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| DaemonFC | I've been editing Wikipedia. | Sep 18 00:30 |
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| DaemonFC | I edited XChat's article. While I was in there I pointed out the "re-licensing" controversy for the Windows build. | Sep 18 00:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/arion212112/status/777258345526943745 | Sep 18 00:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Updated Debian 8: 8.6 released https://t.co/yXNH4AXGkV | Sep 18 00:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @arion212112 (www.debian.org) | Sep 18 00:33 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777369385870757888 | Sep 18 01:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25 Years | Sep 18 01:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ago https://t.co/CPZCUlXg2m (www.inverse.com) | Sep 18 01:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Began its Invisible Conquest of Computing Exactly 25 Years Ago Today | Inverse | Sep 18 01:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777372614536884227 | Sep 18 01:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BFS Scheduler Gets "Substantial Updates" For Linux 4.7 | Sep 18 01:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pSftpbYlky (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 18 01:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BFS Scheduler Gets "Substantial Updates" For Linux 4.7 - Phoronix | Sep 18 01:05 | |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98 | Sep 18 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 98 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 01:05 | |
| DaemonFC | The famous startup sound for Windows 98 was composed by Microsoft sound engineer Ken Kato, who considered it to be a "tough act to follow."[8] | Sep 18 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, delayinng the OS startup for two whole seconds while the computer fetched and played the most annoying sound in the world would be hard to follow. | Sep 18 01:06 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Glatorcom favourited 'BFS Scheduler Gets "Substantial Updates" For Linux 4.7...' | Sep 18 01:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777373811519938561 | Sep 18 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chrome OS gets cryptographically verified enterprise | Sep 18 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | device management https://t.co/rMu1ro5XLf | Sep 18 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.csoonline.com) | Sep 18 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csoonline.com | Chrome OS gets cryptographically verified enterprise device management | CSO Online | Sep 18 01:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://fossforce.com/2016/09/fsf-says-firing-wasnt-discrimatory/ | Sep 18 01:11 |
| schestowitz | "Methinks this questionable SJW is making much too much of a big rowe about this issue." | Sep 18 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | FSF Says Firing Wasn't Discrimatory | FOSS Force | Sep 18 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I looked at Microsoft's latest battery life test between browsers. | Sep 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz | The media wrote about his they manipulated the comparison | Sep 18 01:14 |
| schestowitz | inc. the old versions aspect | Sep 18 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, so Microsoft went back and tested the newer versions. Didn't mention that the previous test only included old versions. | Sep 18 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | Still showed Edge ahead of Chrome 53, but not to the extent that they originally claimed. | Sep 18 01:18 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @justin_devs retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25...' | Sep 18 01:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777377395842113536 | Sep 18 01:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux gave me one of my best gaming experiences yet | Sep 18 01:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mKUEJsGWIS (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 18 01:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/linux-gave-me-one-of-my-best-gaming-experiences-yet.8100 ) | Sep 18 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ItsBiochemical/status/777378159972888577 | Sep 18 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ItsBiochemical: @RedSteinCMD @schestowitz @EugeneDaniels2 @DrJillStein Correct. She wouldn't inter innocent Americans. | Sep 18 01:29 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://twitter.com/ZomgPinkPonies/status/777379088600301568 | Sep 18 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZomgPinkPonies: @MicrosoftEdge Your "lean efficient" new browser using ~27% CPU/~2,200 MB RAM. One tab playing Spotify. #Edgesucks https://t.co/BW2NyUZ1sK | Sep 18 01:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Linux gave me one of my best gaming...' | Sep 18 01:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379213141696514 | Sep 18 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25 Years | Sep 18 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ago https://t.co/DhVdQE5k4Q (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25 Years Ago | Tux Machines | Sep 18 01:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379214316056578 | Sep 18 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software Freedom Day Coverage https://t.co/PLazDEy1YY | Sep 18 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software Freedom Day Coverage | Tux Machines | Sep 18 01:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379215524044800 | Sep 18 01:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel News https://t.co/hdghEaCh2S | Sep 18 01:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 01:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel News | Tux Machines | Sep 18 01:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379216920748036 | Sep 18 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux gave me one of my best gaming experiences yet | Sep 18 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LDJwVAoIas (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux gave me one of my best gaming experiences yet | Tux Machines | Sep 18 01:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379217935785984 | Sep 18 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Raspberry Pi With Linux https://t.co/Y8U6AdpW1d | Sep 18 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 01:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi With Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 18 01:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer @ZomgPinkPonies now | Sep 18 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | @windowsblog @MicrosoftEdge Is there some reason why it's possible for Edge to use 27% CPU and 2.2 GB RAM with one tab open playing Spotify? | Sep 18 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds like you can save all kinds of battery power by not opening it. | Sep 18 01:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/777380330160267264 | Sep 18 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz "Best things in life are systemd free..." - Mr Green lol #linux | Sep 18 01:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarcherLord1/status/777389317991915520 | Sep 18 02:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MarcherLord1: "There's no evidence of a terror connection" But there will be soon https://t.co/RIpOpgNkQD | Sep 18 02:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: NY Mayor Bill de Blasio speaks of an explosion as though any incident is to be treated, by default, as suspected "terrorism". #politics | Sep 18 02:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Abnormal4norflk/status/777389683521224704 | Sep 18 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Abnormal4norflk: @MarcherLord1 @schestowitz Pressure cookers are known to be susceptible to mental illness. It's the pressure.. | Sep 18 02:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NoSleepForTony/status/777391262450196481 | Sep 18 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoSleepForTony: @MarcherLord1 it's amazing how the T word cannot be uttered when it's so blatantly obvious that's the case. @schestowitz | Sep 18 02:20 | |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10?wteswitched=1#Redstone | Sep 18 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | I added... | Sep 18 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 02:21 | |
| DaemonFC | In the Anniversary Update, Cortana now completely ignores the user's default web browser and preferred search engine and only opens with Microsoft Edge, which forces search results to load in Bing, even if the user has a different preferred search provider in Edge. Microsoft claims that it is necessary to force Windows users to use Bing, to prevent a "compromised experience that is less reliable and predictable".[220] Users had previously | Sep 18 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | been getting around the Bing restriction by installing Chrome extensions like bing2google[221], and Firefox had been redirecting Cortana searches to the user's default search engine in Firefox.[222] Nevertheless, another workaround was found in a matter of days of the Anniversary Edition release, which restores the ability to direct Cortana searches to the user's preferred browser and search engine.[223] | Sep 18 02:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/paulhindes/status/777392594863218688 | Sep 18 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@paulhindes: @schestowitz Looking more like Cheney every day. | Sep 18 02:24 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 18 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The utility registers itself as the handler for anything that opens Microsoft Edge, and then lets you choose a browser to open instead. | Sep 18 02:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7850141 | Sep 18 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch #microsoft #openwashing of proprietary pile of crap #SharePoint https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/The-DEVintersection-Countdown-Show/Chris-McNulty-talks-SharePoint-in-the-cloud-on-premise-and-open-source-at-SharePoint-intersection-Fa where #snowden extracted all material from | Sep 18 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | "Cute" | Sep 18 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> channel9.msdn.com | Chris McNulty talks SharePoint in the cloud, on-premise and open source at SharePoint intersection Fall Count Down Show #5 | The DEVintersection Countdown Show | Channel 9 | Sep 18 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder if this will fool anyone | Sep 18 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo is in the news for selling to Verizon. | Sep 18 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think most people would be stunned to learn that Yahoo still exists. | Sep 18 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | More than half of Firefox users immediately switched the search engine back to Google, so the deal wasn't worth what Yahoo thought it would be. | Sep 18 03:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777380079135514625 | Sep 18 05:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" https://t.co/LygsgTWvdX | Sep 18 05:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slackel.gr | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" - .:Slackel - Hellenic Linux Distribution::. | Sep 18 05:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777404351631372288 | Sep 18 05:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" https://t.co/szg99ZMaI2 | Sep 18 05:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 05:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" | Tux Machines | Sep 18 05:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kizamazuki/status/777412787572203520 | Sep 18 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kizamazuki: @schestowitz what else could it be? | Sep 18 06:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/777419119629049856 | Sep 18 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: "Britain’s forces are not configured for defence. They are configured for attack." https://t.co/eE4mUlmyWh | Sep 18 06:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk population controlled and outrageous waste on #trident justified using fictional threats and fear https://t.co/0SAn93zCXa | Sep 18 06:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rdnzl25/status/777421183335686144 | Sep 18 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rdnzl25: @schestowitz Given that it's an incident involving 2 explosive devices designed to kill & maim, it's not exactly a wild idea, is it? | Sep 18 06:37 | |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/6ixRole/status/777450362429173762 | Sep 18 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@6ixRole: No Blind + Smalling & Fellaini = Crap build up play = Pogba dropping deep + Rooney being a traffic cone = no link from midfield to attack. | Sep 18 06:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/777459069762334720 | Sep 18 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rbanffy: @schestowitz the MaaS360 name is extremely disconcerting. I worked on Canonical's MAAS product... | Sep 18 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | We used it to distribute desktop OSes for a large client | Sep 18 06:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777460603338186752 | Sep 18 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz it's more important than that. It tells CIOs (often fmr accountants) not to bother their pretty little heads over the details. | Sep 18 06:56 | |
| schestowitz | yes, I've been arguing this for years. Vendor lock-in, customer data protection, etc. | Sep 18 06:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777462170023976960 | Sep 18 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz The software-defined data centre is the latest shell game. | Sep 18 07:03 | |
| schestowitz | and AT&T is diving in... in a very big way, which given their history with the NSA gives reasons for concern. | Sep 18 07:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777465641942986752 | Sep 18 07:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz I tagged a Verizon rep on this issue once. @WashAuthor has much to say on AT&T collaboration with spooks. | Sep 18 07:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777457483229036544 | Sep 18 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks | Sep 18 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Powered by Android’ https://t.co/b6FGKEuyeo | Sep 18 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (9to5google.com) | Sep 18 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 07:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks ‘Powered by Android’ | 9to5Google | Sep 18 07:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777464782555320320 | Sep 18 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fdj6GKSYdL (www.ubuntubuzz.com) | Sep 18 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 07:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 07:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777470811049431040 | Sep 18 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz What do you mean? Our (open) core is open source! And although 'core' sounds tiny it is probably >80% of our stack. | Sep 18 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777471577692708865 | Sep 18 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Still not sure I understand. Probably you should have a look into our open source projects. They are completely useable w/o us. | Sep 18 07:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777471898951225344 | Sep 18 07:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz See also https://t.co/VuwiAhdIVe | Sep 18 07:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777472291106062336 | Sep 18 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Many companies say they are open source companies whereas they are just open core (with a small core) & we are honest abt this | Sep 18 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | I call out those other companies too | Sep 18 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777473028158521345 | Sep 18 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz But to be honest: you still haven't explained your complain to me in our case :) | Sep 18 07:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777473609556197376 | Sep 18 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Plus: show me a 100% open source company ;) | Sep 18 07:47 | |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is almost that | Sep 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/52x69s/why_is_linux_not_more_popular_than_it_is/\ | Sep 18 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why is Linux not more popular than it is? : linux | Sep 18 07:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/536dpm/what_do_i_give_up_by_running_a_lite_version_of/ | Sep 18 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | What do I give up by running a "lite" version of Linux? : linux | Sep 18 08:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777468411882401792 | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS theme | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/nEymVPMNz5 (www.dedoimedo.com) | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zdlgp3F4Y2 (www.dedoimedo.com) | Sep 18 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | The hunt for the perfect CentOS theme | Sep 18 08:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 08:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | How to tame and pimp Xfce on CentOS 7 | Sep 18 08:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777475493201383424 | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | “experience with KMail is a good experience, and I think | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | I won’t need to go back to Thunderbird” | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/M8bYxQOipI (blogs.churlaud.com) | Sep 18 08:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483420343541761 | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Powered by Android’ https://t.co/2S9nMqUtJP | Sep 18 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 08:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks ‘Powered by Android’ | Tux Machines | Sep 18 08:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777484808888934405 | Sep 18 08:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: me too, Roy! https://t.co/kmPROYueQe | Sep 18 08:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I have tried many text editors over the years (dozens). I always come back to #kate (with GUI) and #nano (without GUI/ncurses). #freesw | Sep 18 08:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483421643780096 | Sep 18 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/liDdbI91No (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 08:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Tux Machines | Sep 18 08:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483422767820804 | Sep 18 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS https://t.co/bQzmIvmYgN | Sep 18 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 08:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS | Tux Machines | Sep 18 08:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777490229414494208 | Sep 18 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux | Sep 18 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jGYrUMHyVs (www.techdrivein.com) | Sep 18 08:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdrivein.com | Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux | Sep 18 08:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @taskwarrior favourited 'Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux...' | Sep 18 09:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777493804182036481 | Sep 18 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Elementary OS 0.4 (Overview) https://t.co/rF50JHC7bm | Sep 18 09:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elementary OS 0.4 (Overview) - YouTube | Sep 18 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777494692787355650 | Sep 18 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New release: Semi-Automatic OS v. 5 | Sep 18 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/WGhVrzQR5W (fromgistors.blogspot.com) | Sep 18 10:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fromgistors.blogspot.com | From GIS to Remote Sensing: New release: Semi-Automatic OS v. 5 | Sep 18 10:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777504074530971648 | Sep 18 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Plasma Lock Screen https://t.co/PFiXnP5lt6 | Sep 18 10:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777519730668240896 | Sep 18 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OpenWeatherMapProvider for CyanogenMod 13 | Sep 18 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MRkhVnT6ef (matej.ceplovi.cz) | Sep 18 10:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520146994913281 | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Debian’s GTK-3+ v3.21 breaks Debian MATE 1.14, Gtk3 is | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | breaking apps all around." https://t.co/dCr9ttxus8 | Sep 18 10:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520483566780416 | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung's high-end Android clamshell appears in live | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | images https://t.co/yK0mUMQ7wJ (www.phonearena.com) | Sep 18 10:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Samsung's high-end Android clamshell appears in live images | Sep 18 10:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520946311823360 | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 (SM-Z200F) Certified in Indonesia, likely | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launching soon https://t.co/dJNGiN3ayf | Sep 18 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 18 10:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 (SM-Z200F) Certified in Indonesia, likely Launching soon - Tizen Experts | Sep 18 10:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777521202042732546 | Sep 18 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A WebKit Update for Ubuntu https://t.co/Bf103sZwpo | Sep 18 11:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777522130766266368 | Sep 18 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hyperledger and the Linux Foundation Opens Doors to the | Sep 18 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Public Blockchain Space https://t.co/gkxGDDsIL4 | Sep 18 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.cryptocoinsnews.com) | Sep 18 11:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cryptocoinsnews.com | Hyperledger and the Linux Foundation Opens Doors to the Public Blockchain Space - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News | Sep 18 11:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777522314250489856 | Sep 18 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME Games 3.22: the Giant Leap https://t.co/gTrScaeVvT | Sep 18 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (bytesgnomeschozo.blogspot.com) | Sep 18 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bytesgnomeschozo.blogspot.com | Bytes, Gnomes & Chozo: GNOME Games 3.22: the Giant Leap | Sep 18 11:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/777527583101612035 | Sep 18 11:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: #copymafia RT @schestowitz #Elsevier Wants #CloudFlare to Expose Pirate Sites https://t.co/cKyTjwyij2 Had there been no CF.... then... | Sep 18 11:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Elsevier Wants CloudFlare to Expose Pirate Sites - TorrentFreak | Sep 18 11:21 | |
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| XRevan86 | > Debian’s GTK-3+ v3.21 breaks Debian MATE 1.14, Gtk3 is breaking apps all around | Sep 18 11:31 |
| XRevan86 | At least here it's not that much of a Gtk3 problem. | Sep 18 11:31 |
| XRevan86 | because Gtk 3.21 is not a released version | Sep 18 11:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777523637003902977 | Sep 18 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If you swap the term with "ticket to high pay employment" ("higher education" [sic]), the injustice is made clearer https://t.co/enqnHs2TFP | Sep 18 12:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrJillStein: RT if you agree that higher education is a right, not a privilege. The #PowerToThePeoplePlan cancels student debt: https://t.co/ZzlV2eplcW | Sep 18 12:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777522772763373568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777522583772225536 | Sep 18 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Note7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket https://t.co/a35q3eFk6Y reading a script from the lawyers? | Sep 18 12:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidpolice.com | [Video] President of Samsung US apologizes for Note7 recall | Sep 18 12:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Note7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket https://t.co/bUZ278Zwzo | Sep 18 12:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidcentral.com | Note 7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket | Android Central | Sep 18 12:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777535813898866692 | Sep 18 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Sep 18 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T6nzUfUQjt (techrights.org) | Sep 18 13:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Techrights | Sep 18 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/katiecannon2/status/777547332107771904 | Sep 18 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@katiecannon2: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Not to mention education necessary for thriving democracy. | Sep 18 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777555341051568128 | Sep 18 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Sep 18 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/T6nzUfUQjt (techrights.org) | Sep 18 13:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Slackware Updates https://t.co/kmLrII23Ks | Sep 18 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware Updates | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560307476475904 | Sep 18 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/Rm3HcKoTFx | Sep 18 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560308487368704 | Sep 18 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/9JMChuyqnt | Sep 18 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560309821091840 | Sep 18 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/OiZ4kfGCN1 | Sep 18 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560310865461248 | Sep 18 16:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/f7fS227Icp | Sep 18 16:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 18 16:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/slackolinux/status/777574660762324992 | Sep 18 16:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Slackware Updates https://t.co/kmLrII23Ks | Sep 18 16:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @slackolinux (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 16:12 |
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| cubexyz | new vim version 8.0: | Sep 18 16:55 |
| cubexyz | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vim/vim/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt | Sep 18 16:55 |
| cubexyz | on FC1 I used vim 6.4 :) | Sep 18 16:56 |
| cubexyz | got to say I'm not too excited about the "MS-Windows DirectX support" | Sep 18 16:59 |
| cubexyz | there's even an Amiga version 8.0 | Sep 18 17:00 |
| cubexyz | there's an interesting history to vi | Sep 18 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777609144916406272 | Sep 18 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Recently in Techrights https://t.co/v5jR4hmTDb | Sep 18 17:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 18 17:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Recently in Techrights https://t.co/v5jR4hmTDb' | Sep 18 17:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777613922262102016 | Sep 18 17:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Recently in Techrights https://t.co/QkdnhEzn90' | Sep 18 17:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777617238169939968 | Sep 18 17:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Remember The Milk Now Has an Official Linux App | Sep 18 17:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GnxSqMQlEm (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 18 17:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Remember The Milk Now Has an Official Linux App - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 18 17:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777623740628738048 | Sep 18 17:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-x86 6.0 Marshmallow Uses Mesa 12.0, Adds F2FS | Sep 18 17:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | File-System https://t.co/ZrVh7kYPE7 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 18 17:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android-x86 6.0 Marshmallow Uses Mesa 12.0, Adds F2FS File-System - Phoronix | Sep 18 17:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777625989610340352 | Sep 18 17:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Media Player Indicator Is A Slick Sound Menu for #GNOME | Sep 18 17:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shell https://t.co/XGY8qXnOL2 (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 18 17:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Media Player Indicator Is A Slick Sound Menu for GNOME Shell - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 18 17:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone keeps reverting my edits about Cortana on the Windows 10 article. So I rephrased it and added an entry about disabling Cortana completely. | Sep 18 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows 10 "Redstone", Cortana ignores the user's default web browser and search engine and only opens web searches with Microsoft Edge and Bing. Microsoft claims that this is necessary to prevent a "compromised experience that is less reliable and predictable".[134] Users had previously been using their preferred search engine by installing Chrome extensions like bing2google[135], and Firefox had been redirecting Cortana searches to the | Sep 18 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | user's default search engine.[136] Nevertheless, another workaround was devised following the "Redstone" release, which restores the ability to direct Cortana searches to the user's preferred browser and search engine, by way of an open source utility called SearchWithMyBrowser that hooks into the "microsoft-edge:" protocol and opens anything that calls it in the user's preferred browser.[137][138] | Sep 18 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 "Redstone" removes the setting to turn off Cortana that was previously in the Cortana settings menu. However, users can still disable Cortana by using the Group Policy Editor or a registry setting.[139] | Sep 18 18:31 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Privacy_and_data_collection | Sep 18 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 18:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Glad to see they didn't succeed in shoving this off into the Criticism of Microsoft page. | Sep 18 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Rock Paper Shotgun writer Alec Meer argued that Microsoft's intent for this data collection lacked transparency, stating that "there is no world in which 45 pages of policy documents and opt-out settings split across 13 different settings screens and an external website constitutes 'real transparency'."[273] | Sep 18 18:36 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Firefox_for_iOS | Sep 18 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Firefox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 18:53 | |
| DaemonFC | I added a short description of the main problem that was keeping Firefox off of iOS. | Sep 18 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | One reason given by Mozilla was that prior to iOS 8, Apple had supplied third-party browsers with an inferior version of their JavaScript engine which hobbled their performance, making it impossible to match Safari's JavaScript performance on the iOS platform.[156] Apple later opened their "Nitro" JavaScript engine to third-party browsers.[157] | Sep 18 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac | Sep 18 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Explorer for Mac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 18:58 | |
| DaemonFC | The main developer of Microsoft's Tasman layout engine workeed at Mozilla for a while. | Sep 18 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantek_%C3%87elik | Sep 18 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like he still does. | Sep 18 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tantek Çelik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 18:58 | |
| DaemonFC | Why do they get so many people from Microsoft? | Sep 18 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | They had Window Snyder there to as their "Chief Security Something-or-Other" for a while. | Sep 18 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | She was the Program Manager for Windows XP Service Pack 2. | Sep 18 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | SP2 didn't make huge security improvements in XP. | Sep 18 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | It was a proverbial bandaid on the equally proverbial broken leg. | Sep 18 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | It was released purely to make the media report that Microsoft had done something about the persistent security problems on XP. | Sep 18 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | I was in the Service Pack 2 testing program, so I got it before anyone else did. | Sep 18 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | The main difference is after I installed it, some programs that previously worked crashed. So Microsoft ended up backing out some security features to make programs work again. :P | Sep 18 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | When it comes to usability vs security, usability wins just about every time. | Sep 18 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | That's why Flash is still hanging around by default in Edge, even though MS has to release emergency patches for it every couple of weeks. | Sep 18 19:05 |
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| MinceR | Adobe Trash and usability in the same sentence? :> | Sep 18 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, Chrome and Edge still have it by default, but Google is trying to phase it out. | Sep 18 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | The next phase of the plan is to whitlist the ten most popular websites and only allow flash on those. | Sep 18 20:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777626608899416065 | Sep 18 20:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What is cloud native computing? https://t.co/tuxfJNnh1M | Sep 18 20:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.computerweekly.com) | Sep 18 20:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com | What is cloud native computing? - Open Source Insider | Sep 18 20:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777663668003536897 | Sep 18 20:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | FreeBSD 11.0 RC3 https://t.co/Tsg1AWOouA | Sep 18 20:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 11.0 RC3 | Tux Machines | Sep 18 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't see how it could be a coincidence that Microsoft's malicious attacks against user choice and other software running on Windows returned as soon as the Consent Decree expired. | Sep 18 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Versions of Windows released while they were under the consent decree _had_ Internet Explorer, but they never forced you to use it. | Sep 18 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 has all sorts of things that pop up Edge with no respect for default browser. | Sep 18 20:24 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/9Q9JF | Sep 18 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Russia bans Pornhub, YouPorn—tells citizens to “meet someone in real life” | Ars Technica UK | Sep 18 20:32 | |
| MinceR | i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 18 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Sep 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Sep 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | There are so many gaps in Microsoft Edge's extensions platform as to render it nearly useless. Microsoft says work is ongoing, but since it refuses to make a proper app out of Edge, it still gets its updates with Windows, so that will take another 8-9 months. We'll be well into next year before Adblock Plus works properly. | Sep 18 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Does Edge use less power? Well, maybe technically, but you'll spend so much extra time trying to deal with a less-than-ideal browsing experience (including trying to read past the ads in your search results that aren't being blocked) that it'll take longer to get stuff done, thus undoing most of the efficiency it gives you vs. Chrome 53, which made some huge gains in power consumption itself. | Sep 18 21:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777663669064773632 | Sep 18 22:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | FreeBSD 11.0 Gets One Last Release Candidate Build, Final | Sep 18 22:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version Is Coming Soon https://t.co/dzQ4NX1YHf | Sep 18 22:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 22:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 11.0 Gets One Last Release Candidate Build, Final Version Is Coming Soon | Tux Machines | Sep 18 22:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'FreeBSD 11.0 Gets One Last Release Candidate Build,...' | Sep 18 22:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | Looks like Lenovo not only locked the RAID mode in at the BIOS level, they encrypted and signed the BIOS, Authenticode style, so you can't modify it. | Sep 18 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Linux doesn't seem to be able to use the Samsung SSD in the Yoga 900 ultrabook because of this. | Sep 18 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | So there does not appear to be any way to run any OS but Windows 10 on this machine. | Sep 18 23:48 |
| cubexyz | can't boot from CD? | Sep 18 23:49 |
| cubexyz | or USB drive? | Sep 18 23:49 |
| cubexyz | usually there's a way to disable secure boot | Sep 18 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, You can run it, you just can't install it. | Sep 18 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo says that they may fix it, but I'd imagine that Linux will implement a workaround before that happens. | Sep 19 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | Some kind of special RAID mode that Linux doesn't support. | Sep 19 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | Other ultrabook OEMs have fixed the issue by a BIOS update that lets you put it in AHCI/SATA mode. | Sep 19 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Some users have reported that the Windows 10 installer doesn't reccognize it either. | Sep 19 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | But that might have changed. There is new install media for the Anniversary Edition. | Sep 19 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | According to another user, you can add drivers for the SSD into the Windows 10 install image and then it will see the SSD. That doesn't help with Linux though. | Sep 19 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like the latest BIOS update that Lenovo put on their support site is three versions behind the one installed on my computer. | Sep 19 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | No release notes or any mention at all of the version on my computer. | Sep 19 00:44 |
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| MarkBilk_ | Russia bans Pornhub, YouPorn—tells citizens to “meet someone in real life” | Ars Technica UK | Sep 19 02:03 |
| MarkBilk_ | <MinceR> i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 19 02:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777743873204420608 | Sep 19 02:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.8-rc7 Kernel Released: Final In 1~2 Weeks | Sep 19 02:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ShO0hMfkVx (lkml.iu.edu) | Sep 19 02:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.8-rc7 | Sep 19 02:06 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.8-rc7 Kernel Released: Final In 1~2 Weeks - Phoronix | Sep 19 02:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.8 Could Land October 2 as Linus Torvalds Announces the Seventh RC | Sep 19 02:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777744285567447040 | Sep 19 02:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4MLinux 20.0 Promises to Be a Special Version, Final | Sep 19 02:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Release Launches November 1 https://t.co/nMA8OCI7TI | Sep 19 02:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 20.0 Promises to Be a Special Version, Final Release Launches November 1 | Sep 19 02:06 | |
| MarkBilk_ | The ban is simply to maintain quality. pornhub has malware scams and youporn looks pretty boring. xvideos.com is much better. | Sep 19 02:06 |
| MarkBilk_ | DaemonFC: Who the heck is Ryan Farmer? | Sep 19 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | Me | Sep 19 02:09 |
| MarkBilk_ | ok, thanks | Sep 19 02:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095259/browsers/confirmed-only-microsoft-edge-will-play-netflix-content-at-1080p-on-your-pc.html | Sep 19 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Confirmed: Only Microsoft Edge will play Netflix content at 1080p on your PC | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/pla3y ] | Sep 19 04:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777750576037785600 | Sep 19 04:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Officially Released, Brings | Sep 19 04:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | over 90 Security Fixes https://t.co/Pw943hdPr9 | Sep 19 04:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Officially Released, Brings over 90 Security Fixes | Sep 19 04:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777750936911548416 | Sep 19 04:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Why real hackers prefer Linux over Windows and Mac | Sep 19 04:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/4BhBl537VL (www.techworm.net) | Sep 19 04:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworm.net | Why real hackers prefer Linux over Windows and Mac » TechWorm | Sep 19 04:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777751253933756416 | Sep 19 04:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Avidemux 2.6.14 Open-Source Video Editor Supports | Sep 19 04:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lagarith Lossless Video Codec https://t.co/A31tyjZ9gc | Sep 19 04:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DamonRobins/status/777795382130552832 | Sep 19 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DamonRobins: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Mr. Trump's plan is to allow them to bring their money back in to the country with a flat 10% tax on it. | Sep 19 05:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/STFUnwo/status/777799585683169280 https://twitter.com/STFUnwo/status/777799941448208384 | Sep 19 05:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@STFUnwo: @schestowitz @DrJillStein I've been meeting witheld pro #gmo crowd. @ETtuCarl. They're fucked. Carl drop some knowledge. You're good at that | Sep 19 05:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@STFUnwo: @TakeThatGMOs @schestowitz @DrJillStein I'll help you with sources. & examples of misconduct. | Sep 19 05:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/5PTxAYAWTA | Sep 19 06:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 19 06:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/5PTxAYAWTA' | Sep 19 06:17 | |
| schestowitz | [07:06] <MarkBilk_> The ban is simply to maintain quality. pornhub has malware scams and youporn looks pretty boring. xvideos.com is much better. | Sep 19 06:47 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 19 06:47 |
| schestowitz | [07:03] <MarkBilk_> <MinceR> i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 19 06:47 |
| schestowitz | so said Steve Jobs | Sep 19 06:48 |
| schestowitz | censorship in the guise of "quality" | Sep 19 06:48 |
| schestowitz | because "the children!" | Sep 19 06:48 |
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| XRevan86 | Distribution of pornography is illegal in Russian Federation. | Sep 19 06:53 |
| XRevan86 | Quality is not the matter here. | Sep 19 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777822281259159552 | Sep 19 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? https://t.co/bIfIudkT1h | Sep 19 07:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824826169917441 | Sep 19 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter | Sep 19 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | should come to Linux soon https://t.co/5DiFE5KXos | Sep 19 07:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter should come to Linux soon | GamingOnLinux | Sep 19 07:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824863125852160 | Sep 19 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Overcoming language and distance barriers in open source | Sep 19 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | projects https://t.co/GBUtDe7RX4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 07:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Overcoming language and distance barriers in open source projects | Tux Machines | Sep 19 07:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824864463785988 | Sep 19 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A beginner's bumpy journey to find a few good bugs | Sep 19 07:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A beginner's bumpy journey to find a few good bugs | Tux Machines | Sep 19 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777824928385097728 | Sep 19 07:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz someone once defined a gentleman as someone who 1) holds doors open for ladies and 2) doesn't pay his tailor. ;) | Sep 19 07:04 | |
| schestowitz | Haha, good one | Sep 19 07:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824865487163392 | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? https://t.co/o6H9tws4O9 | Sep 19 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? | Tux Machines | Sep 19 07:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/QvA8nygnS7 | Sep 19 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824867605360641 | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/SExJHlkdRA | Sep 19 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter...' | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter...' | Sep 19 07:18 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/QvA8nygnS7' | Sep 19 07:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777826282738421760 | Sep 19 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz to my shame I forget who the originator was. :( | Sep 19 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EtTuCarl/status/777838485042442240 https://twitter.com/EtTuCarl/status/777838661979082752 | Sep 19 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EtTuCarl: @STFUnwo @schestowitz @DrJillStein This is the heavy hitting you promised? A software engineer and a politician? | Sep 19 11:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EtTuCarl: @STFUnwo @schestowitz @DrJillStein What exactly is the "suppressed" research? | Sep 19 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/777842213011197952 | Sep 19 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Old news but worth circulating @schestowitz Firefox Browser vulnerable to Man-in-the-Middle Attack https://t.co/jaXjFmJgMq | Sep 19 11:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TakeThatGMOs/status/777883945463611392 | Sep 19 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TakeThatGMOs: @STFUnwo @schestowitz Thank you. What is the source for "bribes to produce fake research" & "threatens people who produce legit research"? | Sep 19 11:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RamyYaacoub/status/777901545526554628 | Sep 19 12:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamyYaacoub: Blackmail... https://t.co/Ne0qs3KoqZ | Sep 19 12:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Egypt threatens to let hundreds of thousands of migrants into #EU as row with #Italy erupts https://t.co/eDaDhUxXAG | Sep 19 12:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatch/status/777903080197222400 | Sep 19 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatch: @schestowitz Fair enuf, your alert readership on IP issues is appreciated. But on Swiss thing, it was just interesting on eve of WIPO talks | Sep 19 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | Sorry for my seemingly strongly-worded remark. It's probably coming across as ruder as I intended in text-only form. | Sep 19 12:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatch/status/777906560509026305 | Sep 19 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatch: @schestowitz understood. We're just sensitive as we highly value our independent position on all issues as much as possible... | Sep 19 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | I'll be more careful with my words in the future | Sep 19 12:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777906982502207488 | Sep 19 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz it's true that if the system worked, there would be no need of this. But the system does not work and won't work for decades | Sep 19 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | It's starting to improve with Section 101 | Sep 19 12:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777907184353079296 | Sep 19 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz it's the same as complaining about humans not being able to communicate if they're far away. You can complain forever... | Sep 19 12:29 | |
| schestowitz | Different issue altogether | Sep 19 12:29 |
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| antilope | dear mr. Schestowitz.. | Sep 19 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777907551207849984 | Sep 19 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz ...about the human beings and wait millions of years for evolution to give us telepathy, or you can invent the Internet | Sep 19 12:31 | |
| schestowitz | antilope: hi | Sep 19 12:31 |
| schestowitz | antilope: what's up? | Sep 19 12:32 |
| antilope | I like to read your news on the EPO! I am an examiner | Sep 19 12:32 |
| antilope | many of follow your sire (at home..) | Sep 19 12:33 |
| antilope | site | Sep 19 12:33 |
| antilope | is there a topic on which you are really interested for info? I mean patent wise, not those subjects like Topic, Bergot etc... | Sep 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz | thanks, let me think | Sep 19 12:36 |
| antilope | I for example got a list with EP grants that are not new .... where the search work was soooo apalling you can hardly believe it | Sep 19 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I think patent scope (what I covered before the BB scandals) is importanyt | Sep 19 12:37 |
| antilope | because that is the latest develoment, Munich style searches become standard... | Sep 19 12:37 |
| antilope | aha that is interesting indeed | Sep 19 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I lack information about the stocks and the nature of patents, e.g. software | Sep 19 12:38 |
| antilope | aha for us quite easy to find in the overall workload system | Sep 19 12:38 |
| schestowitz | EPO promotes software patents in Twitter a lot this month, much to our shock (FFII also) | Sep 19 12:38 |
| schestowitz | they call it "computer-implemented" usually | Sep 19 12:39 |
| schestowitz | or CII | Sep 19 12:39 |
| antilope | our guess is, within 2 to 3 years we are out of stock (also for examination) and than the big question is what next with us examiners | Sep 19 12:39 |
| antilope | I also sometimes grant controllers, but it is in mz case always linked to an apparatus (a control for ...) | Sep 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Worry for examiners, yes | Sep 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz | i worry about all those patents that sneaked in and are of low quality | Sep 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz | including patents on plants, algorithms, etc. | Sep 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz | the apparatus thing is the loophole of Brimelow | Sep 19 12:41 |
| schestowitz | the "as such" thing, which means say it's connected to a "device" or "apparatus" to make it look not abstract | Sep 19 12:41 |
| antilope | there are plenty bad grants, but it is now getting an epidemia | Sep 19 12:41 |
| schestowitz | EPO (in Twitter) not actually advertises these loopholes, it helps applicants get around the rules to increase "productivity" I suppose, or "production" | Sep 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz | any information related to this would be handy | Sep 19 12:42 |
| antilope | the question is, are patents a goal or just a means | Sep 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz | without patent numbers as that can reveal identity of examiners assigned these | Sep 19 12:42 |
| antilope | I will think a bit for you and keep you updated under this name | Sep 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz | antilope: Battistelli studied in ENA | Sep 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't think he even knows what patent systems are for | Sep 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz | INPI wasn't just for patents | Sep 19 12:43 |
| schestowitz | also trademarks, like that Wine branding thing of oligarchs in France | Sep 19 12:43 |
| antilope | we all know this, in our opinion he is not the worst but that is minnoye | Sep 19 12:43 |
| antilope | he is the real kind slayer, the one who makes the big damage to the EPO | Sep 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't know enough about him, except that old ILO appeal where he's mentioned | Sep 19 12:44 |
| antilope | CPC is killing us | Sep 19 12:44 |
| antilope | king slayer | Sep 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz | what's CPC, pardon? | Sep 19 12:44 |
| antilope | the classification project with the US | Sep 19 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I think that the EPO wants to attract mirrored applications at the EPO | Sep 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | so that all those patent trolls can get a patent extended to the EPO | Sep 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | with or without the UPC | Sep 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | and then troll European companies, too | Sep 19 12:45 |
| antilope | basically, a lot of the "production increases" got paid by putting less man hours in the classification activities | Sep 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | this would hurt a lot more than just examiners, also Birtish companies here that deal with software | Sep 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz | so it's not production, it's grant | Sep 19 12:46 |
| antilope | we say; He who controls the classification in fact controls the patent quality | Sep 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz | production as measured in grants, not hours put in | Sep 19 12:46 |
| antilope | yes, believe me, this year 2016 will see an enormous rise in grants, sure for me (I guess it will be like 30 % up) | Sep 19 12:47 |
| antilope | we now (as today) grant a lot of stuff that was 10 - 15 years ready on the shelves | Sep 19 12:47 |
| antilope | my oldest one in the docket has a prority date from 1997...curious what will happen after we pass that day | Sep 19 12:48 |
| antilope | meanwhile we neglect collectively the classification system, no maintenance, no new development, no one feeld responsible anymore | Sep 19 12:49 |
| schestowitz | hmmm. | Sep 19 12:50 |
| schestowitz | . | Sep 19 12:50 |
| schestowitz | 1997... | Sep 19 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Romario and Ronaldo... | Sep 19 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Probably retiring by then.. | Sep 19 12:50 |
| antilope | of course, meanwhile a lot of window dressing is going on, it is incredible the production goes up sky high and the quality also... | Sep 19 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Hanson hitting the pop charts... | Sep 19 12:50 |
| antilope | yes, I had to wipe some dust from the yellowed file folders... | Sep 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz | IAM says quality is great | Sep 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz | BB says IAM is great | Sep 19 12:51 |
| antilope | seeing is believing, why not pay a visit to us one day | Sep 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz | FTI Consulting pays IAM and all... | Sep 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's more like a party with a high budget | Sep 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Managing IP appears to have joined | Sep 19 12:51 |
| antilope | IAM is in our opinion not important at al, that is only our own specialist peer group (per technical field) | Sep 19 12:52 |
| schestowitz | kicking off the post-vacation period with UPC proponents getting a platform | Sep 19 12:52 |
| antilope | the next funny event to come is 14 Oct. a social conference one day before AC meeting | Sep 19 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Have these issues been raised to politicians? | Sep 19 12:52 |
| schestowitz | The social issues typically take up all the iota | Sep 19 12:52 |
| antilope | no of course not, what do they know?? | Sep 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | they barely understand what patents are | Sep 19 12:53 |
| antilope | I agree | Sep 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | unless you say something like "innovation" or "R&D" | Sep 19 12:53 |
| antilope | it is sometimes.... | Sep 19 12:53 |
| antilope | but usually not | Sep 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | is the social conference really a conference? | Sep 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Like something to be organised for media impact? | Sep 19 12:54 |
| antilope | it will go from top to root... | Sep 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Social study became "conference" some months back | Sep 19 12:54 |
| antilope | it will be sold as a success | Sep 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I need to undermine these lies about the social situation | Sep 19 12:54 |
| antilope | and only the "recognized" union ie. FFPE is invited (SUEPO of course not) | Sep 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz | but they have a high-budgeted FTI Consulting contracts | Sep 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz | and I know some journalists whose bosses tell them to repeat the EPO's "news" du jour, as per the press releases | Sep 19 12:55 |
| antilope | it is in a way a media war | Sep 19 12:55 |
| schestowitz | FFPE is dead credibility-wise | Sep 19 12:55 |
| antilope | of course they are | Sep 19 12:55 |
| schestowitz | any journalists who chararcterise them as representatives of staff would be viewed as clueless, corrupt, or useful idiots | Sep 19 12:55 |
| antilope | I agree | Sep 19 12:55 |
| schestowitz | yes, there's a media struggle | Sep 19 12:56 |
| schestowitz | SZ are now trying to prove they're not silenced | Sep 19 12:56 |
| schestowitz | but it's too little, too latee | Sep 19 12:56 |
| schestowitz | There's infighting there | Sep 19 12:56 |
| schestowitz | and money at stake | Sep 19 12:56 |
| schestowitz | EPO gave additional 220 ish thousand Euros to pollute Dutch and German media | Sep 19 12:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | More Intel DRM Changes For Linux 4.9, Including DMA-BUF | Sep 19 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Implicit Fencing https://t.co/taZWC6LmUk | Sep 19 12:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-More Intel DRM Changes For Linux 4.9, Including DMA-BUF Implicit Fencing - Phoronix | Sep 19 12:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914351147638784 | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Revisited: Linux Mint 18 "Sarah" KDE + Xfce | Sep 19 12:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Revisited: Linux Mint 18 "Sarah" KDE + Xfce | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | If anyone could find out for me how it's distribute, that would help | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914352871411712 | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Epiphany 3.22 (and a couple new stable releases too!) | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mRXsLajdNF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Epiphany 3.22 (and a couple new stable releases too!) | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | I used to write about how Microsoft did it | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914354125594625 | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Store to Support More Countries for Samsung Z2 | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launch https://t.co/J8zmTnLFvP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. giving 'free' laptops to bloggers | Sep 19 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Store to Support More Countries for Samsung Z2 Launch | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:57 | |
| antilope | let me explain. for most EPO issue money is not really a problem , but just a means | Sep 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz | in exchange for - ahem - 'fair' coverage ahead of releases | Sep 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz | it's a problem when this money corrupts the media | Sep 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz | and then the public is being sold -literally- a lie | Sep 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz | it will happen next month | Sep 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz | "EPO staff is happy about reforms" etc. | Sep 19 12:58 |
| antilope | for us, it is the whole set up with this weak AC on top of the water head that is the problem | Sep 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz | They already paid some big papers, inc. The Financial Times of London | Sep 19 12:58 |
| antilope | plus that seriously not a single politician is interested | Sep 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz | business people read these, they don't bother with blogs or suepo.org | Sep 19 12:58 |
| schestowitz | politicians can't help | Sep 19 12:59 |
| schestowitz | 1. because epo is non-eu body | Sep 19 12:59 |
| antilope | suepo, of which I am not a memer, is quite moderate in the last years | Sep 19 12:59 |
| schestowitz | 2. there's nothing for them to gain, unless it's a french opposition (to sarkozy) party | Sep 19 12:59 |
| schestowitz | we need more leaks from the EPO | Sep 19 12:59 |
| schestowitz | like E-mails that show how the system got 'cooked' to increase grants | Sep 19 12:59 |
| schestowitz | that would harm those who plotted this course | Sep 19 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Grant Philpott shat himself when I did this and I got nasty letters | Sep 19 13:00 |
| schestowitz | one day I'll rerelease that | Sep 19 13:00 |
| schestowitz | the main question is, antilope, what to show for maximal impact | Sep 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they say things they really shouldn't be saying | Sep 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | and once seen from the outside they need to own up to it | Sep 19 13:02 |
| antilope | I do not want to harm, but what we need is a transparant system without secret working contracts, without paid coverage, and without badly searched appliations | Sep 19 13:02 |
| antilope | by the way, all of us love your Topic coverage!! | Sep 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | that would work, but they won't do that out of goodwill | Sep 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | you need to impose transparency | Sep 19 13:03 |
| antilope | I sat with him, what a complete ........ | Sep 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Topic I haven't heard about in a while, I wonder what happened in Zagreb this summer | Sep 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I heard there used to be photos of him in suepo forums | Sep 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | in his Merc | Sep 19 13:04 |
| antilope | As I cannot be sure it is really you, as you cannot be sure it is really antilope, I have to keep a bit vague | Sep 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | which he claims to have bought from SIPO or whatever | Sep 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Is it true some of your folks call him "Putin", still? | Sep 19 13:05 |
| antilope | I do not know | Sep 19 13:05 |
| schestowitz | An article in German said so around 2014 or 2013 | Sep 19 13:05 |
| antilope | I think the poor man has no balls | Sep 19 13:05 |
| antilope | Putin has | Sep 19 13:05 |
| schestowitz | I wll publish something about the IU tomorrow | Sep 19 13:06 |
| antilope | well, you did not read on your latest "security" communique...? | Sep 19 13:07 |
| antilope | Oh we get scanners... | Sep 19 13:07 |
| antilope | and more useless stuff | Sep 19 13:07 |
| schestowitz | body scanners (or for bags) I heard about | Sep 19 13:07 |
| antilope | for bags | Sep 19 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Unless there's something more recent | Sep 19 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I leaked some internal comms about it at the time | Sep 19 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I can link to it as "old news", I need new material if this has escalated since that iranian bloke went on a shooting spree in Munich | Sep 19 13:08 |
| antilope | no no no-one is really interested in the EPO, believe me, you can shoot a cannon and only a few will wake up | Sep 19 13:09 |
| antilope | 20 million for the reward package...a shitty deal for us | Sep 19 13:10 |
| antilope | we are being separated in the Have's and Have-nots | Sep 19 13:10 |
| schestowitz | what's this package? | Sep 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz | A collective award to staff? | Sep 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz | to be split among them? | Sep 19 13:11 |
| antilope | Of course, last 2015 all directors and principal directors got heavily rewarded...but the examiners not | Sep 19 13:12 |
| antilope | yes 9 million for pensionable awards like salary step increases, and the rest for 2 types of bonuses and one-off rewards | Sep 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | they increased "production" | Sep 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | by planning a s***y system | Sep 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | where the priority is to empty the shelves, not properly separate the wheat from the chaff | Sep 19 13:13 |
| antilope | no they did nothing, it was the examiners and the administrative staff, you should have seen the huge piles with grants it was incredible | Sep 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | another USPTO in the making | Sep 19 13:14 |
| antilope | I mean piles to the ceiling, earlier this year | Sep 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz | applicants were probably happy | Sep 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz | until later on, when they find out EPs are losing value | Sep 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz | and people distrust EPs | Sep 19 13:14 |
| antilope | we are now basicallz emptying our stock (examination) and it is going pretty fast | Sep 19 13:14 |
| antilope | you are fully right | Sep 19 13:14 |
| schestowitz | it's easy | Sep 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | checked this, checked that | Sep 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | didn't find anything | Sep 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | decision: grant | Sep 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | it's not even like you have to produce anything, just say "found nothing" | Sep 19 13:15 |
| antilope | and the good news is, we are even rewarded in case op oppositions! | Sep 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | what is that? | Sep 19 13:16 |
| schestowitz | was ist das? | Sep 19 13:16 |
| schestowitz | case op? | Sep 19 13:16 |
| antilope | remark: The bulk what is granted now has still pretty good search reports, but that is going to change quickly | Sep 19 13:16 |
| antilope | in case of an opposition, we get time like 2 or 3 days | Sep 19 13:16 |
| antilope | that is good for our productivity | Sep 19 13:17 |
| antilope | some dicrectorates got 3 times more oppo's as their counterpart (which should be kind of identical) | Sep 19 13:17 |
| antilope | the new mantra is: Timeliness | Sep 19 13:18 |
| antilope | But not a single applicant is interested in this , they want quality | Sep 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | or "early | Sep 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | "? | Sep 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | applicants want quality? | Sep 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Doubt it | Sep 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | they want collective quality | Sep 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | even those who are not applicants and can be sued/shaken down | Sep 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | quality is a long-term reputational thing | Sep 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | take universities for example | Sep 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | my friend's partner has her phd viva in 1.5 weeks | Sep 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | they can just let her pass | Sep 19 13:19 |
| schestowitz | and they're rewarded for it | Sep 19 13:19 |
| antilope | yes believe me, if you put so much money in your patent portfolio you want a certain quality I have been in at least 20 huge companies and they all conveyed this message (think of: Philips, Daikin, Mitsubishi, Honeywell etc etc) | Sep 19 13:20 |
| schestowitz | but at what stage does a university accept so many theses that it's just considered to be a crap university? Same situation at the EPO now.. | Sep 19 13:20 |
| schestowitz | well, they want the veneer of EPO stamp | Sep 19 13:20 |
| schestowitz | to maybe convince the companies they come to meet about "licensing" | Sep 19 13:20 |
| antilope | there are still capable courts active in Europe who decide on the validity of a patent | Sep 19 13:21 |
| schestowitz | but when EPO is associated with patent disputed and trashed in court (see Apple) they'll think twice before suing | Sep 19 13:21 |
| schestowitz | and companies might refuse to pay up | Sep 19 13:21 |
| schestowitz | a patent is just a negotiation card | Sep 19 13:21 |
| antilope | depends on how strong it is | Sep 19 13:21 |
| schestowitz | and EPs will lose their compelling value if the public finds out how shallow the examination is/was | Sep 19 13:21 |
| antilope | EPI pen in the US is another perfect example, complete bogus of course | Sep 19 13:22 |
| schestowitz | epi? | Sep 19 13:22 |
| schestowitz | who deleted their criticism of BB? | Sep 19 13:22 |
| antilope | well this diabetes injector | Sep 19 13:22 |
| schestowitz | ah, different EPI | Sep 19 13:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw an article today about the 'miracle' drug | Sep 19 13:23 |
| antilope | they got a patent on the safety cap, and now charge like 150 dollar for something costing 10 bucks before (thanks USPTO) | Sep 19 13:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive | Sep 19 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vanityfair.com | Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down | Vanity Fair | Sep 19 13:23 | |
| antilope | she is the best | Sep 19 13:23 |
| schestowitz | might want to pass this around in EPO, I've no use for it except in daily links (soon) | Sep 19 13:23 |
| antilope | but she was mentioned as a best foreign inventor.... | Sep 19 13:24 |
| schestowitz | miraculous rise | Sep 19 13:24 |
| schestowitz | 8 bn dollar valuation | Sep 19 13:24 |
| schestowitz | for a scam | Sep 19 13:24 |
| schestowitz | more miraculous then Bergot's appointment even | Sep 19 13:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe BB will pursue hiring her | Sep 19 13:25 |
| schestowitz | she can give a keynote at the Social Conference | Sep 19 13:25 |
| schestowitz | followed by the clowns of FFPE | Sep 19 13:25 |
| antilope | Bergot has tremendous fat ass, according to our secretary who sat with her on the plane.. | Sep 19 13:25 |
| antilope | but you fly out if you make a joke on this! | Sep 19 13:25 |
| schestowitz | I heard some personal insults | Sep 19 13:25 |
| antilope | vous etes vireessss | Sep 19 13:25 |
| schestowitz | I never published these, I pocket these, they're not suitable for publication | Sep 19 13:26 |
| schestowitz | also, they can reveal who talks to who | Sep 19 13:26 |
| antilope | by lauging the misery away we survive, like being in the trenches | Sep 19 13:26 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Sep 19 13:26 |
| schestowitz | the management doesn't like it | Sep 19 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Bergot has two buddies/guards now | Sep 19 13:27 |
| schestowitz | BB's 'treat' | Sep 19 13:27 |
| antilope | we wonder why | Sep 19 13:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure there's some nice phrase for it in French | Sep 19 13:27 |
| antilope | our french colleguaes are not so fond f her, and her big friend | Sep 19 13:27 |
| antilope | but we should respect all players in mz opinion | Sep 19 13:28 |
| schestowitz | does something control BB? | Sep 19 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Like large corporations? (not rhetorical) | Sep 19 13:29 |
| antilope | I guess not | Sep 19 13:29 |
| antilope | no no | Sep 19 13:29 |
| schestowitz | or some politicians (EU/FR)? | Sep 19 13:29 |
| antilope | you have to dig into his family background, it is really simple middle class people with those narrow minded ideas | Sep 19 13:30 |
| schestowitz | so he really does take the plane nosediving into the Alps | Sep 19 13:30 |
| schestowitz | because what he does ruins the Office | Sep 19 13:30 |
| antilope | the see it differently | Sep 19 13:30 |
| antilope | money is no 1 | Sep 19 13:30 |
| antilope | but in our opinion it should be simply that we do our duties, not more and not less | Sep 19 13:31 |
| schestowitz | he can sell his mother's blood for money, but that would not be a virtuous move | Sep 19 13:31 |
| schestowitz | money short term, maybe | Sep 19 13:31 |
| schestowitz | until his term endss | Sep 19 13:31 |
| antilope | so no advertising, no lobbying | Sep 19 13:31 |
| antilope | did you ever contact this Oliveira Prakken office? | Sep 19 13:32 |
| schestowitz | his UPC plans came tumbling down | Sep 19 13:32 |
| antilope | when the EPO org was trying to silence you? | Sep 19 13:32 |
| antilope | that UPC is a lame duck | Sep 19 13:32 |
| schestowitz | no, never spoke to them, why? | Sep 19 13:32 |
| antilope | but the duck does not want to know this | Sep 19 13:32 |
| antilope | btw, realize that a UPC judge is going to earn less than an experienced EPO examiner, so they can forget to attract skilled people accept form Eastern Europe | Sep 19 13:33 |
| antilope | I think these lawyers are pretty good in what they do | Sep 19 13:34 |
| antilope | well, lets wait for end of next week verdict | Sep 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | wait | Sep 19 13:35 |
| schestowitz | you mean "would" | Sep 19 13:35 |
| schestowitz | not "going to" | Sep 19 13:35 |
| schestowitz | All those 'jobs' advertised in the UK for UPC turned out, as I predicted, to be bogus ones, for positions that did not exist or would not exist | Sep 19 13:35 |
| schestowitz | same with the court they were preparing in London | Sep 19 13:35 |
| antilope | the dutch high court, end of next week, to be honest we expect nothing out of it | Sep 19 13:35 |
| schestowitz | nasty strategy of laying the ground before a go-ahead is even given | Sep 19 13:36 |
| antilope | I think so | Sep 19 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I saw the Dutch news | Sep 19 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it last night | Sep 19 13:36 |
| schestowitz | bird and bird folks now have some new spin | Sep 19 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I will write about this tomorrow, I hope | Sep 19 13:36 |
| antilope | Italians can of course forget to get anything, totally insignificant country in Patents | Sep 19 13:36 |
| antilope | please keep on posting, it is great to read | Sep 19 13:37 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Sep 19 13:38 |
| antilope | not all is true in the end, but where smoke is is a fire | Sep 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I might go though the log above, filter out for any sensitive things, use the information in future posts | Sep 19 13:38 |
| antilope | yes please filter! | Sep 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I always do | Sep 19 13:39 |
| antilope | I try not to diclose to uch about myself | Sep 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't publish IRC logs, not until the danger is well over | Sep 19 13:39 |
| antilope | you better not!! | Sep 19 13:40 |
| antilope | See you another time! | Sep 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | yes, thank you for your time | Sep 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | don't worry, I'm protecting sources | Sep 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | and they don't know about one another, in case of honeypot 'sources' | Sep 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | I learned a lot from the mistakes of sites like Wikileaks | Sep 19 13:42 |
| schestowitz | apropos https://theintercept.com/2016/09/18/washpost-makes-history-first-paper-to-call-for-prosecution-of-its-own-source-after-accepting-pulitzer/ | Sep 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz | corporate media | Sep 19 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | WashPost Makes History: First Paper to Call for Prosecution of Its Own Source (After Accepting Pulitzer) | Sep 19 13:43 | |
| MinceR | 19 125405 < XRevan86> Quality is not the matter here. | Sep 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | indeed -- censorship is. | Sep 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz | they start with pr0n | Sep 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz | later Putin will decide that other stuff is indecent | Sep 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz | and will block that too | Sep 19 13:49 |
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| MinceR | they've already blocked other things, iirc | Sep 19 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | yes, in the past | Sep 19 14:28 |
| MinceR | http://oglaf.com/insummary/ | Sep 19 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oglaf.com | In summary | Sep 19 14:38 | |
| MarkBilk_ | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive This is a very interesting article! | Sep 19 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vanityfair.com | Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down | Vanity Fair | Sep 19 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk_: http://techrights.org/2016/06/03/epo-eia2015-fraud/ | Sep 19 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How the EPO Helped Prop Up — With ‘European Inventor Award 2015′ — a Fraud That Killed a Lot of People | Techrights | Sep 19 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk_: black(ish) comedy | Sep 19 14:53 |
| schestowitz | cannibalism | Sep 19 14:53 |
| schestowitz | oops, MinceR I meanty | Sep 19 14:53 |
| schestowitz | *meant | Sep 19 14:53 |
| schestowitz | with a minty tang to it... | Sep 19 14:53 |
| MinceR | dark humor is like food | Sep 19 14:58 |
| MarkBilk_ | Elizabeth Holmes - what a babe! I'd do her -- but I wouldn't let her near me with any needles... | Sep 19 15:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 19 15:03 |
| MarkBilk_ | The saddest thing is that great scientist Ian Gibbons who killed himself over the fraud. | Sep 19 15:06 |
| MarkBilk_ | schestowitz: Good coverage in techrights! | Sep 19 15:08 |
| schestowitz | there are several more in there about her | Sep 19 15:10 |
| schestowitz | probably linked to from the article about | Sep 19 15:10 |
| schestowitz | *avove | Sep 19 15:10 |
| schestowitz | *abive | Sep 19 15:10 |
| schestowitz | *above | Sep 19 15:10 |
| schestowitz | there! | Sep 19 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I need to switch on the light, it just got dark here | Sep 19 15:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 19 15:11 |
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| MinceR | re Holmes: this is where copying crApple gets you | Sep 19 15:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914355299913728 | Sep 19 15:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Private cloud server and IoT gateway runs Ubuntu Snappy | Sep 19 15:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on RPi https://t.co/0yJmd03XXt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 15:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 15:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Private cloud server and IoT gateway runs Ubuntu Snappy on RPi | Tux Machines | Sep 19 15:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914356314976256 | Sep 19 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rolling Release Vs. Fixed Release Distros — Which Linux | Sep 19 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distributions Are Better? https://t.co/pe6L7r4Z7f | Sep 19 15:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rolling Release Vs. Fixed Release Distros — Which Linux Distributions Are Better? | Tux Machines | Sep 19 15:18 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: was she an apple fangirl? | Sep 19 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I must have missed that, but it would not surprise me | Sep 19 15:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe she should have advised patients to just eats nuts and berries to cure cancer. Like Jobs did... | Sep 19 15:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7850335 | Sep 19 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: She needs to call #israel first and find out if #opendebates are OK https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/777168072805408768 | Sep 19 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrJillStein: Call debates commission member Jane Harman, president of @TheWilsonCenter, at 202.691.4202. Ask for #OpenDebates! https://t.co/9WptfRJ3Db | Sep 19 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | oh, counterpunch, good source about the middle east conflict, so obviously free of ANY bias 0o | Sep 19 15:35 |
| schestowitz | but itz ok, the us-politics is organized in israel | Sep 19 15:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Lots of sites wrote about this at the time, maybe thousands | Sep 19 15:36 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Sep 19 15:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the article says yes | Sep 19 15:36 |
| MinceR | lol @ nuts and berries | Sep 19 15:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz you going to the GNOME party on Friday in Manchester? | Sep 19 15:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Sep 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, I think so | Sep 19 15:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I would have possibly, if wasn't so far | Sep 19 15:38 |
| schestowitz | my wife is coming too | Sep 19 15:38 |
| schestowitz | we know the place, went there before | Sep 19 15:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think it's true [H]omer/Slated said so and I think it was mentioned in some article | Sep 19 15:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz yeah Manchester is to far for that | Sep 19 15:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for me | Sep 19 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Jobs and Ellison are on some hardcore delusional s* like Buddhism also | Sep 19 15:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz this reminds me, there's a GNOME conference there on the last weekend of July next year as well | Sep 19 15:39 |
| schestowitz | I guess the event will be well attended | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the weekend before my birthda | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | y | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | next year | Sep 19 15:40 |
| schestowitz | cool | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | manchester is far etc | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so probably won't go to that either | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not that into GNOME now anywy, well I am, but Ubuntu is more excitinga gain | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | again | Sep 19 15:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Unity, tablets phone, unity 8 coming to desktp eventually as default, all that is more exciting | Sep 19 15:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | altough I read there was a GNOME games program on omgubuntu like yesterday for playing retro games and such it seems, that's intertesting | Sep 19 15:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz when did you last go to a Linux etc event FOSS? | Sep 19 15:41 |
| schestowitz | years ago | Sep 19 15:42 |
| schestowitz | I keep planning but then change my mind due to other priorities | Sep 19 15:42 |
| schestowitz | this one is big enough and near enough to us | Sep 19 15:42 |
| schestowitz | minutes walking distance | Sep 19 15:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz oh only minutes | Sep 19 15:43 |
| MinceR | afaik buddhism isn't nearly as hardcore as abrahamic religion, hinduism or scientology :> | Sep 19 15:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz other priorites such as by the way ? | Sep 19 15:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in genreal for events | Sep 19 15:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to go or not | Sep 19 15:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777973434697396224 | Sep 19 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | It’s official, Linux was released on September 17, 1991 | Sep 19 16:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | It’s official, Linux was released on September 17, 1991 | Tux Machines | Sep 19 16:53 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/775382744541069312 | Sep 19 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AuerbachKeller: I'd missed this, but @todogroup abandoned their Code of Conduct, probably because it was a legal & PR minefield. https://t.co/W15Eb0ADBT | Sep 19 17:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> todogroup.org | Followup: Open Code of Conduct // TODO: Talk openly, develop openly | Sep 19 17:21 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | ah | Sep 19 17:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | net split | Sep 19 17:57 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 19 18:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, so annoying | Sep 19 18:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ruined a chat I was having in another channel | Sep 19 18:02 |
| razielle_tzu | ah | Sep 19 18:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah was tyring to see if maybe could get soeone to come up from some where far ish a way but still south west etc | Sep 19 18:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to help with my event maybe etc | Sep 19 18:03 |
| razielle_tzu | fair enough | Sep 19 18:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, looks like it's going to be small | Sep 19 18:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | herlperwise but also attendes | Sep 19 18:03 |
| MinceR | http://www.cracked.com/article_24284_5-ways-technology-unstable-house-cards.html | Sep 19 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com | 5 Ways The Modern World Is Shockingly Ready To Collapse | Sep 19 18:07 | |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | MinceR, the modern world will collapse with hungary fallling into the ground, with you in it :d | Sep 19 18:07 |
| MinceR | i didn't know hungary was part of the modern world :> | Sep 19 18:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | MinceR, yeah you got interwebs so it is :d | Sep 19 18:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.funnysigns.net/files/machine-hates-idiots-400x479.jpg | Sep 19 18:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778042189322551297 | Sep 19 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu | Sep 19 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS https://t.co/BH7jD58of3 | Sep 19 21:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS | Sep 19 21:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778042191977537536 | Sep 19 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12 Linux Enters Beta | Sep 19 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Many New Features https://t.co/wsUurLEFg3 | Sep 19 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 19 21:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12 Linux Enters Beta with Many New Features | Sep 19 21:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12...' | Sep 19 21:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 19 21:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Black Lab Linux 7.7 Officially Released with Latest...' | Sep 19 21:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Users Are the First to Get the...' | Sep 19 21:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 19 21:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12...' | Sep 19 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778046471962787846 | Sep 19 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dragon Bros action platformer release in Early Access | Sep 19 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Linux support https://t.co/Wa8y5kBsWI | Sep 19 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 19 21:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dragon Bros action platformer release in Early Access with Linux support | GamingOnLinux | Sep 19 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778046821906145280 | Sep 19 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Face hell in 'Devil Daggers', now available for Linux | Sep 19 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/usy9m3Wuxv (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 19 22:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Face hell in 'Devil Daggers', now available for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 19 22:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778052802463531009 | Sep 19 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The HTC 10 Review | Sep 19 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xk7daFIzQj (www.anandtech.com) | Sep 19 22:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com | The HTC 10 Review | Sep 19 22:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778053305163481088 | Sep 19 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | HackADay: Controlling computers and stuff with the mind | Sep 19 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DfVQrK6CNE (tech.feedyourhead.at) | Sep 19 22:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.feedyourhead.at | HackADay: Controlling computers and stuff with the mind | FyhTech | Sep 19 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sharmone670/status/778057360174710784 | Sep 19 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sharmone670: @schestowitz I find a house for 160,000 they dont want to pay for that. | Sep 19 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778054078408585216 | Sep 19 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Turn Your Feature TV Into A Smart TV For $30 | Sep 19 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bPqFqVAfAs (www.linux.com) | Sep 19 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Turn Your Feature TV Into A Smart TV For $30 | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 19 22:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778056421413969920 | Sep 19 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu Phones, | Sep 19 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Here's What's New https://t.co/nkX738DPsS | Sep 19 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 19 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu Phones, Here's What's New | Sep 19 22:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778057574029623296 | Sep 19 22:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical and IBM Deepen Their OpenStack Partnership | Sep 19 22:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/WIvurvlnir (ostatic.com) | Sep 19 22:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Canonical and IBM Deepen Their OpenStack Partnership | Sep 19 22:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778058262709174272 | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/crnZcdzwnk (blog.qt.io) | Sep 19 22:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux - Qt Blog | Sep 19 22:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778059877893701632 | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME's GUPnP Released After A Decade Of Development | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lieZFMj2Ou (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 19 22:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNOME's GUPnP Released After A Decade Of Development - Phoronix | Sep 19 22:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778060136011206656 | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Studio 2.2 https://t.co/41tWEb1Vtc | Sep 19 22:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android-developers.blogspot.com | Android Studio 2.2 | Android Developers Blog | Sep 19 22:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778060882693779456 | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | You’re Invited to the UK GNOME Release Party This Friday | Sep 19 22:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dxpHfA8uBC (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 19 22:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | You're Invited to the UK GNOME Release Party This Friday - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 19 22:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/flexgirl2/status/778066256557506560 | Sep 19 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@flexgirl2: @schestowitz @wikileaks ..until it's not. 😉 | Sep 19 23:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/777832089345490944 | Sep 19 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @_TargetLiberty can't find the link to the files. URL? | Sep 19 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778061194754138112 | Sep 19 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The 5 Best New Features in Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 | Sep 19 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XSStmlY6pK (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 19 23:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | The 5 Best New Features in Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 19 23:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074306144120832 | Sep 19 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu | Sep 19 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS https://t.co/BceZYi2rAw | Sep 19 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 23:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/777967200321798144 | Sep 19 23:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @patentbuddy or linked to an increase of CO2 level? | Sep 19 23:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074307461120000 | Sep 19 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/f2BSSazNbr | Sep 19 23:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074308815966208 | Sep 19 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wine-Staging 1.9.19 https://t.co/vobDrhWZ46 | Sep 19 23:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine-Staging 1.9.19 | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074310665572356 | Sep 19 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 https://t.co/5xV18IIRsS | Sep 19 23:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074312737644544 | Sep 19 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft 'Love', Openwashing, and More Layoffs | Sep 19 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VikaY1Onc9 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 23:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft 'Love', Openwashing, and More Layoffs | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778077466103603202 | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5 NEW iOS 10 Features Android ALREADY HAS! | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FS68kodjZL (www.xda-developers.com) | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | 5 NEW iOS 10 Features Android ALREADY HAS! | Sep 19 23:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778077957747269632 | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | More leaked images of Samsung's high-end Android | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | clamshell are here https://t.co/JZuN163E65 | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | More leaked images of Samsung's high-end Android clamshell are here | Sep 19 23:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778078348283088896 | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google Pixel phones might be able to dual boot Android | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ROMs https://t.co/CPyOuZGXyf (www.slashgear.com) | Sep 19 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Pixel phones might be able to dual boot Android ROMs - SlashGear | Sep 19 23:54 | |
| DaemonFC | Google Chrome experiments..... | Sep 20 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | New sandbox technologies on Windows. Using AppContainers on tab processes and blocking access to most of the Windows system calls to plug-ins. | Sep 20 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, a lot of the AppContainer work in Windows was done by the main developer of AppArmor on Linux. | Sep 20 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that my ad blocking filter subscriptions aren't filtering out Bing ads, so I wrote my own rule to handle that. | Sep 20 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | www.bing.com##*b_ad* | Sep 20 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | ublock-origin is much more flexible than ABP. | Sep 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | But Raymond Hill seems to put effort into making it a great program while ABP is mostly worried about if their website shakedown code works. :P | Sep 20 00:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778079747788201984 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime debuts in India for Rs. 18,790 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ($280) https://t.co/EPb4JDGM51 (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 01:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime debuts in India for Rs. 18,790 ($280) - Android Authority | Sep 20 01:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778086976998215680 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eOm8NDKX92 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 01:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Techrights | Sep 20 01:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098928088707074 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/L9AF2pN2M7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 01:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 01:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098931385372672 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/azwvRg1szq | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 01:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Sep 20 01:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098940919029760 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/HxGQn4ZpLt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 01:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 01:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098943142027265 | Sep 20 01:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Server Administration https://t.co/4L3IDQpXO2 | Sep 20 01:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server Administration | Tux Machines | Sep 20 01:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | I cashed out my Bing rewards for 150 entries for the Surface Book. | Sep 20 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | I could do some surgery on it and upgrade the hell out of the RAM and storage, and slap Ubuntu on it. | Sep 20 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably resurrect my blog and thank Microsoft publicly for the nice Linux machine. | Sep 20 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.omgchrome.com/bing-new-tab-page-google-chrome/ | Sep 20 02:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgchrome.com | Chrome Gains a 'Bing' New Tab Page — Courtesy of Microsoft - OMG! Chrome! [ http://ur1.ca/prpun ] | Sep 20 02:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft apparently got a patch into Chrome that replaces your Google Chrome start page with a Bing version if you select Bing as your search engine. | Sep 20 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Old article though. The latest version of that puts a Bing search box, your most visited sites in Chrome, and Bing's photo of the day in the new tab page. | Sep 20 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | "Now firmly in the post-Ballmer era, the cheap shots and mudslinging of Microsoft’s ill-judged and ill-received ‘scroogled’ campaign have given way to a mature acceptance of other platforms — and a willingness to engage with them." | Sep 20 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft: Calls Google creepy. Developes operating system that reports back everything you do down to the keystroke to Microsoft. | Sep 20 02:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098945746690048 | Sep 20 03:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/2gwSuAR6oq | Sep 20 03:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 03:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 03:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jr10962001/status/778105816385720320 | Sep 20 04:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jr10962001: @schestowitz @wikileaks CBS has no credibility or honest journalists. Very sad the state of the mainstream media. | Sep 20 04:07 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/155552 | Sep 20 04:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Hungary’s new eID card proves popular | Joinup | Sep 20 04:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778147995246292992 | Sep 20 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Looks like its laugh out loud time @schestowitz Microsoft says it will solve cancer in the next 10 years https://t.co/nglU4BbqyG | Sep 20 04:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Microsoft will ‘solve’ cancer within the next 10 years by treating it like a computer virus, company says | The Independent | Sep 20 04:30 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I left a bunch of one star reviews of the Yoga 900 ISK2 explaining the Linux issue. They locked the SSD into some weird RAID mode so that Linux can't be installed. | Sep 20 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | Some guy managed to tweak the BIOS image and hook up a flasher to get around Lenovo's signature check, and was able to go into AHCI mode and install Linux. | Sep 20 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | So I made sure to mention all of this. Then I told Lenovo I'll take the reviews down if they ever fix it. | Sep 20 04:41 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently nobody is bothering to censor bing. | Sep 20 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | I typed The Last Ship and it suggested "The Last Ship torrent s03e2". LOL | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778141197726519296 | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/eOm8NDKX92 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 05:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Techrights | Sep 20 05:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778153720353792001 | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Looking forward to GNOME 3.22 https://t.co/cxki5qHnM3 | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (feaneron.com) | Sep 20 05:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feaneron.com | Looking forward GNOME 3.22 | Georges Stavracas | Sep 20 05:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778155074178707456 | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kubuntu needs some K/Ubuntu Developer help this week | Sep 20 05:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cE7VYQ8uXU (linuxgrandma.blogspot.com) | Sep 20 05:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgrandma.blogspot.com | Linux Grandma: Kubuntu needs some K/Ubuntu Developer help this week | Sep 20 05:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778157628530843648 | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are Now | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download https://t.co/587vCusENd | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 05:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are Now Available for Download - Exclusive | Sep 20 05:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778158264877981697 | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DNgweXPu1G (hackerboards.com) | Sep 20 05:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 05:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778158511981289472 | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KPTRKYIR2x (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 05:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 05:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches - Phoronix | Sep 20 05:15 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: interesting, give me links | Sep 20 05:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so that I can shame lenovo for it | Sep 20 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206 | Sep 20 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | main topic | Sep 20 05:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 05:27 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434304#M8266 | Sep 20 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 15 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 05:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Guy that resorted to external flashing to fix it. | Sep 20 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They obviously did it deliberately if you read the article. | Sep 20 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | Then they wrote some EFI code to stop you from going into EFIshell and setting the mode to AHCI from there. | Sep 20 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | You can try setting it but the firmware immediately discards the setting. | Sep 20 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I have to get to bed. Have fun with that. | Sep 20 05:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778167318778175488 | Sep 20 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz There's a difference between something that's centuries old and something that's a few years old, isn't there? | Sep 20 05:45 | |
| schestowitz | There is, but I doubt the only explanation for this is fear of terror | Sep 20 05:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks, will post | Sep 20 05:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can see in boycottnovell-social what I wrote | Sep 20 05:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778168473679753217 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778168622992723968 | Sep 20 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Weather-related fluctuations are usually 10%-20%. I've heard from staff of 2 hotels in the area about many vacancies, unusual. | Sep 20 05:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Also, it's the first year in the long history of Oktoberfest that they built a fence all around it, thereby admitting a risk. | Sep 20 05:50 | |
| schestowitz | The fence thing is noteworthy | Sep 20 05:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778170688704286749 | Sep 20 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz It was a tough call for the city adminstration. If they did nothing, they'd get the blame if anything happened. Had to do s.th. | Sep 20 06:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778160631023276032 | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announcing upcoming Mageia 5.1 ISOs and an update on | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mageia 6 progress https://t.co/Aj4ZCJpNOI | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.mageia.org) | Sep 20 06:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mageia.org | Announcing upcoming Mageia 5.1 ISOs and an update on Mageia 6 progress | Mageia Blog (English) | Sep 20 06:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173224337154049 | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0zTfijRP0a (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 06:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Tux Machines | Sep 20 06:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173226853756928 | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gaRuOFHGX1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 06:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Tux Machines | Sep 20 06:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/778191284058095616 | Sep 20 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: Disgusting twist of a term. https://t.co/4beCV0YXlR | Sep 20 07:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft 'news' channel https://t.co/2L5gmUOpNz from MSNBC. No comment needed. Microsoft loves Linux. | Sep 20 07:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/778194468902240256 | Sep 20 07:33 |
| schestowitz | good analogy | Sep 20 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz I imagine #Microsoft loves #FOSS in much the same way #Disney loves the #PublicDomain | Sep 20 07:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173229148102658 | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Oracle pledges continued support for Java and NetBeans | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5j4sojoIhd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle pledges continued support for Java and NetBeans | Tux Machines | Sep 20 07:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173232088317952 | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian 8 Updated, Kubuntu Help Wanted, Mageia 5.1 | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/k4rpaXSnmJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 8 Updated, Kubuntu Help Wanted, Mageia 5.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 07:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173234713944064 | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/pJIWcZetka | Sep 20 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 07:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 07:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 07:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 08:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are...' | Sep 20 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jkbzas/status/778210240361799680 | Sep 20 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jkbzas: #Facebook, el #censurador global https://t.co/043OmMvo2U | Sep 20 08:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook is now a >global< #censorship giant on the #internet https://t.co/62EGeNEic5 https://t.co/yxqf7pduMI https://t.co/ePMKisBEUM | Sep 20 08:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/778215169323401217 | Sep 20 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrIvanJohnson: @cryptogon FYI https://t.co/3UvzBRm1sh | Sep 20 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778216575769993217 | Sep 20 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: It was the proving ground for open source software back in 2006 @schestowitz When I went to the Linux show in Boston China was there. | Sep 20 08:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778214515670454272 | Sep 20 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flowblade 1.8 Released, Supports Keyboard Trimming, Clip | Sep 20 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapping https://t.co/pZr0Ph2BYz (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 20 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Flowblade 1.8 Released, Supports Keyboard Trimming, Clip Snapping - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 20 09:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778220219844165632 | Sep 20 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently | Sep 20 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5hhw5DumYX (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently - Android Authority | Sep 20 09:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778221156981698565 | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phablet Android fans were hoping for | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/V9NWtzuq2p (bgr.com) | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 09:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pixel XL Specs: Benchmarks suggest underpowered phablet from Google | BGR | Sep 20 09:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222424680693760 | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs and HTC | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10-inspired designs https://t.co/NDLl6LZFgc | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 09:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 09:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs and HTC 10-inspired designs - Android Authority | Sep 20 09:22 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs...' | Sep 20 09:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222811773014016 | Sep 20 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | HTC Desire 10 preview: Flashy outside, ordinary within | Sep 20 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QepKmCaSyF (www.androidcentral.com) | Sep 20 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | HTC Desire 10 preview: Flashy outside, ordinary within | Android Central | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse...' | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse...' | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222970636492800 | Sep 20 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Prepares for OpenStack Newton Improvements | Sep 20 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/prHLGGPu56 (www.serverwatch.com) | Sep 20 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Red Hat Prepares for OpenStack Newton Improvements | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently...' | Sep 20 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JordanCoyleEsq/status/778224069388955648 | Sep 20 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JordanCoyleEsq: .@Focus_Taiwan respondents located outside the US have 20 + (5 or 10) days to respond to the complaint and NOI, per… https://t.co/awNHBeRN9u | Sep 20 09:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JordanCoyleEsq: .@Focus_Taiwan respondents located outside the US have 20 + (5 or 10) days to respond to the complaint and NOI, per… https://t.co/awNHBeRN9u | Sep 20 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/778230945224818688 | Sep 20 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz Christians around the world are praying that #Trump defeats Globalist puppets #Hillary & Kaine. Humanity faces a New Dark Age | Sep 20 09:57 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently...' | Sep 20 10:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778223302938599424 | Sep 20 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What is the Fedora Code of Conduct? | Sep 20 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uCEgqr7UX0 (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Sep 20 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | by Amita Sharma | Sep 20 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/what-is-fedora-code-conduct/ ) | Sep 20 10:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778223555242758145 | Sep 20 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AsciiBind all the things! https://t.co/R0U2Iep7NR | Sep 20 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winglemeyer.org) | Sep 20 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winglemeyer.org | AsciiBind all the things! - even the horse knew | Sep 20 10:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778232422743834624 | Sep 20 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 | Sep 20 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/HqYA5d6ya3 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 10:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234437225984001 | Sep 20 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/66olHOmu9t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 10:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 Released | Techrights | Sep 20 10:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 10:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234438547181569 | Sep 20 10:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/oUPv1xNiSk | Sep 20 10:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 10:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 20 10:09 | |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-16 | Sep 20 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aland From Quality Assurance - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-16 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 20 10:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234439893594112 | Sep 20 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/6lovoNDLDB | Sep 20 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234441017667589 | Sep 20 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/RGfOBa1v9n | Sep 20 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 20 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234442296938497 | Sep 20 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/belgiGhCCy | Sep 20 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 10:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 20 11:25 |
| razielle_tzu | o/ | Sep 20 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: hi | Sep 20 11:26 |
| razielle_tzu | hi | Sep 20 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: looks like the Ubuntu touch music player is ok enough | Sep 20 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: probably going to play music and videos from tablet, depending on space a bit as well | Sep 20 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | for een | Sep 20 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | event | Sep 20 11:29 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: thing is I think the space is only about 16gb so uhmm | Sep 20 11:29 |
| razielle_tzu | my LTSP setup is working great but i'm annoyed at having to chroot to install stuff | Sep 20 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | but I got a good site to get music from | Sep 20 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | or find out about it etc | Sep 20 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: some or more than expected Creative Commons open movies, woudn't be quite suitable for the event it turns out | Sep 20 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but I can get a few at least it seems :) that will be fine, maybe I'll use the pa to play audio for those as well, or maybe there ins't much choice there | Sep 20 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | I mean audio for videos instead of music when showing a video | Sep 20 11:30 |
| razielle_tzu | i get wht you mean | Sep 20 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | might work to lure some people in, why did the music stop to uhmm, whtat's that | Sep 20 11:31 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: still got the issues of who is going to turn up to help, and who is going to turn up to visit the eent etc | Sep 20 11:31 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I think I am going to put some money into Facebook advertising | Sep 20 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | try that | Sep 20 11:33 |
| razielle_tzu | at least that can be pretty cheap | Sep 20 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah it seems set an amount and a distance | Sep 20 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking put like £30 into that | Sep 20 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | and see what happens | Sep 20 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | means got to change the image for that as well, since it doens't work so well as an add the one it's using | Sep 20 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | but need more people to like the page, say they are coming etc, but that's not going to happen if they don't know it's there etc | Sep 20 11:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/D_cence/status/778256253021786113 | Sep 20 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@D_cence: @schestowitz @PSchydlowski it's not just them, boycott many others ! (imagine the same with a car: you can't buy gas anywhere) | Sep 20 11:36 | |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I have tried Ebay for a first time! | Sep 20 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: actually buying from it myself | Sep 20 11:37 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | well only way to get a tizen phone at the moment so | Sep 20 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but not much has happended there last time I looked, got to import from India hmm | Sep 20 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: hopefully it comes ok etc | Sep 20 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ebay isn't where I would usaully buy things at all, since I want to buy new things etc | Sep 20 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | things that are definetly new for sure or very likly | Sep 20 11:38 |
| razielle_tzu | there are sellers of new tuff on there too | Sep 20 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yes apparnaty it's a new phone | Sep 20 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | but who knjows really | Sep 20 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | they all say that | Sep 20 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | new as in unused | Sep 20 11:39 |
| razielle_tzu | i bought a few things listed as new and they arrived still wrapped in the shrink wrap they get shipped to stores in | Sep 20 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yeah but some peop;le will go off with money or maybe | Sep 20 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | or send something that isn't new | Sep 20 11:40 |
| razielle_tzu | and take a hit to their ebay scores and reputation for it | Sep 20 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I had a choice of three Tizen phones, but I still went for the very first one | Sep 20 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | but that was also cheaper so a bit cheaper | Sep 20 11:40 |
| razielle_tzu | eventually enough hits and they get banned | Sep 20 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | the one I picked had a lot of good reviews | Sep 20 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | good feedback etc | Sep 20 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | so hopefully be ok, hopefuly it comes in time for the event as well | Sep 20 11:41 |
| razielle_tzu | i only buy from sellers with at least 97% positive feedback... | Sep 20 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: Did I tell you about my Nexdock and how currently I can't really use it, ah yes I did, yeah need some connecters for that etc to be more ueable | Sep 20 11:41 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 20 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: and Fedex wants £23.99 from me or whatever it was | Sep 20 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | customs yeah | Sep 20 11:42 |
| razielle_tzu | ah | Sep 20 11:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I expecte some customs, sometimes it's only about £11 but ok not this time | Sep 20 11:43 |
| sebsebseb | it's still quite a cheap thing even with the customs charge really though | Sep 20 11:43 |
| sebsebseb | so all together it will have been about £80 I guess or something like that | Sep 20 11:44 |
| razielle_tzu | not too bad | Sep 20 11:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: anhyway just another customs charge, then tehre will be something for the Tizen phone to assuming that comes | Sep 20 11:44 |
| sebsebseb | already paid some cusotm charges on tech and such so | Sep 20 11:45 |
| sebsebseb | will be doing more of that, seems most of the interesting tech comes from abroad so yeah | Sep 20 11:45 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well that wasa rather boring etc, and came there late anyway but uh. some boring ubuntu community q and a about snappy | Sep 20 11:49 |
| sebsebseb | they finnished it earlier now though | Sep 20 11:49 |
| sebsebseb | early | Sep 20 11:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/c_wweber/status/778276170886320128 | Sep 20 12:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@c_wweber: @schestowitz @DrJillStein maybe in specific cases, but your generalization is false. | Sep 20 12:56 | |
| MinceR | http://www.bunicomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-09-19-Buni.jpg | Sep 20 14:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pain-into-pleasure | Sep 20 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pain into Pleasure | Sep 20 14:26 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/1OHZCBh.jpg | Sep 20 14:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778241475377303552 | Sep 20 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 | Sep 20 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Released https://t.co/HqYA5d6ya3 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 20 14:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 Released | Techrights | Sep 20 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778304585526042624 | Sep 20 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft sues Wisconsin man (again) for copyright infringement (again) @schestowitz https://t.co/Mnj8ZM1meb | Sep 20 14:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft sues Wisconsin man (again) for copyright infringement (again) • The Register | Sep 20 14:57 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2016/09/16/18-illustrations-that-all-cat-owners-will-understand/ | Sep 20 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-18 Illustrations That All Cat Owners Will Understand – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 20 15:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778307242403782656 | Sep 20 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/1XFwhnla8D | Sep 20 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 15:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778308422802505728 | Sep 20 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Parsix Normalizes GNOME https://t.co/Bwgu8AYzvX | Sep 20 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Sep 20 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 15:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parsix Normalizes GNOME | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Sep 20 15:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778309611401150464 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LASTFIGHT, a pretty good looking fighting game just | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | released on Linux https://t.co/rKe2tXRtsI | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 15:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LASTFIGHT, a pretty good looking fighting game just released on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 20 15:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778309640622923776 | Sep 20 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/1XFwhnla8D | Sep 20 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778311211305865224 | Sep 20 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Look At The Exciting Features/Improvements Of GNOME | Sep 20 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.22 https://t.co/RBNI33Reo4 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Look At The Exciting Features/Improvements Of GNOME 3.22 - Phoronix | Sep 20 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: last link does not work | Sep 20 16:27 |
| schestowitz | https://pleatedjeans.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/pleated-jeans-maintenance/ | Sep 20 16:27 |
| MinceR | hm | Sep 20 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleatedjeans.wordpress.com | Pleated-Jeans Maintenance | | Sep 20 16:28 | |
| MinceR | try this one: http://pleated-jeans.net/2016/09/16/18-illustrations-that-all-cat-owners-will-understand/ | Sep 20 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.net | 18 Illustrations That All Cat Owners Will Understand – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 20 16:28 | |
| MinceR | they're having troubles with wordpress | Sep 20 16:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Doopser/status/778329379248152576 https://twitter.com/SirNasaRoyal/status/778329605560111104 | Sep 20 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Doopser: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Or scream and make a stand like she is doing | Sep 20 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SirNasaRoyal: It's good they tell ? I'll read l later my Car https://t.co/u7PcJ3aQbL | Sep 20 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: They are the owners of the country. Always were. Still are. Deal with it. Or encourage whistleblowers to leak. https://t.co/CsClIk2PeX | Sep 20 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe they don't use it tight | Sep 20 16:29 |
| schestowitz | *right | Sep 20 16:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330300279562240 https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330489006518273 | Sep 20 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks TPPA, TTIP and TISA are all about empowering globalist oligopolies, which will gobble up smaller businesses globally | Sep 20 16:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks As smaller businesses are crushed or consumed by multinational corporate raiders more will lose jobs. | Sep 20 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330694137372677 | Sep 20 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks As jobs are lost (or hours and benefits severely reduced) the tax base will drop - as will publicly funded services | Sep 20 16:32 | |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 20 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331084933042176 | Sep 20 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi | Sep 20 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331086006865920 | Sep 20 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/BRRvnarzA4 | Sep 20 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 16:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331087164407808 | Sep 20 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 21 Open Source Projects for IoT https://t.co/yvvEmTeT0t | Sep 20 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 21 Open Source Projects for IoT | Tux Machines | Sep 20 16:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778331050720321540 | Sep 20 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks TPPA, TTIP, TISA and other greedy profit driven multinational trade grabs will create "Let them eat cake" society | Sep 20 16:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/778331356430565376 | Sep 20 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Nah, I just don't get many opportunities to tell that story. | Sep 20 16:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778331464773562372 | Sep 20 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks Ask French what's likely to happen in a Multinational equivalent to the aristocratic "Let them eat cake" society. | Sep 20 16:35 | |
| schestowitz | decapitation | Sep 20 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331088372367361 | Sep 20 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung open sources its HbbTV media player | Sep 20 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O8VYqoYPqC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung open sources its HbbTV media player | Tux Machines | Sep 20 16:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi' | Sep 20 16:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Phredreeke/status/778332125271646208 | Sep 20 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Phredreeke: @schestowitz @livebeef well, if I have a printer, I most likely have a device to print from as well :P | Sep 20 16:38 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @cupcake_se favourited 'Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/BRRvnarzA4' | Sep 20 16:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778332364502163456 | Sep 20 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Sep 20 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YFggK3DXjl (www.computerworld.com) | Sep 20 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 16:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Computerworld | Sep 20 16:41 | |
| MinceR | http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=080728 | Sep 20 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sluggy Freelance - Comic for | Sep 20 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/778338161307049984 | Sep 20 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Seems like Hell is at the backdoor of router Heaven. https://t.co/McVOjJ7X84 | Sep 20 17:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Long story short, #nsa played God with back doors and left a huge mess https://t.co/B3yV8tbwo2 https://t.co/NhkwHRpWvs | Sep 20 17:02 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.engrish.com/2016/07/the-newest-fangle/ | Sep 20 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The newest fangle! | Engrish.com | Sep 20 17:17 | |
| MinceR | http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-lego-jokes/ | Sep 20 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boredpanda.com | 10+ Of The Funniest LEGO Jokes Ever | Bored Panda | Sep 20 17:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Copyright Cartel Logic: If we make it impossible to watch Netflix programs in other countries, they totally won't use pirate streaming sites that are free. | Sep 20 17:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, totally | Sep 20 17:43 |
| MinceR | but at least they'll break the web in the attempt | Sep 20 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Netflix intentionally degrades the video in Chrome and Firefox anyway. | Sep 20 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | 720p no matter what you're paying for. | Sep 20 17:44 |
| MinceR | similarly to how they intentionally degraded web standards | Sep 20 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to get 1080p is Internet Explorer, Edge, Safari, or the Windows Store app. | Sep 20 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | No way to do 4K Netflix streaming on a PC. | Sep 20 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | So unless you have a smart tv or a streaming box that does 4K and is "authorized" by Netflix, it's impossible to watch in 4K even if you pay for it. | Sep 20 17:45 |
| MinceR | excellent reasons not to use or pay NETFUCKS, ever | Sep 20 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Don't get the 4K version if you plan to watch on a PC. | Sep 20 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | You're just wasting the extra $2 a month. | Sep 20 17:47 |
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| MinceR | but i'm sure it will be all the "pirates'" fault if their business doesn't do well and people use reasonable ways to access the content instead | Sep 20 17:47 |
| MinceR | typical MAFIAA bullshit | Sep 20 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix won't TELL you that. It's only known because the secret menu that you can bring up with a key como shows what resolution it's playing in. | Sep 20 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | So they'll sell you service that you can't actually use and then won't tell you that you're not getting that level of service. | Sep 20 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Which is false advertising. | Sep 20 17:48 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they won't be convicted | Sep 20 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Gnutella is still being monitored. | Sep 20 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | They shut own Limewire, so the most obvious way of using that network has been gone for years. | Sep 20 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if it's off their radar now. | Sep 20 17:51 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/u-s-arrest-puts-spotlight-on-file-sharing-risk-1.644921 | Sep 20 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Limewire was pretty funny. | Sep 20 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbc.ca | U.S. arrest puts spotlight on file-sharing risk - Technology & Science - CBC News | Sep 20 17:52 | |
| DaemonFC | People putting things like their tax returns in their share folder.. | Sep 20 17:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 17:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Bittorrent is heavily monitored. | Sep 20 17:53 |
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| DaemonFC | You share Game of Thrones and it's only a matter of when IP-Echelon sends a DMCA complaint to your ISP. | Sep 20 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how safe the Gnutella network is these days. | Sep 20 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | HBO isn't suing people. They're using the complaint letters as a way of saying "We know what you did. Why don't you subscribe to HBO Now?". | Sep 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | Sure it's $20 a month and we only have one good show.... | Sep 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | Uhhh, maybe that's why people aren't subscribing? :) | Sep 20 17:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 20 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | They say a product is worth what people will pay. Companies like HBO overvalue their product. | Sep 20 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | Probably at least four times over. | Sep 20 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | If it was $5, everyone would just subscribe and probably forget about it and keep paying forever. | Sep 20 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of bills, at least that horrific electric bill for air conditioning is over for a while. | Sep 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | The building has boiler heat, so I get to enjoy $25 electric bills for the next 8 months. | Sep 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | It was running $75 a month with the air conditioner. | Sep 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's a little much for a studio apartment, but it was that or roast all summer. :P | Sep 20 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Illinois gets hot and humid summers and harsh winters. | Sep 20 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | They call Chicago "Chiberia" in the winter. | Sep 20 18:01 |
| MinceR | is that better or worse than Chiraq? :> | Sep 20 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's too cold to go out and kill people so the violent crime comes to a halt. :) | Sep 20 18:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, my mom got a kick out of that. | Sep 20 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778333237701709825 | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MATE 1.16 Ready For Release, More GTK2 GNOME-Forked Code | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ported To GTK3 https://t.co/P1qclkHXMO (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MATE 1.16 Ready For Release, More GTK2 GNOME-Forked Code Ported To GTK3 - Phoronix | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778334107243864064 | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu tees up OpenStack on IBM's iron | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3iqp0wErOT (www.theregister.co.uk) | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Ubuntu tees up OpenStack on IBM's iron • The Register | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354877885919232 | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BL84g47cC0 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354880578588672 | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Riot secure messaging https://t.co/8uXL2Hn0oM | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Riot secure messaging | Tux Machines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354882264698880 | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Servers (Linux Foundation and IBM) | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0H86RoAsFg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers (Linux Foundation and IBM) | Tux Machines | Sep 20 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354883355258880 | Sep 20 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME/GTK News https://t.co/UzI27tFWX6 | Sep 20 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME/GTK News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 18:08 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434927#M8273 | Sep 20 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz | Sep 20 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 16 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 18:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I made some suggestions to file bugs in the major Linux distributions bug trackers, try installing Fedora Rawhide to see what the latest Linux does on this system, and maybe get in touch with Matthew Garrett and see if he'd take a crack at it. | Sep 20 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | I ended with this: | Sep 20 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | It's time to go to some people outside of Lenovo to get this thing fixed. It's completely obvious to me (my opinion) after reading these posts that what Lenovo did was both intentional and malicious and if we stand around waiting for them to fix the problem, we'll be stuck with Windows 10 forever. Their past history with the Superfish malware and the BIOS that reinstalled their crapware bundle even in a clean Windows install from | Sep 20 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's ISO only bolster my belief that this was deliberate. | Sep 20 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | I added: | Sep 20 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | In the meantime, we should go post this information on reviews of this computer so that people know what Lenovo did. Also comment on their Facebook posts. Let's turn up the heat on them until they release a BIOS update that fixes this. | Sep 20 18:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354884684881920 | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Web browsers for GNU/Linux https://t.co/02wbGNKgvF | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Web browsers for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778356127344037888 | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Non-blurry photos of the Google Pixel and Pixel XL leak | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7SjLWmNOym (www.androidpolice.com) | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Non-blurry photos of the Google Pixel and Pixel XL leak | Sep 20 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778356246076358656 | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BlackBerry DTEK60 running Android spotted on company | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | website https://t.co/kKU1X0qDYE (indianexpress.com) | Sep 20 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 18:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | BlackBerry DTEK60 running Android spotted on company website | The Indian Express | Sep 20 18:28 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434929#M8274 | Sep 20 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 16 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 18:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Bownairo said: About a week or two ago, I tried Gentoo with the latest kernel, still no success, that's why I continued progress on the BIOS mod | Sep 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | I replied: Sadly, unless there is a way to trick the computer into accepting the BIOS update without Lenovo's signature on it, or to somehow sign the blasted thing with Lenovo's signature, without hooking up an external flasher and potentially ruining a $1,400 computer, that doesn't help most people. | Sep 20 18:31 |
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| MinceR | lol @ fedora rawhide | Sep 20 18:54 |
| cubexyz | boo to web sites that don't work good in 4:3 | Sep 20 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ping | Sep 20 19:14 |
| razielle_tzu | yes sebsebseb? | Sep 20 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: oh you are here nice :) | Sep 20 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: so good news and good news :d | Sep 20 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | which good news do you want first h eh | Sep 20 19:19 |
| razielle_tzu | ok, good news first | Sep 20 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | which good news :d the more so or the less so h he he h both about same | Sep 20 19:19 |
| razielle_tzu | if they're about the same does it matter? | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ok so good getting a loco pack from Canonical | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | found out earlier :) | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | that should mean stickers, pens, some t- shirts | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | and a hat or two even | Sep 20 19:20 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: maybe they would have sent lanyards to, or might anyway, but I said I had from before... | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: actsaully there is slight bad news as well | Sep 20 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly since some logistics issue or whatever, they can't send nice 16.04 USB's | Sep 20 19:20 |
| razielle_tzu | shame | Sep 20 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Sep 20 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't want to burn a load uh, no thanks, but somenoe else might I guess or whatever | Sep 20 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: the other good news, did another emails to the LUG, | Sep 20 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Sep 20 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | this evening | Sep 20 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Sep 20 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | asking for more event help and about the meeting coming up this saturdya to etc, and yes got another helper now it seems, so that's good :) | Sep 20 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I guess that's four of us at least then, including myself | Sep 20 19:22 |
| razielle_tzu | i think for my next presentation i might do a proper one on the differences between OS X, Windows and Linux... using the LTSP system and a couple of Mint systems for linux demos | Sep 20 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | your next presentation | Sep 20 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 20 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | for what? | Sep 20 19:22 |
| razielle_tzu | for the computer club | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: oh yeah and there might be a company in London that can work for, tech stuff | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | but London uhmm | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | is like two hours away from here via transport | Sep 20 19:23 |
| razielle_tzu | that's not too bad | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about that quite, but would be potentailly looking for peope like me it seems | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | so | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | yeah maybe, who knjows, doing some qa or something at least, if not programming | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | got to send a cv over etc, and see what happens frst really | Sep 20 19:23 |
| razielle_tzu | if you can put up with the commute go for it | Sep 20 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well it would only take like two hours on the train or so | Sep 20 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | but travling costs so uhmm | Sep 20 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | or about two hours by bus as well I guess | Sep 20 19:24 |
| cubexyz | 2 hours? ugh | Sep 20 19:25 |
| cubexyz | that would be OK once a week :) | Sep 20 19:25 |
| cubexyz | I did some contracts from home | Sep 20 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I wonder how many Ubuntu t-shirts they are going to send | Sep 20 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but should have enough for myself and my helpers I guess :) | Sep 20 19:35 |
| razielle_tzu | :3 | Sep 20 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: exactly travlling to London like nearly every week day hmm | Sep 20 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | from here hmm | Sep 20 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: but once or twice a week woudn't be to bad | Sep 20 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | however it costs to travel there, train sin't cheap, bus/coach isn't that cheap | Sep 20 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: nearly thursday to hmm | Sep 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I got to try and be funny etc then, since in a public speaking competiiton :d | Sep 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | I don't expect to win | Sep 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | but getting say 3rd place for those on the sot made up talks would be fun | Sep 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | and get intervied to and such which will be nice :D | Sep 20 19:38 |
| razielle_tzu | :D | Sep 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: there are some really good speakers doing that as well so | Sep 20 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | the chance at winning against them is rather unlikly | Sep 20 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | but since I saw it at the other one last Thursday and it all looked like fun, I thought ok let's do it this one | Sep 20 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: Ubuntu Touch OTA 13 is out now as well, but I haven't upgraded just yet | Sep 20 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but once I do, I'll be able to copy and paste between the native apps, and the well Firefox Gimp Gedit Libe Office so libertine/xmir/arm stuff | Sep 20 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | that will be useful at times :) | Sep 20 19:41 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: it's quite something to follow a bit I think | Sep 20 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | software can be intersring like that | Sep 20 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | you know using something, that's updated reasonably quicly with new stuff, and then seeing progress | Sep 20 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | an update every six weeks or so, or so as in if delayed then well no longer | Sep 20 19:42 |
| razielle_tzu | it can but like i said before Touch doesn't really interest me | Sep 20 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | why was that again | Sep 20 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | since you jdon't like Canonical ? | Sep 20 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well no free ubuntu t-shirt for you from me then :d, if I have enough | Sep 20 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | loco pack hmm :) | Sep 20 19:42 |
| razielle_tzu | lol, i think i'll be ok | Sep 20 19:42 |
| razielle_tzu | and it's not that i don't like canonical, i just prefer other distros | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: guess how many t- shirts I have here or roughly | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | and yes most of them are tech t- shirts | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | since FOSDEM and such | Sep 20 19:43 |
| cubexyz | https://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html | Sep 20 19:43 |
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| cubexyz | ;-) | Sep 20 19:43 |
| razielle_tzu | something like 20 | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: uh h eh h eh no | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I came back with like 15 t-shirts from FOSDEM 2014 :d | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | I remember that | Sep 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | or was that 2013 actsaully | Sep 20 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: turns out I have about 100 t -shirts now and that's all my t- shirts | Sep 20 19:44 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Sep 20 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: someone in my family thinks I have too much really | Sep 20 19:45 |
| razielle_tzu | heh, i don't have any tech t-shirts... just a couple of band ones | Sep 20 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | I bought some online as well | Sep 20 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | before from FSF shop and FSFE | Sep 20 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | plus I got a few Humble BUndle t-shirts now | Sep 20 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yep most of my t-shirts are geek in some way or the other | Sep 20 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: so yeah depending on how many t-shirts, I'll just take one maybe two for myself, and give away the rest :d | Sep 20 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | I hae bought a few Ubuntu t-shirts in the past myself as well | Sep 20 19:47 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/16/bofh_2016_episode_11/ | Sep 20 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: The case of the suspicious red icon • The Register | Sep 20 20:30 | |
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| MinceR | "Not Found" | Sep 20 20:33 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-did-not-shutdown-sucessfully.jpg | Sep 20 20:35 |
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| MinceR | (short-lived link) http://krautchan.net/files/1474418049001.jpg | Sep 20 20:35 |
| cubexyz | dumb typo | Sep 20 20:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 20:35 |
| MinceR | now the first one works | Sep 20 20:36 |
| cubexyz | doh | Sep 20 20:36 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-did-not-shutdown-successfully.jpg | Sep 20 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778360222251356160 | Sep 20 20:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google wants to show Samsung and Huawei what Android | Sep 20 20:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | should look like https://t.co/Um6pG2kWWn (news.vice.com) | Sep 20 20:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.vice.com | Google wants to show Samsung and Huawei what Android should look like | VICE News | Sep 20 20:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778375670552408064 | Sep 20 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/y0AhtuOxf7 | Sep 20 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778375671781416961 | Sep 20 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat News https://t.co/L4OT8VRsuW | Sep 20 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 20:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi' | Sep 20 20:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 20:48 | |
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| cubexyz | for the lulz: | Sep 20 21:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/778395313304244224 | Sep 20 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi | Sep 20 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @linuxusergroup (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, An MS MVP on Lenovo's forums quietly edited some of my posts. | Sep 20 23:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lenovo contacted me on my Best Buy review. Lenovo Product Expert | Sep 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | September 20, 2016 | Sep 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft. | Sep 20 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Lenovo-Yoga-BIOS-locked-so-you-can-t-install-Linux-quot-per-our/td-p/3435076 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Lenovo Yoga BIOS locked so you can't install Linux... - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| cubexyz | Is this true in general of (modern) Lenovo computers or is that Yoga an exception? | Sep 20 23:36 |
