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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 22 04:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Running a mainline kernel on a cellphone | Nov 22 04:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/b4sIvmsDph (lwn.net) | Nov 22 04:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Running a mainline kernel on a cellphone [LWN.net] | Nov 22 04:33 | |
| msb_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V15rnpZ_hV4 | Nov 22 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Cats invade G20 summit stage in feline security breach - YouTube | Nov 22 05:34 | |
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| msb__ | Ukrainian Nazis blew up powerlines supplying Crimea: https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/ | Nov 22 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up — RT News | Nov 22 06:44 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: particularly bad time to be down in power thinking they are entering their winter. | Nov 22 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | msb__: off topic here | Nov 22 06:54 |
| msb__ | Antiaircraft systems sold to ISIL from Ukraine, shipped to Syria: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/151119203924350.html | Nov 22 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Kuwait says it busted international ISIL support cell - Al Jazeera English | Nov 22 06:54 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: off topic here | Nov 22 06:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 08:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Tux Machines | Nov 22 08:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 08:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Tos6ubOy3M (www.itwire.com) | Nov 22 08:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 08:12 | |
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| schestowitz | > x http://time.com/4121798/microsoft-lumia-950-review/ | Nov 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > "M$ Most __ Evar" formula | Nov 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | > There is a hell of a lot of M$ spam in all the mainstream media the last | Nov 22 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com | Microsoft Lumia 950 Windows 10 Phone Review | Nov 22 08:50 | |
| schestowitz | > few days. | Nov 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | yes, I think that the best approach is to ignore these. I'm too busy with urgent EPO things to rebut Microsoft crap at the moment, unless it's something severe and anti-Linux. | Nov 22 08:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422378410541056 https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422379412963329 | Nov 22 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Dr. Roy Schestowitz @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fio... https://t.co/HryVAy6nl7 #GOP | Nov 22 08:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQa | Nov 22 08:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Privacy Now! @All4Privacy: RT @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (... https://t.co/cM8mGnbmzl #GOP | Nov 22 08:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQa | Nov 22 08:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by All4Privacy) | Nov 22 08:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zaurav/status/668426463985704961 | Nov 22 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zaurav: @schestowitz no it’s not. And the text that distinguishes it as an ad is place AFTER the ad so you read it like a tweet. Hoodwinking. | Nov 22 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | twitter is spammed with ads now | Nov 22 08:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeScots45/status/668426743078912000 | Nov 22 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeScots45: mass surveillance is not about catching terrorists, it's about controlling the masses with terrorism as the excuse https://t.co/sxCx54T03v | Nov 22 08:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. mass surveillance has not thwarted a single large scale terrorist attack and blame is on @Snowden https://t.co/GJ41iB3B4a | Nov 22 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433074338865152 https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433647641456640 | Nov 22 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz "...has a duty of care... must protect our employees, independently of... status." In some country this is "faccia di merda". | Nov 22 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @ghabuntu @schestowitz apparently they don't know that there are other "families" in the world. Good ones, forget about it... | Nov 22 09:21 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668439784919015424 | Nov 22 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz we need status net back! | Nov 22 09:45 | |
| schestowitz | indeed, but well overdue, there's gnu social | Nov 22 09:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440468280238080 | Nov 22 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz gnud point ;0) | Nov 22 09:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440652582141952 | Nov 22 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz That was a very poor pun. Nude point? Good point! | Nov 22 09:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668444864011304960 | Nov 22 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7p | Nov 22 10:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7p | Nov 22 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks for enlightening me | Nov 22 10:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445264194048000 | Nov 22 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz no problem; I enjoy your work. | Nov 22 10:05 | |
| schestowitz | Was it IRA? Which year? | Nov 22 10:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445721465520128 | Nov 22 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz that was al-Qaeda, same day as the subway attacks, which overshadowed it, IIRC | Nov 22 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/november/lin-anonymous-isis-111815.html http://www.businessinsider.com.au/anonymous-war-isis-gripes-2015-11 | Nov 22 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.stanford.edu | Stanford cybersecurity expert Herb Lin analyzes Anonymous' hacking attacks on ISIS [ http://ur1.ca/ob37p ] | Nov 22 10:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com.au | Some Anonymous members are complaining about the 'war' on ISIS | Business Insider | Nov 22 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/668450089355059200 | Nov 22 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pinguinpatje: We don't need Fox, we have "our" government... https://t.co/50lnt0b87o | Nov 22 10:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #newscorp Fox 'news' uses #parisAttacks to promote radical right wingers https://t.co/sayKoMSF3U | Nov 22 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/668450300819316737 | Nov 22 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz IRA? Al-Qaeda? | Nov 22 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | yes, someone pointed this out to me | Nov 22 10:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668451897330667520 | Nov 22 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Also, with due respect (as I share your distaste for pervasive 'domestic' surveillance, and favor freedom of information)... | Nov 22 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256 | Nov 22 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz ... there is considerable evidence of IRGC/Hezbollah presence in SA, including their involvement in the attack on the Israeli.. | Nov 22 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256 | Nov 22 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Argentina is said to have that, as well as many 'good' or 'reformed' Nazis http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thehistoryofargentina/a/Why-Did-Argentina-Accept-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-World-War-Two.htm | Nov 22 10:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latinamericanhistory.about.com | Why Did Argentina Accept Nazi War Criminals After WWII? | Nov 22 10:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF | Nov 22 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Nov 22 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 11:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Tux Machines | Nov 22 11:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x | Nov 22 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Nov 22 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3PNI9pUtle (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 11:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Tux Machines | Nov 22 11:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF | Nov 22 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Nov 22 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @speedytux https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 13:49 |
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| cubexyz | interesting points about Unix v6: | Nov 22 14:50 |
| cubexyz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060616172103795 | Nov 22 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - UNIX Methods and Concepts: Putting the Genie Back in the Bottle, by Salus & Toomey | Nov 22 14:50 | |
| cubexyz | there's another interesting story there... | Nov 22 14:58 |
| cubexyz | everything up to v7 is totally out in the open | Nov 22 14:58 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @JimmyCoyoteLoco followed @tuxmachines | Nov 22 14:58 | |
| cubexyz | but v8, v9 and v10 is not | Nov 22 14:58 |
| cubexyz | I have no idea why not, but it's not | Nov 22 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Three Cool Features Nice to Have When | Nov 22 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 22 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n58vLIKFQM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Tux Machines | Nov 22 14:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Nov 22 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BiM6xTNqkQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 14:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Tux Machines | Nov 22 14:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 22 15:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qD6LgcCgqZ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 15:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Tux Machines | Nov 22 15:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other | Nov 22 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Releases https://t.co/sGICbM3De3 | Nov 22 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other New Releases | Tux Machines | Nov 22 15:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME, KDE Leftovers https://t.co/mntIBQUobS | Nov 22 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME, KDE Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 22 15:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting...' | Nov 22 15:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week...' | Nov 22 16:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 22 16:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/iFKf9FQtfv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 16:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 22 16:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Nov 22 16:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EyneE360ib (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 16:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Tux Machines | Nov 22 16:07 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: thanks for the memory of groklaw | Nov 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | no chance of it coming back, I guess | Nov 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | webbink ran it for a while | Nov 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | he's with red hat now | Nov 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's partner standstill buddies | Nov 22 17:28 |
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| msb__ | Groklaw is still there, it just hasn't been updated in two years. | Nov 22 17:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Nov 22 17:43 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: But your sites have pretty much taken over the same function (and more). | Nov 22 17:43 |
| msb__ | Perhaps microshit has learned to hide and shred more effectively than they did before (e.g., the Comes case). | Nov 22 17:46 |
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| oiaohm | I would not say Microsoft has got better at hidding the facts. | Nov 22 17:51 |
| MinceR | people have gotten worse at caring, though | Nov 22 17:52 |
| MinceR | i didn't see a lot of outrage about the botnettier, spywarey-er vista10 | Nov 22 17:53 |
| oiaohm | Not that either. If people cared about security XP would not have sold. | Nov 22 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Since Windows 10 screw up lot of governement have annonced plans to migrate to open source. | Nov 22 17:55 |
| oiaohm | So there has been some document evidence of outrage. | Nov 22 17:56 |
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| cubexyz | if what I see on the Microsoft forums is any indication people are definitely jumping ship | Nov 22 19:01 |
| schestowitz | employees too | Nov 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz | if they can | Nov 22 19:02 |
| MinceR | and crApple made closed, dumbed-down systems hip | Nov 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | unless they get fired, too | Nov 22 19:03 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks, apple stuff, bsd, linux, etc | Nov 22 19:03 |
| cubexyz | yes, well lots of room for improvement still :) | Nov 22 19:03 |
| MinceR | and humanity is making some more room for improvement | Nov 22 19:03 |
| MinceR | by making things worse | Nov 22 19:03 |
| cubexyz | even the console folks are complaining about Microsoft | Nov 22 19:04 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Psychopathy is part of the human genome. New psychopathic individuals, organizations, and actions will always spring up. From Babylon 5: | Nov 22 19:14 |
| msb__ | Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war... | Nov 22 19:14 |
| msb__ | but not completely. | Nov 22 19:14 |
| msb__ | Delenn: The war is never completely won. | Nov 22 19:14 |
| msb__ | There are always new battles to be fought | Nov 22 19:14 |
| msb__ | against the darkness. | Nov 22 19:14 |
| msb__ | Only the names change. | Nov 22 19:14 |
| MinceR | "I cast Magic Missile at the darkness!" | Nov 22 19:14 |
| MinceR | once humanity exterminates itself, it will no longer be able to fight wars, though | Nov 22 19:15 |
| msb__ | That's your paranoid fantasy. It's not going to happen. | Nov 22 19:15 |
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| msb__ | FOSS _is_ a Magic Missile -- no mass, no cost, infinitely replicable, available to everyone. We're onto a good thing here! | Nov 22 19:19 |
| MinceR | Magic Missiles can only be targeted at creatures, not "the darkness" | Nov 22 19:21 |
| msb__ | I'm not familiar with whatever game you're talking about. I was referring to the general concept. The attack that could come closest to extermination might be an engineered biowar virus. But some people will still be immune, and if you keep a few pounds of Vitamin C around, you will probably be able to beat it. | Nov 22 19:24 |
| MinceR | http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicMissile.htm | Nov 22 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.d20srd.org | Magic Missile :: d20srd.org | Nov 22 19:26 | |
| msb__ | Basically, Magick is accomlishing things simply by being in a conscious frame of mind, and speaking particular words. That describes FOSS! | Nov 22 19:31 |
| msb__ | The words are the source code. | Nov 22 19:32 |
| msb__ | It's very powerful. We just have to keep it under control to avoid things like Skynet or the Krell machine. | Nov 22 19:33 |
| msb__ | Or nanotech grey goo. | Nov 22 19:34 |
| msb__ | Or Colossus the Forbin Project. This is where sci-fi is very important. There has been a lot of thought put into these things. Asimov wrote a whole book of stories about robots that found ways to circumvent his Three Laws. | Nov 22 19:38 |
| msb__ | Rule #1: Do NOT put nuclear weapons under control by autonomous AIs. | Nov 22 19:41 |
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| msb__ | Good Lord! Colossus had discrete transistor electronics and used punched paper tape! | Nov 22 20:00 |
| msb__ | Rule #2: Do not let locatedb run if some of your disks aren't mounted. | Nov 22 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Nov 22 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mO87Gi3L1H (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 20:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:02 | |
| msb__ | Oh, and Nixie tubes! | Nov 22 20:03 |
| msb__ | Rule #3: If a computer has Nixie tube readouts, don't think it's too stupid to be dangerous. Somebody had a lot of money to throw around. | Nov 22 20:05 |
| msb__ | Rule #4: Don't give good software negative names like "The GIMP". | Nov 22 20:07 |
| msb__ | ...You could piss it off and it could turn against you. | Nov 22 20:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 22 20:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 22 20:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 22 20:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some Android users face quandry with USB-C | Nov 22 20:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Some Android users face quandry with USB-C | Nov 22 20:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "But a task often involves launching several | Nov 22 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | applications." https://t.co/liLfm2MmQ4 | Nov 22 20:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Apps and tools every Android power user should | Nov 22 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have on their device #3 https://t.co/fkY3lu48qt | Nov 22 20:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Apps and tools every Android power user should have on their device #3 | Nov 22 20:25 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Nov 23 03:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Harald, Jonathan Riddell, and new #muon for | Nov 23 03:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | (apachelog.wordpress.com) great stuff. #freesw | Nov 23 03:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Nov 23 03:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apachelog.wordpress.com | Muon 5.5 and Carrots | やった | Nov 23 03:57 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: seems as though RMS hardly even knew/kept up with the MS-Red Hat deal. | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman wrote on 23/11/15 02:09: | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > > To put it concisely, Red Hat signed a deal with Microsoft which not only | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > > involved technical work but also what they call patent "standstill". | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > In concrete terms, what did they agree to do? | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | It is effectively a technical collaboration which also involves a ceasefire regarding patents. | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > It is impossible to discuss whether it is good or bad | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > until we know what it _is_. | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | We know too little about the patent aspects. | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > > wording | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > > in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency, so one | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > > cannot verify these claims. | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | > You seem to be talking about text I have not seen. | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | I will quote the relevant part for you: | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | ___________________________________________ | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | 4. Does the new partnership address patents? | Nov 23 03:58 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and Microsoft have agreed to a limited patent arrangement in connection with the commercial partnership for the benefit of mutual customers. | Nov 23 03:59 |
| schestowitz | The heart of the arrangement is a patent standstill that provides that neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering. Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property. | Nov 23 03:59 |
| schestowitz | The partnership is between commercial companies related to their common customer offerings, spurred by customer demand. Both parties carefully designed for FOSS licensing compliance in building the arrangement and each party’s relationship to the FOSS community stands on its own. | Nov 23 03:59 |
| schestowitz | _____________________________________________ | Nov 23 03:59 |
| schestowitz | Source: http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership | Nov 23 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 23 03:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 23 04:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 23 04:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available for | Nov 23 04:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Nov 23 05:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | phone to go for https://t.co/8CTM3nCJwL | Nov 23 05:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Nov 23 05:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, | Nov 23 05:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 05:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448273411936 | Nov 23 06:01 |
| schestowitz | " It is never a good idea to post something anonymously, even under the present circumstances, because it can be easily disregarded. The President has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities, so the only remedy is to use one's own name, which I intend to do. After all it is not bringing the Office into disrepute, it is simply expressing concern, and it is an internal communication to one's own AC member, | Nov 23 06:01 |
| schestowitz | so I fail to see how it could give rise to any disciplinary measure. Anyway, if enough people do it there is safety in numbers." | Nov 23 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September | Nov 23 06:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Nov 23 06:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma | Nov 23 06:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Tux Machines | Nov 23 06:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship | Nov 23 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone to go for https://t.co/0YlYNGQLsI | Nov 23 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (tech.firstpost.com) | Nov 23 06:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for - Tech2 | Nov 23 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668755265894903808 | Nov 23 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Go ahead #Battistelli, show the World what you really are ! https://t.co/h62ZmZ9vnC | Nov 23 06:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #EPO President #Battistelli Now Intimidates Even National Delegations https://t.co/vYij2NtnJg https://t.co/CMIUWvePoB | Nov 23 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756071289368576 | Nov 23 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! | Nov 23 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756153359278080 | Nov 23 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! https://t.co/bpmTKcwfph | Nov 23 06:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #epo #battistelli "has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities" https://t.co/7b6QlG7X2W | Nov 23 06:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Nov 23 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rnOLcJ89cH (fossforce.com) | Nov 23 06:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | FOSS Force | Nov 23 06:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, | Nov 23 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9Lw9zSbf3L (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 06:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 06:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Nov 23 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QTY9araawi (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 06:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 06:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Around the world with Fedora Planet | Nov 23 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7tj2yj4JG0 | Nov 23 06:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/around-world-fedora-planet/ ) | Nov 23 06:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in | Nov 23 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta, Designed for Containerized Apps | Nov 23 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oChKVISsCb (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 06:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in Beta, Designed for Containerized Apps | Nov 23 06:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the | Nov 23 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ultimate Pro Audio Distro | Nov 23 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RY5TciB2nm (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 06:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the Ultimate Pro Audio Distro | Nov 23 06:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Nov 23 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DgLAWRk3YO (dnf.baseurl.org) | Nov 23 06:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | DNF | Nov 23 06:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma | Nov 23 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KXzG17e14N (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 07:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 07:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC | Nov 23 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8JYfMLIz07 (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 07:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 07:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Nov 23 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AqpyGvIAaC | Nov 23 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.martin-graesslin.com) | Nov 23 07:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Martin's Blog | Nov 23 07:05 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/668762489065250817 | Nov 23 07:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Do you have any information about Astra-Linux and AltLinux? | Nov 23 07:09 | |
| schestowitz | Not recent | Nov 23 07:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6844510 | Nov 23 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Proprietary software described as "safe" http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/truecrypt-is-safer-than-previously-reported-detailed-analysis-concludes/ but you cannot quite check the code to verify this | Nov 23 07:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | TrueCrypt is safer than previously reported, detailed analysis concludes | Ars Technica | Nov 23 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | "Fraunhofer Institute just sullied their reputation by endorsing non free software for it’s least fit purpose. Might as well endorse patent medicine." | Nov 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | "Much more interesting, whats about Vera-Crypt?" | Nov 23 07:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6841067 | Nov 23 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Promoting #freespeech and #freesw is ""harming state security" in #syria apparently... punishment? Death. http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2015/11/13/urgent-reports-.html | Nov 23 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | "This article is pretty comprehensive and has links to sources. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/46265 No mention of “harming state security” but that seems like a minor detail. | Nov 23 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joi.ito.com | Urgent: Reports that Bassel Khartabil has been sentenced to death - Joi Ito's Web | Nov 23 07:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative Commons | Nov 23 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | I will try to keep an eye open for any updates on this... at first I just assumed these reports mean he's likely already dead. | Nov 23 07:20 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/ part of the truecrypt audit group is to fix the license problems. | Nov 23 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-istruecryptauditedyet.com | Is TrueCrypt Audited Yet? | Nov 23 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they need to show the source | Nov 23 07:24 |
| schestowitz | not make secret audits | Nov 23 07:24 |
| schestowitz | (IMHO) | Nov 23 07:24 |
| oiaohm | 7.1a source code is on github. | Nov 23 07:24 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/AuditProject | Nov 23 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | AuditProject (OpenCryptoAudit.org) · GitHub | Nov 23 07:27 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/TrueCrypt_Phase_II_NCC_OCAP_final.pdf the report on what they found. | Nov 23 07:27 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so its not a secret audit. | Nov 23 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Now checking the source and fixing licensing faults before the flaws in truecrypt can truly be fixed. | Nov 23 07:28 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: even so the final report on truecrypt 7.1a is was highly interesting. | Nov 23 07:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment | Nov 23 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | forms https://t.co/d6DkdL1tfr | Nov 23 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (joinup.ec.europa.eu) | Nov 23 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Joinup | Nov 23 08:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by | Nov 23 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default https://t.co/TSJ3TYRHt5 | Nov 23 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Nov 23 08:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Spiraling head first into open source | Nov 23 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OAEMnjJvGf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Spiraling head first into open source | Tux Machines | Nov 23 08:05 | |
| schestowitz | > "Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent | Nov 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | > people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups" | Nov 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ | Nov 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | > Little fascists... | Nov 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | yes, saw that yesterday. The censors are winning by indoctrination, as they do with surveillance and copyright. | Nov 23 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pewresearch.org | 40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities | Pew Research Center | Nov 23 08:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6845764 | Nov 23 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-now-comes-with-a-twitter-scope-by-default-496564.shtml | Nov 23 08:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Auch deswegen meide ich Ubuntu." | Nov 23 08:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old | Nov 23 08:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Nov 23 08:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Tux Machines | Nov 23 08:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by | Nov 23 08:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Tux Machines | Nov 23 08:49 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks followed @tuxmachines | Nov 23 08:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gotta Badge ‘Em All: Introduction to Fedora | Nov 23 08:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Badges https://t.co/xL1hTOoolq | Nov 23 08:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Body Computing System continuations | Nov 23 08:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatthefuck.computer | Body Computing System continuations - Computer :( | Nov 23 08:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenStack Liberty and Debian | Nov 23 08:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rhDTbFAydT (thomas.goirand.fr) | Nov 23 08:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomas.goirand.fr | OpenStack Liberty and Debian – Zigo's blog | Nov 23 08:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone | Nov 23 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With 3GB RAM Launched https://t.co/vBRQ27jHOZ | Nov 23 09:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone With 3GB RAM Launched | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Nov 23 09:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/dQmKJbR9o9 | Nov 23 09:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 23 09:31 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...' | Nov 23 09:31 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...' | Nov 23 09:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...' | Nov 23 09:31 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the...' | Nov 23 09:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3,...' | Nov 23 09:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0...' | Nov 23 09:32 | |
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| amonobeax | Hey guys is the techrights.org down for someone else? | Nov 23 10:13 |
| MinceR | it's down for me | Nov 23 10:14 |
| amonobeax | okay, just checking thanks | Nov 23 10:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/23/paint_drying_movie/ | Nov 23 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Brit filmmaker plans 10hr+ Paint Drying epic • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/obaoh ] | Nov 23 10:41 | |
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| amonobeax | wow, techrights.org is really really slow | Nov 23 11:00 |
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| cubexyz | maybe it's a DOS attack | Nov 23 11:02 |
| cubexyz | ruffle the wrong feathers and... | Nov 23 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/668837423879749632 | Nov 23 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz lol Damn it Jim, I'm a user, not a consumer | Nov 23 12:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Nov 23 15:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 15:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Nov 23 15:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Tux Machines | Nov 23 15:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced | Nov 23 15:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Users https://t.co/dutwcmkKkP | Nov 23 15:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced Linux Users | Tux Machines | Nov 23 15:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice | Nov 23 15:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/qZkXPjLdtv | Nov 23 15:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 15:03 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cronostech.no-ip.org | If You’re So Smar... | Nov 23 16:50 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668920186028875776 | Nov 23 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz Great desktop environment. | Nov 23 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/668921853520515072 | Nov 23 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/8UZQ5Sk0P1 | Nov 23 17:46 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/UbuntuTopNews/status/668936703113990147 | Nov 23 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXS | Nov 23 18:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gettopical.com | Topical | Nov 23 18:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXS | Nov 23 18:41 | |
| msb__ | https://www.rt.com/shows/documentary/313429-internet-hacker-fbi-corporations/ | Nov 23 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | The hacker wars RT — Documentary [ http://ur1.ca/obc90 ] | Nov 23 18:45 | |
| MinceR | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html | Nov 23 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | hacker | Nov 23 18:48 | |
| msb__ | Yes, MinceR, we know. | Nov 23 18:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/668945402390016004 | Nov 23 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz It's fun to pick and choose which "facts" we verify. | Nov 23 19:19 | |
| msb__ | RT just ran a story about a referendum in Ohio to legalize Cannabis. Reliable polls showed it passing by 53%, but the electronic voting machines were observed switching votes and it lost by a 2 to 1 ratio. | Nov 23 19:31 |
| msb__ | The rulers know that psychedelics help people see through the rulers' lies. | Nov 23 19:32 |
| MinceR | sounds like not only the usa needs them, then | Nov 23 19:33 |
| msb__ | Sure, all the Western governments that are US allies, and all the people robotized by Islam. | Nov 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/668950629373603840 | Nov 23 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway https://t.co/GWBO2E3wKq | Nov 23 19:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP Article 14.17 & Free Software: No Harm, No Foul https://t.co/9PwzVIIKxJ #freesw cc @glynmoody | Nov 23 19:35 | |
| MinceR | sure, only those have lying rulers | Nov 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/668951464639913984 | Nov 23 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Ho ho ho :D | Nov 23 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/668953862934544384 | Nov 23 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Happy Birthday, #GIMP!!! #freesw #opensource https://t.co/QhwrmdofxU | Nov 23 19:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GIMP , the free open source Photoshop alternative, turns 20 https://t.co/1wJKVQV76U https://t.co/4CZ7SX1iQy great #freesw | Nov 23 19:54 | |
| MinceR | http://cheezburger.com/8587952384/study-of-the-day-pew-research-shows-40-percent-of-millennials-would-censor-offensive-speech | Nov 23 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Study of The Day: Pew Research Shows 40 Percent of Millennials Would Censor Offensive Speech - Cheezburger | Nov 23 20:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second | Nov 23 21:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Linux 4.4 RC https://t.co/R9d5yxhyO7 | Nov 23 21:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @The_Code_Shirts (techrights.org) | Nov 23 21:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second Linux 4.4 RC | Techrights | Nov 23 21:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Netrunner 17 released https://t.co/i18q6eHbpb | Nov 23 21:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 21:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obek1 | Nov 23 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Netrunner 17 released | Tux Machines | Nov 23 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/34oAVo6jFB | Nov 23 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 23 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux: Kernel, Graphics https://t.co/8ZpnnT1GLS | Nov 23 21:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 21:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 23 21:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/oQiwGTdRym | Nov 23 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obelm | Nov 23 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 23 21:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually | Nov 23 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Impaired Users https://t.co/bkE2EhT29B | Nov 23 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obfvi | Nov 23 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Tux Machines | Nov 23 22:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Devs to Concentrate More on the...' | Nov 23 22:55 | |
| schestowitz | >> > German-to-English translation needed | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | >> > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europaeisches-Patentamt-setzt-Gewerkschaftsspitze-vor-die-Tuer-3015171.html | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | >> > techrights too cited | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heise.de | Europäisches Patentamt setzt Gewerkschaftsspitze vor die Tür | heise online | Nov 24 02:41 | |
| schestowitz | > There you go. Techrights isn't actually cited in this article, the | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | > reference I could see is below, w.r.t. Microsoft. | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Excellent, thank you so much! | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | There is a link in the article to the letter from Hardon, which complains about BB's harassment. It's a link to Techrights. I shall publish this now and again, thank you so much! | Nov 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448353460399 | Nov 24 04:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 04:03 |
| schestowitz | I am not clear how HvA manages to conclude that: | Nov 24 04:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions | Nov 24 04:03 | |
| schestowitz | 'the EBoA decision Art 23 1/15, which concluded that there was no convincing evidence whatsoever in this respect. Said DG3 member is thus innocent and Lord Schiemmann has been proven to be wrong.' | Nov 24 04:03 |
| schestowitz | I've read the decision and I do not understand the EBA as having reached that conclusion. As I understand it, the EBA didn't come to any conclusion about the innocence of the DG3 member or the findings of the DC, but due to the complete pig's ear the EPO made of presenting the case, ruled it inadmissible. Not nearly the same thing. | Nov 24 04:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 04:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic | Nov 24 05:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | survival game being given away for Linux | Nov 24 05:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LkaKDBqckj (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 05:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obhti | Nov 24 05:27 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game...' | Nov 24 05:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game being given away for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 05:27 | |
| cubexyz | it's stupid criminalizing smoking a plant | Nov 24 05:36 |
| cubexyz | personally I think smoking isn't a good idea for health reasons but criminalizing more and more things just leads to social strife | Nov 24 05:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KJ2UpxGzLd (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 05:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 05:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS recently? https://t.co/deuYc0wE8s | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 05:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & SteamOS recently? | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 05:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Impaired Users https://t.co/CA13yFYj6t | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Nov 24 05:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Nov 24 05:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a ‘Thank You’ | Nov 24 05:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/alRIfBMRQK (fossforce.com) | Nov 24 05:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a 'Thank You' | FOSS Force | Nov 24 05:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Help Fedora test Wayland! | Nov 24 06:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ETq031Wc1W (fedoramagazine.org) | Nov 24 06:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fedoramagazine.org/help-fedora-test-wayland/ ) | Nov 24 06:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to | Nov 24 06:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chapeau 23, Here's How https://t.co/PITm1BnfDc | Nov 24 06:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to Chapeau 23, Here's How | Nov 24 06:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network | Nov 24 06:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Cyber Perils https://t.co/DkGH0plcvi | Nov 24 06:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (billsinsider.com) | Nov 24 06:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billsinsider.com | The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network From Cyber Perils | Nov 24 06:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tumbleweed install for November | Nov 24 06:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6Qd84DwGFn | Nov 24 06:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Tumbleweed install for November | Thoughts on computing | Nov 24 06:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver | Nov 24 06:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bullet https://t.co/gif6MJeauM | Nov 24 06:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.dedoimedo.com) | Nov 24 06:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Nov 24 06:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Nov 24 06:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GLBmIoOj5f (distrowatch.com) | Nov 24 06:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obi5d | Nov 24 06:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Nov 24 06:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on | Nov 24 06:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LXLE https://t.co/G5TCe3snj7 | Nov 24 06:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thelinuxexperiment.com) | Nov 24 06:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelinuxexperiment.com | Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on LXLE | The Linux Experiment | Nov 24 06:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Nov 24 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RoHKOaTSGa | Nov 24 06:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt - Linux notes from DarkDuck | Nov 24 06:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North | Nov 24 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | East's open source development community | Nov 24 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sJiniBl4XF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 06:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North East's open source development community | Tux Machines | Nov 24 06:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6846891 | Nov 24 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights down for 1.5 hours today not because of many readers but because of MASSIVE number of cracking attempts | Nov 24 06:55 | |
| schestowitz | "Yea..." | Nov 24 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux | Nov 24 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BIfI5ioZe5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 06:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Tux Machines | Nov 24 06:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver | Nov 24 06:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bullet https://t.co/YpDYNo928z | Nov 24 06:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6847875 | Nov 24 06:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 06:55 |
| schestowitz | I was a bit hasty to speak about it, seem v0.2.0 should be out around February 2016, but they are likely to have a repo for it then since it should become BodhiLinux default desktop. Right now it’s in GitHub and the Enlightenment bits are not purged yet. | Nov 24 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Should I pm you about it? I will likely try it anyway | Nov 24 06:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Tux Machines | Nov 24 06:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Installing #enlightenment as I have grown tired after 7 months of endless frustration with #kf5 - #plasma5 just not ready. #kde | Nov 24 06:56 | |
| schestowitz | For now I've quit trying Enlightenment because it didn't neatly support my dual head of even get my screen res right... | Nov 24 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Nov 24 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XsLA4CiMcE (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 06:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Tux Machines | Nov 24 06:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Nov 24 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/P4Hu2kVtGO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 07:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Tux Machines | Nov 24 07:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux | Nov 24 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/aaboenpy1p (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 07:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 07:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/6I9AYfVngd | Nov 24 07:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (webconverger.org) | Nov 24 07:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webconverger.org | Webconverger 33 release | Nov 24 07:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to | Nov 24 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Compare Supercomputers https://t.co/0KzEJERFCy | Nov 24 09:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insidehpc.com | New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to Compare Supercomputers - insideHPC | Nov 24 09:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to...' | Nov 24 09:06 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements...' | Nov 24 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6849693 | Nov 24 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "Good luck with that proceeding!" | Nov 24 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "Keep it up! Good luck, and if I recall correctly, isn’t the same EPO who deliver software patent (not applying a technical innovation) despite those not being legal?" | Nov 24 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #epo attempts to silence me with #slapp http://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-threatens-defamatory-blogger-with-legal-action-9243 the latest modus operandi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP | Nov 24 09:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.worldipreview.com | EPO threatens ‘defamatory’ blogger with legal action | Nov 24 09:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 24 09:43 | |
| schestowitz | yes, that was originally my issue with them... before I discovered far more severe issues. | Nov 24 09:43 |
| MinceR | http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-11-23-The-End-Of-Godwins-Law.jpg | Nov 24 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TalesAcrossTime Howl of The Wolf is out! | Nov 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vfz2t17JNQ (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines @Blushingflwr @NovaClass | Nov 24 09:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Howl of The Wolf | Nov 24 09:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 | Nov 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jTFBAzpXLj (techcrunch.com) | Nov 24 09:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 With Improved Android Emulator And New Instant Run Feature | TechCrunch | Nov 24 09:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 | Nov 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Marshmallow Updates https://t.co/7k6NQJs4jo | Nov 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) "on select Android One | Nov 24 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones." | Nov 24 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow Updates – But Only To Android One Phones : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 24 09:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true | Nov 24 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android PC' deliver? https://t.co/QerrN0pKh5 | Nov 24 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techrepublic.com) | Nov 24 10:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true Android PC' deliver? - TechRepublic | Nov 24 10:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Life of Tunir https://t.co/w8qwqj6rQG | Nov 24 10:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Life of Tunir | Nov 24 10:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycle | Nov 24 10:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f (people.debian.org) | Nov 24 10:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_30/ ) | Nov 24 10:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @TecnologiaFree retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycle https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f' | Nov 24 10:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/xDYhh6QjR8 | Nov 24 10:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Webconverger 33 release | Tux Machines | Nov 24 10:10 | |
| schestowitz | WOW! | Nov 24 10:19 |
| schestowitz | WIPR has just taken down the story. | Nov 24 10:19 |
| schestowitz | Did someone make a phonecall or send a nasty letter? | Nov 24 10:19 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't be shocked if BB resorted to this kind or thing... | Nov 24 10:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5 | Nov 24 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tecknocrat | Nov 24 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/669171155333353473 | Nov 24 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat favourited 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5' | Nov 24 11:06 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/23/9784604/dell-ssl-security-problem-xps-inspiron-edellroot | Nov 24 11:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Two Dell laptop models are shipping with a Superfish-style certificate hack | The Verge | Nov 24 11:21 | |
| MinceR | https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html | Nov 24 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | On Hacking - Richard Stallman | Nov 24 11:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp | Nov 24 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LpzVDpUq2e | Nov 24 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (economictimes.indiatimes.com) | Nov 24 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-economictimes.indiatimes.com | Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp - The Economic Times | Nov 24 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK | Nov 24 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Download] https://t.co/WCY3Xz6PQQ | Nov 24 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK Download] | Nov 24 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers | Nov 24 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season | Nov 24 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7q1alCuOp9 (www.fool.com) | Nov 24 13:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season -- The Motley Fool | Nov 24 13:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Last call for FLOCK 2016 bids | Nov 24 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jOKIYaYxgw | Nov 24 13:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/last-call-bids-for-flock-2016/ ) | Nov 24 13:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hamster rediscovered | Nov 24 13:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Nov 24 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NesCTeSMHr (error) | Nov 24 13:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Tux Machines | Nov 24 13:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 13:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Tux Machines | Nov 24 13:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source | Nov 24 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware Projects https://t.co/QJrmNeNRx4 | Nov 24 13:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source Hardware Projects | Tux Machines | Nov 24 13:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software | Nov 24 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hit https://t.co/EZofka9wLY | Nov 24 13:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software Hit | Tux Machines | Nov 24 13:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/bDzEY1smfF | Nov 24 13:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 24 13:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/DFMyrCSyc3 | Nov 24 13:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 24 13:07 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @anthilemoon favourited 'Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to...' | Nov 24 13:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LDfLDzwjfH (www.networkworld.com) | Nov 24 13:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 13:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Nov 24 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fuVP8D3wJv (dnf.baseurl.org) | Nov 24 13:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | DNF | Nov 24 13:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @ekimetrics favourited 'What would the perfect Linux distro look like?...' | Nov 24 13:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry confirms that more Android-powered | Nov 24 13:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones are coming https://t.co/ApDTiQd43m | Nov 24 13:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | BlackBerry confirms that more Android-powered smartphones are coming – Tech2 | Nov 24 13:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google To Donate Up To $1 Million Toward | Nov 24 13:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Education In Android Pay Charity Campaign | Nov 24 13:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PGmPwAAh5T (techcrunch.com) | Nov 24 13:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google To Donate Up To $1 Million Toward Education In Android Pay Charity Campaign | TechCrunch | Nov 24 13:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Operating System Could Get Full Disk | Nov 24 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Encryption Soon https://t.co/tDL0oXTQUY | Nov 24 13:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Operating System Could Get Full Disk Encryption Soon | Nov 24 13:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS Gets First GNOME 3.19 | Nov 24 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Packages for Daily Build | Nov 24 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kLfsY9lmNn (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 13:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS Gets First GNOME 3.19 Packages for Daily Build | Nov 24 13:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Kyri'ay | Nov 24 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Vanderpoel https://t.co/JNXE0YaWH6 | Nov 24 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) | Nov 24 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Kyri'ay Vanderpoel | Linux.com | Nov 24 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xiaomi Mi Pad 2 announced – here are the | Nov 24 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | details https://t.co/jaMlSxqInw | Nov 24 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Nov 24 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Xiaomi Mi Pad 2 announced - here are the details - Android Authority | Nov 24 13:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Operating System Could Get Full Disk Encryption...' | Nov 24 13:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS Gets First GNOME 3.19...' | Nov 24 13:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Becomes Steward of the | Nov 24 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open Networking Summit https://t.co/Kr3om9yeN8 | Nov 24 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | The Linux Foundation Becomes Steward of the Open Networking Summit | Nov 24 14:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa 11.0.6 Has Intel, Radeon, and Nouveau | Nov 24 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Driver Fixes, Mesa 11.1 Gets Its First RC Build | Nov 24 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ptbzYx0Wt8 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mesa 11.0.6 Has Intel, Radeon, and Nouveau Driver Fixes, Mesa 11.1 Gets Its First RC Build | Nov 24 14:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE at USENIX/LISA2015 Conference | Nov 24 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/G8EdXkHiz3 (dot.kde.org) | Nov 24 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | KDE at USENIX/LISA2015 Conference | KDE.news | Nov 24 14:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Mesa 11.0.6 Has Intel, Radeon, and Nouveau Driver...' | Nov 24 14:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Nov 24 14:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vfZNlt2aqQ (www.haveeru.com.mv) | Nov 24 14:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "there is a Linux [open-source] server" | Nov 24 14:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haveeru.com.mv | HaveeruOnline - In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Nov 24 14:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open letter to Jolla community: through the | Nov 24 14:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | tough times https://t.co/cLHLRIPIAN | Nov 24 14:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 14:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open letter to Jolla community: through the tough times | Tux Machines | Nov 24 14:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Software Crimson Driver 15.11 for Linux | Nov 24 14:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is Out and It's the Same as Catalyst | Nov 24 14:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Software Crimson Driver 15.11 for Linux Is Out and It's the Same as Catalyst | Tux Machines | Nov 24 14:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Nov 24 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Tux Machines | Nov 24 14:58 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Radeon Software Crimson Driver 15.11 for Linux Is...' | Nov 24 15:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android-Powered OXY Smartwatch Needs Your Help | Nov 24 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Indiegogo https://t.co/9RfISALNzk | Nov 24 15:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Android-Powered OXY Smartwatch Needs Your Help On Indiegogo | Androidheadlines.com | Nov 24 15:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @nuvaaol favourited 'Android-Powered OXY Smartwatch Needs Your Help On Indiegogo...' | Nov 24 15:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best in Breed Twitter Clients for Linux | Nov 24 15:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EU8EY3qVNU (www.linux.com) | Nov 24 15:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Best in Breed Twitter Clients for Linux | Linux.com | Nov 24 15:21 | |
