 05 14:47 |
| schestowitz | On the "Mono" row | Nov 05 14:47 |
| cubezzz | I can report it's not in fc1 :) | Nov 05 14:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Arrests at #GoldmanSachs Sit-In Occupy Wall St Nov 3 2011 http://ur1.ca/5nfkn new real criminakls arrested | Nov 05 15:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Arrests at Goldman Sachs Sit-In Occupy Wall St Nov 3 2011 - YouTube .::. Size~: 103.58 KB | Nov 05 15:00 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/185:jennifer-cloer/503894:linuxcon-europe-pics-available-now | Nov 05 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 15:02 |
| schestowitz | iophk: that wiki page about removing mono from 11.10... last such manual | Nov 05 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Problem fixed at the root | Nov 05 15:03 |
| iophk | Yes. Finally. Almost at the root, Debian needs cleaning. | Nov 05 15:03 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84944335 | Nov 05 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 14:46:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Success Against Mono http://ur1.ca/5nff6 now confirmed: Mono won't be in next #Ubuntu | Nov 05 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84943438 | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 14:01:59 UTC - Identi.ca: Nokia to let go Qt ownership http://ur1.ca/5neu0 impacts #kde | Nov 05 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84943231 | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 13:51:39 UTC - Identi.ca: OpenOffice4Kids (OOo4Kids) - What has changed? http://ur1.ca/5nepp #odf #openoffice | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: OpenOffice4Kids (OOo4Kids) - What has changed? .::. Size~: 11.65 KB | Nov 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84944585 http://identi.ca/notice/84944533 http://identi.ca/notice/84944455 http://identi.ca/notice/84943780 | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 14:58:12 UTC - Identi.ca: 21 things that #Windows users need and #Linux users probably needn't http://ur1.ca/5nfk8 #gnu | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: 21 Free Apps to Keep Your PC Healthy .::. Size~: 106.69 KB | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 14:55:31 UTC - Identi.ca: The end of (Apache) Harmony http://ur1.ca/5nfj1 #apache | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: The end of (Apache) Harmony - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.35 KB | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 14:52:11 UTC - Identi.ca: GParted Live update supports Btrfs resizing http://is.gd/z3mEhR http://is.gd/kRu5dh #gparted #gnu #linux | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: GParted Live update supports Btrfs resizing - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.88 KB | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: GParted Live CD 0.10.0-3 Can Detect exFAT - Softpedia .::. Size~: 47.09 KB | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 14:19:52 UTC - Identi.ca: Over 1 Million Views for "NO to ACTA!" Video! Now, take Action! http://is.gd/KSWRB2 #acta | Nov 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Over 1 Million Views for "NO to ACTA!" Video! Now, take Action! | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 29.02 KB | Nov 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/747634 "Hopefully it's better than the ReiserFS 'support' for resizing. I had to reinstall #Gentoo after doing that a few years back." | Nov 05 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz | iophk: http://twitter.com/kabatology/status/132832748036571139?iid=am-193306946213205047698945604&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Nov 05 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @kabatology: @schestowitz kudos, you've been fighting for this for long now. | Nov 05 15:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Time for coffee. http://ur1.ca/5nfrx | Nov 05 15:13 | |
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| iophk | congratulations | Nov 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/747599 "Good news he!" | Nov 05 15:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | ne of my landlines is not working properly | Nov 05 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Now reported by two people | Nov 05 15:25 |
| schestowitz | This is pretty bad, explains why some business calls can't get through | Nov 05 15:25 |
| *Disconnected (). | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 5 15:45:23 2011 | ||
| OFFLINE time - merging logs | ||
| :iophk!~unknown@unaffiliated/iophk PRIVMSG #techrights :congratulations | ||
| :schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :https://joindiaspora.com/posts/747599 "Good news he!" | ||
| :schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :ne of my landlines is not working properly | ||
| :schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :Now reported by two people | ||
| :schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :This is pretty bad, explains why some business calls can't get through | ||
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| :TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @glynmoody Too Controversial: Pirate Party Banned From Gaming Exhibition - http://bit.ly/tfXH5J << democracy under attack /v @ghostdancer | ||
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| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :schestowitz: Uh Roy | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Or _roy | ||
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| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :hey roy_ | ||
| :roy_!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :yeah | ||
| :roy_!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :i'm tesing my line | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Why do you look so pissed in http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/schestowitz-2011.png ? | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :srs roy is srs | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :But he is supposed to be reacting to mono being removed | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :needs more glorious.jpg | ||
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| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Diablo-D3: roy_: I thought it would be more like http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2008/09/10/toofs.jpg | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5hDFu2z_gtY/S-wAoYvGYwI/AAAAAAAAALg/iNenWPaQPUk/s1600/GLORIOUS.jpg | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :no, more like that | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Diablo-D3: Yes, that how he actually looked. | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :roy isnt kawaii enough to pull it off | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :needs pigtails. | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2130/horray.jpg | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :!google star wars return of the jedi ending | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :!google star wars return of the jedi original ending | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :http://m.chanarchive.org/content/2_v/110862261/1316495549844.jpg | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :maybe a bit of that. | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :WIN: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100831231920/funnyjunk/images/3/35/FUCK_YEAH.JPG | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/schestowitz-2011.png | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100831231920/funnyjunk/images/3/35/FUCK_YEAH.JPG | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Matches perfectly. | ||
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| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :XFaCE: roy just isnt cool enough | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :and he needs to shave | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :either grow a beard, or shave | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :none of this half assed shit | ||
| :adams.freenode.net 482 TechrightsBot-tr #techrights :You're not a channel operator | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Diablo-D3: His exercised strength could split us in half | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :bwhahaha | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :ROY IS NOT CREDIT TO TEAM | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :OOH, SANDVICH | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM | ||
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| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :Diablo-D3: Err, didn't he put up body-building pics? | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :who knows | ||
| :XFaCE!~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface PRIVMSG #techrights :of course he would eat a lot | ||
| :Diablo-D3!~diablo@pool-64-223-229-186.port.east.myfairpoint.net PRIVMSG #techrights :I never look at his pics | ||
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 5 15:45:38 2011 | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Wed Sep 22 21:19:38 2010 | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| -MemoServ-You have 1 new memo. | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| -MemoServ-To read them, type /msg MemoServ READ NEW | Nov 05 15:45 | |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: roy just isnt cool enough | Nov 05 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and he needs to shave | Nov 05 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | either grow a beard, or shave | Nov 05 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | none of this half assed shit | Nov 05 15:45 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: His exercised strength could split us in half | Nov 05 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwhahaha | Nov 05 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | ROY IS NOT CREDIT TO TEAM | Nov 05 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | OOH, SANDVICH | Nov 05 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM | Nov 05 15:47 |
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| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Err, didn't he put up body-building pics? | Nov 05 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | who knows | Nov 05 15:47 |
| XFaCE | of course he would eat a lot | Nov 05 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never look at his pics | Nov 05 15:47 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Stop being passive-aggressive | Nov 05 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats an odd way to spell troll | Nov 05 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks I was looking for a official canonical/ubuntu statement " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/743372 | Nov 05 15:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 15:51 |
| MinceR | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/aww-yea-guy | Nov 05 15:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden | Nov 05 15:51 |
| schestowitz | I've checked with BT and did some tests on this line. In all cases it was not possible to spot a fault, so not much success there. | Nov 05 15:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jGuH2XxQaLndlUL9ZyCHrblyaUKA?docId=f68575549db04fcf992161e4bcbbb191 | Nov 05 15:53 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: http://image.bayimg.com/kakabaadn.jpg | Nov 05 15:53 |
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| XFaCE | It works in every circumstance! | Nov 05 15:54 |
| XFaCE | "Roy calls Michael out" http://image.bayimg.com/kakabaadn.jpg | Nov 05 15:55 |
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| XFaCE | "Roy makes Microsoft bawwww." http://image.bayimg.com/kakabaadn.jpg | Nov 05 15:55 |
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| XFaCE | lol | Nov 05 15:55 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I have feeling I may have not taken the best course of action | Nov 05 15:59 |
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| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: that semes to be a theme with you. | Nov 05 16:01 |
| XFaCE | semes = suggestting a meme? | Nov 05 16:04 |
| XFaCE | bad grammar, yeaaaahhhh! | Nov 05 16:04 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Only when I'm tired. | Nov 05 16:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Dangerous Crossroads: #UK military steps up plans for #Iran attack - #usa #israel #stateterrorism #nato http://goo.gl/oYeOf | Nov 05 16:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @log0ut Say NO to !ACTA ! ~ http://ur1.ca/5jes5 | Nov 05 16:12 | |
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| XFaCE | Andy Rooney dead at 92, 1 month after retiring http://gawker.com/5856676/andy-rooney-dead-at-92-one-month-after-retiring | Nov 05 16:22 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 05 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | "Novell Productions" | Nov 05 16:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD5MoKE8Ndg&feature=youtube_gdata | Nov 05 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Might be a trademark violation | Nov 05 16:25 |
| cubezzz | new complaint: abode digital editions | Nov 05 16:28 |
| cubezzz | locks out linux users | Nov 05 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Death celebration today | Nov 05 16:29 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Don't seem to have a website | Nov 05 16:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That'd be my guess. | Nov 05 16:29 | |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Please elaborate? | Nov 05 16:29 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: Mono? | Nov 05 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: no | Nov 05 16:29 |
| cubezzz | XFaCE, ebooks that use Adobe DRM | Nov 05 16:29 |
| cubezzz | the software is win/mac only | Nov 05 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: well in the UK anyway what I just said | Nov 05 16:30 |
| sebsebseb | or an excuse for bonfire and firworks, depending on how you want to look at it | Nov 05 16:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Vendors-panic-as-floods-cause-hard-disk-shortages/?kc=rss | Nov 05 16:30 |
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| sebsebseb | Also Doctor Who has some sort of Bonfire night game it seems | Nov 05 16:31 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84945928 http://identi.ca/notice/84945859 | Nov 05 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 16:16:08 UTC - Identi.ca: How Andy Rubin kept #Android open-source at its heart http://ur1.ca/5nghk | Nov 05 16:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 16:10:25 UTC - Identi.ca: In USA, Government follows YOU. http://is.gd/moez2x http://is.gd/PlPcqQ #privacy | Nov 05 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: there won't be many fires around my neighbourhood | Nov 05 16:32 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] ACTA is terrorism http://identi.ca/url/56428186 | Nov 05 16:32 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Oh? | Nov 05 16:32 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well there will be a bonfire here later, and fire works | Nov 05 16:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anwyay really Bonfire night celebrates someones death, said something like this to my Mum earlier even | Nov 05 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | yes he was going to do something pretty bad, but still | Nov 05 16:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/non-linux-foss-telephone << odd selection for LJ | Nov 05 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: will you go to a fire? | Nov 05 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep probably | Nov 05 16:34 |
| schestowitz | It's something as enjoy as kids | Nov 05 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | and to see fireworsk | Nov 05 16:34 |
