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| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: so, what have you heard on the call fraud front? | Mar 05 02:09 |
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| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: i haven't been keeping up. so many other things going on :| | Mar 05 02:36 |
| XFaCE | such as | Mar 05 02:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | i mean personal stuff. life's a mess | Mar 05 03:04 |
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| XFaCE | ooo | Mar 05 03:53 |
| XFaCE | understood | Mar 05 03:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | usual mess. started doing tax. | Mar 05 04:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | this weekend | Mar 05 04:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | always a million things to do. wife is full time student which doesn't help... | Mar 05 04:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | ;) | Mar 05 04:05 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > Sorry for the delay. Here is the test data for the upgrade of Kubuntu: | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/12862/testcases | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 05 08:51 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Testcases for Upgrade Kubuntu amd64 in Precise Daily | Ubuntu QA .::. Size~: 9.54 KB | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > It seems to upgrade ok. If you have a specific case in mind, I can | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > try running through the scenario on a spare machine if it would help. | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Ryan (DaemonFC) keeps urging me to upgrade; he experiments with many alphas and betas and is that one who put me on Kubuntu in the first place (I was using Mandriva), some time in 2009. The thing that worries me is, I have some mission-critical software on my main box, including stuff I need for my jobs. I am trying to figure out what there is really to gain from a newer version of KDE and a few apps that are a year or so | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | newer (and possibly less stable). When I rushed into a new Firefox (I am back to 3.5 and 3.6) it wasted no less than 20 hours of my time and had me cussing for months. | Mar 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | > I'd wait until the release at the end of April. It's not that far away. | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | > Then I'd say that upgrading to the LTS would be worth it if you plan | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | > to ride it for the full 5 years. Otherwise, I see little point of | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | > upgrading until support for the current version runs out. In | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | > principle, I would recommend Debian over Ubuntu on servers, if it's a | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | > question of servers. For the desktop, definitely KDE. | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | I run Debian with KDE on my second head (three monitors), which connects to my peripherals with synergy and runs KDE with the exact same settings as on Kubuntu. This version of Kubuntu is supported for another 1+ years, so I will probably suck the life out of this installation because and whilst it gives me no issues. | Mar 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2012/02/22/communication-panel/ | Mar 05 09:05 |
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| *qu1j0t3 uses Gentoo on servers. wouldn't go back to binary packaging hell. :D | Mar 05 14:39 | |
| *MinceR uses fedora and debian. wouldn't go back to source packaging hell. :) | Mar 05 14:42 | |
| qu1j0t3 | ever tried it? | Mar 05 14:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | what problems did you have? | Mar 05 14:52 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 05 14:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're not really apples to apples. gentoo has much better package metadata and flexibility. | Mar 05 14:52 |
| MinceR | there were packages that wouldn't build | Mar 05 14:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | i use binary distros at work. | Mar 05 14:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | endless hassle. | Mar 05 14:53 |
| MinceR | and eventually the system became impossible to upgrade | Mar 05 14:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | i haven't had that issue. | Mar 05 14:53 |
| MinceR | rolling release system also carries the risk of making the system impossible to upgrade if it is left without upgrades for a long time | Mar 05 14:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | we're constantly screwed by the 'big bang' upgrade problem with binary distros. | Mar 05 14:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | not to mention dependency hell at other times. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| MinceR | nope | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | and the inflexibility of binary packages. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | couldn't do without USE flags. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| MinceR | dependency hell died with the rise of package managers that can download what they need | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, we do do without, but at a cost. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | no, i get dependency hell with every binary packager. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| MinceR | i like binary packages that have all the options enabled | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're antique. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, sure, but what if you don't have those? | Mar 05 14:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | you're always at the mercy of the packager. no thanks. | Mar 05 14:54 |
| MinceR | you're always at the mercy of the distro maintainers | Mar 05 14:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | anyway, use what you like. | Mar 05 14:55 |
| MinceR | unless you're using LFS | Mar 05 14:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | right, but that hasn't been a problem for me with Gentoo... | Mar 05 14:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | the package database is excellent. | Mar 05 14:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | and it has richer dependency data than the old distros. | Mar 05 14:55 |