| msb__ | Hamster rediscovered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qN72LEQnaU | Nov 24 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Hampsterdance Song - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/objxt ] | Nov 24 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 24 15:35 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Nov 24 15:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669256754979540992 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257076271542272 | Nov 24 15:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer Your understanding of patents is inaccurate. Patents are property. Patents give no right to exploitation. @schestowitz | Nov 24 15:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Your beef w/ copyrights is justified, but doesn't support you on patents. Patents last for far less than 20 years @retroDoomer | Nov 24 15:52 | |
| cubexyz | eh? | Nov 24 15:53 |
| cubexyz | patents last 20 years | Nov 24 15:53 |
| schestowitz | The point about persistence after death of owner isn't the main point here; the abstract nature of ideas/work is. | Nov 24 15:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, 20 years from filing | Nov 24 15:54 |
| cubexyz | so technically, yes it is less than 20 years because of that | Nov 24 15:54 |
| schestowitz | yeah, something like that | Nov 24 15:54 |
| schestowitz | depends on the domain | Nov 24 15:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257789169139713 | Nov 24 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Was just responding to you pointing out copyrights last past death. If that wasn't want you meant why say it? @retroDoomer | Nov 24 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | Creating on a monopoly on something does not, in its own right, lead to more creation/creativity | Nov 24 15:55 |
| cubexyz | I've looked into puzzle patents, and one usually can get a patent after filing in about 2 years | Nov 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258129436246017 | Nov 24 15:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Inventions are not abstract. Software is also not abstract either. I'd expect a software engineer to understand that. | Nov 24 15:56 | |
| schestowitz | Software is as abstract as maths | Nov 24 15:56 |
| schestowitz | The software I write is reducible to maths, mostly matrices | Nov 24 15:56 |
| cubexyz | you can also consider an executable file as a number :) | Nov 24 15:56 |
| cubexyz | and one of the first software patents was British | Nov 24 15:59 |
| cubexyz | "A Computer Arranged for the Automatic Solution of Linear Programming Problems" | Nov 24 16:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258690327920641 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258887250518016 | Nov 24 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Software instructs machines and is NOT math. Math is descriptive. Obviously your not a very good software engineer. | Nov 24 16:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math solve the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage. Really. What an ignorant view of software to call it math. | Nov 24 16:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLE | Nov 24 16:00 | |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by "solve the page"? | Nov 24 16:01 |
| cubexyz | well machine code is numbers :) | Nov 24 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Did you ever write a computer program? | Nov 24 16:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes | Nov 24 16:02 |
| schestowitz | but he's a lawyer | Nov 24 16:02 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't even know how his site works | Nov 24 16:02 |
| schestowitz | he's a very influential patent lawyers | Nov 24 16:02 |
| schestowitz | most well known, I think | Nov 24 16:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259797955534848 | Nov 24 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math you have to be able to solve or reduce, which you can't do. I have written code, have you? | Nov 24 16:02 | |
| schestowitz | I can | Nov 24 16:02 |
| schestowitz | You can write your rendering code for your page in numbers | Nov 24 16:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259903945547777 | Nov 24 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Impossible to believe you write code if you don't understand that code instructs a machine and isn't math. How ignorant. | Nov 24 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | Show me code you wrote please... | Nov 24 16:03 |
| cubexyz | I'll give an example in octal: | Nov 24 16:03 |
| cubexyz | 0062457 | Nov 24 16:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260087874187264 | Nov 24 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Great. I look forward to you solving the basic HTML code that makes up https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT. I can't wait for your response. | Nov 24 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | CPU dumb to file while rendering your page | Nov 24 16:04 |
| schestowitz | CPU dump to file while rendering your page | Nov 24 16:04 |
| cubexyz | man, the guy just sounds like he's spoiling for a fight | Nov 24 16:04 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 16:04 |
| schestowitz | it's funny, let's carry on... | Nov 24 16:04 |
| schestowitz | he's shaming himself | Nov 24 16:04 |
| cubexyz | 0062457 is the octal code for running init in old Unix | Nov 24 16:05 |
| cubexyz | part of main.c of the kernel | Nov 24 16:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260270183821313 | Nov 24 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Translating instructions into binary code does not make it math. What does the code represent? Instructions to a machine. | Nov 24 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 16:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260465034420224 | Nov 24 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz God help the people who employ you to write code if you think the code you write is math. Obviously you don't' get it. | Nov 24 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | Show me code you wrote. | Nov 24 16:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260655149600768 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260780144082944 | Nov 24 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Looking forward to your solution to the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage, because if software is math there has to be an answer | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLE | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So you agree that software instructs a machine. Now you just have to figure out what math really is then and your set! | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| schestowitz | I said numbers instruct a machine, you twist what I said | Nov 24 16:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160 | Nov 24 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ... | Nov 24 16:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260925543817216 | Nov 24 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Math describes reality. Software directs reality. Two very different things. | Nov 24 16:07 | |
| schestowitz | Still waiting for you to show me code you wrote (third time I ask for it now, no response) | Nov 24 16:07 |
| cubexyz | if you go back to IBM 701 then I think you had to use machine code | Nov 24 16:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll say that | Nov 24 16:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261240829681666 | Nov 24 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz No. Everyone can read that you said software is math, which it is not. You are wrong, embarrassing yourself to say otherwise. | Nov 24 16:08 | |
| schestowitz | Will you show me code you wrote (fourth time I ask) | Nov 24 16:08 |
| cubexyz | is this Gene Quinn? :) | Nov 24 16:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261553749880832 | Nov 24 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You are the one who ignorantly proclaimed software is math, which clearly it is not. | Nov 24 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes | Nov 24 16:10 |
| schestowitz | he's quite well known | Nov 24 16:10 |
| schestowitz | among all the big companies | Nov 24 16:10 |
| schestowitz | he's like THE lobbyist for software patents | Nov 24 16:10 |
| cubexyz | ok well .... | Nov 24 16:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6851438 | Nov 24 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Says he wrote code, cannot name a single example by name or a link https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261809543733248 #swpats | Nov 24 16:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why do you need to see code I've written? You're wrong. Software is not math. My coding history has nothing to do with that. | Nov 24 16:11 | |
| cubexyz | software pats...that's great for lawyers but bad for everyone else | Nov 24 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | if you want to see that software is maths, open an exe file (I assume you use Windows) using your code [sic] editor | Nov 24 16:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262283667849216 | Nov 24 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz I look forward to your solution of a very simple HTML, PHP webpage. LOL. | Nov 24 16:14 | |
| schestowitz | OK, it's almost bedtime, Gene. Tomorrow we'll learn integration. | Nov 24 16:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262874871775232 | Nov 24 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz What's interesting is that you admitted that software directs a machine and that I was correct. | Nov 24 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263099850043392 | Nov 24 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/VBlVWMpHIU | Nov 24 16:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 16:16 | |
| cubexyz | ok, ask a CS prof | Nov 24 16:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262605966438401 | Nov 24 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the 4th time I've asked why you want to see code and why that matters? Software is not math, period! | Nov 24 16:16 | |
| cubexyz | should be interesting | Nov 24 16:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262502795091972 | Nov 24 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the third time I've asked you why you need to see code I've written? That doesn't change that software isn't math. | Nov 24 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262391289511936 | Nov 24 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So why do you need to see code I've written? You are the one who is ignorantly wrong? | Nov 24 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261448586108928 | Nov 24 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You realize Twitter is 140 characters, right? I have written code. If you don't believe me that is your problem, not mine. | Nov 24 16:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263534900027392 | Nov 24 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why wait to tomorrow to educate yourself about software? If you think it is math your clients have been done a real disservice | Nov 24 16:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864 | Nov 24 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how people who say software is math never can solve or reduce simple HTML code. Probably because software is NOT math. @schestowitz | Nov 24 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | Software is Mathematics http://techrights.org/2011/05/24/software-is-maths/ | Nov 24 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software is Mathematics | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/obk3y ] | Nov 24 16:20 | |
| cubexyz | HTML is a markup language | Nov 24 16:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 16:21 |
| schestowitz | to be interpreted | Nov 24 16:21 |
| schestowitz | but he doesn't know what it means | Nov 24 16:21 |
| schestowitz | can't use big words like -gasp - markup | Nov 24 16:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264616292261893 | Nov 24 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I don't care what you cite to support you. It doesn't change reality that software is NOT math. | Nov 24 16:21 | |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't call it a programming language | Nov 24 16:22 |
| schestowitz | The statement of a closed mind | Nov 24 16:22 |
| cubexyz | ok, write a program to compute pi in HTML :) | Nov 24 16:22 |
| cubexyz | just HTML... nothing else | Nov 24 16:22 |
| cubexyz | M stands for.... markup :) | Nov 24 16:22 |
| cubexyz | the end | Nov 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264735586660354 | Nov 24 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz and if software is math you will be able to solve the IPWatchdog homepage, which we both know you CAN'T do. | Nov 24 16:24 | |
| schestowitz | M stands for markup, it's not code | Nov 24 16:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864 | Nov 24 16:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265020845481984 https://twitter.com/TheRealWolfLine/status/669265164412297217 | Nov 24 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz No. It is the statement of one who is actually correct. You can't solve software and that seems to frustrate you. LOL | Nov 24 16:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealWolfLine: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz All "ideas" were at one point "abstract". An "invention" is a process/method/product that solves what is abstract | Nov 24 16:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265179759259648 | Nov 24 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt? | Nov 24 16:25 | |
| cubexyz | this guy is a goof | Nov 24 16:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm showing it | Nov 24 16:26 |
| schestowitz | to people who aren't lawyers | Nov 24 16:26 |
| cubexyz | I would never have a discussion like that in academia | Nov 24 16:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265735714217984 | Nov 24 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Code instructs a machine. You have to know that. You also have to know that math does not instruct, but describes reality. | Nov 24 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | machine reads numbers in sequence to yield output | Nov 24 16:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265888894451712 | Nov 24 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Quite clearly you aren't able to solve a simple webpage, and you have a closed mind that embraces ignorance. | Nov 24 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | A web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignore is quite revealing. | Nov 24 16:27 |
| schestowitz | A web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignorance is quite revealing. | Nov 24 16:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266341212344320 https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669266474423484417 | Nov 24 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Machines read numbers and the numbers are translated from code. So the code instructs the machine. Simple concept really | Nov 24 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I agree they aren't the same but to be fair mark up describes a document and you could do it with math. | Nov 24 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266512734195713 | Nov 24 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Oh, so you can solve an entire program, but not something simple like a webpage. Then solve your program of choice. LOL | Nov 24 16:30 | |
| schestowitz | Sir, a web page is not a program, sorry to disappoint you, but you need CS 101. | Nov 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266584033185792 | Nov 24 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Er Math isn't all about solvability. All code is derived and wrote due to Mathematics. Not all Math is code. | Nov 24 16:30 | |
| cubexyz | if you study the history of CS it did come from the mathematics department | Nov 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266659882987521 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266691319296001 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266823767027712 | Nov 24 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Mathematics is the science of skilful operations with concepts and rules invented just for this purpose. | Nov 24 16:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz You said software is math. So pick any software and solve it. You know you can't. Very revealing. Software is NOT math. | Nov 24 16:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz That quote was from Eugene Wigner. One that stuck with me whilst studying Math and I thought applied to programming | Nov 24 16:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PatentCafe/status/669267071159660549 | Nov 24 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentCafe: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/ipK9o8Rmth… | Nov 24 16:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 16:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267174725390337 | Nov 24 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Let me talk slower... solve ANY program you want and reveal the solution. You can't because software is not math. | Nov 24 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | You need to learn how a computer processor works | Nov 24 16:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267441575424000 | Nov 24 16:33 |
| cubexyz | at the lowest level it is logic gates | Nov 24 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying that things written in PHP and which leverage HTML are not software? What is your definition of software? | Nov 24 16:33 | |
| schestowitz | Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which the CPU processes to yield a solution (output) | Nov 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267778772328449 | Nov 24 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why are you dodging? Can't solve a program huh? That would be because software is not math. LOL | Nov 24 16:35 | |
| schestowitz | You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | You could run a program with pen and paper. People used to use punch cards. | Nov 24 16:35 |
| cubexyz | look up Turing Machine | Nov 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, look up Turing Machine | Nov 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | if he know what it is... | Nov 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1S | Nov 24 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 16:37 | |
| schestowitz | Takes a long time, but doable. Used to be done, e.g. in decryption in WW2, with assistance of primitive machines | Nov 24 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | I see we're making progress here because you finally realise that computer programs do solve mathematical problems | Nov 24 16:38 |
| cubexyz | Recall that the Church-Turing thesis hypothesizes this to be true for any kind of machine: that anything that can be computed can be computed by some Turing machine | Nov 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268841231491072 | Nov 24 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying pen and paper are math too? The punch cards that instructed the machine must be an abstract idea too. LOL | Nov 24 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | Punch cards are the hardware equivalent of today | Nov 24 16:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269049541599234 | Nov 24 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would take so long that the ballistic missile would have evaded in response and then landed. Don't be stupid please. | Nov 24 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | Doing the CPU's job by hand too slow, hence there's impact, hence disaster, hence software not math? Touchdown, lawyers! | Nov 24 16:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269298792239105 | Nov 24 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Computer programs can do math, but doesn't mean the software written to instruct the machine is math, as you suggest. | Nov 24 16:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 16:41 |
| schestowitz | That what used to be done before, with a little studying you'd know that | Nov 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669269740079058944 | Nov 24 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I meant for the original creator to exploit @ipwatchdog @schestowitz | Nov 24 16:42 | |
| cubexyz | ok, the origin of programming came out of symbolic logic | Nov 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669270066874023937 | Nov 24 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog especially when that monopoly actively discourages others from similar ideas. | Nov 24 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | Simultaneous ideas too | Nov 24 16:44 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, really I would ask that question to a CS professor | Nov 24 16:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270233115435010 | Nov 24 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I taught you today that software instructs machines, which you now admit. Now you just need to admit software is not math. | Nov 24 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but he's not | Nov 24 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't expect him to admit he was wrong | Nov 24 16:44 |
| schestowitz | but I can make him think | Nov 24 16:44 |
| schestowitz | it's like telling theists that God doesn't exist | Nov 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | at best you can make them introspect | Nov 24 16:45 |
| cubexyz | ask Donald Knuth :) | Nov 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | and maybe they'll realise that it's true -- it's as real as Santa Claus was | Nov 24 16:45 |
| cubexyz | I think I could argue it both ways really | Nov 24 16:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270441714954242 | Nov 24 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents encourage working around and do not discourage working on similar ideas. Do a patent search and see. | Nov 24 16:45 | |
| cubexyz | you could say that programming follows from symbolic logic, and then say that SL is philosophy | Nov 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Patents on progress bars cannot be worked around... many patents are utter rubbish | Nov 24 16:46 |
| cubexyz | that would put it outside of math | Nov 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270773039763456 | Nov 24 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Still waiting for software solution since software is math, bc if it is math you can solve. Why dodge? Admit you're wrong. | Nov 24 16:46 | |
| cubexyz | but it would be interesting to hear what a CS expert would say | Nov 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz | You already self-refuted | Nov 24 16:46 |
| schestowitz | With your ballistic missile example | Nov 24 16:46 |
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| cubexyz | A lawyer would say one thing, a CS prof another thing, and a math professor a third thing | Nov 24 16:48 |
| cubexyz | you could argue that one all day | Nov 24 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271388255989761 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271395407429632 | Nov 24 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for physical products make sense although in medical areas shouldn't be allowed. | Nov 24 16:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Sorry. Software is'nt math, you just won't admit it but you admitted software instructs. You know math is descriptive, right? | Nov 24 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, maybe I'll move on for now.. | Nov 24 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669270900999659520 | Nov 24 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Mathematics is way broader than numbers.It's a science and is used at least partially to solve almost every problem | Nov 24 16:50 | |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 24 16:50 |
| cubexyz | I would say the same thing :) | Nov 24 16:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269942257262592 | Nov 24 16:50 |
| cubexyz | math > arithmetic but includes it | Nov 24 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Software is not math simply because it isn't. You admitted software instructs machines, which means software is not math. | Nov 24 16:50 | |
| schestowitz | vroken telephone.. | Nov 24 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | like a politicians stuck on their script | Nov 24 16:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1S | Nov 24 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 16:51 | |
| cubexyz | one could argue symbolic reasoning is philosophy though | Nov 24 16:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268228984741889 | Nov 24 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Yes. FINALLY! Software is a series of instructions. Math is NOT a series of instructions, but rather a description. https://t.co/glGY5qUgl3 | Nov 24 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which CPU processes to yield a solution (output) | Nov 24 16:51 | |
| cubexyz | anyways software pats is holding people back, except for lawyers :) | Nov 24 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271700178149376 | Nov 24 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for knowledge of which computing, science, math should not exist nor be allowed. | Nov 24 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271748580388864 | Nov 24 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would love to debate you or anyone else who thinks software is math. Would be great fun to expose your ignorance. | Nov 24 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271832554524672 | Nov 24 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz It gets to the situation of Elsevier where a power hoards information prohibiting advancements. | Nov 24 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272030181761024 | Nov 24 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz But computing is not knowledge. You write code to accomplish a task, and code doesn't write itself. | Nov 24 16:54 | |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, read what Amit Gupta says: | Nov 24 16:54 |
| cubexyz | http://akgupta.ca/blog/2014/07/19/is-math-programming-youre-asking-the-wrong-question-part-1/ | Nov 24 16:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272056882663430 | Nov 24 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Sci-hub is the future for many scientists as is open source for tech. | Nov 24 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: he doesn't follow links | Nov 24 16:54 |
| schestowitz | too lazy | Nov 24 16:54 |
| schestowitz | he made up his mine | Nov 24 16:54 |
| schestowitz | he chose his source of incom | Nov 24 16:54 |
| schestowitz | paid not to understand | Nov 24 16:54 |
| cubexyz | you could even argue that programming by wire was graph theory :) | Nov 24 16:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272180371398656 | Nov 24 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Exactly, your code doesn't write itself. You have thought and wrote down the code. | Nov 24 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272205625290752 | Nov 24 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz Problem is patents don't inhibit advancement. Facts and reality prove your point faulty. | Nov 24 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272300970246144 | Nov 24 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Now why say someone who also wants to solve that problem shouldn't be allowed to in the same way | Nov 24 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272457145139200 | Nov 24 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Please provide facts, I am curious to see. | Nov 24 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272623956783104 | Nov 24 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I currently disagree. I feel many students could solve medical issues if they had open source info | Nov 24 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669272878869647360 | Nov 24 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz exactly! Imagine if Newton had patented his laws, or there was a patent on number systems. | Nov 24 16:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273259846844416 | Nov 24 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz @retroDoomer Unfortunately, you are wrong again. Patents don't create a monopoly. https://t.co/tFJfIrBI9h | Nov 24 16:56 | |
| schestowitz | Kappos, USPTO Director, called them "monopolies" | Nov 24 16:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669273355338559489 | Nov 24 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @kasilas @ipwatchdog That, I think, depends on what you think maths is. | Nov 24 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273412565471232 | Nov 24 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz programming is absolutely *not* similar to creative writing, nor physical product. | Nov 24 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273657051652097 | Nov 24 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog I would usually drop a ball but I don't believe I am allowed to without risk of severe penalties. | Nov 24 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273708737859584 | Nov 24 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz it would be folly to patent a string of functions and operations. The same as a mathematical formula | Nov 24 16:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273778237661184 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273812664479746 | Nov 24 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Obviously you aren't reading the article explaining why patents are not a monopoly. Fine if you want to persist as ignorant. | Nov 24 16:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Tbh today's Newton isn't allowed free access to his work, he has to pirate it. | Nov 24 16:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669274395169464320 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669274471744802816 | Nov 24 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz There is an interesting debate to be had, here, but does it depends on what you want to class as maths? | Nov 24 17:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz Mathematical formulas are not patentable, but software is not math so that doesn't help your position. | Nov 24 17:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669274939929706497 | Nov 24 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Software is indeed math in many cases. But that is not the point. I see you don't understand code @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669275263407153152 | Nov 24 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Software is never math. I see you don't understand what math is and why you write software. @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276050568818689 | Nov 24 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz The impartial Twitter referre has called the fight in the third with @ipwatchdog winner by TKO in 3d Rd. | Nov 24 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | Says patent guy...:-) | Nov 24 17:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669276096488079361 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276110019010561 | Nov 24 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Strange, I use a lot of mathematical type operations in my code, and many libraries do also @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I studied math and all software is based on mathematic science. | Nov 24 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276317775495168 | Nov 24 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 I wish you the best in sourcing the definition of impartial. @ipwatchdog @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276821125378048 | Nov 24 17:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Easy--means keeping mind open and admitting when I'm wrong. How about you? | Nov 24 17:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669278146013831168 | Nov 24 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I would imagine it must be difficult to not have a biased opinion considering your company. | Nov 24 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | Some people create some things, some assert they have invisible 'property' | Nov 24 17:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669278925147664384 | Nov 24 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @TheIpHawk @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:19 | |
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| schestowitz | http://suepo.org/public/news | Nov 24 17:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - News | Nov 24 17:20 | |
| schestowitz | Claiming a wish to increase transparency, the EPO has published part of its Service Regulations online. Unfortunately, the Circulars mentioned below, as well as the Financial Regulations and the Tender Guidelines, amongst others, are missing. In the interest of potential job applicants and of the public in general, SUEPO calls upon Mr Battistelli to publish the missing parts. | Nov 24 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 347 Circular on Strikes | Nov 24 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 355 Regulations for the Staff Committee elections | Nov 24 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 356 Resources and facilities to be granted to the Staff Committee | Nov 24 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 364 Implementation of the career system. Minimum qualifications for recruitment, grading on recruitment, promotion and other rewards | Nov 24 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 365 General Guidelines on the EPO Competency Framework | Nov 24 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 366 General Guidelines on Performance Management | Nov 24 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 367 Absences for Health Reasons | Nov 24 17:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 17:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669279884146040832 | Nov 24 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: I love it when obviously biased people say that those who believe in a patent system are biased. MIRROR! @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669280188614709248 | Nov 24 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz As said before:I believe for physical inventions it is probably a needed evil. For knowledge it isn't. | Nov 24 17:24 | |
| schestowitz | At least we programmers are producing something | Nov 24 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280664886358017 | Nov 24 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . And as I've said, software is not knowledge. You conflate thing unrelated as if they prove something @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz | Nov 24 17:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448400700343 | Nov 24 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions [ http://ur1.ca/obk8u ] | Nov 24 17:27 | |
| schestowitz | "SUEPO is not only an organization under Dutch law, If I am not mistaken. SUEPO also represents staff in Munich, Berlin and Vienna. FFPE-EPO does not seem to be an option for staff at those locations, which is the majority. If I am wrong, please put me right." | Nov 24 17:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280983133364224 | Nov 24 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: If software is math you would produce things that work, but you don't. Still waiting on that solution! @schestowitz @kstallett @gth1017 | Nov 24 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281347211567104 | Nov 24 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz @gth1017 As in Mathematics the thinking involved to produce a working formula can be too tough to imagine. | Nov 24 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669277709495848960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669276652476735488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669275607818231808 https://twitter.com/Daleington9/status/669196572543082497 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669274586605871106 | Nov 24 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: Software Freedom Conservancy must move to a Supporter-driven organization - https://t.co/8luZbfuokV & it needs help to do so #freesw | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> sfconservancy.org | Support Conservancy - Software Freedom Conservancy | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #trendmicro salespeople want to sell, use misleading figures https://t.co/BRcUcY3Tug recall https://t.co/snvirtm6fg | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indianexpress.com | Cybersecurity: 95 per cent of Android devices were affected in Q3, 2015, says Trend Micro | The Indian Express | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Trend Micro - Techrights | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Now I know why some lawyers-politicians try to ban #encryption and think it's doable. I know because I've just debated @ipwatchdog | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSs | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSs | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 open source security tools to protect your firm https://t.co/otpEO1yX1o #freesw is verifiable | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbronline.com | 5 open source security tools to protect your firm - Computer Business Review | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281928000983040 | Nov 24 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz How would you define it? Again actually curious. | Nov 24 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669282463785607168 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669282977462005761 | Nov 24 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz Knowledge is facts or information, software directs machine to act. How you could think they're the same? | Nov 24 17:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz True but all the algorithms that are used in software are Mathmatical science. Formulas that work on paper | Nov 24 17:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283289199415296 | Nov 24 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz EG: if x > y do something. We use these in our every day life. This is knowledge. This is Mathematics. | Nov 24 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283466719162368 | Nov 24 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz whilst I understand you fight you corner and I fight mine and we both feel we are right. | Nov 24 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | But one side knows mathematical notion, the other does not | Nov 24 17:37 |
| schestowitz | One side is producing, the other is parastical | Nov 24 17:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283532439724033 | Nov 24 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz And this is the internet where no argument has ever been won. | Nov 24 17:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283765089366017 | Nov 24 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I never expected to meet you today in any form and I'm pleased I did as it has me thinking. | Nov 24 17:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284584497012736https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283933863956480 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284100344307713 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284433971814400 | Nov 24 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I have been slack against all these things I believe in. I can't be slack no more. | Nov 24 17:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz Go read a few papers on sci hub and see how much knowledge you will have gained all due to no patents. | Nov 24 17:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz You will be more understanding and gain information you didn't know existed. This is why patents are bad. | Nov 24 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | Patents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries. It has gone very wrong. | Nov 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Patents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries ago. It has gone very wrong. | Nov 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/669286522886209538] https://twitter.com/mikejknuckles/status/669285687783477249 | Nov 24 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway @philshapiro https://t.co/nQ5WrTxkcg | Nov 24 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "I am getting annoyed and tired of Microsoft's marginal business ethics" https://t.co/kcS44BnLoZ https://t.co/Ft7YxrY7Dm | Nov 24 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikejknuckles: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Sic em boy! | Nov 24 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160 | Nov 24 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ... | Nov 24 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669288566414049280 | Nov 24 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog It really has. Then there wasn't such an easy way to share information with the world. Now is very different. | Nov 24 18:00 | |
| schestowitz | Time for massive overhaul/reform | Nov 24 18:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669292736059719681 | Nov 24 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @Twpalovi @schestowitz to me, maths is a succinct description that often helps extract inherent symmetries in considered scenarios. | Nov 24 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KGHohenstauffen/status/669296453551005696 | Nov 24 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHM | Nov 24 18:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHM | Nov 24 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669300777647808512 | Nov 24 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it doesnt respond on 10 Turkey's requests to change it's heading. And this is not first chance exception. Russia - terrorists. | Nov 24 18:49 | |
| schestowitz | Did Turkey think the Russians would bomb Turkey? | Nov 24 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And I'm not blindly believing that "10 requests" claim, as well as some other somewhat questionable claims which need proving | Nov 24 18:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/669302556087029760 | Nov 24 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Well right or wrong he is certainly showing a bellicose lack of eloquence in debate. | Nov 24 18:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669303298151837696 | Nov 24 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it is not necessary)) It is violating of international laws. Russia is bombing not ISIS, but civilians. So, Turkey is right. | Nov 24 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | The US/UK/FR/NATO planes also occasionally bomb many civilians, but coverage is selective | Nov 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669304111557406720 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669304590978912256 | Nov 24 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Turkey puplics video/audio of requests. And I know what is Russia as I was russian and lived there more than 30 years. | Nov 24 19:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz I know what is hybrid war. It was in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. So, even if NATO is bad - Russia is real monster. | Nov 24 19:05 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, but when Russia kills civilians it's intentional and when we do it this is just an unfortunate accident, based on our media | Nov 24 19:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FeelMyFire/status/669306348299882496 | Nov 24 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FeelMyFire: Perfectly said. https://t.co/AVaIUOC1Zp | Nov 24 19:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@Zeipt Yes, but when Russia kills civilians it's intentional and when we do it this is just an unfortunate accident, based on our media | Nov 24 19:08 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669307347857235968 | Nov 24 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz no, I think all remember incident with hospital in Afghanistan. But it cant let Russia or any to violate international laws)) | Nov 24 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | All sides seem to disregard such laws; just because one side is evil doesn't mean the other isn't evil, too | Nov 24 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669308280087420928 | Nov 24 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz I agree. But in situation with this russian SU - Turkey is right. It respects laws of war. | Nov 24 19:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Are Russia and Turkey in a state of war? Turkey not only allows US in its airspace but also airbases (at least two). | Nov 24 19:34 |
| schestowitz | bisson bshttp://www.zdnet.com/article/the-iot-and-the-return-of-8-bit-computing/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | Nov 24 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | The IoT and the return of 8-bit computing | ZDNet | Nov 24 19:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669313968217919488 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669314640782995459 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669313968217919488 | Nov 24 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Turkey is NATO. Russia is NATO's enemy. Turkey shotdown not MH17, but SU, which continuosly violated its airspace to bomb cvls | Nov 24 19:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz if someone will go for crime through your garden wont you decide to stop this at some day?)) | Nov 24 19:41 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: Turkey supports Al-Nusrah Front which is a subdivision of Al-Qaeda, IOW jihadist head-choppers, allied with ISIL Turkey supports them by buying oil from them, and probably by giving them weapons too. Russia bombs them. That's why Turkey shot down the SU-24. | Nov 24 22:47 |
| msb__ | The US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel all support ISIL in various ways, but lie and say they don't. | Nov 24 22:48 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: cubexyz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean? A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic). A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications. Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of | Nov 24 22:54 |
| msb__ | executing the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc. | Nov 24 22:54 |
| cubexyz | mostly I was saying software could be considered very math-like | Nov 24 22:55 |
| cubexyz | I would hesitate to say software == math, except to point out that any executable program could be represented as a big number | Nov 24 22:55 |
| cubexyz | not sure if math has anything like a stack, or jump | Nov 24 22:56 |
| cubexyz | I'm not in favour of software pats though | Nov 24 22:57 |
| MinceR | afaik computer science is part of mathematics | Nov 24 22:57 |
| cubexyz | historically CS grew out of the math departments | Nov 24 22:58 |
| MinceR | also, turing machines are turing-complete without stacks or jumps | Nov 24 22:58 |
| msb__ | If math has arrays, then it has stacks. And if its statements are numbered and selected with an integer (the program counter) then it has jumps. | Nov 24 22:58 |
| cubexyz | APL is very math-like | Nov 24 22:59 |
| cubexyz | it even looks rather like math | Nov 24 23:00 |
| msb__ | I think I proved above that a program + the computer that executes it, combined, constitute a set of mathematical expressions that can be solved (reduced). | Nov 24 23:00 |
| cubexyz | yes, there's the Church-Turing Thesis | Nov 24 23:01 |
| msb__ | Presumably arrays and numbered expressions can be expressed in set theory. I think _anything_ can be expressed in set theory. I took a course in it once. It was brutal. | Nov 24 23:02 |
| MinceR | i wasn't aware of that, afaict | Nov 24 23:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, lambda calculus comes to mind | Nov 24 23:02 |
| msb__ | So if programs are math, and math can't be patented, then swpats are invalid. Is that schestowitz' contention? | Nov 24 23:04 |
| cubexyz | basically | Nov 24 23:04 |
| cubexyz | I just make a simpler argument: software patents are bad for people in general | Nov 24 23:05 |
| cubexyz | bad for society | Nov 24 23:05 |
| msb__ | Then I think he should use my proof, which is concise and simple. | Nov 24 23:05 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Those points are certainly true too. | Nov 24 23:06 |
| msb__ | I would also say that once a programming problem is stated, writing the program is basically the application of known techniques, which any programmer knowledgeable in the art would be able to do. Therefore programs are not novel and thus are not patentable. | Nov 24 23:08 |
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| msb__ | The same argument would also apply to many physical and chemical inventions, which likewise should not be patentable. | Nov 24 23:10 |
| cubexyz | at least patents expire relatively quickly | Nov 24 23:12 |
| cubexyz | less than 20 years de facto | Nov 24 23:12 |
| msb__ | As to benefitting society, if creating something has to involve searching through tens of millions of patents and hiring a lawyer, then patents enormously inhibit creativity. | Nov 24 23:13 |
| cubexyz | it's a bad joke | Nov 24 23:13 |
| msb__ | 20 years can be two or three generations of software or hardware. | Nov 24 23:14 |
| cubexyz | relatively quickly compared to say... copyright | Nov 24 23:14 |
| cubexyz | some patents are utter gobbley-gook anyways | Nov 24 23:19 |
| msb__ | "intellectual property" -- software and entertainment -- can very easily be duplicated with today's technology. So far, the IP "owners" have been unable to stop it. So it may be in the future that IP creators will not be able to demand payment, but will have to rely on voluntary contributions. At the same time, technology, properly applied in a socialist economy, will make living much more affordable than it is currently under | Nov 24 23:19 |
| msb__ | predatory capitalism, so IP creators and everyone else will need much less money. | Nov 24 23:19 |
| cubexyz | all computers can copy a memory location :) | Nov 24 23:20 |
| msb__ | And in particular, a memory location on the Internet. | Nov 24 23:21 |
| msb__ | Patents are supposed to openly explain the techniques used in an invention, but a "good" patent writer can so obfuscate the explanation that it's impossible to understand, and thus doesn't give competitors any clues. | Nov 24 23:23 |
| msb__ | We have to face the fact that technology can change the structures of our lives and society for the better. After all, we used to spend all our lives grubbing for roots and berries. | Nov 24 23:27 |
| msb__ | Patents and copyrights are not suited to the post-industrial age. | Nov 24 23:28 |
| msb__ | Maybe the mathematicalness of software comes down to the Axiom of Choice. That would be fun! | Nov 24 23:33 |
| msb__ | I would think an SU-24 would have countermeasures capable of stopping, fooling, or avoiding an American air-to-air missile. Maybe the pilots didn't have them turned on because they didn't think anyone would attack them. | Nov 24 23:36 |
| msb__ | I've never understood why spaceships don't run with their shields up all the time. Or at least under computer control if it senses an attack. | Nov 24 23:53 |
| msb__ | Dramatic impact, I guess, so they can flash the lights and sway back and forth. | Nov 24 23:55 |
| msb__ | I suspect that if the SU-24 was running with its countermeasures on manual control, Russia will not admit it. | Nov 24 23:57 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: there is a reason why SU-24 electronic warfare system would be in manual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khibiny_%28electronic_countermeasures_system%29 | Nov 25 02:21 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: basically its a sledge hammer that will attempt to disable anything electronic near it so. Its not friend/foe selective. | Nov 25 02:22 |
| msb__ | The article says "masking the true subject against false". Not sure what that means. Seems like a bad translation from Russian. | Nov 25 02:32 |
| msb__ | I think IFF was used in WW2. Seems like it should still be used, but with encryption. | Nov 25 02:33 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: masking yourself against false is giving a false foot print so to missle true target appears to be a echo/shadow and the false target appears to be real. | Nov 25 02:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: yes it is a horible translation from russian. | Nov 25 02:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: but the system operation is more like a very heavy radio jammer and basically not effective against optical guided missles. | Nov 25 02:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile#Electro-optical Basically did turkey have any of the new class of missles on their aircraft if they did normal jamming is not effective. | Nov 25 02:57 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: Also note the Passive Anti-radiation class. These are designed to hunt aircraft with their electronic warfare systems on. | Nov 25 03:01 |
| msb__ | Seems like an ultra-bright strobe light aimed at the missile could blind its sensor. | Nov 25 03:01 |
| oiaohm | ultra bright strobe light also would generate a stronger IR signal so getting a better IR lock. | Nov 25 03:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically this is very dangorous game of rock paper sissors. | Nov 25 03:03 |
| msb__ | How about expelling a few active jammers from the aircraft. I saw this in a submarine movie. The torp locked in one and missed the sub. | Nov 25 03:05 |
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| msb__ | They said on RT that the bombers are now going to have fighter escorts. That should help. | Nov 25 03:07 |
| msb__ | The helos should have them too. | Nov 25 03:07 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html?showComment=1448399350952 | Nov 25 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15 | Nov 25 03:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | I found something in TECHRIGHTS There I read: http://techrights.org/2015/10/06/epo-unlimited-sick-leave/ There I read: ¨Van der Eijk's unlimited sick leave, which seems likely to have little or nothing to do with sickness (as we explained yesterday). As Chairman of the Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBoA) and DG3 VP, Van der Eijk is probably the only remaining potent threat to Benoît Battistelli because the boards are, in principle, independent | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | from Battistelli’s corruptible EPO (in practice Battistelli just breaks the rules).¨There are some more comments: | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 1)Mr Battistelli’s plan:Get rid of the present VP 3 | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 2)He has angered the top management, mainly by R19/12 and refusal of the enlarged board to agree to the dismissal of the DG3 member under investigation. | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 3)Replacing DG3 with the UPC appears to be impossible without a diplomatic conference. | Nov 25 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Commenters Provide Possible Explanations for Mr Van der Eijk Being on Unlimited Sick Leave | Techrights | Nov 25 03:11 | |
| schestowitz | 4)Also quite obviously the german delegation in the AC would be strongly against weakening Munich as Europe’s patent capital, so all those plans might go nowhere as the other delegations (of the new countries bought by BB with free new dents) will be very reluctant to outvote Germany in that matter. | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 1) to 4) are all possible answers. Does Marc Rutte, the prime minister of the Netherlands have contact with VP3 Van der Eijk to get relevant and important information? It seems to me that Mr.Van der Eijk is a strong character for whom it is impossible to be ¨his masters voice¨. I hope strongly that Mr.Van der Eijk is not forgotten by the Dutch government. | Nov 25 03:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 03:11 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: issue 1 you can only carry so many active droppable jammers. 2 depending on the type of missle send at you will depend if those work. | Nov 25 03:22 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: 1. one or two would be a lot better than none 2. the type of missile could be determined from the radiation coming from it -- active radar, laser, none, etc. | Nov 25 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Passive Anti-radiation class, IR and Optical all don't put out any radiation. | Nov 25 03:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: IR and Opttical you might have flares but depending on the design they could choose to completely ignore you flares. | Nov 25 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Dropping flares the process increases electro radation emissions. | Nov 25 03:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Passive Anti-radiation class is basically run silent. Run really silent. | Nov 25 03:31 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6851297 | Nov 25 04:09 |
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| schestowitz | "lots of girls :-) seams like Fedora is very attractive to women" | Nov 25 04:09 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe because of the name ;-) | Nov 25 04:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/669265789967581185 | Nov 25 04:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Gene may be wasting his time here 😉 https://t.co/vH9XPZBhDA | Nov 25 04:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt? | Nov 25 04:13 | |
| schestowitz | And my time has no value? | Nov 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/669302556087029760 | Nov 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Well right or wrong he is certainly showing a bellicose lack of eloquence in debate. | Nov 25 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheIpHawk/status/669277764411879425 | Nov 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheIpHawk: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer I would love to see the math equation that backs up some of the software patents granted. | Nov 25 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OpenStackTpNews/status/669443688536363009 | Nov 25 04:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | latest news https://t.co/vLSQhpz1uj | Nov 25 04:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com | Samsung Galaxy Grand Prime Android update: latest news - AndroidPIT | Nov 25 04:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Impressions of Fossil’s Q Founder Android | Nov 25 04:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wear Smartwatch | Nov 25 04:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hSi8TcOnpj (fortune.com) | Nov 25 04:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortune.com | First Impressions of Fossil's Q Founder Android Wear Smartwatch - Fortune | Nov 25 04:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Wants to Speed Up Android App | Nov 25 04:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development https://t.co/z82aSM3gPV | Nov 25 04:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcmag.com | Google Wants to Speed Up Android App Development | News & Opinion | PCMag.com | Nov 25 04:22 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/669448789288185858 | Nov 25 04:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Legitimacy is irrelevant. | Nov 25 04:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @gaupwivol favourited 'First Impressions of Fossil’s Q Founder Android Wear...' | Nov 25 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Photos App Now Tries to Become an Image | Nov 25 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Editor Too https://t.co/BzQnCX61EJ | Nov 25 04:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME Photos App Now Tries to Become an Image Editor Too | Nov 25 04:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DragonFlyBSD Switches To Gold Linker By Default | Nov 25 04:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | DragonFlyBSD Switches To Gold Linker By Default - Phoronix | Nov 25 04:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What Are the UX Principles Behind Ubuntu Phone? | Nov 25 04:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CTblriuo5c (www.sitepoint.com) | Nov 25 04:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sitepoint.com | What Are the UX Principles Behind Ubuntu Phone? | Nov 25 04:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines antiX MX-15 Linux Distro Gets a Second Beta | Nov 25 04:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Release, Based on Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 | Nov 25 04:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | antiX MX-15 Linux Distro Gets a Second Beta Release, Based on Debian GNU/Linux 8.2 | Nov 25 04:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Live After Debian Live | Nov 25 04:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PC Gaming Reaches Next Level Through Open | Nov 25 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Source https://t.co/m31TPvbNIL | Nov 25 04:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.business2community.com | PC Gaming Reaches Next Level Through Open Source | Nov 25 04:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Software Announces Linux-Based Mac | Nov 25 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mini-Competitor Black Lab BriQ v5 | Nov 25 04:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Black Lab Software Announces Linux-Based Mac Mini Competitor Black Lab BriQ v5 | Nov 25 04:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GTK+ 3.20 Gets Another Milestone with Theming | Nov 25 05:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements and Bugfixes | Nov 25 05:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GTK+ 3.20 Gets Another Milestone with Theming Improvements and Bugfixes | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian-Based Webconverger 33.1 Kiosk Linux OS | Nov 25 05:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is Out with Mozilla Firefox 42.0 | Nov 25 05:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Debian-Based Webconverger 33.1 Kiosk Linux OS Is Out with Mozilla Firefox 42.0 | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Will Be Powered | Nov 25 05:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | by Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS https://t.co/W7xORQEUoO | Nov 25 05:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Will Be Powered by Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Photos App Now Tries to Become an...' | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'antiX MX-15 Linux Distro Gets a Second Beta...' | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Black Lab Software Announces Linux-Based Mac Mini-Competitor Black...' | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GTK+ 3.20 Gets Another Milestone with Theming Improvements...' | Nov 25 05:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian-Based Webconverger 33.1 Kiosk Linux OS Is Out...' | Nov 25 05:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Will Be Powered...' | Nov 25 05:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669454024819810304 | Nov 25 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Please, check your link: https://t.co/sK3XAxe4xz | Nov 25 05:10 | |