| schestowitz | As adults we might take kids there | Nov 05 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well yes | Nov 05 16:35 |
| sebsebseb | indeed it's something to enjoy each year | Nov 05 16:35 |
| schestowitz | But just going there adults alone is a bit pointless | Nov 05 16:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 05 16:35 |
| sebsebseb | it's still really a celebration of someones death as well | Nov 05 16:35 |
| schestowitz | It's going to be a clear sky tonight here.. based on the weather forecast | Nov 05 16:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok so you going to something for bonfire night then? | Nov 05 16:36 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 05 16:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: seems I'll be going with my little brother and Dad this year | Nov 05 16:36 |
| schestowitz | it'll be a good weather for it | Nov 05 16:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] IT'S #CAPSTURDAY! ♻ @telecomix: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=:) <- jellyfish over nyan thousand. #ascii #caturday | Nov 05 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] OH AND REMEMBER TO SPREAD #DATALAUGH TODAY @telecomix :D | Nov 05 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why #linux [IMG] http://ur1.ca/5nhk0 | Nov 05 16:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 16:42 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Or as someone said in another channel: you mean waste as many combustibles and explosives night | Nov 05 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | and well yeah that's another way to look at it | Nov 05 16:43 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: ACTA is the most vile thing you could think of in Gov | Nov 05 16:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | isnt that what I just said? | Nov 05 16:45 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I'm just adding emphasisi | Nov 05 16:46 |
| XFaCE | :) | Nov 05 16:46 |
| Faither | What about PROTECT-IP Act or SOPA? | Nov 05 16:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Faither: small fries. | Nov 05 16:47 |
| Faither | But they also tie into acta, don't they? | Nov 05 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Heyn faither | Nov 05 16:48 |
| schestowitz | we need to protect IP | Nov 05 16:48 |
| Faither | Hiya schestowitz | Nov 05 16:48 |
| schestowitz | And be PATRIOTs | Nov 05 16:48 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 05 16:48 |
| XFaCE | Faither: Imagine those two bills made worse and implemented GLOBALLY | Nov 05 16:48 |
| schestowitz | litigation as"protection" | Nov 05 16:48 |
| *schestowitz loves the sight of silly euphemism | Nov 05 16:48 | |
| schestowitz | Faither: NATO "l;liberated" Libya | Nov 05 16:48 |
| schestowitz | It bombed the **** out of em | Nov 05 16:49 |
| Faither | acta even has euphemism in its name | Nov 05 16:49 |
| Faither | the TA part | Nov 05 16:49 |
| XFaCE | Faither: At least if such nonsense is restrained to the US, they will only be hurting themselves (not counting collateral) | Nov 05 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Or the T in WTO | Nov 05 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Or the W in WB | Nov 05 16:49 |
| Faither | schestowitz: true | Nov 05 16:50 |
| schestowitz | or I in IMF | Nov 05 16:50 |
| schestowitz | ^-^ | Nov 05 16:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @brashley46 Canadian activist 'roughed up' when ship to Gaza taken over by Israeli troops - Winnipeg Free Press - http://to.ly/bnGP.. ... | Nov 05 16:50 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, got Adobe Digital Editions working in wine | Nov 05 16:52 |
| Faither | schestowitz: I liked this t-shirt: US world domination tour, bombing a country near you | Nov 05 16:52 |
| cubezzz | still in the experimental stage | Nov 05 16:52 |
| cubezzz | flash based :-/ | Nov 05 16:54 |
| Faither | cubezzz: sukz -.- | Nov 05 16:54 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Nov 05 16:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] VMware out, Twitter in at Java executive committee election http://is.gd/IpjGPJ #vmware led by former MSFT execs | Nov 05 17:00 | |
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| cubezzz | ha. so that's how they do it | Nov 05 17:05 |
| cubezzz | well I figured that new books would have DRM | Nov 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84946811 | Nov 05 17:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 17:00:41 UTC - Identi.ca: Project Proposal: JFX http://ur1.ca/5jbyu #openjdk #java | Nov 05 17:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The Christian church was always in direct conflict with the Celtic Wiccan religion, but Code of Hamurabi reveals even earlier wizard bashing | Nov 05 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] < since social media makes procrastination just TOO easy, I'm now unplugging !amwriting !NaNoWriMo ... see y'all on the next break :D | Nov 05 17:10 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/84947165 http://identi.ca/notice/84947314 | Nov 05 17:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Mikael (inscius)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 17:20:40 UTC - Identi.ca: George Formby, too http://ur1.ca/5nhzf | Nov 05 17:27 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Nov-11 17:25:59 UTC - Identi.ca: Links 5/11/2011: LinuxCon Europe Photos, Plasma Workspaces 4.8 http://ur1.ca/5ni24 #techrights | Nov 05 17:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 5/11/2011: LinuxCon Europe Photos, Plasma Workspaces 4.8 http://ur1.ca/5ni24 #techrights | Nov 05 17:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good ideas on moving complex IT into the cloud - http://ur1.ca/5ni64 | Nov 05 17:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] We have updated the English user manual. Check it out: https://www.torproject.org/dist/manual/short-user-manual_en.xhtml | Nov 05 17:39 | |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.cornelius-schumacher.de/2011/10/demise-of-windows-platform.html | Nov 05 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | the patent plot has not succeeded for Microsoft, either | Nov 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Android is expanding | Nov 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://openleadership.blogspot.com/2010/03/after-chemnitzer-linuxtage-2010.html | Nov 05 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-you-think-that-money-is-root-of-all.html | Nov 05 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | weid rant from a mono booster | Nov 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | "Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?" | Nov 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Either he's against OWS or thinks FOSS is against money.. | Nov 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | no sure.. | Nov 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Some people try these lines to justify proprietary s/w, like what Xamarin does | Nov 05 18:07 |
| iophk | That's an old troll, there are plenty of ways to make money from FOSS. You do it daily. | Nov 05 18:08 |
| Faither | from your summary it seems he's missing the point of foss | Nov 05 18:08 |
| azalyn | money is not evil by itself. an object cannot be evil. nuclear weapons aren't 'evil' either. | Nov 05 18:08 |
| azalyn | however, money *encourages* evil. | Nov 05 18:08 |
| azalyn | it rewards evil. | Nov 05 18:08 |
| azalyn | bad people who do bad things are rewarded for their actions because money exists. | Nov 05 18:09 |
| Faither | azalyn: it nurtures greed which leads to evil | Nov 05 18:09 |
| cubezzz | greed is evil | Nov 05 18:09 |
| cubezzz | money isn't | Nov 05 18:09 |
| azalyn | Faither: isn't that what i just said pretty much? :P | Nov 05 18:09 |
| azalyn | only with different words. | Nov 05 18:09 |
| cubezzz | "the love of money is the root of all evil" | Nov 05 18:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good sessions at FUDcon Pune, now on my way home. SQ423 here I come. | Nov 05 18:10 | |
| Faither | azalyn: was a bit fuzzy around the lines ^^ | Nov 05 18:10 |
| azalyn | cubezzz: the mere existence of money encourages greed however. | Nov 05 18:10 |
| MinceR | money is a tool | Nov 05 18:11 |
| MinceR | and if it didn't exist, resources in other form would still take its place | Nov 05 18:11 |
| MinceR | you can hoard value without money | Nov 05 18:11 |
| cubezzz | anyways, earning a living obviously is not evil | Nov 05 18:12 |
| cubezzz | we probably aren't subsistence farmers | Nov 05 18:12 |
| Faither | cubezzz: speaking of which I have to farm the grocery store xD | Nov 05 18:13 |
| MinceR | with "evil" money? | Nov 05 18:13 |
| azalyn | MinceR: not really. scarcity the norm when a society is technologically weak, and miners have to work hard to extract resources. as technology progresses, and more automation comes into play, resources become abundant, and lose value. | Nov 05 18:13 |
| Faither | MinceR: OMG you got me! | Nov 05 18:14 |
| MinceR | azalyn: so does money, then | Nov 05 18:14 |
| MinceR | money isn't magic | Nov 05 18:14 |
| Faither | anyway bbl ^^ | Nov 05 18:14 |
| cubezzz | yup, Faither's going to have to use some moola at the grocery store :) | Nov 05 18:14 |
| azalyn | MinceR: indeed. which is why money will eventually become obsolete. even now we see the problems. | Nov 05 18:14 |
| azalyn | we are essentially facing the beginning of the end at the moment. | Nov 05 18:14 |
| azalyn | (for money and capitalism) | Nov 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | [18:09] <cubezzz> "the love of money is the root of all evil" | Nov 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Putting money before people is the root of all evil | Nov 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | I see it when people speak to me about how their bosses misread them | Nov 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Causing them stress | Nov 05 18:16 |
| cubezzz | well I'm all for improving things | Nov 05 18:16 |
| azalyn | the current economic system is also completely incapable of attacking large projects. like space elevators for example. in theory we have the technology to begin working on space colonization.. but money stands in the way, the projects simply cost far too much to make a return on investment. | Nov 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | When people are treated like apparatus for one to make money with... like pimping, bar the sex | Nov 05 18:16 |
| azalyn | and cost even more than the government's ability to fund them. | Nov 05 18:16 |
| azalyn | health care is also rapidly becoming unfundable. | Nov 05 18:17 |
| azalyn | pharma corporations have already realized that investing money in cures/vaccines is not profitable in the least. | Nov 05 18:17 |
| azalyn | so they instead invest in drugs to treat the symptoms.. | Nov 05 18:17 |
| azalyn | not to cure or vaccinate. | Nov 05 18:17 |
| azalyn | if it wasn't for this fact, we'd probably already have cured AIDS, or at the very least, we'd be much closer than we are. | Nov 05 18:18 |
| azalyn | there is no economic incentive to cure the sick. so how can a private healthcare and pharmaceutical industry work? | Nov 05 18:18 |
| azalyn | and the governments of the world are in recession and getting poorer and poorer.. so how can *they* fund healthcare in the future? | Nov 05 18:19 |
| azalyn | canada is already feeling the pressure because we're neighbors of the usa. and their privatized healthcare system affects us negatively. | Nov 05 18:19 |
| azalyn | many doctors come to study here for cheap, take advantage of our social systems, only to go to the usa to make big bucks. | Nov 05 18:20 |
| *sebsebseb wonders if this will work in Wine http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/theadventuregames/download/thegunpowderplot | Nov 05 18:22 | |
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| sebsebseb | only made for Windows and Mac OS X of course, but that's to be expected from the BBC | Nov 05 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | why did it say about outside USA the bot thing here, ah well | Nov 05 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | says it would be a fast download as well, but nope it's slow | Nov 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | azalyn: is Canadian education much cheaper? | Nov 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | my debian installation came with mono | Nov 05 18:41 |
| iophk | not good. Debian used to be the Free distro | Nov 05 18:41 |
| schestowitz | becayse GNOME is the default graphical DE | Nov 05 18:42 |
| iophk | What does Mono have to do with GNOME now? | Nov 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | I think you know | Nov 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz | or maybe your question is rhetorical? | Nov 05 18:44 |
| iophk | Rhetorical | Nov 05 18:44 |
| cubezzz | I'm not worried about mono | Nov 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | How I lLearned to Sto Worrying and Love Microsoft | Nov 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | a Novel by Miguel de Icaza | Nov 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | a Novel by Novell | Nov 05 18:45 |
| cubezzz | Peter Sellers :) | Nov 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights learned to stop worrying | Nov 05 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - ECMA | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/category/ecma/page/2/ | Nov 05 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: April 30th, 2011 | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/irc-log-techrights-30042011.html | Nov 05 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bill Gates Promotes Patent Monopolies | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/02/05/gates-fostering-monopolies/ | Nov 05 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Software Patents - Adam ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DaYHxQgl1OmE | Nov 05 18:45 |
| cubezzz | I can always bust out LFS or Plan 9 or FC1 | Nov 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I did one like this about Gates several years back.. Microsoft stopped worrying when it realised it can extort rather than make sales | Nov 05 18:46 |
| iophk | That's why Android companies need to push back. | Nov 05 18:46 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Shame this didn't work out in my older version of WIne from 2010 I guess in Mandriva 2010.2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/theadventuregames/download/thegunpowderplot was wroth at ry | Nov 05 18:48 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what I found interseting though is how it put on loads of OGG's | Nov 05 18:48 |
| cubezzz | anyways, don't bother with chapters horrible ebooks | Nov 05 18:50 |
| cubezzz | tip of the day | Nov 05 18:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64613-Linux-Open-Source-Affected-In-AMD-Cutbacks&p=237281&posted=1#post237281 | Nov 05 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC | This does remind me of when 3dfx started to go under | Nov 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | the only Windows NT support for any of their cards was a beta Windows 2000 driver that leaked before they went bankrupt that just barely works under Windows XP | Nov 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | but more than 10 years later, you can still use a Voodoo card under Linux | Nov 05 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | if AMD's GPU division went under today, Windows 8 wouldn't have support for any of their current hardware, save for if Windows 7 drivers kind of still worked | Nov 05 19:00 |
| cubezzz | or a Matrox G200 | Nov 05 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually Windows users that are taking a larger risk of hardware companies throwing their product line under the bus or going out of business | Nov 05 19:00 |