| cubexyz | I see some folks are using 'legacy boot' so I assume that on some models there's no problem installing linux | Sep 20 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | The Microsoft Signature Edition PC program requires the OEM to make sure Linux can't be installed on the computer. | Sep 20 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, There are apparently several models affected. | Sep 20 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | The first Yoga 900 (ISK can install Linux. The ISK 2 can't. | Sep 20 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Neither can the 910, or the 900S, or some 700 series models. | Sep 20 23:44 |
| cubexyz | so for people like me, avoid "Microsoft Signature Edition" like the plague... | Sep 20 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | I tweeted this to Adrian Kinsley-Hughes at ZDNet. | Sep 20 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2337719&p=13547773#post13547773 | Sep 21 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. | Sep 21 00:11 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I posted a warning about Microsoft Signature PCs on Ubuntu Forums. | Sep 21 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 00:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point a minute ago | Sep 21 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be interested in hearing from people who have a model that just so happens to not be able to run Linux, but if Lenovo's "deal" with Microsoft is any indication, this all came about in October of last year. | Sep 21 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | The original ISK Yoga 900 can run Linux, and the ISK2 is an "upgrade" that comes with a Iris 540 graphics adapter instead of the HD 520 that came with the original Yoga 900. So I bought the ISK2 thinking I was basically getting bumped up to a 60% faster graphics chip, no strings attached. | Sep 21 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ouch. Well, now we know what the real "feature" of the ISK2 was. | Sep 21 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | The BIOS ain't done 'til Linux won't run. | Sep 21 01:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: is that you in reddit? | Sep 21 02:33 |
| schestowitz | I've just linked to both the above | Sep 21 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. Lenovo deleted the thread. | Sep 21 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | I updated... | Sep 21 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | - UPDATE - Lenovo decided to delete the entire 19 pages of this thread instead of offering the promised explanation. I guess that is their reply. This is very unfortunate, as all I wanted were a few simple answers. If anyone can find an archived version of this forum thread, please let me know! - I was able to get a screenshot of the moderator promising to give us an answer as to why the thread was locked. The lying liars of lenovo... | Sep 21 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://imgur.com/a/fGRdh | Sep 21 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet | Sep 21 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | thanks, I spread this around right now, see #boycottnovell-social | Sep 21 02:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mickjosi/status/778482507981414400 https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/778483558700777472 | Sep 21 02:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mickjosi: @schestowitz @DrJillStein if we keep fracking the Earth will look like Mars | Sep 21 02:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Sep 21 02:43 | |
| schestowitz | "" | Sep 21 02:44 |
| schestowitz | "That cones across as a presumption of guilt" | Sep 21 02:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/778484521381552128 | Sep 21 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @DrJillStein @schestowitz That would be seen as a presumption of guilt | Sep 21 02:44 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: let's hope someone writes a press article about it | Sep 21 02:44 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's what they deleted the thread for | Sep 21 02:44 |
| schestowitz | to prevent that | Sep 21 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's back up again. | Sep 21 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | Locked but it's there again. | Sep 21 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206 | Sep 21 02:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 02:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778486292317339648 | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IPFire 2.19 - Core Update 104 released | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Uzs8olRjZa (www.ipfire.org) 2.19 - Core | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update 104 released https://t.co/Hygj1kyszI | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ipfire.org) | Sep 21 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.ipfire.org/news/ipfire-2-19-core-update-104-releasedIPFire ) | Sep 21 03:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipfire.org - IPFire 2.19 - Core Update 104 released | Sep 21 03:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778488484436840448 | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland 1.12 Officially Released https://t.co/3iRCxXrivO | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 21 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wayland 1.12 Officially Released - Phoronix | Sep 21 03:01 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | [–]CataclysmZA[🍰] [score hidden] 24 minutes ago* | Sep 21 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Here's the Google cache for the forum thread: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:abMCb7w2uAoJ:https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=za | Sep 21 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo's forum software doesn't delete an entire thread when it gets removed by the mods - instead, the first page's link gets removed. You can still navigate through, and read the rest of the thread, unhindered. | Sep 21 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | For example: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206/page/14 | Sep 21 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Someone has to start backing it up now! | Sep 21 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 03:02 | |
| DaemonFC | Edit: I'm backing the pages up in the Wayback machine. This could take a while. | Sep 21 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Page 14 - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 03:02 | |
| DaemonFC | THANK YOU so much! We need a good archive of what was going on in that thread. They're probably having a late night shredding party to keep this out of the news! | Sep 21 03:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778489304700096512 | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 https://t.co/qQDFQiw7g3 | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 | Sep 21 03:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778489783735742465 | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 https://t.co/1eQyHb6V4E | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 | Sep 21 03:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778490392362770432 | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phones and Tablets https://t.co/r6En1bcltx | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 03:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu Phones and Tablets | Sep 21 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good that it is making some noise now | Sep 21 03:11 |
| schestowitz | them deleting it would only enrage the masses | Sep 21 03:12 |
| schestowitz | contact some journalists | Sep 21 03:12 |
| schestowitz | e.g. in Ars technica, IDG... | Sep 21 03:12 |
| schestowitz | also ping Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols <sjvn@vna1.com> | Sep 21 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | Hello, | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I bought a Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2 Ultrabook at Best Buy and then found out that Linux can’t be installed on it. | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up going around in circles on the Lenovo support forum and then finally posted a negative review on Best Buy. A Lenovo employee replied that they locked the machine to prevent Linux from being installed due to their “Signature Edition” agreement for Windows 10 with Microsoft. | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I posted all about this on Lenovo’s forum and they are trying to delete the thread (one of the links still works, it’s in Google’s Cache, and we are backing it all up to the Wayback Machine while it’s still visible). | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I posted a Reddit thread about the issue: | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | If you could look into this for me and maybe try to get some answers out of Lenovo (which has completely clammed up), I would appreciate it very much. | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you, | Sep 21 03:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 03:17 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Sep 21 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I sent that to sjvn | Sep 21 03:17 |
| schestowitz | excellent | Sep 21 03:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe try Swapnil as well, same text | Sep 21 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Swapnil Bhartiya <arnieswap@gmail.com> Swapnil Bhartiya <editor@muktware.com> | Sep 21 03:18 |
| schestowitz | I think the former should work | Sep 21 03:18 |
| schestowitz | when it all ends I might write about it as well | Sep 21 03:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IsABellUseful/status/778327826269343745 | Sep 21 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IsABellUseful: Juste un rappel: 41000 entreprises US installées au Canada et qui pourront profiter des arbitrages privés du #CETA ! | Sep 21 03:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/778179809046388736 | Sep 21 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @GOettingerEU @DSMeu "This is EU tax payer money really well spent" Euh. | Sep 21 03:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778490941749469184 | Sep 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and | Sep 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arduino https://t.co/w6ETiSPKas (hackerboards.com) | Sep 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and Arduino | Sep 21 03:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496409200832512 | Sep 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CouchDB 2.0 https://t.co/lnPNc64BfI (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CouchDB 2.0 | Tux Machines | Sep 21 03:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496410366816256 | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 https://t.co/S0ePJ35jjs | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 | Tux Machines | Sep 21 03:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496411385991168 | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 https://t.co/oQUc1cPsvJ | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 03:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 21 03:30 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got the Wayback Machine version of all 19 pages posted. | Sep 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | In case Lenovo manages to delete the originals. | Sep 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12545878 | Sep 21 04:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Linux can't be installed on recent Lenovo laptops per a secret agreement with MS | Hacker News | Sep 21 04:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Hacker News on ycombinator picked the topic up. | Sep 21 04:04 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good news | Sep 21 04:16 |
| schestowitz | someone just posted this in diaspora | Sep 21 04:16 |
| schestowitz | fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ | Sep 21 04:16 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even look for it, it was just there | Sep 21 04:16 |
| schestowitz | I think he works or used to work for Canonical | Sep 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Having trouble loading it. | Sep 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's indexed in Bing News though, of all placed. | Sep 21 04:16 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/7870566 | Sep 21 04:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karim_khelouiati@framasphere.org: #Linux #Microsoft #Lenovo #arnaque Impossible d'installer LINUX sur les nouveaux Lenovo http://fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ | Sep 21 04:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ http://fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ ) | Sep 21 04:17 | |
| schestowitz | well done, you gave them a scandal | Sep 21 04:17 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft too is implicated | Sep 21 04:17 |
| schestowitz | ruins the "loves Linux" BS | Sep 21 04:17 |
| schestowitz | I shall link to it from Tux Machines | Sep 21 04:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/778507377926664192 | Sep 21 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz Hadrian's firewall... | Sep 21 04:18 | |
| schestowitz | damn, that site is down now | Sep 21 04:18 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. it came back up | Sep 21 04:21 |
| schestowitz | I think me linking to it takes it over capacity | Sep 21 04:21 |
| schestowitz | or maybe it's hot in some site like /. or others... | Sep 21 04:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496412614995968 | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phones and Tablets https://t.co/34xlqOUgaK | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 04:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu Phones and Tablets | Tux Machines | Sep 21 04:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496413965574144 | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arduino https://t.co/tUoGbtUHTM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 04:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and Arduino | Tux Machines | Sep 21 04:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778509278441246720 | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing | Sep 21 04:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/ni36Fzlkk8 (fossboss.com) | Sep 21 04:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 04:24 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]tudorapo 2 points an hour ago | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Why is it good to buy a microsoft signature pc? Is it cheaper, has special features, comes in red, with a supercharger and hood scoops? | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Just asking, i am not familiar with these fancy things here in the medieval times. | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | A Microsoft Signature PC is supposed to be a special version of an OEM's regular model that comes without any crapware. | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | According to an article I read, there can be over thirty crap programs included on the average retail PC, including trial versions, questionable utilities, self-promoting spam from the OEM, etc. Strangely enough, Microsoft excluded trial copies of MS Office from the requirement to not have bloatware. So I did have one program to uninstall. | Sep 21 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, "Signature" is now going to mean "only runs Windows", and since all computers OEMs put in the Microsoft Store have to be "Signature", that's all of those, and maybe the OEMs will decide to lock down the non-Signature models too so they don't have to maintain two BIOSes. So eventually there may not be a safe place to buy an OEM PC. | Sep 21 04:24 |
| schestowitz | wait until they extend the programme | Sep 21 04:24 |
| schestowitz | to further limit GNU/Linux installations | Sep 21 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | Non-signature might soon mean "only runs Windows" and 30 crap programs pre-installed... | Sep 21 04:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it spreads widely in social [control] media now | Sep 21 04:27 |
| schestowitz | so this incident has started a Web-wide debate | Sep 21 04:27 |
| schestowitz | and I think it's just the start | Sep 21 04:27 |
| cubexyz | as long as you can usb boot, or cd boot, you're OK | Sep 21 04:27 |
| cubexyz | otherwise yes that is a problem | Sep 21 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | [–]r1243 2 points an hour ago | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | shit | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | yoga 510 signature or not? hope European consumer protection will fuck them up | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | https://askubuntu.com/questions/790122/suspend-not-working-on-lenovo-yoga-510-15isk | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Judging from this, you'll probably get Linux working, but with severe power management problems, like the laptop not going to sleep with the lid shut, or you open the lid and it doesn't wake up. | Sep 21 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | Suspend not working on Lenovo Yoga 510-15ISK - Ask Ubuntu | Sep 21 04:28 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Adrian Kingsley-Hughes says he's looking into it. | Sep 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | User Actions | Sep 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Follow | Sep 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 04:29 | |
| DaemonFC | AdiKingsley-Hughes 🌐Verified account | Sep 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | @the_pc_doc | Sep 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | @ZomgPinkPonies thanks for this. Looking into it now. | Sep 21 04:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 21 04:31 |
| schestowitz | he has many followers | Sep 21 04:31 |
| schestowitz | inc. the Windows camp | Sep 21 04:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93778 | Sep 21 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 21 04:33 | |
| cubexyz | chromebook + crouton is looking better and better these days | Sep 21 04:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/778512243180830720 | Sep 21 04:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz Hmm | Sep 21 04:36 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, now it does split view apparently | Sep 21 04:36 |
| schestowitz | not that I tried ti | Sep 21 04:36 |
| schestowitz | requires a plugin I think | Sep 21 04:36 |
| schestowitz | which means requiring that you create a google account to sign in, can't do it as "guest" | Sep 21 04:36 |
| cubexyz | that's ok | Sep 21 04:37 |
| schestowitz | we have two chromebooks here | Sep 21 04:37 |
| schestowitz | Acer | Sep 21 04:37 |
| schestowitz | and one HP standard laptop | Sep 21 04:37 |
| schestowitz | the chromebooks serve us well with GNU/Linux on them | Sep 21 04:37 |
| cubexyz | also InaTux Computers builds coreboot systems | Sep 21 04:37 |
| schestowitz | one of these cost just 99 pounds | Sep 21 04:37 |
| cubexyz | http://inatux.com/?gnu | Sep 21 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fully Free Software Compatible GNU/Linux Systems! - InaTux Computers | Sep 21 04:37 | |
| cubexyz | I've seen used ones on ebay for about $75 | Sep 21 04:40 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know they were still active | Sep 21 04:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I remember what you did to Foxconn around 2008 | Sep 21 04:44 |
| cubexyz | ok, I just sent them a message so we'll see | Sep 21 04:44 |
| schestowitz | I think they were not even widely known before that | Sep 21 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | Update: The Lenovo employee posted about locking the thread. Basically, he called me disruptive and then said that if they had to, they would turn on pre-approval so that nobody can comment until they've read it and have made sure it won't embarrass them. Nice, huh? Don't address the issue. Don't say anything about whether the problem will be fixed. Don't re-open the thread. Just threaten and bully people with the "We can make sure your | Sep 21 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | posts are never seen." option. | Sep 21 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | I updated the thread to reference this. | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | tell SJVN about it | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | and others | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | the fossboss site is still now available | Sep 21 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | I emailed SJVN. | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | I suppose due to load | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | this needs to go viral | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | it damages Microsoft, not just Lenovo | Sep 21 04:53 |
| schestowitz | because Lenovo is doing what Microsoft told them | Sep 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz | and it proves, again, that Microsoft hates Linux | Sep 21 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | Fossboss not working for me. | Sep 21 04:54 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/778518239454359552 | Sep 21 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz boycott #lenovo ? | Sep 21 04:58 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: opening paragraphs in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93778 | Sep 21 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 21 04:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/raphaellaN/status/778518725997715456 | Sep 21 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@raphaellaN: @schestowitz @goddersbloom students are expected to be exposed to different thoughts,views and mature enough to analyse and debate. | Sep 21 04:58 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got a PM from Alexander J. Martin of The Register. | Sep 21 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | from alexanderjmartin sent just now | Sep 21 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | We've been on top of Lenovo's BIOS mischief in the past too: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nasty/ | Sep 21 05:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | CAUGHT: Lenovo crams unremovable crapware into Windows laptops – by hiding it in the BIOS • The Register | Sep 21 05:00 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I replied. | Sep 21 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | Is there a way that you could please cover this? Lenovo is stonewalling us on this and trying to delete evidence. If you can quote the archived versions of their forum so they are as close to what was actually said as possible, that would be best. | Sep 21 05:02 |
| cubexyz | I have a question: who writes the lenovo bios? | Sep 21 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | Hi /u/BaronHK, | Sep 21 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Great post on Lenovo's dodgy signature edition locks. I'm a journalist at The Register and am chasing up the issue with Lenovo and Microsoft at the moment. Are you available for a phone call regarding the issue as it affected your purchase? My number is 020 3714 1082 if you are interested in talking about it. | Sep 21 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | With my thanks for your time, Alexander | Sep 21 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | to alexanderjmartin sent just now | Sep 21 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I can probably do one tomorrow. It's 4 AM my time and I should have been in bed hours ago. I'm afraid I also don't have international calling. I could probably get in touch with you over Skype or you could call me? I'll be available probably around 8 PM in Chicago. | Sep 21 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you! | Sep 21 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I send him another reply saying I could answer questions in an email if he would send them to me. | Sep 21 05:05 |
| cubexyz | probably it's AMI | Sep 21 05:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: excellent! | Sep 21 05:08 |
| schestowitz | Let me know of any articles you see about it | Sep 21 05:08 |
| schestowitz | in Diaspora I see people mentioning it | Sep 21 05:08 |
| schestowitz | that's how I found the fossboss one | Sep 21 05:08 |
| schestowitz | try to look for more coverage, this way it'll become mainstream news | Sep 21 05:08 |
| cubexyz | AMI is basically a Microsoft shop | Sep 21 05:10 |
| cubexyz | they use microsoft tools for everything | Sep 21 05:10 |
| cubexyz | visual studio with nmake | Sep 21 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | rom KTL175 via /r/linux sent 20 minutes ago | Sep 21 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | Can someone please ELI5: ? Is this along the same lines as wireless companies preventing you from unlocking your phone? | Sep 21 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually worse. The PC has always been an "open" platform and meant for general purpose computing. Before Microsoft imposed UEFI BIOS (bugs and all), Secure Boot, and now restrictions like the one introduced into Lenovo's UEFI BIOS firmware, we sometimes had problems running Linux on a PC, but with workarounds, usually involving watching how Windows handled things, Linux eventually worked pretty well on most computers. Since UEFI | Sep 21 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | replaced the traditional BIOS, we've had a huge mess on our hands, sometimes even when the computer isn't trying to stop Linux from installing or running. This new Microsoft restriction on general purpose PCs is, I believe, the first step in making a PC more like an iPhone. First they will take away our ability to run other operating systems, then they'll eventually impose restrictions on what you can install, maybe even forcing us to use | Sep 21 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows Store, where they decide what programs are allowed in, then siphon off 30% of the developers profits, add no value, and make software more expensive for everybody. Does anyone really want to live in that world? | Sep 21 05:12 |
| cubexyz | so one good question is: does your BIOS at least have legacy boot? | Sep 21 05:13 |
| cubexyz | if not, don't buy | Sep 21 05:14 |
| cubexyz | most of the AMI BIOSes have legacy boot, I know that much | Sep 21 05:15 |
| cubexyz | cedar trail. ivy bridge, sandy bridge microarch all should have it | Sep 21 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | from SAKUJ0 via /r/linux sent 3 minutes ago | Sep 21 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | You can always just use Windows 10 and use the Ubuntu linux environment inside of Windows 10 :^) | Sep 21 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | No GUI programs work. It's basically bash and programs that run in the terminal. It's not really what most people think when they hear "Windows Subsystem for Linux". In fact, I doubt that the compatibility and performance are very good considering it's new and Microsoft reimplemented Linux APIs without using any Linux code (which would subject them to the terms of the GNU General Public License. The Windows Subsystem for Linux is not an | Sep 21 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | answer. It's a joke. A very bad joke. | Sep 21 05:20 |
| cubexyz | ok, now AFTER sandy bridge era things get murky | Sep 21 05:20 |
| cubexyz | I greped the leaked AMI source, and there's NO MENTION of legacy boot in Luna Pier | Sep 21 05:21 |
| cubexyz | in the 2003 era AMI bios there were many references to Redhat 8.0 testing | Sep 21 05:28 |
| cubexyz | but on the other side of the coin Lenovo also sells chromebooks... | Sep 21 05:32 |
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| schestowitz | I guess that later today or tomorrow Lenovo will be in the news | Sep 21 05:44 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't necessarily boycott lenovo | Sep 21 05:44 |
| cubexyz | just those models with locked down bioses | Sep 21 05:45 |
| cubexyz | lenovo chromebooks at least would have developer mode | Sep 21 05:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I wrote this to Alexander Martin. I also told him to call me late this evening. | Sep 21 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the stuff that I know about the issue with these systems, I actually learned from the Lenovo Support Forum thread that is linked in the Reddit post. I tried booting up several Linux live images. The usual. Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian. I couldn’t install to anything because the SSD never came up. There’s an NVMe SSD in these laptops, which Linux supports. And I understand you should be able to see it in /dev/nvme0 or something l | Sep 21 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | ike that, but no, nothing. And the usual commands like to check for PCI-E devices showed no SSD there. So I went to the forums and learned that Lenovo locked it to some sort of RAID mode, and then they not only patched the system firmware setup utility to hide the option to put it into AHCI mode (in fact, there’s no storage device mode settings in there at all), but they apparently wrote more code to put it back in RAID mode if you go | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | t cute and tried setting the mode to AHCI in EFI Shell. So everything that I was likely to think of to work around the issue, and probably more, was covered in the support thread. And none of it worked. Somewhere along the way, a Lenovo support person said they escalated it to the BIOS development team. That was months ago. No word on anything yet. The latest BIOS revision posted in the drivers section is version 5 from April. My PC is | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | running version 8 dated June 22. No release notes from Lenovo along the way. Nothing like that. So they’ve had this computer on the market for nearly a year, revised the BIOS 8 times. We know they patched out the setting and wrote more code to force it to stay in RAID mode. If they wanted this fixed, it would be fixed. I even reached out to Matthew Garrett who suggested that maybe Linux just doesn’t support driving an AHCI device | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | in RAID mode. So I became exasperated and left a one star review on Best Buy, which it pained me to do. This system has some really awesome hardware in it. A Lenovo employee responded and said that the laptop is “locked” due to their “Signature Edition” agreement for Windows 10 with Microsoft. | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | So that got my blood boiling. | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | So I’ve been in this conversation on Lenovo’s forums and a guy said that he modded the BIOS and used an external flasher to get around Lenovo’s signature checks and put it in AHCI mode. The code was all still there, just hidden. He reported that Windows and Linux both run great on his machine. | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | So, Linux doesn’t support the RAID mode, but it does support the AHCI mode that this guy managed to unlock on his device (but the solution wouldn’t scale because of the complexity of doing all of that), so this combined with Lenovo’s response to my Best Buy review tells us that Microsoft wanted them to break Linux, and this was a way to break Linux. (Some people are confusing this with Secure Boot, which you can turn off on | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | this machine, but which is not the problem. Linux boots in Secure Boot mode or with it off. ) And it’s a way to break Linux that makes Linux look like it might be the party at fault. It’s not like it would be the first time they had the idea. There was the infamous AARD code. (Makes for a good Wikipedia read.) | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | So, is Microsoft telling their PC OEM partners to break Linux in ways that make people think it’s problems with Linux? It’s plausible. Especially since Lenovo told me they “locked” the computer. This is a really awful and hacky way to “lock” it, but whatever gets the job done. Right? | Sep 21 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, time to get some sleep. | Sep 21 06:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778529905797718016 | Sep 21 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stock Android might have a “Restart” option starting with | Sep 21 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android 7.1 https://t.co/eqZmJgjjN6 (www.gsmarena.com) | Sep 21 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 06:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stock Android might have a Restart option starting with Android 7.1 - GSMArena.com news | Sep 21 06:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778529951502966784 | Sep 21 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Best Linux Desktop for Customization | Sep 21 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/j5d24eH6fG (www.datamation.com) | Sep 21 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 06:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Linux Desktop for Customization - Datamation | Sep 21 06:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778535304517054464 | Sep 21 06:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux | Sep 21 06:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Installations https://t.co/72iFzocavy (techrights.org) | Sep 21 06:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 06:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations...' | Sep 21 06:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 06:15 | |
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| schestowitz | hi, hi | Sep 21 06:27 |
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| chub | o/ saw this chan get dropped in a reddit discussion over ms/lenovo shittery, though i would lurk for discussion | Sep 21 06:37 |
| chub | with rms in your header how can you go wrong :) | Sep 21 06:38 |
| cubexyz | there's some good info here: | Sep 21 06:48 |
| cubexyz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Yoga_900 | Sep 21 06:48 |
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| cubexyz | evidently you can install Linux on an earlier version | Sep 21 06:48 |
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| hl | Oh hell, is this a whole channel full of people who see red when confronted with restrictive code signing practices? | Sep 21 06:57 |
| hl | Greetings. | Sep 21 06:57 |
| cubexyz | oh they are messing around with the BIOS for sure | Sep 21 07:04 |
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| Sophira | Hi. | Sep 21 07:05 |
| schestowitz | affect intellectual prop | Sep 21 07:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/778550115501940737 | Sep 21 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jhamby: Warning: Microsoft Doesn't Want You To Install #Linux On Its "Signature PCs". Not cool! cc @schestowitz @DanielEran https://t.co/dVq0dMHvBf | Sep 21 07:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/778538056781406208 | Sep 21 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux | Sep 21 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @The_Code_Shirts Installations https://t.co/72iFzocavy (techrights.org) | Sep 21 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 07:13 | |
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| cubexyz | all the "don't buy Lenovo" comments are a bit silly though | Sep 21 07:14 |
| cubexyz | just avoid the problem models like Yoga-13ISK2 | Sep 21 07:15 |
| Tervy | its more moral question that should people fund such company what does things like this | Sep 21 07:16 |
| Tervy | was it intentional or not | Sep 21 07:17 |
| cubexyz | not defending Lenovo, just pointing out they build chromebooks with coreboot | Sep 21 07:17 |
| Tervy | thats true that people should not forget good deeds to industry but is it still right to backstab for money | Sep 21 07:21 |
| Tervy | well backstab is wrong word maybe | Sep 21 07:21 |
| Tervy | but play on both teams maybe | Sep 21 07:21 |
| XRevan86 | Can someone say in short what Lenovo exactly did? | Sep 21 07:21 |
| XRevan86 | Something to do with BIOS? | Sep 21 07:22 |
| XRevan86 | Forced Secure Boot maybe? | Sep 21 07:22 |
| Tervy | there is no official statement as far as i know .. nor anyone have properly reverse-engineered the reason for such activity | Sep 21 07:23 |
| hl | So I actually built a wiki to track this sort of crap recently | Sep 21 07:23 |
| hl | https://violations.devever.net/w/Lenovo_Laptops/V2 | Sep 21 07:23 |
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| hl | just added this. | Sep 21 07:23 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently I guessed right: Forced Secure Boot. | Sep 21 07:24 |
| cubexyz | Linux can't be installed on certain SSD when it operates in RAID mode | Sep 21 07:24 |
| XRevan86 | with disabled signature changing | Sep 21 07:24 |
| cubexyz | some hackers have modded it already but it's a big pain to fix it | Sep 21 07:25 |
| cubexyz | they use clips so they don't need to desolder the chip | Sep 21 07:27 |
| cubexyz | better to avoid it I'd say | Sep 21 07:28 |
| cubexyz | if it was socketed that would be a bit safer | Sep 21 07:29 |
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| cubexyz | http://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey | Sep 21 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yoga 900 13isk2 Linux Support - Album on Imgur | Sep 21 07:33 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/lenovo-yoga-900-running-fedora.png | Sep 21 07:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Weird partitioning. | Sep 21 07:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ah, it's not yours apparently | Sep 21 07:41 |
| cubexyz | I'd never run out and buy one in the first place :) | Sep 21 07:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: True :). | Sep 21 07:42 |
| cubexyz | there's a fair about of discussion going on in http://www.bios-mods.com about this stuff | Sep 21 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | Bios Mods -The Best BIOS Update and Modification Source | Sep 21 07:44 | |
| cubexyz | years ago I did a coreboot project of my own | Sep 21 07:44 |
| Tervy | Hi looking that your sites violationsList | Sep 21 07:45 |
| Tervy | do people really complain about aspect ratio ? | Sep 21 07:45 |
| cubexyz | so if I see that there's no support in coreboot, then I'm automatically on my guard | Sep 21 07:46 |
| hl | Tervy: it's just a pet peeve of mine. | Sep 21 07:46 |
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| Tervy | https://bof.nl/2016/09/19/head-of-dutch-security-service-is-fed-up-with-privacy-concerns/ opinions on this | Sep 21 07:54 |
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| hl | Tervy: Yeah, it's hilarious. These people are incapable of objectivity. | Sep 21 07:55 |
| hl | These people appear to be terrified by the idea that some people might have a conversation and they won't be there to overhear it. | Sep 21 07:56 |
| cubexyz | CRTs can change aspect ratio but LCDs usually have one mode they work best in | Sep 21 07:56 |
| hl | 'Fear of people communicating' seems like an appropriate descriptor. | Sep 21 07:56 |
| cubexyz | some old games used 640x400 so I had to adjust xorg.conf a fair bit to get Linux to set that mode | Sep 21 07:56 |
| hl | cubexyz: Ah, no. I'm referring to the way the LCD PC monitor industry moved from 16:10 to almost all 16:9 some years back so they could cheap out by homogenizing their production lines to use the same lines for TVs and monitors. | Sep 21 07:57 |
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| Tervy | aint that good for customer in terms of cheaper monitors and better support for videos average users watch as they have 16:9 ratio mostly ? | Sep 21 07:58 |
| cubexyz | oh interesting, I didn't realize that | Sep 21 07:58 |
| Tervy | as in istead perfecting 2 different types of production they would fine tune the single production line more ? | Sep 21 07:59 |
| hl | If you want a 16:9 monitor you can buy one. It's a loss in terms of vertical screen space, which is already kind of at a premium. And the extra space provides room for controls when watching 16:9 video. | Sep 21 07:59 |
| cubexyz | I thought you were complaining about 4:3 games getting stretched or something :) | Sep 21 07:59 |
| hl | Nah. I just worry one day I won't be able to buy 16:10 monitors. | Sep 21 08:00 |
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| Tervy | well true that they may go extinct but for sake of standards and helpping everyone who is making material from guis to videogames to movies etc in my opinion might be worth it | Sep 21 08:02 |
| hl | Meh. I don't think I've ever seen a video game that doesn't support 16:10 or even 4:3 resolutions. And we've mobile devices giving us ever more resolutions, etc. | Sep 21 08:03 |
| Tervy | that true | Sep 21 08:04 |
| cubexyz | ASUS has a few 16:10's | Sep 21 08:05 |
| cubexyz | and there's Ultra Panavision movies which were extra wide | Sep 21 08:11 |
| hl | Yeah, films seem to live in a world of their own, aspect-ratio wise. | Sep 21 08:11 |
| cubexyz | I watched some of those on TV :) | Sep 21 08:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.nyest.hu/media/mi-fan-terem-az-ironia.jpg?large | Sep 21 08:14 |
| Sophira | XRevan86: As for what Lenovo actually did, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/d7vnnqz?context=1 is the best explanation | Sep 21 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. [ http://ur1.ca/prymm ] | Sep 21 08:29 | |
| Sophira | ...that I've seen. | Sep 21 08:29 |
| Sophira | (sorry, hit RETURN too soon) | Sep 21 08:30 |
| XRevan86 | Sophira: Ah. | Sep 21 08:33 |
| Sophira | (I've seen things that say that this is likely to do with an agreement to not allow Windows 7/8 to be installed, rather than Linux specifically. But that's just as bad IMO.) | Sep 21 08:33 |
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| MinceR | so much for the alleged free market | Sep 21 08:51 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/MJlJ11r.jpg | Sep 21 09:17 |
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| MinceR | > Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are discussing their countries, and decide to have a contest to see whose soldiers are more obedient. They are in a hotel at the top of a mountain near a cliff. | Sep 21 09:28 |
| MinceR | > Vladimir Putin instructs a soldier to run and jump off the cliff. The soldier says "Please Putin, I have a wife and children!" Putin lets him go. | Sep 21 09:28 |
| MinceR | > Kim Jong Un instructs a soldier to jump. The soldier runs to jump off the cliff. Putin grabs him before he can, telling him not to jump. The soldier says "Please Putin, I have a wife and children!" | Sep 21 09:28 |
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| absentia | talk about lenovo locking here? | Sep 21 09:48 |
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| MinceR | yes | Sep 21 09:52 |
| absentia | I assume this is something that microsoft is now just starting to roll out (signature edition?) and it will be seen more and more in the future -- not just with shady companies like lenovo? | Sep 21 09:53 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 09:53 |
| absentia | ie: this is MS, not lenovo (and nevermind lenovo has enough shadiness on their own) | Sep 21 09:53 |
| absentia | I haven't purchased a laptop in 12 years... I just need to make sure I know all the crap MS (and others) are pulling -- as I often get asked for recommendations. | Sep 21 09:54 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to buy a laptop soon | Sep 21 09:54 |
| MinceR | and things don't seem to promising | Sep 21 09:54 |
| absentia | I am looking to purchase a game machine this year -- not a laptop ... and I dought that I'd want to boot linux/freebsd, but being prevented from doing so -- is another issue. You never know what you might want to do in the future. | Sep 21 09:54 |
| absentia | I was reading about the bios locking a few years back... so it's interesting to see how long it takes for that to actually get out to the wild. | Sep 21 09:55 |
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| fernweh | Just woke up and am learning about this Signature PC bs... is this legit? | Sep 21 10:03 |
| MinceR | apparently so | Sep 21 10:04 |
| MinceR | looks like laws against tying and monopoly abuse have either been repealed or just aren't enforced anymore | Sep 21 10:05 |
| fernweh | And this is only with designated Signature PC's and not any of the other current models? | Sep 21 10:05 |
| MinceR | so they say | Sep 21 10:05 |
| MinceR | but so far the only case i know of is the yoga 900 or something | Sep 21 10:05 |
| MinceR | about which lenovo support said the anti-competitive fuckage is due to m$'s request regarding the "Signature PC" bullshit | Sep 21 10:05 |
| fernweh | Yes, reading the deleted threads now | Sep 21 10:05 |
| fernweh | I guess it wasn't enough to ruin the ThinkPad? | Sep 21 10:06 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if they've ruined it | Sep 21 10:06 |
| MinceR | they've undone the touch strip bullshit, the touchpad bullshit and the stupid gray color | Sep 21 10:06 |
| fernweh | Yes, but they pulled an Apple and now only have chiclet styled keyboard and widescreen displays... like the rest of the industry. | Sep 21 10:07 |
| MinceR | allegedly the keyboard feels like the old one -- i didn't have an opportunity to try it though | Sep 21 10:07 |
| MinceR | they've fucked up the keyboard layout in a slow process | Sep 21 10:08 |
| absentia | 09:05 < fernweh> And this is only with designated Signature PC's and not any of the other current models? | Sep 21 10:08 |
| absentia | fow now. | Sep 21 10:08 |
| MinceR | even my x220i tablet has the Insert key moved and the Delete key doubled in size for no good reason | Sep 21 10:08 |
| fernweh | Thank you absentia | Sep 21 10:08 |
| absentia | I expect it to spread like a virus... | Sep 21 10:08 |
| fernweh | I stopped at the x220 series and have stalled on that model for the past three years | Sep 21 10:09 |
| absentia | I was planning to never purchase from lenovo again anyway, but I expect this issue to cross into other brands... at some point. | Sep 21 10:09 |
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| fernweh | I'm in the process of creating a clamshell desktop using Intel's newer thin-mini-itx spec | Sep 21 10:09 |
| absentia | sorry to be nasy, but when lenovo went chinese owned -- that was the end. | Sep 21 10:09 |
| MinceR | also, the keyboard liquid drain holes seem to have disappeared recently | Sep 21 10:09 |
| fernweh | Yes, it's taking over the industry. We've become niche consumers | Sep 21 10:09 |
| MinceR | do you know of any good thinkpad replacements? | Sep 21 10:10 |
| MinceR | (preferably in the x-series style) | Sep 21 10:10 |
| fernweh | No | Sep 21 10:10 |
| fernweh | No, but I did read something about a retro thinkpad... it never materialized | Sep 21 10:10 |
| absentia | but it's a thinkpad in name only. | Sep 21 10:10 |
| fernweh | I've given up. I'm just going to create my own solution with a real mechanical keyboard and thin-mini-itx components. | Sep 21 10:11 |
| absentia | new lenovo != old (ibm) lenovo | Sep 21 10:11 |
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| fernweh | Not even close. I have 33ish older model thinkpad T40-T43's that prove how much the hardware has changed. | Sep 21 10:12 |
| fernweh | Those were the best of the T series | Sep 21 10:12 |
| MinceR | PowerBridge seems kind of neat though | Sep 21 10:12 |
| fernweh | I don't disagree. Lenovo has innovated... the problem is in the design and construction | Sep 21 10:13 |
| fernweh | Ergonomics and smart design do matter | Sep 21 10:14 |
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| JordiGH | holy shit, Lenovo. | Sep 21 10:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 10:36 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 21 10:37 |
| JordiGH | I hope the mainstream press picks up this story. | Sep 21 10:37 |
| MinceR | why would they care? | Sep 21 10:38 |
| MinceR | they never did | Sep 21 10:38 |
| MinceR | and people care less than ever before | Sep 21 10:38 |
| MinceR | people also don't care about having a botnet malware (known as "windows 10") factory preinstalled on their PCs | Sep 21 10:41 |
| MinceR | they also don't mind uefi, or intel boot guard, or iOS | Sep 21 10:41 |
| JordiGH | Huh, Lenovo says it was unintentional and is about having RAID on SSD Linux drivers. | Sep 21 10:41 |
| MinceR | or systemd | Sep 21 10:41 |
| JordiGH | This sounds... false? | Sep 21 10:41 |
| MinceR | strange, elsewhere it's alleged that they said it was intentional | Sep 21 10:41 |
| MinceR | due to microsoft | Sep 21 10:41 |
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| MinceR | http://66.media.tumblr.com/7bd0d896148fa1ef5b6d022b27f7734a/tumblr_odnfb1zmKh1srjwkeo1_1280.jpg | Sep 21 10:48 |
| JordiGH | I'm confused. | Sep 21 10:49 |
| absentia | I don't understand that comic | Sep 21 10:49 |
| absentia | do you read it left to right? bottom to top? | Sep 21 10:49 |
| MinceR | left to right, then down | Sep 21 10:50 |
| absentia | then I don't understand what it's trying to convey. | Sep 21 10:50 |
| JordiGH | Yeah... dude in white managed outsmart his attacker but gets killed by the police? | Sep 21 10:50 |
| JordiGH | Uh, so... police are dumb and can't tell who the bad guy is? | Sep 21 10:51 |
| MinceR | the man in green forces the man in white to bury him so that the police kills the man in white | Sep 21 10:51 |
| absentia | but the green guy had a gun | Sep 21 10:51 |
| absentia | why didn't he use it in the first place? | Sep 21 10:51 |
| MinceR | he did | Sep 21 10:51 |
| MinceR | he forced the guy in white to bury him with that threat | Sep 21 10:51 |
| absentia | oh | Sep 21 10:51 |
| absentia | "FER-REEEEZE. DON'T MOVE. PUT THE SHOVEL DOWN!!!!" | Sep 21 10:52 |
| absentia | 'but I have to move to put the shovel down!?!?' | Sep 21 10:52 |
| JordiGH | But the guy in green has his arm sticking out of the soil with his gun pointing... | Sep 21 10:52 |
| absentia | *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* | Sep 21 10:52 |
| JordiGH | This comic makes no sense. | Sep 21 10:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 21 10:54 |
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| MinceR | >Other laptops from Dell or ASUS for example also come pre-loaded with the Signature Edition. But they provide an option in the BIOS to switch the hard drive mode from RAID to AHCI; which later allows installing Linux. Lenovo however, doesn\u2019t. | Sep 21 11:17 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/Xqxsk#selection-3221.0-3221.242 | Sep 21 11:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux – FossBoss | Sep 21 11:17 | |
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| zstix | Does anyone know if the Lenovo BIOS issue is specific to the Yoga series, or if the carbon will have the same problem? | Sep 21 11:33 |
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| stateless | zstix, im pretty sure on the carbon you can switch to ahci | Sep 21 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fastbyte01/status/778590272452169728 | Sep 21 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fastbyte01: @Tails_live @schestowitz thanks for all your work. | Sep 21 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | wow, lots of new people abound | Sep 21 11:47 |
| schestowitz | is this because of the Lenovo thing Ryan was exploring? | Sep 21 11:48 |
| razielle_tzu | seems to be | Sep 21 11:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 11:50 |
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| JordiGH | schestowitz: Well, I'm not exactly new, just not very regular here. | Sep 21 11:51 |
| JordiGH | Quadrescence brought me here. Now I guess he's busy with IRL or something. | Sep 21 11:52 |
| JordiGH | But yeah, I came here because of Lenovo. | Sep 21 11:52 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI | Sep 21 11:56 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this for a long time | Sep 21 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Sep 21 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | turned out I was right | Sep 21 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Ryan proved it | Sep 21 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz is good with BIOS and EFI staff, AFAIK | Sep 21 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | the Lenovo thing is just the start unless we shame them enough | Sep 21 11:57 |
| schestowitz | other OEMs would do the same | Sep 21 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's lawyers obviously have a trick up their sleeves | Sep 21 11:57 |
| schestowitz | hi DaemonFC | Sep 21 11:57 |
| schestowitz | you brought new crowd here | Sep 21 11:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some more media coverage is abound this morning, Indiana time | Sep 21 11:57 |
| schestowitz | this morning I saw https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-install-linux-on-its-signature-pcs/ | Sep 21 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | I just got back home, DaemonFC | Sep 21 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | Just woke up after like 3 hours of sleep. LOL | Sep 21 11:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Checked my phone and saw the news. Decided to get on the laptop. | Sep 21 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Illinois, but pretty close. We're an hour behind most of Indiana. | Sep 21 11:59 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I've been reading the articles. Most of them present the basic facts. Paul Thurrott was in full tilt mode this morning. | Sep 21 12:00 |
| schestowitz | ah, yes, you move to chicago | Sep 21 12:01 |
| schestowitz | probably defending Microsoft, as usual | Sep 21 12:01 |
| schestowitz | do you see any press articles? | Sep 21 12:02 |
| schestowitz | I just got back home, haven't checked yet | Sep 21 12:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I did what I could since yesterday to spread the word about this, I think it'll spread to more OEMs unless there's public shaming | Sep 21 12:02 |
| MinceR | i think it will spread anyway | Sep 21 12:03 |
| MinceR | humans want to live like north koreans | Sep 21 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Ah, Adrian Kingsley | Sep 21 12:03 |
| MinceR | crippled is cool | Sep 21 12:03 |
| schestowitz | he just wrote about it | Sep 21 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | my wife is posting it to tuxmachines right now | Sep 21 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yes. Lenovo carefully denied everything. Careful wording. | Sep 21 12:03 |
| schestowitz | I see "updated" in Adrian Kingsley's headline | Sep 21 12:04 |
| schestowitz | it means Lenovo or Microsoft figured out their official excuse | Sep 21 12:04 |
| schestowitz | which I haven't yet read about | Sep 21 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo did. No comment from Microsoft yet. | Sep 21 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | "To improve system performance, Lenovo is leading an industry trend of adopting RAID on the SSDs in certain product configurations. Lenovo does not intentionally block customers using other operating systems on its devices and is fully committed to providing Linux certifications and installation guidance on a wide range of products -https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Unsupported models will rely on Linux operating system | Sep 21 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | vendors releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD." | Sep 21 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.lenovo.com | Linux for Personal Systems - Lenovo Support (US) | Sep 21 12:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Oops. | Sep 21 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | "To improve system performance, Lenovo is leading an industry trend of adopting RAID on the SSDs in certain product configurations. Lenovo does not intentionally block customers using other operating systems on its devices and is fully committed to providing Linux certifications and installation guidance on a wide range of products -https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Unsupported models will rely on Linux operating system | Sep 21 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | vendors releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD." | Sep 21 12:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tom_peters/status/778591782812708864 | Sep 21 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tom_peters: .@DrJillStein @schestowitz @GovGaryJohnson This is a one-issue election: Defeat Trump. | Sep 21 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 21 12:07 |
| MinceR | http://qdb.us/310743 | Sep 21 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qdb.us | QDB: Quote #310743 | Sep 21 12:07 | |
| DaemonFC | It's a single SSD system. I looked at benchmarks with these things in AHCI and RAID mode and there wasn't a significant performance improvement. Linux needs "drivers". Yeah, for complex setup that applies to like three Lenovo laptops... Other Ultrabook makers let you put it in AHCI mode and that's that. | Sep 21 12:07 |
| MinceR | how many SSDs are in that piece of junk anyway? | Sep 21 12:08 |
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| Broam | and we all know softraid sucks anyway | Sep 21 12:08 |
| MinceR | oh, single | Sep 21 12:08 |
| schestowitz | OK, so Lenovo blames Microsoft | Sep 21 12:09 |
| Broam | So that's RAID what, -1? | Sep 21 12:09 |
| schestowitz | good | Sep 21 12:09 |
| MinceR | that most useful of RAID modes, using an array with a single member | Sep 21 12:09 |
| schestowitz | and says Microsoft is requiring this | Sep 21 12:09 |
| MinceR | Broam: something like that | Sep 21 12:09 |
| schestowitz | so much for "Mirosoft loves Linux" then | Sep 21 12:09 |
| Broam | well, it's all left hand / right hand. | Sep 21 12:09 |
| schestowitz | This morning I asked the Linux Foundation for their comment and added a snide remark about them taking money from Microsoft (which they do, so expect silence) | Sep 21 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | has anyone set up a petition or something to that effect, or asked regulators to look into it? | Sep 21 12:11 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, there was a lawsuit in Spain over UEFI | Sep 21 12:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe they should revisit the lawsuits in light of these latest developments | Sep 21 12:11 |
| MinceR | why, what did the regulators did about internet explorer forcing? | Sep 21 12:11 |
| MinceR | jack shit | Sep 21 12:11 |
| MinceR | humanity is ripe for extinction | Sep 21 12:12 |
| MinceR | s/s did/s do/ | Sep 21 12:12 |
| MinceR | they don't want to be free and they don't want to survive, so let them die | Sep 21 12:13 |
| Broam | you forgot your /g so here it is | Sep 21 12:13 |
| Broam | ;) | Sep 21 12:13 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-reportedly-blocking-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs/ | Sep 21 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | ZDNet | Sep 21 12:13 | |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK JUST NOW | Sep 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's a single SSD system. I looked at benchmarks with these things in AHCI and RAID mode and there wasn't a significant performance improvement. | Sep 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | Linux needs "drivers". Yeah, for complex and braindead stupid setup that applies to like three Lenovo laptops... Other Ultrabook makers let you put it in AHCI mode and that's that. No special drivers needed. Not Lenovo. They removed the AHCI option and then wrote new code to keep you from setting AHCI mode from EFI shell. Now they're saying they support Linux while saying "We don't support it." on these Ultrabooks. This response is such | Sep 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | nonsense. I honestly expected better. | Sep 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | My reply to their reply... | Sep 21 12:13 |
| MinceR | ooh, zdnet | Sep 21 12:13 |
| MinceR | is it worth reading their spin at all? | Sep 21 12:13 |
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| MinceR | https://scontent.ftsr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14440720_538746749667522_1913104263022370491_n.jpg?oh=3d60381a5915ec163123d8cc703eb032&oe=586C401C | Sep 21 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629086465945600 | Sep 21 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/iT9zvdrqzZ | Sep 21 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Sep 21 12:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2016/09/21/microsoft-blocking-linux/ | Sep 21 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Microsoft is now blocking laptops from installing Linux | Sep 21 12:29 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-said-to-ban-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs-508494.shtml | Sep 21 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Said to Ban Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs | Sep 21 12:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://mspoweruser.com/lenovo-denies-blocking-linux-windows-10-pcs/ | Sep 21 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo denies blocking Linux on its Windows 10 PCs - MSPoweruser | Sep 21 12:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37431299 | Sep 21 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo's Signature laptops refuse to install Linux - BBC News | Sep 21 12:30 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-home-signature-editions-lenovo-yogas-locked-to-disallow-linux-installations | Sep 21 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-name lookup timed out ( status 0 @ http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-home-signature-editions-lenovo-yogas-locked-to-disallow-linux-installations ) | Sep 21 12:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://techgage.com/news/if-youre-a-linux-user-be-wary-of-microsofts-signature-pcs/ | Sep 21 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If You’re A Linux User, Be Wary Of Microsoft’s ‘Signature’ PCs – Techgage | Sep 21 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/778632158055374848 | Sep 21 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: This can only mean that Windows 10 is sinking like the Titanic. https://t.co/8BS14aE7NK | Sep 21 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It is very clear that #microsoft lawyers crafted a war on #gnu #linux on the desktop, yet again. Ask #lenovo https://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 | Sep 21 12:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/cant-install-linux-microsoft-signature-edition-laptop | Sep 21 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | You Can't Install Linux on a Microsoft Signature Edition Laptop - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 21 12:37 | |
| Tervy | didnt see this posted yet http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/21/lenovo_denies_plot_with_microsoft_to_block_linux_installs/ | Sep 21 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Lenovo denies claims it plotted with Microsoft to block Linux installs • The Register | Sep 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629382357344256 | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/UmtYq9YE2i | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) | Sep 21 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 21 12:41 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature...' | Sep 21 12:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Sep 21 12:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778630022466826240 | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft Reportedly Requires “Signature PCs” To Be | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Locked To Only Running Windows https://t.co/kFydstVodw | Sep 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Reportedly Requires "Signature PCs" To Be Locked To Only Running Windows - Phoronix | Sep 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635207326871553 | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Its “Signature PCs” https://t.co/fTCZnuEd0n | Sep 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On Its “Signature PCs” | Tux Machines | Sep 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635208430014465 | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635209558241280 | Sep 21 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Sep 21 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/iXaLVcRgIR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Tux Machines | Sep 21 12:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ts13/lenovo_responds_we_dont_intentionally_block_linux/ | Sep 21 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo responds: We don't intentionally block Linux, but operating system vendors are responsible for releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD : linux | Sep 21 12:42 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lenovo threw their employee under the bus. | Sep 21 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Unfortunately, I cannot confirm our relationship to the person at Best Buy." | Sep 21 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Part of Lenovo's response. | Sep 21 12:43 |
| razielle_tzu | this shit is a mess | Sep 21 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 21 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | They throw their own employee under the bus. Wow. Stay classy, Lenovo! | Sep 21 12:44 |
| Tervy | i surely hope it grows bigger | Sep 21 12:44 |
| Tervy | is there way to pastebin those url neatly on same place.. id love to send link package to local media outlets | Sep 21 12:45 |
| razielle_tzu | create your own by c/p-ing them? | Sep 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Tervy: yes, it might | Sep 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | depending on how they handle it | Sep 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | deleting forum threads was unwise | Sep 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | not everyone who works as mod in a "corporate" setting understands the Streisand Effect | Sep 21 12:47 |
| Tervy | i sent small link package to 1 outlet when this shitshow startted with just google cache link and screenshots from there and there | Sep 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | it just served to show they had no decent response and were covering something up | Sep 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | which in turn becomes a key part of the story | Sep 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft planned this for more OEMs | Sep 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | the exposure can force them to rethink | Sep 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | and more importantly, it undermines their "Microsoft loves Linux" PR campaign | Sep 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | which they spent a lot of money on | Sep 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | buying keynote positions with sponsorships and such... and kitschy buttons they hand out, journalists they greased up via their PR agency | Sep 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | my colleagues already heard of this story | Sep 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even tell them anything, so I guess it has spread beyond the US and it's now known about in the UK | Sep 21 12:50 |
| schestowitz | "well i saw a story you were mentioned in" -colleague | Sep 21 12:50 |
| schestowitz | "the laptops in the office are lenovo" | Sep 21 12:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know this, as I work from home | Sep 21 12:50 |
| razielle_tzu | i think it might be brought up to me by the other staff member at my computer club | Sep 21 12:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635210833272833 | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ditching Microsoft Office? Tips on how to switch to | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreOffice https://t.co/XnmFgmjZjw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ditching Microsoft Office? Tips on how to switch to LibreOffice | Tux Machines | Sep 21 12:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635211948961793 | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Out, Here's What's New https://t.co/uPPpqJfkSA | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out, Here's What's New | Tux Machines | Sep 21 12:51 | |
| schestowitz | just caught up with the 7 links above | Sep 21 12:53 |
| schestowitz | rianne might add these to tuxmachines, there's probably more to come. surprised that even bbc covers it | Sep 21 12:53 |
| razielle_tzu | i'm keeping an eye on a few news feeds too but their links have already been posted.. i'm just watching for updates | Sep 21 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo's damage control is weak | Sep 21 12:56 |
| schestowitz | defection | Sep 21 12:56 |
| schestowitz | not even denial | Sep 21 12:56 |
| schestowitz | can anyone find any more articles (not mentioned above)? | Sep 21 12:58 |
| razielle_tzu | so far no | Sep 21 12:58 |
| razielle_tzu | if i find anything i'll post it | Sep 21 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93792 | Sep 21 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | razielle_tzu: thanks | Sep 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | 8 in there, in addition to earlier coverage | Sep 21 13:02 |
| razielle_tzu | no problem, keeping an eye on the beeb news channel too | Sep 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | the more of them, the more pressure for Microsoft's lawyers to drop this NDA-hidden anti-Linux contract | Sep 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, these contracts are still secrets | Sep 21 13:03 |
| razielle_tzu | doubt it's gonna be mentioned on the bbc1 news update but it might get a mention in the tech update on bbc news | Sep 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | so Lenovo will try to blame some "rotten Apple" employees or Microsoft | Sep 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Although blaming Microsoft is risky for them | Sep 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | as Microsoft can start charging them more in retribution | Sep 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | reprisal | Sep 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | as DaemonFC said, they're shooting down their own cannon fodder staff | Sep 21 13:03 |
| schestowitz | scapegoating them to make both Lenovo and Microsoft look innocent | Sep 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | BBC was gonna write about EPO sending me threats | Sep 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | but then it spiked the story | Sep 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | for unknown reasons, I can only speculate about them | Sep 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Sep 21 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Sep 21 13:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | [–]from RobertNAdams sent 6 hours ago | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Good day, | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | My name is Robert N. Adams and I write for TechRaptor.net, a gaming, technology, and tabletop site. | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm working on a news piece relating to the issue you are experiencing with the Yoga 900 and would like to ask you a few questions regarding your experience to use in the article. | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you believe that the inability to install Linux due to a BIOS setting is a deliberate choice by Lenovo or do you believe that it is a side effect of unrelated design decisions in the BIOS? | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think the reasoning for these BIOs settings being in place is in the event that these BIOS settings were employed in the Yoga 900 at Microsoft's behest? | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you feel that BIOS settings of this nature ought to be disclosed more clearly prior to purchasing of a product? | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you have any further commentary on this matter? | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Anything you say may or may not be used as a portion of the news piece provided that I get a response from you in time. It also has to pass through editorial, and that means that your interview may be trimmed down for readability or cut entirely. The article itself may not go to press in a timely fashion or at all. It's unlikely, but it's a possibility that I want you to be aware of just in case things don't work out. | Sep 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | I can full well understand that you may be reluctant to comment on this issue. If you would prefer not to answer any questions or state anything off the record that would be fine. I would really appreciate a "no comment" reply or similar if you would prefer not to say anything. | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Regardless of your response, if the article goes to press it will indicate that I have reached out to you in this fashion. (It will state something like "We have reached out to the creator of the Reddit post.") Our editors are not yet awake, so I may also have follow-up questions in addition to these should you choose to respond and if we move forward with the article. | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Lastly, I will be reaching out to the companies involved and I'm currently engaged in researching this topic myself. I will be doing a bit more than simply copy/pasting the content of your post or anything like that. | Sep 21 13:16 |
| Tervy | did this come here already http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/21/12994362/allo-privacy-message-logs-google | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | You can view my body of work on the site here: | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://techraptor.net/content/author/radams | Sep 21 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google backs off on previously announced Allo privacy feature - The Verge | Sep 21 13:16 | |
| DaemonFC | If you would like to verify my identity independent of this Reddit account, you can e-mail me at RobertNAdams@techraptor.net or send me a tweet at @Robert_N_Adams and I'll reply. I'll be available for the next few hours. I hope to hear back from you. | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 13:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techraptor.net | Robert N. Adams, Author at TechRaptor | Sep 21 13:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Regards, | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Robert N. Adams | Sep 21 13:16 |
| schestowitz | well done getting the word out, DaemonFC | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkdeletereportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | [–]to RobertNAdams sent just now | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Hello Robert, | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll try to answer your questions in order here. | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that it was a deliberate design choice made by Lenovo, and I say that because the BIOS code that they use has AHCI mode available for the storage device, which Linux and Windows understand without any special drivers. Lenovo patched the code to remove the AHCI mode from the BIOS setup utility and then they wrote additional code to make sure that you can't set AHCI mode with an EFI variable using EFI shell. So, I'd say it's | Sep 21 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Tervy: not yet, thanks, will add it into our daily links in techrights | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | definitely deliberate, and can't see any LEGITIMATE reason why they would have. It isn't really faster, it makes recovering Windows from Microsoft's installer very difficult if you have to later. About the only thing putting a single SSD setup into RAID mode using the BIOS gives you is (a) Linux won't be able to use the storage and (b) greater potential for data loss. Also, given that the Lenovo employee said that they caused the issue to | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | "lock" the system to Windows per their agreement with Microsoft....Well, why wouldn't I believe them? Lenovo's official statement to the media has been "Unfortunately, [we] cannot confirm our relationship to the person at Best Buy.", and I find that odd because it said "Lenovo" on the signature of their reply. So they're throwing their employee under the bus. | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Microsoft and Lenovo agreed to lock Linux out, and forcing RAID mode accomplishes that. In the last 11 months, nobody except one Lenovo forum poster that used a modded BIOS and an external flasher to get around Lenovo's signature check on BIOS updates has managed to install Linux on the Yoga models affected by this. I believe that Lenovo and Microsoft figured that if Linux ever did get driver support for this configuration, | Sep 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | that it would be years after the product was released, so it might as well be forever. Most people replace their laptop every 5 years or less, so almost nobody would ever be able to run Linux on the Yoga laptops while in their designed service life. | Sep 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that if you're going to sell someone a general purpose computer where installing an operating system is going to be difficult or impossible, you should have to say that on the packaging or on the website description. | Sep 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I do have a further comment. | Sep 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully worded. They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples | Sep 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one | Sep 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 21 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | One site has them blaming Linux vendors | Sep 21 13:21 |
| schestowitz | for Linux being blocked | Sep 21 13:21 |
| schestowitz | which is of course laughable | Sep 21 13:21 |
| schestowitz | site having load issues | Sep 21 13:22 |
| schestowitz | which is weird, it doesn't look so severe from the back end | Sep 21 13:22 |
| schestowitz | test: http://techrights.org/2016/09/20/whitewashing-the-investigative-unit/ | Sep 21 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s ‘Investigative’ Function is Totally Out of Control and Continues to Get Bigger, Whitewashed by So-called ‘Review’ | Techrights | Sep 21 13:23 | |
| schestowitz | ok, better after the httpd restart | Sep 21 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | mysqld still screaming, maybe something malicious, need to check to be sure.. | Sep 21 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | lots of cracking attempts, about 3 per second | Sep 21 13:24 |
| schestowitz | which is a lot more than usual | Sep 21 13:24 |
| Tervy | origin ? | Sep 21 13:26 |
| schestowitz | varnish cache | Sep 21 13:30 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to look at the cache front end | Sep 21 13:30 |
| schestowitz | and then figure it out from varnishlog streams, which takes a lot of time | Sep 21 13:30 |
| schestowitz | I think the site should work fine again, I added some blocks | Sep 21 13:30 |
| razielle_tzu | it's working | Sep 21 13:30 |
| schestowitz | mysql using up 2-3 cores all the time | Sep 21 13:31 |
| schestowitz | varnish makes it complicated to add custom pages | Sep 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | over the past 20 minutes many people got error messages, nagios sent me lots of alerts | Sep 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | "guru meditation" is not as informative as "try again later" | Sep 21 13:33 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/halloween-feast | Sep 21 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Halloween Feast | Sep 21 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | banality | Sep 21 13:53 |
| MinceR | fatality | Sep 21 13:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out,...' | Sep 21 14:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656834903302148 | Sep 21 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On | Sep 21 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Its “Signature PCs” https://t.co/fTCZnuEd0n | Sep 21 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 14:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On Its “Signature PCs” | Tux Machines | Sep 21 14:07 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that too | Sep 21 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660093604814850 | Sep 21 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz yep! and UNIX | Sep 21 14:30 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660189075566592 | Sep 21 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz Lenovo is making shit and more shit in mobile also! | Sep 21 14:30 | |
| schestowitz | M Garrett has just defended Microsoft and Lenovo | Sep 21 14:30 |
| schestowitz | but that's exactly expected | Sep 21 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | also Microsoft boosters from IDG | Sep 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz | trying to blame "storage woes" | Sep 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz | pathetic | Sep 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz | anything to defend Microsoft | Sep 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz | as can be expected | Sep 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz | and those who want to believe might actually believe | Sep 21 14:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660514960384000 https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660793382477824 | Sep 21 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz if u try any other distro than debian based and some rpm on lenovo u will find MSDOS partition if u dont partition manually | Sep 21 14:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@schestowitz en EUFI re-enabled even if u disabled it before on vendor bios SOLUTION > LIBRE BOOT + DEBIAN | Sep 21 14:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861653 | Sep 21 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mozilla emits JavaScript debugger for Firefox and Chrome http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/20/mozilla_emits_javascript_debugger_for_firefox_and_chrome/ #mozilla #firefox | Sep 21 14:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Mozilla emits JavaScript debugger for Firefox and Chrome • The Register | Sep 21 14:37 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/09/introducing-debugger-html/ | Sep 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | debugger.html is a modern JavaScript debugger from Mozilla, built as a web application with React and Redux. | Sep 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | But React is under a free/libre license but with an exception for patents ! http://react-etc.net/entry/your-license-to-use-react-js-can-be-revoked-if-you-compete-with-facebook https://github.com/facebook/react/blob/master/PATENTS | Sep 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Introducing debugger.html ★ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog | Sep 21 14:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-react-etc.net | Your license to use React.js can be revoked if you compete with Facebook | React, etc. Tech Stack | Sep 21 14:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-react/PATENTS at master · facebook/react · GitHub | Sep 21 14:38 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder how much this patents stuff will in practice be used by Facebook to attack forks | Sep 21 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | AFAIK, it's not really FOSS because of restrictions facebook added to it | Sep 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | sneaky tactic | Sep 21 14:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778663488973602820 | Sep 21 14:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz UEFI, sorry f mistyping, wrote fast | Sep 21 14:40 | |
| MinceR | http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/09-SEP/MAD-Magazine-Trump-Skittles_57e14f78459c88.92792698.jpg | Sep 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 14:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 14:42 | |
| schestowitz | "sad news for a longtime thinkpad user… : (" | Sep 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | "Sad indeed. My idea pad was the first laptop I was puroud of.' | Sep 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | The Thinkpad T500 is one of the best free software laptop and now they are trying to block the system. | Sep 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Why? Wtf | Sep 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 14:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 14:42 | |
| schestowitz | IBM wouldn't have done this. | Sep 21 14:42 |
| MinceR | oh yes they would | Sep 21 14:42 |
| MinceR | they helped m$ to power, and now they're promoting crApple | Sep 21 14:43 |
| MinceR | fuck ibm | Sep 21 14:43 |
| MinceR | but use protection | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | IBM is dangerous | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | they're too smart for that | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | they'd sue companies with swpats | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | lobby for swpats | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | and maybe even liaise with enemies of Linux | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | but what Lenovo does to UNIX and Linux people is dumb | Sep 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM would have enough people in there to forewarn | Sep 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | and I guess other OEMs now watch what happens to Lenovo and say internally, "we must not accept this agreement from Microsoft" | Sep 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Sad…Lenovo Thinkpads was the best laptops to use with Gnu/Linux…" | Sep 21 14:45 |
| schestowitz | "Ok, Is it possible that the same machines sold in Europe to not have the same locked BIOS ? http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-transform-windows-pc-windows-signature-pc" | Sep 21 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 14:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalcitizen.life | How to Transform a Windows PC Into a Microsoft Signature PC | Sep 21 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | Either way, Lenovo demonstrate bad faith and UNIX/Linux people need to punish Lenovo for it (also for servers/mobile, they bought IBM's units) | Sep 21 14:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861056 | Sep 21 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo malware, spying and various other recent scandals (now locking/shutting #gnu #linux out) serve to remind us to boycott Lenovo. | Sep 21 14:46 | |
| schestowitz | "Okay." | Sep 21 14:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7855907 | Sep 21 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Discord at #Libreboot Over #GNU Withdrawal http://fossforce.com/2016/09/discord-at-libreboot-over-gnu-withdrawal/ "lead developer who is out-of-control." | Sep 21 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | "Ugh! Wow…" | Sep 21 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7853336 | Sep 21 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dissent against #Libreboot developer Leah Rowe http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html #fsf #freesw | Sep 21 14:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> zammit.org | Libreboot screwup | Sep 21 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | "Leah Rowe is wrong" | Sep 21 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I guess this news got buried by now, partly because of the bootgate of Lenovo | Sep 21 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://cup.efl.com/# | Sep 21 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ http://cup.efl.com/# ) | Sep 21 14:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Will Manchester City retain the EFL Cup in 2016/17?" | Sep 21 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know they had taken it... | Sep 21 14:50 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 21 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blogisch/status/778668896018726912 | Sep 21 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blogisch: @schestowitz more on https://t.co/DmvR3gMR3D | Sep 21 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: seen several more articles by now | Sep 21 15:02 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I posted on Lenovo's forum again... | Sep 21 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I like how he admits he doesn't know for sure and then speculates that it may be related to power management. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | But then he insists that it's not Lenovo trying to lock out other operating systems. How does he know? | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Even if the device would get worse battery life (which we don't know that it would, and nobody who booted up Linux on the ISK model or Live on the ISK2 reported their laptop "melting"), it should be up to the user. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | He says that if his hunch is right, it's a cheap hack to work around lousy power management in the default Windows storage driver, and Lenovo probably did it to prevent a user from ending up toggling it in the BIOS setup program by mistake and ending up with Windows not booting, or lousy power management if it did. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | If it was to prevent a clueless user from ending up in that situation where Windows wouldn't boot if they toggled it to AHCI mode, then why did Lenovo write code to make sure that if you used an EFI variable to set it, that it would switch it back to RAID? Is a user that doesn't know what they're doing likely to be in the EFI shell? | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Do we know Linux has lousy power management like Windows does? I don't think we know that at this point. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if we could install Linux and test the hypothesis out, but unfortunately, *someone* made sure that we can't install Linux and see. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully constructed. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:04 | |
| DaemonFC | And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 15:05 | |
| DaemonFC | But if you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 15:05 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-19 | Sep 21 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hire Agile Programmers - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-19 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 21 15:10 | |
| MinceR | 21 204334 < schestowitz> but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 15:10 |
| MinceR | shilling for crApple is an "anti-Linux thing" | Sep 21 15:10 |
| schestowitz | not directly | Sep 21 15:12 |
| schestowitz | they made an "enterprise" liaison | Sep 21 15:12 |
| MinceR | one that was completely unnecessary | Sep 21 15:13 |
| MinceR | and one that doesn't help ibm in any way | Sep 21 15:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Agile" buzzword | Sep 21 15:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: my wife saw that earlier | Sep 21 15:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 15:15 |
| schestowitz | she liked the first comment | Sep 21 15:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: is it a meaningful one? | Sep 21 15:15 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 21 15:15 |
| schestowitz | dunno? | Sep 21 15:16 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 21 15:16 |
| schestowitz | the PHBs keep coming up with stupid words | Sep 21 15:16 |
| schestowitz | turns out they're either synonyms or some business school terms | Sep 21 15:17 |
| schestowitz | I guess if they're agile, they'll fall more quickly out the window... or something | Sep 21 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schestowitz." | Sep 21 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776estowitz." | Sep 21 15:39 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 21 15:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776 | Sep 21 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #x86 should in general be shunned and phased out, over time, for it contains back doors (ME) since 2009 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences | Sep 21 15:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights | Sep 21 15:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656839697301504 | Sep 21 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 15:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 15:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 15:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 15:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 15:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 15:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 15:44 | |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <DaemonFC> Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 15:45 |
| schestowitz | The replies are better than the post | Sep 21 15:45 |
| schestowitz | see the first one for example | Sep 21 15:45 |
| MinceR | strange, he was capable of recognizing how IPMI sucked | Sep 21 16:05 |
| MinceR | but not how uefi and this RAID-(-1) sucks | Sep 21 16:05 |
| schestowitz | convenient excuses for those who need excuses, I guess | Sep 21 16:08 |
| schestowitz | helps obfuscate even further what's in the deal behind NDA and why these choices were made | Sep 21 16:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawid_wiktor/status/778687966625476608 | Sep 21 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawid_wiktor: @schestowitz If someone want to fork it to save the project - Inspire is ready to help: https://t.co/ljIxXuTEbS | Sep 21 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to help out with a libreboot fork | Sep 21 16:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/alpha | Sep 21 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Alpha | Sep 21 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | 'oops' | Sep 21 16:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681156212359168 | Sep 21 16:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Sep 21 16:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Zrld6o6XC1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 16:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 16:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Tux Machines | Sep 21 16:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681155050573824 | Sep 21 16:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 21 16:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zMdjAGFWEU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 16:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 16:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Tux Machines | Sep 21 16:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 16:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 16:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 16:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 16:44 | |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/your-husband | Sep 21 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Your Husband | Sep 21 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think you use irssi | Sep 21 16:55 |
| MinceR | i do | Sep 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | security fix? | Sep 21 16:55 |
| MinceR | can't | Sep 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | under wear?! | Sep 21 16:56 |
| MinceR | oh, my version isn't vulnerable anyway | Sep 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | famous last words and all.. | Sep 21 17:04 |
| MinceR | >Irssi 0.8.17 and later | Sep 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I've just upgraded 3 servers | Sep 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Debian | Sep 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | (for GE) | Sep 21 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7872236 | Sep 21 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the media doesn't make a big stink over #microsoft and #lenovo blocking #gnu #linux we ( #techrights ) will | Sep 21 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | "it is a big stink and a sad day for all the thinkpad linux users and free choices in general" | Sep 21 17:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | "They also sell servers, so this can hurt them badly. Geeks control what servers get bought." | Sep 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 17:29 | |
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| MinceR | does anyone know what this "may be downloaded and installed automatically" thing is, exactly? >> http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/android-7.0-nougat-update-840x560.jpg | Sep 21 18:13 |
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| dblaber | wah | Sep 21 19:08 |
| razielle_tzu | wah? | Sep 21 19:08 |
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| dblaber | so the new non evil microsoft popping its head i guess? | Sep 21 19:11 |
| cubexyz | nothing non about it | Sep 21 19:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Sep 21 19:14 |
| cubexyz | the history of stealing computer time predates Microsoft itself | Sep 21 19:15 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 21 19:15 |
| MinceR | there was a non-evil microsoft? when did the real microsoft sue them for trademark infringement? | Sep 21 19:17 |
| cubexyz | and I sure can remember Microsoft asking manufacturers to make ACPI harder for Linux to implement | Sep 21 19:18 |
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| cubexyz | IBM invented SMB protocol and Microsoft made CIFS | Sep 21 19:19 |
| MinceR | m$ rebranded their version of SMB as CIFS | Sep 21 19:20 |
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| cubexyz | M$ made their own DNS thing I think | Sep 21 19:22 |
| dblaber | WINS? | Sep 21 19:23 |
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| cubexyz | yeah for NetBIOS | Sep 21 19:25 |
| cubexyz | oh and Lenovo is full of it regarding the BIOS problem | Sep 21 19:27 |
| cubexyz | the fact that the older version worked... | Sep 21 19:28 |
| cubexyz | and putting a SSD Raid on a laptop? | Sep 21 19:31 |
| cubexyz | really? :) | Sep 21 19:31 |
| cubexyz | yeah I usually run RAIDs when I'm carrying my laptop around | Sep 21 19:32 |
| cubexyz | don't buy the Yoga 900 ISK2 | Sep 21 19:34 |
| cubexyz | if you can find the older one then fine | Sep 21 19:34 |
| dblaber | i liked lenovo until i started reading this today | Sep 21 19:34 |
| dblaber | love their thinkpads | Sep 21 19:34 |
| cubexyz | a RAID with one SSD | Sep 21 19:35 |
| MinceR | really, an SSD "RAID" that consists of a single "disk" | Sep 21 19:36 |
| MinceR | it's a redundant array because making an "array" of one disk is really redundant | Sep 21 19:36 |
| cubexyz | I'd say go HP | Sep 21 19:37 |
| cubexyz | I've had pretty good experiences with HP laptops | Sep 21 19:37 |
| razielle_tzu | i've had good experiences with both hp and toshiba | Sep 21 19:38 |
| cubexyz | it took me 4 years before I got the HP 4470C scanner working under Linux | Sep 21 19:41 |
| cubexyz | so now I check things a lot more carefully | Sep 21 19:42 |
| cubexyz | and Toshiba said they were going to stop making consumer laptops | Sep 21 19:42 |
| razielle_tzu | pity | Sep 21 19:43 |
| cubexyz | yes, which means no more Toshiba chromebooks either | Sep 21 19:43 |
| cubexyz | they'll still sell to the corporate market though | Sep 21 19:44 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Sep 21 19:44 |
| MinceR | i've been told scary things about HP | Sep 21 19:45 |
| MinceR | and i've heard of a toshiba laptop with a crappy hinge | Sep 21 19:46 |
| MinceR | i'm wary of hinges since the hinge broke itself on my first laptop | Sep 21 19:46 |
| MinceR | what's HP's and Toshiba's track record on GNU/Linux support? | Sep 21 19:46 |
| cubexyz | I still own a HP NX9030 and it works great | Sep 21 19:48 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit old though | Sep 21 19:48 |
| cubexyz | Toshiba made chromebooks... at least up to 2016 | Sep 21 19:49 |
| cubexyz | HP ended a lot of their non-Windows developer support programs back in Aug 2001 | Sep 21 19:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html | Sep 21 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-on-laptops.com | Linux on Toshiba Laptops & Notebooks | Sep 21 19:52 | |
| cubexyz | I'd say Toshiba wasn't actively hostile to Linux | Sep 21 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | they're not | Sep 21 19:53 |
| MinceR | is that site still being updated? | Sep 21 19:53 |
| cubexyz | I think anyone can submit entries | Sep 21 19:54 |
| cubexyz | slackware 13 is mentioned :) | Sep 21 19:55 |
| cubexyz | I guess that's around 2009 era | Sep 21 19:55 |
| cubexyz | I think Stallman uses an older Thinkpad, a Lenovo (!) X200 | Sep 21 20:05 |
| cubexyz | so you can't just say Lenovo == BAD | Sep 21 20:05 |
| MinceR | i use an X220i Tablet | Sep 21 20:05 |
| MinceR | (also lenovo) | Sep 21 20:05 |
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| cubexyz | so you're happy with it? | Sep 21 20:06 |
| MinceR | mostly | Sep 21 20:06 |
| MinceR | i'm thinking of upgrading to an X260 once i have the money | Sep 21 20:06 |
| MinceR | but lenovo's behavior lately is making me question this plan | Sep 21 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | 00:20] <MinceR> m$ rebranded their version of SMB as CIFS | Sep 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we published documents about it | Sep 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | around 8 years ago | Sep 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | very details antitrust petition | Sep 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | from ECIS or something | Sep 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/marywallace07/status/778710104136781824 | Sep 21 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@marywallace07: @schestowitz @ClancyKieran @FOSSpatents @technology It's long past time O'Brien was picked on! | Sep 21 20:37 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jimmersecoolish/status/778763499614920704 | Sep 21 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jimmersecoolish: @schestowitz the greens have been utterly failing to "try to build" an alternative for at least 20 years now. absolutely a wasted vote. | Sep 21 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | Untrue, given the difficult political climate which suppresses third parties | Sep 21 21:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/778763740078628864 | Sep 21 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Both groups founded on theft https://t.co/xrkTwIQsSx | Sep 21 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Russia has oligarchs, we’re told, but US has “job creators” https://t.co/mRvyVjeAZ3 | Sep 21 21:15 | |
| cubexyz | ha, the lenovo brouhaha has spilled over into slashdot | Sep 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | cool. | Sep 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | url? | Sep 21 21:23 |
| cubexyz | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1838252/lenovo-denies-claims-it-plotted-with-microsoft-to-block-linux-installs | Sep 21 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Lenovo Denies Claims It Plotted With Microsoft To Block Linux Installs - Slashdot | Sep 21 21:23 | |
| cubexyz | Having a legacy compatibility mode, but making it inaccessible without a soldering iron? That's just malice." | Sep 21 21:23 |
| MinceR | and you can bet it voids the warranty | Sep 21 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681153901383689 | Sep 21 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency | Sep 21 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (IDR) https://t.co/OCtmcSFc1p (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency (IDR) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768384746029056 | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Out, Here's What's New https://t.co/rwJEj2Mshh | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out, Here's What's New | Sep 21 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768588010360832 | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (IDR) https://t.co/sYhObB7ttm (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency (IDR) - Tizen Experts | Sep 21 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768719984128004 | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jgUdXt9Yot (hackerboards.com) | Sep 21 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 21 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: PC World are even worse than this | Sep 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | just installing Linux apparently voids the warranty | Sep 21 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768887370420224 | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dd2zkzGTlh (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon - Tizen Experts | Sep 21 21:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778770448842711041 | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Surprise! Microsoft Isn’t Blocking Linux on Lenovo | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Laptops https://t.co/9Zh2V9bint (fossforce.com) | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Surprise! Microsoft Isn't Blocking Linux on Lenovo Laptops | FOSS Force | Sep 21 21:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778772522904985600 | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fatal Theory, a retro inspired beat 'em up now on Linux, | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | some thoughts included https://t.co/Cp2vAv8Fpd | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 21 21:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fatal Theory, a retro inspired beat 'em up now on Linux, some thoughts included | GamingOnLinux | Sep 21 21:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778772693684551682 | Sep 21 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Man O' War: Corsair - Warhammer Naval Battles looks like | Sep 21 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | it's now planned to come to Linux https://t.co/4990z1JtAp | Sep 21 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 21 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Man O' War: Corsair - Warhammer Naval Battles looks like it's now planned to come to Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 21 21:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778773040427655168 | Sep 21 21:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MATE 1.16 Desktop Environment Officially Released with | Sep 21 21:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | More GTK+ 3 Improvements https://t.co/U2R5jJ1wRX | Sep 21 21:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 21:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MATE 1.16 Desktop Environment Officially Released with More GTK+ 3 Improvements | Sep 21 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778773445400260608 | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "looks like the initial information from Lenovo was | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | incorrect that it's likely not an intentional Linux | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | block." https://t.co/kFydstVodw (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Reportedly Requires "Signature PCs" To Be Locked To Only Running Windows - Phoronix | Sep 21 21:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778774566143455236 | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zombie Night Terror, the really fun Lemmings style Zombie | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | game is now out for Linux https://t.co/TJhTFiOUOk | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 21 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zombie Night Terror, the really fun Lemmings style Zombie game is now out for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 21 21:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778774730371457024 | Sep 21 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Classic Flash game 'The Majesty of Colors' is being | Sep 21 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | remastered and will release on Linux | Sep 21 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5RgNcPUsyL (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 21 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Classic Flash game 'The Majesty of Colors' is being remastered and will release on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 21 21:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @jfoxdev favourited 'Zombie Night Terror, the really fun Lemmings style...' | Sep 21 21:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778775592149868544 | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | APT 1.3 Released For Debian Linux Distributions | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gjCjqi7wRg (packages.qa.debian.org) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dNeuD6NOkI (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0XRHFA9gjV (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt/news/20160920T221945Z.html ) | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-APT 1.3 Released For Debian Linux Distributions - Phoronix | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | APT 1.3 Linux Package Manager Has Been Officially Released in Debian Unstable | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778776250026455040 | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IBM Forges More OpenStack Ties with Canonical and Red Hat | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eDDQVnmgxU (ostatic.com) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| dblaber | whats going on there? | Sep 21 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | IBM Forges More OpenStack Ties with Canonical and Red Hat | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778777257879928833 | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hands-on with the quad-core ARM9 Roseapple Pi hacker SBC | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8oxrXHXOcI (hackerboards.com) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Hands-on with the quad-core ARM9 Roseapple Pi hacker SBC | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | dblaber: where? | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778778346318692352 | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 Released: the Future is Now | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kUxc440Jwc (www.gnome.org) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3DLuGURx9e (mail.gnome.org) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hXgbNcM6ii (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 21 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org | GNOME 3.22 Released: the Future is Now – GNOME | Sep 21 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2016-September/msg00043.html ) | Sep 21 22:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNOME 3.22 Officially Released - Phoronix | Sep 21 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | The channel? Syndicates Linux news from my site | Sep 21 22:11 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @argumento_ retweeted @tuxmachines: 'GNOME 3.22 Released: the Future is Now https://t.co/kUxc440Jwc...' | Sep 21 22:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778779204309712896 | Sep 21 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) Is Now Officially Powered by | Sep 21 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 4.8 https://t.co/d4VI9dkmaT | Sep 21 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 22:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) Is Now Officially Powered by Linux Kernel 4.8 | Sep 21 22:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778779544883003392 | Sep 21 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) Final Beta Freeze Now in | Sep 21 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effect, Lands September 22 https://t.co/9xHMi9084O | Sep 21 22:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The Android version of Lenovo's funky Yoga Book | Sep 21 23:01 |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3436016#M8353 | Sep 21 23:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 22 - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 23:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 21 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 21 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 07:46 PM - edited 09-21-2016 08:24 PM | Sep 21 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo just issued a press release praising Windows 10. Windows 10 is so unstable on the Yoga 900 that updates freeze (I had to get the offline update package for the last cumulative update because it kept stalling out at 45%), the Bluetooth glitches all the time and says to restart the computer because you paired your headphones, and I've had lots of other weird problems with Windows 10. I doubt any OS could be more annoying. Microsoft | Sep 21 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Edge playing Spotify bloats the tab up to 2,200 MB of RAM... | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | The funniest part was they said that flipping it into tablet mode might not work right in Linux. Tablet mode is a gimmick because these things are just too heavy to use in that mode. They're easily three times heavier than an Android tablet and so that mode isn't incredibly useful. I wouldn't care if it didn't work because I never use that mode anyway. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | And multi-touch support in Ubuntu is pretty good, so I think Lenovo is just making things up at this point. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 08:34 PM | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the thing is, that in Andy_Lenovo's comment about not wanting customers to complain in the store, which is outdated, he forgot another thing that used to be true. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | The customer is _always_ right. If your customer wants to run Linux on their computer, then there shouldn't be artificial barriers constructed and excuses made. It should be able to go into a mode where Linux works. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Other Ultrabook makers had the forced RAID mode that stopped Linux installs, and Dell, for example, removed it when people screamed about it. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Look, Lenovo, I would have loved to give this thing a better review. The hardware is nice. Looking at a HiDPI display makes you never want to go back to anything less. I like the computer. I don't particularly like Windows 10. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | I've been using PCs since the 1980s. I got my first one when I was five, and Windows 10 is one of my least favorite operating systems ever. When Windows Vista came along and it ran poorly on my laptop, I didn't have to return the laptop to the store because I installed Linux and I used Linux for close to a decade. Not a single Windows machine in the house. I'm just wondering why I can't do the same thing here. If other people think Windows | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | 10 is good, then they have every right to keep using it. It should be a choice. | Sep 21 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:39 | |
| DaemonFC | Freedom doesn't flow from the barrel of a gun, and what you're doing right now is quietly breaking Linux and slipping it in as an upgrade to a computer (Yoga 900) whose original model made it sound like a fantastic Linux machine, then playing gotcha games with users who are stuck on Windows 10. An operating system that still doesn't work right, coming with components (like Microsoft Edge) that still feel like beta quality software three | Sep 21 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | major releases later. | Sep 21 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:39 | |
| DaemonFC | So maybe instead of saying your customers should just shut up, you should learn to better serve your customers. | Sep 21 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:39 | |
| DaemonFC | It would be so easy that you could have done it effortlessly, just by not removing a storage mode that the code of your BIOS supported. It's easier to do the right thing than to perpetually make empty excuses. I hope you come to agree. | Sep 21 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778793551534563328 | Sep 21 23:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OpenDaylight Introduces 'Boron' SDN Platform Release | Sep 21 23:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | OpenDaylight Rolls Out 'Boron' SDN Platform Release | Sep 21 23:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3435853#M8348 | Sep 21 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 21 - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 23:43 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Regarding Matthew Garrett being on the FSF board. | Sep 21 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 21 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 21 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 01:37 PM - edited 09-21-2016 01:37 PM | Sep 21 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | The FSF hasn't been as careful in selecting their board members as they should have been on several occasions, including when they let Miguel de Icaza in, who ran a company trying to get Microsoft technologies into Linux in ways that are legally dangerous to use. A covenant not to sue is not a patent license. Anyway, Xamarin is now owned by Microsoft, and so look where that went. | Sep 21 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:43 | |
| DaemonFC | I obviously am concerned about the FSFs decisions sometimes, but they are free to appoint whoever they want, including Microsoft boosters. | Sep 21 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3435836#M8345 | Sep 21 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 21 - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 23:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 21 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 21 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 01:20 PM - edited 09-21-2016 01:24 PM | Sep 21 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | According to Matthew Garrett, putting it in RAID forces it to bypass the Windows driver which has horrible power management functionality and load Intel's driver instead. So if that's the case, Lenovo is hacking around a problem with Windows power management. He blames Intel and says that they won't even tell Microsoft how power management works. I find that hard to believe considering that most Intel hardware is extensively documented. | Sep 21 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | They even have a dedicated open source team writing Linux graphics drivers that don't make you install flakey proprietary crap like some graphics card companies. We all know the one I speak of, but I don't want to say the name and risk provoking moderators. | Sep 21 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I doubt that Microsoft couldn't get the documents for power management from Intel. They're in a position to demand anything they want. | Sep 21 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 23:46 | |
| DaemonFC | So I respectfully disagree with Mr. Garrett about this being a power management issue, primarily. If people want to sacrifice battery life, that's their business, if in fact that is an issue with Linux. I welcome people who can run Linux to compare the runtime on a battery charge in Linux to the runtime on Windows. I would be very interested in those numbers so we're dealing with a known fact. But I'd like to run Linux even if I lose a few | Sep 21 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | minutes from my ten hour charge. It would not affect Windows users because they would still default to RAID. | Sep 21 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | from bmullan via /r/linux sent 3 hours ago | Sep 21 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | I looked up the Leno Yoga 900... and as far as I can find it can ONLY have 1 drive... so what kind of RAID only uses 1 drive ???? | Sep 21 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (1313)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 21 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's a fake RAID set up to bypass a Windows storage driver with horrible power management issues, at least according to Matthew Garrett. I'm sorry that people so high up in the FSF and the Linux world can be so defeatist in their thinking. | Sep 21 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | In a way, having to listen to "It's our fault for not supporting RAID mode on a system that shouldn't be in RAID mode." or some version of it every time a PC OEM does something bonehead stupid or evil is like listening to a battered woman explain to the police why it's not her abusive boyfriend's fault that he got drunk and bashed her head into the wall. | Sep 21 23:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | GNOME 3.22 Official Release Video Uploaded to YouTube - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 22 00:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | GNOME 3.22 Released, This Is What's New - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 22 00:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778801970148544512 | Sep 22 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Wants Your Opinion On Scopes and Colors | Sep 22 00:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Got 5 Minutes? Ubuntu Wants Your Opinion On Something… - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 22 00:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778804245101318144 | Sep 22 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues | Sep 22 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | non-denial denial https://t.co/jyrRch46F5 | Sep 22 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winbeta.org) | Sep 22 00:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 00:10 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, In the meantime, I suggested going into the BIOS and flipping Intel VT-x support back on (Lenovo disabled it) so Linux guests in a virtual machine would run better. :P | Sep 22 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | [–]from RabRob sent 9 hours ago | Sep 22 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | BBC news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37431299 | Sep 22 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkdeletereportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | [–]to RabRob sent just now | Sep 22 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | I did like the BBC's handling of the article. I appreciated that they mentioned the fact that Ubuntu is more efficient and reliable than Windows. I'm sure that burned more than a few Microsoft Tech Evangelists. | Sep 22 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Lenovo's Signature laptops refuse to install Linux - BBC News | Sep 22 00:21 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: lots more articles | Sep 22 00:41 |
| schestowitz | I annotated a few in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93811 | Sep 22 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In a world of free operating systems, can Windows 10 survive? | Tux Machines | Sep 22 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | I can see about 30 articles | Sep 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | some are trying in Microsoft's and Lenovo's lies | Sep 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | typically from Microsoft's Paul T | Sep 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | and fools who repeat it | Sep 22 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Swapnil too repeated it, I guess he's still insistent on being a pawn of Microsoft, since years back... | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | don't forget AMI gets part of the blame too | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | I'm guessing it's an AMI bios | Sep 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | they chose it | Sep 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | they could make better choices | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | definitely | Sep 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | but were probably uninterested | Sep 22 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, According to my estimates, we've brought this to the attention of at least 100,000 people, maybe more. | Sep 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | this was pointed out in the comments on M Garrett's posy | Sep 22 00:43 |
| schestowitz | *posy | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | >post | Sep 22 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Just the ones who clicked through to the Lenovo forum thread amount to about 68,000 | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, over a million | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | In reddit alone it would be over 100,000 | Sep 22 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah? | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | For sure | Sep 22 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Whoa. | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | some just read the headline and move on | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | without clicking | Sep 22 00:44 |
| schestowitz | reddit's front page is seen by millions | Sep 22 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | So even people who don't know what it all means know Lenovo has done something rotten. | Sep 22 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Might look into it some more. | Sep 22 00:45 |
| cubexyz | AMI is indeed a crappy choice... closed source, built with microsoft tools, it's hard to imagine anything worse | Sep 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | it was obvbious excuses would come | Sep 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | see what I wrote in Twitter about it | Sep 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/with_replies scroll down to stuff with "lenovo" in it, you'll see | Sep 22 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tweets with replies by Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz) | Twitter | Sep 22 00:45 | |
| schestowitz | I knew they'd make up excuses and lies | Sep 22 00:45 |
| schestowitz | And I was right, I thought of how they'd spin it while I was in the sauna, and I was mostly right, they shift blame to hardware | Sep 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Remember how you exposed Foxconn with their crappy code? | Sep 22 00:46 |
| cubexyz | if you search google for lenovo news a "can't run linux" link is number 1 :) | Sep 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Was that in Digg? | Sep 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Ubuntu Forums.. | Sep 22 00:46 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: good, so that's what they'd be stigmatised for | Sep 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | other OEMs would capitalise on it | Sep 22 00:47 |
| schestowitz | and maybe advertise openly, we support free OSes | Sep 22 00:47 |
| cubexyz | I grabbed some comments about Foxconn from slashdot around 2008 | Sep 22 00:48 |
| cubexyz | making ACPI not work on Linux, or at least making it a lot harder to implement | Sep 22 00:48 |
| cubexyz | it all goes back to datasheets though | Sep 22 00:49 |
| cubexyz | if you have the datasheets for the chips, it's just a matter of time before Linux/BSD people write the necessary code to use those chips | Sep 22 00:50 |
| cubexyz | sometimes it takes years | Sep 22 00:50 |
| cubexyz | RealTek chip RTS8891 comes to mind... | Sep 22 00:52 |
| cubexyz | it had to be reverse engineered | Sep 22 00:52 |
| cubexyz | Realtek didn't give out any info about that chip | Sep 22 00:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: mostly geeks read about this | Sep 22 00:54 |
| schestowitz | which is what you want | Sep 22 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo sells servers | Sep 22 00:54 |
| schestowitz | and geeks decide which one/s | Sep 22 00:54 |
| schestowitz | When I write about patents I don't write to a big audience, but you just need the relevant audience, the one you seek to influence, like patent attorneys, examiners, etc. | Sep 22 00:55 |
| schestowitz | If you want mass exposure (to a billion+ people), write about sports, gossip, celebs (Brad+Angelina now)... much broader reach, but useless crap. Like selling sex... | Sep 22 00:56 |
| schestowitz | same goes for languages. If you write in Danish, then your audience is already very much limited, even on an internationally-accessible WWW | Sep 22 00:56 |
| cubexyz | basically the RTS8891 was cracked by intercepting USB messages to the scanner | Sep 22 00:56 |
| cubexyz | so always a way to make it work, but it's a slow and painful process | Sep 22 00:57 |
| schestowitz | My colleagues heard of the Lenovo scandal today and told me about it, said they saw me mentioned (without me telling them)... and it was a US scandal, not a EU/UK scandal, so the word has spread pretty far, DaemonFC | Sep 22 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 22 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo_Yoga | Sep 22 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Lenovo Yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 22 01:01 | |
| DaemonFC | On September 21, 2016, Lenovo confirmed that their Yoga series is not meant to be compatible with Linux operating systems, that they know it is impossible to install Linux on some models, and that it is not supported. [1] This came in the wake of media coverage of problems that users were having while trying to install Ubuntu on several Yoga models, including the 900 ISK2, 900 ISK For Business, 900S, and 710, which were traced back to | Sep 22 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo intentionally disabling and removing support for the AHCI storage mode for the device's Solid State Drive in the computer's BIOS, in favor of a RAID mode that is only supported by Windows 10 drivers that come with the system.[2][3][4][5] | Sep 22 01:01 |
| cubexyz | not impossible, merely very difficult | Sep 22 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | I added that to Wikipedia. | Sep 22 01:01 |
| schestowitz | OK, they might try to add [6] and so on to Microsoft-friendly sources | Sep 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz | and their non-denying denial.. | Sep 22 01:03 |
| cubexyz | https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-900-BIOS-Unlock-AHCI-enable-attached-BIOS-fd | Sep 22 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | [Request] Lenovo Yoga 900 BIOS Unlock / AHCI enable (attached BIOS fd) | Sep 22 01:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial" http://www.winbeta.org/news/lenovo-responds-to-linux-blocking-issue-issues-non-denial-denial | Sep 22 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 01:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:06 PM | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | What I understood from the post was the hinge is the problem, so funny! Smiley Happy) | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Referring to hinge every other line, doesn't make an excuse! There is a touch screen and wether it turns or not is a mechanical matter not computer! | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC | When you are responding to a forum that users are looking for linux, it means most of them have more than usual interaction with computer, so first of all when we install linux we know there could be some driver issues and we would manage it ourselves, you can simply say you don't support linux, so you won't answer any questions about linux. "Our Yoga design requires very specific, complex and unique drivers that require even greater | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | amounts of testing" could be super magical for typical users, but for us it could be just our job! We are not in old times that a software bug could break the hardware, there are some protection in hardware. Also as you see many people run the Linux on extra flash disk which uses every resource other than hard disk. And the one who hacked the bios fully utilized it. So don't be over "sympathetic" for us not to run into problems. | Sep 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC | "Beyond the controller setup limitation, other advanced capabilities of the Yoga design would likely not work with current Linux offerings." First of all "would likely not" is the most untechnical terms I've heard for a long time! And as mentioned above, we know the problems and even many already have run it. You are saying you can either use all the features (which with windows bugs it is actually not a sure thing), or you can't use it at | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | all. | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Right now I have even doubt if someone wants to upgrade from windows 10 home to pro, he can do it easily or not. And if this signiture edition is a windows edition, what if someone buys his standalone windows license? due to this BIOS problem still they can't get those features even though their windows is not signiture. | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | To sum up don't pretend you solved the problem, this wording does not work for this forum. | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | M | Sep 22 01:12 |
| cubexyz | except it's not true :) | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | I replied: | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 01:12 |
| cubexyz | one guy got Fedora running on it | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:11 PM | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Which is why I tagged it "Notsolved" and "Snowjob"... So if anyone comes looking for a perfect example of a snow job, they'll find it. | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/snow_job | Sep 22 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | snow job - Wiktionary | Sep 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Noun | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | snow job (plural snow jobs) | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | (idiomatic) An attempt to persuade a person using flattery or deception. | Sep 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | How? | Sep 22 01:12 |
| cubexyz | Bownario from bios mods did it | Sep 22 01:14 |
| cubexyz | he had to make special hard made clips, and solder the chip to wires then reprogrammed the chip | Sep 22 01:15 |
| cubexyz | https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-900-BIOS-Unlock-AHCI-enable-attached-BIOS-fd?page=5 | Sep 22 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | [Request] Lenovo Yoga 900 BIOS Unlock / AHCI enable (attached BIOS fd) | Sep 22 01:16 | |
| cubexyz | you would have to become a member of the forum to download the bios he modded | Sep 22 01:17 |
| cubexyz | s/hard/hand/ | Sep 22 01:17 |
| cubexyz | it's not a good situation at all | Sep 22 01:18 |
| cubexyz | in the 'old days' I'd just pop the bios out of the socket, but naturally the Yoga's bios isn't socketed | Sep 22 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | TheChuckster | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Punch Card | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | TheChuckster | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Posts: 32 | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Registered: 06-30-2012 | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Location: US | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Message 223 of 224 (6 Views) | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:18 PM | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | "We have used a storage controller mode that is unfortunately not supported by Linux and as a result, does not allow Linux to be installed." | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Except, that storage controller IS supported by Linux in AHCI mode. People in this very thread have already confirmed this! | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | "In order that others are able to find this statement easier, when searching, I am marking this post as the solution." | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ctrl-Alt-Del | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Posts: 42 | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Registered: 09-07-2016 | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Location: US | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Message 224 of 224 (2 Views) | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:19 PM - edited 09-21-2016 10:20 PM | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | They're giving us the full Superfish. | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Lying through their teeth until they can't lie anymore, and then *maybe* we get a patch. | Sep 22 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 01:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Even Comical Ali, our friendly Lenovo mod must know that what he is posting. | Sep 22 01:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RuiSeabra/status/778677431892705280 | Sep 22 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RuiSeabra: Though not on the same side, it was a pleasure to exchange a couple of words with @timberners_lee who took the time… https://t.co/akFsCOXx5E | Sep 22 01:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RuiSeabra: Though not on the same side, it was a pleasure to exchange a couple of words with @timberners_lee who took the time… https://t.co/akFsCOXx5E | Sep 22 01:23 | |
| cubexyz | the Lenovo people you're talking to might not be too knowledgeable about the BIOS internals | Sep 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | [06:22] <DaemonFC> They're giving us the full Superfish. | Sep 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | [06:22] <DaemonFC> | Sep 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | [06:22] <DaemonFC> Lying through their teeth until they can't lie anymore, and then *maybe* we get a patch. | Sep 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | true | Sep 22 01:24 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: the smart ones are probably somewhere in Beijing | Sep 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | these people are sales reps | Sep 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | they have a Lenovo US CEO/Pres, I think, seen something like that recently | Sep 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | they operate just on a marketing basisw | Sep 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | all the production is in the far east | Sep 22 01:25 |
| schestowitz | it's their job in the US just to sell these to stores, which then sell to downstream clients | Sep 22 01:26 |
| schestowitz | so I doubt they know anything technical about what they say, unless it says it on the box printed somewhere like Shenzhen before being shipped en masse in Hapag-LLoyd containers | Sep 22 01:27 |
| cubexyz | AMI is based in GA (Georgia USA I think) | Sep 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | but they don't make the chips there | Sep 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like Bourns | Sep 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | US companies whose whole operation is somewhere like Taiwan | Sep 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | sometimes even the designs, not just the production | Sep 22 01:27 |
| cubexyz | Alan Lin sounds Taiwanese, so you have a good point :) | Sep 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I think ARM actually manufactures some stuff here, but it's sold to Japan's economy/stimulus now | Sep 22 01:28 |
| cubexyz | grepped for names out of the code I have | Sep 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Lin is a common surname in Taiwan | Sep 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Look up Wikipedia for surname distributions | Sep 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | just 6 or so names in these places would probably cover like 60% of people | Sep 22 01:29 |
| schestowitz | in Vietnam around 60% of people, IIRC, have the same surname | Sep 22 01:29 |
| cubexyz | Jeff Chang is another one | Sep 22 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Korean has lots of Koh, Parks, Yu | Sep 22 01:29 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: anyway, the point is, the Lenovo forum people aren't asian | Sep 22 01:29 |
| schestowitz | they're a sales department | Sep 22 01:29 |
| schestowitz | and i think they're liaising with some disaster management experts now | Sep 22 01:30 |
| cubexyz | right | Sep 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | so they just say what lets them get articles (udpated) or [Updated] | Sep 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | to rewrite the record | Sep 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | and they contact the journalists to plant their face-saving lies | Sep 22 01:30 |
| cubexyz | you do know that Stallman's Thinkpad is a Lenovo right? :) | Sep 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | it's pretty bad because it's actually effective, if not TRULY costly | Sep 22 01:30 |
| schestowitz | but when you try to sell a million of these "Yogas" there's like 400 million bucks at stake | Sep 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | yes, RMS moved to something else though | Sep 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | he now uses Lemote | Sep 22 01:31 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Sep 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | I think he still does | Sep 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | It's a Chinese board | Sep 22 01:31 |
| cubexyz | well, maybe he likes the PMON bios better then | Sep 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz | he uses a GUI too | Sep 22 01:32 |
| schestowitz | not all the time | Sep 22 01:32 |
| schestowitz | we used his PC together, to browse techrights | Sep 22 01:32 |
| schestowitz | he uses gtk-based applications | Sep 22 01:32 |
| cubexyz | do you know any good way to BUY one though? | Sep 22 01:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe Alibaba or something | Sep 22 01:33 |
| schestowitz | maybe. | Sep 22 01:33 |
| schestowitz | not that i'd give them a visa debit card details | Sep 22 01:33 |
| schestowitz | they have a bad reputation here in Chinatown, best to pay with cash | Sep 22 01:34 |
| cubexyz | amazon has a link but it always says "Currently unavailable" | Sep 22 01:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe lack of demand in their target markets | Sep 22 01:34 |
| schestowitz | email rms to ask him where he got his | Sep 22 01:34 |
| cubexyz | aliexpress.com $109.50 US | Sep 22 01:35 |
| cubexyz | "no longer available" | Sep 22 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Which is why I call the Lenovo moderator Comical Ali. | Sep 22 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | I hope people Google that and read about the Iraqi Information Minister. | Sep 22 01:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/778834822387105793 | Sep 22 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @infoworld all in csharp! | Sep 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/778834270261547008 | Sep 22 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation @DarkReading LinuxFoundation should oppose those heavy charges, this is insane. | Sep 22 01:57 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 22 01:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778786293576794115 | Sep 22 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #OpenMandriva Lx 3.0 https://t.co/Tr5ooZBLUL #mandriva #gnu #linux | Sep 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi | Sep 22 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Sep 22 02:00 | |
| cubexyz | oh another bad thing about Lenovo... there's an embedded whitelist FRU inside the BIOS | Sep 22 02:01 |
| cubexyz | it was hacked of course | Sep 22 02:01 |
| cubexyz | your Mini PCI-E card not on the list? It won't work | Sep 22 02:03 |
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| cubexyz | it won't even boot up | Sep 22 02:04 |
| cubexyz | and you can't mod it without a soldering iron | Sep 22 02:06 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 22 02:09 |
| cubexyz | so did you get the Sun? | Sep 22 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: hmm? | Sep 22 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: oh the computer | Sep 22 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | not the sun as in the sun light | Sep 22 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes indeed got the computer and hte mouse nad keyboard and some other things | Sep 22 02:21 |
| cubexyz | oh good | Sep 22 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | not done anything proper with any of that yet though! | Sep 22 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | not even had the sun on yet | Sep 22 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | connected etc | Sep 22 02:22 |
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| sebsebseb | cubexyz: h eh I haven't even had a cheap Android hone on properly yet | Sep 22 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: been nearly a week since I opended up the box and figured out how to get into thecase | Sep 22 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | well I been doing things etc so | Sep 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874537 | Sep 22 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardly surprised that a #microsoft and #uefi apologist wrote this http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html see techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ #lenovo #gnu #linux | Sep 22 02:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 22 02:28 | |
| schestowitz | gn, it's 7:30am | Sep 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | "" | Sep 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | "They have a near infinite cash sink, they can make anyone write anything. They underestimate us." [Lenovo]] | Sep 22 02:28 |
| cubexyz | I'm pretty much 100% convinced to stay away from Lenovo Yoga... unless it's an older one | Sep 22 02:30 |
| cubexyz | the more I learn about it the worse it seems | Sep 22 02:30 |
| cubexyz | even the teardowns look bad | Sep 22 02:31 |
| cubexyz | the one to get for Linux peeps is 13ISK... not the 13ISK2 | Sep 22 02:33 |
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| DaemonFC | I just finished etracting the intel rapid storage driver. I can make a Windows installer stick that sees the SSD now at least, so I don't have to pay Lenovo to reinstall Windows for me if I need that later. | Sep 22 03:21 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]cbmuser 2 points 2 hours ago | Sep 22 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | The power management is done in the driver in this case. And since Intel does not disclose how to set up power management properly with these new disk controllers, Linux cannot do proper power management on this hardware, even in AHCI mode. | Sep 22 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | Power management support is a per-device feature. | Sep 22 03:27 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 46 minutes ago | Sep 22 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | I guess treating it as a "device" works, until you consider that this isn't like Android at all. This is x86 Windows where you are bound to run into malware or Windows hanging itself eventually and will NEED to recover from installation media, only thanks to Lenovo, that may be difficult. This is even if the user doesn't care about Linux at all. | Sep 22 03:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/ #Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 05:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T5KOlOPoU6 (ostatic.com) liars. | Sep 22 05:38 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778893783991717888 | Sep 22 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@schestowitz saying that MSFT loves GNU LINUX is just BS. It is like to say that the State loves the Citizen! Pure BULLSHIT @satyanadella | Sep 22 05:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778893502600142848 | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2017 https://t.co/r0W2RBqjlS (www.redhat.com) | Sep 22 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year 2017 | Sep 22 06:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901759372636160 | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eR4ac5z7G5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Tux Machines | Sep 22 06:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901760437911552 | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True Love...and Microsoft Love https://t.co/snctVK6cgX | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | True Love...and Microsoft Love | Tux Machines | Sep 22 06:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901761809485825 | Sep 22 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME/GTK News https://t.co/wnQgLTC4Il | Sep 22 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME/GTK News | Tux Machines | Sep 22 06:20 | |
| cubexyz | just discovered this little gem: | Sep 22 06:35 |
| cubexyz | http://flburn.sourceforge.net/ | Sep 22 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flburn.sourceforge.net | Free | CD DVD burning software for Linux | Sep 22 06:35 | |
| cubexyz | no man page though, boooo | Sep 22 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901762992332800 | Sep 22 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Openwashing Proprietary Software https://t.co/ea8th0CVXJ | Sep 22 07:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing Proprietary Software | Tux Machines | Sep 22 07:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901764007337984 | Sep 22 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Andy Wingo on CML versus Go https://t.co/59pK4MVq22 | Sep 22 07:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Andy Wingo on CML versus Go | Tux Machines | Sep 22 07:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778910032180158465 | Sep 22 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo Accused Of Locking Linux Out Of Certain Laptops At | Sep 22 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Request https://t.co/p3M9HGOeEh | Sep 22 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techdirt.com) | Sep 22 07:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo Accused Of Locking Linux Out Of Certain Laptops At Microsoft's Request | Techdirt | Sep 22 07:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7875835 | Sep 22 07:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wipo is trying to lecture us about "respecting" IP http://www.ip-watch.org/2016/09/21/first-revised-articles-of-potential-treaty-protecting-tk-at-wipo-issued-today/ see how it 'respects' its own staff and the law http://techrights.org/2016/02/24/wipo-attacks-on-whistleblowing/ | Sep 22 07:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ip-watch.org | First Revised Articles Of Potential Treaty Protecting TK At WIPO Issued Today | Sep 22 07:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | The Joint Subcommittee Hearing on the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s Vicious Attacks on Whistleblowers | Techrights | Sep 22 07:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 | Sep 22 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/RQwsXT0yVV (techrights.org) | Sep 22 07:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat’s Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 Released | Techrights | Sep 22 07:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778925407689146368 | Sep 22 08:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 | Sep 22 08:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Released https://t.co/RQwsXT0yVV (techrights.org) | Sep 22 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | afetrnoon, MinceR | Sep 22 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778940455350403072 | Sep 22 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dominate the world in strategy game 'Agenda', now on | Sep 22 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, here's my review https://t.co/1KoqRb2qWg | Sep 22 09:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dominate the world in strategy game 'Agenda', now on Linux, here's my review | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944357294497792 | Sep 22 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla Says Goodbye to Firefox Hello in Firefox 49 | Sep 22 09:09 |
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| MinceR | hay schestowitz | Sep 22 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Says Goodbye to Firefox Hello in Firefox 49 | Tux Machines | Sep 22 09:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944358527610881 | Sep 22 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Ubuntu https://t.co/qmmUxxisv9 | Sep 22 09:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Sep 22 09:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944361081937920 | Sep 22 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News and Results | Sep 22 09:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News and Results | Tux Machines | Sep 22 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shamanseki/status/778948031248990208 | Sep 22 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: A robot detained by police at a political rally in Moscow - authorities attempting to handcuff the machine. Get the… https://t.co/N5nEZ19itR | Sep 22 09:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: A robot detained by police at a political rally in Moscow - authorities attempting to handcuff the machine. Get the… https://t.co/N5nEZ19itR | Sep 22 09:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SanhoTree/status/778951251518160896 | Sep 22 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SanhoTree: @shamanseki @schestowitz But everybody knows that's where the rebel alliance always hides their secret maps! | Sep 22 09:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shamanseki/status/778952014843740160 | Sep 22 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: @SanhoTree @schestowitz OK - arrest the girl as well - she knows something! | Sep 22 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874652 | Sep 22 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial http://www.winbeta.org/news/lenovo-responds-to-linux-blocking-issue-issues-non-denial-denial | Sep 22 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 22 10:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that Lenovo’s official reply is insufficient and carefully worded. They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don’t support Linux on many of their own laptops. Actions speak louder than words, and there’s no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn’t be great Linux machines. I also think that locking down the thread and | Sep 22 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being “disruptive” was uncalled for, and they’re obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I’m at fault for what they did. And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these | Sep 22 10:21 |
| schestowitz | laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses.” | Sep 22 10:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that [the BIOS RAID lock] was a deliberate design choice made by Lenovo, and I say that because the BIOS code that they use has AHCI mode available for the storage device, which Linux and Windows understand without any special drivers. Lenovo patched the code to remove the AHCI mode from the BIOS setup utility and then they wrote additional code to make sure that you can’t set AHCI mode with an EFI variable using EFI shell. So, | Sep 22 10:21 |
| schestowitz | I’d say it’s definitely deliberate, and can’t see any LEGITIMATE reason why they would have. It isn’t really faster, it makes recovering Windows from Microsoft’s installer very difficult if you have to later. About the only thing putting a single SSD setup into RAID mode using the BIOS gives you is (a) Linux won’t be able to use the storage and (b) greater potential for data loss.” | Sep 22 10:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that Microsoft and Lenovo agreed to lock Linux out, and forcing RAID mode accomplishes that. In the last 11 months, nobody except one Lenovo forum poster that used a modded BIOS and an external flasher to get around Lenovo’s signature check on BIOS updates has managed to install Linux on the Yoga models affected by this. I believe that Lenovo and Microsoft figured that if Linux ever did get driver support for this configuration, | Sep 22 10:21 |
