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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/wtSvOCHiuHNov 22 04:33
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 04:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Nov 22 04:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 22 04:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Running a mainline kernel on a cellphoneNov 22 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/b4sIvmsDph (lwn.net)Nov 22 04:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Running a mainline kernel on a cellphone [LWN.net]Nov 22 04:33
msb_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V15rnpZ_hV4Nov 22 05:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Cats invade G20 summit stage in feline security breach - YouTubeNov 22 05:34
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msb__.Nov 22 06:31
msb__Ukrainian Nazis blew up powerlines supplying Crimea:  https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/Nov 22 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up — RT NewsNov 22 06:44
oiaohmmsb__: particularly bad time to be down in power thinking they are entering their winter.Nov 22 06:46
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schestowitzmsb__: off topic hereNov 22 06:54
msb__Antiaircraft systems sold to ISIL from Ukraine, shipped to Syria:  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/151119203924350.htmlNov 22 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Kuwait says it busted international ISIL support cell - Al Jazeera EnglishNov 22 06:54
schestowitzmsb__: off topic hereNov 22 06:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Australia suffers another data leakNov 22 08:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ar7UTeBxXp (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 08:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Tux MachinesNov 22 08:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Australia suffers another data leak Nov 22 08:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Tos6ubOy3M (www.itwire.com)Nov 22 08:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Linux Australia suffers another data leakNov 22 08:12
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schestowitz> x http://time.com/4121798/microsoft-lumia-950-review/Nov 22 08:50
schestowitz> Nov 22 08:50
schestowitz> "M$ Most __ Evar" formulaNov 22 08:50
schestowitz> Nov 22 08:50
schestowitz> There is a hell of a lot of M$ spam in all the mainstream media the lastNov 22 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com | Microsoft Lumia 950 Windows 10 Phone ReviewNov 22 08:50
schestowitz> few days.Nov 22 08:50
schestowitzyes, I think that the best approach is to ignore these. I'm too busy with urgent EPO things to rebut Microsoft crap at the moment, unless it's something severe and anti-Linux.Nov 22 08:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422378410541056   https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422379412963329Nov 22 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Dr. Roy Schestowitz @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fio... https://t.co/HryVAy6nl7 #GOPNov 22 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQaNov 22 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Privacy Now! @All4Privacy: RT @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (... https://t.co/cM8mGnbmzl #GOPNov 22 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQaNov 22 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by All4Privacy)Nov 22 08:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zaurav/status/668426463985704961Nov 22 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zaurav: @schestowitz no it’s not. And the text that distinguishes it as an ad is place AFTER the ad so you read it like a tweet. Hoodwinking.Nov 22 08:54
schestowitztwitter is spammed with ads nowNov 22 08:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FreeScots45/status/668426743078912000Nov 22 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeScots45: mass surveillance is not about catching terrorists, it's about controlling the masses with terrorism as the excuse https://t.co/sxCx54T03vNov 22 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. mass surveillance has not thwarted a single large scale terrorist attack and blame is on @Snowden https://t.co/GJ41iB3B4aNov 22 08:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433074338865152   https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433647641456640Nov 22 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz "...has a duty of care... must protect our employees, independently of... status." In some country this is "faccia di merda".Nov 22 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @ghabuntu @schestowitz apparently they don't know that there are other "families" in the world. Good ones, forget about it...Nov 22 09:21
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668439784919015424Nov 22 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz we need status net back!Nov 22 09:45
schestowitzindeed, but well overdue, there's gnu socialNov 22 09:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440468280238080Nov 22 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz gnud point ;0)Nov 22 09:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440652582141952Nov 22 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz That was a very poor pun. Nude point? Good point!Nov 22 09:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668444864011304960Nov 22 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7pNov 22 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7pNov 22 10:04
schestowitzThanks for enlightening meNov 22 10:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445264194048000Nov 22 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz no problem; I enjoy your work.Nov 22 10:05
schestowitzWas it IRA? Which year?Nov 22 10:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445721465520128Nov 22 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz that was al-Qaeda, same day as the subway attacks, which overshadowed it, IIRCNov 22 10:11
schestowitzhttp://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/november/lin-anonymous-isis-111815.html http://www.businessinsider.com.au/anonymous-war-isis-gripes-2015-11Nov 22 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.stanford.edu | Stanford cybersecurity expert Herb Lin analyzes Anonymous' hacking attacks on ISIS [ http://ur1.ca/ob37p ]Nov 22 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com.au | Some Anonymous members are complaining about the 'war' on ISIS | Business InsiderNov 22 10:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/668450089355059200Nov 22 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pinguinpatje: We don't need Fox, we have "our" government... https://t.co/50lnt0b87oNov 22 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #newscorp Fox 'news' uses #parisAttacks to promote radical right wingers https://t.co/sayKoMSF3UNov 22 10:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/668450300819316737Nov 22 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz IRA? Al-Qaeda?Nov 22 10:30
schestowitzyes, someone pointed this out to meNov 22 10:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668451897330667520Nov 22 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Also, with due respect (as I share your distaste for pervasive 'domestic' surveillance, and favor freedom of information)...Nov 22 10:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256Nov 22 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz ... there is considerable evidence of IRGC/Hezbollah presence in SA, including their involvement in the attack on the Israeli..Nov 22 10:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256Nov 22 10:34
schestowitzArgentina is said to have that, as well as many 'good' or 'reformed' Nazis http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thehistoryofargentina/a/Why-Did-Argentina-Accept-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-World-War-Two.htmNov 22 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latinamericanhistory.about.com | Why Did Argentina Accept Nazi War Criminals After WWII?Nov 22 10:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ODF - the state of play - The future of ODFNov 22 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 under OASIS, now that the standards war is won.Nov 22 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 11:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Tux MachinesNov 22 11:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.xNov 22 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Stack for Better Bluetooth SupportNov 22 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3PNI9pUtle (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 11:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Tux MachinesNov 22 11:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ODF - the state of play - The future of ODFNov 22 13:49
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    under OASIS, now that the standards war is won.Nov 22 13:49
TweetTuxMachines @speedytux      https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 13:49
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cubexyzinteresting points about Unix v6:Nov 22 14:50
cubexyzhttp://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060616172103795Nov 22 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - UNIX Methods and Concepts: Putting the Genie Back in the Bottle, by Salus & ToomeyNov 22 14:50
cubexyzthere's another interesting story there...Nov 22 14:58
cubexyzeverything up to v7 is totally out in the openNov 22 14:58
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cubexyzbut v8, v9 and v10 is notNov 22 14:58
cubexyzI have no idea why not, but it's notNov 22 14:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Three Cool Features Nice to Have WhenNov 22 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu DesktopNov 22 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/n58vLIKFQM (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 14:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Tux MachinesNov 22 14:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNU Radio Drives OscilloscopeNov 22 14:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BiM6xTNqkQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 14:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Tux MachinesNov 22 14:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This WeekNov 22 15:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qD6LgcCgqZ (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 15:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Tux MachinesNov 22 15:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, OtherNov 22 15:36
TweetTuxMachines                 New Releases https://t.co/sGICbM3De3Nov 22 15:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 15:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other New Releases | Tux MachinesNov 22 15:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME, KDE Leftovers https://t.co/mntIBQUobSNov 22 15:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 15:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME, KDE Leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 22 15:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting...'Nov 22 15:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/LinuxNov 22 16:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/iFKf9FQtfv (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 16:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesNov 22 16:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6Nov 22 16:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EyneE360ib (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 16:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Tux MachinesNov 22 16:07
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schestowitzcubexyz: thanks for the memory of groklawNov 22 17:28
schestowitzno chance of it coming back, I guessNov 22 17:28
schestowitzwebbink ran it for a whileNov 22 17:28
schestowitzhe's with red hat nowNov 22 17:28
schestowitzMicrosoft's partner standstill buddiesNov 22 17:28
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msb__Groklaw is still there, it just hasn't been updated in two years.Nov 22 17:42
schestowitzyes, I knowNov 22 17:43
msb__schestowitz: But your sites have pretty much taken over the same function (and more).Nov 22 17:43
msb__Perhaps microshit has learned to hide and shred more effectively than they did before (e.g., the Comes case).Nov 22 17:46
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oiaohmI would not say Microsoft has got better at hidding the facts.Nov 22 17:51
MinceRpeople have gotten worse at caring, thoughNov 22 17:52
MinceRi didn't see a lot of outrage about the botnettier, spywarey-er vista10Nov 22 17:53
oiaohmNot that either.   If people cared about security XP would not have sold.Nov 22 17:55
oiaohmSince Windows 10 screw up lot of governement have annonced plans to migrate to open source.Nov 22 17:55
oiaohmSo there has been some document evidence of outrage.Nov 22 17:56
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cubexyzif what I see on the Microsoft forums is any indication people are definitely jumping shipNov 22 19:01
schestowitzemployees tooNov 22 19:02
schestowitzif they canNov 22 19:02
MinceRand crApple made closed, dumbed-down systems hipNov 22 19:03
schestowitzunless they get fired, tooNov 22 19:03
cubexyzchromebooks, apple stuff, bsd, linux, etcNov 22 19:03
cubexyzyes, well lots of room for improvement still :)Nov 22 19:03
MinceRand humanity is making some more room for improvementNov 22 19:03
MinceRby making things worseNov 22 19:03
cubexyzeven the console folks are complaining about MicrosoftNov 22 19:04
msb__MinceR: Psychopathy is part of the human genome.  New psychopathic individuals, organizations, and actions will always spring up.  From Babylon 5:Nov 22 19:14
msb__Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war...Nov 22 19:14
msb__but not completely.Nov 22 19:14
msb__Delenn: The war is never completely won.Nov 22 19:14
msb__There are always new battles to be foughtNov 22 19:14
msb__against the darkness.Nov 22 19:14
msb__Only the names change.Nov 22 19:14
MinceR"I cast Magic Missile at the darkness!"Nov 22 19:14
MinceRonce humanity exterminates itself, it will no longer be able to fight wars, thoughNov 22 19:15
msb__That's your paranoid fantasy.  It's not going to happen.Nov 22 19:15
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msb__FOSS _is_ a Magic Missile -- no mass, no cost, infinitely replicable, available to everyone.  We're onto a good thing here!Nov 22 19:19
MinceRMagic Missiles can only be targeted at creatures, not "the darkness"Nov 22 19:21
msb__I'm not familiar with whatever game you're talking about.  I was referring to the general concept.  The attack that could come closest to extermination might be an engineered  biowar virus.  But some people will still be immune, and if you keep a few pounds of Vitamin C around, you will probably be able to beat it.Nov 22 19:24
MinceRhttp://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicMissile.htmNov 22 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.d20srd.org | Magic Missile :: d20srd.orgNov 22 19:26
msb__Basically, Magick is accomlishing things simply by being in a conscious frame of mind, and speaking particular words.  That describes FOSS!Nov 22 19:31
msb__The words are the source code.Nov 22 19:32
msb__It's very powerful.  We just have to keep it under control to avoid things like Skynet or the Krell machine.Nov 22 19:33
msb__Or nanotech grey goo.Nov 22 19:34
msb__Or Colossus the Forbin Project.  This is where sci-fi is very important.  There has been a lot of thought put into these things.  Asimov wrote a whole book of stories about robots that found ways to circumvent his Three Laws.Nov 22 19:38
msb__Rule #1:  Do NOT put nuclear weapons under control by autonomous AIs.Nov 22 19:41
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msb__Good Lord!  Colossus had discrete transistor electronics and used punched paper tape!  Nov 22 20:00
msb__Rule #2:  Do not let locatedb run if some of your disks aren't mounted.Nov 22 20:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP!Nov 22 20:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mO87Gi3L1H (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 22 20:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Tux MachinesNov 22 20:02
msb__Oh, and Nixie tubes!Nov 22 20:03
msb__Rule #3:  If a computer has Nixie tube readouts, don't think it's too stupid to be dangerous.  Somebody had a lot of money to throw around.Nov 22 20:05
msb__Rule #4:  Don't give good software negative names like "The GIMP".Nov 22 20:07
msb__...You could piss it off and it could turn against you.Nov 22 20:11
MinceR:>Nov 22 20:15
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TweetTuxMachines                 Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu DesktopNov 22 20:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/53IBhLfhw1 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 22 20:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu DesktopNov 22 20:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Some Android users face quandry with USB-CNov 22 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/VLQmiQSNaS (www.usatoday.com)Nov 22 20:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Some Android users face quandry with USB-CNov 22 20:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "But a task often involves launching severalNov 22 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 applications." https://t.co/liLfm2MmQ4Nov 22 20:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Apps and tools every Android power user shouldNov 22 20:25
TweetTuxMachines                 have on their device #3 https://t.co/fkY3lu48qtNov 22 20:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Apps and tools every Android power user should have on their device #3Nov 22 20:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google to launch Android Play app store inNov 23 03:45
TweetTuxMachines                 China next year? https://t.co/UGX0MRd4FqNov 23 03:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (indianexpress.com)Nov 23 03:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Google to launch Android Play app store in China next year? | The Indian ExpressNov 23 03:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.xNov 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Stack for Better Bluetooth SupportNov 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Yk8DFrKYqv (news.softpedia.com)Nov 23 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth SupportNov 23 03:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Harald, Jonathan Riddell, and new #muon forNov 23 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #kde users https://t.co/4wzRQdFfObNov 23 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (apachelog.wordpress.com) great stuff. #freeswNov 23 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxNov 23 03:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apachelog.wordpress.com | Muon 5.5 and Carrots | やったNov 23 03:57
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schestowitzMinceR: seems as though RMS hardly even knew/kept up with the MS-Red Hat deal.Nov 23 03:58
schestowitzRichard Stallman wrote on 23/11/15 02:09:Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz>   > To put it concisely, Red Hat signed a deal with Microsoft which not onlyNov 23 03:58
schestowitz>   > involved technical work but also what they call patent "standstill".Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> In concrete terms, what did they agree to do?Nov 23 03:58
schestowitzIt is effectively a technical collaboration which also involves a ceasefire regarding patents.Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> It is impossible to discuss whether it is good or badNov 23 03:58
schestowitz> until we know what it _is_.Nov 23 03:58
schestowitzWe know too little about the patent aspects.Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz>   > wordingNov 23 03:58
schestowitz>   > in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency, so oneNov 23 03:58
schestowitz>   > cannot verify these claims.Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz> You seem to be talking about text I have not seen.Nov 23 03:58
schestowitzI will quote the relevant part for you:Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz___________________________________________Nov 23 03:58
schestowitz4. Does the new partnership address patents?Nov 23 03:58
schestowitzRed Hat and Microsoft have agreed to a limited patent arrangement in connection with the commercial partnership for the benefit of mutual customers.Nov 23 03:59
schestowitzThe heart of the arrangement is a patent standstill that provides that neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering. Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property.Nov 23 03:59
schestowitzThe partnership is between commercial companies related to their common customer offerings, spurred by customer demand. Both parties carefully designed for FOSS licensing compliance in building the arrangement and each party’s relationship to the FOSS community stands on its own.Nov 23 03:59
schestowitz_____________________________________________Nov 23 03:59
schestowitzSource: http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnershipNov 23 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red HatNov 23 03:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This WeekNov 23 04:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This WeekNov 23 04:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available forNov 23 04:30
TweetTuxMachines                 SteamOS & Linux in Steam Early AccessNov 23 04:30
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3dLDKEICDF (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 23 04:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available for SteamOS & Linux in Steam Early Access | GamingOnLinuxNov 23 04:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sheltered, survive the apocalypse in thisNov 23 04:49
TweetTuxMachines                 disaster management game on SteamOS & LinuxNov 23 04:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/o2luR81JgK (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 23 04:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Sheltered, survive the apocalypse in this disaster management game on SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinuxNov 23 04:49
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFBpLjce-QNov 23 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Benoît Battistelli on Patent Trolls - YouTubeNov 23 05:05
*TweetTuxMachines @eq_crowdfunding favourited 'How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last...'Nov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT)Nov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Rally 5.63% https://t.co/tS48BfXNiUNov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.americantradejournal.com)Nov 23 05:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.americantradejournal.com | Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) Rally 5.63% | American Trade JournalNov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/LinuxNov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Yp2RYsIOcM (www.tecmint.com)Nov 23 05:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/LinuxNov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6Nov 23 05:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 « Everyday Linux UserNov 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagshipNov 23 05:20
TweetTuxMachines                 phone to go for https://t.co/8CTM3nCJwLNov 23 05:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 05:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ob9vlNov 23 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for | Tux MachinesNov 23 05:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux BehindNov 23 05:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/97gaLtrFf8 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 05:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Tux MachinesNov 23 05:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released,Nov 23 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Supports the Latest AMD GPUsNov 23 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zYSDmgAyP5 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 05:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ob9vpNov 23 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Tux MachinesNov 23 05:21
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448273411936Nov 23 06:01
schestowitz"    It is never a good idea to post something anonymously, even under the present circumstances, because it can be easily disregarded. The President has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities, so the only remedy is to use one's own name, which I intend to do. After all it is not bringing the Office into disrepute, it is simply expressing concern, and it is an internal communication to one's own AC member,Nov 23 06:01
schestowitz so I fail to see how it could give rise to any disciplinary measure. Anyway, if enough people do it there is safety in numbers."Nov 23 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in SeptemberNov 23 06:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAVNov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of VirusesNov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dtYeQVuzip (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.4-rc2 https://t.co/nf0mzSvE87Nov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oba1bNov 23 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.4-rc2 | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     BlackBerry Vienna is Probably the Name ofNov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 BlackBerry’s Second https://t.co/6RzgMGFTc2Nov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (neurogadget.com)Nov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oba1eNov 23 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com | BlackBerry Vienna is Probably the Name of BlackBerry’s Second Android Smartphone - Neurogadget.comNov 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.4-rc2 https://t.co/ntwpYeLvFZNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (lkml.iu.edu)Nov 23 06:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.4-rc2Nov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package SplitNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 for Fedora 24 Linux https://t.co/fOl67yrRLVNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 23 06:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split for Fedora 24 LinuxNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, PortNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Most Widgets to CSS NodesNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BS4sYjjnGy (news.softpedia.com)Nov 23 06:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port Most Widgets to CSS NodesNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNFNov 23 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/sUWSyx8zvO (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE PlasmaNov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines                 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2Nov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6eSttFyDNV (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCCNov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines                 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTSNov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qdolUIiX42 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/668755955417399296Nov 23 06:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Looking at the security of Plasma/WaylandNov 23 06:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gRF5uy1pYF (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernmentNov 23 06:44
TweetTuxMachines                 forms https://t.co/fefeN1zrM8Nov 23 06:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 06:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Tux MachinesNov 23 06:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagshipNov 23 06:45