| schestowitz | Site down? | Nov 25 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DebianLive After Debian Live https://t.co/YhZVVdlV8r #debian #gnu #linux | Nov 25 05:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669458591540203521 | Nov 25 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Indeed. https://t.co/JgYvuvOMMs | Nov 25 05:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Site down? | Nov 25 05:18 | |
| schestowitz | I think the link was correct, don't see why not, my wife posted it in tuxmachines | Nov 25 05:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669460170414661633 | Nov 25 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz @arstechnica's #FUD https://t.co/eJ36kshrV7 Turkey has been transgressing Greece's airspace w/impunity https://t.co/XwHv5merRv | Nov 25 05:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669461256936546305 | Nov 25 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz possibly offline: https://t.co/LdVCOFZMYX | Nov 25 05:26 | |
| schestowitz | yes, same thing I got | Nov 25 05:26 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean? A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic). A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications. Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of executing | Nov 25 05:34 |
| msb__ | the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc. | Nov 25 05:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links /11/2015: Webconverger 33.1, Netrunner 17 | Nov 25 06:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released https://t.co/EmOhdlnhQV | Nov 25 06:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links /11/2015: Webconverger 33.1, Netrunner 17 Released | Techrights | Nov 25 06:18 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links /11/2015: Webconverger 33.1, Netrunner 17 Released https://t.co/EmOhdlnhQV' | Nov 25 06:50 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links /11/2015: Webconverger 33.1, Netrunner 17 Released https://t.co/EmOhdlnhQV' | Nov 25 06:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/fg0csd2gMy | Nov 25 06:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 25 06:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/6V8siZyfQa | Nov 25 06:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Nov 25 06:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/9dVt6W5PHe | Nov 25 06:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 25 06:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/y36UwDbWaJ | Nov 25 06:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 25 06:52 | |
| msb__ | "The Man in the High Castle" -- 10 part TV series, based on the novel by Philip K Dick and screenplay by Frank Spotnitz of The X-Files. 1962 dystopian alternate timeline in which the US lost WW2 and has been conquered by the German and Japanese Nazis. Just watched the first episode. Very well produced, very gruesome.Perhaps if tRump gets elected, we will see it for real. | Nov 25 07:30 |
| msb__ | Or Hellary. Murdered Libya and gloated about it, and is now trying to censor a comedy show that ridiculed her. | Nov 25 07:33 |
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| cubexyz | yes, I think it's fair to say that a lot of things aren't that good if you study them in detail | Nov 25 08:05 |
| cubexyz | e.g. none of the computer stores in my area are any good | Nov 25 08:06 |
| cubexyz | also the documentation you get with peripherals and computers is a bad joke | Nov 25 08:09 |
| msb__ | It is up to us -- we who know good things -- to broadcast them to as many people as we can. That's the only way our society can improve. Fortunately the Internet makes it possible. | Nov 25 08:49 |
| msb__ | After watching the second episode, I do not recommend "The Man in the High Castle". It is pornography of fascism, torture, murder, and death. The story might make a good 90-minute movie, but this version is padded with awfulness. Two hours of it is as much as I can stand. | Nov 25 08:53 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: As to computers, things are much better than when I was growing up. $150 will buy a powerful Linux-capable SBC, a keyboard, mouse, and hard drive. Connect it to a TV, load it with Linux, get the docs from the Web, get a $15-20/month Net connection, and you're in contact with the World Mind! | Nov 25 09:02 |
| cubexyz | 50s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s, there's no doubt that generally electronics has improved | Nov 25 09:07 |
| cubexyz | by the late 1980s though things get a bit more murky | Nov 25 09:07 |
| cubexyz | also my net connection is more like $50 than $20 per month | Nov 25 09:08 |
| cubexyz | by the late 1980s surface mount technology has reduced the repairability of computers | Nov 25 09:08 |
| cubexyz | are things better now than in the late 1950s? no question | Nov 25 09:09 |
| cubexyz | but wall warts? | Nov 25 09:10 |
| cubexyz | that's a step backwards | Nov 25 09:10 |
| cubexyz | flimsy connector pair with minimal contact area, no locking retainer | Nov 25 09:11 |
| cubexyz | very poor design | Nov 25 09:11 |
| cubexyz | of course, part of the bad design is deliberate | Nov 25 09:13 |
| cubexyz | no light bulb company is going to make a bulb that lasts 100 years | Nov 25 09:13 |
| cubexyz | on the plus side some stuff is pretty good... dlink routers, HP Laserjets (some of them) | Nov 25 09:14 |
| cubexyz | anything that is repairable or lasts beyond 15 years is pretty good | Nov 25 09:15 |
| cubexyz | some early 1950s computers needed a megawatt of power to run | Nov 25 09:16 |
| cubexyz | so getting things down to under 100 watts was great | Nov 25 09:17 |
| cubexyz | the transition from vacuum tubes to transistors was obviously super important | Nov 25 09:18 |
| cubexyz | but all the crappy "laptops" that last under 4 years, that's not good | Nov 25 09:19 |
| cubexyz | some of the stuff was so bad... they actually would destroy themselves | Nov 25 09:19 |
| cubexyz | the GPU would overheat 100% of the time | Nov 25 09:20 |
| cubexyz | I've seen stuff go over 100C | Nov 25 09:21 |
| cubexyz | some of the Dell Dimension laptops had pretty close to 100% defective rate | Nov 25 09:22 |
| cubexyz | and programmed obsolesence... print cartridges that stop working after a certain period of time even though they still have ink | Nov 25 09:24 |
| cubexyz | planned obsolesence, laptops with forced microsoft tax, etc | Nov 25 09:26 |
| cubexyz | no way we can say that the current situation is ideal | Nov 25 09:26 |
| cubexyz | when the company says "buy a new one" and doesn't offer fuse replacements | Nov 25 09:29 |
| cubexyz | and tablets are a new low for repairability... | Nov 25 09:31 |
| cubexyz | I imagine there's a mountain of broken smart phones and tablets somewhere | Nov 25 09:31 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah and fuses that require desodering | Nov 25 09:32 |
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| msb__ | I was talking about the system I mentioned, not every bad thing you can think of. But I called up earthlink and they charge $40/month for 3Mbits/sec DSL, which stinks. | Nov 25 10:44 |
| msb__ | Maybe there's better, but I don't feel like looking for it now., | Nov 25 10:45 |
| cubexyz | actually I benefit from all the defectives since customers donate their stuff to me | Nov 25 10:45 |
| cubexyz | right, I can't think of any broadband for $20 per month | Nov 25 10:48 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, skype gives free phone service to every other computer user in the world, and an additional $10/month gives you all the TV and movies you want, who knows how. | Nov 25 10:48 |
| msb__ | I've read that some nations in Asia have much cheaper broadband than the US. | Nov 25 10:49 |
| cubexyz | no doubt | Nov 25 10:49 |
| cubexyz | cheaper than Canada too | Nov 25 10:49 |
| msb__ | Well, the US is the capital of predatory capitalism, so I guess it's expected. | Nov 25 10:50 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, I did lots of computer work with a 56K modem for years. | Nov 25 10:51 |
| cubexyz | are you happy with your existing ISP? | Nov 25 10:54 |
| msb__ | I have comcast for $150/month for TV, Net, and phone. About 2MByte/sec. | Nov 25 10:55 |
| msb__ | They don't bother me. | Nov 25 10:56 |
| msb__ | I keep getting snailmail from ATT DSL so I just went to their website and entered my zipcode. It said "your session has expired from inactivity". | Nov 25 11:00 |
| msb__ | Great company there! | Nov 25 11:00 |
| cubexyz | AT&T is bigger than Microsoft | Nov 25 11:06 |
| msb__ | At least comcrap gives me continuous RT on a cable channel. | Nov 25 11:08 |
| msb__ | The Islamic head-choppers who machine-gunned to death the two Russian pilots coming down in their parachutes are described by Obomber as "moderate rebels". | Nov 25 11:10 |
| msb__ | Personally, I think the head-choppers/clit-cutters have made a big mistake by murdering a few hundred Russians and French people. They are going to be hunted to the ends of the Earth and exterminated like vermin. | Nov 25 11:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, this is comparatively less important but I'm hearing from windows 7/8 users that there "old hardware" isn't supported | Nov 25 11:37 |
| cubexyz | and their idea of "old" isn't anywhere close to mine | Nov 25 11:37 |
| cubexyz | e.g. peripherals from 2009 are "old" | Nov 25 11:37 |
| cubexyz | it's as you say... predatory capitalism | Nov 25 11:38 |
| msb__ | This is good for us! Tell them to switch to Linux. | Nov 25 11:39 |
| cubexyz | yes, I show them my lab | Nov 25 11:39 |
| msb__ | You are Mr. Wizard! | Nov 25 11:40 |
| msb__ | Ever see him? "fruit, cereal milk bread and butter", every week. He must have been getting money from the American Starch Association. | Nov 25 11:41 |
| cubexyz | I vaguely recall him talking about one of the 8-bit ataris | Nov 25 11:41 |
| cubexyz | he died in 2007, age 89 | Nov 25 11:42 |
| msb__ | That's pretty good. Hope I make it that far! | Nov 25 11:42 |
| cubexyz | I'm all for life maximization :) | Nov 25 11:43 |
| cubexyz | he was a good guy but a bit clueless about computers | Nov 25 11:43 |
| msb__ | Don Herbert! I remembered his name. At least I don't have Alzheimer | Nov 25 11:44 |
| msb__ | 's. | Nov 25 11:44 |
| msb__ | Come on in, Johnny, and sit on my lap. Don't worry, that's just a flashlight in my pocket. Just kidding!!! | Nov 25 11:45 |
| cubexyz | 1200XL | Nov 25 11:45 |
| msb__ | Who was the weirdo in the sweater? Mr. Something's Neighborhood. | Nov 25 11:46 |
| cubexyz | Mr Rogers? | Nov 25 11:46 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Nov 25 11:47 |
| cubexyz | 1988 was the year he talked about the Atari 1200XL | Nov 25 11:47 |
| cubexyz | that's near the end of the 8-bit home computer era | Nov 25 11:48 |
| cubexyz | not a very good computer actually | Nov 25 11:49 |
| cubexyz | but compared to other shows Mr Wizard was a good show | Nov 25 11:50 |
| cubexyz | in 1988 I would have had an Amiga 500 and a 286 PC | Nov 25 11:51 |
| cubexyz | and I actually ran Xenix 286, so I had Unix in the home | Nov 25 11:52 |
| cubexyz | Fred Rogers died in 2003, aged 74 | Nov 25 11:53 |
| cubexyz | Rogers argued in favour of fair use recording of tv shows | Nov 25 11:54 |
| <--papa has quit (Quit: have a good one) | Nov 25 11:58 | |
| msb__ | The one I really liked was Soupy Sales! | Nov 25 11:59 |
| cubexyz | haha, I bet most people in here never heard of Soupy Sales :) | Nov 25 12:00 |
| msb__ | He asked the kids, "What word begins with 'F' and ends with 'uck'?" | Nov 25 12:00 |
| msb__ | Of course the answer is "firetruck". | Nov 25 12:00 |
| cubexyz | snopes says no actually | Nov 25 12:01 |
| msb__ | He also asked the kids to go into their father's wallet and mail him all the green pieces of paper they found there. | Nov 25 12:01 |
| cubexyz | http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/soupyjokes.asp | Nov 25 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.snopes.com | Soupy Sales' Smutty Jokes : snopes.com | Nov 25 12:02 | |
| msb__ | snopes are fascists. I heard him say it, at least in a movie. | Nov 25 12:02 |
| cubexyz | ok :) | Nov 25 12:02 |
| cubexyz | the green pieces of paper was true | Nov 25 12:04 |
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| cubexyz | in Soupy's autobiography he offered $10K to anyone who could prove he said those racy jokes | Nov 25 12:06 |
| cubexyz | but if you can remember which movie it was... | Nov 25 12:07 |
| cubexyz | if it was on live TV it there may not be any surviving recordings of it | Nov 25 12:12 |
| MinceR | http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12279030_10153692390890502_8490200408327057555_n.jpg?oh=159f6e89836a1330ec3c67edb89313bb&oe=56B25B3D&__gda__=1458236185_22d797fce2bcde40f2a7437422a17e3a | Nov 25 12:49 |
| cubexyz | ha | Nov 25 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeOpenSouRRce/status/669530654514634752 | Nov 25 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhX | Nov 25 13:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rightrelevance.com | Right Relevance : Influencers, Articles and Conversations | Nov 25 13:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhX | Nov 25 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669579554600587265 | Nov 25 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: File in #Weird_Coincidences_on_Twitter along with-- https://t.co/MsJE8wOiSn https://t.co/bBP77nZYL0 | Nov 25 13:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScienceNews: People’s blood sugar rises or falls differently even when they eat the exact same food: https://t.co/aRMmYNEwRr https://t.co/L4pUuoHdtL | Nov 25 13:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just got back from #pcworld and on the doorstep there was incidentally an intimidating letter from PC World. It's "warranty" marketing spam. | Nov 25 13:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MikeTilbury/status/669581576766939136 | Nov 25 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MikeTilbury: @schestowitz @TheRegister wow that's a great feature. | Nov 25 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669585590866845697 | Nov 25 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Roy, puh-leaze, regardless of the content, re-tweeting that account discredits you, completely. | Nov 25 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | The account I know about. But this particular tweet doesn't have anything too dubious. | Nov 25 13:47 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Systemd — unit dependencies and order | Nov 25 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5F0C4GdvwO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 13:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd — unit dependencies and order | Tux Machines | Nov 25 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669588763136401410 https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589009505603584 https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/669589190930243584 | Nov 25 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 Fair enough. One thing about being a whistle-blower, is accepting the consequences; given the current RF posture... | Nov 25 14:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 ...it sure doesn't help his ostensible agenda, which I share, to be enjoying the hospitality of the FSB. | Nov 25 14:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ian56789: @schestowitz You should realize @Samoan_Attorney is the enemy of all decent ppl & by ignorance supports terrorists, Fascists & Globalists | Nov 25 14:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589713431470081 | Nov 25 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Says 'a guy' *from behind a block*, with no evidence, or credibility. | Nov 25 14:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora at Czech conferences | Nov 25 14:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BjjIWorJky | Nov 25 14:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com | Fedora at Czech conferences | Brno's hat | Nov 25 14:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fossil Q Founder Android Wear watch now | Nov 25 14:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available to order for $295 | Nov 25 14:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9OlMN3qttL (9to5google.com) | Nov 25 14:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Fossil Q Founder Android Wear watch now available to order for $295 | 9to5Google | Nov 25 14:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standards | Nov 25 14:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rhepyhjlOg (joinup.ec.europa.eu) | Nov 25 14:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standards | Joinup | Nov 25 14:14 | |
| msb__ | The SU-24 copilot survived! Rescued by the Syrian army and interviewed on RT, he said that they knew the route very well, had perfect visibility, and never crossed the border. Turkey gave them no warning. Big surprise. | Nov 25 14:24 |
| cubexyz | huh | Nov 25 14:25 |
| cubexyz | interesting | Nov 25 14:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Brand New Samsung Android 6.0 Marshmallow | Nov 25 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update Schedule Leaks: Galaxy Note 5 | Nov 25 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/p3sPIAL6TL (www.techtimes.com) | Nov 25 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Brand New Samsung Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Schedule Leaks: Galaxy Note 5, 4, 3, S6, Edge, S5, S4 And Others : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 25 14:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 | Nov 25 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hotfix Update for Ubuntu Phones | Nov 25 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6lIcq7AnrU (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 25 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 Hotfix Update for Ubuntu Phones | Nov 25 14:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is | Nov 25 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Malware https://t.co/TihcNWvObO | Nov 25 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 25 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware | Nov 25 14:31 | |
| msb__ | John Pilger on RT right now! | Nov 25 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android on | Nov 25 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapdragon 410 https://t.co/1H7o0Jte14 | Nov 25 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 25 14:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android on Snapdragon 410 · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 14:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with | Nov 25 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core | Nov 25 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Support https://t.co/4KJIOnpndu | Nov 25 14:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core Support | Nov 25 14:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java | Nov 25 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | programming stack https://t.co/bcD5Rt3uCx | Nov 25 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 25 14:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java programming stack · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 14:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 14:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MJzSqAgnqn (ostatic.com) | Nov 25 14:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 14:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 Hotfix...' | Nov 25 14:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware...' | Nov 25 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RichardEWillard/status/669600588724838405 | Nov 25 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardEWillard: RT - schestowitz - #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/0jdc7zUfG6 not staff but critical… https://t.co/qN0SWZ7o2d | Nov 25 14:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Ben Kerensa of Mozilla tells his open source story | Opensource.com | Nov 25 14:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/XEGftquSqT not staff but critical (at times) contributor, #ubuntu too. | Nov 25 14:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi,...' | Nov 25 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up | Nov 25 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the hype on Linux https://t.co/iOxGGV587a | Nov 25 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Nov 25 14:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | PCWorld | Nov 25 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, | Nov 25 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is No Longer Active https://t.co/vmtHwdAf8u | Nov 25 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 25 14:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Nov 25 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ellen_Timmer/status/669602884498116608 | Nov 25 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ellen_Timmer: Alles delen https://t.co/t23bhqPRSu | Nov 25 14:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #lenovo and #dell (maybe more to come) show that machines with #microsoft #windows preinstalled are like tracking devices w/ spyware | Nov 25 14:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader | Nov 25 14:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/KZRtU7MzPr | Nov 25 14:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 25 14:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Nov 25 14:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...' | Nov 25 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 | Nov 25 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@datachick: Dell picked a bad week to quit securing. https://t.co/w0KYTdXbkt | Nov 25 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 14:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...' | Nov 25 14:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux approach to human and ecosystem | Nov 25 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | well-being https://t.co/cHPeCw5JgV | Nov 25 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux approach to human and ecosystem well-being | Tux Machines | Nov 25 14:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up | Nov 25 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the hype on Linux https://t.co/0vWIR19brt | Nov 25 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 25 14:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gh6WJgNSJH (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Tux Machines | Nov 25 14:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, | Nov 25 14:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is No Longer Active https://t.co/0exYoWvmWT | Nov 25 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Tux Machines | Nov 25 14:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader | Nov 25 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/UBloF0giL0 | Nov 25 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Tux Machines | Nov 25 15:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...' | Nov 25 15:00 | |
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| schestowitz | I can't decrypt for some reason... | Nov 25 15:08 |
| schestowitz | PGP failing on me | Nov 25 15:08 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...' | Nov 25 15:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Nov 25 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MFFlbd9hVB (fossforce.com) | Nov 25 15:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Will Steam Machine Solve Linux's Gaming Woes? | FOSS Force | Nov 25 15:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Adlink’s rugged, Linux-friendly “CM1-86DX3” | Nov 25 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PC/104 SBC is built with DMP’s new dual-core" | Nov 25 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zVewklLZQy (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Rugged, legacy PC/104 SBC taps dual-core Vortex86DX3 SoC · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 15:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released | Nov 25 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1YMsnFtoiz (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released - Phoronix | Nov 25 15:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot Tour | Nov 25 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/y5brnFy2cX | Nov 25 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxscreenshots.org) | Nov 25 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CuEWLJSk9X (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 25 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org | KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot Tour | Nov 25 15:34 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Beautiful KaOS 2015.11 Is Out with KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Frameworks 5.16 | Nov 25 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669613776904171520 | Nov 25 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz More timy pieces of the #snitchocracy / #snatchocracy / DEFECT QUAGMIRE that must be entirely drained. https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe | Nov 25 15:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6 | Nov 25 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669614226969722880 | Nov 25 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you were the one who said that software is math but you can't solve any software program. You just don't get it. | Nov 25 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669614412177608709 | Nov 25 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog that's hilarious! I guess he never looked at the source code for any server software that actually serves up pages | Nov 25 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | he thinks markup is a program | Nov 25 15:35 |
| cubexyz | oh no, not this again :) | Nov 25 15:35 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 25 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I worry too | Nov 25 15:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669614661709332480 | Nov 25 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz “Customer security and privacy is a top concern and priority for Dell." --Dell https://t.co/GmmPlJ0e4Z | Nov 25 15:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com | Dell Compromises Customers' Security with Pre-Installed Rootkit - Breitbart | Nov 25 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669616093728632832 | Nov 25 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog probably thinks that writing apps actually work like pen/paper too :/ | Nov 25 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669616763978383360 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617147941793792 | Nov 25 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you are ignorant and lie. You refuse to solve ANY programc bc you can't. You twist and lie. Webpage is software. | Nov 25 15:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why won't you solve a program if software is math? Why do you always have to lie about what I say? Are you that ignorant? | Nov 25 15:43 | |
| schestowitz | webpage markup is input, not a program | Nov 25 15:43 |
| schestowitz | php and apache, firefox etc. are programs | Nov 25 15:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618051445211136 | Nov 25 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Nov 25 15:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Ignorant software patent critic @schestowitz announces proudly that website code is NOT software. Apparently HTML and PHP are hardware. LOL | Nov 25 15:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 | Nov 25 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Great @schestowitz . If PHP is a software program and software is math then you can solve PHP. Can't wait for you to solve PHP. LOL. | Nov 25 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618725864103936 | Nov 25 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What is the solution for PHP @schestowitz ? What is the solution for Apache or Firefox? If they're software and software is math then solve. | Nov 25 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | sigh | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | waste of time | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: you're right | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | waste of time again | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855313 | Nov 25 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers making stuff up https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 I can too. Patent lawyer admits stopping violence against wife. | Nov 25 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855328 | Nov 25 15:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyer says "a software program" https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 George Bush said "the Google" | Nov 25 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619049408524288 | Nov 25 15:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: The funny thing is @schestowitz has boxed himself into a corner. He can't solve software because software is not math. Exposed as ignorant! | Nov 25 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | php is a program. You give it input and it gives output (the solution) | Nov 25 15:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619668450017281 | Nov 25 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What happened to the conversation about software @schestowitz ? You lost software is math argument so now you want to talk about program? | Nov 25 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619875631906816 | Nov 25 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: You said software is math, but you can't solve software, so that means it isn't math. You lie and misdirect bc you are wrong. @schestowitz | Nov 25 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669620933238222848 https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669621337862770688 | Nov 25 16:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Been fun proving software is not math, you can't solve any software and generally exposing you as ignorant. Thanks for laugh. | Nov 25 16:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Wow. What a ridiculous way to try and make a point… | Nov 25 16:00 | |
| schestowitz | he said that I said something I hadn't said, then deleted his tweet | Nov 25 16:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855364 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855378 | Nov 25 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Explaining software to non-technical #patent lawyers is a lot like trying to explain Evolution to dyed-in-the-wool Theists Waste of time. | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #patent lawyers who never wrote a computer program lecturing others about #swpats is like Theists saying "you think we came from monkeys?" | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832 https://twitter.com/iamgotlieb/status/669622512867766273 | Nov 25 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQF | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by AnonyOps) | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQF | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iamgotlieb: #Dell you fat fool. #Privacy https://t.co/ZQY7YjDYPL | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Undercoverinfo1/status/669622842875633664 | Nov 25 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Undercoverinfo1: @schestowitz @AnonyOps Another reason not to purchase device under one's own name or pay by card/cheque, or register support etc | Nov 25 16:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832 | Nov 25 16:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pandymonium01/status/669623486332010497 | Nov 25 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pandymonium01: This will interest you @schestowitz https://t.co/yzTuuwzIld | Nov 25 16:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musalbas: The page that Dell is linking customers to learn about the recent security issue, itself has a security issue... https://t.co/Y9f0sFDIeW | Nov 25 16:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669623733707866112 | Nov 25 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Ok. But you could have used another example of a made up statement. That's all. | Nov 25 16:09 | |
| schestowitz | it's the "have you stopped beating up your wife?" classic | Nov 25 16:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agedchild003/status/669626144321355776 | Nov 25 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agedchild003: Dell computers bundled with that blurts fingerprint to websites shame on https://t.co/GR1ugr7uVk | Nov 25 16:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/some-end-of-year-reading.html?showComment=1448485773696 | Nov 25 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Some end-of-year reading ... | Nov 25 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | " It occurs to me that a book written by a European patent attorney and entitled EPC Law for patent professionals in the USA, one that is a quick and focused read, and cheap, might sell quite well in the USA and prove to be of huge benefit on both sides of the Atlantic. Does such a book exist I wonder." | Nov 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/the-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1448480415214 | Nov 25 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: The European Patent Office [ http://ur1.ca/obmc0 ] | Nov 25 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | Troll: | Nov 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz | "We see these days the union guys e-mailing and tweeting and texting so much, will it this time be a massive flash mob dance, a graffiti attack or EPO flags replaced by pirate flags as a new fresh surprise? ….VP1 is getting bored!! " | Nov 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448479353640 | Nov 25 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September [ http://ur1.ca/obmc3 ] | Nov 25 16:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you have to be a bit careful about how you word something, and avoid accusations, but merely stick to facts in the public domain (damning enough). Could someone please let me know where it is said that you are not allowed to contact your delegate? I'm sure BB does not like it, but that is not the same as it being against the Service Regulations. I have already done so a while ago on another matter. So far no comeback. | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm doing it and I'll let you know if there are any consequences. | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | By the way, where are the patent attorneys in all this? They, or their professional organizations, should get active. Politicians cannot ignore representatives of industry as easily as they can civil servants. | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 16:30 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A program is a set of symbolic logic implications (imperative statements), but it cannot be solved until it is fused with the set of SL implications representing the functioning of a computer. | Nov 25 16:38 |
| msb__ | When that is done, the result is a sequence of symbols representing the output of the program. | Nov 25 16:39 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: So a program can be considered to be data for a computer. | Nov 25 16:40 |
| msb__ | Or a program can be considered to be an incomplete set of SL statements (expressions) until it is fused with the | Nov 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | data cannot be sent to a processor | Nov 25 16:41 |
| schestowitz | this is why some objects are executable | Nov 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | and others are not | Nov 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | some are instructions | Nov 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | some just input | Nov 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | to operate on | Nov 25 16:42 |
| msb__ | SL representing the operation of the computer. | Nov 25 16:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669632387031162880 | Nov 25 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Has the decision been published? I thought they had decided to publish it. | Nov 25 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | the lawyers' association? | Nov 25 16:43 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Go back to the fundamentals of CS -- LISP. A LISP program can be seen as data for a LISP interpreter, or it can be seen as a higher-order processor that takes data of its own. It is both. | Nov 25 16:47 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A program is a set of SL expressions that doesn't produce anything (can't be reduced) until it is fused with the SL expressions representing the computer. | Nov 25 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/danielnazer/status/669632986250260484 | Nov 25 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danielnazer: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz What's the "solution" to the Axiom of Choice? The question is nonsensical. Does that mean the AC is not math? | Nov 25 16:49 | |
| msb__ | Likewise, a page of HTML doesn't produce anything until it is fused with an HTML interpreter program, fused with the SL representing the computer. | Nov 25 16:50 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A page of HTML is a set of instructions for an HTML interpreter. | Nov 25 16:52 |
| msb__ | Interpreters take data which _are_ instructions (at a higher level than machine instructions). | Nov 25 16:53 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: So a page of HTML is a set of math expressions (data is a an expression which is a list of expressions), which is only complete (reducible) when fused with the SL representing an HTML interpreter program and a computer. | Nov 25 16:56 |
| msb__ | A program can be seen as instructions, or it can be seen as data for an interpreter (the computer). Both points of view are correct. | Nov 25 16:59 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: a program is math according to either point of view. | Nov 25 16:59 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: I got this understanding in my early teens when a friend showed me a book on LISP. | Nov 25 17:01 |
| msb__ | But I can express it more clearly now. | Nov 25 17:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669635397014659072 | Nov 25 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz The decision of the enlarged board. | Nov 25 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | The one 'leaked' last week? | Nov 25 17:02 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: LISP programs can modify themselves. So they are both instructions _and_ data. | Nov 25 17:05 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I wrote a bash program that takes any number of search strings and any number of "avoid" strings, and creates a pipeline of grep commands that emits all the pathnames under the current directory that contain all the search strings but none of the "avoid" strings. | Nov 25 17:08 |
| msb__ | It's very useful! | Nov 25 17:09 |
| msb__ | Programs that write programs are the luckiest programs in the world. 8^) | Nov 25 17:09 |
| msb__ | I should have said that after creating the pipeline, it executes it. | Nov 25 17:10 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: That pipeline string is both data -- created by the bash script -- and instructions -- executed by the bash script. | Nov 25 17:12 |
| msb__ | Likewise, every bash script is instructions, but also is data for the bash interpreter. It depends on which level you look at. | Nov 25 17:13 |
| msb__ | An HTML page _is_ math, but is incomplete until it is added to the expressions for the interpreter and computer. | Nov 25 17:15 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Why don't you tell this to that jerk who is arguing with you? | Nov 25 17:16 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: You're smart. Have you been reading what I've written? Isn't it true? | Nov 25 17:22 |
| msb__ | You go back early in CS. Do you understand the fundamentals of LISP? | Nov 25 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669638241377759233 | Nov 25 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Yes, that one. Have there been others? | Nov 25 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tmoch28/status/669640989565460481 | Nov 25 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tmoch28: "Reeeeaal nice, clark" https://t.co/GYN3KTc7fw | Nov 25 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/seirdotmk/status/669645498098171904 | Nov 25 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PaulNemitz/status/669645718852935682 | Nov 25 17:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moglen on low cost of storage and why the so-called 'cloud' is a disaster https://t.co/62dSrkgO09 epic talk, prophetic (before #nsa leaks) | Nov 25 17:49 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/briswe/status/669656009284145152 | Nov 25 18:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@briswe: This conversation is just 😅 https://t.co/s6SkKjGyYQ | Nov 25 18:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://t.co/wKOPhtxLJg what happens when non-programmers speak about software | Nov 25 18:26 | |
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| cubexyz | msb__, I study old tech, yes | Nov 25 18:44 |
| cubexyz | lisp is the oldest language after Fortran | Nov 25 18:45 |
| cubexyz | IBM 704 (1954) vacuum tube machine, first computer with Fortran and Lisp | Nov 25 18:47 |
| cubexyz | this goes back to the Church-Turing Thesis | Nov 25 18:52 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll quote the best authority on CS I know: Donald Knuth | Nov 25 18:53 |
| cubexyz | "To a computer scientist, this makes no sense, because every algorithm is as mathematical as anything could be. An algorithm is an abstract concept unrelated to physical laws of the universe." | Nov 25 18:53 |
| cubexyz | so Knuth says software is math... that's good enough for me | Nov 25 18:54 |
| cubexyz | some judges have argued that complex math is patentable | Nov 25 18:54 |
| cubexyz | here's what the United States Court of Appeals said: | Nov 25 18:56 |
| cubexyz | The court ruled that the no-patenting-math rule doesn't apply if the math in question complicated enough that 'as a practical matter, the use of a computer is required' to perform the calculations. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| cubexyz | Von Neumann architecture means that data and instructions are stored in the same memory | Nov 25 18:59 |
| cubexyz | so a Von Neumann computer, which is basically all computers we use, is like that | Nov 25 19:00 |
| msb__ | I guess that court ruling knocks out Roy's strategy. | Nov 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | strategy? | Nov 25 19:00 |
| msb__ | That math isn't patentable. | Nov 25 19:00 |
| cubexyz | there's a lot of wiggle room there | Nov 25 19:01 |
| cubexyz | you could argue a program that finds the first 1 million primes is complicated enough to require the use of a computer 'as a practical matter' | Nov 25 19:02 |
| cubexyz | it's not a great argument | Nov 25 19:02 |
| cubexyz | practically speaking, software patents are a mess | Nov 25 19:03 |
| msb__ | They should still be banned because any programming problem, when stated clearly, can be solved by a person skilled in the art. | Nov 25 19:04 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft tried to patent sudo | Nov 25 19:04 |
| cubexyz | so the US Patent Office is clueless, I think Microsoft got the patent | Nov 25 19:05 |
| msb__ | There's also usually lots of prior art. | Nov 25 19:06 |
| cubexyz | the Microsoft sudo patent was narrowly framed to a GUI, not the concept | Nov 25 19:07 |
| cubexyz | still, it's stupid | Nov 25 19:07 |
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| msb__ | One of the main requirements of patentability there is that the invention being patented is not obvious, meaning that a "person having ordinary skill in the art" (PHOSITA) would not know how to solve the problem at which the invention is directed by using exactly the same mechanism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obviousness#United_States | Nov 25 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Inventive step and non-obviousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 25 19:10 | |
| msb__ | With that plus prior art, almost all swpats should be invalid. | Nov 25 19:11 |
| msb__ | The math thing isn't necessary. | Nov 25 19:12 |
| msb__ | But programs and web pages are still math. 8^) | Nov 25 19:12 |
| msb__ | I just found two great Art Carney movies -- The Late Show and Harry and Tonto -- both on usenet. I am a happy camper! | Nov 25 19:14 |
| msb__ | Most programs for Von Neumann computers are not self-modifying, although compilers create machine code which is then executed. | Nov 25 19:19 |
| msb__ | But LISP was designed to be self-modifying to begin with, which is how LISP programs become very intelligent and send out tendrils that go up your spine and into your brain, and take over, or at least share your body. | Nov 25 19:20 |
| cubexyz | we wrote self-modifying code on the C64 | Nov 25 19:21 |
| msb__ | In what language? | Nov 25 19:21 |
| cubexyz | assembly language | Nov 25 19:21 |
| msb__ | What was that, a 6502? | Nov 25 19:21 |
| cubexyz | 6510, it's very similar | Nov 25 19:22 |
| cubexyz | any memory location can be written to | Nov 25 19:22 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, once the tendrils are in, it wants multiple named virtual desktops. | Nov 25 19:23 |
| msb__ | What did your self-modifying code do? | Nov 25 19:24 |
| cubexyz | it did something with sound... can't remember exactly | Nov 25 19:24 |
| msb__ | I wrote the ultimate self-modifying program for the LINC computer -- Collossus the Bilk Project. I set aside most of RAM for the SM program, and the rest for a self-interpreter that would execute the instructions in there, except it wouldn't halt and wouldn't modify the interpreter. Then I turned it on. | Nov 25 19:29 |
| msb__ | The first thing I did was to type in: Is there a god? Of course it responded: NOW there is! | Nov 25 19:29 |
| cubexyz | that's why we have Strong AI! | Nov 25 19:30 |
| cubexyz | wait... except we don't :) | Nov 25 19:31 |
| cubexyz | there's some pretty good chatbots though | Nov 25 19:31 |
| msb__ | Just kidding. but LINC had a display instruction that would put a dot on the screen with the y coordinate in the accumulator, and the x coordinate in an index register. I swear it made patterns like EEG graphs. | Nov 25 19:31 |
| cubexyz | was LINC a souped up PDP-8? | Nov 25 19:32 |
| cubexyz | the instruction set was different was it not? | Nov 25 19:32 |
| msb__ | It had a different instruction set, easier to program. There was also the LINC-8 that could do both. | Nov 25 19:32 |
| cubexyz | or was it before the PDP-8? | Nov 25 19:33 |
| msb__ | Don't know which came first. | Nov 25 19:33 |
| cubexyz | oh cool | Nov 25 19:33 |
| cubexyz | doh I forgot I documented all this | Nov 25 19:36 |
| cubexyz | ok, DEC LINC (1962) was first, then PDP-8 (1965), then LINC-8 (1966) | Nov 25 19:36 |
| cubexyz | then the PDP-12 (1969) which was an improved LINC-8 | Nov 25 19:38 |
| cubexyz | the LINC-8 computer would be very collectable | Nov 25 19:39 |
| cubexyz | mag core memory, if I recall right | Nov 25 19:40 |
| msb__ | They were all core. LINC was great. It had A/D, D/A, knobs you could turn to adjust parameters (on A/D channels), an plug-in modules so you could interface your own circuits to it. | Nov 25 19:42 |
| msb__ | It had silver toggle switches for loading address and data, and you could just run your finger across them to set them all to 1 or 0. And lighted pushb | Nov 25 19:43 |
| msb__ | pushbuttons, one of which said "MARK". | Nov 25 19:43 |
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| msb__ | It had a speed control and an audio monitor (or maybe we added that). | Nov 25 19:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GOL, Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669675432346828800 | Nov 25 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @KrapulaPhD @FOSSpatents I think they know quite well. Their delegates, at least. | Nov 25 19:44 | |
| msb__ | I remember when we installed the jump to subroutine instruction. | Nov 25 19:44 |
| msb__ | I built a light-pen for it. | Nov 25 19:45 |
| msb__ | It was the ultimate personal computer for a person who liked software and electronics. | Nov 25 19:46 |
| msb__ | I wrote a binocular 3D display program for it, and used a knob to adjust the interocular distance. | Nov 25 19:48 |
| msb__ | If I don't learn how to do graphics in X pretty soon, I'm going to be very ashamed of myself. | Nov 25 19:51 |
| cubexyz | yeah really :) | Nov 25 19:51 |
| cubexyz | at one time, you were way ahead of us :) | Nov 25 19:51 |
| msb__ | Computers can do an infinite number of things. We each follow our own path. | Nov 25 19:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml | Nov 25 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 25 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Criticizing the patent system for bad patents may result in fewer approved patents which will result in fewer inventions and less innovation because everyone knows that the number of approved patents is a good metric for measuring how inventive and innovative we are." | Nov 25 19:53 |
| schestowitz | "and if you disagree with the metric mentioned above then how else are we supposed to measure innovation and inventiveness and progress? The number of patents approved provides us with an objective quantitative metric that can be counted." | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not that "...many people here distrust Florian Mueller". | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | To distrust is to suppose that there exists something that some would claim is worthy of trust. Mr. Mueller is not that thing. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | 2011: https://therealmadhatter.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-provenance-of-florian-muller/ | Nov 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therealmadhatter.wordpress.com | The Provenance of Florian Müller – Updated | Through the Looking Glass – link | Nov 25 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2012: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120419070127103 | Nov 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Oracle and Florian Mueller Got Hitched ~ pj | Nov 25 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2013: http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/03/google-about-to-lose-patent-spat-with.html | Nov 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Google about to lose patent spat with Microsoft: German court inclined to ban Google Maps | Nov 25 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2014: http://fortune.com/2014/04/03/whats-eating-florian-mueller/ | Nov 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortune.com | What’s eating Florian Mueller? - Fortune | Nov 25 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | He's a worm hoping that the body he infests will rise to the top. Thus far he's bet wrong. In the process he's misled the press, the courts, and public opinion. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing there to distruct because there's nothing there to trust. Florian is a gambler and he's playing on his own table with his own dice and his own rules. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | "" | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | so does tarring and feathering... how about we start playing some tit for tat? Maybe they will figure it all out then? | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Naw who am I trying to kid here... government fucks think only in terms of authority and peasantry. We just need to do as told. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | makes me think that perhaps his interpretation hits closer to home than I originally believed | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | ding-dong goes the bell here. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | > In fact, to argue that Schestowitz's post is defamatory is crazy. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Indeed. Given their police and court immunity, covert surveillance and other powers, it's not so much defamation as blasphemy. | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Re: Re: Re: | Nov 25 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Isn't science all about quantifiability? Number of patents granted is a quantifiable number. It's science. | Nov 25 19:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "There are not a lot of reasons to want to prevent someone from voicing an argument you know to be false. If censoring it were somehow easier than just explaining how you know it's false, and you are lazy, maybe but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case in any lawsuit.' | Nov 25 19:55 |
| msb__ | While stupid swpats may prevent big companies from doing things, they won't inhibit FOSS people, any more than copyrights inhibit "piracy". | Nov 25 19:59 |
| msb__ | What stupid swpats _will_ do is teach people that governments are often so stupid and evil that it's good and necessary to be an outlaw sometimes. | Nov 25 20:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/6YVcTEePxQ | Nov 25 20:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 25 20:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/6YVcTEePxQ' | Nov 25 20:00 | |
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| cubexyz | msb__, I found xlib programming to be fairly straightforward | Nov 25 20:04 |
| cubexyz | I find that younger developers are more KDE/QT or GTK oriented | Nov 25 20:04 |
| cubexyz | at least on the Linux side of things | Nov 25 20:05 |
| msb__ | The US and its allies have been using Islamic head-choppers/clit-cutters to wreck nations they couldn't control and enslave -- Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Serbia. That's as evil and stupid as it's possible to get. | Nov 25 20:05 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Thanks, I will check them all out. | Nov 25 20:06 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the 3d stuff I did was straight xlib: | Nov 25 20:07 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/archimedean.html | Nov 25 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubeman.org | The Archimedean Solids | Nov 25 20:08 | |
| cubexyz | I can't imagine doing that on the older computers I had... they were just too slow and had low resolution graphics | Nov 25 20:09 |
| msb__ | Nice! | Nov 25 20:11 |
| cubexyz | of course even the c64 would have been able to do some simple wireframe graphics | Nov 25 20:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855483 | Nov 25 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "what could be done with the £175 billion admitted cost of Trident, if we lived in a society with less crazed values" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/11/british-values/ | Nov 25 20:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » British Values | Nov 25 20:12 | |
| cubexyz | but the c64 didn't really have any built-in graphical functions to speak of | Nov 25 20:13 |
| msb__ | I hope Carl Sagan is sailing among the stars in a dodecahedron ship, smoking a joint. | Nov 25 20:14 |
| cubexyz | and "high resolution" was 320x200 with 2 colours | Nov 25 20:16 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that compares to the LINC :) | Nov 25 20:16 |
| msb__ | LINC was mono. | Nov 25 20:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854986 | Nov 25 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnu-org-website-says-microsoft-s-software-is-malware-496689.shtml technically correct. #microsoft #windows | Nov 25 20:20 | |
| schestowitz | "They must know.' | Nov 25 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware | Nov 25 20:20 | |
| schestowitz | "de acuerdo con la fsf…" | Nov 25 20:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854814 | Nov 25 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I estimate that there are currently ~40 #epo stories in the pipeline and the queue grows bigger faster than I can 'pop' it. Keep it coming. | Nov 25 20:21 | |
| schestowitz | "Release them slowly, people has only so many fucks to give." | Nov 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | My analysis and composition pace is limited also | Nov 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | LOL, patent lawyer: https://twitter.com/MorinvillePaul/status/669689662370390017 | Nov 25 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MorinvillePaul: @CandidCanon @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Gene is understandibly showing his frustration with an entrenched imbicile. | Nov 25 20:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854759 | Nov 25 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trees are bald, everywhere it's cold, and all I have left are my cups of tea. Not sure whether to write many #epo articles or #freesw links | Nov 25 20:33 | |
| schestowitz | "EPO? Like the stuff Lance Armstrong took to win the tours?" | Nov 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office | Nov 25 20:33 |
| MinceR | 6:) | Nov 25 20:33 |
| MinceR | s/6// | Nov 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854796 | Nov 25 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too tired for writing. So focus will be on #gnu #linux - day off tomorrow, so plenty of time to work on #epo articles! | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | "👍" | Nov 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | "yeah, solving a webpage is simple. That’s why everyone does it simply." | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://medium.com/medium-eng/why-contenteditable-is-terrible-122d8a40e480#.i3bs72fss | Nov 25 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Why ContentEditable is Terrible — Medium Engineering — Medium | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855102 | Nov 25 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669584590164484096 what happens when non-programmers speak about software | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how programmers always say software is math but they can't ever solve or reduce a simple webpage or software program of their choice. | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6853666 | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | "I like the bastards part." | Nov 25 20:36 |
| cubexyz | can I ban ipwatchdog? :) | Nov 25 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Nov 25 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah | Nov 25 20:37 |
| schestowitz | from where? | Nov 25 20:37 |
| cubexyz | my screen :) | Nov 25 20:37 |
| cubexyz | I think if I see "solve a web page" one more time my brain will explode | Nov 25 20:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KevinCarson1/status/669628630100676608 https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669690492032913408 | Nov 25 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KevinCarson1: How the Gates Foundation Fucks Up Everything It Touches https://t.co/r7RkFaor1N | Nov 25 20:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | How the Gates Foundation Reflects the Good and the Bad of “Hacker Philanthropy” | Nov 25 20:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 I think @schestowitz would like this. Although your tweet would be an apt title for the article. | Nov 25 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669692388944707585 | Nov 25 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used. | Nov 25 20:47 | |
| cubexyz | programming is problem solving also | Nov 25 20:47 |
| MinceR | would be nice if they didn't try to make the gate$ foundation look like it has anything to do with hackers | Nov 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/azurelogicapp/status/669693138131251200 | Nov 25 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@azurelogicapp: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used. | Nov 25 20:48 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854888 | Nov 26 06:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #microsoft -led PR campaign is a success. A lot of people now associate #freesw and #linux with "not secure"; lies by omission/focus. | Nov 26 06:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Well, they saw it didn’t work when aiming at IT people years ago, all that FUD basically backfired but yeah, average people are scared (now the thing I use is a fallacious argument “I’m into IT and you are not, let me tell you how better I know” kind. Surprisingly efficient)" | Nov 26 06:33 |
| r_schestowitz | hi, A_Friend | Nov 26 06:33 |
| A_Friend | Dear Dr. Schestowitz, I don' t always agree with your opinions, conclusions and comments. But your focus on what is going kn at the EPO is remarkable. If needed, I'll be happy to support you in you dispute with the EPO. | Nov 26 06:35 |
| r_schestowitz | thank you | Nov 26 06:36 |
| A_Friend | Like FOSS patents suggested. Keep up the good work. | Nov 26 06:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I doubt they'll take any legal action | Nov 26 06:36 |
| r_schestowitz | partly because of backlash | Nov 26 06:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I have some more EPO articles coming today | Nov 26 06:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I just need to prioritise and decide what goes next | Nov 26 06:36 |
| A_Friend | looking forward to the next articles and to help if I am aware or in pssession of interesting documents. | Nov 26 06:37 |
| A_Friend | Bye now. | Nov 26 06:38 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Nov 26 06:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I will mention publicly if I need something | Nov 26 06:39 |
| r_schestowitz | in social media or in articles | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Introducing the Fedora Cinnamon Spin | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AuoxNrJ8yn (fedoramagazine.org) | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnk1 | Nov 26 06:39 |