| cubezzz | or an ATI VGA wonder+ | Nov 05 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | hardware goes on for years under Linux even without the manufacturer still being around or supporting it | Nov 05 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | even doing things it was never designed to do | Nov 05 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | in Windows, you have to hope that the last proprietary driver they released still works | Nov 05 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 9x style video drivers only had kernel mode setting in the very loosest sense | Nov 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | in, Windows itself did nothing | Nov 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | the manufacturer's blob patched the kernel and ran from there | Nov 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't always work out so well | Nov 05 19:03 |
| cubezzz | goin' fire up the ol' 500 now :) | Nov 05 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's still where we are with proprietary video drivers in Linux | Nov 05 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | only it's worse | Nov 05 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | because the mode setting code it actually independent of the kernel | Nov 05 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | the kernel has no idea what is happening | Nov 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they're actually running the X server as root and running the hardware mode from there | Nov 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | the only kernel component is a framebuffer driver | Nov 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | and when you sleep or resume or change virtual terminals, anything can happen | Nov 05 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 05 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | in my case, Catalyst sometimes can't get X to restore the proper video mode and I get a blank screen | Nov 05 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | or I go to switch virtual terminals and the switch never happens and the system hangs | Nov 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201110/AMDFX8150_w82.jpg | Nov 05 19:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Nov 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | That looks usable | Nov 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | not | Nov 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2622 | Nov 05 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer Tested - Windows 8 vs. Windows 7 Performance - PCSTATS.com .::. Size~: 52.12 KB | Nov 05 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Look at all the "failed" tests under Windows 8 | Nov 05 19:07 |
| schestowitz | What's Windows 8? | Nov 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I heard it's an alias for Windows 6.2 | Nov 05 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Windows NT 6.2 | Nov 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz | aka Vista 0.2 | Nov 05 19:09 |
| Faither | microsoft's latest attempt at counting xD | Nov 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz | aha | Nov 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Nov 05 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | new math | Nov 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Linux 3.1 will be Linux 4 | Nov 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | and 3.2, which is being planned, is Linux 5 :-) | Nov 05 19:10 |
| Faither | No Way! xD | Nov 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | It sells better that way | Nov 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Yo Google, I herd you put a 2.6 kernel in your kernel | Nov 05 19:10 |
| Faither | yeah, ask mozilla how that worked out for them | Nov 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | What's Mozilla? | Nov 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I still use Thunderbird... 3.1 | Nov 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Won't move | Nov 05 19:11 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 05 19:11 |
| Faither | switched to kmail | Nov 05 19:11 |
| Faither | before the crazy started | Nov 05 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I moved from kmail to thunderbird like 6-7 years ago | Nov 05 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Not moving back to kmail, I need many plugins now, I reckon the 'updates' will break some | Nov 05 19:12 |
| MinceR | why not Linux 30 and Linux 300, respectively? | Nov 05 19:12 |
| schestowitz | !google blag versions | Nov 05 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - BLAG :: View topic - Old version of BLAG for an old laptop | http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D26896 | Nov 05 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Black Dog (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dog_(song) | Nov 05 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - GNUzilla IceCat - blag.wiki.aktivix.org | http://blag.wiki.aktivix.org/GNUzilla_IceCat | Nov 05 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - AdWords API Blog | http://adwordsapi.blogspot.com/ | Nov 05 19:12 |
| Faither | udev versioning scheme? | Nov 05 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2011-November/053764.html | Nov 05 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [ANNOUNCE] xorg-server 1.11.2 .::. Size~: 7.77 KB | Nov 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | No longer using jeremyhu@apple.com for his X.org stuff | Nov 05 19:13 |
| schestowitz | 11.11.11 11:11:11 is coming | Nov 05 19:13 |
| schestowitz | memorial day | Nov 05 19:13 |
| Faither | I'm on version 174 | Nov 05 19:13 |
| schestowitz | 11.11.11 11:11:11.111 milliseconds too.. | Nov 05 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | They let an Apple guy manage their "stable" series | Nov 05 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | and as a result, he ignores a lot of bugs and only merges what affects X11.app | Nov 05 19:14 |
| schestowitz | planes will fall from the sky and our saviour will come and do a Scotty Beam Me Up on some of us | Nov 05 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 05 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes" | Nov 05 19:15 |
| schestowitz | not funny | Nov 05 19:15 |
| schestowitz | you're be left to die | Nov 05 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I got that on a button | Nov 05 19:15 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 05 19:15 |
| schestowitz | remember that guy considers people with similar genitalia kissing to be a sin | Nov 05 19:15 |
| Faither | the pope? | Nov 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | so do his followers, who tend to have double digit IQs | Nov 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | No, all the PR agents | Nov 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | and extra chromosomes | Nov 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | The more radical elements | Nov 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | (mostly in the southern US) | Nov 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | PR agents for an entity that does not exist is like gravity on a vacuum | Nov 05 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Jesus: "The stabilizer beam isn't working, I need more power!!!" | Nov 05 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 05 19:17 |
| schestowitz | "get crankin'" | Nov 05 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | What if the Heisenberg Compensator goes out and he accidentally transports them all to Hell | Nov 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | then which group got the better deal? :) | Nov 05 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Faither: what do you think of identica of the last 1-2 months? | Nov 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | or to the mirror universe with Evil Jesus | Nov 05 19:18 |
| Faither | lots of spam, kind of sad a lot of people leaving it, laggy slow and unreliable | Nov 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | (who wears a goatee and zaps people with an Agonizer) | Nov 05 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I put a lot of effort into it, I don't want to just stuff it... | Nov 05 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Faither: are you on diaspora yet? | Nov 05 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Your Agonizer please | Nov 05 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 05 19:19 |
| Faither | schestowitz: I'm not | Nov 05 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Some former denters have had, well.. a disapora to it | Nov 05 19:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do his eyes glow and does he say "JAFFA! KREE!" | Nov 05 19:19 |
| MinceR | ? | Nov 05 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Agonizer | Nov 05 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Agonizer - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki .::. Size~: 75.52 KB | Nov 05 19:20 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like FB without the proprietary and the walled garden and the OMG ponies!!1 | Nov 05 19:20 |
| Faither | schestowitz: considered moving there but I'm kind of bored of all those social networking stuff | Nov 05 19:20 |
| schestowitz | goblin(tim)dragged me there with rsandu | Nov 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The Mirror Universe | Nov 05 19:20 |
| MinceR | http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Rod_of_Anguish | Nov 05 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rod of Anguish - Stargate Wiki .::. Size~: 61.66 KB | Nov 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | the Terran Empire | Nov 05 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Faither: right.. | Nov 05 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | humans are more like Klingons there | Nov 05 19:20 |
| Faither | schestowitz: so I heard in the podcast of yours ^^ | Nov 05 19:21 |
| schestowitz | but they're an attention vacuum these days... lots of people there | Nov 05 19:21 |
| schestowitz | some girls I meet are actually stunned i'm not in FB | Nov 05 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Rod of Anguish" | Nov 05 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think I have a new name for my.. | Nov 05 19:21 |
| schestowitz | And one can't be bothered to go into techical explanationds about it... I know people who don't know how to use E-mai... adults | Nov 05 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | uhm, back to topic | Nov 05 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 05 19:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 05 19:21 |
| Faither | my brother created a facebook account for me so he could add me to all of his games | Nov 05 19:21 |
| schestowitz | They think comms is done via "the facebook" and the :"phone txting" | Nov 05 19:22 |
| Faither | using an email address of myself I never bothered to change the password xD | Nov 05 19:22 |
| Faither | deleted it though | Nov 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | facebook is very strict about its walls | Nov 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | very much against inclusiveness | Nov 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | it's the business model | Nov 05 19:22 |
| cubefc1 | facebook is a bit boring | Nov 05 19:22 |
| schestowitz | You won't find throwaway login credentials around the web | Nov 05 19:23 |
| Faither | facebooks scares me xD | Nov 05 19:23 |
| iophk | It should | Nov 05 19:23 |
| schestowitz | and won't find ways around the walls without accounts | Nov 05 19:23 |
| Faither | been talking to the guy from europevsfacebook | Nov 05 19:23 |
| Faither | who ordered his facbook files | Nov 05 19:23 |
| schestowitz | it's more like FB vs Europe | Nov 05 19:23 |
| schestowitz | the regulation is reactionary | Nov 05 19:24 |
| schestowitz | facebook is against what the Web is | Nov 05 19:24 |
| Faither | yep but that's not what his url is, although, my thoughts exaclty | Nov 05 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I think timbl may have said somethijng to that effect too, can't recall if he referred to something else though | Nov 05 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Facebook is like a private net | Nov 05 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Remember the rumours about Google's dark web | Nov 05 19:25 |
| Faither | it sure is with censoreship and all the 'good stuff' that comes along | Nov 05 19:25 |
| schestowitz | [around 2004 or 2005] | Nov 05 19:25 |
| schestowitz | !google marissa mayer internet fast google | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google's Marissa Mayer on the location-based 'fast, fun and future ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/pda/2011/mar/12/google-maps-marisa-mayer | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google's Marissa Mayer Says Failure Is Fine But Do It Fast ... | http://thegrindstone.com/role-models/googles-marissa-mayer-says-failure-is-fine-but-do-it-fast-993/ | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google VP Marissa Mayer Has The Power To Actually “Break The ... | http://thegrindstone.com/role-models/google-vp-marissa-mayer-has-the-power-to-actually-break-the-internet/ | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The day Google's Marissa Mayer "broke the internet" - Boing Boing | http://boingboing.net/2011/07/19/the-day-googles-mari.html | Nov 05 19:25 |
| schestowitz | !google google dark web | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Invisible Web - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Web | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Blackle - Energy Saving Search | http://www.blackle.com/ | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Exploring a 'Deep Web' That Google Can't Grasp - New York Times | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/technology/internet/23search.html | Nov 05 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google Sheds Light On 'Dark Web' With PDF Search - Slashdot | http://search.slashdot.org/story/08/10/31/213254/google-sheds-light-on-dark-web-with-pdf-search | Nov 05 19:25 |
| Faither | if you want dark net there's tor and the other i2p(?) | Nov 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Faither: Facebook HR became what ICANN was never allowed to be | Nov 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | and it is run commercially, as a for profit | Nov 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | not that ICANN is all that great, either | Nov 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | or verisign | Nov 05 19:26 |
| Faither | yeh... | Nov 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I tell people, don't put photos in the walled gardens | Nov 05 19:27 |
| Faither | CAs have, in bankers language, become to huge to fail | Nov 05 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Might as well bash them down some well | Nov 05 19:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like sending peoples stuft hat requires Windows | Nov 05 19:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not respecful | Nov 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | And some governments also start playing that lingo of "social" walling | Nov 05 19:28 |
| Faither | do you also use your rights to your photos if you put them on fb? | Nov 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | !google france bans twitter facebook | Nov 05 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - French Ban Words 'Twitter' And 'Facebook' From TV, Radio | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/03/french-ban-twitter-facebook_n_871153.html | Nov 05 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - France bans Twitter, Facebook mentions on TV, in the name of ... | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/france-bans-twitter-facebook-mentions-on-tv-in-the-name-of-mar/ | Nov 05 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Twitter and Facebook reminders banned from French airwaves ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/06/france-bans-twitter-facebook-news-announcements | Nov 05 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - French ban the words 'Twitter' and 'Facebook' from being used on ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394558/French-ban-words-Twitter-Facebook-used-TV-radio.html | Nov 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Faither: I'm not sure | Nov 05 19:28 |