TweetTuxMachines                 phone to go for https://t.co/0YlYNGQLsINov 23 06:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (tech.firstpost.com)Nov 23 06:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for - Tech2Nov 23 06:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668755265894903808Nov 23 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Go ahead #Battistelli, show the World what you really are ! https://t.co/h62ZmZ9vnCNov 23 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #EPO President #Battistelli Now Intimidates Even National Delegations https://t.co/vYij2NtnJg https://t.co/CMIUWvePoBNov 23 06:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756071289368576Nov 23 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz I Am Legion, For We Are Many !Nov 23 06:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756153359278080Nov 23 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! https://t.co/bpmTKcwfphNov 23 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #epo #battistelli "has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities" https://t.co/7b6QlG7X2WNov 23 06:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux BehindNov 23 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rnOLcJ89cH (fossforce.com)Nov 23 06:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | FOSS ForceNov 23 06:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released,Nov 23 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Supports the Latest AMD GPUsNov 23 06:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAVNov 23 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of VirusesNov 23 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/QTY9araawi (linux.softpedia.com)Nov 23 06:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Around the world with Fedora PlanetNov 23 06:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now inNov 23 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Beta, Designed for Containerized AppsNov 23 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/oChKVISsCb (news.softpedia.com)Nov 23 06:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in Beta, Designed for Containerized AppsNov 23 06:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be theNov 23 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Ultimate Pro Audio DistroNov 23 06:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the Ultimate Pro Audio DistroNov 23 06:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNFNov 23 06:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | DNFNov 23 06:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE PlasmaNov 23 07:05
TweetTuxMachines                 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2Nov 23 07:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2Nov 23 07:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCCNov 23 07:05
TweetTuxMachines                 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTSNov 23 07:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTSNov 23 07:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Looking at the security of Plasma/WaylandNov 23 07:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Martin's BlogNov 23 07:05
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/668762489065250817Nov 23 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Do you have any information about Astra-Linux and AltLinux?Nov 23 07:09
schestowitzNot recentNov 23 07:09
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6844510Nov 23 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Proprietary software described as "safe" http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/truecrypt-is-safer-than-previously-reported-detailed-analysis-concludes/ but you cannot quite check the code to verify thisNov 23 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | TrueCrypt is safer than previously reported, detailed analysis concludes | Ars TechnicaNov 23 07:18
schestowitz"Fraunhofer Institute just sullied their reputation by endorsing non free software for it’s least fit purpose. Might as well endorse patent medicine."Nov 23 07:18
schestowitz"Much more interesting, whats about Vera-Crypt?"Nov 23 07:18
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6841067Nov 23 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Promoting #freespeech and #freesw is ""harming state security" in #syria apparently... punishment? Death. http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2015/11/13/urgent-reports-.htmlNov 23 07:19
schestowitz"This article is pretty comprehensive and has links to sources. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/46265 No mention of “harming state security” but that seems like a minor detail.Nov 23 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joi.ito.com | Urgent: Reports that Bassel Khartabil has been sentenced to death - Joi Ito's WebNov 23 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative CommonsNov 23 07:19
schestowitzI will try to keep an eye open for any updates on this... at first I just assumed these reports mean he's likely already dead.Nov 23 07:20
oiaohmschestowitz: http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/  part of the truecrypt audit group is to fix the license problems.Nov 23 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-istruecryptauditedyet.com | Is TrueCrypt Audited Yet?Nov 23 07:23
schestowitzoiaohm: they need to show the sourceNov 23 07:24
schestowitznot make secret auditsNov 23 07:24
schestowitz(IMHO)Nov 23 07:24
oiaohm7.1a source code is on github.Nov 23 07:24
oiaohmhttps://github.com/AuditProject  Nov 23 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | AuditProject (OpenCryptoAudit.org) · GitHubNov 23 07:27
oiaohmschestowitz: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/TrueCrypt_Phase_II_NCC_OCAP_final.pdf  the report on what they found.Nov 23 07:27
oiaohmschestowitz: so its not a secret audit.Nov 23 07:27
oiaohmNow checking the source and fixing licensing faults before the flaws in truecrypt can truly be fixed.Nov 23 07:28
oiaohmschestowitz: even so the final report on truecrypt 7.1a is was highly interesting.Nov 23 07:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernmentNov 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines                 forms https://t.co/d6DkdL1tfrNov 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)Nov 23 08:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | JoinupNov 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope byNov 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Default https://t.co/TSJ3TYRHt5Nov 23 08:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by DefaultNov 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Spiraling head first into open sourceNov 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/OAEMnjJvGf (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 08:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Spiraling head first into open source | Tux MachinesNov 23 08:05
schestowitz> "Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to preventNov 23 08:36
schestowitz> people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups"Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz> Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz> Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz> Little fascists...Nov 23 08:36
schestowitzyes, saw that yesterday. The censors are winning by indoctrination, as they do with surveillance and copyright.Nov 23 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pewresearch.org | 40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities | Pew Research CenterNov 23 08:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6845764Nov 23 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-now-comes-with-a-twitter-scope-by-default-496564.shtmlNov 23 08:44
schestowitz"Auch deswegen meide ich Ubuntu."Nov 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for OldNov 23 08:49
TweetTuxMachines                 GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 SeriesNov 23 08:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Tux MachinesNov 23 08:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope byNov 23 08:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Tux MachinesNov 23 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gotta Badge ‘Em All: Introduction to FedoraNov 23 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Badges https://t.co/xL1hTOoolqNov 23 08:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Body Computing System continuationsNov 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EpH7w8nkP5 (whatthefuck.computer)Nov 23 08:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatthefuck.computer | Body Computing System continuations - Computer :(Nov 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenStack Liberty and DebianNov 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rhDTbFAydT (thomas.goirand.fr)Nov 23 08:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomas.goirand.fr | OpenStack Liberty and Debian – Zigo's blogNov 23 08:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip PhoneNov 23 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 With 3GB RAM Launched https://t.co/vBRQ27jHOZNov 23 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone With 3GB RAM Launched | NDTV Gadgets360.comNov 23 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers https://t.co/dQmKJbR9o9Nov 23 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split for Fedora...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3,...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...'Nov 23 09:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in...'Nov 23 09:32
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the...'Nov 23 09:32
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3,...'Nov 23 09:32
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amonobeaxHey guys is the techrights.org down for someone else?Nov 23 10:13
MinceRit's down for meNov 23 10:14
amonobeaxokay, just checking thanksNov 23 10:17
MinceRhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/23/paint_drying_movie/Nov 23 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Brit filmmaker plans 10hr+ Paint Drying epic • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/obaoh ]Nov 23 10:41
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amonobeaxwow, techrights.org is really really slowNov 23 11:00
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cubexyzmaybe it's a DOS attackNov 23 11:02
cubexyzruffle the wrong feathers and...Nov 23 11:07
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/668837423879749632Nov 23 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz lol Damn it Jim, I'm a user, not a consumerNov 23 12:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3Nov 23 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EargOEnzeD (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 15:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Tux MachinesNov 23 15:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual DesktopsNov 23 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rVa2EpA0aB (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 23 15:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Tux MachinesNov 23 15:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for AdvancedNov 23 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Users https://t.co/dutwcmkKkPNov 23 15:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced Linux Users | Tux MachinesNov 23 15:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a NiceNov 23 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/qZkXPjLdtvNov 23 15:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 | Tux MachinesNov 23 15:03
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XRevan86http://cronostech.no-ip.org/posts/257474Nov 23 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cronostech.no-ip.org | If You’re So Smar...Nov 23 16:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668920186028875776Nov 23 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz Great desktop environment.Nov 23 17:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/668921853520515072Nov 23 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/8UZQ5Sk0P1Nov 23 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@heiseonline: Europäisches Patentamt setzt Gewerkschaftsspitze vor die Tür https://t.co/i9phRvHXNpNov 23 17:46
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/UbuntuTopNews/status/668936703113990147Nov 23 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXSNov 23 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gettopical.com | TopicalNov 23 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXSNov 23 18:41
msb__https://www.rt.com/shows/documentary/313429-internet-hacker-fbi-corporations/Nov 23 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | The hacker wars RT — Documentary [ http://ur1.ca/obc90 ]Nov 23 18:45
MinceRhttp://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.htmlNov 23 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | hackerNov 23 18:48
msb__Yes, MinceR, we know.Nov 23 18:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/668945402390016004Nov 23 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz It's fun to pick and choose which "facts" we verify.Nov 23 19:19
msb__RT just ran a story about a referendum in Ohio to legalize Cannabis.  Reliable polls showed it passing by 53%, but the electronic voting machines were observed switching votes and it lost by a 2 to 1 ratio.Nov 23 19:31
msb__The rulers know that psychedelics help people see through the rulers' lies.Nov 23 19:32
MinceRsounds like not only the usa needs them, thenNov 23 19:33
msb__Sure, all the Western governments that are US allies, and all the people robotized by Islam.Nov 23 19:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/668950629373603840Nov 23 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway https://t.co/GWBO2E3wKqNov 23 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP Article 14.17 & Free Software: No Harm, No Foul https://t.co/9PwzVIIKxJ #freesw cc @glynmoodyNov 23 19:35
MinceRsure, only those have lying rulersNov 23 19:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/668951464639913984Nov 23 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Ho ho ho :DNov 23 19:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/668953862934544384Nov 23 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Happy Birthday, #GIMP!!! #freesw #opensource https://t.co/QhwrmdofxUNov 23 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GIMP , the free open source Photoshop alternative, turns 20 https://t.co/1wJKVQV76U https://t.co/4CZ7SX1iQy great #freeswNov 23 19:54
MinceRhttp://cheezburger.com/8587952384/study-of-the-day-pew-research-shows-40-percent-of-millennials-would-censor-offensive-speechNov 23 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Study of The Day: Pew Research Shows 40 Percent of Millennials Would Censor Offensive Speech - CheezburgerNov 23 20:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, SecondNov 23 21:21
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Linux 4.4 RC https://t.co/R9d5yxhyO7Nov 23 21:21
TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts  (techrights.org)Nov 23 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second Linux 4.4 RC | TechrightsNov 23 21:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Netrunner 17 released https://t.co/i18q6eHbpbNov 23 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Netrunner 17 released | Tux MachinesNov 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/34oAVo6jFBNov 23 21:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesNov 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux: Kernel, Graphics https://t.co/8ZpnnT1GLSNov 23 21:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Graphics | Tux MachinesNov 23 21:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers https://t.co/oQiwGTdRymNov 23 21:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 23 21:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vinux Enhances Productivity for VisuallyNov 23 22:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Impaired Users https://t.co/bkE2EhT29BNov 23 22:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Tux MachinesNov 23 22:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Devs to Concentrate More on the...'Nov 23 22:55
schestowitz>> > German-to-English translation neededNov 24 02:41
schestowitz>> > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europaeisches-Patentamt-setzt-Gewerkschaftsspitze-vor-die-Tuer-3015171.htmlNov 24 02:41
schestowitz>> > techrights too citedNov 24 02:41
schestowitz> Nov 24 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heise.de | Europäisches Patentamt setzt Gewerkschaftsspitze vor die Tür | heise onlineNov 24 02:41
schestowitz> There you go. Techrights isn't actually cited in this article, theNov 24 02:41
schestowitz> reference I could see is below, w.r.t. Microsoft.Nov 24 02:41
schestowitzExcellent, thank you so much!Nov 24 02:41
schestowitzThere is a link in the article to the letter from Hardon, which complains about BB's harassment. It's a link to Techrights. I shall publish this now and again, thank you so much!Nov 24 02:41
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448353460399Nov 24 04:03
schestowitz"Nov 24 04:03
schestowitzI am not clear how HvA manages to conclude that:Nov 24 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and SuspensionsNov 24 04:03
schestowitz'the EBoA decision Art 23 1/15, which concluded that there was no convincing evidence whatsoever in this respect. Said DG3 member is thus innocent and Lord Schiemmann has been proven to be wrong.'Nov 24 04:03
schestowitzI've read the decision and I do not understand the EBA as having reached that conclusion. As I understand it, the EBA didn't come to any conclusion about the innocence of the DG3 member or the findings of the DC, but due to the complete pig's ear the EPO made of presenting the case, ruled it inadmissible. Not nearly the same thing. Nov 24 04:03
schestowitz"Nov 24 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategicNov 24 05:27
TweetTuxMachines                 survival game being given away for LinuxNov 24 05:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/LkaKDBqckj (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 24 05:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obhtiNov 24 05:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game being given away for Linux | GamingOnLinuxNov 24 05:27
cubexyzit's stupid criminalizing smoking a plantNov 24 05:36
cubexyzpersonally I think smoking isn't a good idea for health reasons but criminalizing more and more things just leads to social strifeNov 24 05:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmosphericNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 action/adventure game now on Linux & big updateNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KJ2UpxGzLd (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obhunNov 24 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | GamingOnLinuxNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux &Nov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 SteamOS recently? https://t.co/deuYc0wE8sNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obhuoNov 24 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & SteamOS recently? | GamingOnLinuxNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vinux Enhances Productivity for VisuallyNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Impaired Users https://t.co/CA13yFYj6tNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxinsider.com)Nov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obhupNov 24 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Reviews | LinuxInsiderNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a ‘Thank You’Nov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/alRIfBMRQK (fossforce.com)Nov 24 05:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a 'Thank You' | FOSS ForceNov 24 05:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Help Fedora test Wayland!Nov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ETq031Wc1W (fedoramagazine.org)Nov 24 06:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fedoramagazine.org/help-fedora-test-wayland/ )Nov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade toNov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Chapeau 23, Here's How https://t.co/PITm1BnfDcNov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 24 06:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to Chapeau 23, Here's HowNov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home NetworkNov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 From Cyber Perils https://t.co/DkGH0plcviNov 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (billsinsider.com)Nov 24 06:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billsinsider.com | The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network From Cyber PerilsNov 24 06:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tumbleweed install for NovemberNov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6Qd84DwGFnNov 24 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Tumbleweed install for November | Thoughts on computingNov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silverNov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 bullet  https://t.co/gif6MJeauMNov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.dedoimedo.com)Nov 24 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bulletNov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package managerNov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GLBmIoOj5f (distrowatch.com)Nov 24 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Nov 24 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Distro hopping: feeling good with my time onNov 24 06:53
TweetTuxMachines                 LXLE https://t.co/G5TCe3snj7Nov 24 06:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (thelinuxexperiment.com)Nov 24 06:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obi72Nov 24 06:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelinuxexperiment.com | Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on LXLE | The Linux ExperimentNov 24 06:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt Nov 24 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/RoHKOaTSGaNov 24 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxblog.darkduck.com)Nov 24 06:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt - Linux notes from DarkDuckNov 24 06:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of NorthNov 24 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 East's open source development communityNov 24 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/sJiniBl4XF (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 06:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North East's open source development community | Tux MachinesNov 24 06:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6846891Nov 24 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights down for 1.5 hours today not because of many readers but because of MASSIVE number of cracking attemptsNov 24 06:55
schestowitz"Yea..."Nov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring LinuxNov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Performance Improvements of Over 100%Nov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BIfI5ioZe5 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obi7aNov 24 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Tux MachinesNov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silverNov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 bullet https://t.co/YpDYNo928zNov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obi7bNov 24 06:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6847875Nov 24 06:55
schestowitz"Nov 24 06:55
schestowitzI was a bit hasty to speak about it, seem v0.2.0 should be out around February 2016, but they are likely to have a repo for it then since it should become BodhiLinux default desktop. Right now it’s in GitHub and the Enlightenment bits are not purged yet.Nov 24 06:55
schestowitzShould I pm you about it? I will likely try it anywayNov 24 06:56
schestowitz"Nov 24 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Tux MachinesNov 24 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Installing #enlightenment as I have grown tired after 7 months of endless frustration with #kf5 - #plasma5 just not ready. #kdeNov 24 06:56
schestowitzFor now I've quit trying Enlightenment because it didn't neatly support my dual head of even get my screen res right...Nov 24 06:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package managerNov 24 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XsLA4CiMcE (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Tux MachinesNov 24 06:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burntNov 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/P4Hu2kVtGO (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obib6Nov 24 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Tux MachinesNov 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring LinuxNov 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Performance Improvements of Over 100%Nov 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/aaboenpy1p (news.softpedia.com)Nov 24 07:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100%Nov 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/6I9AYfVngdNov 24 07:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (webconverger.org)Nov 24 07:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webconverger.org | Webconverger 33 releaseNov 24 07:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK toNov 24 09:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Compare Supercomputers https://t.co/0KzEJERFCyNov 24 09:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (insidehpc.com)Nov 24 09:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insidehpc.com | New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to Compare Supercomputers - insideHPCNov 24 09:06
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6849693Nov 24 09:43
schestowitz"Good luck with that proceeding!"Nov 24 09:43
schestowitz"Keep it up! Good luck, and if I recall correctly, isn’t the same EPO who deliver software patent (not applying a technical innovation) despite those not being legal?"Nov 24 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #epo attempts to silence me with #slapp http://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-threatens-defamatory-blogger-with-legal-action-9243 the latest modus operandi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPPNov 24 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.worldipreview.com | EPO threatens ‘defamatory’ blogger with legal actionNov 24 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 24 09:43
schestowitzyes, that was originally my issue with them... before I discovered far more severe issues.Nov 24 09:43
MinceRhttp://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-11-23-The-End-Of-Godwins-Law.jpgNov 24 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@TalesAcrossTime  Howl of The Wolf is out!Nov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vfz2t17JNQ (paper.li) Stories viaNov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines @Blushingflwr @NovaClassNov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obimmNov 24 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Howl of The WolfNov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Launches Android Studio 2.0Nov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jTFBAzpXLj (techcrunch.com)Nov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obimnNov 24 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 With Improved Android Emulator And New Instant Run Feature | TechCrunchNov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1Nov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Marshmallow Updates https://t.co/7k6NQJs4joNov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.techtimes.com) "on select Android OneNov 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 smartphones."Nov 24 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow Updates – But Only To Android One Phones : PERSONAL TECH : Tech TimesNov 24 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first trueNov 24 10:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Android PC' deliver? https://t.co/QerrN0pKh5Nov 24 10:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.techrepublic.com)Nov 24 10:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true Android PC' deliver? - TechRepublicNov 24 10:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Life of Tunir https://t.co/w8qwqj6rQGNov 24 10:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (kushaldas.in)Nov 24 10:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Life of TunirNov 24 10:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycleNov 24 10:00
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f (people.debian.org)Nov 24 10:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_30/ )Nov 24 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/xDYhh6QjR8Nov 24 10:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 10:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obio3Nov 24 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Webconverger 33 release | Tux MachinesNov 24 10:10