| MinceR | i liked the wealth of packages, but didn't like that i couldn't be sure if any of them will actually install | Mar 05 14:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, i'm talking about servers specifically | Mar 05 14:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | though i do use it on my desktop | Mar 05 14:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | and several laptops in the past | Mar 05 14:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | but even if you can get "everything built" packages, you still have the big-bang problem | Mar 05 14:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's not desirable for servers imho | Mar 05 14:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a headache | Mar 05 14:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | we're in this situation at work, 40 vps's, some back to F11 | Mar 05 14:57 |
| MinceR | i like being able to do big changes ("big bang") when i'm ready for them | Mar 05 14:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't like being blocked from package updates :) | Mar 05 14:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | e.g. we can't get anything better than GlusterFS 2.x on our production servers | Mar 05 14:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | there's no technical reason for this.. it's just an artefact of big bang releases | Mar 05 14:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's the kind of tangle that i dislike binary distros for | Mar 05 14:59 |
| MinceR | i didn't like emerge coming up with "it's config file merging time!" in the middle of an upgrade | Mar 05 15:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | that normally happens at the end, but you can do it any time | Mar 05 15:00 |
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| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: I think Harper deserves to be punished Home Alone style | Mar 05 16:02 |
| XFaCE | With annoying traps and shit that drive him nuts | Mar 05 16:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's like Palin. Obscurity is too good for him. | Mar 05 16:11 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://techrights.org/2012/03/05/evading-tax-with-loopholes/ http://techrights.org/2012/03/05/bill-gates-politics-mode/ http://techrights.org/2012/03/05/privatization-of-education-system/ | Mar 05 18:15 |
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| TechrightsSocial | Title: Bill Gates Bribes to Change Policy, Make Profit From Patents | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.84 KB | Mar 05 18:15 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Bill Gates Pays League of Education Voters, Stand for Children for Lobbying, Wolfram for Self-Serving ‘Study’ | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.69 KB | Mar 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | links to our discussion from last night as well | Mar 05 18:15 |
| schestowitz | !google harper gates techrights | Mar 05 18:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Mar 05 18:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Bill Gates Piggybacks Vaccination Revolution For Fame ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/09/13/gates-lobbies-the-right-politicians/ | Mar 05 18:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Africans Insulted by Philanthrocapitalism | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/09/04/on-genuine-african-blogs/ | Mar 05 18:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - ES: El Auge y la Caída del Desarrollador Independiente | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/07/19/rise-and-fall-of-the-independent-developer_es/ | Mar 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: My mom phoned me and spoke to me for over half an hour just now. At one point she asked me, would we consider also living in Singapore or Hong Kong? | Mar 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | My mom always keeps telling me stuff like, if you tried to just make a lot of money, you'd make more than all of us; but I assure her I serve justice, which doesn't pay well but is very rewarding to me and to many others. This is something on which I'll have a better conversation with my fiancee's dad about than I can ever have with my own mom. :-D She is very conformist, unlike my dad. She's very much into mainstream TV, | Mar 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | fashion, travel, etc. and you'd see it right away if you met her. | Mar 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | After we chatted I wrote an article with many links: http://techrights.org/2012/03/05/swpats-threats-to-linux/ In total, I wrote 13 articles today. Now I'll take a bit of a break... haven't written so much in one day this year... but did 31 posts in one day in 2009 or 2010. | Mar 05 18:20 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Patents Roundup: Hype, Critics, and Threat to Linux/Android | Techrights .::. Size~: 99.02 KB | Mar 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://maneydigital.com/2012/03/05/dmr-stories/ | Mar 05 18:24 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: dmr: stories | Maney|Digital .::. Size~: 36.11 KB | Mar 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | seems like he had illnesses | Mar 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | but lived a fulfilling life | Mar 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | left his mark | Mar 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Jobs left a cult | Mar 05 18:24 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2540 | Mar 05 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 05 18:31 |
| schestowitz | The institute they use to promote "intelligent design" in the US - what was it called again? | Mar 05 18:31 |
| schestowitz | the one with laskin | Mar 05 18:31 |
| schestowitz | their troll | Mar 05 18:32 |
| schestowitz | oh, Discovery Instit | Mar 05 18:32 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 05 18:32 |
| schestowitz | laskin from the institute of creationist BS | Mar 05 18:33 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/01/this_video_is_no_longer_availa.php | Mar 05 18:33 |
| schestowitz | LMAO | Mar 05 18:33 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Discovery Institute” : Pharyngula .::. Size~: 79.63 KB | Mar 05 18:33 |
| schestowitz | prominent youtube Bright users bitch-slapped those fraudsters | Mar 05 18:33 |