| Faither | schestowitz: france also banned words like computer.... | Nov 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | But I bet they have some strings to legally ban scraping of people's own albums | Nov 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | in picasa I can scrape albums | Nov 05 19:29 |
| Faither | people are supposed to use ordinateur | Nov 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | You shift to RSS view | Nov 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Then you run a recursive downloaders on the feed | Nov 05 19:29 |
| Faither | and 70% of music has to be french | Nov 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | but... | Nov 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | to download in a n00b way Google demands that you install propirtary picasa (with wine code for Linux) | Nov 05 19:30 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 05 19:30 |
| schestowitz | ordinateur? | Nov 05 19:30 |
| schestowitz | in relation to the news? | Nov 05 19:30 |
| Faither | ordinateur = french word for computer | Nov 05 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I learned this word from my former gf who was french | Nov 05 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I spent too much time on the ordinateur | Nov 05 19:30 |
| Faither | I g2 run sorry to interrupt | Nov 05 19:31 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 05 19:31 |
| schestowitz | l8ers Faither | Nov 05 19:31 |
| Faither | catch ya l8er | Nov 05 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC | CAs are still mostly "trusted" because Microsoft and Netscape decided to 10+ years ago | Nov 05 19:32 |
| schestowitz | We have scheduled ownload tonight | Nov 05 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Some trolls will probably pretend Linux failed... the server was last rebooted over 3 months ago | Nov 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla didn't even have a policy for CA trustworthiness until CACert asked to be included | Nov 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | then they drew up a nebulous procedural process that was impossible to satisfy | Nov 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | just to make it look "fair" | Nov 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | even though none of the existing ones have to go through it | Nov 05 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | they grandfathered in all the questionable shit that they already approved arbitrarily or only because Microsoft and Netscape decided to over the years | Nov 05 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | and you notice they're so trustworthy that there have been several breaches of popular ones that we know of | Nov 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/748294 | Nov 05 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | (because they don't have to report it) | Nov 05 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | in the last year alone | Nov 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | "Very long thread. Sounds like those involved are serious about the Open Sourcing of JavaFX and incorporating it into OpenJDK, I guess time will tell. That, and, Oracles motives behind the move. " | Nov 05 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I think HTTPS Everywhere is a great add-on, but it's still flawed because it's limited to corporate CAs which Firefox has approved which have no accountability to the public | Nov 05 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | including Microsoft's | Nov 05 19:35 |
| schestowitz | what about SPDY? | Nov 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | and Google's DNS servers? | Nov 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Clustered obviously | Nov 05 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know that I have any reason to distrust Google DNS more than I do AT&T's | Nov 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Google markets this as "we need fast ajax, seatch, etc. so that people use more of that" | Nov 05 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | and it is faster with less interruptions | Nov 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | The side-effect is, they make up the solutions and then get more leverage over these | Nov 05 19:37 |
| schestowitz | There's already opendns | Nov 05 19:37 |
| schestowitz | is that slow? | Nov 05 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I think techcrunch or someone benchmarked those | Nov 05 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | it has obnoxious junk | Nov 05 19:37 |
| schestowitz | same for url shorteners | Nov 05 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | and spies on you at least as much as Google does | Nov 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Google has many proxies located near every common user | Nov 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I also have DNS servers from $employer -- but I need to over them over VPN | Nov 05 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | OpenDNS error page hijacks you | Nov 05 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | to a Bing site full of ads | Nov 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | that's the business model | Nov 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | loads of businesses and applications capitalise on error | Nov 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Some browsers do the Google dance | Nov 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Mandriva did that with Ask | Nov 05 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva defaulted to Ask | Nov 05 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | but it was two clicks to get back to the real Google | Nov 05 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's more forgivable than what Linux Mint does | Nov 05 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Fake Google | Nov 05 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | hijack Opera | Nov 05 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | no user choice to get back to Real Google | Nov 05 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | IF Linux Mint defaulted to an engine they called "Google CSE" or "Linux Mint Sponsored" and also had one called Google that gave you the real Google, I wouldn't object much | Nov 05 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | they want to trap users into generating click pennies for Linux Mint even if it means using a stripped down Google without features | Nov 05 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | and they hijack browsers that they didn't make or package and steal money from them | Nov 05 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | and that's wrong | Nov 05 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | also, their main developer supports Palestinian suicide bombers | Nov 05 19:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Technical issues at !identica -- what's going on with sporadic downtime http://ur1.ca/5nkka | Nov 05 19:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Overview of technical problems with Identi.ca | StatusNet .::. Size~: 15.64 KB | Nov 05 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | and told everyone that says that's wrong to stop using Linux Mint | Nov 05 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of things with Linux Mint and their development team that disgust me | Nov 05 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not really sure I want them in charge of my computer | Nov 05 19:45 |
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| DaemonFC | because I don't trust people that do things like that | Nov 05 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't "support" Israel" or the "Palestinians" | Nov 05 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | they both do things that are unforgivable and don't deserve supporting | Nov 05 19:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is mfat with 44 dents! | Nov 05 19:48 | |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, leftist and far right wingbats ignore what either side is doing and frame it as a choice between good and bad when both sides are bad | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: agreed | Nov 05 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Richard Stallman is one of those "Palestinian suicide bomber good, Israel BAD!" idiots | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | same in many wars | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it's best to be a Switzerland ststus state | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: religion drives people mad sometimes | Nov 05 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | and then you have right wingers that say "Palestinians bad, Israel bulldozing peoples houses GOOD!!!" | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | RMS is againstrb eligion, but it's not a popular opinion in the States | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, he calls it a "bain virus" | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | a lot of wars over power and terrtory leverage religion to play the "good" vs "evil" spiel | Nov 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of what Richard Stallman says is correct and makes sense | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | When in fact they are all merely humans | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | All are cousins | Nov 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | but he has a few things that make no sense at all | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | And their closest common ancestor, IIRC, goes about 400 years back | Nov 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | he ignores Palestinian crimes and makes it sound like Israel is the only bad guy in that conflict | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Depending on who you compare | Nov 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | personally, I think we should have cut diplomatic ties with Israel long ago | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | RMS follows The Gusrdian | Nov 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the USS Liberty attack comes to mind | Nov 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | we cut ties with Iran over less | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Which in turn has its own opinions | Nov 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident | Nov 05 19:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's not a srate affair | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | The state is an instrument run by people | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | So the ties too are between people | Nov 05 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | this was hushed up as much as an Israeli sneak attack on a US ship that did not provoke them could be | Nov 05 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | We have declared war over less for that matter | Nov 05 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | seems like Israel can do no wrong | Nov 05 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | even when they cowardly murder Americans onboard a ship that didn't attack them | Nov 05 19:53 |
| MinceR | sure, but the US didn't create Iran | Nov 05 19:53 |
| MinceR | so there wasn't that much of a loss of face, was there? | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia says: "Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty" | Nov 05 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Israel is at least as much of a rogue terrorist state as Iran is | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | That seems a reasonable explanation considering who was on whose side | Nov 05 19:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i know | Nov 05 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | we support them no matter what they do though | Nov 05 19:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: thing is, the US doesn't care about that | Nov 05 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Israelis "confused" it for a ship over twice as large | Nov 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | flagged in Egypt | Nov 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | and last seen hundreds of miles away | Nov 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | right | Nov 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | and ignored the radio calls from the ship, in English, identifying it as an American ship | Nov 05 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | and asking them to stop and identify it | Nov 05 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | with a big US naval jack flying from it no less | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. | Nov 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | What would be the motive, though? | Nov 05 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | Israel did it to send a message that they didn't want the US there monitoring what they were up to in their conflicts with neighboring countries | Nov 05 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | so they launched a sneak attack, murdering the Americans aboard without provocation or warning | Nov 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | "I miss George, he spoke the truth, and yet, he was called a "Comic". We should have given him the job of "Adviser", then instead of laughing, we might have used his understanding to fix things " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/748015 | Nov 05 19:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and then lied and said it was a mistake | Nov 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | The US was an ally, wasn't it? | Nov 05 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I wish I could be the president during an event like that | Nov 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | And IIRC, some were used as pawns there to help the British and French seize Suez | Nov 05 19:59 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: In my view, that would be an act of war | Nov 05 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | and they'd get what they asked for | Nov 05 20:00 |
| MinceR | how much oil is there in Israel? :> | Nov 05 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | and they'd be sorry they did it when it was over | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wrong question :-) | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | They need an outpost there | Nov 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | The Americans | Nov 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | to put some cannon fodder in with helicopters and hellfire to scare the **** out of neighbours with oil | Nov 05 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | right, we put up with their bullshit to keep a foothold in the region | Nov 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | The costs and the death toll is "outsources" | Nov 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | *ced | Nov 05 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think the amount of their bullshit is worth that | Nov 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Europe needs that outpost too | Nov 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | It's not just for the US | Nov 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | So it's irrelevant what the US does | Nov 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Many subs are being manufactured in germany | Nov 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I think Germany sells those for $300m a piece | Nov 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | *api3ce | Nov 05 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Araqb counties operate a lot of hand me down Soviet diesel submarines | Nov 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Nuclear platforms that are hard to "sink" so to speak | Nov 05 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | you might laugh at the old technology, but it can be more dangerous than modern nuclear powered submarines in some cases | Nov 05 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | they have to surface and recharge now and then | Nov 05 20:04 |