schestowitzWOW!Nov 24 10:19
schestowitzWIPR has just taken down the story.Nov 24 10:19
schestowitzDid someone make a phonecall or send a nasty letter?Nov 24 10:19
schestowitzI wouldn't be shocked if BB resorted to this kind or thing...Nov 24 10:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights  https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5Nov 24 11:06
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 11:06
TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat     Nov 24 11:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/669171155333353473Nov 24 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 24 11:06
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MinceRhttp://www.theverge.com/2015/11/23/9784604/dell-ssl-security-problem-xps-inspiron-edellrootNov 24 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Two Dell laptop models are shipping with a Superfish-style certificate hack | The VergeNov 24 11:21
MinceRhttps://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.htmlNov 24 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | On Hacking - Richard StallmanNov 24 11:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android One fails to make a mark despite revampNov 24 12:55
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TweetTuxMachines                 (economictimes.indiatimes.com)Nov 24 12:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-economictimes.indiatimes.com | Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp - The Economic TimesNov 24 12:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APKNov 24 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Download] https://t.co/WCY3Xz6PQQNov 24 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidpolice.com)Nov 24 12:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK Download]Nov 24 12:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Here Are the Biggest Android Wear ChallengersNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping SeasonNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/7q1alCuOp9 (www.fool.com)Nov 24 13:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season -- The Motley FoolNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Last call for FLOCK 2016 bidsNov 24 13:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hamster rediscoveredNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/w2wMY3OJz4 (dummdida.tumblr.com)Nov 24 13:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 ReleasedNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NesCTeSMHr (error)Nov 24 13:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Tux MachinesNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What would the perfect Linux distro look like?Nov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/IIRVWKN6k8 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 13:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Tux MachinesNov 24 13:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open SourceNov 24 13:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Hardware Projects https://t.co/QJrmNeNRx4Nov 24 13:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 13:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source Hardware Projects | Tux MachinesNov 24 13:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source SoftwareNov 24 13:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Hit https://t.co/EZofka9wLYNov 24 13:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 13:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software Hit | Tux MachinesNov 24 13:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers https://t.co/bDzEY1smfFNov 24 13:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 13:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 24 13:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/DFMyrCSyc3Nov 24 13:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 24 13:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux MachinesNov 24 13:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What would the perfect Linux distro look like?Nov 24 13:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/LDfLDzwjfH (www.networkworld.com)Nov 24 13:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | What would the perfect Linux distro look like?Nov 24 13:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 ReleasedNov 24 13:13
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schestowitzmehNov 24 15:35
schestowitz:-0Nov 24 15:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669256754979540992   https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257076271542272Nov 24 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer Your understanding of patents is inaccurate. Patents are property. Patents give no right to exploitation. @schestowitzNov 24 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Your beef w/ copyrights is justified, but doesn't support you on patents. Patents last for far less than 20 years @retroDoomerNov 24 15:52
cubexyzeh?Nov 24 15:53
cubexyzpatents last 20 yearsNov 24 15:53
schestowitzThe point about persistence after death of owner isn't the main point here; the abstract nature of ideas/work is.Nov 24 15:53
cubexyzok, 20 years from filing Nov 24 15:54
cubexyzso technically, yes it is less than 20 years because of thatNov 24 15:54
schestowitzyeah, something like thatNov 24 15:54
schestowitzdepends on the domainNov 24 15:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257789169139713Nov 24 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Was just responding to you pointing out copyrights last past death. If that wasn't want you meant why say it? @retroDoomerNov 24 15:55
schestowitzCreating on a monopoly on something does not, in its own right, lead to more creation/creativityNov 24 15:55
cubexyzI've looked into puzzle patents, and one usually can get a patent after filing in about 2 years Nov 24 15:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258129436246017Nov 24 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Inventions are not abstract. Software is also not abstract either. I'd expect a software engineer to understand that.Nov 24 15:56
schestowitzSoftware is as abstract as mathsNov 24 15:56
schestowitz The software I write is reducible to maths, mostly matricesNov 24 15:56
cubexyzyou can also consider an executable file as a number :)Nov 24 15:56
cubexyzand one of the first software patents was BritishNov 24 15:59
cubexyz"A Computer Arranged for the Automatic Solution of Linear Programming Problems"Nov 24 16:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258690327920641 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258887250518016Nov 24 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Software instructs machines and is NOT math. Math is descriptive. Obviously your not a very good software engineer.Nov 24 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math solve the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage. Really. What an ignorant view of software to call it math.Nov 24 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLENov 24 16:00
schestowitzWhat do you mean by "solve the page"?Nov 24 16:01
cubexyzwell machine code is numbers :)Nov 24 16:01
schestowitzDid you ever write a computer program?Nov 24 16:01
schestowitzcubexyz: yesNov 24 16:02
schestowitzbut he's a lawyerNov 24 16:02
schestowitzhe doesn't even know how his site worksNov 24 16:02
schestowitzhe's a very influential patent lawyersNov 24 16:02
schestowitzmost well known, I thinkNov 24 16:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259797955534848Nov 24 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math you have to be able to solve or reduce, which you can't do. I have written code, have you?Nov 24 16:02
schestowitzI canNov 24 16:02
schestowitzYou can write your rendering code for your page in numbersNov 24 16:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259903945547777Nov 24 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Impossible to believe you write code if you don't understand that code instructs a machine and isn't math. How ignorant.Nov 24 16:03
schestowitzShow me code you wrote please...Nov 24 16:03
cubexyzI'll give an example in octal:Nov 24 16:03
cubexyz0062457Nov 24 16:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260087874187264Nov 24 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Great. I look forward to you solving the basic HTML code that makes up https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT. I can't wait for your response.Nov 24 16:04
schestowitzCPU dumb to file while rendering your pageNov 24 16:04
schestowitzCPU dump to file while rendering your pageNov 24 16:04
cubexyzman, the guy just sounds like he's spoiling for a fightNov 24 16:04
schestowitzyeahNov 24 16:04
schestowitzit's funny, let's carry on...Nov 24 16:04
schestowitzhe's shaming himselfNov 24 16:04
cubexyz0062457 is the octal code for running init in old UnixNov 24 16:05
cubexyzpart of main.c of the kernelNov 24 16:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260270183821313Nov 24 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Translating instructions into binary code does not make it math. What does the code represent? Instructions to a machine.Nov 24 16:05
schestowitzcode is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructionsNov 24 16:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260465034420224Nov 24 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz God help the people who employ you to write code if you think the code you write is math. Obviously you don't' get it.Nov 24 16:05
schestowitzShow me code you wrote.Nov 24 16:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260655149600768   https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260780144082944Nov 24 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Looking forward to your solution to the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage, because if software is math there has to be an answerNov 24 16:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So you agree that software instructs a machine. Now you just have to figure out what math really is then and your set!Nov 24 16:06
schestowitzI said numbers instruct a machine, you twist what I said Nov 24 16:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160Nov 24 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ...Nov 24 16:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260925543817216Nov 24 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Math describes reality. Software directs reality. Two very different things.Nov 24 16:07
schestowitzStill waiting for you to show me code you wrote (third time I ask for it now, no response)Nov 24 16:07
cubexyzif you go back to IBM 701 then I think you had to use machine codeNov 24 16:08
schestowitzI'll say thatNov 24 16:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261240829681666Nov 24 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz No. Everyone can read that you said software is math, which it is not. You are wrong, embarrassing yourself to say otherwise.Nov 24 16:08
schestowitzWill you show me code you wrote (fourth time I ask)Nov 24 16:08
cubexyzis this Gene Quinn? :)Nov 24 16:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261553749880832Nov 24 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You are the one who ignorantly proclaimed software is math, which clearly it is not.Nov 24 16:10
schestowitzcubexyz: yesNov 24 16:10
schestowitzhe's quite well knownNov 24 16:10
schestowitzamong all the big companiesNov 24 16:10
schestowitzhe's like THE lobbyist for software patentsNov 24 16:10
cubexyzok well ....Nov 24 16:10
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6851438Nov 24 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Says he wrote code, cannot name a single example by name or a link https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261809543733248 #swpatsNov 24 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why do you need to see code I've written? You're wrong. Software is not math. My coding history has nothing to do with that.Nov 24 16:11
cubexyzsoftware pats...that's great for lawyers but bad for everyone elseNov 24 16:12
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schestowitzif you want to see that software is maths, open an exe file (I assume you use Windows) using your code [sic] editorNov 24 16:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262283667849216Nov 24 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz I look forward to your solution of a very simple HTML, PHP webpage. LOL.Nov 24 16:14
schestowitzOK, it's almost bedtime, Gene. Tomorrow we'll learn integration.Nov 24 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262874871775232Nov 24 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz What's interesting is that you admitted that software directs a machine and that I was correct.Nov 24 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263099850043392Nov 24 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/VBlVWMpHIUNov 24 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructionsNov 24 16:16
cubexyzok, ask a CS profNov 24 16:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262605966438401Nov 24 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the 4th time I've asked why you want to see code and why that matters? Software is not math, period!Nov 24 16:16
cubexyzshould be interesting Nov 24 16:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262502795091972Nov 24 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the third time I've asked you why you need to see code I've written? That doesn't change that software isn't math.Nov 24 16:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262391289511936Nov 24 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So why do you need to see code I've written? You are the one who is ignorantly wrong?Nov 24 16:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261448586108928Nov 24 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You realize Twitter is 140 characters, right? I have written code. If you don't believe me that is your problem, not mine.Nov 24 16:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263534900027392Nov 24 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why wait to tomorrow to educate yourself about software? If you think it is math your clients have been done a real disserviceNov 24 16:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864Nov 24 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how people who say software is math never can solve or reduce simple HTML code. Probably because software is NOT math. @schestowitzNov 24 16:20
schestowitzSoftware is Mathematics http://techrights.org/2011/05/24/software-is-maths/ Nov 24 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software is Mathematics | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/obk3y ]Nov 24 16:20
cubexyzHTML is a markup languageNov 24 16:20
schestowitzyeahNov 24 16:21
schestowitzto be interpretedNov 24 16:21
schestowitzbut he doesn't know what it meansNov 24 16:21
schestowitzcan't use big words like -gasp - markupNov 24 16:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264616292261893Nov 24 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I don't care what you cite to support you. It doesn't change reality that software is NOT math.Nov 24 16:21
cubexyzI wouldn't call it a programming languageNov 24 16:22
schestowitzThe statement of a closed mindNov 24 16:22
cubexyzok, write a program to compute pi in HTML :)Nov 24 16:22
cubexyzjust HTML... nothing elseNov 24 16:22
cubexyzM stands for.... markup :)Nov 24 16:22
cubexyzthe end Nov 24 16:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264735586660354Nov 24 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz and if software is math you will be able to solve the IPWatchdog homepage, which we both know you CAN'T do.Nov 24 16:24
schestowitzM stands for markup, it's not codeNov 24 16:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864Nov 24 16:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265020845481984   https://twitter.com/TheRealWolfLine/status/669265164412297217Nov 24 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz No. It is the statement of one who is actually correct. You can't solve software and that seems to frustrate you. LOLNov 24 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealWolfLine: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz All "ideas" were at one point "abstract". An "invention" is a process/method/product that solves what is abstractNov 24 16:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265179759259648Nov 24 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt?Nov 24 16:25
cubexyzthis guy is a goofNov 24 16:26
schestowitzyeahNov 24 16:26
schestowitzI'm showing itNov 24 16:26
schestowitzto people who aren't lawyersNov 24 16:26
cubexyzI would never have a discussion like that in academiaNov 24 16:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265735714217984Nov 24 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Code instructs a machine. You have to know that. You also have to know that math does not instruct, but describes reality.Nov 24 16:26
schestowitzmachine reads numbers in sequence to yield outputNov 24 16:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265888894451712Nov 24 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Quite clearly you aren't able to solve a simple webpage, and you have a closed mind that embraces ignorance.Nov 24 16:27
schestowitzA web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignore is quite revealing.Nov 24 16:27
schestowitzA web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignorance is quite revealing.Nov 24 16:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266341212344320   https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669266474423484417Nov 24 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Machines read numbers and the numbers are translated from code. So the code instructs the machine. Simple concept reallyNov 24 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I agree they aren't the same but to be fair mark up describes a document and you could do it with math.Nov 24 16:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266512734195713Nov 24 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Oh, so you can solve an entire program, but not something simple like a webpage. Then solve your program of choice. LOLNov 24 16:30
schestowitzSir, a web page is not a program, sorry to disappoint you, but you need CS 101.Nov 24 16:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266584033185792Nov 24 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Er Math isn't all about solvability. All code is derived and wrote due to Mathematics. Not all Math is code.Nov 24 16:30
cubexyzif you study the history of CS it did come from the mathematics departmentNov 24 16:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266659882987521  https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266691319296001  https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266823767027712Nov 24 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Mathematics is the science of skilful operations with concepts and rules invented just for this purpose.Nov 24 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz You said software is math. So pick any software and solve it. You know you can't. Very revealing. Software is NOT math.Nov 24 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz That quote was from Eugene Wigner. One that stuck with me whilst studying Math and I thought applied to programmingNov 24 16:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PatentCafe/status/669267071159660549Nov 24 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentCafe: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/ipK9o8Rmth…Nov 24 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructionsNov 24 16:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267174725390337Nov 24 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Let me talk slower... solve ANY program you want and reveal the solution. You can't because software is not math.Nov 24 16:32
schestowitzYou need to learn how a computer processor worksNov 24 16:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267441575424000Nov 24 16:33
cubexyzat the lowest level it is logic gatesNov 24 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying that things written in PHP and which leverage HTML are not software? What is your definition of software?Nov 24 16:33
schestowitzSoftware is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which the CPU processes to yield a solution (output)Nov 24 16:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267778772328449Nov 24 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why are you dodging? Can't solve a program huh? That would be because software is not math. LOLNov 24 16:35
schestowitzYou can do processing by handNov 24 16:35
schestowitzYou could run a program with pen and paper. People used to use punch cards.Nov 24 16:35
cubexyzlook up Turing MachineNov 24 16:35
schestowitzyes,  look up Turing MachineNov 24 16:36
schestowitzif he know what it is...Nov 24 16:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052Nov 24 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1SNov 24 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by handNov 24 16:37
schestowitzTakes a long time, but doable. Used to be done, e.g. in decryption in WW2, with assistance of primitive machinesNov 24 16:37
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schestowitzI see we're making progress here because you finally realise that computer programs do solve mathematical problemsNov 24 16:38
cubexyzRecall that the Church-Turing thesis hypothesizes this to be true for any kind of machine: that anything that can be computed can be computed by some Turing machineNov 24 16:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268841231491072Nov 24 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying pen and paper are math too? The punch cards that instructed the machine must be an abstract idea too. LOLNov 24 16:38
schestowitzPunch cards are the hardware equivalent of todayNov 24 16:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269049541599234Nov 24 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would take so long that the ballistic missile would have evaded in response and then landed. Don't be stupid please.Nov 24 16:39
schestowitzDoing the CPU's job by hand too slow, hence there's impact, hence disaster, hence software not math? Touchdown, lawyers!Nov 24 16:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269298792239105Nov 24 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Computer programs can do math, but doesn't mean the software written to instruct the machine is math, as you suggest.Nov 24 16:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052Nov 24 16:41
schestowitzThat what used to be done before, with a little studying you'd know thatNov 24 16:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669269740079058944Nov 24 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I meant for the original creator to exploit @ipwatchdog @schestowitzNov 24 16:42
cubexyzok, the origin of programming came out of symbolic logicNov 24 16:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669270066874023937Nov 24 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog especially when that monopoly actively discourages others from similar ideas.Nov 24 16:44
schestowitzSimultaneous ideas tooNov 24 16:44
cubexyzschestowitz, really I would ask that question to a CS professorNov 24 16:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270233115435010Nov 24 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I taught you today that software instructs machines, which you now admit. Now you just need to admit software is not math.Nov 24 16:44
schestowitzcubexyz: yeah, but he's notNov 24 16:44
schestowitzI don't expect him to admit he was wrongNov 24 16:44
schestowitzbut I can make him thinkNov 24 16:44
schestowitzit's like telling theists that God doesn't existNov 24 16:45
schestowitzat best you can make them introspectNov 24 16:45
cubexyzask Donald Knuth :)Nov 24 16:45
schestowitzand maybe they'll realise that it's true -- it's as real as Santa Claus wasNov 24 16:45
cubexyzI think I could argue it both ways reallyNov 24 16:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270441714954242Nov 24 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents encourage working around and do not discourage working on similar ideas. Do a patent search and see.Nov 24 16:45
cubexyzyou could say that programming follows from symbolic logic, and then say that SL is philosophyNov 24 16:46
schestowitzPatents on progress bars cannot be worked around... many patents are utter rubbishNov 24 16:46
cubexyzthat would put it outside of mathNov 24 16:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270773039763456Nov 24 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Still waiting for software solution since software is math, bc if it is math you can solve. Why dodge? Admit you're wrong.Nov 24 16:46
cubexyzbut it would be interesting to hear what a CS expert would sayNov 24 16:46
schestowitzYou already self-refutedNov 24 16:46
schestowitzWith your ballistic missile exampleNov 24 16:46
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cubexyzA lawyer would say one thing, a CS prof another thing, and a math professor a third thingNov 24 16:48
cubexyzyou could argue that one all dayNov 24 16:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271388255989761   https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271395407429632Nov 24 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for physical products make sense although in medical areas shouldn't be allowed.Nov 24 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Sorry. Software is'nt math, you just won't admit it but you admitted software instructs. You know math is descriptive, right?Nov 24 16:49
schestowitzcubexyz: yeah, maybe I'll move on for now..Nov 24 16:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669270900999659520Nov 24 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Mathematics is way broader than numbers.It's a science and is used at least partially to solve almost every problemNov 24 16:50
cubexyzrightNov 24 16:50
cubexyzI would say the same thing :)Nov 24 16:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269942257262592Nov 24 16:50
cubexyzmath > arithmetic but includes itNov 24 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Software is not math simply because it isn't. You admitted software instructs machines, which means software is not math.Nov 24 16:50
schestowitzvroken telephone..Nov 24 16:50
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schestowitzlike a politicians stuck on their scriptNov 24 16:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052Nov 24 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1SNov 24 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by handNov 24 16:51
cubexyzone could argue symbolic reasoning is philosophy thoughNov 24 16:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268228984741889Nov 24 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Yes. FINALLY! Software is a series of instructions. Math is NOT a series of instructions, but rather a description. https://t.co/glGY5qUgl3Nov 24 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which CPU processes to yield a solution (output)Nov 24 16:51
cubexyzanyways software pats is holding people back, except for lawyers :)Nov 24 16:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271700178149376Nov 24 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for knowledge of which computing, science, math should not exist nor be allowed.Nov 24 16:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271748580388864Nov 24 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would love to debate you or anyone else who thinks software is math. Would be great fun to expose your ignorance.Nov 24 16:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271832554524672Nov 24 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz It gets to the situation of Elsevier where a power hoards information prohibiting advancements.Nov 24 16:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272030181761024Nov 24 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz But computing is not knowledge. You write code to accomplish a task, and code doesn't write itself.Nov 24 16:54
cubexyzschestowitz, read what Amit Gupta says:Nov 24 16:54