| schestowitz | that it would be years after the product was released, so it might as well be forever. Most people replace their laptop every 5 years or less, so almost nobody would ever be able to run Linux on the Yoga laptops while in their designed service life.” | Sep 22 10:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/xAXjQ9CmE8 | Sep 22 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 22 10:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944364642902016 | Sep 22 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/XLLEhpkG8K | Sep 22 10:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 22 10:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778970089945178112 | Sep 22 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Alexa-enabled CoWatch hits the market today | Sep 22 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/higkSO9knC (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 22 10:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | The Alexa-enabled CoWatch hits the market today - Android Authority | Sep 22 10:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | How to install Android on a PC https://t.co/ExRq9U3ept | Sep 22 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidpit.com) | Sep 22 11:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install Android on a PC - AndroidPIT | Sep 22 11:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778970932358606848 | Sep 22 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LeEco Pro 3 formally announced, powered by Snapdragon 821 | Sep 22 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NdRdQyyd1i (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 22 11:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | LeEco Pro 3 formally announced, powered by Snapdragon 821 - Android Authority | Sep 22 11:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778971244624539655 | Sep 22 11:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-powered BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition unit | Sep 22 11:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | up for grabs https://t.co/l8fSJA4J2t (www.gsmarena.com) | Sep 22 11:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android-powered BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition unit up for grabs - GSMArena.com news | Sep 22 11:16 | |
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| MinceR | http://nsanamegenerator.com/ | Sep 22 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nsanamegenerator.com | NSA Name Generator | Sep 22 11:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778976072398434304 | Sep 22 12:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Amazon India now offering the Samsung Z2 SM-Z200F Online | Sep 22 12:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jXHSaRM7oH (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 22 12:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Amazon India now offering the Samsung Z2 SM-Z200F Online - Tizen Experts | Sep 22 12:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778979530086187008 | Sep 22 12:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Jumps 6% on FYQ2 Earnings Beat; Raises Year | Sep 22 12:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Outlook https://t.co/l0FCHPlUfP (blogs.barrons.com) | Sep 22 12:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.barrons.com | Red Hat Jumps 6% on FYQ2 Earnings Beat; Raises Year Outlook - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com | Sep 22 12:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778987731649228800 | Sep 22 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SDL2's Mir Backend Sees Some Updates | Sep 22 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gN5vzuaxbm (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 22 12:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SDL2's Mir Backend Sees Some Updates - Phoronix | Sep 22 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: oh, I get it... | Sep 22 12:06 |
| schestowitz | some gchq names are worse | Sep 22 12:06 |
| schestowitz | like smurfs and their names | Sep 22 12:06 |
| schestowitz | for phone back doors | Sep 22 12:06 |
| schestowitz | and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ) | Sep 22 12:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/gchq-intercepted-emails-journalists-ny-times-bbc-guardian-le-monde-reuters-nbc-washington-post | Sep 22 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optic Nerve (GCHQ) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 22 12:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | GCHQ captured emails of journalists from top international media | UK news | The Guardian | Sep 22 12:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden | Sep 22 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ | UK news | The Guardian | Sep 22 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | maybe we could get some kind of US stimulus here for the poor and disabled | Sep 22 12:07 |
| schestowitz | not to spy on them | Sep 22 12:07 |
| razielle_tzu | not gonna happen | Sep 22 12:07 |
| razielle_tzu | it's spying or nothing | Sep 22 12:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/778990179403128840 | Sep 22 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What ? I thought Hello was doing fine... | Sep 22 12:12 | |
| schestowitz | hello to news :-) | Sep 22 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/778990561135042560 | Sep 22 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What r they gonna do ? Change it for what ? | Sep 22 12:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778988141558505473 | Sep 22 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management | Sep 22 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XMTEQzs9wU (opensource.com) | Sep 22 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 13:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management | Opensource.com | Sep 22 13:02 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @_alfalco favourited 'A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management...' | Sep 22 13:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779003019195248640 | Sep 22 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a Second | Sep 22 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta with KDE Plasma 5.8 https://t.co/chgyc8xN9T | Sep 22 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 22 13:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a Second Beta with KDE Plasma 5.8 | Sep 22 13:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a...' | Sep 22 13:41 | |
| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/151 | Sep 22 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | The Next Great Stoic Competition - Existential Comics | Sep 22 14:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779012747942035457 | Sep 22 14:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun will release | Sep 22 14:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | December 6th with Linux support https://t.co/tkuclLjAQB | Sep 22 14:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 22 14:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun will release December 6th with Linux support | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 14:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021970251784192 | Sep 22 14:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/G2aPs17T4r | Sep 22 14:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021971270930432 | Sep 22 14:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Vista 10 Under Attack From Media, UNIX/Linux Under Attack | Sep 22 14:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Microsoft https://t.co/OUqPupVhvh | Sep 22 14:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vista 10 Under Attack From Media, UNIX/Linux Under Attack From Microsoft | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:18 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: so much text | Sep 22 14:37 |
| schestowitz | can't find the punchline | Sep 22 14:37 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-20 | Sep 22 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cubicle Near Thermostat - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-20 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 22 14:38 | |
| MinceR | it's at the end | Sep 22 14:38 |
| MinceR | also, there's a handy "Didn't get the joke?" button :> | Sep 22 14:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sah1987/status/779028065007570944 | Sep 22 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sah1987: @schestowitz But you trust Alan Duncan? | Sep 22 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | What he says aligns with my theory all along; not too far-fetched and maybe he has an inside knowledge | Sep 22 14:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sah1987/status/779029028778942464 | Sep 22 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sah1987: @schestowitz It is quite plausible, but Duncan himself was said to have declared Remain because he couldn't lead Vote Leave. | Sep 22 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/779031282445590528 | Sep 22 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I've been following them for decades. MSFT is not the anti-Linux company I knew. | Sep 22 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | But they're still attacking, just more covertly. I have an article about more lawsuits tonight... | Sep 22 14:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/osmanafc/status/779032346003734528 | Sep 22 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osmanafc: @schestowitz really I wanted out and got https://t.co/L2WOrjKjOy about visa free travel.for turkey or a eu army all lies were they ? | Sep 22 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | Brexit.. Boris lied | Sep 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | turns out he wanted remain | Sep 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | but tried to use it as a stunt to become out PM after London Mayor | Sep 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sunick51/status/779034569488097280 | Sep 22 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sunick51: @schestowitz You're complaining because a politician is dishonest? What about the hundreds of others in Westminster? | Sep 22 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jedichaz/status/779036018754412544 | Sep 22 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jedichaz: Against the backdrop of a widening transatlantic cultural rift at least the culture of politics is up (or down) to… https://t.co/2aOU5vqVDH | Sep 22 15:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jedichaz: Against the backdrop of a widening transatlantic cultural rift at least the culture of politics is up (or down) to… https://t.co/2aOU5vqVDH | Sep 22 15:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/779037800964452352 | Sep 22 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I look forward to seeing it. | Sep 22 15:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021972407660545 | Sep 22 15:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dronecode’s Craig Elder speaks about open-source software | Sep 22 15:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dronecode’s Craig Elder speaks about open-source software for drones | Tux Machines | Sep 22 15:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News After Latest Results | Sep 22 15:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News After Latest Results | Tux Machines | Sep 22 15:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've been writing on Lenovo's forums some more. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Since Lenovo's attack on Linux also impedes setting up Windows from a Microsoft ISO if you ever need to, I worked last night on creating a slipstreamed installer that inludes their Rapid Storage driver so that Windows setup can see the SSD and install to it. I also bundled updated drivers straight from Intel. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo and Microsoft apparently see "Signature PCs" as a device (like a tablet or a phone with carrier locks), not a real computer, and as such, they have provided no easy way to restore the operating system in the event of a catastrophe that breaks "reset this PC" or makes the system unable to boot in the first place. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Unlike an Android phone, which has a fairly decent design and a usable software store where Google can all-but-eliminate the possibility of there being malware, Windows 10 is an operating system tha steeped in decades of half-baked Windows code, horrible backwards compatibility garbage, and Microsoft hacks, and is 31 flavors of unreliable (including update installations getting stuck and unable to install and bad updates that cause boot | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | loops and system freezing, and it is completely riddled with bugs. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | The Windows Store has so few decent applications, you can count them on your fingers. So you install most of your software the traditional way of grabbing some EXE off of the internet, and it doesn't look like that will change soon. So you can't treat these things like a device. And I wonder how many people will end up having to ship their laptop back to Lenovo to get Windows reinstalled. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Okay, so they have Windows Defender and SmartScreen. That's....something, at least. More than earlier Windows had, but we must remember that several pieces of malware have dodged all major virus scanners (including the ones people pay money for) for years, being completely undetected. Does anyone think that these people aren't testing Windows Defender? The Hacking Team leak showed internal documents including a checklist of antivirus | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | programs that they were successfully evading during internal tests. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | When the BBC covered this Lenovo scandal yesterday, I appreciate that they took some extra time to mention that Ubuntu is faster and more efficient than Windows, with better reliability. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Shame that Lenovo won't let us run it. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | System76 released a statement on Twitter yesterday. | Sep 22 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Unlike #Lenovo, we do not have "Microsoft Signature PCs" and not only can you install #Linux on our machines, it comes preinstalled. Smiley Wink | Sep 22 15:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | I fixed up some typos. | Sep 22 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Their Lenovo keyboard makes it difficult to avoid. | Sep 22 15:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046084404469764 | Sep 22 16:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | How Long Do Android and iPhone Owners Keep Their Phones? | Sep 22 16:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Long Do Android and iPhone Owners Keep Their Phones? -- The Motley Fool | Sep 22 16:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046104004456448 | Sep 22 16:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | WebKitGTK+ 2.14 and the Web Engines Hackfest | Sep 22 16:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.kov.eti.br | WebKitGTK+ 2.14 and the Web Engines Hackfest | Gustavo Noronha (kov) | Sep 22 16:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046558432169986 | Sep 22 16:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Google Pixel, the Android promise fulfilled, at | Sep 22 16:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | last! https://t.co/1pHWZKrqs2 (www.slashgear.com) | Sep 22 16:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With Google Pixel, the Android promise fulfilled, at last! - SlashGear | Sep 22 16:01 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I edited to add this... | Sep 22 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Just comparing storage requirements and the optimal amount of installed RAM for each OS, Windows 10 needs approximately 700% more storage space and 200% more RAM than Ubuntu. Some people like to say that Windows 10 is efficient, yet it would require even more space if Microsoft hadn't deployed file compression on much of the Windows folder. | Sep 22 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | After the part about the BBC talking about Ubuntu. | Sep 22 16:02 |
| MinceR | and even ubuntu is extremely bloated | Sep 22 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I made another post. | Sep 22 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Installing Linux to a flash drive to use it with the Lenovo Yoga is unacceptable. | Sep 22 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 16:06 | |
| DaemonFC | A 512 GB NVMe SSD on Amazon will still set you back by about $350, so using Linux from a flash drive on this computer means that Lenovo has reduced the value of your machine by hundreds of dollars, and USB drives operating over USB 3 are nowhere near as fast as the SSD. | Sep 22 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 16:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo and Microsoft know that, which is why they disabled access to this very valuable component if you try to run Linux. | Sep 22 16:06 |
| MinceR | well, yeah | Sep 22 16:07 |
| MinceR | if it only precluded booting from the internal device, that would be usable for me | Sep 22 16:07 |
| MinceR | i use FDE anyway | Sep 22 16:07 |
| MinceR | and i'm planning to boot from a removable device to do it | Sep 22 16:07 |
| MinceR | my FDE skill wasn't high enough to do it when i installed my laptop | Sep 22 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Added... | Sep 22 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | And if some Very Smart People ever figure out a way to make the SSD visible again, I would STRONGLY advise never upgrading the laptop's firmware again, lest they find something else to break. | Sep 22 16:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 22 16:08 |
| MinceR | hopefully they won't dare pull shit like this on models marketed to businesses | Sep 22 16:09 |
| MinceR | i doubt that a megacorporate client would like very much when told "no, you can't just deploy your corporate-wide standard images on these laptops" | Sep 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | Edited that.... | Sep 22 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | and then tell us "Oops. Better run Windows 10 so you can use our 360 degree hinge! Have we told you about our 360 hinge?". | Sep 22 16:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779048503586742272 | Sep 22 16:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Red Hat project looks a lot like a Docker fork | Sep 22 16:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DTrqfWozEC (www.infoworld.com) | Sep 22 16:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Red Hat project looks a lot like a Docker fork | InfoWorld | Sep 22 16:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779049035642568709 | Sep 22 16:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat’s stock price and employee headcount are rising | Sep 22 16:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsobserver.com | Raleigh-based Red Hat boosts employment; shares rise too | News & Observer | Sep 22 16:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | BaronHK 2 points 16 minutes ago* | Sep 22 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo is a crappy company that actually wrote code enforcing the fake RAID mode by stripping the AHCI mode out of the GUI and then making sure that if you go into EFI Shell and set it yourself that it discards your setting and sets it back. First PC maker I've seen that ships computers that you can't even realistically (for the average user) reinstall Windows on. I will never buy another Lenovo computer again. I had to spend about an hour | Sep 22 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | googling random support topics before I found a recommendation to use Universal Extractor. Then I had to find a beta version of Universal Extractor that supported the archive format in the setup program just to dig the Intel RST driver out of their godawful installer so that I can slipstream it into a Windows installer. | Sep 22 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Most people will have to pay to ship it back to Lenovo if Windows needs to be reinstalled, and be unable to use the computer for weeks, and it'll probably have some sensitive, confidential, work-related information on the SSD that someone at Lenovo could copy and steal while it's in their repair center. | Sep 22 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo is a Chinese company and the Chinese steal American Intellectual Property all the time. Chinese spies even stole top secret attack helicopter engine designs complete with the software from the US government. | Sep 22 17:55 |
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| MinceR | >Intellectual Property | Sep 22 18:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lyn/5684705739.html | Sep 22 18:06 |
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| DaemonFC | from bmullan via /r/linux sent 11 hours ago | Sep 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Just curious... do you work for Microsoft? | Sep 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Asking because of the way you phrased your response... | Sep 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | having to listen to "It's our fault for not supporting RAID mode on a system that shouldn't be in RAID mode." or some version of it every time a PC OEM does something bonehead stupid or evil | Sep 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (1349)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about Matthew Garrett's position, and the overall tendency of Linux developers to fall on their sword every time some PC OEM does something nasty. It's not the fault of Linux that it can't install on the SSD in the Yoga laptops. It's the fault of Lenovo for removing AHCI mode, which would have let it install. | Sep 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that Garrett is on the FSF board just shows that they don't always make the best decisions. Like that time they put Miguel de Icaza on the board while he was trying to introduce Microsoft tech that was legally dangerous to use into Linux distributions. Microsoft never issued a patent license for things like Mono. They issued a covenant not to sue. They have sold patents off at auction to patent trolls that proceeded to sue Free | Sep 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | Software before, and at one point there were patents describing OpenGL that just happened to get snapped up by a company that donated them to the Open Innovation Network. A consortium that protects Free Software. | Sep 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I edited that... | Sep 22 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's not that I don't think he's unqualified to work on the Linux kernel and other software. I just think that his positions on Free Software and apologizing for Microsoft constantly means that he undermines the FSF's mission. | Sep 22 18:15 |
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| DaemonFC | from bmullan via /r/linux sent 11 hours ago | Sep 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | so then the question is... if that's true... WHY NOT FIX "the Windows Storage Driver with horrible power management issues" ??? | Sep 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | That explanation still appears disingenuous from that aspect. | Sep 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (1349)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Because Microsoft doesn't care, and as long as you need proprietary drivers, it gives Lenovo cover for requiring Windows to work in that mode. Makes the Linux lockout seem like bugs or lack of driver support when the configuration shouldn't have ever existed in the first place. | Sep 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Re: After Lenovo abandoned Linux, best replacement? | Sep 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | 09-22-2016 03:23 PM | Sep 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of people seem to be returning 710s. The Best Buy open box laptop table at Skokie is full of 710s. | Sep 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 18:23 | |
| DaemonFC | I doubt they all wanted to run Linux, but I hear that the laptops have quality issues in other ways, such as the touchpad "peeling". | Sep 22 18:23 |
| MinceR | >The fact that Garrett is on the FSF board just shows that they don't always make the best decisions. | Sep 22 18:27 |
| MinceR | like when they endorsed systemd | Sep 22 18:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779063850247282689 | Sep 22 18:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 22/9/2016: Linux Professional Institute Redesign, | Sep 22 18:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Red Hat Upgraded https://t.co/nknAJZU2KE (techrights.org) | Sep 22 18:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 22/9/2016: Linux Professional Institute Redesign, Red Hat Upgraded | Techrights | Sep 22 18:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/779089381915238400 | Sep 22 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz related to #ShockDoctrine … fosters the environment for it | Sep 22 18:46 | |
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| MinceR | http://vo.fod4.com/v/b2fc974d1d/v640-q2.webm (sauce: http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/hillary_clinton_powers_bizarre_interview_zach_galifianakis_20160922 ) | Sep 22 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hillary Clinton Powers Through Bizarre Interview with Zach Galifianakis - Truthdig | Sep 22 19:07 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: As expected, #lenovo and #microsoft now change their story and engage in #revisionism - typical PR tactic | Sep 22 19:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like with Superfish | Sep 22 19:23 |
| schestowitz | until they get caught too deep in the lie | Sep 22 19:23 |
| schestowitz | they changed the story | Sep 22 19:23 |
| schestowitz | and demanded the revisionist version of the story from writers | Sep 22 19:24 |
| cubexyz | it's crappy design too | Sep 22 19:27 |
| cubexyz | re: Yoga | Sep 22 19:27 |
| cubexyz | modding the BIOS is too difficult | Sep 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93848 | Sep 22 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 22 19:31 | |
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| cubexyz | updated the foss-matrix: | Sep 22 19:40 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txt | Sep 22 19:40 |
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| cubexyz | I don't like the way hardware is going in general these days | Sep 22 19:43 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the chromebooks you can't upgrade the SSD for it | Sep 22 19:45 |
| MinceR | me neither | Sep 22 19:45 |
| cubexyz | Acer C720 and Toshbia Chromebook 2 are the exceptions | Sep 22 19:45 |
| MinceR | i also don't like the way software is going | Sep 22 19:46 |
| cubexyz | https://www.starryhope.com/chromebooks/top/chromebooks-with-upgradeable-storage/ | Sep 22 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.starryhope.com | Chromebooks with Upgradeable Storage | Sep 22 19:46 | |
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| cubexyz | and people wonder why I use older computers | Sep 22 19:49 |
| cubexyz | 2001 and before computers had less integration | Sep 22 19:58 |
| cubexyz | go back to the late 1990s and there was no sound card or ethernet port on the motherboard | Sep 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I updated the Reddit post. | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | My response regarding Microsoft and Lenovo's effective joint statement: Microsoft and Lenovo got together and agreed on the lies that they would tell in response to this. The lie is that it's a driver problem. That Linux just doesn't support the fake RAID mode that they forced the storage into when they deliberately sabotaged the BIOS by writing new code to hid AHCI mode and also code to reset the BIOS to their fake RAID mode if the user | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | used EFI Shell to try setting it to AHCI. Let me make my position clear, that Lenovo is lying through their teeth just like they did with Superfish malware incident. They lied until they couldn't lie anymore. If, by some chance, some Very Smart People ever figure out a way to make the SSD visible again, I would STRONGLY advise never upgrading the laptop's firmware again, lest Microsoft and Lenovo find something else to break and then tell | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | us "Oops. Better run Windows 10 so you can use our 360 degree hinge! Have we told you about our 360 hinge?". | Sep 22 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 22 20:00 | |
| DaemonFC | I believe that if Linux ever gains driver support for the forced fake RAID configuration, that future laptops from Lenovo will just toggle something else so Linux doesn't work on them for a while. | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I would strongly advise avoiding the Yoga 910 and Yoga Book when they come out until we find out whether they broke those models as well. | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Even if your intent is to never run Linux, Lenovo is the first PC maker I've seen that ships computers that you can't even realistically (for the average user) reinstall Windows on. I will never buy another Lenovo computer again and I will advise others to avoid them whenever the chance arises. I had to spend about an hour googling random support topics before I found a recommendation to use Universal Extractor to get their Windows storage | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | driver to use in a Windows installation thumb drive. Then I had to find a beta version of Universal Extractor that supported the archive format in the setup program just to dig the Intel RST driver out of their godawful installer so that I can slipstream it into a Windows installer. | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Most people will have to pay to ship it back to Lenovo if Windows needs to be reinstalled, and will be unable to use the computer for weeks, and it'll probably have some sensitive, confidential, work-related information on the SSD that someone at Lenovo could copy and steal while it's in their repair center. | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Their arrogant forum moderator "Andy_Lenovo" posted Lenovo's ridiculous press release to their forum and then marked it as solved. The only part of it that is true is that Linux will likely never be able to install on Yoga laptops, because they are "designed for Windows 10", which in my experience has been unstable and full of bugs (like updates stalling out requiring manual installation from offline packages, telling me to reboot everytime | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I pair my bluetooth headphones, etc.). Unfortunately, in addition to Lenovo and Microsoft's lies, Matthew Garrett wrote some more horsefeathers when he blamed Linux for not supporting a storage mode that shouldn't even be in use anyway. He apparently has a long record of apologizing for Microsoft and misleading people, and it's a shame that he's in the FSF. Of course, the FSF has put some other people in high places that have proceeded to | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | undermine their mission in the past, like Miguel de Icaza. | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe it's true that you need "special drivers" to make Windows run, but Microsoft doesn't care. It breaks Linux on Lenovo laptops and then makes it look like the problem is in Linux, when it's actually in Microsoft's storage driver and Microsoft is undoubtedly leaning on Intel to keep the way the RST driver does power management a secret. | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | To make sure that you don't accidentally buy a Signature Edition computer, on the demo model, click the start (Windows logo) button, click "about your PC", and under Windows 10 it will say "Signature Edition" if it's part of this program. Also, make sure you try installing Linux before the return period expires. If the Linux installer in Live mode can't see your SSD, stop. Unplug the thumb drive, turn the computer off, and I would recommend | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | that you return it. Just tell the store that you decided that you didn't need it or something. It's true.. Nobody needs this kind of aggravation. | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | END of my response to Lenovo and Microsoft. | Sep 22 20:01 |
| cubexyz | that model definitely goes on the "don't buy" list | Sep 22 20:04 |
| MinceR | yup | Sep 22 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | I added: (You do not need to ask for my permission to repost this response in its entirety anywhere else, in hard copy, or on a website.) | Sep 22 20:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 22 20:10 |
| schestowitz | they indeed are doing what they did with superfish | Sep 22 20:10 |
| schestowitz | and hope the lies will work | Sep 22 20:10 |
| MinceR | did they work before? | Sep 22 20:10 |
| schestowitz | until it won't work and just pile up more negative publicity | Sep 22 20:10 |
| schestowitz | keep track of the lies and count them | Sep 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe some heads are rolling | Sep 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | so they're spending a lot of money on damage control 'expertts' | Sep 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | and harassing journalists to 'correct' or, based on what I saw, issue new stories | Sep 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | revisionism | Sep 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | UC Davis style | Sep 22 20:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS in the Back End | Tux Machines | Sep 22 20:13 | |
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| cubexyz | another heads up: new thinkpads have intel boot guard with SHA256 public keys baked into the southbridge chipset | Sep 22 20:14 |
| cubexyz | it's a similar problem...with intel boot guard you can't mod the UEFI firmware | Sep 22 20:14 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How cool is that. I got to use the word horsefeathers. :) | Sep 22 20:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm copying and pasting my replies to the comments sections on the news articles. | Sep 22 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I wonder what kind of response that will get. | Sep 22 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | I went through steps to identify a Signature Edition computer using the display model and then recommended booting into Linux as soon as you get it home, and if it can't see the SSD, take it back to the store and tell them you didn't need it. | Sep 22 20:35 |
| MinceR | and of course the reddit moderator is shilling for m$ as hard as they can | Sep 22 20:47 |
| MinceR | another sign of reddit not being worth using | Sep 22 20:47 |
| MinceR | >To support our Yoga products and our industry-leading 360-hinge design in the best way possible we have used a storage controller mode | Sep 22 20:51 |
| MinceR | and this is just pathetic | Sep 22 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftEdge/comments/4p16bg/microsoft_trashes_chromes_battery_life/d7y5has?context=3 | Sep 22 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Microsoft trashes Chrome's battery life | Sep 22 20:52 | |
| DaemonFC | –]BaronHK 1 point an hour ago | Sep 22 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | There's really no difference between Chrome 53's battery life and Microsoft Edge's. I guess since Microsoft is making a slow, unusable, bug-riddled browser that doesn't really have any extensions to speak of, they have to resort to this. Microsoft Edge got lower scores on Peacekeeper than every other browser I tested. | Sep 22 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is obviously running Profile Guided Optimization while running Chakra (Edge's Javascript engine) through Javascript benchmark tests. And it's a shame that they have to lie about battery life because they can't make a browser that anyone wants to use. And it's a shame that they locked Cortana to Microsoft Edge and Bing in Windows 10 Anniversary because nobody wants to use Edge or Bing by choice. Microsoft is a dishonest company. | Sep 22 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "new Microsoft", only new anti-competitive tactics. New lies. | Sep 22 20:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779111222180401153 | Sep 22 21:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their | Sep 22 21:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revision... | Sep 22 21:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oTIz1ydSZG (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 21:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 22 21:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779111223283425280 | Sep 22 21:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | You Can Now Have a Single Live ISO Image with All the | Sep 22 21:05 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542b8l/a_hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_the/ | Sep 22 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | A hardware hack enables Linux support on the Lenovo Yoga 2, undermining Lenovo's press release. : linux | Sep 22 21:12 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 22 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 22 21:14 | |
| DaemonFC | I updated the thread to point to the hardware hack. | Sep 22 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 22 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 22 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | I had to change the subject. For some reason, it was wrong. | Sep 22 21:19 |
| MinceR | did your user account get deleted? | Sep 22 21:22 |
| MinceR | i refreshed https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542b8l/a_hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_the/ | Sep 22 21:22 |
| MinceR | and it says submitted 10 minutes ago by [deleted] | Sep 22 21:22 |
| MinceR | [deleted] | Sep 22 21:22 |
| razielle_tzu | i just opened the thread and the whole thing is deleted | Sep 22 21:22 |
| MinceR | interesting, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 22 21:22 |
| MinceR | says the exact same user account still exists | Sep 22 21:23 |
| MinceR | reddit is pretty fucked up | Sep 22 21:23 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'You Can Now Have a Single Live ISO...' | Sep 22 21:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'You Can Now Have a Single Live ISO...' | Sep 22 21:26 | |
| cubexyz | time to blog about it I'd say | Sep 22 21:29 |
| cubexyz | make Lenovo's first hit on google "Lenovo is ass" | Sep 22 21:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 21:29 |
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| cubexyz | some of the newer thinkpads have intel boot guard | Sep 22 21:31 |
| cubexyz | now hopefully one can turn it off, but I don't know if that's possible or not | Sep 22 21:32 |
| MinceR | i don't think you can turn it off | Sep 22 21:32 |
| MinceR | that would defeat the whole point | Sep 22 21:32 |
| MinceR | looks like i'll have to start learning how to build my own laptops | Sep 22 21:32 |
| MinceR | >I know for many Linux supporters it's hard to believe, but Microsoft has become a leading Linux supporter. | Sep 22 21:40 |
| MinceR | really, SJVN? | Sep 22 21:40 |
| MinceR | being employed by zdnet isn't good for his mental health, apparently | Sep 22 21:41 |
| MinceR | (from http://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-really-going-on-with-microsoft-lenovo-and-linux/ ) | Sep 22 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What's really going on with Microsoft, Lenovo and Linux | ZDNet | Sep 22 21:41 | |
| cubexyz | the borg motif is appropriate, M$ just sees Linux as something they can (try to) consume | Sep 22 21:42 |
| MinceR | they're suing companies for selling products with Linux in them | Sep 22 21:43 |
| cubexyz | Lenovo's BIOS tells the real story | Sep 22 21:43 |
| MinceR | that's not supporting | Sep 22 21:43 |
| cubexyz | 900-13ISK version worked fine with Linux, then the later 900-13ISK2 did not | Sep 22 21:43 |
| cubexyz | very suspicious | Sep 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | and technically this fuckup shouldn't be necessary for the Signature Edition thing at all | Sep 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | the whole point of that is how it's set up by default | Sep 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | if the user goes into uefi setup and tweaks settings, that's way beyond the scope of it | Sep 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | at that point they could just install Backdoors10 manually on a PC which comes with Backdoors10 + other bloatware | Sep 22 21:45 |
| MinceR | plus calling a PCI ID change "RAID" is dishonest | Sep 22 21:45 |
| MinceR | (if matthew garrett is right about that in the first place) | Sep 22 21:45 |
| MinceR | more bullshit from SJVN: https://web.archive.org/web/20160825165942/http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-marriage-of-microsoft-and-linux/ | Sep 22 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The marriage of Microsoft and Linux | ZDNet | Sep 22 21:47 | |
| MinceR | i guess it will in general be a good idea to use archive.is when linking to reddit | Sep 22 21:49 |
| MinceR | that way i can see if there's something fucked up going on and they also don't get to delete the article | Sep 22 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | https://slashdot.org/submission/6334993/a-hardware-hack-has-enabled-ahci-support-on-the-lenovo-yoga-900-isk2 | Sep 22 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | A hardware hack has enabled AHCI support on the Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2. - Slashdot | Sep 22 21:54 | |
| cubexyz | there's actually one Lenovo Thinkpad that I know doesn't have intel boot guard... the Thinkpad 11e Chromebook | Sep 22 21:57 |
| cubexyz | so on chromebooks you at least can use linux via crouton | Sep 22 21:57 |
| MinceR | oh, right | Sep 22 21:58 |
| MinceR | but you can't turn it on/off there either, it's not part of the system, afaik | Sep 22 21:58 |
| cubexyz | that's right | Sep 22 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Chromebooks use coreboot iirc. | Sep 22 21:59 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 22 21:59 |
| cubexyz | there's even a Yoga edition | Sep 22 22:00 |
| cubexyz | Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 11e with flip design | Sep 22 22:01 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I talked to Matthew Garrett. | Sep 23 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | I read a reddit comment about just putting the system back into AHCI mode once the BIOS hands the system over and Garrett says he's going to look into writing a patch. | Sep 23 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | That way we can get Linux up and force the hardware back to AHCI without any BIOS mods or help from Lenovo. | Sep 23 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | The solution should work on all three Yoga models and the two they will release next month, I'm thinking. | Sep 23 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | Power management won't be ideal, but the Dell XPS 13 has the same problem. Dell let people put it back into AHCI mode to install Linux. | Sep 23 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | For Lenovo, it's going to be a quirk that handles the situation despite their BIOS. | Sep 23 02:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Arkanta via /r/linux sent 35 minutes ago | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | How do you explain that linux boots and works on surface pro? | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK 1 point a minute ago | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Since the lockout seems to be a new requirement for their partners, ask me again when Microsoft releases the Surface Pro 5. Anyway, a patch to put the hardware back in AHCI mode after the BIOS exits is possibly in the works by Matthew Garrett, so if MSFT uses this method for the lockout, it may not work. I'm sure they'll find something else. | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | It has to be embarrassing to them that so many people ditch the nasty bug riddled Windows 10 and blog about how great Linux is on their Surface. I'm sure that's where the Lenovo "agreement" came from. Anyway, it lets them test the waters with someone else's branding on the machine before it gets rolled out elsewhere. And since so many people believe their crap that this wasn't intentional, the next Surface probably will come locked to a | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | fake RAID mode. | Sep 23 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What do you think? Think that once we solve this problem there will be another one? | Sep 23 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it will be Groundhog Day again. Everyone forgetting that we've already dealt with this before and apologizing for MSFT again. | Sep 23 02:12 |
| razielle_tzu | it's gonna keep happening | Sep 23 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | [–]Arkanta [score hidden] 6 minutes ago | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | A small driver lockout like that is barely a lockout. Locking out the efi secure boot keys, now that's how you permanently fuck linux. Linux is absolutely no threat to MS in the consumer desktop field (you may wank yourself over this summer's >2% marketshare but MS laughs at that), and they're moving to selling services more and more, so this makes no sense. | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry for your tinfoil hat, but I'm gonna blame intel rather than MS here. I'm also gonna wait for the next surface to laugh at your paranoia even more. | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | Edit: also, not many are leaving windows on their surfaces for linux, are barely anyone who does makes big articles about how the bugged w10 made them go away. There's nothing embrasassing. | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreplied | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | They want it to look unintentional. | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well shucks, Linux doesn't have a driver! | Sep 23 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can keep it off the machine for years. If this problem with Lenovo gets solved before the hardware is a year old, it will only be because someone in this forum on this topic had the outline of an idea, and I took it to Matthew Garrett and he managed to write a patch. They were probably planning on Linux being unusable for most of the lifetime of the product (3-4 years, perhaps more). | Sep 23 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | If they locked it out with Secure Boot, they'd be sued and under investigation by several world governments IMMEDIATELY. Microsoft is evil, not stupid. | Sep 23 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | He came back with "They could just lock it out forever with Secure Boot.". I replied: | Sep 23 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 02:24 | |
| DaemonFC | "They want it to look unintentional. Well shucks, Linux doesn't have a driver! Then they can keep it off the machine for years. If this problem with Lenovo gets solved before the hardware is a year old, it will only be because someone in this forum on this topic had the outline of an idea, and I took it to Matthew Garrett and he managed to write a patch. They were probably planning on Linux being unusable for most of the lifetime of the | Sep 23 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | product (3-4 years, perhaps more). | Sep 23 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 02:24 | |
| DaemonFC | If they locked it out with Secure Boot, they'd be sued and under investigation by several world governments IMMEDIATELY. Microsoft is evil, not stupid." | Sep 23 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | OOps. | Sep 23 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I was formatting that for another forum. :P | Sep 23 02:25 |
| razielle_tzu | :P | Sep 23 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | So Lenovo got caught with their pants down. | Sep 23 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently most people aren't buying their story. | Sep 23 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | 86% gave my Reddit article a thumbs up. | Sep 23 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | And the one about the hardware hack to get AHCI mode is at 73%. | Sep 23 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | So something like 3 out of 4 people believe my side over Lenovo's. And that's good because my side is the truth. | Sep 23 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | Trying to fight to keep Linux running despite BIOSes that are designed by Microsoft and PC vendors to stop it is like fighting an uphill battle on ice skates. There is no new Microsoft. Only new tactics. | Sep 23 02:47 |
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| r_schestowitz | [01:52] <DaemonFC> There is no "new Microsoft", only new anti-competitive tactics. New lies. | Sep 23 03:56 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, exactly | Sep 23 03:56 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/779235317324718083 | Sep 23 04:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jhamby: You have a very liberal definition of the term "back door." 😏 https://t.co/Av6HIGF7eh | Sep 23 04:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Powell leakers strike again with alleged White House staffer emails, Michelle Obama passport https://t.co/qvmPIXKHpC back doors abound | Sep 23 04:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | What I meant was, back doors in software make it easier to crack and grab private info | Sep 23 04:27 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: did reddit delete any thread? | Sep 23 04:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I mean, did it engage in censorship of any kind? | Sep 23 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Not that I know of. They gave me a "misleading title" flair and then the mod said something about how they were thinking of deleting it, but that was yesterday, and then they changed their mind because so many people were discussing things there. | Sep 23 04:40 |
| razielle_tzu | one of the threads did get deleted, or at least made to look like it had been | Sep 23 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | 500 million Yahoo accounts hacked? | Sep 23 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo has 500 million users? WTF | Sep 23 04:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sb101sb/status/779241526161448960 | Sep 23 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sb101sb: @schestowitz PR/marketing | Sep 23 04:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: ah OK | Sep 23 04:52 |
| r_schestowitz | so I guess it you who deleted a thread, or whoever the OP was | Sep 23 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Wow. You type firefox into Bing and a video pops up saying you should use Edge because it's the browser made for Windows 10. | Sep 23 04:52 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks, posted that just now | Sep 23 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Added an ad blocking rule to handle that. | Sep 23 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | www.bing.com###b_results > .b_topborder.b_top.b_ans | Sep 23 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | ta | Sep 23 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | interesting | Sep 23 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | ah, ok, so it's in the page | Sep 23 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | I thought in thw browser | Sep 23 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 23 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | It's on top of the search results and autoplays. | Sep 23 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | It has tabs with more information about Edge and an "Ads by Microsoft" tag on it. | Sep 23 04:56 |
| r_schestowitz | haha, desperate, but still evil | Sep 23 04:57 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see what I put in tuxmachines? | Sep 23 04:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I lost my connection 4 times in the past 12 hours | Sep 23 04:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted some of the latest articles about it, I think it was quite exhaustive | Sep 23 04:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93848 | Sep 23 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 23 04:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | You can see their tactics | Sep 23 04:58 |
| r_schestowitz | they go to the same sites that publish reports | Sep 23 04:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and ask them to publish new articles with the official lie | Sep 23 04:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and some people did swallow this and now repeat the face-saving lie | Sep 23 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, You tell people that and they get hostile about it. | Sep 23 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I made it the first part in my reply to MS and Lenovo. | Sep 23 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: put their feet to the fire | Sep 23 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 05:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 05:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | they're lying, everyone knows this, except maybe publishers/editors who are not technical | Sep 23 05:03 |
| r_schestowitz | and they publish their tripe | Sep 23 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, I reported the Edge ad to Easylist along with the filter I used. | Sep 23 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | good | Sep 23 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | keep pressuring until they issue more lies | Sep 23 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | also, it might be worth making up a list of Lenovo lies | Sep 23 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | from their reps, product managers etc. | Sep 23 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | to show a pattern of lies and shifted narratives | Sep 23 05:05 |
| r_schestowitz | if they flip-flopped between stories it means people risk getting canned | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | and they'd say anything to cover their vehind | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | *behing | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | *behind | Sep 23 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, "Several people state that this lock-out in the BIOS is not present in otherwise identical models that are sold in Germany and Europe" | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | there are still many articles written about it | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | don't make it over (the song) | Sep 23 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | The yoga laptops sold in Germany have the AHCI option in the BIOS setup. | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | they want the negative publicity and scrutiny to stop | Sep 23 05:06 |
| r_schestowitz | you can see in -social channel what I write in Diaspora etc. | Sep 23 05:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7879661 | Sep 23 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ #lenovo lying (censored) | Sep 23 05:11 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | UPDATE: I pinged Matthew Garrett after someone had an idea about having the Linux kernel switch the hardware out of RAID and into AHCI mode AFTER the BIOS hands it over to the kernel, and he said it might work and that he'd see about writing a patch. This would have the practical effect of running Linux in AHCI mode on the Dell XPS, only through a Linux "hardware quirk" to deal with Lenovo doing nothing to fix the BIOS. Actually, Lenovo | Sep 23 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | hasn't done anything through this whole ordeal but lie, lie some more, try to delete evidence, get together with Microsoft and release a joint lie, and then pressure the news media to change their stories. | Sep 23 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | ALSO: According to a comment on this page, some people in Germany report that the European versions of the affected Yoga laptops don't have AHCI mode hidden in the BIOS. Perhaps because the EU takes locking users out of their PCs more seriously than the US government does. | Sep 23 05:17 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Sep 23 05:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I pinged sjvn about it, too | Sep 23 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, It's tiring. I don't know how you do this every day. | Sep 23 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've been doing my best to reply to every comment and private message I get though. :) | Sep 23 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | There's been a lot of that to keep up with. | Sep 23 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | at least it reaches millions of people, through resultant articles | Sep 23 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sine_injuria/status/779250416118820866 | Sep 23 05:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sine_injuria: Almost daily occurrence in #ContinentalEuropean #Megapolis re #Corporate-scripted #MSM #RadioSilence, #Paris 15th r… https://t.co/kcxJYqWTVi | Sep 23 05:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sine_injuria: Almost daily occurrence in #ContinentalEuropean #Megapolis re #Corporate-scripted #MSM #RadioSilence, #Paris 15th r… https://t.co/kcxJYqWTVi | Sep 23 05:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ManagingIP/status/779251013823897600 | Sep 23 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ManagingIP: Look forward to reading! https://t.co/T2ivxxGtF4 | Sep 23 05:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to write some detailed rebuttals to #epo #battistelli and #upc this afternoon if all goes according to plan | Sep 23 05:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779235234407559168 | Sep 23 05:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix Graphics News | Tux Machines | Sep 23 05:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779235714106032128 | Sep 23 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Recently in Techrights https://t.co/FDEg7pHz7v | Sep 23 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 05:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 23 05:36 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Can you check Lenovo's UK support site and see if there's a BIOS for the Yoga 900 ISK2 posted? | Sep 23 06:01 |
| razielle_tzu | DaemonFC: i'm checking that now for you | Sep 23 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to post it to a BIOS mods forum and have them go over it and see if AHCI mode is hidden. | Sep 23 06:04 |
| razielle_tzu | there's a bios update from april but that's it | Sep 23 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | the version 5 one | Sep 23 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, mine is on version 8. They didn't post 6, 7, or 8. | Sep 23 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | They just flashed version 8 on this one. | Sep 23 06:05 |
| razielle_tzu | it's listed as version number 2UCN05WW | Sep 23 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that's it. | Sep 23 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | The one on my machine is 2ucn08WW. | Sep 23 06:05 |
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| razielle_tzu | strange how only v5 is listed and loks like a minor mod to the bios ;) | Sep 23 06:08 |
| razielle_tzu | *looks | Sep 23 06:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7879661 | Sep 23 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ #lenovo lying (censored) | Sep 23 06:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 06:12 | |
| Tervy | mmm chromodo is getting annoying too .. this happened just minute ago https://λ.pw/77d.png ( i know its my fault using comodos browser but thats beside the point | Sep 23 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://λ.pw/77d.png ) | Sep 23 06:13 | |
| Tervy | that came as notification popup on right bottom corner | Sep 23 06:14 |
| Tervy | see the sneaky "by clicking "ok" you agreed to accept this offer" | Sep 23 06:14 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah and no boxing around the decline option | Sep 23 06:15 |
| razielle_tzu | and a TINY tick box for the change of settings | Sep 23 06:16 |
| Tervy | that box is just for "other browser we will change chromodos settings anyway if you click OK" | Sep 23 06:16 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Sep 23 06:17 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: can you be more specific about what I need to search for and how? | Sep 23 06:23 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'm contacting some people about it | Sep 23 06:23 |
| r_schestowitz | quote: | Sep 23 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Not done an article about it yet (tuxmachines clusters the link) as I don't want journalists to see us as 'implicated'... until it's all over. There's a cycle of lies now, as was the case with Superfish (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end). | Sep 23 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | [11:22] <r_schestowitz> This is still very active a subject, even if the press won't cover it much anymore. About 50 press articles so far... | Sep 23 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I link to some stuff related to this to keep the topic 'warm' | Sep 23 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I guess it buries the powwow about libreboot for now | Sep 23 06:24 |
| r_schestowitz | brb, need to type some article about epo | Sep 23 06:25 |
| r_schestowitz | gnome release party tonight here, starting 6pm | Sep 23 06:26 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, way past time to sleep. | Sep 23 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | Good night. | Sep 23 06:38 |
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| r_schestowitz | > I've noticed that there is little information, though the dominant | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > messages (of disinformation) from M$ and Lenovo by shills and apologists | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > are what is most visible. ( Poor sjvn, I used to read his material. | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > not lately though, I only saw it by accident... ) | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > What M$ is trying is a natural continuation of the lock-down they | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > started with Restricted Boot. M$ is in the hardware takeover for the | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > long game. Around 15 or 16 years ago, they were trying to get hold of | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > the BIOS even then, I think it was Pheonix or American Megatrends they | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > tried to subvert, but I cannot recall anything more. | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > Also, Apple is now in the same game now that they have that asspirate | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > running the company. He's pulled the analog jack and will work down | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > from that end of the stack. M$ will work upward, and they hope to meet | Sep 23 06:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > in the middle, cheered on by MPAA, RIAA, CIA, NSA, GCHQ, etc. | Sep 23 06:42 |
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| cubexyz | if you look at AMI bios source code you'll see they do testing on linux | Sep 23 07:37 |
| cubexyz | not in every case of course, but in many of them | Sep 23 07:39 |
| cubexyz | in the old days they did tests on SCO Unix... say 1994 to 1999, maybe before that | Sep 23 07:39 |
| cubexyz | and before that it was only real mode 16-bit operating systems | Sep 23 07:40 |
| cubexyz | oh, also I can say from personal experience that Phoenix BIOS was tested on Xenix | Sep 23 07:41 |
| cubexyz | with boot guard you can't mod the BIOS | Sep 23 07:46 |
| cubexyz | intel boot guard basically rules out coreboot as well | Sep 23 07:47 |
| cubexyz | one can at least look at the coreboot code for 3rd party (chromebooks/chromeboxes): | Sep 23 07:50 |
| cubexyz | git clone https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/coreboot | Sep 23 07:50 |
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| cubexyz | the BSD people are worried about lock-in too, it's not just the linux folks | Sep 23 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | [12:51] <cubexyz> the BSD people are worried about lock-in too, it's not just the linux folks | Sep 23 10:10 |
| schestowitz | They have fewer voices | Sep 23 10:10 |
| dblaber | all 3 of those bsd users :P:P | Sep 23 10:10 |
| schestowitz | which means the public might not sympathise as much | Sep 23 10:10 |
| schestowitz | like GNU | Sep 23 10:10 |
| dblaber | joking, don't kill me :P | Sep 23 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "what's that?"| | Sep 23 10:10 |
| schestowitz | People know the "Linux" brand | Sep 23 10:10 |
| schestowitz | dblaber: few of us use BSD | Sep 23 10:11 |
| schestowitz | I have it on some servers at work, cubexyz uses just about any OS out there | Sep 23 10:11 |
| dblaber | i don't use it on the desktop, but bunch of servers | Sep 23 10:11 |
| dblaber | cubexyz: any os out their eh? | Sep 23 10:11 |
| schestowitz | gtg, gnome release party in manchester this evening | Sep 23 10:12 |
| schestowitz | wife is going there too | Sep 23 10:12 |
| dblaber | why do none of these things happen in NYC? | Sep 23 10:12 |
| cubexyz | any OS with source code, with a few exceptions | Sep 23 10:18 |
| cubexyz | certain programming environments from DEC were interesting | Sep 23 10:20 |
| cubexyz | TOPS-20 would be an exception... it's proprietary, but still interesting enough to run | Sep 23 10:20 |
| dblaber | freedos :)? | Sep 23 10:23 |
| dblaber | i love real mode operating systems | Sep 23 10:23 |
| cubexyz | I run that too | Sep 23 10:23 |
| cubexyz | one of the vector computers dual boots into freedos and linux | Sep 23 10:24 |
| dblaber | i have a fascination with the older apple operating systems, Mac os pre os x, apple II's os etc, although no source code | Sep 23 10:24 |
| dblaber | probably just because i have used them so much while younger | Sep 23 10:24 |
| cubexyz | back in the day, when folks bought an IBM 1130 they got full IBM DMS source code with it | Sep 23 10:25 |
| cubexyz | it's assembly language, so not the easiest thing to learn | Sep 23 10:26 |
| dblaber | what arch was it? | Sep 23 10:27 |
| cubexyz | ah, IBM 1130 with SLT... that's a 16-bit architecture, you would be limited to 32,768 16-bit words of memory | Sep 23 10:28 |
| cubexyz | mag core | Sep 23 10:28 |
| cubexyz | mid-1960s technology | Sep 23 10:28 |
| cubexyz | peripherals would be card reader, display copier, printer, plotter, paper tape reader... tons of options | Sep 23 10:30 |
| cubexyz | an interesting machine | Sep 23 10:31 |
| cubexyz | probably by 1974 most would have been taken out of service | Sep 23 10:41 |
| cubexyz | here's a nice pic: | Sep 23 10:43 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-complete-system.jpg | Sep 23 10:43 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NeckbeardHacker/status/654410350696206340 | Sep 23 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NeckbeardHacker: If by "container" you mean emacs...yes, I deploy and run my app inside a container. | Sep 23 10:44 | |
| MinceR | looks pretty smudged... is part of it missing? | Sep 23 10:45 |
| cubexyz | try it again | Sep 23 10:45 |
| cubexyz | not sure what happened there | Sep 23 10:46 |
| MinceR | works now | Sep 23 10:46 |
| MinceR | nice indeed | Sep 23 10:46 |
| MinceR | did people put things on top of those large flat surfaces? | Sep 23 10:46 |
| cubexyz | yeah, they would often put the removeable 14-inch cartridges up there on a rack | Sep 23 10:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-folks.jpg | Sep 23 10:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 23 10:48 |
| cubexyz | I don't have a real 1130 of course, it's just via the magic of emulation | Sep 23 10:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silentbicycle: Did you hear about the C programmer who broke their ARM? They were volatile because they had an unsigned cast. | Sep 23 11:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Matthew Garrett is in the Reddit conversation now. He began by attacking me. | Sep 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/d7yigzu | Sep 23 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement | Sep 23 15:32 | |
| DaemonFC | In context. You need to expand the replies though. | Sep 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | [–]mjg59Social Justice Warrior 19 points 9 hours ago | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan, you don't appear to know anything more about hardware now than you did when you claimed Foxconn were sabotaging Linux 8 years ago. 2W is about 50% of the idle consumption of a modern laptop. That's several hours of additional battery life. And, as pointed out elsewhere, the issue isn't the SSD itself - it's the fact that an incorrectly configured storage device will prevent the entire CPU package from going into deep sleep states, | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | potentially costing you far more power. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] -8 points 9 hours ago* | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | The Dell XPS 13 had an issue where it couldn't go into into full power save mode when idle and the battery runtime went from 11 hours and 54 minutes after the fix. Before the fix it was 9 hours and 37 minutes. And that's not "several" hours, by the way. It's a hit, but not several hours. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I would trade that to run Linux. It's still an all day charge. I've dealt with laptops running Windows that got 3 hours before. I think you're just overlooking how spoiled people have gotten. But whatever... | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | There's a cycle of lies being perpetuated by Lenovo in the media right now, as was the case with Superfish (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end). You don't need to help them by laying all of the blame on Intel. Intel does more for Linux and open source than a lot of companies, like "NoVideo". | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo has a PR damage control team on hand contacting the media and telling them to rewrite the story with Lenovo's lies featured in it. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | Dell, on the other hand, just went ahead and released a new BIOS with AHCI mode when people complained. I guess I know where to take my hard-earned money next time. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | (Nice Social Justice Warrior flair, btw. Do you need a safe space or a trigger word?) | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | [–]mjg59Social Justice Warrior 1 point 2 hours ago | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I would trade that to run Linux | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | That's great! But for most people who own this laptop, it'd be an option that increased their power consumption without providing any benefit. Deciding not to offer that option isn't "blocking" Linux. Deciding not to release and support firmware that provides that option isn't "blocking" Linux. Failing to support it, sure - but there are many vendors who ship hardware that's unsupported by Linux (try installing Linux on a current Macbook, | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | for instance), and our failure to support that hardware isn't their problem. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | (Nice Social Justice Warrior flair, btw. Do you need a safe space or a trigger word?) | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | You're the one responds to criticism by signing people up to spam lists. Sure you're not the one who needs a safe space? | Sep 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 4 minutes ago | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | "That's great! But for most people who own this laptop, it'd be an option that increased their power consumption without providing any benefit." | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | So having the Linux kernel kick the damned thing back into AHCI mode after the BIOS exits, which will be reset on the next reboot anyway is going to affect Windows users who will never use Linux? | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | Or maybe an AHCI mode option from Lenovo that says "Warning: Changing this option will lower your battery runtime. Only change it if you know what you are doing!" and then letting people who want to run Linux toggle it? That affects Windows users? Most of them don't even know that there is a BIOS, much less how to get into it during the 1 second window that you have to hit the key to get into the setup. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | "Our failure to support that hardware isn't their problem." | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | The failure is that Linux doesn't know how to deal with this insanity and kick the system back out to AHCI mode so it WORKS with maybe 8-10% less runtime on the battery (if the XPS is a good example of what happens in AHCI mode) until the day when Linux developers know what to do to get ideal power management on the hardware. NOT WORKING AT ALL is worse than not working ideally. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's the real failure here. And if it can be fixed with a few lines of code and it won't be, because we're supposed to wait on those assholes at Lenovo to do something official with the BIOS (which they never will because they already said they won't, and even mentioned the Microsoft deal before they walked it back) then that's even worse. | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | You've bashed Intel before because of your "SJW" crap. So, how do we know you're being fair to Intel? | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | "You're the one responds to criticism by signing people up to spam lists." | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | First of all.....you're still blaming me for that even though I already clearly stated that I had no idea what you were on about. Secondly, that was eight years ago? Jesus.... | Sep 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | Then someone else came in..... | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | [–]fixed_that_for_me 1 point 2 hours ago | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | (Nice Social Justice Warrior flair, btw. Do you need a safe space or a trigger word?) | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Fuck right off. | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't particularly like some of mjg's social stances, and I'd happily argue with him if I met him, but the guy's technical abilities are top notch. Shit, he probably knows more about various bits of Lenovo hardware from experience alone than some of the folks at Lenovo (I can personally confirm he definitely knows more than some of the mid-level people there...) | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | His positions on various social issues are irrelevant to his expertise on the matter at hand. And -- unlike you -- he does have expertise. | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end) | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Yes it was a dumb decision to bundle it in the first place. | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | But perhaps you can tell me what part of a mea culpa, reaching out to anti-spyware/anti-adware vendors to ensure blacklisting, removing it from the preinstall images, and releasing a goddamn removal tool that they open sourced counts as "Lenovo lied and it came tumbling down"? | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty clear that you have it out for Lenovo. And, whatever, that's cool. Don't buy their shit. | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | But don't lie. And when you're called out by an expert, don't keep lying and resort to ad-hominem attacks. | Sep 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 19 minutes ago* | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | What Lenovo did was wait until all of their lies and bullshit ran out and then offered a fucking removal tool for the shit that they put on millions of computers, some probably still running Superfish today, complete with the self-signed cert that they said was "not a security problem"! Motherfuckers. | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's well known that Garrett has done things for horrible political reasons. He's an Intel basher, so why wouldn't he blame Intel and vastly overstate the power usage of the hardware in AHCI mode. (It doesn't seem to bother Dell users. Linus Torvalds said he bought a Dell XPS system, and that's the mode it's running in, right?) Garrett bashed Intel because of a phony scandal and it's people like him that basically bled GNOME's finances dry | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | on an "outreach to women" program that basically had no results in the end. | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm going to donate money to GNOME, I'd like it to be used to develop GNOME and promote GNOME and not on some noxious politically correct SJW campaign. I think they've lost their damned minds, personally. | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2143160/gnome-foundation-faces-cash-crunch-over-women-outreach-program.html | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | If women want to join open source development, maybe they'll just do it without the pandering and obnoxious SJW people spending all the cash the project has on marketing to a demographic that is perhaps, just not interested. | Sep 23 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gnome Foundation faces cash crunch over women outreach program | PCWorld | Sep 23 15:37 | |
| DaemonFC | But again, well-known Intel basher. | Sep 23 15:37 |
| Tervy | Holy macaroni that was a lot of text | Sep 23 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | [–]CrimeOfOpportunity [score hidden] 17 minutes ago | Sep 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | There's some good points listed there but nothing beyond speculation unfortunately. And it doesn't change the fact that this BIOS lock thus far has shown to be exclusive to North America (or at least, excludes European markets) | Sep 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | As a recap, here's what demographic this conspiracy aims to steal: North American owners of Lenovo Yoga 900 IKS2 laptops. I don't know who formulated this backhanded stuff, but it's hardly Dan Brown material. | Sep 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | And again, it doesn't explain the fact that were this to become widespread, the linux kernel would in all likelihood respond by upping the effort to support RAID, rendering the whole conspiracy moot. | Sep 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | We deal with hardware support issues all the time, this is hardly evidence of some kind of campaign against Linux. | Sep 23 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 23 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually four models of Yoga laptops and about to be six as soon as the 910 and Yoga Book Windows Edition is out. (There's an Android edition of the Yoga Book scheduled to launch, but knowing Lenovo, I wouldn't put it past them to make it come with a bunch of crapware marked "system app", but maybe you can take root and get rid of it if that happens.) | Sep 23 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Well, Matthew Garrett did reply to that. | Sep 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | [–]mjg59Social Justice Warrior [score hidden] 16 minutes ago | Sep 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | The failure is that Linux doesn't know how to deal with this insanity and kick the system back out to AHCI mode so it WORKS | Sep 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | That's certainly a possible solution. Intel are in the best position to write that code. I may attempt it in the next few days. | Sep 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think that my point that not working at all is worse than not working ideally was correct. | Sep 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | And he overstated the impact AHCI mode will have on battery life. | Sep 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | In the Dell's case, you're dealing with about 9 hours and 40 minutes instead of 11 hours 56 minutes with the Intel power management, because they had the original skylake power issue which prevented deep sleep. So that was the runtimes for Windows, at least.. | Sep 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | Garrett said "several hours" but it's really more like 2 | Sep 23 16:07 |
| razielle_tzu | two and a bit, big deal | Sep 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but we don't know the testing situation that the magazine used either. | Sep 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | My system is hardly ever in a situation where it could go into deep sleep. | Sep 23 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | It's cranking away running a million browser tables, playing videos, running spotify. | Sep 23 16:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know what the problem is in some open source projects. | Sep 23 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | At least the kind of people who want to throw away most of the code and start over every 4-5 years aren't in charge of the Linux kernel. | Sep 23 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on the fence about systemd. | Sep 23 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | What GNOME is doing is ridiculous. | Sep 23 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | A few of their programs are more friendly than KDE's, but that's not really enough to make me want to use it. | Sep 23 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | If I get Linux running on this machined I'll probably use KDE. | Sep 23 16:27 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Matthew Garrett is in the Reddit conversation now. He began by attacking me. | Sep 23 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Sep 23 16:28 |
| schestowitz | he calls himself "SJW" | Sep 23 16:28 |
| schestowitz | self-described | Sep 23 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why the people who are qualified to work on these issues are some of the meanest people on Earth. | Sep 23 16:29 |
| razielle_tzu | garrett seems like a [redacted] reading those comments | Sep 23 16:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779415702902018048 | Sep 23 16:30 |
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| DaemonFC | !google matthew garrett intel gamergate | Sep 23 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | Sep 23 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 23 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html | Sep 23 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Actions have consequences (or: why I'm not fixing Intel's bugs any more) | Sep 23 16:32 | |
| DaemonFC | There's his article about it anyway. | Sep 23 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | So I made sure to mention that he's an Intel basher. | Sep 23 16:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/779362139630891008 | Sep 23 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz One can blame the EPO's leadership for many things but in technical professions diversity is hard to achieve, unfortunately. | Sep 23 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not anymore | Sep 23 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Still, the reaction was ridiculous. | Sep 23 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Ridiculous militant third wave feminism. | Sep 23 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Everything male is evil and terrible and I'm offended and all that. | Sep 23 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | They won't be happy until there are no defined genders, even in the medical community. | Sep 23 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | Introducing new pronouns like "Xe" and "Vee". | Sep 23 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | It only works if people cooperate with it. | Sep 23 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | And people like those assholes at Libreboot.... | Sep 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | They said "We won't release her name because we don't want her harrassed, but here are the names off the people who [allegedly] harassed her.". | Sep 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Implication being, "Go harass them!". | Sep 23 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | Typical SJW. | Sep 23 16:43 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | just got back from gnome party, catching up with news | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: people at the party heard about lenovo | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I think most geeks in the UK know about it | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | it has come to the attention of tens of millions I estimate | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | they too use lenovo at their company | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | and after this they feel itchy | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | so well done, you sank Microsoft and Lenovo in a mess | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | this sysadmin guy REALLY does not trust Microsoft | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | and after this more so | Sep 23 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it will probably be fixed, but outside of Lenovo and not in the ideal way. | Sep 23 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | So people who already have the system and want to use Linux, go ahead. Don't buy a new system for it from Lenovo though. | Sep 23 16:46 |
| knttl | DaemonFC: "like those assholes at libreboot" -> it's bassically one person makins statements as "libreboot"... http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html | Sep 23 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zammit.org | Libreboot screwup | Sep 23 16:47 | |
| DaemonFC | It won't run ideally because Microsoft and Intel won't tell people how power management works. | Sep 23 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I disagree with Garrett. I think Microsoft likes having the third party driver. That way they can make Windows work, but nobody can make power management work right without Windows and the special driver. | Sep 23 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, well, apologies to the people other than this "Leah". | Sep 23 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | Using the terms like "We" must be a tactic to make it seem like everyone shares the same opinion. | Sep 23 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | That's a scummy thing to do, but....SJW. | Sep 23 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Linux iis getting mentions on major TV shows now. | Sep 23 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | It was mentioned in Mr. Robot several times. | Sep 23 16:56 |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3437431#M8426 | Sep 23 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 28 - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/psdwo ] | Sep 23 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone asked about the idea to kick the hardware into AHCI mode using the Linux kernel on Reddit, so I replied: | Sep 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | The beauty of the idea to have Linux kick the machine into AHCI after GRUB starts the kernel is that it gets reset on every boot, and then goes into AHCI mode again when you select Linux. | Sep 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | When you select Windows, it will be in the fake RAID mode and you still get full power management, and you won't even have to install Windows again to avoid BSoDs. | Sep 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | And there's nothing Lenovo can do about it since we'd only be using their stupid BIOS to bring the machine out and then throwing out their RAID mode once Linux takes over. As long as you don't get a BIOS update that breaks something else. A BIOS update could break Linux again if Lenovo really intended it to, but I'm thinking after being embroiled in a scandal, they won't try this again. Once is a mistake, twice is a habit. You know? That's | Sep 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | my opinion. | Sep 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Hopefully once we have an interim fix in place that lets us boot Linux, someone can add support for Lenovo's fake RAID mode later, remove the quirk, and we get full power management back. Until then, maybe you get 9 hours instead of 10 on a charge. I haven't tested so I don't know. I would accept the hit to get away from Windows 10, even if we never figure out a solution that lets us run in the RAID mode and support Intel's undocumented | Sep 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | power management. | Sep 23 18:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I added, Either way, it's what's going to end up "Solving" this thread. Not Lenovo's press release where they were going out of their way to make vomit-inducing endorsements of Windows 10. | Sep 23 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779441641828429824 | Sep 23 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation Oh, I dunno, it might have become an actual thing, but if so, then it's same as "breaking down silos". lolz | Sep 23 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: see -soial channel | Sep 23 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this earlier | Sep 23 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I'm behind you in this and I try to keep this going in the media | Sep 23 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Chris Hoffman at IDG wrote earlier today | Sep 23 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Site: PC World | Sep 23 18:09 |
| schestowitz | he's trying to shift blame to Intel, did you see it? | Sep 23 18:10 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @osvidsan favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Not For The Everyday Linux User Review Of Porteus 3.1 | Sep 23 18:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Not For The Everyday Linux User Review Of Porteus 3.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 23 18:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 2016 LiFT Scholarship Winner Yasin Sekabira: Open Source | Sep 23 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Entrepreneur https://t.co/W78gHIK7c5 | Sep 23 18:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2016 LiFT Scholarship Winner Yasin Sekabira: Open Source Entrepreneur | Tux Machines | Sep 23 18:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Revive Your Old PC With Lightweight Linux LXLE | Sep 23 18:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Revive Your Old PC With Lightweight Linux LXLE | Tux Machines | Sep 23 18:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 7 things you need to know for WordPress development | Sep 23 18:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 things you need to know for WordPress development | Tux Machines | Sep 23 18:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779442782494662656 | Sep 23 18:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 | Sep 23 18:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OS https://t.co/5irYcmgjD9 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 18:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 OS | Tux Machines | Sep 23 18:11 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I saw it. | Sep 23 18:11 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @psychicoperator favourited 'Plasma 5.7.5, Applications 16.08.1 and Frameworks 5.26.0 by...' | Sep 23 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Intel might be one party to blame, but in my opinion, it makes three companies that had a hand in this mess, so blaming only Intel is misguided. | Sep 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/blog/week-open-source-news-linux-foundation-offering-free-openstack-training-github-wants-more | Sep 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | "UPDATE: Microsoft Isn’t Really Blocking Laptops From Installing Linux, Lenovo Says- The Next Web" | Sep 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | yes, DaemonFC | Sep 23 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Week in Open Source News: Linux Foundation Offering Free OpenStack Training, GitHub Wants More Business Users, & More | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 23 18:12 | |
| schestowitz | see what I wrote | Sep 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | it's three or more parties to blame | Sep 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | they're all complicit to some degree | Sep 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | and hopefully they'll take action to address this after your work | Sep 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779443715408408576 | Sep 23 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz I dunno, I federate servers pretty often-- which usage were you referring to though? | Sep 23 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | The buzzword... | Sep 23 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | They do use the word "Wintel" for a reason. MS and Intel tend to do things in lockstep. MS benefits from having a situation where only a Windows driver from Intel can bail you out. | Sep 23 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | They preloaded Windows on the machine and there's nothing you can do about it thanks to this configuration, so why is Microsoft hurt? They aren't. In fact, I'm sure they encouraged it. Maybe even had the idea in the first place. | Sep 23 18:16 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @hidenosuke retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779443970690560000 | Sep 23 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz ...in the long-term I don't know if we can save the engineering part of @linuxfoundation from the business part. I hope so. | Sep 23 18:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @k6ekb favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:18 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @PhilippeLoctaux favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: true | Sep 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | therein lies the key thing about UEFI | Sep 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I often blamed Intel as much as I did Microsoft | Sep 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was riding the wave created mostly by Intel | Sep 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | their management for the group was mostly Intel people | Sep 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | they did a telephone conference with me | Sep 23 18:19 |
| schestowitz | 3 of them, the heads | Sep 23 18:19 |
| schestowitz | and I asked them to verify Intel paid their salary | Sep 23 18:19 |
| schestowitz | they failed to convince me to change my stance | Sep 23 18:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/PhilippeLoctaux/status/779444797560020992 | Sep 23 18:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 18:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @PhilippeLoctaux #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 18:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 18:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 18:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Lenovo is a culmination of many people's longstanding phobia over UEFI | Sep 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | Intel isn't running EFI anymore. They turned over the spec to a "consortium", and it's a terrible spec. 7,000 pages. Contradicts itself. There will certainly be thousands of bugs. It's basically a rootkit....and so on. | Sep 23 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC | It solved several problems with BIOS at the expense of creating at least 100 problems for every one it solved. | Sep 23 18:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 23 18:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779445374150971392 | Sep 23 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Containerized Production Environments: Networking, | Sep 23 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security, and Storage https://t.co/CiWGsxskcG | Sep 23 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thenewstack.io) | Sep 23 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | Containerized Production Environments: Networking, Security, and Storage - The New Stack | Sep 23 18:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779446239456817152 | Sep 23 18:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 Streamlines Into Tumbleweed | Sep 23 18:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rmnPQdRMHc (news.opensuse.org) | Sep 23 18:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE News | Sep 23 18:25 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Enlightenment EFL Adds Atomic Modesetting, Nuclear | Sep 23 18:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Page-Flipping https://t.co/cnwMjiHARX (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 23 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779447571487961088 | Sep 23 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz You must have felt so honored that day. If I'd won an award like that, I know that I'd never stop gloating! | Sep 23 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | Context missing? | Sep 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779448766415773696 | Sep 23 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz strange! It was in reply to a tweet about the European patent office suing you ;). | Sep 23 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, that. A little scary at first, but it backrfired on them | Sep 23 18:34 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RoccoTerlizzi favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779448629262217216 | Sep 23 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Growing Million Dollar OpenStack Deals | Sep 23 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oXDHPDhp1p (www.serverwatch.com) By Sean | Sep 23 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Michael Kerner | Sep 23 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Red Hat Growing Million Dollar OpenStack Deals | Sep 23 18:37 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 23 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I use a TON of filters. So many that it breaks comment sections on most websites and forces me to use a throwaway browser like MS Edge so I can comment. Underneath that, I have a HOSTS file. | Sep 23 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what I can do about this. It turns off things like Facebook tracking me on 3rd party sites. | Sep 23 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | It breaks comment plugins though. :P | Sep 23 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I was talking about how counting tracking stats probably undercounts Linux users. | Sep 23 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them block trackers. | Sep 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | #epo threatening to sue me achieved nothing but ACCELERATE my coverage of them http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779450158765355012 | Sep 23 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Sep 23 18:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz Organizations that do not serve the greater good have a problem with frequent backfires. They should check the engine! | Sep 23 18:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @portlinux favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779450225400438788 | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Codeweavers CrossOver 15.3.0 for Linux and Mac OSX has | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | been released https://t.co/sNwCnjnWOF | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.wine-reviews.net) | Sep 23 18:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wine-reviews.net | Wine Reviews : Codeweavers CrossOver 15.3.0 for Linux and Mac OSX has been released | Sep 23 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/_Ravs/status/779450585213001733 | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @_Ravs #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 18:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 18:41 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @manchesterappuk retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 18:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/Thomas_Report/status/779455259907416070 | Sep 23 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Thomas_Report #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 19:00 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 10 isn't "unstable" like earlier releases were where you got a blue screen of death every few days. I've only gotten two blue screens of death in the last 13 months of using Windows 10, and they both happened on the initial release (there have been two more since). | Sep 23 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 is unstable in the sense that it has all kinds of weird bugs that show up and are difficult to reproduce. Like your Bluetooth starts acting up or telling you to reboot the computer when you pair your headphones, and then you shut down and turn the PC back on and it behaves for a while. Same with touchscreen. Updates can hang themselves and require you to reset Windows update and then install the offline package. Just a lot of | Sep 23 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | things that shouldn't ever happen to an end user, and usually don't on Mac or Linux due to higher code quality and a more thorough testing process before the release is marked stable and sent out to users. | Sep 23 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | I hear that Microsoft fired most of their testers and is relying on "telemetry". What does that mean? They push it out to users, see what breaks, and then temporarily halt the updates on that particular system (leaving the people who already got the update in trouble, but Microsoft doesn't seem to care). | Sep 23 19:00 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @grozahn1 favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 19:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779455670655541248 | Sep 23 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j | Sep 23 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeparty #gnomelove #codethink | Sep 23 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 19:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 23 19:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779458511642124288 | Sep 23 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz Now you, too can be a source of data for our attempt at building general AI! Don't you feel special? | Sep 23 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you hear about telemetry in code compiled by Visual Studio? | Sep 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | i.e. other companies' code? | Sep 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | search the web and thou shalt find | Sep 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | utterly despicable and proves exactly what I warned about for many years | Sep 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | that proprietary Microsoft compilers will insert malicious features into compiled code of OTHER people | Sep 23 19:15 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | "Spotted by Marius Nestor of Softpedia" http://www.mobipicker.com/linux-kernel-4-8-lands-ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak-new-update-final-beta-build/ | Sep 23 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Kernel 4.8 Lands On Ubuntu 16.10 Yakkety Yak After New Update [Final Beta Build] | MobiPicker | Sep 23 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | They're more or less just plagiarising softpedia | Sep 23 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-discounts-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs-after-linux-ban-claims-508574.shtml" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Discounts Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs After Linux Ban Claims</a> [Ed: now in ‘damage control’ mode]</h5></li> | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://www.techworm.net/2016/09/lenovo-denies-claims-blocking-linux-windows-10-pcs.html" rel="nofollow">Lenovo denies claims of blocking Linux on Windows 10 PCs</a></h5></li> | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/3123075/linux/linux-wont-install-on-your-laptop-blame-intel-not-microsoft.html" rel="nofollow">If Linux won't install on your laptop, blame Intel not Microsoft</a></h5></li> | Sep 23 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Discounts Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs After Linux Ban Claims | Sep 23 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | sorry for the hypercrap | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but it's the latest | Sep 23 19:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If Linux won't install on your laptop, blame Intel not Microsoft | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/pse6l ] | Sep 23 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | see discounts | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | damage control | Sep 23 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: show that they lie | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | for followups in the media | Sep 23 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.dailydot.com/debug/bing-porn-search-engine/ | Sep 23 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailydot.com | How Bing became the search engine for porn | The Daily Dot | Sep 23 19:47 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93888 | Sep 23 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux and Hardware | Tux Machines | Sep 23 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | looks like my connection is stabilizing again | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | been a rocky 23 hours | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you too dropped out | Sep 23 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I closed the laptop for a few minutes. | Sep 23 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | [00:31] <schestowitz> DaemonFC: show that they lie | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | [00:31] <schestowitz> for followups in the media | Sep 23 19:55 |
| cubexyz | wintel is kind of over though | Sep 23 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I use my chromebook with ARM Cortex, it's not intel and it's not windows | Sep 23 19:58 |
| cubexyz | from 1987 I was using Amiga | Sep 23 19:58 |
| cubexyz | not to mention zaurus | Sep 23 19:59 |
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| cubexyz | there's no way I'm going to fart around with some Linux hostile Lenovo computer | Sep 23 20:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Beginners Guide To Linux | Sep 23 20:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.about.com | A Basic Guide To Linux | Sep 23 20:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Watch The Bq M10 Ubuntu Tablet Running OTA-13 | Sep 23 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9a9VGHqcmk (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 23 20:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Watch The Bq M10 Ubuntu Tablet Running OTA-13 - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 23 20:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779470911904837632 | Sep 23 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in | Sep 23 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Damage Control’ Mode) https://t.co/uufgrXuOKF | Sep 23 20:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in ‘Damage Control’ Mode) | Techrights | Sep 23 20:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472350899089408 | Sep 23 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE and GNOME Leftovers https://t.co/M9OXf7F3E3 | Sep 23 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, John says that a passenger coming through his security line at Midway had a Yoga laptop and so he mentioned me and the guy was like "Oh, so that's who posted that!?". | Sep 23 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472351998062592 | Sep 23 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/kavxI4iJNw | Sep 23 20:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 23 20:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472352996237312 | Sep 23 20:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 23 20:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472354468503552 | Sep 23 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux on Servers https://t.co/Pfrfg6B5fp | Sep 23 20:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on Servers | Tux Machines | Sep 23 20:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Fermodymanic via /r/linux sent 30 minutes ago | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | So are you saying that there literally isn't any proof that the thread was deleted except your word? | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | All those people that were monitoring it and talking in it, and all those people that must have checked it when you made your post (and that was an incredibly high view post. It was thousands of people viewing and commenting). And yet no one else has actually confirmed that it was deleted, commented with something like "Hi, yep I just tried the link you posted and you're right, it's been deleted" | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | And in fact, the only commentary we have on it is someone pointing out that it wasn't deleted after all, a couple of hours after you posted? | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I'm not saying you're mistaken or lying because I don't really know - all I know is I turned up 4 hours into your post and two hours earlier someone had replied that they could access it fine. But I do know that in the past I've frequently gone into a rage about a mod deleting my thread and started composing a lengthy expose, only to find that, in my anger, I've done something silly and just been clicking the wrong thing and it was | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | there the whole time (or had just been moved or had some admin work done on it that made it temporarily unavailable) | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (104)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | It had actually disappeared from their forum for probably like 20-30 minutes and then it was back again. I actually went out to the Linux forum to see if the topic was even there. It had vanished. Then it came back as a locked post with Andy_Lenovo saying he had locked it to prevent abuse. (What a crock of shit, but oh well. I think most of us know Lenovo well enough to expect that from them now.) | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, no matter what you say, there will always be people who don't believe you. I mean, like 9/11 truthers. There are millions of people who don't believe that airplanes brought down the WTC towers. No matter what you say, you won't convince them otherwise. | Sep 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just glad that the percentage of people who vote down my threads are less than 1/4 of the people who bother to vote. They're a minority, and quite frankly, I'm surprised to see so much hostility for Linux and Free Software in the Linux forum. So many people defending Microsoft, Lenovo, and Intel, the three companies that are the whole reason we're here talking about the problem they handed us. There is no new Microsoft. There are only | Sep 23 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC | new lies. New tactics. They get together with Lenovo and agree on a lie to tell the news and then lean on the news to run with it. | Sep 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | "truther" analogy | Sep 23 20:12 |
| *schestowitz likes | Sep 23 20:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Actually, I'm back up to 4/5 people who vote approve of my thread. | Sep 23 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 56 minutes ago | Sep 23 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Well, some people don't believe the truth. | Sep 23 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Like the Best Buy comment from Lenovo that is still there as far as I know. I grabbed the screenshot of that because I suspected that it might be deleted later to make it seem like it never existed, but Lenovo confirmed that the comment is there when they said they had no idea who posted it. Sure they don't.... Probably the guy that they likely fired or wrote up right after saying that. | Sep 23 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | That was on the top of all that. | Sep 23 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Forgot to copy it. | Sep 23 20:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472355538051072 | Sep 23 20:17 |
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| cubexyz | that Lenovo Yoga has three strikes against it: and remove bios chip, M$ tax, can't install linux (without great effort) | Sep 23 20:18 |
| cubexyz | s/and/can't/ | Sep 23 20:19 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @rustedLuke favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 20:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/rustedLuke/status/779475292981043201 | Sep 23 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @rustedLuke #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 20:19 | |
| *cubexyz give it the doubleplusungood rating | Sep 23 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]lutusp 69 points 1 day ago | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | Quote: "Microsoft isn't anti-Linux anymore" | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | Wait, what? The fact that there's a Bash shell available for Windows 10 doesn't mean Microsoft isn't anti-Linux, any more than the fact that representatives of warring powers sit down at a peace conference together proves they aren't enemies any more. | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | This is one of the funniest things I've heard all day. | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | Who the hell would want to run the "Windows Subsystem for Linux"? Yuck. I wonder how good the compatibility or performance even is since there's no Linux kernel code in the entire stack? Microsoft re-implemented some APIs without any Linux code because they don't want to be held to the GPL. | Sep 23 20:24 |
| cubexyz | bash is GPL | Sep 23 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft loves their shitty Linux-free Linux implementation!" | Sep 23 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | What were they going to do? Rewrite all of bash? | Sep 23 20:27 |
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| cubexyz | M$ has to provide source code for it | Sep 23 20:28 |
| cubexyz | maybe they used some sort of wrapper to ELF bash? I don't know | Sep 23 20:30 |
| cubexyz | ah yes that's what they did actually | Sep 23 20:31 |
| cubexyz | not that I'm going to use it | Sep 23 20:32 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.linux.com/publications/linux-kernel-development-how-fast-it-going-who-doing-it-what-they-are-doing-and-who-5 | Sep 23 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Kernel Development: How Fast It is Going, Who is Doing It, What They are Doing, and Who is Sponsoring It [2016] | Linux.com | The source for Linux information [ http://ur1.ca/psen4 ] | Sep 23 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Intel is still in the top 10. | Sep 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was for a while when they were writing their own hyper-v driver. | Sep 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | People acted like they were making Linux better. | Sep 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3121792/open-source-tools/whos-no-1-in-open-source-microsoft.html | Sep 23 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who's No. 1 in open source? Microsoft! | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/ps5yw ] | Sep 23 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I said this guy was a problem when Canonical hired him. | Sep 23 22:04 |
| cubexyz | come on... | Sep 23 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | Matt Asay | Sep 23 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3032647/open-source-tools/face-it-theres-no-money-in-open-source.html | Sep 23 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Face it: There's no money in open source | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/oit6a ] | Sep 23 22:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat bashing. Making wild claims. | Sep 23 22:06 |
| cubexyz | I'm a stock holder, so pfffft | Sep 23 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Clickbait. Glad I use my ad blocker because it says it blocked 25 items on this site. | Sep 23 22:06 |
| cubexyz | sysadmin jobs? | Sep 23 22:07 |
| cubexyz | ok, well give "info"world a miss | Sep 23 22:08 |
| cubexyz | lots of ways to make money with FOSS | Sep 23 22:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.osdisc.com sells CDs and DVDs with exactly that | Sep 23 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OSDisc.com - Buy Linux CDs, DVDs, USB Flash Drives, Books, Software Repositories - Your source for open source. | Sep 23 22:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Not with the software itself, usually, but there are business models that make money with open source. Lots of money. | Sep 23 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | He's just clickbaiting. He's a charlatan. | Sep 23 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | He didn't last too long at Canonical. Still uses it on his resume. He's like the open source world version of Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. | Sep 23 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | They hire him and then find out he can't actually do anything useful and it's all a deception. | Sep 23 22:28 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Lenovos-Signature-Edition-hold-Superfish-heavy-RAID | Sep 24 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/3123113/windows-pcs/impending-cumulative-updates-unnerve-windows-patch-experts.html | Sep 24 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | Individual patches for Windows 7 and 8.1 are coming to an end, meaning that you will have to install several hundred MB megapatches, Windows 10 style, and hope they don't break something important. | Sep 24 00:42 |
| cubexyz | I hear we actually have something like transparent aluminium now | Sep 24 00:46 |
| cubexyz | magnesium aluminate | Sep 24 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Sep 24 00:48 |
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| r_schestowitz | [03:04] <DaemonFC> I said this guy was a problem when Canonical hired him. | Sep 24 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Mac Asay, yes | Sep 24 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Red Hat folks call him Asayroll | Sep 24 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | as in troll | Sep 24 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | That was years ago, I don't think they even mention him anymore | Sep 24 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | His blog posts all seem to be the same thing. | Sep 24 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | he used to work for Novell, also applied for a job at Microsoft | Sep 24 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I think even they rejected him as an applicant | Sep 24 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat bashing followed by "No money in open source." | Sep 24 02:28 |
| r_schestowitz | now at Adobe, I suppose still | Sep 24 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | Put it in a blender, change the title, hit Submit | Sep 24 02:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he doesn't write the titles | Sep 24 02:28 |
| r_schestowitz | editors typically do | Sep 24 02:28 |
| r_schestowitz | in The Register they used pretty bad headlines for him | Sep 24 02:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he blocked me in Twitter after I had criticised him | Sep 24 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | very thin skinned, I didn't even speak to him | Sep 24 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | we were like online friends a decade ago | Sep 24 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | back then he was a GPL proponent | Sep 24 02:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Then, later on, he.....changed | Sep 24 02:31 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:00] <DaemonFC> Microsoft was for a while when they were writing their own hyper-v driver. | Sep 24 02:33 |
| r_schestowitz | it's worse than you put it | Sep 24 02:33 |
| r_schestowitz | to rebutal their lies | Sep 24 02:33 |
| r_schestowitz | tell them MS pushed, temporarily: | Sep 24 02:34 |
| r_schestowitz | 1. proprietary software crap | Sep 24 02:34 |
| r_schestowitz | hyperv http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Sep 24 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/cpdmt ] | Sep 24 02:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | 2. it was initially a GPL violation | Sep 24 02:34 |
| r_schestowitz | ! | Sep 24 02:34 |
| r_schestowitz | See http://techrights.org/2009/07/24/microsoft-gpl-compliance/ | Sep 24 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Claims GPL Compliance Came Before Any Violation Claims | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e2 ] | Sep 24 02:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/08/01/groklaw-on-microsoft-gpl-violations/ | Sep 24 02:35 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/07/28/microsoft-violation-of-the-gplv2/ | Sep 24 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Groklaw on Microsoft’s GPL Violation and Microsoft on the GPL | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e0 ] | Sep 24 02:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Did Violate the GPLv2 | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e4 ] | Sep 24 02:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | "to rebuttal">"to rebut" | Sep 24 02:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I see this lie a lot | Sep 24 02:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I can't believe the Linux camp has this many "useful idiots" | Sep 24 02:36 |
| r_schestowitz | there's also a 3. | Sep 24 02:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft poorly maintain the code for proprorietary code it had pushed in | Sep 24 02:39 |
| r_schestowitz | (with back doors) | Sep 24 02:39 |
| r_schestowitz | and Greg K-H publicly complained about it | Sep 24 02:39 |
| r_schestowitz | so the code was more of a curse than a blessing for 3 reasons, DaemonFC | Sep 24 02:39 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874537 | Sep 24 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardly surprised that a #microsoft and #uefi apologist wrote this http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html see techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ #lenovo #gnu #linux | Sep 24 02:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 24 02:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "They have a near infinite cash sink, they can make anyone write anything. They underestimate us." | Sep 24 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | "Dafuq you just wrote. Matthew is the first who opposed UEFI but ended up writing code so Linux can get installed on new hardware and not crying as you two. Man even got award for such thing and is on board of FSF directors sperheading a lot of Free software advocacy in more ways than most. What did you two do for Free software? Btw, Matthew works for CoreOS as Security Engineer, also showed the golden key exploits really works for UEFI - | Sep 24 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so Microsft is not his deal…" | Sep 24 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor "Hanlon’s razor perhaps applies to Lenovo’s actions here." | Sep 24 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwu ] | Sep 24 02:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | I publicly opposed the way FSF treated Matthew at the time, for reason I explained in many articles. I don't view him as a friend of FOSS. | Sep 24 02:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7882420 | Sep 24 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo #intel & #microsoft are now fighting among each other over who's to blame for blocking #gnu #linux and #unix (they're all complicit) | Sep 24 02:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor" | Sep 24 02:56 |
| r_schestowitz | "They are not blocking Linux, it’s worse, they are blocking Free Software." | Sep 24 02:56 |
| r_schestowitz | UNIX too | Sep 24 02:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7876153 | Sep 24 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux "lockout" tangle snarls Lenovo http://boingboing.net/2016/09/21/lenovo-reportedly-has-agreem.html #gnu #linux #vista10 #uefi #microsoft #lenovo | Sep 24 02:56 | |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m worried about the false narrative implications of this one. Apparently, this was a hybrid attack where UEFI implemented an older style hostile hardware denial of gnu/linux. The apologists are ignoring UEFI to give us the decades old excuse, “Those hobbyists just aren’t in the loop and don’t have the drivers for this one.” That false perception can mask more deliberate attacks in the future if people let their guard down. | Sep 24 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | UEFI is Microsoft’s infrastructure to nuke gnu/linux but they can’t do it all at once. They can mess with people even if they no longer run Windows, and even if Windows was never installed, because UEFI is network aware. They can identify gnu/linux users with the same infrastructure Edward Snowden showed us the NSA and Microsoft contractors used to identify “sysadmins”. The two combined give Microsoft the ability to launch denial | Sep 24 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | of service attacks that will be hard to detect. Extra vigilance is called for by anyone who’s trying to run free software on top of UEFI. | Sep 24 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Those are the crap models of "Signature" PC on sale. | Sep 24 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | You can't do anything with them. Probably clearing stock. Doubt it has anything to do with something I said. | Sep 24 02:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Matthew Garrett jumps to Microsoft and Intel’s defense, how sickening. | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft and Intel made this awful UEFI for the sole purpose of controlling what gets booted. Even Garrett admits the implementation does little or nothing for actual security. The implementation did make booting GNU/Linux much harder and make doing so almost pointless. UEFI is a complete, non free OS that can betray the user no matter what software the user “chooses” from the list of allowed operating systems. Microsoft can withdraw | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | their key at anytime, for any reason which will nuke your ability to boot gnu/linux. For people that value their freedom, that might be better than running on top of UEFI. | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Given that reality, it beggars imagination that Garrett would say, “Neither interpretation [of Lenovo’s Microsoft Lock Down Agreement] indicates that there’s a deliberate attempt to prevent users from installing their choice of operating system.” He reaches this conclusion by saying the equipment won’t run without good power management, that not many people want to run GNU/Linux anyway, and that, “there are several free | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | operating systems that support UEFI Secure Boot and have appropriate signatures.” Wow, just wow. He’ll probably use the same logic when all hardware is like this shit because nothing reasonable has been made in seven years. Because, Microsoft made installing free software extremely difficult and mostly pointless on such hardware, he can conclude they never intended to block free software. All evidence of success at blocking free | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | software is turned into Microsoft and Intel defense. | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | This is a new low for Garrett. | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | ' | Sep 24 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | I agree, disturbing to see so many people defending him and FSF giving him an award. He helped popularise UEFI 'secure' boot with shim | Sep 24 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, How did he get the software freedom award in 2013? | Sep 24 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: it profoundly changed Lenovo this past week | Sep 24 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | they hoped for puff "yoga" pieces | Sep 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any changes. | Sep 24 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | instead if was all negative publicity everywhere | Sep 24 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | if you look at Google new, the negatives outnumber the positive by a factor of about 7:1 | Sep 24 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know | Sep 24 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I opposed the FSF on this | Sep 24 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I think that's the first time I disagreed with the FSF, and strongly | Sep 24 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | remember he also helped Drama Queen Sarah Sharp | Sep 24 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | and then slagged off GNU/Linux | Sep 24 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | in favour of BSD | Sep 24 03:00 |
| r_schestowitz | he calls himself "SJW" and has a flair to that effect in reddit | Sep 24 03:01 |
| r_schestowitz | he uses a lot of bad language and insults | Sep 24 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Do you know anyone else that could write a patch and get it mainlined to kick these fake raid Ultrabooks out of RAID and into AHCI mode after the BIOS exits? | Sep 24 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that Garrett is....reliable. He might do something, so he can praise himself for it. | Sep 24 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't care why as long as it worked and made it into the upstream kernel somehow. | Sep 24 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think the only reason he wrote that patch for the G33M-S Foxconn board was to show that he could do it with two lines of code and then say "See, look. Happens all the time. No sabotage here!". | Sep 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | The problem only took two lines of code to fix once it was known what the problem was, but it was copying undocumented Windows behavior that fixed it. | Sep 24 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | And no telling how many systems had that bugged BIOS (Foxconn makes boards for many vendors). | Sep 24 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | People install Linux, go "Huh....broked." and leave. | Sep 24 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | *broken | Sep 24 03:18 |
| r_schestowitz | agreed | Sep 24 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | but anyway, I don't engage with him directly much | Sep 24 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | he's not a pleasant person | Sep 24 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | he commented many times in techrights | Sep 24 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | reasoning with him is like debating a religious person about "Creation" | Sep 24 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | you think you make a compelling argument | Sep 24 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | but the coin never falls in | Sep 24 03:26 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I didn't think he was. Usually people who have to resort to calling other people something like "awful humans" aren't. :P | Sep 24 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | Especially over something so silly as gamergate. | Sep 24 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | It was. It was silly. | Sep 24 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think the "game" Depression Quest was possibly the worst thing I've ever spent time reasing about. | Sep 24 03:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @Hamid_446 http://twitter.com/Hamid_446/status/779583986804948992 | Sep 24 03:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines why only 4 toes in gnome? | Sep 24 03:47 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I have seen worse than that from him | Sep 24 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Linu kernel fork....lol | Sep 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | *Linux | Sep 24 03:53 |
| schestowitz | can't be bothered to look it up (swear words) | Sep 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | He is a very abusive person. | Sep 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | Typical SJW. | Sep 24 03:53 |
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| schestowitz | me: "Trying to reproduce this on several of my desktops/laptops and Android devices, I have no success. I don't have any iOS/Mac OS X devices. Do we know of any non-Apple platform where these errors appear? Browsershots shows many results for many browsers, but it does not do Macs, either." | Sep 24 04:07 |
| schestowitz | some client having issues with certs only on Apple stuff | Sep 24 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 24 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Why doesn't Microsoft just implement manual driver overrides so horrible kludges like putting it in fake RAID mode so the generic driver doesn't load aren't necessary? Linux supports this. Why doesn't Windows? | Sep 24 04:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RiCHi/status/779599479108493312 | Sep 24 04:35 |
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| schestowitz | theguardian puts this in the source of all pages now: | Sep 24 04:47 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/ricare/status/779618060630167552 | Sep 24 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Ubuntu Online Summit for Ubuntu 17.04 to Take Place | Sep 24 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ricare November 15-16, 2016 https://t.co/RFjleDQ1bF | Sep 24 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 24 05:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Online Summit for Ubuntu 17.04 to Take Place November 15-16, 2016 | Sep 24 05:51 | |
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| cubexyz | trying to clipboard some text, ended up using lynx to do it | Sep 24 05:58 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @dimkatsi77 favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 06:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779626667371180032 | Sep 24 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LXQt 0.11 https://t.co/3wBdgj9l35 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LXQt 0.11 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779626668528775169 | Sep 24 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apricity OS 09.2016 Release https://t.co/t86mmqeuqh | Sep 24 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 06:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Apricity OS 09.2016 Release | Tux Machines | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @GNOME_Mcr followed @tuxmachines | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @GNOME_Mcr favourited '#gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew' | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 06:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/GNOME_Mcr/status/779631189590237184 | Sep 24 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove | Sep 24 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @GNOME_Mcr https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 07:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @novakhonza_cz favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 07:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @FullSpecCyber favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 07:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Opropst favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 07:23 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7883697 | Sep 24 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer the #GNOME 3.22 Desktop http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-tumbleweed-is-the-first-linux-distro-to-offer-the-gnome-3-22-desktop-508600.shtml | Sep 24 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunately, that’s only half of the truth. Because of Bug https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000878 a couple of GNOME 3.22 applications didn’t find the way into tumbleweed at the moment. So, it’s only a half GNOME 3.22 in tumbleweed at the moment." | Sep 24 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | openSUSE Tumbleweed Is the First Stable Distro to Offer the GNOME 3.22 Desktop - Updated | Sep 24 07:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.opensuse.org | Bug 1000878 – gnome-software was not updated together with GNOME 3.22 in Tumbleweed snapshot | Sep 24 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting, maybe somewhat of a publicity stunt then | Sep 24 07:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jjardon/status/778290685921271808 | Sep 24 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjardon: Brilliant @mjg59 talk at @LASGNOME ; I actually started to use Libre software more because I felt "safer" using it https://t.co/azKQQ7OH3w | Sep 24 07:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjardon: Brilliant @mjg59 talk at @LASGNOME ; I actually started to use Libre software more because I felt "safer" using it https://t.co/azKQQ7OH3w | Sep 24 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | daemonfc should see this | Sep 24 07:53 |
| schestowitz | the UEFI apologist | Sep 24 07:53 |
| cubexyz | mjg59 isn't a coreboot developer | Sep 24 08:31 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't put too much stock in what he has to say about coreboot | Sep 24 08:31 |
| Tervy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/23/capcom_street_fighter_v/ | Sep 24 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Double KO! Capcom's Street Fighter V installs hidden rootkit on PCs • The Register | Sep 24 08:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/ptheoiasptk/status/779657647607930880 | Sep 24 08:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer | Sep 24 08:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ptheoiasptk the #GNOME 3.22 Desktop https://t.co/I6SQDC0u6E | Sep 24 08:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 24 08:32 |
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| cubexyz | you can ask the coreboot people questions directly via #coreboot | Sep 24 08:32 |
| Tervy | dunno if the link was related to chat but i thought its close enough what comes to bad practices | Sep 24 08:34 |
| cubexyz | of course you can't just slap coreboot on anything | Sep 24 08:35 |
| cubexyz | there's one exception to the chromebook using coreboot... | Sep 24 08:43 |
| cubexyz | the CR48 prototype didn't use coreboot | Sep 24 08:43 |
| cubexyz | and some of the ARM chromebooks use uboot | Sep 24 08:44 |
| cubexyz | so it's far less work to do the chromebook/box thing and use crouton | Sep 24 08:48 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Vitexus favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 08:50 | |
| schestowitz | Tervy: sony-like baheviour | Sep 24 08:52 |
| schestowitz | behaviour | Sep 24 08:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's a Japanese thing, rooting people's PCs and having a play on them | Sep 24 08:52 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the DRAM controller itself is under NDA... a bit tricky! | Sep 24 08:55 |
| cubexyz | the poor ol' bestbuy lackey isn't going to know that | Sep 24 08:56 |
| cubexyz | I've set up one machine just for studying coreboot and it's two branches: | Sep 24 08:58 |
| cubexyz | 3rd-party (google) and regular | Sep 24 08:58 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @_alfalco favourited '#openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to...' | Sep 24 09:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zdjnbu/status/779668100560130048 | Sep 24 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zdjnbu: Could #google kill off #twitter like it did with #jaiku and numerous other services? https://t.co/mG8Zh2IEXV | Sep 24 09:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #twitter has nothing but network effect. Buying it is a waste. It's like #microsoft buying #skype - utter failure. https://t.co/1hwtZ1rcWV | Sep 24 09:07 | |
| cubexyz | Ron Minnich is one of coreboot's primary developers... and he was quite happy with google's chromebooks | Sep 24 09:09 |
| cubexyz | you can listen to his talk on linux luddites here: | Sep 24 09:11 |
| cubexyz | https://linuxluddites.com/shows/episode-49/ | Sep 24 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxluddites.com | Episode #49 | Linux Luddites | Sep 24 09:11 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @MachSonicCru favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779670305950339073 | Sep 24 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google tweets that it's 'whipping up something sweet' in | Sep 24 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | honor of Android's birthday https://t.co/EZgjXuoDNq | Sep 24 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.greenbot.com) | Sep 24 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google tweets that it's 'whipping up something sweet' in honor of Android's birthday | Greenbot | Sep 24 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779670631357054976 | Sep 24 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Report: Android 7.1 and Pixel Launcher will support 3D | Sep 24 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Touch inspired shortcuts https://t.co/iH35L7jq4v | Sep 24 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Sep 24 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report: Android 7.1 and Pixel Launcher will support 3D Touch inspired shortcuts | PCWorld | Sep 24 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779673741123055616 | Sep 24 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 now released in Indonesia | Sep 24 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YEgoVAM77c (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 24 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 now released in Indonesia - Tizen Experts | Sep 24 09:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779675989702021120 | Sep 24 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Xiaomi's Android TV box showed up at a Walmart for $69 | Sep 24 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/t4QXTCNXrD (www.engadget.com) | Sep 24 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Xiaomi's Android TV box showed up at a Walmart for $69 | Sep 24 09:50 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @GasssTn favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779679319996137472 | Sep 24 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile | Sep 24 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | G1, celebrate their 8th birthdays today | Sep 24 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/g58XP2y6xU (www.androidpolice.com) | Sep 24 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile G1, celebrate their 8th birthdays today | Sep 24 09:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @elbekgt favourited 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 09:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @elbekgt retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 09:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin favourited 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 09:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 09:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/dansker6/status/779680684038316032 | Sep 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @dansker6 #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 09:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 24 10:03 | |
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| MinceR | http://prebake.eu/ | Sep 24 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prebake.eu | Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock | Sep 24 10:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/josanneves/status/779685150615539712 | Sep 24 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @josanneves #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 10:34 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/saladinahmed/status/728061231786041344 | Sep 24 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saladinahmed: DONALD TRUMP AND TED CRUZ is an anagram of TURD TZAR AND CLONED DUMP | Sep 24 10:44 | |
| MinceR | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k2Jj2dXyZJI/V-LkKfv03_I/AAAAAAAAf0Q/Rkgfj2HOHfY5n9d7hrJIS3EhOeKgocqbgCLcB/s1600/awesome-picture-3.jpg | Sep 24 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | namechange? | Sep 24 10:49 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/dinosaurs | Sep 24 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dinosaurs [ http://ur1.ca/pshvz ] | Sep 24 11:28 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @LindseyNaticchi favourited '#gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew' | Sep 24 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 11:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/779707599423889412 | Sep 24 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz hate speech is part of free speech, no? | Sep 24 11:47 | |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V | Sep 24 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RISC-V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 24 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | There's an asterisk on free speech when politicians use the term, e.g. to berate other countries | Sep 24 11:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-problems | Sep 24 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley Problems | Sep 24 12:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Bouguikk favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 12:16 | |
| Renard | hope they're planning to create a UI that actually can fit on screens this release | Sep 24 12:16 |
| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ogh-1.jpg | Sep 24 12:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good ones, thanks | Sep 24 12:30 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 24 12:30 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @enidoShatro favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/boguszmichal/status/779722769122652161 | Sep 24 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @boguszmichal #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 12:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 12:46 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Jan_Beutgen favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 12:46 | |
| schestowitz | Released Late on a Friday, EPO Social 'Study' Attempts to Blame Staff for Everything http://techrights.org/2016/09/24/epo-social-study-late-friday/ … | Sep 24 12:48 |
| schestowitz | i reused some text, unusually (for me) | Sep 24 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Released Late on a Friday, EPO Social ‘Study’ (Battistelli-Commissioned Propaganda) Attempts to Blame Staff for Everything | Techrights | Sep 24 12:48 | |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2016/07/14/make-mars-great-again/ | Sep 24 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pidjin.net | Make Mars great again - Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/psi82 ] | Sep 24 12:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/cho2MLHC/status/779732648881115136 | Sep 24 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @cho2MLHC #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 13:22 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/humans | Sep 24 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Humans | Sep 24 13:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/cho2MLHC/status/779732667109474304 | Sep 24 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j | Sep 24 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @cho2MLHC (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeparty #gnomelove #codethink | Sep 24 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 24 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734786520645632 | Sep 24 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen News https://t.co/oHNhyk6L3y (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen News | Tux Machines | Sep 24 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734787648913410 | Sep 24 13:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat News https://t.co/D5kQCB4dKM | Sep 24 13:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Sep 24 13:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734788877844480 | Sep 24 13:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/EG33Z04P9U | Sep 24 13:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 24 13:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734789892878336 | Sep 24 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/lWFtGKABNJ | Sep 24 13:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 24 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734790861828096 | Sep 24 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.7.5 https://t.co/KuaZJpo5Qx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.7.5 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 13:35 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVVNuraly8&feature=youtu.be | Sep 24 13:37 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/szetnRM.gifv | Sep 24 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Sep 24 13:42 | |
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| MinceR | http://theralphretort.com/youtube-heroes-program-makes-censorship-role-playing-game/ | Sep 24 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theralphretort.com | YouTube "Heroes" Program Makes Censorship Into a Role-Playing Game | Sep 24 14:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/codethink/status/779742325799063552 | Sep 24 14:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove | Sep 24 14:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @codethink https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 14:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 14:01 | |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/UChND | Sep 24 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gif it a whirl - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 14:15 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: those videos are mp4s | Sep 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | I guess mozilla paid mpeg-la for this | Sep 24 14:27 |
| schestowitz | and now tey spread this crap as embedded | Sep 24 14:28 |
| schestowitz | instead of FOSS things like vp9 or ogg | Sep 24 14:28 |
| schestowitz | or even GIF | Sep 24 14:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 24 14:28 |
| MinceR | and the w3c rubberstamped it too | Sep 24 14:28 |
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| r_schestowitz | yes, sad.... and it's treated like business as usual now because even the FOSS browser, Firefox, support it now. and DRM (EME) also, starting with last week's release | Sep 24 14:43 |
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| r_schestowitz | IRC been funky this morning (early) and again now | Sep 24 14:43 |
| r_schestowitz | I think it's the freenode network | Sep 24 14:43 |
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| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> yes, sad.... and it's treated like business as usual now because even the FOSS browser, Firefox, support it now. and DRM (EME) also, starting with last week's release | Sep 24 14:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> IRC been funky this morning (early) and again now | Sep 24 14:50 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> I think it's the freenode network | Sep 24 14:50 |
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| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/2016/09/21/photographer-travels-to-famous-landmarks-faces-wrong-direction/ | Sep 24 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Photographer Travels to Famous Landmarks, Faces Wrong Direction – Pleated-Jeans.com [ http://ur1.ca/psio8 ] | Sep 24 14:52 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/779756143396519936 | Sep 24 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Expose how top UK Labour Party officials tried to rig the leadership contest https://t.co/5A7F59sxCj #LabourLeaks… https://t.co/EmkjUrzXav | Sep 24 14:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wikileaks.org/WikiLeaks-offers-award-for-LabourLeaks.html ) | Sep 24 14:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Expose how top UK Labour Party officials tried to rig the leadership contest https://t.co/5A7F59sxCj #LabourLeaks… https://t.co/EmkjUrzXav | Sep 24 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ElinaBeauchamp/status/779755982981177344 https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779756570854830081 | Sep 24 14:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ElinaBeauchamp: Indeed https://t.co/bisbWePHNk | Sep 24 14:59 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #labourpurge is a lot like what #dncleaks proved https://t.co/8Dz5iNTHPJ | Sep 24 14:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: @schestowitz @BLongStPaul @DrJillStein @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump who are you for prez? | Sep 24 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | Can vote in the US... | Sep 24 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | Cannot vote in the US... | Sep 24 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779758291727429632 | Sep 24 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: Who do you support for Prez? https://t.co/0vtFRrW2Pp | Sep 24 15:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @AmyLoveanpeace @BLongStPaul @DrJillStein @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump Cannot vote in the US... | Sep 24 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | Greens | Sep 24 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779760967659814913 | Sep 24 15:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: Feel the jill!:) https://t.co/MSxBuIrXRf | Sep 24 15:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @AmyLoveanpeace Greens | Sep 24 15:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54by6w/leah_rowe_drama_queen_pretending_there_is/ | Sep 24 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | I posted that in response to another Reddit post bashing Richard Stallman for "refusing to let Libreboot go". | Sep 24 16:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779780335856918528 | Sep 24 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/ppgaVgFwQt | Sep 24 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 16:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779783461993385984 | Sep 24 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.7.5 https://t.co/Ll62NtQpzj (lwn.net) Linux | Sep 24 16:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Libreboot Drama Continues, GNU Might Keep The Project | Sep 24 16:48 |
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| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks | Sep 24 17:19 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I imagined you'd be more sympathetic to Leah | Sep 24 17:20 |
| r_schestowitz | as you're gay | Sep 24 17:20 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Libreboot-Drama-Continues | Sep 24 17:21 |
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| DaemonFC | It has nothing to do with the project, it's speculation and presumption of guilt, and it goes against pretty much every statement that RMS has made publicly. | Sep 24 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be sympathetic if it was much more believable. | Sep 24 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that the bbuck stopped with RMS regarding the firing decision and there was probably a good reason for it, and there are lots of reasons that they might not want to talk about it. | Sep 24 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Potential EEOC lawsuit or something. The first advice any good lawyer will give the client is shut up in case this goes to court later. | Sep 24 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779789795644084224 | Sep 24 17:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 17:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 24 17:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | Also, they're in Massachusetts so there's likeely potential for a state civil rights complaint too. | Sep 24 17:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I knew pregnancy could be a huge liability in situations like these | Sep 24 17:27 |
| r_schestowitz | there's a whole movie based on that concept | Sep 24 17:28 |