| r_schestowitz | right now I want to see the CRG contract, some people have it | Nov 26 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-23-cinnamon-spin/ ) | Nov 26 06:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines openSUSE Leap 42.1 + Cinnamon, XFCE, or Budgie | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | = GeckoLinux https://t.co/ORmYJbQTfu | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (geckolinux.github.io) | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnk2 | Nov 26 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geckolinux.github.io | GeckoLinux by geckolinux | Nov 26 06:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | probably too high up people to take the risk of leaking | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackArch Linux ISO Images Updated with Over | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 100 New Tools, Multilib Support | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ge0IQLQzTw (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnk3 | Nov 26 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | BlackArch Linux ISO Images Updated with over 100 New Tools, Multilib Support | Nov 26 06:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | it might also be useful to know the name of the CRG people 'assigned' to EPO work | Nov 26 06:40 |
| r_schestowitz | as that can help correlate them to their past activities, e.g. Iraq and Afghanistan | Nov 26 06:40 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @theworldofdavo favourited 'Switch Galaxy Ultra, a fast-paced arcade racer now...' | Nov 26 06:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NewsCoverUp/status/669843488784142336 | Nov 26 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NewsCoverUp: @schestowitz Hey Doc fine! Could you tell me wich Phone & Tablet Best to Work with Linux Ubuntu? | Nov 26 06:44 | |
| -->arossdotme (~zxy@host-92-11-94-15.as43234.net) has joined #techrights | Nov 26 06:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @GreenManLoaded favourited 'Switch Galaxy Ultra, a fast-paced arcade racer now...' | Nov 26 06:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | or a very unionized country like Germany, | Nov 26 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 26 06:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | this is a HUGE mindfuck | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | if you work for the EPO you are officially a minion, | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | the EPONIA King has EU immunity (and international too?!?) | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | and you signed your EU rights away in the contract | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/eponia-state-of-mind.html | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.epo.org/about-us/ jobs/why/salary-benefits.html | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | they even have their own school inside GERMANY, outside the German brainwash schooling system | Nov 26 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.il | The IPKat: Eponia: a State of mind? | Nov 26 06:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://esmunich.de/en/home.html | Nov 26 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - About us | Nov 26 06:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esmunich.de | ESM - Home | Nov 26 06:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | the bastard Frankenstein of the Eurocrats | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | EPOnia is not a "government agency", it is legally a Kingdom above the EU countries, it is a tyranny with ZERO accountability... | Nov 26 06:57 |
| r_schestowitz | legal- wise | Nov 26 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | here in Germany they fuck their employees in so many ways... and it is all legal; | Nov 26 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | German employer rules or any other EU country do not apply inside EPOnia | Nov 26 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140731/04000928065/welcome-to-eponia-europes-new-rogue-state.sht ml | Nov 26 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 06:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Welcome to Eponia, Europe's New Rogue State? | Techdirt | Nov 26 06:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "There are not a lot of reasons to want to prevent someone from voicing an argument you know to be false. If censoring it were somehow easier than just explaining how you know it's false, and you are lazy, maybe but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case in any lawsuit." | Nov 26 06:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855463 | Nov 26 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch the film #algorithm right now. It's not for a mainstream audience, but it's a good film. | Nov 26 07:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Does it have to be now? :<<" | Nov 26 07:08 |
| r_schestowitz | For mainstream = higher budget | Nov 26 07:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, | Nov 26 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapcraft 2.0 In Plan for Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 26 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pRW0naxK0M (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 07:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnlv | Nov 26 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, Snapcraft 2.0 Planned for Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 26 07:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854832 | Nov 26 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Well, could be worse. @Control_Risks ('British Blackwater') serves the 'heads' of people. Others serve fingers http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers | Nov 26 07:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | A lot of killers turn family man and pleasant neightbour when they come back to safe environment. Conditionnement, group dynamic, stress and nasty environment are part of the monster | Nov 26 07:19 |
| r_schestowitz | Of course, some of them like the monster they were, and won’t change. Most of these destroy themselves (drugs, jail, suicide…), but those surviving are like mad dogs in a nursery | Nov 26 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | US news | The Guardian | Nov 26 07:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | ^ QUOTE | Nov 26 07:19 |
| r_schestowitz | The toll of foreign policy like that in Vietnam (legacy lives on to date) | Nov 26 07:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Holiday tech support: 5 tips for Android phones | Nov 26 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/atMHkmaRx7 (www.theverge.com) | Nov 26 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnmw | Nov 26 07:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Holiday tech support: 5 tips for Android phones | The Verge | Nov 26 07:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be the | Nov 26 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | World's First $8 Computer | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GgxwV3Owsv (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnmx | Nov 26 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will Be the World's First $8 Computer | Nov 26 07:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based on | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3 | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B6a4w58e3w (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnmy | Nov 26 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | CruxEX 3.2 64-Bit Linux Live OS Is Based on CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3 | Nov 26 07:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Linux https://t.co/qGPtnzojdj | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com) | Nov 26 07:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnn0 | Nov 26 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com | Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with Linux | Nov 26 07:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with...' | Nov 26 07:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be the World's...' | Nov 26 07:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based...' | Nov 26 07:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia | Nov 26 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Creator Tool for Making Live CDs | Nov 26 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CmH4otI8sM (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnnd | Nov 26 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia Creator Tool for Making Live CDs | Nov 26 07:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System | Nov 26 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Linux https://t.co/25iHeixDb1 | Nov 26 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnne | Nov 26 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 26 07:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/LTkxsyU5iY | Nov 26 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnnx | Nov 26 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 26 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp (thevarguy.com) | Nov 26 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnny | Nov 26 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Linux Foundation Explains a "World without Linux" and Open Source | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Nov 26 07:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp' | Nov 26 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Foundation Explains a "World without | Nov 26 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux" and Open Source https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp | Nov 26 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Nov 26 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnnz | Nov 26 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Android Black Friday 2015 Deals | Nov 26 07:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gHPREpEgQD (www.gottabemobile.com) | Nov 26 07:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obno3 | Nov 26 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | Best Android Black Friday 2015 Deals | Nov 26 07:43 | |
| -->liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-85-248.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Nov 26 07:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap | Nov 26 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Architecture, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Nov 26 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/W1BldwZjVr (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnoh | Nov 26 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap Architecture, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Nov 26 07:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New...' | Nov 26 07:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes | Nov 26 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Advantage Of OpenGL 3 On The GPU | Nov 26 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wXMSBYDOo2 (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 26 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/y59Z0vg7wz (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnoo | Nov 26 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage Of OpenGL 3 On The GPU - Phoronix | Nov 26 07:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition Beta Is Out, Download Now for Ubuntu and Windows | Nov 26 07:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage...' | Nov 26 08:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch | Nov 26 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | High and Critical Security Issues | Nov 26 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/l92bZ40kQR (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnqm | Nov 26 08:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and Critical Security Issues | Nov 26 08:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/669863942840295427 | Nov 26 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz We've had Win 10 IoT running on PIs, just for shits and giggles, but ofc it's a very different beast to full fat. | Nov 26 08:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nokia’s first flagship Android phone | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XQNQg6Cwjl (bgr.com) back to | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux? https://t.co/a6y3455Kdp (techrights.org) | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnre | Nov 26 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Nokia C1 rumors: Questionable render pops up, shows Android and Win10 | BGR | Nov 26 08:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights | Nov 26 08:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SnFPbAw0kQ (blog.qt.io) | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnrf | Nov 26 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released - Qt Blog | Nov 26 08:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PozRpl4twd (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnrg | Nov 26 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 08:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a | Nov 26 08:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | seasoned Arch user? https://t.co/nD6qFzvnEE | Nov 26 08:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.itworld.com) | Nov 26 08:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnrh | Nov 26 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a seasoned Arch user? | ITworld | Nov 26 08:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/669872249806200832 | Nov 26 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/AysUh0Xn0W https://t.co/lKEVSvu66l | Nov 26 08:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Opensource.com thanks the open source community | Opensource.com | Nov 26 08:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/GARtEQqtKs | Nov 26 08:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669874132096446465 | Nov 26 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: I'm running #GOME3 on #Debian Sid w/o #systemd—using placebo 'systemd-shims'—all as placebo for @_Enlightenment_ ;-) https://t.co/HIuXgJ4VpR | Nov 26 08:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Will You Be Able To Run a Modern Desktop Environment In 2016 Without Systemd? https://t.co/kD0N3NDtm4 #systemd #redhat | Nov 26 08:47 | |
| cubexyz | answer: yes | Nov 26 08:48 |
| msb_ | Devuan and Trinity, hopefully. | Nov 26 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux MX-15 in Beta 2 will ship in 32 and 64 | Nov 26 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bit versions. https://t.co/2KEm8wUTFn | Nov 26 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.mepiscommunity.org) | Nov 26 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vP0FwizCry | Nov 26 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mepiscommunity.org | MX Linux | MX & Mepis Community | Nov 26 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk) | Nov 26 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk | La Esquina de un Migrante a Linux: Good News! | Nov 26 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nokia’s first flagship Android phone | Nov 26 08:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Nov 26 08:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jRcS1Md3E6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 08:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnsp | Nov 26 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nokia’s first flagship Android phone purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Tux Machines | Nov 26 08:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Nov 26 08:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OOn0Wz6Dbp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 08:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnsr | Nov 26 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Tux Machines | Nov 26 08:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.html | Nov 26 09:11 |
| r_schestowitz | "https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml#comments" | Nov 26 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: EPO labor dispute getting completely out of hand: three union leaders suspended, others pressured | Nov 26 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 26 09:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 09:11 |
| r_schestowitz | and let's not forget the suicides... | Nov 26 09:11 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/08/27/epo-suicides-endemic/ | Nov 26 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Another Suicide at the EPO, Fifth by Our Count | Techrights | Nov 26 09:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669878619343319040 | Nov 26 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Mind you, it might be my first thanksgiving. Because of the turkey of course. (oh well, poor animals...). | Nov 26 09:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I consider becoming vegan | Nov 26 09:15 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669879322316922880 | Nov 26 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Same here. Ppl from #Chicomoztocah [7 Caves] don't celebrate that; #huexolotl ['turkey'] is just part of foodstuff: https://t.co/hKAQ7eGZRi | Nov 26 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We don't celebrate #thanksgiving here, but this morning we had some turkey for breakfast. A little symbolic. Bought it last night. | Nov 26 09:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3FkvbfKPo3 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 09:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Tux Machines | Nov 26 09:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Nov 26 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MSJjquiwzM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnul | Nov 26 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Tux Machines | Nov 26 09:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Nov 26 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kaB2pPve56 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnum | Nov 26 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Tux Machines | Nov 26 09:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669884640459624449 | Nov 26 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Just wait... he's gonna get out of the bloody car at some point anyway, right? | Nov 26 10:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | He has too high a view of himself | Nov 26 10:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, | Nov 26 10:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | Nov 26 10:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VH1jMCzksO (techrights.org) | Nov 26 10:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/lzkhxO09Ir | Nov 26 10:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnx4 | Nov 26 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | Techrights | Nov 26 10:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 26 10:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/hH9prCOb7x | Nov 26 10:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 10:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 26 10:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/o1WJ6fITQw | Nov 26 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnxu | Nov 26 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 26 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Nov 26 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Tux Machines | Nov 26 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines French public sector still a large user of Free | Nov 26 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software (PAC) https://t.co/AzjZKdI51m | Nov 26 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | French public sector still a large user of Free Software (PAC) | Tux Machines | Nov 26 10:20 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, ...' | Nov 26 11:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia...' | Nov 26 12:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and...' | Nov 26 12:16 | |
| r_schestowitz | " Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth (Matthew, 5:5)" | Nov 26 12:18 |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448558110913 | Nov 26 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions | Nov 26 12:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | " Cursèd is the suepo leadership, for they shall be cast into the wilderness (Benoît, 11:2015)" | Nov 26 12:18 |
| r_schestowitz | LOL | Nov 26 12:18 |
| r_schestowitz | "Help yourself if you like any of this.' | Nov 26 12:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Just got a guest post | Nov 26 12:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "This is just one guy's opinion..." | Nov 26 12:23 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/669943226539876352 | Nov 26 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Software is algorithms, you pass values into the algorithms to get the Solutions!!!!! @danielnazer | Nov 26 13:48 | |
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| MinceR | https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12278917_1696176237281352_6433014407762370004_n.jpg?oh=0480eeabb922a7571d26fc5786dd5c2a&oe=56F6EA93 | Nov 26 14:25 |
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| r_schestowitz | Putitin in the turkey | Nov 26 14:27 |
| MinceR | don't putitin the turkey, that's gross | Nov 26 14:29 |
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| msb_ | According to RT, Russian aircraft pounded the Turkmen (sp?) head-chopper allies of Turkey who fired on the SU-24 pilots in their chutes and blew up a Russian rescue helicopter using an American TOW missile. | Nov 26 14:41 |
| MinceR | and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sun | Nov 26 14:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Nov 26 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Samsung 850 SSDs https://t.co/0fCYdmSpBw | Nov 26 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 26 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oboe8 | Nov 26 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel On Samsung 850 SSDs - Phoronix | Nov 26 14:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping | Nov 26 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sZoNNWLXW5 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 14:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 14:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of | Nov 26 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features Planned https://t.co/bRV89ImHoc | Nov 26 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 14:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of Features Planned | Nov 26 14:48 | |
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| msb__ | Hmm, #techrights disappeared for 20 minutes, but now it's back. Anyone else see that? | Nov 26 15:06 |
| msb__ | Perhaps when MinceR's North Koreans landed on the surface of the Sun, it caused a tremendous disturbance in the Force. | Nov 26 15:11 |
| r_schestowitz | the channel? | Nov 26 15:12 |
| msb__ | Yes, the #techrights IRC channel. | Nov 26 15:12 |
| MinceR | freenode seems to be having issues | Nov 26 15:13 |
| r_schestowitz | there was a netsplit earlier | Nov 26 15:13 |
| r_schestowitz | affected all channels | Nov 26 15:13 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:46] <MinceR> and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sun | Nov 26 15:14 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think I ever saw English-speaking nkorean media | Nov 26 15:14 |
| r_schestowitz | I may have seen just one, but that was a very long time ago | Nov 26 15:14 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:29] <MinceR> don't putitin the turkey, that's gross | Nov 26 15:14 |
| r_schestowitz | Put it in the hog instead | Nov 26 15:14 |
| r_schestowitz | !google cameron pig | Nov 26 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Piggate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate | Nov 26 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - David Cameron publicly denies Lord Ashcroft pig allegation for first ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/27/david-cameron-denies-lord-ashcroft-allegations-call-me-dave-dead-pig | Nov 26 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cameron's Pig (@CameronPig) | Twitter | https://twitter.com/cameronpig%3Flang%3Den | Nov 26 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Why Your David Cameron Pig Joke Is Completely Missing the Point ... | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/09/david-cameron-pig-piers-gaveston | Nov 26 15:15 |
| msb__ | IRC got kinda funky for me a couple of months and has stayed that way. Now all channels show "lag unknown" instead of giving lag in milliseconds. | Nov 26 15:15 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe irc client issues | Nov 26 15:15 |
| r_schestowitz | mine shows lag | Nov 26 15:15 |
| msb__ | I've been using konversation 1.3.1 from kde 4.6 for years. Haven't changed it. Have restarted it many times. Could be my ISP Comcast. | Nov 26 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Nov 26 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/TvkiROog5h (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obogd | Nov 26 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:19 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @HardwareNewz followed @tuxmachines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
| cubexyz | hmm, seems to work OK for me | Nov 26 15:20 |
| cubexyz | aside from the usual net splits | Nov 26 15:20 |
| msb__ | Momentarily showed lag 177ms, then switched back to lag unknown. | Nov 26 15:20 |
| cubexyz | no interruptions for me so far | Nov 26 15:20 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, yes now I see it | Nov 26 15:21 |
| cubexyz | just wasn't looking at the screen during that time | Nov 26 15:21 |
| cubexyz | there was a net split | Nov 26 15:21 |
| cubexyz | ok.. it's official... longest uptime ever for FC1: 384 days | Nov 26 15:22 |
| cubexyz | that passes my openbsd record of 382 days | Nov 26 15:23 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: I was actually going to phone you up, but then the channel came back. | Nov 26 15:24 |
| msb__ | I'd like to see a picture of your lab, showing all the computers. | Nov 26 15:25 |
| cubexyz | they aren't all in the same room :) | Nov 26 15:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dying Light's DLC The Following will be on | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, price set to rise soon | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/S80d5gQN76 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 26 15:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Dying Light's DLC The Following will be on Linux, price set to rise soon | GamingOnLinux | Nov 26 15:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Give back and support open source | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PFq2DbMWil (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obogv | Nov 26 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Give back and support open source | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:26 | |
| cubexyz | anyways there just a bunch of boring towers and desktops | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Samsung 850 SSDs https://t.co/kKRzRcoAeH | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel On Samsung 850 SSDs | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features Planned https://t.co/2SfsqrY8YH | Nov 26 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of Features Planned | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:27 | |
| cubexyz | the only semi-interesting thing is q4os | Nov 26 15:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-trinity-2015.png | Nov 26 15:30 |
| cubexyz | or KDE with plan9: | Nov 26 15:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png | Nov 26 15:32 |
| msb__ | I envision a central cockpit with a hydraulic power-chair and about nine 36" screens. | Nov 26 15:32 |
| cubexyz | the reality is somewhat more mundane | Nov 26 15:33 |
| cubexyz | you're still thinking about The Matrix :) | Nov 26 15:34 |
| msb__ | Or a B5 WhiteStar. | Nov 26 15:34 |
| cubexyz | the boring reality: | Nov 26 15:39 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/boring-computer-setup.png | Nov 26 15:40 |
| cubexyz | ssh into 6 machines, along with the chromebook, zaurus, amiga, and another stack of machines which are either broken or even more obsolete | Nov 26 15:41 |
| cubexyz | there's a whole room just filled with parts | Nov 26 15:42 |
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| msb__ | Someone should create Vorlon Linux. Infinitely powerful, but behind its Encounter Shell no one knows exactly what it's doing. | Nov 26 15:45 |
| cubexyz | a pity I didn't keep the 286 | Nov 26 15:47 |
| cubexyz | but it would just be another boring box | Nov 26 15:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/futuretron-286.jpg | Nov 26 15:48 |
| cubexyz | only $2646 :) | Nov 26 15:48 |
| cubexyz | makes me wonder how much motherboards cost back in 1986 | Nov 26 15:50 |
| msb__ | When a dollar was worth a lot more than it is today. | Nov 26 15:50 |
| msb__ | I remember seeing ads like that, or very similar. | Nov 26 15:51 |
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| msb__ | Back then a 286 was state of the art. Probably as powerful as a good-size PDP-11, but much cheaper. | Nov 26 15:54 |
| msb__ | IBM was still revealing the BIOS code for its 286s. | Nov 26 15:55 |
| cubexyz | 8 mhz 286 with hercules graphics, I thought it was decent at the time | Nov 26 15:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping | Nov 26 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qUNez4HqWD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PA1yqKNrP0 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669981321456914432 | Nov 26 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: yes, I was struck by this too...sad; I used to respect the Guardian's journos...no one much left now https://t.co/5bbDaIXtOw | Nov 26 16:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #uk | Nov 26 16:01 | |
| cubexyz | for a comparison, a PPD-11/34 could do 495 drystones/sec | Nov 26 16:01 |
| cubexyz | that's a bit worse than a 286 :) | Nov 26 16:02 |
| cubexyz | a 6 mhz 286 could do 684 drystones/sec | Nov 26 16:02 |
| cubexyz | DEC got clobbered in that department | Nov 26 16:02 |
| msb__ | What did an 11/34 cost? | Nov 26 16:03 |
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| cubexyz | a PDP-11/73 with a KDJ11 15 mhz could do 981 dry/s | Nov 26 16:03 |
| cubexyz | the PDP-11/34 would be around $30K | Nov 26 16:05 |
| msb__ | And a 11/73? | Nov 26 16:05 |
| cubexyz | but remember that was back in 1976 | Nov 26 16:05 |
| cubexyz | ummm | Nov 26 16:07 |
| msb__ | I think an 11/70 was at least $100K. I remember being ushered in to see one used for molecular modelling. | Nov 26 16:08 |
| cubexyz | you could get the smaller microPDP-11/73 so I think the price was a lot lower | Nov 26 16:08 |
| cubexyz | maybe in the $20K range | Nov 26 16:08 |
| cubexyz | can't remember the prices on PDP-11/70 but yes, they were expensive | Nov 26 16:09 |
| cubexyz | but before the 1980s the PDP-11s were more viable | Nov 26 16:10 |
| cubexyz | in 1975-76 there was no microcomputers that could do what a PDP-11/70 could do | Nov 26 16:11 |
| msb__ | I think it was used for processing X-ray diffraction films of protein crystals, to determine the structure of protein molecules. Very important for molecular biology. People could figure out exactly how enzymes worked. | Nov 26 16:11 |
| msb__ | That's a Holy Grail of molecular biology. | Nov 26 16:12 |
| cubexyz | even now, a PDP-11/70 would cost some major bucks | Nov 26 16:12 |
| cubexyz | ok, by 1979 you could get a PDP-11/70 with 1 meg of ram for $43,700 | Nov 26 16:13 |
| msb__ | It had an enormous CRT display suspended from the ceiling. | Nov 26 16:13 |
| cubexyz | so there was a major price reduction | Nov 26 16:13 |
| cubexyz | original price: $93,000 so going over $100K would be easy with peripherals | Nov 26 16:13 |
| cubexyz | of course by 1979 you could get a VAX-11/780 instead | Nov 26 16:15 |
| msb__ | That was real Unix iron! | Nov 26 16:19 |
| cubexyz | I think the only PDP I ever used in a job was PDP-10 | Nov 26 16:19 |
| msb__ | Wonder how it compares with my dual core AMD from years ago, printed out like a postage stamp. | Nov 26 16:19 |
| cubexyz | even a DEC Alpha would have paled in comparison | Nov 26 16:20 |
| cubexyz | the old PDP-11s were just dinosaurs | Nov 26 16:21 |
| msb__ | But great instruction sets. | Nov 26 16:21 |
| cubexyz | vax780 was used by Bell Labs to make Unix v8 | Nov 26 16:22 |
| cubexyz | a microvax would be cool to have... someday I'll probably buy one :) | Nov 26 16:23 |
| cubexyz | but getting a working PDP-11/45 or PDP-11/70 would probably cost $3k to $5K | Nov 26 16:23 |
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| cubexyz | of course sometimes you can get lucky | Nov 26 16:25 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/669989241104048128 | Nov 26 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Being someone who has writen for Linux magazines for 15 years I can't argue with that. | Nov 26 16:25 | |
| cubexyz | someone gets tired of having all the old PDP-11s in the house and they will donate to some worthy successor | Nov 26 16:25 |
| msb__ | Those were the days of real computer/software engineering, like the race for the Moon. Now it's all "New Bullshit Linux 5.9 corrects 80,000 errors in KDE Plasma!" | Nov 26 16:25 |
| cubexyz | I still correct KDE errors :) | Nov 26 16:26 |
| cubexyz | just in old KDE though | Nov 26 16:26 |
| cubexyz | well a lot of the old Unix crowd is still around | Nov 26 16:27 |
| cubexyz | some of them are a bit anti-Linux actually | Nov 26 16:28 |
| cubexyz | but I heard Thompson uses Linux | Nov 26 16:29 |
| msb__ | I don't notice any KDE3 errors. Either I don't use those apps, or have substituted KDE4.6 versions, or I work around them without realizing it. | Nov 26 16:29 |
| cubexyz | some of the games have a few bugs, nothing serious | Nov 26 16:29 |
| msb__ | I can imagine old Unixers avoiding systemd! | Nov 26 16:30 |
| cubexyz | no doubt about that | Nov 26 16:31 |
| cubexyz | you can include me in that category :) | Nov 26 16:31 |
| msb__ | and me both. | Nov 26 16:31 |
| msb__ | The VUA in Devuan stands for Veteran Unix Admin. | Nov 26 16:33 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the old Unix folks went to BSD | Nov 26 16:35 |
| cubexyz | but there's more happening on the Linux side | Nov 26 16:36 |
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| cubexyz | I came out of video game/graphics development, so Linux was where there was more action | Nov 26 16:37 |
| cubexyz | there was some cross development to DEC Alpha and BSD but not very much | Nov 26 16:39 |
| cubexyz | Alpha and PPC | Nov 26 16:39 |
| cubexyz | that was back in 1999-2000 though... I haven't heard anything lately | Nov 26 16:39 |
| oiaohm | msb__: even the race to the moon was not without is computer issues. | Nov 26 16:40 |
| msb__ | Four major attacks on Linux, all around the same few years: 1. UEFI 2. systemd 3. SJWs 4. KDE4/5/Plasma with attacks on Trinity. "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_ What is _four_ times? | Nov 26 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Trinity really over time showed that the choice to major internal changes was kinda required. | Nov 26 16:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd would not have caused as much issue if consolekit/consolekit2 had been maintained. | Nov 26 16:44 |
| msb__ | The superb movie Apollo 13 (1995) shows a lot of computer stuff. | Nov 26 16:44 |
| oiaohm | Apollo 13 you have to remember that was the 13 mission. | Nov 26 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Scary enough every Apollo mission had something go wrong just Apollo 13 was the worst. | Nov 26 16:45 |
| oiaohm | UEFI has a long last started bring so Linux can update firmware. Before UEFI there were getting more and more motherboards where the only way to update firmware was boot to Windows. | Nov 26 16:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: My problem is before systemd and UEFI Linux was techically in trouble. Ok UEFI and Systemd have managed to bring as much trouble as they have fixed at this stage. | Nov 26 16:48 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: 1, no reason not to have qt3 and qt4 on the same machine 2. even just the init part of systemd is a godawful pile of shit http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ 3. my favorite mobo for an AMD 8-core can update (and download) firmware from/to a USB stick 4. Linux was not in trouble at all! 5. Who do you work for, anyhow? | Nov 26 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Nov 26 16:52 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: I did not say all motherboards had firmware update issues. Just we were getting more and more of them with Windows only Update programs. Some would support updating from USB key directly others did not. | Nov 26 16:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: UEFI 2.5 at long last defined a Universal interface for sending in new firmware. | Nov 26 16:57 |
| oiaohm | msb__: qt3 has a long list of security flaws linked to it. Unfortunatiy these are in fact design bugs that if you fix you break the old qt3 applications. | Nov 26 16:58 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So? Buy a good mobo or run a windows emulator to update the firmware. UEFI also prevented running Linux. Remember? | Nov 26 16:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: UEFI depends on the motherboard if it prevents Linux running or not. | Nov 26 16:58 |
| msb__ | qt3 works fine in KDE3, so if it's only used for that, no problem | Nov 26 16:59 |
| msb__ | Microsoft's _purpose_ in pushing UEFI was to prevent running Linux. Remember? | Nov 26 16:59 |
| oiaohm | qt3 single user on a system is fine. There is a issue with qt3 temp files. | Nov 26 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically qt3 based is screwed. | Nov 26 17:00 |
| msb__ | Strange that it works fine for me in kde3. | Nov 26 17:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: are you running multi user system requiring secuirity between them. | Nov 26 17:01 |
| msb__ | no, and neither are 99.9% of Linux users | Nov 26 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly the correct percentage. | Nov 26 17:02 |
| oiaohm | 80 percent of Linux desktop users are single. 20 percent shared setups. Schools/governments..... | Nov 26 17:02 |
| oiaohm | So there is quite a volume of Linux users effected by the qt3 issues. | Nov 26 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Trinity porting to qt4 for majority is one way of fixing the problem. | Nov 26 17:03 |
| oiaohm | At times particularly libraries has to die. | Nov 26 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantly in the qt3 case it was a heavily used library. | Nov 26 17:04 |
| oiaohm | There are a few things about UEFI that are interesting. UEFI is design to allow multi OS to be installed. So no more MBR fight stupidity. | Nov 26 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Not everything about UEFI was about being in Microsoft favor msb__ | Nov 26 17:05 |
| oiaohm | In fact most of UEFI is not in Microsoft favor. | Nov 26 17:06 |
| msb__ | Just enough of it to kill Linux! | Nov 26 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Before UEFI signing there were motherboards that if they detected a MBR that was not Microsoft they did not boot either. | Nov 26 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Linux was at theat of not being able to boot with or without UEFI existance. | Nov 26 17:08 |
| oiaohm | At least UEFI has allowed open arguement about it. | Nov 26 17:08 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so like it or not before UEFI trouble for Linux had appeared. Remember the ACPI tables that Microsoft gave to OEM that were so far broken they did not even work with newer versions of Windows. | Nov 26 17:10 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I know its hard to accept but Microsoft is not trying to just kill Linux but its also been attempt to prevent users from using old Windows on newer hardware and new windows on older hardware. | Nov 26 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Most reason that Microsoft has not had perfect success is ODM not playing along. Linux issue is ODM don't play along with anyone perfectly. | Nov 26 17:13 |
| oiaohm | msb__: at the moment I work doing solution consolting and maintaince. | Nov 26 17:14 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: It's not hard to accept at all. But you're saying that UEFI is fine because it allows arguing, even though it prevents running Linux without getting a key from goddamn Microshit. You argue like a lawyer -- distracting people's attention from big important issues by mentioning little insignificant ones. I know you can argue for hours, but I am not going to play your game anymore. Goodbye. | Nov 26 17:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have UEFI motherboards where you don't need a key from Microsoft at all. | Nov 26 17:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: In fact they don't have the Microsoft KEK out the box you have to use the provided USB key to inload that before you can install Windows. | Nov 26 17:18 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Its ODM that define what default keys will be in there Motherboards. | Nov 26 17:19 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: It is necessary to think carefully and see around your lying propaganda to realize that in many UEFI mobos a key from MS IS necessary. | Nov 26 17:20 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sorry I am not lying. | Nov 26 17:22 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot | Nov 26 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.ubuntu.com | SecurityTeam/SecureBoot - Ubuntu Wiki | Nov 26 17:22 | |
| oiaohm | MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement. | Nov 26 17:22 |
| oiaohm | You can order boards from Intel and Gigabyte with your own private KEK installed and no Microsoft KEK at all. | Nov 26 17:23 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You are lying by giving incomplete facts, which give people wrong ideas unless they know what you have omitted.] | Nov 26 17:23 |
| r_schestowitz | MS puff piece http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html?_r=0 | Nov 26 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/obop8 ] | Nov 26 17:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | I think I mentioned it last week | Nov 26 17:24 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So people who have already bought a computer with a MS key installed and not changeable will have to buy a new computer in order to run Linux. The LIE is that you did not mention that. | Nov 26 17:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: If you mean UEFI blobs for init hardware. From the start resigning them has always been possible. Later UEFI allows multi singing on blobs. | Nov 26 17:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: what you just said is the lie. | Nov 26 17:27 |
| oiaohm | MS Key is removable but you have todo it carefuly. | Nov 26 17:27 |
| oiaohm | It simpler to start off with a system without the MS Key because you don't have the issue of UEFI hardware init blobs being MS signed. | Nov 26 17:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: also Microsoft has signed boot shims for Linux. So even if you don't add a Ubuntu/redhat/own KEK it still possible to boot Linux. | Nov 26 17:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-windows-8-uefi-platform/ Also there is something more fun. | Nov 26 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hansenpartnership.com | Owning your Windows 8 UEFI Platform | James Bottomley's random Pages [ http://ur1.ca/cxzfo ] | Nov 26 17:32 | |
| MinceR | 232253 < oiaohm> MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement. | Nov 26 17:32 |
| MinceR | assuming that they allow you to replace the keys | Nov 26 17:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: If you kill the UEFI pk setting the UEFI boot process no longer gives a rats abotu signing until it has a new PK. | Nov 26 17:32 |
| MinceR | and even if you can, it will probably still kill booting from removable devices | Nov 26 17:33 |
| MinceR | who needs that, right? | Nov 26 17:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: removing the PK and disabling signing completely does not remove boot options. | Nov 26 17:33 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/article/do-it-pros-work-too-much-survey-says-yes/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | Nov 26 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Do IT pros work too much? Survey says 'Yes' | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/oboq5 ] | Nov 26 17:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Offshoring, automation, staff cuts, and long hours all combine to make for some very disgruntled workers in the IT business. To say that IT staffers are overworked is somewhat of an understatement. We've known it for years, but now we have the numbers to prove it. Spiceworks conducted a survey of IT pros that helps shed some light onto what's going on in IT." | Nov 26 17:34 |
| MinceR | well, i've read about at least one uefi implementation where just enabling Restricted Boot is sufficient to make it forbid booting from a removable device | Nov 26 17:34 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder if there's any guarantee that booting winblows just once on a uefi appliance won't be able to fuck up your key and place its own in its place | Nov 26 17:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot enabled restricted boot if the UEFI Motherboard has it PK cleared. | Nov 26 17:35 |
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| oiaohm | To enable restricted boot the board has to be Keyed. | Nov 26 17:35 |
| MinceR | and what about uefi implementations where you can't disable restricted boot? | Nov 26 17:35 |
| MinceR | (the ones m$ is preparing for with its vista10 logo requirements) | Nov 26 17:35 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/0jUrYcA.jpg | Nov 26 17:36 |
| oiaohm | To be correct windows 10 requirements is that restricted boot is on. Not that the motherboard cannot have restricted boot disabled. | Nov 26 17:37 |
| MinceR | then there were those "funny" uefi "computers" where you had to disconnect the hdd to even make it let you enter the uefi setup | Nov 26 17:37 |
| oiaohm | The process of updating the PK requires going to no key state. | Nov 26 17:37 |
| MinceR | yes, and previous requirements were that it must be possible to disable it | Nov 26 17:37 |
| MinceR | the only possible reason to remove that requirement is so that they can make "computers" where you can't disable it | Nov 26 17:37 |
| MinceR | and the next step will be to do what they did on arm: make it impossible to disable | Nov 26 17:37 |
| oiaohm | Even arm UEFI it possible to disable PK | Nov 26 17:38 |
| MinceR | sounds like it's impossible to update the PK | Nov 26 17:38 |
| MinceR | how do they get the vista8 sticker on those, then? | Nov 26 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note not being able to disable secureboot is one thing and deleting PK is another. | Nov 26 17:43 |
| oiaohm | There are some ASUS motherboards that show no disable option for secureboot but include an option to delete the PK that turns all signing off. | Nov 26 17:43 |
| MinceR | the better to screw the users | Nov 26 17:45 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much. | Nov 26 17:46 |
| oiaohm | It tricks users that secureboot cannot be turned off because while the MS KEK is installed they show the secureboot option as on and greyed out on disabling. | Nov 26 17:46 |
| oiaohm | After you nuke and replace the PK and KEK's with your own secureboot gets back its on off switch. | Nov 26 17:47 |
| oiaohm | and of course then ASUS will not back waranity. | Nov 26 17:47 |
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| MinceR | so asus screws pc users like they screw telephone and tablet users | Nov 26 17:50 |
| MinceR | classy | Nov 26 17:50 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not really. | Nov 26 17:51 |
| oiaohm | https://www.all4os.com/windows/disable-asus-motherboards-uefi-secure-boot.html | Nov 26 17:51 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Asus does include means to load in own PK and KEKs after you have nuked them. | Nov 26 17:52 |
| MinceR | but they terminate your warranty | Nov 26 17:52 |
| MinceR | just like they do on the Transformer Pad | Nov 26 17:52 |
| oiaohm | Depending on country. | Nov 26 17:52 |
| oiaohm | Australia we have fair trade protection. | Nov 26 17:53 |
| oiaohm | So they have to prove that the modification caused the failure. | Nov 26 17:53 |
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| oiaohm | Other countries not so lucky. | Nov 26 17:53 |
| oiaohm | Newer UEFI motherboards are getting better on including PK/KEK replacement tools. | Nov 26 17:54 |
| MinceR | and they're getting worse on letting the user easily disable restricted boot | Nov 26 17:55 |
| oiaohm | I kinda agree. Removing the PK has the same functional resualt of disabling restricted boot. | Nov 26 17:55 |
| oiaohm | The issue of course is Windows 10 is not going to boot without restricted boot. | Nov 26 17:56 |
| oiaohm | If it was installed with restricted boot. | Nov 26 17:56 |
| oiaohm | No valid PK equals no KEK's so system boots without doing any signature checking. | Nov 26 17:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note secureboot on off switch was not part of UEFI standard. The standard from the start to disable UEFI secure boot was remove PK. | Nov 26 17:58 |
| MinceR | fuck the standard | Nov 26 17:58 |
| MinceR | also, fuck uefi | Nov 26 17:58 |
| MinceR | i didn't ask to be locked out of the products i buy with my own money | Nov 26 17:59 |
| oiaohm | You are not locked out as long as you can remove the PK | Nov 26 17:59 |
| oiaohm | And replace it. | Nov 26 17:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long i will be allowed to do that | Nov 26 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Early UEFI ODM did not want you to be replacemnt PK at all. | Nov 26 18:01 |
| oiaohm | But of course Linux coders worked out how to make copies of the OEM key replacement tools. | Nov 26 18:01 |
| oiaohm | And the secureboot on/off option was that you could not replace the PK. | Nov 26 18:02 |
| oiaohm | By being able to replace the PK allows you to remove MS signing keys/any other signing keys and only allow items you approve of to run. | Nov 26 18:02 |
| MinceR | until most people get used to restricted boot and think the threat has passed | Nov 26 18:03 |
| MinceR | and then they take the next step | Nov 26 18:03 |
| MinceR | as usual | Nov 26 18:03 |
| MinceR | this is how they manipulate laws too | Nov 26 18:03 |
| MinceR | (acta, sopa, tpp, ...) | Nov 26 18:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember you use to have to use the boot program keytool to mess with the PK. | Nov 26 18:05 |
| MinceR | which you can't boot because the system is locked down | Nov 26 18:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: due to legal requirements Microsoft signed it. | Nov 26 18:06 |
| oiaohm | So even a locked down system it runs. | Nov 26 18:06 |
| oiaohm | Of course Microsoft did not sign it for arm. | Nov 26 18:06 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 26 18:07 |
| oiaohm | There are jtag was in on arm. | Nov 26 18:07 |
| MinceR | because the market of arm devices does not need to be a free one | Nov 26 18:07 |
| MinceR | let me guess... m$ can revoke that signature | Nov 26 18:07 |
| MinceR | and the revocation can be applied if someone boots winblows once, with an internet connection | Nov 26 18:07 |
| MinceR | or a new enough version that already knows it is to be revoked | Nov 26 18:08 |
| oiaohm | To be correct no if Microsoft puts out a revoke its a breach of competition law unless it a case that there is a newer version that Microsoft has already signed and the old version has some major flaw. | Nov 26 18:08 |
| MinceR | competition law, which is being enforced less and less | Nov 26 18:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem here is the ruling was granted. | Nov 26 18:09 |
| MinceR | did they get punished for vista10 changing default browser to ie and not letting other browsers change it? | Nov 26 18:09 |
| MinceR | antitrust law is practically unenforced in the usa and in the eu. | Nov 26 18:09 |
| MinceR | the world is getting planned economy back, but this time it's going to be ruled by megacorporations like microsoft. | Nov 26 18:10 |
| oiaohm | do check out newer UEFI x86 motherboards more carefully you will notice all of them include PK and KEK control options. | Nov 26 18:10 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Nov 26 18:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes secureboot option gone, but the import key control given to end users. | Nov 26 18:11 |
| oiaohm | Most likely for even. | Nov 26 18:11 |
| MinceR | how does import work? | Nov 26 18:11 |
| MinceR | do i type in the key, or insert a storage device with it? | Nov 26 18:11 |
| MinceR | or i have to boot something that manipulates it? | Nov 26 18:11 |
| oiaohm | insert on storage device because it too long to type in. | Nov 26 18:12 |
| oiaohm | To be correct key insert and delete control given to users. | Nov 26 18:12 |
| MinceR | does it have to be exfat or can it be ordinary fat? | Nov 26 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Has to be fat | Nov 26 18:13 |
| oiaohm | exfat is not exceptable. | Nov 26 18:13 |
| MinceR | wow | Nov 26 18:13 |
| MinceR | they're seriously missing some opportunities to screw the user here | Nov 26 18:13 |
| oiaohm | fat has been defined as UEFI file system. | Nov 26 18:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, intel pretends uefi is not a m$ "technology" | Nov 26 18:13 |
| MinceR | yet it insists on FAT and PE | Nov 26 18:13 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 26 18:19 |
| oiaohm | FAT was choosen because OS X, Linux, BSD, Windows can read/write that file system perfectly fine. Yes the reason why exfat is not acceptable is not all OS can process it. | Nov 26 18:20 |
| oiaohm | PE intel looked the wine project and saw the elf-pe wrapper. | Nov 26 18:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the one that is so far Microsoft its annoying is the cab file to update firmware. | Nov 26 18:21 |
| MinceR | speaking of the alleged enforcement of alleged competition laws, were any computers ever sold with winblows xp n edition preinstalled? | Nov 26 18:21 |
| MinceR | anywhere at all | Nov 26 18:21 |
| MinceR | or even offered for sale | Nov 26 18:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you mean the only thing that annoys _you_ | Nov 26 18:21 |
| MinceR | i'm annoyed by being forced to build my system on quicksand | Nov 26 18:22 |
| MinceR | (shitty m$ "technologies") | Nov 26 18:22 |
| MinceR | and no, wine is not a good excuse | Nov 26 18:22 |
| MinceR | those are just excuses to favor the formats of the company that refuses to be compatible with anybody: microsoft. | Nov 26 18:23 |
| oiaohm | https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh973604%28v=vs.85%29.aspx | Nov 26 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-msdn.microsoft.com | UEFI Firmware Signing - Windows 10 hardware dev | Nov 26 18:23 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly why do I have to use a cab instead of zip file. | Nov 26 18:23 |
| MinceR | because everything has to be m$ | Nov 26 18:23 |
| MinceR | in the m$ world | Nov 26 18:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the efi files come back individually signed. | Nov 26 18:23 |
| MinceR | where the governments of the world hand all the market to m$ (maybe playing an act of giving a bit to crApple, as the token "competition") | Nov 26 18:24 |
| MinceR | this is not a free market | Nov 26 18:24 |
| MinceR | this is not a market economy | Nov 26 18:24 |
| MinceR | this is not "capitalism" | Nov 26 18:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember if Microsoft was not using EFI getting motherboards supporting EFI would not have happened either. | Nov 26 18:30 |
| MinceR | well, it's their train wreck | Nov 26 18:31 |
| oiaohm | ODM have done horible things like broken ACPI and so on. | Nov 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | and uefi | Nov 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | and tpm | Nov 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | and intel boot guard | Nov 26 18:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI from start include the idea person would install more than 1 OS. | Nov 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 26 18:31 |
| oiaohm | It does. | Nov 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that's what m$' lawyers tell the court | Nov 26 18:31 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 26 18:31 |
| oiaohm | This is not MS Lawyers. | Nov 26 18:31 |
| MinceR | "you can install any OS you want, as long as it's windows" | Nov 26 18:32 |
| cubexyz | no BIOS source, no control of your own machine, it's that simple | Nov 26 18:32 |
| MinceR | it's worse than bios | Nov 26 18:33 |
| MinceR | especially bios versions before the war on the general purpose computer began | Nov 26 18:33 |
| MinceR | free enterprise... for the oligarchs and their friends | Nov 26 18:34 |
| MinceR | slavery for everyone else | Nov 26 18:34 |
| cubexyz | the only exception would be computers that predate BIOS like PDP-11 | Nov 26 18:36 |
| cubexyz | or a computer you built yourself from relays or TTL chips | Nov 26 18:36 |
| cubexyz | actually the older the BIOS the easier it is to understand | Nov 26 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smqGA5wdoeA | Nov 26 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Skype login screen will view text and images on Linux - YouTube | Nov 26 18:49 | |
| cubexyz | I've talked to AMI about orphan motherboards | Nov 26 18:51 |
| cubexyz | motherboards where the manufacturer is no longer in business | Nov 26 18:52 |
| cubexyz | they wanted $10K+ for the source code | Nov 26 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/infosecretwit/status/670027307487244288 | Nov 26 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@infosecretwit: The_Code_Shirts:RT schestowitz: #microsoft #skype not just nasty #spyware but #malware with back doors too. AVOID … https://t.co/i5emqpUij1 | Nov 26 18:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Skype is Spy Campaign - Techrights | Nov 26 18:55 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, hopefully the DOJ or Europeans will do another anti-trust case against Microsoft if things get worse | Nov 26 18:57 |
| MinceR | they never took such cases seriously | Nov 26 18:58 |
| MinceR | the EU valiantly forced m$ to offer versions of winblows without ie or media player... only as boxed versions (no preloads), for the same price | Nov 26 18:58 |
| MinceR | and practically nobody knew about it | Nov 26 18:58 |
| MinceR | the EU valiantly forced m$ to allow users to choose a browser to install and use | Nov 26 18:59 |
| MinceR | then m$ forced ie ("edge") as default in vista10 | Nov 26 18:59 |
| MinceR | and the EU said nothing about that | Nov 26 18:59 |
| MinceR | m$ was never seriously punished | Nov 26 18:59 |
| MinceR | practically no laptops are sold without winblows preinstalled in hungary | Nov 26 18:59 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks...? | Nov 26 18:59 |
| MinceR | there are 2 chromebook models offered | Nov 26 19:00 |
| cubexyz | the web browser selection thing was in win7 and win8? | Nov 26 19:02 |
| MinceR | not sure | Nov 26 19:02 |
| cubexyz | looks like all that is expired now | Nov 26 19:02 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 26 19:02 |
| MinceR | m$ is above the law | Nov 26 19:02 |
| schestowitz | not anymore | Nov 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | MS lost some of its political power | Nov 26 19:04 |
| cubexyz | so basically you are saying except for 2 chromebooks you can't avoid the windows tax on laptops | Nov 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | relative to other companies | Nov 26 19:04 |
| cubexyz | assuming you don't want OS X | Nov 26 19:05 |
| schestowitz | depends where you buy | Nov 26 19:05 |
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| cubexyz | pretty sure I can order more than 2 chromebooks online... checking now | Nov 26 19:06 |
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| MinceR | not sure | Nov 26 19:07 |
| MinceR | i could buy a dHell nSeries once | Nov 26 19:07 |
| MinceR | with FreeDOS | Nov 26 19:07 |
| MinceR | but it was garbage, with practically no warranty | Nov 26 19:07 |
| MinceR | nobody would sell an EeePC without winblows | Nov 26 19:07 |
| MinceR | nobody would sell a ThinkPad without winblows | Nov 26 19:07 |
| cubexyz | is the windows EEEPC the same price as the Linux EEEPC? | Nov 26 19:07 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 26 19:08 |
| MinceR | iirc the hw configuration was also different | Nov 26 19:08 |
| cubexyz | if so, it's just an inconvenience | Nov 26 19:08 |
| MinceR | no, not really | Nov 26 19:08 |
| MinceR | they hand m$ the tax they rob from me | Nov 26 19:08 |
| MinceR | which m$ in turn uses to destroy more of my rights | Nov 26 19:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, we did talk about Pitop and Novena | Nov 26 19:09 |
| cubexyz | so it's worth it to check on those periodically | Nov 26 19:09 |
| cubexyz | it seems these things take a lot time | Nov 26 19:10 |
| MinceR | pitop and novena are obviously unavailable in hungary | Nov 26 19:10 |
| cubexyz | right, we don't want to give M$ any money | Nov 26 19:11 |
| MinceR | but EeePCs were designed to run gnu/linux and they still weren't sold without winblows | Nov 26 19:11 |
| MinceR | though that could be because this country is a total shithole, filled with retarded savages | Nov 26 19:11 |
| cubexyz | looks like pitop will be about $300 | Nov 26 19:21 |
| cubexyz | power consumption is an amazing 3 watts | Nov 26 19:22 |
| cubexyz | you can get a linux EEEPC on ebay for $100 | Nov 26 19:27 |
| MinceR | and i can let the hungarian post steal/lose the package at no extra cost | Nov 26 19:28 |
| MinceR | or i can have a courier service deliver it for $100, if i'm lucky | Nov 26 19:28 |
| cubexyz | pitop-OS is based on raspbian wheezy | Nov 26 19:31 |