cubexyzhttp://akgupta.ca/blog/2014/07/19/is-math-programming-youre-asking-the-wrong-question-part-1/Nov 24 16:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272056882663430Nov 24 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Sci-hub is the future for many scientists as is open source for tech.Nov 24 16:54
schestowitzcubexyz: he doesn't follow linksNov 24 16:54
schestowitztoo lazyNov 24 16:54
schestowitzhe made up his mineNov 24 16:54
schestowitzhe chose his source of incomNov 24 16:54
schestowitzpaid not to understandNov 24 16:54
cubexyzyou could even argue that programming by wire was graph theory :)Nov 24 16:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272180371398656Nov 24 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Exactly, your code doesn't write itself. You have thought and wrote down the code.Nov 24 16:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272205625290752Nov 24 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz Problem is patents don't inhibit advancement. Facts and reality prove your point faulty.Nov 24 16:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272300970246144Nov 24 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Now why say someone who also wants to solve that problem shouldn't be allowed to in the same wayNov 24 16:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272457145139200Nov 24 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Please provide facts, I am curious to see.Nov 24 16:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272623956783104Nov 24 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I currently disagree. I feel many students could solve medical issues if they had open source infoNov 24 16:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669272878869647360Nov 24 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz exactly! Imagine if Newton had patented his laws, or there was a patent on number systems.Nov 24 16:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273259846844416Nov 24 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz @retroDoomer Unfortunately, you are wrong again. Patents don't create a monopoly. https://t.co/tFJfIrBI9hNov 24 16:56
schestowitzKappos, USPTO Director, called them "monopolies"Nov 24 16:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669273355338559489Nov 24 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @kasilas @ipwatchdog That, I think, depends on what you think maths is.Nov 24 16:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273412565471232Nov 24 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz programming is absolutely *not* similar to creative writing, nor physical product.Nov 24 16:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273657051652097Nov 24 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog I would usually drop a ball but I don't believe I am allowed to without risk of severe penalties.Nov 24 16:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273708737859584Nov 24 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz it would be folly to patent a string of functions and operations. The same as a mathematical formulaNov 24 16:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273778237661184 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273812664479746Nov 24 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Obviously you aren't reading the article explaining why patents are not a monopoly. Fine if you want to persist as ignorant.Nov 24 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Tbh today's Newton isn't allowed free access to his work, he has to pirate it.Nov 24 16:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669274395169464320  https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669274471744802816Nov 24 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz There is an interesting debate to be had, here, but does it depends on what you want to class as maths?Nov 24 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz Mathematical formulas are not patentable, but software is not math so that doesn't help your position.Nov 24 17:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669274939929706497Nov 24 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Software is indeed math in many cases. But that is not the point. I see you don't understand code @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitzNov 24 17:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669275263407153152Nov 24 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Software is never math. I see you don't understand what math is and why you write software. @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitzNov 24 17:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276050568818689Nov 24 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz The impartial Twitter referre has called the fight in the third with @ipwatchdog winner by TKO in 3d Rd.Nov 24 17:12
schestowitzSays patent guy...:-)Nov 24 17:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669276096488079361  https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276110019010561Nov 24 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Strange, I use a lot of mathematical type operations in my code, and many libraries do also @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitzNov 24 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I studied math and all software is based on mathematic science.Nov 24 17:12
schestowitzLOL https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276317775495168Nov 24 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 I wish you the best in sourcing the definition of impartial. @ipwatchdog @schestowitzNov 24 17:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276821125378048Nov 24 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Easy--means keeping mind open and admitting when I'm wrong. How about you?Nov 24 17:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669278146013831168Nov 24 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I would imagine it must be difficult to not have a biased opinion considering your company.Nov 24 17:18
schestowitzSome people create some things, some assert they have invisible 'property'Nov 24 17:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669278925147664384Nov 24 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @TheIpHawk @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitzNov 24 17:19
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schestowitzhttp://suepo.org/public/newsNov 24 17:20
schestowitz"Nov 24 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - NewsNov 24 17:20
schestowitzClaiming a wish to increase transparency, the EPO has published part of its Service Regulations online.  Unfortunately, the Circulars mentioned below, as well as the Financial Regulations and the Tender Guidelines, amongst others, are missing. In the interest of potential job applicants and of the public in general, SUEPO calls upon Mr Battistelli to publish the missing parts.Nov 24 17:20
schestowitz    Circular No. 347 Circular on StrikesNov 24 17:20
schestowitz    Circular No. 355 Regulations for the Staff Committee electionsNov 24 17:20
schestowitz    Circular No. 356 Resources and facilities to be granted to the Staff CommitteeNov 24 17:20
schestowitz    Circular No. 364 Implementation of the career system. Minimum qualifications for recruitment, grading on recruitment, promotion and other rewardsNov 24 17:21
schestowitz    Circular No. 365 General Guidelines on the EPO Competency FrameworkNov 24 17:21
schestowitz    Circular No. 366 General Guidelines on Performance ManagementNov 24 17:21
schestowitz    Circular No. 367 Absences for Health ReasonsNov 24 17:21
schestowitz"Nov 24 17:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669279884146040832Nov 24 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: I love it when obviously biased people say that those who believe in a patent system are biased. MIRROR! @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitzNov 24 17:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669280188614709248Nov 24 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz As said before:I believe for physical inventions it is probably a needed evil. For knowledge it isn't.Nov 24 17:24
schestowitzAt least we programmers are producing somethingNov 24 17:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280664886358017Nov 24 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . And as I've said, software is not knowledge. You conflate thing unrelated as if they prove something @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitzNov 24 17:25
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448400700343Nov 24 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions [ http://ur1.ca/obk8u ]Nov 24 17:27
schestowitz"SUEPO is not only an organization under Dutch law, If I am not mistaken. SUEPO also represents staff in Munich, Berlin and Vienna. FFPE-EPO does not seem to be an option for staff at those locations, which is the majority. If I am wrong, please put me right."Nov 24 17:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280983133364224Nov 24 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: If software is math you would produce things that work, but you don't. Still waiting on that solution! @schestowitz @kstallett @gth1017Nov 24 17:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281347211567104Nov 24 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz @gth1017 As in Mathematics the thinking involved to produce a working formula can be too tough to imagine.Nov 24 17:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669277709495848960   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669276652476735488   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669275607818231808   https://twitter.com/Daleington9/status/669196572543082497   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669274586605871106Nov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: Software Freedom Conservancy must move to a Supporter-driven organization - https://t.co/8luZbfuokV & it needs help to do so #freeswNov 24 17:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #trendmicro salespeople want to sell, use misleading figures https://t.co/BRcUcY3Tug recall https://t.co/snvirtm6fgNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indianexpress.com | Cybersecurity: 95 per cent of Android devices were affected in Q3, 2015, says Trend Micro | The Indian ExpressNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Trend Micro - TechrightsNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Now I know why some lawyers-politicians try to ban #encryption and think it's doable. I know because I've just debated @ipwatchdogNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSsNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSsNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 open source security tools to protect your firm https://t.co/otpEO1yX1o #freesw is verifiableNov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbronline.com | 5 open source security tools to protect your firm - Computer Business ReviewNov 24 17:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281928000983040Nov 24 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz How would you define it? Again actually curious.Nov 24 17:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669282463785607168 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669282977462005761Nov 24 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz Knowledge is facts or information, software directs machine to act. How you could think they're the same?Nov 24 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz True but all the algorithms that are used in software are Mathmatical science. Formulas that work on paperNov 24 17:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283289199415296Nov 24 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz EG: if x > y do something. We use these in our every day life. This is knowledge. This is Mathematics.Nov 24 17:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283466719162368Nov 24 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz whilst I understand you fight you corner and I fight mine and we both feel we are right.Nov 24 17:36
schestowitzBut one side knows mathematical notion, the other does not Nov 24 17:37
schestowitzOne side is producing, the other is parasticalNov 24 17:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283532439724033Nov 24 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz And this is the internet where no argument has ever been won.Nov 24 17:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283765089366017Nov 24 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I never expected to meet you today in any form and I'm pleased I did as it has me thinking.Nov 24 17:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284584497012736https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283933863956480   https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284100344307713  https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284433971814400  Nov 24 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I have been slack against all these things I believe in. I can't be slack no more.Nov 24 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz Go read a few papers on sci hub and see how much knowledge you will have gained all due to no patents.Nov 24 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz You will be more understanding and gain information you didn't know existed. This is why patents are bad.Nov 24 17:44
schestowitzPatents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries. It has gone very wrong.Nov 24 17:44
schestowitzPatents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries ago. It has gone very wrong.Nov 24 17:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/669286522886209538] https://twitter.com/mikejknuckles/status/669285687783477249Nov 24 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway @philshapiro https://t.co/nQ5WrTxkcgNov 24 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "I am getting annoyed and tired of Microsoft's marginal business ethics" https://t.co/kcS44BnLoZ https://t.co/Ft7YxrY7DmNov 24 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikejknuckles: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Sic em boy!Nov 24 17:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160Nov 24 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ...Nov 24 17:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669288566414049280Nov 24 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog It really has. Then there wasn't such an easy way to share information with the world. Now is very different.Nov 24 18:00
schestowitzTime for massive overhaul/reformNov 24 18:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669292736059719681Nov 24 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @Twpalovi @schestowitz to me, maths is a succinct description that often helps extract inherent symmetries in considered scenarios.Nov 24 18:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KGHohenstauffen/status/669296453551005696Nov 24 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHMNov 24 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHMNov 24 18:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669300777647808512Nov 24 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it doesnt respond on 10 Turkey's requests to change it's heading. And this is not first chance exception. Russia - terrorists.Nov 24 18:49
schestowitzDid Turkey think the Russians would bomb Turkey?Nov 24 18:49
schestowitz And I'm not blindly believing that  "10 requests" claim, as well as some other somewhat questionable claims which need provingNov 24 18:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/669302556087029760Nov 24 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Well right or wrong he is certainly showing a bellicose lack of eloquence in debate.Nov 24 18:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669303298151837696Nov 24 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it is not necessary)) It is violating of international laws. Russia is bombing not ISIS, but civilians. So, Turkey is right.Nov 24 18:56
schestowitzThe US/UK/FR/NATO planes also occasionally bomb many civilians, but coverage is selectiveNov 24 18:56
schestowitz https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669304111557406720  https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669304590978912256Nov 24 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Turkey puplics video/audio of requests. And I know what is Russia as I was russian and lived there more than 30 years.Nov 24 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz I know what is hybrid war. It was in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. So, even if NATO is bad - Russia is real monster.Nov 24 19:05
schestowitzYes, but when Russia kills civilians it's intentional and when we do it this is just an unfortunate accident, based on our mediaNov 24 19:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FeelMyFire/status/669306348299882496Nov 24 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FeelMyFire: Perfectly said. https://t.co/AVaIUOC1ZpNov 24 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@Zeipt Yes, but when Russia kills civilians it's intentional and when we do it this is just an unfortunate accident, based on our mediaNov 24 19:08
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669307347857235968Nov 24 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz no, I think all remember incident with hospital in Afghanistan. But it cant let Russia or any to violate international laws))Nov 24 19:12
schestowitzAll sides seem to disregard such laws; just because one side is evil doesn't mean the other isn't evil, tooNov 24 19:12
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669308280087420928Nov 24 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz I agree. But in situation with this russian SU - Turkey is right. It respects laws of war.Nov 24 19:33
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schestowitzAre Russia and Turkey in a state of war? Turkey not only allows US in its airspace but also airbases (at least two).Nov 24 19:34
schestowitzbisson bshttp://www.zdnet.com/article/the-iot-and-the-return-of-8-bit-computing/#ftag=RSSbaffb68Nov 24 19:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669313968217919488 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669314640782995459  https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669313968217919488Nov 24 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Turkey is NATO. Russia is NATO's enemy. Turkey shotdown not MH17, but SU, which continuosly violated its airspace to bomb cvlsNov 24 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz if someone will go for crime through your garden wont you decide to stop this at some day?))Nov 24 19:41
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msb__schestowitz: Turkey supports Al-Nusrah Front which is a subdivision of Al-Qaeda, IOW jihadist head-choppers, allied with ISIL  Turkey supports them by buying oil from them, and probably by giving them weapons too.  Russia bombs them.  That's why Turkey shot down the SU-24.Nov 24 22:47
msb__The US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel all support ISIL in various ways, but lie and say they don't.Nov 24 22:48
msb__schestowitz: cubexyz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean?   A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic).  A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications.  Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of Nov 24 22:54
msb__executing the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc.Nov 24 22:54
cubexyzmostly I was saying software could be considered very math-likeNov 24 22:55
cubexyzI would hesitate to say software == math, except to point out that any executable program could be represented as a big numberNov 24 22:55
cubexyznot sure if math has anything like a stack, or jump Nov 24 22:56
cubexyzI'm not in favour of software pats thoughNov 24 22:57
MinceRafaik computer science is part of mathematicsNov 24 22:57
cubexyzhistorically CS grew out of the math departmentsNov 24 22:58
MinceRalso, turing machines are turing-complete without stacks or jumpsNov 24 22:58
msb__If math has arrays, then it has stacks.  And if its statements are numbered and selected with an integer (the  program counter) then it has jumps.Nov 24 22:58
cubexyzAPL is very math-likeNov 24 22:59
cubexyzit even looks rather like mathNov 24 23:00
msb__I think I proved above that a program + the computer that executes it, combined, constitute a set of mathematical expressions that can be solved (reduced).Nov 24 23:00
cubexyzyes, there's the Church-Turing ThesisNov 24 23:01
msb__Presumably arrays and numbered expressions can be expressed in set theory.   I think _anything_ can be expressed in set theory.  I took a course in it once.  It was brutal.Nov 24 23:02
MinceRi wasn't aware of that, afaictNov 24 23:02
MinceRyeah, lambda calculus comes to mindNov 24 23:02
msb__So if programs are math, and math can't be patented, then swpats are invalid.  Is that schestowitz' contention?Nov 24 23:04
cubexyzbasicallyNov 24 23:04
cubexyzI just make a simpler argument: software patents are bad for people in generalNov 24 23:05
cubexyzbad for societyNov 24 23:05
msb__Then I think he should use my proof, which is concise and simple.Nov 24 23:05
msb__cubexyz: Those points are certainly true too.Nov 24 23:06
msb__I would also say that once a programming problem is stated, writing the program is basically the application of known techniques, which any programmer knowledgeable in the art would be able to do.  Therefore programs are not novel and thus are not patentable.Nov 24 23:08
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msb__The same argument would also apply to many physical and chemical inventions, which likewise should not be patentable.Nov 24 23:10
cubexyzat least patents expire relatively quicklyNov 24 23:12
cubexyzless than 20 years de factoNov 24 23:12
msb__As to benefitting society, if creating something has to involve searching through tens of millions of patents and hiring a lawyer, then patents enormously inhibit creativity.Nov 24 23:13
cubexyzit's a bad jokeNov 24 23:13
msb__20  years can be two or three generations of software or hardware.Nov 24 23:14
cubexyzrelatively quickly compared to say... copyrightNov 24 23:14
cubexyzsome patents are utter gobbley-gook anywaysNov 24 23:19
msb__"intellectual property" -- software and entertainment -- can very easily be duplicated with today's technology.  So far, the IP "owners" have been unable to stop it.  So it may be in the future that IP creators will not be able to demand payment, but will have to rely on voluntary contributions.  At the same time, technology, properly applied in a socialist economy, will make living much more affordable than it is currently under Nov 24 23:19
msb__predatory capitalism, so IP creators and everyone else will need much less money.Nov 24 23:19
cubexyzall computers can copy a memory location :)Nov 24 23:20
msb__And in particular, a memory location on the Internet.Nov 24 23:21
msb__Patents are supposed to openly explain the techniques used in an invention, but a "good" patent writer can so obfuscate the explanation that it's impossible to understand, and thus doesn't give competitors any clues.Nov 24 23:23
msb__We have to face the fact that technology can change the structures of our lives and society for the better.  After all, we used to spend all our lives grubbing for roots and berries.Nov 24 23:27
msb__Patents and copyrights are not suited to the post-industrial age.Nov 24 23:28
msb__Maybe the mathematicalness of software comes down to the Axiom of Choice.  That would be fun!Nov 24 23:33
msb__I would think an SU-24 would have countermeasures capable of stopping, fooling, or avoiding an American air-to-air missile.  Maybe the  pilots didn't have them turned on because they didn't think anyone would attack them.Nov 24 23:36
msb__I've never understood why spaceships don't run with their shields up all the time.  Or at least under computer control if it senses an attack.Nov 24 23:53
msb__Dramatic impact, I guess, so they can flash the lights and sway back and forth.Nov 24 23:55
msb__I suspect that if the SU-24 was running with its countermeasures on manual control, Russia will not admit it.Nov 24 23:57
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oiaohmmsb__: there is a reason why SU-24 electronic warfare system would be in manual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khibiny_%28electronic_countermeasures_system%29Nov 25 02:21
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oiaohmmsb__: basically its a sledge hammer that will attempt to disable anything electronic near it so.   Its not friend/foe selective.Nov 25 02:22
msb__The article says "masking the true subject against false".  Not sure what that means.  Seems like a bad translation from Russian.Nov 25 02:32
msb__I think IFF was used in WW2.  Seems like it should still be used, but with encryption.Nov 25 02:33
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oiaohmmsb__: masking yourself against false is giving a false foot print so to missle true target appears to be a echo/shadow and the false target appears to be real.Nov 25 02:54
oiaohmmsb__: yes it is a horible translation from russian.Nov 25 02:55
oiaohmmsb__: but the system operation is more like a very heavy radio jammer and basically not effective against optical guided missles.Nov 25 02:55
oiaohmmsb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile#Electro-optical   Basically did turkey have any of the new class of missles on their aircraft if they did normal jamming is not effective.Nov 25 02:57
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oiaohmmsb__:  Also note the Passive Anti-radiation class.   These are designed to hunt aircraft with their electronic warfare systems on.Nov 25 03:01
msb__Seems like an ultra-bright strobe light aimed at the missile could blind its sensor.  Nov 25 03:01
oiaohmultra bright strobe light also would generate a stronger IR signal so getting a better IR lock.Nov 25 03:03
oiaohmmsb__: basically this is very dangorous game of rock paper sissors.Nov 25 03:03
msb__How about expelling a few active jammers from the aircraft.  I saw this in a submarine movie.  The torp locked in one and missed the sub.Nov 25 03:05
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msb__They said on RT that the bombers are now going to have fighter escorts.  That should help.Nov 25 03:07
msb__The helos should have them too.Nov 25 03:07
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html?showComment=1448399350952Nov 25 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15Nov 25 03:11
schestowitz"Nov 25 03:11
schestowitzI found something in TECHRIGHTS There I read: http://techrights.org/2015/10/06/epo-unlimited-sick-leave/ There I read: ¨Van der Eijk's unlimited sick leave, which seems likely to have little or nothing to do with sickness (as we explained yesterday). As Chairman of the Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBoA) and DG3 VP, Van der Eijk is probably the only remaining potent threat to Benoît Battistelli because the boards are, in principle, independent Nov 25 03:11
schestowitzfrom Battistelli’s corruptible EPO (in practice Battistelli just breaks the rules).¨There are some more comments:Nov 25 03:11
schestowitz1)Mr Battistelli’s plan:Get rid of the present VP 3Nov 25 03:11
schestowitz2)He has angered the top management, mainly by R19/12 and refusal of the enlarged board to agree to the dismissal of the DG3 member under investigation.Nov 25 03:11
schestowitz3)Replacing DG3 with the UPC appears to be impossible without a diplomatic conference.Nov 25 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Commenters Provide Possible Explanations for Mr Van der Eijk Being on Unlimited Sick Leave | TechrightsNov 25 03:11
schestowitz4)Also quite obviously the german delegation in the AC would be strongly against weakening Munich as Europe’s patent capital, so all those plans might go nowhere as the other delegations (of the new countries bought by BB with free new dents) will be very reluctant to outvote Germany in that matter.Nov 25 03:11
schestowitz1) to 4) are all possible answers. Does Marc Rutte, the prime minister of the Netherlands have contact with VP3 Van der Eijk to get relevant and important information? It seems to me that Mr.Van der Eijk is a strong character for whom it is impossible to be ¨his masters voice¨. I hope strongly that Mr.Van der Eijk is not forgotten by the Dutch government. Nov 25 03:11
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oiaohmmsb__: issue 1 you can only carry so many active droppable jammers.  2 depending on the type of missle send at you will depend if those work.Nov 25 03:22
msb__oiaohm: 1.  one or two would be a lot better than none  2. the type of missile could be determined from the radiation coming from it -- active radar, laser, none, etc.Nov 25 03:26