| r_schestowitz | of a woman faking being pregnant to avoid getting fired | Sep 24 17:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I forget the name of it | Sep 24 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | Really a lot of the time a person gets fired and files a civil rights complaint it's just because it's an easy way to get revenge on their former employer. | Sep 24 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's one of the most abused area of employment law. | Sep 24 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Yeah. It happened to Chipotle. | Sep 24 17:29 |
| r_schestowitz | it's a good think we don't plan to have kids | Sep 24 17:29 |
| r_schestowitz | I think my employer (also hers) is happier that way | Sep 24 17:30 |
| r_schestowitz | some people view it as an advantage, but it can be a liability | Sep 24 17:30 |
| r_schestowitz | being LGBT or pregnant | Sep 24 17:30 |
| r_schestowitz | as it can discourage hiring and keeping in some circumstances, the perception of risk (like paid leave or lawsuit) | Sep 24 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | or garden leave in some other cases | Sep 24 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | BTW, freenode is under ddos | Sep 24 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | so might not be reliable this evening | Sep 24 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 24 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54by6w/leah_rowe_drama_queen_pretending_there_is/ | Sep 24 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | I posted a thread about this. The appalling lack off professionalism by people such as Leah Rowe is one of the reasons why companies don't want to partner with Free Software projects, I'm sure. You get poisonous SJWs in a lot of high places, and their histrionics are a poor advertisement for the Free Software movement. | Sep 24 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Leah Rowe = drama queen. Pretending there is consensus among Libreboot developers with the word "we" and abusing project website. : linux [ http://ur1.ca/psj7g ] | Sep 24 17:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | To some extent, they get away with it because they are qualified to work on that level, but nobody likes them. | Sep 24 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/545fip/dont_expect_an_opensource_nvidia_vulkan_driver/d7zltt6 | Sep 24 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Don't Expect An Open-Source NVIDIA Vulkan Driver Anytime Soon [ http://ur1.ca/psj8e ] | Sep 24 17:40 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 3 minutes ago* | Sep 24 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | You haven't had Nvidia's proprietary driver crash your system that you know of. I'm sure you're an expert at tracing errors back to the component that caused them... | Sep 24 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Almost every Linux distribution disables kernel debugging and won't let you file bug reports if you have Nvidia loaded because systems with proprietary graphics drivers crash way more than systems without them and developers are sick of wasting time finding out it's our friend the Nvidia driver again and that there is no way to fix it. | Sep 24 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Since the X.org server is tainted as well, and it handles keyboard input, the Nvidia driver turned out to be why my keyboard would stop working occasionally while I had Nvidia loaded. Finally I just got rid of Nvidia because I was tired of it causing seemingly random problems throughout my OS. | Sep 24 17:43 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: what about ati (especially with their nonfree driver)? | Sep 24 18:02 |
| MinceR | free software wasn't infested with crybullies until recently | Sep 24 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54cbss/lenovo_deleted_a_link_to_a_petition_to_the/ | Sep 24 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | I also linked to the petition in all of my Lenovo posts | Sep 24 18:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | 09-24-2016 08:49 AM - edited 09-24-2016 08:50 AM | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Moderator comment: A Post which did not conform with the Community Rules has been removed. No campaigning. | Sep 24 18:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | 09-24-2016 03:01 PM - edited 09-24-2016 03:08 PM | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm assuming you are talking about the petition to Lenovo to quit blocking Linux in the BIOS. | Sep 24 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 24 18:10 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo doesn't want another embarrassment if the petition takes off, I'm sure. | Sep 24 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 24 18:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I went ahead and added a link to all of my Reddit posts about Lenovo and made a new Reddit post about the petition. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and have a nice day. | Sep 24 18:10 |
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| DaemonFC | https://twitter.com/ZomgPinkPonies/status/779806760378871808 | Sep 24 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZomgPinkPonies: #Lenovo: Demand that Lenovo provide Bios update to enable Linux Installation - Sign the Petition! https://t.co/WfFj6sNKd3 via @Change | Sep 24 18:17 | |
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| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.net/2016/09/21/18-people-who-are-absolutely-100-done-with-2016/ | Sep 24 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.net | 18 People Who Are Absolutely, 100% Done With 2016 – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 24 18:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, I edited it. | Sep 24 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Edit: Because the "Linux lacks drivers" myth won't die, let me say this again... | Sep 24 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | That's simply not true. That's Lenovo+Microsoft's party line. The fake RAID is for Windows so it doesn't load a driver with bad power management, because Windows doesn't have any other driver override support. If they unhide AHCI mode, Linux would install. Power policy on Linux is not dictated by some insane hack meant for Windows. Once Linux is running, Linux developers could fine tune the power policy independent of the storage controller | Sep 24 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | mode. The two are separate issues. Totally not related. Lenovo and Microsoft are lying. | Sep 24 19:03 |
| MinceR | https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14446188_1093302797457859_3964273510052939732_n.jpg?oh=4768fd8ab0830e5d3d86a33a93a731df&oe=5879939E | Sep 24 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Also, here's a screenshot of their moderator's comment on removing the forum link because if you don't document things, Lenovo tends to go back and delete them and then people say "Where's your proof?". | Sep 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://imgur.com/a/NAEm5 | Sep 24 19:05 |
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| DaemonFC | We should carefully document all of Lenovo's behavior so there is record of what they do, the lies they tell, etc. | Sep 24 19:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 24 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab dinner | Sep 24 19:07 |
| MinceR | looks like they want to dig themselves as deep as they can | Sep 24 19:07 |
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| DaemonFC | I posted Lenovo's customer service number and how to get directly to an agent in my Reddit threads so that they can get feedback from their valued customers. | Sep 24 20:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 24 20:58 |
| MinceR | i think they got all the feedback they cared for from their valued microsoft | Sep 24 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I hope they get flooded with calls. Wish I found the number the other day. | Sep 24 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Customer service ffilibuster. | Sep 24 21:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 24 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | *filibuster | Sep 24 21:06 |
| MinceR | the market economy fails again, businesses don't give a shit about what their customers want | Sep 24 21:07 |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3438016#M8440 | Sep 24 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | I posted Lenovo's customer service number and how to get directly to an agent in my Reddit threads so that they can get feedback from their valued customers. | Sep 24 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 24 21:10 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo Customer Service 800-565-3344 | Sep 24 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Press 2 for all other models and then wait through the recording and press 1 for laptops. | Sep 24 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 24 21:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 29 - Lenovo Community | Sep 24 21:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I know that a company that prides itself on excellent customer service would love the opportunity to gain the feedback and insight of the communities that they serve. | Sep 24 21:10 |
| cubexyz | so Lenovo actually fixed the BIOS? | Sep 24 21:29 |
| MinceR | lenovo saying "Solved" doesn't mean jack shit | Sep 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | >In order that others are able to find this statement easier, when searching, I am marking this post as the solution | Sep 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | the statement is worthless | Sep 24 21:30 |
| cubexyz | so no then | Sep 24 21:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm not seeing a fix | Sep 24 21:32 |
| cubexyz | did they mean the hardware hack is the solution? | Sep 24 21:42 |
| cubexyz | I don't understand what the solution was/is | Sep 24 21:42 |
| MinceR | one solution is to hack the firmware so it lets you select AHCI in the setup | Sep 24 21:44 |
| MinceR | another solution is to hack the kernel so it forces AHCI mode on boot (apparently the uefi firmware won't reset the setting then) | Sep 24 21:44 |
| MinceR | yet another solution is to buy some other laptop | Sep 24 21:44 |
| MinceR | and yet another solution is to glass redmond, preferably when the oligarchs are there | Sep 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | or just let the human species exterminate itself finally | Sep 24 21:45 |
| cubexyz | and it appears the European versions of the problem Yoga latops don't have AHCI mode hidden in the BIOS | Sep 24 21:51 |
| cubexyz | and there's no reason to lock out AHCI say the experts, hmmmm | Sep 24 21:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779861866747047936 | Sep 24 21:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | digiKam 5.2.0 is published... https://t.co/TboQtDYCSz | Sep 24 21:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | digiKam 5.2.0 is published... | Tux Machines | Sep 24 21:55 | |
| cubexyz | if there's a kernel hack/patch for this I haven't seen it anywhere | Sep 24 21:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC mentioned getting garrett to write one | Sep 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | He said he'd look into it. I haven't heard anything more. | Sep 24 21:57 |
| cubexyz | the BIOS locking out AHCI only in North American markets stinks | Sep 24 22:00 |
| cubexyz | at least for us in North America | Sep 24 22:01 |
| MinceR | oh, i guess yet another solution would be adapting the existing driver in Linux to also recognize the mangled device id | Sep 24 22:02 |
| cubexyz | could you hang a USB hard drive on it and boot from that? I guess not? | Sep 24 22:03 |
| MinceR | almost certainly | Sep 24 22:04 |
| MinceR | unless uefi gets in the way, of course | Sep 24 22:04 |
| cubexyz | it sounds like it was pretty well locked down in various ways | Sep 24 22:04 |
| MinceR | (which is, admittedly, all uefi exists to do) | Sep 24 22:04 |
| cubexyz | remember that guy Joachim Kempin was "hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-linux... they should do a delicate dance" | Sep 24 22:05 |
| cubexyz | but the fact that the EURO version works and the NA one doesn't means that M$ has more control closer to home | Sep 24 22:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779861867850104832 | Sep 24 22:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo G50 & CentOS 7.2 MATE - Fairly solid | Sep 24 22:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7N88KGViX2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 22:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo G50 & CentOS 7.2 MATE - Fairly solid | Tux Machines | Sep 24 22:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779861868911276032 | Sep 24 22:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/yxjvmYssj2 | Sep 24 22:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 24 22:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779861870014451712 | Sep 24 22:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Leftovers https://t.co/tvg0rjJfHF | Sep 24 22:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 24 22:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779861871016894465 | Sep 24 22:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google may unveil merged Android and Chrome OS, dubbed | Sep 24 22:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Andromeda, at event https://t.co/gTzxrUuP88 | Sep 24 22:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 22:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google may unveil merged Android and Chrome OS, dubbed Andromeda, at event | Tux Machines | Sep 24 22:08 | |
| cubexyz | but it's probably better to avoid the whole thing... I was going to suggest using flashing the Yoga with the Euro version of the BIOS but who knows if that would work | Sep 24 22:10 |
| cubexyz | the unsocketed BIOS chip makes experiments of that nature very risky | Sep 24 22:10 |
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| DaemonFC | cubexyz, THat report turned out to be wrong. | Sep 24 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Users in several European countries said theirs has the missing AHCI too. | Sep 24 22:13 |
| cubexyz | ok, good to know | Sep 24 22:13 |
| cubexyz | I'd still like to know if the boot from USB is possible though | Sep 24 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, it is. | Sep 24 22:54 |
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| MinceR | systemd's a cancer / it's a forced companion / you can feel it everywhere | Sep 24 23:28 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @HTwood96 favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 23:48 | |
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| cubexyz | I got chrome and firefox version 43.0 on the P4 box but it's not the speediest thing | Sep 18 00:01 |
| cubexyz | the chromebook self-updates | Sep 18 00:04 |
| cubexyz | it's currently chrome 52.0 | Sep 18 00:04 |
| cubexyz | text on a CRT seems easier to read | Sep 18 00:05 |
| cubexyz | better contrast I think | Sep 18 00:05 |
| MinceR | 17 224948 < DaemonFC> Eventually everything on Youtube will probably be DRM encumbered, or at least "premium content". | Sep 18 00:11 |
| MinceR | yes, and if someone makes a free sw browser compatible with web DRM, they'll get sued | Sep 18 00:11 |
| MinceR | or if they do that _and_ the browser isn't locked/dumbed down enough | Sep 18 00:12 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/Nk69ih7l.jpg | Sep 18 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 18 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | Shared that on Facebook. | Sep 18 00:32 |
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| MinceR | https://www.nnsquad.org/archives/nnsquad/msg07079.html | Sep 18 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nnsquad.org | [ NNSquad ] Skype changes under Microsoft, and not for the better | Sep 18 00:59 | |
| MinceR | >triggered | Sep 18 00:59 |
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| cubexyz | Mike Pence == Robert Kelly :) | Sep 18 01:42 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, not everything is going to be DRM encumbered on youtube | Sep 18 01:45 |
| cubexyz | my stuff obviously won't :) | Sep 18 01:45 |
| cubexyz | netflicks? yes | Sep 18 01:45 |
| cubexyz | espn? yes | Sep 18 01:45 |
| cubexyz | but not youtube | Sep 18 01:46 |
| amarsh04 | I'm more concerned about the absolute lack of way to get region locking of youtube videos overturned | Sep 18 01:46 |
| cubexyz | satellite or cable tv? yes, it's totally locked | Sep 18 01:46 |
| amarsh04 | or if anything google related messes up, it is almost impossible to get through to a real human able to do anything about it | Sep 18 01:47 |
| amarsh04 | brb, new kernel | Sep 18 01:47 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/former-presidents-react-to-trump.jpg | Sep 18 03:39 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Pocket in Firefox didn't make much sense to me. | Sep 18 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | They already have bookmarks and Firefox Sync...Apparently Pocket is paying Mozilla for each user that upgrades to Pocket Premium. | Sep 18 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently there's a boolean extensions.pocket.enabled. You can change that to false and it won't load Pocket. | Sep 18 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've been editing Wikipedia. | Sep 18 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I edited XChat's article. While I was in there I pointed out the "re-licensing" controversy for the Windows build. | Sep 18 05:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/arion212112/status/777258345526943745 | Sep 18 05:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Updated Debian 8: 8.6 released https://t.co/yXNH4AXGkV | Sep 18 05:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @arion212112 (www.debian.org) | Sep 18 05:33 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777369385870757888 | Sep 18 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25 Years | Sep 18 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ago https://t.co/CPZCUlXg2m (www.inverse.com) | Sep 18 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 06:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Began its Invisible Conquest of Computing Exactly 25 Years Ago Today | Inverse | Sep 18 06:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777372614536884227 | Sep 18 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BFS Scheduler Gets "Substantial Updates" For Linux 4.7 | Sep 18 06:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pSftpbYlky (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 18 06:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BFS Scheduler Gets "Substantial Updates" For Linux 4.7 - Phoronix | Sep 18 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98 | Sep 18 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 98 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | The famous startup sound for Windows 98 was composed by Microsoft sound engineer Ken Kato, who considered it to be a "tough act to follow."[8] | Sep 18 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, delayinng the OS startup for two whole seconds while the computer fetched and played the most annoying sound in the world would be hard to follow. | Sep 18 06:06 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Glatorcom favourited 'BFS Scheduler Gets "Substantial Updates" For Linux 4.7...' | Sep 18 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777373811519938561 | Sep 18 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chrome OS gets cryptographically verified enterprise | Sep 18 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | device management https://t.co/rMu1ro5XLf | Sep 18 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.csoonline.com) | Sep 18 06:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csoonline.com | Chrome OS gets cryptographically verified enterprise device management | CSO Online | Sep 18 06:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://fossforce.com/2016/09/fsf-says-firing-wasnt-discrimatory/ | Sep 18 06:11 |
| schestowitz | "Methinks this questionable SJW is making much too much of a big rowe about this issue." | Sep 18 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | FSF Says Firing Wasn't Discrimatory | FOSS Force | Sep 18 06:11 | |
| schestowitz | [22:25] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I looked at Microsoft's latest battery life test between browsers. | Sep 18 06:13 |
| schestowitz | The media wrote about his they manipulated the comparison | Sep 18 06:14 |
| schestowitz | inc. the old versions aspect | Sep 18 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, so Microsoft went back and tested the newer versions. Didn't mention that the previous test only included old versions. | Sep 18 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | Still showed Edge ahead of Chrome 53, but not to the extent that they originally claimed. | Sep 18 06:18 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @justin_devs retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25...' | Sep 18 06:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777377395842113536 | Sep 18 06:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux gave me one of my best gaming experiences yet | Sep 18 06:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mKUEJsGWIS (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 18 06:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ItsBiochemical/status/777378159972888577 | Sep 18 06:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ItsBiochemical: @RedSteinCMD @schestowitz @EugeneDaniels2 @DrJillStein Correct. She wouldn't inter innocent Americans. | Sep 18 06:29 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://twitter.com/ZomgPinkPonies/status/777379088600301568 | Sep 18 06:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZomgPinkPonies: @MicrosoftEdge Your "lean efficient" new browser using ~27% CPU/~2,200 MB RAM. One tab playing Spotify. #Edgesucks https://t.co/BW2NyUZ1sK | Sep 18 06:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Linux gave me one of my best gaming...' | Sep 18 06:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379213141696514 | Sep 18 06:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25 Years | Sep 18 06:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ago https://t.co/DhVdQE5k4Q (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 06:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 06:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Began Its Invisible Conquest of Computing 25 Years Ago | Tux Machines | Sep 18 06:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379214316056578 | Sep 18 06:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software Freedom Day Coverage https://t.co/PLazDEy1YY | Sep 18 06:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 06:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 06:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software Freedom Day Coverage | Tux Machines | Sep 18 06:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379215524044800 | Sep 18 06:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel News https://t.co/hdghEaCh2S | Sep 18 06:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 06:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 06:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel News | Tux Machines | Sep 18 06:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379216920748036 | Sep 18 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux gave me one of my best gaming experiences yet | Sep 18 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LDJwVAoIas (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 06:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux gave me one of my best gaming experiences yet | Tux Machines | Sep 18 06:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777379217935785984 | Sep 18 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Raspberry Pi With Linux https://t.co/Y8U6AdpW1d | Sep 18 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 06:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi With Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 18 06:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer @ZomgPinkPonies now | Sep 18 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | @windowsblog @MicrosoftEdge Is there some reason why it's possible for Edge to use 27% CPU and 2.2 GB RAM with one tab open playing Spotify? | Sep 18 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds like you can save all kinds of battery power by not opening it. | Sep 18 06:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/777380330160267264 | Sep 18 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz "Best things in life are systemd free..." - Mr Green lol #linux | Sep 18 06:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarcherLord1/status/777389317991915520 | Sep 18 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MarcherLord1: "There's no evidence of a terror connection" But there will be soon https://t.co/RIpOpgNkQD | Sep 18 07:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: NY Mayor Bill de Blasio speaks of an explosion as though any incident is to be treated, by default, as suspected "terrorism". #politics | Sep 18 07:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Abnormal4norflk/status/777389683521224704 | Sep 18 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Abnormal4norflk: @MarcherLord1 @schestowitz Pressure cookers are known to be susceptible to mental illness. It's the pressure.. | Sep 18 07:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NoSleepForTony/status/777391262450196481 | Sep 18 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoSleepForTony: @MarcherLord1 it's amazing how the T word cannot be uttered when it's so blatantly obvious that's the case. @schestowitz | Sep 18 07:20 | |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10?wteswitched=1#Redstone | Sep 18 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | I added... | Sep 18 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 07:21 | |
| DaemonFC | In the Anniversary Update, Cortana now completely ignores the user's default web browser and preferred search engine and only opens with Microsoft Edge, which forces search results to load in Bing, even if the user has a different preferred search provider in Edge. Microsoft claims that it is necessary to force Windows users to use Bing, to prevent a "compromised experience that is less reliable and predictable".[220] Users had previously | Sep 18 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | been getting around the Bing restriction by installing Chrome extensions like bing2google[221], and Firefox had been redirecting Cortana searches to the user's default search engine in Firefox.[222] Nevertheless, another workaround was found in a matter of days of the Anniversary Edition release, which restores the ability to direct Cortana searches to the user's preferred browser and search engine.[223] | Sep 18 07:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/paulhindes/status/777392594863218688 | Sep 18 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@paulhindes: @schestowitz Looking more like Cheney every day. | Sep 18 07:24 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 18 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The utility registers itself as the handler for anything that opens Microsoft Edge, and then lets you choose a browser to open instead. | Sep 18 07:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7850141 | Sep 18 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch #microsoft #openwashing of proprietary pile of crap #SharePoint https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/The-DEVintersection-Countdown-Show/Chris-McNulty-talks-SharePoint-in-the-cloud-on-premise-and-open-source-at-SharePoint-intersection-Fa where #snowden extracted all material from | Sep 18 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | "Cute" | Sep 18 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> channel9.msdn.com | Chris McNulty talks SharePoint in the cloud, on-premise and open source at SharePoint intersection Fall Count Down Show #5 | The DEVintersection Countdown Show | Channel 9 | Sep 18 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder if this will fool anyone | Sep 18 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo is in the news for selling to Verizon. | Sep 18 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think most people would be stunned to learn that Yahoo still exists. | Sep 18 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | More than half of Firefox users immediately switched the search engine back to Google, so the deal wasn't worth what Yahoo thought it would be. | Sep 18 08:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777380079135514625 | Sep 18 10:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" https://t.co/LygsgTWvdX | Sep 18 10:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slackel.gr | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" - .:Slackel - Hellenic Linux Distribution::. | Sep 18 10:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777404351631372288 | Sep 18 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" https://t.co/szg99ZMaI2 | Sep 18 10:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" | Tux Machines | Sep 18 10:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kizamazuki/status/777412787572203520 | Sep 18 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kizamazuki: @schestowitz what else could it be? | Sep 18 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/777419119629049856 | Sep 18 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: "Britain’s forces are not configured for defence. They are configured for attack." https://t.co/eE4mUlmyWh | Sep 18 11:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk population controlled and outrageous waste on #trident justified using fictional threats and fear https://t.co/0SAn93zCXa | Sep 18 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rdnzl25/status/777421183335686144 | Sep 18 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rdnzl25: @schestowitz Given that it's an incident involving 2 explosive devices designed to kill & maim, it's not exactly a wild idea, is it? | Sep 18 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/6ixRole/status/777450362429173762 | Sep 18 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@6ixRole: No Blind + Smalling & Fellaini = Crap build up play = Pogba dropping deep + Rooney being a traffic cone = no link from midfield to attack. | Sep 18 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/777459069762334720 | Sep 18 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rbanffy: @schestowitz the MaaS360 name is extremely disconcerting. I worked on Canonical's MAAS product... | Sep 18 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | We used it to distribute desktop OSes for a large client | Sep 18 11:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777460603338186752 | Sep 18 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz it's more important than that. It tells CIOs (often fmr accountants) not to bother their pretty little heads over the details. | Sep 18 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | yes, I've been arguing this for years. Vendor lock-in, customer data protection, etc. | Sep 18 11:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777462170023976960 | Sep 18 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz The software-defined data centre is the latest shell game. | Sep 18 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | and AT&T is diving in... in a very big way, which given their history with the NSA gives reasons for concern. | Sep 18 12:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777465641942986752 | Sep 18 12:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz I tagged a Verizon rep on this issue once. @WashAuthor has much to say on AT&T collaboration with spooks. | Sep 18 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777457483229036544 | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Powered by Android’ https://t.co/b6FGKEuyeo | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (9to5google.com) | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 12:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks ‘Powered by Android’ | 9to5Google | Sep 18 12:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777464782555320320 | Sep 18 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fdj6GKSYdL (www.ubuntubuzz.com) | Sep 18 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 12:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777470811049431040 | Sep 18 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz What do you mean? Our (open) core is open source! And although 'core' sounds tiny it is probably >80% of our stack. | Sep 18 12:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777471577692708865 | Sep 18 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Still not sure I understand. Probably you should have a look into our open source projects. They are completely useable w/o us. | Sep 18 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777471898951225344 | Sep 18 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz See also https://t.co/VuwiAhdIVe | Sep 18 12:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777472291106062336 | Sep 18 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Many companies say they are open source companies whereas they are just open core (with a small core) & we are honest abt this | Sep 18 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | I call out those other companies too | Sep 18 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777473028158521345 | Sep 18 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz But to be honest: you still haven't explained your complain to me in our case :) | Sep 18 12:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777473609556197376 | Sep 18 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Plus: show me a 100% open source company ;) | Sep 18 12:47 | |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is almost that | Sep 18 12:47 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/52x69s/why_is_linux_not_more_popular_than_it_is/\ | Sep 18 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why is Linux not more popular than it is? : linux | Sep 18 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/536dpm/what_do_i_give_up_by_running_a_lite_version_of/ | Sep 18 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | What do I give up by running a "lite" version of Linux? : linux | Sep 18 13:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777468411882401792 | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS theme | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/nEymVPMNz5 (www.dedoimedo.com) | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zdlgp3F4Y2 (www.dedoimedo.com) | Sep 18 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | The hunt for the perfect CentOS theme | Sep 18 13:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 13:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | How to tame and pimp Xfce on CentOS 7 | Sep 18 13:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777475493201383424 | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | “experience with KMail is a good experience, and I think | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | I won’t need to go back to Thunderbird” | Sep 18 13:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483420343541761 | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Powered by Android’ https://t.co/2S9nMqUtJP | Sep 18 13:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks ‘Powered by Android’ | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777484808888934405 | Sep 18 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: me too, Roy! https://t.co/kmPROYueQe | Sep 18 13:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I have tried many text editors over the years (dozens). I always come back to #kate (with GUI) and #nano (without GUI/ncurses). #freesw | Sep 18 13:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483421643780096 | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/liDdbI91No (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483422767820804 | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS https://t.co/bQzmIvmYgN | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777490229414494208 | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jGYrUMHyVs (www.techdrivein.com) | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdrivein.com | Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @taskwarrior favourited 'Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux...' | Sep 18 14:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777493804182036481 | Sep 18 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Elementary OS 0.4 (Overview) https://t.co/rF50JHC7bm | Sep 18 14:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elementary OS 0.4 (Overview) - YouTube | Sep 18 14:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | New release: Semi-Automatic OS v. 5 | Sep 18 15:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fromgistors.blogspot.com | From GIS to Remote Sensing: New release: Semi-Automatic OS v. 5 | Sep 18 15:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777504074530971648 | Sep 18 15:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Plasma Lock Screen https://t.co/PFiXnP5lt6 | Sep 18 15:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | OpenWeatherMapProvider for CyanogenMod 13 | Sep 18 15:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520146994913281 | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Debian’s GTK-3+ v3.21 breaks Debian MATE 1.14, Gtk3 is | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | breaking apps all around." https://t.co/dCr9ttxus8 | Sep 18 15:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520483566780416 | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung's high-end Android clamshell appears in live | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | images https://t.co/yK0mUMQ7wJ (www.phonearena.com) | Sep 18 15:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Samsung's high-end Android clamshell appears in live images | Sep 18 15:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520946311823360 | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 (SM-Z200F) Certified in Indonesia, likely | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launching soon https://t.co/dJNGiN3ayf | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 18 15:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 (SM-Z200F) Certified in Indonesia, likely Launching soon - Tizen Experts | Sep 18 15:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777521202042732546 | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A WebKit Update for Ubuntu https://t.co/Bf103sZwpo | Sep 18 16:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777522130766266368 | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hyperledger and the Linux Foundation Opens Doors to the | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Public Blockchain Space https://t.co/gkxGDDsIL4 | Sep 18 16:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.cryptocoinsnews.com) | Sep 18 16:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cryptocoinsnews.com | Hyperledger and the Linux Foundation Opens Doors to the Public Blockchain Space - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News | Sep 18 16:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777522314250489856 | Sep 18 16:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME Games 3.22: the Giant Leap https://t.co/gTrScaeVvT | Sep 18 16:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (bytesgnomeschozo.blogspot.com) | Sep 18 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bytesgnomeschozo.blogspot.com | Bytes, Gnomes & Chozo: GNOME Games 3.22: the Giant Leap | Sep 18 16:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/777527583101612035 | Sep 18 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: #copymafia RT @schestowitz #Elsevier Wants #CloudFlare to Expose Pirate Sites https://t.co/cKyTjwyij2 Had there been no CF.... then... | Sep 18 16:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Elsevier Wants CloudFlare to Expose Pirate Sites - TorrentFreak | Sep 18 16:21 | |
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| XRevan86 | > Debian’s GTK-3+ v3.21 breaks Debian MATE 1.14, Gtk3 is breaking apps all around | Sep 18 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | At least here it's not that much of a Gtk3 problem. | Sep 18 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | because Gtk 3.21 is not a released version | Sep 18 16:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777523637003902977 | Sep 18 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If you swap the term with "ticket to high pay employment" ("higher education" [sic]), the injustice is made clearer https://t.co/enqnHs2TFP | Sep 18 17:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrJillStein: RT if you agree that higher education is a right, not a privilege. The #PowerToThePeoplePlan cancels student debt: https://t.co/ZzlV2eplcW | Sep 18 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777522772763373568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777522583772225536 | Sep 18 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Note7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket https://t.co/a35q3eFk6Y reading a script from the lawyers? | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidpolice.com | [Video] President of Samsung US apologizes for Note7 recall | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Note7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket https://t.co/bUZ278Zwzo | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidcentral.com | Note 7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket | Android Central | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777535813898866692 | Sep 18 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Sep 18 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T6nzUfUQjt (techrights.org) | Sep 18 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 18:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Techrights | Sep 18 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/katiecannon2/status/777547332107771904 | Sep 18 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@katiecannon2: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Not to mention education necessary for thriving democracy. | Sep 18 18:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Slackware Updates https://t.co/kmLrII23Ks | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware Updates | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560307476475904 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/Rm3HcKoTFx | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560308487368704 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/9JMChuyqnt | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560309821091840 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/OiZ4kfGCN1 | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560310865461248 | Sep 18 21:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/f7fS227Icp | Sep 18 21:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 18 21:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/slackolinux/status/777574660762324992 | Sep 18 21:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Slackware Updates https://t.co/kmLrII23Ks | Sep 18 21:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @slackolinux (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 21:12 |
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| cubexyz | new vim version 8.0: | Sep 18 21:55 |
| cubexyz | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vim/vim/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt | Sep 18 21:55 |
| cubexyz | on FC1 I used vim 6.4 :) | Sep 18 21:56 |
| cubexyz | got to say I'm not too excited about the "MS-Windows DirectX support" | Sep 18 21:59 |
| cubexyz | there's even an Amiga version 8.0 | Sep 18 22:00 |
| cubexyz | there's an interesting history to vi | Sep 18 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777609144916406272 | Sep 18 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Recently in Techrights https://t.co/v5jR4hmTDb | Sep 18 22:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 18 22:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Recently in Techrights https://t.co/v5jR4hmTDb' | Sep 18 22:03 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 18 22:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Recently in Techrights https://t.co/QkdnhEzn90' | Sep 18 22:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777617238169939968 | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Remember The Milk Now Has an Official Linux App | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GnxSqMQlEm (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 18 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Remember The Milk Now Has an Official Linux App - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 18 22:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Android-x86 6.0 Marshmallow Uses Mesa 12.0, Adds F2FS | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | File-System https://t.co/ZrVh7kYPE7 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 18 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android-x86 6.0 Marshmallow Uses Mesa 12.0, Adds F2FS File-System - Phoronix | Sep 18 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777625989610340352 | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Media Player Indicator Is A Slick Sound Menu for #GNOME | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shell https://t.co/XGY8qXnOL2 (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 18 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Media Player Indicator Is A Slick Sound Menu for GNOME Shell - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 18 22:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone keeps reverting my edits about Cortana on the Windows 10 article. So I rephrased it and added an entry about disabling Cortana completely. | Sep 18 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows 10 "Redstone", Cortana ignores the user's default web browser and search engine and only opens web searches with Microsoft Edge and Bing. Microsoft claims that this is necessary to prevent a "compromised experience that is less reliable and predictable".[134] Users had previously been using their preferred search engine by installing Chrome extensions like bing2google[135], and Firefox had been redirecting Cortana searches to the | Sep 18 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | user's default search engine.[136] Nevertheless, another workaround was devised following the "Redstone" release, which restores the ability to direct Cortana searches to the user's preferred browser and search engine, by way of an open source utility called SearchWithMyBrowser that hooks into the "microsoft-edge:" protocol and opens anything that calls it in the user's preferred browser.[137][138] | Sep 18 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 "Redstone" removes the setting to turn off Cortana that was previously in the Cortana settings menu. However, users can still disable Cortana by using the Group Policy Editor or a registry setting.[139] | Sep 18 23:31 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Privacy_and_data_collection | Sep 18 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Glad to see they didn't succeed in shoving this off into the Criticism of Microsoft page. | Sep 18 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | Rock Paper Shotgun writer Alec Meer argued that Microsoft's intent for this data collection lacked transparency, stating that "there is no world in which 45 pages of policy documents and opt-out settings split across 13 different settings screens and an external website constitutes 'real transparency'."[273] | Sep 18 23:36 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#Firefox_for_iOS | Sep 18 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Firefox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 23:53 | |
| DaemonFC | I added a short description of the main problem that was keeping Firefox off of iOS. | Sep 18 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | One reason given by Mozilla was that prior to iOS 8, Apple had supplied third-party browsers with an inferior version of their JavaScript engine which hobbled their performance, making it impossible to match Safari's JavaScript performance on the iOS platform.[156] Apple later opened their "Nitro" JavaScript engine to third-party browsers.[157] | Sep 18 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac | Sep 18 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Explorer for Mac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 23:58 | |
| DaemonFC | The main developer of Microsoft's Tasman layout engine workeed at Mozilla for a while. | Sep 18 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantek_%C3%87elik | Sep 18 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like he still does. | Sep 18 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tantek Çelik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 18 23:58 | |
| DaemonFC | Why do they get so many people from Microsoft? | Sep 18 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | They had Window Snyder there to as their "Chief Security Something-or-Other" for a while. | Sep 18 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | She was the Program Manager for Windows XP Service Pack 2. | Sep 18 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | SP2 didn't make huge security improvements in XP. | Sep 19 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | It was a proverbial bandaid on the equally proverbial broken leg. | Sep 19 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | It was released purely to make the media report that Microsoft had done something about the persistent security problems on XP. | Sep 19 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I was in the Service Pack 2 testing program, so I got it before anyone else did. | Sep 19 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | The main difference is after I installed it, some programs that previously worked crashed. So Microsoft ended up backing out some security features to make programs work again. :P | Sep 19 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | When it comes to usability vs security, usability wins just about every time. | Sep 19 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | That's why Flash is still hanging around by default in Edge, even though MS has to release emergency patches for it every couple of weeks. | Sep 19 00:05 |
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| MinceR | Adobe Trash and usability in the same sentence? :> | Sep 19 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, Chrome and Edge still have it by default, but Google is trying to phase it out. | Sep 19 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | The next phase of the plan is to whitlist the ten most popular websites and only allow flash on those. | Sep 19 01:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777626608899416065 | Sep 19 01:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What is cloud native computing? https://t.co/tuxfJNnh1M | Sep 19 01:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.computerweekly.com) | Sep 19 01:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 01:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com | What is cloud native computing? - Open Source Insider | Sep 19 01:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777663668003536897 | Sep 19 01:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | FreeBSD 11.0 RC3 https://t.co/Tsg1AWOouA | Sep 19 01:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 11.0 RC3 | Tux Machines | Sep 19 01:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't see how it could be a coincidence that Microsoft's malicious attacks against user choice and other software running on Windows returned as soon as the Consent Decree expired. | Sep 19 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Versions of Windows released while they were under the consent decree _had_ Internet Explorer, but they never forced you to use it. | Sep 19 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 has all sorts of things that pop up Edge with no respect for default browser. | Sep 19 01:24 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/9Q9JF | Sep 19 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Russia bans Pornhub, YouPorn—tells citizens to “meet someone in real life” | Ars Technica UK | Sep 19 01:32 | |
| MinceR | i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 19 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Sep 19 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Sep 19 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | There are so many gaps in Microsoft Edge's extensions platform as to render it nearly useless. Microsoft says work is ongoing, but since it refuses to make a proper app out of Edge, it still gets its updates with Windows, so that will take another 8-9 months. We'll be well into next year before Adblock Plus works properly. | Sep 19 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Does Edge use less power? Well, maybe technically, but you'll spend so much extra time trying to deal with a less-than-ideal browsing experience (including trying to read past the ads in your search results that aren't being blocked) that it'll take longer to get stuff done, thus undoing most of the efficiency it gives you vs. Chrome 53, which made some huge gains in power consumption itself. | Sep 19 02:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777663669064773632 | Sep 19 03:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | FreeBSD 11.0 Gets One Last Release Candidate Build, Final | Sep 19 03:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version Is Coming Soon https://t.co/dzQ4NX1YHf | Sep 19 03:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 03:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 11.0 Gets One Last Release Candidate Build, Final Version Is Coming Soon | Tux Machines | Sep 19 03:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'FreeBSD 11.0 Gets One Last Release Candidate Build,...' | Sep 19 03:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | Looks like Lenovo not only locked the RAID mode in at the BIOS level, they encrypted and signed the BIOS, Authenticode style, so you can't modify it. | Sep 19 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | Linux doesn't seem to be able to use the Samsung SSD in the Yoga 900 ultrabook because of this. | Sep 19 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | So there does not appear to be any way to run any OS but Windows 10 on this machine. | Sep 19 04:48 |
| cubexyz | can't boot from CD? | Sep 19 04:49 |
| cubexyz | or USB drive? | Sep 19 04:49 |
| cubexyz | usually there's a way to disable secure boot | Sep 19 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, You can run it, you just can't install it. | Sep 19 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo says that they may fix it, but I'd imagine that Linux will implement a workaround before that happens. | Sep 19 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | Some kind of special RAID mode that Linux doesn't support. | Sep 19 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | Other ultrabook OEMs have fixed the issue by a BIOS update that lets you put it in AHCI/SATA mode. | Sep 19 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | Some users have reported that the Windows 10 installer doesn't reccognize it either. | Sep 19 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | But that might have changed. There is new install media for the Anniversary Edition. | Sep 19 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | According to another user, you can add drivers for the SSD into the Windows 10 install image and then it will see the SSD. That doesn't help with Linux though. | Sep 19 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like the latest BIOS update that Lenovo put on their support site is three versions behind the one installed on my computer. | Sep 19 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | No release notes or any mention at all of the version on my computer. | Sep 19 05:44 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @mahouseinen favourited 'Linus Torvalds picks Dell XPS 13 as his...' | Sep 19 05:57 | |
| MarkBilk_ | Russia bans Pornhub, YouPorn—tells citizens to “meet someone in real life” | Ars Technica UK | Sep 19 07:03 |
| MarkBilk_ | <MinceR> i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 19 07:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777743873204420608 | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.8-rc7 Kernel Released: Final In 1~2 Weeks | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ShO0hMfkVx (lkml.iu.edu) | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ftc2gGp9wO (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Q8Ohvx0DtQ (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 19 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.8-rc7 | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.8-rc7 Kernel Released: Final In 1~2 Weeks - Phoronix | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.8 Could Land October 2 as Linus Torvalds Announces the Seventh RC | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777744285567447040 | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4MLinux 20.0 Promises to Be a Special Version, Final | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Release Launches November 1 https://t.co/nMA8OCI7TI | Sep 19 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 19 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 20.0 Promises to Be a Special Version, Final Release Launches November 1 | Sep 19 07:06 | |
| MarkBilk_ | The ban is simply to maintain quality. pornhub has malware scams and youporn looks pretty boring. xvideos.com is much better. | Sep 19 07:06 |
| MarkBilk_ | DaemonFC: Who the heck is Ryan Farmer? | Sep 19 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | Me | Sep 19 07:09 |
| MarkBilk_ | ok, thanks | Sep 19 07:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095259/browsers/confirmed-only-microsoft-edge-will-play-netflix-content-at-1080p-on-your-pc.html | Sep 19 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Confirmed: Only Microsoft Edge will play Netflix content at 1080p on your PC | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/pla3y ] | Sep 19 09:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777750576037785600 | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Officially Released, Brings | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | over 90 Security Fixes https://t.co/Pw943hdPr9 | Sep 19 09:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Officially Released, Brings over 90 Security Fixes | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777750936911548416 | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Why real hackers prefer Linux over Windows and Mac | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/4BhBl537VL (www.techworm.net) | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworm.net | Why real hackers prefer Linux over Windows and Mac » TechWorm | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777751253933756416 | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Avidemux 2.6.14 Open-Source Video Editor Supports | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lagarith Lossless Video Codec https://t.co/A31tyjZ9gc | Sep 19 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Avidemux 2.6.14 Open-Source Video Editor Supports Lagarith Lossless Video Codec | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'GTK+ Now Shows Activate Menu in VirtualBox, Requires...' | Sep 19 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777786441317449728 | Sep 19 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by GTK+ Now Shows Activate Menu in VirtualBox, Requires | Sep 19 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI XDG-Shell 6 for Wayland https://t.co/X8BAS5RLY7 | Sep 19 09:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GTK+ Now Shows Activate Menu in VirtualBox, Requires XDG-Shell 6 for Wayland | Sep 19 09:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Chapeau 24 "Cancellara" Linux Distro to Be Based...' | Sep 19 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777786501442646016 | Sep 19 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Chapeau 24 "Cancellara" Linux Distro to Be Based on | Sep 19 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI Fedora 24, Linux Kernel 4.7 https://t.co/lR7x8RKN8p | Sep 19 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Chapeau 24 "Cancellara" Linux Distro to Be Based on Fedora 24, Linux Kernel 4.7 | Sep 19 09:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777786578420822016 | Sep 19 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 3.0 | Sep 19 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI https://t.co/TavNt4HxmV (www.everydaylinuxuser.com) | Sep 19 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 09:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 3.0 « Everyday Linux User | Sep 19 09:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DamonRobins/status/777795382130552832 | Sep 19 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DamonRobins: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Mr. Trump's plan is to allow them to bring their money back in to the country with a flat 10% tax on it. | Sep 19 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/STFUnwo/status/777799585683169280 https://twitter.com/STFUnwo/status/777799941448208384 | Sep 19 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@STFUnwo: @schestowitz @DrJillStein I've been meeting witheld pro #gmo crowd. @ETtuCarl. They're fucked. Carl drop some knowledge. You're good at that | Sep 19 10:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@STFUnwo: @TakeThatGMOs @schestowitz @DrJillStein I'll help you with sources. & examples of misconduct. | Sep 19 10:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777788707109765120 | Sep 19 10:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by GNOME Boxes Virtual Machine Manager Supports USB | Sep 19 10:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI Redirection for Background VMs https://t.co/vUELzI5DHq | Sep 19 10:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME Boxes Virtual Machine Manager Supports USB Redirection for Background VMs | Sep 19 10:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777806633548341248 | Sep 19 11:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/5PTxAYAWTA | Sep 19 11:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 19 11:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/5PTxAYAWTA' | Sep 19 11:17 | |
| schestowitz | [07:06] <MarkBilk_> The ban is simply to maintain quality. pornhub has malware scams and youporn looks pretty boring. xvideos.com is much better. | Sep 19 11:47 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 19 11:47 |
| schestowitz | [07:03] <MarkBilk_> <MinceR> i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 19 11:47 |
| schestowitz | so said Steve Jobs | Sep 19 11:48 |
| schestowitz | censorship in the guise of "quality" | Sep 19 11:48 |
| schestowitz | because "the children!" | Sep 19 11:48 |
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| XRevan86 | Distribution of pornography is illegal in Russian Federation. | Sep 19 11:53 |
| XRevan86 | Quality is not the matter here. | Sep 19 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777822281259159552 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? https://t.co/bIfIudkT1h | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824826169917441 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | should come to Linux soon https://t.co/5DiFE5KXos | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter should come to Linux soon | GamingOnLinux | Sep 19 12:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Overcoming language and distance barriers in open source | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Overcoming language and distance barriers in open source projects | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824864463785988 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A beginner's bumpy journey to find a few good bugs | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A beginner's bumpy journey to find a few good bugs | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777824928385097728 | Sep 19 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz someone once defined a gentleman as someone who 1) holds doors open for ladies and 2) doesn't pay his tailor. ;) | Sep 19 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | Haha, good one | Sep 19 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824865487163392 | Sep 19 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? https://t.co/o6H9tws4O9 | Sep 19 12:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/QvA8nygnS7 | Sep 19 12:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824867605360641 | Sep 19 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/SExJHlkdRA | Sep 19 12:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter...' | Sep 19 12:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter...' | Sep 19 12:18 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/QvA8nygnS7' | Sep 19 12:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777826282738421760 | Sep 19 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz to my shame I forget who the originator was. :( | Sep 19 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EtTuCarl/status/777838485042442240 https://twitter.com/EtTuCarl/status/777838661979082752 | Sep 19 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EtTuCarl: @STFUnwo @schestowitz @DrJillStein This is the heavy hitting you promised? A software engineer and a politician? | Sep 19 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EtTuCarl: @STFUnwo @schestowitz @DrJillStein What exactly is the "suppressed" research? | Sep 19 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/777842213011197952 | Sep 19 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Old news but worth circulating @schestowitz Firefox Browser vulnerable to Man-in-the-Middle Attack https://t.co/jaXjFmJgMq | Sep 19 16:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://thehackernews.com/2016/09/firefox-tor-mitm_18.html ) | Sep 19 16:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TakeThatGMOs/status/777883945463611392 | Sep 19 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TakeThatGMOs: @STFUnwo @schestowitz Thank you. What is the source for "bribes to produce fake research" & "threatens people who produce legit research"? | Sep 19 16:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RamyYaacoub/status/777901545526554628 | Sep 19 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamyYaacoub: Blackmail... https://t.co/Ne0qs3KoqZ | Sep 19 17:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Egypt threatens to let hundreds of thousands of migrants into #EU as row with #Italy erupts https://t.co/eDaDhUxXAG | Sep 19 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatch/status/777903080197222400 | Sep 19 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatch: @schestowitz Fair enuf, your alert readership on IP issues is appreciated. But on Swiss thing, it was just interesting on eve of WIPO talks | Sep 19 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | Sorry for my seemingly strongly-worded remark. It's probably coming across as ruder as I intended in text-only form. | Sep 19 17:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatch/status/777906560509026305 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatch: @schestowitz understood. We're just sensitive as we highly value our independent position on all issues as much as possible... | Sep 19 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | I'll be more careful with my words in the future | Sep 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777906982502207488 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz it's true that if the system worked, there would be no need of this. But the system does not work and won't work for decades | Sep 19 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | It's starting to improve with Section 101 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777907184353079296 | Sep 19 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz it's the same as complaining about humans not being able to communicate if they're far away. You can complain forever... | Sep 19 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | Different issue altogether | Sep 19 17:29 |
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| antilope | dear mr. Schestowitz.. | Sep 19 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777907551207849984 | Sep 19 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz ...about the human beings and wait millions of years for evolution to give us telepathy, or you can invent the Internet | Sep 19 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | antilope: hi | Sep 19 17:31 |
| schestowitz | antilope: what's up? | Sep 19 17:32 |
| antilope | I like to read your news on the EPO! I am an examiner | Sep 19 17:32 |
| antilope | many of follow your sire (at home..) | Sep 19 17:33 |
| antilope | site | Sep 19 17:33 |
| antilope | is there a topic on which you are really interested for info? I mean patent wise, not those subjects like Topic, Bergot etc... | Sep 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | thanks, let me think | Sep 19 17:36 |
| antilope | I for example got a list with EP grants that are not new .... where the search work was soooo apalling you can hardly believe it | Sep 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I think patent scope (what I covered before the BB scandals) is importanyt | Sep 19 17:37 |
| antilope | because that is the latest develoment, Munich style searches become standard... | Sep 19 17:37 |
| antilope | aha that is interesting indeed | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I lack information about the stocks and the nature of patents, e.g. software | Sep 19 17:38 |
| antilope | aha for us quite easy to find in the overall workload system | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | EPO promotes software patents in Twitter a lot this month, much to our shock (FFII also) | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | they call it "computer-implemented" usually | Sep 19 17:39 |
| schestowitz | or CII | Sep 19 17:39 |
| antilope | our guess is, within 2 to 3 years we are out of stock (also for examination) and than the big question is what next with us examiners | Sep 19 17:39 |
| antilope | I also sometimes grant controllers, but it is in mz case always linked to an apparatus (a control for ...) | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Worry for examiners, yes | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | i worry about all those patents that sneaked in and are of low quality | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | including patents on plants, algorithms, etc. | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | the apparatus thing is the loophole of Brimelow | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | the "as such" thing, which means say it's connected to a "device" or "apparatus" to make it look not abstract | Sep 19 17:41 |
| antilope | there are plenty bad grants, but it is now getting an epidemia | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | EPO (in Twitter) not actually advertises these loopholes, it helps applicants get around the rules to increase "productivity" I suppose, or "production" | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | any information related to this would be handy | Sep 19 17:42 |
| antilope | the question is, are patents a goal or just a means | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | without patent numbers as that can reveal identity of examiners assigned these | Sep 19 17:42 |
| antilope | I will think a bit for you and keep you updated under this name | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | antilope: Battistelli studied in ENA | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't think he even knows what patent systems are for | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | INPI wasn't just for patents | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | also trademarks, like that Wine branding thing of oligarchs in France | Sep 19 17:43 |
| antilope | we all know this, in our opinion he is not the worst but that is minnoye | Sep 19 17:43 |
| antilope | he is the real kind slayer, the one who makes the big damage to the EPO | Sep 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't know enough about him, except that old ILO appeal where he's mentioned | Sep 19 17:44 |
| antilope | CPC is killing us | Sep 19 17:44 |
| antilope | king slayer | Sep 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | what's CPC, pardon? | Sep 19 17:44 |
| antilope | the classification project with the US | Sep 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I think that the EPO wants to attract mirrored applications at the EPO | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | so that all those patent trolls can get a patent extended to the EPO | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | with or without the UPC | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | and then troll European companies, too | Sep 19 17:45 |
| antilope | basically, a lot of the "production increases" got paid by putting less man hours in the classification activities | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | this would hurt a lot more than just examiners, also Birtish companies here that deal with software | Sep 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | so it's not production, it's grant | Sep 19 17:46 |
| antilope | we say; He who controls the classification in fact controls the patent quality | Sep 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | production as measured in grants, not hours put in | Sep 19 17:46 |
| antilope | yes, believe me, this year 2016 will see an enormous rise in grants, sure for me (I guess it will be like 30 % up) | Sep 19 17:47 |
| antilope | we now (as today) grant a lot of stuff that was 10 - 15 years ready on the shelves | Sep 19 17:47 |
| antilope | my oldest one in the docket has a prority date from 1997...curious what will happen after we pass that day | Sep 19 17:48 |
| antilope | meanwhile we neglect collectively the classification system, no maintenance, no new development, no one feeld responsible anymore | Sep 19 17:49 |
| schestowitz | hmmm. | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | . | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | 1997... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Romario and Ronaldo... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Probably retiring by then.. | Sep 19 17:50 |
| antilope | of course, meanwhile a lot of window dressing is going on, it is incredible the production goes up sky high and the quality also... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Hanson hitting the pop charts... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| antilope | yes, I had to wipe some dust from the yellowed file folders... | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | IAM says quality is great | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | BB says IAM is great | Sep 19 17:51 |
| antilope | seeing is believing, why not pay a visit to us one day | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | FTI Consulting pays IAM and all... | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's more like a party with a high budget | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Managing IP appears to have joined | Sep 19 17:51 |
| antilope | IAM is in our opinion not important at al, that is only our own specialist peer group (per technical field) | Sep 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | kicking off the post-vacation period with UPC proponents getting a platform | Sep 19 17:52 |
| antilope | the next funny event to come is 14 Oct. a social conference one day before AC meeting | Sep 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Have these issues been raised to politicians? | Sep 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | The social issues typically take up all the iota | Sep 19 17:52 |
| antilope | no of course not, what do they know?? | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | they barely understand what patents are | Sep 19 17:53 |
| antilope | I agree | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | unless you say something like "innovation" or "R&D" | Sep 19 17:53 |
| antilope | it is sometimes.... | Sep 19 17:53 |
| antilope | but usually not | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | is the social conference really a conference? | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like something to be organised for media impact? | Sep 19 17:54 |
| antilope | it will go from top to root... | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Social study became "conference" some months back | Sep 19 17:54 |
| antilope | it will be sold as a success | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I need to undermine these lies about the social situation | Sep 19 17:54 |
| antilope | and only the "recognized" union ie. FFPE is invited (SUEPO of course not) | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | but they have a high-budgeted FTI Consulting contracts | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | and I know some journalists whose bosses tell them to repeat the EPO's "news" du jour, as per the press releases | Sep 19 17:55 |
| antilope | it is in a way a media war | Sep 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | FFPE is dead credibility-wise | Sep 19 17:55 |
| antilope | of course they are | Sep 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | any journalists who chararcterise them as representatives of staff would be viewed as clueless, corrupt, or useful idiots | Sep 19 17:55 |
| antilope | I agree | Sep 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | yes, there's a media struggle | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | SZ are now trying to prove they're not silenced | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | but it's too little, too latee | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | There's infighting there | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | and money at stake | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | EPO gave additional 220 ish thousand Euros to pollute Dutch and German media | Sep 19 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | If anyone could find out for me how it's distribute, that would help | Sep 19 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | I used to write about how Microsoft did it | Sep 19 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | e.g. giving 'free' laptops to bloggers | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Store to Support More Countries for Samsung Z2 Launch | Tux Machines | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| antilope | let me explain. for most EPO issue money is not really a problem , but just a means | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | in exchange for - ahem - 'fair' coverage ahead of releases | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | it's a problem when this money corrupts the media | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | and then the public is being sold -literally- a lie | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | it will happen next month | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | "EPO staff is happy about reforms" etc. | Sep 19 17:58 |
| antilope | for us, it is the whole set up with this weak AC on top of the water head that is the problem | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | They already paid some big papers, inc. The Financial Times of London | Sep 19 17:58 |
| antilope | plus that seriously not a single politician is interested | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | business people read these, they don't bother with blogs or suepo.org | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | politicians can't help | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | 1. because epo is non-eu body | Sep 19 17:59 |
| antilope | suepo, of which I am not a memer, is quite moderate in the last years | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | 2. there's nothing for them to gain, unless it's a french opposition (to sarkozy) party | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | we need more leaks from the EPO | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | like E-mails that show how the system got 'cooked' to increase grants | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | that would harm those who plotted this course | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Grant Philpott shat himself when I did this and I got nasty letters | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | one day I'll rerelease that | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | the main question is, antilope, what to show for maximal impact | Sep 19 18:02 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they say things they really shouldn't be saying | Sep 19 18:02 |
| schestowitz | and once seen from the outside they need to own up to it | Sep 19 18:02 |
| antilope | I do not want to harm, but what we need is a transparant system without secret working contracts, without paid coverage, and without badly searched appliations | Sep 19 18:02 |
| antilope | by the way, all of us love your Topic coverage!! | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | that would work, but they won't do that out of goodwill | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | you need to impose transparency | Sep 19 18:03 |
| antilope | I sat with him, what a complete ........ | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Topic I haven't heard about in a while, I wonder what happened in Zagreb this summer | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I heard there used to be photos of him in suepo forums | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | in his Merc | Sep 19 18:04 |
| antilope | As I cannot be sure it is really you, as you cannot be sure it is really antilope, I have to keep a bit vague | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | which he claims to have bought from SIPO or whatever | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Is it true some of your folks call him "Putin", still? | Sep 19 18:05 |
| antilope | I do not know | Sep 19 18:05 |
| schestowitz | An article in German said so around 2014 or 2013 | Sep 19 18:05 |
| antilope | I think the poor man has no balls | Sep 19 18:05 |
| antilope | Putin has | Sep 19 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I wll publish something about the IU tomorrow | Sep 19 18:06 |
| antilope | well, you did not read on your latest "security" communique...? | Sep 19 18:07 |
| antilope | Oh we get scanners... | Sep 19 18:07 |
| antilope | and more useless stuff | Sep 19 18:07 |
| schestowitz | body scanners (or for bags) I heard about | Sep 19 18:07 |
| antilope | for bags | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Unless there's something more recent | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I leaked some internal comms about it at the time | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I can link to it as "old news", I need new material if this has escalated since that iranian bloke went on a shooting spree in Munich | Sep 19 18:08 |
| antilope | no no no-one is really interested in the EPO, believe me, you can shoot a cannon and only a few will wake up | Sep 19 18:09 |
| antilope | 20 million for the reward package...a shitty deal for us | Sep 19 18:10 |
| antilope | we are being separated in the Have's and Have-nots | Sep 19 18:10 |
| schestowitz | what's this package? | Sep 19 18:11 |
| schestowitz | A collective award to staff? | Sep 19 18:11 |
| schestowitz | to be split among them? | Sep 19 18:11 |
| antilope | Of course, last 2015 all directors and principal directors got heavily rewarded...but the examiners not | Sep 19 18:12 |
| antilope | yes 9 million for pensionable awards like salary step increases, and the rest for 2 types of bonuses and one-off rewards | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | they increased "production" | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | by planning a s***y system | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | where the priority is to empty the shelves, not properly separate the wheat from the chaff | Sep 19 18:13 |
| antilope | no they did nothing, it was the examiners and the administrative staff, you should have seen the huge piles with grants it was incredible | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | another USPTO in the making | Sep 19 18:14 |
| antilope | I mean piles to the ceiling, earlier this year | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | applicants were probably happy | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | until later on, when they find out EPs are losing value | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and people distrust EPs | Sep 19 18:14 |
| antilope | we are now basicallz emptying our stock (examination) and it is going pretty fast | Sep 19 18:14 |
| antilope | you are fully right | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | it's easy | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | checked this, checked that | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | didn't find anything | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | decision: grant | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | it's not even like you have to produce anything, just say "found nothing" | Sep 19 18:15 |
| antilope | and the good news is, we are even rewarded in case op oppositions! | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | what is that? | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | was ist das? | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | case op? | Sep 19 18:16 |
| antilope | remark: The bulk what is granted now has still pretty good search reports, but that is going to change quickly | Sep 19 18:16 |
| antilope | in case of an opposition, we get time like 2 or 3 days | Sep 19 18:16 |
| antilope | that is good for our productivity | Sep 19 18:17 |
| antilope | some dicrectorates got 3 times more oppo's as their counterpart (which should be kind of identical) | Sep 19 18:17 |
| antilope | the new mantra is: Timeliness | Sep 19 18:18 |
| antilope | But not a single applicant is interested in this , they want quality | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | or "early | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "? | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | applicants want quality? | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Doubt it | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | they want collective quality | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | even those who are not applicants and can be sued/shaken down | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | quality is a long-term reputational thing | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | take universities for example | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | my friend's partner has her phd viva in 1.5 weeks | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | they can just let her pass | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | and they're rewarded for it | Sep 19 18:19 |
| antilope | yes believe me, if you put so much money in your patent portfolio you want a certain quality I have been in at least 20 huge companies and they all conveyed this message (think of: Philips, Daikin, Mitsubishi, Honeywell etc etc) | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | but at what stage does a university accept so many theses that it's just considered to be a crap university? Same situation at the EPO now.. | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | well, they want the veneer of EPO stamp | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | to maybe convince the companies they come to meet about "licensing" | Sep 19 18:20 |
| antilope | there are still capable courts active in Europe who decide on the validity of a patent | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | but when EPO is associated with patent disputed and trashed in court (see Apple) they'll think twice before suing | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and companies might refuse to pay up | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | a patent is just a negotiation card | Sep 19 18:21 |
| antilope | depends on how strong it is | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and EPs will lose their compelling value if the public finds out how shallow the examination is/was | Sep 19 18:21 |
| antilope | EPI pen in the US is another perfect example, complete bogus of course | Sep 19 18:22 |
| schestowitz | epi? | Sep 19 18:22 |
| schestowitz | who deleted their criticism of BB? | Sep 19 18:22 |
| antilope | well this diabetes injector | Sep 19 18:22 |
| schestowitz | ah, different EPI | Sep 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw an article today about the 'miracle' drug | Sep 19 18:23 |
| antilope | they got a patent on the safety cap, and now charge like 150 dollar for something costing 10 bucks before (thanks USPTO) | Sep 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive | Sep 19 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vanityfair.com | Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down | Vanity Fair | Sep 19 18:23 | |
| antilope | she is the best | Sep 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | might want to pass this around in EPO, I've no use for it except in daily links (soon) | Sep 19 18:23 |
| antilope | but she was mentioned as a best foreign inventor.... | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | miraculous rise | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | 8 bn dollar valuation | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | for a scam | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | more miraculous then Bergot's appointment even | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe BB will pursue hiring her | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | she can give a keynote at the Social Conference | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | followed by the clowns of FFPE | Sep 19 18:25 |
| antilope | Bergot has tremendous fat ass, according to our secretary who sat with her on the plane.. | Sep 19 18:25 |
| antilope | but you fly out if you make a joke on this! | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I heard some personal insults | Sep 19 18:25 |
| antilope | vous etes vireessss | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I never published these, I pocket these, they're not suitable for publication | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | also, they can reveal who talks to who | Sep 19 18:26 |
| antilope | by lauging the misery away we survive, like being in the trenches | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | the management doesn't like it | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Bergot has two buddies/guards now | Sep 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | BB's 'treat' | Sep 19 18:27 |
| antilope | we wonder why | Sep 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure there's some nice phrase for it in French | Sep 19 18:27 |
| antilope | our french colleguaes are not so fond f her, and her big friend | Sep 19 18:27 |
| antilope | but we should respect all players in mz opinion | Sep 19 18:28 |
| schestowitz | does something control BB? | Sep 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Like large corporations? (not rhetorical) | Sep 19 18:29 |
| antilope | I guess not | Sep 19 18:29 |
| antilope | no no | Sep 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | or some politicians (EU/FR)? | Sep 19 18:29 |
| antilope | you have to dig into his family background, it is really simple middle class people with those narrow minded ideas | Sep 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | so he really does take the plane nosediving into the Alps | Sep 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | because what he does ruins the Office | Sep 19 18:30 |
| antilope | the see it differently | Sep 19 18:30 |
| antilope | money is no 1 | Sep 19 18:30 |
| antilope | but in our opinion it should be simply that we do our duties, not more and not less | Sep 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | he can sell his mother's blood for money, but that would not be a virtuous move | Sep 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | money short term, maybe | Sep 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | until his term endss | Sep 19 18:31 |
| antilope | so no advertising, no lobbying | Sep 19 18:31 |
| antilope | did you ever contact this Oliveira Prakken office? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | his UPC plans came tumbling down | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | when the EPO org was trying to silence you? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | that UPC is a lame duck | Sep 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | no, never spoke to them, why? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | but the duck does not want to know this | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | btw, realize that a UPC judge is going to earn less than an experienced EPO examiner, so they can forget to attract skilled people accept form Eastern Europe | Sep 19 18:33 |
| antilope | I think these lawyers are pretty good in what they do | Sep 19 18:34 |
| antilope | well, lets wait for end of next week verdict | Sep 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | wait | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | you mean "would" | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | not "going to" | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | All those 'jobs' advertised in the UK for UPC turned out, as I predicted, to be bogus ones, for positions that did not exist or would not exist | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | same with the court they were preparing in London | Sep 19 18:35 |
| antilope | the dutch high court, end of next week, to be honest we expect nothing out of it | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | nasty strategy of laying the ground before a go-ahead is even given | Sep 19 18:36 |
| antilope | I think so | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I saw the Dutch news | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it last night | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | bird and bird folks now have some new spin | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I will write about this tomorrow, I hope | Sep 19 18:36 |
| antilope | Italians can of course forget to get anything, totally insignificant country in Patents | Sep 19 18:36 |
| antilope | please keep on posting, it is great to read | Sep 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Sep 19 18:38 |
| antilope | not all is true in the end, but where smoke is is a fire | Sep 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I might go though the log above, filter out for any sensitive things, use the information in future posts | Sep 19 18:38 |
| antilope | yes please filter! | Sep 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I always do | Sep 19 18:39 |
| antilope | I try not to diclose to uch about myself | Sep 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't publish IRC logs, not until the danger is well over | Sep 19 18:39 |
| antilope | you better not!! | Sep 19 18:40 |
| antilope | See you another time! | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | yes, thank you for your time | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | don't worry, I'm protecting sources | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | and they don't know about one another, in case of honeypot 'sources' | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I learned a lot from the mistakes of sites like Wikileaks | Sep 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | apropos https://theintercept.com/2016/09/18/washpost-makes-history-first-paper-to-call-for-prosecution-of-its-own-source-after-accepting-pulitzer/ | Sep 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | corporate media | Sep 19 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | WashPost Makes History: First Paper to Call for Prosecution of Its Own Source (After Accepting Pulitzer) | Sep 19 18:43 | |
| MinceR | 19 125405 < XRevan86> Quality is not the matter here. | Sep 19 18:46 |
| MinceR | indeed -- censorship is. | Sep 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | they start with pr0n | Sep 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | later Putin will decide that other stuff is indecent | Sep 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | and will block that too | Sep 19 18:49 |
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| MinceR | they've already blocked other things, iirc | Sep 19 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | yes, in the past | Sep 19 19:28 |
| MinceR | http://oglaf.com/insummary/ | Sep 19 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oglaf.com | In summary | Sep 19 19:38 | |
| MarkBilk_ | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive This is a very interesting article! | Sep 19 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vanityfair.com | Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down | Vanity Fair | Sep 19 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk_: http://techrights.org/2016/06/03/epo-eia2015-fraud/ | Sep 19 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How the EPO Helped Prop Up — With ‘European Inventor Award 2015′ — a Fraud That Killed a Lot of People | Techrights | Sep 19 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk_: black(ish) comedy | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | cannibalism | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | oops, MinceR I meanty | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | *meant | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | with a minty tang to it... | Sep 19 19:53 |
| MinceR | dark humor is like food | Sep 19 19:58 |
| MarkBilk_ | Elizabeth Holmes - what a babe! I'd do her -- but I wouldn't let her near me with any needles... | Sep 19 20:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 19 20:03 |
| MarkBilk_ | The saddest thing is that great scientist Ian Gibbons who killed himself over the fraud. | Sep 19 20:06 |
| MarkBilk_ | schestowitz: Good coverage in techrights! | Sep 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | there are several more in there about her | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | probably linked to from the article about | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *avove | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *abive | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *above | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | there! | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I need to switch on the light, it just got dark here | Sep 19 20:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 19 20:11 |
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| MinceR | re Holmes: this is where copying crApple gets you | Sep 19 20:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Private cloud server and IoT gateway runs Ubuntu Snappy | Sep 19 20:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on RPi https://t.co/0yJmd03XXt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 20:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 20:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Private cloud server and IoT gateway runs Ubuntu Snappy on RPi | Tux Machines | Sep 19 20:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914356314976256 | Sep 19 20:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rolling Release Vs. Fixed Release Distros — Which Linux | Sep 19 20:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distributions Are Better? https://t.co/pe6L7r4Z7f | Sep 19 20:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rolling Release Vs. Fixed Release Distros — Which Linux Distributions Are Better? | Tux Machines | Sep 19 20:18 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: was she an apple fangirl? | Sep 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I must have missed that, but it would not surprise me | Sep 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe she should have advised patients to just eats nuts and berries to cure cancer. Like Jobs did... | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7850335 | Sep 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: She needs to call #israel first and find out if #opendebates are OK https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/777168072805408768 | Sep 19 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrJillStein: Call debates commission member Jane Harman, president of @TheWilsonCenter, at 202.691.4202. Ask for #OpenDebates! https://t.co/9WptfRJ3Db | Sep 19 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | oh, counterpunch, good source about the middle east conflict, so obviously free of ANY bias 0o | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | but itz ok, the us-politics is organized in israel | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Lots of sites wrote about this at the time, maybe thousands | Sep 19 20:36 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Sep 19 20:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the article says yes | Sep 19 20:36 |
| MinceR | lol @ nuts and berries | Sep 19 20:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz you going to the GNOME party on Friday in Manchester? | Sep 19 20:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Sep 19 20:37 |
| schestowitz | SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, I think so | Sep 19 20:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I would have possibly, if wasn't so far | Sep 19 20:38 |
| schestowitz | my wife is coming too | Sep 19 20:38 |
| schestowitz | we know the place, went there before | Sep 19 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think it's true [H]omer/Slated said so and I think it was mentioned in some article | Sep 19 20:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz yeah Manchester is to far for that | Sep 19 20:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for me | Sep 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Jobs and Ellison are on some hardcore delusional s* like Buddhism also | Sep 19 20:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz this reminds me, there's a GNOME conference there on the last weekend of July next year as well | Sep 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | I guess the event will be well attended | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the weekend before my birthda | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | y | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | next year | Sep 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | cool | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | manchester is far etc | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so probably won't go to that either | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not that into GNOME now anywy, well I am, but Ubuntu is more excitinga gain | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | again | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Unity, tablets phone, unity 8 coming to desktp eventually as default, all that is more exciting | Sep 19 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | altough I read there was a GNOME games program on omgubuntu like yesterday for playing retro games and such it seems, that's intertesting | Sep 19 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz when did you last go to a Linux etc event FOSS? | Sep 19 20:41 |
| schestowitz | years ago | Sep 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I keep planning but then change my mind due to other priorities | Sep 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | this one is big enough and near enough to us | Sep 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | minutes walking distance | Sep 19 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz oh only minutes | Sep 19 20:43 |
| MinceR | afaik buddhism isn't nearly as hardcore as abrahamic religion, hinduism or scientology :> | Sep 19 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz other priorites such as by the way ? | Sep 19 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in genreal for events | Sep 19 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to go or not | Sep 19 20:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | It’s official, Linux was released on September 17, 1991 | Sep 19 21:53 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/775382744541069312 | Sep 19 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AuerbachKeller: I'd missed this, but @todogroup abandoned their Code of Conduct, probably because it was a legal & PR minefield. https://t.co/W15Eb0ADBT | Sep 19 22:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> todogroup.org | Followup: Open Code of Conduct // TODO: Talk openly, develop openly | Sep 19 22:21 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | ah | Sep 19 22:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | net split | Sep 19 22:57 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 19 23:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, so annoying | Sep 19 23:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ruined a chat I was having in another channel | Sep 19 23:02 |
| razielle_tzu | ah | Sep 19 23:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah was tyring to see if maybe could get soeone to come up from some where far ish a way but still south west etc | Sep 19 23:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to help with my event maybe etc | Sep 19 23:03 |
| razielle_tzu | fair enough | Sep 19 23:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, looks like it's going to be small | Sep 19 23:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | herlperwise but also attendes | Sep 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | http://www.cracked.com/article_24284_5-ways-technology-unstable-house-cards.html | Sep 19 23:07 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | MinceR, the modern world will collapse with hungary fallling into the ground, with you in it :d | Sep 19 23:07 |
| MinceR | i didn't know hungary was part of the modern world :> | Sep 19 23:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | MinceR, yeah you got interwebs so it is :d | Sep 19 23:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nextcloud Box: A cloud for your office or living room | ZDNet | Sep 20 02:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778040390574276608 | Sep 20 02:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rolling Release Vs. Fixed Release Distros — Which Linux | Sep 20 02:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distributions Are Better? https://t.co/NVEt6PQqAx (error) | Sep 20 02:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fossbytes.com/rolling-release-vs-fixed-release-distros-which-linux-distributions-are-better/ ) | Sep 20 02:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778040410837028864 | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Grab a FREE 3D Tizen Experts Watch Face Courtesy of | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LuxuryWatches https://t.co/8kC9sMPFm5 | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 20 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Grab a FREE 3D Tizen Experts Watch Face Courtesy of LuxuryWatches - Tizen Experts | Sep 20 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778040614193627136 | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | It’s official, Linux was released on September 17, 1991 | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wPeyMxj9qU (www.cio.com) | Sep 20 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It’s official, Linux was released on September 17, 1991 | CIO | Sep 20 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778040949498871808 | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OTA-13 lands with new keyboard languages and more | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pk5B49q4b5 (www.neowin.net) | Sep 20 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Ubuntu OTA-13 lands with new keyboard languages and more | Sep 20 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778041366924308482 | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | After Ten Years, Vim (Vi IMproved) 8.0 Open-Source Text | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Editor Is Here https://t.co/K4b1XFdF5N | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 02:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | After Ten Years, Vim (Vi IMproved) 8.0 Open-Source Text Editor Is Here | Sep 20 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778041517013344256 | Sep 20 02:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Black Lab Linux 7.7 Officially Released with Latest | Sep 20 02:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Updates from Ubuntu https://t.co/VH1S6JmgL9 | Sep 20 02:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 02:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Black Lab Linux 7.7 Officially Released with Latest Security Updates from Ubuntu | Sep 20 02:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'After Ten Years, Vim (Vi IMproved) 8.0 Open-Source...' | Sep 20 02:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778041672307474432 | Sep 20 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Universal prototyping shield supports numerous Arduino | Sep 20 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | models https://t.co/wCe9gCY5Av (hackerboards.com) | Sep 20 02:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Universal prototyping shield supports numerous Arduino models | Sep 20 02:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778041888515452928 | Sep 20 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Solus Users Are the First to Get the Mozilla Firefox 49 | Sep 20 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Web Browser, Update Now https://t.co/X2Z39SNZJI | Sep 20 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 02:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Users Are the First to Get the Mozilla Firefox 49 Web Browser, Update Now | Sep 20 02:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778042189322551297 | Sep 20 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu | Sep 20 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS https://t.co/BH7jD58of3 | Sep 20 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 02:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS | Sep 20 02:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778042191977537536 | Sep 20 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12 Linux Enters Beta | Sep 20 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Many New Features https://t.co/wsUurLEFg3 | Sep 20 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 02:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12 Linux Enters Beta with Many New Features | Sep 20 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12...' | Sep 20 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 02:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Black Lab Linux 7.7 Officially Released with Latest...' | Sep 20 02:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Users Are the First to Get the...' | Sep 20 02:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 02:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Zorin OS 12...' | Sep 20 02:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778046471962787846 | Sep 20 02:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dragon Bros action platformer release in Early Access | Sep 20 02:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Linux support https://t.co/Wa8y5kBsWI | Sep 20 02:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 20 02:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dragon Bros action platformer release in Early Access with Linux support | GamingOnLinux | Sep 20 02:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778046821906145280 | Sep 20 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Face hell in 'Devil Daggers', now available for Linux | Sep 20 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/usy9m3Wuxv (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 20 03:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Face hell in 'Devil Daggers', now available for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 20 03:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778052802463531009 | Sep 20 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The HTC 10 Review | Sep 20 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xk7daFIzQj (www.anandtech.com) | Sep 20 03:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com | The HTC 10 Review | Sep 20 03:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778053305163481088 | Sep 20 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | HackADay: Controlling computers and stuff with the mind | Sep 20 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DfVQrK6CNE (tech.feedyourhead.at) | Sep 20 03:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.feedyourhead.at | HackADay: Controlling computers and stuff with the mind | FyhTech | Sep 20 03:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sharmone670/status/778057360174710784 | Sep 20 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sharmone670: @schestowitz I find a house for 160,000 they dont want to pay for that. | Sep 20 03:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778054078408585216 | Sep 20 03:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Turn Your Feature TV Into A Smart TV For $30 | Sep 20 03:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bPqFqVAfAs (www.linux.com) | Sep 20 03:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Turn Your Feature TV Into A Smart TV For $30 | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 20 03:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778056421413969920 | Sep 20 03:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu Phones, | Sep 20 03:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Here's What's New https://t.co/nkX738DPsS | Sep 20 03:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 03:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu Phones, Here's What's New | Sep 20 03:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778057574029623296 | Sep 20 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical and IBM Deepen Their OpenStack Partnership | Sep 20 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/WIvurvlnir (ostatic.com) | Sep 20 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 03:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Canonical and IBM Deepen Their OpenStack Partnership | Sep 20 03:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778058262709174272 | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/crnZcdzwnk (blog.qt.io) | Sep 20 03:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux - Qt Blog | Sep 20 03:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778059877893701632 | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME's GUPnP Released After A Decade Of Development | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lieZFMj2Ou (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 03:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNOME's GUPnP Released After A Decade Of Development - Phoronix | Sep 20 03:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778060136011206656 | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Studio 2.2 https://t.co/41tWEb1Vtc | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (android-developers.blogspot.com) | Sep 20 03:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android-developers.blogspot.com | Android Studio 2.2 | Android Developers Blog | Sep 20 03:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778060882693779456 | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | You’re Invited to the UK GNOME Release Party This Friday | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dxpHfA8uBC (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 20 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 03:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | You're Invited to the UK GNOME Release Party This Friday - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 20 03:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/flexgirl2/status/778066256557506560 | Sep 20 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@flexgirl2: @schestowitz @wikileaks ..until it's not. 😉 | Sep 20 04:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/777832089345490944 | Sep 20 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @_TargetLiberty can't find the link to the files. URL? | Sep 20 04:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778061194754138112 | Sep 20 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The 5 Best New Features in Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 | Sep 20 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XSStmlY6pK (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 20 04:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | The 5 Best New Features in Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 20 04:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074306144120832 | Sep 20 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu | Sep 20 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS https://t.co/BceZYi2rAw | Sep 20 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 04:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu 16.04, 14.04 & 12.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Sep 20 04:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/777967200321798144 | Sep 20 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @patentbuddy or linked to an increase of CO2 level? | Sep 20 04:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074307461120000 | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/f2BSSazNbr | Sep 20 04:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074308815966208 | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wine-Staging 1.9.19 https://t.co/vobDrhWZ46 | Sep 20 04:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine-Staging 1.9.19 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074310665572356 | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 https://t.co/5xV18IIRsS | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 04:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Phone OTA-13 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778074312737644544 | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft 'Love', Openwashing, and More Layoffs | Sep 20 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VikaY1Onc9 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 04:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft 'Love', Openwashing, and More Layoffs | Tux Machines | Sep 20 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778077466103603202 | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5 NEW iOS 10 Features Android ALREADY HAS! | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FS68kodjZL (www.xda-developers.com) | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | 5 NEW iOS 10 Features Android ALREADY HAS! | Sep 20 04:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778077957747269632 | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | More leaked images of Samsung's high-end Android | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | clamshell are here https://t.co/JZuN163E65 | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | More leaked images of Samsung's high-end Android clamshell are here | Sep 20 04:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778078348283088896 | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google Pixel phones might be able to dual boot Android | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ROMs https://t.co/CPyOuZGXyf (www.slashgear.com) | Sep 20 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Pixel phones might be able to dual boot Android ROMs - SlashGear | Sep 20 04:54 | |
| DaemonFC | Google Chrome experiments..... | Sep 20 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | New sandbox technologies on Windows. Using AppContainers on tab processes and blocking access to most of the Windows system calls to plug-ins. | Sep 20 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, a lot of the AppContainer work in Windows was done by the main developer of AppArmor on Linux. | Sep 20 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that my ad blocking filter subscriptions aren't filtering out Bing ads, so I wrote my own rule to handle that. | Sep 20 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | www.bing.com##*b_ad* | Sep 20 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | ublock-origin is much more flexible than ABP. | Sep 20 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | But Raymond Hill seems to put effort into making it a great program while ABP is mostly worried about if their website shakedown code works. :P | Sep 20 05:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778079747788201984 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime debuts in India for Rs. 18,790 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ($280) https://t.co/EPb4JDGM51 (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 06:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime debuts in India for Rs. 18,790 ($280) - Android Authority | Sep 20 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778086976998215680 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eOm8NDKX92 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 06:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Techrights | Sep 20 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098928088707074 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/L9AF2pN2M7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 06:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098931385372672 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/azwvRg1szq | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 06:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Sep 20 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098940919029760 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/HxGQn4ZpLt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 06:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Graphics with Multiple Displays on Embedded Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098943142027265 | Sep 20 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Server Administration https://t.co/4L3IDQpXO2 | Sep 20 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 06:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server Administration | Tux Machines | Sep 20 06:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | I cashed out my Bing rewards for 150 entries for the Surface Book. | Sep 20 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | I could do some surgery on it and upgrade the hell out of the RAM and storage, and slap Ubuntu on it. | Sep 20 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably resurrect my blog and thank Microsoft publicly for the nice Linux machine. | Sep 20 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.omgchrome.com/bing-new-tab-page-google-chrome/ | Sep 20 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgchrome.com | Chrome Gains a 'Bing' New Tab Page — Courtesy of Microsoft - OMG! Chrome! [ http://ur1.ca/prpun ] | Sep 20 07:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft apparently got a patch into Chrome that replaces your Google Chrome start page with a Bing version if you select Bing as your search engine. | Sep 20 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | Old article though. The latest version of that puts a Bing search box, your most visited sites in Chrome, and Bing's photo of the day in the new tab page. | Sep 20 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | "Now firmly in the post-Ballmer era, the cheap shots and mudslinging of Microsoft’s ill-judged and ill-received ‘scroogled’ campaign have given way to a mature acceptance of other platforms — and a willingness to engage with them." | Sep 20 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft: Calls Google creepy. Developes operating system that reports back everything you do down to the keystroke to Microsoft. | Sep 20 07:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778098945746690048 | Sep 20 08:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/2gwSuAR6oq | Sep 20 08:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 08:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jr10962001/status/778105816385720320 | Sep 20 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jr10962001: @schestowitz @wikileaks CBS has no credibility or honest journalists. Very sad the state of the mainstream media. | Sep 20 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/155552 | Sep 20 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Hungary’s new eID card proves popular | Joinup | Sep 20 09:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778147995246292992 | Sep 20 09:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Looks like its laugh out loud time @schestowitz Microsoft says it will solve cancer in the next 10 years https://t.co/nglU4BbqyG | Sep 20 09:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Microsoft will ‘solve’ cancer within the next 10 years by treating it like a computer virus, company says | The Independent | Sep 20 09:30 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I left a bunch of one star reviews of the Yoga 900 ISK2 explaining the Linux issue. They locked the SSD into some weird RAID mode so that Linux can't be installed. | Sep 20 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | Some guy managed to tweak the BIOS image and hook up a flasher to get around Lenovo's signature check, and was able to go into AHCI mode and install Linux. | Sep 20 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | So I made sure to mention all of this. Then I told Lenovo I'll take the reviews down if they ever fix it. | Sep 20 09:41 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently nobody is bothering to censor bing. | Sep 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | I typed The Last Ship and it suggested "The Last Ship torrent s03e2". LOL | Sep 20 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778141197726519296 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/eOm8NDKX92 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Techrights | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778153720353792001 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Looking forward to GNOME 3.22 https://t.co/cxki5qHnM3 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (feaneron.com) | Sep 20 10:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feaneron.com | Looking forward GNOME 3.22 | Georges Stavracas | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778155074178707456 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kubuntu needs some K/Ubuntu Developer help this week | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cE7VYQ8uXU (linuxgrandma.blogspot.com) | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgrandma.blogspot.com | Linux Grandma: Kubuntu needs some K/Ubuntu Developer help this week | Sep 20 10:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778157628530843648 | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are Now | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download https://t.co/587vCusENd | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are Now Available for Download - Exclusive | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778158264877981697 | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DNgweXPu1G (hackerboards.com) | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778158511981289472 | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KPTRKYIR2x (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches - Phoronix | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: interesting, give me links | Sep 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so that I can shame lenovo for it | Sep 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206 | Sep 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | main topic | Sep 20 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 10:27 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434304#M8266 | Sep 20 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 15 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 10:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Guy that resorted to external flashing to fix it. | Sep 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They obviously did it deliberately if you read the article. | Sep 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Then they wrote some EFI code to stop you from going into EFIshell and setting the mode to AHCI from there. | Sep 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | You can try setting it but the firmware immediately discards the setting. | Sep 20 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I have to get to bed. Have fun with that. | Sep 20 10:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778167318778175488 | Sep 20 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz There's a difference between something that's centuries old and something that's a few years old, isn't there? | Sep 20 10:45 | |
| schestowitz | There is, but I doubt the only explanation for this is fear of terror | Sep 20 10:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks, will post | Sep 20 10:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can see in boycottnovell-social what I wrote | Sep 20 10:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778168473679753217 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778168622992723968 | Sep 20 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Weather-related fluctuations are usually 10%-20%. I've heard from staff of 2 hotels in the area about many vacancies, unusual. | Sep 20 10:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Also, it's the first year in the long history of Oktoberfest that they built a fence all around it, thereby admitting a risk. | Sep 20 10:50 | |
| schestowitz | The fence thing is noteworthy | Sep 20 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778170688704286749 | Sep 20 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz It was a tough call for the city adminstration. If they did nothing, they'd get the blame if anything happened. Had to do s.th. | Sep 20 11:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778160631023276032 | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announcing upcoming Mageia 5.1 ISOs and an update on | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mageia 6 progress https://t.co/Aj4ZCJpNOI | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.mageia.org) | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mageia.org | Announcing upcoming Mageia 5.1 ISOs and an update on Mageia 6 progress | Mageia Blog (English) | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173224337154049 | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0zTfijRP0a (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Tux Machines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173226853756928 | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gaRuOFHGX1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Tux Machines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/778191284058095616 | Sep 20 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: Disgusting twist of a term. https://t.co/4beCV0YXlR | Sep 20 12:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft 'news' channel https://t.co/2L5gmUOpNz from MSNBC. No comment needed. Microsoft loves Linux. | Sep 20 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/778194468902240256 | Sep 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | good analogy | Sep 20 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz I imagine #Microsoft loves #FOSS in much the same way #Disney loves the #PublicDomain | Sep 20 12:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173229148102658 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Oracle pledges continued support for Java and NetBeans | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5j4sojoIhd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle pledges continued support for Java and NetBeans | Tux Machines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173232088317952 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian 8 Updated, Kubuntu Help Wanted, Mageia 5.1 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/k4rpaXSnmJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 12:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 8 Updated, Kubuntu Help Wanted, Mageia 5.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173234713944064 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/pJIWcZetka | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 12:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 12:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 13:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are...' | Sep 20 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jkbzas/status/778210240361799680 | Sep 20 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jkbzas: #Facebook, el #censurador global https://t.co/043OmMvo2U | Sep 20 13:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook is now a >global< #censorship giant on the #internet https://t.co/62EGeNEic5 https://t.co/yxqf7pduMI https://t.co/ePMKisBEUM | Sep 20 13:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/778215169323401217 | Sep 20 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrIvanJohnson: @cryptogon FYI https://t.co/3UvzBRm1sh | Sep 20 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778216575769993217 | Sep 20 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: It was the proving ground for open source software back in 2006 @schestowitz When I went to the Linux show in Boston China was there. | Sep 20 13:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778214515670454272 | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flowblade 1.8 Released, Supports Keyboard Trimming, Clip | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapping https://t.co/pZr0Ph2BYz (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Flowblade 1.8 Released, Supports Keyboard Trimming, Clip Snapping - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778220219844165632 | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5hhw5DumYX (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently - Android Authority | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778221156981698565 | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phablet Android fans were hoping for | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/V9NWtzuq2p (bgr.com) | Sep 20 14:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pixel XL Specs: Benchmarks suggest underpowered phablet from Google | BGR | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222424680693760 | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs and HTC | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10-inspired designs https://t.co/NDLl6LZFgc | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 14:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs and HTC 10-inspired designs - Android Authority | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs...' | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222811773014016 | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | HTC Desire 10 preview: Flashy outside, ordinary within | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QepKmCaSyF (www.androidcentral.com) | Sep 20 14:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | HTC Desire 10 preview: Flashy outside, ordinary within | Android Central | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse...' | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse...' | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222970636492800 | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Prepares for OpenStack Newton Improvements | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/prHLGGPu56 (www.serverwatch.com) | Sep 20 14:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Red Hat Prepares for OpenStack Newton Improvements | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently...' | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JordanCoyleEsq/status/778224069388955648 | Sep 20 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JordanCoyleEsq: .@Focus_Taiwan respondents located outside the US have 20 + (5 or 10) days to respond to the complaint and NOI, per… https://t.co/awNHBeRN9u | Sep 20 14:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JordanCoyleEsq: .@Focus_Taiwan respondents located outside the US have 20 + (5 or 10) days to respond to the complaint and NOI, per… https://t.co/awNHBeRN9u | Sep 20 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/778230945224818688 | Sep 20 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz Christians around the world are praying that #Trump defeats Globalist puppets #Hillary & Kaine. Humanity faces a New Dark Age | Sep 20 14:57 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently...' | Sep 20 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778223302938599424 | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What is the Fedora Code of Conduct? | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uCEgqr7UX0 (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | by Amita Sharma | Sep 20 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/what-is-fedora-code-conduct/ ) | Sep 20 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778223555242758145 | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AsciiBind all the things! https://t.co/R0U2Iep7NR | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winglemeyer.org) | Sep 20 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winglemeyer.org | AsciiBind all the things! - even the horse knew | Sep 20 15:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778232422743834624 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/HqYA5d6ya3 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 15:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234437225984001 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/66olHOmu9t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 Released | Techrights | Sep 20 15:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234438547181569 | Sep 20 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/oUPv1xNiSk | Sep 20 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:09 | |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-16 | Sep 20 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aland From Quality Assurance - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-16 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 20 15:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234439893594112 | Sep 20 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/6lovoNDLDB | Sep 20 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234441017667589 | Sep 20 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/RGfOBa1v9n | Sep 20 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234442296938497 | Sep 20 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/belgiGhCCy | Sep 20 15:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:37 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 20 16:25 |
| razielle_tzu | o/ | Sep 20 16:25 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: hi | Sep 20 16:26 |
| razielle_tzu | hi | Sep 20 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: looks like the Ubuntu touch music player is ok enough | Sep 20 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: probably going to play music and videos from tablet, depending on space a bit as well | Sep 20 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | for een | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | event | Sep 20 16:29 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: thing is I think the space is only about 16gb so uhmm | Sep 20 16:29 |
| razielle_tzu | my LTSP setup is working great but i'm annoyed at having to chroot to install stuff | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | but I got a good site to get music from | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | or find out about it etc | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: some or more than expected Creative Commons open movies, woudn't be quite suitable for the event it turns out | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but I can get a few at least it seems :) that will be fine, maybe I'll use the pa to play audio for those as well, or maybe there ins't much choice there | Sep 20 16:30 |
| sebsebseb | I mean audio for videos instead of music when showing a video | Sep 20 16:30 |
| razielle_tzu | i get wht you mean | Sep 20 16:30 |
| sebsebseb | might work to lure some people in, why did the music stop to uhmm, whtat's that | Sep 20 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: still got the issues of who is going to turn up to help, and who is going to turn up to visit the eent etc | Sep 20 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I think I am going to put some money into Facebook advertising | Sep 20 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | try that | Sep 20 16:33 |
| razielle_tzu | at least that can be pretty cheap | Sep 20 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah it seems set an amount and a distance | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking put like £30 into that | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | and see what happens | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | means got to change the image for that as well, since it doens't work so well as an add the one it's using | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | but need more people to like the page, say they are coming etc, but that's not going to happen if they don't know it's there etc | Sep 20 16:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/D_cence/status/778256253021786113 | Sep 20 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@D_cence: @schestowitz @PSchydlowski it's not just them, boycott many others ! (imagine the same with a car: you can't buy gas anywhere) | Sep 20 16:36 | |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I have tried Ebay for a first time! | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: actually buying from it myself | Sep 20 16:37 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | well only way to get a tizen phone at the moment so | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but not much has happended there last time I looked, got to import from India hmm | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: hopefully it comes ok etc | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ebay isn't where I would usaully buy things at all, since I want to buy new things etc | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | things that are definetly new for sure or very likly | Sep 20 16:38 |
| razielle_tzu | there are sellers of new tuff on there too | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yes apparnaty it's a new phone | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | but who knjows really | Sep 20 16:39 |
| sebsebseb | they all say that | Sep 20 16:39 |
| sebsebseb | new as in unused | Sep 20 16:39 |
| razielle_tzu | i bought a few things listed as new and they arrived still wrapped in the shrink wrap they get shipped to stores in | Sep 20 16:39 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yeah but some peop;le will go off with money or maybe | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | or send something that isn't new | Sep 20 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | and take a hit to their ebay scores and reputation for it | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I had a choice of three Tizen phones, but I still went for the very first one | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | but that was also cheaper so a bit cheaper | Sep 20 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | eventually enough hits and they get banned | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | the one I picked had a lot of good reviews | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | good feedback etc | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | so hopefully be ok, hopefuly it comes in time for the event as well | Sep 20 16:41 |
| razielle_tzu | i only buy from sellers with at least 97% positive feedback... | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: Did I tell you about my Nexdock and how currently I can't really use it, ah yes I did, yeah need some connecters for that etc to be more ueable | Sep 20 16:41 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: and Fedex wants £23.99 from me or whatever it was | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | customs yeah | Sep 20 16:42 |
| razielle_tzu | ah | Sep 20 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I expecte some customs, sometimes it's only about £11 but ok not this time | Sep 20 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | it's still quite a cheap thing even with the customs charge really though | Sep 20 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | so all together it will have been about £80 I guess or something like that | Sep 20 16:44 |
| razielle_tzu | not too bad | Sep 20 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: anhyway just another customs charge, then tehre will be something for the Tizen phone to assuming that comes | Sep 20 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | already paid some cusotm charges on tech and such so | Sep 20 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | will be doing more of that, seems most of the interesting tech comes from abroad so yeah | Sep 20 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well that wasa rather boring etc, and came there late anyway but uh. some boring ubuntu community q and a about snappy | Sep 20 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | they finnished it earlier now though | Sep 20 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | early | Sep 20 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/c_wweber/status/778276170886320128 | Sep 20 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@c_wweber: @schestowitz @DrJillStein maybe in specific cases, but your generalization is false. | Sep 20 17:56 | |
| MinceR | http://www.bunicomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-09-19-Buni.jpg | Sep 20 19:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pain-into-pleasure | Sep 20 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pain into Pleasure | Sep 20 19:26 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/1OHZCBh.jpg | Sep 20 19:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778241475377303552 | Sep 20 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 | Sep 20 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Released https://t.co/HqYA5d6ya3 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 19:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 20 19:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 Released | Techrights | Sep 20 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778304585526042624 | Sep 20 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft sues Wisconsin man (again) for copyright infringement (again) @schestowitz https://t.co/Mnj8ZM1meb | Sep 20 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft sues Wisconsin man (again) for copyright infringement (again) • The Register | Sep 20 19:57 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2016/09/16/18-illustrations-that-all-cat-owners-will-understand/ | Sep 20 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-18 Illustrations That All Cat Owners Will Understand – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 20 20:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778307242403782656 | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/1XFwhnla8D | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778308422802505728 | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Parsix Normalizes GNOME https://t.co/Bwgu8AYzvX | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parsix Normalizes GNOME | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778309611401150464 | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LASTFIGHT, a pretty good looking fighting game just | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | released on Linux https://t.co/rKe2tXRtsI | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LASTFIGHT, a pretty good looking fighting game just released on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 20 20:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778309640622923776 | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/1XFwhnla8D | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778311211305865224 | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Look At The Exciting Features/Improvements Of GNOME | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.22 https://t.co/RBNI33Reo4 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Look At The Exciting Features/Improvements Of GNOME 3.22 - Phoronix | Sep 20 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: last link does not work | Sep 20 21:27 |
| schestowitz | https://pleatedjeans.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/pleated-jeans-maintenance/ | Sep 20 21:27 |
| MinceR | hm | Sep 20 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleatedjeans.wordpress.com | Pleated-Jeans Maintenance | | Sep 20 21:28 | |
| MinceR | try this one: http://pleated-jeans.net/2016/09/16/18-illustrations-that-all-cat-owners-will-understand/ | Sep 20 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.net | 18 Illustrations That All Cat Owners Will Understand – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 20 21:28 | |
| MinceR | they're having troubles with wordpress | Sep 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Doopser/status/778329379248152576 https://twitter.com/SirNasaRoyal/status/778329605560111104 | Sep 20 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Doopser: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Or scream and make a stand like she is doing | Sep 20 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SirNasaRoyal: It's good they tell ? I'll read l later my Car https://t.co/u7PcJ3aQbL | Sep 20 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: They are the owners of the country. Always were. Still are. Deal with it. Or encourage whistleblowers to leak. https://t.co/CsClIk2PeX | Sep 20 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe they don't use it tight | Sep 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | *right | Sep 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330300279562240 https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330489006518273 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks TPPA, TTIP and TISA are all about empowering globalist oligopolies, which will gobble up smaller businesses globally | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks As smaller businesses are crushed or consumed by multinational corporate raiders more will lose jobs. | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330694137372677 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks As jobs are lost (or hours and benefits severely reduced) the tax base will drop - as will publicly funded services | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331084933042176 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331086006865920 | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/BRRvnarzA4 | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331087164407808 | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 21 Open Source Projects for IoT https://t.co/yvvEmTeT0t | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 21 Open Source Projects for IoT | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778331050720321540 | Sep 20 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks TPPA, TTIP, TISA and other greedy profit driven multinational trade grabs will create "Let them eat cake" society | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/778331356430565376 | Sep 20 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Nah, I just don't get many opportunities to tell that story. | Sep 20 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778331464773562372 | Sep 20 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks Ask French what's likely to happen in a Multinational equivalent to the aristocratic "Let them eat cake" society. | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | decapitation | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331088372367361 | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung open sources its HbbTV media player | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O8VYqoYPqC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung open sources its HbbTV media player | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi' | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Phredreeke/status/778332125271646208 | Sep 20 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Phredreeke: @schestowitz @livebeef well, if I have a printer, I most likely have a device to print from as well :P | Sep 20 21:38 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @cupcake_se favourited 'Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/BRRvnarzA4' | Sep 20 21:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778332364502163456 | Sep 20 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Sep 20 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YFggK3DXjl (www.computerworld.com) | Sep 20 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Computerworld | Sep 20 21:41 | |
| MinceR | http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=080728 | Sep 20 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sluggy Freelance - Comic for | Sep 20 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/778338161307049984 | Sep 20 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Seems like Hell is at the backdoor of router Heaven. https://t.co/McVOjJ7X84 | Sep 20 22:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Long story short, #nsa played God with back doors and left a huge mess https://t.co/B3yV8tbwo2 https://t.co/NhkwHRpWvs | Sep 20 22:02 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.engrish.com/2016/07/the-newest-fangle/ | Sep 20 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The newest fangle! | Engrish.com | Sep 20 22:17 | |
| MinceR | http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-lego-jokes/ | Sep 20 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boredpanda.com | 10+ Of The Funniest LEGO Jokes Ever | Bored Panda | Sep 20 22:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Copyright Cartel Logic: If we make it impossible to watch Netflix programs in other countries, they totally won't use pirate streaming sites that are free. | Sep 20 22:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, totally | Sep 20 22:43 |
| MinceR | but at least they'll break the web in the attempt | Sep 20 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Netflix intentionally degrades the video in Chrome and Firefox anyway. | Sep 20 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | 720p no matter what you're paying for. | Sep 20 22:44 |
| MinceR | similarly to how they intentionally degraded web standards | Sep 20 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to get 1080p is Internet Explorer, Edge, Safari, or the Windows Store app. | Sep 20 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | No way to do 4K Netflix streaming on a PC. | Sep 20 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | So unless you have a smart tv or a streaming box that does 4K and is "authorized" by Netflix, it's impossible to watch in 4K even if you pay for it. | Sep 20 22:45 |
| MinceR | excellent reasons not to use or pay NETFUCKS, ever | Sep 20 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Don't get the 4K version if you plan to watch on a PC. | Sep 20 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | You're just wasting the extra $2 a month. | Sep 20 22:47 |
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| MinceR | but i'm sure it will be all the "pirates'" fault if their business doesn't do well and people use reasonable ways to access the content instead | Sep 20 22:47 |
| MinceR | typical MAFIAA bullshit | Sep 20 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix won't TELL you that. It's only known because the secret menu that you can bring up with a key como shows what resolution it's playing in. | Sep 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | So they'll sell you service that you can't actually use and then won't tell you that you're not getting that level of service. | Sep 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Which is false advertising. | Sep 20 22:48 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they won't be convicted | Sep 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Gnutella is still being monitored. | Sep 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | They shut own Limewire, so the most obvious way of using that network has been gone for years. | Sep 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if it's off their radar now. | Sep 20 22:51 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/u-s-arrest-puts-spotlight-on-file-sharing-risk-1.644921 | Sep 20 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Limewire was pretty funny. | Sep 20 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbc.ca | U.S. arrest puts spotlight on file-sharing risk - Technology & Science - CBC News | Sep 20 22:52 | |