| cubexyz | at least it won't have systemd on it :) | Nov 26 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "Is this better than Ubuntu Studio?" | Nov 26 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6859763 | Nov 26 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Studio 13.37 v2.3 released! https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/studio-13-37-99/studio-13-37-v2-3-released-4175559255/ | Nov 26 19:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxquestions.org | Studio 13.37 v2.3 released! [ http://ur1.ca/obozq ] | Nov 26 19:51 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | Nov 27 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat | Nov 27 02:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Saying goodbye is never easy, and this is particularly so in the case of my stepping down from the IPKat blogteam in order to sample the hitherto forbidden fruits of retirement. My fellow Kats have been a wonderful resource for me -- full of ideas, endeavours and unexpected perspectives on topics on which I have pondered so often that they were in danger of becoming part of my intellectual furniture. I shall miss their camaraderie, their | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | sparkle, their wit and their carefully crafted rage. I know that they will carry on our collective work and feel sure that they will lift the blog to new levels of excellence (or indeed, a cynic might say, to any level of excellence). | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | I shall miss our readers too. Many have posted comments, in their own names, under cover of anonymity or though the assumption of pseudonyms. Others have engaged me in correspondence, whether to share their fears and secrets, to inform me of forthcoming legal rulings, to ask a variety of favours or, worst of all, to crow triumphantly over the discovery of an error or – perish the thought – a spelling or grammatical error. | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | But most of all I shall miss Merpel … | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Bye! | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | The only person other than me to cover EPO matters is stopping | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | probably afraid of EPO | Nov 27 02:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for many years of insight, humour, information and of course pictures of cats. Thank you too for engaging in many fascinating debates over the years, for occasionally defending my corner, but most of all thank you for welcoming me and a few other Pirate Party members as a commenters on the blog, when many in your position would, I expect, have swiftly shown us the door. | Nov 27 02:17 |
| schestowitz | May your retirement be long and enjoyable! | Nov 27 02:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 02:17 |
| schestowitz | "There may well be laws against mandatory retirement in certain jurisdictions. However, I would suggest in your case that the EU, WIPO, WTO, USTPO, TPP, CETA, TTIP et al should get together and conspire to forbid you from retiring - or at least from retiring from blogging. " | Nov 27 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670167875672530944https://twitter.com/bounder/status/670171719240429568 | Nov 27 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6 | Nov 27 04:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #uk | Nov 27 04:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670167875672530944 https://twitter.com/bounder/status/670171719240429568 | Nov 27 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Tuned I stay ! https://t.co/DbXmJFNjKo | Nov 27 04:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Some very important stuff about #epo to come out today (before noon). Stay tuned.... | Nov 27 04:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6 | Nov 27 04:38 | |
| joelekstein | Hello TimeofIndia, Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss. The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http://digg.co | Nov 27 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/12/2014: Greg Kroah-Hartman Interview, Fedora 21 Imminent | Techrights | Nov 27 04:40 | |
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| r_schestowitz | [09:38] <joelekstein> Hello TimeofIndia, Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss. The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http:// | Nov 27 05:46 |
| r_schestowitz | digg.co | Nov 27 05:46 |
| r_schestowitz | seems like spam | Nov 27 05:46 |
| -mquin-[Global Notice] We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. | Nov 27 06:04 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > Another week has passed. Any word from FSF or, more importantly, from | Nov 27 07:13 |
| r_schestowitz | > Red Hat? | Nov 27 07:13 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, I was going to write about it today, but 2 hours just wasted blocking effective DDOS attack from Baidu, so might not have time... | Nov 27 07:13 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 | Nov 27 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu Stages De Facto DDOS Attacks | Tux Machines | Nov 27 07:13 | |
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| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 27 07:23 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: --Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property.-- | Nov 27 07:24 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: the redhat/Microsoft deal is nothing more than a limited cease fire. | Nov 27 07:24 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GreyBservices/status/670224315367882753 | Nov 27 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GreyBservices: @schestowitz didn't expect that such a huge amount could be spent by EPO on such cause. | Nov 27 08:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/670235241471176704 | Nov 27 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: #EPO panicking, spending absurd sums trying to put lipstick on a pig... https://t.co/WDnSrIAObx | Nov 27 08:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody Leaked: EPO Award of €880,000 “in Order to Address the Media Presence of the EPO” (Reputation Laundering) https://t.co/0p9SDcQbUu | Nov 27 08:46 | |
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| MinceR | 132322 < oiaohm> r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 10:33 |
| MinceR | "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers" | Nov 27 10:33 |
| MinceR | just because they don't call it a covenant not to sue it's still a covenant not to sue | Nov 27 10:33 |
| MinceR | using different words to screw the community every time doesn't mean the community isn't being screwed. | Nov 27 10:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: read section 7 | Nov 27 10:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Redhat has agreed not to sue in exchange Microsoft has agreed to provide all of RHEL without stripping parts out. | Nov 27 10:40 |
| MinceR | irrelevant | Nov 27 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Ok so the deal could have been better. But it does cause some interesting side effects with patent clauses in GPL,MPL,Apache 2.0 works. | Nov 27 10:41 |
| MinceR | none of this says m$ won't sue people using code derived from redcrap products without a contract with redcrap | Nov 27 10:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Please note the current Linux kernel copying has a patent clause. | Nov 27 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Its a shell game. | Nov 27 10:42 |
| MinceR | note that most patent clauses are worked around by not granting a patent license | Nov 27 10:42 |
| MinceR | merely promising not to sue for patents | Nov 27 10:42 |
| oiaohm | The patent clauses in GPL, MPL and Apache 2.0 says you cannot provide the product to clients if you do enforce patents agianst other parties. | Nov 27 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Using the same program. | Nov 27 10:43 |
| oiaohm | If Microsoft attempt to strip parts out of RHEL so they can patent attack they break the agreement they have with Redhat. | Nov 27 10:43 |
| MinceR | they can still sue for patents infringed on software using different licenses | Nov 27 10:44 |
| MinceR | and of course none of this keeps m$'s patent troll shell companies from suing anyone | Nov 27 10:44 |
| oiaohm | The interesting part is RHEL outer license contains a patent clause as well. | Nov 27 10:44 |
| oiaohm | I have not gone through it effects yet. | Nov 27 10:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property. << Read this. | Nov 27 10:49 |
| MinceR | i've read it a couple of times already | Nov 27 10:49 |
| MinceR | you should read it too :> | Nov 27 10:50 |
| oiaohm | The fact it not a covenant means it not just between Microsoft and Redhat entities. | Nov 27 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Means If Microsoft get caught using shell companies it a breach. | Nov 27 10:50 |
| oiaohm | If they happen to touch any of Redhat customers. | Nov 27 10:50 |
| MinceR | which means they won't get caught | Nov 27 10:50 |
| MinceR | CPTN and IV will be proclaimed "independent" | Nov 27 10:51 |
| oiaohm | does not work. | Nov 27 10:51 |
| MinceR | even though we both know they aren't | Nov 27 10:51 |
| oiaohm | standstill is very particular. | Nov 27 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft selling for patents for others to use will be breach of standstill. | Nov 27 10:51 |
| oiaohm | as I say it ceasefire. | Nov 27 10:51 |
| MinceR | will be | Nov 27 10:51 |
| MinceR | so patents they have already handed over is not | Nov 27 10:51 |
| MinceR | s/is/are/ | Nov 27 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Also reciving income from patents effected by standstill that other parties hold would also see Microsoft in breach. | Nov 27 10:52 |
| MinceR | so they'll keep that income elsewhere | Nov 27 10:52 |
| MinceR | like in the shell companies | Nov 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | So a decent percentage of already handed over patents is not free and clear. | Nov 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | What redhat did is quite legally soild. | Nov 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Ok we would have prefered better. | Nov 27 10:53 |
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| MinceR | yeah, they're pretty solidly screwing us all over | Nov 27 10:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the deal is not one sided for Redhat or Microsoft. In fact it legally does cause Microsoft some harm. | Nov 27 10:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I wish it had caused Microsoft more patent harm. | Nov 27 10:56 |
| oiaohm | It also set a value presendent on Microsoft Patents of them being worth zero dollars. | Nov 27 10:57 |
| MinceR | i don't see how | Nov 27 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft did not demard payment to go to cease fire state. | Nov 27 10:58 |
| oiaohm | that can cause some issue when a different party argues that they are being over changed on patent. | Nov 27 10:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I agree the deal is not ideal. | Nov 27 11:00 |
| oiaohm | But the deal is not a complete disaster for open source either. | Nov 27 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Its far better than the android companies selling out have been doing. | Nov 27 11:00 |
| MinceR | are ratcrap's patents already established as being worth $0? | Nov 27 11:01 |
| MinceR | i think this deal is pretty much the same as the m$/novell deal, just worded differently | Nov 27 11:02 |
| MinceR | and redcrap has far more influence over free sw projects than novell ever had | Nov 27 11:02 |
| MinceR | afaict deadrat also has more influence over free sw projects than android device manufacturers | Nov 27 11:03 |
| oiaohm | http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html | Nov 27 11:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat Patent Policy | Red Hat | Nov 27 11:03 | |
| oiaohm | Yes for correctly license programs Redhat patents are already established as being worth $0 | Nov 27 11:04 |
| oiaohm | So Redhat traded something worth $0 for something Microsoft had assigned a value MinceR | Nov 27 11:04 |
| MinceR | notify me when that's enforced outside that agreement | Nov 27 11:05 |
| oiaohm | I also noted that Redhat agreement leaves Redhat with the means to walk away at any time. | Nov 27 11:07 |
| MinceR | but not m$? | Nov 27 11:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically we will have to wait and see how the redhat agreement is used by other parties to work out if it was a good deal or a bad one. | Nov 27 11:08 |
| MinceR | yes, but my prediction is that it's a bad one | Nov 27 11:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the fact MS will be shipping redhat product. Without distrupting their customers using Redhat product Microsoft will not be able to walk away. | Nov 27 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has really got the better side of the deal. | Nov 27 11:09 |
| MinceR | as if m$ disrupting their customers wasn't business as usual | Nov 27 11:09 |
| MinceR | they do it every day | Nov 27 11:09 |
| MinceR | and their customers have come to expect it, even enjoy it | Nov 27 11:09 |
| oiaohm | In cloud services market this means losing market share. | Nov 27 11:09 |
| oiaohm | And it cloud services that is hiding Microsoft growth failures. | Nov 27 11:09 |
| MinceR | which they never had there | Nov 27 11:09 |
| MinceR | only people with severe mental defects want to use azure | Nov 27 11:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sever mental defects. Microsoft trained profesionals unfortantally. | Nov 27 11:10 |
| MinceR | there still are professionals with a clue | Nov 27 11:11 |
| oiaohm | 12 year old kid can be a Microsoft trained professional. | Nov 27 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Basically to become a Microsoft trained professional answer questions as if you believe Microsoft marketing crap. | Nov 27 11:12 |
| MinceR | i see so much of that | Nov 27 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Redhat current deal with Microsoft I see as a foot in door method. | Nov 27 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Ok not perfect but as long as future deals keep demarding more out of Microsoft it will be good. | Nov 27 11:14 |
| oiaohm | So I am not saying not to presure Redhat to make better deals. Just don't completely presume the current redhat/Microsoft deal is without some long term planing from Redhat. | Nov 27 11:15 |
| MinceR | i think ratcrap's plans suck | Nov 27 11:15 |
| MinceR | they're betting on m$ and uefi, ignoring that once m$ locks out other */linux vendors via uefi, they might just as easily lock out redcrap | Nov 27 11:16 |
| MinceR | that's suicidal behavior | Nov 27 11:16 |
| oiaohm | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/library/dn747883.aspx | Nov 27 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows 8.1 Secure Boot Key Creation and Management Guidance | Nov 27 11:16 | |
| oiaohm | Microsoft stand on UEFI did change with 8.1 after all the SSL certificate issues MinceR | Nov 27 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Ok its not perfect. | Nov 27 11:17 |
| MinceR | and it changed again with vista10 | Nov 27 11:17 |
| MinceR | where's the outrage? | Nov 27 11:17 |
| oiaohm | No it has not in fact changed that much. | Nov 27 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Windows 10 still has the mandated option to be able to replace the PK and put the system back into setup mode. | Nov 27 11:18 |
| MinceR | baby steps | Nov 27 11:18 |
| oiaohm | But there is another bug you are missing. | Nov 27 11:18 |
| oiaohm | The issue with Microsoft UEFI is "1.3.5 Secure Boot firmware update key" | Nov 27 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Not the ablity to run other OS MinceR. But the ablity to secure your firmware from attack of the update key gets breached. | Nov 27 11:19 |
| MinceR | the "security" excuse is old | Nov 27 11:20 |
| MinceR | and it's just as transparent as it ever was | Nov 27 11:20 |
| MinceR | in fact, winblows is still insecure, and more than ever | Nov 27 11:20 |
| oiaohm | PK is replacable because its not secure. | Nov 27 11:20 |
| oiaohm | to have it fixed set | Nov 27 11:20 |
| MinceR | uefi locks you into vista10 | Nov 27 11:20 |
| MinceR | and vista10 is full of backdoors for m$ and government agencies | Nov 27 11:20 |
| MinceR | they can remove applications they don't like | Nov 27 11:21 |
| MinceR | they can deliver any code they want | Nov 27 11:21 |
| MinceR | they can spy on you | Nov 27 11:21 |
| MinceR | they can see the passwords you type | Nov 27 11:21 |
| oiaohm | UEFI for Windows 10 still has the 8.1 clauses that you should be able to kill the PK so go to setup mode and run unsigned. | Nov 27 11:21 |
| MinceR | this is not security, this is the opposite of security | Nov 27 11:21 |
| oiaohm | The back door problem of the firmware is in 8.1 MinceR | Nov 27 11:22 |
| MinceR | not only the firmware can have back doors | Nov 27 11:22 |
| MinceR | the OS the firmware locks you into can too | Nov 27 11:22 |
| MinceR | and it already does | Nov 27 11:22 |
| MinceR | and it pretty much always did | Nov 27 11:22 |
| MinceR | even winblows 95 tried to phone home silently if you had a modem | Nov 27 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Per Windows requirements for Connected Standby PCs with Secure Boot, the signature must be verified during every boot. The key must be stored in one-time-programmable, immutable storage. If this key is compromised, the PC is compromised permanently. << note this line | Nov 27 11:23 |
| oiaohm | This is the update key. | Nov 27 11:23 |
| MinceR | without physical security, none of this bullshit will protect your PC anyway | Nov 27 11:24 |
| MinceR | and if you have physical security, this is unnecessary | Nov 27 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Remember UEFI allows OS to push firmware updates for loading in next boot. | Nov 27 11:24 |
| oiaohm | So a insecure update key is a major nightmare. | Nov 27 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Even worse of a nightmare when you cannot replace it. | Nov 27 11:25 |
| oiaohm | Or disable update application. | Nov 27 11:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I guess you mean physical security like chromebooks write protect switchs on the firmware. | Nov 27 11:25 |
| MinceR | no, i mean locking the computer away in a place where only trusted people are physically allowed | Nov 27 11:26 |
| MinceR | or keeping it on your person and protecting it personally | Nov 27 11:26 |
| MinceR | hugely bloated uefi written mostly by m$ code monkeys is most likely full of bugs and single points of failure | Nov 27 11:26 |
| MinceR | all that unreliability is in there so they can lock you into winblows | Nov 27 11:27 |
| MinceR | and they claim it's for your security | Nov 27 11:27 |
| MinceR | i don't see why i should expect security from the crap m$ code monkeys crank out | Nov 27 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Really UEFI design has not ever been lock into windows. | Nov 27 11:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 27 11:27 |
| oiaohm | PK and Update keys are not Microsoft signed keys. | Nov 27 11:27 |
| oiaohm | They are ODM keys. | Nov 27 11:28 |
| MinceR | is that why restricted boot is ceasing to be an option and starting to be mandatory? | Nov 27 11:28 |
| MinceR | if it's so great, why do they have to force it on people? | Nov 27 11:28 |
| MinceR | and the ODMs serve m$ for fear of being screwed on winblows licensing prices | Nov 27 11:28 |
| MinceR | and availability | Nov 27 11:28 |
| MinceR | but yes, for extremely gullible people there's the illusion of independence | Nov 27 11:28 |
| oiaohm | restricted boot on off switch was never in UEFI standard. The disappearance of the secureboot on off switch is firmware coming into alignement with UEFI standard. | Nov 27 11:28 |
| MinceR | m$ spokesholes have claimed to be independent for a long time | Nov 27 11:29 |
| oiaohm | UEFI standard was always remove the PK to go to unsigned mode. | Nov 27 11:29 |
| MinceR | like gartner when publishing the bullshit TCO paper with m$ copyrights left on it | Nov 27 11:29 |
| MinceR | it wasn't in the standard because uefi was always intended to lock you into winblows and macos. | Nov 27 11:29 |
| oiaohm | the secureboot on/off option was more demostration of how much stupidity Microsoft could force on end users. | Nov 27 11:30 |
| MinceR | they encountered more resistance than they expected so they put it in temporarily | Nov 27 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Remnember secureboot on/off was stored in cmos equal not flash like the PK. | Nov 27 11:30 |
| MinceR | and as people are becoming increasingly stupid, it's taken out without resistance | Nov 27 11:30 |
| oiaohm | So running in secureboot off mode battery goes flat and the bugger was back on. | Nov 27 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Where removing PK it off until you put a PK back. | Nov 27 11:30 |
| MinceR | that's just one of the many bugs in uefi | Nov 27 11:30 |
| oiaohm | No that was not a bug in UEFI standard. | Nov 27 11:31 |
| MinceR | it's vastly more complicated than boot firmware ever needs to be | Nov 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | That was a bug in UEFI caused by Microsoft. | Nov 27 11:31 |
| MinceR | only in tianocore, which everybody uses? | Nov 27 11:31 |
| MinceR | uefi itself was caused by m$ | Nov 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Because Microsoft did not want their signing keys removed. | Nov 27 11:31 |
| MinceR | i wonder why | Nov 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI was not started by MS. | Nov 27 11:31 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI first form was ELF based. | Nov 27 11:32 |
| oiaohm | that was done by Intel. | Nov 27 11:32 |
| oiaohm | PE mode was to make MS happy so they come on board. | Nov 27 11:32 |
| MinceR | and so ELF was removed | Nov 27 11:33 |
| MinceR | also, what filesystem did they use? | Nov 27 11:33 |
| oiaohm | PE wrapped elf remained. | Nov 27 11:33 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 27 11:33 |
| MinceR | m$, like redcrap, has to smear its markings over everything | Nov 27 11:33 |
| oiaohm | At first fat32 without long filename support. | Nov 27 11:33 |
| MinceR | they won't rest until the whole world is tagged as their property | Nov 27 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Because long filenames were patented. | Nov 27 11:33 |
| MinceR | so much for not being m$ | Nov 27 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft end up giving free patent license to long filenames for UEFI implementations and access. | Nov 27 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Because it was breaking their drivers having to have a driver that did not write long filenames. | Nov 27 11:34 |
| MinceR | how is that even possible to implement in an OS that's supposed to be able to access UEFI filesystems? | Nov 27 11:35 |
| MinceR | "oh look, you have a vfat driver in your OS, so we're suing you!" | Nov 27 11:35 |
| oiaohm | OS X and Linux has no problem doing fat32 with short filenames only. | Nov 27 11:35 |
| MinceR | it's yet another trap | Nov 27 11:35 |
| MinceR | yes, but if uefi requires long filenames, they can't do anything with that | Nov 27 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft has no patents over short filenames. | Nov 27 11:36 |
| MinceR | uefi is allowed to use long filenames | Nov 27 11:36 |
| MinceR | OSes are not necessarily allowed to use long filenames unless they're dealing with uefi at the moment | Nov 27 11:36 |
| MinceR | so how do they comply with the requirements? | Nov 27 11:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the patent grant means you can use fat32 with long filenames on a UEFI systema nd Microsoft cannot sue you because the support is for UEFI compadiblity. | Nov 27 11:36 |
| MinceR | ignore the long file names on the uefi filesystem and break uefi? | Nov 27 11:36 |
| MinceR | somehow detect when they're allowed to use LFN support and when are they not? | Nov 27 11:37 |
| MinceR | they can't sue you _if_ you're only using it for uefi compatibility | Nov 27 11:37 |
| oiaohm | To be correct early UEFI would call the fat32 partition invalid if it found LFN enteries. | Nov 27 11:37 |
| oiaohm | And still does. | Nov 27 11:37 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, we're not dealing with early uefi | Nov 27 11:37 |
| MinceR | we're dealing with the latest shit pushed by manufacturers | Nov 27 11:37 |
| oiaohm | No early UEFI has a stack of worse bugs. | Nov 27 11:37 |
| MinceR | i prefer no bugs | Nov 27 11:38 |
| MinceR | or at least fewer and less severe ones | Nov 27 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Current UEFI has less bugs that historically used BIOS images. | Nov 27 11:38 |
| MinceR | using a less pathologically overcomplicated boot firmware would be conducive to that | Nov 27 11:38 |
| MinceR | but no, we're forced to rely on uefi | Nov 27 11:38 |
| MinceR | and yet historically used bios images tended to boot the user's choice of OS reliably | Nov 27 11:39 |
| MinceR | they weren't deliberately designed to lock users into winblows or macos | Nov 27 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Nov 27 11:39 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 27 11:39 |
| oiaohm | There is a australian linux conference video covering BIOS bugs. | Nov 27 11:39 |
| oiaohm | And they are just massively horible | Nov 27 11:40 |
| MinceR | which of them were intentional? | Nov 27 11:40 |
| oiaohm | UEFI is particularly design to minimise the ammout of crap running in background the OS does not know about. | Nov 27 11:40 |
| MinceR | how does making uefi bigger than a monolithic kernel does that? | Nov 27 11:41 |
| MinceR | s/does/do/ | Nov 27 11:41 |
| MinceR | how does restricted boot do that? | Nov 27 11:41 |
| oiaohm | By over 99.9 percent shutdown once the OS has started. | Nov 27 11:41 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Nov 27 11:41 |
| oiaohm | That does matter. | Nov 27 11:41 |
| MinceR | 100% can cause the system to halt _before_ the OS gets to start | Nov 27 11:41 |
| MinceR | the whole point of boot firmware is to load the OS | Nov 27 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Problem with old bois images is the fact they would do a lot of emulation for running like freedos. | Nov 27 11:42 |
| MinceR | also, SMM support was not removed | Nov 27 11:42 |
| MinceR | how much emulation does coreboot do? | Nov 27 11:42 |
| oiaohm | UEFI has less running in SMM than old BIOS images did. | Nov 27 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Unless you use bios mode under UEFI | Nov 27 11:43 |
| MinceR | that's not a lot of improvement considering the cost | Nov 27 11:43 |
| oiaohm | coreboot direct to Linux is fairly clean as well. | Nov 27 11:43 |
| oiaohm | coreboot using a BIOS compadiblity mode is fairly crap. | Nov 27 11:44 |
| MinceR | and yet manufacturers are trying to suppress coreboot at all costs | Nov 27 11:44 |
| MinceR | and force uefi instead | Nov 27 11:44 |
| MinceR | what's the difference? | Nov 27 11:44 |
| MinceR | restricted boot, that's what. | Nov 27 11:44 |
| MinceR | (and that coreboot is a lot less of an unholy mess) | Nov 27 11:44 |
| oiaohm | a lot of Linux random lockup under bios came from the crap running in background. | Nov 27 11:44 |
| oiaohm | ODM its not the restricted boot they are interested in. | Nov 27 11:45 |
| oiaohm | ODM are interested in the firmware loading controls. | Nov 27 11:45 |
| MinceR | it is, as long as m$ has them by the balls | Nov 27 11:45 |
| oiaohm | You have the wrong party that has them by the balls. | Nov 27 11:46 |
| oiaohm | NIST publication 800-147 Field Firmware Update << MinceR did you miss this about the firmware updating restrictions. | Nov 27 11:46 |
| MinceR | probably | Nov 27 11:46 |
| oiaohm | NIST in fact demards the presence of secureboot. Particular own settable keys. | Nov 27 11:47 |
| MinceR | also, it's easy to make 99.9% percent shut down by fattening up whatever goes into the 99.9% | Nov 27 11:47 |
| MinceR | i wonder whose lobbyists man the NIST | Nov 27 11:48 |
| MinceR | i have some guesses. | Nov 27 11:48 |
| MinceR | especially after m$ bought most of the people at ISO | Nov 27 11:48 |
| oiaohm | No wrong people. | Nov 27 11:48 |
| oiaohm | NSA is the largest lobbist to NIST | Nov 27 11:48 |
| MinceR | and nsa and m$ are buddies | Nov 27 11:48 |
| MinceR | and so are nsa and ratcrap | Nov 27 11:49 |
| oiaohm | This is why the update key rules being wrong is such a worry. | Nov 27 11:49 |
| MinceR | not really | Nov 27 11:49 |
| MinceR | the nsa stopped caring about taxpayers' security long ago | Nov 27 11:49 |
| MinceR | if they ever cared | Nov 27 11:49 |
| oiaohm | update key is to the NSA advantage. | Nov 27 11:49 |
| MinceR | they use taxpayers' money to screw everybody | Nov 27 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Same with settable PK and removable KEK | Nov 27 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Of course removable KEK is not exactly what Microsoft wants. | Nov 27 11:49 |
| MinceR | also, if the nsa believes this restricted boot wankery will secure a PC that's not physically secured, they're incompetent | Nov 27 11:50 |
| MinceR | they need a job they have the qualifications for | Nov 27 11:50 |
| MinceR | do they also believe you can't (destructively) extract the keys from a TPM? | Nov 27 11:50 |
| oiaohm | After all the crap we have seen about NSA putting intentional back doors in products they are truly incompetent. | Nov 27 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically MinceR you have had the wrong party driving secure boot. Its NSA driving it. | Nov 27 11:51 |
| MinceR | all this accomplishes is make it difficult for everybody and impossible for most people to have control over their own systems | Nov 27 11:51 |
| MinceR | i wonder how much influence m$ has over nsa | Nov 27 11:51 |
| oiaohm | remember NSA designed Selinux at first. | Nov 27 11:51 |
| MinceR | selinux was not about restricted boot | Nov 27 11:51 |
| oiaohm | So NSA and userfriendly don't line up at all. | Nov 27 11:51 |
| oiaohm | I find it funny that you delete the PK then Windows 10 can fail to boot. | Nov 27 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Of course a Linux system you delete the PK and it still managed to boot just fine. | Nov 27 11:53 |
| MinceR | must be m$'s way of forcing you to have their PK | Nov 27 11:53 |
| oiaohm | You missed it. | Nov 27 11:54 |
| oiaohm | PK don't come from Microsoft ever. | Nov 27 11:54 |
| oiaohm | PK is ODM/end user created. | Nov 27 11:54 |
| MinceR | instead from companies m$ controls | Nov 27 11:54 |
| oiaohm | KEK comes from Microsoft | Nov 27 11:54 |
| MinceR | and signed with PK | Nov 27 11:55 |
| oiaohm | That when you replace the PK you can choose not to sign and if you don't sign it then it cannot be installed on system. | Nov 27 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Who ever controls the PK in a UEFI system controls what KEK stuff can be on the system. | Nov 27 11:56 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a problem who controls the firmware update key could possibly overwrite the PK you set. | Nov 27 11:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: over write the PK and KEK you have set. | Nov 27 11:58 |
| MinceR | another reason not to trust uefi | Nov 27 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Now if we can get control of the firmware update key with the PK key then we would truly be in control of the system. | Nov 27 11:58 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: you also have to remember places like NSA want to be able to run custom OS that are secureboot locked. | Nov 27 12:01 |
| oiaohm | NSA and Microsoft objectives are not in alignment. | Nov 27 12:02 |
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| MinceR | i question how much they want that | Nov 27 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember USA drone control these days purely runs on Linux computers. Other things run on BSD and the like. | Nov 27 12:03 |
| MinceR | they were just fine with using backdoored and weakened stuff themselves as long as it's forced on everyone | Nov 27 12:03 |
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| MinceR | also, the nsa getting to run custom os does nothing to guarantee that we get to do the same | Nov 27 12:04 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember NSA with windows has had custom signing key for a long time to they could load their own security fixes. | Nov 27 12:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I agree that NSA custom OS requirements does not mean it always going to stay the way we want. Current NIST designs are mandating custom OS options on UEFI. | Nov 27 12:05 |
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| MinceR | it also doesn't mean it gets to consumers | Nov 27 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok pure pain in ass custom OS option. | Nov 27 12:05 |
| MinceR | it also doesn't mean the hw is covered by warranty if you run your own code | Nov 27 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Currently it is making it to consumers MinceR on most motherboards. | Nov 27 12:05 |
| oiaohm | The warranty issue is a true pain. | Nov 27 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Also even Windows users are hating the Warranty issue. Like people who have updated windows 7 to windows 10 only to have their ODM tell them to reinstall Windows 7 or they will not support the hardware. | Nov 27 12:07 |
| oiaohm | So the ODM warranty issue hits Linux users and Windows users. | Nov 27 12:08 |
| MinceR | they got off cheap, then | Nov 27 12:09 |
| MinceR | the ODM could have told them that hw has its warranty voided now | Nov 27 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Some have been told that as well. | Nov 27 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Just because that installed Windows 10 on a laptop that shiped with Windows 7 or 8.1 | Nov 27 12:10 |
| oiaohm | ODM can be complete assholes. | Nov 27 12:10 |
| MinceR | it gets better when winblows update installs vista10 without asking the user | Nov 27 12:10 |
| MinceR | or pretends it's just a security update | Nov 27 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 27 12:10 |
| oiaohm | So perfect user did not do it yet hardware warnaity is voided. | Nov 27 12:10 |
| oiaohm | It gets more perfect most ODM have had a as is where is warnanity on the software as well. | Nov 27 12:11 |
| oiaohm | So as soon as you install Windows updates they can claim the warnatiy is void as well. | Nov 27 12:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically ODM are getting down right evil at avoiding having any warranty | Nov 27 12:12 |
| oiaohm | ODM skipping out on support is Microsoft means to presure ODM to do their bidding dropping. | Nov 27 12:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Basically there are 3 parties evily missing with each other ODM, NSA and Microsoft. | Nov 27 12:17 |
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| A_Friend | The "EPO Award of €880,000 [...]" article opens an unrelated page with an article of 2008 | Nov 27 13:11 |
| MinceR | r_schestowitz: ^ | Nov 27 13:11 |
| A_Friend | But it's simply an error in the link. | Nov 27 13:18 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/670268079969075201 | Nov 27 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Weekends are always a good choice. But presidents often published "something" on Friday afternoon, thus watch out! https://t.co/iqbaZY7prA | Nov 27 13:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I will try to find time to write more about the #epo this evening because there's a lot of stuff on its way. That's why they're nervous. | Nov 27 13:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | is freenode stable now? | Nov 27 13:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (just got back) | Nov 27 13:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/670268079969075201 | Nov 27 14:00 |
| r_schestowitz | [18:11] <A_Friend> The "EPO Award of €880,000 [...]" article opens an unrelated page with an article of 2008 | Nov 27 14:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Not sure which page it's linked from | Nov 27 14:00 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe post ID error | Nov 27 14:00 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> 132322 < oiaohm> r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 14:04 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers" | Nov 27 14:04 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> just because they don't call it a covenant not to sue it's still a covenant not to sue | Nov 27 14:04 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Nov 27 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 27 14:04 | |
| r_schestowitz | but moglen isn't on my side | Nov 27 14:04 |
| r_schestowitz | I wait for FSF to respond | Nov 27 14:04 |
| r_schestowitz | Moglen is SFLC IIRC | Nov 27 14:04 |
| r_schestowitz | I also need to ask for permission to publish | Nov 27 14:04 |
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| sebsebseb | Nov 27 14:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | hey | Nov 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | r_schestowitz: hi | Nov 27 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | why the name difference change | Nov 27 14:21 |
| r_schestowitz | pc downstairs called "schestowitz" | Nov 27 14:22 |
| r_schestowitz | nick collision | Nov 27 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Nov 27 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | r_schestowitz: heh I wonder if I'll actusally get my Jolla tablet or not | Nov 27 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | they are having invester issues it seems | Nov 27 14:22 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah | Nov 27 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | brb | Nov 27 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | very busy at the moment, just got back home | Nov 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Nov 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | busy with what? | Nov 27 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | EPO stuff | Nov 27 14:50 |
| r_schestowitz | articles.. | Nov 27 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670353668131201025 | Nov 27 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Councillor or counsellor ? Just asking.... https://t.co/ZvsNByR2Wo | Nov 27 16:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Chinese state councillor meets #EPO president https://t.co/VLc2GtfKAT #Battistelli is in #China at the moment ... tyrants unite. Epic! | Nov 27 16:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670353668131201025https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/670356023236923393 | Nov 27 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Feynman...? {close friend of John C. Lilly, MD (1915-2001), whom i biographed, 1990} https://t.co/fXJ0A2kpq5 | Nov 27 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/670356023236923393 | Nov 27 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Feynman...? {close friend of John C. Lilly, MD (1915-2001), whom i biographed, 1990} https://t.co/fXJ0A2kpq5 | Nov 27 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Feynman...? {close friend of John C. Lilly, MD (1915-2001), whom i biographed, 1990} https://t.co/fXJ0A2kpq5 | Nov 27 16:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With | Nov 27 17:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4? https://t.co/Sl5RNjAmNE | Nov 27 17:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With Linux 4.4? - Phoronix | Nov 27 17:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 27 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 27 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Tux Machines | Nov 27 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/zFP9w93CPo | Nov 27 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Nov 27 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With | Nov 27 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4? https://t.co/yDFSVDnTvS | Nov 27 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With Linux 4.4? | Tux Machines | Nov 27 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development News https://t.co/7LvU60BmQE | Nov 27 18:02 |
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| cubexyz | "What we're really after is simply that people acquire a legal license for Windows for each computer they own" | Nov 27 18:52 |
| cubexyz | anyone know where that quote is from? | Nov 27 18:52 |
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| msb_ | Satan | Nov 27 19:15 |
| schestowitz | bill | Nov 27 19:36 |
| cubexyz | :) | Nov 27 19:44 |
| cubexyz | no, I mean where did it originate from... comes document, book, etc | Nov 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | the date it was said would be interesting to know | Nov 27 19:45 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: all I know is that quote is not new. " What we're really after is simply that people acquire a legal license for Windows for each computer they own before they move on to Linux or Sun Solaris or BSD or OS/2 or whatever. " | Nov 27 19:59 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: the fact OS/2 is in the list shows it at least 10 years old. | Nov 27 19:59 |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 27 19:59 |
| oiaohm | I would suspect some time around the year 2001 when Microsoft started COA stickers on case. | Nov 27 20:01 |
| oiaohm | Before that we had COA certificates for the Windows OS that was not tied to particular hardware. | Nov 27 20:01 |
| cubexyz | I thought the 1994 consent degree barred Microsoft from varying their prices based on whether OEMs distributed other operating systems | Nov 27 20:01 |
| cubexyz | if so, the quote could be from 1994 or even older | Nov 27 20:01 |
| oiaohm | Could not be older than 1993 | Nov 27 20:02 |
| oiaohm | Linux did not have enough market share until 1994 to really register. | Nov 27 20:02 |
| cubexyz | since Linux is mentioned... | Nov 27 20:02 |
| cubexyz | ok, interesting | Nov 27 20:02 |
| cubexyz | why haven't we seen more non-windows laptops then? | Nov 27 20:03 |
| cubexyz | it just doesn't seem we are much farther ahead in 2015 | Nov 27 20:06 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 part the german but this has OS/2 Warp versions. | Nov 27 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-de.wikipedia.org | OS/2 – Wikipedia | Nov 27 20:07 | |
| cubexyz | latest OS/2 seems to be around 2001 or so | Nov 27 20:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that quote is somewhere from 1994-2002 if it valid | Nov 27 20:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: also early references I find with google to that quote in 2006 question how vaild it is. | Nov 27 20:13 |
| cubexyz | I see 2001... still checking | Nov 27 20:16 |
| oiaohm | So you found someone question it around 2001 cubexyz | Nov 27 20:16 |
| oiaohm | https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/2257/windows-10-minimum-hardware-requirements-for-pc Hmm its not the secure boot here. Its the mandorary TPM that could become a problem for Windows users. | Nov 27 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thurrott.com | Windows 10 Minimum Hardware Requirements for PC - Thurrott.com | Nov 27 20:17 | |
| cubexyz | yes | Nov 27 20:17 |
| MinceR | windows is a problem for windows users | Nov 27 20:18 |
| cubexyz | wow, is google groups ever slow | Nov 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | they just don't know it yet :> | Nov 27 20:18 |
| oiaohm | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/library/dn747883.aspx | Nov 27 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows 8.1 Secure Boot Key Creation and Management Guidance | Nov 27 20:18 | |
| cubexyz | things are not in a good state right now | Nov 27 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Notice the TPM chip plugs into Microsoft anti malware. | Nov 27 20:18 |
| oiaohm | and it was Microsoft anti-malware that recently made ESET anti-virus, AMD graphics configuration manageer and other things disappear from Windows 10 | Nov 27 20:19 |
| oiaohm | Also make me ask the question is everyone running Windows 10 on older systems without a TPM chip or a old TPM chip going to keep on working? | Nov 27 20:20 |
| cubexyz | could you run windows on a P3? P2? Pentium? | Nov 27 20:23 |
| cubexyz | errr... windows 10 | Nov 27 20:24 |
| cubexyz | probably not Pentium at least | Nov 27 20:24 |
| cubexyz | ok, now the 2001 post seems to have vanished :-/ | Nov 27 20:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: 2004 Pentuim4 or newer | Nov 27 20:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows 10 requires NX bit in CPU just like Windows 8.x does. | Nov 27 20:27 |
| cubexyz | ok, I bet that post is a hoax | Nov 27 20:27 |
| cubexyz | it would be stupid for Gates to have said that | Nov 27 20:27 |
| cubexyz | but I found a 2003 reference for it | Nov 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | Pentuim 4 2004 with coreboot support motherboards can be running the require UEFI version. | Nov 27 20:29 |
| oiaohm | TPM 2.0 restriction that is meant to come in in a year could cut out a lot of hardware. TPM 2.0 was only released 2014 | Nov 27 20:30 |
| MinceR | they were found out on saying a lot of revealing things | Nov 27 20:30 |
| MinceR | see Comes | Nov 27 20:30 |
| MinceR | and halloween documents | Nov 27 20:30 |
| cubexyz | that's true... but it's going to be a lot of work finding that quote unless there's an easy way to search all the comes text | Nov 27 20:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for the stupid things bill gates said in Comes and the time frame that is trulye a possible valid source. | Nov 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | I think it's mostly rasterized pdfs | Nov 27 20:31 |
| MinceR | i think somebody typed in all of the comes stuff | Nov 27 20:32 |
| MinceR | or OCRed it | Nov 27 20:32 |
| MinceR | iirc it's on TR | Nov 27 20:32 |
| oiaohm | QEMU support TPM 2.0 already and there is a software version of TPM for Linux. | Nov 27 20:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, found the 2001 post again | Nov 27 20:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, I can't find it in comes | Nov 27 20:36 |
| cubexyz | but I did find this nastygram about killing GeoView | Nov 27 20:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.sysopt.com/showthread.php?30224-Bill-Gates-Will-Blow-Your-Mind!!!!!!! You found this link | Nov 27 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sysopt.com | Bill Gates Will Blow Your Mind!!!!!!! [ http://ur1.ca/obqyn ] | Nov 27 20:37 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that gives us source. Krakt Korteks interview with Bill Gates that I cannot find any evidence of that interview being real. | Nov 27 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | from Nov 2000 | Nov 27 20:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pjBns8oTnN | Nov 27 20:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 20:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 27 20:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 27 20:39 | |
| MinceR | yeah, that context makes it look fake | Nov 27 20:39 |
| MinceR | admitting that stuff in internal email is one thing, admitting it on an interview is another | Nov 27 20:39 |
| cubexyz | fake | Nov 27 20:40 |
| oiaohm | http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ Yep confirmed fake. | Nov 27 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 27 20:40 | |
| oiaohm | faked November 2000 | Nov 27 20:41 |
| MinceR | their source: https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html | Nov 27 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 27 20:41 | |
| MinceR | sysopt's, that is | Nov 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | it's satire | Nov 27 20:41 |
| oiaohm | Yet it on many quotes sites. | Nov 27 20:41 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have used an invalid quote. | Nov 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | it's "Krakt Korteks" fault :) | Nov 27 20:43 |
| cubexyz | "Pigs and aliens like Larry" rofl | Nov 27 20:45 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, the thing is no OEM is shipping an ATX motherboard with buildable BIOS source | Nov 27 20:48 |
| cubexyz | I've built coreboot for old gigabyte boards but it was a lot of work | Nov 27 20:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Coreboot-Skylake-Motherboards Intel does have some skylake boards with coreboot | Nov 27 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Adds Skylake/Braswell Boards To Coreboot: Kunimitsu, Cyan, RPV3, Strago - Phoronix | Nov 27 20:50 | |
| oiaohm | But they are not your full size ATX motherboards. | Nov 27 20:50 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what suxs is they are called customer reference boards and include a clause that Intel does not support final solutions based on coreboot | Nov 27 20:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.eltan.com/support/intelembeddedpartner/344-intelskylakesupport.html Most people are not aware of the existance of customer reference board from intel that have unlocked firmware replacement. So OEM/custom hardware developers can try out prototype bios designs | Nov 27 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eltan.com | 6th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors (SkyLake) | Nov 27 21:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6861373 | Nov 27 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Boycott #baidu - nasty, arrogant company http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 wasted hours on this today, undoing the damage they caused. | Nov 27 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Then that was the problem with your site, a crawler? I have noticed sometimes heavy load on my diaspora server, and I guess is also due to crawlers but have not bothered to check. | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I just write it off as part of having Internet state, mostly because I have never noticed it nor gave me issues. | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 27 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu Stages De Facto DDOS Attacks (Updated) | Tux Machines | Nov 27 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Here’s a little round up on G+ for you, | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | https://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/F4J75rX5NWF | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: the gates quote? | Nov 27 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | baidu Doing Microsoft Windows DDoS on Tuxmachines and Freenode #microsoft… | Nov 27 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | baidu Doing Microsoft Windows DDoS on Tuxmachines and Freenode | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft #windows botnets not only cause Web sites adn services to become accessible. They also damage databases in the process. | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6860899 | Nov 27 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #windows has back doors. @snoden proved it. Time to ban Microsoft Windows from the Internet. Unplug. Clean the Internet. | Nov 27 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | See also, | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/670162459328684032 | Nov 27 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. | Nov 27 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/07/07/propaganda-shifts-blame/ | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/07/05/no-ip/ | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | heh, Techrights is also down as I post this. | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Boycott #baidu - nasty, arrogant company http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 wasted hours on this today, undoing the damage they caused. | Nov 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Propaganda Machine Tries to Shift Security Debate Amid Serious Catastrophes | Techrights | Nov 27 21:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Sabotaging No-IP Rather Than Admitting Its Own Failures, Time for Class Action Seems Right as List of Affected Domains Collected | Techrights | Nov 27 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | Turns out ot was Windows botnet using baidu to hide itself. See update in the post... | Nov 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6859936 | Nov 27 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Dpkg Vulnerability Closed in All #Ubuntu OSes http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/dpkg-vulnerability-closed-in-all-ubuntu-oses-496778.shtml #gnu #linux #security | Nov 27 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Not upgrading any Linux system is plainly stupid! | Nov 27 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Dpkg Vulnerability Closed in All Ubuntu OSes | Nov 27 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | These permanent upgrades are the main reason | Nov 27 21:09 |
| schestowitz | why Linux is so much safer than any Windows version | Nov 27 21:09 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 27 21:09 |
| schestowitz | "Only hours after this info I received the respective dpkg-update on my computer and installed it (just by klicking “install”." | Nov 27 21:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: yep gates quote http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html | Nov 27 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 27 21:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 27 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857969 | Nov 27 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " #EPO might buy an armoured limousine for the safety of President who has already a number of body guards" http://techrights.org/2015/11/25/les-echos-rebuttal/#comments | Nov 27 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | "It’s understandable, you know how terrorists are. They hate Europe’s freedom and patents." | Nov 27 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Criticism of Mono Now “Disappearing” | Techrights | Nov 27 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | he's afraid of his staff, a paranoid for sure | Nov 27 21:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: November 2000 fake that gates quote is. | Nov 27 21:10 |
| schestowitz | ah, oops | Nov 27 21:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Mind you many quotes sites mark it incorrectly as bill gates. | Nov 27 21:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have to thank cubexyz for starting digging. | Nov 27 21:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/11/2015: KDE Plasma 5.5 Plans, Oracle Linux 7.2 | Techrights | Nov 27 22:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 28 04:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 04:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | [02:10] <oiaohm> schestowitz: Mind you many quotes sites mark it incorrectly as bill gates. | Nov 28 04:47 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:11] <oiaohm> schestowitz: you have to thank cubexyz for starting digging. | Nov 28 04:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Hmmm.... | Nov 28 04:47 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: e http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html The www.totalabstinence.com satire site took a lot of sites and commercial media to the cleaners | Nov 28 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 28 04:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 28 04:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Playing With Intel Skylake OpenCL On Ubuntu | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.10 https://t.co/ATdAKGX1Ee | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 05:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Playing With Intel Skylake OpenCL On Ubuntu 15.10 - Phoronix | Nov 28 05:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMDGPU With PowerPlay Compared To AMD's | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Linux Driver https://t.co/YVLEYdSWac | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 05:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | AMDGPU With PowerPlay Compared To AMD's Catalyst Linux Driver - Phoronix | Nov 28 05:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TheUbuntuDaily The #Ubuntu Daily is out! | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JASchiz4Kg (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines @ptheoiasptk @magnetikonline | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrj9 | Nov 28 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The #Ubuntu Daily | Nov 28 05:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Nov 28 05:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1rS7eoc5lj (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 05:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Tux Machines | Nov 28 05:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds | Nov 28 05:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 05:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pE6APHJ236 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 05:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 05:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring | Nov 28 05:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 05:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rkEV0tHO17 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 05:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrjc | Nov 28 05:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Tux Machines | Nov 28 05:29 | |
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| schestowitz | I keep reading, and I still don't know what the fuss is all about. | Nov 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | Can someone break it down for us Americans? | Nov 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | You should care because ______. | Nov 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | The argument is ______. | Nov 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 ) | Nov 28 05:34 | |
| schestowitz | QUOTE | Nov 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | "Apparently, in response to the criticism, the EPO called in the lawyers against the blogger for defamation or something. Apparently this type of behavior by the EPO has been directed at politicians and others as well." | Nov 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | I'll try to relate what i understand so far, for some reason: | Nov 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | A techright.org blogger criticized the EPO (European Patent Office) for something related to corruption and human rights: | Nov 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | "You forgot the part where Techrights is pretty much a bomb thrower's blog." | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | I can't tell the difference between this techrights site and one of the alternate reality wikis where a bunch of people write a bunch of detailed articles on a fictitious topic. | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | Every link on techrights goes to other techrights articles. Half the articles are about indignities that techrights has been put through. From what I understand, techrights has been engaged in a secret war with EPO for decades, possibly even centuries. | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | centuries? | Nov 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | "And how many people out there know what the hell this is all about from just reading the article summary?" | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | "Well, you see, something something patent office something something." | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | There was a techdirt article on it | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml [techdirt.com] | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 28 05:37 | |
| schestowitz | Personal attack: "I could be wrong but all the articles on techrights appear to be written by a schizophrenic off his meds." | Nov 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | As one might gather from the name of the place, TechRights is about rights (freedoms) as relates to technology and "intellectual property". | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing about freedom: | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | If you constantly ignore the incursions on it, pretty soon it's all gone. | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | {Line about paving paradise goes here} | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | ...and I thought you made a promise a while back: | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | Something about being fed up or something. [soylentnews.org] | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | ...yet you're still here. | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | You appear to be all bluff and bluster. | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | You truly don't have anything more to offer than whining about me?? | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | -- gewg_ | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | Those jackbooted thugs just burst into my flat one day, yanked Fluffy out of his terrarium and jammed their tiny little penises into his anus. | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | I screamed at them and tried to call for help, but they just laughed and said "This is what you get for messing with the EPO, Schestowitz!" | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | I said, "who is this Schestowitz and why are you raping my iguana?" | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | They looked at each other, threw me to the floor and yanked out my wallet. Then they said, "our sincere apologies sir, we thought you were someone else. But don't worry, it looks like your iguana enjoyed himself. I know we did!" | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | These people must be stopped! | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 05:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 ) | Nov 28 05:39 | |
| schestowitz | Some rather low quality comments in there. It'll like another /. (post Dice takeover) | Nov 28 05:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670552718386331648 | Nov 28 05:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Please, may we pose the same questions to medical doctors treating employees or receiving contracts from epo? | Nov 28 05:42 | |
| schestowitz | I would like to know more about the medical/insurance private partners of EPO, medical doctors too. Heard of it in passing. | Nov 28 05:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS | Nov 28 05:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/36jY2WeH8s (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 05:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS | Tux Machines | Nov 28 05:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/5FMv58HGoE | Nov 28 05:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 05:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 28 05:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04...' | Nov 28 05:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2,...' | Nov 28 05:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools,...' | Nov 28 05:43 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2,...' | Nov 28 06:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools,...' | Nov 28 06:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileakBot/status/670560897975189505 | Nov 28 06:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileakBot: RT @schestowitz "Sony agreed to reimburse employees up to $10,000 apiece for identity-theft losses" https://t.co/DhdHucgjHB #sony #wikileaks | Nov 28 06:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> time.com | Sony Hack: Judge Gives Preliminary OK to $8mn Settlement | Nov 28 06:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/670562692416057344 | Nov 28 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz It's a shame thos would come from the state and not the war criminals who brokered the deal. | Nov 28 06:23 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Parallel? RT reporting hourly on head of biggest Turkish opposition newspaper/website being tried for treason for publishing articles and videos showing Turkish intelligence service shipping huge truckloads of weapons to Islamic head-choppers in Syria. Big crowds protesting at courthouse, being pepper-sprayed by armored police.. Kurdish Party leader murdered for saying the party are not terrorists. Ukrainian Nazis, | Nov 28 06:34 |