oiaohmPassive Anti-radiation class,  IR and Optical all don't put out any radiation.   Nov 25 03:27
oiaohmmsb__: IR and Opttical you might have flares but depending on the design they could choose to completely ignore you flares.Nov 25 03:30
oiaohmDropping flares the process increases electro radation emissions.Nov 25 03:30
oiaohmmsb__: Passive Anti-radiation class is basically run silent.   Run really silent.Nov 25 03:31
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6851297Nov 25 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Fedora 23 Release Party https://jonaazizaj.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/fedora-23-release-party/ #fedora #redhat #gnu #linuxNov 25 04:09
schestowitz"lots of girls :-) seams like Fedora is very attractive to women"Nov 25 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> jonaazizaj.wordpress.com | Fedora 23 Release Party | Jona AzizajNov 25 04:09
schestowitzMaybe because of the name ;-)Nov 25 04:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/669265789967581185Nov 25 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Gene may be wasting his time here 😉 https://t.co/vH9XPZBhDANov 25 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt?Nov 25 04:13
schestowitzAnd my time has no value?Nov 25 04:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/669302556087029760Nov 25 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Well right or wrong he is certainly showing a bellicose lack of eloquence in debate.Nov 25 04:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheIpHawk/status/669277764411879425Nov 25 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheIpHawk: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer I would love to see the math equation that backs up some of the software patents granted.Nov 25 04:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/OpenStackTpNews/status/669443688536363009Nov 25 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OpenStackTpNews: FusionStorm to Resell Private OpenStack Cloud Appliance by Mirantis https://t.co/PT7EJAZBoe via @schestowitzNov 25 04:15
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/669448789288185858Nov 25 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Legitimacy is irrelevant.Nov 25 04:41
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669454024819810304Nov 25 05:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Please, check your link: https://t.co/sK3XAxe4xzNov 25 05:10
schestowitzSite down?Nov 25 05:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DebianLive After Debian Live https://t.co/YhZVVdlV8r #debian #gnu #linuxNov 25 05:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669458591540203521Nov 25 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Indeed. https://t.co/JgYvuvOMMsNov 25 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Site down?Nov 25 05:18
schestowitzI think the link was correct, don't see why not, my wife posted it in tuxmachinesNov 25 05:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669460170414661633Nov 25 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz @arstechnica's #FUD https://t.co/eJ36kshrV7 Turkey has been transgressing Greece's airspace w/impunity https://t.co/XwHv5merRvNov 25 05:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669461256936546305Nov 25 05:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz possibly offline: https://t.co/LdVCOFZMYXNov 25 05:26
schestowitzyes, same thing I got Nov 25 05:26
msb__schestowitz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean?   A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic).  A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications.  Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of executing Nov 25 05:34
msb__the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc.Nov 25 05:34
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msb__"The Man in the High Castle" -- 10 part TV series, based on the novel by Philip K Dick and screenplay by Frank Spotnitz of The X-Files.  1962 dystopian alternate timeline in which the US lost WW2 and has been conquered by the German and Japanese Nazis.  Just watched the first episode.  Very well  produced, very gruesome.Perhaps if tRump gets elected, we will see it for real.Nov 25 07:30
msb__Or Hellary.  Murdered Libya and gloated about it, and is now trying to censor a comedy show that ridiculed her.Nov 25 07:33
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cubexyzyes, I think it's fair to say that a lot of things aren't that good if you study them in detailNov 25 08:05
cubexyze.g. none of the computer stores in my area are any goodNov 25 08:06
cubexyzalso the documentation you get with peripherals and computers is a bad jokeNov 25 08:09
msb__It is up to us -- we who know good things -- to broadcast them to as many people as we can.  That's the only way our society can improve.  Fortunately the Internet makes it possible.Nov 25 08:49
msb__After watching the second episode, I do not recommend "The Man in the High Castle".  It is pornography of fascism, torture, murder, and death.  The story might make a good 90-minute movie, but this version is padded with awfulness.  Two hours of it is as much as I can stand.Nov 25 08:53
msb__cubexyz: As to computers, things are much better than when I was growing up.  $150 will buy a powerful Linux-capable SBC, a keyboard, mouse, and hard drive.  Connect it to a TV, load it with Linux, get the docs from the Web, get a $15-20/month Net connection, and you're in contact with the World Mind!Nov 25 09:02
cubexyz50s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s, there's no doubt that generally electronics has improvedNov 25 09:07
cubexyzby the late 1980s though things get a bit more murkyNov 25 09:07
cubexyzalso my net connection is more like $50 than $20 per monthNov 25 09:08
cubexyzby the late 1980s surface mount technology has reduced the repairability of computersNov 25 09:08
cubexyzare things better now than in the late 1950s? no questionNov 25 09:09
cubexyzbut wall warts?Nov 25 09:10
cubexyzthat's a step backwardsNov 25 09:10
cubexyzflimsy connector pair with minimal contact area, no locking retainerNov 25 09:11
cubexyzvery poor designNov 25 09:11
cubexyzof course, part of the bad design is deliberateNov 25 09:13
cubexyzno light bulb company is going to make a bulb that lasts 100 yearsNov 25 09:13
cubexyzon the plus side some stuff is pretty good... dlink routers, HP Laserjets (some of them)Nov 25 09:14
cubexyzanything that is repairable or lasts beyond 15 years is pretty goodNov 25 09:15
cubexyzsome early 1950s computers needed a megawatt of power to runNov 25 09:16
cubexyzso getting things down to under 100 watts was greatNov 25 09:17
cubexyzthe transition from vacuum tubes to transistors was obviously super importantNov 25 09:18
cubexyzbut all the crappy "laptops" that last under 4 years, that's not goodNov 25 09:19
cubexyzsome of the stuff was so bad... they actually would destroy themselvesNov 25 09:19
cubexyzthe GPU would overheat 100% of the timeNov 25 09:20
cubexyzI've seen stuff go over 100CNov 25 09:21
cubexyzsome of the Dell Dimension laptops had pretty close to 100% defective rateNov 25 09:22
cubexyzand programmed obsolesence... print cartridges that stop working after a certain period of time even though they still have inkNov 25 09:24
cubexyzplanned obsolesence, laptops with forced microsoft tax, etcNov 25 09:26
cubexyzno way we can say that the current situation is idealNov 25 09:26
cubexyzwhen the company says "buy a new one" and doesn't offer fuse replacementsNov 25 09:29
cubexyzand tablets are a new low for repairability...Nov 25 09:31
cubexyzI imagine there's a mountain of broken smart phones and tablets somewhereNov 25 09:31
cubexyzoh yeah and fuses that require desoderingNov 25 09:32
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msb__I was talking about the system I mentioned, not every bad thing you can think of.  But I called up earthlink and they charge $40/month for 3Mbits/sec DSL, which stinks.Nov 25 10:44
msb__Maybe there's better, but I don't feel like looking for it now.,Nov 25 10:45
cubexyzactually I benefit from all the defectives since customers donate their stuff to meNov 25 10:45
cubexyzright, I can't think of any broadband for $20 per monthNov 25 10:48
msb__Anyhow, skype gives free phone service to every other computer user in the world, and an additional $10/month gives you all the TV and movies you want, who knows how.Nov 25 10:48
msb__I've read that some nations in Asia have much cheaper broadband than the US.Nov 25 10:49
cubexyzno doubtNov 25 10:49
cubexyzcheaper than Canada tooNov 25 10:49
msb__Well, the US is the capital of predatory capitalism, so I guess it's expected.Nov 25 10:50
msb__Anyhow, I did lots of computer work with a 56K modem for years.Nov 25 10:51
cubexyzare you happy with your existing ISP?Nov 25 10:54
msb__I have comcast for $150/month for TV, Net, and phone.  About 2MByte/sec.Nov 25 10:55
msb__They don't bother me.Nov 25 10:56
msb__I keep getting snailmail from ATT DSL so I just went to their website and entered my zipcode.  It said "your session has expired from inactivity".Nov 25 11:00
msb__Great company there!Nov 25 11:00
cubexyzAT&T is bigger than MicrosoftNov 25 11:06
msb__At least comcrap gives me continuous RT on a cable channel.Nov 25 11:08
msb__The Islamic head-choppers who machine-gunned to death the two Russian pilots coming down in their parachutes are described by Obomber as "moderate rebels".Nov 25 11:10
msb__Personally, I think the head-choppers/clit-cutters have made a big mistake by murdering a few hundred Russians and French people.  They are going to be hunted to the ends of the Earth and exterminated like vermin.Nov 25 11:26
cubexyzok, this is comparatively less important but I'm hearing from windows 7/8 users that there "old hardware" isn't supportedNov 25 11:37
cubexyzand their idea of "old" isn't anywhere close to mineNov 25 11:37
cubexyze.g. peripherals from 2009 are "old"Nov 25 11:37
cubexyzit's as you say... predatory capitalismNov 25 11:38
msb__This is good for us!  Tell them to switch to Linux.Nov 25 11:39
cubexyzyes, I show them my labNov 25 11:39
msb__You are Mr. Wizard!Nov 25 11:40
msb__Ever see him?  "fruit, cereal milk bread and butter", every week.  He must have been getting money from the American Starch Association.Nov 25 11:41
cubexyzI vaguely recall him talking about one of the 8-bit atarisNov 25 11:41
cubexyzhe died in 2007, age 89Nov 25 11:42
msb__That's pretty good.  Hope I make it that far!Nov 25 11:42
cubexyzI'm all for life maximization :)Nov 25 11:43
cubexyzhe was a good guy but a bit clueless about computersNov 25 11:43
msb__Don Herbert!  I remembered his name.  At least I don't have AlzheimerNov 25 11:44
msb__'s.Nov 25 11:44
msb__Come on in, Johnny, and sit on my lap.  Don't worry, that's just a flashlight in my pocket.  Just kidding!!!Nov 25 11:45
cubexyz1200XLNov 25 11:45
msb__Who was the weirdo in the sweater?  Mr. Something's Neighborhood.Nov 25 11:46
cubexyzMr Rogers?Nov 25 11:46
msb__Yes!Nov 25 11:47
cubexyz1988 was the year he talked about the Atari 1200XLNov 25 11:47
cubexyzthat's near the end of the 8-bit home computer eraNov 25 11:48
cubexyznot a very good computer actuallyNov 25 11:49
cubexyzbut compared to other shows Mr Wizard was a good showNov 25 11:50
cubexyzin 1988 I would have had an Amiga 500 and a 286 PCNov 25 11:51
cubexyzand I actually ran Xenix 286, so I had Unix in the homeNov 25 11:52
cubexyzFred Rogers died in 2003, aged 74Nov 25 11:53
cubexyzRogers argued in favour of fair use recording of tv showsNov 25 11:54
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msb__The one I really liked was Soupy Sales!Nov 25 11:59
cubexyzhaha, I bet most people in here never heard of Soupy Sales :)Nov 25 12:00
msb__He asked the kids, "What word begins with 'F' and ends with 'uck'?"Nov 25 12:00
msb__Of course the answer is "firetruck".Nov 25 12:00
cubexyzsnopes says no actuallyNov 25 12:01
msb__He also asked the kids to go into their father's wallet and mail him all the green pieces of paper they found there.Nov 25 12:01
cubexyzhttp://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/soupyjokes.aspNov 25 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.snopes.com | Soupy Sales' Smutty Jokes : snopes.comNov 25 12:02
msb__snopes are fascists.  I heard him say it, at least in a movie.Nov 25 12:02
cubexyzok :)Nov 25 12:02
cubexyzthe green pieces of paper was true Nov 25 12:04
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cubexyzin Soupy's autobiography he offered $10K to anyone who could prove he said those racy jokes Nov 25 12:06
cubexyzbut if you can remember which movie it was...Nov 25 12:07
cubexyzif it was on live TV it there may not be any surviving recordings of itNov 25 12:12
MinceRhttp://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12279030_10153692390890502_8490200408327057555_n.jpg?oh=159f6e89836a1330ec3c67edb89313bb&oe=56B25B3D&__gda__=1458236185_22d797fce2bcde40f2a7437422a17e3aNov 25 12:49
cubexyzhaNov 25 13:06
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FreeOpenSouRRce/status/669530654514634752Nov 25 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhXNov 25 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rightrelevance.com | Right Relevance : Influencers, Articles and ConversationsNov 25 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhXNov 25 13:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669579554600587265Nov 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: File in #Weird_Coincidences_on_Twitter along with-- https://t.co/MsJE8wOiSn https://t.co/bBP77nZYL0Nov 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScienceNews: People’s blood sugar rises or falls differently even when they eat the exact same food: https://t.co/aRMmYNEwRr https://t.co/L4pUuoHdtLNov 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just got back from #pcworld and on the doorstep there was incidentally an intimidating letter from PC World. It's "warranty" marketing spam.Nov 25 13:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MikeTilbury/status/669581576766939136Nov 25 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MikeTilbury: @schestowitz @TheRegister wow that's a great feature.Nov 25 13:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669585590866845697Nov 25 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Roy, puh-leaze, regardless of the content, re-tweeting that account discredits you, completely.Nov 25 13:46
schestowitzThe account I know about. But this particular tweet doesn't have anything too dubious.Nov 25 13:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Systemd — unit dependencies and orderNov 25 13:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5F0C4GdvwO (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 25 13:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oblznNov 25 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd — unit dependencies and order | Tux MachinesNov 25 13:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669588763136401410 https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589009505603584   https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/669589190930243584Nov 25 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 Fair enough. One thing about being a whistle-blower, is accepting the consequences; given the current RF posture...Nov 25 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 ...it sure doesn't help his ostensible agenda, which I share, to be enjoying the hospitality of the FSB.Nov 25 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ian56789: @schestowitz You should realize @Samoan_Attorney is the enemy of all decent ppl & by ignorance supports terrorists, Fascists & GlobalistsNov 25 14:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589713431470081Nov 25 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Says 'a guy' *from behind a block*, with no evidence, or credibility.Nov 25 14:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora at Czech conferencesNov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BjjIWorJkyNov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (eischmann.wordpress.com)Nov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm12Nov 25 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com | Fedora at Czech conferences | Brno's hatNov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fossil Q Founder Android Wear watch nowNov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 available to order for $295Nov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/9OlMN3qttL (9to5google.com)Nov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm13Nov 25 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Fossil Q Founder Android Wear watch now available to order for $295 | 9to5GoogleNov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standardsNov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rhepyhjlOg (joinup.ec.europa.eu)Nov 25 14:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm14Nov 25 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standards | JoinupNov 25 14:14
msb__The SU-24 copilot survived!  Rescued by the Syrian army and interviewed on RT, he said that they knew the route very well, had perfect visibility, and never crossed the border.  Turkey gave them no warning.  Big surprise.Nov 25 14:24
cubexyzhuhNov 25 14:25
cubexyzinterestingNov 25 14:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Brand New Samsung Android 6.0 MarshmallowNov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Update Schedule Leaks: Galaxy Note 5Nov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/p3sPIAL6TL (www.techtimes.com)Nov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm2jNov 25 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Brand New Samsung Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Schedule Leaks: Galaxy Note 5, 4, 3, S6, Edge, S5, S4 And Others : PERSONAL TECH : Tech TimesNov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5Nov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Hotfix Update for Ubuntu PhonesNov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6lIcq7AnrU (news.softpedia.com)Nov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm2kNov 25 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 Hotfix Update for Ubuntu PhonesNov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software IsNov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Malware https://t.co/TihcNWvObONov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 25 14:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm2lNov 25 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is MalwareNov 25 14:31
msb__John Pilger on RT right now!Nov 25 14:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android onNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Snapdragon 410 https://t.co/1H7o0Jte14Nov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Nov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm31Nov 25 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android on Snapdragon 410 ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 withNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu CoreNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Support https://t.co/4KJIOnpnduNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm32Nov 25 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core SupportNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/JavaNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 programming stack https://t.co/bcD5Rt3uCxNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Nov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm33Nov 25 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java programming stack ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 25 14:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cloudy Issues and the Perfect DistroNov 25 14:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/MJzSqAgnqn (ostatic.com)Nov 25 14:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm3aNov 25 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect DistroNov 25 14:39
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 Hotfix...'Nov 25 14:39
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware...'Nov 25 14:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RichardEWillard/status/669600588724838405Nov 25 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardEWillard: RT - schestowitz - #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/0jdc7zUfG6 not staff but critical… https://t.co/qN0SWZ7o2dNov 25 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Ben Kerensa of Mozilla tells his open source story | Opensource.comNov 25 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/XEGftquSqT not staff but critical (at times) contributor, #ubuntu too.Nov 25 14:41
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi,...'Nov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live upNov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines                 to the hype on Linux https://t.co/iOxGGV587aNov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.pcworld.com)Nov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm4iNov 25 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | PCWorldNov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell,Nov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Is No Longer Active https://t.co/vmtHwdAf8uNov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 25 14:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm4jNov 25 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer ActiveNov 25 14:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Ellen_Timmer/status/669602884498116608Nov 25 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ellen_Timmer: Alles delen https://t.co/t23bhqPRSuNov 25 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #lenovo and #dell (maybe more to come) show that machines with #microsoft #windows preinstalled are like tracking devices w/ spywareNov 25 14:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot LoaderNov 25 14:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/KZRtU7MzPrNov 25 14:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 25 14:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm4oNov 25 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummibootNov 25 14:53
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...'Nov 25 14:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781Nov 25 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@datachick: Dell picked a bad week to quit securing. https://t.co/w0KYTdXbktNov 25 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dellNov 25 14:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...'Nov 25 14:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux approach to human and ecosystemNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 well-being https://t.co/cHPeCw5JgVNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm53Nov 25 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux approach to human and ecosystem well-being | Tux MachinesNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live upNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 to the hype on Linux https://t.co/0vWIR19brtNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm54Nov 25 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | Tux MachinesNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cloudy Issues and the Perfect DistroNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gh6WJgNSJH (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm58Nov 25 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Tux MachinesNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell,Nov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Is No Longer Active https://t.co/0exYoWvmWTNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm59Nov 25 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Tux MachinesNov 25 14:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot LoaderNov 25 15:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/UBloF0giL0Nov 25 15:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 25 15:00
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm5cNov 25 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Tux MachinesNov 25 15:00
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...'Nov 25 15:00
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schestowitzI can't decrypt for some reason...Nov 25 15:08
schestowitzPGP failing on meNov 25 15:08
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...'Nov 25 15:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes?Nov 25 15:19
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/MFFlbd9hVB (fossforce.com)Nov 25 15:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm75Nov 25 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Will Steam Machine Solve Linux's Gaming Woes? | FOSS ForceNov 25 15:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Adlink’s rugged, Linux-friendly “CM1-86DX3”Nov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 PC/104 SBC is built with DMP’s new dual-core"Nov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zVewklLZQy (linuxgizmos.com)Nov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm88Nov 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Rugged, legacy PC/104 SBC taps dual-core Vortex86DX3 SoC ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wayland Protocols v1.0 ReleasedNov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1YMsnFtoiz (www.phoronix.com)Nov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm89Nov 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released - PhoronixNov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot TourNov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/y5brnFy2cXNov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxscreenshots.org)Nov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/CuEWLJSk9X (news.softpedia.com)Nov 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org | KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot TourNov 25 15:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obm8bNov 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Beautiful KaOS 2015.11 Is Out with KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Frameworks 5.16Nov 25 15:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669613776904171520Nov 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz More timy pieces of the #snitchocracy / #snatchocracy / DEFECT QUAGMIRE that must be entirely drained. https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoeNov 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6Nov 25 15:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669614226969722880Nov 25 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you were the one who said that software is math but you can't solve any software program. You just don't get it.Nov 25 15:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669614412177608709Nov 25 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog that's hilarious! I guess he never looked at the source code for any server software that actually serves up pagesNov 25 15:35
schestowitzhe thinks markup is a programNov 25 15:35
cubexyzoh no, not this again :)Nov 25 15:35
schestowitzheheNov 25 15:36
schestowitzI worry tooNov 25 15:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669614661709332480Nov 25 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz “Customer security and privacy is a top concern and priority for Dell." --Dell https://t.co/GmmPlJ0e4ZNov 25 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com | Dell Compromises Customers' Security with Pre-Installed Rootkit - BreitbartNov 25 15:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669616093728632832Nov 25 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog probably thinks that writing apps actually work like pen/paper too :/Nov 25 15:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669616763978383360  https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617147941793792Nov 25 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you are ignorant and lie. You refuse to solve ANY programc bc you can't. You twist and lie. Webpage is software.Nov 25 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why won't you solve a program if software is math? Why do you always have to lie about what I say? Are you that ignorant?Nov 25 15:43
schestowitzwebpage markup is input, not a programNov 25 15:43