| DaemonFC | People putting things like their tax returns in their share folder.. | Sep 20 22:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 22:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Bittorrent is heavily monitored. | Sep 20 22:53 |
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| DaemonFC | You share Game of Thrones and it's only a matter of when IP-Echelon sends a DMCA complaint to your ISP. | Sep 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how safe the Gnutella network is these days. | Sep 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | HBO isn't suing people. They're using the complaint letters as a way of saying "We know what you did. Why don't you subscribe to HBO Now?". | Sep 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Sure it's $20 a month and we only have one good show.... | Sep 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Uhhh, maybe that's why people aren't subscribing? :) | Sep 20 22:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | They say a product is worth what people will pay. Companies like HBO overvalue their product. | Sep 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Probably at least four times over. | Sep 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | If it was $5, everyone would just subscribe and probably forget about it and keep paying forever. | Sep 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of bills, at least that horrific electric bill for air conditioning is over for a while. | Sep 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | The building has boiler heat, so I get to enjoy $25 electric bills for the next 8 months. | Sep 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | It was running $75 a month with the air conditioner. | Sep 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's a little much for a studio apartment, but it was that or roast all summer. :P | Sep 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Illinois gets hot and humid summers and harsh winters. | Sep 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | They call Chicago "Chiberia" in the winter. | Sep 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | is that better or worse than Chiraq? :> | Sep 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's too cold to go out and kill people so the violent crime comes to a halt. :) | Sep 20 23:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, my mom got a kick out of that. | Sep 20 23:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778333237701709825 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MATE 1.16 Ready For Release, More GTK2 GNOME-Forked Code | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ported To GTK3 https://t.co/P1qclkHXMO (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MATE 1.16 Ready For Release, More GTK2 GNOME-Forked Code Ported To GTK3 - Phoronix | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778334107243864064 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu tees up OpenStack on IBM's iron | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3iqp0wErOT (www.theregister.co.uk) | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Ubuntu tees up OpenStack on IBM's iron • The Register | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354877885919232 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BL84g47cC0 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354880578588672 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Riot secure messaging https://t.co/8uXL2Hn0oM | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Riot secure messaging | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354882264698880 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Servers (Linux Foundation and IBM) | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0H86RoAsFg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers (Linux Foundation and IBM) | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354883355258880 | Sep 20 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434927#M8273 | Sep 20 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz | Sep 20 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 16 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 23:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I made some suggestions to file bugs in the major Linux distributions bug trackers, try installing Fedora Rawhide to see what the latest Linux does on this system, and maybe get in touch with Matthew Garrett and see if he'd take a crack at it. | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I ended with this: | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | It's time to go to some people outside of Lenovo to get this thing fixed. It's completely obvious to me (my opinion) after reading these posts that what Lenovo did was both intentional and malicious and if we stand around waiting for them to fix the problem, we'll be stuck with Windows 10 forever. Their past history with the Superfish malware and the BIOS that reinstalled their crapware bundle even in a clean Windows install from | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's ISO only bolster my belief that this was deliberate. | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I added: | Sep 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | In the meantime, we should go post this information on reviews of this computer so that people know what Lenovo did. Also comment on their Facebook posts. Let's turn up the heat on them until they release a BIOS update that fixes this. | Sep 20 23:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354884684881920 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Web browsers for GNU/Linux https://t.co/02wbGNKgvF | Sep 20 23:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778356127344037888 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Non-blurry photos of the Google Pixel and Pixel XL leak | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7SjLWmNOym (www.androidpolice.com) | Sep 20 23:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778356246076358656 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BlackBerry DTEK60 running Android spotted on company | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | website https://t.co/kKU1X0qDYE (indianexpress.com) | Sep 20 23:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | BlackBerry DTEK60 running Android spotted on company website | The Indian Express | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434929#M8274 | Sep 20 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 16 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 23:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Bownairo said: About a week or two ago, I tried Gentoo with the latest kernel, still no success, that's why I continued progress on the BIOS mod | Sep 20 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I replied: Sadly, unless there is a way to trick the computer into accepting the BIOS update without Lenovo's signature on it, or to somehow sign the blasted thing with Lenovo's signature, without hooking up an external flasher and potentially ruining a $1,400 computer, that doesn't help most people. | Sep 20 23:31 |
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| MinceR | lol @ fedora rawhide | Sep 20 23:54 |
| cubexyz | boo to web sites that don't work good in 4:3 | Sep 21 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ping | Sep 21 00:14 |
| razielle_tzu | yes sebsebseb? | Sep 21 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: oh you are here nice :) | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: so good news and good news :d | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | which good news do you want first h eh | Sep 21 00:19 |
| razielle_tzu | ok, good news first | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | which good news :d the more so or the less so h he he h both about same | Sep 21 00:19 |
| razielle_tzu | if they're about the same does it matter? | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ok so good getting a loco pack from Canonical | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | found out earlier :) | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | that should mean stickers, pens, some t- shirts | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | and a hat or two even | Sep 21 00:20 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: maybe they would have sent lanyards to, or might anyway, but I said I had from before... | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: actsaully there is slight bad news as well | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly since some logistics issue or whatever, they can't send nice 16.04 USB's | Sep 21 00:20 |
| razielle_tzu | shame | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't want to burn a load uh, no thanks, but somenoe else might I guess or whatever | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: the other good news, did another emails to the LUG, | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | this evening | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | asking for more event help and about the meeting coming up this saturdya to etc, and yes got another helper now it seems, so that's good :) | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I guess that's four of us at least then, including myself | Sep 21 00:22 |
| razielle_tzu | i think for my next presentation i might do a proper one on the differences between OS X, Windows and Linux... using the LTSP system and a couple of Mint systems for linux demos | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | your next presentation | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | for what? | Sep 21 00:22 |
| razielle_tzu | for the computer club | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: oh yeah and there might be a company in London that can work for, tech stuff | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | but London uhmm | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | is like two hours away from here via transport | Sep 21 00:23 |
| razielle_tzu | that's not too bad | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about that quite, but would be potentailly looking for peope like me it seems | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | so | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | yeah maybe, who knjows, doing some qa or something at least, if not programming | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | got to send a cv over etc, and see what happens frst really | Sep 21 00:23 |
| razielle_tzu | if you can put up with the commute go for it | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well it would only take like two hours on the train or so | Sep 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | but travling costs so uhmm | Sep 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | or about two hours by bus as well I guess | Sep 21 00:24 |
| cubexyz | 2 hours? ugh | Sep 21 00:25 |
| cubexyz | that would be OK once a week :) | Sep 21 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I did some contracts from home | Sep 21 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I wonder how many Ubuntu t-shirts they are going to send | Sep 21 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but should have enough for myself and my helpers I guess :) | Sep 21 00:35 |
| razielle_tzu | :3 | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: exactly travlling to London like nearly every week day hmm | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | from here hmm | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: but once or twice a week woudn't be to bad | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | however it costs to travel there, train sin't cheap, bus/coach isn't that cheap | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: nearly thursday to hmm | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I got to try and be funny etc then, since in a public speaking competiiton :d | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | I don't expect to win | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | but getting say 3rd place for those on the sot made up talks would be fun | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | and get intervied to and such which will be nice :D | Sep 21 00:38 |
| razielle_tzu | :D | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: there are some really good speakers doing that as well so | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | the chance at winning against them is rather unlikly | Sep 21 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | but since I saw it at the other one last Thursday and it all looked like fun, I thought ok let's do it this one | Sep 21 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: Ubuntu Touch OTA 13 is out now as well, but I haven't upgraded just yet | Sep 21 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but once I do, I'll be able to copy and paste between the native apps, and the well Firefox Gimp Gedit Libe Office so libertine/xmir/arm stuff | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | that will be useful at times :) | Sep 21 00:41 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: it's quite something to follow a bit I think | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | software can be intersring like that | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | you know using something, that's updated reasonably quicly with new stuff, and then seeing progress | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | an update every six weeks or so, or so as in if delayed then well no longer | Sep 21 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | it can but like i said before Touch doesn't really interest me | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | why was that again | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | since you jdon't like Canonical ? | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well no free ubuntu t-shirt for you from me then :d, if I have enough | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | loco pack hmm :) | Sep 21 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | lol, i think i'll be ok | Sep 21 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | and it's not that i don't like canonical, i just prefer other distros | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: guess how many t- shirts I have here or roughly | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | and yes most of them are tech t- shirts | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | since FOSDEM and such | Sep 21 00:43 |
| cubexyz | https://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html | Sep 21 00:43 |
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| cubexyz | ;-) | Sep 21 00:43 |
| razielle_tzu | something like 20 | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: uh h eh h eh no | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I came back with like 15 t-shirts from FOSDEM 2014 :d | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | I remember that | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | or was that 2013 actsaully | Sep 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: turns out I have about 100 t -shirts now and that's all my t- shirts | Sep 21 00:44 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Sep 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: someone in my family thinks I have too much really | Sep 21 00:45 |
| razielle_tzu | heh, i don't have any tech t-shirts... just a couple of band ones | Sep 21 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | I bought some online as well | Sep 21 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | before from FSF shop and FSFE | Sep 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | plus I got a few Humble BUndle t-shirts now | Sep 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yep most of my t-shirts are geek in some way or the other | Sep 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: so yeah depending on how many t-shirts, I'll just take one maybe two for myself, and give away the rest :d | Sep 21 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | I hae bought a few Ubuntu t-shirts in the past myself as well | Sep 21 00:47 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/16/bofh_2016_episode_11/ | Sep 21 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: The case of the suspicious red icon • The Register | Sep 21 01:30 | |
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| MinceR | (short-lived link) http://krautchan.net/files/1474418049001.jpg | Sep 21 01:35 |
| cubexyz | dumb typo | Sep 21 01:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 21 01:35 |
| MinceR | now the first one works | Sep 21 01:36 |
| cubexyz | doh | Sep 21 01:36 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-did-not-shutdown-successfully.jpg | Sep 21 01:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778360222251356160 | Sep 21 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google wants to show Samsung and Huawei what Android | Sep 21 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | should look like https://t.co/Um6pG2kWWn (news.vice.com) | Sep 21 01:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.vice.com | Google wants to show Samsung and Huawei what Android should look like | VICE News | Sep 21 01:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778375670552408064 | Sep 21 01:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/y0AhtuOxf7 | Sep 21 01:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 21 01:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778375671781416961 | Sep 21 01:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat News https://t.co/L4OT8VRsuW | Sep 21 01:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 21 01:48 | |
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| cubexyz | for the lulz: | Sep 21 02:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/778395313304244224 | Sep 21 04:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi | Sep 21 04:08 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, An MS MVP on Lenovo's forums quietly edited some of my posts. | Sep 21 04:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lenovo contacted me on my Best Buy review. Lenovo Product Expert | Sep 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | September 20, 2016 | Sep 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft. | Sep 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Lenovo-Yoga-BIOS-locked-so-you-can-t-install-Linux-quot-per-our/td-p/3435076 | Sep 21 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Lenovo Yoga BIOS locked so you can't install Linux... - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 04:28 | |
| cubexyz | Is this true in general of (modern) Lenovo computers or is that Yoga an exception? | Sep 21 04:36 |
| cubexyz | I see some folks are using 'legacy boot' so I assume that on some models there's no problem installing linux | Sep 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | The Microsoft Signature Edition PC program requires the OEM to make sure Linux can't be installed on the computer. | Sep 21 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, There are apparently several models affected. | Sep 21 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | The first Yoga 900 (ISK can install Linux. The ISK 2 can't. | Sep 21 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Neither can the 910, or the 900S, or some 700 series models. | Sep 21 04:44 |
| cubexyz | so for people like me, avoid "Microsoft Signature Edition" like the plague... | Sep 21 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | I tweeted this to Adrian Kinsley-Hughes at ZDNet. | Sep 21 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2337719&p=13547773#post13547773 | Sep 21 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. | Sep 21 05:11 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I posted a warning about Microsoft Signature PCs on Ubuntu Forums. | Sep 21 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 05:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point a minute ago | Sep 21 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be interested in hearing from people who have a model that just so happens to not be able to run Linux, but if Lenovo's "deal" with Microsoft is any indication, this all came about in October of last year. | Sep 21 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | The original ISK Yoga 900 can run Linux, and the ISK2 is an "upgrade" that comes with a Iris 540 graphics adapter instead of the HD 520 that came with the original Yoga 900. So I bought the ISK2 thinking I was basically getting bumped up to a 60% faster graphics chip, no strings attached. | Sep 21 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ouch. Well, now we know what the real "feature" of the ISK2 was. | Sep 21 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | The BIOS ain't done 'til Linux won't run. | Sep 21 06:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: is that you in reddit? | Sep 21 07:33 |
| schestowitz | I've just linked to both the above | Sep 21 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. Lenovo deleted the thread. | Sep 21 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | I updated... | Sep 21 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | - UPDATE - Lenovo decided to delete the entire 19 pages of this thread instead of offering the promised explanation. I guess that is their reply. This is very unfortunate, as all I wanted were a few simple answers. If anyone can find an archived version of this forum thread, please let me know! - I was able to get a screenshot of the moderator promising to give us an answer as to why the thread was locked. The lying liars of lenovo... | Sep 21 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://imgur.com/a/fGRdh | Sep 21 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet | Sep 21 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | thanks, I spread this around right now, see #boycottnovell-social | Sep 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mickjosi/status/778482507981414400 https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/778483558700777472 | Sep 21 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mickjosi: @schestowitz @DrJillStein if we keep fracking the Earth will look like Mars | Sep 21 07:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Sep 21 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | "" | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "That cones across as a presumption of guilt" | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/778484521381552128 | Sep 21 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @DrJillStein @schestowitz That would be seen as a presumption of guilt | Sep 21 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: let's hope someone writes a press article about it | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's what they deleted the thread for | Sep 21 07:44 |
| schestowitz | to prevent that | Sep 21 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's back up again. | Sep 21 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | Locked but it's there again. | Sep 21 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206 | Sep 21 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 07:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778486292317339648 | Sep 21 08:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IPFire 2.19 - Core Update 104 released | Sep 21 08:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Uzs8olRjZa (www.ipfire.org) 2.19 - Core | Sep 21 08:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update 104 released https://t.co/Hygj1kyszI | Sep 21 08:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipfire.org - IPFire 2.19 - Core Update 104 released | Sep 21 08:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778488484436840448 | Sep 21 08:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland 1.12 Officially Released https://t.co/3iRCxXrivO | Sep 21 08:01 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | [–]CataclysmZA[🍰] [score hidden] 24 minutes ago* | Sep 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | Here's the Google cache for the forum thread: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:abMCb7w2uAoJ:https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=za | Sep 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo's forum software doesn't delete an entire thread when it gets removed by the mods - instead, the first page's link gets removed. You can still navigate through, and read the rest of the thread, unhindered. | Sep 21 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | For example: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206/page/14 | Sep 21 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | Someone has to start backing it up now! | Sep 21 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 08:02 | |
| DaemonFC | Edit: I'm backing the pages up in the Wayback machine. This could take a while. | Sep 21 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Page 14 - Lenovo Community | Sep 21 08:02 | |
| DaemonFC | THANK YOU so much! We need a good archive of what was going on in that thread. They're probably having a late night shredding party to keep this out of the news! | Sep 21 08:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778489304700096512 | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 https://t.co/qQDFQiw7g3 | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 | Sep 21 08:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778489783735742465 | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 https://t.co/1eQyHb6V4E | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 | Sep 21 08:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778490392362770432 | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phones and Tablets https://t.co/r6En1bcltx | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 21 08:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu Phones and Tablets | Sep 21 08:08 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good that it is making some noise now | Sep 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | them deleting it would only enrage the masses | Sep 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | contact some journalists | Sep 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | e.g. in Ars technica, IDG... | Sep 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | also ping Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols <sjvn@vna1.com> | Sep 21 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | Hello, | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I bought a Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2 Ultrabook at Best Buy and then found out that Linux can’t be installed on it. | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up going around in circles on the Lenovo support forum and then finally posted a negative review on Best Buy. A Lenovo employee replied that they locked the machine to prevent Linux from being installed due to their “Signature Edition” agreement for Windows 10 with Microsoft. | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I posted all about this on Lenovo’s forum and they are trying to delete the thread (one of the links still works, it’s in Google’s Cache, and we are backing it all up to the Wayback Machine while it’s still visible). | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I posted a Reddit thread about the issue: | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | If you could look into this for me and maybe try to get some answers out of Lenovo (which has completely clammed up), I would appreciate it very much. | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you, | Sep 21 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 08:17 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Sep 21 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I sent that to sjvn | Sep 21 08:17 |
| schestowitz | excellent | Sep 21 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe try Swapnil as well, same text | Sep 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | Swapnil Bhartiya <arnieswap@gmail.com> Swapnil Bhartiya <editor@muktware.com> | Sep 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | I think the former should work | Sep 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | when it all ends I might write about it as well | Sep 21 08:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IsABellUseful/status/778327826269343745 | Sep 21 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IsABellUseful: Juste un rappel: 41000 entreprises US installées au Canada et qui pourront profiter des arbitrages privés du #CETA ! | Sep 21 08:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/778179809046388736 | Sep 21 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @GOettingerEU @DSMeu "This is EU tax payer money really well spent" Euh. | Sep 21 08:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778490941749469184 | Sep 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and | Sep 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arduino https://t.co/w6ETiSPKas (hackerboards.com) | Sep 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and Arduino | Sep 21 08:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496409200832512 | Sep 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CouchDB 2.0 https://t.co/lnPNc64BfI (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CouchDB 2.0 | Tux Machines | Sep 21 08:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496410366816256 | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 https://t.co/S0ePJ35jjs | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 2.6 Anonymous Linux Live CD Is Out, Brings Tor 0.2.8.7 & Tor Browser 6.0.5 | Tux Machines | Sep 21 08:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496411385991168 | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 https://t.co/oQUc1cPsvJ | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 08:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 Now Includes GCC 6.2, GNU Binutils 2.26.1 & GDB 7.11.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 21 08:30 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got the Wayback Machine version of all 19 pages posted. | Sep 21 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | In case Lenovo manages to delete the originals. | Sep 21 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12545878 | Sep 21 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Linux can't be installed on recent Lenovo laptops per a secret agreement with MS | Hacker News | Sep 21 09:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Hacker News on ycombinator picked the topic up. | Sep 21 09:04 |
| -->liberty_box__ (~liberty@81.141.154.101) has joined #techrights | Sep 21 09:08 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good news | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | someone just posted this in diaspora | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even look for it, it was just there | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I think he works or used to work for Canonical | Sep 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | Having trouble loading it. | Sep 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's indexed in Bing News though, of all placed. | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/7870566 | Sep 21 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karim_khelouiati@framasphere.org: #Linux #Microsoft #Lenovo #arnaque Impossible d'installer LINUX sur les nouveaux Lenovo http://fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ | Sep 21 09:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ http://fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ ) | Sep 21 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | well done, you gave them a scandal | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft too is implicated | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | ruins the "loves Linux" BS | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I shall link to it from Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/778507377926664192 | Sep 21 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz Hadrian's firewall... | Sep 21 09:18 | |
| schestowitz | damn, that site is down now | Sep 21 09:18 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. it came back up | Sep 21 09:21 |
| schestowitz | I think me linking to it takes it over capacity | Sep 21 09:21 |
| schestowitz | or maybe it's hot in some site like /. or others... | Sep 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496412614995968 | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phones and Tablets https://t.co/34xlqOUgaK | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu Phones and Tablets | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496413965574144 | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arduino https://t.co/tUoGbtUHTM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and Arduino | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778509278441246720 | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/ni36Fzlkk8 (fossboss.com) | Sep 21 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 09:24 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]tudorapo 2 points an hour ago | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Why is it good to buy a microsoft signature pc? Is it cheaper, has special features, comes in red, with a supercharger and hood scoops? | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Just asking, i am not familiar with these fancy things here in the medieval times. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | A Microsoft Signature PC is supposed to be a special version of an OEM's regular model that comes without any crapware. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | According to an article I read, there can be over thirty crap programs included on the average retail PC, including trial versions, questionable utilities, self-promoting spam from the OEM, etc. Strangely enough, Microsoft excluded trial copies of MS Office from the requirement to not have bloatware. So I did have one program to uninstall. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, "Signature" is now going to mean "only runs Windows", and since all computers OEMs put in the Microsoft Store have to be "Signature", that's all of those, and maybe the OEMs will decide to lock down the non-Signature models too so they don't have to maintain two BIOSes. So eventually there may not be a safe place to buy an OEM PC. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | wait until they extend the programme | Sep 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | to further limit GNU/Linux installations | Sep 21 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | Non-signature might soon mean "only runs Windows" and 30 crap programs pre-installed... | Sep 21 09:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it spreads widely in social [control] media now | Sep 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz | so this incident has started a Web-wide debate | Sep 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz | and I think it's just the start | Sep 21 09:27 |
| cubexyz | as long as you can usb boot, or cd boot, you're OK | Sep 21 09:27 |
| cubexyz | otherwise yes that is a problem | Sep 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | [–]r1243 2 points an hour ago | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | shit | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | yoga 510 signature or not? hope European consumer protection will fuck them up | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | https://askubuntu.com/questions/790122/suspend-not-working-on-lenovo-yoga-510-15isk | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | Judging from this, you'll probably get Linux working, but with severe power management problems, like the laptop not going to sleep with the lid shut, or you open the lid and it doesn't wake up. | Sep 21 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | Suspend not working on Lenovo Yoga 510-15ISK - Ask Ubuntu | Sep 21 09:28 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | Adrian Kingsley-Hughes says he's looking into it. | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | User Actions | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Follow | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 09:29 | |
| DaemonFC | AdiKingsley-Hughes 🌐Verified account | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | @the_pc_doc | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | @ZomgPinkPonies thanks for this. Looking into it now. | Sep 21 09:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | he has many followers | Sep 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | inc. the Windows camp | Sep 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93778 | Sep 21 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:33 | |
| cubexyz | chromebook + crouton is looking better and better these days | Sep 21 09:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/778512243180830720 | Sep 21 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz Hmm | Sep 21 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, now it does split view apparently | Sep 21 09:36 |
| schestowitz | not that I tried ti | Sep 21 09:36 |
| schestowitz | requires a plugin I think | Sep 21 09:36 |
| schestowitz | which means requiring that you create a google account to sign in, can't do it as "guest" | Sep 21 09:36 |
| cubexyz | that's ok | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | we have two chromebooks here | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Acer | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | and one HP standard laptop | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | the chromebooks serve us well with GNU/Linux on them | Sep 21 09:37 |
| cubexyz | also InaTux Computers builds coreboot systems | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | one of these cost just 99 pounds | Sep 21 09:37 |
| cubexyz | http://inatux.com/?gnu | Sep 21 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fully Free Software Compatible GNU/Linux Systems! - InaTux Computers | Sep 21 09:37 | |
| cubexyz | I've seen used ones on ebay for about $75 | Sep 21 09:40 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know they were still active | Sep 21 09:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I remember what you did to Foxconn around 2008 | Sep 21 09:44 |
| cubexyz | ok, I just sent them a message so we'll see | Sep 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I think they were not even widely known before that | Sep 21 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | Update: The Lenovo employee posted about locking the thread. Basically, he called me disruptive and then said that if they had to, they would turn on pre-approval so that nobody can comment until they've read it and have made sure it won't embarrass them. Nice, huh? Don't address the issue. Don't say anything about whether the problem will be fixed. Don't re-open the thread. Just threaten and bully people with the "We can make sure your | Sep 21 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | posts are never seen." option. | Sep 21 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | I updated the thread to reference this. | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | tell SJVN about it | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | and others | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | the fossboss site is still now available | Sep 21 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | I emailed SJVN. | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | I suppose due to load | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | this needs to go viral | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | it damages Microsoft, not just Lenovo | Sep 21 09:53 |
| schestowitz | because Lenovo is doing what Microsoft told them | Sep 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | and it proves, again, that Microsoft hates Linux | Sep 21 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | Fossboss not working for me. | Sep 21 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/778518239454359552 | Sep 21 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz boycott #lenovo ? | Sep 21 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: opening paragraphs in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93778 | Sep 21 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/raphaellaN/status/778518725997715456 | Sep 21 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@raphaellaN: @schestowitz @goddersbloom students are expected to be exposed to different thoughts,views and mature enough to analyse and debate. | Sep 21 09:58 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got a PM from Alexander J. Martin of The Register. | Sep 21 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | from alexanderjmartin sent just now | Sep 21 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | We've been on top of Lenovo's BIOS mischief in the past too: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nasty/ | Sep 21 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | CAUGHT: Lenovo crams unremovable crapware into Windows laptops – by hiding it in the BIOS • The Register | Sep 21 10:00 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I replied. | Sep 21 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | Is there a way that you could please cover this? Lenovo is stonewalling us on this and trying to delete evidence. If you can quote the archived versions of their forum so they are as close to what was actually said as possible, that would be best. | Sep 21 10:02 |
| cubexyz | I have a question: who writes the lenovo bios? | Sep 21 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | Hi /u/BaronHK, | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Great post on Lenovo's dodgy signature edition locks. I'm a journalist at The Register and am chasing up the issue with Lenovo and Microsoft at the moment. Are you available for a phone call regarding the issue as it affected your purchase? My number is 020 3714 1082 if you are interested in talking about it. | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | With my thanks for your time, Alexander | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | to alexanderjmartin sent just now | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I can probably do one tomorrow. It's 4 AM my time and I should have been in bed hours ago. I'm afraid I also don't have international calling. I could probably get in touch with you over Skype or you could call me? I'll be available probably around 8 PM in Chicago. | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you! | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I send him another reply saying I could answer questions in an email if he would send them to me. | Sep 21 10:05 |
| cubexyz | probably it's AMI | Sep 21 10:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: excellent! | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Let me know of any articles you see about it | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | in Diaspora I see people mentioning it | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | that's how I found the fossboss one | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | try to look for more coverage, this way it'll become mainstream news | Sep 21 10:08 |
| cubexyz | AMI is basically a Microsoft shop | Sep 21 10:10 |
| cubexyz | they use microsoft tools for everything | Sep 21 10:10 |
| cubexyz | visual studio with nmake | Sep 21 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | rom KTL175 via /r/linux sent 20 minutes ago | Sep 21 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | Can someone please ELI5: ? Is this along the same lines as wireless companies preventing you from unlocking your phone? | Sep 21 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually worse. The PC has always been an "open" platform and meant for general purpose computing. Before Microsoft imposed UEFI BIOS (bugs and all), Secure Boot, and now restrictions like the one introduced into Lenovo's UEFI BIOS firmware, we sometimes had problems running Linux on a PC, but with workarounds, usually involving watching how Windows handled things, Linux eventually worked pretty well on most computers. Since UEFI | Sep 21 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | replaced the traditional BIOS, we've had a huge mess on our hands, sometimes even when the computer isn't trying to stop Linux from installing or running. This new Microsoft restriction on general purpose PCs is, I believe, the first step in making a PC more like an iPhone. First they will take away our ability to run other operating systems, then they'll eventually impose restrictions on what you can install, maybe even forcing us to use | Sep 21 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows Store, where they decide what programs are allowed in, then siphon off 30% of the developers profits, add no value, and make software more expensive for everybody. Does anyone really want to live in that world? | Sep 21 10:12 |
| cubexyz | so one good question is: does your BIOS at least have legacy boot? | Sep 21 10:13 |
| cubexyz | if not, don't buy | Sep 21 10:14 |
| cubexyz | most of the AMI BIOSes have legacy boot, I know that much | Sep 21 10:15 |
| cubexyz | cedar trail. ivy bridge, sandy bridge microarch all should have it | Sep 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | from SAKUJ0 via /r/linux sent 3 minutes ago | Sep 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | You can always just use Windows 10 and use the Ubuntu linux environment inside of Windows 10 :^) | Sep 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | No GUI programs work. It's basically bash and programs that run in the terminal. It's not really what most people think when they hear "Windows Subsystem for Linux". In fact, I doubt that the compatibility and performance are very good considering it's new and Microsoft reimplemented Linux APIs without using any Linux code (which would subject them to the terms of the GNU General Public License. The Windows Subsystem for Linux is not an | Sep 21 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | answer. It's a joke. A very bad joke. | Sep 21 10:20 |
| cubexyz | ok, now AFTER sandy bridge era things get murky | Sep 21 10:20 |
| cubexyz | I greped the leaked AMI source, and there's NO MENTION of legacy boot in Luna Pier | Sep 21 10:21 |
| cubexyz | in the 2003 era AMI bios there were many references to Redhat 8.0 testing | Sep 21 10:28 |
| cubexyz | but on the other side of the coin Lenovo also sells chromebooks... | Sep 21 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | I guess that later today or tomorrow Lenovo will be in the news | Sep 21 10:44 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't necessarily boycott lenovo | Sep 21 10:44 |
| cubexyz | just those models with locked down bioses | Sep 21 10:45 |
| cubexyz | lenovo chromebooks at least would have developer mode | Sep 21 10:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I wrote this to Alexander Martin. I also told him to call me late this evening. | Sep 21 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the stuff that I know about the issue with these systems, I actually learned from the Lenovo Support Forum thread that is linked in the Reddit post. I tried booting up several Linux live images. The usual. Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian. I couldn’t install to anything because the SSD never came up. There’s an NVMe SSD in these laptops, which Linux supports. And I understand you should be able to see it in /dev/nvme0 or something l | Sep 21 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | ike that, but no, nothing. And the usual commands like to check for PCI-E devices showed no SSD there. So I went to the forums and learned that Lenovo locked it to some sort of RAID mode, and then they not only patched the system firmware setup utility to hide the option to put it into AHCI mode (in fact, there’s no storage device mode settings in there at all), but they apparently wrote more code to put it back in RAID mode if you go | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | t cute and tried setting the mode to AHCI in EFI Shell. So everything that I was likely to think of to work around the issue, and probably more, was covered in the support thread. And none of it worked. Somewhere along the way, a Lenovo support person said they escalated it to the BIOS development team. That was months ago. No word on anything yet. The latest BIOS revision posted in the drivers section is version 5 from April. My PC is | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | running version 8 dated June 22. No release notes from Lenovo along the way. Nothing like that. So they’ve had this computer on the market for nearly a year, revised the BIOS 8 times. We know they patched out the setting and wrote more code to force it to stay in RAID mode. If they wanted this fixed, it would be fixed. I even reached out to Matthew Garrett who suggested that maybe Linux just doesn’t support driving an AHCI device | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | in RAID mode. So I became exasperated and left a one star review on Best Buy, which it pained me to do. This system has some really awesome hardware in it. A Lenovo employee responded and said that the laptop is “locked” due to their “Signature Edition” agreement for Windows 10 with Microsoft. | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So that got my blood boiling. | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So I’ve been in this conversation on Lenovo’s forums and a guy said that he modded the BIOS and used an external flasher to get around Lenovo’s signature checks and put it in AHCI mode. The code was all still there, just hidden. He reported that Windows and Linux both run great on his machine. | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So, Linux doesn’t support the RAID mode, but it does support the AHCI mode that this guy managed to unlock on his device (but the solution wouldn’t scale because of the complexity of doing all of that), so this combined with Lenovo’s response to my Best Buy review tells us that Microsoft wanted them to break Linux, and this was a way to break Linux. (Some people are confusing this with Secure Boot, which you can turn off on | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | this machine, but which is not the problem. Linux boots in Secure Boot mode or with it off. ) And it’s a way to break Linux that makes Linux look like it might be the party at fault. It’s not like it would be the first time they had the idea. There was the infamous AARD code. (Makes for a good Wikipedia read.) | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So, is Microsoft telling their PC OEM partners to break Linux in ways that make people think it’s problems with Linux? It’s plausible. Especially since Lenovo told me they “locked” the computer. This is a really awful and hacky way to “lock” it, but whatever gets the job done. Right? | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, time to get some sleep. | Sep 21 11:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778529905797718016 | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stock Android might have a “Restart” option starting with | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android 7.1 https://t.co/eqZmJgjjN6 (www.gsmarena.com) | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stock Android might have a Restart option starting with Android 7.1 - GSMArena.com news | Sep 21 11:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778529951502966784 | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Best Linux Desktop for Customization | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/j5d24eH6fG (www.datamation.com) | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Linux Desktop for Customization - Datamation | Sep 21 11:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778535304517054464 | Sep 21 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux | Sep 21 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Installations https://t.co/72iFzocavy (techrights.org) | Sep 21 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 11:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations...' | Sep 21 11:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 11:15 | |
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| schestowitz | hi, hi | Sep 21 11:27 |
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| chub | o/ saw this chan get dropped in a reddit discussion over ms/lenovo shittery, though i would lurk for discussion | Sep 21 11:37 |
| chub | with rms in your header how can you go wrong :) | Sep 21 11:38 |
| cubexyz | there's some good info here: | Sep 21 11:48 |
| cubexyz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Yoga_900 | Sep 21 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Yoga_900 ) | Sep 21 11:48 | |
| cubexyz | evidently you can install Linux on an earlier version | Sep 21 11:48 |
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| hl | Oh hell, is this a whole channel full of people who see red when confronted with restrictive code signing practices? | Sep 21 11:57 |
| hl | Greetings. | Sep 21 11:57 |
| cubexyz | oh they are messing around with the BIOS for sure | Sep 21 12:04 |
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| Sophira | Hi. | Sep 21 12:05 |
| schestowitz | affect intellectual prop | Sep 21 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/778550115501940737 | Sep 21 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jhamby: Warning: Microsoft Doesn't Want You To Install #Linux On Its "Signature PCs". Not cool! cc @schestowitz @DanielEran https://t.co/dVq0dMHvBf | Sep 21 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/778538056781406208 | Sep 21 12:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux | Sep 21 12:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @The_Code_Shirts Installations https://t.co/72iFzocavy (techrights.org) | Sep 21 12:13 |
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| cubexyz | all the "don't buy Lenovo" comments are a bit silly though | Sep 21 12:14 |
| cubexyz | just avoid the problem models like Yoga-13ISK2 | Sep 21 12:15 |
| Tervy | its more moral question that should people fund such company what does things like this | Sep 21 12:16 |
| Tervy | was it intentional or not | Sep 21 12:17 |
| cubexyz | not defending Lenovo, just pointing out they build chromebooks with coreboot | Sep 21 12:17 |
| Tervy | thats true that people should not forget good deeds to industry but is it still right to backstab for money | Sep 21 12:21 |
| Tervy | well backstab is wrong word maybe | Sep 21 12:21 |
| Tervy | but play on both teams maybe | Sep 21 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | Can someone say in short what Lenovo exactly did? | Sep 21 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | Something to do with BIOS? | Sep 21 12:22 |
| XRevan86 | Forced Secure Boot maybe? | Sep 21 12:22 |
| Tervy | there is no official statement as far as i know .. nor anyone have properly reverse-engineered the reason for such activity | Sep 21 12:23 |
| hl | So I actually built a wiki to track this sort of crap recently | Sep 21 12:23 |
| hl | https://violations.devever.net/w/Lenovo_Laptops/V2 | Sep 21 12:23 |
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| hl | just added this. | Sep 21 12:23 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently I guessed right: Forced Secure Boot. | Sep 21 12:24 |
| cubexyz | Linux can't be installed on certain SSD when it operates in RAID mode | Sep 21 12:24 |
| XRevan86 | with disabled signature changing | Sep 21 12:24 |
| cubexyz | some hackers have modded it already but it's a big pain to fix it | Sep 21 12:25 |
| cubexyz | they use clips so they don't need to desolder the chip | Sep 21 12:27 |
| cubexyz | better to avoid it I'd say | Sep 21 12:28 |
| cubexyz | if it was socketed that would be a bit safer | Sep 21 12:29 |
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| cubexyz | http://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey | Sep 21 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yoga 900 13isk2 Linux Support - Album on Imgur | Sep 21 12:33 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/lenovo-yoga-900-running-fedora.png | Sep 21 12:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Weird partitioning. | Sep 21 12:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ah, it's not yours apparently | Sep 21 12:41 |
| cubexyz | I'd never run out and buy one in the first place :) | Sep 21 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: True :). | Sep 21 12:42 |
| cubexyz | there's a fair about of discussion going on in http://www.bios-mods.com about this stuff | Sep 21 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | Bios Mods -The Best BIOS Update and Modification Source | Sep 21 12:44 | |
| cubexyz | years ago I did a coreboot project of my own | Sep 21 12:44 |
| Tervy | Hi looking that your sites violationsList | Sep 21 12:45 |
| Tervy | do people really complain about aspect ratio ? | Sep 21 12:45 |
| cubexyz | so if I see that there's no support in coreboot, then I'm automatically on my guard | Sep 21 12:46 |
| hl | Tervy: it's just a pet peeve of mine. | Sep 21 12:46 |
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| Tervy | https://bof.nl/2016/09/19/head-of-dutch-security-service-is-fed-up-with-privacy-concerns/ opinions on this | Sep 21 12:54 |
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| hl | Tervy: Yeah, it's hilarious. These people are incapable of objectivity. | Sep 21 12:55 |
| hl | These people appear to be terrified by the idea that some people might have a conversation and they won't be there to overhear it. | Sep 21 12:56 |
| cubexyz | CRTs can change aspect ratio but LCDs usually have one mode they work best in | Sep 21 12:56 |
| hl | 'Fear of people communicating' seems like an appropriate descriptor. | Sep 21 12:56 |
| cubexyz | some old games used 640x400 so I had to adjust xorg.conf a fair bit to get Linux to set that mode | Sep 21 12:56 |
| hl | cubexyz: Ah, no. I'm referring to the way the LCD PC monitor industry moved from 16:10 to almost all 16:9 some years back so they could cheap out by homogenizing their production lines to use the same lines for TVs and monitors. | Sep 21 12:57 |
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| Tervy | aint that good for customer in terms of cheaper monitors and better support for videos average users watch as they have 16:9 ratio mostly ? | Sep 21 12:58 |
| cubexyz | oh interesting, I didn't realize that | Sep 21 12:58 |
| Tervy | as in istead perfecting 2 different types of production they would fine tune the single production line more ? | Sep 21 12:59 |
| hl | If you want a 16:9 monitor you can buy one. It's a loss in terms of vertical screen space, which is already kind of at a premium. And the extra space provides room for controls when watching 16:9 video. | Sep 21 12:59 |
| cubexyz | I thought you were complaining about 4:3 games getting stretched or something :) | Sep 21 12:59 |
| hl | Nah. I just worry one day I won't be able to buy 16:10 monitors. | Sep 21 13:00 |
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| Tervy | well true that they may go extinct but for sake of standards and helpping everyone who is making material from guis to videogames to movies etc in my opinion might be worth it | Sep 21 13:02 |
| hl | Meh. I don't think I've ever seen a video game that doesn't support 16:10 or even 4:3 resolutions. And we've mobile devices giving us ever more resolutions, etc. | Sep 21 13:03 |
| Tervy | that true | Sep 21 13:04 |
| cubexyz | ASUS has a few 16:10's | Sep 21 13:05 |
| cubexyz | and there's Ultra Panavision movies which were extra wide | Sep 21 13:11 |
| hl | Yeah, films seem to live in a world of their own, aspect-ratio wise. | Sep 21 13:11 |
| cubexyz | I watched some of those on TV :) | Sep 21 13:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.nyest.hu/media/mi-fan-terem-az-ironia.jpg?large | Sep 21 13:14 |
| Sophira | XRevan86: As for what Lenovo actually did, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/d7vnnqz?context=1 is the best explanation | Sep 21 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. [ http://ur1.ca/prymm ] | Sep 21 13:29 | |
| Sophira | ...that I've seen. | Sep 21 13:29 |
| Sophira | (sorry, hit RETURN too soon) | Sep 21 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | Sophira: Ah. | Sep 21 13:33 |
| Sophira | (I've seen things that say that this is likely to do with an agreement to not allow Windows 7/8 to be installed, rather than Linux specifically. But that's just as bad IMO.) | Sep 21 13:33 |
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| MinceR | so much for the alleged free market | Sep 21 13:51 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/MJlJ11r.jpg | Sep 21 14:17 |
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| MinceR | > Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are discussing their countries, and decide to have a contest to see whose soldiers are more obedient. They are in a hotel at the top of a mountain near a cliff. | Sep 21 14:28 |
| MinceR | > Vladimir Putin instructs a soldier to run and jump off the cliff. The soldier says "Please Putin, I have a wife and children!" Putin lets him go. | Sep 21 14:28 |
| MinceR | > Kim Jong Un instructs a soldier to jump. The soldier runs to jump off the cliff. Putin grabs him before he can, telling him not to jump. The soldier says "Please Putin, I have a wife and children!" | Sep 21 14:28 |
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| absentia | talk about lenovo locking here? | Sep 21 14:48 |
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| MinceR | yes | Sep 21 14:52 |
| absentia | I assume this is something that microsoft is now just starting to roll out (signature edition?) and it will be seen more and more in the future -- not just with shady companies like lenovo? | Sep 21 14:53 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 14:53 |
| absentia | ie: this is MS, not lenovo (and nevermind lenovo has enough shadiness on their own) | Sep 21 14:53 |
| absentia | I haven't purchased a laptop in 12 years... I just need to make sure I know all the crap MS (and others) are pulling -- as I often get asked for recommendations. | Sep 21 14:54 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to buy a laptop soon | Sep 21 14:54 |
| MinceR | and things don't seem to promising | Sep 21 14:54 |
| absentia | I am looking to purchase a game machine this year -- not a laptop ... and I dought that I'd want to boot linux/freebsd, but being prevented from doing so -- is another issue. You never know what you might want to do in the future. | Sep 21 14:54 |
| absentia | I was reading about the bios locking a few years back... so it's interesting to see how long it takes for that to actually get out to the wild. | Sep 21 14:55 |
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| fernweh | Just woke up and am learning about this Signature PC bs... is this legit? | Sep 21 15:03 |
| MinceR | apparently so | Sep 21 15:04 |
| MinceR | looks like laws against tying and monopoly abuse have either been repealed or just aren't enforced anymore | Sep 21 15:05 |
| fernweh | And this is only with designated Signature PC's and not any of the other current models? | Sep 21 15:05 |
| MinceR | so they say | Sep 21 15:05 |
| MinceR | but so far the only case i know of is the yoga 900 or something | Sep 21 15:05 |
| MinceR | about which lenovo support said the anti-competitive fuckage is due to m$'s request regarding the "Signature PC" bullshit | Sep 21 15:05 |
| fernweh | Yes, reading the deleted threads now | Sep 21 15:05 |
| fernweh | I guess it wasn't enough to ruin the ThinkPad? | Sep 21 15:06 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if they've ruined it | Sep 21 15:06 |
| MinceR | they've undone the touch strip bullshit, the touchpad bullshit and the stupid gray color | Sep 21 15:06 |
| fernweh | Yes, but they pulled an Apple and now only have chiclet styled keyboard and widescreen displays... like the rest of the industry. | Sep 21 15:07 |
| MinceR | allegedly the keyboard feels like the old one -- i didn't have an opportunity to try it though | Sep 21 15:07 |
| MinceR | they've fucked up the keyboard layout in a slow process | Sep 21 15:08 |
| absentia | 09:05 < fernweh> And this is only with designated Signature PC's and not any of the other current models? | Sep 21 15:08 |
| absentia | fow now. | Sep 21 15:08 |
| MinceR | even my x220i tablet has the Insert key moved and the Delete key doubled in size for no good reason | Sep 21 15:08 |
| fernweh | Thank you absentia | Sep 21 15:08 |
| absentia | I expect it to spread like a virus... | Sep 21 15:08 |
| fernweh | I stopped at the x220 series and have stalled on that model for the past three years | Sep 21 15:09 |
| absentia | I was planning to never purchase from lenovo again anyway, but I expect this issue to cross into other brands... at some point. | Sep 21 15:09 |
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| fernweh | I'm in the process of creating a clamshell desktop using Intel's newer thin-mini-itx spec | Sep 21 15:09 |
| absentia | sorry to be nasy, but when lenovo went chinese owned -- that was the end. | Sep 21 15:09 |
| MinceR | also, the keyboard liquid drain holes seem to have disappeared recently | Sep 21 15:09 |
| fernweh | Yes, it's taking over the industry. We've become niche consumers | Sep 21 15:09 |
| MinceR | do you know of any good thinkpad replacements? | Sep 21 15:10 |
| MinceR | (preferably in the x-series style) | Sep 21 15:10 |
| fernweh | No | Sep 21 15:10 |
| fernweh | No, but I did read something about a retro thinkpad... it never materialized | Sep 21 15:10 |
| absentia | but it's a thinkpad in name only. | Sep 21 15:10 |
| fernweh | I've given up. I'm just going to create my own solution with a real mechanical keyboard and thin-mini-itx components. | Sep 21 15:11 |
| absentia | new lenovo != old (ibm) lenovo | Sep 21 15:11 |
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| fernweh | Not even close. I have 33ish older model thinkpad T40-T43's that prove how much the hardware has changed. | Sep 21 15:12 |
| fernweh | Those were the best of the T series | Sep 21 15:12 |
| MinceR | PowerBridge seems kind of neat though | Sep 21 15:12 |
| fernweh | I don't disagree. Lenovo has innovated... the problem is in the design and construction | Sep 21 15:13 |
| fernweh | Ergonomics and smart design do matter | Sep 21 15:14 |
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| JordiGH | holy shit, Lenovo. | Sep 21 15:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 15:36 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 21 15:37 |
| JordiGH | I hope the mainstream press picks up this story. | Sep 21 15:37 |
| MinceR | why would they care? | Sep 21 15:38 |
| MinceR | they never did | Sep 21 15:38 |
| MinceR | and people care less than ever before | Sep 21 15:38 |
| MinceR | people also don't care about having a botnet malware (known as "windows 10") factory preinstalled on their PCs | Sep 21 15:41 |
| MinceR | they also don't mind uefi, or intel boot guard, or iOS | Sep 21 15:41 |
| JordiGH | Huh, Lenovo says it was unintentional and is about having RAID on SSD Linux drivers. | Sep 21 15:41 |
| MinceR | or systemd | Sep 21 15:41 |
| JordiGH | This sounds... false? | Sep 21 15:41 |
| MinceR | strange, elsewhere it's alleged that they said it was intentional | Sep 21 15:41 |
| MinceR | due to microsoft | Sep 21 15:41 |
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| MinceR | http://66.media.tumblr.com/7bd0d896148fa1ef5b6d022b27f7734a/tumblr_odnfb1zmKh1srjwkeo1_1280.jpg | Sep 21 15:48 |
| JordiGH | I'm confused. | Sep 21 15:49 |
| absentia | I don't understand that comic | Sep 21 15:49 |
| absentia | do you read it left to right? bottom to top? | Sep 21 15:49 |
| MinceR | left to right, then down | Sep 21 15:50 |
| absentia | then I don't understand what it's trying to convey. | Sep 21 15:50 |
| JordiGH | Yeah... dude in white managed outsmart his attacker but gets killed by the police? | Sep 21 15:50 |
| JordiGH | Uh, so... police are dumb and can't tell who the bad guy is? | Sep 21 15:51 |
| MinceR | the man in green forces the man in white to bury him so that the police kills the man in white | Sep 21 15:51 |
| absentia | but the green guy had a gun | Sep 21 15:51 |
| absentia | why didn't he use it in the first place? | Sep 21 15:51 |
| MinceR | he did | Sep 21 15:51 |
| MinceR | he forced the guy in white to bury him with that threat | Sep 21 15:51 |
| absentia | oh | Sep 21 15:51 |
| absentia | "FER-REEEEZE. DON'T MOVE. PUT THE SHOVEL DOWN!!!!" | Sep 21 15:52 |
| absentia | 'but I have to move to put the shovel down!?!?' | Sep 21 15:52 |
| JordiGH | But the guy in green has his arm sticking out of the soil with his gun pointing... | Sep 21 15:52 |
| absentia | *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* | Sep 21 15:52 |
| JordiGH | This comic makes no sense. | Sep 21 15:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 21 15:54 |
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| MinceR | >Other laptops from Dell or ASUS for example also come pre-loaded with the Signature Edition. But they provide an option in the BIOS to switch the hard drive mode from RAID to AHCI; which later allows installing Linux. Lenovo however, doesn\u2019t. | Sep 21 16:17 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/Xqxsk#selection-3221.0-3221.242 | Sep 21 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux – FossBoss | Sep 21 16:17 | |
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| zstix | Does anyone know if the Lenovo BIOS issue is specific to the Yoga series, or if the carbon will have the same problem? | Sep 21 16:33 |
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| stateless | zstix, im pretty sure on the carbon you can switch to ahci | Sep 21 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fastbyte01/status/778590272452169728 | Sep 21 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fastbyte01: @Tails_live @schestowitz thanks for all your work. | Sep 21 16:47 | |
| schestowitz | wow, lots of new people abound | Sep 21 16:47 |
| schestowitz | is this because of the Lenovo thing Ryan was exploring? | Sep 21 16:48 |
| razielle_tzu | seems to be | Sep 21 16:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 16:50 |
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| JordiGH | schestowitz: Well, I'm not exactly new, just not very regular here. | Sep 21 16:51 |
| JordiGH | Quadrescence brought me here. Now I guess he's busy with IRL or something. | Sep 21 16:52 |
| JordiGH | But yeah, I came here because of Lenovo. | Sep 21 16:52 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI | Sep 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this for a long time | Sep 21 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Sep 21 16:56 | |
| schestowitz | turned out I was right | Sep 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Ryan proved it | Sep 21 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz is good with BIOS and EFI staff, AFAIK | Sep 21 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | the Lenovo thing is just the start unless we shame them enough | Sep 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | other OEMs would do the same | Sep 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's lawyers obviously have a trick up their sleeves | Sep 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | hi DaemonFC | Sep 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | you brought new crowd here | Sep 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some more media coverage is abound this morning, Indiana time | Sep 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | this morning I saw https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-install-linux-on-its-signature-pcs/ | Sep 21 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-install-linux-on-its-signature-pcs/ ) | Sep 21 16:58 | |
| schestowitz | I just got back home, DaemonFC | Sep 21 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | Just woke up after like 3 hours of sleep. LOL | Sep 21 16:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Checked my phone and saw the news. Decided to get on the laptop. | Sep 21 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Illinois, but pretty close. We're an hour behind most of Indiana. | Sep 21 16:59 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I've been reading the articles. Most of them present the basic facts. Paul Thurrott was in full tilt mode this morning. | Sep 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | ah, yes, you move to chicago | Sep 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | probably defending Microsoft, as usual | Sep 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | do you see any press articles? | Sep 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I just got back home, haven't checked yet | Sep 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I did what I could since yesterday to spread the word about this, I think it'll spread to more OEMs unless there's public shaming | Sep 21 17:02 |
| MinceR | i think it will spread anyway | Sep 21 17:03 |
| MinceR | humans want to live like north koreans | Sep 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Ah, Adrian Kingsley | Sep 21 17:03 |
| MinceR | crippled is cool | Sep 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | he just wrote about it | Sep 21 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | my wife is posting it to tuxmachines right now | Sep 21 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yes. Lenovo carefully denied everything. Careful wording. | Sep 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I see "updated" in Adrian Kingsley's headline | Sep 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | it means Lenovo or Microsoft figured out their official excuse | Sep 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | which I haven't yet read about | Sep 21 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo did. No comment from Microsoft yet. | Sep 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | "To improve system performance, Lenovo is leading an industry trend of adopting RAID on the SSDs in certain product configurations. Lenovo does not intentionally block customers using other operating systems on its devices and is fully committed to providing Linux certifications and installation guidance on a wide range of products -https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Unsupported models will rely on Linux operating system | Sep 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | vendors releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD." | Sep 21 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.lenovo.com | Linux for Personal Systems - Lenovo Support (US) | Sep 21 17:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Oops. | Sep 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | "To improve system performance, Lenovo is leading an industry trend of adopting RAID on the SSDs in certain product configurations. Lenovo does not intentionally block customers using other operating systems on its devices and is fully committed to providing Linux certifications and installation guidance on a wide range of products -https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Unsupported models will rely on Linux operating system | Sep 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | vendors releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD." | Sep 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tom_peters/status/778591782812708864 | Sep 21 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tom_peters: .@DrJillStein @schestowitz @GovGaryJohnson This is a one-issue election: Defeat Trump. | Sep 21 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 21 17:07 |
| MinceR | http://qdb.us/310743 | Sep 21 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qdb.us | QDB: Quote #310743 | Sep 21 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | It's a single SSD system. I looked at benchmarks with these things in AHCI and RAID mode and there wasn't a significant performance improvement. Linux needs "drivers". Yeah, for complex setup that applies to like three Lenovo laptops... Other Ultrabook makers let you put it in AHCI mode and that's that. | Sep 21 17:07 |
| MinceR | how many SSDs are in that piece of junk anyway? | Sep 21 17:08 |
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| Broam | and we all know softraid sucks anyway | Sep 21 17:08 |
| MinceR | oh, single | Sep 21 17:08 |
| schestowitz | OK, so Lenovo blames Microsoft | Sep 21 17:09 |
| Broam | So that's RAID what, -1? | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | good | Sep 21 17:09 |
| MinceR | that most useful of RAID modes, using an array with a single member | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | and says Microsoft is requiring this | Sep 21 17:09 |
| MinceR | Broam: something like that | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | so much for "Mirosoft loves Linux" then | Sep 21 17:09 |
| Broam | well, it's all left hand / right hand. | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | This morning I asked the Linux Foundation for their comment and added a snide remark about them taking money from Microsoft (which they do, so expect silence) | Sep 21 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | has anyone set up a petition or something to that effect, or asked regulators to look into it? | Sep 21 17:11 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, there was a lawsuit in Spain over UEFI | Sep 21 17:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe they should revisit the lawsuits in light of these latest developments | Sep 21 17:11 |
| MinceR | why, what did the regulators did about internet explorer forcing? | Sep 21 17:11 |
| MinceR | jack shit | Sep 21 17:11 |
| MinceR | humanity is ripe for extinction | Sep 21 17:12 |
| MinceR | s/s did/s do/ | Sep 21 17:12 |
| MinceR | they don't want to be free and they don't want to survive, so let them die | Sep 21 17:13 |
| Broam | you forgot your /g so here it is | Sep 21 17:13 |
| Broam | ;) | Sep 21 17:13 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-reportedly-blocking-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs/ | Sep 21 17:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | ZDNet | Sep 21 17:13 | |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK JUST NOW | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's a single SSD system. I looked at benchmarks with these things in AHCI and RAID mode and there wasn't a significant performance improvement. | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | Linux needs "drivers". Yeah, for complex and braindead stupid setup that applies to like three Lenovo laptops... Other Ultrabook makers let you put it in AHCI mode and that's that. No special drivers needed. Not Lenovo. They removed the AHCI option and then wrote new code to keep you from setting AHCI mode from EFI shell. Now they're saying they support Linux while saying "We don't support it." on these Ultrabooks. This response is such | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | nonsense. I honestly expected better. | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | My reply to their reply... | Sep 21 17:13 |
| MinceR | ooh, zdnet | Sep 21 17:13 |
| MinceR | is it worth reading their spin at all? | Sep 21 17:13 |
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| MinceR | https://scontent.ftsr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14440720_538746749667522_1913104263022370491_n.jpg?oh=3d60381a5915ec163123d8cc703eb032&oe=586C401C | Sep 21 17:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629086465945600 | Sep 21 17:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 17:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/iT9zvdrqzZ | Sep 21 17:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Sep 21 17:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2016/09/21/microsoft-blocking-linux/ | Sep 21 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Microsoft is now blocking laptops from installing Linux | Sep 21 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-said-to-ban-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs-508494.shtml | Sep 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Said to Ban Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs | Sep 21 17:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://mspoweruser.com/lenovo-denies-blocking-linux-windows-10-pcs/ | Sep 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo denies blocking Linux on its Windows 10 PCs - MSPoweruser | Sep 21 17:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37431299 | Sep 21 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo's Signature laptops refuse to install Linux - BBC News | Sep 21 17:30 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-home-signature-editions-lenovo-yogas-locked-to-disallow-linux-installations | Sep 21 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | http://techgage.com/news/if-youre-a-linux-user-be-wary-of-microsofts-signature-pcs/ | Sep 21 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If You’re A Linux User, Be Wary Of Microsoft’s ‘Signature’ PCs – Techgage | Sep 21 17:32 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/778632158055374848 | Sep 21 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: This can only mean that Windows 10 is sinking like the Titanic. https://t.co/8BS14aE7NK | Sep 21 17:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It is very clear that #microsoft lawyers crafted a war on #gnu #linux on the desktop, yet again. Ask #lenovo https://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 | Sep 21 17:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/cant-install-linux-microsoft-signature-edition-laptop | Sep 21 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | You Can't Install Linux on a Microsoft Signature Edition Laptop - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 21 17:37 | |
| Tervy | didnt see this posted yet http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/21/lenovo_denies_plot_with_microsoft_to_block_linux_installs/ | Sep 21 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Lenovo denies claims it plotted with Microsoft to block Linux installs • The Register | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629382357344256 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/UmtYq9YE2i | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) | Sep 21 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 21 17:41 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature...' | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629466427953152 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UmtYq9YE2i (www.linux.com) | Sep 21 17:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778630022466826240 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft Reportedly Requires “Signature PCs” To Be | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Locked To Only Running Windows https://t.co/kFydstVodw | Sep 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Reportedly Requires "Signature PCs" To Be Locked To Only Running Windows - Phoronix | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635207326871553 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Its “Signature PCs” https://t.co/fTCZnuEd0n | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On Its “Signature PCs” | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635208430014465 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 17:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635209558241280 | Sep 21 17:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Sep 21 17:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/iXaLVcRgIR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ts13/lenovo_responds_we_dont_intentionally_block_linux/ | Sep 21 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo responds: We don't intentionally block Linux, but operating system vendors are responsible for releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD : linux | Sep 21 17:42 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lenovo threw their employee under the bus. | Sep 21 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Unfortunately, I cannot confirm our relationship to the person at Best Buy." | Sep 21 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Part of Lenovo's response. | Sep 21 17:43 |
| razielle_tzu | this shit is a mess | Sep 21 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 21 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | They throw their own employee under the bus. Wow. Stay classy, Lenovo! | Sep 21 17:44 |
| Tervy | i surely hope it grows bigger | Sep 21 17:44 |
| Tervy | is there way to pastebin those url neatly on same place.. id love to send link package to local media outlets | Sep 21 17:45 |
| razielle_tzu | create your own by c/p-ing them? | Sep 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Tervy: yes, it might | Sep 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | depending on how they handle it | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | deleting forum threads was unwise | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | not everyone who works as mod in a "corporate" setting understands the Streisand Effect | Sep 21 17:47 |
| Tervy | i sent small link package to 1 outlet when this shitshow startted with just google cache link and screenshots from there and there | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | it just served to show they had no decent response and were covering something up | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | which in turn becomes a key part of the story | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft planned this for more OEMs | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | the exposure can force them to rethink | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | and more importantly, it undermines their "Microsoft loves Linux" PR campaign | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | which they spent a lot of money on | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | buying keynote positions with sponsorships and such... and kitschy buttons they hand out, journalists they greased up via their PR agency | Sep 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | my colleagues already heard of this story | Sep 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even tell them anything, so I guess it has spread beyond the US and it's now known about in the UK | Sep 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "well i saw a story you were mentioned in" -colleague | Sep 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "the laptops in the office are lenovo" | Sep 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know this, as I work from home | Sep 21 17:50 |
| razielle_tzu | i think it might be brought up to me by the other staff member at my computer club | Sep 21 17:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635210833272833 | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ditching Microsoft Office? Tips on how to switch to | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreOffice https://t.co/XnmFgmjZjw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ditching Microsoft Office? Tips on how to switch to LibreOffice | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635211948961793 | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Out, Here's What's New https://t.co/uPPpqJfkSA | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out, Here's What's New | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | just caught up with the 7 links above | Sep 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | rianne might add these to tuxmachines, there's probably more to come. surprised that even bbc covers it | Sep 21 17:53 |
| razielle_tzu | i'm keeping an eye on a few news feeds too but their links have already been posted.. i'm just watching for updates | Sep 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo's damage control is weak | Sep 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | defection | Sep 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | not even denial | Sep 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | can anyone find any more articles (not mentioned above)? | Sep 21 17:58 |
| razielle_tzu | so far no | Sep 21 17:58 |
| razielle_tzu | if i find anything i'll post it | Sep 21 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93792 | Sep 21 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | razielle_tzu: thanks | Sep 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | 8 in there, in addition to earlier coverage | Sep 21 18:02 |
| razielle_tzu | no problem, keeping an eye on the beeb news channel too | Sep 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | the more of them, the more pressure for Microsoft's lawyers to drop this NDA-hidden anti-Linux contract | Sep 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, these contracts are still secrets | Sep 21 18:03 |
| razielle_tzu | doubt it's gonna be mentioned on the bbc1 news update but it might get a mention in the tech update on bbc news | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | so Lenovo will try to blame some "rotten Apple" employees or Microsoft | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Although blaming Microsoft is risky for them | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | as Microsoft can start charging them more in retribution | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | reprisal | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | as DaemonFC said, they're shooting down their own cannon fodder staff | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | scapegoating them to make both Lenovo and Microsoft look innocent | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | BBC was gonna write about EPO sending me threats | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | but then it spiked the story | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | for unknown reasons, I can only speculate about them | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Sep 21 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Sep 21 18:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | [–]from RobertNAdams sent 6 hours ago | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Good day, | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | My name is Robert N. Adams and I write for TechRaptor.net, a gaming, technology, and tabletop site. | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm working on a news piece relating to the issue you are experiencing with the Yoga 900 and would like to ask you a few questions regarding your experience to use in the article. | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you believe that the inability to install Linux due to a BIOS setting is a deliberate choice by Lenovo or do you believe that it is a side effect of unrelated design decisions in the BIOS? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think the reasoning for these BIOs settings being in place is in the event that these BIOS settings were employed in the Yoga 900 at Microsoft's behest? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you feel that BIOS settings of this nature ought to be disclosed more clearly prior to purchasing of a product? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you have any further commentary on this matter? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Anything you say may or may not be used as a portion of the news piece provided that I get a response from you in time. It also has to pass through editorial, and that means that your interview may be trimmed down for readability or cut entirely. The article itself may not go to press in a timely fashion or at all. It's unlikely, but it's a possibility that I want you to be aware of just in case things don't work out. | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I can full well understand that you may be reluctant to comment on this issue. If you would prefer not to answer any questions or state anything off the record that would be fine. I would really appreciate a "no comment" reply or similar if you would prefer not to say anything. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Regardless of your response, if the article goes to press it will indicate that I have reached out to you in this fashion. (It will state something like "We have reached out to the creator of the Reddit post.") Our editors are not yet awake, so I may also have follow-up questions in addition to these should you choose to respond and if we move forward with the article. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Lastly, I will be reaching out to the companies involved and I'm currently engaged in researching this topic myself. I will be doing a bit more than simply copy/pasting the content of your post or anything like that. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| Tervy | did this come here already http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/21/12994362/allo-privacy-message-logs-google | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | You can view my body of work on the site here: | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://techraptor.net/content/author/radams | Sep 21 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google backs off on previously announced Allo privacy feature - The Verge | Sep 21 18:16 | |
| DaemonFC | If you would like to verify my identity independent of this Reddit account, you can e-mail me at RobertNAdams@techraptor.net or send me a tweet at @Robert_N_Adams and I'll reply. I'll be available for the next few hours. I hope to hear back from you. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 18:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techraptor.net | Robert N. Adams, Author at TechRaptor | Sep 21 18:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Regards, | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Robert N. Adams | Sep 21 18:16 |
| schestowitz | well done getting the word out, DaemonFC | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkdeletereportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | [–]to RobertNAdams sent just now | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Hello Robert, | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll try to answer your questions in order here. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that it was a deliberate design choice made by Lenovo, and I say that because the BIOS code that they use has AHCI mode available for the storage device, which Linux and Windows understand without any special drivers. Lenovo patched the code to remove the AHCI mode from the BIOS setup utility and then they wrote additional code to make sure that you can't set AHCI mode with an EFI variable using EFI shell. So, I'd say it's | Sep 21 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Tervy: not yet, thanks, will add it into our daily links in techrights | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | definitely deliberate, and can't see any LEGITIMATE reason why they would have. It isn't really faster, it makes recovering Windows from Microsoft's installer very difficult if you have to later. About the only thing putting a single SSD setup into RAID mode using the BIOS gives you is (a) Linux won't be able to use the storage and (b) greater potential for data loss. Also, given that the Lenovo employee said that they caused the issue to | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | "lock" the system to Windows per their agreement with Microsoft....Well, why wouldn't I believe them? Lenovo's official statement to the media has been "Unfortunately, [we] cannot confirm our relationship to the person at Best Buy.", and I find that odd because it said "Lenovo" on the signature of their reply. So they're throwing their employee under the bus. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Microsoft and Lenovo agreed to lock Linux out, and forcing RAID mode accomplishes that. In the last 11 months, nobody except one Lenovo forum poster that used a modded BIOS and an external flasher to get around Lenovo's signature check on BIOS updates has managed to install Linux on the Yoga models affected by this. I believe that Lenovo and Microsoft figured that if Linux ever did get driver support for this configuration, | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | that it would be years after the product was released, so it might as well be forever. Most people replace their laptop every 5 years or less, so almost nobody would ever be able to run Linux on the Yoga laptops while in their designed service life. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that if you're going to sell someone a general purpose computer where installing an operating system is going to be difficult or impossible, you should have to say that on the packaging or on the website description. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I do have a further comment. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully worded. They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 21 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | One site has them blaming Linux vendors | Sep 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | for Linux being blocked | Sep 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | which is of course laughable | Sep 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | site having load issues | Sep 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz | which is weird, it doesn't look so severe from the back end | Sep 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz | test: http://techrights.org/2016/09/20/whitewashing-the-investigative-unit/ | Sep 21 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s ‘Investigative’ Function is Totally Out of Control and Continues to Get Bigger, Whitewashed by So-called ‘Review’ | Techrights | Sep 21 18:23 | |
| schestowitz | ok, better after the httpd restart | Sep 21 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | mysqld still screaming, maybe something malicious, need to check to be sure.. | Sep 21 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | lots of cracking attempts, about 3 per second | Sep 21 18:24 |
| schestowitz | which is a lot more than usual | Sep 21 18:24 |
| Tervy | origin ? | Sep 21 18:26 |
| schestowitz | varnish cache | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to look at the cache front end | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and then figure it out from varnishlog streams, which takes a lot of time | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I think the site should work fine again, I added some blocks | Sep 21 18:30 |
| razielle_tzu | it's working | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | mysql using up 2-3 cores all the time | Sep 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz | varnish makes it complicated to add custom pages | Sep 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | over the past 20 minutes many people got error messages, nagios sent me lots of alerts | Sep 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "guru meditation" is not as informative as "try again later" | Sep 21 18:33 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/halloween-feast | Sep 21 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Halloween Feast | Sep 21 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | banality | Sep 21 18:53 |
| MinceR | fatality | Sep 21 18:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out,...' | Sep 21 19:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656834903302148 | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Its “Signature PCs” https://t.co/fTCZnuEd0n | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 19:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On Its “Signature PCs” | Tux Machines | Sep 21 19:07 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that too | Sep 21 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660093604814850 | Sep 21 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz yep! and UNIX | Sep 21 19:30 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660189075566592 | Sep 21 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz Lenovo is making shit and more shit in mobile also! | Sep 21 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | M Garrett has just defended Microsoft and Lenovo | Sep 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but that's exactly expected | Sep 21 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | also Microsoft boosters from IDG | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | trying to blame "storage woes" | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | pathetic | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | anything to defend Microsoft | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | as can be expected | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | and those who want to believe might actually believe | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660514960384000 https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660793382477824 | Sep 21 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz if u try any other distro than debian based and some rpm on lenovo u will find MSDOS partition if u dont partition manually | Sep 21 19:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@schestowitz en EUFI re-enabled even if u disabled it before on vendor bios SOLUTION > LIBRE BOOT + DEBIAN | Sep 21 19:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861653 | Sep 21 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mozilla emits JavaScript debugger for Firefox and Chrome http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/20/mozilla_emits_javascript_debugger_for_firefox_and_chrome/ #mozilla #firefox | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Mozilla emits JavaScript debugger for Firefox and Chrome • The Register | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/09/introducing-debugger-html/ | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | debugger.html is a modern JavaScript debugger from Mozilla, built as a web application with React and Redux. | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | But React is under a free/libre license but with an exception for patents ! http://react-etc.net/entry/your-license-to-use-react-js-can-be-revoked-if-you-compete-with-facebook https://github.com/facebook/react/blob/master/PATENTS | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Introducing debugger.html ★ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-react-etc.net | Your license to use React.js can be revoked if you compete with Facebook | React, etc. Tech Stack | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-react/PATENTS at master · facebook/react · GitHub | Sep 21 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder how much this patents stuff will in practice be used by Facebook to attack forks | Sep 21 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | AFAIK, it's not really FOSS because of restrictions facebook added to it | Sep 21 19:38 |
| schestowitz | sneaky tactic | Sep 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778663488973602820 | Sep 21 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz UEFI, sorry f mistyping, wrote fast | Sep 21 19:40 | |
| MinceR | http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/09-SEP/MAD-Magazine-Trump-Skittles_57e14f78459c88.92792698.jpg | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | "sad news for a longtime thinkpad user… : (" | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | "Sad indeed. My idea pad was the first laptop I was puroud of.' | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | The Thinkpad T500 is one of the best free software laptop and now they are trying to block the system. | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Why? Wtf | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | IBM wouldn't have done this. | Sep 21 19:42 |
| MinceR | oh yes they would | Sep 21 19:42 |
| MinceR | they helped m$ to power, and now they're promoting crApple | Sep 21 19:43 |
| MinceR | fuck ibm | Sep 21 19:43 |
| MinceR | but use protection | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | IBM is dangerous | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | they're too smart for that | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | they'd sue companies with swpats | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | lobby for swpats | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | and maybe even liaise with enemies of Linux | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | but what Lenovo does to UNIX and Linux people is dumb | Sep 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM would have enough people in there to forewarn | Sep 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and I guess other OEMs now watch what happens to Lenovo and say internally, "we must not accept this agreement from Microsoft" | Sep 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Sad…Lenovo Thinkpads was the best laptops to use with Gnu/Linux…" | Sep 21 19:45 |
| schestowitz | "Ok, Is it possible that the same machines sold in Europe to not have the same locked BIOS ? http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-transform-windows-pc-windows-signature-pc" | Sep 21 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 19:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalcitizen.life | How to Transform a Windows PC Into a Microsoft Signature PC | Sep 21 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | Either way, Lenovo demonstrate bad faith and UNIX/Linux people need to punish Lenovo for it (also for servers/mobile, they bought IBM's units) | Sep 21 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861056 | Sep 21 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo malware, spying and various other recent scandals (now locking/shutting #gnu #linux out) serve to remind us to boycott Lenovo. | Sep 21 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | "Okay." | Sep 21 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7855907 | Sep 21 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Discord at #Libreboot Over #GNU Withdrawal http://fossforce.com/2016/09/discord-at-libreboot-over-gnu-withdrawal/ "lead developer who is out-of-control." | Sep 21 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | "Ugh! Wow…" | Sep 21 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fossforce.com | Discord at Libreboot Over GNU Withdrawal | FOSS Force | Sep 21 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7853336 | Sep 21 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dissent against #Libreboot developer Leah Rowe http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html #fsf #freesw | Sep 21 19:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> zammit.org | Libreboot screwup | Sep 21 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | "Leah Rowe is wrong" | Sep 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I guess this news got buried by now, partly because of the bootgate of Lenovo | Sep 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz | http://cup.efl.com/# | Sep 21 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ http://cup.efl.com/# ) | Sep 21 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Will Manchester City retain the EFL Cup in 2016/17?" | Sep 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know they had taken it... | Sep 21 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 21 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 20:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blogisch/status/778668896018726912 | Sep 21 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blogisch: @schestowitz more on https://t.co/DmvR3gMR3D | Sep 21 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: seen several more articles by now | Sep 21 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I posted on Lenovo's forum again... | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I like how he admits he doesn't know for sure and then speculates that it may be related to power management. | Sep 21 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | But then he insists that it's not Lenovo trying to lock out other operating systems. How does he know? | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Even if the device would get worse battery life (which we don't know that it would, and nobody who booted up Linux on the ISK model or Live on the ISK2 reported their laptop "melting"), it should be up to the user. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | He says that if his hunch is right, it's a cheap hack to work around lousy power management in the default Windows storage driver, and Lenovo probably did it to prevent a user from ending up toggling it in the BIOS setup program by mistake and ending up with Windows not booting, or lousy power management if it did. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | If it was to prevent a clueless user from ending up in that situation where Windows wouldn't boot if they toggled it to AHCI mode, then why did Lenovo write code to make sure that if you used an EFI variable to set it, that it would switch it back to RAID? Is a user that doesn't know what they're doing likely to be in the EFI shell? | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Do we know Linux has lousy power management like Windows does? I don't think we know that at this point. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if we could install Linux and test the hypothesis out, but unfortunately, *someone* made sure that we can't install Linux and see. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully constructed. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:05 | |
| DaemonFC | But if you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 20:05 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-19 | Sep 21 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hire Agile Programmers - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-19 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 21 20:10 | |
| MinceR | 21 204334 < schestowitz> but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 20:10 |
| MinceR | shilling for crApple is an "anti-Linux thing" | Sep 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | not directly | Sep 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | they made an "enterprise" liaison | Sep 21 20:12 |
| MinceR | one that was completely unnecessary | Sep 21 20:13 |
| MinceR | and one that doesn't help ibm in any way | Sep 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Agile" buzzword | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: my wife saw that earlier | Sep 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | she liked the first comment | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: is it a meaningful one? | Sep 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | dunno? | Sep 21 20:16 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | the PHBs keep coming up with stupid words | Sep 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | turns out they're either synonyms or some business school terms | Sep 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I guess if they're agile, they'll fall more quickly out the window... or something | Sep 21 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 20:21 | |
| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schestowitz." | Sep 21 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 20:21 | |
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| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776estowitz." | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776 | Sep 21 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #x86 should in general be shunned and phased out, over time, for it contains back doors (ME) since 2009 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences | Sep 21 20:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights | Sep 21 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656839697301504 | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 20:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 20:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <DaemonFC> Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | The replies are better than the post | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | see the first one for example | Sep 21 20:45 |
| MinceR | strange, he was capable of recognizing how IPMI sucked | Sep 21 21:05 |
| MinceR | but not how uefi and this RAID-(-1) sucks | Sep 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | convenient excuses for those who need excuses, I guess | Sep 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | helps obfuscate even further what's in the deal behind NDA and why these choices were made | Sep 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawid_wiktor/status/778687966625476608 | Sep 21 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawid_wiktor: @schestowitz If someone want to fork it to save the project - Inspire is ready to help: https://t.co/ljIxXuTEbS | Sep 21 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to help out with a libreboot fork | Sep 21 21:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/alpha | Sep 21 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Alpha | Sep 21 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | 'oops' | Sep 21 21:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681156212359168 | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Zrld6o6XC1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681155050573824 | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zMdjAGFWEU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 21:44 | |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/your-husband | Sep 21 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Your Husband | Sep 21 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think you use irssi | Sep 21 21:55 |
| MinceR | i do | Sep 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | security fix? | Sep 21 21:55 |
| MinceR | can't | Sep 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | under wear?! | Sep 21 21:56 |
| MinceR | oh, my version isn't vulnerable anyway | Sep 21 22:03 |
| schestowitz | famous last words and all.. | Sep 21 22:04 |
| MinceR | >Irssi 0.8.17 and later | Sep 21 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I've just upgraded 3 servers | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Debian | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | (for GE) | Sep 21 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7872236 | Sep 21 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the media doesn't make a big stink over #microsoft and #lenovo blocking #gnu #linux we ( #techrights ) will | Sep 21 22:28 | |
| schestowitz | "it is a big stink and a sad day for all the thinkpad linux users and free choices in general" | Sep 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | "They also sell servers, so this can hurt them badly. Geeks control what servers get bought." | Sep 21 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 22:29 | |
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| MinceR | does anyone know what this "may be downloaded and installed automatically" thing is, exactly? >> http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/android-7.0-nougat-update-840x560.jpg | Sep 21 23:13 |
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| dblaber | wah | Sep 22 00:08 |
| razielle_tzu | wah? | Sep 22 00:08 |
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| dblaber | so the new non evil microsoft popping its head i guess? | Sep 22 00:11 |
| cubexyz | nothing non about it | Sep 22 00:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Sep 22 00:14 |
| cubexyz | the history of stealing computer time predates Microsoft itself | Sep 22 00:15 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 22 00:15 |
| MinceR | there was a non-evil microsoft? when did the real microsoft sue them for trademark infringement? | Sep 22 00:17 |
| cubexyz | and I sure can remember Microsoft asking manufacturers to make ACPI harder for Linux to implement | Sep 22 00:18 |
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| cubexyz | IBM invented SMB protocol and Microsoft made CIFS | Sep 22 00:19 |
| MinceR | m$ rebranded their version of SMB as CIFS | Sep 22 00:20 |
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| cubexyz | M$ made their own DNS thing I think | Sep 22 00:22 |
| dblaber | WINS? | Sep 22 00:23 |
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| cubexyz | yeah for NetBIOS | Sep 22 00:25 |
| cubexyz | oh and Lenovo is full of it regarding the BIOS problem | Sep 22 00:27 |
| cubexyz | the fact that the older version worked... | Sep 22 00:28 |
| cubexyz | and putting a SSD Raid on a laptop? | Sep 22 00:31 |
| cubexyz | really? :) | Sep 22 00:31 |
| cubexyz | yeah I usually run RAIDs when I'm carrying my laptop around | Sep 22 00:32 |
| cubexyz | don't buy the Yoga 900 ISK2 | Sep 22 00:34 |
| cubexyz | if you can find the older one then fine | Sep 22 00:34 |
| dblaber | i liked lenovo until i started reading this today | Sep 22 00:34 |
| dblaber | love their thinkpads | Sep 22 00:34 |
| cubexyz | a RAID with one SSD | Sep 22 00:35 |
| MinceR | really, an SSD "RAID" that consists of a single "disk" | Sep 22 00:36 |
| MinceR | it's a redundant array because making an "array" of one disk is really redundant | Sep 22 00:36 |
| cubexyz | I'd say go HP | Sep 22 00:37 |
| cubexyz | I've had pretty good experiences with HP laptops | Sep 22 00:37 |
| razielle_tzu | i've had good experiences with both hp and toshiba | Sep 22 00:38 |
| cubexyz | it took me 4 years before I got the HP 4470C scanner working under Linux | Sep 22 00:41 |
| cubexyz | so now I check things a lot more carefully | Sep 22 00:42 |
| cubexyz | and Toshiba said they were going to stop making consumer laptops | Sep 22 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | pity | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | yes, which means no more Toshiba chromebooks either | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | they'll still sell to the corporate market though | Sep 22 00:44 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Sep 22 00:44 |
| MinceR | i've been told scary things about HP | Sep 22 00:45 |
| MinceR | and i've heard of a toshiba laptop with a crappy hinge | Sep 22 00:46 |
| MinceR | i'm wary of hinges since the hinge broke itself on my first laptop | Sep 22 00:46 |
| MinceR | what's HP's and Toshiba's track record on GNU/Linux support? | Sep 22 00:46 |
| cubexyz | I still own a HP NX9030 and it works great | Sep 22 00:48 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit old though | Sep 22 00:48 |
| cubexyz | Toshiba made chromebooks... at least up to 2016 | Sep 22 00:49 |
| cubexyz | HP ended a lot of their non-Windows developer support programs back in Aug 2001 | Sep 22 00:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html | Sep 22 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-on-laptops.com | Linux on Toshiba Laptops & Notebooks | Sep 22 00:52 | |
| cubexyz | I'd say Toshiba wasn't actively hostile to Linux | Sep 22 00:52 |
| razielle_tzu | they're not | Sep 22 00:53 |
| MinceR | is that site still being updated? | Sep 22 00:53 |
| cubexyz | I think anyone can submit entries | Sep 22 00:54 |
| cubexyz | slackware 13 is mentioned :) | Sep 22 00:55 |
| cubexyz | I guess that's around 2009 era | Sep 22 00:55 |
| cubexyz | I think Stallman uses an older Thinkpad, a Lenovo (!) X200 | Sep 22 01:05 |
| cubexyz | so you can't just say Lenovo == BAD | Sep 22 01:05 |
| MinceR | i use an X220i Tablet | Sep 22 01:05 |
| MinceR | (also lenovo) | Sep 22 01:05 |
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| cubexyz | so you're happy with it? | Sep 22 01:06 |
| MinceR | mostly | Sep 22 01:06 |
| MinceR | i'm thinking of upgrading to an X260 once i have the money | Sep 22 01:06 |
| MinceR | but lenovo's behavior lately is making me question this plan | Sep 22 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | 00:20] <MinceR> m$ rebranded their version of SMB as CIFS | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we published documents about it | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | around 8 years ago | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | very details antitrust petition | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | from ECIS or something | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/marywallace07/status/778710104136781824 | Sep 22 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@marywallace07: @schestowitz @ClancyKieran @FOSSpatents @technology It's long past time O'Brien was picked on! | Sep 22 01:37 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jimmersecoolish/status/778763499614920704 | Sep 22 02:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jimmersecoolish: @schestowitz the greens have been utterly failing to "try to build" an alternative for at least 20 years now. absolutely a wasted vote. | Sep 22 02:14 | |
| schestowitz | Untrue, given the difficult political climate which suppresses third parties | Sep 22 02:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/778763740078628864 | Sep 22 02:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Both groups founded on theft https://t.co/xrkTwIQsSx | Sep 22 02:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Russia has oligarchs, we’re told, but US has “job creators” https://t.co/mRvyVjeAZ3 | Sep 22 02:15 | |
| cubexyz | ha, the lenovo brouhaha has spilled over into slashdot | Sep 22 02:20 |
| schestowitz | cool. | Sep 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | url? | Sep 22 02:23 |
| cubexyz | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1838252/lenovo-denies-claims-it-plotted-with-microsoft-to-block-linux-installs | Sep 22 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Lenovo Denies Claims It Plotted With Microsoft To Block Linux Installs - Slashdot | Sep 22 02:23 | |
| cubexyz | Having a legacy compatibility mode, but making it inaccessible without a soldering iron? That's just malice." | Sep 22 02:23 |
| MinceR | and you can bet it voids the warranty | Sep 22 02:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681153901383689 | Sep 22 02:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency | Sep 22 02:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (IDR) https://t.co/OCtmcSFc1p (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 02:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency (IDR) | Tux Machines | Sep 22 02:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768384746029056 | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Out, Here's What's New https://t.co/rwJEj2Mshh | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out, Here's What's New | Sep 22 02:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768588010360832 | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (IDR) https://t.co/sYhObB7ttm (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Tizen Store in Indonesia now supports Iocal currency (IDR) - Tizen Experts | Sep 22 02:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768719984128004 | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jgUdXt9Yot (hackerboards.com) | Sep 22 02:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 22 02:32 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: PC World are even worse than this | Sep 22 02:36 |
| schestowitz | just installing Linux apparently voids the warranty | Sep 22 02:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778768887370420224 | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dd2zkzGTlh (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon - Tizen Experts | Sep 22 02:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778770448842711041 | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Surprise! Microsoft Isn’t Blocking Linux on Lenovo | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Laptops https://t.co/9Zh2V9bint (fossforce.com) | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Surprise! Microsoft Isn't Blocking Linux on Lenovo Laptops | FOSS Force | Sep 22 02:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778772522904985600 | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fatal Theory, a retro inspired beat 'em up now on Linux, | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | some thoughts included https://t.co/Cp2vAv8Fpd | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 22 02:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fatal Theory, a retro inspired beat 'em up now on Linux, some thoughts included | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 02:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778772693684551682 | Sep 22 02:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Man O' War: Corsair - Warhammer Naval Battles looks like | Sep 22 02:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | it's now planned to come to Linux https://t.co/4990z1JtAp | Sep 22 02:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 22 02:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Man O' War: Corsair - Warhammer Naval Battles looks like it's now planned to come to Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 02:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778773040427655168 | Sep 22 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MATE 1.16 Desktop Environment Officially Released with | Sep 22 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | More GTK+ 3 Improvements https://t.co/U2R5jJ1wRX | Sep 22 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 22 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MATE 1.16 Desktop Environment Officially Released with More GTK+ 3 Improvements | Sep 22 02:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778773445400260608 | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "looks like the initial information from Lenovo was | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | incorrect that it's likely not an intentional Linux | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | block." https://t.co/kFydstVodw (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Reportedly Requires "Signature PCs" To Be Locked To Only Running Windows - Phoronix | Sep 22 02:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778774566143455236 | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zombie Night Terror, the really fun Lemmings style Zombie | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | game is now out for Linux https://t.co/TJhTFiOUOk | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 22 02:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zombie Night Terror, the really fun Lemmings style Zombie game is now out for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 02:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778774730371457024 | Sep 22 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Classic Flash game 'The Majesty of Colors' is being | Sep 22 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | remastered and will release on Linux | Sep 22 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5RgNcPUsyL (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 22 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 02:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Classic Flash game 'The Majesty of Colors' is being remastered and will release on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 02:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @jfoxdev favourited 'Zombie Night Terror, the really fun Lemmings style...' | Sep 22 02:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The Android version of Lenovo's funky Yoga Book | Sep 22 04:01 |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3436016#M8353 | Sep 22 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 22 - Lenovo Community | Sep 22 04:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 22 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 07:46 PM - edited 09-21-2016 08:24 PM | Sep 22 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo just issued a press release praising Windows 10. Windows 10 is so unstable on the Yoga 900 that updates freeze (I had to get the offline update package for the last cumulative update because it kept stalling out at 45%), the Bluetooth glitches all the time and says to restart the computer because you paired your headphones, and I've had lots of other weird problems with Windows 10. I doubt any OS could be more annoying. Microsoft | Sep 22 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Edge playing Spotify bloats the tab up to 2,200 MB of RAM... | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | The funniest part was they said that flipping it into tablet mode might not work right in Linux. Tablet mode is a gimmick because these things are just too heavy to use in that mode. They're easily three times heavier than an Android tablet and so that mode isn't incredibly useful. I wouldn't care if it didn't work because I never use that mode anyway. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | And multi-touch support in Ubuntu is pretty good, so I think Lenovo is just making things up at this point. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 08:34 PM | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the thing is, that in Andy_Lenovo's comment about not wanting customers to complain in the store, which is outdated, he forgot another thing that used to be true. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | The customer is _always_ right. If your customer wants to run Linux on their computer, then there shouldn't be artificial barriers constructed and excuses made. It should be able to go into a mode where Linux works. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Other Ultrabook makers had the forced RAID mode that stopped Linux installs, and Dell, for example, removed it when people screamed about it. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Look, Lenovo, I would have loved to give this thing a better review. The hardware is nice. Looking at a HiDPI display makes you never want to go back to anything less. I like the computer. I don't particularly like Windows 10. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | I've been using PCs since the 1980s. I got my first one when I was five, and Windows 10 is one of my least favorite operating systems ever. When Windows Vista came along and it ran poorly on my laptop, I didn't have to return the laptop to the store because I installed Linux and I used Linux for close to a decade. Not a single Windows machine in the house. I'm just wondering why I can't do the same thing here. If other people think Windows | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | 10 is good, then they have every right to keep using it. It should be a choice. | Sep 22 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | Freedom doesn't flow from the barrel of a gun, and what you're doing right now is quietly breaking Linux and slipping it in as an upgrade to a computer (Yoga 900) whose original model made it sound like a fantastic Linux machine, then playing gotcha games with users who are stuck on Windows 10. An operating system that still doesn't work right, coming with components (like Microsoft Edge) that still feel like beta quality software three | Sep 22 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | major releases later. | Sep 22 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | So maybe instead of saying your customers should just shut up, you should learn to better serve your customers. | Sep 22 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | It would be so easy that you could have done it effortlessly, just by not removing a storage mode that the code of your BIOS supported. It's easier to do the right thing than to perpetually make empty excuses. I hope you come to agree. | Sep 22 04:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | OpenDaylight Introduces 'Boron' SDN Platform Release | Sep 22 04:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | OpenDaylight Rolls Out 'Boron' SDN Platform Release | Sep 22 04:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3435853#M8348 | Sep 22 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 21 - Lenovo Community | Sep 22 04:43 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Regarding Matthew Garrett being on the FSF board. | Sep 22 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 22 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 01:37 PM - edited 09-21-2016 01:37 PM | Sep 22 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | The FSF hasn't been as careful in selecting their board members as they should have been on several occasions, including when they let Miguel de Icaza in, who ran a company trying to get Microsoft technologies into Linux in ways that are legally dangerous to use. A covenant not to sue is not a patent license. Anyway, Xamarin is now owned by Microsoft, and so look where that went. | Sep 22 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:43 | |
| DaemonFC | I obviously am concerned about the FSFs decisions sometimes, but they are free to appoint whoever they want, including Microsoft boosters. | Sep 22 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3435836#M8345 | Sep 22 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 21 - Lenovo Community | Sep 22 04:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 01:20 PM - edited 09-21-2016 01:24 PM | Sep 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | According to Matthew Garrett, putting it in RAID forces it to bypass the Windows driver which has horrible power management functionality and load Intel's driver instead. So if that's the case, Lenovo is hacking around a problem with Windows power management. He blames Intel and says that they won't even tell Microsoft how power management works. I find that hard to believe considering that most Intel hardware is extensively documented. | Sep 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | They even have a dedicated open source team writing Linux graphics drivers that don't make you install flakey proprietary crap like some graphics card companies. We all know the one I speak of, but I don't want to say the name and risk provoking moderators. | Sep 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I doubt that Microsoft couldn't get the documents for power management from Intel. They're in a position to demand anything they want. | Sep 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 04:46 | |
| DaemonFC | So I respectfully disagree with Mr. Garrett about this being a power management issue, primarily. If people want to sacrifice battery life, that's their business, if in fact that is an issue with Linux. I welcome people who can run Linux to compare the runtime on a battery charge in Linux to the runtime on Windows. I would be very interested in those numbers so we're dealing with a known fact. But I'd like to run Linux even if I lose a few | Sep 22 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | minutes from my ten hour charge. It would not affect Windows users because they would still default to RAID. | Sep 22 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | from bmullan via /r/linux sent 3 hours ago | Sep 22 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | I looked up the Leno Yoga 900... and as far as I can find it can ONLY have 1 drive... so what kind of RAID only uses 1 drive ???? | Sep 22 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (1313)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 22 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's a fake RAID set up to bypass a Windows storage driver with horrible power management issues, at least according to Matthew Garrett. I'm sorry that people so high up in the FSF and the Linux world can be so defeatist in their thinking. | Sep 22 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | In a way, having to listen to "It's our fault for not supporting RAID mode on a system that shouldn't be in RAID mode." or some version of it every time a PC OEM does something bonehead stupid or evil is like listening to a battered woman explain to the police why it's not her abusive boyfriend's fault that he got drunk and bashed her head into the wall. | Sep 22 04:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Wants Your Opinion On Scopes and Colors | Sep 22 05:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues | Sep 22 05:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | non-denial denial https://t.co/jyrRch46F5 | Sep 22 05:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 05:10 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, In the meantime, I suggested going into the BIOS and flipping Intel VT-x support back on (Lenovo disabled it) so Linux guests in a virtual machine would run better. :P | Sep 22 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | [–]from RabRob sent 9 hours ago | Sep 22 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | BBC news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37431299 | Sep 22 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkdeletereportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | [–]to RabRob sent just now | Sep 22 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | I did like the BBC's handling of the article. I appreciated that they mentioned the fact that Ubuntu is more efficient and reliable than Windows. I'm sure that burned more than a few Microsoft Tech Evangelists. | Sep 22 05:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Lenovo's Signature laptops refuse to install Linux - BBC News | Sep 22 05:21 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: lots more articles | Sep 22 05:41 |
| schestowitz | I annotated a few in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93811 | Sep 22 05:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In a world of free operating systems, can Windows 10 survive? | Tux Machines | Sep 22 05:42 | |
| schestowitz | I can see about 30 articles | Sep 22 05:42 |
| schestowitz | some are trying in Microsoft's and Lenovo's lies | Sep 22 05:42 |
| schestowitz | typically from Microsoft's Paul T | Sep 22 05:42 |
| schestowitz | and fools who repeat it | Sep 22 05:42 |
| schestowitz | Swapnil too repeated it, I guess he's still insistent on being a pawn of Microsoft, since years back... | Sep 22 05:43 |
| cubexyz | don't forget AMI gets part of the blame too | Sep 22 05:43 |
| cubexyz | I'm guessing it's an AMI bios | Sep 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | they chose it | Sep 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | they could make better choices | Sep 22 05:43 |
| cubexyz | definitely | Sep 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | but were probably uninterested | Sep 22 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, According to my estimates, we've brought this to the attention of at least 100,000 people, maybe more. | Sep 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | this was pointed out in the comments on M Garrett's posy | Sep 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | *posy | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | >post | Sep 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | Just the ones who clicked through to the Lenovo forum thread amount to about 68,000 | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, over a million | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | In reddit alone it would be over 100,000 | Sep 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah? | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | For sure | Sep 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | Whoa. | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | some just read the headline and move on | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | without clicking | Sep 22 05:44 |
| schestowitz | reddit's front page is seen by millions | Sep 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | So even people who don't know what it all means know Lenovo has done something rotten. | Sep 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | Might look into it some more. | Sep 22 05:45 |
| cubexyz | AMI is indeed a crappy choice... closed source, built with microsoft tools, it's hard to imagine anything worse | Sep 22 05:45 |
| schestowitz | it was obvbious excuses would come | Sep 22 05:45 |
| schestowitz | see what I wrote in Twitter about it | Sep 22 05:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/with_replies scroll down to stuff with "lenovo" in it, you'll see | Sep 22 05:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tweets with replies by Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz) | Twitter | Sep 22 05:45 | |
| schestowitz | I knew they'd make up excuses and lies | Sep 22 05:45 |
| schestowitz | And I was right, I thought of how they'd spin it while I was in the sauna, and I was mostly right, they shift blame to hardware | Sep 22 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Remember how you exposed Foxconn with their crappy code? | Sep 22 05:46 |
| cubexyz | if you search google for lenovo news a "can't run linux" link is number 1 :) | Sep 22 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Was that in Digg? | Sep 22 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Ubuntu Forums.. | Sep 22 05:46 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: good, so that's what they'd be stigmatised for | Sep 22 05:47 |
| schestowitz | other OEMs would capitalise on it | Sep 22 05:47 |
| schestowitz | and maybe advertise openly, we support free OSes | Sep 22 05:47 |
| cubexyz | I grabbed some comments about Foxconn from slashdot around 2008 | Sep 22 05:48 |
| cubexyz | making ACPI not work on Linux, or at least making it a lot harder to implement | Sep 22 05:48 |
| cubexyz | it all goes back to datasheets though | Sep 22 05:49 |
| cubexyz | if you have the datasheets for the chips, it's just a matter of time before Linux/BSD people write the necessary code to use those chips | Sep 22 05:50 |
| cubexyz | sometimes it takes years | Sep 22 05:50 |
| cubexyz | RealTek chip RTS8891 comes to mind... | Sep 22 05:52 |
| cubexyz | it had to be reverse engineered | Sep 22 05:52 |
| cubexyz | Realtek didn't give out any info about that chip | Sep 22 05:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: mostly geeks read about this | Sep 22 05:54 |
| schestowitz | which is what you want | Sep 22 05:54 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo sells servers | Sep 22 05:54 |
| schestowitz | and geeks decide which one/s | Sep 22 05:54 |
| schestowitz | When I write about patents I don't write to a big audience, but you just need the relevant audience, the one you seek to influence, like patent attorneys, examiners, etc. | Sep 22 05:55 |
| schestowitz | If you want mass exposure (to a billion+ people), write about sports, gossip, celebs (Brad+Angelina now)... much broader reach, but useless crap. Like selling sex... | Sep 22 05:56 |
| schestowitz | same goes for languages. If you write in Danish, then your audience is already very much limited, even on an internationally-accessible WWW | Sep 22 05:56 |
| cubexyz | basically the RTS8891 was cracked by intercepting USB messages to the scanner | Sep 22 05:56 |
| cubexyz | so always a way to make it work, but it's a slow and painful process | Sep 22 05:57 |
| schestowitz | My colleagues heard of the Lenovo scandal today and told me about it, said they saw me mentioned (without me telling them)... and it was a US scandal, not a EU/UK scandal, so the word has spread pretty far, DaemonFC | Sep 22 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 22 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo_Yoga | Sep 22 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Lenovo Yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 22 06:01 | |
| DaemonFC | On September 21, 2016, Lenovo confirmed that their Yoga series is not meant to be compatible with Linux operating systems, that they know it is impossible to install Linux on some models, and that it is not supported. [1] This came in the wake of media coverage of problems that users were having while trying to install Ubuntu on several Yoga models, including the 900 ISK2, 900 ISK For Business, 900S, and 710, which were traced back to | Sep 22 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo intentionally disabling and removing support for the AHCI storage mode for the device's Solid State Drive in the computer's BIOS, in favor of a RAID mode that is only supported by Windows 10 drivers that come with the system.[2][3][4][5] | Sep 22 06:01 |
| cubexyz | not impossible, merely very difficult | Sep 22 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | I added that to Wikipedia. | Sep 22 06:01 |
| schestowitz | OK, they might try to add [6] and so on to Microsoft-friendly sources | Sep 22 06:03 |
| schestowitz | and their non-denying denial.. | Sep 22 06:03 |
| cubexyz | https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-900-BIOS-Unlock-AHCI-enable-attached-BIOS-fd | Sep 22 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | [Request] Lenovo Yoga 900 BIOS Unlock / AHCI enable (attached BIOS fd) | Sep 22 06:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial" http://www.winbeta.org/news/lenovo-responds-to-linux-blocking-issue-issues-non-denial-denial | Sep 22 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:06 PM | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | What I understood from the post was the hinge is the problem, so funny! Smiley Happy) | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Referring to hinge every other line, doesn't make an excuse! There is a touch screen and wether it turns or not is a mechanical matter not computer! | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:11 | |
| DaemonFC | When you are responding to a forum that users are looking for linux, it means most of them have more than usual interaction with computer, so first of all when we install linux we know there could be some driver issues and we would manage it ourselves, you can simply say you don't support linux, so you won't answer any questions about linux. "Our Yoga design requires very specific, complex and unique drivers that require even greater | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | amounts of testing" could be super magical for typical users, but for us it could be just our job! We are not in old times that a software bug could break the hardware, there are some protection in hardware. Also as you see many people run the Linux on extra flash disk which uses every resource other than hard disk. And the one who hacked the bios fully utilized it. So don't be over "sympathetic" for us not to run into problems. | Sep 22 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:11 | |
| DaemonFC | "Beyond the controller setup limitation, other advanced capabilities of the Yoga design would likely not work with current Linux offerings." First of all "would likely not" is the most untechnical terms I've heard for a long time! And as mentioned above, we know the problems and even many already have run it. You are saying you can either use all the features (which with windows bugs it is actually not a sure thing), or you can't use it at | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | all. | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Right now I have even doubt if someone wants to upgrade from windows 10 home to pro, he can do it easily or not. And if this signiture edition is a windows edition, what if someone buys his standalone windows license? due to this BIOS problem still they can't get those features even though their windows is not signiture. | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | To sum up don't pretend you solved the problem, this wording does not work for this forum. | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | M | Sep 22 06:12 |
| cubexyz | except it's not true :) | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | I replied: | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 06:12 |
| cubexyz | one guy got Fedora running on it | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:11 PM | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Which is why I tagged it "Notsolved" and "Snowjob"... So if anyone comes looking for a perfect example of a snow job, they'll find it. | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/snow_job | Sep 22 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | snow job - Wiktionary | Sep 22 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Noun | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | snow job (plural snow jobs) | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | (idiomatic) An attempt to persuade a person using flattery or deception. | Sep 22 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | How? | Sep 22 06:12 |
| cubexyz | Bownario from bios mods did it | Sep 22 06:14 |
| cubexyz | he had to make special hard made clips, and solder the chip to wires then reprogrammed the chip | Sep 22 06:15 |
| cubexyz | https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-900-BIOS-Unlock-AHCI-enable-attached-BIOS-fd?page=5 | Sep 22 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | [Request] Lenovo Yoga 900 BIOS Unlock / AHCI enable (attached BIOS fd) | Sep 22 06:16 | |
| cubexyz | you would have to become a member of the forum to download the bios he modded | Sep 22 06:17 |
| cubexyz | s/hard/hand/ | Sep 22 06:17 |
| cubexyz | it's not a good situation at all | Sep 22 06:18 |
| cubexyz | in the 'old days' I'd just pop the bios out of the socket, but naturally the Yoga's bios isn't socketed | Sep 22 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | TheChuckster | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Punch Card | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | TheChuckster | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Posts: 32 | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Registered: 06-30-2012 | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Location: US | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Message 223 of 224 (6 Views) | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:18 PM | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | "We have used a storage controller mode that is unfortunately not supported by Linux and as a result, does not allow Linux to be installed." | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Except, that storage controller IS supported by Linux in AHCI mode. People in this very thread have already confirmed this! | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | "In order that others are able to find this statement easier, when searching, I am marking this post as the solution." | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ctrl-Alt-Del | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Posts: 42 | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Registered: 09-07-2016 | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Location: US | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Message 224 of 224 (2 Views) | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | 09-21-2016 10:19 PM - edited 09-21-2016 10:20 PM | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | They're giving us the full Superfish. | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Lying through their teeth until they can't lie anymore, and then *maybe* we get a patch. | Sep 22 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 06:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Even Comical Ali, our friendly Lenovo mod must know that what he is posting. | Sep 22 06:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RuiSeabra/status/778677431892705280 | Sep 22 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RuiSeabra: Though not on the same side, it was a pleasure to exchange a couple of words with @timberners_lee who took the time… https://t.co/akFsCOXx5E | Sep 22 06:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RuiSeabra: Though not on the same side, it was a pleasure to exchange a couple of words with @timberners_lee who took the time… https://t.co/akFsCOXx5E | Sep 22 06:23 | |
| cubexyz | the Lenovo people you're talking to might not be too knowledgeable about the BIOS internals | Sep 22 06:24 |
| schestowitz | [06:22] <DaemonFC> They're giving us the full Superfish. | Sep 22 06:24 |
| schestowitz | [06:22] <DaemonFC> | Sep 22 06:24 |
| schestowitz | [06:22] <DaemonFC> Lying through their teeth until they can't lie anymore, and then *maybe* we get a patch. | Sep 22 06:24 |
| schestowitz | true | Sep 22 06:24 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: the smart ones are probably somewhere in Beijing | Sep 22 06:25 |
| schestowitz | these people are sales reps | Sep 22 06:25 |
| schestowitz | they have a Lenovo US CEO/Pres, I think, seen something like that recently | Sep 22 06:25 |
| schestowitz | they operate just on a marketing basisw | Sep 22 06:25 |
| schestowitz | all the production is in the far east | Sep 22 06:25 |
| schestowitz | it's their job in the US just to sell these to stores, which then sell to downstream clients | Sep 22 06:26 |
| schestowitz | so I doubt they know anything technical about what they say, unless it says it on the box printed somewhere like Shenzhen before being shipped en masse in Hapag-LLoyd containers | Sep 22 06:27 |
| cubexyz | AMI is based in GA (Georgia USA I think) | Sep 22 06:27 |
| schestowitz | but they don't make the chips there | Sep 22 06:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like Bourns | Sep 22 06:27 |
| schestowitz | US companies whose whole operation is somewhere like Taiwan | Sep 22 06:27 |
| schestowitz | sometimes even the designs, not just the production | Sep 22 06:27 |
| cubexyz | Alan Lin sounds Taiwanese, so you have a good point :) | Sep 22 06:28 |
| schestowitz | I think ARM actually manufactures some stuff here, but it's sold to Japan's economy/stimulus now | Sep 22 06:28 |
| cubexyz | grepped for names out of the code I have | Sep 22 06:28 |
| schestowitz | Lin is a common surname in Taiwan | Sep 22 06:28 |
| schestowitz | Look up Wikipedia for surname distributions | Sep 22 06:28 |
| schestowitz | just 6 or so names in these places would probably cover like 60% of people | Sep 22 06:29 |
| schestowitz | in Vietnam around 60% of people, IIRC, have the same surname | Sep 22 06:29 |
| cubexyz | Jeff Chang is another one | Sep 22 06:29 |
| schestowitz | Korean has lots of Koh, Parks, Yu | Sep 22 06:29 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: anyway, the point is, the Lenovo forum people aren't asian | Sep 22 06:29 |
| schestowitz | they're a sales department | Sep 22 06:29 |
| schestowitz | and i think they're liaising with some disaster management experts now | Sep 22 06:30 |
| cubexyz | right | Sep 22 06:30 |
| schestowitz | so they just say what lets them get articles (udpated) or [Updated] | Sep 22 06:30 |
| schestowitz | to rewrite the record | Sep 22 06:30 |
| schestowitz | and they contact the journalists to plant their face-saving lies | Sep 22 06:30 |
| cubexyz | you do know that Stallman's Thinkpad is a Lenovo right? :) | Sep 22 06:30 |
| schestowitz | it's pretty bad because it's actually effective, if not TRULY costly | Sep 22 06:30 |
| schestowitz | but when you try to sell a million of these "Yogas" there's like 400 million bucks at stake | Sep 22 06:31 |
| schestowitz | yes, RMS moved to something else though | Sep 22 06:31 |
| schestowitz | he now uses Lemote | Sep 22 06:31 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Sep 22 06:31 |
| schestowitz | I think he still does | Sep 22 06:31 |
| schestowitz | It's a Chinese board | Sep 22 06:31 |
| cubexyz | well, maybe he likes the PMON bios better then | Sep 22 06:31 |
| schestowitz | he uses a GUI too | Sep 22 06:32 |
| schestowitz | not all the time | Sep 22 06:32 |
| schestowitz | we used his PC together, to browse techrights | Sep 22 06:32 |
| schestowitz | he uses gtk-based applications | Sep 22 06:32 |
| cubexyz | do you know any good way to BUY one though? | Sep 22 06:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe Alibaba or something | Sep 22 06:33 |
| schestowitz | maybe. | Sep 22 06:33 |
| schestowitz | not that i'd give them a visa debit card details | Sep 22 06:33 |
| schestowitz | they have a bad reputation here in Chinatown, best to pay with cash | Sep 22 06:34 |
| cubexyz | amazon has a link but it always says "Currently unavailable" | Sep 22 06:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe lack of demand in their target markets | Sep 22 06:34 |
| schestowitz | email rms to ask him where he got his | Sep 22 06:34 |
| cubexyz | aliexpress.com $109.50 US | Sep 22 06:35 |
| cubexyz | "no longer available" | Sep 22 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Which is why I call the Lenovo moderator Comical Ali. | Sep 22 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | I hope people Google that and read about the Iraqi Information Minister. | Sep 22 06:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/778834822387105793 | Sep 22 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @infoworld all in csharp! | Sep 22 06:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/778834270261547008 | Sep 22 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation @DarkReading LinuxFoundation should oppose those heavy charges, this is insane. | Sep 22 06:57 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 22 06:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778786293576794115 | Sep 22 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #OpenMandriva Lx 3.0 https://t.co/Tr5ooZBLUL #mandriva #gnu #linux | Sep 22 07:00 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi | Sep 22 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Sep 22 07:00 | |
| cubexyz | oh another bad thing about Lenovo... there's an embedded whitelist FRU inside the BIOS | Sep 22 07:01 |
| cubexyz | it was hacked of course | Sep 22 07:01 |
| cubexyz | your Mini PCI-E card not on the list? It won't work | Sep 22 07:03 |
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| cubexyz | it won't even boot up | Sep 22 07:04 |
| cubexyz | and you can't mod it without a soldering iron | Sep 22 07:06 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 22 07:09 |
| cubexyz | so did you get the Sun? | Sep 22 07:16 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: hmm? | Sep 22 07:21 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: oh the computer | Sep 22 07:21 |
| sebsebseb | not the sun as in the sun light | Sep 22 07:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes indeed got the computer and hte mouse nad keyboard and some other things | Sep 22 07:21 |
| cubexyz | oh good | Sep 22 07:22 |
| sebsebseb | not done anything proper with any of that yet though! | Sep 22 07:22 |
| sebsebseb | not even had the sun on yet | Sep 22 07:22 |
| sebsebseb | connected etc | Sep 22 07:22 |
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| sebsebseb | cubexyz: h eh I haven't even had a cheap Android hone on properly yet | Sep 22 07:23 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: been nearly a week since I opended up the box and figured out how to get into thecase | Sep 22 07:23 |