| msb_ | backed by US, caught selling weapons to Syrian head-choppers. One can almost imagine a single octopoid alien in synchronous orbit, surrounded by displays and keyboards, orchestrating all of this, and much more. But I guess it's just that psychopath behavior is similar everywhere -- torrents of lies, and attacks on anyone who exposes the lies. Roy, maybe you should vary your daily travel routes, etc. | Nov 28 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Doze Brings Marshmallow's Battery-Saving | Nov 28 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Feature to Older Androids | Nov 28 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o41Tj2J8e3 (lifehacker.com) | Nov 28 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | android (Linux) de facto standard now | Nov 28 06:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lifehacker.com | Doze Brings Marshmallow's Battery-Saving Feature to Older Androids | Nov 28 06:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here come the rose gold Android phones | Nov 28 06:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RdH29kaKOV (mashable.com) | Nov 28 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Here come the rose gold Android phones | Nov 28 06:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A few thoughts on OpenBSD 5.8 | Nov 28 06:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Uis1GFBtWQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A few thoughts on OpenBSD 5.8 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 06:35 | |
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| schestowitz | msb_: no politics here please | Nov 28 08:22 |
| schestowitz | off topic | Nov 28 08:22 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: What exactly do you mean by "politics"? Do you think your struggle with EPO and the ultra-wealthy corporations using it to suppress and rob the people of the world is not "politics" ? | Nov 28 09:28 |
| msb_ | I just pointed out that the same suppression of journalists by government force that you are talking about regarding yourself, is big news right now in another context. | Nov 28 09:30 |
| MinceR | i don't see the connection between the EPO and putin's propaganda machine | Nov 28 09:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: What I mentioned had nothing to do with Putin. Putin is your personal obsession, a mental illness. | Nov 28 09:32 |
| MinceR | you keep spamming this channel with bullshit from RT, not anyone else | Nov 28 09:38 |
| MinceR | and you project your obsession with putler to me | Nov 28 09:38 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Are you claiming that Turkey's suppression of journalists is "bullshit"? | Nov 28 09:39 |
| msb_ | And it's you who mentioned Putin, not me. | Nov 28 09:40 |
| MinceR | i don't have enough information to know that, since your alleged source is full of shit | Nov 28 09:40 |
| MinceR | you are the one who advertises putin and RT regularly | Nov 28 09:41 |
| MinceR | you're the one who regularly advertises dictators here | Nov 28 09:41 |
| MinceR | and dictatorships | Nov 28 09:41 |
| msb_ | I may post some information from RT once every several days. As I have said in exposing your LIES many times before, I do not favor any dictators or dictatorships. MINCER: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! | Nov 28 09:42 |
| MinceR | stop spamming this channel with putin's propaganda | Nov 28 09:43 |
| msb_ | Posting once every several days is not "spamming". | Nov 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | it is off topic. | Nov 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | go found #iloveputin and spam there instead. | Nov 28 09:43 |
| msb_ | The suppression of journalists in Turkey has nothing to do with Putin. | Nov 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | RT has everything to do with putler | Nov 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | and what that russian plane did in turkey is also far from an isolated incident | Nov 28 09:44 |
| MinceR | they regularly do this to all sorts of countries | Nov 28 09:44 |
| msb_ | http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/middleeast/turkish-journalists-arrested/ | Nov 28 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | Turkish journalists arrested on charges of espionage - CNN.com | Nov 28 09:45 | |
| msb_ | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/28/us-turkey-europe-press-migrants-idUSKBN0TH09220151128 | Nov 28 09:46 |
| MinceR | see, that's a lot less disreputable | Nov 28 09:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com | Detained journalists urge EU not to compromise with Turkey over human rights | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/obrwo ] | Nov 28 09:46 | |
| msb_ | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/27/turkish-journalists-charged-over-claim-that-secret-services-armed-syrian-rebels | Nov 28 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Turkish journalists charged over claim that secret services armed Syrian rebels | World news | The Guardian | Nov 28 09:48 | |
| MinceR | still, i don't see what this has to do with techrights | Nov 28 09:48 |
| msb_ | There is no reason to think that the Russian plane "did" anything in Turkey. | Nov 28 09:49 |
| msb_ | Those three sources say the same thing that RT does. RT is accurate. | Nov 28 09:49 |
| MinceR | RT is unreliable, especially in this case | Nov 28 09:50 |
| MinceR | RT always says what putin wants you to believe | Nov 28 09:50 |
| MinceR | and what the russian plane did was violation of turkish airspace | Nov 28 09:50 |
| msb_ | As I said (to schestowitz), "I just pointed out that the same suppression of journalists by government force that you are talking about regarding yourself, is big news right now in another context. | Nov 28 09:52 |
| MinceR | that's an enormous stretch | Nov 28 09:52 |
| msb_ | Only in your mind which is totally warped about Putin. This had nothing to do with Putin. | Nov 28 09:53 |
| msb_ | You keep spamming this channel about Putin, calling him "putler", etc. | Nov 28 09:54 |
| MinceR | yes, RT is totally independent and has nothing to do with putin | Nov 28 09:54 |
| MinceR | and has no reason to lie about turkey | Nov 28 09:54 |
| MinceR | right? | Nov 28 09:54 |
| msb_ | I just gave 3 examples of Western media saying the exact same thing about Turkey that RT is saying, thus proving that RT is not lying, but that YOU ARE. | Nov 28 09:56 |
| MinceR | doesn't prove that the RT can be relied upon on the subject of turkey | Nov 28 09:56 |
| MinceR | and as such, your link to rt was useless spam | Nov 28 09:56 |
| msb_ | MinceR: So you are saying that a news report that I proved is accurate is "useless spam". And you have given no evidence whatsoever that RT has put out any inaccurate information about Turkey. Your statements are irrational and insane. | Nov 28 10:07 |
| MinceR | i've provided plenty of evidence about RT lying before | Nov 28 10:09 |
| MinceR | also about RT being controlled by putin | Nov 28 10:09 |
| msb_ | But when asked about it you will not repeat it. | Nov 28 10:09 |
| MinceR | and i haven't seen you deny that russia has no interest in trying to show turkey in a negative light | Nov 28 10:09 |
| MinceR | s/no // | Nov 28 10:09 |
| msb_ | Turkey is arming and financing the Islamic head-choppers in Syria, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. That actually IS extremely negative, no matter who shows it. | Nov 28 10:11 |
| msb_ | Or are you in favor of the Islamic head-choppers? | Nov 28 10:12 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 28 10:12 |
| MinceR | but that doesn't mean i have to be in favor of putin | Nov 28 10:12 |
| MinceR | many people seem to be having trouble grasping the fact that if two dictatorships are opposed to one another, that doesn't automatically make one of them good | Nov 28 10:13 |
| msb_ | I have never said that everything Putin has done is good. I have said that his heavy bombings of murderous jihadists in Syria is good. Because their goal is to turn Syria into a psychopathic woman-suppressing head-chopping clit-cutting religious dictatorship like Saudi Arabia. | Nov 28 10:19 |
| msb_ | That would be far worse than any "dictatorship" done by Putin in Russia. | Nov 28 10:21 |
| MinceR | does that justify the dictatorship in russia? | Nov 28 10:21 |
| msb_ | Putin gets elected. Your claims of "dictatorship in russia" would have to be examined in detail to determine the _degree_ of authoritarianism there, and compare them with the same in other places like the US, UK and EU. | Nov 28 10:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, via election fraud | Nov 28 10:26 |
| MinceR | "we are the 146%" | Nov 28 10:27 |
| MinceR | http://occupywallst.org/article/we-are-the-146-russians-refuse-to-be-rooked/ | Nov 28 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-occupywallst.org | We are the 146% - Russians Refuse to be Rooked as 120,000 March in Moscow | OccupyWallSt.org | Nov 28 10:27 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/05/putin-united-russia-election | Nov 28 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Putin shaken by United Russia's poor election performance | World news | The Guardian | Nov 28 10:27 | |
| MinceR | http://gawker.com/5864945/putin-clings-to-victory-as-russias-voter-turnout-exceeds-146 | Nov 28 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com | Putin Clings to Victory as Russia's Voter Turnout Exceeds 146% | Nov 28 10:27 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/russian-election-protests/100206/ | Nov 28 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Russian Election Protests - The Atlantic | Nov 28 10:27 | |
| msb_ | Same as in the US. Between the two-party system, both of which are controlled by the ultra-wealthy, and the corporate news media, which lie about the candidates, and rigged electronic voting machines, the US _always_ ends up electing corporatist (fascist) leaders. | Nov 28 10:30 |
| MinceR | in that case, the US is better at hiding election fraud | Nov 28 10:31 |
| MinceR | also, the US still has independent/opposition media | Nov 28 10:31 |
| msb_ | Yes, the US is much better at hiding election fraud, because it uses all three methods I mentioned instead of just rigging the actual elections. | Nov 28 10:35 |
| msb_ | The US "independent/opposition media" do not appear on TV, so they are not able to educate most americans. That's because the media channels are all owned by the ultra-wealthy. | Nov 28 10:37 |
| MinceR | i thought they ran some TV channels | Nov 28 10:37 |
| msb_ | The only accurate TV network in the US is RT. | Nov 28 10:39 |
| msb_ | That's why I watch it, not for any love of Putin. | Nov 28 10:39 |
| MinceR | it's not accurate, it merely says what you want to hear | Nov 28 10:39 |
| MinceR | and yet the US government does not silence it | Nov 28 10:40 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work that way in russia. | Nov 28 10:40 |
| MinceR | (or in hungary, for that matter) | Nov 28 10:40 |
| msb_ | It says the same things that about 6 other independent non-Russian Net news services say. | Nov 28 10:41 |
| MinceR | on one particular item of news | Nov 28 10:41 |
| msb_ | On every one that I've checked. | Nov 28 10:41 |
| MinceR | that doesn't predict what they say about other things at all | Nov 28 10:41 |
| msb_ | Does Russia suppress CNN.com on the Web? | Nov 28 10:42 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Nov 28 10:42 |
| MinceR | ask XRevan86 | Nov 28 10:42 |
| MinceR | so, everybody but RT lies on US TV while saying the same things as RT? | Nov 28 10:42 |
| MinceR | that's an interesting kind of "logic" | Nov 28 10:42 |
| msb_ | Well, look and see if you can access it. | Nov 28 10:42 |
| MinceR | i'm not in russia | Nov 28 10:43 |
| MinceR | so roskomnadzor's bans don't apply to me | Nov 28 10:43 |
| msb_ | But you are in Hungary which you claim is equally repressed. Can you access cnn.com? | Nov 28 10:44 |
| MinceR | while hungary does have the legal means, the institution and some technical means to do censorship of the web, they have not done it to the extent russia does | Nov 28 10:45 |
| MinceR | they're mostly testing the waters | Nov 28 10:45 |
| XRevan86 | Ask me what? | Nov 28 10:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: whether russia suppresses cnn.com on the web | Nov 28 10:45 |
| MinceR | cnn.com does load here | Nov 28 10:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: My provider doesn't follow roskomnadzor's list, and I never heard about that. | Nov 28 10:46 |
| XRevan86 | that cnn got banned | Nov 28 10:46 |
| XRevan86 | all that "registry of forbidden sites" crap didn't go that far | Nov 28 10:47 |
| msb_ | It didn't. Mincer was saying that Russia is a censoring dictatorship, so I asked him if he could receive cnn.com | Nov 28 10:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR wrote, claiming to quote me: "so, everybody but RT lies on US TV while saying the same things as RT? that's an interesting kind of 'logic'" | Nov 28 10:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: It is a bad tendency towards that. | Nov 28 10:50 |
| MinceR | 163910 < msb_> The only accurate TV network in the US is RT. | Nov 28 10:51 |
| MinceR | 164114 < msb_> It says the same things that about 6 other independent non-Russian Net news services say. | Nov 28 10:51 |
| XRevan86 | Alternative media in Russian Internet exist and are not planning to go away. | Nov 28 10:51 |
| MinceR | no contradictions here. no sir! | Nov 28 10:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: depends on whose plans we're talking about :> | Nov 28 10:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: hmm? | Nov 28 10:51 |
| MinceR | 165124 < XRevan86> Alternative media in Russian Internet exist and are not planning to go away. (emphasis mine) | Nov 28 10:52 |
| XRevan86 | * and is | Nov 28 10:52 |
| msb_ | Of course I never said any such thing. I said that RT is the only accurate TV network in the US, which means that it tells the truth all of the time. It says the same things as 6 other _alternative_ Web news sources that I access, like Global Research, Free Critical Thinking, Paul Craig Roberts, etc. It does _not_ always say the same things as the other US TV new channels, which frequently lie. | Nov 28 10:57 |
| MinceR | the company RT keeps betrays its agenda | Nov 28 10:58 |
| msb_ | So, MinceR, you either purposely or inadvertently totally misunderstood what I said, in order to attempt to "prove" me wrong. | Nov 28 10:59 |
| MinceR | and you believe RT to be accurate because some of the time it says the same things as other TV channels | Nov 28 10:59 |
| MinceR | which you claim frequently lie | Nov 28 10:59 |
| MinceR | i can't even | Nov 28 10:59 |
| msb_ | No, the alternative news sources I believe are NOT on TV. They are on the Web. | Nov 28 10:59 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are still totally confused. | Nov 28 11:00 |
| MinceR | no, you're confused | Nov 28 11:01 |
| MinceR | by cognitive dissonance | Nov 28 11:01 |
| MinceR | you desperately want a hero, and in searching for that, you've found dictators opposed to the USA and made them your heroes | Nov 28 11:01 |
| MinceR | also, arguing that putin did nothing wrong because he was democratically elected is like arguing hitler did nothing wrong because he was democratically elected | Nov 28 11:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Keep your false, self-serving, LYING psychoanalysis to yourself. I have not made anyone my hero, except researchers like Wilhelm Reich and Riane Eisler. | Nov 28 11:03 |
| msb_ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that Putin did nothing wrong. | Nov 28 11:04 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 28 11:22 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: hi | Nov 28 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: hi | Nov 28 11:24 |
| cubexyz | it's not that the news media lie all the time, although probably there are some lies | Nov 28 11:51 |
| cubexyz | it's that the news media has an agenda, and they follow the money from advertisers | Nov 28 11:52 |
| cubexyz | so if Microsoft says "here is 10 million dollars go push windows 10" then that's what they do | Nov 28 11:52 |
| cubexyz | there is no "search for the truth" | Nov 28 11:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 recently open-sourced products from big tech | Nov 28 12:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 recently open-sourced products from big tech companies | Tux Machines | Nov 28 12:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/Kal8A6cFtV | Nov 28 12:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 12:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine 1.8-RC2 https://t.co/JBPmjzVpSa | Nov 28 12:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 1.8-RC2 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6860788 | Nov 28 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Open Source projects best practices" explained by your 'friends' from... #microsoft https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MVP-RD-Americas/GitHub--Microsoft-Partnership/GH2-Open-Source-projects-best-practices #openwashing #channel9 | Nov 28 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | "“how can I prevent, my build from being broken?” watch out for Microsoft moles … just the thought wastes time and resources. Microsoft hates everyone, especially when they form a community." | Nov 28 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Indeed | Nov 28 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> channel9.msdn.com | Open Source projects best practices | GitHub – Microsoft Partnership | Channel 9 | Nov 28 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857524 | Nov 28 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #propaganda site #winbeta is trying to cause FOSS brain drain http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-continues-offer-open-source-professionals-positions-within-azure say no http://techrights.org/2015/10/22/all-things-open-hijacked/ | Nov 28 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Some people prefer lots of money over Free Software and freedom, just see Miguel de Icaza." | Nov 28 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.winbeta.org | Microsoft continues to offer open source professionals positions within Azure | Nov 28 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | I heard he's gloating about it | Nov 28 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | At All Things Open (ATO) Microsoft is Embracing, Extending, Extinguishing GNU/Linux, Hopes to Do the Same to Android (Updated) | Techrights | Nov 28 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857682 | Nov 28 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #raspi is everywhere in the news today and this is why http://opensource.com/business/15/11/raspberry-pi-zero #vista10 can't run on such hardware | Nov 28 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Looks like lots of fun. =)" | Nov 28 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | "#Fu*k Window$ :)" | Nov 28 13:10 |
| schestowitz | They try http://techrights.org/2015/04/30/bribing-for-windows-in-devices/ | Nov 28 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Embracing, Extending, Extinguishing the Linux-centric Arduino and Raspberry Pi, Making Them Windows Devices | Techrights | Nov 28 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857428 | Nov 28 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #redhat everywhere... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355892#c6 #KDE now locked into #systemd | Nov 28 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | "In Gentoo, KDE works with OpenRC too… (as far as I’m concerned)." | Nov 28 13:11 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/Kal8A6cFtV' | Nov 28 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TheUbuntuDaily The #Ubuntu Daily is out! | Nov 28 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by https://t.co/JASchiz4Kg (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 28 13:12 |
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| msb_ | Eleven excellent news sites. In general they are much more accurate and complete than U.S. corporate news. | Nov 28 15:20 |
| msb_ | Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/ | Nov 28 15:20 |
| msb_ | Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Nov 28 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization | Nov 28 15:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Nov 28 15:20 | |
| msb_ | Russia Today http://www.rt.com/ | Nov 28 15:20 |
| msb_ | Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/ | Nov 28 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | RT | Nov 28 15:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | Home | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| msb_ | Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/ | Nov 28 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| msb_ | Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/ | Nov 28 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and Opinion | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| msb_ | Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ | Nov 28 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| msb_ | TeleSUR http://www.telesurtv.net/english/index.html | Nov 28 15:21 |
| msb_ | New Eastern Outlook http://journal-neo.org/ | Nov 28 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telesurtv.net | teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/nuamj ] | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| msb_ | PressTV http://presstv.ir/ | Nov 28 15:21 |
| msb_ | TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/ | Nov 28 15:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-presstv.ir | PressTV | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatch | Nov 28 15:21 | |
| msb_ | Note that if MinceR labels a site as "Putin propaganda" that says nothing about whether the information on it is accurate or not, or whether it is more complete than the US govt sites like Voice of America, which MinceR links to. | Nov 28 15:28 |
| msb_ | "Propaganda" simply means "information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause". Given the lies and distortions of the US corporate press, simply telling the complete and accurate truth is beneficial to the Russian cause. | Nov 28 15:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Nov 28 15:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available - Phoronix | Nov 28 15:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 reasons I'm thankful for Android | Nov 28 15:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Top 5 reasons I'm thankful for Android - TechRepublic | Nov 28 15:58 | |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <msb_> Note that if MinceR... | Nov 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Why do you provoke/teate him? | Nov 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Share links to FOSS sites | Nov 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Let's keep focused on tech | Nov 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | anything else would only serve to dilute the channel and discourage wider participation, so you're not helping | Nov 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:28] <msb_> schestowitz: What exactly do you mean by "politics"? Do you think your struggle with EPO and the ultra-wealthy corporations using it to suppress and rob the people of the world is not "politics" ? | Nov 28 16:03 |
| schestowitz | EPO deals with science and technology | Nov 28 16:03 |
| schestowitz | it also impacts software patents in Europe which directly affects FOSS | Nov 28 16:03 |
| schestowitz | I thought that was obvious | Nov 28 16:03 |
| msb_ | 1. MinceR already posted lies about "propaganda". I corrected them. 2. Science, technology, and FOSS are important because they affect _people_. This all started when I pointed out that currently other journalists like yourself were being persecuted for revealing government secret programs for robbing and harming people. | Nov 28 16:09 |
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| msb_ | When government agencies (like the EPO) are secretly doing things (like allowing swpats) whose purpose is to constrain and rob people in order to benefit the ultra-wealthy few, if that isn't politics I don't know what is. | Nov 28 16:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarchAgainstM/status/670712030307983360 | Nov 28 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MarchAgainstM: @schestowitz Thanks for raising awareness about #TPP, just shared your tweet on our #StopTPP aggregator https://t.co/oQsehY62ur | Nov 28 16:17 | |
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| msb_ | As to FOSS sites, FOSS is pretty mature now. It does everything that people need, and would do them much better if we got rid of systemd, UEFI, and KDE4/5/Plasma. 99% of the info from FOSS sites (that we see here) is about minor improvements or version increments that are unnecessary or even harmful. What FOSS needs is to back off the "improvements" to where it was several years ago, and just USE it from there. | Nov 28 16:22 |
| msb_ | Yes, I am a 70 year old curmudgeon, and have a beard going down my neck. | Nov 28 16:24 |
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| msb_ | I have learned a lot from cubexyz! | Nov 28 16:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Nov 28 16:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Tux Machines | Nov 28 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jorgecaleya/status/670715259431329792 | Nov 28 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jorgecaleya: Y por supuesto los acuerdos de comercio globales apuestan por poner internet al servicio de las multinacionales https://t.co/GIoWJmbv6p | Nov 28 16:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP allows #Internet #censorship to favour big corporations, say Pakatan MPs https://t.co/aXG88R2JF6 https://t.co/cJEpBQjOIU @glynmoody | Nov 28 16:40 | |
| MinceR | bullshit is pouring out of msb_ as usual | Nov 28 16:41 |
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| endomorphosis | hey, is anyone home | Nov 28 18:07 |
| msb_ | I'm here. What's up? | Nov 28 18:09 |
| endomorphosis | so does tech rights see much activity lately | Nov 28 18:09 |
| endomorphosis | I've been investigating some wierd stuff these days | Nov 28 18:10 |
| endomorphosis | The co-mingling of politics and technology power players | Nov 28 18:10 |
| msb_ | 1. a couple hundred lines a day 2. Oh yeah? what | Nov 28 18:10 |
| msb_ | Like how? | Nov 28 18:11 |
| msb_ | IIRC, Bill Gates is mixed up with toxic vaccines and Monsanto. | Nov 28 18:12 |
| endomorphosis | well, I know that | Nov 28 18:12 |
| endomorphosis | more specifically, there are alot of connections between tech power players, politicians, and goldman sachs | Nov 28 18:12 |
| endomorphosis | but if you've heard that obama and clinton have ties to tech, its very much true | Nov 28 18:13 |
| endomorphosis | its looking like a desire to control a metaphorical central nervous system of society | Nov 28 18:13 |
| msb_ | Yep. Like crippling Linux with systemd. | Nov 28 18:14 |
| endomorphosis | yes | Nov 28 18:14 |
| endomorphosis | for example alot of the 'code of conduct' stuff is coming out of mozilla | Nov 28 18:14 |
| schestowitz | We won! | Nov 28 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Tyson Fury. | Nov 28 18:14 |
| schestowitz | 'we'=manchester | Nov 28 18:14 |
| endomorphosis | mozilla has connections to goldman, and the aol time warner deal | Nov 28 18:15 |
| endomorphosis | marc andresson who was the ceo of netscape, now own substantial shares of twitter, facebook, tumblr, reddit, etc | Nov 28 18:15 |
| endomorphosis | other interesting players are mitch kapor, gates, frank quattrone, etc | Nov 28 18:16 |
| msb_ | I see four attacks on Linux: systemd, UEFI, KDE4/5/Plasma+attacks on TrinityDE, and SJWs. All occurring in the same few years. | Nov 28 18:16 |
| msb_ | "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_. What is _four_ times? | Nov 28 18:17 |
| endomorphosis | yeah | Nov 28 18:17 |
| endomorphosis | its more than just linux | Nov 28 18:18 |
| endomorphosis | its a larger move towards social engineering | Nov 28 18:18 |
| endomorphosis | the sjw's are just the useful idiots, who are manipulated to that end | Nov 28 18:18 |
| endomorphosis | for example, you know the MIT license right | Nov 28 18:19 |
| msb_ | no... | Nov 28 18:19 |
| endomorphosis | the MIT trademark now has a code of conduct, which applies to its open source viral license | Nov 28 18:19 |
| endomorphosis | so if MIT revokes the trademark, then you can't *legally* remove the license, and you can't continue to use it | Nov 28 18:20 |
| msb_ | That's ex post facto. | Nov 28 18:20 |
| endomorphosis | i understand its ex post facto, but a similar thing was done with java | Nov 28 18:21 |
| msb_ | They can't renege on an agreement they've already signed. | Nov 28 18:21 |
| endomorphosis | the thing is that MIT didn't actually create the MIT license | Nov 28 18:21 |
| endomorphosis | a MIT professor articulated what is known as the MIT license, and people used it and slapped the name MIT on it | Nov 28 18:22 |
| msb_ | The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. . | Nov 28 18:23 |
| endomorphosis | agreed | Nov 28 18:23 |
| endomorphosis | but this overly broad Code of Conduct, with very ambigious terms and application, have made their way into large parts of the open source software world | Nov 28 18:24 |
| endomorphosis | even the FSF | Nov 28 18:24 |
| endomorphosis | essentially trying to exert control over something which was designed to not have central control | Nov 28 18:25 |
| msb_ | So has systemd. But the nice thing about software is that it's infinitely replicable _and_ forkable. | Nov 28 18:26 |
| endomorphosis | while true in theory, much like the 3d printing world, the patent system is first to file | Nov 28 18:26 |
| endomorphosis | so for example different groups have taken open source projects and patented their software | Nov 28 18:27 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/xcljjjNt5B' | Nov 28 18:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 18:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple | Nov 28 18:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | x86 Improvements, Updated Drivers | Nov 28 18:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple x86 Improvements, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Nov 28 18:27 | |
| msb_ | It's a crime to use mp3, or decode DVDs. Hasn't stopped anybody with a brain. | Nov 28 18:28 |
| msb_ | This kind of thing teaches people that govt isn't always their friend, and that sometimes they need to be outlaws. That's a _good_ thing! | Nov 28 18:29 |
| msb_ | From Babylon 5: | Nov 28 18:30 |
| msb_ | Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war... | Nov 28 18:31 |
| msb_ | but not completely. | Nov 28 18:31 |
| msb_ | Delenn: The war is never completely won. | Nov 28 18:31 |
| msb_ | There are always new battles to be fought | Nov 28 18:31 |
| msb_ | against the darkness. | Nov 28 18:31 |
| msb_ | Only the names change. | Nov 28 18:31 |
| endomorphosis | so it looks like the investor class has found a way to essential monopolize FOSS | Nov 28 18:32 |
| msb_ | Psychopathy is everywhere. It's a very simple solution for individual survival, although very bad for species survival. | Nov 28 18:32 |
| endomorphosis | inflitrate and co-opt projects, and establish organizations to control them. | Nov 28 18:33 |
| msb_ | Seems to have been done with systemd. But Devuan and others are proceeding. | Nov 28 18:34 |
| endomorphosis | I agree that systemd is creating 'lennartix', meanwhile people are trying to push linus out | Nov 28 18:35 |
| endomorphosis | embrace, extend, extinguish | Nov 28 18:35 |
| msb_ | I don't think they'll succeed. But if they do, we'll just use his last kernel. IIRC, he's been doing this for 24 years. He deserves a rest! | Nov 28 18:36 |
| cubexyz | just do the hydra thing :) | Nov 28 18:36 |
| MinceR | we'll have to maintain it too | Nov 28 18:37 |
| cubexyz | "Hail, Hydra! Immortal Hydra! We shall never be destroyed! Cut off a limb, and two more shall take its place" | Nov 28 18:37 |
| MinceR | you can bet the fascists will look hard for secholes in it | Nov 28 18:37 |
| MinceR | and they might have already implanted some backdoors | Nov 28 18:37 |
| cubexyz | yes, you have to watch out for nasty surprises in the BIOS | Nov 28 18:38 |
| endomorphosis | i suspect thats whats happened in systemd, a black box. | Nov 28 18:38 |
| cubexyz | fortunately I have a ton of old motherboards | Nov 28 18:38 |
| endomorphosis | which controls all the input interfaces. | Nov 28 18:38 |
| endomorphosis | basically, building a moat around the kernel, tha tcant e bypassed | Nov 28 18:39 |
| MinceR | systemd was designed to be a fertile breeding ground for security holes from the ground up | Nov 28 18:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MaravillaTom/status/670747725474963456 | Nov 28 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaravillaTom: @NextBigPod @EddieHearn Lolz. Fury ducking that monopoly like https://t.co/GtYJIrJZe1 | Nov 28 18:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaravillaTom: @NextBigPod @EddieHearn Lolz. Fury ducking that monopoly like https://t.co/GtYJIrJZe1 | Nov 28 18:40 | |
| MinceR | lots of bloat to hide backdoors in | Nov 28 18:40 |
| msb_ | Here's a possible scenario: The US govt blows off a small A-bomb somewher in the US, blames it on Russia, and then kills all Linux machines that have systemd, so nobody with a brain can research it and spread the information. | Nov 28 18:41 |
| msb_ | Like _The Sum of All Fears_, a wonderful movie. | Nov 28 18:41 |
| msb_ | We know they did 9/11: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 | Nov 28 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Nov 28 18:43 | |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-meme.jpg | Nov 28 18:44 |
| msb_ | What happened to endomorphosis? 'e's buggered off. | Nov 28 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/670749323852836868 | Nov 28 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz All Politicians want "back doors" so they can creep about where they shouldn't be.Wether CPU or ur daily lives. My answer FOff! | Nov 28 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | hi endomorphosis | Nov 28 18:45 |
| endomorphosis | hey | Nov 28 18:45 |
| endomorphosis | sorry, wifi | Nov 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz | how's it going? | Nov 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz | new here | Nov 28 18:46 |
| endomorphosis | anyhow, what I've noticed is that there are a bunch of laws and groups oriented about creating regulated internet | Nov 28 18:46 |
| endomorphosis | regarding content | Nov 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz | like FB? | Nov 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz | With zero-rating? | Nov 28 18:47 |
| endomorphosis | well, FB and other private entities are already massaging the feeds | Nov 28 18:47 |
| endomorphosis | these orgs have direct funding coming from the goldman sachs people | Nov 28 18:47 |
| endomorphosis | but more specifically, things like content restrictions | Nov 28 18:48 |
| endomorphosis | france wants to outlaw conspiracy theories | Nov 28 18:48 |
| endomorphosis | eu right to be forgotten | Nov 28 18:48 |
| endomorphosis | 'cyber violence' at the UN ITU | Nov 28 18:48 |
| endomorphosis | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Safety | Nov 28 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Committee of Safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 28 18:49 | |
| endomorphosis | benjamin franklin famously said "those who trade liberty for security will deserve neither and will get none | Nov 28 18:49 |
| endomorphosis | because he was the head of a committee of safety, which was used to essentially police wrongthink | Nov 28 18:50 |
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| endomorphosis | so what seems to be a common modus operandi, is that government funds groups like ISIS, and then uses the politics of fear to institute more control. | Nov 28 18:51 |
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| endomorphosis | part of that control, requires the control of free speech, as well as electronic systems. | Nov 28 18:52 |
| msb_ | That's been going on for thousands of years! | Nov 28 18:52 |
| endomorphosis | agreed, and now there are alot of posthumanists hanging around these groups, who essentially see themselves as the shepherds of a 'brave new world' | Nov 28 18:54 |
| endomorphosis | manifesto.humanities.ucla.edu/2009/05/29/the-digital-humanities-manifesto-20/ | Nov 28 18:56 |
| endomorphosis | stuff like this | Nov 28 18:56 |
| msb_ | endomorphosis: Check this out. It's a first draft and needs work, but still good: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Nov 28 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS | Nov 28 18:58 | |
| endomorphosis | i agree with alot of it aside fro the vitamin c thing | Nov 28 19:01 |
| endomorphosis | I also disagree with the male supremacy as well, it implies an ecological bias and sex vs class bias | Nov 28 19:03 |
| endomorphosis | I could go into the biological stuff, but ultimately a good example is hillary clinton, and how its pathological altruism used to manipulate people. | Nov 28 19:04 |
| msb_ | I think it all started with the bibble, on which all the JCI religions are based. | Nov 28 19:05 |
| endomorphosis | another good example is lynn de forrester de rothschild | Nov 28 19:05 |
| msb_ | As to Vit C, explore the boxes at the top of my homepage. | Nov 28 19:06 |
| endomorphosis | she uses 'inclusive capitalism' as a cover for cronyism | Nov 28 19:06 |
| msb_ | There are plenty of female psychopaths, but the most powerful ones are mostly male. | Nov 28 19:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IceCat 38.4.0 release https://t.co/NdqEMaXHcV | Nov 28 19:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 19:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IceCat 38.4.0 release | Tux Machines | Nov 28 19:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple...' | Nov 28 19:08 | |
| endomorphosis | sure, thats due to biology. | Nov 28 19:08 |
| endomorphosis | but its a conflation of the race/sex vs class struggle (marx) | Nov 28 19:09 |
| endomorphosis | for example, justine tunney of OWS, said that the movement was destroyed by identity politics | Nov 28 19:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple | Nov 28 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | x86 Improvements, Updated Drivers | Nov 28 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ufT4CQRbh3 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple x86 Improvements, Updated Drivers | Nov 28 19:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.74 LTS Brings Many Btrfs | Nov 28 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Filesystem Improvements, x86 Fixes | Nov 28 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/w9lzipwYMc (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.2.74 LTS Brings Many Btrfs Filesystem Improvements, x86 Fixes | Nov 28 19:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IceCat 38.4.0 release https://t.co/bZfoK0X7ur | Nov 28 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (savannah.gnu.org) | Nov 28 19:14 |
| msb_ | Every organization can be infiltrated by psychopaths and/or idiots, and can get turned around 180 degrees, as Gurdjieff said. | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNUzilla - News: IceCat 38.4.0 release [Savannah] | Nov 28 19:14 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple...' | Nov 28 19:14 | |
| msb_ | Static stability is a hopeless goal. | Nov 28 19:14 |
| msb_ | But _dynamic_ stability, created by Consciousness, can work. | Nov 28 19:15 |
| msb_ | It's nice to have institutions and organizations that we can rely on. But on Planet Earth it's a constant struggle between Consciousness and Psychopathy. | Nov 28 19:19 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Kernel 3.2.74 LTS Brings Many Btrfs Filesystem...' | Nov 28 19:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.360 3D Space Combat Game | Nov 28 19:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improves the Glow Effect | Nov 28 19:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CaDo9Ua8F5 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 19:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obt0q | Nov 28 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.360 3D Space Combat Game Improves the Glow Effect | Nov 28 19:21 | |
| msb_ | "God created Arrakis to train the faithful." | Nov 28 19:21 |
| msb_ | endomorphosis: We have to think outside the Matrix. | Nov 28 19:22 |
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| msb_ | Inside the Matrix, the psychopaths are always in control. | Nov 28 19:23 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Vendetta Online 1.8.360 3D Space Combat Game Improves...' | Nov 28 19:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KTorrent Ported To KDE Frameworks 5 | Nov 28 19:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mt8AwbrN5T (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 19:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KTorrent Ported To KDE Frameworks 5 - Phoronix | Nov 28 19:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thecus N4310: A 4-Disk Linux NAS | Nov 28 19:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8xADVRzppV (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 19:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obt15 | Nov 28 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Thecus N4310: A 4-Disk Linux NAS Review - Phoronix | Nov 28 19:26 | |
| msb_ | But if we use our sequential _and_ our associative/lyrical minds, smoke some high-THC, eat some chocolate, snuggle a cat. listen to Jefferson Airplane, learn to go inside, etc., the ghouls can't touch us. | Nov 28 19:27 |
| msb_ | Ignore the organizations they trash. We'll make new ones. | Nov 28 19:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nancysuzyq/status/670760100898799616 | Nov 28 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nancysuzyq: #TPP Big corps rule https://t.co/KjEVCi0T97 | Nov 28 19:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP allows #Internet #censorship to favour big corporations, say Pakatan MPs https://t.co/aXG88R2JF6 https://t.co/cJEpBQjOIU @glynmoody | Nov 28 19:29 | |
| msb_ | Join the Cosmic Church of the Orgone Goddess. Send me $5 and I'll make you a High Priest. | Nov 28 19:29 |
| msb_ | Just kidding. You're already a High Priest! | Nov 28 19:29 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft tried to mock Linux in Germany: | Nov 28 19:31 |
| cubexyz | http://xaharts.org/funny/Microsoft_linux_ad.html | Nov 28 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xaharts.org | Geek Humor: Microsoft Linux Ad | Nov 28 19:31 | |
| msb_ | Imagine that reality is fluid. You're in luck -- it is! | Nov 28 19:32 |
| cubexyz | not sure even what they meant with that ad | Nov 28 19:32 |
| MinceR | either to deceive people | Nov 28 19:33 |
| cubexyz | seems like it's from the windows 2000 era | Nov 28 19:33 |
| MinceR | or to broadcast their own misconceptions | Nov 28 19:33 |
| cubexyz | still don't feel like loading windows 2000 :) | Nov 28 19:35 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Thecus N4310: A 4-Disk Linux NAS https://t.co/8xADVRzppV' | Nov 28 19:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5.2 vs. GCC 6.0 On An Intel Haswell-E Linux | Nov 28 19:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | System https://t.co/jRw9e6Nm7V | Nov 28 19:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 19:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.2 vs. GCC 6.0 On An Intel Haswell-E Linux System - Phoronix | Nov 28 19:36 | |
| MinceR | still not as bad as vista* | Nov 28 19:37 |
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| msb_ | What was the episode of SG-1 where they thought the natives were in danger from hunters, but they turned out to have enormous psychic powers, and I think lived in a city in the sky? | Nov 28 19:39 |
| MinceR | the nox? | Nov 28 19:40 |
| msb_ | YES! | Nov 28 19:40 |
| msb_ | thanks! | Nov 28 19:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Devices https://t.co/iMmar7MEwt | Nov 28 19:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 19:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Devices | Tux Machines | Nov 28 19:41 | |
| MinceR | np | Nov 28 19:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thecus N4310: A 4-Disk Linux NAS | Nov 28 19:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hZLBRNjc0B (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 19:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obt1y | Nov 28 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Thecus N4310: A 4-Disk Linux NAS | Tux Machines | Nov 28 19:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNU/FSF/SFLC News https://t.co/XHpShX9HsA | Nov 28 19:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 19:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/FSF/SFLC News | Tux Machines | Nov 28 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ronchabichos/status/670763876439465984 | Nov 28 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ronchabichos: @schestowitz thanksx1000 x ur guts | Nov 28 19:45 | |
| msb_ | endomorphosis: We must learn to be like the Nox. Please watch it if you haven't seen it. It's S01E08. | Nov 28 19:54 |
| MinceR | how do we learn their powers? | Nov 28 19:54 |
| msb_ | Like I said: use our sequential _and_ our associative/lyrical minds, smoke some high-THC, eat some chocolate, snuggle a cat. listen to Jefferson Airplane, learn to go inside, take the vitamins mentioned in Cause and Cure, etc. | Nov 28 19:57 |
| msb_ | Read the books mentioned, watch the Korten video. | Nov 28 19:57 |
| MinceR | i don't think any of those allow you to use the abilities of the nox | Nov 28 19:58 |
| MinceR | like resurrection, or opening a stargate without an unstable vortex | Nov 28 19:58 |
| msb_ | The abilities of the Nox are metaphors for Consciousness, contact with your full mind, and the ability to think and do circles around the organized psychopaths. | Nov 28 19:59 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You will have to give up your fear and depression. But you are very smart. You can do it. | Nov 28 20:00 |
| MinceR | fear is not something one "gives up", it's something one defeats | Nov 28 20:01 |
| msb_ | I think that in your case it's just a bad habit. You keep thinking about Putin, Orban, and the bad old days before you were even born. Just stop doing that! I guarantee you will feel much better. | Nov 28 20:04 |
| msb_ | And stop thinking that everyone in your country is crap. You aren't. Do you think you're the only one? | Nov 28 20:05 |
| MinceR | all of those things are relevant to my life | Nov 28 20:05 |
| MinceR | no, i don't think i'm the only one | Nov 28 20:05 |
| MinceR | but i do think i'm a minority | Nov 28 20:05 |
| msb_ | Conscious people are a minority everywhere. | Nov 28 20:06 |
| msb_ | But the only relevance of those things to your life is that you constantly and compulsively keep thinking about them. | Nov 28 20:07 |
| MinceR | nope | Nov 28 20:07 |
| MinceR | the present state of the world largely follows from its past | Nov 28 20:07 |
| MinceR | some people are actively trying to repeat past things. | Nov 28 20:08 |
| MinceR | and putin and orban are a threat to my survival. | Nov 28 20:08 |
| msb_ | But _your_ present state can be whatever you want it to be. | Nov 28 20:08 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, it can't | Nov 28 20:08 |
| MinceR | we'd be living in a very different world if it could | Nov 28 20:08 |
| msb_ | So leave Hungary. | Nov 28 20:09 |
| msb_ | Did you read that little book I found for you on Rational-Emotive Therapy? | Nov 28 20:10 |
| MinceR | i've read the pdf on it and found it to be useless | Nov 28 20:10 |
| msb_ | A Brief Introduction To Cognitive-Behaviour Therapy By Wayne Froggatt | Nov 28 20:13 |
| endomorphosis | Hey, so I might end up reading this more often | Nov 28 20:13 |
| endomorphosis | this website | Nov 28 20:13 |
| msb_ | Did you read that? | Nov 28 20:13 |
| endomorphosis | Do you guys ever cross post on reddit and slashdot | Nov 28 20:13 |
| MinceR | i left slashdot ages ago | Nov 28 20:13 |
| MinceR | and reddit more recently | Nov 28 20:13 |
| endomorphosis | i understand | Nov 28 20:13 |
| MinceR | they were both swarmed with evil idiots | Nov 28 20:13 |
| endomorphosis | but the many eyes thing | Nov 28 20:14 |
| msb_ | MinceR: did you read A Brief Introduction To Cognitive-Behaviour Therapy By Wayne Froggatt | Nov 28 20:14 |
| msb_ | ? | Nov 28 20:14 |
| MinceR | msb_: i read a pdf about CBT, i think you linked it | Nov 28 20:14 |
| MinceR | maybe it was that | Nov 28 20:14 |
| MinceR | or rather, skimmed it mostly | Nov 28 20:14 |
| endomorphosis | i feel the same way about the social networks being ran into the ground | Nov 28 20:14 |
| endomorphosis | but there are alot of people pushing back | Nov 28 20:14 |
| MinceR | it was about how to deceive oneself about the world to make them happier | Nov 28 20:15 |
| msb_ | MinceR: If you read it thoroughly and used it, you could heal yourself. | Nov 28 20:15 |
| MinceR | no, i could deceive myself and become less adapted to the world | Nov 28 20:15 |
| endomorphosis | more specifically, i suppose, should I cross post this content to reddit, or will the shills be a distraction | Nov 28 20:16 |
| msb_ | Feel free to post anything I've written to anywhere you want! | Nov 28 20:17 |
| endomorphosis | Does this include places like 8chan and /r/kotakuinaction? | Nov 28 20:18 |
| msb_ | Never heard of them. But unless they're stan | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Never heard of them. But unless they're satanists or islamic head-choppers I guess it's ok. | Nov 28 20:21 |
| endomorphosis | its basically, anti-corrupt journalists, and anti-sjw authoritarians | Nov 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | i hope that means anti-(sjw authoritarians) :> | Nov 28 20:21 |
| endomorphosis | the big bad gamergate trolls, who dare challenge the united nations | Nov 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 28 20:21 |
| endomorphosis | after wikileaks started feeding us info, and telling us to dig alot of us were 'red pilled' | Nov 28 20:22 |
| endomorphosis | wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ | Nov 28 20:23 |
| cubexyz | I thought red pills embraced reality | Nov 28 20:24 |
| cubexyz | blue pills live in ignorance | Nov 28 20:24 |
| MinceR | i think that's what he meant | Nov 28 20:24 |
| MinceR | wikileaks info was the red pill | Nov 28 20:25 |
| cubexyz | ah I see | Nov 28 20:25 |
| cubexyz | all this talk does remind one of the Matrix a bit :) | Nov 28 20:25 |
| endomorphosis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18gU4HSkW9Y | Nov 28 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | #GamerGate: Actually, it's About... - YouTube | Nov 28 20:26 | |
| endomorphosis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbGlhghatw | Nov 28 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | World Internet Government is Coming - YouTube | Nov 28 20:27 | |
| msb_ | endomorphosis: I think it's best to just ignore such control freaks until they get near actually doing something, and then organize people to fight them. And if the CFs win, then figure out ways to work around whatever they've done. | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Slackware Live Edition – Beta 2 | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6ZIjMk8ds9 (alien.slackbook.org) | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » Slackware Live Edition – Beta 2 | Nov 28 20:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Western style top-down shooter '12 is Better | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Than 6' released on Steam for Linux | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EY6zEL5Tqp (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Western style top-down shooter '12 is Better Than 6' released on Steam for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 28 20:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some thoughts on Xenonauts the XCOM inspired | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | strategy game, now it’s native on Linux | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eQcJWNRsPr (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Some thoughts on Xenonauts the XCOM inspired strategy game, now it’s native on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 28 20:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Slackware Live Edition – Beta 2 | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware Live Edition – Beta 2 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 20:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CMS News https://t.co/mA2ssbEXxV | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CMS News | Tux Machines | Nov 28 20:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/pFez8zXDV4 | Nov 28 20:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 28 20:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Openwashing (Fake FOSS) https://t.co/V2SyVNS1Ym | Nov 28 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 20:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing (Fake FOSS) | Tux Machines | Nov 28 20:43 | |
| endomorphosis | I know you guys aren't reddit friendly, I'm posting this stuff around, and will get to slashdot as well. | Nov 28 21:39 |
| endomorphosis | https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/duplicates/3unwbc/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor/ | Nov 28 21:40 |
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| oiaohm | endomorphosis: there is a set of odd timing. Techright site has recently had abnormally high pressure on it filtering system. | Nov 28 23:01 |
| oiaohm | endomorphosis: That does ask questions if the EPO sticks to only legal methods. | Nov 28 23:02 |
| endomorphosis | what do you mean by filtering, you mean reddit filtering | Nov 28 23:02 |
| oiaohm | endomorphosis: techright site has filtering systems to restrict damage ddos attacks can do. | Nov 28 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Normally that is not presured. | Nov 28 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Also techrights schestowitz recived an invalid formated take down request as well. | Nov 28 23:04 |
| endomorphosis | oh, you're getting ddosed? | Nov 28 23:05 |
| oiaohm | http://techrights.org/2015/11/27/slapp-and-epo/ | Nov 28 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Did Not Want to Take Down One Techrights Article, It Wanted to Take Down Many Articles Using Intimidation, SLAPPing, and Psychological Manipulation Late on a Friday Night | Techrights | Nov 28 23:05 | |
| oiaohm | endomorphosis: the thing here is ddos attacks have hit techrights many times over the years. | Nov 28 23:05 |
| oiaohm | and its not like techrights has only one enemy out there. | Nov 28 23:06 |
| oiaohm | http://techrights.org/2015/07/01/speculations-about-ddos-attacks/ | Nov 28 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speculations About the EPO’s Possible Role in DDOS Attacks | Techrights | Nov 28 23:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/668177489005551616 | Nov 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | BS* | Nov 22 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Faster boot has never been the selling point... https://t.co/8BSO0pvAqO | Nov 22 00:20 | |
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| schestowitz | Lord Poettering, LP | Nov 22 00:20 |
| schestowitz | and I probably misspelled his name, too | Nov 22 00:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 tricks every Android user should know | Nov 22 02:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7mHOx42CYX | Nov 22 02:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (timesofindia.indiatimes.com) | Nov 22 02:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oaz2q | Nov 22 02:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofindia.indiatimes.com | 10 tricks every Android user should know- The Times of India | Nov 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | >> Do you have experience with Java or have used Eclipse before? Now | Nov 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | > there's Android Studio, but should be similar... | Nov 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | > I'm familiar with Java and Eclipse but now that I've thought about it, I | Nov 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | > don't know enough to write an application. | Nov 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Start with a working sample app and then 'hack' on it... | Nov 22 02:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tronsmart Orion R68 Review: Full Android | Nov 22 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Set-Top Box https://t.co/hI1KsZtkVA | Nov 22 03:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | Tronsmart Orion R68 Review: Full Android Set-Top Box | Nov 22 03:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/Fyj6JnvECw | Nov 22 03:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 22 03:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dell Ultra HD 4K Monitor P2415Q Works Great On | Nov 22 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Systems https://t.co/Z02wHmOGrY | Nov 22 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) well, why wouldn't it? | Nov 22 03:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob03z | Nov 22 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Dell Ultra HD 4K Monitor P2415Q Works Great On Linux Systems Review - Phoronix | Nov 22 03:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Knoppix 7.6 Now Available | Nov 22 03:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/G3xXsIZCff (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 22 03:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob0c9 | Nov 22 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Knoppix 7.6 Now Available - Phoronix | Nov 22 03:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/Fyj6JnvECw' | Nov 22 03:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sublevel Zero, The First-person | Nov 22 03:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Six-degree-of-freedom Shooter Now Works On | Nov 22 03:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/gmkKuzcpq4 | Nov 22 03:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released | Nov 22 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mWd2J8QdJA (linuxg.net) | Nov 22 03:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CrossOver, Wine RC, and a Final Release in 2015 | Nov 22 03:52 |
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| schestowitz | 'Are you serious? "Turn on this tracking technology, and then this, and also very convenient, this tracking technology." | Nov 22 04:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6840858 | Nov 22 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 10 tricks every Android user should know http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/slideshow/10-tricks-every-android-user-should-know/itslideshow/49870276.cms | Nov 22 04:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> timesofindia.indiatimes.com | 10 tricks every Android user should know- The Times of India | Nov 22 04:02 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 22 04:03 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 22 04:03 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 22 04:03 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668279429072887808 | Nov 22 04:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz great investigative work! | Nov 22 04:07 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-about-windows-bsod.txt | Nov 22 04:28 |
| cubexyz | ok, this one bears a repeat :) | Nov 22 04:30 |
| cubexyz | since it's funny | Nov 22 04:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/wtSvOCHiuH | Nov 22 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 22 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 22 09:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Running a mainline kernel on a cellphone | Nov 22 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/b4sIvmsDph (lwn.net) | Nov 22 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Running a mainline kernel on a cellphone [LWN.net] | Nov 22 09:33 | |
| msb_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V15rnpZ_hV4 | Nov 22 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Cats invade G20 summit stage in feline security breach - YouTube | Nov 22 10:34 | |
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| msb__ | Ukrainian Nazis blew up powerlines supplying Crimea: https://www.rt.com/news/323012-crimea-blackout-lines-blown-up/ | Nov 22 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | State of emergency, blackout in Russia’s Crimea after transmission towers in Ukraine blown up — RT News | Nov 22 11:44 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: particularly bad time to be down in power thinking they are entering their winter. | Nov 22 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | msb__: off topic here | Nov 22 11:54 |
| msb__ | Antiaircraft systems sold to ISIL from Ukraine, shipped to Syria: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/151119203924350.html | Nov 22 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aljazeera.com | Kuwait says it busted international ISIL support cell - Al Jazeera English | Nov 22 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: off topic here | Nov 22 11:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ar7UTeBxXp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Tux Machines | Nov 22 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Tos6ubOy3M (www.itwire.com) | Nov 22 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 13:12 | |