| MinceR | to its crew? :> | Nov 05 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | but when they are under, they are quieter than a nuclear sub | Nov 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | The British contractors make and sell subs too... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Dakar and China.. | Nov 05 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: INS Dakar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 63.48 KB | Nov 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | China must have loads of these | Nov 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | France... | Nov 05 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The Soviet/Russian nuclear subs have had a lot more disasters than the old diesel ones did | Nov 05 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | diesel engines don't tend to meltdown and poison the crew with radiation | Nov 05 20:05 |
| MinceR | well, they're russian :> | Nov 05 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: "The sub is Swiss" | Nov 05 20:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 05 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | "So it keeps perfect time but explodes now and then?" | Nov 05 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 05 20:06 |
| schestowitz | !google colombia sub drugs | Nov 05 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Narco submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco_submarine | Nov 05 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Colombian military seizes 100-foot drug sub capable of holding 8 ... | http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-15/news/28619548_1_semi-submersible-cocaine-vessel | Nov 05 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Colombian Police Seize High-Tech Drug Sub | Fox News Latino | http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/09/26/colombian-police-seize-high-tech-drug-sub/ | Nov 05 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Video: Colombian police seize hi-tech drugs sub - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/colombia/8793020/Colombian-police-seize-hi-tech-drugs-sub.html | Nov 05 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I had a lot of older NASA technical manuals and pilot handbooks as a kid | Nov 05 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I still have a space shuttle pilot manual | Nov 05 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | it describes how to operate some of the systems | Nov 05 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I used to collect that kind of stuff | Nov 05 20:07 |
| schestowitz | you did? | Nov 05 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Or Carl? | Nov 05 20:07 |
| schestowitz | sounds like his turf moe than yours | Nov 05 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what kids are supposed to be now that there are no jobs for astronauts | Nov 05 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to Bush and Obama | Nov 05 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Obama? | Nov 05 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | Do you want fries with that? | Nov 05 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Look what he inherited | Nov 05 20:08 |
| schestowitz | astronauts are fantasy | Nov 05 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | that excuse only goes so far | Nov 05 20:08 |
| schestowitz | on my pmp I have old speeches about space exploration | Nov 05 20:08 |
| schestowitz | and they talk about how the expensive missions were about national van\ity and inspiration | Nov 05 20:09 |
| schestowitz | lik army parades and air shows | Nov 05 20:09 |
| schestowitz | In Sovety Russia, stars travel to YOU | Nov 05 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | space exploration is more useful than a military | Nov 05 20:09 |
| schestowitz | !google siberia comet | Nov 05 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Tunguska event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event | Nov 05 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Great Siberian Impact: Meteorite, Comet, or Micro-Black Hole? | http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/06/the-great-siber.html | Nov 05 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Russian Siberia Comet Fragment | http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_tunguska18.htm | Nov 05 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Shuttle Plumes Hint at Comet Crash in Siberia: Discovery Channel | http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/07/31/noctilucent-clouds-comet.html | Nov 05 20:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's weaponry from the high skies | Nov 05 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | it can be | Nov 05 20:10 |
| schestowitz | NATO likes to brag how "nobody" was killed in Libya | Nov 05 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't have to be | Nov 05 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | of course, Libyans are nobodies | Nov 05 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | -NATO | Nov 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Which has the insulting implications that Libyians are not human | Nov 05 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The UK is a member state of NATO | Nov 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | They're just "targets" | Nov 05 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | makes you proud? | Nov 05 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | :0 | Nov 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | They used some British jets there | Nov 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | who said it made me porud? | Nov 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cveitch.org/?p=1699 | Nov 05 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | just pointing it out | Nov 05 20:12 |
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| DaemonFC | you can't collaborate then blame others | Nov 05 20:12 |
| schestowitz | How did I collaborate? | Nov 05 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | your government does | Nov 05 20:12 |
| schestowitz | But paying a quarter or more of my wage? | Nov 05 20:12 |
| schestowitz | the pistol-swingin' maniac is you | Nov 05 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 05 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's prudent | Nov 05 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | consider where this is heading | Nov 05 20:13 |
| schestowitz | what is? | Nov 05 20:14 |
| schestowitz | be clear and punctual | Nov 05 20:14 |
| schestowitz | no innuendo | Nov 05 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I have always been against militarisation | Nov 05 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | the economy is in the toilet | Nov 05 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | more people are becoming homeless | Nov 05 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it's something that runs in the culture of peace I was raised in | Nov 05 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | violent militia groups are on the upswing | Nov 05 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Or... | Nov 05 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | it may not be long before civil order breaks down | Nov 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | they can use the crisis to crecruit for the army | Nov 05 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | and people simply turn on each other | Nov 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | to give you food, bed, mates, travel.. | Nov 05 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | would you want to be the only person unarmed when that happens? | Nov 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | the cost: your body | Nov 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <DaemonFC> it may not be long before civil order breaks down >>> hello... watch the new | Nov 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | !google oakland poice state | Nov 05 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Police Department ~ City of Oakland, California | http://www.oaklandpolice.com/ | Nov 05 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Oakland Police Association Attacks Mayor Over Occupy Protests | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/oakland-police-associatio_n_1070128.html | Nov 05 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Michigan Live Police, Fire, and EMS Scanners on RadioReference ... | http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/%3Fstid%3D26 | Nov 05 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - City of Southfield - Police Department | http://www.cityofsouthfield.com/Default.aspx%3FTabId%3D200 | Nov 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Poor mayor | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | She can't take sides | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | if she supports her people, the police plays the card of power over her | Nov 05 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | a few hippies singing kumbaya around a trash fire doesn't count | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and if she requests the protesters to change, she's portrayed as federal shill | Nov 05 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | when it turns ugly is when it becomes all out rioting | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it does | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | like warning shots | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | from protestors | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | the police keeps calm cause it could escalate to street wars with firearms | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | but they use stun grenades, agitating gas, and rubber | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | !google bonfire night england | Nov 05 20:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Guy Fawkes Night - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night | Nov 05 20:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Bonfire Night in Britain - Guy Fawkes | http://projectbritain.com/Guy.html | Nov 05 20:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bonfire Night traditions in England - Guy Fawkes Night | http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/guy/england.htm | Nov 05 20:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Guy Fawkes and Bonfire Night | http://www.bonfirenight.net/ | Nov 05 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Lots of explosions here today | Nov 05 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Several per minute, some very powerful with huge sparks | Nov 05 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They could play the police's game with those | Nov 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Shock and awe with Chinese-made weapon-like toys | Nov 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Imagine this | Nov 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | People march to town halls | Nov 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | And fire toys to the sound of chanting... | Nov 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Like fake artillery | Nov 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | turns out that Opera 11.60 is just basically Opera 12 without the hardware acceleration and new themes | Nov 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | The US is scarier because live weapon is very commonplace there... don't piss off the wrong person. | Nov 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | they've pushed it out mostly because of the new html parser which handles HTML 5 roughly as well as Chrome and Firefox | Nov 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | version 12 | Nov 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | so it's better than Firefox | Nov 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | bigger number | Nov 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | vista 8 might have 10 | Nov 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and firefox 8 will !bang bong | Nov 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | their old HTML parser in Opera's words was like " an overdecorated Christmas tree" | Nov 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | that "hadn't ever been overhauled" | Nov 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | and the only reason for keeping it around was that up until now, it was more efficient with memory allocations than their new one | Nov 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | the new parser is not fully capable of parsing HTML 5 | Nov 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | but it is slightly faster | Nov 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | and on par with the old one for memory use | Nov 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | *not only | Nov 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's a lot nicer in my experience, the old one was only barely good enough to enable the HTML 5 media stuff | Nov 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | and not fully, just enough to make Youtube HTML 5 work right | Nov 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | it was never going to support the subtitles and whatnot | Nov 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | neither side will comment on what DuckDuckGo paid to be included | Nov 05 20:26 |
| schestowitz | why be paid? | Nov 05 20:31 |
| *iophk has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Nov 05 20:36 | |
| DaemonFC | because that's how it works in every browser | Nov 05 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 05 20:44 |
| schestowitz | not necessarily | Nov 05 20:46 |
| schestowitz | although kickbacks combined with "maximising shareholders value" tends to have some paritcular outcome | Nov 05 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I've begun running some more experiments | Nov 05 20:47 |
| schestowitz | This silly cluster doesn't have NFS | Nov 05 20:47 |
| schestowitz | So I need to deploy my code to nodes using rsync | Nov 05 20:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: do you reckon I should bother with Novell anymore? Wanna hear more opinion from whoever is paying attention to IRC now.. | Nov 05 20:48 |
| schestowitz | 230 unread news headlines | Nov 05 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if I should dive in | Nov 05 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: talking to a woman again started that convo off again, about Richard Stallman, quite interesting | Nov 05 20:48 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: can you be specific? | Nov 05 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: she doesn't think he is a very nice person | Nov 05 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | she's been to his talks before | Nov 05 20:49 |
| schestowitz | BTW, most women don't understand freedom.. guys too, I'm not singling out women here | Nov 05 20:49 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: many guys think the same of RMS | Nov 05 20:49 |
| schestowitz | he is non-conformist | Nov 05 20:49 |