| sebsebseb | well I been doing things etc so | Sep 22 07:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874537 | Sep 22 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardly surprised that a #microsoft and #uefi apologist wrote this http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html see techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ #lenovo #gnu #linux | Sep 22 07:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 22 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | gn, it's 7:30am | Sep 22 07:28 |
| schestowitz | "" | Sep 22 07:28 |
| schestowitz | "They have a near infinite cash sink, they can make anyone write anything. They underestimate us." [Lenovo]] | Sep 22 07:28 |
| cubexyz | I'm pretty much 100% convinced to stay away from Lenovo Yoga... unless it's an older one | Sep 22 07:30 |
| cubexyz | the more I learn about it the worse it seems | Sep 22 07:30 |
| cubexyz | even the teardowns look bad | Sep 22 07:31 |
| cubexyz | the one to get for Linux peeps is 13ISK... not the 13ISK2 | Sep 22 07:33 |
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| DaemonFC | I just finished etracting the intel rapid storage driver. I can make a Windows installer stick that sees the SSD now at least, so I don't have to pay Lenovo to reinstall Windows for me if I need that later. | Sep 22 08:21 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]cbmuser 2 points 2 hours ago | Sep 22 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | The power management is done in the driver in this case. And since Intel does not disclose how to set up power management properly with these new disk controllers, Linux cannot do proper power management on this hardware, even in AHCI mode. | Sep 22 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | Power management support is a per-device feature. | Sep 22 08:27 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 46 minutes ago | Sep 22 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | I guess treating it as a "device" works, until you consider that this isn't like Android at all. This is x86 Windows where you are bound to run into malware or Windows hanging itself eventually and will NEED to recover from installation media, only thanks to Lenovo, that may be difficult. This is even if the user doesn't care about Linux at all. | Sep 22 08:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778890608488357888 | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/ #Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T5KOlOPoU6 (ostatic.com) liars. | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jyrRcgMvNx (www.winbeta.org) | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 10:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 10:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 10:38 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93816 | Sep 22 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | True Love...and Microsoft Love | Tux Machines | Sep 22 10:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778891164355325952 | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True Love...and Microsoft Love https://t.co/EA8xvaFSYJ | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux-magazine.com) "Stop the patent blackmail" | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 10:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | True Love...and Microsoft Love » Linux Magazine | Sep 22 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @pcasabona http://twitter.com/pcasabona/status/778891699196203008 | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The latest Networking Generation! https://t.co/WRFfA1YLU5 | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (paper.li) Thanks to @tuxmachines @you_5daime @miropusnik | Sep 22 10:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Networking Generation | Sep 22 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778893092388831232 | Sep 22 10:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Who wrote GTK+ 3.22 https://t.co/Is2ldPGEKu | Sep 22 10:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.gtk.org) https://t.co/lt8PjCYRE7 (help.gnome.org) | Sep 22 10:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dG1733Q6an (blogs.gnome.org) | Sep 22 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blog.gtk.org/2016/09/21/who-wrote-gtk-3-22/ ) | Sep 22 10:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 10:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.22/ ) | Sep 22 10:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2016/09/21/gnome-software-and-age-ratings/ ) | Sep 22 10:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778893783991717888 | Sep 22 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@schestowitz saying that MSFT loves GNU LINUX is just BS. It is like to say that the State loves the Citizen! Pure BULLSHIT @satyanadella | Sep 22 10:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778893502600142848 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2017 https://t.co/r0W2RBqjlS (www.redhat.com) | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year 2017 | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901759372636160 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eR4ac5z7G5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Tux Machines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901760437911552 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True Love...and Microsoft Love https://t.co/snctVK6cgX | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | True Love...and Microsoft Love | Tux Machines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901761809485825 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME/GTK News https://t.co/wnQgLTC4Il | Sep 22 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME/GTK News | Tux Machines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| cubexyz | just discovered this little gem: | Sep 22 11:35 |
| cubexyz | http://flburn.sourceforge.net/ | Sep 22 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flburn.sourceforge.net | Free | CD DVD burning software for Linux | Sep 22 11:35 | |
| cubexyz | no man page though, boooo | Sep 22 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901762992332800 | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Openwashing Proprietary Software https://t.co/ea8th0CVXJ | Sep 22 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing Proprietary Software | Tux Machines | Sep 22 12:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901764007337984 | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Andy Wingo on CML versus Go https://t.co/59pK4MVq22 | Sep 22 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Andy Wingo on CML versus Go | Tux Machines | Sep 22 12:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778910032180158465 | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo Accused Of Locking Linux Out Of Certain Laptops At | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Request https://t.co/p3M9HGOeEh | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techdirt.com) | Sep 22 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo Accused Of Locking Linux Out Of Certain Laptops At Microsoft's Request | Techdirt | Sep 22 12:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7875835 | Sep 22 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wipo is trying to lecture us about "respecting" IP http://www.ip-watch.org/2016/09/21/first-revised-articles-of-potential-treaty-protecting-tk-at-wipo-issued-today/ see how it 'respects' its own staff and the law http://techrights.org/2016/02/24/wipo-attacks-on-whistleblowing/ | Sep 22 12:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ip-watch.org | First Revised Articles Of Potential Treaty Protecting TK At WIPO Issued Today | Sep 22 12:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | The Joint Subcommittee Hearing on the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s Vicious Attacks on Whistleblowers | Techrights | Sep 22 12:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 | Sep 22 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/RQwsXT0yVV (techrights.org) | Sep 22 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat’s Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 Released | Techrights | Sep 22 12:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778925407689146368 | Sep 22 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 | Sep 22 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Released https://t.co/RQwsXT0yVV (techrights.org) | Sep 22 13:54 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RinoSapere favourited 'Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22...' | Sep 22 13:54 | |
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| schestowitz | afetrnoon, MinceR | Sep 22 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778940455350403072 | Sep 22 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dominate the world in strategy game 'Agenda', now on | Sep 22 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, here's my review https://t.co/1KoqRb2qWg | Sep 22 14:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla Says Goodbye to Firefox Hello in Firefox 49 | Sep 22 14:09 |
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| MinceR | hay schestowitz | Sep 22 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Says Goodbye to Firefox Hello in Firefox 49 | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944358527610881 | Sep 22 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Ubuntu https://t.co/qmmUxxisv9 | Sep 22 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944361081937920 | Sep 22 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News and Results | Sep 22 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News and Results | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shamanseki/status/778948031248990208 | Sep 22 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: A robot detained by police at a political rally in Moscow - authorities attempting to handcuff the machine. Get the… https://t.co/N5nEZ19itR | Sep 22 14:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: A robot detained by police at a political rally in Moscow - authorities attempting to handcuff the machine. Get the… https://t.co/N5nEZ19itR | Sep 22 14:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SanhoTree/status/778951251518160896 | Sep 22 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SanhoTree: @shamanseki @schestowitz But everybody knows that's where the rebel alliance always hides their secret maps! | Sep 22 14:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shamanseki/status/778952014843740160 | Sep 22 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: @SanhoTree @schestowitz OK - arrest the girl as well - she knows something! | Sep 22 14:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874652 | Sep 22 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial http://www.winbeta.org/news/lenovo-responds-to-linux-blocking-issue-issues-non-denial-denial | Sep 22 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that Lenovo’s official reply is insufficient and carefully worded. They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don’t support Linux on many of their own laptops. Actions speak louder than words, and there’s no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn’t be great Linux machines. I also think that locking down the thread and | Sep 22 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being “disruptive” was uncalled for, and they’re obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I’m at fault for what they did. And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses.” | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that [the BIOS RAID lock] was a deliberate design choice made by Lenovo, and I say that because the BIOS code that they use has AHCI mode available for the storage device, which Linux and Windows understand without any special drivers. Lenovo patched the code to remove the AHCI mode from the BIOS setup utility and then they wrote additional code to make sure that you can’t set AHCI mode with an EFI variable using EFI shell. So, | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I’d say it’s definitely deliberate, and can’t see any LEGITIMATE reason why they would have. It isn’t really faster, it makes recovering Windows from Microsoft’s installer very difficult if you have to later. About the only thing putting a single SSD setup into RAID mode using the BIOS gives you is (a) Linux won’t be able to use the storage and (b) greater potential for data loss.” | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that Microsoft and Lenovo agreed to lock Linux out, and forcing RAID mode accomplishes that. In the last 11 months, nobody except one Lenovo forum poster that used a modded BIOS and an external flasher to get around Lenovo’s signature check on BIOS updates has managed to install Linux on the Yoga models affected by this. I believe that Lenovo and Microsoft figured that if Linux ever did get driver support for this configuration, | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | that it would be years after the product was released, so it might as well be forever. Most people replace their laptop every 5 years or less, so almost nobody would ever be able to run Linux on the Yoga laptops while in their designed service life.” | Sep 22 15:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/xAXjQ9CmE8 | Sep 22 15:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 22 15:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/XLLEhpkG8K | Sep 22 15:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 22 15:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778970089945178112 | Sep 22 15:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Alexa-enabled CoWatch hits the market today | Sep 22 15:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/higkSO9knC (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 22 15:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | The Alexa-enabled CoWatch hits the market today - Android Authority | Sep 22 15:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | How to install Android on a PC https://t.co/ExRq9U3ept | Sep 22 16:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | LeEco Pro 3 formally announced, powered by Snapdragon 821 | Sep 22 16:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | LeEco Pro 3 formally announced, powered by Snapdragon 821 - Android Authority | Sep 22 16:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778971244624539655 | Sep 22 16:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-powered BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition unit | Sep 22 16:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | up for grabs https://t.co/l8fSJA4J2t (www.gsmarena.com) | Sep 22 16:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android-powered BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition unit up for grabs - GSMArena.com news | Sep 22 16:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Amazon India now offering the Samsung Z2 SM-Z200F Online | Sep 22 17:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Amazon India now offering the Samsung Z2 SM-Z200F Online - Tizen Experts | Sep 22 17:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778979530086187008 | Sep 22 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Jumps 6% on FYQ2 Earnings Beat; Raises Year | Sep 22 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Outlook https://t.co/l0FCHPlUfP (blogs.barrons.com) | Sep 22 17:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.barrons.com | Red Hat Jumps 6% on FYQ2 Earnings Beat; Raises Year Outlook - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com | Sep 22 17:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778987731649228800 | Sep 22 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SDL2's Mir Backend Sees Some Updates | Sep 22 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gN5vzuaxbm (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 22 17:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SDL2's Mir Backend Sees Some Updates - Phoronix | Sep 22 17:04 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: oh, I get it... | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | some gchq names are worse | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | like smurfs and their names | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | for phone back doors | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ) | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/gchq-intercepted-emails-journalists-ny-times-bbc-guardian-le-monde-reuters-nbc-washington-post | Sep 22 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optic Nerve (GCHQ) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 22 17:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | GCHQ captured emails of journalists from top international media | UK news | The Guardian | Sep 22 17:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden | Sep 22 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ | UK news | The Guardian | Sep 22 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | maybe we could get some kind of US stimulus here for the poor and disabled | Sep 22 17:07 |
| schestowitz | not to spy on them | Sep 22 17:07 |
| razielle_tzu | not gonna happen | Sep 22 17:07 |
| razielle_tzu | it's spying or nothing | Sep 22 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/778990179403128840 | Sep 22 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What ? I thought Hello was doing fine... | Sep 22 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | hello to news :-) | Sep 22 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/778990561135042560 | Sep 22 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What r they gonna do ? Change it for what ? | Sep 22 17:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778988141558505473 | Sep 22 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management | Sep 22 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XMTEQzs9wU (opensource.com) | Sep 22 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 18:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management | Opensource.com | Sep 22 18:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a Second | Sep 22 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta with KDE Plasma 5.8 https://t.co/chgyc8xN9T | Sep 22 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 22 18:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a Second Beta with KDE Plasma 5.8 | Sep 22 18:41 | |
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| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/151 | Sep 22 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | The Next Great Stoic Competition - Existential Comics | Sep 22 19:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779012747942035457 | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun will release | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | December 6th with Linux support https://t.co/tkuclLjAQB | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 22 19:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun will release December 6th with Linux support | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 19:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021970251784192 | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/G2aPs17T4r | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 19:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 22 19:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021971270930432 | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Vista 10 Under Attack From Media, UNIX/Linux Under Attack | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Microsoft https://t.co/OUqPupVhvh | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 19:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vista 10 Under Attack From Media, UNIX/Linux Under Attack From Microsoft | Tux Machines | Sep 22 19:18 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: so much text | Sep 22 19:37 |
| schestowitz | can't find the punchline | Sep 22 19:37 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-20 | Sep 22 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cubicle Near Thermostat - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-20 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 22 19:38 | |
| MinceR | it's at the end | Sep 22 19:38 |
| MinceR | also, there's a handy "Didn't get the joke?" button :> | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sah1987/status/779028065007570944 | Sep 22 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sah1987: @schestowitz But you trust Alan Duncan? | Sep 22 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | What he says aligns with my theory all along; not too far-fetched and maybe he has an inside knowledge | Sep 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sah1987/status/779029028778942464 | Sep 22 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sah1987: @schestowitz It is quite plausible, but Duncan himself was said to have declared Remain because he couldn't lead Vote Leave. | Sep 22 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/779031282445590528 | Sep 22 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I've been following them for decades. MSFT is not the anti-Linux company I knew. | Sep 22 19:55 | |
| schestowitz | But they're still attacking, just more covertly. I have an article about more lawsuits tonight... | Sep 22 19:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/osmanafc/status/779032346003734528 | Sep 22 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osmanafc: @schestowitz really I wanted out and got https://t.co/L2WOrjKjOy about visa free travel.for turkey or a eu army all lies were they ? | Sep 22 20:00 | |
| schestowitz | Brexit.. Boris lied | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | turns out he wanted remain | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | but tried to use it as a stunt to become out PM after London Mayor | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sunick51/status/779034569488097280 | Sep 22 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sunick51: @schestowitz You're complaining because a politician is dishonest? What about the hundreds of others in Westminster? | Sep 22 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jedichaz/status/779036018754412544 | Sep 22 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jedichaz: Against the backdrop of a widening transatlantic cultural rift at least the culture of politics is up (or down) to… https://t.co/2aOU5vqVDH | Sep 22 20:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jedichaz: Against the backdrop of a widening transatlantic cultural rift at least the culture of politics is up (or down) to… https://t.co/2aOU5vqVDH | Sep 22 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/779037800964452352 | Sep 22 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I look forward to seeing it. | Sep 22 20:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021972407660545 | Sep 22 20:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dronecode’s Craig Elder speaks about open-source software | Sep 22 20:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for drones https://t.co/RbwLZPQHTp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 20:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 20:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dronecode’s Craig Elder speaks about open-source software for drones | Tux Machines | Sep 22 20:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021974798372864 | Sep 22 20:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News After Latest Results | Sep 22 20:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1rJUMXVdrB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 20:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News After Latest Results | Tux Machines | Sep 22 20:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've been writing on Lenovo's forums some more. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Since Lenovo's attack on Linux also impedes setting up Windows from a Microsoft ISO if you ever need to, I worked last night on creating a slipstreamed installer that inludes their Rapid Storage driver so that Windows setup can see the SSD and install to it. I also bundled updated drivers straight from Intel. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo and Microsoft apparently see "Signature PCs" as a device (like a tablet or a phone with carrier locks), not a real computer, and as such, they have provided no easy way to restore the operating system in the event of a catastrophe that breaks "reset this PC" or makes the system unable to boot in the first place. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Unlike an Android phone, which has a fairly decent design and a usable software store where Google can all-but-eliminate the possibility of there being malware, Windows 10 is an operating system tha steeped in decades of half-baked Windows code, horrible backwards compatibility garbage, and Microsoft hacks, and is 31 flavors of unreliable (including update installations getting stuck and unable to install and bad updates that cause boot | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | loops and system freezing, and it is completely riddled with bugs. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | The Windows Store has so few decent applications, you can count them on your fingers. So you install most of your software the traditional way of grabbing some EXE off of the internet, and it doesn't look like that will change soon. So you can't treat these things like a device. And I wonder how many people will end up having to ship their laptop back to Lenovo to get Windows reinstalled. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Okay, so they have Windows Defender and SmartScreen. That's....something, at least. More than earlier Windows had, but we must remember that several pieces of malware have dodged all major virus scanners (including the ones people pay money for) for years, being completely undetected. Does anyone think that these people aren't testing Windows Defender? The Hacking Team leak showed internal documents including a checklist of antivirus | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | programs that they were successfully evading during internal tests. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | When the BBC covered this Lenovo scandal yesterday, I appreciate that they took some extra time to mention that Ubuntu is faster and more efficient than Windows, with better reliability. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Shame that Lenovo won't let us run it. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | System76 released a statement on Twitter yesterday. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Unlike #Lenovo, we do not have "Microsoft Signature PCs" and not only can you install #Linux on our machines, it comes preinstalled. Smiley Wink | Sep 22 20:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I fixed up some typos. | Sep 22 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Their Lenovo keyboard makes it difficult to avoid. | Sep 22 20:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046084404469764 | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | How Long Do Android and iPhone Owners Keep Their Phones? | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZhVf7siQ2p (www.fool.com) | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Long Do Android and iPhone Owners Keep Their Phones? -- The Motley Fool | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046104004456448 | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | WebKitGTK+ 2.14 and the Web Engines Hackfest | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/My37ty7MO5 (blog.kov.eti.br) | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.kov.eti.br | WebKitGTK+ 2.14 and the Web Engines Hackfest | Gustavo Noronha (kov) | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046558432169986 | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Google Pixel, the Android promise fulfilled, at | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | last! https://t.co/1pHWZKrqs2 (www.slashgear.com) | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With Google Pixel, the Android promise fulfilled, at last! - SlashGear | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I edited to add this... | Sep 22 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Just comparing storage requirements and the optimal amount of installed RAM for each OS, Windows 10 needs approximately 700% more storage space and 200% more RAM than Ubuntu. Some people like to say that Windows 10 is efficient, yet it would require even more space if Microsoft hadn't deployed file compression on much of the Windows folder. | Sep 22 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | After the part about the BBC talking about Ubuntu. | Sep 22 21:02 |
| MinceR | and even ubuntu is extremely bloated | Sep 22 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I made another post. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Installing Linux to a flash drive to use it with the Lenovo Yoga is unacceptable. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC | A 512 GB NVMe SSD on Amazon will still set you back by about $350, so using Linux from a flash drive on this computer means that Lenovo has reduced the value of your machine by hundreds of dollars, and USB drives operating over USB 3 are nowhere near as fast as the SSD. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo and Microsoft know that, which is why they disabled access to this very valuable component if you try to run Linux. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| MinceR | well, yeah | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | if it only precluded booting from the internal device, that would be usable for me | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | i use FDE anyway | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | and i'm planning to boot from a removable device to do it | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | my FDE skill wasn't high enough to do it when i installed my laptop | Sep 22 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Added... | Sep 22 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | And if some Very Smart People ever figure out a way to make the SSD visible again, I would STRONGLY advise never upgrading the laptop's firmware again, lest they find something else to break. | Sep 22 21:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 22 21:08 |
| MinceR | hopefully they won't dare pull shit like this on models marketed to businesses | Sep 22 21:09 |
| MinceR | i doubt that a megacorporate client would like very much when told "no, you can't just deploy your corporate-wide standard images on these laptops" | Sep 22 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Edited that.... | Sep 22 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | and then tell us "Oops. Better run Windows 10 so you can use our 360 degree hinge! Have we told you about our 360 hinge?". | Sep 22 21:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779047918565285892 | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 now officially launched in Nepal | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/z8o3y42mQW (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 22 21:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 now officially launched in Nepal - Tizen Experts | Sep 22 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779048503586742272 | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Red Hat project looks a lot like a Docker fork | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DTrqfWozEC (www.infoworld.com) | Sep 22 21:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Red Hat project looks a lot like a Docker fork | InfoWorld | Sep 22 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779049035642568709 | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat’s stock price and employee headcount are rising | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mj3byLubat (www.newsobserver.com) | Sep 22 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 21:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsobserver.com | Raleigh-based Red Hat boosts employment; shares rise too | News & Observer | Sep 22 21:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 22/9/2016: Linux Professional Institute Redesign, | Sep 22 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Upgraded https://t.co/nknAJZU2KE (techrights.org) | Sep 22 22:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Plasma 5.7.5, Applications 16.08.1 and Frameworks 5.26.0 | Sep 22 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | by KDE now available in Chakra https://t.co/iLRdmQAABS | Sep 22 22:04 |
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| DaemonFC | BaronHK 2 points 16 minutes ago* | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo is a crappy company that actually wrote code enforcing the fake RAID mode by stripping the AHCI mode out of the GUI and then making sure that if you go into EFI Shell and set it yourself that it discards your setting and sets it back. First PC maker I've seen that ships computers that you can't even realistically (for the average user) reinstall Windows on. I will never buy another Lenovo computer again. I had to spend about an hour | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | googling random support topics before I found a recommendation to use Universal Extractor. Then I had to find a beta version of Universal Extractor that supported the archive format in the setup program just to dig the Intel RST driver out of their godawful installer so that I can slipstream it into a Windows installer. | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Most people will have to pay to ship it back to Lenovo if Windows needs to be reinstalled, and be unable to use the computer for weeks, and it'll probably have some sensitive, confidential, work-related information on the SSD that someone at Lenovo could copy and steal while it's in their repair center. | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo is a Chinese company and the Chinese steal American Intellectual Property all the time. Chinese spies even stole top secret attack helicopter engine designs complete with the software from the US government. | Sep 22 22:55 |
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| MinceR | >Intellectual Property | Sep 22 23:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lyn/5684705739.html | Sep 22 23:06 |
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| DaemonFC | from bmullan via /r/linux sent 11 hours ago | Sep 22 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 22 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Just curious... do you work for Microsoft? | Sep 22 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Asking because of the way you phrased your response... | Sep 22 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | having to listen to "It's our fault for not supporting RAID mode on a system that shouldn't be in RAID mode." or some version of it every time a PC OEM does something bonehead stupid or evil | Sep 22 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (1349)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 22 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about Matthew Garrett's position, and the overall tendency of Linux developers to fall on their sword every time some PC OEM does something nasty. It's not the fault of Linux that it can't install on the SSD in the Yoga laptops. It's the fault of Lenovo for removing AHCI mode, which would have let it install. | Sep 22 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that Garrett is on the FSF board just shows that they don't always make the best decisions. Like that time they put Miguel de Icaza on the board while he was trying to introduce Microsoft tech that was legally dangerous to use into Linux distributions. Microsoft never issued a patent license for things like Mono. They issued a covenant not to sue. They have sold patents off at auction to patent trolls that proceeded to sue Free | Sep 22 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Software before, and at one point there were patents describing OpenGL that just happened to get snapped up by a company that donated them to the Open Innovation Network. A consortium that protects Free Software. | Sep 22 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I edited that... | Sep 22 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's not that I don't think he's unqualified to work on the Linux kernel and other software. I just think that his positions on Free Software and apologizing for Microsoft constantly means that he undermines the FSF's mission. | Sep 22 23:15 |
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| DaemonFC | from bmullan via /r/linux sent 11 hours ago | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | so then the question is... if that's true... WHY NOT FIX "the Windows Storage Driver with horrible power management issues" ??? | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | That explanation still appears disingenuous from that aspect. | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (1349)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Because Microsoft doesn't care, and as long as you need proprietary drivers, it gives Lenovo cover for requiring Windows to work in that mode. Makes the Linux lockout seem like bugs or lack of driver support when the configuration shouldn't have ever existed in the first place. | Sep 22 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Re: After Lenovo abandoned Linux, best replacement? | Sep 22 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 22 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | 09-22-2016 03:23 PM | Sep 22 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of people seem to be returning 710s. The Best Buy open box laptop table at Skokie is full of 710s. | Sep 22 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 23:23 | |
| DaemonFC | I doubt they all wanted to run Linux, but I hear that the laptops have quality issues in other ways, such as the touchpad "peeling". | Sep 22 23:23 |
| MinceR | >The fact that Garrett is on the FSF board just shows that they don't always make the best decisions. | Sep 22 23:27 |
| MinceR | like when they endorsed systemd | Sep 22 23:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779063850247282689 | Sep 22 23:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 22/9/2016: Linux Professional Institute Redesign, | Sep 22 23:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Red Hat Upgraded https://t.co/nknAJZU2KE (techrights.org) | Sep 22 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/779089381915238400 | Sep 22 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz related to #ShockDoctrine … fosters the environment for it | Sep 22 23:46 | |
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| MinceR | http://vo.fod4.com/v/b2fc974d1d/v640-q2.webm (sauce: http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/hillary_clinton_powers_bizarre_interview_zach_galifianakis_20160922 ) | Sep 23 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hillary Clinton Powers Through Bizarre Interview with Zach Galifianakis - Truthdig | Sep 23 00:07 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: As expected, #lenovo and #microsoft now change their story and engage in #revisionism - typical PR tactic | Sep 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like with Superfish | Sep 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | until they get caught too deep in the lie | Sep 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | they changed the story | Sep 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | and demanded the revisionist version of the story from writers | Sep 23 00:24 |
| cubexyz | it's crappy design too | Sep 23 00:27 |
| cubexyz | re: Yoga | Sep 23 00:27 |
| cubexyz | modding the BIOS is too difficult | Sep 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93848 | Sep 23 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 23 00:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | I added: (You do not need to ask for my permission to repost this response in its entirety anywhere else, in hard copy, or on a website.) | Sep 23 01:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | they indeed are doing what they did with superfish | Sep 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | and hope the lies will work | Sep 23 01:10 |
| MinceR | did they work before? | Sep 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | until it won't work and just pile up more negative publicity | Sep 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | keep track of the lies and count them | Sep 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe some heads are rolling | Sep 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | so they're spending a lot of money on damage control 'expertts' | Sep 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | and harassing journalists to 'correct' or, based on what I saw, issue new stories | Sep 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | revisionism | Sep 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | UC Davis style | Sep 23 01:11 |
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| cubexyz | another heads up: new thinkpads have intel boot guard with SHA256 public keys baked into the southbridge chipset | Sep 23 01:14 |
| cubexyz | it's a similar problem...with intel boot guard you can't mod the UEFI firmware | Sep 23 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How cool is that. I got to use the word horsefeathers. :) | Sep 23 01:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 23 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm copying and pasting my replies to the comments sections on the news articles. | Sep 23 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I wonder what kind of response that will get. | Sep 23 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | I went through steps to identify a Signature Edition computer using the display model and then recommended booting into Linux as soon as you get it home, and if it can't see the SSD, take it back to the store and tell them you didn't need it. | Sep 23 01:35 |
| MinceR | and of course the reddit moderator is shilling for m$ as hard as they can | Sep 23 01:47 |
| MinceR | another sign of reddit not being worth using | Sep 23 01:47 |
| MinceR | >To support our Yoga products and our industry-leading 360-hinge design in the best way possible we have used a storage controller mode | Sep 23 01:51 |
| MinceR | and this is just pathetic | Sep 23 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftEdge/comments/4p16bg/microsoft_trashes_chromes_battery_life/d7y5has?context=3 | Sep 23 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Microsoft trashes Chrome's battery life | Sep 23 01:52 | |
| DaemonFC | –]BaronHK 1 point an hour ago | Sep 23 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | There's really no difference between Chrome 53's battery life and Microsoft Edge's. I guess since Microsoft is making a slow, unusable, bug-riddled browser that doesn't really have any extensions to speak of, they have to resort to this. Microsoft Edge got lower scores on Peacekeeper than every other browser I tested. | Sep 23 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is obviously running Profile Guided Optimization while running Chakra (Edge's Javascript engine) through Javascript benchmark tests. And it's a shame that they have to lie about battery life because they can't make a browser that anyone wants to use. And it's a shame that they locked Cortana to Microsoft Edge and Bing in Windows 10 Anniversary because nobody wants to use Edge or Bing by choice. Microsoft is a dishonest company. | Sep 23 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "new Microsoft", only new anti-competitive tactics. New lies. | Sep 23 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779111222180401153 | Sep 23 02:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their | Sep 23 02:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revision... | Sep 23 02:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 23 02:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542b8l/a_hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_the/ | Sep 23 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | A hardware hack enables Linux support on the Lenovo Yoga 2, undermining Lenovo's press release. : linux | Sep 23 02:12 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 23 02:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 23 02:14 | |
| DaemonFC | I updated the thread to point to the hardware hack. | Sep 23 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 02:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 02:19 | |
| DaemonFC | I had to change the subject. For some reason, it was wrong. | Sep 23 02:19 |
| MinceR | did your user account get deleted? | Sep 23 02:22 |
| MinceR | i refreshed https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542b8l/a_hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_the/ | Sep 23 02:22 |
| MinceR | and it says submitted 10 minutes ago by [deleted] | Sep 23 02:22 |
| MinceR | [deleted] | Sep 23 02:22 |
| razielle_tzu | i just opened the thread and the whole thing is deleted | Sep 23 02:22 |
| MinceR | interesting, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 23 02:22 |
| MinceR | says the exact same user account still exists | Sep 23 02:23 |
| MinceR | reddit is pretty fucked up | Sep 23 02:23 |
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| cubexyz | time to blog about it I'd say | Sep 23 02:29 |
| cubexyz | make Lenovo's first hit on google "Lenovo is ass" | Sep 23 02:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 23 02:29 |
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| cubexyz | some of the newer thinkpads have intel boot guard | Sep 23 02:31 |
| cubexyz | now hopefully one can turn it off, but I don't know if that's possible or not | Sep 23 02:32 |
| MinceR | i don't think you can turn it off | Sep 23 02:32 |
| MinceR | that would defeat the whole point | Sep 23 02:32 |
| MinceR | looks like i'll have to start learning how to build my own laptops | Sep 23 02:32 |
| MinceR | >I know for many Linux supporters it's hard to believe, but Microsoft has become a leading Linux supporter. | Sep 23 02:40 |
| MinceR | really, SJVN? | Sep 23 02:40 |
| MinceR | being employed by zdnet isn't good for his mental health, apparently | Sep 23 02:41 |
| MinceR | (from http://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-really-going-on-with-microsoft-lenovo-and-linux/ ) | Sep 23 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What's really going on with Microsoft, Lenovo and Linux | ZDNet | Sep 23 02:41 | |
| cubexyz | the borg motif is appropriate, M$ just sees Linux as something they can (try to) consume | Sep 23 02:42 |
| MinceR | they're suing companies for selling products with Linux in them | Sep 23 02:43 |
| cubexyz | Lenovo's BIOS tells the real story | Sep 23 02:43 |
| MinceR | that's not supporting | Sep 23 02:43 |
| cubexyz | 900-13ISK version worked fine with Linux, then the later 900-13ISK2 did not | Sep 23 02:43 |
| cubexyz | very suspicious | Sep 23 02:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 23 02:44 |
| MinceR | and technically this fuckup shouldn't be necessary for the Signature Edition thing at all | Sep 23 02:44 |
| MinceR | the whole point of that is how it's set up by default | Sep 23 02:44 |
| MinceR | if the user goes into uefi setup and tweaks settings, that's way beyond the scope of it | Sep 23 02:44 |
| MinceR | at that point they could just install Backdoors10 manually on a PC which comes with Backdoors10 + other bloatware | Sep 23 02:45 |
| MinceR | plus calling a PCI ID change "RAID" is dishonest | Sep 23 02:45 |
| MinceR | (if matthew garrett is right about that in the first place) | Sep 23 02:45 |
| MinceR | more bullshit from SJVN: https://web.archive.org/web/20160825165942/http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-marriage-of-microsoft-and-linux/ | Sep 23 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The marriage of Microsoft and Linux | ZDNet | Sep 23 02:47 | |
| MinceR | i guess it will in general be a good idea to use archive.is when linking to reddit | Sep 23 02:49 |
| MinceR | that way i can see if there's something fucked up going on and they also don't get to delete the article | Sep 23 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | https://slashdot.org/submission/6334993/a-hardware-hack-has-enabled-ahci-support-on-the-lenovo-yoga-900-isk2 | Sep 23 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | A hardware hack has enabled AHCI support on the Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2. - Slashdot | Sep 23 02:54 | |
| cubexyz | there's actually one Lenovo Thinkpad that I know doesn't have intel boot guard... the Thinkpad 11e Chromebook | Sep 23 02:57 |
| cubexyz | so on chromebooks you at least can use linux via crouton | Sep 23 02:57 |
| MinceR | oh, right | Sep 23 02:58 |
| MinceR | but you can't turn it on/off there either, it's not part of the system, afaik | Sep 23 02:58 |
| cubexyz | that's right | Sep 23 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | Chromebooks use coreboot iirc. | Sep 23 02:59 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 23 02:59 |
| cubexyz | there's even a Yoga edition | Sep 23 03:00 |
| cubexyz | Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 11e with flip design | Sep 23 03:01 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I talked to Matthew Garrett. | Sep 23 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | I read a reddit comment about just putting the system back into AHCI mode once the BIOS hands the system over and Garrett says he's going to look into writing a patch. | Sep 23 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | That way we can get Linux up and force the hardware back to AHCI without any BIOS mods or help from Lenovo. | Sep 23 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | The solution should work on all three Yoga models and the two they will release next month, I'm thinking. | Sep 23 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | Power management won't be ideal, but the Dell XPS 13 has the same problem. Dell let people put it back into AHCI mode to install Linux. | Sep 23 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | For Lenovo, it's going to be a quirk that handles the situation despite their BIOS. | Sep 23 07:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Arkanta via /r/linux sent 35 minutes ago | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | How do you explain that linux boots and works on surface pro? | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK 1 point a minute ago | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | Since the lockout seems to be a new requirement for their partners, ask me again when Microsoft releases the Surface Pro 5. Anyway, a patch to put the hardware back in AHCI mode after the BIOS exits is possibly in the works by Matthew Garrett, so if MSFT uses this method for the lockout, it may not work. I'm sure they'll find something else. | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | It has to be embarrassing to them that so many people ditch the nasty bug riddled Windows 10 and blog about how great Linux is on their Surface. I'm sure that's where the Lenovo "agreement" came from. Anyway, it lets them test the waters with someone else's branding on the machine before it gets rolled out elsewhere. And since so many people believe their crap that this wasn't intentional, the next Surface probably will come locked to a | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | fake RAID mode. | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What do you think? Think that once we solve this problem there will be another one? | Sep 23 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it will be Groundhog Day again. Everyone forgetting that we've already dealt with this before and apologizing for MSFT again. | Sep 23 07:12 |
| razielle_tzu | it's gonna keep happening | Sep 23 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | [–]Arkanta [score hidden] 6 minutes ago | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | A small driver lockout like that is barely a lockout. Locking out the efi secure boot keys, now that's how you permanently fuck linux. Linux is absolutely no threat to MS in the consumer desktop field (you may wank yourself over this summer's >2% marketshare but MS laughs at that), and they're moving to selling services more and more, so this makes no sense. | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry for your tinfoil hat, but I'm gonna blame intel rather than MS here. I'm also gonna wait for the next surface to laugh at your paranoia even more. | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Edit: also, not many are leaving windows on their surfaces for linux, are barely anyone who does makes big articles about how the bugged w10 made them go away. There's nothing embrasassing. | Sep 23 07:20 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | They want it to look unintentional. | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well shucks, Linux doesn't have a driver! | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can keep it off the machine for years. If this problem with Lenovo gets solved before the hardware is a year old, it will only be because someone in this forum on this topic had the outline of an idea, and I took it to Matthew Garrett and he managed to write a patch. They were probably planning on Linux being unusable for most of the lifetime of the product (3-4 years, perhaps more). | Sep 23 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | If they locked it out with Secure Boot, they'd be sued and under investigation by several world governments IMMEDIATELY. Microsoft is evil, not stupid. | Sep 23 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | He came back with "They could just lock it out forever with Secure Boot.". I replied: | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 07:24 | |
| DaemonFC | "They want it to look unintentional. Well shucks, Linux doesn't have a driver! Then they can keep it off the machine for years. If this problem with Lenovo gets solved before the hardware is a year old, it will only be because someone in this forum on this topic had the outline of an idea, and I took it to Matthew Garrett and he managed to write a patch. They were probably planning on Linux being unusable for most of the lifetime of the | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | product (3-4 years, perhaps more). | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 07:24 | |
| DaemonFC | If they locked it out with Secure Boot, they'd be sued and under investigation by several world governments IMMEDIATELY. Microsoft is evil, not stupid." | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | OOps. | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | I was formatting that for another forum. :P | Sep 23 07:25 |
| razielle_tzu | :P | Sep 23 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | So Lenovo got caught with their pants down. | Sep 23 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently most people aren't buying their story. | Sep 23 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | 86% gave my Reddit article a thumbs up. | Sep 23 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | And the one about the hardware hack to get AHCI mode is at 73%. | Sep 23 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | So something like 3 out of 4 people believe my side over Lenovo's. And that's good because my side is the truth. | Sep 23 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | Trying to fight to keep Linux running despite BIOSes that are designed by Microsoft and PC vendors to stop it is like fighting an uphill battle on ice skates. There is no new Microsoft. Only new tactics. | Sep 23 07:47 |
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| r_schestowitz | [01:52] <DaemonFC> There is no "new Microsoft", only new anti-competitive tactics. New lies. | Sep 23 08:56 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, exactly | Sep 23 08:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Beta 2, Kubuntu 16.10 Beta too | Sep 23 09:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Sep 23 09:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/779235317324718083 | Sep 23 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jhamby: You have a very liberal definition of the term "back door." 😏 https://t.co/Av6HIGF7eh | Sep 23 09:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Powell leakers strike again with alleged White House staffer emails, Michelle Obama passport https://t.co/qvmPIXKHpC back doors abound | Sep 23 09:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | What I meant was, back doors in software make it easier to crack and grab private info | Sep 23 09:27 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: did reddit delete any thread? | Sep 23 09:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I mean, did it engage in censorship of any kind? | Sep 23 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Not that I know of. They gave me a "misleading title" flair and then the mod said something about how they were thinking of deleting it, but that was yesterday, and then they changed their mind because so many people were discussing things there. | Sep 23 09:40 |
| razielle_tzu | one of the threads did get deleted, or at least made to look like it had been | Sep 23 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | 500 million Yahoo accounts hacked? | Sep 23 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo has 500 million users? WTF | Sep 23 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sb101sb/status/779241526161448960 | Sep 23 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sb101sb: @schestowitz PR/marketing | Sep 23 09:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: ah OK | Sep 23 09:52 |
| r_schestowitz | so I guess it you who deleted a thread, or whoever the OP was | Sep 23 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Wow. You type firefox into Bing and a video pops up saying you should use Edge because it's the browser made for Windows 10. | Sep 23 09:52 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks, posted that just now | Sep 23 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Added an ad blocking rule to handle that. | Sep 23 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | www.bing.com###b_results > .b_topborder.b_top.b_ans | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | ta | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | interesting | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | ah, ok, so it's in the page | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | I thought in thw browser | Sep 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | It's on top of the search results and autoplays. | Sep 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | It has tabs with more information about Edge and an "Ads by Microsoft" tag on it. | Sep 23 09:56 |
| r_schestowitz | haha, desperate, but still evil | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see what I put in tuxmachines? | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I lost my connection 4 times in the past 12 hours | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted some of the latest articles about it, I think it was quite exhaustive | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93848 | Sep 23 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 23 09:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | You can see their tactics | Sep 23 09:58 |
| r_schestowitz | they go to the same sites that publish reports | Sep 23 09:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and ask them to publish new articles with the official lie | Sep 23 09:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and some people did swallow this and now repeat the face-saving lie | Sep 23 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, You tell people that and they get hostile about it. | Sep 23 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I made it the first part in my reply to MS and Lenovo. | Sep 23 10:03 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: put their feet to the fire | Sep 23 10:03 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 10:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | they're lying, everyone knows this, except maybe publishers/editors who are not technical | Sep 23 10:03 |
| r_schestowitz | and they publish their tripe | Sep 23 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, I reported the Edge ad to Easylist along with the filter I used. | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | good | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | keep pressuring until they issue more lies | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | also, it might be worth making up a list of Lenovo lies | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | from their reps, product managers etc. | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | to show a pattern of lies and shifted narratives | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | if they flip-flopped between stories it means people risk getting canned | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | and they'd say anything to cover their vehind | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | *behing | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | *behind | Sep 23 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, "Several people state that this lock-out in the BIOS is not present in otherwise identical models that are sold in Germany and Europe" | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | there are still many articles written about it | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | don't make it over (the song) | Sep 23 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | The yoga laptops sold in Germany have the AHCI option in the BIOS setup. | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | they want the negative publicity and scrutiny to stop | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | you can see in -social channel what I write in Diaspora etc. | Sep 23 10:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7879661 | Sep 23 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ #lenovo lying (censored) | Sep 23 10:11 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | UPDATE: I pinged Matthew Garrett after someone had an idea about having the Linux kernel switch the hardware out of RAID and into AHCI mode AFTER the BIOS hands it over to the kernel, and he said it might work and that he'd see about writing a patch. This would have the practical effect of running Linux in AHCI mode on the Dell XPS, only through a Linux "hardware quirk" to deal with Lenovo doing nothing to fix the BIOS. Actually, Lenovo | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | hasn't done anything through this whole ordeal but lie, lie some more, try to delete evidence, get together with Microsoft and release a joint lie, and then pressure the news media to change their stories. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | ALSO: According to a comment on this page, some people in Germany report that the European versions of the affected Yoga laptops don't have AHCI mode hidden in the BIOS. Perhaps because the EU takes locking users out of their PCs more seriously than the US government does. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Sep 23 10:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I pinged sjvn about it, too | Sep 23 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, It's tiring. I don't know how you do this every day. | Sep 23 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've been doing my best to reply to every comment and private message I get though. :) | Sep 23 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | There's been a lot of that to keep up with. | Sep 23 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | at least it reaches millions of people, through resultant articles | Sep 23 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sine_injuria/status/779250416118820866 | Sep 23 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sine_injuria: Almost daily occurrence in #ContinentalEuropean #Megapolis re #Corporate-scripted #MSM #RadioSilence, #Paris 15th r… https://t.co/kcxJYqWTVi | Sep 23 10:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sine_injuria: Almost daily occurrence in #ContinentalEuropean #Megapolis re #Corporate-scripted #MSM #RadioSilence, #Paris 15th r… https://t.co/kcxJYqWTVi | Sep 23 10:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ManagingIP/status/779251013823897600 | Sep 23 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ManagingIP: Look forward to reading! https://t.co/T2ivxxGtF4 | Sep 23 10:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to write some detailed rebuttals to #epo #battistelli and #upc this afternoon if all goes according to plan | Sep 23 10:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779235234407559168 | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phoronix Graphics News https://t.co/KVYfpdUvRJ | Sep 23 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix Graphics News | Tux Machines | Sep 23 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779235714106032128 | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Recently in Techrights https://t.co/FDEg7pHz7v | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 23 10:36 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Can you check Lenovo's UK support site and see if there's a BIOS for the Yoga 900 ISK2 posted? | Sep 23 11:01 |
| razielle_tzu | DaemonFC: i'm checking that now for you | Sep 23 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to post it to a BIOS mods forum and have them go over it and see if AHCI mode is hidden. | Sep 23 11:04 |
| razielle_tzu | there's a bios update from april but that's it | Sep 23 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | the version 5 one | Sep 23 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, mine is on version 8. They didn't post 6, 7, or 8. | Sep 23 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | They just flashed version 8 on this one. | Sep 23 11:05 |
| razielle_tzu | it's listed as version number 2UCN05WW | Sep 23 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that's it. | Sep 23 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | The one on my machine is 2ucn08WW. | Sep 23 11:05 |
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| razielle_tzu | strange how only v5 is listed and loks like a minor mod to the bios ;) | Sep 23 11:08 |
| razielle_tzu | *looks | Sep 23 11:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7879661 | Sep 23 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ #lenovo lying (censored) | Sep 23 11:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 11:12 | |
| Tervy | mmm chromodo is getting annoying too .. this happened just minute ago https://λ.pw/77d.png ( i know its my fault using comodos browser but thats beside the point | Sep 23 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://λ.pw/77d.png ) | Sep 23 11:13 | |
| Tervy | that came as notification popup on right bottom corner | Sep 23 11:14 |
| Tervy | see the sneaky "by clicking "ok" you agreed to accept this offer" | Sep 23 11:14 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah and no boxing around the decline option | Sep 23 11:15 |
| razielle_tzu | and a TINY tick box for the change of settings | Sep 23 11:16 |
| Tervy | that box is just for "other browser we will change chromodos settings anyway if you click OK" | Sep 23 11:16 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Sep 23 11:17 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: can you be more specific about what I need to search for and how? | Sep 23 11:23 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'm contacting some people about it | Sep 23 11:23 |
| r_schestowitz | quote: | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Not done an article about it yet (tuxmachines clusters the link) as I don't want journalists to see us as 'implicated'... until it's all over. There's a cycle of lies now, as was the case with Superfish (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end). | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | [11:22] <r_schestowitz> This is still very active a subject, even if the press won't cover it much anymore. About 50 press articles so far... | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I link to some stuff related to this to keep the topic 'warm' | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I guess it buries the powwow about libreboot for now | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | brb, need to type some article about epo | Sep 23 11:25 |
| r_schestowitz | gnome release party tonight here, starting 6pm | Sep 23 11:26 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, way past time to sleep. | Sep 23 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | Good night. | Sep 23 11:38 |
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| r_schestowitz | > I've noticed that there is little information, though the dominant | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > messages (of disinformation) from M$ and Lenovo by shills and apologists | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > are what is most visible. ( Poor sjvn, I used to read his material. | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > not lately though, I only saw it by accident... ) | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > What M$ is trying is a natural continuation of the lock-down they | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > started with Restricted Boot. M$ is in the hardware takeover for the | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > long game. Around 15 or 16 years ago, they were trying to get hold of | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > the BIOS even then, I think it was Pheonix or American Megatrends they | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > tried to subvert, but I cannot recall anything more. | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > Also, Apple is now in the same game now that they have that asspirate | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > running the company. He's pulled the analog jack and will work down | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > from that end of the stack. M$ will work upward, and they hope to meet | Sep 23 11:42 |
| r_schestowitz | > in the middle, cheered on by MPAA, RIAA, CIA, NSA, GCHQ, etc. | Sep 23 11:42 |
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| cubexyz | if you look at AMI bios source code you'll see they do testing on linux | Sep 23 12:37 |
| cubexyz | not in every case of course, but in many of them | Sep 23 12:39 |
| cubexyz | in the old days they did tests on SCO Unix... say 1994 to 1999, maybe before that | Sep 23 12:39 |
| cubexyz | and before that it was only real mode 16-bit operating systems | Sep 23 12:40 |
| cubexyz | oh, also I can say from personal experience that Phoenix BIOS was tested on Xenix | Sep 23 12:41 |
| cubexyz | with boot guard you can't mod the BIOS | Sep 23 12:46 |
| cubexyz | intel boot guard basically rules out coreboot as well | Sep 23 12:47 |
| cubexyz | one can at least look at the coreboot code for 3rd party (chromebooks/chromeboxes): | Sep 23 12:50 |
| cubexyz | git clone https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/coreboot | Sep 23 12:50 |
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| cubexyz | the BSD people are worried about lock-in too, it's not just the linux folks | Sep 23 12:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II, Chaos Rising and | Sep 23 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | [12:51] <cubexyz> the BSD people are worried about lock-in too, it's not just the linux folks | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They have fewer voices | Sep 23 15:10 |
| dblaber | all 3 of those bsd users :P:P | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | which means the public might not sympathise as much | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | like GNU | Sep 23 15:10 |
| dblaber | joking, don't kill me :P | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | "what's that?"| | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | People know the "Linux" brand | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | dblaber: few of us use BSD | Sep 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I have it on some servers at work, cubexyz uses just about any OS out there | Sep 23 15:11 |
| dblaber | i don't use it on the desktop, but bunch of servers | Sep 23 15:11 |
| dblaber | cubexyz: any os out their eh? | Sep 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | gtg, gnome release party in manchester this evening | Sep 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | wife is going there too | Sep 23 15:12 |
| dblaber | why do none of these things happen in NYC? | Sep 23 15:12 |
| cubexyz | any OS with source code, with a few exceptions | Sep 23 15:18 |
| cubexyz | certain programming environments from DEC were interesting | Sep 23 15:20 |
| cubexyz | TOPS-20 would be an exception... it's proprietary, but still interesting enough to run | Sep 23 15:20 |
| dblaber | freedos :)? | Sep 23 15:23 |
| dblaber | i love real mode operating systems | Sep 23 15:23 |
| cubexyz | I run that too | Sep 23 15:23 |
| cubexyz | one of the vector computers dual boots into freedos and linux | Sep 23 15:24 |
| dblaber | i have a fascination with the older apple operating systems, Mac os pre os x, apple II's os etc, although no source code | Sep 23 15:24 |
| dblaber | probably just because i have used them so much while younger | Sep 23 15:24 |
| cubexyz | back in the day, when folks bought an IBM 1130 they got full IBM DMS source code with it | Sep 23 15:25 |
| cubexyz | it's assembly language, so not the easiest thing to learn | Sep 23 15:26 |
| dblaber | what arch was it? | Sep 23 15:27 |
| cubexyz | ah, IBM 1130 with SLT... that's a 16-bit architecture, you would be limited to 32,768 16-bit words of memory | Sep 23 15:28 |
| cubexyz | mag core | Sep 23 15:28 |
| cubexyz | mid-1960s technology | Sep 23 15:28 |
| cubexyz | peripherals would be card reader, display copier, printer, plotter, paper tape reader... tons of options | Sep 23 15:30 |
| cubexyz | an interesting machine | Sep 23 15:31 |
| cubexyz | probably by 1974 most would have been taken out of service | Sep 23 15:41 |
| cubexyz | here's a nice pic: | Sep 23 15:43 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-complete-system.jpg | Sep 23 15:43 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NeckbeardHacker/status/654410350696206340 | Sep 23 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NeckbeardHacker: If by "container" you mean emacs...yes, I deploy and run my app inside a container. | Sep 23 15:44 | |
| MinceR | looks pretty smudged... is part of it missing? | Sep 23 15:45 |
| cubexyz | try it again | Sep 23 15:45 |
| cubexyz | not sure what happened there | Sep 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | works now | Sep 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | nice indeed | Sep 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | did people put things on top of those large flat surfaces? | Sep 23 15:46 |
| cubexyz | yeah, they would often put the removeable 14-inch cartridges up there on a rack | Sep 23 15:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-folks.jpg | Sep 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 23 15:48 |
| cubexyz | I don't have a real 1130 of course, it's just via the magic of emulation | Sep 23 15:49 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/silentbicycle/status/674306687440969728 | Sep 23 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silentbicycle: Did you hear about the C programmer who broke their ARM? They were volatile because they had an unsigned cast. | Sep 23 16:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Matthew Garrett is in the Reddit conversation now. He began by attacking me. | Sep 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/d7yigzu | Sep 23 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement | Sep 23 20:32 | |
| DaemonFC | In context. You need to expand the replies though. | Sep 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | [–]mjg59Social Justice Warrior 19 points 9 hours ago | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan, you don't appear to know anything more about hardware now than you did when you claimed Foxconn were sabotaging Linux 8 years ago. 2W is about 50% of the idle consumption of a modern laptop. That's several hours of additional battery life. And, as pointed out elsewhere, the issue isn't the SSD itself - it's the fact that an incorrectly configured storage device will prevent the entire CPU package from going into deep sleep states, | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | potentially costing you far more power. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] -8 points 9 hours ago* | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | The Dell XPS 13 had an issue where it couldn't go into into full power save mode when idle and the battery runtime went from 11 hours and 54 minutes after the fix. Before the fix it was 9 hours and 37 minutes. And that's not "several" hours, by the way. It's a hit, but not several hours. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | I would trade that to run Linux. It's still an all day charge. I've dealt with laptops running Windows that got 3 hours before. I think you're just overlooking how spoiled people have gotten. But whatever... | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | There's a cycle of lies being perpetuated by Lenovo in the media right now, as was the case with Superfish (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end). You don't need to help them by laying all of the blame on Intel. Intel does more for Linux and open source than a lot of companies, like "NoVideo". | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo has a PR damage control team on hand contacting the media and telling them to rewrite the story with Lenovo's lies featured in it. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Dell, on the other hand, just went ahead and released a new BIOS with AHCI mode when people complained. I guess I know where to take my hard-earned money next time. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | (Nice Social Justice Warrior flair, btw. Do you need a safe space or a trigger word?) | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | [–]mjg59Social Justice Warrior 1 point 2 hours ago | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | I would trade that to run Linux | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | That's great! But for most people who own this laptop, it'd be an option that increased their power consumption without providing any benefit. Deciding not to offer that option isn't "blocking" Linux. Deciding not to release and support firmware that provides that option isn't "blocking" Linux. Failing to support it, sure - but there are many vendors who ship hardware that's unsupported by Linux (try installing Linux on a current Macbook, | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | for instance), and our failure to support that hardware isn't their problem. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | (Nice Social Justice Warrior flair, btw. Do you need a safe space or a trigger word?) | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | You're the one responds to criticism by signing people up to spam lists. Sure you're not the one who needs a safe space? | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 4 minutes ago | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | "That's great! But for most people who own this laptop, it'd be an option that increased their power consumption without providing any benefit." | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | So having the Linux kernel kick the damned thing back into AHCI mode after the BIOS exits, which will be reset on the next reboot anyway is going to affect Windows users who will never use Linux? | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Or maybe an AHCI mode option from Lenovo that says "Warning: Changing this option will lower your battery runtime. Only change it if you know what you are doing!" and then letting people who want to run Linux toggle it? That affects Windows users? Most of them don't even know that there is a BIOS, much less how to get into it during the 1 second window that you have to hit the key to get into the setup. | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | "Our failure to support that hardware isn't their problem." | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | The failure is that Linux doesn't know how to deal with this insanity and kick the system back out to AHCI mode so it WORKS with maybe 8-10% less runtime on the battery (if the XPS is a good example of what happens in AHCI mode) until the day when Linux developers know what to do to get ideal power management on the hardware. NOT WORKING AT ALL is worse than not working ideally. | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's the real failure here. And if it can be fixed with a few lines of code and it won't be, because we're supposed to wait on those assholes at Lenovo to do something official with the BIOS (which they never will because they already said they won't, and even mentioned the Microsoft deal before they walked it back) then that's even worse. | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | You've bashed Intel before because of your "SJW" crap. So, how do we know you're being fair to Intel? | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | "You're the one responds to criticism by signing people up to spam lists." | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | First of all.....you're still blaming me for that even though I already clearly stated that I had no idea what you were on about. Secondly, that was eight years ago? Jesus.... | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Then someone else came in..... | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | [–]fixed_that_for_me 1 point 2 hours ago | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | (Nice Social Justice Warrior flair, btw. Do you need a safe space or a trigger word?) | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Fuck right off. | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't particularly like some of mjg's social stances, and I'd happily argue with him if I met him, but the guy's technical abilities are top notch. Shit, he probably knows more about various bits of Lenovo hardware from experience alone than some of the folks at Lenovo (I can personally confirm he definitely knows more than some of the mid-level people there...) | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | His positions on various social issues are irrelevant to his expertise on the matter at hand. And -- unlike you -- he does have expertise. | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end) | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Yes it was a dumb decision to bundle it in the first place. | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | But perhaps you can tell me what part of a mea culpa, reaching out to anti-spyware/anti-adware vendors to ensure blacklisting, removing it from the preinstall images, and releasing a goddamn removal tool that they open sourced counts as "Lenovo lied and it came tumbling down"? | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty clear that you have it out for Lenovo. And, whatever, that's cool. Don't buy their shit. | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | But don't lie. And when you're called out by an expert, don't keep lying and resort to ad-hominem attacks. | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 19 minutes ago* | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | What Lenovo did was wait until all of their lies and bullshit ran out and then offered a fucking removal tool for the shit that they put on millions of computers, some probably still running Superfish today, complete with the self-signed cert that they said was "not a security problem"! Motherfuckers. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's well known that Garrett has done things for horrible political reasons. He's an Intel basher, so why wouldn't he blame Intel and vastly overstate the power usage of the hardware in AHCI mode. (It doesn't seem to bother Dell users. Linus Torvalds said he bought a Dell XPS system, and that's the mode it's running in, right?) Garrett bashed Intel because of a phony scandal and it's people like him that basically bled GNOME's finances dry | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | on an "outreach to women" program that basically had no results in the end. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm going to donate money to GNOME, I'd like it to be used to develop GNOME and promote GNOME and not on some noxious politically correct SJW campaign. I think they've lost their damned minds, personally. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2143160/gnome-foundation-faces-cash-crunch-over-women-outreach-program.html | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | If women want to join open source development, maybe they'll just do it without the pandering and obnoxious SJW people spending all the cash the project has on marketing to a demographic that is perhaps, just not interested. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gnome Foundation faces cash crunch over women outreach program | PCWorld | Sep 23 20:37 | |
| DaemonFC | But again, well-known Intel basher. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| Tervy | Holy macaroni that was a lot of text | Sep 23 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | [–]CrimeOfOpportunity [score hidden] 17 minutes ago | Sep 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | There's some good points listed there but nothing beyond speculation unfortunately. And it doesn't change the fact that this BIOS lock thus far has shown to be exclusive to North America (or at least, excludes European markets) | Sep 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | As a recap, here's what demographic this conspiracy aims to steal: North American owners of Lenovo Yoga 900 IKS2 laptops. I don't know who formulated this backhanded stuff, but it's hardly Dan Brown material. | Sep 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | And again, it doesn't explain the fact that were this to become widespread, the linux kernel would in all likelihood respond by upping the effort to support RAID, rendering the whole conspiracy moot. | Sep 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | We deal with hardware support issues all the time, this is hardly evidence of some kind of campaign against Linux. | Sep 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually four models of Yoga laptops and about to be six as soon as the 910 and Yoga Book Windows Edition is out. (There's an Android edition of the Yoga Book scheduled to launch, but knowing Lenovo, I wouldn't put it past them to make it come with a bunch of crapware marked "system app", but maybe you can take root and get rid of it if that happens.) | Sep 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Well, Matthew Garrett did reply to that. | Sep 23 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | [–]mjg59Social Justice Warrior [score hidden] 16 minutes ago | Sep 23 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | The failure is that Linux doesn't know how to deal with this insanity and kick the system back out to AHCI mode so it WORKS | Sep 23 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | That's certainly a possible solution. Intel are in the best position to write that code. I may attempt it in the next few days. | Sep 23 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think that my point that not working at all is worse than not working ideally was correct. | Sep 23 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | And he overstated the impact AHCI mode will have on battery life. | Sep 23 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | In the Dell's case, you're dealing with about 9 hours and 40 minutes instead of 11 hours 56 minutes with the Intel power management, because they had the original skylake power issue which prevented deep sleep. So that was the runtimes for Windows, at least.. | Sep 23 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Garrett said "several hours" but it's really more like 2 | Sep 23 21:07 |
| razielle_tzu | two and a bit, big deal | Sep 23 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but we don't know the testing situation that the magazine used either. | Sep 23 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | My system is hardly ever in a situation where it could go into deep sleep. | Sep 23 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | It's cranking away running a million browser tables, playing videos, running spotify. | Sep 23 21:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know what the problem is in some open source projects. | Sep 23 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | At least the kind of people who want to throw away most of the code and start over every 4-5 years aren't in charge of the Linux kernel. | Sep 23 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on the fence about systemd. | Sep 23 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | What GNOME is doing is ridiculous. | Sep 23 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | A few of their programs are more friendly than KDE's, but that's not really enough to make me want to use it. | Sep 23 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | If I get Linux running on this machined I'll probably use KDE. | Sep 23 21:27 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Matthew Garrett is in the Reddit conversation now. He began by attacking me. | Sep 23 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Sep 23 21:28 |
| schestowitz | he calls himself "SJW" | Sep 23 21:28 |
| schestowitz | self-described | Sep 23 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why the people who are qualified to work on these issues are some of the meanest people on Earth. | Sep 23 21:29 |
| razielle_tzu | garrett seems like a [redacted] reading those comments | Sep 23 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779415702902018048 | Sep 23 21:30 |
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| DaemonFC | !google matthew garrett intel gamergate | Sep 23 21:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | Sep 23 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 23 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html | Sep 23 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Actions have consequences (or: why I'm not fixing Intel's bugs any more) | Sep 23 21:32 | |
| DaemonFC | There's his article about it anyway. | Sep 23 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | So I made sure to mention that he's an Intel basher. | Sep 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/779362139630891008 | Sep 23 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz One can blame the EPO's leadership for many things but in technical professions diversity is hard to achieve, unfortunately. | Sep 23 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not anymore | Sep 23 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Still, the reaction was ridiculous. | Sep 23 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Ridiculous militant third wave feminism. | Sep 23 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Everything male is evil and terrible and I'm offended and all that. | Sep 23 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | They won't be happy until there are no defined genders, even in the medical community. | Sep 23 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | Introducing new pronouns like "Xe" and "Vee". | Sep 23 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | It only works if people cooperate with it. | Sep 23 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | And people like those assholes at Libreboot.... | Sep 23 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | They said "We won't release her name because we don't want her harrassed, but here are the names off the people who [allegedly] harassed her.". | Sep 23 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Implication being, "Go harass them!". | Sep 23 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Typical SJW. | Sep 23 21:43 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | just got back from gnome party, catching up with news | Sep 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: people at the party heard about lenovo | Sep 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I think most geeks in the UK know about it | Sep 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | it has come to the attention of tens of millions I estimate | Sep 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | they too use lenovo at their company | Sep 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | and after this they feel itchy | Sep 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | so well done, you sank Microsoft and Lenovo in a mess | Sep 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | this sysadmin guy REALLY does not trust Microsoft | Sep 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | and after this more so | Sep 23 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it will probably be fixed, but outside of Lenovo and not in the ideal way. | Sep 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | So people who already have the system and want to use Linux, go ahead. Don't buy a new system for it from Lenovo though. | Sep 23 21:46 |
| knttl | DaemonFC: "like those assholes at libreboot" -> it's bassically one person makins statements as "libreboot"... http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html | Sep 23 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zammit.org | Libreboot screwup | Sep 23 21:47 | |
| DaemonFC | It won't run ideally because Microsoft and Intel won't tell people how power management works. | Sep 23 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | I disagree with Garrett. I think Microsoft likes having the third party driver. That way they can make Windows work, but nobody can make power management work right without Windows and the special driver. | Sep 23 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, well, apologies to the people other than this "Leah". | Sep 23 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | Using the terms like "We" must be a tactic to make it seem like everyone shares the same opinion. | Sep 23 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | That's a scummy thing to do, but....SJW. | Sep 23 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Linux iis getting mentions on major TV shows now. | Sep 23 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | It was mentioned in Mr. Robot several times. | Sep 23 21:56 |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3437431#M8426 | Sep 23 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 28 - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/psdwo ] | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone asked about the idea to kick the hardware into AHCI mode using the Linux kernel on Reddit, so I replied: | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | The beauty of the idea to have Linux kick the machine into AHCI after GRUB starts the kernel is that it gets reset on every boot, and then goes into AHCI mode again when you select Linux. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | When you select Windows, it will be in the fake RAID mode and you still get full power management, and you won't even have to install Windows again to avoid BSoDs. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | And there's nothing Lenovo can do about it since we'd only be using their stupid BIOS to bring the machine out and then throwing out their RAID mode once Linux takes over. As long as you don't get a BIOS update that breaks something else. A BIOS update could break Linux again if Lenovo really intended it to, but I'm thinking after being embroiled in a scandal, they won't try this again. Once is a mistake, twice is a habit. You know? That's | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | my opinion. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Hopefully once we have an interim fix in place that lets us boot Linux, someone can add support for Lenovo's fake RAID mode later, remove the quirk, and we get full power management back. Until then, maybe you get 9 hours instead of 10 on a charge. I haven't tested so I don't know. I would accept the hit to get away from Windows 10, even if we never figure out a solution that lets us run in the RAID mode and support Intel's undocumented | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | power management. | Sep 23 23:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I added, Either way, it's what's going to end up "Solving" this thread. Not Lenovo's press release where they were going out of their way to make vomit-inducing endorsements of Windows 10. | Sep 23 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779441641828429824 | Sep 23 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation Oh, I dunno, it might have become an actual thing, but if so, then it's same as "breaking down silos". lolz | Sep 23 23:09 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: see -soial channel | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this earlier | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I'm behind you in this and I try to keep this going in the media | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Chris Hoffman at IDG wrote earlier today | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Site: PC World | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | he's trying to shift blame to Intel, did you see it? | Sep 23 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Revive Your Old PC With Lightweight Linux LXLE | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 7 things you need to know for WordPress development | Sep 23 23:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 | Sep 23 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OS https://t.co/5irYcmgjD9 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 23:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 OS | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:11 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I saw it. | Sep 23 23:11 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @psychicoperator favourited 'Plasma 5.7.5, Applications 16.08.1 and Frameworks 5.26.0 by...' | Sep 23 23:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Intel might be one party to blame, but in my opinion, it makes three companies that had a hand in this mess, so blaming only Intel is misguided. | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/blog/week-open-source-news-linux-foundation-offering-free-openstack-training-github-wants-more | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | "UPDATE: Microsoft Isn’t Really Blocking Laptops From Installing Linux, Lenovo Says- The Next Web" | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | yes, DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Week in Open Source News: Linux Foundation Offering Free OpenStack Training, GitHub Wants More Business Users, & More | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 23 23:12 | |
| schestowitz | see what I wrote | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | it's three or more parties to blame | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | they're all complicit to some degree | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | and hopefully they'll take action to address this after your work | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779443715408408576 | Sep 23 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz I dunno, I federate servers pretty often-- which usage were you referring to though? | Sep 23 23:14 | |
| schestowitz | The buzzword... | Sep 23 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | They do use the word "Wintel" for a reason. MS and Intel tend to do things in lockstep. MS benefits from having a situation where only a Windows driver from Intel can bail you out. | Sep 23 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | They preloaded Windows on the machine and there's nothing you can do about it thanks to this configuration, so why is Microsoft hurt? They aren't. In fact, I'm sure they encouraged it. Maybe even had the idea in the first place. | Sep 23 23:16 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @hidenosuke retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779443970690560000 | Sep 23 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz ...in the long-term I don't know if we can save the engineering part of @linuxfoundation from the business part. I hope so. | Sep 23 23:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @k6ekb favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:18 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @PhilippeLoctaux favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: true | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | therein lies the key thing about UEFI | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I often blamed Intel as much as I did Microsoft | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was riding the wave created mostly by Intel | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | their management for the group was mostly Intel people | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | they did a telephone conference with me | Sep 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | 3 of them, the heads | Sep 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | and I asked them to verify Intel paid their salary | Sep 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | they failed to convince me to change my stance | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/PhilippeLoctaux/status/779444797560020992 | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @PhilippeLoctaux #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 23:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 23:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Lenovo is a culmination of many people's longstanding phobia over UEFI | Sep 23 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Intel isn't running EFI anymore. They turned over the spec to a "consortium", and it's a terrible spec. 7,000 pages. Contradicts itself. There will certainly be thousands of bugs. It's basically a rootkit....and so on. | Sep 23 23:19 |
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| DaemonFC | It solved several problems with BIOS at the expense of creating at least 100 problems for every one it solved. | Sep 23 23:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 23 23:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Containerized Production Environments: Networking, | Sep 23 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security, and Storage https://t.co/CiWGsxskcG | Sep 23 23:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | Containerized Production Environments: Networking, Security, and Storage - The New Stack | Sep 23 23:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 Streamlines Into Tumbleweed | Sep 23 23:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rmnPQdRMHc (news.opensuse.org) | Sep 23 23:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Enlightenment EFL Adds Atomic Modesetting, Nuclear | Sep 23 23:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Page-Flipping https://t.co/cnwMjiHARX (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 23 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779447571487961088 | Sep 23 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz You must have felt so honored that day. If I'd won an award like that, I know that I'd never stop gloating! | Sep 23 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | Context missing? | Sep 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779448766415773696 | Sep 23 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz strange! It was in reply to a tweet about the European patent office suing you ;). | Sep 23 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, that. A little scary at first, but it backrfired on them | Sep 23 23:34 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RoccoTerlizzi favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779448629262217216 | Sep 23 23:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Growing Million Dollar OpenStack Deals | Sep 23 23:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oXDHPDhp1p (www.serverwatch.com) By Sean | Sep 23 23:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Michael Kerner | Sep 23 23:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Red Hat Growing Million Dollar OpenStack Deals | Sep 23 23:37 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 23 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I use a TON of filters. So many that it breaks comment sections on most websites and forces me to use a throwaway browser like MS Edge so I can comment. Underneath that, I have a HOSTS file. | Sep 23 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what I can do about this. It turns off things like Facebook tracking me on 3rd party sites. | Sep 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | It breaks comment plugins though. :P | Sep 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I was talking about how counting tracking stats probably undercounts Linux users. | Sep 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them block trackers. | Sep 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | #epo threatening to sue me achieved nothing but ACCELERATE my coverage of them http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779450158765355012 | Sep 23 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Sep 23 23:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz Organizations that do not serve the greater good have a problem with frequent backfires. They should check the engine! | Sep 23 23:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @portlinux favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779450225400438788 | Sep 23 23:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Codeweavers CrossOver 15.3.0 for Linux and Mac OSX has | Sep 23 23:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | been released https://t.co/sNwCnjnWOF | Sep 23 23:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.wine-reviews.net) | Sep 23 23:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wine-reviews.net | Wine Reviews : Codeweavers CrossOver 15.3.0 for Linux and Mac OSX has been released | Sep 23 23:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/_Ravs/status/779450585213001733 | Sep 23 23:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 23:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @_Ravs #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 23:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 23:41 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @manchesterappuk retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:47 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Thomas_Report favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/Thomas_Report/status/779455259907416070 | Sep 24 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Thomas_Report #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 10 isn't "unstable" like earlier releases were where you got a blue screen of death every few days. I've only gotten two blue screens of death in the last 13 months of using Windows 10, and they both happened on the initial release (there have been two more since). | Sep 24 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 is unstable in the sense that it has all kinds of weird bugs that show up and are difficult to reproduce. Like your Bluetooth starts acting up or telling you to reboot the computer when you pair your headphones, and then you shut down and turn the PC back on and it behaves for a while. Same with touchscreen. Updates can hang themselves and require you to reset Windows update and then install the offline package. Just a lot of | Sep 24 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | things that shouldn't ever happen to an end user, and usually don't on Mac or Linux due to higher code quality and a more thorough testing process before the release is marked stable and sent out to users. | Sep 24 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | I hear that Microsoft fired most of their testers and is relying on "telemetry". What does that mean? They push it out to users, see what breaks, and then temporarily halt the updates on that particular system (leaving the people who already got the update in trouble, but Microsoft doesn't seem to care). | Sep 24 00:00 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @grozahn1 favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 00:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779455670655541248 | Sep 24 00:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j | Sep 24 00:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeparty #gnomelove #codethink | Sep 24 00:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 24 00:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779458511642124288 | Sep 24 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz Now you, too can be a source of data for our attempt at building general AI! Don't you feel special? | Sep 24 00:13 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you hear about telemetry in code compiled by Visual Studio? | Sep 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | i.e. other companies' code? | Sep 24 00:13 |
| schestowitz | search the web and thou shalt find | Sep 24 00:14 |
| schestowitz | utterly despicable and proves exactly what I warned about for many years | Sep 24 00:15 |
| schestowitz | that proprietary Microsoft compilers will insert malicious features into compiled code of OTHER people | Sep 24 00:15 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 00:15 | |
| schestowitz | "Spotted by Marius Nestor of Softpedia" http://www.mobipicker.com/linux-kernel-4-8-lands-ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak-new-update-final-beta-build/ | Sep 24 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Kernel 4.8 Lands On Ubuntu 16.10 Yakkety Yak After New Update [Final Beta Build] | MobiPicker | Sep 24 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | They're more or less just plagiarising softpedia | Sep 24 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Sep 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-discounts-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs-after-linux-ban-claims-508574.shtml" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Discounts Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs After Linux Ban Claims</a> [Ed: now in ‘damage control’ mode]</h5></li> | Sep 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://www.techworm.net/2016/09/lenovo-denies-claims-blocking-linux-windows-10-pcs.html" rel="nofollow">Lenovo denies claims of blocking Linux on Windows 10 PCs</a></h5></li> | Sep 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/3123075/linux/linux-wont-install-on-your-laptop-blame-intel-not-microsoft.html" rel="nofollow">If Linux won't install on your laptop, blame Intel not Microsoft</a></h5></li> | Sep 24 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Discounts Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs After Linux Ban Claims | Sep 24 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | sorry for the hypercrap | Sep 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | but it's the latest | Sep 24 00:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If Linux won't install on your laptop, blame Intel not Microsoft | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/pse6l ] | Sep 24 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | see discounts | Sep 24 00:31 |
| schestowitz | damage control | Sep 24 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: show that they lie | Sep 24 00:31 |
| schestowitz | for followups in the media | Sep 24 00:31 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.dailydot.com/debug/bing-porn-search-engine/ | Sep 24 00:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailydot.com | How Bing became the search engine for porn | The Daily Dot | Sep 24 00:47 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93888 | Sep 24 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux and Hardware | Tux Machines | Sep 24 00:51 | |
| schestowitz | looks like my connection is stabilizing again | Sep 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | been a rocky 23 hours | Sep 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you too dropped out | Sep 24 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | I closed the laptop for a few minutes. | Sep 24 00:53 |
| schestowitz | [00:31] <-- DaemonFC (~daemonfc@unaffiliated/daemonfc) has left this server (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). | Sep 24 00:54 |
| schestowitz | [00:31] <schestowitz> DaemonFC: show that they lie | Sep 24 00:54 |
| schestowitz | [00:31] <schestowitz> for followups in the media | Sep 24 00:55 |
| cubexyz | wintel is kind of over though | Sep 24 00:57 |
| cubexyz | I use my chromebook with ARM Cortex, it's not intel and it's not windows | Sep 24 00:58 |
| cubexyz | from 1987 I was using Amiga | Sep 24 00:58 |
| cubexyz | not to mention zaurus | Sep 24 00:59 |
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| cubexyz | there's no way I'm going to fart around with some Linux hostile Lenovo computer | Sep 24 01:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Beginners Guide To Linux | Sep 24 01:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.about.com | A Basic Guide To Linux | Sep 24 01:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Watch The Bq M10 Ubuntu Tablet Running OTA-13 | Sep 24 01:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Watch The Bq M10 Ubuntu Tablet Running OTA-13 - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 24 01:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779470911904837632 | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Damage Control’ Mode) https://t.co/uufgrXuOKF | Sep 24 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in ‘Damage Control’ Mode) | Techrights | Sep 24 01:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472350899089408 | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE and GNOME Leftovers https://t.co/M9OXf7F3E3 | Sep 24 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and GNOME Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 24 01:08 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, John says that a passenger coming through his security line at Midway had a Yoga laptop and so he mentioned me and the guy was like "Oh, so that's who posted that!?". | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472351998062592 | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/kavxI4iJNw | Sep 24 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 24 01:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472352996237312 | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/cuuFxZgmEX | Sep 24 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 24 01:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779472354468503552 | Sep 24 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux on Servers https://t.co/Pfrfg6B5fp | Sep 24 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on Servers | Tux Machines | Sep 24 01:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Fermodymanic via /r/linux sent 30 minutes ago | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | So are you saying that there literally isn't any proof that the thread was deleted except your word? | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | All those people that were monitoring it and talking in it, and all those people that must have checked it when you made your post (and that was an incredibly high view post. It was thousands of people viewing and commenting). And yet no one else has actually confirmed that it was deleted, commented with something like "Hi, yep I just tried the link you posted and you're right, it's been deleted" | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | And in fact, the only commentary we have on it is someone pointing out that it wasn't deleted after all, a couple of hours after you posted? | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I'm not saying you're mistaken or lying because I don't really know - all I know is I turned up 4 hours into your post and two hours earlier someone had replied that they could access it fine. But I do know that in the past I've frequently gone into a rage about a mod deleting my thread and started composing a lengthy expose, only to find that, in my anger, I've done something silly and just been clicking the wrong thing and it was | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | there the whole time (or had just been moved or had some admin work done on it that made it temporarily unavailable) | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | contextfull comments (104)reportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | It had actually disappeared from their forum for probably like 20-30 minutes and then it was back again. I actually went out to the Linux forum to see if the topic was even there. It had vanished. Then it came back as a locked post with Andy_Lenovo saying he had locked it to prevent abuse. (What a crock of shit, but oh well. I think most of us know Lenovo well enough to expect that from them now.) | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, no matter what you say, there will always be people who don't believe you. I mean, like 9/11 truthers. There are millions of people who don't believe that airplanes brought down the WTC towers. No matter what you say, you won't convince them otherwise. | Sep 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just glad that the percentage of people who vote down my threads are less than 1/4 of the people who bother to vote. They're a minority, and quite frankly, I'm surprised to see so much hostility for Linux and Free Software in the Linux forum. So many people defending Microsoft, Lenovo, and Intel, the three companies that are the whole reason we're here talking about the problem they handed us. There is no new Microsoft. There are only | Sep 24 01:11 |
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| DaemonFC | new lies. New tactics. They get together with Lenovo and agree on a lie to tell the news and then lean on the news to run with it. | Sep 24 01:11 |
| schestowitz | "truther" analogy | Sep 24 01:12 |
| *schestowitz likes | Sep 24 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Actually, I'm back up to 4/5 people who vote approve of my thread. | Sep 24 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 56 minutes ago | Sep 24 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | Well, some people don't believe the truth. | Sep 24 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | Like the Best Buy comment from Lenovo that is still there as far as I know. I grabbed the screenshot of that because I suspected that it might be deleted later to make it seem like it never existed, but Lenovo confirmed that the comment is there when they said they had no idea who posted it. Sure they don't.... Probably the guy that they likely fired or wrote up right after saying that. | Sep 24 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | That was on the top of all that. | Sep 24 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | Forgot to copy it. | Sep 24 01:15 |
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| cubexyz | that Lenovo Yoga has three strikes against it: and remove bios chip, M$ tax, can't install linux (without great effort) | Sep 24 01:18 |
| cubexyz | s/and/can't/ | Sep 24 01:19 |
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| *cubexyz give it the doubleplusungood rating | Sep 24 01:20 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]lutusp 69 points 1 day ago | Sep 24 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | Quote: "Microsoft isn't anti-Linux anymore" | Sep 24 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | Wait, what? The fact that there's a Bash shell available for Windows 10 doesn't mean Microsoft isn't anti-Linux, any more than the fact that representatives of warring powers sit down at a peace conference together proves they aren't enemies any more. | Sep 24 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 24 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 24 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | This is one of the funniest things I've heard all day. | Sep 24 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | Who the hell would want to run the "Windows Subsystem for Linux"? Yuck. I wonder how good the compatibility or performance even is since there's no Linux kernel code in the entire stack? Microsoft re-implemented some APIs without any Linux code because they don't want to be held to the GPL. | Sep 24 01:24 |
| cubexyz | bash is GPL | Sep 24 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft loves their shitty Linux-free Linux implementation!" | Sep 24 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | What were they going to do? Rewrite all of bash? | Sep 24 01:27 |
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| cubexyz | M$ has to provide source code for it | Sep 24 01:28 |
| cubexyz | maybe they used some sort of wrapper to ELF bash? I don't know | Sep 24 01:30 |
| cubexyz | ah yes that's what they did actually | Sep 24 01:31 |
| cubexyz | not that I'm going to use it | Sep 24 01:32 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.linux.com/publications/linux-kernel-development-how-fast-it-going-who-doing-it-what-they-are-doing-and-who-5 | Sep 24 02:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Intel is still in the top 10. | Sep 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was for a while when they were writing their own hyper-v driver. | Sep 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | People acted like they were making Linux better. | Sep 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3121792/open-source-tools/whos-no-1-in-open-source-microsoft.html | Sep 24 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who's No. 1 in open source? Microsoft! | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/ps5yw ] | Sep 24 03:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I said this guy was a problem when Canonical hired him. | Sep 24 03:04 |
| cubexyz | come on... | Sep 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | Matt Asay | Sep 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3032647/open-source-tools/face-it-theres-no-money-in-open-source.html | Sep 24 03:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Face it: There's no money in open source | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/oit6a ] | Sep 24 03:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat bashing. Making wild claims. | Sep 24 03:06 |
| cubexyz | I'm a stock holder, so pfffft | Sep 24 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | Clickbait. Glad I use my ad blocker because it says it blocked 25 items on this site. | Sep 24 03:06 |
| cubexyz | sysadmin jobs? | Sep 24 03:07 |
| cubexyz | ok, well give "info"world a miss | Sep 24 03:08 |
| cubexyz | lots of ways to make money with FOSS | Sep 24 03:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.osdisc.com sells CDs and DVDs with exactly that | Sep 24 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OSDisc.com - Buy Linux CDs, DVDs, USB Flash Drives, Books, Software Repositories - Your source for open source. | Sep 24 03:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Not with the software itself, usually, but there are business models that make money with open source. Lots of money. | Sep 24 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | He's just clickbaiting. He's a charlatan. | Sep 24 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | He didn't last too long at Canonical. Still uses it on his resume. He's like the open source world version of Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. | Sep 24 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | They hire him and then find out he can't actually do anything useful and it's all a deception. | Sep 24 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC | https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14468732_234899663578914_1223688541849373416_o.jpg | Sep 24 05:27 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Lenovos-Signature-Edition-hold-Superfish-heavy-RAID | Sep 24 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/3123113/windows-pcs/impending-cumulative-updates-unnerve-windows-patch-experts.html | Sep 24 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | Individual patches for Windows 7 and 8.1 are coming to an end, meaning that you will have to install several hundred MB megapatches, Windows 10 style, and hope they don't break something important. | Sep 24 05:42 |
| cubexyz | I hear we actually have something like transparent aluminium now | Sep 24 05:46 |
| cubexyz | magnesium aluminate | Sep 24 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Sep 24 05:48 |
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| r_schestowitz | [03:04] <DaemonFC> I said this guy was a problem when Canonical hired him. | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Mac Asay, yes | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Red Hat folks call him Asayroll | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | as in troll | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | That was years ago, I don't think they even mention him anymore | Sep 24 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | His blog posts all seem to be the same thing. | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | he used to work for Novell, also applied for a job at Microsoft | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I think even they rejected him as an applicant | Sep 24 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat bashing followed by "No money in open source." | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | now at Adobe, I suppose still | Sep 24 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Put it in a blender, change the title, hit Submit | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he doesn't write the titles | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | editors typically do | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | in The Register they used pretty bad headlines for him | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he blocked me in Twitter after I had criticised him | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | very thin skinned, I didn't even speak to him | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | we were like online friends a decade ago | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | back then he was a GPL proponent | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Then, later on, he.....changed | Sep 24 07:31 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:00] <DaemonFC> Microsoft was for a while when they were writing their own hyper-v driver. | Sep 24 07:33 |
| r_schestowitz | it's worse than you put it | Sep 24 07:33 |
| r_schestowitz | to rebutal their lies | Sep 24 07:33 |
| r_schestowitz | tell them MS pushed, temporarily: | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | 1. proprietary software crap | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | hyperv http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Sep 24 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/cpdmt ] | Sep 24 07:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | 2. it was initially a GPL violation | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | ! | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | See http://techrights.org/2009/07/24/microsoft-gpl-compliance/ | Sep 24 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Claims GPL Compliance Came Before Any Violation Claims | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e2 ] | Sep 24 07:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/08/01/groklaw-on-microsoft-gpl-violations/ | Sep 24 07:35 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/07/28/microsoft-violation-of-the-gplv2/ | Sep 24 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Groklaw on Microsoft’s GPL Violation and Microsoft on the GPL | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e0 ] | Sep 24 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Did Violate the GPLv2 | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e4 ] | Sep 24 07:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | "to rebuttal">"to rebut" | Sep 24 07:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I see this lie a lot | Sep 24 07:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I can't believe the Linux camp has this many "useful idiots" | Sep 24 07:36 |
| r_schestowitz | there's also a 3. | Sep 24 07:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft poorly maintain the code for proprorietary code it had pushed in | Sep 24 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | (with back doors) | Sep 24 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | and Greg K-H publicly complained about it | Sep 24 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | so the code was more of a curse than a blessing for 3 reasons, DaemonFC | Sep 24 07:39 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874537 | Sep 24 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardly surprised that a #microsoft and #uefi apologist wrote this http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html see techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ #lenovo #gnu #linux | Sep 24 07:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 24 07:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "They have a near infinite cash sink, they can make anyone write anything. They underestimate us." | Sep 24 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | "Dafuq you just wrote. Matthew is the first who opposed UEFI but ended up writing code so Linux can get installed on new hardware and not crying as you two. Man even got award for such thing and is on board of FSF directors sperheading a lot of Free software advocacy in more ways than most. What did you two do for Free software? Btw, Matthew works for CoreOS as Security Engineer, also showed the golden key exploits really works for UEFI - | Sep 24 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so Microsft is not his deal…" | Sep 24 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor "Hanlon’s razor perhaps applies to Lenovo’s actions here." | Sep 24 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwu ] | Sep 24 07:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | I publicly opposed the way FSF treated Matthew at the time, for reason I explained in many articles. I don't view him as a friend of FOSS. | Sep 24 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7882420 | Sep 24 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo #intel & #microsoft are now fighting among each other over who's to blame for blocking #gnu #linux and #unix (they're all complicit) | Sep 24 07:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor" | Sep 24 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | "They are not blocking Linux, it’s worse, they are blocking Free Software." | Sep 24 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | UNIX too | Sep 24 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7876153 | Sep 24 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux "lockout" tangle snarls Lenovo http://boingboing.net/2016/09/21/lenovo-reportedly-has-agreem.html #gnu #linux #vista10 #uefi #microsoft #lenovo | Sep 24 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Linux "lockout" tangle snarls Lenovo / Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/psfmf ] | Sep 24 07:56 | |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m worried about the false narrative implications of this one. Apparently, this was a hybrid attack where UEFI implemented an older style hostile hardware denial of gnu/linux. The apologists are ignoring UEFI to give us the decades old excuse, “Those hobbyists just aren’t in the loop and don’t have the drivers for this one.” That false perception can mask more deliberate attacks in the future if people let their guard down. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | UEFI is Microsoft’s infrastructure to nuke gnu/linux but they can’t do it all at once. They can mess with people even if they no longer run Windows, and even if Windows was never installed, because UEFI is network aware. They can identify gnu/linux users with the same infrastructure Edward Snowden showed us the NSA and Microsoft contractors used to identify “sysadmins”. The two combined give Microsoft the ability to launch denial | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | of service attacks that will be hard to detect. Extra vigilance is called for by anyone who’s trying to run free software on top of UEFI. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Those are the crap models of "Signature" PC on sale. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | You can't do anything with them. Probably clearing stock. Doubt it has anything to do with something I said. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Matthew Garrett jumps to Microsoft and Intel’s defense, how sickening. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft and Intel made this awful UEFI for the sole purpose of controlling what gets booted. Even Garrett admits the implementation does little or nothing for actual security. The implementation did make booting GNU/Linux much harder and make doing so almost pointless. UEFI is a complete, non free OS that can betray the user no matter what software the user “chooses” from the list of allowed operating systems. Microsoft can withdraw | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | their key at anytime, for any reason which will nuke your ability to boot gnu/linux. For people that value their freedom, that might be better than running on top of UEFI. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Given that reality, it beggars imagination that Garrett would say, “Neither interpretation [of Lenovo’s Microsoft Lock Down Agreement] indicates that there’s a deliberate attempt to prevent users from installing their choice of operating system.” He reaches this conclusion by saying the equipment won’t run without good power management, that not many people want to run GNU/Linux anyway, and that, “there are several free | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | operating systems that support UEFI Secure Boot and have appropriate signatures.” Wow, just wow. He’ll probably use the same logic when all hardware is like this shit because nothing reasonable has been made in seven years. Because, Microsoft made installing free software extremely difficult and mostly pointless on such hardware, he can conclude they never intended to block free software. All evidence of success at blocking free | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | software is turned into Microsoft and Intel defense. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | This is a new low for Garrett. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | ' | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | I agree, disturbing to see so many people defending him and FSF giving him an award. He helped popularise UEFI 'secure' boot with shim | Sep 24 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, How did he get the software freedom award in 2013? | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: it profoundly changed Lenovo this past week | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | they hoped for puff "yoga" pieces | Sep 24 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any changes. | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | instead if was all negative publicity everywhere | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | if you look at Google new, the negatives outnumber the positive by a factor of about 7:1 | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I opposed the FSF on this | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I think that's the first time I disagreed with the FSF, and strongly | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | remember he also helped Drama Queen Sarah Sharp | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | and then slagged off GNU/Linux | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | in favour of BSD | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | he calls himself "SJW" and has a flair to that effect in reddit | Sep 24 08:01 |
| r_schestowitz | he uses a lot of bad language and insults | Sep 24 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Do you know anyone else that could write a patch and get it mainlined to kick these fake raid Ultrabooks out of RAID and into AHCI mode after the BIOS exits? | Sep 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that Garrett is....reliable. He might do something, so he can praise himself for it. | Sep 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't care why as long as it worked and made it into the upstream kernel somehow. | Sep 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think the only reason he wrote that patch for the G33M-S Foxconn board was to show that he could do it with two lines of code and then say "See, look. Happens all the time. No sabotage here!". | Sep 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | The problem only took two lines of code to fix once it was known what the problem was, but it was copying undocumented Windows behavior that fixed it. | Sep 24 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | And no telling how many systems had that bugged BIOS (Foxconn makes boards for many vendors). | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | People install Linux, go "Huh....broked." and leave. | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | *broken | Sep 24 08:18 |
| r_schestowitz | agreed | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | but anyway, I don't engage with him directly much | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | he's not a pleasant person | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | he commented many times in techrights | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | reasoning with him is like debating a religious person about "Creation" | Sep 24 08:26 |
| r_schestowitz | you think you make a compelling argument | Sep 24 08:26 |
| r_schestowitz | but the coin never falls in | Sep 24 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/ealexhudson/status/779575398090833920 | Sep 24 08:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 24 08:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I didn't think he was. Usually people who have to resort to calling other people something like "awful humans" aren't. :P | Sep 24 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | Especially over something so silly as gamergate. | Sep 24 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | It was. It was silly. | Sep 24 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think the "game" Depression Quest was possibly the worst thing I've ever spent time reasing about. | Sep 24 08:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @Hamid_446 http://twitter.com/Hamid_446/status/779583986804948992 | Sep 24 08:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines why only 4 toes in gnome? | Sep 24 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I have seen worse than that from him | Sep 24 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Linu kernel fork....lol | Sep 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | *Linux | Sep 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz | can't be bothered to look it up (swear words) | Sep 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | He is a very abusive person. | Sep 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | Typical SJW. | Sep 24 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | me: "Trying to reproduce this on several of my desktops/laptops and Android devices, I have no success. I don't have any iOS/Mac OS X devices. Do we know of any non-Apple platform where these errors appear? Browsershots shows many results for many browsers, but it does not do Macs, either." | Sep 24 09:07 |
| schestowitz | some client having issues with certs only on Apple stuff | Sep 24 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 24 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | Why doesn't Microsoft just implement manual driver overrides so horrible kludges like putting it in fake RAID mode so the generic driver doesn't load aren't necessary? Linux supports this. Why doesn't Windows? | Sep 24 09:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/yan_zlobin/status/779595774199988224 | Sep 24 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 09:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | openSUSE Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer | Sep 24 09:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the GNOME 3.22 Desktop https://t.co/7TguAHFjLz | Sep 24 09:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer the GNOME 3.22 Desktop | Tux Machines | Sep 24 09:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RiCHi/status/779599479108493312 | Sep 24 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RiCHi: @schestowitz thanks for sharing my new @PetriFeed column! For more #ITNP like this: https://t.co/xFmmNwlkBh | Sep 24 09:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in | Sep 24 09:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in ‘Damage Control’ Mode) | Techrights | Sep 24 09:37 | |
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| schestowitz | theguardian puts this in the source of all pages now: | Sep 24 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/779214321725370368 | Sep 24 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @scargill ah bluepill! Maybe one day FrostedOS will run on there... But already with Arduino IDE and USB support it is amazing for the price | Sep 24 10:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @ricare November 15-16, 2016 https://t.co/RFjleDQ1bF | Sep 24 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7883697 | Sep 24 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer the #GNOME 3.22 Desktop http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-tumbleweed-is-the-first-linux-distro-to-offer-the-gnome-3-22-desktop-508600.shtml | Sep 24 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunately, that’s only half of the truth. Because of Bug https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000878 a couple of GNOME 3.22 applications didn’t find the way into tumbleweed at the moment. So, it’s only a half GNOME 3.22 in tumbleweed at the moment." | Sep 24 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | openSUSE Tumbleweed Is the First Stable Distro to Offer the GNOME 3.22 Desktop - Updated | Sep 24 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.opensuse.org | Bug 1000878 – gnome-software was not updated together with GNOME 3.22 in Tumbleweed snapshot | Sep 24 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting, maybe somewhat of a publicity stunt then | Sep 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jjardon/status/778290685921271808 | Sep 24 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjardon: Brilliant @mjg59 talk at @LASGNOME ; I actually started to use Libre software more because I felt "safer" using it https://t.co/azKQQ7OH3w | Sep 24 12:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjardon: Brilliant @mjg59 talk at @LASGNOME ; I actually started to use Libre software more because I felt "safer" using it https://t.co/azKQQ7OH3w | Sep 24 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | daemonfc should see this | Sep 24 12:53 |
| schestowitz | the UEFI apologist | Sep 24 12:53 |
| cubexyz | mjg59 isn't a coreboot developer | Sep 24 13:31 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't put too much stock in what he has to say about coreboot | Sep 24 13:31 |
| Tervy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/23/capcom_street_fighter_v/ | Sep 24 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Double KO! Capcom's Street Fighter V installs hidden rootkit on PCs • The Register | Sep 24 13:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/ptheoiasptk/status/779657647607930880 | Sep 24 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer | Sep 24 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ptheoiasptk the #GNOME 3.22 Desktop https://t.co/I6SQDC0u6E | Sep 24 13:32 |
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| cubexyz | you can ask the coreboot people questions directly via #coreboot | Sep 24 13:32 |
| Tervy | dunno if the link was related to chat but i thought its close enough what comes to bad practices | Sep 24 13:34 |
| cubexyz | of course you can't just slap coreboot on anything | Sep 24 13:35 |
| cubexyz | there's one exception to the chromebook using coreboot... | Sep 24 13:43 |
| cubexyz | the CR48 prototype didn't use coreboot | Sep 24 13:43 |
| cubexyz | and some of the ARM chromebooks use uboot | Sep 24 13:44 |
| cubexyz | so it's far less work to do the chromebook/box thing and use crouton | Sep 24 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Tervy: sony-like baheviour | Sep 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | behaviour | Sep 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's a Japanese thing, rooting people's PCs and having a play on them | Sep 24 13:52 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the DRAM controller itself is under NDA... a bit tricky! | Sep 24 13:55 |
| cubexyz | the poor ol' bestbuy lackey isn't going to know that | Sep 24 13:56 |
| cubexyz | I've set up one machine just for studying coreboot and it's two branches: | Sep 24 13:58 |
| cubexyz | 3rd-party (google) and regular | Sep 24 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zdjnbu/status/779668100560130048 | Sep 24 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zdjnbu: Could #google kill off #twitter like it did with #jaiku and numerous other services? https://t.co/mG8Zh2IEXV | Sep 24 14:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #twitter has nothing but network effect. Buying it is a waste. It's like #microsoft buying #skype - utter failure. https://t.co/1hwtZ1rcWV | Sep 24 14:07 | |
| cubexyz | Ron Minnich is one of coreboot's primary developers... and he was quite happy with google's chromebooks | Sep 24 14:09 |
| cubexyz | you can listen to his talk on linux luddites here: | Sep 24 14:11 |
| cubexyz | https://linuxluddites.com/shows/episode-49/ | Sep 24 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxluddites.com | Episode #49 | Linux Luddites | Sep 24 14:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779670305950339073 | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google tweets that it's 'whipping up something sweet' in | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | honor of Android's birthday https://t.co/EZgjXuoDNq | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.greenbot.com) | Sep 24 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google tweets that it's 'whipping up something sweet' in honor of Android's birthday | Greenbot | Sep 24 14:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779670631357054976 | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Report: Android 7.1 and Pixel Launcher will support 3D | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Touch inspired shortcuts https://t.co/iH35L7jq4v | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Sep 24 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report: Android 7.1 and Pixel Launcher will support 3D Touch inspired shortcuts | PCWorld | Sep 24 14:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779673741123055616 | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 now released in Indonesia | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YEgoVAM77c (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 24 14:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 now released in Indonesia - Tizen Experts | Sep 24 14:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779675989702021120 | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Xiaomi's Android TV box showed up at a Walmart for $69 | Sep 24 14:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/t4QXTCNXrD (www.engadget.com) | Sep 24 14:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Xiaomi's Android TV box showed up at a Walmart for $69 | Sep 24 14:50 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @GasssTn favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779679319996137472 | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | G1, celebrate their 8th birthdays today | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/g58XP2y6xU (www.androidpolice.com) | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile G1, celebrate their 8th birthdays today | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @elbekgt favourited 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 14:51 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/dansker6/status/779680684038316032 | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @dansker6 #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 14:55 | |
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| MinceR | http://prebake.eu/ | Sep 24 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prebake.eu | Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock | Sep 24 15:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/josanneves/status/779685150615539712 | Sep 24 15:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @josanneves #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 15:34 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/saladinahmed/status/728061231786041344 | Sep 24 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saladinahmed: DONALD TRUMP AND TED CRUZ is an anagram of TURD TZAR AND CLONED DUMP | Sep 24 15:44 | |
| MinceR | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k2Jj2dXyZJI/V-LkKfv03_I/AAAAAAAAf0Q/Rkgfj2HOHfY5n9d7hrJIS3EhOeKgocqbgCLcB/s1600/awesome-picture-3.jpg | Sep 24 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | namechange? | Sep 24 15:49 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/dinosaurs | Sep 24 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dinosaurs [ http://ur1.ca/pshvz ] | Sep 24 16:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/779707599423889412 | Sep 24 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz hate speech is part of free speech, no? | Sep 24 16:47 | |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V | Sep 24 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RISC-V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 24 16:47 | |
| schestowitz | There's an asterisk on free speech when politicians use the term, e.g. to berate other countries | Sep 24 16:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-problems | Sep 24 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley Problems | Sep 24 17:06 | |
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| Renard | hope they're planning to create a UI that actually can fit on screens this release | Sep 24 17:16 |
| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ogh-1.jpg | Sep 24 17:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good ones, thanks | Sep 24 17:30 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 24 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Released Late on a Friday, EPO Social 'Study' Attempts to Blame Staff for Everything http://techrights.org/2016/09/24/epo-social-study-late-friday/ … | Sep 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | i reused some text, unusually (for me) | Sep 24 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Released Late on a Friday, EPO Social ‘Study’ (Battistelli-Commissioned Propaganda) Attempts to Blame Staff for Everything | Techrights | Sep 24 17:48 | |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2016/07/14/make-mars-great-again/ | Sep 24 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pidjin.net | Make Mars great again - Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/psi82 ] | Sep 24 17:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734786520645632 | Sep 24 18:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.7.5 https://t.co/KuaZJpo5Qx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 18:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.7.5 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @codethink https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 19:01 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/UChND | Sep 24 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: those videos are mp4s | Sep 24 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I guess mozilla paid mpeg-la for this | Sep 24 19:27 |
| schestowitz | and now tey spread this crap as embedded | Sep 24 19:28 |
| schestowitz | instead of FOSS things like vp9 or ogg | Sep 24 19:28 |
| schestowitz | or even GIF | Sep 24 19:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 24 19:28 |
| MinceR | and the w3c rubberstamped it too | Sep 24 19:28 |
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| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> yes, sad.... and it's treated like business as usual now because even the FOSS browser, Firefox, support it now. and DRM (EME) also, starting with last week's release | Sep 24 19:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> IRC been funky this morning (early) and again now | Sep 24 19:50 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> I think it's the freenode network | Sep 24 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/779756143396519936 | Sep 24 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Expose how top UK Labour Party officials tried to rig the leadership contest https://t.co/5A7F59sxCj #LabourLeaks… https://t.co/EmkjUrzXav | Sep 24 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wikileaks.org/WikiLeaks-offers-award-for-LabourLeaks.html ) | Sep 24 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Expose how top UK Labour Party officials tried to rig the leadership contest https://t.co/5A7F59sxCj #LabourLeaks… https://t.co/EmkjUrzXav | Sep 24 19:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ElinaBeauchamp/status/779755982981177344 https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779756570854830081 | Sep 24 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ElinaBeauchamp: Indeed https://t.co/bisbWePHNk | Sep 24 19:59 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #labourpurge is a lot like what #dncleaks proved https://t.co/8Dz5iNTHPJ | Sep 24 19:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: @schestowitz @BLongStPaul @DrJillStein @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump who are you for prez? | Sep 24 19:59 | |
| schestowitz | Can vote in the US... | Sep 24 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Cannot vote in the US... | Sep 24 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779758291727429632 | Sep 24 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: Who do you support for Prez? https://t.co/0vtFRrW2Pp | Sep 24 20:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @AmyLoveanpeace @BLongStPaul @DrJillStein @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump Cannot vote in the US... | Sep 24 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | Greens | Sep 24 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779760967659814913 | Sep 24 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: Feel the jill!:) https://t.co/MSxBuIrXRf | Sep 24 20:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @AmyLoveanpeace Greens | Sep 24 20:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | I posted that in response to another Reddit post bashing Richard Stallman for "refusing to let Libreboot go". | Sep 24 21:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/ppgaVgFwQt | Sep 24 21:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.7.5 https://t.co/Ll62NtQpzj (lwn.net) Linux | Sep 24 21:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Libreboot Drama Continues, GNU Might Keep The Project | Sep 24 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/69O7p4aP84 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 24 21:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland 1.13 Is Open For Development | Sep 24 22:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Heroine's Quest: The Herald of Ragnarok is coming to | Sep 24 22:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, developer looking for testers | Sep 24 22:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Heroine's Quest: The Herald of Ragnarok is coming to Linux, developer looking for testers | GamingOnLinux | Sep 24 22:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks | Sep 24 22:19 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I imagined you'd be more sympathetic to Leah | Sep 24 22:20 |
| r_schestowitz | as you're gay | Sep 24 22:20 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Libreboot-Drama-Continues | Sep 24 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Libreboot Drama Continues, GNU Might Keep The Project - Phoronix | Sep 24 22:21 | |
| DaemonFC | It has nothing to do with the project, it's speculation and presumption of guilt, and it goes against pretty much every statement that RMS has made publicly. | Sep 24 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be sympathetic if it was much more believable. | Sep 24 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that the bbuck stopped with RMS regarding the firing decision and there was probably a good reason for it, and there are lots of reasons that they might not want to talk about it. | Sep 24 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Potential EEOC lawsuit or something. The first advice any good lawyer will give the client is shut up in case this goes to court later. | Sep 24 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779789795644084224 | Sep 24 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/ppgaVgFwQt | Sep 24 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 22:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 24 22:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/ppgaVgFwQt' | Sep 24 22:26 | |