| schestowitz | in the US they bankroll some pseudo-scientists to sciencewash Creationism | Mar 05 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mBPRDNUY0&feature=player_embedded | Mar 05 18:34 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: The Discovery Institute vs Copyright - YouTube .::. Size~: 126.24 KB | Mar 05 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3mKJxxZgg&feature=relmfu | Mar 05 18:35 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Challenging the Discovery Institute to Discover: Part 2 - YouTube .::. Size~: 138.06 KB | Mar 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCz71ci9Cc&feature=relmfu | Mar 05 18:35 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: The Discovery Institute and Censorship - YouTube .::. Size~: 128.34 KB | Mar 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKNwTDFvfps | Mar 05 18:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Facing Execution for Three Tweets - YouTube .::. Size~: 141.67 KB | Mar 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz | this is good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSqJ-7tg0Eo | Mar 05 18:44 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: The BEST emotional PORN - YouTube .::. Size~: 143.24 KB | Mar 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | he has a blog now, too http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/feed/ | Mar 05 18:52 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting text/xml; charset=UTF-8 type | Mar 05 18:52 |
| schestowitz | shame not many people read it | Mar 05 18:52 |
| schestowitz | he became dependent on youtube, which censors some of his vids or leads to self-censorship through deterrence and fear | Mar 05 18:53 |
| schestowitz | does anyone here know mediawiki's source code more of less? | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [04:48] <tessier> What is ulimit4.sh that runs on the server every so often? And is that you doing a less on a whole bunch of weird files? | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [04:48] <tessier> Looks like it. Just want to confirm. | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [08:13] <schestowitz> ulimit4.sh does noing a bell | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [08:13] <schestowitz> *not ring | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:46] <tessier> /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/bin/ulimit4.sh | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:55] <schestowitz> oh, I see | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:55] <schestowitz> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=611308 | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:55] <schestowitz> SELinux not happy with it | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:55] <schestowitz> Though it doesn't seem rogue | Mar 05 18:57 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Bug 611308 – MediaWiki's ulimit4.sh triggers SELinux warnings when thumbnailing .::. Size~: 53.58 KB | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:55] <schestowitz> http://forum.powweb.com/showthread.php?t=74653 | Mar 05 18:57 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: MediaWiki and ImageMagick - error creating thumbnails - PowWeb Community Forums .::. Size~: 29.26 KB | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | [18:56] <schestowitz> http://docs.iarp.ca/Source_code/mediawiki/1.18.0/bin/ulimit4.sh.source.html | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone here know what the file is for? | Mar 05 18:57 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Source code/mediawiki/1.18.0/bin/ulimit4.sh.source.html - Docs .::. Size~: 12.02 KB | Mar 05 18:57 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 05 18:59 |
| schestowitz | [18:58] <tessier> Cool. Not to worry then. | Mar 05 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/stagnation-on-youtube/ | Mar 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | This time a decade ago, no one had even heard of youtube, nor did the bandwidth really exist for the project. The emergence of Youtube was unforeseen by, well lets be real, everyone. Microsoft was left standing, as was Google. The access of users to cheap video editing equipment, and further simultaneously given access to the vast array of various uploaded media clips led to an explosion of creativity. | Mar 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | However as time progressed, expectedly those who did well acquired a disproportionate amount of the traffic. Now, I don’t have the figures, but a comparative handful of users provide the significant lions share of the traffic. This has had two detrimental effects on youtube. | Mar 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | "2) The barriers to entry are now essentially prohibitively high. As a few get a large amount of the traffic, the barriers to entry are huge compared to what they were when youtube was relatively a flat and fair forum. Indeed almost the only way to now establish yourself on youtube is with the help of someone who is already established, or to have an existing audience for whom you start making videos, or to simply have | Mar 05 19:04 |
| schestowitz | a truck full of cash to throw at the problem." | Mar 05 19:04 |
| schestowitz | "The following is my suggestion: One way to do this which is arguably dead before it starts is by biasing the YT search algorithms against established players. Now YT will not want to do that on several levels. Firstly ‘established players’ are the ‘cash cows’, they are the ‘known commodities’ that people come to youtube for. Secondly of course, those partner would be pretty unhappy having put all that work | Mar 05 19:05 |
| schestowitz | into establishing a channel merely for YT to come along and decide ‘bad luck fellas, but YT needs more variety’. It would also send a lousy message about the relationship between media producers and youtube. Finally of course, who is likely to fill this gap? Lamentably imitation is easier than innovation and for every youtube ‘celebrity’ there are probably 10 wannabe clones. Even if youtube were to tweak its | Mar 05 19:05 |
| schestowitz | search engine, would it really help?" | Mar 05 19:05 |