schestowitzphp and apache, firefox etc. are programsNov 25 15:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097   https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618051445211136Nov 25 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.Nov 25 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Ignorant software patent critic @schestowitz announces proudly that website code is NOT software. Apparently HTML and PHP are hardware. LOLNov 25 15:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520Nov 25 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Great @schestowitz . If PHP is a software program and software is math then you can solve PHP. Can't wait for you to solve PHP. LOL.Nov 25 15:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618725864103936Nov 25 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What is the solution for PHP @schestowitz ? What is the solution for Apache or Firefox? If they're software and software is math then solve.Nov 25 15:49
schestowitzsighNov 25 15:49
schestowitzwaste of timeNov 25 15:49
schestowitzcubexyz: you're rightNov 25 15:49
schestowitzwaste of time againNov 25 15:49
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855313Nov 25 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers making stuff up https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 I can too. Patent lawyer admits stopping violence against wife.Nov 25 15:49
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855328Nov 25 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyer says "a software program" https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 George Bush said "the Google"Nov 25 15:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619049408524288Nov 25 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: The funny thing is @schestowitz has boxed himself into a corner. He can't solve software because software is not math. Exposed as ignorant!Nov 25 15:50
schestowitzphp is a program. You give it input and it gives output (the solution)Nov 25 15:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619668450017281Nov 25 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What happened to the conversation about software @schestowitz ? You lost software is math argument so now you want to talk about program?Nov 25 15:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619875631906816Nov 25 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: You said software is math, but you can't solve software, so that means it isn't math. You lie and misdirect bc you are wrong. @schestowitzNov 25 15:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669620933238222848   https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669621337862770688Nov 25 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Been fun proving software is not math, you can't solve any software and generally exposing you as ignorant. Thanks for laugh.Nov 25 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Wow. What a ridiculous way to try and make a point…Nov 25 16:00
schestowitzhe said that I said something I hadn't said, then deleted his tweetNov 25 16:01
schestowitzcubexyz: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855364  https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855378Nov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Explaining software to non-technical #patent lawyers is a lot like trying to explain Evolution to dyed-in-the-wool Theists Waste of time.Nov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #patent lawyers who never wrote a computer program lecturing others about #swpats is like Theists saying "you think we came from monkeys?"Nov 25 16:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832  https://twitter.com/iamgotlieb/status/669622512867766273Nov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQFNov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dellNov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by AnonyOps)Nov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQFNov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iamgotlieb: #Dell you fat fool. #Privacy https://t.co/ZQY7YjDYPLNov 25 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dellNov 25 16:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Undercoverinfo1/status/669622842875633664Nov 25 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Undercoverinfo1: @schestowitz @AnonyOps Another reason not to purchase device under one's own name or pay by card/cheque, or register support etcNov 25 16:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832Nov 25 16:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pandymonium01/status/669623486332010497Nov 25 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pandymonium01: This will interest you @schestowitz https://t.co/yzTuuwzIldNov 25 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musalbas: The page that Dell is linking customers to learn about the recent security issue, itself has a security issue... https://t.co/Y9f0sFDIeWNov 25 16:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669623733707866112Nov 25 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Ok. But you could have used another example of a made up statement. That's all.Nov 25 16:09
schestowitzit's the "have you stopped beating up your wife?" classicNov 25 16:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agedchild003/status/669626144321355776Nov 25 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agedchild003: Dell computers bundled with that blurts fingerprint to websites shame on https://t.co/GR1ugr7uVkNov 25 16:21
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/some-end-of-year-reading.html?showComment=1448485773696Nov 25 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Some end-of-year reading ...Nov 25 16:29
schestowitz"    It occurs to me that a book written by a European patent attorney and entitled EPC Law for patent professionals in the USA, one that is a quick and focused read, and cheap, might sell quite well in the USA and prove to be of huge benefit on both sides of the Atlantic. Does such a book exist I wonder."Nov 25 16:29
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/the-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1448480415214Nov 25 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: The European Patent Office [ http://ur1.ca/obmc0 ]Nov 25 16:29
schestowitzTroll:Nov 25 16:29
schestowitz"We see these days the union guys e-mailing and tweeting and texting so much, will it this time be a massive flash mob dance, a graffiti attack or EPO flags replaced by pirate flags as a new fresh surprise? ….VP1 is getting bored!! "Nov 25 16:29
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448479353640Nov 25 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September [ http://ur1.ca/obmc3 ]Nov 25 16:30
schestowitz"Nov 25 16:30
schestowitzYes, you have to be a bit careful about how you word something, and avoid accusations, but merely stick to facts in the public domain (damning enough). Could someone please let me know where it is said that you are not allowed to contact your delegate? I'm sure BB does not like it, but that is not the same as it being against the Service Regulations. I have already done so a while ago on another matter. So far no comeback.Nov 25 16:30
schestowitzAnyway, I'm doing it and I'll let you know if there are any consequences.Nov 25 16:30
schestowitzBy the way, where are the patent attorneys in all this? They, or their professional organizations, should get active. Politicians cannot ignore representatives of industry as easily as they can civil servants. Nov 25 16:30
schestowitz"Nov 25 16:30
msb__schestowitz: A program is a set of symbolic logic implications (imperative statements), but it cannot be solved until it is fused with the set of SL implications representing the functioning of a computer.Nov 25 16:38
msb__When that is done, the result is a sequence of symbols representing the output of the program.Nov 25 16:39
msb__schestowitz: So a program can be considered to be data for a computer.Nov 25 16:40
msb__Or a program can be considered to be an incomplete set of SL statements (expressions) until it is fused with the Nov 25 16:41
schestowitzdata cannot be sent to a processorNov 25 16:41
schestowitzthis is why some objects are executableNov 25 16:42
schestowitzand others are notNov 25 16:42
schestowitzsome are instructionsNov 25 16:42
schestowitzsome just inputNov 25 16:42
schestowitzto operate onNov 25 16:42
msb__SL representing the operation of the computer.Nov 25 16:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669632387031162880Nov 25 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Has the decision been published? I thought they had decided to publish it.Nov 25 16:43
schestowitzthe lawyers' association?Nov 25 16:43
msb__schestowitz: Go back to the fundamentals of CS -- LISP.  A LISP program can be seen as data for a LISP interpreter, or it can be seen as a higher-order processor that takes data of its own.  It is both.Nov 25 16:47
msb__schestowitz: A program is a set of SL expressions that doesn't produce anything (can't be reduced) until it is fused with the SL expressions representing the computer.Nov 25 16:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/danielnazer/status/669632986250260484Nov 25 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danielnazer: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz What's the "solution" to the Axiom of Choice? The question is nonsensical. Does that mean the AC is not math?Nov 25 16:49
msb__Likewise, a page of HTML doesn't produce anything until it is fused with an HTML interpreter program, fused with the SL representing the computer.Nov 25 16:50
msb__schestowitz: A page of HTML is a set of instructions for an HTML interpreter.Nov 25 16:52
msb__Interpreters take data which _are_ instructions (at a higher level than machine instructions).Nov 25 16:53
msb__schestowitz: So a page of HTML is a set of math expressions (data is a an expression which is a list of expressions), which is only complete (reducible) when fused with the SL representing an HTML interpreter program and a computer.Nov 25 16:56
msb__A program can be seen as instructions, or it can be seen as data for an interpreter (the computer).  Both points of view are correct.Nov 25 16:59
msb__schestowitz: a program is math according to either point of view.Nov 25 16:59
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msb__schestowitz: I got this understanding in my early teens when a friend showed me a book on LISP.Nov 25 17:01
msb__But I can express it more clearly now.Nov 25 17:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669635397014659072Nov 25 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz The decision of the enlarged board.Nov 25 17:02
schestowitzThe one 'leaked' last week?Nov 25 17:02
msb__schestowitz: LISP programs can modify themselves.  So they are both instructions _and_ data.Nov 25 17:05
msb__schestowitz: I wrote a bash program that takes any number of search strings and any number of "avoid" strings, and creates a pipeline of grep commands that emits all the pathnames under the current directory that contain all the search strings but none of the "avoid" strings.Nov 25 17:08
msb__It's very useful!Nov 25 17:09
msb__Programs that write programs are the luckiest programs in the world.  8^)Nov 25 17:09
msb__I should have said that after creating the pipeline, it executes it.Nov 25 17:10
msb__schestowitz: That pipeline string is both data -- created by the bash script -- and instructions -- executed by the bash script.Nov 25 17:12
msb__Likewise, every bash script is instructions, but also is data for the bash interpreter.  It depends on which level you look at.Nov 25 17:13
msb__An HTML page _is_ math, but is incomplete until it is added to the expressions for the interpreter and computer.Nov 25 17:15
msb__schestowitz: Why don't you tell this to that jerk who is arguing with you?Nov 25 17:16
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msb__cubexyz: You're smart.  Have you been reading what I've written?  Isn't it true?Nov 25 17:22
msb__You go back early in CS.  Do you understand the fundamentals of LISP?Nov 25 17:23
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669638241377759233Nov 25 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Yes, that one. Have there been others?Nov 25 17:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/tmoch28/status/669640989565460481Nov 25 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tmoch28: "Reeeeaal nice, clark" https://t.co/GYN3KTc7fwNov 25 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dellNov 25 17:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/seirdotmk/status/669645498098171904Nov 25 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@seirdotmk: Купујте Дел... https://t.co/UBhiJTYu5VNov 25 17:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PaulNemitz/status/669645718852935682Nov 25 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PaulNemitz: #EbenMoglen #Freedombox #cloud #logs #internet #freesoftware #opensource #freedom #privacy #surveillance #2010 https://t.co/ebAjOg88K2Nov 25 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moglen on low cost of storage and why the so-called 'cloud' is a disaster https://t.co/62dSrkgO09 epic talk, prophetic (before #nsa leaks)Nov 25 17:49
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/briswe/status/669656009284145152Nov 25 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@briswe: This conversation is just 😅 https://t.co/s6SkKjGyYQNov 25 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://t.co/wKOPhtxLJg what happens when non-programmers speak about softwareNov 25 18:26
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cubexyzmsb__, I study old tech, yesNov 25 18:44
cubexyzlisp is the oldest language after FortranNov 25 18:45
cubexyzIBM 704 (1954) vacuum tube machine, first computer with Fortran and LispNov 25 18:47
cubexyzthis goes back to the Church-Turing ThesisNov 25 18:52
cubexyzok, I'll quote the best authority on CS I know: Donald KnuthNov 25 18:53
cubexyz"To a computer scientist, this makes no sense, because every algorithm is as mathematical as anything could be. An algorithm is an abstract concept unrelated to physical laws of the universe."Nov 25 18:53
cubexyzso Knuth says software is math... that's good enough for meNov 25 18:54
cubexyzsome judges have argued that complex math is patentableNov 25 18:54
cubexyzhere's what the United States Court of Appeals said:Nov 25 18:56
cubexyzThe court ruled that the no-patenting-math rule doesn't apply if the math in question complicated enough that 'as a practical matter, the use of a computer is required' to perform the calculations.Nov 25 18:57
cubexyzVon Neumann architecture means that data and instructions are stored in the same memoryNov 25 18:59
cubexyzso a Von Neumann computer, which is basically all computers we use, is like thatNov 25 19:00
msb__I guess that court ruling knocks out Roy's strategy.Nov 25 19:00
schestowitzstrategy?Nov 25 19:00
msb__That math isn't patentable.Nov 25 19:00
cubexyzthere's a lot of wiggle room thereNov 25 19:01
cubexyzyou could argue a program that finds the first 1 million primes is complicated enough to require the use of a computer 'as a practical matter'Nov 25 19:02
cubexyzit's not a great argumentNov 25 19:02
cubexyzpractically speaking, software patents are a messNov 25 19:03
msb__They should still be banned because any programming problem, when stated clearly, can be solved by a person skilled in the art.Nov 25 19:04
cubexyzMicrosoft tried to patent sudoNov 25 19:04
cubexyzso the US Patent Office is clueless, I think Microsoft got the patentNov 25 19:05
msb__There's also usually lots of  prior art.Nov 25 19:06
cubexyzthe Microsoft sudo patent was narrowly framed to a GUI, not the conceptNov 25 19:07
cubexyzstill, it's stupidNov 25 19:07
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msb__One of the main requirements of patentability there is that the invention being patented is not obvious, meaning that a "person having ordinary skill in the art" (PHOSITA) would not know how to solve the problem at which the invention is directed by using exactly the same mechanism.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obviousness#United_States Nov 25 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Inventive step and non-obviousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 25 19:10
msb__With that plus prior art, almost all swpats should be invalid.Nov 25 19:11
msb__The math thing isn't necessary.Nov 25 19:12
msb__But programs and web pages are still math.  8^)Nov 25 19:12
msb__I just found two great Art Carney movies -- The Late Show and Harry and Tonto -- both on usenet.  I am a happy camper!Nov 25 19:14
msb__Most programs for Von Neumann computers are not self-modifying, although compilers create machine code which is then executed.Nov 25 19:19
msb__But LISP was designed to be self-modifying to begin with, which is how LISP programs become very intelligent and send out tendrils that go up your spine and into your brain, and take over, or at least share your body.Nov 25 19:20
cubexyzwe wrote self-modifying code on the C64Nov 25 19:21
msb__In what language?Nov 25 19:21
cubexyzassembly languageNov 25 19:21
msb__What was that, a 6502?Nov 25 19:21
cubexyz6510, it's very similarNov 25 19:22
cubexyzany memory location can be written toNov 25 19:22
msb__Anyhow, once the tendrils are in, it wants multiple named virtual desktops.Nov 25 19:23
msb__What did your self-modifying code do?Nov 25 19:24
cubexyzit did something with sound... can't remember exactlyNov 25 19:24
msb__I wrote the ultimate self-modifying program for the LINC computer -- Collossus the Bilk Project.  I set aside most of RAM for the SM program, and the rest for a self-interpreter that would execute the instructions in there, except it wouldn't halt and wouldn't modify the interpreter.  Then I turned it on.Nov 25 19:29
msb__The first thing I did was to type in:  Is there a god?  Of course it responded:  NOW there is!Nov 25 19:29
cubexyzthat's why we have Strong AI!Nov 25 19:30
cubexyzwait... except we don't :)Nov 25 19:31
cubexyzthere's some pretty good chatbots thoughNov 25 19:31
msb__Just kidding.  but LINC had a display instruction that would put a dot on the screen with the y coordinate in the accumulator, and the x coordinate in an index register.  I swear it made patterns like EEG graphs.Nov 25 19:31
cubexyzwas LINC a souped up PDP-8?Nov 25 19:32
cubexyzthe instruction set was different was it not?Nov 25 19:32
msb__It had a different instruction set, easier to program.  There was also the LINC-8 that could do both.Nov 25 19:32
cubexyzor was it before the PDP-8?Nov 25 19:33
msb__Don't know which came first.Nov 25 19:33
cubexyzoh coolNov 25 19:33
cubexyzdoh I forgot I documented all thisNov 25 19:36
cubexyzok, DEC LINC (1962) was first, then PDP-8 (1965), then LINC-8 (1966)Nov 25 19:36
cubexyzthen the PDP-12 (1969) which was an improved LINC-8Nov 25 19:38
cubexyzthe LINC-8 computer would be very collectableNov 25 19:39
cubexyzmag core memory, if I recall rightNov 25 19:40
msb__They were all core.  LINC was great.  It had A/D, D/A, knobs you could turn to adjust parameters (on A/D channels), an plug-in modules so you could interface your own circuits to it.Nov 25 19:42
msb__It had silver toggle switches for loading address and data, and you could just run your finger across them to set them all to 1 or 0.  And lighted pushbNov 25 19:43
msb__pushbuttons, one of which said "MARK".Nov 25 19:43
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msb__It had a speed control and an audio monitor (or maybe we added that).Nov 25 19:44
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669675432346828800Nov 25 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @KrapulaPhD @FOSSpatents I think they know quite well. Their delegates, at least.Nov 25 19:44
msb__I remember when we installed the jump to subroutine instruction.Nov 25 19:44
msb__I built a light-pen for it.Nov 25 19:45
msb__It was the ultimate personal computer for a person who liked software and electronics.Nov 25 19:46
msb__I wrote a binocular 3D display program for it, and used a knob to adjust the interocular distance.Nov 25 19:48
msb__If I don't learn how to do graphics in X pretty soon, I'm going to be very ashamed of myself.Nov 25 19:51
cubexyzyeah really :)Nov 25 19:51
cubexyzat one time, you were way ahead of us :)Nov 25 19:51
msb__Computers can do an infinite number of things.  We each follow our own path.Nov 25 19:52
schestowitzhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtmlNov 25 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | TechdirtNov 25 19:53
schestowitz"Criticizing the patent system for bad patents may result in fewer approved patents which will result in fewer inventions and less innovation because everyone knows that the number of approved patents is a good metric for measuring how inventive and innovative we are."Nov 25 19:53
schestowitz"and if you disagree with the metric mentioned above then how else are we supposed to measure innovation and inventiveness and progress? The number of patents approved provides us with an objective quantitative metric that can be counted."Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzIt's not that "...many people here distrust Florian Mueller".Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzTo distrust is to suppose that there exists something that some would claim is worthy of trust. Mr. Mueller is not that thing.Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz2011: https://therealmadhatter.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-provenance-of-florian-muller/Nov 25 19:54
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schestowitz2012: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120419070127103Nov 25 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Oracle and Florian Mueller Got Hitched ~ pjNov 25 19:54
schestowitz2013: http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/03/google-about-to-lose-patent-spat-with.htmlNov 25 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Google about to lose patent spat with Microsoft: German court inclined to ban Google MapsNov 25 19:54
schestowitz2014: http://fortune.com/2014/04/03/whats-eating-florian-mueller/Nov 25 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortune.com | What’s eating Florian Mueller? - FortuneNov 25 19:54
schestowitzHe's a worm hoping that the body he infests will rise to the top. Thus far he's bet wrong. In the process he's misled the press, the courts, and public opinion.Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzThere's nothing there to distruct because there's nothing there to trust. Florian is a gambler and he's playing on his own table with his own dice and his own rules.Nov 25 19:54
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schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzso does tarring and feathering... how about we start playing some tit for tat? Maybe they will figure it all out then?Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzNaw who am I trying to kid here... government fucks think only in terms of authority and peasantry. We just need to do as told.Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzmakes me think that perhaps his interpretation hits closer to home than I originally believedNov 25 19:54
schestowitzding-dong goes the bell here.Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz> In fact, to argue that Schestowitz's post is defamatory is crazy.Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzIndeed. Given their police and court immunity, covert surveillance and other powers, it's not so much defamation as blasphemy.Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:54
schestowitzRe: Re: Re:Nov 25 19:55
schestowitzIsn't science all about quantifiability? Number of patents granted is a quantifiable number. It's science.Nov 25 19:55
schestowitz"Nov 25 19:55
schestowitz"There are not a lot of reasons to want to prevent someone from voicing an argument you know to be false. If censoring it were somehow easier than just explaining how you know it's false, and you are lazy, maybe but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case in any lawsuit.'Nov 25 19:55
msb__While stupid swpats may prevent big companies from doing things, they won't inhibit FOSS people, any more than copyrights inhibit "piracy".  Nov 25 19:59
msb__What stupid swpats _will_ do is teach people that governments are often so stupid and evil that it's good and necessary to be an outlaw sometimes.Nov 25 20:00
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cubexyzmsb__, I found xlib programming to be fairly straightforwardNov 25 20:04
cubexyzI find that younger developers are more KDE/QT or GTK orientedNov 25 20:04
cubexyzat least on the Linux side of thingsNov 25 20:05
msb__The US and its allies have been using Islamic head-choppers/clit-cutters to wreck nations they couldn't control and enslave -- Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Serbia.  That's as evil and stupid as it's possible to get.Nov 25 20:05
msb__cubexyz: Thanks, I will check them all out.Nov 25 20:06
cubexyza lot of the 3d stuff I did was straight xlib:Nov 25 20:07
cubexyzhttp://cubeman.org/archimedean.htmlNov 25 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubeman.org | The Archimedean SolidsNov 25 20:08
cubexyzI can't imagine doing that on the older computers I had... they were just too slow and had low resolution graphicsNov 25 20:09
msb__Nice!Nov 25 20:11
cubexyzof course even the c64 would have been able to do some simple wireframe graphicsNov 25 20:11
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855483Nov 25 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "what could be done with the £175 billion admitted cost of Trident, if we lived in a society with less crazed values" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/11/british-values/Nov 25 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » British ValuesNov 25 20:12
cubexyzbut the c64 didn't really have any built-in graphical functions to speak ofNov 25 20:13
msb__I hope Carl Sagan is sailing among the stars in a dodecahedron ship, smoking a joint.Nov 25 20:14
cubexyzand "high resolution" was 320x200 with 2 coloursNov 25 20:16
cubexyznot sure how that compares to the LINC :)Nov 25 20:16
msb__LINC was mono.Nov 25 20:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854986Nov 25 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnu-org-website-says-microsoft-s-software-is-malware-496689.shtml technically correct. #microsoft #windowsNov 25 20:20
schestowitz"They must know.'Nov 25 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is MalwareNov 25 20:20
schestowitz"de acuerdo con la fsf…"Nov 25 20:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854814Nov 25 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I estimate that there are currently ~40 #epo stories in the pipeline and the queue grows bigger faster than I can 'pop' it. Keep it coming.Nov 25 20:21
schestowitz"Release them slowly, people has only so many fucks to give."Nov 25 20:21
schestowitzMy analysis and composition pace is limited alsoNov 25 20:21
schestowitzLOL, patent lawyer: https://twitter.com/MorinvillePaul/status/669689662370390017Nov 25 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MorinvillePaul: @CandidCanon @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Gene is understandibly showing his frustration with an entrenched imbicile.Nov 25 20:31
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854759Nov 25 20:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trees are bald, everywhere it's cold, and all I have left are my cups of tea. Not sure whether to write many #epo articles or #freesw linksNov 25 20:33
schestowitz"EPO? Like the stuff Lance Armstrong took to win the tours?"Nov 25 20:33
schestowitzEuropean Patent OfficeNov 25 20:33
MinceR6:)Nov 25 20:33
MinceRs/6//Nov 25 20:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854796Nov 25 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too tired for writing. So focus will be on #gnu #linux - day off tomorrow, so plenty of time to work on #epo articles!Nov 25 20:34
schestowitz"👍"Nov 25 20:34
schestowitz"yeah, solving a webpage is simple. That’s why everyone does it simply."Nov 25 20:36
schestowitzhttps://medium.com/medium-eng/why-contenteditable-is-terrible-122d8a40e480#.i3bs72fssNov 25 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Why ContentEditable is Terrible — Medium Engineering — MediumNov 25 20:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855102Nov 25 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669584590164484096 what happens when non-programmers speak about softwareNov 25 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how programmers always say software is math but they can't ever solve or reduce a simple webpage or software program of their choice.Nov 25 20:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6853666Nov 25 20:36
schestowitz"I like the bastards part."Nov 25 20:36
cubexyzcan I ban ipwatchdog? :)Nov 25 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Nov 25 20:37
schestowitzcubexyz: yeahNov 25 20:37
schestowitzfrom where?Nov 25 20:37
cubexyzmy screen :)Nov 25 20:37
cubexyzI think if I see "solve a web page" one more time my brain will explodeNov 25 20:40