| schestowitz | My mom says my gym teacher said that about me when I was about 5 :-) | Nov 05 20:50 |
| schestowitz | msb__ is non-conformist | Nov 05 20:50 |
| schestowitz | ender is just throwing in fantasy and fiction into "reality" | Nov 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | msb conforms with communists | Nov 05 20:51 |
| schestowitz | and cubefc1 is a genius | Nov 05 20:51 |
| schestowitz | communists? | Nov 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | or to | Nov 05 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, those links.. | Nov 05 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What do you mean by that exactly? non-conformist | Nov 05 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Hungary "tried" socialism | Nov 05 20:51 |
| schestowitz | like "my girlfriend tried BSDM" | Nov 05 20:52 |
| schestowitz | *S | Nov 05 20:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW, how did Russia get into North Korea? Joined borders? | Nov 05 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Korea, IIRC is one of the nations to hate the US the most | Nov 05 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Altough I think recent surveys put Greece up there at the top too | Nov 05 20:53 |
| schestowitz | ok, well... back to Novell news | Nov 05 20:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705392608/Long-running-Novell-Microsoft-antitrust-case-going-to-trial-in-federal-court.html http://abcnews.go.com/Technology | Nov 05 20:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Long-running Novell, Microsoft antitrust case going to trial in federal court | Deseret News .::. Size~: 68.76 KB | Nov 05 20:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Technology News, Web Trends and Science News - ABC News .::. Size~: 72.78 KB | Nov 05 20:54 |
| schestowitz | var guy still spams google news with fake "novell" tag | Nov 05 20:55 |
| msb__ | MinceR is lying. I've never said I liked communism, just social democracy and democratic socialism (with certain provisos). | Nov 05 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://community.ere.net/blogs/deandacosta/2011/10/pre-constructed-boolean-search-strings-part-24/ "Keep in mind that in the first string I use several titles, you can add, delete, substitute any and all titles with these strings. Also I am using Microsoft(MS) technologies, you can easily substitute the MS technologies for Novell, Unix, etc..." | Nov 05 20:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Pre Constructed Boolean Search Strings Part 24!!! - Blogs - Community - ERE.net .::. Size~: 18.89 KB | Nov 05 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Dean Da Costa | Nov 05 20:56 |
| schestowitz | No relation to andre :-) | Nov 05 20:56 |
| MinceR | msb__: which of those is in Cuba and North Korea? | Nov 05 20:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: right. | Nov 05 20:56 |
| schestowitz | oops, I meant that to be addressed to msb__ | Nov 05 20:56 |
| schestowitz | bad autocomplete | Nov 05 20:57 |
| schestowitz | msb=MicroSoft bing | Nov 05 20:57 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 05 20:57 |
| schestowitz | easier to remember | Nov 05 20:57 |
| msb__ | Cuba provides better housing, medical care, education, etc., for poor people than the US does. | Nov 05 20:58 |
| schestowitz | The US has no poor | Nov 05 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Not to the same extent | Nov 05 20:59 |
| schestowitz | same in the UK, they say... | Nov 05 20:59 |
| schestowitz | the "poor" people in the UK have better living standards than some kings centuries ago, my friend insists... and I think he has a point | Nov 05 20:59 |
| schestowitz | people judge their existence based on what they view others as having | Nov 05 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Novell is important anymore | Nov 05 21:00 |
| msb__ | Is there a way to make the Linux "find" command traverse directories in alphabetical order? | Nov 05 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | they've mostly gone from one of the leaders to another Canonical in under 5 years | Nov 05 21:00 |
| schestowitz | and television further the reach of information helps people in "Developing" nations learn just how badlt they *really* get screwed by the West | Nov 05 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood paints a false picture to try to make them even more jealous and instill envy and inferiority in everyone to motivate them to work harder till they die | Nov 05 21:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so should we just leave them aside in your opinion? | Nov 05 21:01 |
| msb__ | Is there a way to make the Linux "find" command traverse directories in alphabetical order? | Nov 05 21:02 |
| *schestowitz spent thousands of hours of his life researching Novell for no gain | Nov 05 21:02 | |
| DaemonFC | they're not worth mentioning much anymore | Nov 05 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason worth mentioning them over was Mono | Nov 05 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | which is basically dead on Linux | Nov 05 21:02 |
| schestowitz | msb__: pipe ls into find | Nov 05 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | and through trying to portray itself as open source | Nov 05 21:03 |
| schestowitz | ordering in ls is easy, then cut what's sensible (or choose ls -a | Nov 05 21:03 |
| schestowitz | | find | Nov 05 21:04 |
| schestowitz | ls -a | sort | find | Nov 05 21:04 |
| schestowitz | or something like that | Nov 05 21:04 |
| schestowitz | ls -a | sort | find | grep your_pron | Nov 05 21:05 |
| MinceR | will only change the order at the first level | Nov 05 21:05 |
| schestowitz | column? | Nov 05 21:05 |
| schestowitz | oh | Nov 05 21:06 |
| schestowitz | you mean, recursive | Nov 05 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111017/BUSINESS01/310170034/Novell-s-suit-vs-Microsoft-headed-trial-Utah | Nov 05 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Novell's suit vs. Microsoft headed to trial in Utah | The Tennessean | tennessean.com .::. Size~: 118.1 KB | Nov 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Gates looks like he's pregnant | Nov 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsday.com/news/novell-s-suit-vs-microsoft-goes-to-trial-in-utah-1.3249704 | Nov 05 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Novell's suit vs. Microsoft goes to trial in Utah .::. Size~: 45.54 KB | Nov 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | they still try their paywall | Nov 05 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Raising the subject Mono now just implies there's something left worth talking about | Nov 05 21:08 |
| schestowitz | They only got 35 paid subscribers this way | Nov 05 21:08 |
| schestowitz | !google paywall newsday fail | Nov 05 21:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - After Three Months, Only 35 Subscriptions for Newsday's Web Site ... | http://www.observer.com/2010/media/after-three-months-only-35-subscriptions-newsdays-web-site | Nov 05 21:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Pay wall fail : $650 million Newsday acquisition garners just 35 ... | http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/01/27/pay-wall-fail-650-million-newsday-acquisition-garners-just-35/ | Nov 05 21:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Newsday's pay wall: From bad to worse: SteveOuting.com | http://steveouting.com/2009/11/09/newsdays-pay-wall-from-bad-to-worse/ | Nov 05 21:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Joe. My. God.: Newsday's Paywall Fail | http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/01/newsdays-paywall-fail.html | Nov 05 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | the only newsworthy Mono item recently was Canonical dropping it | Nov 05 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://socialbarrel.com/microsoft-and-novell-face-off-in-utah-court/23390/ | Nov 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | which is only because of the "last nail in the coffin" thing | Nov 05 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Social Barrel » Microsoft and Novell Face Off In Utah Court .::. Size~: 56.26 KB | Nov 05 21:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Nov 05 21:09 |
| schestowitz | suse still has mono | Nov 05 21:09 |
| schestowitz | !google xamarin deal suse | Nov 05 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Xamarin Strikes Mono Deal with SUSE, Launches .NET-based ... | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Xamarin-Strikes-Mono-Deal-with-SUSE-Launches-NETbased-Mobile-Dev-Platform-473636/ | Nov 05 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Mono's Future Clears: Xamarin Partners with Attachmate ... | http://adtmag.com/articles/2011/07/19/mono-xamarin-partner-attachmate.aspx | Nov 05 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Xamarin and Attachmate's SUSE settle split-up, partner over Mono ... | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/SUSE-and-Xamarin-announce-broad-Mono-partnership/ | Nov 05 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - SUSE and Xamarin Partner to Accelerate Innovation and Support ... | http://www.novell.com/news/press/2011/7/suse-and-xamarin-partner-to-accelerate-innovation-and-support-mono-customers-and-community.html | Nov 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Attachmate is a liquidator | Nov 05 21:09 |
| schestowitz | now, all linux fans will rush to SUSE :-) | Nov 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | you said it yourself | Nov 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | their job now is to liquidate mono | Nov 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | and provide End of Life support to people who used it | Nov 05 21:09 |
| schestowitz | mono will liquidate itself | Nov 05 21:10 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft dumps dot net | Nov 05 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Devs Worried Microsoft Will Dump .NET - Slashdot | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/06/13/194254/devs-worried-microsoft-will-dump-net | Nov 05 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Dotnet Certification Dumps - .NET Framework | http://bytes.com/topic/net/answers/876402-dotnet-certification-dumps | Nov 05 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft 70-515 Exam Dumps ... - .NET Certifications Forum | http://www.dotnetfunda.com/forums/thread5917-microsoft-70-515-exam-dumps.aspx | Nov 05 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Free MCTS Dumps 70-505 70-562 Download | http://www.free-ebooks-download.org/free-ebook/dotnet/MCTS%2520Dumps/ | Nov 05 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.salon.com/2011/10/16/novells_suit_vs_microsoft_goes_to_trial_in_utah/ | Nov 05 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Novell's Suit Vs. Microsoft Goes To Trial In Utah - From the Wires - Salon.com .::. Size~: 142.64 KB | Nov 05 21:11 |
| schestowitz | "An antitrust lawsuit involving high-tech giants Novell Inc. and Microsoft Corp. is headed to federal court Monday in a jury trial that could include testimony from Bill Gates." | Nov 05 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, saint bill? | Nov 05 21:11 |
| schestowitz | how DARE they waste his time? | Nov 05 21:12 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: didn't canonical only drop banshee (and possibly mono) because they had issues with banshee? | Nov 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Testimony from Bill? | Nov 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean by Novell?" | Nov 05 21:12 |
| MinceR | that's a pretty week guarantee for banshee (and mono) not creeping back | Nov 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean by bribe?" | Nov 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | !google niall bill gats baystar | Nov 05 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | Nov 05 21:12 |
| schestowitz | !google niall bill gates baystar | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates | Niall Kennedy | http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Bill Gates: “Utah Is A Different Place” | http://www.shmula.com/bill-gates-utah-is-a-wierd-place/278/ | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux Today - Kennedy: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2006121402626INMSLL | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Todd asks “why no hard questions for BillG?” — Scobleizer | http://scobleizer.com/2006/12/14/todd-asks-why-no-hard-questions-for-billg/ | Nov 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes, but who cares why they said they dumped it | Nov 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's gone | Nov 05 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates filters hard questions | Nov 05 21:13 |
| schestowitz | His PR people pre-filter his interviewees | Nov 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Why they ditched it is beside the point. It's gone. | Nov 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | For whatever reason, it's gone | Nov 05 21:13 |
| schestowitz | !google bill gates knife fight walks out | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - PR Disaster: Discussion With Bill Gates Turns to “Death Panels ... | http://techrights.org/2010/09/14/tough-questions-teachers/ | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Bill Gates' extreme makeover - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/Bill-Gates-extreme-makeover/2010-1071_3-5532666.html | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Social Network Quotes (Page 2) | http://www.moviequotesandmore.com/social-network-quotes-1.html | Nov 05 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Family Feud Fast Money Answers | http://facebookfamilyfeud.com/fastmoney.html | Nov 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | gone :) | Nov 05 21:13 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: whoever cares about whether it will come back and when | Nov 05 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Frankly I don't give a damn why you're leaving, just go" | Nov 05 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" | Nov 05 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | It puts the Mono people on the defense about another thing | Nov 05 21:15 |
| MinceR | i doubt they got rid of the mono people at canonical and debian | Nov 05 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.news-leader.com/article/20111017/BUSINESS/110170313/Business-Watch http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/10/17/novell-antitrust-case-against-microsoft-begins/ | Nov 05 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Business Watch | Springfield News-Leader | News-Leader.com .::. Size~: 108.52 KB | Nov 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is buggy to the point where Canonical figures it's not able to support it | Nov 05 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Novell antitrust case against Microsoft begins | thinq_ .::. Size~: 24.65 KB | Nov 05 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw covers trials, the press does not, it's "too much work" | Nov 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | they now have to come up with reasons to fight that off | Nov 05 21:15 |
| schestowitz | who pays for bansh** development? | Nov 05 21:16 |
| schestowitz | it used to be Novell | Nov 05 21:16 |
| schestowitz | but aaron left Novll | Nov 05 21:16 |
| schestowitz | and not many new releases | Nov 05 21:16 |