| schestowitz | "Billionaire philanthropy is powerful. It goes beyond quaint notions of “doing good.” But it is clear that we need checks and balances on this power. That’s the only way to stop good intentions from turning the United States — and the world — into a plutocracy." | Mar 05 19:27 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: from http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hidden-costs-of-million-dollar-donations/2011/12/20/gIQAzpC1QP_print.html | Mar 05 19:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: The hidden costs of million-dollar donations - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 23.52 KB | Mar 05 19:28 |
| MinceR | turning? | Mar 05 19:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: right | Mar 05 19:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Billionaire philanthropy is powerful." [CITATION NEEDED] | Mar 05 19:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's powerfully destructive | Mar 05 19:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not sustainable by definition | Mar 05 19:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's self interested | Mar 05 19:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | that education reform article said it well... who's going to clean up the colossal mess left by billionaire spawned failures | Mar 05 19:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | ...nobody. | Mar 05 19:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | leaving the world much worse off than before | Mar 05 19:31 |
| schestowitz | http://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/seattles-37th-district-democrats-passes-anti-charter-resolution/ | Mar 05 19:32 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: two more artilces on the subject coming tomorrow | Mar 05 19:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | Waiting for Superman MY ASS. | Mar 05 19:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Seattle’s 37th District Democrats Pass Anti-Charter Resolution | Seattle Education .::. Size~: 548.23 KB | Mar 05 19:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | the superhero metaphor points out the inanity, the pure head-in-ass stupidity of the whole concept | Mar 05 19:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | a billionaire SAVING THE WORLD? | Mar 05 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Mar 05 19:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | things are the opposite of what they claim. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, funded | Mar 05 19:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | Kissinger, Obama, men of peace. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | by them | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | it's called propagands | Mar 05 19:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | Gates, superhero. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | see hold Hitler movies too | Mar 05 19:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | shots from below | Mar 05 19:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | same deal. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | etc. etc. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | oops, did I just invoke Godwin's Law? | Mar 05 19:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | who cares. | Mar 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | remember gates spends over $1 A DAY on "advocacy" | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | i.e. PR | Mar 05 19:34 |
| MinceR | i think you missed a power of 10 over there :> | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | it's alsom good for Gates' peer because it creates the perception that super rich are super heroes | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | and our friends | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | those who save the poor | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | aliens must be laughing from above | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | it's like saying that lions do the zebras a favour by preventing over-population | Mar 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: $1m | Mar 05 19:35 |
| schestowitz | bill throes bnill | Mar 05 19:35 |
| schestowitz | from the roof | Mar 05 19:35 |
| schestowitz | "Bless us bill, throw us some cash" | Mar 05 19:35 |
| schestowitz | The DaCostafication of society | Mar 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | !google da costa techrights | Mar 05 19:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: November 16th, 2011 | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/irc-log-techrights-16112011.html | Mar 05 19:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Andre Da Costa: Profile of a Microsoft Shill | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/01/andre-da-costa-schwag/ | Mar 05 19:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Mandriva | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/category/mandriva/page/2/ | Mar 05 19:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - Mandriva | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/mandriva/ | Mar 05 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Remember when Novell was described as a Linux company? | Mar 05 19:38 |
| XFaCE | Dedomendo apparently doesn't believe in climate change | Mar 05 19:38 |
| XFaCE | That's a shame | Mar 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | After compounding the message for years journalists stopped that | Mar 05 19:38 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Ah, 2004 | Mar 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Same for support of Mono | Mar 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | It became to-be-treated as poison | Mar 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Right now criticising gates is becoming acceptable | Mar 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Which gives more articles to cite | Mar 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | So the PR war of Gates is not going extremely well anymore | Mar 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | We can reverse the inertia, Apple too is losing some PR luster | Mar 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Back to reality, dehyping | Mar 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: Dedomendo is quite smart, what did he say exactly and where? | Mar 05 19:40 |
| XFaCE | http://www.dedoimedo.com/physics/global-warming-what-now.html | Mar 05 19:40 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Global warming, what do you have to say now? .::. Size~: 14.09 KB | Mar 05 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Gore is exploiting it for personal gain and exaggerates, but scientists generally have a good idea | Mar 05 19:40 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: and RMS too | Mar 05 19:40 |