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| schestowitz | > x http://time.com/4121798/microsoft-lumia-950-review/ | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > "M$ Most __ Evar" formula | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > There is a hell of a lot of M$ spam in all the mainstream media the last | Nov 22 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com | Microsoft Lumia 950 Windows 10 Phone Review | Nov 22 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | > few days. | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | yes, I think that the best approach is to ignore these. I'm too busy with urgent EPO things to rebut Microsoft crap at the moment, unless it's something severe and anti-Linux. | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422378410541056 https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422379412963329 | Nov 22 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Dr. Roy Schestowitz @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fio... https://t.co/HryVAy6nl7 #GOP | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQa | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Privacy Now! @All4Privacy: RT @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (... https://t.co/cM8mGnbmzl #GOP | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQa | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by All4Privacy) | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zaurav/status/668426463985704961 | Nov 22 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zaurav: @schestowitz no it’s not. And the text that distinguishes it as an ad is place AFTER the ad so you read it like a tweet. Hoodwinking. | Nov 22 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | twitter is spammed with ads now | Nov 22 13:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeScots45/status/668426743078912000 | Nov 22 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeScots45: mass surveillance is not about catching terrorists, it's about controlling the masses with terrorism as the excuse https://t.co/sxCx54T03v | Nov 22 13:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. mass surveillance has not thwarted a single large scale terrorist attack and blame is on @Snowden https://t.co/GJ41iB3B4a | Nov 22 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433074338865152 https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433647641456640 | Nov 22 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz "...has a duty of care... must protect our employees, independently of... status." In some country this is "faccia di merda". | Nov 22 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @ghabuntu @schestowitz apparently they don't know that there are other "families" in the world. Good ones, forget about it... | Nov 22 14:21 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668439784919015424 | Nov 22 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz we need status net back! | Nov 22 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | indeed, but well overdue, there's gnu social | Nov 22 14:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440468280238080 | Nov 22 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz gnud point ;0) | Nov 22 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440652582141952 | Nov 22 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz That was a very poor pun. Nude point? Good point! | Nov 22 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668444864011304960 | Nov 22 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7p | Nov 22 15:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7p | Nov 22 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks for enlightening me | Nov 22 15:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445264194048000 | Nov 22 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz no problem; I enjoy your work. | Nov 22 15:05 | |
| schestowitz | Was it IRA? Which year? | Nov 22 15:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445721465520128 | Nov 22 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz that was al-Qaeda, same day as the subway attacks, which overshadowed it, IIRC | Nov 22 15:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/november/lin-anonymous-isis-111815.html http://www.businessinsider.com.au/anonymous-war-isis-gripes-2015-11 | Nov 22 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.stanford.edu | Stanford cybersecurity expert Herb Lin analyzes Anonymous' hacking attacks on ISIS [ http://ur1.ca/ob37p ] | Nov 22 15:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com.au | Some Anonymous members are complaining about the 'war' on ISIS | Business Insider | Nov 22 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/668450089355059200 | Nov 22 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pinguinpatje: We don't need Fox, we have "our" government... https://t.co/50lnt0b87o | Nov 22 15:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #newscorp Fox 'news' uses #parisAttacks to promote radical right wingers https://t.co/sayKoMSF3U | Nov 22 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/668450300819316737 | Nov 22 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz IRA? Al-Qaeda? | Nov 22 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | yes, someone pointed this out to me | Nov 22 15:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668451897330667520 | Nov 22 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Also, with due respect (as I share your distaste for pervasive 'domestic' surveillance, and favor freedom of information)... | Nov 22 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256 | Nov 22 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz ... there is considerable evidence of IRGC/Hezbollah presence in SA, including their involvement in the attack on the Israeli.. | Nov 22 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256 | Nov 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Argentina is said to have that, as well as many 'good' or 'reformed' Nazis http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thehistoryofargentina/a/Why-Did-Argentina-Accept-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-World-War-Two.htm | Nov 22 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latinamericanhistory.about.com | Why Did Argentina Accept Nazi War Criminals After WWII? | Nov 22 15:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Tux Machines | Nov 22 16:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3PNI9pUtle (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob3ce | Nov 22 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Tux Machines | Nov 22 16:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF | Nov 22 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Nov 22 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @speedytux https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 18:49 |
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| cubexyz | interesting points about Unix v6: | Nov 22 19:50 |
| cubexyz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060616172103795 | Nov 22 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - UNIX Methods and Concepts: Putting the Genie Back in the Bottle, by Salus & Toomey | Nov 22 19:50 | |
| cubexyz | there's another interesting story there... | Nov 22 19:58 |
| cubexyz | everything up to v7 is totally out in the open | Nov 22 19:58 |
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| cubexyz | but v8, v9 and v10 is not | Nov 22 19:58 |
| cubexyz | I have no idea why not, but it's not | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Three Cool Features Nice to Have When | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n58vLIKFQM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Tux Machines | Nov 22 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Nov 22 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BiM6xTNqkQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 19:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Tux Machines | Nov 22 19:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 22 20:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qD6LgcCgqZ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 20:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other | Nov 22 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Releases https://t.co/sGICbM3De3 | Nov 22 20:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other New Releases | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME, KDE Leftovers https://t.co/mntIBQUobS | Nov 22 20:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME, KDE Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 22 21:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 22 21:07 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Tux Machines | Nov 22 21:07 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: thanks for the memory of groklaw | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | no chance of it coming back, I guess | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | webbink ran it for a while | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | he's with red hat now | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's partner standstill buddies | Nov 22 22:28 |
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| msb__ | Groklaw is still there, it just hasn't been updated in two years. | Nov 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Nov 22 22:43 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: But your sites have pretty much taken over the same function (and more). | Nov 22 22:43 |
| msb__ | Perhaps microshit has learned to hide and shred more effectively than they did before (e.g., the Comes case). | Nov 22 22:46 |
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| oiaohm | I would not say Microsoft has got better at hidding the facts. | Nov 22 22:51 |
| MinceR | people have gotten worse at caring, though | Nov 22 22:52 |
| MinceR | i didn't see a lot of outrage about the botnettier, spywarey-er vista10 | Nov 22 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Not that either. If people cared about security XP would not have sold. | Nov 22 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Since Windows 10 screw up lot of governement have annonced plans to migrate to open source. | Nov 22 22:55 |
| oiaohm | So there has been some document evidence of outrage. | Nov 22 22:56 |
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| cubexyz | if what I see on the Microsoft forums is any indication people are definitely jumping ship | Nov 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | employees too | Nov 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | if they can | Nov 23 00:02 |
| MinceR | and crApple made closed, dumbed-down systems hip | Nov 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | unless they get fired, too | Nov 23 00:03 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks, apple stuff, bsd, linux, etc | Nov 23 00:03 |
| cubexyz | yes, well lots of room for improvement still :) | Nov 23 00:03 |
| MinceR | and humanity is making some more room for improvement | Nov 23 00:03 |
| MinceR | by making things worse | Nov 23 00:03 |
| cubexyz | even the console folks are complaining about Microsoft | Nov 23 00:04 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Psychopathy is part of the human genome. New psychopathic individuals, organizations, and actions will always spring up. From Babylon 5: | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war... | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | but not completely. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | Delenn: The war is never completely won. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | There are always new battles to be fought | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | against the darkness. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | Only the names change. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| MinceR | "I cast Magic Missile at the darkness!" | Nov 23 00:14 |
| MinceR | once humanity exterminates itself, it will no longer be able to fight wars, though | Nov 23 00:15 |
| msb__ | That's your paranoid fantasy. It's not going to happen. | Nov 23 00:15 |
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| msb__ | FOSS _is_ a Magic Missile -- no mass, no cost, infinitely replicable, available to everyone. We're onto a good thing here! | Nov 23 00:19 |
| MinceR | Magic Missiles can only be targeted at creatures, not "the darkness" | Nov 23 00:21 |
| msb__ | I'm not familiar with whatever game you're talking about. I was referring to the general concept. The attack that could come closest to extermination might be an engineered biowar virus. But some people will still be immune, and if you keep a few pounds of Vitamin C around, you will probably be able to beat it. | Nov 23 00:24 |
| MinceR | http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicMissile.htm | Nov 23 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.d20srd.org | Magic Missile :: d20srd.org | Nov 23 00:26 | |
| msb__ | Basically, Magick is accomlishing things simply by being in a conscious frame of mind, and speaking particular words. That describes FOSS! | Nov 23 00:31 |
| msb__ | The words are the source code. | Nov 23 00:32 |
| msb__ | It's very powerful. We just have to keep it under control to avoid things like Skynet or the Krell machine. | Nov 23 00:33 |
| msb__ | Or nanotech grey goo. | Nov 23 00:34 |
| msb__ | Or Colossus the Forbin Project. This is where sci-fi is very important. There has been a lot of thought put into these things. Asimov wrote a whole book of stories about robots that found ways to circumvent his Three Laws. | Nov 23 00:38 |
| msb__ | Rule #1: Do NOT put nuclear weapons under control by autonomous AIs. | Nov 23 00:41 |
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| msb__ | Good Lord! Colossus had discrete transistor electronics and used punched paper tape! | Nov 23 01:00 |
| msb__ | Rule #2: Do not let locatedb run if some of your disks aren't mounted. | Nov 23 01:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Nov 23 01:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mO87Gi3L1H (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 01:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Tux Machines | Nov 23 01:02 | |
| msb__ | Oh, and Nixie tubes! | Nov 23 01:03 |
| msb__ | Rule #3: If a computer has Nixie tube readouts, don't think it's too stupid to be dangerous. Somebody had a lot of money to throw around. | Nov 23 01:05 |
| msb__ | Rule #4: Don't give good software negative names like "The GIMP". | Nov 23 01:07 |
| msb__ | ...You could piss it off and it could turn against you. | Nov 23 01:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 01:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 23 01:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 23 01:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some Android users face quandry with USB-C | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VLQmiQSNaS (www.usatoday.com) | Nov 23 01:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Some Android users face quandry with USB-C | Nov 23 01:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "But a task often involves launching several | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | applications." https://t.co/liLfm2MmQ4 | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blogs.gnome.org) | Nov 23 01:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Apps and tools every Android power user should | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have on their device #3 https://t.co/fkY3lu48qt | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Nov 23 01:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Apps and tools every Android power user should have on their device #3 | Nov 23 01:25 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | for Fedora 24 Linux https://t.co/FXEIgB7jXk | Nov 23 01:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split for Fedora 24 Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 23 01:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | China next year? https://t.co/UGX0MRd4Fq | Nov 23 08:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Nov 23 08:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Harald, Jonathan Riddell, and new #muon for | Nov 23 08:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #kde users https://t.co/4wzRQdFfOb | Nov 23 08:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (apachelog.wordpress.com) great stuff. #freesw | Nov 23 08:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Nov 23 08:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apachelog.wordpress.com | Muon 5.5 and Carrots | やった | Nov 23 08:57 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: seems as though RMS hardly even knew/kept up with the MS-Red Hat deal. | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman wrote on 23/11/15 02:09: | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > > To put it concisely, Red Hat signed a deal with Microsoft which not only | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > > involved technical work but also what they call patent "standstill". | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > In concrete terms, what did they agree to do? | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | It is effectively a technical collaboration which also involves a ceasefire regarding patents. | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > It is impossible to discuss whether it is good or bad | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > until we know what it _is_. | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | We know too little about the patent aspects. | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > > wording | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > > in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency, so one | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > > cannot verify these claims. | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > You seem to be talking about text I have not seen. | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | I will quote the relevant part for you: | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | ___________________________________________ | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | 4. Does the new partnership address patents? | Nov 23 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and Microsoft have agreed to a limited patent arrangement in connection with the commercial partnership for the benefit of mutual customers. | Nov 23 08:59 |
| schestowitz | The heart of the arrangement is a patent standstill that provides that neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering. Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property. | Nov 23 08:59 |
| schestowitz | The partnership is between commercial companies related to their common customer offerings, spurred by customer demand. Both parties carefully designed for FOSS licensing compliance in building the arrangement and each party’s relationship to the FOSS community stands on its own. | Nov 23 08:59 |
| schestowitz | _____________________________________________ | Nov 23 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Source: http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership | Nov 23 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 23 08:59 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-152-85-248.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Nov 23 09:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 23 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rcZTcpmQ4u (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 23 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available for | Nov 23 09:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux in Steam Early Access | Nov 23 09:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3dLDKEICDF (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 23 09:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available for SteamOS & Linux in Steam Early Access | GamingOnLinux | Nov 23 09:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sheltered, survive the apocalypse in this | Nov 23 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | disaster management game on SteamOS & Linux | Nov 23 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o2luR81JgK (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 23 09:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Sheltered, survive the apocalypse in this disaster management game on SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 23 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFBpLjce-Q | Nov 23 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Benoît Battistelli on Patent Trolls - YouTube | Nov 23 10:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @eq_crowdfunding favourited 'How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last...' | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rally 5.63% https://t.co/tS48BfXNiU | Nov 23 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.americantradejournal.com | Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) Rally 5.63% | American Trade Journal | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Yp2RYsIOcM (www.tecmint.com) | Nov 23 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YKAwS8n2s6 | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.everydaylinuxuser.com) | Nov 23 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 « Everyday Linux User | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship | Nov 23 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone to go for https://t.co/8CTM3nCJwL | Nov 23 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for | Tux Machines | Nov 23 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Nov 23 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/97gaLtrFf8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Tux Machines | Nov 23 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, | Nov 23 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zYSDmgAyP5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob9vp | Nov 23 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Tux Machines | Nov 23 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448273411936 | Nov 23 11:01 |
| schestowitz | " It is never a good idea to post something anonymously, even under the present circumstances, because it can be easily disregarded. The President has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities, so the only remedy is to use one's own name, which I intend to do. After all it is not bringing the Office into disrepute, it is simply expressing concern, and it is an internal communication to one's own AC member | Nov 23 11:01 |
| schestowitz | so I fail to see how it could give rise to any disciplinary measure. Anyway, if enough people do it there is safety in numbers." | Nov 23 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September | Nov 23 11:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dtYeQVuzip (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba19 | Nov 23 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4-rc2 https://t.co/nf0mzSvE87 | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1b | Nov 23 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.4-rc2 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Vienna is Probably the Name of | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BlackBerry’s Second https://t.co/6RzgMGFTc2 | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (neurogadget.com) | Nov 23 11:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com | BlackBerry Vienna is Probably the Name of BlackBerry’s Second Android Smartphone - Neurogadget.com | Nov 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4-rc2 https://t.co/ntwpYeLvFZ | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Nov 23 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.4-rc2 | Nov 23 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Fedora 24 Linux https://t.co/fOl67yrRLV | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split for Fedora 24 Linux | Nov 23 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Most Widgets to CSS Nodes | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BS4sYjjnGy (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port Most Widgets to CSS Nodes | Nov 23 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sUWSyx8zvO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6eSttFyDNV (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1w | Nov 23 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qdolUIiX42 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/668755955417399296 | Nov 23 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Nov 23 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gRF5uy1pYF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment | Nov 23 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | forms https://t.co/fefeN1zrM8 | Nov 23 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship | Nov 23 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone to go for https://t.co/0YlYNGQLsI | Nov 23 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (tech.firstpost.com) | Nov 23 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for - Tech2 | Nov 23 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668755265894903808 | Nov 23 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Go ahead #Battistelli, show the World what you really are ! https://t.co/h62ZmZ9vnC | Nov 23 11:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #EPO President #Battistelli Now Intimidates Even National Delegations https://t.co/vYij2NtnJg https://t.co/CMIUWvePoB | Nov 23 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756071289368576 | Nov 23 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! | Nov 23 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756153359278080 | Nov 23 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! https://t.co/bpmTKcwfph | Nov 23 11:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #epo #battistelli "has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities" https://t.co/7b6QlG7X2W | Nov 23 11:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rnOLcJ89cH (fossforce.com) | Nov 23 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | FOSS Force | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9Lw9zSbf3L (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QTY9araawi (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba37 | Nov 23 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Around the world with Fedora Planet | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7tj2yj4JG0 | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Nov 23 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/around-world-fedora-planet/ ) | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta, Designed for Containerized Apps | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oChKVISsCb (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in Beta, Designed for Containerized Apps | Nov 23 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ultimate Pro Audio Distro | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RY5TciB2nm (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the Ultimate Pro Audio Distro | Nov 23 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DgLAWRk3YO (dnf.baseurl.org) | Nov 23 11:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | DNF | Nov 23 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KXzG17e14N (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 12:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8JYfMLIz07 (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 12:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AqpyGvIAaC | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.martin-graesslin.com) | Nov 23 12:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Martin's Blog | Nov 23 12:05 | |
| *ariendj (~quassel@ip-178-200-61-78.hsi07.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #techrights | Nov 23 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/668762489065250817 | Nov 23 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Do you have any information about Astra-Linux and AltLinux? | Nov 23 12:09 | |
| schestowitz | Not recent | Nov 23 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6844510 | Nov 23 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Proprietary software described as "safe" http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/truecrypt-is-safer-than-previously-reported-detailed-analysis-concludes/ but you cannot quite check the code to verify this | Nov 23 12:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | TrueCrypt is safer than previously reported, detailed analysis concludes | Ars Technica | Nov 23 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | "Fraunhofer Institute just sullied their reputation by endorsing non free software for it’s least fit purpose. Might as well endorse patent medicine." | Nov 23 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "Much more interesting, whats about Vera-Crypt?" | Nov 23 12:18 |
| *XRevan86 (~XRevan86@meowr.ru) has joined #techrights | Nov 23 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6841067 | Nov 23 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Promoting #freespeech and #freesw is ""harming state security" in #syria apparently... punishment? Death. http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2015/11/13/urgent-reports-.html | Nov 23 12:19 | |
| schestowitz | "This article is pretty comprehensive and has links to sources. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/46265 No mention of “harming state security” but that seems like a minor detail. | Nov 23 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joi.ito.com | Urgent: Reports that Bassel Khartabil has been sentenced to death - Joi Ito's Web | Nov 23 12:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative Commons | Nov 23 12:19 | |
| schestowitz | I will try to keep an eye open for any updates on this... at first I just assumed these reports mean he's likely already dead. | Nov 23 12:20 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/ part of the truecrypt audit group is to fix the license problems. | Nov 23 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-istruecryptauditedyet.com | Is TrueCrypt Audited Yet? | Nov 23 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they need to show the source | Nov 23 12:24 |
| schestowitz | not make secret audits | Nov 23 12:24 |
| schestowitz | (IMHO) | Nov 23 12:24 |
| oiaohm | 7.1a source code is on github. | Nov 23 12:24 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/AuditProject | Nov 23 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | AuditProject (OpenCryptoAudit.org) · GitHub | Nov 23 12:27 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/TrueCrypt_Phase_II_NCC_OCAP_final.pdf the report on what they found. | Nov 23 12:27 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so its not a secret audit. | Nov 23 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Now checking the source and fixing licensing faults before the flaws in truecrypt can truly be fixed. | Nov 23 12:28 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: even so the final report on truecrypt 7.1a is was highly interesting. | Nov 23 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | forms https://t.co/d6DkdL1tfr | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (joinup.ec.europa.eu) | Nov 23 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Joinup | Nov 23 13:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default https://t.co/TSJ3TYRHt5 | Nov 23 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Nov 23 13:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Spiraling head first into open source | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OAEMnjJvGf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Spiraling head first into open source | Tux Machines | Nov 23 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | > "Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups" | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > Little fascists... | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | yes, saw that yesterday. The censors are winning by indoctrination, as they do with surveillance and copyright. | Nov 23 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pewresearch.org | 40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities | Pew Research Center | Nov 23 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6845764 | Nov 23 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-now-comes-with-a-twitter-scope-by-default-496564.shtml | Nov 23 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Auch deswegen meide ich Ubuntu." | Nov 23 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xTyO0HzWWQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obael | Nov 23 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Tux Machines | Nov 23 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default https://t.co/zTvb1Nc2mF | Nov 23 13:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaen | Nov 23 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Tux Machines | Nov 23 13:49 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks followed @tuxmachines | Nov 23 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gotta Badge ‘Em All: Introduction to Fedora | Nov 23 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Badges https://t.co/xL1hTOoolq | Nov 23 13:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ http://blog.justinwflory.com/2015/11/gotta-badge-em-introduction-fedora-badges/ ) | Nov 23 13:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Body Computing System continuations | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EpH7w8nkP5 (whatthefuck.computer) | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaey | Nov 23 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatthefuck.computer | Body Computing System continuations - Computer :( | Nov 23 13:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenStack Liberty and Debian | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rhDTbFAydT (thomas.goirand.fr) | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaf4 | Nov 23 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomas.goirand.fr | OpenStack Liberty and Debian – Zigo's blog | Nov 23 13:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone | Nov 23 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With 3GB RAM Launched https://t.co/vBRQ27jHOZ | Nov 23 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone With 3GB RAM Launched | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/dQmKJbR9o9 | Nov 23 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3,...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old...' | Nov 23 14:53 | |
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| amonobeax | Hey guys is the techrights.org down for someone else? | Nov 23 15:13 |
| MinceR | it's down for me | Nov 23 15:14 |
| amonobeax | okay, just checking thanks | Nov 23 15:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/23/paint_drying_movie/ | Nov 23 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Brit filmmaker plans 10hr+ Paint Drying epic • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/obaoh ] | Nov 23 15:41 | |
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| amonobeax | wow, techrights.org is really really slow | Nov 23 16:00 |
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| cubexyz | maybe it's a DOS attack | Nov 23 16:02 |
| cubexyz | ruffle the wrong feathers and... | Nov 23 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/668837423879749632 | Nov 23 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz lol Damn it Jim, I'm a user, not a consumer | Nov 23 17:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Nov 23 20:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obbjd | Nov 23 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Nov 23 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rVa2EpA0aB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obbjg | Nov 23 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Users https://t.co/dutwcmkKkP | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced Linux Users | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/qZkXPjLdtv | Nov 23 20:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Nov 23 20:49 | |
| XRevan86 | http://cronostech.no-ip.org/posts/257474 | Nov 23 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cronostech.no-ip.org | If You’re So Smar... | Nov 23 21:50 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 23 22:38 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 23 22:38 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 23 22:38 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668920186028875776 | Nov 23 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz Great desktop environment. | Nov 23 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/668921853520515072 | Nov 23 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/8UZQ5Sk0P1 | Nov 23 22:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@heiseonline: Europäisches Patentamt setzt Gewerkschaftsspitze vor die Tür https://t.co/i9phRvHXNp | Nov 23 22:46 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 23 23:04 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 23 23:04 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 23 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/UbuntuTopNews/status/668936703113990147 | Nov 23 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXS | Nov 23 23:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gettopical.com | Topical | Nov 23 23:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXS | Nov 23 23:41 | |
| msb__ | https://www.rt.com/shows/documentary/313429-internet-hacker-fbi-corporations/ | Nov 23 23:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | The hacker wars RT — Documentary [ http://ur1.ca/obc90 ] | Nov 23 23:45 | |
| MinceR | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html | Nov 23 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | hacker | Nov 23 23:48 | |
| msb__ | Yes, MinceR, we know. | Nov 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/668945402390016004 | Nov 24 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz It's fun to pick and choose which "facts" we verify. | Nov 24 00:19 | |
| msb__ | RT just ran a story about a referendum in Ohio to legalize Cannabis. Reliable polls showed it passing by 53%, but the electronic voting machines were observed switching votes and it lost by a 2 to 1 ratio. | Nov 24 00:31 |
| msb__ | The rulers know that psychedelics help people see through the rulers' lies. | Nov 24 00:32 |
| MinceR | sounds like not only the usa needs them, then | Nov 24 00:33 |
| msb__ | Sure, all the Western governments that are US allies, and all the people robotized by Islam. | Nov 24 00:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/668950629373603840 | Nov 24 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway https://t.co/GWBO2E3wKq | Nov 24 00:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP Article 14.17 & Free Software: No Harm, No Foul https://t.co/9PwzVIIKxJ #freesw cc @glynmoody | Nov 24 00:35 | |
| MinceR | sure, only those have lying rulers | Nov 24 00:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/668951464639913984 | Nov 24 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Ho ho ho :D | Nov 24 00:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/668953862934544384 | Nov 24 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Happy Birthday, #GIMP!!! #freesw #opensource https://t.co/QhwrmdofxU | Nov 24 00:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GIMP , the free open source Photoshop alternative, turns 20 https://t.co/1wJKVQV76U https://t.co/4CZ7SX1iQy great #freesw | Nov 24 00:54 | |
| MinceR | http://cheezburger.com/8587952384/study-of-the-day-pew-research-shows-40-percent-of-millennials-would-censor-offensive-speech | Nov 24 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Study of The Day: Pew Research Shows 40 Percent of Millennials Would Censor Offensive Speech - Cheezburger | Nov 24 01:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second | Nov 24 02:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Linux 4.4 RC https://t.co/R9d5yxhyO7 | Nov 24 02:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second Linux 4.4 RC | Techrights | Nov 24 02:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Netrunner 17 released https://t.co/i18q6eHbpb | Nov 24 02:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Netrunner 17 released | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/34oAVo6jFB | Nov 24 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux: Kernel, Graphics https://t.co/8ZpnnT1GLS | Nov 24 02:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/oQiwGTdRym | Nov 24 02:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually | Nov 24 03:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Impaired Users https://t.co/bkE2EhT29B | Nov 24 03:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Tux Machines | Nov 24 03:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Devs to Concentrate More on the...' | Nov 24 03:55 | |
| schestowitz | >> > German-to-English translation needed | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | >> > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europaeisches-Patentamt-setzt-Gewerkschaftsspitze-vor-die-Tuer-3015171.html | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | >> > techrights too cited | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heise.de | Europäisches Patentamt setzt Gewerkschaftsspitze vor die Tür | heise online | Nov 24 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | > There you go. Techrights isn't actually cited in this article, the | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | > reference I could see is below, w.r.t. Microsoft. | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Excellent, thank you so much! | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | There is a link in the article to the letter from Hardon, which complains about BB's harassment. It's a link to Techrights. I shall publish this now and again, thank you so much! | Nov 24 07:41 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448353460399 | Nov 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | I am not clear how HvA manages to conclude that: | Nov 24 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions | Nov 24 09:03 | |
| schestowitz | 'the EBoA decision Art 23 1/15, which concluded that there was no convincing evidence whatsoever in this respect. Said DG3 member is thus innocent and Lord Schiemmann has been proven to be wrong.' | Nov 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | I've read the decision and I do not understand the EBA as having reached that conclusion. As I understand it, the EBA didn't come to any conclusion about the innocence of the DG3 member or the findings of the DC, but due to the complete pig's ear the EPO made of presenting the case, ruled it inadmissible. Not nearly the same thing. | Nov 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 09:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic | Nov 24 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | survival game being given away for Linux | Nov 24 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LkaKDBqckj (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 10:27 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game...' | Nov 24 10:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game being given away for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 10:27 | |
| cubexyz | it's stupid criminalizing smoking a plant | Nov 24 10:36 |
| cubexyz | personally I think smoking isn't a good idea for health reasons but criminalizing more and more things just leads to social strife | Nov 24 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KJ2UpxGzLd (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS recently? https://t.co/deuYc0wE8s | Nov 24 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & SteamOS recently? | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Impaired Users https://t.co/CA13yFYj6t | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a ‘Thank You’ | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/alRIfBMRQK (fossforce.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a 'Thank You' | FOSS Force | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Help Fedora test Wayland! | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ETq031Wc1W (fedoramagazine.org) | Nov 24 11:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fedoramagazine.org/help-fedora-test-wayland/ ) | Nov 24 11:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chapeau 23, Here's How https://t.co/PITm1BnfDc | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 11:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to Chapeau 23, Here's How | Nov 24 11:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Cyber Perils https://t.co/DkGH0plcvi | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (billsinsider.com) | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obi29 | Nov 24 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billsinsider.com | The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network From Cyber Perils | Nov 24 11:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tumbleweed install for November | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6Qd84DwGFn | Nov 24 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Tumbleweed install for November | Thoughts on computing | Nov 24 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bullet https://t.co/gif6MJeauM | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.dedoimedo.com) | Nov 24 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Nov 24 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GLBmIoOj5f (distrowatch.com) | Nov 24 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Nov 24 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on | Nov 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LXLE https://t.co/G5TCe3snj7 | Nov 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thelinuxexperiment.com) | Nov 24 11:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelinuxexperiment.com | Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on LXLE | The Linux Experiment | Nov 24 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RoHKOaTSGa | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxblog.darkduck.com) | Nov 24 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt - Linux notes from DarkDuck | Nov 24 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | East's open source development community | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sJiniBl4XF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North East's open source development community | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6846891 | Nov 24 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights down for 1.5 hours today not because of many readers but because of MASSIVE number of cracking attempts | Nov 24 11:55 | |
| schestowitz | "Yea..." | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BIfI5ioZe5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bullet https://t.co/YpDYNo928z | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6847875 | Nov 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | I was a bit hasty to speak about it, seem v0.2.0 should be out around February 2016, but they are likely to have a repo for it then since it should become BodhiLinux default desktop. Right now it’s in GitHub and the Enlightenment bits are not purged yet. | Nov 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Should I pm you about it? I will likely try it anyway | Nov 24 11:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Installing #enlightenment as I have grown tired after 7 months of endless frustration with #kf5 - #plasma5 just not ready. #kde | Nov 24 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | For now I've quit trying Enlightenment because it didn't neatly support my dual head of even get my screen res right... | Nov 24 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Nov 24 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XsLA4CiMcE (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obi7c | Nov 24 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Nov 24 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/P4Hu2kVtGO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Tux Machines | Nov 24 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux | Nov 24 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/aaboenpy1p (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/6I9AYfVngd | Nov 24 12:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (webconverger.org) | Nov 24 12:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webconverger.org | Webconverger 33 release | Nov 24 12:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to | Nov 24 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Compare Supercomputers https://t.co/0KzEJERFCy | Nov 24 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (insidehpc.com) | Nov 24 14:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insidehpc.com | New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to Compare Supercomputers - insideHPC | Nov 24 14:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to...' | Nov 24 14:06 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements...' | Nov 24 14:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6849693 | Nov 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Good luck with that proceeding!" | Nov 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Keep it up! Good luck, and if I recall correctly, isn’t the same EPO who deliver software patent (not applying a technical innovation) despite those not being legal?" | Nov 24 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #epo attempts to silence me with #slapp http://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-threatens-defamatory-blogger-with-legal-action-9243 the latest modus operandi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP | Nov 24 14:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.worldipreview.com | EPO threatens ‘defamatory’ blogger with legal action | Nov 24 14:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 24 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | yes, that was originally my issue with them... before I discovered far more severe issues. | Nov 24 14:43 |
| MinceR | http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-11-23-The-End-Of-Godwins-Law.jpg | Nov 24 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TalesAcrossTime Howl of The Wolf is out! | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vfz2t17JNQ (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines @Blushingflwr @NovaClass | Nov 24 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Howl of The Wolf | Nov 24 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jTFBAzpXLj (techcrunch.com) | Nov 24 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 With Improved Android Emulator And New Instant Run Feature | TechCrunch | Nov 24 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Marshmallow Updates https://t.co/7k6NQJs4jo | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) "on select Android One | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones." | Nov 24 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow Updates – But Only To Android One Phones : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 24 14:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true | Nov 24 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android PC' deliver? https://t.co/QerrN0pKh5 | Nov 24 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techrepublic.com) | Nov 24 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true Android PC' deliver? - TechRepublic | Nov 24 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Life of Tunir https://t.co/w8qwqj6rQG | Nov 24 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Life of Tunir | Nov 24 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycle | Nov 24 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f (people.debian.org) | Nov 24 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_30/ ) | Nov 24 15:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @TecnologiaFree retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycle https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f' | Nov 24 15:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/xDYhh6QjR8 | Nov 24 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 15:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Webconverger 33 release | Tux Machines | Nov 24 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | WOW! | Nov 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | WIPR has just taken down the story. | Nov 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Did someone make a phonecall or send a nasty letter? | Nov 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't be shocked if BB resorted to this kind or thing... | Nov 24 15:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5 | Nov 24 16:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 16:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tecknocrat | Nov 24 16:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/669171155333353473 | Nov 24 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat favourited 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5' | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/23/9784604/dell-ssl-security-problem-xps-inspiron-edellroot | Nov 24 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Two Dell laptop models are shipping with a Superfish-style certificate hack | The Verge | Nov 24 16:21 | |
| MinceR | https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html | Nov 24 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | On Hacking - Richard Stallman | Nov 24 16:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp | Nov 24 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LpzVDpUq2e | Nov 24 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-economictimes.indiatimes.com | Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp - The Economic Times | Nov 24 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK | Nov 24 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Download] https://t.co/WCY3Xz6PQQ | Nov 24 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK Download] | Nov 24 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7q1alCuOp9 (www.fool.com) | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season -- The Motley Fool | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Last call for FLOCK 2016 bids | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jOKIYaYxgw | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/last-call-bids-for-flock-2016/ ) | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hamster rediscovered | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/w2wMY3OJz4 (dummdida.tumblr.com) | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NesCTeSMHr (error) | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IIRVWKN6k8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source | Nov 24 18:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware Projects https://t.co/QJrmNeNRx4 | Nov 24 18:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source Hardware Projects | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software | Nov 24 18:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hit https://t.co/EZofka9wLY | Nov 24 18:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software Hit | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/bDzEY1smfF | Nov 24 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/DFMyrCSyc3 | Nov 24 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:07 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @anthilemoon favourited 'Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to...' | Nov 24 18:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 18:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LDfLDzwjfH (www.networkworld.com) | Nov 24 18:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 18:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Nov 24 18:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fuVP8D3wJv (dnf.baseurl.org) | Nov 24 18:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | DNF | Nov 24 18:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @ekimetrics favourited 'What would the perfect Linux distro look like?...' | Nov 24 18:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry confirms that more Android-powered | Nov 24 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones are coming https://t.co/ApDTiQd43m | Nov 24 18:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | BlackBerry confirms that more Android-powered smartphones are coming – Tech2 | Nov 24 18:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google To Donate Up To $1 Million Toward | Nov 24 18:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Education In Android Pay Charity Campaign | Nov 24 18:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PGmPwAAh5T (techcrunch.com) | Nov 24 18:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google To Donate Up To $1 Million Toward Education In Android Pay Charity Campaign | TechCrunch | Nov 24 18:23 | |
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| schestowitz | meh | Nov 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Nov 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669256754979540992 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257076271542272 | Nov 24 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer Your understanding of patents is inaccurate. Patents are property. Patents give no right to exploitation. @schestowitz | Nov 24 20:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Your beef w/ copyrights is justified, but doesn't support you on patents. Patents last for far less than 20 years @retroDoomer | Nov 24 20:52 | |
| cubexyz | eh? | Nov 24 20:53 |
| cubexyz | patents last 20 years | Nov 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | The point about persistence after death of owner isn't the main point here; the abstract nature of ideas/work is. | Nov 24 20:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, 20 years from filing | Nov 24 20:54 |
| cubexyz | so technically, yes it is less than 20 years because of that | Nov 24 20:54 |
| schestowitz | yeah, something like that | Nov 24 20:54 |
| schestowitz | depends on the domain | Nov 24 20:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257789169139713 | Nov 24 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Was just responding to you pointing out copyrights last past death. If that wasn't want you meant why say it? @retroDoomer | Nov 24 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | Creating on a monopoly on something does not, in its own right, lead to more creation/creativity | Nov 24 20:55 |
| cubexyz | I've looked into puzzle patents, and one usually can get a patent after filing in about 2 years | Nov 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258129436246017 | Nov 24 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Inventions are not abstract. Software is also not abstract either. I'd expect a software engineer to understand that. | Nov 24 20:56 | |
| schestowitz | Software is as abstract as maths | Nov 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | The software I write is reducible to maths, mostly matrices | Nov 24 20:56 |
| cubexyz | you can also consider an executable file as a number :) | Nov 24 20:56 |
| cubexyz | and one of the first software patents was British | Nov 24 20:59 |
| cubexyz | "A Computer Arranged for the Automatic Solution of Linear Programming Problems" | Nov 24 21:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258690327920641 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258887250518016 | Nov 24 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Software instructs machines and is NOT math. Math is descriptive. Obviously your not a very good software engineer. | Nov 24 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math solve the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage. Really. What an ignorant view of software to call it math. | Nov 24 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLE | Nov 24 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by "solve the page"? | Nov 24 21:01 |
| cubexyz | well machine code is numbers :) | Nov 24 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Did you ever write a computer program? | Nov 24 21:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | but he's a lawyer | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't even know how his site works | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | he's a very influential patent lawyers | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | most well known, I think | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259797955534848 | Nov 24 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math you have to be able to solve or reduce, which you can't do. I have written code, have you? | Nov 24 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | I can | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | You can write your rendering code for your page in numbers | Nov 24 21:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259903945547777 | Nov 24 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Impossible to believe you write code if you don't understand that code instructs a machine and isn't math. How ignorant. | Nov 24 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | Show me code you wrote please... | Nov 24 21:03 |
| cubexyz | I'll give an example in octal: | Nov 24 21:03 |
| cubexyz | 0062457 | Nov 24 21:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260087874187264 | Nov 24 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Great. I look forward to you solving the basic HTML code that makes up https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT. I can't wait for your response. | Nov 24 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | CPU dumb to file while rendering your page | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | CPU dump to file while rendering your page | Nov 24 21:04 |
| cubexyz | man, the guy just sounds like he's spoiling for a fight | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | it's funny, let's carry on... | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | he's shaming himself | Nov 24 21:04 |
| cubexyz | 0062457 is the octal code for running init in old Unix | Nov 24 21:05 |
| cubexyz | part of main.c of the kernel | Nov 24 21:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260270183821313 | Nov 24 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Translating instructions into binary code does not make it math. What does the code represent? Instructions to a machine. | Nov 24 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 21:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260465034420224 | Nov 24 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz God help the people who employ you to write code if you think the code you write is math. Obviously you don't' get it. | Nov 24 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | Show me code you wrote. | Nov 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260655149600768 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260780144082944 | Nov 24 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Looking forward to your solution to the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage, because if software is math there has to be an answer | Nov 24 21:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLE | Nov 24 21:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So you agree that software instructs a machine. Now you just have to figure out what math really is then and your set! | Nov 24 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | I said numbers instruct a machine, you twist what I said | Nov 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160 | Nov 24 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ... | Nov 24 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260925543817216 | Nov 24 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Math describes reality. Software directs reality. Two very different things. | Nov 24 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | Still waiting for you to show me code you wrote (third time I ask for it now, no response) | Nov 24 21:07 |