| schestowitz | !google banshee screamers mono | Nov 05 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Novell's (Microsoft-Funded) Anti-Ubuntu Propaganda | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/03/01/banshee-vs-canonical/ | Nov 05 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Rhythmbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythmbox | Nov 05 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Indicators - defiantmps.com :: | http://www.defiantmps.com/indicators.htm | Nov 05 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Siouxsie and the Banshees - The Creatures - Steven Severin - www ... | http://www.untiedundone.com/audio.html | Nov 05 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/gates-set-to-testify-in-microsoft-novell-antitrust-suit/?cs=48879 | Nov 05 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gates Set to Testify in Microsoft-Novell Antitrust Suit | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 79.11 KB | Nov 05 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | banshee is funded by Xamarin now I think | Nov 05 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | all the Mono stuff got transferred to them | Nov 05 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/10/21/old-novell-law-suits-giving-bill-gates-grey-hair.aspx http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=02219100-765b-4f22-99e0-948eef818b35 | Nov 05 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Old Novell Law Suits Giving Bill Gates Grey Hair - Bright Side Of News* .::. Size~: 77.13 KB | Nov 05 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Gates to Testify at Novell Antitrust Trial | Warner Norcross & Judd - White Collar - JDSupra .::. Size~: 52.19 KB | Nov 05 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | I assume that includes the Banshee copyrights and site and everything | Nov 05 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/20/microsoft-founder-bill-gates-to-testify-in-billion-dollar-suit/ http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2011/10/todays-ereads-updated-microsof.php | Nov 05 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden | Nov 05 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Today's eReads Updated: Microsoft CEO Says It Got Lucky, Gates To Testify - Tech Daily Dose .::. Size~: 65.15 KB | Nov 05 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Some publications show this bully smiling | Nov 05 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2011/10/19/bill_gates_to_defend_microsoft_in_one_final_windows_95_antitrust_suit http://mashable.com/2011/10/18/bill-gates-novell-court/ | Nov 05 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Gates to defend Microsoft in one final Windows 95 antitrust suit - AfterDawn .::. Size~: 68.6 KB | Nov 05 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Gates Going to Witness Stand Over Anti-Trust Case .::. Size~: 105.18 KB | Nov 05 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft's story planter, MOG http://www.sys-con.com/node/2025117 | Nov 05 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gates to Be Called in Novell Antitrust Suit Against Microsoft | SYS-CON MEDIA .::. Size~: 76.61 KB | Nov 05 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Do you think Stallman is a nice guy? | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Ans Seattle shill press | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2011/10/bill-gates-to-testify-in-novell.html | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2016529221_bill_gates_expected_to_testify_at_microsoft-novell.html | Nov 05 21:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Gates may testify in Novell antitrust suit .::. Size~: 56.25 KB | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Funded by Gates | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh | Nov 05 21:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Pri0 | Bill Gates expected to testify at Microsoft-Novell antitrust trial | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 79.72 KB | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im tired of hearing about it | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | They try to pain him as innocent before the trial even begins | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | "poor gates" | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck cant microsoft just settle all antitrust suits FOREVER | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | just negotiate a deal with the government | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | for like | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1 billion | Nov 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: define nice | Nov 05 21:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | just write a check, and never have to hear about it again | Nov 05 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I think he is very serious about ethics | Nov 05 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | because lets face it | Nov 05 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a waste of tax money | Nov 05 21:21 |
| schestowitz | he also flies coach and has slept on floors for many years if that was necessary | Nov 05 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a waste of court time | Nov 05 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, I wish I had a parallel universe machine | Nov 05 21:21 |
| schestowitz | don't the companies pay for the lawyers and the judge/jury/etc | Nov 05 21:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wanna know what it would have been like if bill gates went to india with steve jobs | Nov 05 21:22 |
| schestowitz | !google I wish I was taller youtube | Nov 05 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - I Wish - Skee-Lo - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DZyf0YwUJcqk | Nov 05 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Secret Handshake - I Wish - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVBKbk3h-UWE | Nov 05 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - I wish I was taller - Elan Lee - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVRInL8AwvhQ | Nov 05 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Skee lo- i wish i was a baller - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5Ip1Luw_WQc | Nov 05 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: and no, no jury | Nov 05 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not a criminal charge, and its not bill gates whos being sued over antitrust | Nov 05 21:22 |
| schestowitz | jewry? | Nov 05 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its microsoft | Nov 05 21:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no, companies dont have to pay for court time that way | Nov 05 21:22 |
| schestowitz | courts are a scam the way they tend to be implemeneted | Nov 05 21:23 |
| schestowitz | See Sweden vs Assange | Nov 05 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | they cant be implemented fairly to begin with | Nov 05 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | the legal system should be a form of religious order imo | Nov 05 21:23 |
| schestowitz | but then they would be ethical | Nov 05 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Not "legal" | Nov 05 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Not ths same thing | Nov 05 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "Just us" department | Nov 05 21:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | people so beyond reproach that even the thought of trying to skew them with money would be hilarious | Nov 05 21:24 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: would it be right for a company to purchase monopoly in a market forever by a single-time payment? | Nov 05 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: quite a lot of people think he isn't nice it seems, was just having a chat about that in another channel | Nov 05 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: for 1 billion dollars? sure. | Nov 05 21:24 |
| schestowitz | nice to who? | Nov 05 21:24 |
| schestowitz | he has no patience to people too brainwashed | Nov 05 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the people who go to his speaks and such I guess | Nov 05 21:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: and a lot of the original ms antitrust case was fucking retarded | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, zomg bundled msie | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a fucking OS component | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one bitches webkit is apart of osx | Nov 05 21:25 |
| MinceR | it's fucking not an OS component | Nov 05 21:25 |
| schestowitz | it's optional | Nov 05 21:25 |
| MinceR | it's a web browser | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its an OS component. | Nov 05 21:25 |
| MinceR | i'm sorry | Nov 05 21:25 |
| MinceR | it's a _fucking_ web browser | Nov 05 21:25 |
| schestowitz | and an OS is not a hardware component | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | msie is an ole widget | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | the _browser_ is just a fancy frontend for it. | Nov 05 21:25 |
| schestowitz | if people actually CHOSE Windows, then the browser issue would not be as great | Nov 05 21:25 |
| MinceR | no, the ole widget is called differently | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | any app can embed it | Nov 05 21:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and any app can embed webkit or gecko | Nov 05 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | msie coming with the os didnt stop me from installing netscape | Nov 05 21:26 |
| MinceR | they did bundle the frontend | Nov 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | html canvas can be desktop wallpaper in win8 | Nov 05 21:26 |
| MinceR | it did kill netscape | Nov 05 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a fucking browser. | Nov 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | *Win98 | Nov 05 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yes, and who the fuck cares. | Nov 05 21:26 |
| schestowitz | your mom | Nov 05 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: netscape didnt have a business model | Nov 05 21:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | how do you make money giving something away for free | Nov 05 21:27 |
| schestowitz | She can surf hotmail on the desktop while she surfs hotmail in IE | Nov 05 21:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: my mother doesnt use computers. | Nov 05 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Think, Dawg! | Nov 05 21:27 |
| MinceR | they also tied WMP to winblows | Nov 05 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itproportal.com/2011/10/17/anti-trust-lawsuit-filed-novel-against-microsoft-goes-trial-today/ | Nov 05 21:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] We no longer allow posts via Twitterfeed; we're no longer do-follow. | Nov 05 21:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2004 Anti-Trust Lawsuit Filed by Novel Against Microsoft Goes to Trial Today | ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 38.89 KB | Nov 05 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment/52716620-79/microsoft-novell-wordperfect-gates.html.csp | Nov 05 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jury chosen in Novell-Microsoft trial in Utah | The Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 119.55 KB | Nov 05 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft infiltrators give their own 'version' of the 'story' http://rcpmag.com/blogs/lee-pender/2011/10/novell-microsoft-antitrust-trial.aspx | Nov 05 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Novell, Microsoft Turn Back the Clock with Antitrust Trial -- Redmond Channel Partner .::. Size~: 72.62 KB | Nov 05 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Just pretend it's a news site | Nov 05 21:32 |
| schestowitz | and not the 'Microsoft koolaid press' | Nov 05 21:33 |
| schestowitz | they use the airbrushed wikipedia version of deposoition | Nov 05 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/compliance/2011/10/18/microsoft-gears-up-for-novell-antitrust-suit-40094208/ | Nov 05 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft gears up for Novell antitrust suit | Compliance | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 55.55 KB | Nov 05 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Where Mr. Liar is shown smiling and having a good time | Nov 05 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Rather than bobbing like a pid | Nov 05 21:34 |
| schestowitz | *pigeon and choking | Nov 05 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://us.generation-nt.com/novell-windows-95-wordperfect-office-news-3192461.html | Nov 05 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Novell brings Microsoft back to Windows 95 .::. Size~: 18.09 KB | Nov 05 21:42 |
| XFaCE | http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-is-not-theft-111104/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29 | Nov 05 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Piracy is NOT Theft: Problems of a Nonsense Metaphor | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 31.67 KB | Nov 05 21:43 |
| XFaCE | XFaCE (1 day ago): Though I'm glad the difference between theft and copyright infringement is being firmly established in this article, I disapprove of that other nonsense metaphor of the term "piracy". How exactly can one equate Somalia Pirates for example, with the common user of the "Pirate" Bay? "Piracy" when used in this context is just as bad and perhaps even worse. There is the unfortunate trend where completely separate and indi | Nov 05 21:43 |
| XFaCE | vidual actions and laws get mixed in with this nonsense, and we end up with patent infringement being labelled "piracy" as well. "Intellectual property", "piracy", and other such glorifications should be also ignored where law is concerned. You might as well call cracking someone else's computer "rape" or replacing someone's desktop wallpaper as a joke "vandalism". | Nov 05 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | settling all antitrust suits would imply they intend to stop | Nov 05 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | actually, the removal of Mono means there's more choice | Nov 05 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | like, the user gets to decide if they want it or not | Nov 05 21:45 |
| XFaCE | I have a simply way to think about it | Nov 05 21:45 |
| XFaCE | Sure Microsoft is a short-term choice, but in the long-term they have demonstrated that they prefer to restrict your choices. | Nov 05 21:45 |
| XFaCE | Microsoft tradeoff: 1 more choice today - losing several available choices in the future | Nov 05 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/unity-bliss-an-alternative-application-lens-for-ubuntu/ | Nov 05 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | I like this | Nov 05 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Unity Bliss: An Alternative Application Lens for Ubuntu .::. Size~: 35.56 KB | Nov 05 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | it removes the "half the space is taken up by random programs you could install" nonsense | Nov 05 21:47 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Sounds like a late night softie show | Nov 05 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | and devotes the entire lens to applications on your computer | Nov 05 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | if the user wants to install something, let them open up the application installer | Nov 05 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | don't use up half the menu space with random stuff they're not interested in | Nov 05 21:48 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: So in other words, it introduces 20-year-old logic? | Nov 05 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | right | Nov 05 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | the applications menu should have applications the user has already installed | Nov 05 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | less clutter | Nov 05 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | get right to what you're looking for | Nov 05 21:49 |
| XFaCE | I've always treated "install this" application links as nothing short of advertising. | Nov 05 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | The lens Ubuntu has by default is like Clippy | Nov 05 21:49 |