| schestowitz | there's no binary side division there | Mar 05 19:40 |
| schestowitz | let's see where he falls | Mar 05 19:41 |
| schestowitz | "Not everything is mathematical." | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | "There's no equation to it, no logic." | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Actually, there is | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | it's just complex | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | you could also model a lava lamp | Mar 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | and sub-particle stuff, although there's the element of Heisenberg's uncertainty | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | you could model the sun's cycles | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | but there's so much mass there, it's complicated | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | that's how we can predict weather, however weakly | Mar 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | and also, he does not seem to address the point that, the central point of the debate is, what contributions do humans have to it? | Mar 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "Or perhaps it is, but we sure do not understand the mechanisms yet. Science is still in its infancy when it comes to studying our planet, let alone the Sun's playground." | Mar 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | The Sun can contribute too | Mar 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and if we emit a lot of smoke, we cause the greenhouse effect | Mar 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | making matters worse, locking in more of the heat | Mar 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | purely human-causes, more so than volcanoes | Mar 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | he's former physicist | Mar 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | "My name is Igor Ljubuncic. I'm more or less 33 of age, married with no known offspring. Currently, I am employed as the Linux System Expert / Systems Programmer in one of the largest hardware/software/IT companies in the world, working on optimizing kernel images and hacking the living daylights out of Linux. It used to be my hobby and now it's a paying job. What can be more satisfying than that?" | Mar 05 19:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | yay | Mar 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | "Until 2008, I used to earn my bread by working as a physicist in the medical imaging industry. My work expertise focused on problem solving and algorithm development. To this end, I used Matlab extensively, mainly for signal and image processing. Furthermore, I'm certified in several major engineering methodologies, including MEDIC Six Sigma Green Belt, Design of Experiment, and Statistical Engineering." | Mar 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dedoimedo.com/faq.html | Mar 05 19:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: About & Frequenty Asked Questions .::. Size~: 14.26 KB | Mar 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | " I also speak 3 languages, stammer another 2 and can read 5 alphabets." | Mar 05 19:47 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: You know when people bring up that stupid volcano-c02 argument? | Mar 05 19:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | no | Mar 05 19:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't hang around... those kind of people. | Mar 05 19:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | it would make me want to remove my frontal lobe with a fork | Mar 05 19:49 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: The one about how volcano emit more C02 then we have put out over such and such time yadda yadda? | Mar 05 19:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | sigh | Mar 05 19:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | kill me now | Mar 05 19:50 |
| XFaCE | yeah | Mar 05 19:50 |
| XFaCE | My answer is that if this is true, maybe that the natural amount of c02 that the environment can handle | Mar 05 19:50 |
| XFaCE | stability wise | Mar 05 19:50 |
| XFaCE | So if there is already a delicate balance, it doesn't make sense to just add more | Mar 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | the "nature does more damage than us" type of argument | Mar 05 19:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Yes. | Mar 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | we're the lice of Earth, growing sixfold in just 200 years (less than 10 generations) | Mar 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | but we don't have any footprint | Mar 05 19:52 |
| XFaCE | And the environment gets better when we extract the tar sands. | Mar 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | because those billion who used to live here, they REALLY made a lot of trashed burned up A LOT of fossil fuel | Mar 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | let's grow on... 30 billion.. YAY\! | Mar 05 19:52 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: See, when they remove the tar sands, they're restoring the natural environment | Mar 05 19:52 |
| XFaCE | even though that area "naturally" developed with the tar sands where they are | Mar 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I hope this Petri dish doesn't descend into wars while I'm still alive | Mar 05 19:53 |
| XFaCE | Of course it will | Mar 05 19:53 |
| XFaCE | Gotta make those defence contractors happy | Mar 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | See what happened to Australia after deforestation | Mar 05 19:53 |
| XFaCE | See what happened to Venus | Mar 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: "defence" | Mar 05 19:53 |
| XFaCE | sorry | Mar 05 19:54 |
| XFaCE | my apologies | Mar 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | they don't make defence systems | Mar 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | they make offence systems | Mar 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | "Defence department | Mar 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | "Ministry of defence" | Mar 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | "defence forces" | Mar 05 19:54 |
| XFaCE | War mongers | Mar 05 19:54 |
| XFaCE | plutocrats | Mar 05 19:54 |