| DaemonFC | Also, they're in Massachusetts so there's likeely potential for a state civil rights complaint too. | Sep 24 22:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I knew pregnancy could be a huge liability in situations like these | Sep 24 22:27 |
| r_schestowitz | there's a whole movie based on that concept | Sep 24 22:28 |
| r_schestowitz | of a woman faking being pregnant to avoid getting fired | Sep 24 22:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I forget the name of it | Sep 24 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | Really a lot of the time a person gets fired and files a civil rights complaint it's just because it's an easy way to get revenge on their former employer. | Sep 24 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's one of the most abused area of employment law. | Sep 24 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Yeah. It happened to Chipotle. | Sep 24 22:29 |
| r_schestowitz | it's a good think we don't plan to have kids | Sep 24 22:29 |
| r_schestowitz | I think my employer (also hers) is happier that way | Sep 24 22:30 |
| r_schestowitz | some people view it as an advantage, but it can be a liability | Sep 24 22:30 |
| r_schestowitz | being LGBT or pregnant | Sep 24 22:30 |
| r_schestowitz | as it can discourage hiring and keeping in some circumstances, the perception of risk (like paid leave or lawsuit) | Sep 24 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | or garden leave in some other cases | Sep 24 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | BTW, freenode is under ddos | Sep 24 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | so might not be reliable this evening | Sep 24 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54by6w/leah_rowe_drama_queen_pretending_there_is/ | Sep 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | I posted a thread about this. The appalling lack off professionalism by people such as Leah Rowe is one of the reasons why companies don't want to partner with Free Software projects, I'm sure. You get poisonous SJWs in a lot of high places, and their histrionics are a poor advertisement for the Free Software movement. | Sep 24 22:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Leah Rowe = drama queen. Pretending there is consensus among Libreboot developers with the word "we" and abusing project website. : linux [ http://ur1.ca/psj7g ] | Sep 24 22:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | To some extent, they get away with it because they are qualified to work on that level, but nobody likes them. | Sep 24 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/545fip/dont_expect_an_opensource_nvidia_vulkan_driver/d7zltt6 | Sep 24 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BaronHK comments on Don't Expect An Open-Source NVIDIA Vulkan Driver Anytime Soon [ http://ur1.ca/psj8e ] | Sep 24 22:40 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point 3 minutes ago* | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | You haven't had Nvidia's proprietary driver crash your system that you know of. I'm sure you're an expert at tracing errors back to the component that caused them... | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Almost every Linux distribution disables kernel debugging and won't let you file bug reports if you have Nvidia loaded because systems with proprietary graphics drivers crash way more than systems without them and developers are sick of wasting time finding out it's our friend the Nvidia driver again and that there is no way to fix it. | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Since the X.org server is tainted as well, and it handles keyboard input, the Nvidia driver turned out to be why my keyboard would stop working occasionally while I had Nvidia loaded. Finally I just got rid of Nvidia because I was tired of it causing seemingly random problems throughout my OS. | Sep 24 22:43 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: what about ati (especially with their nonfree driver)? | Sep 24 23:02 |
| MinceR | free software wasn't infested with crybullies until recently | Sep 24 23:03 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/54cbss/lenovo_deleted_a_link_to_a_petition_to_the/ | Sep 24 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | I also linked to the petition in all of my Lenovo posts | Sep 24 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | sarbin | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Community SuperMod | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | sarbin | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Posts: 4,489 | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Registered: 06-26-2008 | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Location: US | Sep 24 23:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Options | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | 09-24-2016 08:49 AM - edited 09-24-2016 08:50 AM | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Moderator comment: A Post which did not conform with the Community Rules has been removed. No campaigning. | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | SCSI Port | Sep 24 23:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Posts: 72 | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Registered: 09-07-2016 | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Location: US | Sep 24 23:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mode for missing hard drive on linux install [ Edited ] | Sep 24 23:09 |
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| DaemonFC | 09-24-2016 03:01 PM - edited 09-24-2016 03:08 PM | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm assuming you are talking about the petition to Lenovo to quit blocking Linux in the BIOS. | Sep 24 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 24 23:10 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo doesn't want another embarrassment if the petition takes off, I'm sure. | Sep 24 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 24 23:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I went ahead and added a link to all of my Reddit posts about Lenovo and made a new Reddit post about the petition. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and have a nice day. | Sep 24 23:10 |
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| DaemonFC | https://twitter.com/ZomgPinkPonies/status/779806760378871808 | Sep 24 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZomgPinkPonies: #Lenovo: Demand that Lenovo provide Bios update to enable Linux Installation - Sign the Petition! https://t.co/WfFj6sNKd3 via @Change | Sep 24 23:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Search · Change.org | Sep 24 23:17 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.net | 18 People Who Are Absolutely, 100% Done With 2016 – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 24 23:25 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777380079135514625 | Sep 18 10:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" https://t.co/LygsgTWvdX | Sep 18 10:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slackel.gr | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" - .:Slackel - Hellenic Linux Distribution::. | Sep 18 10:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777404351631372288 | Sep 18 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" https://t.co/szg99ZMaI2 | Sep 18 10:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackel 6.0.7 "Live Openbox" | Tux Machines | Sep 18 10:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kizamazuki/status/777412787572203520 | Sep 18 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kizamazuki: @schestowitz what else could it be? | Sep 18 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/777419119629049856 | Sep 18 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: "Britain’s forces are not configured for defence. They are configured for attack." https://t.co/eE4mUlmyWh | Sep 18 11:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk population controlled and outrageous waste on #trident justified using fictional threats and fear https://t.co/0SAn93zCXa | Sep 18 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rdnzl25/status/777421183335686144 | Sep 18 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rdnzl25: @schestowitz Given that it's an incident involving 2 explosive devices designed to kill & maim, it's not exactly a wild idea, is it? | Sep 18 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/6ixRole/status/777450362429173762 | Sep 18 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@6ixRole: No Blind + Smalling & Fellaini = Crap build up play = Pogba dropping deep + Rooney being a traffic cone = no link from midfield to attack. | Sep 18 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/777459069762334720 | Sep 18 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rbanffy: @schestowitz the MaaS360 name is extremely disconcerting. I worked on Canonical's MAAS product... | Sep 18 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | We used it to distribute desktop OSes for a large client | Sep 18 11:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777460603338186752 | Sep 18 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz it's more important than that. It tells CIOs (often fmr accountants) not to bother their pretty little heads over the details. | Sep 18 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | yes, I've been arguing this for years. Vendor lock-in, customer data protection, etc. | Sep 18 11:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777462170023976960 | Sep 18 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz The software-defined data centre is the latest shell game. | Sep 18 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | and AT&T is diving in... in a very big way, which given their history with the NSA gives reasons for concern. | Sep 18 12:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/natecochrane/status/777465641942986752 | Sep 18 12:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@natecochrane: @schestowitz I tagged a Verizon rep on this issue once. @WashAuthor has much to say on AT&T collaboration with spooks. | Sep 18 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777457483229036544 | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Powered by Android’ https://t.co/b6FGKEuyeo | Sep 18 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (9to5google.com) | Sep 18 12:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks ‘Powered by Android’ | 9to5Google | Sep 18 12:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777464782555320320 | Sep 18 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fdj6GKSYdL (www.ubuntubuzz.com) | Sep 18 12:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Sep 18 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777470811049431040 | Sep 18 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz What do you mean? Our (open) core is open source! And although 'core' sounds tiny it is probably >80% of our stack. | Sep 18 12:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777471577692708865 | Sep 18 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Still not sure I understand. Probably you should have a look into our open source projects. They are completely useable w/o us. | Sep 18 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777471898951225344 | Sep 18 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz See also https://t.co/VuwiAhdIVe | Sep 18 12:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777472291106062336 | Sep 18 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Many companies say they are open source companies whereas they are just open core (with a small core) & we are honest abt this | Sep 18 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | I call out those other companies too | Sep 18 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777473028158521345 | Sep 18 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz But to be honest: you still haven't explained your complain to me in our case :) | Sep 18 12:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/timetabling/status/777473609556197376 | Sep 18 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timetabling: @schestowitz Plus: show me a 100% open source company ;) | Sep 18 12:47 | |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is almost that | Sep 18 12:47 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/52x69s/why_is_linux_not_more_popular_than_it_is/\ | Sep 18 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why is Linux not more popular than it is? : linux | Sep 18 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/536dpm/what_do_i_give_up_by_running_a_lite_version_of/ | Sep 18 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | What do I give up by running a "lite" version of Linux? : linux | Sep 18 13:18 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | The hunt for the perfect CentOS theme | Sep 18 13:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | “experience with KMail is a good experience, and I think | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | I won’t need to go back to Thunderbird” | Sep 18 13:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483420343541761 | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks | Sep 18 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ‘Powered by Android’ https://t.co/2S9nMqUtJP | Sep 18 13:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung forgets about Chrome OS, advertises Chromebooks ‘Powered by Android’ | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777484808888934405 | Sep 18 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: me too, Roy! https://t.co/kmPROYueQe | Sep 18 13:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I have tried many text editors over the years (dozens). I always come back to #kate (with GUI) and #nano (without GUI/ncurses). #freesw | Sep 18 13:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Review: elementary OS 0.4 Loki | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777483422767820804 | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS https://t.co/bQzmIvmYgN | Sep 18 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Igor Ljubuncic Explores CentOS | Tux Machines | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777490229414494208 | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux | Sep 18 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jGYrUMHyVs (www.techdrivein.com) | Sep 18 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdrivein.com | Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux | Sep 18 13:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @taskwarrior favourited 'Taskwarrior: A Brilliant Command-Line TODO App for Linux...' | Sep 18 14:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777493804182036481 | Sep 18 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Elementary OS 0.4 (Overview) https://t.co/rF50JHC7bm | Sep 18 14:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | New release: Semi-Automatic OS v. 5 | Sep 18 15:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/WGhVrzQR5W (fromgistors.blogspot.com) | Sep 18 15:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fromgistors.blogspot.com | From GIS to Remote Sensing: New release: Semi-Automatic OS v. 5 | Sep 18 15:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777504074530971648 | Sep 18 15:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Plasma Lock Screen https://t.co/PFiXnP5lt6 | Sep 18 15:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | OpenWeatherMapProvider for CyanogenMod 13 | Sep 18 15:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MRkhVnT6ef (matej.ceplovi.cz) | Sep 18 15:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520146994913281 | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Debian’s GTK-3+ v3.21 breaks Debian MATE 1.14, Gtk3 is | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | breaking apps all around." https://t.co/dCr9ttxus8 | Sep 18 15:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520483566780416 | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung's high-end Android clamshell appears in live | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | images https://t.co/yK0mUMQ7wJ (www.phonearena.com) | Sep 18 15:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Samsung's high-end Android clamshell appears in live images | Sep 18 15:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777520946311823360 | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 (SM-Z200F) Certified in Indonesia, likely | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launching soon https://t.co/dJNGiN3ayf | Sep 18 15:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 18 15:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 (SM-Z200F) Certified in Indonesia, likely Launching soon - Tizen Experts | Sep 18 15:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777521202042732546 | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A WebKit Update for Ubuntu https://t.co/Bf103sZwpo | Sep 18 16:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777522130766266368 | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hyperledger and the Linux Foundation Opens Doors to the | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Public Blockchain Space https://t.co/gkxGDDsIL4 | Sep 18 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.cryptocoinsnews.com) | Sep 18 16:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cryptocoinsnews.com | Hyperledger and the Linux Foundation Opens Doors to the Public Blockchain Space - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News | Sep 18 16:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777522314250489856 | Sep 18 16:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME Games 3.22: the Giant Leap https://t.co/gTrScaeVvT | Sep 18 16:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bytesgnomeschozo.blogspot.com | Bytes, Gnomes & Chozo: GNOME Games 3.22: the Giant Leap | Sep 18 16:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/777527583101612035 | Sep 18 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: #copymafia RT @schestowitz #Elsevier Wants #CloudFlare to Expose Pirate Sites https://t.co/cKyTjwyij2 Had there been no CF.... then... | Sep 18 16:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Elsevier Wants CloudFlare to Expose Pirate Sites - TorrentFreak | Sep 18 16:21 | |
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| XRevan86 | > Debian’s GTK-3+ v3.21 breaks Debian MATE 1.14, Gtk3 is breaking apps all around | Sep 18 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | At least here it's not that much of a Gtk3 problem. | Sep 18 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | because Gtk 3.21 is not a released version | Sep 18 16:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777523637003902977 | Sep 18 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If you swap the term with "ticket to high pay employment" ("higher education" [sic]), the injustice is made clearer https://t.co/enqnHs2TFP | Sep 18 17:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrJillStein: RT if you agree that higher education is a right, not a privilege. The #PowerToThePeoplePlan cancels student debt: https://t.co/ZzlV2eplcW | Sep 18 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777522772763373568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777522583772225536 | Sep 18 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Note7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket https://t.co/a35q3eFk6Y reading a script from the lawyers? | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidpolice.com | [Video] President of Samsung US apologizes for Note7 recall | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Note7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket https://t.co/bUZ278Zwzo | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidcentral.com | Note 7 owner sues Samsung, saying phone exploded in his pocket | Android Central | Sep 18 17:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777535813898866692 | Sep 18 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Sep 18 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T6nzUfUQjt (techrights.org) | Sep 18 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 18 18:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Techrights | Sep 18 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/katiecannon2/status/777547332107771904 | Sep 18 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@katiecannon2: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Not to mention education necessary for thriving democracy. | Sep 18 18:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/777555341051568128 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 18/9/2016: Emacs 25.1, Slackel 6.0.7 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/T6nzUfUQjt (techrights.org) | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560306415382528 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Slackware Updates https://t.co/kmLrII23Ks | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware Updates | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560307476475904 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/Rm3HcKoTFx | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560308487368704 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/9JMChuyqnt | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560309821091840 | Sep 18 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/OiZ4kfGCN1 | Sep 18 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 18 18:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777560310865461248 | Sep 18 21:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/f7fS227Icp | Sep 18 21:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 18 21:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/slackolinux/status/777574660762324992 | Sep 18 21:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Slackware Updates https://t.co/kmLrII23Ks | Sep 18 21:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @slackolinux (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 18 21:12 |
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| cubexyz | new vim version 8.0: | Sep 18 21:55 |
| cubexyz | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vim/vim/master/runtime/doc/version8.txt | Sep 18 21:55 |
| cubexyz | on FC1 I used vim 6.4 :) | Sep 18 21:56 |
| cubexyz | got to say I'm not too excited about the "MS-Windows DirectX support" | Sep 18 21:59 |
| cubexyz | there's even an Amiga version 8.0 | Sep 18 22:00 |
| cubexyz | there's an interesting history to vi | Sep 18 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777609144916406272 | Sep 18 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Recently in Techrights https://t.co/v5jR4hmTDb | Sep 18 22:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 18 22:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Recently in Techrights https://t.co/v5jR4hmTDb' | Sep 18 22:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777613922262102016 | Sep 18 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Recently in Techrights https://t.co/QkdnhEzn90 | Sep 18 22:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 18 22:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Recently in Techrights https://t.co/QkdnhEzn90' | Sep 18 22:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777617238169939968 | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Remember The Milk Now Has an Official Linux App | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GnxSqMQlEm (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 18 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Remember The Milk Now Has an Official Linux App - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 18 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777623740628738048 | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-x86 6.0 Marshmallow Uses Mesa 12.0, Adds F2FS | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | File-System https://t.co/ZrVh7kYPE7 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 18 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android-x86 6.0 Marshmallow Uses Mesa 12.0, Adds F2FS File-System - Phoronix | Sep 18 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777625989610340352 | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Media Player Indicator Is A Slick Sound Menu for #GNOME | Sep 18 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shell https://t.co/XGY8qXnOL2 (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 18 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Media Player Indicator Is A Slick Sound Menu for GNOME Shell - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 18 22:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone keeps reverting my edits about Cortana on the Windows 10 article. So I rephrased it and added an entry about disabling Cortana completely. | Sep 18 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows 10 "Redstone", Cortana ignores the user's default web browser and search engine and only opens web searches with Microsoft Edge and Bing. Microsoft claims that this is necessary to prevent a "compromised experience that is less reliable and predictable".[134] Users had previously been using their preferred search engine by installing Chrome extensions like bing2google[135], and Firefox had been redirecting Cortana searches to the | Sep 18 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | user's default search engine.[136] Nevertheless, another workaround was devised following the "Redstone" release, which restores the ability to direct Cortana searches to the user's preferred browser and search engine, by way of an open source utility called SearchWithMyBrowser that hooks into the "microsoft-edge:" protocol and opens anything that calls it in the user's preferred browser.[137][138] | Sep 18 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 "Redstone" removes the setting to turn off Cortana that was previously in the Cortana settings menu. However, users can still disable Cortana by using the Group Policy Editor or a registry setting.[139] | Sep 18 23:31 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 19 08:05 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095259/browsers/confirmed-only-microsoft-edge-will-play-netflix-content-at-1080p-on-your-pc.html | Sep 19 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Confirmed: Only Microsoft Edge will play Netflix content at 1080p on your PC | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/pla3y ] | Sep 19 09:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777750576037785600 | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Officially Released, Brings | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | over 90 Security Fixes https://t.co/Pw943hdPr9 | Sep 19 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Officially Released, Brings over 90 Security Fixes | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777750936911548416 | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Why real hackers prefer Linux over Windows and Mac | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/4BhBl537VL (www.techworm.net) | Sep 19 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworm.net | Why real hackers prefer Linux over Windows and Mac » TechWorm | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777751253933756416 | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Avidemux 2.6.14 Open-Source Video Editor Supports | Sep 19 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lagarith Lossless Video Codec https://t.co/A31tyjZ9gc | Sep 19 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Avidemux 2.6.14 Open-Source Video Editor Supports Lagarith Lossless Video Codec | Sep 19 09:11 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'GTK+ Now Shows Activate Menu in VirtualBox, Requires...' | Sep 19 09:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777786441317449728 | Sep 19 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by GTK+ Now Shows Activate Menu in VirtualBox, Requires | Sep 19 09:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI XDG-Shell 6 for Wayland https://t.co/X8BAS5RLY7 | Sep 19 09:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GTK+ Now Shows Activate Menu in VirtualBox, Requires XDG-Shell 6 for Wayland | Sep 19 09:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Chapeau 24 "Cancellara" Linux Distro to Be Based...' | Sep 19 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777786501442646016 | Sep 19 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Chapeau 24 "Cancellara" Linux Distro to Be Based on | Sep 19 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI Fedora 24, Linux Kernel 4.7 https://t.co/lR7x8RKN8p | Sep 19 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Chapeau 24 "Cancellara" Linux Distro to Be Based on Fedora 24, Linux Kernel 4.7 | Sep 19 09:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite...' | Sep 19 09:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777786578420822016 | Sep 19 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 3.0 | Sep 19 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @CharlesNSALAMBI https://t.co/TavNt4HxmV (www.everydaylinuxuser.com) | Sep 19 09:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 3.0 « Everyday Linux User | Sep 19 09:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DamonRobins/status/777795382130552832 | Sep 19 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DamonRobins: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Mr. Trump's plan is to allow them to bring their money back in to the country with a flat 10% tax on it. | Sep 19 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/STFUnwo/status/777799585683169280 https://twitter.com/STFUnwo/status/777799941448208384 | Sep 19 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@STFUnwo: @schestowitz @DrJillStein I've been meeting witheld pro #gmo crowd. @ETtuCarl. They're fucked. Carl drop some knowledge. You're good at that | Sep 19 10:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@STFUnwo: @TakeThatGMOs @schestowitz @DrJillStein I'll help you with sources. & examples of misconduct. | Sep 19 10:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/CharlesNSALAMBI/status/777788707109765120 | Sep 19 10:23 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/5PTxAYAWTA' | Sep 19 11:17 | |
| schestowitz | [07:06] <MarkBilk_> The ban is simply to maintain quality. pornhub has malware scams and youporn looks pretty boring. xvideos.com is much better. | Sep 19 11:47 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 19 11:47 |
| schestowitz | [07:03] <MarkBilk_> <MinceR> i wonder how putin's fanboys will whitewash this one | Sep 19 11:47 |
| schestowitz | so said Steve Jobs | Sep 19 11:48 |
| schestowitz | censorship in the guise of "quality" | Sep 19 11:48 |
| schestowitz | because "the children!" | Sep 19 11:48 |
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| XRevan86 | Distribution of pornography is illegal in Russian Federation. | Sep 19 11:53 |
| XRevan86 | Quality is not the matter here. | Sep 19 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777822281259159552 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? https://t.co/bIfIudkT1h | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824826169917441 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | should come to Linux soon https://t.co/5DiFE5KXos | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter should come to Linux soon | GamingOnLinux | Sep 19 12:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824863125852160 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Overcoming language and distance barriers in open source | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | projects https://t.co/GBUtDe7RX4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Overcoming language and distance barriers in open source projects | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824864463785988 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A beginner's bumpy journey to find a few good bugs | Sep 19 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A beginner's bumpy journey to find a few good bugs | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/777824928385097728 | Sep 19 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz someone once defined a gentleman as someone who 1) holds doors open for ladies and 2) doesn't pay his tailor. ;) | Sep 19 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | Haha, good one | Sep 19 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777824865487163392 | Sep 19 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ayoub Elyasir: How Do You Fedora? https://t.co/o6H9tws4O9 | Sep 19 12:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 19 12:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Devil Daggers, a very highly rated fast-paced shooter...' | Sep 19 12:06 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/QvA8nygnS7' | Sep 19 12:18 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 19 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RamyYaacoub/status/777901545526554628 | Sep 19 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamyYaacoub: Blackmail... https://t.co/Ne0qs3KoqZ | Sep 19 17:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Egypt threatens to let hundreds of thousands of migrants into #EU as row with #Italy erupts https://t.co/eDaDhUxXAG | Sep 19 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatch/status/777903080197222400 | Sep 19 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatch: @schestowitz Fair enuf, your alert readership on IP issues is appreciated. But on Swiss thing, it was just interesting on eve of WIPO talks | Sep 19 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | Sorry for my seemingly strongly-worded remark. It's probably coming across as ruder as I intended in text-only form. | Sep 19 17:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatch/status/777906560509026305 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatch: @schestowitz understood. We're just sensitive as we highly value our independent position on all issues as much as possible... | Sep 19 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | I'll be more careful with my words in the future | Sep 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777906982502207488 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz it's true that if the system worked, there would be no need of this. But the system does not work and won't work for decades | Sep 19 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | It's starting to improve with Section 101 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777907184353079296 | Sep 19 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz it's the same as complaining about humans not being able to communicate if they're far away. You can complain forever... | Sep 19 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | Different issue altogether | Sep 19 17:29 |
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| antilope | dear mr. Schestowitz.. | Sep 19 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/licuende/status/777907551207849984 | Sep 19 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@licuende: @schestowitz ...about the human beings and wait millions of years for evolution to give us telepathy, or you can invent the Internet | Sep 19 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | antilope: hi | Sep 19 17:31 |
| schestowitz | antilope: what's up? | Sep 19 17:32 |
| antilope | I like to read your news on the EPO! I am an examiner | Sep 19 17:32 |
| antilope | many of follow your sire (at home..) | Sep 19 17:33 |
| antilope | site | Sep 19 17:33 |
| antilope | is there a topic on which you are really interested for info? I mean patent wise, not those subjects like Topic, Bergot etc... | Sep 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | thanks, let me think | Sep 19 17:36 |
| antilope | I for example got a list with EP grants that are not new .... where the search work was soooo apalling you can hardly believe it | Sep 19 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I think patent scope (what I covered before the BB scandals) is importanyt | Sep 19 17:37 |
| antilope | because that is the latest develoment, Munich style searches become standard... | Sep 19 17:37 |
| antilope | aha that is interesting indeed | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I lack information about the stocks and the nature of patents, e.g. software | Sep 19 17:38 |
| antilope | aha for us quite easy to find in the overall workload system | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | EPO promotes software patents in Twitter a lot this month, much to our shock (FFII also) | Sep 19 17:38 |
| schestowitz | they call it "computer-implemented" usually | Sep 19 17:39 |
| schestowitz | or CII | Sep 19 17:39 |
| antilope | our guess is, within 2 to 3 years we are out of stock (also for examination) and than the big question is what next with us examiners | Sep 19 17:39 |
| antilope | I also sometimes grant controllers, but it is in mz case always linked to an apparatus (a control for ...) | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Worry for examiners, yes | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | i worry about all those patents that sneaked in and are of low quality | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | including patents on plants, algorithms, etc. | Sep 19 17:40 |
| schestowitz | the apparatus thing is the loophole of Brimelow | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | the "as such" thing, which means say it's connected to a "device" or "apparatus" to make it look not abstract | Sep 19 17:41 |
| antilope | there are plenty bad grants, but it is now getting an epidemia | Sep 19 17:41 |
| schestowitz | EPO (in Twitter) not actually advertises these loopholes, it helps applicants get around the rules to increase "productivity" I suppose, or "production" | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | any information related to this would be handy | Sep 19 17:42 |
| antilope | the question is, are patents a goal or just a means | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | without patent numbers as that can reveal identity of examiners assigned these | Sep 19 17:42 |
| antilope | I will think a bit for you and keep you updated under this name | Sep 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | antilope: Battistelli studied in ENA | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't think he even knows what patent systems are for | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | INPI wasn't just for patents | Sep 19 17:43 |
| schestowitz | also trademarks, like that Wine branding thing of oligarchs in France | Sep 19 17:43 |
| antilope | we all know this, in our opinion he is not the worst but that is minnoye | Sep 19 17:43 |
| antilope | he is the real kind slayer, the one who makes the big damage to the EPO | Sep 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't know enough about him, except that old ILO appeal where he's mentioned | Sep 19 17:44 |
| antilope | CPC is killing us | Sep 19 17:44 |
| antilope | king slayer | Sep 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | what's CPC, pardon? | Sep 19 17:44 |
| antilope | the classification project with the US | Sep 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I think that the EPO wants to attract mirrored applications at the EPO | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | so that all those patent trolls can get a patent extended to the EPO | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | with or without the UPC | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | and then troll European companies, too | Sep 19 17:45 |
| antilope | basically, a lot of the "production increases" got paid by putting less man hours in the classification activities | Sep 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | this would hurt a lot more than just examiners, also Birtish companies here that deal with software | Sep 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | so it's not production, it's grant | Sep 19 17:46 |
| antilope | we say; He who controls the classification in fact controls the patent quality | Sep 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | production as measured in grants, not hours put in | Sep 19 17:46 |
| antilope | yes, believe me, this year 2016 will see an enormous rise in grants, sure for me (I guess it will be like 30 % up) | Sep 19 17:47 |
| antilope | we now (as today) grant a lot of stuff that was 10 - 15 years ready on the shelves | Sep 19 17:47 |
| antilope | my oldest one in the docket has a prority date from 1997...curious what will happen after we pass that day | Sep 19 17:48 |
| antilope | meanwhile we neglect collectively the classification system, no maintenance, no new development, no one feeld responsible anymore | Sep 19 17:49 |
| schestowitz | hmmm. | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | . | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | 1997... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Romario and Ronaldo... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Probably retiring by then.. | Sep 19 17:50 |
| antilope | of course, meanwhile a lot of window dressing is going on, it is incredible the production goes up sky high and the quality also... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Hanson hitting the pop charts... | Sep 19 17:50 |
| antilope | yes, I had to wipe some dust from the yellowed file folders... | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | IAM says quality is great | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | BB says IAM is great | Sep 19 17:51 |
| antilope | seeing is believing, why not pay a visit to us one day | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | FTI Consulting pays IAM and all... | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's more like a party with a high budget | Sep 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Managing IP appears to have joined | Sep 19 17:51 |
| antilope | IAM is in our opinion not important at al, that is only our own specialist peer group (per technical field) | Sep 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | kicking off the post-vacation period with UPC proponents getting a platform | Sep 19 17:52 |
| antilope | the next funny event to come is 14 Oct. a social conference one day before AC meeting | Sep 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Have these issues been raised to politicians? | Sep 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | The social issues typically take up all the iota | Sep 19 17:52 |
| antilope | no of course not, what do they know?? | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | they barely understand what patents are | Sep 19 17:53 |
| antilope | I agree | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | unless you say something like "innovation" or "R&D" | Sep 19 17:53 |
| antilope | it is sometimes.... | Sep 19 17:53 |
| antilope | but usually not | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | is the social conference really a conference? | Sep 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like something to be organised for media impact? | Sep 19 17:54 |
| antilope | it will go from top to root... | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Social study became "conference" some months back | Sep 19 17:54 |
| antilope | it will be sold as a success | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I need to undermine these lies about the social situation | Sep 19 17:54 |
| antilope | and only the "recognized" union ie. FFPE is invited (SUEPO of course not) | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | but they have a high-budgeted FTI Consulting contracts | Sep 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | and I know some journalists whose bosses tell them to repeat the EPO's "news" du jour, as per the press releases | Sep 19 17:55 |
| antilope | it is in a way a media war | Sep 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | FFPE is dead credibility-wise | Sep 19 17:55 |
| antilope | of course they are | Sep 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | any journalists who chararcterise them as representatives of staff would be viewed as clueless, corrupt, or useful idiots | Sep 19 17:55 |
| antilope | I agree | Sep 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | yes, there's a media struggle | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | SZ are now trying to prove they're not silenced | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | but it's too little, too latee | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | There's infighting there | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | and money at stake | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | EPO gave additional 220 ish thousand Euros to pollute Dutch and German media | Sep 19 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777897914580492288 | Sep 19 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | More Intel DRM Changes For Linux 4.9, Including DMA-BUF | Sep 19 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Implicit Fencing https://t.co/taZWC6LmUk | Sep 19 17:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-More Intel DRM Changes For Linux 4.9, Including DMA-BUF Implicit Fencing - Phoronix | Sep 19 17:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914351147638784 | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Revisited: Linux Mint 18 "Sarah" KDE + Xfce | Sep 19 17:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Revisited: Linux Mint 18 "Sarah" KDE + Xfce | Tux Machines | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | If anyone could find out for me how it's distribute, that would help | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914352871411712 | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Epiphany 3.22 (and a couple new stable releases too!) | Sep 19 17:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Epiphany 3.22 (and a couple new stable releases too!) | Tux Machines | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | I used to write about how Microsoft did it | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777914354125594625 | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Store to Support More Countries for Samsung Z2 | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launch https://t.co/J8zmTnLFvP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. giving 'free' laptops to bloggers | Sep 19 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Store to Support More Countries for Samsung Z2 Launch | Tux Machines | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| antilope | let me explain. for most EPO issue money is not really a problem , but just a means | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | in exchange for - ahem - 'fair' coverage ahead of releases | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | it's a problem when this money corrupts the media | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | and then the public is being sold -literally- a lie | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | it will happen next month | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | "EPO staff is happy about reforms" etc. | Sep 19 17:58 |
| antilope | for us, it is the whole set up with this weak AC on top of the water head that is the problem | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | They already paid some big papers, inc. The Financial Times of London | Sep 19 17:58 |
| antilope | plus that seriously not a single politician is interested | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | business people read these, they don't bother with blogs or suepo.org | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | politicians can't help | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | 1. because epo is non-eu body | Sep 19 17:59 |
| antilope | suepo, of which I am not a memer, is quite moderate in the last years | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | 2. there's nothing for them to gain, unless it's a french opposition (to sarkozy) party | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | we need more leaks from the EPO | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | like E-mails that show how the system got 'cooked' to increase grants | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | that would harm those who plotted this course | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Grant Philpott shat himself when I did this and I got nasty letters | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | one day I'll rerelease that | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | the main question is, antilope, what to show for maximal impact | Sep 19 18:02 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they say things they really shouldn't be saying | Sep 19 18:02 |
| schestowitz | and once seen from the outside they need to own up to it | Sep 19 18:02 |
| antilope | I do not want to harm, but what we need is a transparant system without secret working contracts, without paid coverage, and without badly searched appliations | Sep 19 18:02 |
| antilope | by the way, all of us love your Topic coverage!! | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | that would work, but they won't do that out of goodwill | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | you need to impose transparency | Sep 19 18:03 |
| antilope | I sat with him, what a complete ........ | Sep 19 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Topic I haven't heard about in a while, I wonder what happened in Zagreb this summer | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I heard there used to be photos of him in suepo forums | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | in his Merc | Sep 19 18:04 |
| antilope | As I cannot be sure it is really you, as you cannot be sure it is really antilope, I have to keep a bit vague | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | which he claims to have bought from SIPO or whatever | Sep 19 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Is it true some of your folks call him "Putin", still? | Sep 19 18:05 |
| antilope | I do not know | Sep 19 18:05 |
| schestowitz | An article in German said so around 2014 or 2013 | Sep 19 18:05 |
| antilope | I think the poor man has no balls | Sep 19 18:05 |
| antilope | Putin has | Sep 19 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I wll publish something about the IU tomorrow | Sep 19 18:06 |
| antilope | well, you did not read on your latest "security" communique...? | Sep 19 18:07 |
| antilope | Oh we get scanners... | Sep 19 18:07 |
| antilope | and more useless stuff | Sep 19 18:07 |
| schestowitz | body scanners (or for bags) I heard about | Sep 19 18:07 |
| antilope | for bags | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Unless there's something more recent | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I leaked some internal comms about it at the time | Sep 19 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I can link to it as "old news", I need new material if this has escalated since that iranian bloke went on a shooting spree in Munich | Sep 19 18:08 |
| antilope | no no no-one is really interested in the EPO, believe me, you can shoot a cannon and only a few will wake up | Sep 19 18:09 |
| antilope | 20 million for the reward package...a shitty deal for us | Sep 19 18:10 |
| antilope | we are being separated in the Have's and Have-nots | Sep 19 18:10 |
| schestowitz | what's this package? | Sep 19 18:11 |
| schestowitz | A collective award to staff? | Sep 19 18:11 |
| schestowitz | to be split among them? | Sep 19 18:11 |
| antilope | Of course, last 2015 all directors and principal directors got heavily rewarded...but the examiners not | Sep 19 18:12 |
| antilope | yes 9 million for pensionable awards like salary step increases, and the rest for 2 types of bonuses and one-off rewards | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | they increased "production" | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | by planning a s***y system | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | where the priority is to empty the shelves, not properly separate the wheat from the chaff | Sep 19 18:13 |
| antilope | no they did nothing, it was the examiners and the administrative staff, you should have seen the huge piles with grants it was incredible | Sep 19 18:13 |
| schestowitz | another USPTO in the making | Sep 19 18:14 |
| antilope | I mean piles to the ceiling, earlier this year | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | applicants were probably happy | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | until later on, when they find out EPs are losing value | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and people distrust EPs | Sep 19 18:14 |
| antilope | we are now basicallz emptying our stock (examination) and it is going pretty fast | Sep 19 18:14 |
| antilope | you are fully right | Sep 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | it's easy | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | checked this, checked that | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | didn't find anything | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | decision: grant | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | it's not even like you have to produce anything, just say "found nothing" | Sep 19 18:15 |
| antilope | and the good news is, we are even rewarded in case op oppositions! | Sep 19 18:15 |
| schestowitz | what is that? | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | was ist das? | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | case op? | Sep 19 18:16 |
| antilope | remark: The bulk what is granted now has still pretty good search reports, but that is going to change quickly | Sep 19 18:16 |
| antilope | in case of an opposition, we get time like 2 or 3 days | Sep 19 18:16 |
| antilope | that is good for our productivity | Sep 19 18:17 |
| antilope | some dicrectorates got 3 times more oppo's as their counterpart (which should be kind of identical) | Sep 19 18:17 |
| antilope | the new mantra is: Timeliness | Sep 19 18:18 |
| antilope | But not a single applicant is interested in this , they want quality | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | or "early | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "? | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | applicants want quality? | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Doubt it | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | they want collective quality | Sep 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | even those who are not applicants and can be sued/shaken down | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | quality is a long-term reputational thing | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | take universities for example | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | my friend's partner has her phd viva in 1.5 weeks | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | they can just let her pass | Sep 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | and they're rewarded for it | Sep 19 18:19 |
| antilope | yes believe me, if you put so much money in your patent portfolio you want a certain quality I have been in at least 20 huge companies and they all conveyed this message (think of: Philips, Daikin, Mitsubishi, Honeywell etc etc) | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | but at what stage does a university accept so many theses that it's just considered to be a crap university? Same situation at the EPO now.. | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | well, they want the veneer of EPO stamp | Sep 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | to maybe convince the companies they come to meet about "licensing" | Sep 19 18:20 |
| antilope | there are still capable courts active in Europe who decide on the validity of a patent | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | but when EPO is associated with patent disputed and trashed in court (see Apple) they'll think twice before suing | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and companies might refuse to pay up | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | a patent is just a negotiation card | Sep 19 18:21 |
| antilope | depends on how strong it is | Sep 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and EPs will lose their compelling value if the public finds out how shallow the examination is/was | Sep 19 18:21 |
| antilope | EPI pen in the US is another perfect example, complete bogus of course | Sep 19 18:22 |
| schestowitz | epi? | Sep 19 18:22 |
| schestowitz | who deleted their criticism of BB? | Sep 19 18:22 |
| antilope | well this diabetes injector | Sep 19 18:22 |
| schestowitz | ah, different EPI | Sep 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw an article today about the 'miracle' drug | Sep 19 18:23 |
| antilope | they got a patent on the safety cap, and now charge like 150 dollar for something costing 10 bucks before (thanks USPTO) | Sep 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive | Sep 19 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vanityfair.com | Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down | Vanity Fair | Sep 19 18:23 | |
| antilope | she is the best | Sep 19 18:23 |
| schestowitz | might want to pass this around in EPO, I've no use for it except in daily links (soon) | Sep 19 18:23 |
| antilope | but she was mentioned as a best foreign inventor.... | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | miraculous rise | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | 8 bn dollar valuation | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | for a scam | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | more miraculous then Bergot's appointment even | Sep 19 18:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe BB will pursue hiring her | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | she can give a keynote at the Social Conference | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | followed by the clowns of FFPE | Sep 19 18:25 |
| antilope | Bergot has tremendous fat ass, according to our secretary who sat with her on the plane.. | Sep 19 18:25 |
| antilope | but you fly out if you make a joke on this! | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I heard some personal insults | Sep 19 18:25 |
| antilope | vous etes vireessss | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I never published these, I pocket these, they're not suitable for publication | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | also, they can reveal who talks to who | Sep 19 18:26 |
| antilope | by lauging the misery away we survive, like being in the trenches | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | the management doesn't like it | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Bergot has two buddies/guards now | Sep 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | BB's 'treat' | Sep 19 18:27 |
| antilope | we wonder why | Sep 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure there's some nice phrase for it in French | Sep 19 18:27 |
| antilope | our french colleguaes are not so fond f her, and her big friend | Sep 19 18:27 |
| antilope | but we should respect all players in mz opinion | Sep 19 18:28 |
| schestowitz | does something control BB? | Sep 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Like large corporations? (not rhetorical) | Sep 19 18:29 |
| antilope | I guess not | Sep 19 18:29 |
| antilope | no no | Sep 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | or some politicians (EU/FR)? | Sep 19 18:29 |
| antilope | you have to dig into his family background, it is really simple middle class people with those narrow minded ideas | Sep 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | so he really does take the plane nosediving into the Alps | Sep 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | because what he does ruins the Office | Sep 19 18:30 |
| antilope | the see it differently | Sep 19 18:30 |
| antilope | money is no 1 | Sep 19 18:30 |
| antilope | but in our opinion it should be simply that we do our duties, not more and not less | Sep 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | he can sell his mother's blood for money, but that would not be a virtuous move | Sep 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | money short term, maybe | Sep 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | until his term endss | Sep 19 18:31 |
| antilope | so no advertising, no lobbying | Sep 19 18:31 |
| antilope | did you ever contact this Oliveira Prakken office? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | his UPC plans came tumbling down | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | when the EPO org was trying to silence you? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | that UPC is a lame duck | Sep 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | no, never spoke to them, why? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | but the duck does not want to know this | Sep 19 18:32 |
| antilope | btw, realize that a UPC judge is going to earn less than an experienced EPO examiner, so they can forget to attract skilled people accept form Eastern Europe | Sep 19 18:33 |
| antilope | I think these lawyers are pretty good in what they do | Sep 19 18:34 |
| antilope | well, lets wait for end of next week verdict | Sep 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | wait | Sep 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | you mean "would" | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | not "going to" | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | All those 'jobs' advertised in the UK for UPC turned out, as I predicted, to be bogus ones, for positions that did not exist or would not exist | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | same with the court they were preparing in London | Sep 19 18:35 |
| antilope | the dutch high court, end of next week, to be honest we expect nothing out of it | Sep 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | nasty strategy of laying the ground before a go-ahead is even given | Sep 19 18:36 |
| antilope | I think so | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I saw the Dutch news | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it last night | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | bird and bird folks now have some new spin | Sep 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I will write about this tomorrow, I hope | Sep 19 18:36 |
| antilope | Italians can of course forget to get anything, totally insignificant country in Patents | Sep 19 18:36 |
| antilope | please keep on posting, it is great to read | Sep 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Sep 19 18:38 |
| antilope | not all is true in the end, but where smoke is is a fire | Sep 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I might go though the log above, filter out for any sensitive things, use the information in future posts | Sep 19 18:38 |
| antilope | yes please filter! | Sep 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I always do | Sep 19 18:39 |
| antilope | I try not to diclose to uch about myself | Sep 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't publish IRC logs, not until the danger is well over | Sep 19 18:39 |
| antilope | you better not!! | Sep 19 18:40 |
| antilope | See you another time! | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | yes, thank you for your time | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | don't worry, I'm protecting sources | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | and they don't know about one another, in case of honeypot 'sources' | Sep 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I learned a lot from the mistakes of sites like Wikileaks | Sep 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | apropos https://theintercept.com/2016/09/18/washpost-makes-history-first-paper-to-call-for-prosecution-of-its-own-source-after-accepting-pulitzer/ | Sep 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | corporate media | Sep 19 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | WashPost Makes History: First Paper to Call for Prosecution of Its Own Source (After Accepting Pulitzer) | Sep 19 18:43 | |
| MinceR | 19 125405 < XRevan86> Quality is not the matter here. | Sep 19 18:46 |
| MinceR | indeed -- censorship is. | Sep 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | they start with pr0n | Sep 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | later Putin will decide that other stuff is indecent | Sep 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | and will block that too | Sep 19 18:49 |
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| MinceR | they've already blocked other things, iirc | Sep 19 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | yes, in the past | Sep 19 19:28 |
| MinceR | http://oglaf.com/insummary/ | Sep 19 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oglaf.com | In summary | Sep 19 19:38 | |
| MarkBilk_ | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive This is a very interesting article! | Sep 19 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vanityfair.com | Exclusive: How Elizabeth Holmes’s House of Cards Came Tumbling Down | Vanity Fair | Sep 19 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk_: http://techrights.org/2016/06/03/epo-eia2015-fraud/ | Sep 19 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How the EPO Helped Prop Up — With ‘European Inventor Award 2015′ — a Fraud That Killed a Lot of People | Techrights | Sep 19 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk_: black(ish) comedy | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | cannibalism | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | oops, MinceR I meanty | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | *meant | Sep 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | with a minty tang to it... | Sep 19 19:53 |
| MinceR | dark humor is like food | Sep 19 19:58 |
| MarkBilk_ | Elizabeth Holmes - what a babe! I'd do her -- but I wouldn't let her near me with any needles... | Sep 19 20:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 19 20:03 |
| MarkBilk_ | The saddest thing is that great scientist Ian Gibbons who killed himself over the fraud. | Sep 19 20:06 |
| MarkBilk_ | schestowitz: Good coverage in techrights! | Sep 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | there are several more in there about her | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | probably linked to from the article about | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *avove | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *abive | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | *above | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | there! | Sep 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I need to switch on the light, it just got dark here | Sep 19 20:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 19 20:11 |
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| MinceR | re Holmes: this is where copying crApple gets you | Sep 19 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: was she an apple fangirl? | Sep 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I must have missed that, but it would not surprise me | Sep 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe she should have advised patients to just eats nuts and berries to cure cancer. Like Jobs did... | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7850335 | Sep 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: She needs to call #israel first and find out if #opendebates are OK https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/777168072805408768 | Sep 19 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DrJillStein: Call debates commission member Jane Harman, president of @TheWilsonCenter, at 202.691.4202. Ask for #OpenDebates! https://t.co/9WptfRJ3Db | Sep 19 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | oh, counterpunch, good source about the middle east conflict, so obviously free of ANY bias 0o | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | but itz ok, the us-politics is organized in israel | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Lots of sites wrote about this at the time, maybe thousands | Sep 19 20:36 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Sep 19 20:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the article says yes | Sep 19 20:36 |
| MinceR | lol @ nuts and berries | Sep 19 20:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz you going to the GNOME party on Friday in Manchester? | Sep 19 20:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Sep 19 20:37 |
| schestowitz | SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, I think so | Sep 19 20:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I would have possibly, if wasn't so far | Sep 19 20:37 |
| schestowitz | my wife is coming too | Sep 19 20:38 |
| schestowitz | we know the place, went there before | Sep 19 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think it's true [H]omer/Slated said so and I think it was mentioned in some article | Sep 19 20:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz yeah Manchester is to far for that | Sep 19 20:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for me | Sep 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Jobs and Ellison are on some hardcore delusional s* like Buddhism also | Sep 19 20:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz this reminds me, there's a GNOME conference there on the last weekend of July next year as well | Sep 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | I guess the event will be well attended | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the weekend before my birthda | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | y | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | next year | Sep 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | cool | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | manchester is far etc | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so probably won't go to that either | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not that into GNOME now anywy, well I am, but Ubuntu is more excitinga gain | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | again | Sep 19 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Unity, tablets phone, unity 8 coming to desktp eventually as default, all that is more exciting | Sep 19 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | altough I read there was a GNOME games program on omgubuntu like yesterday for playing retro games and such it seems, that's intertesting | Sep 19 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz when did you last go to a Linux etc event FOSS? | Sep 19 20:41 |
| schestowitz | years ago | Sep 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I keep planning but then change my mind due to other priorities | Sep 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | this one is big enough and near enough to us | Sep 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | minutes walking distance | Sep 19 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz oh only minutes | Sep 19 20:43 |
| MinceR | afaik buddhism isn't nearly as hardcore as abrahamic religion, hinduism or scientology :> | Sep 19 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz other priorites such as by the way ? | Sep 19 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in genreal for events | Sep 19 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to go or not | Sep 19 20:46 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/775382744541069312 | Sep 19 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AuerbachKeller: I'd missed this, but @todogroup abandoned their Code of Conduct, probably because it was a legal & PR minefield. https://t.co/W15Eb0ADBT | Sep 19 22:21 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | ah | Sep 19 22:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | net split | Sep 19 22:57 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 19 23:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, so annoying | Sep 19 23:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ruined a chat I was having in another channel | Sep 19 23:02 |
| razielle_tzu | ah | Sep 19 23:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah was tyring to see if maybe could get soeone to come up from some where far ish a way but still south west etc | Sep 19 23:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to help with my event maybe etc | Sep 19 23:03 |
| razielle_tzu | fair enough | Sep 19 23:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, looks like it's going to be small | Sep 19 23:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | herlperwise but also attendes | Sep 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | http://www.cracked.com/article_24284_5-ways-technology-unstable-house-cards.html | Sep 19 23:07 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | MinceR, the modern world will collapse with hungary fallling into the ground, with you in it :d | Sep 19 23:08 |
| MinceR | i didn't know hungary was part of the modern world :> | Sep 19 23:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | MinceR, yeah you got interwebs so it is :d | Sep 19 23:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777999192392241153 | Sep 19 23:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OTA-13 lands with new keyboard languages and more | Sep 19 23:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xJtS2GbdFF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 23:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu OTA-13 lands with new keyboard languages and more | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:34 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777999193516322816 | Sep 19 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Top 10 Open Source CRM https://t.co/xBD7cQp6Ev | Sep 19 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Open Source CRM | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777999194648784896 | Sep 19 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | After Ten Years, Vim (Vi IMproved) 8.0 Open-Source Text | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Editor Is Here https://t.co/SFKl7cj8Hf | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | After Ten Years, Vim (Vi IMproved) 8.0 Open-Source Text Editor Is Here | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/777999195651223552 | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Black Lab Linux 7.7 Officially Released with Latest | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Updates from Ubuntu https://t.co/Ud79fscJPT | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 19 23:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux 7.7 Officially Released with Latest Security Updates from Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Sep 19 23:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'After Ten Years, Vim (Vi IMproved) 8.0 Open-Source...' | Sep 19 23:48 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Sep 20 09:44 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Sep 20 09:44 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 20 09:44 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently nobody is bothering to censor bing. | Sep 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | I typed The Last Ship and it suggested "The Last Ship torrent s03e2". LOL | Sep 20 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778141197726519296 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/eOm8NDKX92 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC7, KDevelop 5.0.1 | Techrights | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778153720353792001 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Looking forward to GNOME 3.22 https://t.co/cxki5qHnM3 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (feaneron.com) | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feaneron.com | Looking forward GNOME 3.22 | Georges Stavracas | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778155074178707456 | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kubuntu needs some K/Ubuntu Developer help this week | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cE7VYQ8uXU (linuxgrandma.blogspot.com) | Sep 20 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgrandma.blogspot.com | Linux Grandma: Kubuntu needs some K/Ubuntu Developer help this week | Sep 20 10:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778157628530843648 | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are Now | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download https://t.co/587vCusENd | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are Now Available for Download - Exclusive | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778158264877981697 | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DNgweXPu1G (hackerboards.com) | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackerboards.com | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778158511981289472 | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KPTRKYIR2x (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches - Phoronix | Sep 20 10:15 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: interesting, give me links | Sep 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so that I can shame lenovo for it | Sep 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/td-p/3339206 | Sep 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | main topic | Sep 20 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID mod... - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 10:27 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434304#M8266 | Sep 20 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 15 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 10:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Guy that resorted to external flashing to fix it. | Sep 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They obviously did it deliberately if you read the article. | Sep 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Then they wrote some EFI code to stop you from going into EFIshell and setting the mode to AHCI from there. | Sep 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | You can try setting it but the firmware immediately discards the setting. | Sep 20 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I have to get to bed. Have fun with that. | Sep 20 10:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778167318778175488 | Sep 20 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz There's a difference between something that's centuries old and something that's a few years old, isn't there? | Sep 20 10:45 | |
| schestowitz | There is, but I doubt the only explanation for this is fear of terror | Sep 20 10:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks, will post | Sep 20 10:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can see in boycottnovell-social what I wrote | Sep 20 10:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778168473679753217 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778168622992723968 | Sep 20 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Weather-related fluctuations are usually 10%-20%. I've heard from staff of 2 hotels in the area about many vacancies, unusual. | Sep 20 10:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Also, it's the first year in the long history of Oktoberfest that they built a fence all around it, thereby admitting a risk. | Sep 20 10:50 | |
| schestowitz | The fence thing is noteworthy | Sep 20 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/778170688704286749 | Sep 20 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz It was a tough call for the city adminstration. If they did nothing, they'd get the blame if anything happened. Had to do s.th. | Sep 20 11:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778160631023276032 | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announcing upcoming Mageia 5.1 ISOs and an update on | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mageia 6 progress https://t.co/Aj4ZCJpNOI | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.mageia.org) | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mageia.org | Announcing upcoming Mageia 5.1 ISOs and an update on Mageia 6 progress | Mageia Blog (English) | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173224337154049 | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0zTfijRP0a (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny $2.10 WiFi module taps ESP8285 WiFi SoC | Tux Machines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173226853756928 | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gaRuOFHGX1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 11:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bcache File-System Has Initial Encryption Patches | Tux Machines | Sep 20 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/778191284058095616 | Sep 20 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: Disgusting twist of a term. https://t.co/4beCV0YXlR | Sep 20 12:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft 'news' channel https://t.co/2L5gmUOpNz from MSNBC. No comment needed. Microsoft loves Linux. | Sep 20 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/778194468902240256 | Sep 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | good analogy | Sep 20 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz I imagine #Microsoft loves #FOSS in much the same way #Disney loves the #PublicDomain | Sep 20 12:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173229148102658 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Oracle pledges continued support for Java and NetBeans | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5j4sojoIhd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle pledges continued support for Java and NetBeans | Tux Machines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173232088317952 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian 8 Updated, Kubuntu Help Wanted, Mageia 5.1 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/k4rpaXSnmJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 8 Updated, Kubuntu Help Wanted, Mageia 5.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778173234713944064 | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/pJIWcZetka | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 12:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Launches This Week for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 12:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Updates for Ubuntu...' | Sep 20 13:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 "Jessie" Live ISO Editions Are...' | Sep 20 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jkbzas/status/778210240361799680 | Sep 20 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jkbzas: #Facebook, el #censurador global https://t.co/043OmMvo2U | Sep 20 13:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook is now a >global< #censorship giant on the #internet https://t.co/62EGeNEic5 https://t.co/yxqf7pduMI https://t.co/ePMKisBEUM | Sep 20 13:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/778215169323401217 | Sep 20 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrIvanJohnson: @cryptogon FYI https://t.co/3UvzBRm1sh | Sep 20 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778216575769993217 | Sep 20 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: It was the proving ground for open source software back in 2006 @schestowitz When I went to the Linux show in Boston China was there. | Sep 20 13:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778214515670454272 | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flowblade 1.8 Released, Supports Keyboard Trimming, Clip | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapping https://t.co/pZr0Ph2BYz (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Flowblade 1.8 Released, Supports Keyboard Trimming, Clip Snapping - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778220219844165632 | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5hhw5DumYX (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently - Android Authority | Sep 20 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778221156981698565 | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phablet Android fans were hoping for | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/V9NWtzuq2p (bgr.com) | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pixel XL Specs: Benchmarks suggest underpowered phablet from Google | BGR | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222424680693760 | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs and HTC | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10-inspired designs https://t.co/NDLl6LZFgc | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 20 14:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs and HTC 10-inspired designs - Android Authority | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'New Desire 10 Pro and Lifestyle: mid-range specs...' | Sep 20 14:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222811773014016 | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | HTC Desire 10 preview: Flashy outside, ordinary within | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QepKmCaSyF (www.androidcentral.com) | Sep 20 14:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | HTC Desire 10 preview: Flashy outside, ordinary within | Android Central | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse...' | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Google’s upcoming Pixel XL won’t be the powerhouse...' | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778222970636492800 | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Prepares for OpenStack Newton Improvements | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/prHLGGPu56 (www.serverwatch.com) | Sep 20 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Red Hat Prepares for OpenStack Newton Improvements | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently...' | Sep 20 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JordanCoyleEsq/status/778224069388955648 | Sep 20 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JordanCoyleEsq: .@Focus_Taiwan respondents located outside the US have 20 + (5 or 10) days to respond to the complaint and NOI, per… https://t.co/awNHBeRN9u | Sep 20 14:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JordanCoyleEsq: .@Focus_Taiwan respondents located outside the US have 20 + (5 or 10) days to respond to the complaint and NOI, per… https://t.co/awNHBeRN9u | Sep 20 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/778230945224818688 | Sep 20 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz Christians around the world are praying that #Trump defeats Globalist puppets #Hillary & Kaine. Humanity faces a New Dark Age | Sep 20 14:57 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CharlesNSALAMBI favourited 'Pet peeves: things we wish Android handled differently...' | Sep 20 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778223302938599424 | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What is the Fedora Code of Conduct? | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uCEgqr7UX0 (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | by Amita Sharma | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 15:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/what-is-fedora-code-conduct/ ) | Sep 20 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778223555242758145 | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AsciiBind all the things! https://t.co/R0U2Iep7NR | Sep 20 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winglemeyer.org) | Sep 20 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winglemeyer.org | AsciiBind all the things! - even the horse knew | Sep 20 15:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778232422743834624 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/HqYA5d6ya3 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 15:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234437225984001 | Sep 20 15:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/66olHOmu9t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 Released | Techrights | Sep 20 15:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234438547181569 | Sep 20 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/oUPv1xNiSk | Sep 20 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:09 | |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-16 | Sep 20 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aland From Quality Assurance - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-16 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 20 15:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234439893594112 | Sep 20 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/6lovoNDLDB | Sep 20 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234441017667589 | Sep 20 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/RGfOBa1v9n | Sep 20 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778234442296938497 | Sep 20 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/belgiGhCCy | Sep 20 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 15:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 20 15:37 | |
| *sebsebseb (~unitytrye@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | Sep 20 16:25 | |
| sebsebseb | hi | Sep 20 16:25 |
| razielle_tzu | o/ | Sep 20 16:25 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: hi | Sep 20 16:26 |
| razielle_tzu | hi | Sep 20 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: looks like the Ubuntu touch music player is ok enough | Sep 20 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: probably going to play music and videos from tablet, depending on space a bit as well | Sep 20 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | for een | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | event | Sep 20 16:29 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: thing is I think the space is only about 16gb so uhmm | Sep 20 16:29 |
| razielle_tzu | my LTSP setup is working great but i'm annoyed at having to chroot to install stuff | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | but I got a good site to get music from | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | or find out about it etc | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: some or more than expected Creative Commons open movies, woudn't be quite suitable for the event it turns out | Sep 20 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but I can get a few at least it seems :) that will be fine, maybe I'll use the pa to play audio for those as well, or maybe there ins't much choice there | Sep 20 16:30 |
| sebsebseb | I mean audio for videos instead of music when showing a video | Sep 20 16:30 |
| razielle_tzu | i get wht you mean | Sep 20 16:30 |
| sebsebseb | might work to lure some people in, why did the music stop to uhmm, whtat's that | Sep 20 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: still got the issues of who is going to turn up to help, and who is going to turn up to visit the eent etc | Sep 20 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I think I am going to put some money into Facebook advertising | Sep 20 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | try that | Sep 20 16:33 |
| razielle_tzu | at least that can be pretty cheap | Sep 20 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah it seems set an amount and a distance | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking put like £30 into that | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | and see what happens | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | means got to change the image for that as well, since it doens't work so well as an add the one it's using | Sep 20 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | but need more people to like the page, say they are coming etc, but that's not going to happen if they don't know it's there etc | Sep 20 16:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/D_cence/status/778256253021786113 | Sep 20 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@D_cence: @schestowitz @PSchydlowski it's not just them, boycott many others ! (imagine the same with a car: you can't buy gas anywhere) | Sep 20 16:36 | |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I have tried Ebay for a first time! | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: actually buying from it myself | Sep 20 16:37 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | well only way to get a tizen phone at the moment so | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but not much has happended there last time I looked, got to import from India hmm | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: hopefully it comes ok etc | Sep 20 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ebay isn't where I would usaully buy things at all, since I want to buy new things etc | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | things that are definetly new for sure or very likly | Sep 20 16:38 |
| razielle_tzu | there are sellers of new tuff on there too | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yes apparnaty it's a new phone | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | but who knjows really | Sep 20 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | they all say that | Sep 20 16:39 |
| sebsebseb | new as in unused | Sep 20 16:39 |
| razielle_tzu | i bought a few things listed as new and they arrived still wrapped in the shrink wrap they get shipped to stores in | Sep 20 16:39 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yeah but some peop;le will go off with money or maybe | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | or send something that isn't new | Sep 20 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | and take a hit to their ebay scores and reputation for it | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I had a choice of three Tizen phones, but I still went for the very first one | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | but that was also cheaper so a bit cheaper | Sep 20 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | eventually enough hits and they get banned | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | the one I picked had a lot of good reviews | Sep 20 16:40 |
| sebsebseb | good feedback etc | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | so hopefully be ok, hopefuly it comes in time for the event as well | Sep 20 16:41 |
| razielle_tzu | i only buy from sellers with at least 97% positive feedback... | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: Did I tell you about my Nexdock and how currently I can't really use it, ah yes I did, yeah need some connecters for that etc to be more ueable | Sep 20 16:41 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: and Fedex wants £23.99 from me or whatever it was | Sep 20 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | customs yeah | Sep 20 16:42 |
| razielle_tzu | ah | Sep 20 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I expecte some customs, sometimes it's only about £11 but ok not this time | Sep 20 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | it's still quite a cheap thing even with the customs charge really though | Sep 20 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | so all together it will have been about £80 I guess or something like that | Sep 20 16:44 |
| razielle_tzu | not too bad | Sep 20 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: anhyway just another customs charge, then tehre will be something for the Tizen phone to assuming that comes | Sep 20 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | already paid some cusotm charges on tech and such so | Sep 20 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | will be doing more of that, seems most of the interesting tech comes from abroad so yeah | Sep 20 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well that wasa rather boring etc, and came there late anyway but uh. some boring ubuntu community q and a about snappy | Sep 20 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | they finnished it earlier now though | Sep 20 16:49 |
| sebsebseb | early | Sep 20 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/c_wweber/status/778276170886320128 | Sep 20 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@c_wweber: @schestowitz @DrJillStein maybe in specific cases, but your generalization is false. | Sep 20 17:56 | |
| MinceR | http://www.bunicomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-09-19-Buni.jpg | Sep 20 19:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pain-into-pleasure | Sep 20 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pain into Pleasure | Sep 20 19:26 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/1OHZCBh.jpg | Sep 20 19:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778241475377303552 | Sep 20 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 | Sep 20 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Released https://t.co/HqYA5d6ya3 (techrights.org) | Sep 20 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 19:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 20 19:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/9/2016: GNOME 3.22 Preview, Absolute 14.2 Released | Techrights | Sep 20 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/778304585526042624 | Sep 20 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft sues Wisconsin man (again) for copyright infringement (again) @schestowitz https://t.co/Mnj8ZM1meb | Sep 20 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft sues Wisconsin man (again) for copyright infringement (again) • The Register | Sep 20 19:57 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2016/09/16/18-illustrations-that-all-cat-owners-will-understand/ | Sep 20 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-18 Illustrations That All Cat Owners Will Understand – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 20 20:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778307242403782656 | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/1XFwhnla8D | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778308422802505728 | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Parsix Normalizes GNOME https://t.co/Bwgu8AYzvX | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Sep 20 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parsix Normalizes GNOME | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Sep 20 20:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778309611401150464 | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LASTFIGHT, a pretty good looking fighting game just | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | released on Linux https://t.co/rKe2tXRtsI | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 20 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 20:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LASTFIGHT, a pretty good looking fighting game just released on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 20 20:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/778309640622923776 | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/1XFwhnla8D | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778311211305865224 | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Look At The Exciting Features/Improvements Of GNOME | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.22 https://t.co/RBNI33Reo4 (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Look At The Exciting Features/Improvements Of GNOME 3.22 - Phoronix | Sep 20 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: last link does not work | Sep 20 21:27 |
| schestowitz | https://pleatedjeans.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/pleated-jeans-maintenance/ | Sep 20 21:27 |
| MinceR | hm | Sep 20 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleatedjeans.wordpress.com | Pleated-Jeans Maintenance | | Sep 20 21:27 | |
| MinceR | try this one: http://pleated-jeans.net/2016/09/16/18-illustrations-that-all-cat-owners-will-understand/ | Sep 20 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.net | 18 Illustrations That All Cat Owners Will Understand – Pleated-Jeans.com | Sep 20 21:28 | |
| MinceR | they're having troubles with wordpress | Sep 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Doopser/status/778329379248152576 https://twitter.com/SirNasaRoyal/status/778329605560111104 | Sep 20 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Doopser: @schestowitz @DrJillStein Or scream and make a stand like she is doing | Sep 20 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SirNasaRoyal: It's good they tell ? I'll read l later my Car https://t.co/u7PcJ3aQbL | Sep 20 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: They are the owners of the country. Always were. Still are. Deal with it. Or encourage whistleblowers to leak. https://t.co/CsClIk2PeX | Sep 20 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe they don't use it tight | Sep 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | *right | Sep 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330300279562240 https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330489006518273 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks TPPA, TTIP and TISA are all about empowering globalist oligopolies, which will gobble up smaller businesses globally | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks As smaller businesses are crushed or consumed by multinational corporate raiders more will lose jobs. | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778330694137372677 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks As jobs are lost (or hours and benefits severely reduced) the tax base will drop - as will publicly funded services | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331084933042176 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331086006865920 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/BRRvnarzA4 | Sep 20 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331087164407808 | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 21 Open Source Projects for IoT https://t.co/yvvEmTeT0t | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 21 Open Source Projects for IoT | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778331050720321540 | Sep 20 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks TPPA, TTIP, TISA and other greedy profit driven multinational trade grabs will create "Let them eat cake" society | Sep 20 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/778331356430565376 | Sep 20 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Nah, I just don't get many opportunities to tell that story. | Sep 20 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/778331464773562372 | Sep 20 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz @wikileaks Ask French what's likely to happen in a Multinational equivalent to the aristocratic "Let them eat cake" society. | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | decapitation | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778331088372367361 | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung open sources its HbbTV media player | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O8VYqoYPqC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung open sources its HbbTV media player | Tux Machines | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/ziN0KEMlDi' | Sep 20 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Phredreeke/status/778332125271646208 | Sep 20 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Phredreeke: @schestowitz @livebeef well, if I have a printer, I most likely have a device to print from as well :P | Sep 20 21:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @cupcake_se favourited 'Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/BRRvnarzA4' | Sep 20 21:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778332364502163456 | Sep 20 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Sep 20 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YFggK3DXjl (www.computerworld.com) | Sep 20 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 21:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Computerworld | Sep 20 21:41 | |
| MinceR | http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=080728 | Sep 20 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sluggy Freelance - Comic for | Sep 20 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/778338161307049984 | Sep 20 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Seems like Hell is at the backdoor of router Heaven. https://t.co/McVOjJ7X84 | Sep 20 22:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Long story short, #nsa played God with back doors and left a huge mess https://t.co/B3yV8tbwo2 https://t.co/NhkwHRpWvs | Sep 20 22:02 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.engrish.com/2016/07/the-newest-fangle/ | Sep 20 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The newest fangle! | Engrish.com | Sep 20 22:17 | |
| MinceR | http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-lego-jokes/ | Sep 20 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boredpanda.com | 10+ Of The Funniest LEGO Jokes Ever | Bored Panda | Sep 20 22:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Copyright Cartel Logic: If we make it impossible to watch Netflix programs in other countries, they totally won't use pirate streaming sites that are free. | Sep 20 22:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, totally | Sep 20 22:43 |
| MinceR | but at least they'll break the web in the attempt | Sep 20 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Netflix intentionally degrades the video in Chrome and Firefox anyway. | Sep 20 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | 720p no matter what you're paying for. | Sep 20 22:44 |
| MinceR | similarly to how they intentionally degraded web standards | Sep 20 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to get 1080p is Internet Explorer, Edge, Safari, or the Windows Store app. | Sep 20 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | No way to do 4K Netflix streaming on a PC. | Sep 20 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | So unless you have a smart tv or a streaming box that does 4K and is "authorized" by Netflix, it's impossible to watch in 4K even if you pay for it. | Sep 20 22:45 |
| MinceR | excellent reasons not to use or pay NETFUCKS, ever | Sep 20 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Don't get the 4K version if you plan to watch on a PC. | Sep 20 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | You're just wasting the extra $2 a month. | Sep 20 22:47 |
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| MinceR | but i'm sure it will be all the "pirates'" fault if their business doesn't do well and people use reasonable ways to access the content instead | Sep 20 22:47 |
| MinceR | typical MAFIAA bullshit | Sep 20 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix won't TELL you that. It's only known because the secret menu that you can bring up with a key como shows what resolution it's playing in. | Sep 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | So they'll sell you service that you can't actually use and then won't tell you that you're not getting that level of service. | Sep 20 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Which is false advertising. | Sep 20 22:48 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they won't be convicted | Sep 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Gnutella is still being monitored. | Sep 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | They shut own Limewire, so the most obvious way of using that network has been gone for years. | Sep 20 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if it's off their radar now. | Sep 20 22:51 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/u-s-arrest-puts-spotlight-on-file-sharing-risk-1.644921 | Sep 20 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Limewire was pretty funny. | Sep 20 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbc.ca | U.S. arrest puts spotlight on file-sharing risk - Technology & Science - CBC News | Sep 20 22:52 | |
| DaemonFC | People putting things like their tax returns in their share folder.. | Sep 20 22:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 22:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Bittorrent is heavily monitored. | Sep 20 22:53 |
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| DaemonFC | You share Game of Thrones and it's only a matter of when IP-Echelon sends a DMCA complaint to your ISP. | Sep 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how safe the Gnutella network is these days. | Sep 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | HBO isn't suing people. They're using the complaint letters as a way of saying "We know what you did. Why don't you subscribe to HBO Now?". | Sep 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Sure it's $20 a month and we only have one good show.... | Sep 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 20 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Uhhh, maybe that's why people aren't subscribing? :) | Sep 20 22:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | They say a product is worth what people will pay. Companies like HBO overvalue their product. | Sep 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Probably at least four times over. | Sep 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | If it was $5, everyone would just subscribe and probably forget about it and keep paying forever. | Sep 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of bills, at least that horrific electric bill for air conditioning is over for a while. | Sep 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | The building has boiler heat, so I get to enjoy $25 electric bills for the next 8 months. | Sep 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | It was running $75 a month with the air conditioner. | Sep 20 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's a little much for a studio apartment, but it was that or roast all summer. :P | Sep 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Illinois gets hot and humid summers and harsh winters. | Sep 20 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | They call Chicago "Chiberia" in the winter. | Sep 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | is that better or worse than Chiraq? :> | Sep 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's too cold to go out and kill people so the violent crime comes to a halt. :) | Sep 20 23:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, my mom got a kick out of that. | Sep 20 23:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778333237701709825 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MATE 1.16 Ready For Release, More GTK2 GNOME-Forked Code | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ported To GTK3 https://t.co/P1qclkHXMO (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 20 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MATE 1.16 Ready For Release, More GTK2 GNOME-Forked Code Ported To GTK3 - Phoronix | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778334107243864064 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu tees up OpenStack on IBM's iron | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3iqp0wErOT (www.theregister.co.uk) | Sep 20 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Ubuntu tees up OpenStack on IBM's iron • The Register | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354877885919232 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Start-up sells a stamp-sized Linux server for $5 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BL84g47cC0 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354880578588672 | Sep 20 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Riot secure messaging | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354882264698880 | Sep 20 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Servers (Linux Foundation and IBM) | Sep 20 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers (Linux Foundation and IBM) | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354883355258880 | Sep 20 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME/GTK News https://t.co/UzI27tFWX6 | Sep 20 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME/GTK News | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:08 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434927#M8273 | Sep 20 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz | Sep 20 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 16 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 23:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I made some suggestions to file bugs in the major Linux distributions bug trackers, try installing Fedora Rawhide to see what the latest Linux does on this system, and maybe get in touch with Matthew Garrett and see if he'd take a crack at it. | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I ended with this: | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | It's time to go to some people outside of Lenovo to get this thing fixed. It's completely obvious to me (my opinion) after reading these posts that what Lenovo did was both intentional and malicious and if we stand around waiting for them to fix the problem, we'll be stuck with Windows 10 forever. Their past history with the Superfish malware and the BIOS that reinstalled their crapware bundle even in a clean Windows install from | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's ISO only bolster my belief that this was deliberate. | Sep 20 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I added: | Sep 20 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | In the meantime, we should go post this information on reviews of this computer so that people know what Lenovo did. Also comment on their Facebook posts. Let's turn up the heat on them until they release a BIOS update that fixes this. | Sep 20 23:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778354884684881920 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Web browsers for GNU/Linux https://t.co/02wbGNKgvF | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 20 23:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Web browsers for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778356127344037888 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Non-blurry photos of the Google Pixel and Pixel XL leak | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7SjLWmNOym (www.androidpolice.com) | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Non-blurry photos of the Google Pixel and Pixel XL leak | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778356246076358656 | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BlackBerry DTEK60 running Android spotted on company | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | website https://t.co/kKU1X0qDYE (indianexpress.com) | Sep 20 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | BlackBerry DTEK60 running Android spotted on company website | The Indian Express | Sep 20 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3434929#M8274 | Sep 20 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 16 - Lenovo Community | Sep 20 23:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Bownairo said: About a week or two ago, I tried Gentoo with the latest kernel, still no success, that's why I continued progress on the BIOS mod | Sep 20 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I replied: Sadly, unless there is a way to trick the computer into accepting the BIOS update without Lenovo's signature on it, or to somehow sign the blasted thing with Lenovo's signature, without hooking up an external flasher and potentially ruining a $1,400 computer, that doesn't help most people. | Sep 20 23:31 |
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| MinceR | lol @ fedora rawhide | Sep 20 23:54 |
| cubexyz | boo to web sites that don't work good in 4:3 | Sep 21 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ping | Sep 21 00:14 |
| razielle_tzu | yes sebsebseb? | Sep 21 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: oh you are here nice :) | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: so good news and good news :d | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | which good news do you want first h eh | Sep 21 00:19 |
| razielle_tzu | ok, good news first | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | which good news :d the more so or the less so h he he h both about same | Sep 21 00:19 |
| razielle_tzu | if they're about the same does it matter? | Sep 21 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ok so good getting a loco pack from Canonical | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | found out earlier :) | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | that should mean stickers, pens, some t- shirts | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | and a hat or two even | Sep 21 00:20 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: maybe they would have sent lanyards to, or might anyway, but I said I had from before... | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: actsaully there is slight bad news as well | Sep 21 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly since some logistics issue or whatever, they can't send nice 16.04 USB's | Sep 21 00:20 |
| razielle_tzu | shame | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't want to burn a load uh, no thanks, but somenoe else might I guess or whatever | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: the other good news, did another emails to the LUG, | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | this evening | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Sep 21 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | asking for more event help and about the meeting coming up this saturdya to etc, and yes got another helper now it seems, so that's good :) | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I guess that's four of us at least then, including myself | Sep 21 00:22 |
| razielle_tzu | i think for my next presentation i might do a proper one on the differences between OS X, Windows and Linux... using the LTSP system and a couple of Mint systems for linux demos | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | your next presentation | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 21 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | for what? | Sep 21 00:22 |
| razielle_tzu | for the computer club | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: oh yeah and there might be a company in London that can work for, tech stuff | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | but London uhmm | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | is like two hours away from here via transport | Sep 21 00:23 |
| razielle_tzu | that's not too bad | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about that quite, but would be potentailly looking for peope like me it seems | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | so | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | yeah maybe, who knjows, doing some qa or something at least, if not programming | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | got to send a cv over etc, and see what happens frst really | Sep 21 00:23 |
| razielle_tzu | if you can put up with the commute go for it | Sep 21 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well it would only take like two hours on the train or so | Sep 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | but travling costs so uhmm | Sep 21 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | or about two hours by bus as well I guess | Sep 21 00:24 |
| cubexyz | 2 hours? ugh | Sep 21 00:25 |
| cubexyz | that would be OK once a week :) | Sep 21 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I did some contracts from home | Sep 21 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I wonder how many Ubuntu t-shirts they are going to send | Sep 21 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but should have enough for myself and my helpers I guess :) | Sep 21 00:35 |
| razielle_tzu | :3 | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: exactly travlling to London like nearly every week day hmm | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | from here hmm | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: but once or twice a week woudn't be to bad | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | however it costs to travel there, train sin't cheap, bus/coach isn't that cheap | Sep 21 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: nearly thursday to hmm | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I got to try and be funny etc then, since in a public speaking competiiton :d | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | I don't expect to win | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | but getting say 3rd place for those on the sot made up talks would be fun | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | and get intervied to and such which will be nice :D | Sep 21 00:38 |
| razielle_tzu | :D | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: there are some really good speakers doing that as well so | Sep 21 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | the chance at winning against them is rather unlikly | Sep 21 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | but since I saw it at the other one last Thursday and it all looked like fun, I thought ok let's do it this one | Sep 21 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: Ubuntu Touch OTA 13 is out now as well, but I haven't upgraded just yet | Sep 21 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: but once I do, I'll be able to copy and paste between the native apps, and the well Firefox Gimp Gedit Libe Office so libertine/xmir/arm stuff | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | that will be useful at times :) | Sep 21 00:41 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: it's quite something to follow a bit I think | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | software can be intersring like that | Sep 21 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | you know using something, that's updated reasonably quicly with new stuff, and then seeing progress | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | an update every six weeks or so, or so as in if delayed then well no longer | Sep 21 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | it can but like i said before Touch doesn't really interest me | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | why was that again | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | since you jdon't like Canonical ? | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well no free ubuntu t-shirt for you from me then :d, if I have enough | Sep 21 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | loco pack hmm :) | Sep 21 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | lol, i think i'll be ok | Sep 21 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | and it's not that i don't like canonical, i just prefer other distros | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: guess how many t- shirts I have here or roughly | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | and yes most of them are tech t- shirts | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | since FOSDEM and such | Sep 21 00:43 |
| cubexyz | https://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html | Sep 21 00:43 |
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| cubexyz | ;-) | Sep 21 00:43 |
| razielle_tzu | something like 20 | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: uh h eh h eh no | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I came back with like 15 t-shirts from FOSDEM 2014 :d | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | I remember that | Sep 21 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | or was that 2013 actsaully | Sep 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: turns out I have about 100 t -shirts now and that's all my t- shirts | Sep 21 00:44 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Sep 21 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: someone in my family thinks I have too much really | Sep 21 00:45 |
| razielle_tzu | heh, i don't have any tech t-shirts... just a couple of band ones | Sep 21 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | I bought some online as well | Sep 21 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | before from FSF shop and FSFE | Sep 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | plus I got a few Humble BUndle t-shirts now | Sep 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yep most of my t-shirts are geek in some way or the other | Sep 21 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: so yeah depending on how many t-shirts, I'll just take one maybe two for myself, and give away the rest :d | Sep 21 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | I hae bought a few Ubuntu t-shirts in the past myself as well | Sep 21 00:47 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/16/bofh_2016_episode_11/ | Sep 21 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: The case of the suspicious red icon • The Register | Sep 21 01:30 | |
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| MinceR | (short-lived link) http://krautchan.net/files/1474418049001.jpg | Sep 21 01:35 |
| cubexyz | dumb typo | Sep 21 01:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 21 01:35 |
| MinceR | now the first one works | Sep 21 01:36 |
| cubexyz | doh | Sep 21 01:36 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-did-not-shutdown-successfully.jpg | Sep 21 01:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778360222251356160 | Sep 21 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google wants to show Samsung and Huawei what Android | Sep 21 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | should look like https://t.co/Um6pG2kWWn (news.vice.com) | Sep 21 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.vice.com | Google wants to show Samsung and Huawei what Android should look like | VICE News | Sep 21 01:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778375670552408064 | Sep 21 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/y0AhtuOxf7 | Sep 21 01:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 21 01:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778375671781416961 | Sep 21 01:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat News https://t.co/L4OT8VRsuW | Sep 21 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good news | Sep 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | someone just posted this in diaspora | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even look for it, it was just there | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I think he works or used to work for Canonical | Sep 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | Having trouble loading it. | Sep 21 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's indexed in Bing News though, of all placed. | Sep 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/7870566 | Sep 21 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karim_khelouiati@framasphere.org: #Linux #Microsoft #Lenovo #arnaque Impossible d'installer LINUX sur les nouveaux Lenovo http://fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ | Sep 21 09:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ http://fossboss.com/2016/09/21/windows-10-signature-edition-blocks-installing-linux/ ) | Sep 21 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | well done, you gave them a scandal | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft too is implicated | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | ruins the "loves Linux" BS | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I shall link to it from Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/778507377926664192 | Sep 21 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz Hadrian's firewall... | Sep 21 09:18 | |
| schestowitz | damn, that site is down now | Sep 21 09:18 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. it came back up | Sep 21 09:21 |
| schestowitz | I think me linking to it takes it over capacity | Sep 21 09:21 |
| schestowitz | or maybe it's hot in some site like /. or others... | Sep 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496412614995968 | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phones and Tablets https://t.co/34xlqOUgaK | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Officially Released for All Ubuntu Phones and Tablets | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778496413965574144 | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arduino https://t.co/tUoGbtUHTM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source machine vision board and robot run Linux and Arduino | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778509278441246720 | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/ni36Fzlkk8 (fossboss.com) | Sep 21 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 09:23 | |
| DaemonFC | [–]tudorapo 2 points an hour ago | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Why is it good to buy a microsoft signature pc? Is it cheaper, has special features, comes in red, with a supercharger and hood scoops? | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Just asking, i am not familiar with these fancy things here in the medieval times. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | A Microsoft Signature PC is supposed to be a special version of an OEM's regular model that comes without any crapware. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | According to an article I read, there can be over thirty crap programs included on the average retail PC, including trial versions, questionable utilities, self-promoting spam from the OEM, etc. Strangely enough, Microsoft excluded trial copies of MS Office from the requirement to not have bloatware. So I did have one program to uninstall. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, "Signature" is now going to mean "only runs Windows", and since all computers OEMs put in the Microsoft Store have to be "Signature", that's all of those, and maybe the OEMs will decide to lock down the non-Signature models too so they don't have to maintain two BIOSes. So eventually there may not be a safe place to buy an OEM PC. | Sep 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | wait until they extend the programme | Sep 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | to further limit GNU/Linux installations | Sep 21 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | Non-signature might soon mean "only runs Windows" and 30 crap programs pre-installed... | Sep 21 09:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it spreads widely in social [control] media now | Sep 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz | so this incident has started a Web-wide debate | Sep 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz | and I think it's just the start | Sep 21 09:27 |
| cubexyz | as long as you can usb boot, or cd boot, you're OK | Sep 21 09:27 |
| cubexyz | otherwise yes that is a problem | Sep 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | [–]r1243 2 points an hour ago | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | shit | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | yoga 510 signature or not? hope European consumer protection will fuck them up | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreplied | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | https://askubuntu.com/questions/790122/suspend-not-working-on-lenovo-yoga-510-15isk | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | Judging from this, you'll probably get Linux working, but with severe power management problems, like the laptop not going to sleep with the lid shut, or you open the lid and it doesn't wake up. | Sep 21 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | Suspend not working on Lenovo Yoga 510-15ISK - Ask Ubuntu | Sep 21 09:28 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | Adrian Kingsley-Hughes says he's looking into it. | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | User Actions | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Follow | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 09:29 | |
| DaemonFC | AdiKingsley-Hughes 🌐Verified account | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | @the_pc_doc | Sep 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | @ZomgPinkPonies thanks for this. Looking into it now. | Sep 21 09:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good | Sep 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | he has many followers | Sep 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | inc. the Windows camp | Sep 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93778 | Sep 21 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beware: Windows 10 Signature Edition Blocks Installing Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 21 09:33 | |
| cubexyz | chromebook + crouton is looking better and better these days | Sep 21 09:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/778512243180830720 | Sep 21 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz Hmm | Sep 21 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, now it does split view apparently | Sep 21 09:36 |
| schestowitz | not that I tried ti | Sep 21 09:36 |
| schestowitz | requires a plugin I think | Sep 21 09:36 |
| schestowitz | which means requiring that you create a google account to sign in, can't do it as "guest" | Sep 21 09:36 |
| cubexyz | that's ok | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | we have two chromebooks here | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Acer | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | and one HP standard laptop | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | the chromebooks serve us well with GNU/Linux on them | Sep 21 09:37 |
| cubexyz | also InaTux Computers builds coreboot systems | Sep 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | one of these cost just 99 pounds | Sep 21 09:37 |
| cubexyz | http://inatux.com/?gnu | Sep 21 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fully Free Software Compatible GNU/Linux Systems! - InaTux Computers | Sep 21 09:37 | |
| cubexyz | I've seen used ones on ebay for about $75 | Sep 21 09:40 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know they were still active | Sep 21 09:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I remember what you did to Foxconn around 2008 | Sep 21 09:44 |
| cubexyz | ok, I just sent them a message so we'll see | Sep 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I think they were not even widely known before that | Sep 21 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | Update: The Lenovo employee posted about locking the thread. Basically, he called me disruptive and then said that if they had to, they would turn on pre-approval so that nobody can comment until they've read it and have made sure it won't embarrass them. Nice, huh? Don't address the issue. Don't say anything about whether the problem will be fixed. Don't re-open the thread. Just threaten and bully people with the "We can make sure your | Sep 21 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | posts are never seen." option. | Sep 21 09:50 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 21 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/raphaellaN/status/778518725997715456 | Sep 21 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@raphaellaN: @schestowitz @goddersbloom students are expected to be exposed to different thoughts,views and mature enough to analyse and debate. | Sep 21 09:58 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got a PM from Alexander J. Martin of The Register. | Sep 21 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | from alexanderjmartin sent just now | Sep 21 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | We've been on top of Lenovo's BIOS mischief in the past too: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nasty/ | Sep 21 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | CAUGHT: Lenovo crams unremovable crapware into Windows laptops – by hiding it in the BIOS • The Register | Sep 21 10:00 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I replied. | Sep 21 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | Is there a way that you could please cover this? Lenovo is stonewalling us on this and trying to delete evidence. If you can quote the archived versions of their forum so they are as close to what was actually said as possible, that would be best. | Sep 21 10:02 |
| cubexyz | I have a question: who writes the lenovo bios? | Sep 21 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | Hi /u/BaronHK, | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Great post on Lenovo's dodgy signature edition locks. I'm a journalist at The Register and am chasing up the issue with Lenovo and Microsoft at the moment. Are you available for a phone call regarding the issue as it affected your purchase? My number is 020 3714 1082 if you are interested in talking about it. | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | With my thanks for your time, Alexander | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | to alexanderjmartin sent just now | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I can probably do one tomorrow. It's 4 AM my time and I should have been in bed hours ago. I'm afraid I also don't have international calling. I could probably get in touch with you over Skype or you could call me? I'll be available probably around 8 PM in Chicago. | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you! | Sep 21 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I send him another reply saying I could answer questions in an email if he would send them to me. | Sep 21 10:05 |
| cubexyz | probably it's AMI | Sep 21 10:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: excellent! | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Let me know of any articles you see about it | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | in Diaspora I see people mentioning it | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | that's how I found the fossboss one | Sep 21 10:08 |
| schestowitz | try to look for more coverage, this way it'll become mainstream news | Sep 21 10:08 |
| cubexyz | AMI is basically a Microsoft shop | Sep 21 10:10 |
| cubexyz | they use microsoft tools for everything | Sep 21 10:10 |
| cubexyz | visual studio with nmake | Sep 21 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | rom KTL175 via /r/linux sent 20 minutes ago | Sep 21 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | Can someone please ELI5: ? Is this along the same lines as wireless companies preventing you from unlocking your phone? | Sep 21 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually worse. The PC has always been an "open" platform and meant for general purpose computing. Before Microsoft imposed UEFI BIOS (bugs and all), Secure Boot, and now restrictions like the one introduced into Lenovo's UEFI BIOS firmware, we sometimes had problems running Linux on a PC, but with workarounds, usually involving watching how Windows handled things, Linux eventually worked pretty well on most computers. Since UEFI | Sep 21 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | replaced the traditional BIOS, we've had a huge mess on our hands, sometimes even when the computer isn't trying to stop Linux from installing or running. This new Microsoft restriction on general purpose PCs is, I believe, the first step in making a PC more like an iPhone. First they will take away our ability to run other operating systems, then they'll eventually impose restrictions on what you can install, maybe even forcing us to use | Sep 21 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows Store, where they decide what programs are allowed in, then siphon off 30% of the developers profits, add no value, and make software more expensive for everybody. Does anyone really want to live in that world? | Sep 21 10:12 |
| cubexyz | so one good question is: does your BIOS at least have legacy boot? | Sep 21 10:13 |
| cubexyz | if not, don't buy | Sep 21 10:14 |
| cubexyz | most of the AMI BIOSes have legacy boot, I know that much | Sep 21 10:15 |
| cubexyz | cedar trail. ivy bridge, sandy bridge microarch all should have it | Sep 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | from SAKUJ0 via /r/linux sent 3 minutes ago | Sep 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | You can always just use Windows 10 and use the Ubuntu linux environment inside of Windows 10 :^) | Sep 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK[S] 1 point just now | Sep 21 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | No GUI programs work. It's basically bash and programs that run in the terminal. It's not really what most people think when they hear "Windows Subsystem for Linux". In fact, I doubt that the compatibility and performance are very good considering it's new and Microsoft reimplemented Linux APIs without using any Linux code (which would subject them to the terms of the GNU General Public License. The Windows Subsystem for Linux is not an | Sep 21 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | answer. It's a joke. A very bad joke. | Sep 21 10:20 |
| cubexyz | ok, now AFTER sandy bridge era things get murky | Sep 21 10:20 |
| cubexyz | I greped the leaked AMI source, and there's NO MENTION of legacy boot in Luna Pier | Sep 21 10:21 |
| cubexyz | in the 2003 era AMI bios there were many references to Redhat 8.0 testing | Sep 21 10:28 |
| cubexyz | but on the other side of the coin Lenovo also sells chromebooks... | Sep 21 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | I guess that later today or tomorrow Lenovo will be in the news | Sep 21 10:44 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't necessarily boycott lenovo | Sep 21 10:44 |
| cubexyz | just those models with locked down bioses | Sep 21 10:45 |
| cubexyz | lenovo chromebooks at least would have developer mode | Sep 21 10:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I wrote this to Alexander Martin. I also told him to call me late this evening. | Sep 21 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the stuff that I know about the issue with these systems, I actually learned from the Lenovo Support Forum thread that is linked in the Reddit post. I tried booting up several Linux live images. The usual. Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian. I couldn’t install to anything because the SSD never came up. There’s an NVMe SSD in these laptops, which Linux supports. And I understand you should be able to see it in /dev/nvme0 or something l | Sep 21 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | ike that, but no, nothing. And the usual commands like to check for PCI-E devices showed no SSD there. So I went to the forums and learned that Lenovo locked it to some sort of RAID mode, and then they not only patched the system firmware setup utility to hide the option to put it into AHCI mode (in fact, there’s no storage device mode settings in there at all), but they apparently wrote more code to put it back in RAID mode if you go | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | t cute and tried setting the mode to AHCI in EFI Shell. So everything that I was likely to think of to work around the issue, and probably more, was covered in the support thread. And none of it worked. Somewhere along the way, a Lenovo support person said they escalated it to the BIOS development team. That was months ago. No word on anything yet. The latest BIOS revision posted in the drivers section is version 5 from April. My PC is | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | running version 8 dated June 22. No release notes from Lenovo along the way. Nothing like that. So they’ve had this computer on the market for nearly a year, revised the BIOS 8 times. We know they patched out the setting and wrote more code to force it to stay in RAID mode. If they wanted this fixed, it would be fixed. I even reached out to Matthew Garrett who suggested that maybe Linux just doesn’t support driving an AHCI device | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | in RAID mode. So I became exasperated and left a one star review on Best Buy, which it pained me to do. This system has some really awesome hardware in it. A Lenovo employee responded and said that the laptop is “locked” due to their “Signature Edition” agreement for Windows 10 with Microsoft. | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So that got my blood boiling. | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So I’ve been in this conversation on Lenovo’s forums and a guy said that he modded the BIOS and used an external flasher to get around Lenovo’s signature checks and put it in AHCI mode. The code was all still there, just hidden. He reported that Windows and Linux both run great on his machine. | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So, Linux doesn’t support the RAID mode, but it does support the AHCI mode that this guy managed to unlock on his device (but the solution wouldn’t scale because of the complexity of doing all of that), so this combined with Lenovo’s response to my Best Buy review tells us that Microsoft wanted them to break Linux, and this was a way to break Linux. (Some people are confusing this with Secure Boot, which you can turn off on | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | this machine, but which is not the problem. Linux boots in Secure Boot mode or with it off. ) And it’s a way to break Linux that makes Linux look like it might be the party at fault. It’s not like it would be the first time they had the idea. There was the infamous AARD code. (Makes for a good Wikipedia read.) | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | So, is Microsoft telling their PC OEM partners to break Linux in ways that make people think it’s problems with Linux? It’s plausible. Especially since Lenovo told me they “locked” the computer. This is a really awful and hacky way to “lock” it, but whatever gets the job done. Right? | Sep 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, time to get some sleep. | Sep 21 11:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778529905797718016 | Sep 21 11:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stock Android might have a Restart option starting with Android 7.1 - GSMArena.com news | Sep 21 11:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778529951502966784 | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Best Linux Desktop for Customization | Sep 21 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/j5d24eH6fG (www.datamation.com) | Sep 21 11:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778535304517054464 | Sep 21 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux | Sep 21 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Installations https://t.co/72iFzocavy (techrights.org) | Sep 21 11:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 11:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations...' | Sep 21 11:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 11:15 | |
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| schestowitz | hi, hi | Sep 21 11:27 |
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| chub | o/ saw this chan get dropped in a reddit discussion over ms/lenovo shittery, though i would lurk for discussion | Sep 21 11:37 |
| chub | with rms in your header how can you go wrong :) | Sep 21 11:38 |
| cubexyz | there's some good info here: | Sep 21 11:48 |
| cubexyz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Yoga_900 | Sep 21 11:48 |
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| cubexyz | evidently you can install Linux on an earlier version | Sep 21 11:48 |
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| hl | Oh hell, is this a whole channel full of people who see red when confronted with restrictive code signing practices? | Sep 21 11:57 |
| hl | Greetings. | Sep 21 11:57 |
| cubexyz | oh they are messing around with the BIOS for sure | Sep 21 12:04 |
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| Sophira | Hi. | Sep 21 12:05 |
| schestowitz | affect intellectual prop | Sep 21 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/778550115501940737 | Sep 21 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jhamby: Warning: Microsoft Doesn't Want You To Install #Linux On Its "Signature PCs". Not cool! cc @schestowitz @DanielEran https://t.co/dVq0dMHvBf | Sep 21 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/778538056781406208 | Sep 21 12:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux | Sep 21 12:13 |
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| cubexyz | all the "don't buy Lenovo" comments are a bit silly though | Sep 21 12:14 |
| cubexyz | just avoid the problem models like Yoga-13ISK2 | Sep 21 12:15 |
| Tervy | its more moral question that should people fund such company what does things like this | Sep 21 12:16 |
| Tervy | was it intentional or not | Sep 21 12:17 |
| cubexyz | not defending Lenovo, just pointing out they build chromebooks with coreboot | Sep 21 12:17 |
| Tervy | thats true that people should not forget good deeds to industry but is it still right to backstab for money | Sep 21 12:21 |
| Tervy | well backstab is wrong word maybe | Sep 21 12:21 |
| Tervy | but play on both teams maybe | Sep 21 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | Can someone say in short what Lenovo exactly did? | Sep 21 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | Something to do with BIOS? | Sep 21 12:22 |
| XRevan86 | Forced Secure Boot maybe? | Sep 21 12:22 |
| Tervy | there is no official statement as far as i know .. nor anyone have properly reverse-engineered the reason for such activity | Sep 21 12:23 |
| hl | So I actually built a wiki to track this sort of crap recently | Sep 21 12:23 |
| hl | https://violations.devever.net/w/Lenovo_Laptops/V2 | Sep 21 12:23 |
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| hl | just added this. | Sep 21 12:23 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently I guessed right: Forced Secure Boot. | Sep 21 12:24 |
| cubexyz | Linux can't be installed on certain SSD when it operates in RAID mode | Sep 21 12:24 |
| XRevan86 | with disabled signature changing | Sep 21 12:24 |
| cubexyz | some hackers have modded it already but it's a big pain to fix it | Sep 21 12:25 |
| cubexyz | they use clips so they don't need to desolder the chip | Sep 21 12:27 |
| cubexyz | better to avoid it I'd say | Sep 21 12:28 |
| cubexyz | if it was socketed that would be a bit safer | Sep 21 12:29 |
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| cubexyz | http://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey | Sep 21 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yoga 900 13isk2 Linux Support - Album on Imgur | Sep 21 12:33 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/lenovo-yoga-900-running-fedora.png | Sep 21 12:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Weird partitioning. | Sep 21 12:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ah, it's not yours apparently | Sep 21 12:40 |
| cubexyz | I'd never run out and buy one in the first place :) | Sep 21 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: True :). | Sep 21 12:42 |
| cubexyz | there's a fair about of discussion going on in http://www.bios-mods.com about this stuff | Sep 21 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bios-mods.com | Bios Mods -The Best BIOS Update and Modification Source | Sep 21 12:44 | |
| cubexyz | years ago I did a coreboot project of my own | Sep 21 12:44 |
| Tervy | Hi looking that your sites violationsList | Sep 21 12:45 |
| Tervy | do people really complain about aspect ratio ? | Sep 21 12:45 |
| cubexyz | so if I see that there's no support in coreboot, then I'm automatically on my guard | Sep 21 12:46 |
| hl | Tervy: it's just a pet peeve of mine. | Sep 21 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I've been reading the articles. Most of them present the basic facts. Paul Thurrott was in full tilt mode this morning. | Sep 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | ah, yes, you move to chicago | Sep 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | probably defending Microsoft, as usual | Sep 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | do you see any press articles? | Sep 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I just got back home, haven't checked yet | Sep 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I did what I could since yesterday to spread the word about this, I think it'll spread to more OEMs unless there's public shaming | Sep 21 17:02 |
| MinceR | i think it will spread anyway | Sep 21 17:03 |
| MinceR | humans want to live like north koreans | Sep 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Ah, Adrian Kingsley | Sep 21 17:03 |
| MinceR | crippled is cool | Sep 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | he just wrote about it | Sep 21 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | my wife is posting it to tuxmachines right now | Sep 21 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yes. Lenovo carefully denied everything. Careful wording. | Sep 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I see "updated" in Adrian Kingsley's headline | Sep 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | it means Lenovo or Microsoft figured out their official excuse | Sep 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | which I haven't yet read about | Sep 21 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo did. No comment from Microsoft yet. | Sep 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | "To improve system performance, Lenovo is leading an industry trend of adopting RAID on the SSDs in certain product configurations. Lenovo does not intentionally block customers using other operating systems on its devices and is fully committed to providing Linux certifications and installation guidance on a wide range of products -https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Unsupported models will rely on Linux operating system | Sep 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | vendors releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD." | Sep 21 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.lenovo.com | Linux for Personal Systems - Lenovo Support (US) | Sep 21 17:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Oops. | Sep 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | "To improve system performance, Lenovo is leading an industry trend of adopting RAID on the SSDs in certain product configurations. Lenovo does not intentionally block customers using other operating systems on its devices and is fully committed to providing Linux certifications and installation guidance on a wide range of products -https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Unsupported models will rely on Linux operating system | Sep 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | vendors releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD." | Sep 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tom_peters/status/778591782812708864 | Sep 21 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tom_peters: .@DrJillStein @schestowitz @GovGaryJohnson This is a one-issue election: Defeat Trump. | Sep 21 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 21 17:07 |
| MinceR | http://qdb.us/310743 | Sep 21 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qdb.us | QDB: Quote #310743 | Sep 21 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | It's a single SSD system. I looked at benchmarks with these things in AHCI and RAID mode and there wasn't a significant performance improvement. Linux needs "drivers". Yeah, for complex setup that applies to like three Lenovo laptops... Other Ultrabook makers let you put it in AHCI mode and that's that. | Sep 21 17:07 |
| MinceR | how many SSDs are in that piece of junk anyway? | Sep 21 17:08 |
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| Broam | and we all know softraid sucks anyway | Sep 21 17:08 |
| MinceR | oh, single | Sep 21 17:08 |
| schestowitz | OK, so Lenovo blames Microsoft | Sep 21 17:08 |
| Broam | So that's RAID what, -1? | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | good | Sep 21 17:09 |
| MinceR | that most useful of RAID modes, using an array with a single member | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | and says Microsoft is requiring this | Sep 21 17:09 |
| MinceR | Broam: something like that | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | so much for "Mirosoft loves Linux" then | Sep 21 17:09 |
| Broam | well, it's all left hand / right hand. | Sep 21 17:09 |
| schestowitz | This morning I asked the Linux Foundation for their comment and added a snide remark about them taking money from Microsoft (which they do, so expect silence) | Sep 21 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | has anyone set up a petition or something to that effect, or asked regulators to look into it? | Sep 21 17:11 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, there was a lawsuit in Spain over UEFI | Sep 21 17:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe they should revisit the lawsuits in light of these latest developments | Sep 21 17:11 |
| MinceR | why, what did the regulators did about internet explorer forcing? | Sep 21 17:11 |
| MinceR | jack shit | Sep 21 17:11 |
| MinceR | humanity is ripe for extinction | Sep 21 17:12 |
| MinceR | s/s did/s do/ | Sep 21 17:12 |
| MinceR | they don't want to be free and they don't want to survive, so let them die | Sep 21 17:13 |
| Broam | you forgot your /g so here it is | Sep 21 17:13 |
| Broam | ;) | Sep 21 17:13 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-reportedly-blocking-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs/ | Sep 21 17:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | ZDNet | Sep 21 17:13 | |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK JUST NOW | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's a single SSD system. I looked at benchmarks with these things in AHCI and RAID mode and there wasn't a significant performance improvement. | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | Linux needs "drivers". Yeah, for complex and braindead stupid setup that applies to like three Lenovo laptops... Other Ultrabook makers let you put it in AHCI mode and that's that. No special drivers needed. Not Lenovo. They removed the AHCI option and then wrote new code to keep you from setting AHCI mode from EFI shell. Now they're saying they support Linux while saying "We don't support it." on these Ultrabooks. This response is such | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | nonsense. I honestly expected better. | Sep 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | My reply to their reply... | Sep 21 17:13 |
| MinceR | ooh, zdnet | Sep 21 17:13 |
| MinceR | is it worth reading their spin at all? | Sep 21 17:13 |