| XFaCE | Really, how is this different from the shit Microsoft and OEMs were dumping on computers? | Nov 05 21:49 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Nov 05 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | "It looks like you're trying to find Thunderbird. Want to install K3b instead?" | Nov 05 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | It just shows a complete disconnect from what the user is trying to do | Nov 05 21:50 |
| schestowitz | 1.2 billion.. http://www.secaucusnewjersey.org/microsoft-in-court-being-sued-for-1-2-billion-by-novell-11911.html | Nov 05 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft In Court Being Sued For $1.2 Billion By Novell - Secaucus New Jersey News | Secaucus New Jersey News .::. Size~: 52.46 KB | Nov 05 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Almost as much as Novell got sold for | Nov 05 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4048/panix.jpg | Nov 05 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Nov 05 21:52 |
| schestowitz | or what Microsoft loses online in 1.5 quarters | Nov 05 21:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it is | Nov 05 21:53 |
| schestowitz | this dude might have a heart attack | Nov 05 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.malwaredomains.com/ | Nov 05 21:54 |
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| DaemonFC | if you have to deal with any Windows PCs, this is useful | Nov 05 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | they maintain an adblock plus list for Firefox too | Nov 05 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I load this into Firefox whenever someone has me clean up their Windows PC | Nov 05 21:55 |
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| DaemonFC | it drastically cuts down the number of malicious domains that the browser can access | Nov 05 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I also suggest hiding and (if possible) disabling IE | Nov 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Somehow Dave kept getting malware on his XP system even after I disabled IE, I found that the problem was Firefox | Nov 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | not detecting and blocking most malicious sites on its own | Nov 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | vulnerabilities in plug-ins Microsoft installs | Nov 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | etc. | Nov 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | so it seems that Firefox is not a catch all solution to the problem anymore on Windows | Nov 05 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | because Microsoft injects vulnerabilities into it in the form of plug-ins they don't ask if it's OK to install into it | Nov 05 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla has gotten pissed about this | Nov 05 21:58 |
| MinceR | time to pair it up with GNU/Linux, then | Nov 05 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | and Firefox 8 will disable add-ons you didn't install and ask you about what to do with them now | Nov 05 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | even though they don't mention Microsoft by name, it's clear what provoked this | Nov 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't know where it came from, you should leave them disabled | Nov 05 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | it will be interesting what behavior this causes in clueless users who don't know what to do | Nov 05 22:00 |
| MinceR | it means m$ will take one more step in meddling with settings | Nov 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | you mean they'll forge the installation record to make it say the user installed it | Nov 05 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | so it never asks what to do | Nov 05 22:02 |
| MinceR | if that's what gets checked, then yes :> | Nov 05 22:02 |
| MinceR | or they'll "patch" the executable | Nov 05 22:03 |
| MinceR | still, it's a good thing to do this because this way m$ keeps making more evidence against themselves | Nov 05 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is already installing Chrome plugins the user doesn't want now | Nov 05 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | to bring back MPEG-4 support via Windows Media Player | Nov 05 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | hey _Goblin | Nov 05 22:18 |
| schestowitz | glad to see you | Nov 05 22:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Twitterfeed is the one we've had the most problem with. Ping.fm too. | Nov 05 22:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] How so? I can see the rel=nofollow on the link that started this thread. | Nov 05 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's up with mozill's OS plans? | Nov 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | a browser oriented one like chrome | Nov 05 22:21 |
| schestowitz | chromeos+chrome | Nov 05 22:21 |
| MinceR | Boot To Gecko? | Nov 05 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Boot to SUSE | Nov 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | the chameleon | Nov 05 22:27 |
| MinceR | that's not new | Nov 05 22:28 |
| MinceR | https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G | Nov 05 22:29 |
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| DaemonFC | - What does it mean for your relationships with Apple, Google, Microsoft? | Nov 05 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | We don't expect that it will affect our relationships with other organizations. | Nov 05 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/FAQ | Nov 05 22:34 |
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| MinceR | :> | Nov 05 22:34 |
| schestowitz | "Great news " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/747599 | Nov 05 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Wow, I get a lot of positive feedback for my work regarding Mono this weekend | Nov 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It's very gratifying | Nov 05 22:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | And the mono bullies are weak now, so nobody calls me or _Goblin "c*nt" | Nov 05 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | Linux Mint has just overtaken Ubuntu again on Distrowatch | Nov 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | See 7-day range | Nov 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | You look tooo far backwards | Nov 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | 1 Mint 2133> | Nov 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | 7 days without major releases of Ubuntu and Mint gives you insight on what's to come | Nov 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2 Ubuntu 2112 | Nov 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | no, try 7 days | Nov 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I want you to see this timespan | Nov 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | 1 Mint 3705> | Nov 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2 Fedora 2085> | Nov 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Now, if it stays this way for months, then... | Nov 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | But Fedora has a goldened release now | Nov 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | it won't last in #2 | Nov 05 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | 3 Ubuntu 2038< | Nov 05 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | 34 Kubuntu 417< | Nov 05 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | 35 Xubuntu 387< | Nov 05 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 05 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora doesn't treat other desktops as different distributions | Nov 05 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | neither does OpenSuse or Debian | Nov 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/52737181-79/novell-microsoft-anti-competitive.html.csp | Nov 05 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: As trial opens, Microsoft denies harm to Utah’s Novell | The Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 112.74 KB | Nov 05 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | only Ubuntu seems to do that | Nov 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Mint is Ubuntu-based, so... | Nov 05 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Unity is completely broken with X.org server 1.11 | Nov 05 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | or if it's just their proprietary Touch crap | Nov 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | But the point is, gnome (sorry, unity) based Ubuntu is not growing in popularity | Nov 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705392747/Microsoft-Novell-play-blame-game-on-first-day-of-billion-dollar-antitrust-trial.html | Nov 05 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, Novell play blame game on first day of billion-dollar antitrust trial | Deseret News .::. Size~: 68.76 KB | Nov 05 22:43 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Hi Roy.... | Nov 05 22:43 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: About the only thing Mono brings to the Linux world as far as Ive seen is/was vulgarity. | Nov 05 22:43 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: oh and don't forget that all time classic game..................gbrainy........more like gb*llocks | Nov 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/73536.html | Nov 05 22:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: E-Commerce News: Tech Law: Novell Gets to Have Its Say .::. Size~: 70.23 KB | Nov 05 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Something broke in Kubuntu 11.10 | Nov 05 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I think Groklaw already covers this well, no need for TR to dive into that :/ | Nov 05 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | and now most applications with "indicators" can't use the indicator widget | Nov 05 22:44 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it wasn't even mentioned in UDS | Nov 05 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | I disabled the widget and use the system tray | Nov 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They'll most likey drop it without even mentioning it | Nov 05 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how Rhythmbox integrates with Unity as of now | Nov 05 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | I might try Unity again now that there is an optional lens which doesn't clog your applications menu with random crap you could install | Nov 05 22:46 |
| _Goblin | I am a little hesitant in mentioning Mono only because it seems to be slithering away with its tail between its legs of late. | Nov 05 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Into obscurity | Nov 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | But Debian still comes with it | Nov 05 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Even my box | Nov 05 22:48 |
| schestowitz | So it's far from over | Nov 05 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Most people don't use Debian | Nov 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I may...Install Ubuntu, Purge Mono, add Rhythmbox, add GNOME Shell, and use that | Nov 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's essentially GNOME with some Ubuntu fluff | Nov 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | once you add xorg-edgers, Unity apparently won't work | Nov 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | because it's missing their utouch patches | Nov 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | my day has been quite short because I had an irregular sleep pattern, due to work. | Nov 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/860707 | Nov 05 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bug #860707 in unity (Ubuntu): “Unity crashes when started in an environment without utouch support” .::. Size~: 91.45 KB | Nov 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Slept from 9:30 to 1:30, only for the second time this year. | Nov 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | it isn't a concern if you're not using Compiz | Nov 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I c... | Nov 05 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://venturebeat.com/2011/10/21/interview-with-the-former-worlds-most-wanted-hacker-kevin-mitnick/ | Nov 05 23:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The “world’s most wanted hacker,” Kevin Mitnick, has gone straight (interview) | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 68.31 KB | Nov 05 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/405069/5_reasons_move_your_company_google/ | Nov 05 23:25 |
| schestowitz | what a silly plan | Nov 05 23:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 5 reasons to move your company to Google - google apps, Google, cloud - Computerworld .::. Size~: 84.71 KB | Nov 05 23:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] On Life: "When life gets rough, put some gravy on it."~ Andy Rooney !q | Nov 05 23:26 | |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 05 23:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] laurelrusswurm q "When life gets tough, put some gravy on it."~ Andy Rooney !q | Nov 05 23:39 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: schestowitz Mint 12 this month | Nov 05 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: schestowitz Reading back log | Nov 05 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: schestowitz stroll back whatever it's called | Nov 05 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: schestowitz Then maybe at least for a while it will be much more popular than Ubuntu on distrowatch | Nov 05 23:52 |
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| DaemonFC | is Mint 12 the one that comes with Real GNOME instead of Ubuntu Nonsense? | Nov 05 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: wellt Gnome 2 with their Mint stuff such as the Mint menu | Nov 05 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | anwyay Mint 12 will have that yes, but they will have to provide htem selves I guess, since Ubuntu 11.10 don't have | Nov 05 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | plus they are helping iwth the mate fork I read | Nov 05 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | and | Nov 05 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | there will be a Gnome 3.2 version as well | Nov 05 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I think Mint is going to become rather/very popular soon, and may even notice that in the IRC channels | Nov 05 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1851 | Nov 05 23:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 12 Preview .::. Size~: 259.73 KB | Nov 05 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | According to this it will be GNOME 3.2 plus improvements to usability | Nov 05 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | I think many who don't like not having Gnome 2 in Ubuntu 11.10, will try out Mint 12 | Nov 05 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ok thanks for the link, didn't know there was a update blog post | Nov 05 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | that's rather recent as well 4th of November | Nov 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | They are removing Bing and Yahoo | Nov 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | from Linux Mint 12's FIREFOX | Nov 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | errr... Firefox | Nov 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | capslock :P | Nov 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | "In Linux Mint 12 and upcoming releases we’re hoping to provide users with the following commercial search engines: Ask.com, Google, Amazon, eBay, and the non-commercial Wikipedia." | Nov 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | Bing and Yahoo don't have a revenue sharing system that will pay Linux Mint, so they are being removed | Nov 05 23:59 |
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