MinceR:)Nov 25 20:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KevinCarson1/status/669628630100676608  https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669690492032913408Nov 25 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KevinCarson1: How the Gates Foundation Fucks Up Everything It Touches https://t.co/r7RkFaor1NNov 25 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | How the Gates Foundation Reflects the Good and the Bad of “Hacker Philanthropy”Nov 25 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 I think @schestowitz would like this. Although your tweet would be an apt title for the article.Nov 25 20:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669692388944707585Nov 25 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used.Nov 25 20:47
cubexyzprogramming is problem solving alsoNov 25 20:47
MinceRwould be nice if they didn't try to make the gate$ foundation look like it has anything to do with hackersNov 25 20:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/azurelogicapp/status/669693138131251200Nov 25 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@azurelogicapp: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used.Nov 25 20:48
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r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854888Nov 26 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #microsoft -led PR campaign is a success. A lot of people now associate #freesw and #linux with "not secure"; lies by omission/focus.Nov 26 06:33
r_schestowitz"Well, they saw it didn’t work when aiming at IT people years ago, all that FUD basically backfired but yeah, average people are scared (now the thing I use is a fallacious argument “I’m into IT and you are not, let me tell you how better I know” kind. Surprisingly efficient)"Nov 26 06:33
r_schestowitzhi, A_FriendNov 26 06:33
A_FriendDear Dr. Schestowitz, I don' t always agree with your opinions, conclusions and comments. But your focus on what is going kn at the EPO is remarkable. If needed, I'll be happy to support you in you dispute with the EPO. Nov 26 06:35
r_schestowitzthank youNov 26 06:36
A_FriendLike FOSS patents suggested. Keep up the good work.Nov 26 06:36
r_schestowitzI doubt they'll take any legal actionNov 26 06:36
r_schestowitzpartly because of backlashNov 26 06:36
r_schestowitzI have some more EPO articles coming todayNov 26 06:36
r_schestowitzI just need to prioritise and decide what goes nextNov 26 06:36
A_Friendlooking forward to the next articles and to help if I am aware or in pssession of interesting documents.Nov 26 06:37
A_FriendBye now.Nov 26 06:38
r_schestowitzthanksNov 26 06:39
r_schestowitzI will mention publicly if I need somethingNov 26 06:39
r_schestowitzin social media or in articlesNov 26 06:39
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r_schestowitzright now I want to see the CRG contract, some people have itNov 26 06:39
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r_schestowitzprobably too high up people to take the risk of leakingNov 26 06:39
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r_schestowitzit might also be useful to know the name of the CRG people 'assigned' to EPO workNov 26 06:40
r_schestowitzas that can help correlate them to their past activities, e.g. Iraq and AfghanistanNov 26 06:40
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r_schestowitzhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtmlNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitz"Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzor a very unionized country like Germany,Nov 26 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | TechdirtNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzthis is a HUGE mindfuckNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzif you work for the EPO you are officially a minion,Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzthe EPONIA King has EU immunity (and international too?!?)Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzand you signed your EU rights away in the contractNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/eponia-state-of-mind.htmlNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzhttp://www.epo.org/about-us/ jobs/why/salary-benefits.htmlNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzthey even have their own school inside GERMANY, outside the German brainwash schooling systemNov 26 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.il | The IPKat: Eponia: a State of mind?Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzhttp://esmunich.de/en/home.htmlNov 26 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - About usNov 26 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esmunich.de | ESM - HomeNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitz"Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitz"Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzthe bastard Frankenstein of the EurocratsNov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzEPOnia is not a "government agency", it is legally a Kingdom above the EU countries, it is a tyranny with ZERO accountability...Nov 26 06:57
r_schestowitzlegal- wiseNov 26 06:58
r_schestowitzhere in Germany they fuck their employees in so many ways... and it is all legal;Nov 26 06:58
r_schestowitzGerman employer rules or any other EU country do not apply inside EPOniaNov 26 06:58
r_schestowitzhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140731/04000928065/welcome-to-eponia-europes-new-rogue-state.sht mlNov 26 06:58
r_schestowitz"Nov 26 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Welcome to Eponia, Europe's New Rogue State? | TechdirtNov 26 06:58
r_schestowitz"There are not a lot of reasons to want to prevent someone from voicing an argument you know to be false. If censoring it were somehow easier than just explaining how you know it's false, and you are lazy, maybe but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case in any lawsuit."Nov 26 06:58
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855463Nov 26 07:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch the film #algorithm right now. It's not for a mainstream audience, but it's a good film.Nov 26 07:08
r_schestowitz"Does it have to be now? :<<"Nov 26 07:08
r_schestowitzFor mainstream = higher budgetNov 26 07:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04,Nov 26 07:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Snapcraft 2.0 In Plan for Ubuntu 16.04Nov 26 07:11
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pRW0naxK0M (news.softpedia.com)Nov 26 07:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnlvNov 26 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, Snapcraft 2.0 Planned for Ubuntu 16.04Nov 26 07:11
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854832Nov 26 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Well, could be worse. @Control_Risks ('British Blackwater') serves the 'heads' of people. Others serve fingers http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingersNov 26 07:19
r_schestowitzA lot of killers turn family man and pleasant neightbour when they come back to safe environment. Conditionnement, group dynamic, stress and nasty environment are part of the monsterNov 26 07:19
r_schestowitzOf course, some of them like the monster they were, and won’t change. Most of these destroy themselves (drugs, jail, suicide…), but those surviving are like mad dogs in a nurseryNov 26 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | US news | The GuardianNov 26 07:19
r_schestowitz^ QUOTENov 26 07:19
r_schestowitzThe toll of foreign policy like that in Vietnam (legacy lives on to date)Nov 26 07:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Holiday tech support: 5 tips for Android phonesNov 26 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/atMHkmaRx7 (www.theverge.com)Nov 26 07:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnmwNov 26 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Holiday tech support: 5 tips for Android phones | The VergeNov 26 07:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be theNov 26 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                 World's First $8 ComputerNov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GgxwV3Owsv (linux.softpedia.com)Nov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnmxNov 26 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will Be the World's First $8 ComputerNov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based onNov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines                 CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3Nov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/B6a4w58e3w (news.softpedia.com)Nov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnmyNov 26 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | CruxEX 3.2 64-Bit Linux Live OS Is Based on CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3Nov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating SystemNov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines                 with Linux  https://t.co/qGPtnzojdjNov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com)Nov 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnn0Nov 26 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com | Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with LinuxNov 26 07:26
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with...'Nov 26 07:26
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be the World's...'Nov 26 07:26
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based...'Nov 26 07:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a LivemediaNov 26 07:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Creator Tool for Making Live CDs Nov 26 07:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/CmH4otI8sM (news.softpedia.com)Nov 26 07:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnndNov 26 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia Creator Tool for Making Live CDsNov 26 07:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating SystemNov 26 07:33
TweetTuxMachines                 with Linux https://t.co/25iHeixDb1Nov 26 07:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 07:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnneNov 26 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with Linux | Tux MachinesNov 26 07:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/LTkxsyU5iYNov 26 07:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 07:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnnxNov 26 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux MachinesNov 26 07:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp (thevarguy.com)Nov 26 07:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnnyNov 26 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Linux Foundation Explains a "World without Linux" and Open Source | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR GuyNov 26 07:41
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp'Nov 26 07:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Foundation Explains a "World withoutNov 26 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux" and Open Source https://t.co/J26CJm9eMpNov 26 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (thevarguy.com)Nov 26 07:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnnzNov 26 07:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best Android Black Friday 2015 DealsNov 26 07:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gHPREpEgQD (www.gottabemobile.com)Nov 26 07:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obno3Nov 26 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | Best Android Black Friday 2015 DealsNov 26 07:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-SnapNov 26 07:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Architecture, Says Mark ShuttleworthNov 26 07:51
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/W1BldwZjVr (linux.softpedia.com)Nov 26 07:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnohNov 26 07:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap Architecture, Says Mark ShuttleworthNov 26 07:51
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New...'Nov 26 07:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, TakesNov 26 07:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Advantage Of OpenGL 3 On The GPUNov 26 07:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/wXMSBYDOo2 (www.phoronix.com)Nov 26 07:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/y59Z0vg7wz (news.softpedia.com)Nov 26 07:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnooNov 26 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage Of OpenGL 3 On The GPU - PhoronixNov 26 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition Beta Is Out, Download Now for Ubuntu and WindowsNov 26 07:53
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage...'Nov 26 08:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to PatchNov 26 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 High and Critical Security IssuesNov 26 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/l92bZ40kQR (news.softpedia.com)Nov 26 08:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnqmNov 26 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and Critical Security IssuesNov 26 08:26
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/669863942840295427Nov 26 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz We've had Win 10 IoT running on PIs, just for shits and giggles, but ofc it's a very different beast to full fat.Nov 26 08:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nokia’s first flagship Android phoneNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines                 purportedly revealed in leaked photoNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XQNQg6Cwjl (bgr.com) back toNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux? https://t.co/a6y3455Kdp (techrights.org)Nov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnreNov 26 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Nokia C1 rumors: Questionable render pops up, shows Android and Win10 | BGRNov 26 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - TechrightsNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 releasedNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/SnFPbAw0kQ (blog.qt.io)Nov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnrfNov 26 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released - Qt BlogNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being BuiltNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PozRpl4twd (news.softpedia.com)Nov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnrgNov 26 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being BuiltNov 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for aNov 26 08:36
TweetTuxMachines                 seasoned Arch user? https://t.co/nD6qFzvnEENov 26 08:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.itworld.com)Nov 26 08:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnrhNov 26 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a seasoned Arch user? | ITworldNov 26 08:36
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/redlocal/status/669872249806200832Nov 26 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/AysUh0Xn0W https://t.co/lKEVSvu66lNov 26 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Opensource.com thanks the open source community | Opensource.comNov 26 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/GARtEQqtKsNov 26 08:36
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669874132096446465Nov 26 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: I'm running #GOME3 on #Debian Sid w/o #systemd—using placebo 'systemd-shims'—all as placebo for @_Enlightenment_ ;-) https://t.co/HIuXgJ4VpRNov 26 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Will You Be Able To Run a Modern Desktop Environment In 2016 Without Systemd? https://t.co/kD0N3NDtm4 #systemd #redhatNov 26 08:47
cubexyzanswer: yesNov 26 08:48
msb_Devuan and Trinity, hopefully.Nov 26 08:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux MX-15 in Beta 2 will ship in 32 and 64Nov 26 08:52
TweetTuxMachines                 bit versions.  https://t.co/2KEm8wUTFnNov 26 08:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.mepiscommunity.org)Nov 26 08:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vP0FwizCryNov 26 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mepiscommunity.org | MX Linux | MX & Mepis CommunityNov 26 08:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk)Nov 26 08:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnsjNov 26 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk | La Esquina de un Migrante a Linux: Good News!Nov 26 08:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nokia’s first flagship Android phoneNov 26 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 purportedly revealed in leaked photoNov 26 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jRcS1Md3E6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 08:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnspNov 26 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nokia’s first flagship Android phone purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Tux MachinesNov 26 08:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 releasedNov 26 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/OOn0Wz6Dbp (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 08:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnsrNov 26 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Tux MachinesNov 26 08:53
r_schestowitz http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.htmlNov 26 09:11
r_schestowitz"https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml#comments"Nov 26 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: EPO labor dispute getting completely out of hand: three union leaders suspended, others pressuredNov 26 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | TechdirtNov 26 09:11
r_schestowitz"Nov 26 09:11
r_schestowitzand let's not forget the suicides...Nov 26 09:11
r_schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/08/27/epo-suicides-endemic/Nov 26 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Another Suicide at the EPO, Fifth by Our Count | TechrightsNov 26 09:11
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669878619343319040Nov 26 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Mind you, it might be my first thanksgiving. Because of the turkey of course. (oh well, poor animals...).Nov 26 09:15
r_schestowitzYes, I consider becoming veganNov 26 09:15
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669879322316922880Nov 26 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Same here. Ppl from #Chicomoztocah [7 Caves] don't celebrate that; #huexolotl ['turkey'] is just part of foodstuff: https://t.co/hKAQ7eGZRiNov 26 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We don't celebrate #thanksgiving here, but this morning we had some turkey for breakfast. A little symbolic. Bought it last night.Nov 26 09:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being BuiltNov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3FkvbfKPo3 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnukNov 26 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Tux MachinesNov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning)Nov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/MSJjquiwzM (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnulNov 26 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Tux MachinesNov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans SystemdNov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/kaB2pPve56 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 09:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnumNov 26 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Tux MachinesNov 26 09:24
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669884640459624449Nov 26 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Just wait... he's gonna get out of the bloody car at some point anyway, right?Nov 26 10:07
r_schestowitzHe has too high a view of himselfNov 26 10:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, Nov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Running Sans Systemd Gets HardNov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/VH1jMCzksO (techrights.org)Nov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnx3Nov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/lzkhxO09IrNov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnx4Nov 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | TechrightsNov 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesNov 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/hH9prCOb7xNov 26 10:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 10:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnx8Nov 26 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesNov 26 10:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers https://t.co/o1WJ6fITQwNov 26 10:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnxuNov 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to customise your Linux desktop: CinnamonNov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/C9OCaCynSL (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnxvNov 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Tux MachinesNov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     French public sector still a large user of FreeNov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Software (PAC) https://t.co/AzjZKdI51mNov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 26 10:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obnxwNov 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | French public sector still a large user of Free Software (PAC) | Tux MachinesNov 26 10:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia...'Nov 26 12:16
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and...'Nov 26 12:16
r_schestowitz"    Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth (Matthew, 5:5)"Nov 26 12:18
r_schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448558110913Nov 26 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and SuspensionsNov 26 12:18
r_schestowitz"    Cursèd is the suepo leadership, for they shall be cast into the wilderness (Benoît, 11:2015)"Nov 26 12:18
r_schestowitzLOLNov 26 12:18
r_schestowitz"Help yourself if you like any of this.'Nov 26 12:22
r_schestowitzJust got a guest postNov 26 12:22
r_schestowitz"This is just one guy's opinion..."Nov 26 12:23
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/669943226539876352Nov 26 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Software is algorithms, you pass values into the algorithms to get the Solutions!!!!! @danielnazerNov 26 13:48
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MinceRhttps://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12278917_1696176237281352_6433014407762370004_n.jpg?oh=0480eeabb922a7571d26fc5786dd5c2a&oe=56F6EA93Nov 26 14:25
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r_schestowitzPutitin in the  turkeyNov 26 14:27
MinceRdon't putitin the turkey, that's grossNov 26 14:29
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msb_According to RT, Russian aircraft pounded the Turkmen (sp?) head-chopper allies of Turkey who fired on the SU-24 pilots in their chutes and blew up a Russian rescue helicopter using an American TOW missile.Nov 26 14:41
MinceRand according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sunNov 26 14:46
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msb__Hmm, #techrights disappeared for 20 minutes, but now it's back.  Anyone else see that?Nov 26 15:06
msb__Perhaps when MinceR's North Koreans landed on the surface of the Sun, it caused a tremendous disturbance in the Force.Nov 26 15:11
r_schestowitzthe channel?Nov 26 15:12
msb__Yes, the #techrights IRC channel.Nov 26 15:12
MinceRfreenode seems to be having issuesNov 26 15:13
r_schestowitzthere was a netsplit earlierNov 26 15:13
r_schestowitzaffected all channelsNov 26 15:13
r_schestowitz[19:46] <MinceR> and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sunNov 26 15:14
r_schestowitzI don't think I ever saw English-speaking nkorean mediaNov 26 15:14
r_schestowitzI may have seen just one, but that was a very long time agoNov 26 15:14
r_schestowitz[19:29] <MinceR> don't putitin the turkey, that's grossNov 26 15:14
r_schestowitzPut it in the hog insteadNov 26 15:14
r_schestowitz!google cameron pigNov 26 15:15
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Piggate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiggateNov 26 15:15
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msb__IRC got kinda funky for me a couple of months and has stayed that way.  Now all channels show "lag unknown" instead of giving lag in milliseconds.Nov 26 15:15
r_schestowitzmaybe irc client issuesNov 26 15:15
r_schestowitzmine shows lagNov 26 15:15
msb__I've been using konversation 1.3.1 from kde 4.6 for years.  Haven't changed it.  Have restarted it many times.  Could be my ISP Comcast.Nov 26 15:18
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cubexyzhmm, seems to work OK for meNov 26 15:20
cubexyzaside from the usual net splitsNov 26 15:20
msb__Momentarily showed lag 177ms, then switched back to lag unknown.Nov 26 15:20
cubexyzno interruptions for me so farNov 26 15:20
cubexyzoh wait, yes now I see itNov 26 15:21
cubexyzjust wasn't looking at the screen during that timeNov 26 15:21
cubexyzthere was a net splitNov 26 15:21
cubexyzok.. it's official... longest uptime ever for FC1: 384 daysNov 26 15:22
cubexyzthat passes my openbsd record of 382 daysNov 26 15:23
msb__cubexyz: I was actually going to phone you up, but then the channel came back.Nov 26 15:24
msb__I'd like to see a picture of your lab, showing all the computers.Nov 26 15:25
cubexyzthey aren't all in the same room :)Nov 26 15:25
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cubexyzanyways there just a bunch of boring towers and desktopsNov 26 15:26
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cubexyzthe only semi-interesting thing is q4osNov 26 15:30
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-trinity-2015.pngNov 26 15:30
cubexyzor KDE with plan9:Nov 26 15:32
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.pngNov 26 15:32
msb__I envision a central cockpit with a hydraulic power-chair and about nine 36" screens.  Nov 26 15:32
cubexyzthe reality is somewhat more mundaneNov 26 15:33
cubexyzyou're still thinking about The Matrix :)Nov 26 15:34
msb__Or a B5 WhiteStar.Nov 26 15:34
cubexyzthe boring reality:Nov 26 15:39
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/boring-computer-setup.pngNov 26 15:40
cubexyzssh into 6 machines, along with the chromebook, zaurus, amiga, and another stack of machines which are either broken or even more obsoleteNov 26 15:41
cubexyzthere's a whole room just filled with partsNov 26 15:42
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msb__Someone should create Vorlon Linux.  Infinitely powerful, but behind its Encounter Shell no one knows exactly what it's doing.Nov 26 15:45
cubexyza pity I didn't keep the 286Nov 26 15:47
cubexyzbut it would just be another boring boxNov 26 15:47
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/futuretron-286.jpgNov 26 15:48
cubexyzonly $2646 :)Nov 26 15:48
cubexyzmakes me wonder how much motherboards cost back in 1986Nov 26 15:50
msb__When a dollar was worth a lot more than it is today.Nov 26 15:50
msb__I remember seeing ads like that, or very similar.Nov 26 15:51
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msb__Back then a 286 was state of the art.  Probably as powerful as a good-size PDP-11, but much cheaper.Nov 26 15:54
msb__IBM was still revealing the BIOS code for its 286s.Nov 26 15:55
cubexyz8 mhz 286 with hercules graphics, I thought it was decent at the timeNov 26 15:56
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669981321456914432Nov 26 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: yes, I was struck by this too...sad; I used to respect the Guardian's journos...no one much left now https://t.co/5bbDaIXtOwNov 26 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #ukNov 26 16:01
cubexyzfor a comparison, a PPD-11/34 could do 495 drystones/secNov 26 16:01
cubexyzthat's a bit worse than a 286 :)Nov 26 16:02
cubexyza 6 mhz 286 could do 684 drystones/secNov 26 16:02
cubexyzDEC got clobbered in that departmentNov 26 16:02
msb__What did an 11/34 cost?Nov 26 16:03
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cubexyza PDP-11/73 with a KDJ11 15 mhz could do 981 dry/sNov 26 16:03
cubexyzthe PDP-11/34 would be around $30KNov 26 16:05
msb__And a 11/73?Nov 26 16:05
cubexyzbut remember that was back in 1976Nov 26 16:05
cubexyzummmNov 26 16:07
msb__I think an 11/70 was at least $100K.  I remember being ushered in to see one used for molecular modelling.Nov 26 16:08
cubexyzyou could get the smaller microPDP-11/73 so I think the price was a lot lowerNov 26 16:08