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| MinceR | https://scontent.ftsr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14440720_538746749667522_1913104263022370491_n.jpg?oh=3d60381a5915ec163123d8cc703eb032&oe=586C401C | Sep 21 17:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629086465945600 | Sep 21 17:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 17:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/iT9zvdrqzZ | Sep 21 17:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Sep 21 17:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2016/09/21/microsoft-blocking-linux/ | Sep 21 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Microsoft is now blocking laptops from installing Linux | Sep 21 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-said-to-ban-linux-on-windows-10-signature-edition-pcs-508494.shtml | Sep 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Said to Ban Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs | Sep 21 17:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://mspoweruser.com/lenovo-denies-blocking-linux-windows-10-pcs/ | Sep 21 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo denies blocking Linux on its Windows 10 PCs - MSPoweruser | Sep 21 17:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37431299 | Sep 21 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo's Signature laptops refuse to install Linux - BBC News | Sep 21 17:30 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-home-signature-editions-lenovo-yogas-locked-to-disallow-linux-installations | Sep 21 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-name lookup timed out ( status 0 @ http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-home-signature-editions-lenovo-yogas-locked-to-disallow-linux-installations ) | Sep 21 17:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://techgage.com/news/if-youre-a-linux-user-be-wary-of-microsofts-signature-pcs/ | Sep 21 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If You’re A Linux User, Be Wary Of Microsoft’s ‘Signature’ PCs – Techgage | Sep 21 17:32 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/778632158055374848 | Sep 21 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: This can only mean that Windows 10 is sinking like the Titanic. https://t.co/8BS14aE7NK | Sep 21 17:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It is very clear that #microsoft lawyers crafted a war on #gnu #linux on the desktop, yet again. Ask #lenovo https://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 | Sep 21 17:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/cant-install-linux-microsoft-signature-edition-laptop | Sep 21 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | You Can't Install Linux on a Microsoft Signature Edition Laptop - OMG! Ubuntu! | Sep 21 17:37 | |
| Tervy | didnt see this posted yet http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/21/lenovo_denies_plot_with_microsoft_to_block_linux_installs/ | Sep 21 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Lenovo denies claims it plotted with Microsoft to block Linux installs • The Register | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629382357344256 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/UmtYq9YE2i | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) | Sep 21 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 21 17:41 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature...' | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778629466427953152 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UmtYq9YE2i (www.linux.com) | Sep 21 17:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778630022466826240 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft Reportedly Requires “Signature PCs” To Be | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Locked To Only Running Windows https://t.co/kFydstVodw | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Reportedly Requires "Signature PCs" To Be Locked To Only Running Windows - Phoronix | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635207326871553 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Its “Signature PCs” https://t.co/fTCZnuEd0n | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On Its “Signature PCs” | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635208430014465 | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635209558241280 | Sep 21 17:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Sep 21 17:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/iXaLVcRgIR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beginning Grep for Linux SysAdmins | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ts13/lenovo_responds_we_dont_intentionally_block_linux/ | Sep 21 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo responds: We don't intentionally block Linux, but operating system vendors are responsible for releasing new kernel and drivers to support features such as RAID on SSD : linux | Sep 21 17:42 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Lenovo threw their employee under the bus. | Sep 21 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Unfortunately, I cannot confirm our relationship to the person at Best Buy." | Sep 21 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Part of Lenovo's response. | Sep 21 17:43 |
| razielle_tzu | this shit is a mess | Sep 21 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 21 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | They throw their own employee under the bus. Wow. Stay classy, Lenovo! | Sep 21 17:44 |
| Tervy | i surely hope it grows bigger | Sep 21 17:44 |
| Tervy | is there way to pastebin those url neatly on same place.. id love to send link package to local media outlets | Sep 21 17:45 |
| razielle_tzu | create your own by c/p-ing them? | Sep 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Tervy: yes, it might | Sep 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | depending on how they handle it | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | deleting forum threads was unwise | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | not everyone who works as mod in a "corporate" setting understands the Streisand Effect | Sep 21 17:47 |
| Tervy | i sent small link package to 1 outlet when this shitshow startted with just google cache link and screenshots from there and there | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | it just served to show they had no decent response and were covering something up | Sep 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | which in turn becomes a key part of the story | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft planned this for more OEMs | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | the exposure can force them to rethink | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | and more importantly, it undermines their "Microsoft loves Linux" PR campaign | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | which they spent a lot of money on | Sep 21 17:48 |
| schestowitz | buying keynote positions with sponsorships and such... and kitschy buttons they hand out, journalists they greased up via their PR agency | Sep 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | my colleagues already heard of this story | Sep 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even tell them anything, so I guess it has spread beyond the US and it's now known about in the UK | Sep 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "well i saw a story you were mentioned in" -colleague | Sep 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "the laptops in the office are lenovo" | Sep 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know this, as I work from home | Sep 21 17:50 |
| razielle_tzu | i think it might be brought up to me by the other staff member at my computer club | Sep 21 17:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635210833272833 | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ditching Microsoft Office? Tips on how to switch to | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreOffice https://t.co/XnmFgmjZjw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ditching Microsoft Office? Tips on how to switch to LibreOffice | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778635211948961793 | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Out, Here's What's New https://t.co/uPPpqJfkSA | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.22 "Karlsruhe" Desktop Environment Is Officially Out, Here's What's New | Tux Machines | Sep 21 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | just caught up with the 7 links above | Sep 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | rianne might add these to tuxmachines, there's probably more to come. surprised that even bbc covers it | Sep 21 17:53 |
| razielle_tzu | i'm keeping an eye on a few news feeds too but their links have already been posted.. i'm just watching for updates | Sep 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo's damage control is weak | Sep 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | defection | Sep 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | not even denial | Sep 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | can anyone find any more articles (not mentioned above)? | Sep 21 17:58 |
| razielle_tzu | so far no | Sep 21 17:58 |
| razielle_tzu | if i find anything i'll post it | Sep 21 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93792 | Sep 21 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | razielle_tzu: thanks | Sep 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | 8 in there, in addition to earlier coverage | Sep 21 18:02 |
| razielle_tzu | no problem, keeping an eye on the beeb news channel too | Sep 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | the more of them, the more pressure for Microsoft's lawyers to drop this NDA-hidden anti-Linux contract | Sep 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, these contracts are still secrets | Sep 21 18:03 |
| razielle_tzu | doubt it's gonna be mentioned on the bbc1 news update but it might get a mention in the tech update on bbc news | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | so Lenovo will try to blame some "rotten Apple" employees or Microsoft | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Although blaming Microsoft is risky for them | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | as Microsoft can start charging them more in retribution | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | reprisal | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | as DaemonFC said, they're shooting down their own cannon fodder staff | Sep 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | scapegoating them to make both Lenovo and Microsoft look innocent | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | BBC was gonna write about EPO sending me threats | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | but then it spiked the story | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | for unknown reasons, I can only speculate about them | Sep 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Sep 21 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Sep 21 18:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | [–]from RobertNAdams sent 6 hours ago | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Good day, | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | My name is Robert N. Adams and I write for TechRaptor.net, a gaming, technology, and tabletop site. | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm working on a news piece relating to the issue you are experiencing with the Yoga 900 and would like to ask you a few questions regarding your experience to use in the article. | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you believe that the inability to install Linux due to a BIOS setting is a deliberate choice by Lenovo or do you believe that it is a side effect of unrelated design decisions in the BIOS? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think the reasoning for these BIOs settings being in place is in the event that these BIOS settings were employed in the Yoga 900 at Microsoft's behest? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you feel that BIOS settings of this nature ought to be disclosed more clearly prior to purchasing of a product? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Do you have any further commentary on this matter? | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Anything you say may or may not be used as a portion of the news piece provided that I get a response from you in time. It also has to pass through editorial, and that means that your interview may be trimmed down for readability or cut entirely. The article itself may not go to press in a timely fashion or at all. It's unlikely, but it's a possibility that I want you to be aware of just in case things don't work out. | Sep 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I can full well understand that you may be reluctant to comment on this issue. If you would prefer not to answer any questions or state anything off the record that would be fine. I would really appreciate a "no comment" reply or similar if you would prefer not to say anything. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Regardless of your response, if the article goes to press it will indicate that I have reached out to you in this fashion. (It will state something like "We have reached out to the creator of the Reddit post.") Our editors are not yet awake, so I may also have follow-up questions in addition to these should you choose to respond and if we move forward with the article. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Lastly, I will be reaching out to the companies involved and I'm currently engaged in researching this topic myself. I will be doing a bit more than simply copy/pasting the content of your post or anything like that. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| Tervy | did this come here already http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/21/12994362/allo-privacy-message-logs-google | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | You can view my body of work on the site here: | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://techraptor.net/content/author/radams | Sep 21 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google backs off on previously announced Allo privacy feature - The Verge | Sep 21 18:16 | |
| DaemonFC | If you would like to verify my identity independent of this Reddit account, you can e-mail me at RobertNAdams@techraptor.net or send me a tweet at @Robert_N_Adams and I'll reply. I'll be available for the next few hours. I hope to hear back from you. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 18:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techraptor.net | Robert N. Adams, Author at TechRaptor | Sep 21 18:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Regards, | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Robert N. Adams | Sep 21 18:16 |
| schestowitz | well done getting the word out, DaemonFC | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | permalinkdeletereportblock usermark unreadreply | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | [–]to RobertNAdams sent just now | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Hello Robert, | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll try to answer your questions in order here. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that it was a deliberate design choice made by Lenovo, and I say that because the BIOS code that they use has AHCI mode available for the storage device, which Linux and Windows understand without any special drivers. Lenovo patched the code to remove the AHCI mode from the BIOS setup utility and then they wrote additional code to make sure that you can't set AHCI mode with an EFI variable using EFI shell. So, I'd say it's | Sep 21 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Tervy: not yet, thanks, will add it into our daily links in techrights | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | definitely deliberate, and can't see any LEGITIMATE reason why they would have. It isn't really faster, it makes recovering Windows from Microsoft's installer very difficult if you have to later. About the only thing putting a single SSD setup into RAID mode using the BIOS gives you is (a) Linux won't be able to use the storage and (b) greater potential for data loss. Also, given that the Lenovo employee said that they caused the issue to | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | "lock" the system to Windows per their agreement with Microsoft....Well, why wouldn't I believe them? Lenovo's official statement to the media has been "Unfortunately, [we] cannot confirm our relationship to the person at Best Buy.", and I find that odd because it said "Lenovo" on the signature of their reply. So they're throwing their employee under the bus. | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Microsoft and Lenovo agreed to lock Linux out, and forcing RAID mode accomplishes that. In the last 11 months, nobody except one Lenovo forum poster that used a modded BIOS and an external flasher to get around Lenovo's signature check on BIOS updates has managed to install Linux on the Yoga models affected by this. I believe that Lenovo and Microsoft figured that if Linux ever did get driver support for this configuration, | Sep 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | that it would be years after the product was released, so it might as well be forever. Most people replace their laptop every 5 years or less, so almost nobody would ever be able to run Linux on the Yoga laptops while in their designed service life. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that if you're going to sell someone a general purpose computer where installing an operating system is going to be difficult or impossible, you should have to say that on the packaging or on the website description. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I do have a further comment. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully worded. They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 21 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | One site has them blaming Linux vendors | Sep 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | for Linux being blocked | Sep 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | which is of course laughable | Sep 21 18:21 |
| schestowitz | site having load issues | Sep 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz | which is weird, it doesn't look so severe from the back end | Sep 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz | test: http://techrights.org/2016/09/20/whitewashing-the-investigative-unit/ | Sep 21 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s ‘Investigative’ Function is Totally Out of Control and Continues to Get Bigger, Whitewashed by So-called ‘Review’ | Techrights | Sep 21 18:23 | |
| schestowitz | ok, better after the httpd restart | Sep 21 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | mysqld still screaming, maybe something malicious, need to check to be sure.. | Sep 21 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | lots of cracking attempts, about 3 per second | Sep 21 18:24 |
| schestowitz | which is a lot more than usual | Sep 21 18:24 |
| Tervy | origin ? | Sep 21 18:26 |
| schestowitz | varnish cache | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to look at the cache front end | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and then figure it out from varnishlog streams, which takes a lot of time | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I think the site should work fine again, I added some blocks | Sep 21 18:30 |
| razielle_tzu | it's working | Sep 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | mysql using up 2-3 cores all the time | Sep 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz | varnish makes it complicated to add custom pages | Sep 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | over the past 20 minutes many people got error messages, nagios sent me lots of alerts | Sep 21 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "guru meditation" is not as informative as "try again later" | Sep 21 18:33 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/halloween-feast | Sep 21 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Halloween Feast | Sep 21 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | banality | Sep 21 18:53 |
| MinceR | fatality | Sep 21 18:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656834903302148 | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Its “Signature PCs” https://t.co/fTCZnuEd0n | Sep 21 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 19:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Warning: Microsoft Doesn’t Want You To Install Linux On Its “Signature PCs” | Tux Machines | Sep 21 19:07 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that too | Sep 21 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660093604814850 | Sep 21 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz yep! and UNIX | Sep 21 19:30 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660189075566592 | Sep 21 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz Lenovo is making shit and more shit in mobile also! | Sep 21 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | M Garrett has just defended Microsoft and Lenovo | Sep 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but that's exactly expected | Sep 21 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | also Microsoft boosters from IDG | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | trying to blame "storage woes" | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | pathetic | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | anything to defend Microsoft | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | as can be expected | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | and those who want to believe might actually believe | Sep 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660514960384000 https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778660793382477824 | Sep 21 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz if u try any other distro than debian based and some rpm on lenovo u will find MSDOS partition if u dont partition manually | Sep 21 19:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@schestowitz en EUFI re-enabled even if u disabled it before on vendor bios SOLUTION > LIBRE BOOT + DEBIAN | Sep 21 19:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861653 | Sep 21 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mozilla emits JavaScript debugger for Firefox and Chrome http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/20/mozilla_emits_javascript_debugger_for_firefox_and_chrome/ #mozilla #firefox | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Mozilla emits JavaScript debugger for Firefox and Chrome • The Register | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/09/introducing-debugger-html/ | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | debugger.html is a modern JavaScript debugger from Mozilla, built as a web application with React and Redux. | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | But React is under a free/libre license but with an exception for patents ! http://react-etc.net/entry/your-license-to-use-react-js-can-be-revoked-if-you-compete-with-facebook https://github.com/facebook/react/blob/master/PATENTS | Sep 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Introducing debugger.html ★ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-react-etc.net | Your license to use React.js can be revoked if you compete with Facebook | React, etc. Tech Stack | Sep 21 19:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-react/PATENTS at master · facebook/react · GitHub | Sep 21 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder how much this patents stuff will in practice be used by Facebook to attack forks | Sep 21 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | AFAIK, it's not really FOSS because of restrictions facebook added to it | Sep 21 19:38 |
| schestowitz | sneaky tactic | Sep 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778663488973602820 | Sep 21 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz UEFI, sorry f mistyping, wrote fast | Sep 21 19:40 | |
| MinceR | http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/09-SEP/MAD-Magazine-Trump-Skittles_57e14f78459c88.92792698.jpg | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | "sad news for a longtime thinkpad user… : (" | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | "Sad indeed. My idea pad was the first laptop I was puroud of.' | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | The Thinkpad T500 is one of the best free software laptop and now they are trying to block the system. | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Why? Wtf | Sep 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 21 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | IBM wouldn't have done this. | Sep 21 19:42 |
| MinceR | oh yes they would | Sep 21 19:42 |
| MinceR | they helped m$ to power, and now they're promoting crApple | Sep 21 19:43 |
| MinceR | fuck ibm | Sep 21 19:43 |
| MinceR | but use protection | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | IBM is dangerous | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | they're too smart for that | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | they'd sue companies with swpats | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | lobby for swpats | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | and maybe even liaise with enemies of Linux | Sep 21 19:43 |
| schestowitz | but what Lenovo does to UNIX and Linux people is dumb | Sep 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM would have enough people in there to forewarn | Sep 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and I guess other OEMs now watch what happens to Lenovo and say internally, "we must not accept this agreement from Microsoft" | Sep 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Sad…Lenovo Thinkpads was the best laptops to use with Gnu/Linux…" | Sep 21 19:45 |
| schestowitz | "Ok, Is it possible that the same machines sold in Europe to not have the same locked BIOS ? http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-transform-windows-pc-windows-signature-pc" | Sep 21 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 19:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalcitizen.life | How to Transform a Windows PC Into a Microsoft Signature PC | Sep 21 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | Either way, Lenovo demonstrate bad faith and UNIX/Linux people need to punish Lenovo for it (also for servers/mobile, they bought IBM's units) | Sep 21 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861056 | Sep 21 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo malware, spying and various other recent scandals (now locking/shutting #gnu #linux out) serve to remind us to boycott Lenovo. | Sep 21 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | "Okay." | Sep 21 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7855907 | Sep 21 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Discord at #Libreboot Over #GNU Withdrawal http://fossforce.com/2016/09/discord-at-libreboot-over-gnu-withdrawal/ "lead developer who is out-of-control." | Sep 21 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | "Ugh! Wow…" | Sep 21 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fossforce.com | Discord at Libreboot Over GNU Withdrawal | FOSS Force | Sep 21 19:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7853336 | Sep 21 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dissent against #Libreboot developer Leah Rowe http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html #fsf #freesw | Sep 21 19:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> zammit.org | Libreboot screwup | Sep 21 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | "Leah Rowe is wrong" | Sep 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I guess this news got buried by now, partly because of the bootgate of Lenovo | Sep 21 19:48 |
| schestowitz | http://cup.efl.com/# | Sep 21 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ http://cup.efl.com/# ) | Sep 21 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Will Manchester City retain the EFL Cup in 2016/17?" | Sep 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know they had taken it... | Sep 21 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 21 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 20:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blogisch/status/778668896018726912 | Sep 21 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blogisch: @schestowitz more on https://t.co/DmvR3gMR3D | Sep 21 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: seen several more articles by now | Sep 21 20:02 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I posted on Lenovo's forum again... | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I posted on Lenovo's forum again... | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I like how he admits he doesn't know for sure and then speculates that it may be related to power management. | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I like how he admits he doesn't know for sure and then speculates that it may be related to power management. | Sep 21 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 21 20:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | But then he insists that it's not Lenovo trying to lock out other operating systems. How does he know? | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | But then he insists that it's not Lenovo trying to lock out other operating systems. How does he know? | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Even if the device would get worse battery life (which we don't know that it would, and nobody who booted up Linux on the ISK model or Live on the ISK2 reported their laptop "melting"), it should be up to the user. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Even if the device would get worse battery life (which we don't know that it would, and nobody who booted up Linux on the ISK model or Live on the ISK2 reported their laptop "melting"), it should be up to the user. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | He says that if his hunch is right, it's a cheap hack to work around lousy power management in the default Windows storage driver, and Lenovo probably did it to prevent a user from ending up toggling it in the BIOS setup program by mistake and ending up with Windows not booting, or lousy power management if it did. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | He says that if his hunch is right, it's a cheap hack to work around lousy power management in the default Windows storage driver, and Lenovo probably did it to prevent a user from ending up toggling it in the BIOS setup program by mistake and ending up with Windows not booting, or lousy power management if it did. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | If it was to prevent a clueless user from ending up in that situation where Windows wouldn't boot if they toggled it to AHCI mode, then why did Lenovo write code to make sure that if you used an EFI variable to set it, that it would switch it back to RAID? Is a user that doesn't know what they're doing likely to be in the EFI shell? | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | If it was to prevent a clueless user from ending up in that situation where Windows wouldn't boot if they toggled it to AHCI mode, then why did Lenovo write code to make sure that if you used an EFI variable to set it, that it would switch it back to RAID? Is a user that doesn't know what they're doing likely to be in the EFI shell? | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Do we know Linux has lousy power management like Windows does? I don't think we know that at this point. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Do we know Linux has lousy power management like Windows does? I don't think we know that at this point. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if we could install Linux and test the hypothesis out, but unfortunately, *someone* made sure that we can't install Linux and see. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if we could install Linux and test the hypothesis out, but unfortunately, *someone* made sure that we can't install Linux and see. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully constructed. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think that Lenovo's official reply is insufficient and carefully constructed. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don't support Linux on many of their own laptops. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Actions speak louder than words, and there's no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn't be great Linux machines. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | I also think that locking down the thread and editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being "disruptive" was uncalled for, and they're obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I'm at fault for what they did. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC | And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses. | Sep 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Sep 21 20:05 | |
| DaemonFC | But if you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | But if you want to take Lenovo's word for it, then who am I to argue with the company that said Superfish wasn't a security problem. Who do they have doing their PR? The Iraqi Information Minister? | Sep 21 20:05 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-19 | Sep 21 20:10 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-19 | Sep 21 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hire Agile Programmers - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-19 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 21 20:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hire Agile Programmers - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-19 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 21 20:10 | |
| MinceR | 21 204334 < schestowitz> but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 20:10 |
| MinceR | 21 204334 < schestowitz> but they wouldn't do anti-Linux things | Sep 21 20:10 |
| MinceR | shilling for crApple is an "anti-Linux thing" | Sep 21 20:10 |
| MinceR | shilling for crApple is an "anti-Linux thing" | Sep 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | not directly | Sep 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | not directly | Sep 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | they made an "enterprise" liaison | Sep 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | they made an "enterprise" liaison | Sep 21 20:12 |
| MinceR | one that was completely unnecessary | Sep 21 20:13 |
| MinceR | one that was completely unnecessary | Sep 21 20:13 |
| MinceR | and one that doesn't help ibm in any way | Sep 21 20:13 |
| MinceR | and one that doesn't help ibm in any way | Sep 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Agile" buzzword | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Agile" buzzword | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: my wife saw that earlier | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: my wife saw that earlier | Sep 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | she liked the first comment | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | she liked the first comment | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: is it a meaningful one? | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: is it a meaningful one? | Sep 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 21 20:15 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 21 20:15 |
| schestowitz | dunno? | Sep 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | dunno? | Sep 21 20:16 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 21 20:16 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | the PHBs keep coming up with stupid words | Sep 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | the PHBs keep coming up with stupid words | Sep 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | turns out they're either synonyms or some business school terms | Sep 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | turns out they're either synonyms or some business school terms | Sep 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I guess if they're agile, they'll fall more quickly out the window... or something | Sep 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I guess if they're agile, they'll fall more quickly out the window... or something | Sep 21 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7871009 | Sep 21 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 20:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 21/9/2016: #Lenovo Helps #Microsoft Block #GNU #Linux Installations http://techrights.org/2016/09/21/links-2192016-lenovo-helps-microsoft-block-gnulinux-installlations/ | Sep 21 20:21 | |
| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schestowitz." | Sep 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schestowitz." | Sep 21 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 21/9/2016: Lenovo Helps Microsoft Block GNU/Linux Installations | Techrights | Sep 21 20:21 | |
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| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776estowitz." | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | "I think too. I agree with Dr. Schhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776estowitz." | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776 | Sep 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7861776 | Sep 21 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #x86 should in general be shunned and phased out, over time, for it contains back doors (ME) since 2009 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences | Sep 21 20:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #x86 should in general be shunned and phased out, over time, for it contains back doors (ME) since 2009 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences | Sep 21 20:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights | Sep 21 20:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights | Sep 21 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656839697301504 | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/fabiocs/status/778656839697301504 | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @fabiocs Edition PCs (updated) https://t.co/xKQiXFMR8Q | Sep 21 20:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo reportedly blocking Linux on Windows 10 Signature Edition PCs (updated) | Tux Machines | Sep 21 20:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 20:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 20:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Tux Machines | Sep 21 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <DaemonFC> Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <DaemonFC> Matthew Garrett made a post: | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | The replies are better than the post | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | The replies are better than the post | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | see the first one for example | Sep 21 20:45 |
| schestowitz | see the first one for example | Sep 21 20:45 |
| MinceR | strange, he was capable of recognizing how IPMI sucked | Sep 21 21:05 |
| MinceR | strange, he was capable of recognizing how IPMI sucked | Sep 21 21:05 |
| MinceR | but not how uefi and this RAID-(-1) sucks | Sep 21 21:05 |
| MinceR | but not how uefi and this RAID-(-1) sucks | Sep 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | convenient excuses for those who need excuses, I guess | Sep 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | convenient excuses for those who need excuses, I guess | Sep 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | helps obfuscate even further what's in the deal behind NDA and why these choices were made | Sep 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | helps obfuscate even further what's in the deal behind NDA and why these choices were made | Sep 21 21:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawid_wiktor/status/778687966625476608 | Sep 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawid_wiktor/status/778687966625476608 | Sep 21 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawid_wiktor: @schestowitz If someone want to fork it to save the project - Inspire is ready to help: https://t.co/ljIxXuTEbS | Sep 21 21:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawid_wiktor: @schestowitz If someone want to fork it to save the project - Inspire is ready to help: https://t.co/ljIxXuTEbS | Sep 21 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to help out with a libreboot fork | Sep 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to help out with a libreboot fork | Sep 21 21:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/alpha | Sep 21 21:19 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/alpha | Sep 21 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Alpha | Sep 21 21:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Alpha | Sep 21 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | 'oops' | Sep 21 21:27 |
| schestowitz | 'oops' | Sep 21 21:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681156212359168 | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681156212359168 | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Sep 21 21:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen-Running Samsung Gear Fit 2 price reduced on Amazon | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681155050573824 | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681155050573824 | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zMdjAGFWEU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zMdjAGFWEU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A tiny Arduino Zero clone, and an Arduino for cosplayers | Tux Machines | Sep 21 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778681152198488065 | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So much for the “Microsoft loves Linux” phrase | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JzU4xrs0nr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 21 21:44 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/your-husband | Sep 21 21:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/your-husband | Sep 21 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Your Husband | Sep 21 21:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Your Husband | Sep 21 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think you use irssi | Sep 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think you use irssi | Sep 21 21:55 |
| MinceR | i do | Sep 21 21:55 |
| MinceR | i do | Sep 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | security fix? | Sep 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | security fix? | Sep 21 21:55 |
| MinceR | can't | Sep 21 21:55 |
| MinceR | can't | Sep 21 21:55 |
| schestowitz | under wear?! | Sep 21 21:56 |
| schestowitz | under wear?! | Sep 21 21:56 |
| MinceR | oh, my version isn't vulnerable anyway | Sep 21 22:02 |
| MinceR | oh, my version isn't vulnerable anyway | Sep 21 22:02 |
| schestowitz | famous last words and all.. | Sep 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | famous last words and all.. | Sep 21 22:04 |
| MinceR | >Irssi 0.8.17 and later | Sep 21 22:05 |
| MinceR | >Irssi 0.8.17 and later | Sep 21 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I've just upgraded 3 servers | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I've just upgraded 3 servers | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Debian | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Debian | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | (for GE) | Sep 21 22:06 |
| schestowitz | (for GE) | Sep 21 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7872236 | Sep 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7872236 | Sep 21 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the media doesn't make a big stink over #microsoft and #lenovo blocking #gnu #linux we ( #techrights ) will | Sep 21 22:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the media doesn't make a big stink over #microsoft and #lenovo blocking #gnu #linux we ( #techrights ) will | Sep 21 22:28 | |
| schestowitz | "it is a big stink and a sad day for all the thinkpad linux users and free choices in general" | Sep 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | "it is a big stink and a sad day for all the thinkpad linux users and free choices in general" | Sep 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 22:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7870443 | Sep 21 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 22:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo has deleted a 14+ pages forum thread about how it is blocking #gnu #linux - details in #reddit for now https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc_program_now/ | Sep 21 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | "They also sell servers, so this can hurt them badly. Geeks control what servers get bought." | Sep 21 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "They also sell servers, so this can hurt them badly. Geeks control what servers get bought." | Sep 21 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 22:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Warning: Microsoft Signature PC program now requires that you can't run Linux. Lenovo's recent Ultrabooks among affected systems. : linux | Sep 21 22:29 | |
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| MinceR | does anyone know what this "may be downloaded and installed automatically" thing is, exactly? >> http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/android-7.0-nougat-update-840x560.jpg | Sep 21 23:13 |
| MinceR | does anyone know what this "may be downloaded and installed automatically" thing is, exactly? >> http://cdn01.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/android-7.0-nougat-update-840x560.jpg | Sep 21 23:13 |
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| dblaber | wah | Sep 22 00:08 |
| dblaber | wah | Sep 22 00:08 |
| razielle_tzu | wah? | Sep 22 00:08 |
| razielle_tzu | wah? | Sep 22 00:08 |
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| dblaber | so the new non evil microsoft popping its head i guess? | Sep 22 00:11 |
| dblaber | so the new non evil microsoft popping its head i guess? | Sep 22 00:11 |
| cubexyz | nothing non about it | Sep 22 00:13 |
| cubexyz | nothing non about it | Sep 22 00:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Sep 22 00:14 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Sep 22 00:14 |
| cubexyz | the history of stealing computer time predates Microsoft itself | Sep 22 00:15 |
| cubexyz | the history of stealing computer time predates Microsoft itself | Sep 22 00:15 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 22 00:15 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Sep 22 00:15 |
| MinceR | there was a non-evil microsoft? when did the real microsoft sue them for trademark infringement? | Sep 22 00:17 |
| MinceR | there was a non-evil microsoft? when did the real microsoft sue them for trademark infringement? | Sep 22 00:17 |
| cubexyz | and I sure can remember Microsoft asking manufacturers to make ACPI harder for Linux to implement | Sep 22 00:18 |
| cubexyz | and I sure can remember Microsoft asking manufacturers to make ACPI harder for Linux to implement | Sep 22 00:18 |
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| cubexyz | IBM invented SMB protocol and Microsoft made CIFS | Sep 22 00:19 |
| MinceR | m$ rebranded their version of SMB as CIFS | Sep 22 00:20 |
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| cubexyz | M$ made their own DNS thing I think | Sep 22 00:22 |
| dblaber | WINS? | Sep 22 00:23 |
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| cubexyz | yeah for NetBIOS | Sep 22 00:25 |
| cubexyz | oh and Lenovo is full of it regarding the BIOS problem | Sep 22 00:27 |
| cubexyz | the fact that the older version worked... | Sep 22 00:28 |
| cubexyz | and putting a SSD Raid on a laptop? | Sep 22 00:31 |
| cubexyz | really? :) | Sep 22 00:31 |
| cubexyz | yeah I usually run RAIDs when I'm carrying my laptop around | Sep 22 00:32 |
| cubexyz | don't buy the Yoga 900 ISK2 | Sep 22 00:34 |
| cubexyz | if you can find the older one then fine | Sep 22 00:34 |
| dblaber | i liked lenovo until i started reading this today | Sep 22 00:34 |
| dblaber | love their thinkpads | Sep 22 00:34 |
| cubexyz | a RAID with one SSD | Sep 22 00:35 |
| MinceR | really, an SSD "RAID" that consists of a single "disk" | Sep 22 00:36 |
| MinceR | it's a redundant array because making an "array" of one disk is really redundant | Sep 22 00:36 |
| cubexyz | I'd say go HP | Sep 22 00:37 |
| cubexyz | I've had pretty good experiences with HP laptops | Sep 22 00:37 |
| razielle_tzu | i've had good experiences with both hp and toshiba | Sep 22 00:38 |
| cubexyz | it took me 4 years before I got the HP 4470C scanner working under Linux | Sep 22 00:41 |
| cubexyz | so now I check things a lot more carefully | Sep 22 00:41 |
| cubexyz | and Toshiba said they were going to stop making consumer laptops | Sep 22 00:42 |
| razielle_tzu | pity | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | yes, which means no more Toshiba chromebooks either | Sep 22 00:43 |
| cubexyz | they'll still sell to the corporate market though | Sep 22 00:44 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Sep 22 00:44 |
| MinceR | i've been told scary things about HP | Sep 22 00:45 |
| MinceR | and i've heard of a toshiba laptop with a crappy hinge | Sep 22 00:45 |
| MinceR | i'm wary of hinges since the hinge broke itself on my first laptop | Sep 22 00:46 |
| MinceR | what's HP's and Toshiba's track record on GNU/Linux support? | Sep 22 00:46 |
| cubexyz | I still own a HP NX9030 and it works great | Sep 22 00:48 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit old though | Sep 22 00:48 |
| cubexyz | Toshiba made chromebooks... at least up to 2016 | Sep 22 00:49 |
| cubexyz | HP ended a lot of their non-Windows developer support programs back in Aug 2001 | Sep 22 00:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html | Sep 22 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-on-laptops.com | Linux on Toshiba Laptops & Notebooks | Sep 22 00:52 | |
| cubexyz | I'd say Toshiba wasn't actively hostile to Linux | Sep 22 00:52 |
| razielle_tzu | they're not | Sep 22 00:53 |
| MinceR | is that site still being updated? | Sep 22 00:53 |
| cubexyz | I think anyone can submit entries | Sep 22 00:54 |
| cubexyz | slackware 13 is mentioned :) | Sep 22 00:55 |
| cubexyz | I guess that's around 2009 era | Sep 22 00:55 |
| cubexyz | I think Stallman uses an older Thinkpad, a Lenovo (!) X200 | Sep 22 01:05 |
| cubexyz | so you can't just say Lenovo == BAD | Sep 22 01:05 |
| MinceR | i use an X220i Tablet | Sep 22 01:05 |
| MinceR | (also lenovo) | Sep 22 01:05 |
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| cubexyz | so you're happy with it? | Sep 22 01:06 |
| MinceR | mostly | Sep 22 01:06 |
| MinceR | i'm thinking of upgrading to an X260 once i have the money | Sep 22 01:06 |
| MinceR | but lenovo's behavior lately is making me question this plan | Sep 22 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | 00:20] <MinceR> m$ rebranded their version of SMB as CIFS | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we published documents about it | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | around 8 years ago | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | very details antitrust petition | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | from ECIS or something | Sep 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/marywallace07/status/778710104136781824 | Sep 22 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@marywallace07: @schestowitz @ClancyKieran @FOSSpatents @technology It's long past time O'Brien was picked on! | Sep 22 01:37 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Flatpak 0.6.11 Linux Universal Binary Format Released with...' | Sep 22 10:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778890608488357888 | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/ #Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T5KOlOPoU6 (ostatic.com) liars. | Sep 22 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jyrRcgMvNx (www.winbeta.org) | Sep 22 10:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 10:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 10:38 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93816 | Sep 22 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | True Love...and Microsoft Love | Tux Machines | Sep 22 10:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778891164355325952 | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True Love...and Microsoft Love https://t.co/EA8xvaFSYJ | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux-magazine.com) "Stop the patent blackmail" | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 22 10:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | True Love...and Microsoft Love » Linux Magazine | Sep 22 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @pcasabona http://twitter.com/pcasabona/status/778891699196203008 | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The latest Networking Generation! https://t.co/WRFfA1YLU5 | Sep 22 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (paper.li) Thanks to @tuxmachines @you_5daime @miropusnik | Sep 22 10:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Networking Generation | Sep 22 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778893092388831232 | Sep 22 10:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Who wrote GTK+ 3.22 https://t.co/Is2ldPGEKu | Sep 22 10:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.gtk.org) https://t.co/lt8PjCYRE7 (help.gnome.org) | Sep 22 10:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dG1733Q6an (blogs.gnome.org) | Sep 22 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/778893783991717888 | Sep 22 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@schestowitz saying that MSFT loves GNU LINUX is just BS. It is like to say that the State loves the Citizen! Pure BULLSHIT @satyanadella | Sep 22 10:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778893502600142848 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2017 https://t.co/r0W2RBqjlS (www.redhat.com) | Sep 22 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year 2017 | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901759372636160 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eR4ac5z7G5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rosy Red Hat, GNOME 3.22, MS/Lenovo Barricading | Tux Machines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901760437911552 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True Love...and Microsoft Love https://t.co/snctVK6cgX | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 22 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | True Love...and Microsoft Love | Tux Machines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901761809485825 | Sep 22 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME/GTK News https://t.co/wnQgLTC4Il | Sep 22 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME/GTK News | Tux Machines | Sep 22 11:20 | |
| cubexyz | just discovered this little gem: | Sep 22 11:35 |
| cubexyz | http://flburn.sourceforge.net/ | Sep 22 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flburn.sourceforge.net | Free | CD DVD burning software for Linux | Sep 22 11:35 | |
| cubexyz | no man page though, boooo | Sep 22 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901762992332800 | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Openwashing Proprietary Software https://t.co/ea8th0CVXJ | Sep 22 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing Proprietary Software | Tux Machines | Sep 22 12:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778901764007337984 | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Andy Wingo on CML versus Go https://t.co/59pK4MVq22 | Sep 22 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Andy Wingo on CML versus Go | Tux Machines | Sep 22 12:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778910032180158465 | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lenovo Accused Of Locking Linux Out Of Certain Laptops At | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Request https://t.co/p3M9HGOeEh | Sep 22 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techdirt.com) | Sep 22 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo Accused Of Locking Linux Out Of Certain Laptops At Microsoft's Request | Techdirt | Sep 22 12:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7875835 | Sep 22 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wipo is trying to lecture us about "respecting" IP http://www.ip-watch.org/2016/09/21/first-revised-articles-of-potential-treaty-protecting-tk-at-wipo-issued-today/ see how it 'respects' its own staff and the law http://techrights.org/2016/02/24/wipo-attacks-on-whistleblowing/ | Sep 22 12:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ip-watch.org | First Revised Articles Of Potential Treaty Protecting TK At WIPO Issued Today | Sep 22 12:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | The Joint Subcommittee Hearing on the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s Vicious Attacks on Whistleblowers | Techrights | Sep 22 12:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 | Sep 22 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/RQwsXT0yVV (techrights.org) | Sep 22 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat’s Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 Released | Techrights | Sep 22 12:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 22/9/2016: Red Hat's Latest Results, GNOME 3.22 | Sep 22 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Released https://t.co/RQwsXT0yVV (techrights.org) | Sep 22 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | afetrnoon, MinceR | Sep 22 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778940455350403072 | Sep 22 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dominate the world in strategy game 'Agenda', now on | Sep 22 14:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, here's my review https://t.co/1KoqRb2qWg | Sep 22 14:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dominate the world in strategy game 'Agenda', now on Linux, here's my review | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 14:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla Says Goodbye to Firefox Hello in Firefox 49 | Sep 22 14:09 |
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| MinceR | hay schestowitz | Sep 22 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Says Goodbye to Firefox Hello in Firefox 49 | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944358527610881 | Sep 22 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Ubuntu https://t.co/qmmUxxisv9 | Sep 22 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News and Results | Sep 22 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News and Results | Tux Machines | Sep 22 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shamanseki/status/778948031248990208 | Sep 22 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: A robot detained by police at a political rally in Moscow - authorities attempting to handcuff the machine. Get the… https://t.co/N5nEZ19itR | Sep 22 14:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: A robot detained by police at a political rally in Moscow - authorities attempting to handcuff the machine. Get the… https://t.co/N5nEZ19itR | Sep 22 14:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SanhoTree/status/778951251518160896 | Sep 22 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SanhoTree: @shamanseki @schestowitz But everybody knows that's where the rebel alliance always hides their secret maps! | Sep 22 14:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shamanseki/status/778952014843740160 | Sep 22 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shamanseki: @SanhoTree @schestowitz OK - arrest the girl as well - she knows something! | Sep 22 14:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874652 | Sep 22 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial http://www.winbeta.org/news/lenovo-responds-to-linux-blocking-issue-issues-non-denial-denial | Sep 22 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that Lenovo’s official reply is insufficient and carefully worded. They talk about how much they love to support Linux and then say that they don’t support Linux on many of their own laptops. Actions speak louder than words, and there’s no technical reason other than the BIOS RAID mode lock why the Yoga 900 ISK2 and other affected systems wouldn’t be great Linux machines. I also think that locking down the thread and | Sep 22 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.winbeta.org | Lenovo responds to Linux blocking issue, issues non-denial denial – WinBeta | Sep 22 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | editing peoples comments and then blaming forum posters for being “disruptive” was uncalled for, and they’re obviously trying to turn this around and make it seem like I am overreacting or somehow I’m at fault for what they did. And unfortunately, some of the media reports have taken up this narrative instead of looking into why Lenovo would do such things to their computers. There is no REAL issue with Linux not supporting these | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | laptops other than the one Lenovo created. They need to make a BIOS patch that users can install, like other Ultrabook PC makers did, not more excuses.” | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that [the BIOS RAID lock] was a deliberate design choice made by Lenovo, and I say that because the BIOS code that they use has AHCI mode available for the storage device, which Linux and Windows understand without any special drivers. Lenovo patched the code to remove the AHCI mode from the BIOS setup utility and then they wrote additional code to make sure that you can’t set AHCI mode with an EFI variable using EFI shell. So, | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I’d say it’s definitely deliberate, and can’t see any LEGITIMATE reason why they would have. It isn’t really faster, it makes recovering Windows from Microsoft’s installer very difficult if you have to later. About the only thing putting a single SSD setup into RAID mode using the BIOS gives you is (a) Linux won’t be able to use the storage and (b) greater potential for data loss.” | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | “I think that Microsoft and Lenovo agreed to lock Linux out, and forcing RAID mode accomplishes that. In the last 11 months, nobody except one Lenovo forum poster that used a modded BIOS and an external flasher to get around Lenovo’s signature check on BIOS updates has managed to install Linux on the Yoga models affected by this. I believe that Lenovo and Microsoft figured that if Linux ever did get driver support for this configuration, | Sep 22 15:21 |
| schestowitz | that it would be years after the product was released, so it might as well be forever. Most people replace their laptop every 5 years or less, so almost nobody would ever be able to run Linux on the Yoga laptops while in their designed service life.” | Sep 22 15:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/xAXjQ9CmE8 | Sep 22 15:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 22 15:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778944364642902016 | Sep 22 15:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/XLLEhpkG8K | Sep 22 15:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 22 15:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778970089945178112 | Sep 22 15:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Alexa-enabled CoWatch hits the market today | Sep 22 15:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/higkSO9knC (www.androidauthority.com) | Sep 22 15:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | The Alexa-enabled CoWatch hits the market today - Android Authority | Sep 22 15:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | How to install Android on a PC https://t.co/ExRq9U3ept | Sep 22 16:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778970932358606848 | Sep 22 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LeEco Pro 3 formally announced, powered by Snapdragon 821 | Sep 22 16:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | LeEco Pro 3 formally announced, powered by Snapdragon 821 - Android Authority | Sep 22 16:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778971244624539655 | Sep 22 16:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-powered BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition unit | Sep 22 16:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | up for grabs https://t.co/l8fSJA4J2t (www.gsmarena.com) | Sep 22 16:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android-powered BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition unit up for grabs - GSMArena.com news | Sep 22 16:16 | |
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| MinceR | http://nsanamegenerator.com/ | Sep 22 16:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Amazon India now offering the Samsung Z2 SM-Z200F Online | Sep 22 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jXHSaRM7oH (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 22 17:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Amazon India now offering the Samsung Z2 SM-Z200F Online - Tizen Experts | Sep 22 17:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778979530086187008 | Sep 22 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Jumps 6% on FYQ2 Earnings Beat; Raises Year | Sep 22 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Outlook https://t.co/l0FCHPlUfP (blogs.barrons.com) | Sep 22 17:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.barrons.com | Red Hat Jumps 6% on FYQ2 Earnings Beat; Raises Year Outlook - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com | Sep 22 17:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/778987731649228800 | Sep 22 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SDL2's Mir Backend Sees Some Updates | Sep 22 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gN5vzuaxbm (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 22 17:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SDL2's Mir Backend Sees Some Updates - Phoronix | Sep 22 17:04 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: oh, I get it... | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | some gchq names are worse | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | like smurfs and their names | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | for phone back doors | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ) | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/gchq-intercepted-emails-journalists-ny-times-bbc-guardian-le-monde-reuters-nbc-washington-post | Sep 22 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optic Nerve (GCHQ) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 22 17:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | GCHQ captured emails of journalists from top international media | UK news | The Guardian | Sep 22 17:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden | Sep 22 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ | UK news | The Guardian | Sep 22 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | maybe we could get some kind of US stimulus here for the poor and disabled | Sep 22 17:07 |
| schestowitz | not to spy on them | Sep 22 17:07 |
| razielle_tzu | not gonna happen | Sep 22 17:07 |
| razielle_tzu | it's spying or nothing | Sep 22 17:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/778990179403128840 | Sep 22 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What ? I thought Hello was doing fine... | Sep 22 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | hello to news :-) | Sep 22 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/778990561135042560 | Sep 22 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What r they gonna do ? Change it for what ? | Sep 22 17:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management | Sep 22 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XMTEQzs9wU (opensource.com) | Sep 22 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Linux user's guide to Logical Volume Management | Opensource.com | Sep 22 18:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779003019195248640 | Sep 22 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a Second | Sep 22 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta with KDE Plasma 5.8 https://t.co/chgyc8xN9T | Sep 22 18:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Operating System Gets a Second Beta with KDE Plasma 5.8 | Sep 22 18:41 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | The Next Great Stoic Competition - Existential Comics | Sep 22 19:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779012747942035457 | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun will release | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | December 6th with Linux support https://t.co/tkuclLjAQB | Sep 22 19:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun will release December 6th with Linux support | GamingOnLinux | Sep 22 19:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/G2aPs17T4r | Sep 22 19:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 22 19:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779021971270930432 | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Vista 10 Under Attack From Media, UNIX/Linux Under Attack | Sep 22 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Microsoft https://t.co/OUqPupVhvh | Sep 22 19:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vista 10 Under Attack From Media, UNIX/Linux Under Attack From Microsoft | Tux Machines | Sep 22 19:18 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: so much text | Sep 22 19:37 |
| schestowitz | can't find the punchline | Sep 22 19:37 |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-20 | Sep 22 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cubicle Near Thermostat - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2016-09-20 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 22 19:38 | |
| MinceR | it's at the end | Sep 22 19:38 |
| MinceR | also, there's a handy "Didn't get the joke?" button :> | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sah1987/status/779028065007570944 | Sep 22 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sah1987: @schestowitz But you trust Alan Duncan? | Sep 22 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | What he says aligns with my theory all along; not too far-fetched and maybe he has an inside knowledge | Sep 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sah1987/status/779029028778942464 | Sep 22 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sah1987: @schestowitz It is quite plausible, but Duncan himself was said to have declared Remain because he couldn't lead Vote Leave. | Sep 22 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/779031282445590528 | Sep 22 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I've been following them for decades. MSFT is not the anti-Linux company I knew. | Sep 22 19:55 | |
| schestowitz | But they're still attacking, just more covertly. I have an article about more lawsuits tonight... | Sep 22 19:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/osmanafc/status/779032346003734528 | Sep 22 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osmanafc: @schestowitz really I wanted out and got https://t.co/L2WOrjKjOy about visa free travel.for turkey or a eu army all lies were they ? | Sep 22 20:00 | |
| schestowitz | Brexit.. Boris lied | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | turns out he wanted remain | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | but tried to use it as a stunt to become out PM after London Mayor | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sunick51/status/779034569488097280 | Sep 22 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sunick51: @schestowitz You're complaining because a politician is dishonest? What about the hundreds of others in Westminster? | Sep 22 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jedichaz/status/779036018754412544 | Sep 22 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jedichaz: Against the backdrop of a widening transatlantic cultural rift at least the culture of politics is up (or down) to… https://t.co/2aOU5vqVDH | Sep 22 20:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jedichaz: Against the backdrop of a widening transatlantic cultural rift at least the culture of politics is up (or down) to… https://t.co/2aOU5vqVDH | Sep 22 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/779037800964452352 | Sep 22 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I look forward to seeing it. | Sep 22 20:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Dronecode’s Craig Elder speaks about open-source software | Sep 22 20:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dronecode’s Craig Elder speaks about open-source software for drones | Tux Machines | Sep 22 20:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News After Latest Results | Sep 22 20:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News After Latest Results | Tux Machines | Sep 22 20:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've been writing on Lenovo's forums some more. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Since Lenovo's attack on Linux also impedes setting up Windows from a Microsoft ISO if you ever need to, I worked last night on creating a slipstreamed installer that inludes their Rapid Storage driver so that Windows setup can see the SSD and install to it. I also bundled updated drivers straight from Intel. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo and Microsoft apparently see "Signature PCs" as a device (like a tablet or a phone with carrier locks), not a real computer, and as such, they have provided no easy way to restore the operating system in the event of a catastrophe that breaks "reset this PC" or makes the system unable to boot in the first place. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Unlike an Android phone, which has a fairly decent design and a usable software store where Google can all-but-eliminate the possibility of there being malware, Windows 10 is an operating system tha steeped in decades of half-baked Windows code, horrible backwards compatibility garbage, and Microsoft hacks, and is 31 flavors of unreliable (including update installations getting stuck and unable to install and bad updates that cause boot | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | loops and system freezing, and it is completely riddled with bugs. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | The Windows Store has so few decent applications, you can count them on your fingers. So you install most of your software the traditional way of grabbing some EXE off of the internet, and it doesn't look like that will change soon. So you can't treat these things like a device. And I wonder how many people will end up having to ship their laptop back to Lenovo to get Windows reinstalled. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Okay, so they have Windows Defender and SmartScreen. That's....something, at least. More than earlier Windows had, but we must remember that several pieces of malware have dodged all major virus scanners (including the ones people pay money for) for years, being completely undetected. Does anyone think that these people aren't testing Windows Defender? The Hacking Team leak showed internal documents including a checklist of antivirus | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | programs that they were successfully evading during internal tests. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | When the BBC covered this Lenovo scandal yesterday, I appreciate that they took some extra time to mention that Ubuntu is faster and more efficient than Windows, with better reliability. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Shame that Lenovo won't let us run it. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | System76 released a statement on Twitter yesterday. | Sep 22 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 20:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Unlike #Lenovo, we do not have "Microsoft Signature PCs" and not only can you install #Linux on our machines, it comes preinstalled. Smiley Wink | Sep 22 20:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I fixed up some typos. | Sep 22 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Their Lenovo keyboard makes it difficult to avoid. | Sep 22 20:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046084404469764 | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | How Long Do Android and iPhone Owners Keep Their Phones? | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZhVf7siQ2p (www.fool.com) | Sep 22 21:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Long Do Android and iPhone Owners Keep Their Phones? -- The Motley Fool | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046104004456448 | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | WebKitGTK+ 2.14 and the Web Engines Hackfest | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/My37ty7MO5 (blog.kov.eti.br) | Sep 22 21:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.kov.eti.br | WebKitGTK+ 2.14 and the Web Engines Hackfest | Gustavo Noronha (kov) | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779046558432169986 | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Google Pixel, the Android promise fulfilled, at | Sep 22 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | last! https://t.co/1pHWZKrqs2 (www.slashgear.com) | Sep 22 21:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With Google Pixel, the Android promise fulfilled, at last! - SlashGear | Sep 22 21:01 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I edited to add this... | Sep 22 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Just comparing storage requirements and the optimal amount of installed RAM for each OS, Windows 10 needs approximately 700% more storage space and 200% more RAM than Ubuntu. Some people like to say that Windows 10 is efficient, yet it would require even more space if Microsoft hadn't deployed file compression on much of the Windows folder. | Sep 22 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | After the part about the BBC talking about Ubuntu. | Sep 22 21:02 |
| MinceR | and even ubuntu is extremely bloated | Sep 22 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I made another post. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Installing Linux to a flash drive to use it with the Lenovo Yoga is unacceptable. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC | A 512 GB NVMe SSD on Amazon will still set you back by about $350, so using Linux from a flash drive on this computer means that Lenovo has reduced the value of your machine by hundreds of dollars, and USB drives operating over USB 3 are nowhere near as fast as the SSD. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 22 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo and Microsoft know that, which is why they disabled access to this very valuable component if you try to run Linux. | Sep 22 21:06 |
| MinceR | well, yeah | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | if it only precluded booting from the internal device, that would be usable for me | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | i use FDE anyway | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | and i'm planning to boot from a removable device to do it | Sep 22 21:07 |
| MinceR | my FDE skill wasn't high enough to do it when i installed my laptop | Sep 22 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Added... | Sep 22 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | And if some Very Smart People ever figure out a way to make the SSD visible again, I would STRONGLY advise never upgrading the laptop's firmware again, lest they find something else to break. | Sep 22 21:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 22 21:08 |
| MinceR | hopefully they won't dare pull shit like this on models marketed to businesses | Sep 22 21:09 |
| MinceR | i doubt that a megacorporate client would like very much when told "no, you can't just deploy your corporate-wide standard images on these laptops" | Sep 22 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Edited that.... | Sep 22 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | and then tell us "Oops. Better run Windows 10 so you can use our 360 degree hinge! Have we told you about our 360 hinge?". | Sep 22 21:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | New Red Hat project looks a lot like a Docker fork | Sep 22 21:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Red Hat project looks a lot like a Docker fork | InfoWorld | Sep 22 21:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat’s stock price and employee headcount are rising | Sep 22 21:39 |
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| DaemonFC | BaronHK 2 points 16 minutes ago* | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo is a crappy company that actually wrote code enforcing the fake RAID mode by stripping the AHCI mode out of the GUI and then making sure that if you go into EFI Shell and set it yourself that it discards your setting and sets it back. First PC maker I've seen that ships computers that you can't even realistically (for the average user) reinstall Windows on. I will never buy another Lenovo computer again. I had to spend about an hour | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | googling random support topics before I found a recommendation to use Universal Extractor. Then I had to find a beta version of Universal Extractor that supported the archive format in the setup program just to dig the Intel RST driver out of their godawful installer so that I can slipstream it into a Windows installer. | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Most people will have to pay to ship it back to Lenovo if Windows needs to be reinstalled, and be unable to use the computer for weeks, and it'll probably have some sensitive, confidential, work-related information on the SSD that someone at Lenovo could copy and steal while it's in their repair center. | Sep 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo is a Chinese company and the Chinese steal American Intellectual Property all the time. Chinese spies even stole top secret attack helicopter engine designs complete with the software from the US government. | Sep 22 22:55 |
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| MinceR | >Intellectual Property | Sep 22 23:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lyn/5684705739.html | Sep 22 23:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Arkanta via /r/linux sent 35 minutes ago | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | show parent | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | How do you explain that linux boots and works on surface pro? | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | BaronHK 1 point a minute ago | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | Since the lockout seems to be a new requirement for their partners, ask me again when Microsoft releases the Surface Pro 5. Anyway, a patch to put the hardware back in AHCI mode after the BIOS exits is possibly in the works by Matthew Garrett, so if MSFT uses this method for the lockout, it may not work. I'm sure they'll find something else. | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | It has to be embarrassing to them that so many people ditch the nasty bug riddled Windows 10 and blog about how great Linux is on their Surface. I'm sure that's where the Lenovo "agreement" came from. Anyway, it lets them test the waters with someone else's branding on the machine before it gets rolled out elsewhere. And since so many people believe their crap that this wasn't intentional, the next Surface probably will come locked to a | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | fake RAID mode. | Sep 23 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What do you think? Think that once we solve this problem there will be another one? | Sep 23 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it will be Groundhog Day again. Everyone forgetting that we've already dealt with this before and apologizing for MSFT again. | Sep 23 07:12 |
| razielle_tzu | it's gonna keep happening | Sep 23 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | [–]Arkanta [score hidden] 6 minutes ago | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | A small driver lockout like that is barely a lockout. Locking out the efi secure boot keys, now that's how you permanently fuck linux. Linux is absolutely no threat to MS in the consumer desktop field (you may wank yourself over this summer's >2% marketshare but MS laughs at that), and they're moving to selling services more and more, so this makes no sense. | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry for your tinfoil hat, but I'm gonna blame intel rather than MS here. I'm also gonna wait for the next surface to laugh at your paranoia even more. | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Edit: also, not many are leaving windows on their surfaces for linux, are barely anyone who does makes big articles about how the bugged w10 made them go away. There's nothing embrasassing. | Sep 23 07:20 |
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| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK 1 point just now | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | They want it to look unintentional. | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well shucks, Linux doesn't have a driver! | Sep 23 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can keep it off the machine for years. If this problem with Lenovo gets solved before the hardware is a year old, it will only be because someone in this forum on this topic had the outline of an idea, and I took it to Matthew Garrett and he managed to write a patch. They were probably planning on Linux being unusable for most of the lifetime of the product (3-4 years, perhaps more). | Sep 23 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | If they locked it out with Secure Boot, they'd be sued and under investigation by several world governments IMMEDIATELY. Microsoft is evil, not stupid. | Sep 23 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | He came back with "They could just lock it out forever with Secure Boot.". I replied: | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 07:24 | |
| DaemonFC | "They want it to look unintentional. Well shucks, Linux doesn't have a driver! Then they can keep it off the machine for years. If this problem with Lenovo gets solved before the hardware is a year old, it will only be because someone in this forum on this topic had the outline of an idea, and I took it to Matthew Garrett and he managed to write a patch. They were probably planning on Linux being unusable for most of the lifetime of the | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | product (3-4 years, perhaps more). | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 07:24 | |
| DaemonFC | If they locked it out with Secure Boot, they'd be sued and under investigation by several world governments IMMEDIATELY. Microsoft is evil, not stupid." | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | OOps. | Sep 23 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | I was formatting that for another forum. :P | Sep 23 07:25 |
| razielle_tzu | :P | Sep 23 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | So Lenovo got caught with their pants down. | Sep 23 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently most people aren't buying their story. | Sep 23 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | 86% gave my Reddit article a thumbs up. | Sep 23 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | And the one about the hardware hack to get AHCI mode is at 73%. | Sep 23 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | So something like 3 out of 4 people believe my side over Lenovo's. And that's good because my side is the truth. | Sep 23 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | Trying to fight to keep Linux running despite BIOSes that are designed by Microsoft and PC vendors to stop it is like fighting an uphill battle on ice skates. There is no new Microsoft. Only new tactics. | Sep 23 07:47 |
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| r_schestowitz | [01:52] <DaemonFC> There is no "new Microsoft", only new anti-competitive tactics. New lies. | Sep 23 08:56 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, exactly | Sep 23 08:56 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jhamby/status/779235317324718083 | Sep 23 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jhamby: You have a very liberal definition of the term "back door." 😏 https://t.co/Av6HIGF7eh | Sep 23 09:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Powell leakers strike again with alleged White House staffer emails, Michelle Obama passport https://t.co/qvmPIXKHpC back doors abound | Sep 23 09:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | What I meant was, back doors in software make it easier to crack and grab private info | Sep 23 09:27 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: did reddit delete any thread? | Sep 23 09:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I mean, did it engage in censorship of any kind? | Sep 23 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Not that I know of. They gave me a "misleading title" flair and then the mod said something about how they were thinking of deleting it, but that was yesterday, and then they changed their mind because so many people were discussing things there. | Sep 23 09:40 |
| razielle_tzu | one of the threads did get deleted, or at least made to look like it had been | Sep 23 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | 500 million Yahoo accounts hacked? | Sep 23 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo has 500 million users? WTF | Sep 23 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sb101sb/status/779241526161448960 | Sep 23 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sb101sb: @schestowitz PR/marketing | Sep 23 09:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: ah OK | Sep 23 09:52 |
| r_schestowitz | so I guess it you who deleted a thread, or whoever the OP was | Sep 23 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Wow. You type firefox into Bing and a video pops up saying you should use Edge because it's the browser made for Windows 10. | Sep 23 09:52 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks, posted that just now | Sep 23 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Added an ad blocking rule to handle that. | Sep 23 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | www.bing.com###b_results > .b_topborder.b_top.b_ans | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | ta | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | interesting | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | ah, ok, so it's in the page | Sep 23 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | I thought in thw browser | Sep 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | It's on top of the search results and autoplays. | Sep 23 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | It has tabs with more information about Edge and an "Ads by Microsoft" tag on it. | Sep 23 09:56 |
| r_schestowitz | haha, desperate, but still evil | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see what I put in tuxmachines? | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I lost my connection 4 times in the past 12 hours | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted some of the latest articles about it, I think it was quite exhaustive | Sep 23 09:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/93848 | Sep 23 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Classic Damage Control: Lenovo and Microsoft Got Their 'Official' Lie/Denial Together, Now Engage in Revisionism by Contacting Journalists | Tux Machines | Sep 23 09:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | You can see their tactics | Sep 23 09:58 |
| r_schestowitz | they go to the same sites that publish reports | Sep 23 09:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and ask them to publish new articles with the official lie | Sep 23 09:58 |
| r_schestowitz | and some people did swallow this and now repeat the face-saving lie | Sep 23 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, You tell people that and they get hostile about it. | Sep 23 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I made it the first part in my reply to MS and Lenovo. | Sep 23 10:03 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: put their feet to the fire | Sep 23 10:03 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 10:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | they're lying, everyone knows this, except maybe publishers/editors who are not technical | Sep 23 10:03 |
| r_schestowitz | and they publish their tripe | Sep 23 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, I reported the Edge ad to Easylist along with the filter I used. | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | good | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | keep pressuring until they issue more lies | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | also, it might be worth making up a list of Lenovo lies | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | from their reps, product managers etc. | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | to show a pattern of lies and shifted narratives | Sep 23 10:05 |
| r_schestowitz | if they flip-flopped between stories it means people risk getting canned | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | and they'd say anything to cover their vehind | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | *behing | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | *behind | Sep 23 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, "Several people state that this lock-out in the BIOS is not present in otherwise identical models that are sold in Germany and Europe" | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | there are still many articles written about it | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | don't make it over (the song) | Sep 23 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | The yoga laptops sold in Germany have the AHCI option in the BIOS setup. | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | they want the negative publicity and scrutiny to stop | Sep 23 10:06 |
| r_schestowitz | you can see in -social channel what I write in Diaspora etc. | Sep 23 10:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7879661 | Sep 23 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ #lenovo lying (censored) | Sep 23 10:11 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | UPDATE: I pinged Matthew Garrett after someone had an idea about having the Linux kernel switch the hardware out of RAID and into AHCI mode AFTER the BIOS hands it over to the kernel, and he said it might work and that he'd see about writing a patch. This would have the practical effect of running Linux in AHCI mode on the Dell XPS, only through a Linux "hardware quirk" to deal with Lenovo doing nothing to fix the BIOS. Actually, Lenovo | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | hasn't done anything through this whole ordeal but lie, lie some more, try to delete evidence, get together with Microsoft and release a joint lie, and then pressure the news media to change their stories. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | ALSO: According to a comment on this page, some people in Germany report that the European versions of the affected Yoga laptops don't have AHCI mode hidden in the BIOS. Perhaps because the EU takes locking users out of their PCs more seriously than the US government does. | Sep 23 10:17 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Sep 23 10:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I pinged sjvn about it, too | Sep 23 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, It's tiring. I don't know how you do this every day. | Sep 23 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've been doing my best to reply to every comment and private message I get though. :) | Sep 23 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | There's been a lot of that to keep up with. | Sep 23 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | at least it reaches millions of people, through resultant articles | Sep 23 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sine_injuria/status/779250416118820866 | Sep 23 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sine_injuria: Almost daily occurrence in #ContinentalEuropean #Megapolis re #Corporate-scripted #MSM #RadioSilence, #Paris 15th r… https://t.co/kcxJYqWTVi | Sep 23 10:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sine_injuria: Almost daily occurrence in #ContinentalEuropean #Megapolis re #Corporate-scripted #MSM #RadioSilence, #Paris 15th r… https://t.co/kcxJYqWTVi | Sep 23 10:27 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ManagingIP/status/779251013823897600 | Sep 23 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ManagingIP: Look forward to reading! https://t.co/T2ivxxGtF4 | Sep 23 10:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to write some detailed rebuttals to #epo #battistelli and #upc this afternoon if all goes according to plan | Sep 23 10:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779235234407559168 | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Phoronix Graphics News https://t.co/KVYfpdUvRJ | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 10:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix Graphics News | Tux Machines | Sep 23 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/779235714106032128 | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Recently in Techrights https://t.co/FDEg7pHz7v | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 10:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Recently in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 23 10:36 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Can you check Lenovo's UK support site and see if there's a BIOS for the Yoga 900 ISK2 posted? | Sep 23 11:01 |
| razielle_tzu | DaemonFC: i'm checking that now for you | Sep 23 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to post it to a BIOS mods forum and have them go over it and see if AHCI mode is hidden. | Sep 23 11:04 |
| razielle_tzu | there's a bios update from april but that's it | Sep 23 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | the version 5 one | Sep 23 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, mine is on version 8. They didn't post 6, 7, or 8. | Sep 23 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | They just flashed version 8 on this one. | Sep 23 11:05 |
| razielle_tzu | it's listed as version number 2UCN05WW | Sep 23 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that's it. | Sep 23 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | The one on my machine is 2ucn08WW. | Sep 23 11:05 |
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| razielle_tzu | strange how only v5 is listed and loks like a minor mod to the bios ;) | Sep 23 11:08 |
| razielle_tzu | *looks | Sep 23 11:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7879661 | Sep 23 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/542c8t/hardware_hack_enables_linux_support_on_lenovo/ #lenovo lying (censored) | Sep 23 11:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | Hardware hack enables Linux support on Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2, undermining Lenovo's statement : linux | Sep 23 11:12 | |
| Tervy | mmm chromodo is getting annoying too .. this happened just minute ago https://λ.pw/77d.png ( i know its my fault using comodos browser but thats beside the point | Sep 23 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://λ.pw/77d.png ) | Sep 23 11:13 | |
| Tervy | that came as notification popup on right bottom corner | Sep 23 11:14 |
| Tervy | see the sneaky "by clicking "ok" you agreed to accept this offer" | Sep 23 11:14 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah and no boxing around the decline option | Sep 23 11:15 |
| razielle_tzu | and a TINY tick box for the change of settings | Sep 23 11:16 |
| Tervy | that box is just for "other browser we will change chromodos settings anyway if you click OK" | Sep 23 11:16 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Sep 23 11:17 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: can you be more specific about what I need to search for and how? | Sep 23 11:23 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'm contacting some people about it | Sep 23 11:23 |
| r_schestowitz | quote: | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Not done an article about it yet (tuxmachines clusters the link) as I don't want journalists to see us as 'implicated'... until it's all over. There's a cycle of lies now, as was the case with Superfish (Lenovo lied and lied and it came tumbling down at the end). | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | [11:22] <r_schestowitz> This is still very active a subject, even if the press won't cover it much anymore. About 50 press articles so far... | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I link to some stuff related to this to keep the topic 'warm' | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | I guess it buries the powwow about libreboot for now | Sep 23 11:24 |
| r_schestowitz | brb, need to type some article about epo | Sep 23 11:25 |
| r_schestowitz | gnome release party tonight here, starting 6pm | Sep 23 11:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779301756853379072 | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/zxAlg3Qg8z | Sep 23 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 23 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779316662348681216 | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Aveyond 4, a popular Windows RPG released for Linux | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XDNRiBBJS2 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 15:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aveyond 4, a popular Windows RPG released for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Sep 23 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779316933191753728 | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II, Chaos Rising and | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Retribution announced for Linux this month! | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sZMfA0MAuc (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 23 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 15:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II, Chaos Rising and Retribution announced for Linux this month! | GamingOnLinux | Sep 23 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779319423635259392 | Sep 23 15:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 23 15:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779321654061129729 | Sep 23 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games for GNU/Linux https://t.co/SCJ7esDCRQ | Sep 23 15:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 23 15:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779321655269085184 | Sep 23 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/M29vCt0Aia | Sep 23 15:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 23 15:09 | |
| schestowitz | [12:51] <cubexyz> the BSD people are worried about lock-in too, it's not just the linux folks | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They have fewer voices | Sep 23 15:10 |
| dblaber | all 3 of those bsd users :P:P | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | which means the public might not sympathise as much | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | like GNU | Sep 23 15:10 |
| dblaber | joking, don't kill me :P | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | "what's that?"| | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | People know the "Linux" brand | Sep 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | dblaber: few of us use BSD | Sep 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I have it on some servers at work, cubexyz uses just about any OS out there | Sep 23 15:11 |
| dblaber | i don't use it on the desktop, but bunch of servers | Sep 23 15:11 |
| dblaber | cubexyz: any os out their eh? | Sep 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | gtg, gnome release party in manchester this evening | Sep 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | wife is going there too | Sep 23 15:12 |
| dblaber | why do none of these things happen in NYC? | Sep 23 15:12 |
| cubexyz | any OS with source code, with a few exceptions | Sep 23 15:18 |
| cubexyz | certain programming environments from DEC were interesting | Sep 23 15:20 |
| cubexyz | TOPS-20 would be an exception... it's proprietary, but still interesting enough to run | Sep 23 15:20 |
| dblaber | freedos :)? | Sep 23 15:23 |
| dblaber | i love real mode operating systems | Sep 23 15:23 |
| cubexyz | I run that too | Sep 23 15:23 |
| cubexyz | one of the vector computers dual boots into freedos and linux | Sep 23 15:24 |
| dblaber | i have a fascination with the older apple operating systems, Mac os pre os x, apple II's os etc, although no source code | Sep 23 15:24 |
| dblaber | probably just because i have used them so much while younger | Sep 23 15:24 |
| cubexyz | back in the day, when folks bought an IBM 1130 they got full IBM DMS source code with it | Sep 23 15:25 |
| cubexyz | it's assembly language, so not the easiest thing to learn | Sep 23 15:26 |
| dblaber | what arch was it? | Sep 23 15:27 |
| cubexyz | ah, IBM 1130 with SLT... that's a 16-bit architecture, you would be limited to 32,768 16-bit words of memory | Sep 23 15:28 |
| cubexyz | mag core | Sep 23 15:28 |
| cubexyz | mid-1960s technology | Sep 23 15:28 |
| cubexyz | peripherals would be card reader, display copier, printer, plotter, paper tape reader... tons of options | Sep 23 15:30 |
| cubexyz | an interesting machine | Sep 23 15:31 |
| cubexyz | probably by 1974 most would have been taken out of service | Sep 23 15:41 |
| cubexyz | here's a nice pic: | Sep 23 15:43 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-complete-system.jpg | Sep 23 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-name lookup timed out ( status 0 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-complete-system.jpg ) | Sep 23 15:43 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NeckbeardHacker/status/654410350696206340 | Sep 23 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NeckbeardHacker: If by "container" you mean emacs...yes, I deploy and run my app inside a container. | Sep 23 15:44 | |
| MinceR | looks pretty smudged... is part of it missing? | Sep 23 15:45 |
| cubexyz | try it again | Sep 23 15:45 |
| cubexyz | not sure what happened there | Sep 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | works now | Sep 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | nice indeed | Sep 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | did people put things on top of those large flat surfaces? | Sep 23 15:46 |
| cubexyz | yeah, they would often put the removeable 14-inch cartridges up there on a rack | Sep 23 15:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-folks.jpg | Sep 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 23 15:48 |
| cubexyz | I don't have a real 1130 of course, it's just via the magic of emulation | Sep 23 15:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779427702919073796 | Sep 23 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'SOMA' from Frictional Games sales figures released, | Sep 23 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux accounted for around 1.1% of sales | Sep 23 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3wqFLAFc4x (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 23 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'SOMA' from Frictional Games sales figures released, Linux accounted for around 1.1% of sales | GamingOnLinux | Sep 23 22:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779428608716705792 | Sep 23 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IPFire 2.19 - Core Update 105 released | Sep 23 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipfire.org - IPFire 2.19 - Core Update 105 released | Sep 23 22:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779431425204445184 | Sep 23 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j | Sep 23 22:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeparty #gnomelove #codethink | Sep 23 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 23 22:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779432164375031808 | Sep 23 22:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian-based WiFi router adds security and parental | Sep 23 22:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | controls https://t.co/IVhAbJb5fE (hackerboards.com) | Sep 23 22:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779432362224521216 | Sep 23 22:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4 command-line graphics tools for Linux | Sep 23 22:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4 command-line Linux tools for working with images | Opensource.com | Sep 23 22:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779432653720260608 | Sep 23 22:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Not For The Everyday Linux User Review Of Porteus 3.1 | Sep 23 22:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | A Not For The Everyday Linux User Review Of Porteus 3.1 « Everyday Linux User | Sep 23 22:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779433779966402560 | Sep 23 22:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2016 LiFT Scholarship Winner Yasin Sekabira: Open Source | Sep 23 22:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Entrepreneur https://t.co/LPIVrHy02V (www.linux.com) | Sep 23 22:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2016 LiFT Scholarship Winner Yasin Sekabira: Open Source Entrepreneur | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 23 22:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779438450470772740 | Sep 23 22:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 | Sep 23 22:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/gnome/status/779439235514236928 | Sep 23 22:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j | Sep 23 22:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @gnome (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeparty #gnomelove #codethink | Sep 23 22:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 23 22:57 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @gnome favourited '#GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j #gnomeparty #gnomelove...' | Sep 23 22:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/gnome/status/779439480646225921 | Sep 23 22:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 22:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @gnome #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 22:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 22:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 22:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3437431#M8426 | Sep 23 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: Re: Yoga 900-13ISK2 - BIOS update for setting RAID... - Page 28 - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/psdwo ] | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Someone asked about the idea to kick the hardware into AHCI mode using the Linux kernel on Reddit, so I replied: | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | The beauty of the idea to have Linux kick the machine into AHCI after GRUB starts the kernel is that it gets reset on every boot, and then goes into AHCI mode again when you select Linux. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | When you select Windows, it will be in the fake RAID mode and you still get full power management, and you won't even have to install Windows again to avoid BSoDs. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | And there's nothing Lenovo can do about it since we'd only be using their stupid BIOS to bring the machine out and then throwing out their RAID mode once Linux takes over. As long as you don't get a BIOS update that breaks something else. A BIOS update could break Linux again if Lenovo really intended it to, but I'm thinking after being embroiled in a scandal, they won't try this again. Once is a mistake, twice is a habit. You know? That's | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | my opinion. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Hopefully once we have an interim fix in place that lets us boot Linux, someone can add support for Lenovo's fake RAID mode later, remove the quirk, and we get full power management back. Until then, maybe you get 9 hours instead of 10 on a charge. I haven't tested so I don't know. I would accept the hit to get away from Windows 10, even if we never figure out a solution that lets us run in the RAID mode and support Intel's undocumented | Sep 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | power management. | Sep 23 23:00 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @rafaelarturosos followed @tuxmachines | Sep 23 23:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @aimee_maree retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CloverPressCMS favourited '7 things you need to know for WordPress...' | Sep 23 23:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @fabioduran retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | I added, Either way, it's what's going to end up "Solving" this thread. Not Lenovo's press release where they were going out of their way to make vomit-inducing endorsements of Windows 10. | Sep 23 23:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/jjmerelo/status/779441645465067520 | Sep 23 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @jjmerelo #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 23:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @osvidsan retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779441641828429824 | Sep 23 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation Oh, I dunno, it might have become an actual thing, but if so, then it's same as "breaking down silos". lolz | Sep 23 23:09 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: see -soial channel | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this earlier | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I'm behind you in this and I try to keep this going in the media | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Chris Hoffman at IDG wrote earlier today | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Site: PC World | Sep 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | he's trying to shift blame to Intel, did you see it? | Sep 23 23:10 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @osvidsan favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779442778266755072 | Sep 23 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Not For The Everyday Linux User Review Of Porteus 3.1 | Sep 23 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Not For The Everyday Linux User Review Of Porteus 3.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779442779281690624 | Sep 23 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2016 LiFT Scholarship Winner Yasin Sekabira: Open Source | Sep 23 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Entrepreneur https://t.co/W78gHIK7c5 | Sep 23 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2016 LiFT Scholarship Winner Yasin Sekabira: Open Source Entrepreneur | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779442780338651136 | Sep 23 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Revive Your Old PC With Lightweight Linux LXLE | Sep 23 23:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Revive Your Old PC With Lightweight Linux LXLE | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779442781345357824 | Sep 23 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 7 things you need to know for WordPress development | Sep 23 23:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 things you need to know for WordPress development | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779442782494662656 | Sep 23 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 | Sep 23 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OS https://t.co/5irYcmgjD9 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 23 23:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 23:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DIGMA presents the world’s first Tablet running Tizen 3.0 OS | Tux Machines | Sep 23 23:11 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I saw it. | Sep 23 23:11 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @psychicoperator favourited 'Plasma 5.7.5, Applications 16.08.1 and Frameworks 5.26.0 by...' | Sep 23 23:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Intel might be one party to blame, but in my opinion, it makes three companies that had a hand in this mess, so blaming only Intel is misguided. | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linux.com/blog/week-open-source-news-linux-foundation-offering-free-openstack-training-github-wants-more | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | "UPDATE: Microsoft Isn’t Really Blocking Laptops From Installing Linux, Lenovo Says- The Next Web" | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | yes, DaemonFC | Sep 23 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This Week in Open Source News: Linux Foundation Offering Free OpenStack Training, GitHub Wants More Business Users, & More | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Sep 23 23:12 | |
| schestowitz | see what I wrote | Sep 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it's three or more parties to blame | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | they're all complicit to some degree | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | and hopefully they'll take action to address this after your work | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779443715408408576 | Sep 23 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz I dunno, I federate servers pretty often-- which usage were you referring to though? | Sep 23 23:14 | |
| schestowitz | The buzzword... | Sep 23 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | They do use the word "Wintel" for a reason. MS and Intel tend to do things in lockstep. MS benefits from having a situation where only a Windows driver from Intel can bail you out. | Sep 23 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | They preloaded Windows on the machine and there's nothing you can do about it thanks to this configuration, so why is Microsoft hurt? They aren't. In fact, I'm sure they encouraged it. Maybe even had the idea in the first place. | Sep 23 23:16 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @hidenosuke retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 23 23:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jacobgadikian/status/779443970690560000 | Sep 23 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jacobgadikian: @schestowitz ...in the long-term I don't know if we can save the engineering part of @linuxfoundation from the business part. I hope so. | Sep 23 23:17 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: true | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | therein lies the key thing about UEFI | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I often blamed Intel as much as I did Microsoft | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was riding the wave created mostly by Intel | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | their management for the group was mostly Intel people | Sep 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | they did a telephone conference with me | Sep 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | 3 of them, the heads | Sep 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | and I asked them to verify Intel paid their salary | Sep 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | they failed to convince me to change my stance | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/PhilippeLoctaux/status/779444797560020992 | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @PhilippeLoctaux #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 23:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 23 23:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Lenovo is a culmination of many people's longstanding phobia over UEFI | Sep 23 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Intel isn't running EFI anymore. They turned over the spec to a "consortium", and it's a terrible spec. 7,000 pages. Contradicts itself. There will certainly be thousands of bugs. It's basically a rootkit....and so on. | Sep 23 23:19 |
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| DaemonFC | It solved several problems with BIOS at the expense of creating at least 100 problems for every one it solved. | Sep 23 23:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 23 23:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779445374150971392 | Sep 23 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Containerized Production Environments: Networking, | Sep 23 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security, and Storage https://t.co/CiWGsxskcG | Sep 23 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thenewstack.io) | Sep 23 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 23:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | Containerized Production Environments: Networking, Security, and Storage - The New Stack | Sep 23 23:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779446239456817152 | Sep 23 23:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.22 Streamlines Into Tumbleweed | Sep 23 23:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rmnPQdRMHc (news.opensuse.org) | Sep 23 23:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 23 23:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE News | Sep 23 23:25 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779447268864909312 | Sep 23 23:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enlightenment EFL Adds Atomic Modesetting, Nuclear | Sep 23 23:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Page-Flipping https://t.co/cnwMjiHARX (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 23 23:29 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 24 02:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.linux.com/publications/linux-kernel-development-how-fast-it-going-who-doing-it-what-they-are-doing-and-who-5 | Sep 24 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Kernel Development: How Fast It is Going, Who is Doing It, What They are Doing, and Who is Sponsoring It [2016] | Linux.com | The source for Linux information [ http://ur1.ca/psen4 ] | Sep 24 02:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Intel is still in the top 10. | Sep 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was for a while when they were writing their own hyper-v driver. | Sep 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | People acted like they were making Linux better. | Sep 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3121792/open-source-tools/whos-no-1-in-open-source-microsoft.html | Sep 24 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who's No. 1 in open source? Microsoft! | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/ps5yw ] | Sep 24 03:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I said this guy was a problem when Canonical hired him. | Sep 24 03:04 |
| cubexyz | come on... | Sep 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | Matt Asay | Sep 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/3032647/open-source-tools/face-it-theres-no-money-in-open-source.html | Sep 24 03:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Face it: There's no money in open source | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/oit6a ] | Sep 24 03:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat bashing. Making wild claims. | Sep 24 03:06 |
| cubexyz | I'm a stock holder, so pfffft | Sep 24 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | Clickbait. Glad I use my ad blocker because it says it blocked 25 items on this site. | Sep 24 03:06 |
| cubexyz | sysadmin jobs? | Sep 24 03:07 |
| cubexyz | ok, well give "info"world a miss | Sep 24 03:08 |
| cubexyz | lots of ways to make money with FOSS | Sep 24 03:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.osdisc.com sells CDs and DVDs with exactly that | Sep 24 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OSDisc.com - Buy Linux CDs, DVDs, USB Flash Drives, Books, Software Repositories - Your source for open source. | Sep 24 03:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Not with the software itself, usually, but there are business models that make money with open source. Lots of money. | Sep 24 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | He's just clickbaiting. He's a charlatan. | Sep 24 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | He didn't last too long at Canonical. Still uses it on his resume. He's like the open source world version of Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. | Sep 24 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | They hire him and then find out he can't actually do anything useful and it's all a deception. | Sep 24 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Lenovos-Signature-Edition-hold-Superfish-heavy-RAID | Sep 24 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/3123113/windows-pcs/impending-cumulative-updates-unnerve-windows-patch-experts.html | Sep 24 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | Individual patches for Windows 7 and 8.1 are coming to an end, meaning that you will have to install several hundred MB megapatches, Windows 10 style, and hope they don't break something important. | Sep 24 05:42 |
| cubexyz | I hear we actually have something like transparent aluminium now | Sep 24 05:46 |
| cubexyz | magnesium aluminate | Sep 24 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Sep 24 05:48 |
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| r_schestowitz | [03:04] <DaemonFC> I said this guy was a problem when Canonical hired him. | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Mac Asay, yes | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Red Hat folks call him Asayroll | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | as in troll | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | That was years ago, I don't think they even mention him anymore | Sep 24 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | His blog posts all seem to be the same thing. | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | he used to work for Novell, also applied for a job at Microsoft | Sep 24 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I think even they rejected him as an applicant | Sep 24 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat bashing followed by "No money in open source." | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | now at Adobe, I suppose still | Sep 24 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Put it in a blender, change the title, hit Submit | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he doesn't write the titles | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | editors typically do | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | in The Register they used pretty bad headlines for him | Sep 24 07:28 |
| r_schestowitz | he blocked me in Twitter after I had criticised him | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | very thin skinned, I didn't even speak to him | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | we were like online friends a decade ago | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | back then he was a GPL proponent | Sep 24 07:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Then, later on, he.....changed | Sep 24 07:31 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:00] <DaemonFC> Microsoft was for a while when they were writing their own hyper-v driver. | Sep 24 07:33 |
| r_schestowitz | it's worse than you put it | Sep 24 07:33 |
| r_schestowitz | to rebutal their lies | Sep 24 07:33 |
| r_schestowitz | tell them MS pushed, temporarily: | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | 1. proprietary software crap | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | hyperv http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Sep 24 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/cpdmt ] | Sep 24 07:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | 2. it was initially a GPL violation | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | ! | Sep 24 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | See http://techrights.org/2009/07/24/microsoft-gpl-compliance/ | Sep 24 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Claims GPL Compliance Came Before Any Violation Claims | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e2 ] | Sep 24 07:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/08/01/groklaw-on-microsoft-gpl-violations/ | Sep 24 07:35 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/07/28/microsoft-violation-of-the-gplv2/ | Sep 24 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Groklaw on Microsoft’s GPL Violation and Microsoft on the GPL | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e0 ] | Sep 24 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Did Violate the GPLv2 | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ps0e4 ] | Sep 24 07:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | "to rebuttal">"to rebut" | Sep 24 07:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I see this lie a lot | Sep 24 07:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I can't believe the Linux camp has this many "useful idiots" | Sep 24 07:36 |
| r_schestowitz | there's also a 3. | Sep 24 07:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft poorly maintain the code for proprorietary code it had pushed in | Sep 24 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | (with back doors) | Sep 24 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | and Greg K-H publicly complained about it | Sep 24 07:39 |
| r_schestowitz | so the code was more of a curse than a blessing for 3 reasons, DaemonFC | Sep 24 07:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 07:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7874537 | Sep 24 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hardly surprised that a #microsoft and #uefi apologist wrote this http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html see techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ #lenovo #gnu #linux | Sep 24 07:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems | Sep 24 07:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "They have a near infinite cash sink, they can make anyone write anything. They underestimate us." | Sep 24 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | "Dafuq you just wrote. Matthew is the first who opposed UEFI but ended up writing code so Linux can get installed on new hardware and not crying as you two. Man even got award for such thing and is on board of FSF directors sperheading a lot of Free software advocacy in more ways than most. What did you two do for Free software? Btw, Matthew works for CoreOS as Security Engineer, also showed the golden key exploits really works for UEFI - | Sep 24 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so Microsft is not his deal…" | Sep 24 07:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor "Hanlon’s razor perhaps applies to Lenovo’s actions here." | Sep 24 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwu ] | Sep 24 07:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | I publicly opposed the way FSF treated Matthew at the time, for reason I explained in many articles. I don't view him as a friend of FOSS. | Sep 24 07:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7882420 | Sep 24 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #lenovo #intel & #microsoft are now fighting among each other over who's to blame for blocking #gnu #linux and #unix (they're all complicit) | Sep 24 07:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor" | Sep 24 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | "They are not blocking Linux, it’s worse, they are blocking Free Software." | Sep 24 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | UNIX too | Sep 24 07:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7876153 | Sep 24 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux "lockout" tangle snarls Lenovo http://boingboing.net/2016/09/21/lenovo-reportedly-has-agreem.html #gnu #linux #vista10 #uefi #microsoft #lenovo | Sep 24 07:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Linux "lockout" tangle snarls Lenovo / Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/psfmf ] | Sep 24 07:56 | |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I’m worried about the false narrative implications of this one. Apparently, this was a hybrid attack where UEFI implemented an older style hostile hardware denial of gnu/linux. The apologists are ignoring UEFI to give us the decades old excuse, “Those hobbyists just aren’t in the loop and don’t have the drivers for this one.” That false perception can mask more deliberate attacks in the future if people let their guard down. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | UEFI is Microsoft’s infrastructure to nuke gnu/linux but they can’t do it all at once. They can mess with people even if they no longer run Windows, and even if Windows was never installed, because UEFI is network aware. They can identify gnu/linux users with the same infrastructure Edward Snowden showed us the NSA and Microsoft contractors used to identify “sysadmins”. The two combined give Microsoft the ability to launch denial | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | of service attacks that will be hard to detect. Extra vigilance is called for by anyone who’s trying to run free software on top of UEFI. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Those are the crap models of "Signature" PC on sale. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | You can't do anything with them. Probably clearing stock. Doubt it has anything to do with something I said. | Sep 24 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Matthew Garrett jumps to Microsoft and Intel’s defense, how sickening. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Microsoft and Intel made this awful UEFI for the sole purpose of controlling what gets booted. Even Garrett admits the implementation does little or nothing for actual security. The implementation did make booting GNU/Linux much harder and make doing so almost pointless. UEFI is a complete, non free OS that can betray the user no matter what software the user “chooses” from the list of allowed operating systems. Microsoft can withdraw | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | their key at anytime, for any reason which will nuke your ability to boot gnu/linux. For people that value their freedom, that might be better than running on top of UEFI. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | Given that reality, it beggars imagination that Garrett would say, “Neither interpretation [of Lenovo’s Microsoft Lock Down Agreement] indicates that there’s a deliberate attempt to prevent users from installing their choice of operating system.” He reaches this conclusion by saying the equipment won’t run without good power management, that not many people want to run GNU/Linux anyway, and that, “there are several free | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | operating systems that support UEFI Secure Boot and have appropriate signatures.” Wow, just wow. He’ll probably use the same logic when all hardware is like this shit because nothing reasonable has been made in seven years. Because, Microsoft made installing free software extremely difficult and mostly pointless on such hardware, he can conclude they never intended to block free software. All evidence of success at blocking free | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | software is turned into Microsoft and Intel defense. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | This is a new low for Garrett. | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | ' | Sep 24 07:58 |
| r_schestowitz | I agree, disturbing to see so many people defending him and FSF giving him an award. He helped popularise UEFI 'secure' boot with shim | Sep 24 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, How did he get the software freedom award in 2013? | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: it profoundly changed Lenovo this past week | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | they hoped for puff "yoga" pieces | Sep 24 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any changes. | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | instead if was all negative publicity everywhere | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | if you look at Google new, the negatives outnumber the positive by a factor of about 7:1 | Sep 24 07:59 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I opposed the FSF on this | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I think that's the first time I disagreed with the FSF, and strongly | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | remember he also helped Drama Queen Sarah Sharp | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | and then slagged off GNU/Linux | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | in favour of BSD | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | he calls himself "SJW" and has a flair to that effect in reddit | Sep 24 08:00 |
| r_schestowitz | he uses a lot of bad language and insults | Sep 24 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Do you know anyone else that could write a patch and get it mainlined to kick these fake raid Ultrabooks out of RAID and into AHCI mode after the BIOS exits? | Sep 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that Garrett is....reliable. He might do something, so he can praise himself for it. | Sep 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't care why as long as it worked and made it into the upstream kernel somehow. | Sep 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think the only reason he wrote that patch for the G33M-S Foxconn board was to show that he could do it with two lines of code and then say "See, look. Happens all the time. No sabotage here!". | Sep 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | The problem only took two lines of code to fix once it was known what the problem was, but it was copying undocumented Windows behavior that fixed it. | Sep 24 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | And no telling how many systems had that bugged BIOS (Foxconn makes boards for many vendors). | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | People install Linux, go "Huh....broked." and leave. | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | *broken | Sep 24 08:18 |
| r_schestowitz | agreed | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | but anyway, I don't engage with him directly much | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | he's not a pleasant person | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | he commented many times in techrights | Sep 24 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | reasoning with him is like debating a religious person about "Creation" | Sep 24 08:26 |
| r_schestowitz | you think you make a compelling argument | Sep 24 08:26 |
| r_schestowitz | but the coin never falls in | Sep 24 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I have seen worse than that from him | Sep 24 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | The Linu kernel fork....lol | Sep 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | *Linux | Sep 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz | can't be bothered to look it up (swear words) | Sep 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | He is a very abusive person. | Sep 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | Typical SJW. | Sep 24 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | me: "Trying to reproduce this on several of my desktops/laptops and Android devices, I have no success. I don't have any iOS/Mac OS X devices. Do we know of any non-Apple platform where these errors appear? Browsershots shows many results for many browsers, but it does not do Macs, either." | Sep 24 09:07 |
| schestowitz | some client having issues with certs only on Apple stuff | Sep 24 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | [–]BaronHK[S] 1 point 2 minutes ago | Sep 24 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | Why doesn't Microsoft just implement manual driver overrides so horrible kludges like putting it in fake RAID mode so the generic driver doesn't load aren't necessary? Linux supports this. Why doesn't Windows? | Sep 24 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RiCHi/status/779599479108493312 | Sep 24 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RiCHi: @schestowitz thanks for sharing my new @PetriFeed column! For more #ITNP like this: https://t.co/xFmmNwlkBh | Sep 24 09:35 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 23/9/2016: Latest Microsoft and Lenovo Spin (Now in ‘Damage Control’ Mode) | Techrights | Sep 24 09:37 | |
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| schestowitz | theguardian puts this in the source of all pages now: | Sep 24 09:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @scargill ah bluepill! Maybe one day FrostedOS will run on there... But already with Arduino IDE and USB support it is amazing for the price | Sep 24 10:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LXQt 0.11 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 11:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7883697 | Sep 24 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer the #GNOME 3.22 Desktop http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-tumbleweed-is-the-first-linux-distro-to-offer-the-gnome-3-22-desktop-508600.shtml | Sep 24 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunately, that’s only half of the truth. Because of Bug https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000878 a couple of GNOME 3.22 applications didn’t find the way into tumbleweed at the moment. So, it’s only a half GNOME 3.22 in tumbleweed at the moment." | Sep 24 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | openSUSE Tumbleweed Is the First Stable Distro to Offer the GNOME 3.22 Desktop - Updated | Sep 24 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.opensuse.org | Bug 1000878 – gnome-software was not updated together with GNOME 3.22 in Tumbleweed snapshot | Sep 24 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting, maybe somewhat of a publicity stunt then | Sep 24 12:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jjardon/status/778290685921271808 | Sep 24 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjardon: Brilliant @mjg59 talk at @LASGNOME ; I actually started to use Libre software more because I felt "safer" using it https://t.co/azKQQ7OH3w | Sep 24 12:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjardon: Brilliant @mjg59 talk at @LASGNOME ; I actually started to use Libre software more because I felt "safer" using it https://t.co/azKQQ7OH3w | Sep 24 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | daemonfc should see this | Sep 24 12:53 |
| schestowitz | the UEFI apologist | Sep 24 12:53 |
| cubexyz | mjg59 isn't a coreboot developer | Sep 24 13:31 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't put too much stock in what he has to say about coreboot | Sep 24 13:31 |
| Tervy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/23/capcom_street_fighter_v/ | Sep 24 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Double KO! Capcom's Street Fighter V installs hidden rootkit on PCs • The Register | Sep 24 13:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/ptheoiasptk/status/779657647607930880 | Sep 24 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to Offer | Sep 24 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ptheoiasptk the #GNOME 3.22 Desktop https://t.co/I6SQDC0u6E | Sep 24 13:32 |
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| cubexyz | you can ask the coreboot people questions directly via #coreboot | Sep 24 13:32 |
| Tervy | dunno if the link was related to chat but i thought its close enough what comes to bad practices | Sep 24 13:34 |
| cubexyz | of course you can't just slap coreboot on anything | Sep 24 13:35 |
| cubexyz | there's one exception to the chromebook using coreboot... | Sep 24 13:43 |
| cubexyz | the CR48 prototype didn't use coreboot | Sep 24 13:43 |
| cubexyz | and some of the ARM chromebooks use uboot | Sep 24 13:44 |
| cubexyz | so it's far less work to do the chromebook/box thing and use crouton | Sep 24 13:48 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Vitexus favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | Tervy: sony-like baheviour | Sep 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | behaviour | Sep 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's a Japanese thing, rooting people's PCs and having a play on them | Sep 24 13:52 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the DRAM controller itself is under NDA... a bit tricky! | Sep 24 13:55 |
| cubexyz | the poor ol' bestbuy lackey isn't going to know that | Sep 24 13:56 |
| cubexyz | I've set up one machine just for studying coreboot and it's two branches: | Sep 24 13:58 |
| cubexyz | 3rd-party (google) and regular | Sep 24 13:58 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @_alfalco favourited '#openSUSE #Tumbleweed Is the First Linux Distro to...' | Sep 24 14:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zdjnbu/status/779668100560130048 | Sep 24 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zdjnbu: Could #google kill off #twitter like it did with #jaiku and numerous other services? https://t.co/mG8Zh2IEXV | Sep 24 14:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #twitter has nothing but network effect. Buying it is a waste. It's like #microsoft buying #skype - utter failure. https://t.co/1hwtZ1rcWV | Sep 24 14:07 | |
| cubexyz | Ron Minnich is one of coreboot's primary developers... and he was quite happy with google's chromebooks | Sep 24 14:09 |
| cubexyz | you can listen to his talk on linux luddites here: | Sep 24 14:11 |
| cubexyz | https://linuxluddites.com/shows/episode-49/ | Sep 24 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxluddites.com | Episode #49 | Linux Luddites | Sep 24 14:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779670305950339073 | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Google tweets that it's 'whipping up something sweet' in | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | honor of Android's birthday https://t.co/EZgjXuoDNq | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.greenbot.com) | Sep 24 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google tweets that it's 'whipping up something sweet' in honor of Android's birthday | Greenbot | Sep 24 14:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779670631357054976 | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Report: Android 7.1 and Pixel Launcher will support 3D | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Touch inspired shortcuts https://t.co/iH35L7jq4v | Sep 24 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Sep 24 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report: Android 7.1 and Pixel Launcher will support 3D Touch inspired shortcuts | PCWorld | Sep 24 14:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779673741123055616 | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Z2 now released in Indonesia | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YEgoVAM77c (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z2 now released in Indonesia - Tizen Experts | Sep 24 14:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779675989702021120 | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Xiaomi's Android TV box showed up at a Walmart for $69 | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/t4QXTCNXrD (www.engadget.com) | Sep 24 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Xiaomi's Android TV box showed up at a Walmart for $69 | Sep 24 14:50 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @GasssTn favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779679319996137472 | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | G1, celebrate their 8th birthdays today | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/g58XP2y6xU (www.androidpolice.com) | Sep 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile G1, celebrate their 8th birthdays today | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @elbekgt favourited 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 14:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @elbekgt retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 14:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin favourited 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 14:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android and its first purchasable product, the T-Mobile...' | Sep 24 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/dansker6/status/779680684038316032 | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @dansker6 #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 14:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 14:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 24 15:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @KriegDuWar favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 15:13 | |
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| MinceR | http://prebake.eu/ | Sep 24 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prebake.eu | Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock | Sep 24 15:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/josanneves/status/779685150615539712 | Sep 24 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @josanneves #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 15:34 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/saladinahmed/status/728061231786041344 | Sep 24 15:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saladinahmed: DONALD TRUMP AND TED CRUZ is an anagram of TURD TZAR AND CLONED DUMP | Sep 24 15:44 | |
| MinceR | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k2Jj2dXyZJI/V-LkKfv03_I/AAAAAAAAf0Q/Rkgfj2HOHfY5n9d7hrJIS3EhOeKgocqbgCLcB/s1600/awesome-picture-3.jpg | Sep 24 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | namechange? | Sep 24 15:49 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/dinosaurs | Sep 24 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dinosaurs [ http://ur1.ca/pshvz ] | Sep 24 16:28 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @LindseyNaticchi favourited '#gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew' | Sep 24 16:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/779707599423889412 | Sep 24 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz hate speech is part of free speech, no? | Sep 24 16:47 | |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V | Sep 24 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RISC-V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Sep 24 16:47 | |
| schestowitz | There's an asterisk on free speech when politicians use the term, e.g. to berate other countries | Sep 24 16:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-problems | Sep 24 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley Problems | Sep 24 17:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Bouguikk favourited 'Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with...' | Sep 24 17:16 | |
| Renard | hope they're planning to create a UI that actually can fit on screens this release | Sep 24 17:16 |
| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ogh-1.jpg | Sep 24 17:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good ones, thanks | Sep 24 17:30 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 24 17:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/boguszmichal/status/779722769122652161 | Sep 24 17:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 17:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @boguszmichal #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 17:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 17:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 17:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Released Late on a Friday, EPO Social 'Study' Attempts to Blame Staff for Everything http://techrights.org/2016/09/24/epo-social-study-late-friday/ … | Sep 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | i reused some text, unusually (for me) | Sep 24 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Released Late on a Friday, EPO Social ‘Study’ (Battistelli-Commissioned Propaganda) Attempts to Blame Staff for Everything | Techrights | Sep 24 17:48 | |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2016/07/14/make-mars-great-again/ | Sep 24 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pidjin.net | Make Mars great again - Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/psi82 ] | Sep 24 17:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/cho2MLHC/status/779732648881115136 | Sep 24 18:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Celebrating #gnomerelease in #releaseparty in #manchester | Sep 24 18:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @cho2MLHC #uk with #gnomelove cake and drinks | Sep 24 18:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BqcmQUFds | Sep 24 18:22 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/humans | Sep 24 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Humans | Sep 24 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/cho2MLHC/status/779732667109474304 | Sep 24 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #GNOME Release Party #Manchester https://t.co/9k6AB6wq2j | Sep 24 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @cho2MLHC (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeparty #gnomelove #codethink | Sep 24 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Release Party Manchester | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734786520645632 | Sep 24 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen News https://t.co/oHNhyk6L3y (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen News | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734787648913410 | Sep 24 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat News https://t.co/D5kQCB4dKM | Sep 24 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734788877844480 | Sep 24 18:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security News https://t.co/EG33Z04P9U | Sep 24 18:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734789892878336 | Sep 24 18:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/lWFtGKABNJ | Sep 24 18:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/779734790861828096 | Sep 24 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.7.5 https://t.co/KuaZJpo5Qx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 18:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.7.5 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:35 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVVNuraly8&feature=youtu.be | Sep 24 18:37 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/szetnRM.gifv | Sep 24 18:42 |
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| MinceR | http://theralphretort.com/youtube-heroes-program-makes-censorship-role-playing-game/ | Sep 24 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theralphretort.com | YouTube "Heroes" Program Makes Censorship Into a Role-Playing Game | Sep 24 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines http://twitter.com/codethink/status/779742325799063552 | Sep 24 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #gnomeparty #manchester #gnomelove | Sep 24 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @codethink https://t.co/YOQp8x98ew | Sep 24 19:01 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/UChND | Sep 24 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: those videos are mp4s | Sep 24 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I guess mozilla paid mpeg-la for this | Sep 24 19:27 |
| schestowitz | and now tey spread this crap as embedded | Sep 24 19:28 |
| schestowitz | instead of FOSS things like vp9 or ogg | Sep 24 19:28 |
| schestowitz | or even GIF | Sep 24 19:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 24 19:28 |
| MinceR | and the w3c rubberstamped it too | Sep 24 19:28 |
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| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> yes, sad.... and it's treated like business as usual now because even the FOSS browser, Firefox, support it now. and DRM (EME) also, starting with last week's release | Sep 24 19:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> IRC been funky this morning (early) and again now | Sep 24 19:50 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:43] <r_schestowitz> I think it's the freenode network | Sep 24 19:50 |
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| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/2016/09/21/photographer-travels-to-famous-landmarks-faces-wrong-direction/ | Sep 24 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Photographer Travels to Famous Landmarks, Faces Wrong Direction – Pleated-Jeans.com [ http://ur1.ca/psio8 ] | Sep 24 19:52 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 24 19:59 | |
| schestowitz | Cannot vote in the US... | Sep 24 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779758291727429632 | Sep 24 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: Who do you support for Prez? https://t.co/0vtFRrW2Pp | Sep 24 20:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @AmyLoveanpeace @BLongStPaul @DrJillStein @HillaryClinton @realDonaldTrump Cannot vote in the US... | Sep 24 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | Greens | Sep 24 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AmyLoveanpeace/status/779760967659814913 | Sep 24 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AmyLoveanpeace: Feel the jill!:) https://t.co/MSxBuIrXRf | Sep 24 20:15 | |
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