| XFaCE | psychopaths | Mar 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | imagine that | Mar 05 19:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: wow | Mar 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | a war among nations "defending" themselves... using NAPALM | Mar 05 19:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: Ezra Levant | Mar 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "gotta use us that napalm, bob, we're manufacturing some new one,... better type" | Mar 05 19:55 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: "hosts The Source daily on Sun News Network, and has written several books on politics." | Mar 05 19:55 |
| XFaCE | That's enough | Mar 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Nixon: ok, we'll dump some on Vietnam commies | Mar 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | we'll call it "spreading democracy" | Mar 05 19:56 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: I didn't get your point :P | Mar 05 19:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: he's the shithead who wrote the Ethical Oil book and is constantly propagandising it on TV, papers, etc. | Mar 05 19:56 |
| XFaCE | Ethical oil | Mar 05 19:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: deserves CO2 asphyxiation | Mar 05 19:57 |
| XFaCE | Of course, most of that oil gets exported | Mar 05 19:58 |
| XFaCE | weee | Mar 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Mar 05 20:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | to CHINA | Mar 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm actually debating this with someone else at this moment | Mar 05 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I recycle anything I can, I use the bins for recycling | Mar 05 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I also write a great deal about the environment, which is something my dad got me into since I was a kid. He's donate to WWF and some dolphin-saving groups, among with my sister. Sadly, my sister is no longer into all that stuff. | Mar 05 20:07 |
| schestowitz | xxxx: "yes,i guess not just military industrial complex,it's how the people behave towards the nature,you know e.g even throwing up their garbage they can't even do it the right way." | Mar 05 20:07 |
| schestowitz | "i do the same thing too,im throwing all the plastic stuff in a recycle bin and with regards to this dolphins and whales slaughtering in Japan.I don't know if you happen to see the actual video,that was so horrific,i was crying when im watching the video,coz i can hear the dolphins and whales crying for help. " | Mar 05 20:12 |
| schestowitz | "Actually, Roy, there might be a market for live online/in-person training sessions for people who want to learn #Octave, #SageMath, or #GnuR. I know I'd be interested. Depending on the cost and the schedule, of course." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1372416 | Mar 05 21:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If someone wants to escape #mathworks #matlab for #foss / #linux / #octave then contact me http://schestowitz.com/c/ 10 years experience | Mar 05 21:32 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/03/05/military-facebook-timeline One hand washes the other | Mar 05 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | facek00k | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I sss they aim for the Hispanic population | Mar 05 22:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | clever tactic | Mar 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I could theorise as to why, and why they recruit many from there, but some might choose to label that "Racist" | Mar 05 22:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | "you're not a real american until you stand up for the military and preferably send your kids to be shot to pieces" | Mar 05 22:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | Starship Troopers | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Going back to 1941 when the anti-recruting black men tactcs were similat to today's innuendo about gay serving in the military | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | something along the lines of depressing recruits and loweing morale, etc. | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | "Integration" | Mar 05 22:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Service Guarantees Citizenship" -- Starship Troopers. | Mar 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | In 1941 it was not considered "Racist" for a colonel to write about | Mar 05 22:02 |
| MinceR | Would you like to know more? | Mar 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Right now it's part of Perry's campaign video, "Strong" | Mar 05 22:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: exactly... | Mar 05 22:06 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://tailorred.com/ i's still under construction | Mar 05 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'm helping this client of mine from Malaysia build an online shop, he went to a factory in China last month | Mar 05 22:08 |
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| qu1j0t3 | he can breathe ok. as long as no-one unplugs him. | Mar 05 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2012/03/05/thats-not-science/ | Mar 05 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Nothing wrong with the script-based analysis – but a single GNU/Linux distribution considered to be a representative sample of all free and open source software? | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | That’s not science. | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Black Duck counts MS prorprietary stuff with addons as ""foss" | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Just stuff for proprietary stuff | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | not much meaning to it | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | same for SaaS that one\ cannot really access | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: the smoke is not an issue | Mar 05 23:29 |
| schestowitz | he's meeting the factory owner, not the factory workers | Mar 05 23:30 |
| schestowitz | he's quite wealthy himself, with houses in different countries | Mar 05 23:30 |
| schestowitz | my fiancée too is fairly well off | Mar 05 23:30 |
| schestowitz | her family has just built a nice new home | Mar 05 23:30 |
| schestowitz | photo from last week... http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/r.jpg | Mar 05 23:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Mar 05 23:32 |
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