cubexyzmaybe in the $20K rangeNov 26 16:08
cubexyzcan't remember the prices on PDP-11/70 but yes, they were expensiveNov 26 16:09
cubexyzbut before the 1980s the PDP-11s were more viableNov 26 16:10
cubexyzin 1975-76 there was no microcomputers that could do what a PDP-11/70 could doNov 26 16:11
msb__I think it was used for processing X-ray diffraction films of protein crystals, to determine the structure of protein molecules.  Very important for molecular biology.  People could figure out exactly how enzymes worked.Nov 26 16:11
msb__That's a Holy Grail of molecular biology.Nov 26 16:12
cubexyzeven now, a PDP-11/70 would cost some major bucksNov 26 16:12
cubexyzok, by 1979 you could get a PDP-11/70 with 1 meg of ram for $43,700Nov 26 16:13
msb__It had an enormous CRT display suspended from the ceiling.Nov 26 16:13
cubexyzso there was a major price reductionNov 26 16:13
cubexyzoriginal price: $93,000 so going over $100K would be easy with peripheralsNov 26 16:13
cubexyzof course by 1979 you could get a VAX-11/780 insteadNov 26 16:15
msb__That was real Unix iron!Nov 26 16:19
cubexyzI think the only PDP I ever used in a job was PDP-10Nov 26 16:19
msb__Wonder how it compares with my dual core AMD from years ago, printed out like a postage stamp.Nov 26 16:19
cubexyzeven a DEC Alpha would have paled in comparisonNov 26 16:20
cubexyzthe old PDP-11s were just dinosaursNov 26 16:21
msb__But great instruction sets.Nov 26 16:21
cubexyzvax780 was used by Bell Labs to make Unix v8Nov 26 16:22
cubexyza microvax would be cool to have... someday I'll probably buy one :)Nov 26 16:23
cubexyzbut getting a working PDP-11/45 or PDP-11/70 would probably cost $3k to $5KNov 26 16:23
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cubexyzof course sometimes you can get luckyNov 26 16:25
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/669989241104048128Nov 26 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Being someone who has writen for Linux magazines for 15 years I can't argue with that.Nov 26 16:25
cubexyzsomeone gets tired of having all the old PDP-11s in the house and they will donate to some worthy successorNov 26 16:25
msb__Those were the days of real computer/software engineering, like the race for the Moon.  Now it's all "New Bullshit Linux 5.9 corrects 80,000 errors in KDE Plasma!"Nov 26 16:25
cubexyzI still correct KDE errors :)Nov 26 16:26
cubexyzjust in old KDE thoughNov 26 16:26
cubexyzwell a lot of the old Unix crowd is still aroundNov 26 16:27
cubexyzsome of them are a bit anti-Linux actuallyNov 26 16:28
cubexyzbut I heard Thompson uses LinuxNov 26 16:29
msb__I don't notice any KDE3 errors.  Either I don't use those apps, or have substituted KDE4.6 versions, or I work around them without realizing it.Nov 26 16:29
cubexyzsome of the games have a few bugs, nothing seriousNov 26 16:29
msb__I can imagine old Unixers avoiding systemd!Nov 26 16:30
cubexyzno doubt about thatNov 26 16:31
cubexyzyou can include me in that category :)Nov 26 16:31
msb__and me both.Nov 26 16:31
msb__The VUA in Devuan stands for Veteran Unix Admin.Nov 26 16:33
cubexyza lot of the old Unix folks went to BSDNov 26 16:35
cubexyzbut there's more happening on the Linux sideNov 26 16:36
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cubexyzI came out of video game/graphics development, so Linux was where there was more actionNov 26 16:37
cubexyzthere was some cross development to DEC Alpha and BSD but not very muchNov 26 16:39
cubexyzAlpha and PPCNov 26 16:39
cubexyzthat was back in 1999-2000 though... I haven't heard anything latelyNov 26 16:39
oiaohmmsb__: even the race to the moon was not without is computer issues.Nov 26 16:40
msb__Four major attacks on Linux, all around the same few years: 1. UEFI  2. systemd  3.  SJWs  4. KDE4/5/Plasma with attacks on Trinity.  "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_   What is _four_ times?Nov 26 16:41
oiaohmTrinity really over time showed that the choice to major internal changes was kinda required.Nov 26 16:43
oiaohmsystemd would not have caused as much issue if consolekit/consolekit2 had been maintained.Nov 26 16:44
msb__The superb movie Apollo 13 (1995) shows a lot of computer stuff.Nov 26 16:44
oiaohmApollo 13 you have to remember that was the 13 mission.Nov 26 16:45
oiaohmScary enough every Apollo mission had something go wrong just Apollo 13 was the worst.Nov 26 16:45
oiaohmUEFI has a long last started bring so Linux can update firmware.    Before UEFI there were getting more and more motherboards where the only way to update firmware was boot to Windows.Nov 26 16:46
oiaohmmsb__: My problem is before systemd and UEFI Linux was techically in trouble.    Ok UEFI and Systemd have managed to bring as much trouble as they have fixed at this stage.Nov 26 16:48
msb__oiaohm: 1, no reason not to have qt3 and qt4 on the same machine 2. even just the init part of systemd is a godawful pile of shit  http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/  3.  my favorite mobo for an AMD 8-core can update (and download) firmware from/to a USB stick 4. Linux was not in trouble at all!  5. Who do you work for, anyhow?Nov 26 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatiseNov 26 16:52
oiaohmmsb__: I did not say all motherboards had firmware update issues.   Just we were getting more and more of them with Windows only Update programs.    Some would support updating from USB key directly others did not.Nov 26 16:56
oiaohmmsb__: UEFI 2.5 at long last defined a Universal interface for sending in new firmware.Nov 26 16:57
oiaohmmsb__: qt3 has a long list of security flaws linked to it.   Unfortunatiy these are in fact design bugs that if you fix you break the old qt3 applications.Nov 26 16:58
msb__oiaohm: So?  Buy a good mobo or run a windows emulator to update the firmware.  UEFI also prevented running Linux.  Remember?Nov 26 16:58
oiaohmmsb__: UEFI depends on the motherboard if it prevents Linux running or not.Nov 26 16:58
msb__qt3 works fine in KDE3, so if it's only used for that, no problemNov 26 16:59
msb__Microsoft's _purpose_ in pushing UEFI was to prevent running Linux.  Remember?Nov 26 16:59
oiaohmqt3 single user on a system is fine.   There is a issue with qt3 temp files.Nov 26 16:59
oiaohmBasically qt3 based is screwed.Nov 26 17:00
msb__Strange that it works fine for me in kde3.Nov 26 17:01
oiaohmmsb__: are you running multi user system requiring secuirity between them.Nov 26 17:01
msb__no, and neither are 99.9% of Linux usersNov 26 17:01
oiaohmNot exactly the correct percentage.Nov 26 17:02
oiaohm80 percent of Linux desktop users are single.  20 percent shared setups.   Schools/governments.....Nov 26 17:02
oiaohmSo there is quite a volume of Linux users effected by the qt3 issues.Nov 26 17:03
oiaohmTrinity porting to qt4 for majority is one way of fixing the problem.Nov 26 17:03
oiaohmAt times particularly libraries has to die.Nov 26 17:03
oiaohmUnfortantly in the qt3 case it was a heavily used library.Nov 26 17:04
oiaohmThere are a few things about UEFI that are interesting.    UEFI is design to allow multi OS to be installed.   So no more MBR fight stupidity.Nov 26 17:05
oiaohmNot everything about UEFI was about being in Microsoft favor msb__Nov 26 17:05
oiaohmIn fact most of UEFI is not in Microsoft favor.Nov 26 17:06
msb__Just enough of it to kill Linux!Nov 26 17:06
oiaohmBefore UEFI signing there were motherboards that if they detected a MBR that was not Microsoft they did not boot either.Nov 26 17:07
oiaohmLinux was at theat of not being able to boot with or without UEFI existance.Nov 26 17:08
oiaohmAt least UEFI has allowed open arguement about it.Nov 26 17:08
oiaohmmsb__: so like it or not before UEFI trouble for Linux had appeared.    Remember the ACPI tables that Microsoft gave to OEM that were so far broken they did not even work with newer versions of Windows.Nov 26 17:10
oiaohmmsb__: I know its hard to accept but Microsoft is not trying to just kill Linux but its also been attempt to prevent users from using old Windows on newer hardware and new windows on older hardware.Nov 26 17:12
oiaohmMost reason that Microsoft has not had perfect success is ODM not playing along.   Linux issue is ODM don't play along with anyone perfectly.Nov 26 17:13
oiaohmmsb__: at the moment I work doing solution consolting and maintaince.Nov 26 17:14
msb__oiaohm: It's not hard to accept at all.  But you're saying that UEFI is fine because it allows arguing, even though it prevents running Linux without getting a key from goddamn Microshit.  You argue like a lawyer -- distracting people's attention from big important issues by mentioning little insignificant ones.  I know you can argue for hours, but I am not going to play your game anymore.  Goodbye.Nov 26 17:16
oiaohmmsb__: I have UEFI motherboards where you don't need a key from Microsoft at all.Nov 26 17:17
oiaohmmsb__: In fact they don't have the Microsoft KEK out the box you have to use the provided USB key to inload that before you can install Windows.Nov 26 17:18
oiaohmmsb__: Its ODM that define what default keys will be in there Motherboards.Nov 26 17:19
msb__oiaohm: It is necessary to think carefully and see around your lying propaganda to realize that in many UEFI mobos a key from MS IS necessary.Nov 26 17:20
oiaohmmsb__: sorry I am not lying.Nov 26 17:22
oiaohmhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBootNov 26 17:22
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oiaohmMS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement.Nov 26 17:22
oiaohmYou can order boards from Intel and Gigabyte with your own private KEK installed and no Microsoft KEK at all.Nov 26 17:23
msb__oiaohm: You are lying by giving incomplete facts, which give people wrong ideas unless they know what you have omitted.]Nov 26 17:23
r_schestowitzMS puff piece http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html?_r=0Nov 26 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/obop8 ]Nov 26 17:24
r_schestowitzI think I mentioned it last weekNov 26 17:24
msb__oiaohm: So people who have already bought a computer with a MS key installed and not changeable will have to buy a new computer in order to run Linux.  The LIE is that you did not mention that.Nov 26 17:26
oiaohmmsb__: If you mean UEFI blobs for init hardware.   From the start resigning them has always been possible.   Later UEFI allows multi singing on blobs.Nov 26 17:26
oiaohmmsb__: what you just said is the lie.Nov 26 17:27
oiaohmMS Key is removable but you have todo it carefuly.Nov 26 17:27
oiaohmIt simpler to start off with a system without the MS Key because you don't have the issue of UEFI hardware init blobs being MS signed.Nov 26 17:27
oiaohmmsb__: also Microsoft has signed boot shims for Linux.    So even if you don't add a Ubuntu/redhat/own KEK it still possible to boot Linux.Nov 26 17:29
oiaohmmsb__: http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-windows-8-uefi-platform/   Also there is something more fun.Nov 26 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hansenpartnership.com | Owning your Windows 8 UEFI Platform | James Bottomley's random Pages [ http://ur1.ca/cxzfo ]Nov 26 17:32
MinceR232253 < oiaohm> MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement.Nov 26 17:32
MinceRassuming that they allow you to replace the keysNov 26 17:32
oiaohmmsb__: If you kill the UEFI pk setting the UEFI boot process no longer gives a rats abotu signing until it has a new PK.Nov 26 17:32
MinceRand even if you can, it will probably still kill booting from removable devicesNov 26 17:33
MinceRwho needs that, right?Nov 26 17:33
oiaohmMinceR: removing the PK and disabling signing completely does not remove boot options.Nov 26 17:33
r_schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/do-it-pros-work-too-much-survey-says-yes/#ftag=RSSbaffb68Nov 26 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Do IT pros work too much? Survey says 'Yes' | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/oboq5 ]Nov 26 17:34
r_schestowitz"Offshoring, automation, staff cuts, and long hours all combine to make for some very disgruntled workers in the IT business. To say that IT staffers are overworked is somewhat of an understatement. We've known it for years, but now we have the numbers to prove it. Spiceworks conducted a survey of IT pros that helps shed some light onto what's going on in IT."Nov 26 17:34
MinceRwell, i've read about at least one uefi implementation where just enabling Restricted Boot is sufficient to make it forbid booting from a removable deviceNov 26 17:34
MinceRalso, i wonder if there's any guarantee that booting winblows just once on a uefi appliance won't be able to fuck up your key and place its own in its placeNov 26 17:34
oiaohmMinceR: you cannot enabled restricted boot if the UEFI Motherboard has it PK cleared.Nov 26 17:35
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oiaohmTo enable restricted boot the board has to be Keyed.Nov 26 17:35
MinceRand what about uefi implementations where you can't disable restricted boot?Nov 26 17:35
MinceR(the ones m$ is preparing for with its vista10 logo requirements)Nov 26 17:35
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/0jUrYcA.jpgNov 26 17:36
oiaohmTo be correct windows 10 requirements is that restricted boot is on.   Not that the motherboard cannot have restricted boot disabled.Nov 26 17:37
MinceRthen there were those "funny" uefi "computers" where you had to disconnect the hdd to even make it let you enter the uefi setupNov 26 17:37
oiaohmThe process of updating the PK requires going to no key state.Nov 26 17:37
MinceRyes, and previous requirements were that it must be possible to disable itNov 26 17:37
MinceRthe only possible reason to remove that requirement is so that they can make "computers" where you can't disable itNov 26 17:37
MinceRand the next step will be to do what they did on arm: make it impossible to disableNov 26 17:37
oiaohmEven arm UEFI it possible to disable PKNov 26 17:38
MinceRsounds like it's impossible to update the PKNov 26 17:38
MinceRhow do they get the vista8 sticker on those, then?Nov 26 17:38
oiaohmMinceR: please note not being able to disable secureboot is one thing and deleting PK is another.Nov 26 17:43
oiaohmThere are some ASUS motherboards that show no disable option for secureboot but include an option to delete the PK that turns all signing off.Nov 26 17:43
MinceRthe better to screw the usersNov 26 17:45
oiaohmFairly much.Nov 26 17:46
oiaohmIt tricks users that secureboot cannot be turned off because while the MS KEK is installed they show the secureboot option as on and greyed out on disabling.Nov 26 17:46
oiaohmAfter you nuke and replace the PK and KEK's with your own secureboot gets back its on off switch.Nov 26 17:47
oiaohmand of course then ASUS will not back waranity.Nov 26 17:47
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MinceRso asus screws pc users like they screw telephone and tablet usersNov 26 17:50
MinceRclassyNov 26 17:50
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oiaohmMinceR: not really.Nov 26 17:51
oiaohmhttps://www.all4os.com/windows/disable-asus-motherboards-uefi-secure-boot.htmlNov 26 17:51
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oiaohmMinceR: Asus does include means to load in own PK and KEKs after you have nuked them.Nov 26 17:52
MinceRbut they terminate your warrantyNov 26 17:52
MinceRjust like they do on the Transformer PadNov 26 17:52
oiaohmDepending on country.Nov 26 17:52
oiaohmAustralia we have fair trade protection.Nov 26 17:53
oiaohmSo they have to prove that the modification caused the failure.Nov 26 17:53
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oiaohmOther countries not so lucky.Nov 26 17:53
oiaohmNewer UEFI motherboards are getting better on including PK/KEK replacement tools.Nov 26 17:54
MinceRand they're getting worse on letting the user easily disable restricted bootNov 26 17:55
oiaohmI kinda agree.   Removing the PK has the same functional resualt of disabling restricted boot.Nov 26 17:55
oiaohmThe issue of course is Windows 10 is not going to boot without restricted boot.Nov 26 17:56
oiaohmIf it was installed with restricted boot.Nov 26 17:56
oiaohmNo valid PK equals no KEK's so system boots without doing any signature checking.Nov 26 17:57
oiaohmMinceR: please note secureboot on off switch was not part of UEFI standard.   The standard from the start to disable UEFI secure boot was remove PK.Nov 26 17:58
MinceRfuck the standardNov 26 17:58
MinceRalso, fuck uefiNov 26 17:58
MinceRi didn't ask to be locked out of the products i buy with my own moneyNov 26 17:59
oiaohmYou are not locked out as long as you can remove the PKNov 26 17:59
oiaohmAnd replace it.Nov 26 17:59
MinceRi wonder how long i will be allowed to do thatNov 26 18:00
oiaohmEarly UEFI ODM did not want you to be replacemnt PK at all.Nov 26 18:01
oiaohmBut of course Linux coders worked out how to make copies of the OEM key replacement tools.Nov 26 18:01
oiaohmAnd the secureboot on/off option was that you could not replace the PK.Nov 26 18:02
oiaohmBy being able to replace the PK allows you to remove MS signing keys/any other signing keys and only allow items you approve of to run.Nov 26 18:02
MinceRuntil most people get used to restricted boot and think the threat has passedNov 26 18:03
MinceRand then they take the next stepNov 26 18:03
MinceRas usualNov 26 18:03
MinceRthis is how they manipulate laws tooNov 26 18:03
MinceR(acta, sopa, tpp, ...)Nov 26 18:03
oiaohmMinceR: remember you use to have to use the boot program keytool to mess with the PK.Nov 26 18:05
MinceRwhich you can't boot because the system is locked downNov 26 18:05
oiaohmMinceR: due to legal requirements Microsoft signed it.Nov 26 18:06
oiaohmSo even a locked down system it runs.Nov 26 18:06
oiaohmOf course Microsoft did not sign it for arm.Nov 26 18:06
MinceRof courseNov 26 18:07
oiaohmThere are jtag was in on arm.Nov 26 18:07
MinceRbecause the market of arm devices does not need to be a free oneNov 26 18:07
MinceRlet me guess... m$ can revoke that signatureNov 26 18:07
MinceRand the revocation can be applied if someone boots winblows once, with an internet connectionNov 26 18:07
MinceRor a new enough version that already knows it is to be revokedNov 26 18:08
oiaohmTo be correct no if Microsoft puts out a revoke its a breach of competition law unless it a case that there is a newer version that Microsoft has already signed and the old version has some major flaw.Nov 26 18:08
MinceRcompetition law, which is being enforced less and lessNov 26 18:09
oiaohmThe problem here is the ruling was granted.Nov 26 18:09
MinceRdid they get punished for vista10 changing default browser to ie and not letting other browsers change it?Nov 26 18:09
MinceRantitrust law is practically unenforced in the usa and in the eu.Nov 26 18:09
MinceRthe world is getting planned economy back, but this time it's going to be ruled by megacorporations like microsoft.Nov 26 18:10
oiaohmdo check out newer UEFI x86 motherboards more carefully you will notice all of them include PK and KEK control options.Nov 26 18:10
MinceRfor how long?Nov 26 18:11
oiaohmYes secureboot option gone, but the import key control given to end users.Nov 26 18:11
oiaohmMost likely for even.Nov 26 18:11
MinceRhow does import work?Nov 26 18:11
MinceRdo i type in the key, or insert a storage device with it?Nov 26 18:11
MinceRor i have to boot something that manipulates it?Nov 26 18:11
oiaohminsert on storage device because it too long to type in.Nov 26 18:12
oiaohmTo be correct key insert and delete control given to users.Nov 26 18:12
MinceRdoes it have to be exfat or can it be ordinary fat?Nov 26 18:12
oiaohmHas to be fatNov 26 18:13
oiaohmexfat is not exceptable.Nov 26 18:13
MinceRwowNov 26 18:13
MinceRthey're seriously missing some opportunities to screw the user hereNov 26 18:13
oiaohmfat has been defined as UEFI file system.Nov 26 18:13
MinceRyeah, intel pretends uefi is not a m$ "technology"Nov 26 18:13
MinceRyet it insists on FAT and PENov 26 18:13
oiaohmNot exactly.Nov 26 18:19
oiaohmFAT was choosen because OS X,  Linux, BSD, Windows can read/write that file system perfectly fine.   Yes the reason why exfat is not acceptable is not all OS can process it.Nov 26 18:20
oiaohmPE intel looked the wine project and saw the elf-pe wrapper.Nov 26 18:20
oiaohmMinceR: the one that is so far Microsoft its annoying is the cab file to update firmware.Nov 26 18:21
MinceRspeaking of the alleged enforcement of alleged competition laws, were any computers ever sold with winblows xp n edition preinstalled?Nov 26 18:21
MinceRanywhere at allNov 26 18:21
MinceRor even offered for saleNov 26 18:21
MinceRoiaohm: you mean the only thing that annoys _you_Nov 26 18:21
MinceRi'm annoyed by being forced to build my system on quicksandNov 26 18:22
MinceR(shitty m$ "technologies")Nov 26 18:22
MinceRand no, wine is not a good excuseNov 26 18:22
MinceRthose are just excuses to favor the formats of the company that refuses to be compatible with anybody: microsoft.Nov 26 18:23
oiaohmhttps://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh973604%28v=vs.85%29.aspxNov 26 18:23
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oiaohmMinceR: exactly why do I have to use a cab instead of zip file.Nov 26 18:23
MinceRbecause everything has to be m$Nov 26 18:23
MinceRin the m$ worldNov 26 18:23
oiaohmMinceR: the efi files come back individually signed.Nov 26 18:23
MinceRwhere the governments of the world hand all the market to m$ (maybe playing an act of giving a bit to crApple, as the token "competition")Nov 26 18:24
MinceRthis is not a free marketNov 26 18:24
MinceRthis is not a market economyNov 26 18:24
MinceRthis is not "capitalism"Nov 26 18:24
oiaohmMinceR: remember if Microsoft was not using EFI getting motherboards supporting EFI would not have happened either.Nov 26 18:30
MinceRwell, it's their train wreckNov 26 18:31
oiaohmODM have done horible things like broken ACPI and so on.Nov 26 18:31
MinceRand uefiNov 26 18:31
MinceRand tpmNov 26 18:31
MinceRand intel boot guardNov 26 18:31
oiaohmUEFI from start include the idea person would install more than 1 OS.Nov 26 18:31
MinceRyeah, rightNov 26 18:31
oiaohmIt does.Nov 26 18:31
MinceRi'm sure that's what m$' lawyers tell the courtNov 26 18:31
oiaohmNoNov 26 18:31
oiaohmThis is not MS Lawyers.Nov 26 18:31
MinceR"you can install any OS you want, as long as it's windows"Nov 26 18:32
cubexyzno BIOS source, no control of your own machine, it's that simpleNov 26 18:32
MinceRit's worse than biosNov 26 18:33
MinceRespecially bios versions before the war on the general purpose computer beganNov 26 18:33
MinceRfree enterprise... for the oligarchs and their friendsNov 26 18:34
MinceRslavery for everyone elseNov 26 18:34
cubexyzthe only exception would be computers that predate BIOS like PDP-11Nov 26 18:36
cubexyzor a computer you built yourself from relays or TTL chipsNov 26 18:36
cubexyzactually the older the BIOS the easier it is to understandNov 26 18:40
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schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smqGA5wdoeANov 26 18:49
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cubexyzI've talked to AMI about orphan motherboardsNov 26 18:51
cubexyzmotherboards where the manufacturer is no longer in businessNov 26 18:52
cubexyzthey wanted $10K+ for the source codeNov 26 18:52
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cubexyzMinceR, hopefully the DOJ or Europeans will do another anti-trust case against Microsoft if things get worseNov 26 18:57
MinceRthey never took such cases seriouslyNov 26 18:58
MinceRthe EU valiantly forced m$ to offer versions of winblows without ie or media player... only as boxed versions (no preloads), for the same priceNov 26 18:58
MinceRand practically nobody knew about itNov 26 18:58
MinceRthe EU valiantly forced m$ to allow users to choose a browser to install and useNov 26 18:59
MinceRthen m$ forced ie ("edge") as default in vista10Nov 26 18:59
MinceRand the EU said nothing about thatNov 26 18:59
MinceRm$ was never seriously punishedNov 26 18:59
MinceRpractically no laptops are sold without winblows preinstalled in hungaryNov 26 18:59
cubexyzchromebooks...?Nov 26 18:59
MinceRthere are 2 chromebook models offeredNov 26 19:00
cubexyzthe web browser selection thing was in win7 and win8?Nov 26 19:02
MinceRnot sureNov 26 19:02
cubexyzlooks like all that is expired nowNov 26 19:02
MinceRof courseNov 26 19:02
MinceRm$ is above the lawNov 26 19:02
schestowitznot anymoreNov 26 19:04
schestowitzMS lost some of its political powerNov 26 19:04
cubexyzso basically you are saying except for 2 chromebooks you can't avoid the windows tax on laptopsNov 26 19:04
schestowitzrelative to other companiesNov 26 19:04
cubexyzassuming you don't want OS XNov 26 19:05
schestowitzdepends where you buyNov 26 19:05
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cubexyzpretty sure I can order more than 2 chromebooks online... checking nowNov 26 19:06
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MinceRnot sureNov 26 19:07
MinceRi could buy a dHell nSeries onceNov 26 19:07
MinceRwith FreeDOSNov 26 19:07
MinceRbut it was garbage, with practically no warrantyNov 26 19:07
MinceRnobody would sell an EeePC without winblowsNov 26 19:07
MinceRnobody would sell a ThinkPad without winblowsNov 26 19:07
cubexyzis the windows EEEPC the same price as the Linux EEEPC?Nov 26 19:07
MinceRdunnoNov 26 19:08
MinceRiirc the hw configuration was also differentNov 26 19:08
cubexyzif so, it's just an inconvenienceNov 26 19:08
MinceRno, not reallyNov 26 19:08
MinceRthey hand m$ the tax they rob from meNov 26 19:08
MinceRwhich m$ in turn uses to destroy more of my rightsNov 26 19:08
cubexyzok, we did talk about Pitop and NovenaNov 26 19:09
cubexyzso it's worth it to check on those periodicallyNov 26 19:09
cubexyzit seems these things take a lot timeNov 26 19:10
MinceRpitop and novena are obviously unavailable in hungaryNov 26 19:10
cubexyzright, we don't want to give M$ any moneyNov 26 19:11
MinceRbut EeePCs were designed to run gnu/linux and they still weren't sold without winblowsNov 26 19:11
MinceRthough that could be because this country is a total shithole, filled with retarded savagesNov 26 19:11
cubexyzlooks like pitop will be about $300Nov 26 19:21
cubexyzpower consumption is an amazing 3 wattsNov 26 19:22
cubexyzyou can get a linux EEEPC on ebay for $100Nov 26 19:27
MinceRand i can let the hungarian post steal/lose the package at no extra costNov 26 19:28
MinceRor i can have a courier service deliver it for $100, if i'm luckyNov 26 19:28
cubexyzpitop-OS is based on raspbian wheezyNov 26 19:31
cubexyzat least it won't have systemd on it :)Nov 26 19:31
schestowitz"Is this better than Ubuntu Studio?"Nov 26 19:51
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670167875672530944https://twitter.com/bounder/status/670171719240429568Nov 27 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6Nov 27 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #ukNov 27 04:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670167875672530944 https://twitter.com/bounder/status/670171719240429568Nov 27 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Tuned I stay ! https://t.co/DbXmJFNjKoNov 27 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Some very important stuff about #epo to come out today (before noon). Stay tuned....Nov 27 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6Nov 27 04:38
joeleksteinHello TimeofIndia,  Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss.  The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http://digg.coNov 27 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/12/2014: Greg Kroah-Hartman Interview, Fedora 21 Imminent | TechrightsNov 27 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fukitol.com | www.fukitol.comNov 27 04:40
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r_schestowitz[09:38] <joelekstein> Hello TimeofIndia,  Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss.  The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http://Nov 27 05:46
r_schestowitzdigg.coNov 27 05:46
r_schestowitzseems like spamNov 27 05:46
-mquin-[Global Notice] We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. Nov 27 06:04
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r_schestowitz> Another week has passed.  Any word from FSF or, more importantly, fromNov 27 07:13
r_schestowitz> Red Hat?Nov 27 07:13
r_schestowitzyes, I was going to write about it today, but 2 hours just wasted blocking effective DDOS attack from Baidu, so might not have time...Nov 27 07:13
r_schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909Nov 27 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu Stages De Facto DDOS Attacks | Tux MachinesNov 27 07:13
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oiaohmr_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this.Nov 27 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red HatNov 27 07:23
oiaohmr_schestowitz: --Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property.--Nov 27 07:24
oiaohmr_schestowitz: the redhat/Microsoft deal is nothing more than a limited cease fire.Nov 27 07:24
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