| cubexyz | if you go back to IBM 701 then I think you had to use machine code | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll say that | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261240829681666 | Nov 24 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz No. Everyone can read that you said software is math, which it is not. You are wrong, embarrassing yourself to say otherwise. | Nov 24 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | Will you show me code you wrote (fourth time I ask) | Nov 24 21:08 |
| cubexyz | is this Gene Quinn? :) | Nov 24 21:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261553749880832 | Nov 24 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You are the one who ignorantly proclaimed software is math, which clearly it is not. | Nov 24 21:10 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | he's quite well known | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | among all the big companies | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | he's like THE lobbyist for software patents | Nov 24 21:10 |
| cubexyz | ok well .... | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6851438 | Nov 24 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Says he wrote code, cannot name a single example by name or a link https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261809543733248 #swpats | Nov 24 21:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why do you need to see code I've written? You're wrong. Software is not math. My coding history has nothing to do with that. | Nov 24 21:11 | |
| cubexyz | software pats...that's great for lawyers but bad for everyone else | Nov 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | if you want to see that software is maths, open an exe file (I assume you use Windows) using your code [sic] editor | Nov 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262283667849216 | Nov 24 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz I look forward to your solution of a very simple HTML, PHP webpage. LOL. | Nov 24 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | OK, it's almost bedtime, Gene. Tomorrow we'll learn integration. | Nov 24 21:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262874871775232 | Nov 24 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz What's interesting is that you admitted that software directs a machine and that I was correct. | Nov 24 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263099850043392 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/VBlVWMpHIU | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| cubexyz | ok, ask a CS prof | Nov 24 21:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262605966438401 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the 4th time I've asked why you want to see code and why that matters? Software is not math, period! | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| cubexyz | should be interesting | Nov 24 21:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262502795091972 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the third time I've asked you why you need to see code I've written? That doesn't change that software isn't math. | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262391289511936 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So why do you need to see code I've written? You are the one who is ignorantly wrong? | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261448586108928 | Nov 24 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You realize Twitter is 140 characters, right? I have written code. If you don't believe me that is your problem, not mine. | Nov 24 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263534900027392 | Nov 24 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why wait to tomorrow to educate yourself about software? If you think it is math your clients have been done a real disservice | Nov 24 21:18 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Nov 24 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864 | Nov 24 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how people who say software is math never can solve or reduce simple HTML code. Probably because software is NOT math. @schestowitz | Nov 24 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | Software is Mathematics http://techrights.org/2011/05/24/software-is-maths/ | Nov 24 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software is Mathematics | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/obk3y ] | Nov 24 21:20 | |
| cubexyz | HTML is a markup language | Nov 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | to be interpreted | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | but he doesn't know what it means | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | can't use big words like -gasp - markup | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264616292261893 | Nov 24 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I don't care what you cite to support you. It doesn't change reality that software is NOT math. | Nov 24 21:21 | |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't call it a programming language | Nov 24 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The statement of a closed mind | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | ok, write a program to compute pi in HTML :) | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | just HTML... nothing else | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | M stands for.... markup :) | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | the end | Nov 24 21:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264735586660354 | Nov 24 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz and if software is math you will be able to solve the IPWatchdog homepage, which we both know you CAN'T do. | Nov 24 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | M stands for markup, it's not code | Nov 24 21:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864 | Nov 24 21:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265020845481984 https://twitter.com/TheRealWolfLine/status/669265164412297217 | Nov 24 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz No. It is the statement of one who is actually correct. You can't solve software and that seems to frustrate you. LOL | Nov 24 21:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealWolfLine: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz All "ideas" were at one point "abstract". An "invention" is a process/method/product that solves what is abstract | Nov 24 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265179759259648 | Nov 24 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt? | Nov 24 21:25 | |
| cubexyz | this guy is a goof | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm showing it | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | to people who aren't lawyers | Nov 24 21:26 |
| cubexyz | I would never have a discussion like that in academia | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265735714217984 | Nov 24 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Code instructs a machine. You have to know that. You also have to know that math does not instruct, but describes reality. | Nov 24 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | machine reads numbers in sequence to yield output | Nov 24 21:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265888894451712 | Nov 24 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Quite clearly you aren't able to solve a simple webpage, and you have a closed mind that embraces ignorance. | Nov 24 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | A web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignore is quite revealing. | Nov 24 21:27 |
| schestowitz | A web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignorance is quite revealing. | Nov 24 21:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266341212344320 https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669266474423484417 | Nov 24 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Machines read numbers and the numbers are translated from code. So the code instructs the machine. Simple concept really | Nov 24 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I agree they aren't the same but to be fair mark up describes a document and you could do it with math. | Nov 24 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266512734195713 | Nov 24 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Oh, so you can solve an entire program, but not something simple like a webpage. Then solve your program of choice. LOL | Nov 24 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | Sir, a web page is not a program, sorry to disappoint you, but you need CS 101. | Nov 24 21:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266584033185792 | Nov 24 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Er Math isn't all about solvability. All code is derived and wrote due to Mathematics. Not all Math is code. | Nov 24 21:30 | |
| cubexyz | if you study the history of CS it did come from the mathematics department | Nov 24 21:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266659882987521 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266691319296001 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266823767027712 | Nov 24 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Mathematics is the science of skilful operations with concepts and rules invented just for this purpose. | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz You said software is math. So pick any software and solve it. You know you can't. Very revealing. Software is NOT math. | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz That quote was from Eugene Wigner. One that stuck with me whilst studying Math and I thought applied to programming | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PatentCafe/status/669267071159660549 | Nov 24 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentCafe: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/ipK9o8Rmth… | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267174725390337 | Nov 24 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Let me talk slower... solve ANY program you want and reveal the solution. You can't because software is not math. | Nov 24 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | You need to learn how a computer processor works | Nov 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267441575424000 | Nov 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | at the lowest level it is logic gates | Nov 24 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying that things written in PHP and which leverage HTML are not software? What is your definition of software? | Nov 24 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which the CPU processes to yield a solution (output) | Nov 24 21:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267778772328449 | Nov 24 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why are you dodging? Can't solve a program huh? That would be because software is not math. LOL | Nov 24 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You could run a program with pen and paper. People used to use punch cards. | Nov 24 21:35 |
| cubexyz | look up Turing Machine | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, look up Turing Machine | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | if he know what it is... | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1S | Nov 24 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | Takes a long time, but doable. Used to be done, e.g. in decryption in WW2, with assistance of primitive machines | Nov 24 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | I see we're making progress here because you finally realise that computer programs do solve mathematical problems | Nov 24 21:38 |
| cubexyz | Recall that the Church-Turing thesis hypothesizes this to be true for any kind of machine: that anything that can be computed can be computed by some Turing machine | Nov 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268841231491072 | Nov 24 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying pen and paper are math too? The punch cards that instructed the machine must be an abstract idea too. LOL | Nov 24 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | Punch cards are the hardware equivalent of today | Nov 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269049541599234 | Nov 24 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would take so long that the ballistic missile would have evaded in response and then landed. Don't be stupid please. | Nov 24 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | Doing the CPU's job by hand too slow, hence there's impact, hence disaster, hence software not math? Touchdown, lawyers! | Nov 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269298792239105 | Nov 24 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Computer programs can do math, but doesn't mean the software written to instruct the machine is math, as you suggest. | Nov 24 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | That what used to be done before, with a little studying you'd know that | Nov 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669269740079058944 | Nov 24 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I meant for the original creator to exploit @ipwatchdog @schestowitz | Nov 24 21:42 | |
| cubexyz | ok, the origin of programming came out of symbolic logic | Nov 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669270066874023937 | Nov 24 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog especially when that monopoly actively discourages others from similar ideas. | Nov 24 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | Simultaneous ideas too | Nov 24 21:44 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, really I would ask that question to a CS professor | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270233115435010 | Nov 24 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I taught you today that software instructs machines, which you now admit. Now you just need to admit software is not math. | Nov 24 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but he's not | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't expect him to admit he was wrong | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | but I can make him think | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | it's like telling theists that God doesn't exist | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | at best you can make them introspect | Nov 24 21:45 |
| cubexyz | ask Donald Knuth :) | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | and maybe they'll realise that it's true -- it's as real as Santa Claus was | Nov 24 21:45 |
| cubexyz | I think I could argue it both ways really | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270441714954242 | Nov 24 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents encourage working around and do not discourage working on similar ideas. Do a patent search and see. | Nov 24 21:45 | |
| cubexyz | you could say that programming follows from symbolic logic, and then say that SL is philosophy | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Patents on progress bars cannot be worked around... many patents are utter rubbish | Nov 24 21:46 |
| cubexyz | that would put it outside of math | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270773039763456 | Nov 24 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Still waiting for software solution since software is math, bc if it is math you can solve. Why dodge? Admit you're wrong. | Nov 24 21:46 | |
| cubexyz | but it would be interesting to hear what a CS expert would say | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | You already self-refuted | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | With your ballistic missile example | Nov 24 21:46 |
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| cubexyz | A lawyer would say one thing, a CS prof another thing, and a math professor a third thing | Nov 24 21:48 |
| cubexyz | you could argue that one all day | Nov 24 21:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271388255989761 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271395407429632 | Nov 24 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for physical products make sense although in medical areas shouldn't be allowed. | Nov 24 21:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Sorry. Software is'nt math, you just won't admit it but you admitted software instructs. You know math is descriptive, right? | Nov 24 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, maybe I'll move on for now.. | Nov 24 21:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669270900999659520 | Nov 24 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Mathematics is way broader than numbers.It's a science and is used at least partially to solve almost every problem | Nov 24 21:50 | |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 24 21:50 |
| cubexyz | I would say the same thing :) | Nov 24 21:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269942257262592 | Nov 24 21:50 |
| cubexyz | math > arithmetic but includes it | Nov 24 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Software is not math simply because it isn't. You admitted software instructs machines, which means software is not math. | Nov 24 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | vroken telephone.. | Nov 24 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | like a politicians stuck on their script | Nov 24 21:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1S | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| cubexyz | one could argue symbolic reasoning is philosophy though | Nov 24 21:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268228984741889 | Nov 24 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Yes. FINALLY! Software is a series of instructions. Math is NOT a series of instructions, but rather a description. https://t.co/glGY5qUgl3 | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which CPU processes to yield a solution (output) | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| cubexyz | anyways software pats is holding people back, except for lawyers :) | Nov 24 21:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271700178149376 | Nov 24 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for knowledge of which computing, science, math should not exist nor be allowed. | Nov 24 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271748580388864 | Nov 24 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would love to debate you or anyone else who thinks software is math. Would be great fun to expose your ignorance. | Nov 24 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271832554524672 | Nov 24 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz It gets to the situation of Elsevier where a power hoards information prohibiting advancements. | Nov 24 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272030181761024 | Nov 24 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz But computing is not knowledge. You write code to accomplish a task, and code doesn't write itself. | Nov 24 21:54 | |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, read what Amit Gupta says: | Nov 24 21:54 |
| cubexyz | http://akgupta.ca/blog/2014/07/19/is-math-programming-youre-asking-the-wrong-question-part-1/ | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272056882663430 | Nov 24 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Sci-hub is the future for many scientists as is open source for tech. | Nov 24 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: he doesn't follow links | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | too lazy | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | he made up his mine | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | he chose his source of incom | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | paid not to understand | Nov 24 21:54 |
| cubexyz | you could even argue that programming by wire was graph theory :) | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272180371398656 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Exactly, your code doesn't write itself. You have thought and wrote down the code. | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272205625290752 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz Problem is patents don't inhibit advancement. Facts and reality prove your point faulty. | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272300970246144 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Now why say someone who also wants to solve that problem shouldn't be allowed to in the same way | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272457145139200 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Please provide facts, I am curious to see. | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272623956783104 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I currently disagree. I feel many students could solve medical issues if they had open source info | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669272878869647360 | Nov 24 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz exactly! Imagine if Newton had patented his laws, or there was a patent on number systems. | Nov 24 21:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273259846844416 | Nov 24 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz @retroDoomer Unfortunately, you are wrong again. Patents don't create a monopoly. https://t.co/tFJfIrBI9h | Nov 24 21:56 | |
| schestowitz | Kappos, USPTO Director, called them "monopolies" | Nov 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669273355338559489 | Nov 24 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @kasilas @ipwatchdog That, I think, depends on what you think maths is. | Nov 24 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273412565471232 | Nov 24 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz programming is absolutely *not* similar to creative writing, nor physical product. | Nov 24 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273657051652097 | Nov 24 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog I would usually drop a ball but I don't believe I am allowed to without risk of severe penalties. | Nov 24 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273708737859584 | Nov 24 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz it would be folly to patent a string of functions and operations. The same as a mathematical formula | Nov 24 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273778237661184 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273812664479746 | Nov 24 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Obviously you aren't reading the article explaining why patents are not a monopoly. Fine if you want to persist as ignorant. | Nov 24 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Tbh today's Newton isn't allowed free access to his work, he has to pirate it. | Nov 24 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669274395169464320 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669274471744802816 | Nov 24 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz There is an interesting debate to be had, here, but does it depends on what you want to class as maths? | Nov 24 22:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz Mathematical formulas are not patentable, but software is not math so that doesn't help your position. | Nov 24 22:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669274939929706497 | Nov 24 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Software is indeed math in many cases. But that is not the point. I see you don't understand code @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669275263407153152 | Nov 24 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Software is never math. I see you don't understand what math is and why you write software. @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276050568818689 | Nov 24 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz The impartial Twitter referre has called the fight in the third with @ipwatchdog winner by TKO in 3d Rd. | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | Says patent guy...:-) | Nov 24 22:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669276096488079361 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276110019010561 | Nov 24 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Strange, I use a lot of mathematical type operations in my code, and many libraries do also @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I studied math and all software is based on mathematic science. | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276317775495168 | Nov 24 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 I wish you the best in sourcing the definition of impartial. @ipwatchdog @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276821125378048 | Nov 24 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Easy--means keeping mind open and admitting when I'm wrong. How about you? | Nov 24 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669278146013831168 | Nov 24 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I would imagine it must be difficult to not have a biased opinion considering your company. | Nov 24 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | Some people create some things, some assert they have invisible 'property' | Nov 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669278925147664384 | Nov 24 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @TheIpHawk @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:19 | |
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| schestowitz | http://suepo.org/public/news | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - News | Nov 24 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Claiming a wish to increase transparency, the EPO has published part of its Service Regulations online. Unfortunately, the Circulars mentioned below, as well as the Financial Regulations and the Tender Guidelines, amongst others, are missing. In the interest of potential job applicants and of the public in general, SUEPO calls upon Mr Battistelli to publish the missing parts. | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 347 Circular on Strikes | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 355 Regulations for the Staff Committee elections | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 356 Resources and facilities to be granted to the Staff Committee | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 364 Implementation of the career system. Minimum qualifications for recruitment, grading on recruitment, promotion and other rewards | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 365 General Guidelines on the EPO Competency Framework | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 366 General Guidelines on Performance Management | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 367 Absences for Health Reasons | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669279884146040832 | Nov 24 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: I love it when obviously biased people say that those who believe in a patent system are biased. MIRROR! @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669280188614709248 | Nov 24 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz As said before:I believe for physical inventions it is probably a needed evil. For knowledge it isn't. | Nov 24 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | At least we programmers are producing something | Nov 24 22:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280664886358017 | Nov 24 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . And as I've said, software is not knowledge. You conflate thing unrelated as if they prove something @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448400700343 | Nov 24 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions [ http://ur1.ca/obk8u ] | Nov 24 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | "SUEPO is not only an organization under Dutch law, If I am not mistaken. SUEPO also represents staff in Munich, Berlin and Vienna. FFPE-EPO does not seem to be an option for staff at those locations, which is the majority. If I am wrong, please put me right." | Nov 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280983133364224 | Nov 24 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: If software is math you would produce things that work, but you don't. Still waiting on that solution! @schestowitz @kstallett @gth1017 | Nov 24 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281347211567104 | Nov 24 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz @gth1017 As in Mathematics the thinking involved to produce a working formula can be too tough to imagine. | Nov 24 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669277709495848960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669276652476735488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669275607818231808 https://twitter.com/Daleington9/status/669196572543082497 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669274586605871106 | Nov 24 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: Software Freedom Conservancy must move to a Supporter-driven organization - https://t.co/8luZbfuokV & it needs help to do so #freesw | Nov 24 22:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #trendmicro salespeople want to sell, use misleading figures https://t.co/BRcUcY3Tug recall https://t.co/snvirtm6fg | Nov 24 22:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Trend Micro - Techrights | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Now I know why some lawyers-politicians try to ban #encryption and think it's doable. I know because I've just debated @ipwatchdog | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSs | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSs | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 open source security tools to protect your firm https://t.co/otpEO1yX1o #freesw is verifiable | Nov 24 22:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281928000983040 | Nov 24 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz How would you define it? Again actually curious. | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669282463785607168 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669282977462005761 | Nov 24 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz Knowledge is facts or information, software directs machine to act. How you could think they're the same? | Nov 24 22:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz True but all the algorithms that are used in software are Mathmatical science. Formulas that work on paper | Nov 24 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283289199415296 | Nov 24 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz EG: if x > y do something. We use these in our every day life. This is knowledge. This is Mathematics. | Nov 24 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283466719162368 | Nov 24 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz whilst I understand you fight you corner and I fight mine and we both feel we are right. | Nov 24 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | But one side knows mathematical notion, the other does not | Nov 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | One side is producing, the other is parastical | Nov 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283532439724033 | Nov 24 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz And this is the internet where no argument has ever been won. | Nov 24 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283765089366017 | Nov 24 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I never expected to meet you today in any form and I'm pleased I did as it has me thinking. | Nov 24 22:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284584497012736https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283933863956480 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284100344307713 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284433971814400 | Nov 24 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I have been slack against all these things I believe in. I can't be slack no more. | Nov 24 22:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz Go read a few papers on sci hub and see how much knowledge you will have gained all due to no patents. | Nov 24 22:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz You will be more understanding and gain information you didn't know existed. This is why patents are bad. | Nov 24 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | Patents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries. It has gone very wrong. | Nov 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Patents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries ago. It has gone very wrong. | Nov 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/669286522886209538] https://twitter.com/mikejknuckles/status/669285687783477249 | Nov 24 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway @philshapiro https://t.co/nQ5WrTxkcg | Nov 24 22:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "I am getting annoyed and tired of Microsoft's marginal business ethics" https://t.co/kcS44BnLoZ https://t.co/Ft7YxrY7Dm | Nov 24 22:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikejknuckles: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Sic em boy! | Nov 24 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160 | Nov 24 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ... | Nov 24 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669288566414049280 | Nov 24 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog It really has. Then there wasn't such an easy way to share information with the world. Now is very different. | Nov 24 23:00 | |
| schestowitz | Time for massive overhaul/reform | Nov 24 23:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669292736059719681 | Nov 24 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @Twpalovi @schestowitz to me, maths is a succinct description that often helps extract inherent symmetries in considered scenarios. | Nov 24 23:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KGHohenstauffen/status/669296453551005696 | Nov 24 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHM | Nov 24 23:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHM | Nov 24 23:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669300777647808512 | Nov 24 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it doesnt respond on 10 Turkey's requests to change it's heading. And this is not first chance exception. Russia - terrorists. | Nov 24 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | Did Turkey think the Russians would bomb Turkey? | Nov 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And I'm not blindly believing that "10 requests" claim, as well as some other somewhat questionable claims which need proving | Nov 24 23:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/669302556087029760 | Nov 24 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Well right or wrong he is certainly showing a bellicose lack of eloquence in debate. | Nov 24 23:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669303298151837696 | Nov 24 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it is not necessary)) It is violating of international laws. Russia is bombing not ISIS, but civilians. So, Turkey is right. | Nov 24 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | The US/UK/FR/NATO planes also occasionally bomb many civilians, but coverage is selective | Nov 24 23:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669304111557406720 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669304590978912256 | Nov 25 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Turkey puplics video/audio of requests. And I know what is Russia as I was russian and lived there more than 30 years. | Nov 25 00:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz I know what is hybrid war. It was in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. So, even if NATO is bad - Russia is real monster. | Nov 25 00:05 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, but when Russia kills civilians it's intentional and when we do it this is just an unfortunate accident, based on our media | Nov 25 00:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FeelMyFire/status/669306348299882496 | Nov 25 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FeelMyFire: Perfectly said. https://t.co/AVaIUOC1Zp | Nov 25 00:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@Zeipt Yes, but when Russia kills civilians it's intentional and when we do it this is just an unfortunate accident, based on our media | Nov 25 00:08 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669307347857235968 | Nov 25 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz no, I think all remember incident with hospital in Afghanistan. But it cant let Russia or any to violate international laws)) | Nov 25 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | All sides seem to disregard such laws; just because one side is evil doesn't mean the other isn't evil, too | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669308280087420928 | Nov 25 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz I agree. But in situation with this russian SU - Turkey is right. It respects laws of war. | Nov 25 00:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Are Russia and Turkey in a state of war? Turkey not only allows US in its airspace but also airbases (at least two). | Nov 25 00:34 |
| schestowitz | bisson bshttp://www.zdnet.com/article/the-iot-and-the-return-of-8-bit-computing/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | Nov 25 00:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | The IoT and the return of 8-bit computing | ZDNet | Nov 25 00:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669313968217919488 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669314640782995459 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669313968217919488 | Nov 25 00:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Turkey is NATO. Russia is NATO's enemy. Turkey shotdown not MH17, but SU, which continuosly violated its airspace to bomb cvls | Nov 25 00:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz if someone will go for crime through your garden wont you decide to stop this at some day?)) | Nov 25 00:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wasima/status/669314072903553027 | Nov 25 00:41 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: Turkey supports Al-Nusrah Front which is a subdivision of Al-Qaeda, IOW jihadist head-choppers, allied with ISIL Turkey supports them by buying oil from them, and probably by giving them weapons too. Russia bombs them. That's why Turkey shot down the SU-24. | Nov 25 03:47 |
| msb__ | The US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel all support ISIL in various ways, but lie and say they don't. | Nov 25 03:48 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: cubexyz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean? A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic). A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications. Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of | Nov 25 03:54 |
| msb__ | executing the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc. | Nov 25 03:54 |
| cubexyz | mostly I was saying software could be considered very math-like | Nov 25 03:55 |
| cubexyz | I would hesitate to say software == math, except to point out that any executable program could be represented as a big number | Nov 25 03:55 |
| cubexyz | not sure if math has anything like a stack, or jump | Nov 25 03:56 |
| cubexyz | I'm not in favour of software pats though | Nov 25 03:57 |
| MinceR | afaik computer science is part of mathematics | Nov 25 03:57 |
| cubexyz | historically CS grew out of the math departments | Nov 25 03:58 |
| MinceR | also, turing machines are turing-complete without stacks or jumps | Nov 25 03:58 |
| msb__ | If math has arrays, then it has stacks. And if its statements are numbered and selected with an integer (the program counter) then it has jumps. | Nov 25 03:58 |
| cubexyz | APL is very math-like | Nov 25 03:59 |
| cubexyz | it even looks rather like math | Nov 25 04:00 |
| msb__ | I think I proved above that a program + the computer that executes it, combined, constitute a set of mathematical expressions that can be solved (reduced). | Nov 25 04:00 |
| cubexyz | yes, there's the Church-Turing Thesis | Nov 25 04:01 |
| msb__ | Presumably arrays and numbered expressions can be expressed in set theory. I think _anything_ can be expressed in set theory. I took a course in it once. It was brutal. | Nov 25 04:02 |
| MinceR | i wasn't aware of that, afaict | Nov 25 04:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, lambda calculus comes to mind | Nov 25 04:02 |
| msb__ | So if programs are math, and math can't be patented, then swpats are invalid. Is that schestowitz' contention? | Nov 25 04:04 |
| cubexyz | basically | Nov 25 04:04 |
| cubexyz | I just make a simpler argument: software patents are bad for people in general | Nov 25 04:05 |
| cubexyz | bad for society | Nov 25 04:05 |
| msb__ | Then I think he should use my proof, which is concise and simple. | Nov 25 04:05 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Those points are certainly true too. | Nov 25 04:06 |
| msb__ | I would also say that once a programming problem is stated, writing the program is basically the application of known techniques, which any programmer knowledgeable in the art would be able to do. Therefore programs are not novel and thus are not patentable. | Nov 25 04:08 |
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| msb__ | The same argument would also apply to many physical and chemical inventions, which likewise should not be patentable. | Nov 25 04:10 |
| cubexyz | at least patents expire relatively quickly | Nov 25 04:12 |
| cubexyz | less than 20 years de facto | Nov 25 04:12 |
| msb__ | As to benefitting society, if creating something has to involve searching through tens of millions of patents and hiring a lawyer, then patents enormously inhibit creativity. | Nov 25 04:13 |
| cubexyz | it's a bad joke | Nov 25 04:13 |
| msb__ | 20 years can be two or three generations of software or hardware. | Nov 25 04:14 |
| cubexyz | relatively quickly compared to say... copyright | Nov 25 04:14 |
| cubexyz | some patents are utter gobbley-gook anyways | Nov 25 04:19 |
| msb__ | "intellectual property" -- software and entertainment -- can very easily be duplicated with today's technology. So far, the IP "owners" have been unable to stop it. So it may be in the future that IP creators will not be able to demand payment, but will have to rely on voluntary contributions. At the same time, technology, properly applied in a socialist economy, will make living much more affordable than it is currently under | Nov 25 04:19 |
| msb__ | predatory capitalism, so IP creators and everyone else will need much less money. | Nov 25 04:19 |
| cubexyz | all computers can copy a memory location :) | Nov 25 04:20 |
| msb__ | And in particular, a memory location on the Internet. | Nov 25 04:21 |
| msb__ | Patents are supposed to openly explain the techniques used in an invention, but a "good" patent writer can so obfuscate the explanation that it's impossible to understand, and thus doesn't give competitors any clues. | Nov 25 04:23 |
| msb__ | We have to face the fact that technology can change the structures of our lives and society for the better. After all, we used to spend all our lives grubbing for roots and berries. | Nov 25 04:27 |
| msb__ | Patents and copyrights are not suited to the post-industrial age. | Nov 25 04:28 |
| msb__ | Maybe the mathematicalness of software comes down to the Axiom of Choice. That would be fun! | Nov 25 04:33 |
| msb__ | I would think an SU-24 would have countermeasures capable of stopping, fooling, or avoiding an American air-to-air missile. Maybe the pilots didn't have them turned on because they didn't think anyone would attack them. | Nov 25 04:36 |
| msb__ | I've never understood why spaceships don't run with their shields up all the time. Or at least under computer control if it senses an attack. | Nov 25 04:53 |
| msb__ | Dramatic impact, I guess, so they can flash the lights and sway back and forth. | Nov 25 04:55 |
| msb__ | I suspect that if the SU-24 was running with its countermeasures on manual control, Russia will not admit it. | Nov 25 04:57 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: there is a reason why SU-24 electronic warfare system would be in manual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khibiny_%28electronic_countermeasures_system%29 | Nov 25 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Khibiny (electronic countermeasures system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 25 07:21 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically its a sledge hammer that will attempt to disable anything electronic near it so. Its not friend/foe selective. | Nov 25 07:22 |
| msb__ | The article says "masking the true subject against false". Not sure what that means. Seems like a bad translation from Russian. | Nov 25 07:32 |
| msb__ | I think IFF was used in WW2. Seems like it should still be used, but with encryption. | Nov 25 07:33 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: masking yourself against false is giving a false foot print so to missle true target appears to be a echo/shadow and the false target appears to be real. | Nov 25 07:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: yes it is a horible translation from russian. | Nov 25 07:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: but the system operation is more like a very heavy radio jammer and basically not effective against optical guided missles. | Nov 25 07:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile#Electro-optical Basically did turkey have any of the new class of missles on their aircraft if they did normal jamming is not effective. | Nov 25 07:57 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: Also note the Passive Anti-radiation class. These are designed to hunt aircraft with their electronic warfare systems on. | Nov 25 08:01 |
| msb__ | Seems like an ultra-bright strobe light aimed at the missile could blind its sensor. | Nov 25 08:01 |
| oiaohm | ultra bright strobe light also would generate a stronger IR signal so getting a better IR lock. | Nov 25 08:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically this is very dangorous game of rock paper sissors. | Nov 25 08:03 |
| msb__ | How about expelling a few active jammers from the aircraft. I saw this in a submarine movie. The torp locked in one and missed the sub. | Nov 25 08:05 |
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| msb__ | They said on RT that the bombers are now going to have fighter escorts. That should help. | Nov 25 08:07 |
| msb__ | The helos should have them too. | Nov 25 08:07 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html?showComment=1448399350952 | Nov 25 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15 | Nov 25 08:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | I found something in TECHRIGHTS There I read: http://techrights.org/2015/10/06/epo-unlimited-sick-leave/ There I read: ¨Van der Eijk's unlimited sick leave, which seems likely to have little or nothing to do with sickness (as we explained yesterday). As Chairman of the Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBoA) and DG3 VP, Van der Eijk is probably the only remaining potent threat to Benoît Battistelli because the boards are, in principle, independent | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | from Battistelli’s corruptible EPO (in practice Battistelli just breaks the rules).¨There are some more comments: | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | 1)Mr Battistelli’s plan:Get rid of the present VP 3 | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | 2)He has angered the top management, mainly by R19/12 and refusal of the enlarged board to agree to the dismissal of the DG3 member under investigation. | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | 3)Replacing DG3 with the UPC appears to be impossible without a diplomatic conference. | Nov 25 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Commenters Provide Possible Explanations for Mr Van der Eijk Being on Unlimited Sick Leave | Techrights | Nov 25 08:11 | |
| schestowitz | 4)Also quite obviously the german delegation in the AC would be strongly against weakening Munich as Europe’s patent capital, so all those plans might go nowhere as the other delegations (of the new countries bought by BB with free new dents) will be very reluctant to outvote Germany in that matter. | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | 1) to 4) are all possible answers. Does Marc Rutte, the prime minister of the Netherlands have contact with VP3 Van der Eijk to get relevant and important information? It seems to me that Mr.Van der Eijk is a strong character for whom it is impossible to be ¨his masters voice¨. I hope strongly that Mr.Van der Eijk is not forgotten by the Dutch government. | Nov 25 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 08:11 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: issue 1 you can only carry so many active droppable jammers. 2 depending on the type of missle send at you will depend if those work. | Nov 25 08:22 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: 1. one or two would be a lot better than none 2. the type of missile could be determined from the radiation coming from it -- active radar, laser, none, etc. | Nov 25 08:25 |
| oiaohm | Passive Anti-radiation class, IR and Optical all don't put out any radiation. | Nov 25 08:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: IR and Opttical you might have flares but depending on the design they could choose to completely ignore you flares. | Nov 25 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Dropping flares the process increases electro radation emissions. | Nov 25 08:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Passive Anti-radiation class is basically run silent. Run really silent. | Nov 25 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6851297 | Nov 25 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | "lots of girls :-) seams like Fedora is very attractive to women" | Nov 25 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe because of the name ;-) | Nov 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/669265789967581185 | Nov 25 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Gene may be wasting his time here 😉 https://t.co/vH9XPZBhDA | Nov 25 09:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt? | Nov 25 09:13 | |
| schestowitz | And my time has no value? | Nov 25 09:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/669302556087029760 | Nov 25 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Well right or wrong he is certainly showing a bellicose lack of eloquence in debate. | Nov 25 09:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheIpHawk/status/669277764411879425 | Nov 25 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheIpHawk: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer I would love to see the math equation that backs up some of the software patents granted. | Nov 25 09:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669454024819810304 | Nov 25 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Please, check your link: https://t.co/sK3XAxe4xz | Nov 25 10:10 | |
| schestowitz | Site down? | Nov 25 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DebianLive After Debian Live https://t.co/YhZVVdlV8r #debian #gnu #linux | Nov 25 10:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669458591540203521 | Nov 25 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Indeed. https://t.co/JgYvuvOMMs | Nov 25 10:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Site down? | Nov 25 10:18 | |
| schestowitz | I think the link was correct, don't see why not, my wife posted it in tuxmachines | Nov 25 10:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669460170414661633 | Nov 25 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz @arstechnica's #FUD https://t.co/eJ36kshrV7 Turkey has been transgressing Greece's airspace w/impunity https://t.co/XwHv5merRv | Nov 25 10:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669461256936546305 | Nov 25 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz possibly offline: https://t.co/LdVCOFZMYX | Nov 25 10:26 | |
| schestowitz | yes, same thing I got | Nov 25 10:26 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean? A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic). A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications. Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of executing | Nov 25 10:34 |
| msb__ | the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc. | Nov 25 10:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/fg0csd2gMy | Nov 25 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 25 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/6V8siZyfQa | Nov 25 11:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Nov 25 11:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/9dVt6W5PHe | Nov 25 11:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 25 11:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/y36UwDbWaJ | Nov 25 11:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 25 11:52 | |
| msb__ | "The Man in the High Castle" -- 10 part TV series, based on the novel by Philip K Dick and screenplay by Frank Spotnitz of The X-Files. 1962 dystopian alternate timeline in which the US lost WW2 and has been conquered by the German and Japanese Nazis. Just watched the first episode. Very well produced, very gruesome.Perhaps if tRump gets elected, we will see it for real. | Nov 25 12:30 |
| msb__ | Or Hellary. Murdered Libya and gloated about it, and is now trying to censor a comedy show that ridiculed her. | Nov 25 12:33 |
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| cubexyz | yes, I think it's fair to say that a lot of things aren't that good if you study them in detail | Nov 25 13:05 |
| cubexyz | e.g. none of the computer stores in my area are any good | Nov 25 13:06 |
| cubexyz | also the documentation you get with peripherals and computers is a bad joke | Nov 25 13:09 |
| msb__ | It is up to us -- we who know good things -- to broadcast them to as many people as we can. That's the only way our society can improve. Fortunately the Internet makes it possible. | Nov 25 13:49 |
| msb__ | After watching the second episode, I do not recommend "The Man in the High Castle". It is pornography of fascism, torture, murder, and death. The story might make a good 90-minute movie, but this version is padded with awfulness. Two hours of it is as much as I can stand. | Nov 25 13:53 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: As to computers, things are much better than when I was growing up. $150 will buy a powerful Linux-capable SBC, a keyboard, mouse, and hard drive. Connect it to a TV, load it with Linux, get the docs from the Web, get a $15-20/month Net connection, and you're in contact with the World Mind! | Nov 25 14:02 |
| cubexyz | 50s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s, there's no doubt that generally electronics has improved | Nov 25 14:07 |
| cubexyz | by the late 1980s though things get a bit more murky | Nov 25 14:07 |
| cubexyz | also my net connection is more like $50 than $20 per month | Nov 25 14:08 |
| cubexyz | by the late 1980s surface mount technology has reduced the repairability of computers | Nov 25 14:08 |
| cubexyz | are things better now than in the late 1950s? no question | Nov 25 14:09 |
| cubexyz | but wall warts? | Nov 25 14:10 |
| cubexyz | that's a step backwards | Nov 25 14:10 |
| cubexyz | flimsy connector pair with minimal contact area, no locking retainer | Nov 25 14:11 |
| cubexyz | very poor design | Nov 25 14:11 |
| cubexyz | of course, part of the bad design is deliberate | Nov 25 14:13 |
| cubexyz | no light bulb company is going to make a bulb that lasts 100 years | Nov 25 14:13 |
| cubexyz | on the plus side some stuff is pretty good... dlink routers, HP Laserjets (some of them) | Nov 25 14:14 |
| cubexyz | anything that is repairable or lasts beyond 15 years is pretty good | Nov 25 14:15 |
| cubexyz | some early 1950s computers needed a megawatt of power to run | Nov 25 14:16 |
| cubexyz | so getting things down to under 100 watts was great | Nov 25 14:17 |
| cubexyz | the transition from vacuum tubes to transistors was obviously super important | Nov 25 14:18 |
| cubexyz | but all the crappy "laptops" that last under 4 years, that's not good | Nov 25 14:19 |
| cubexyz | some of the stuff was so bad... they actually would destroy themselves | Nov 25 14:19 |
| cubexyz | the GPU would overheat 100% of the time | Nov 25 14:20 |
| cubexyz | I've seen stuff go over 100C | Nov 25 14:21 |
| cubexyz | some of the Dell Dimension laptops had pretty close to 100% defective rate | Nov 25 14:22 |
| cubexyz | and programmed obsolesence... print cartridges that stop working after a certain period of time even though they still have ink | Nov 25 14:24 |
| cubexyz | planned obsolesence, laptops with forced microsoft tax, etc | Nov 25 14:26 |
| cubexyz | no way we can say that the current situation is ideal | Nov 25 14:26 |
| cubexyz | when the company says "buy a new one" and doesn't offer fuse replacements | Nov 25 14:29 |
| cubexyz | and tablets are a new low for repairability... | Nov 25 14:31 |
| cubexyz | I imagine there's a mountain of broken smart phones and tablets somewhere | Nov 25 14:31 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah and fuses that require desodering | Nov 25 14:32 |
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| msb__ | I was talking about the system I mentioned, not every bad thing you can think of. But I called up earthlink and they charge $40/month for 3Mbits/sec DSL, which stinks. | Nov 25 15:44 |
| msb__ | Maybe there's better, but I don't feel like looking for it now., | Nov 25 15:45 |
| cubexyz | actually I benefit from all the defectives since customers donate their stuff to me | Nov 25 15:45 |
| cubexyz | right, I can't think of any broadband for $20 per month | Nov 25 15:48 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, skype gives free phone service to every other computer user in the world, and an additional $10/month gives you all the TV and movies you want, who knows how. | Nov 25 15:48 |
| msb__ | I've read that some nations in Asia have much cheaper broadband than the US. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| cubexyz | no doubt | Nov 25 15:49 |
| cubexyz | cheaper than Canada too | Nov 25 15:49 |
| msb__ | Well, the US is the capital of predatory capitalism, so I guess it's expected. | Nov 25 15:50 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, I did lots of computer work with a 56K modem for years. | Nov 25 15:51 |
| cubexyz | are you happy with your existing ISP? | Nov 25 15:54 |
| msb__ | I have comcast for $150/month for TV, Net, and phone. About 2MByte/sec. | Nov 25 15:55 |
| msb__ | They don't bother me. | Nov 25 15:56 |
| msb__ | I keep getting snailmail from ATT DSL so I just went to their website and entered my zipcode. It said "your session has expired from inactivity". | Nov 25 16:00 |
| msb__ | Great company there! | Nov 25 16:00 |
| cubexyz | AT&T is bigger than Microsoft | Nov 25 16:06 |
| msb__ | At least comcrap gives me continuous RT on a cable channel. | Nov 25 16:08 |
| msb__ | The Islamic head-choppers who machine-gunned to death the two Russian pilots coming down in their parachutes are described by Obomber as "moderate rebels". | Nov 25 16:10 |
| msb__ | Personally, I think the head-choppers/clit-cutters have made a big mistake by murdering a few hundred Russians and French people. They are going to be hunted to the ends of the Earth and exterminated like vermin. | Nov 25 16:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, this is comparatively less important but I'm hearing from windows 7/8 users that there "old hardware" isn't supported | Nov 25 16:37 |
| cubexyz | and their idea of "old" isn't anywhere close to mine | Nov 25 16:37 |
| cubexyz | e.g. peripherals from 2009 are "old" | Nov 25 16:37 |
| cubexyz | it's as you say... predatory capitalism | Nov 25 16:38 |
| msb__ | This is good for us! Tell them to switch to Linux. | Nov 25 16:39 |
| cubexyz | yes, I show them my lab | Nov 25 16:39 |
| msb__ | You are Mr. Wizard! | Nov 25 16:40 |
| msb__ | Ever see him? "fruit, cereal milk bread and butter", every week. He must have been getting money from the American Starch Association. | Nov 25 16:41 |
| cubexyz | I vaguely recall him talking about one of the 8-bit ataris | Nov 25 16:41 |
| cubexyz | he died in 2007, age 89 | Nov 25 16:42 |
| msb__ | That's pretty good. Hope I make it that far! | Nov 25 16:42 |
| cubexyz | I'm all for life maximization :) | Nov 25 16:43 |
| cubexyz | he was a good guy but a bit clueless about computers | Nov 25 16:43 |
| msb__ | Don Herbert! I remembered his name. At least I don't have Alzheimer | Nov 25 16:44 |
| msb__ | 's. | Nov 25 16:44 |
| msb__ | Come on in, Johnny, and sit on my lap. Don't worry, that's just a flashlight in my pocket. Just kidding!!! | Nov 25 16:45 |
| cubexyz | 1200XL | Nov 25 16:45 |
| msb__ | Who was the weirdo in the sweater? Mr. Something's Neighborhood. | Nov 25 16:46 |
| cubexyz | Mr Rogers? | Nov 25 16:46 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Nov 25 16:47 |
| cubexyz | 1988 was the year he talked about the Atari 1200XL | Nov 25 16:47 |
| cubexyz | that's near the end of the 8-bit home computer era | Nov 25 16:48 |
| cubexyz | not a very good computer actually | Nov 25 16:49 |
| cubexyz | but compared to other shows Mr Wizard was a good show | Nov 25 16:50 |
| cubexyz | in 1988 I would have had an Amiga 500 and a 286 PC | Nov 25 16:51 |
| cubexyz | and I actually ran Xenix 286, so I had Unix in the home | Nov 25 16:52 |
| cubexyz | Fred Rogers died in 2003, aged 74 | Nov 25 16:53 |
| cubexyz | Rogers argued in favour of fair use recording of tv shows | Nov 25 16:54 |
| *papa has quit (Quit: have a good one) | Nov 25 16:58 | |
| msb__ | The one I really liked was Soupy Sales! | Nov 25 16:59 |
| cubexyz | haha, I bet most people in here never heard of Soupy Sales :) | Nov 25 17:00 |
| msb__ | He asked the kids, "What word begins with 'F' and ends with 'uck'?" | Nov 25 17:00 |
| msb__ | Of course the answer is "firetruck". | Nov 25 17:00 |
| cubexyz | snopes says no actually | Nov 25 17:01 |
| msb__ | He also asked the kids to go into their father's wallet and mail him all the green pieces of paper they found there. | Nov 25 17:01 |
| cubexyz | http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/soupyjokes.asp | Nov 25 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.snopes.com | Soupy Sales' Smutty Jokes : snopes.com | Nov 25 17:02 | |
| msb__ | snopes are fascists. I heard him say it, at least in a movie. | Nov 25 17:02 |
| cubexyz | ok :) | Nov 25 17:02 |
| cubexyz | the green pieces of paper was true | Nov 25 17:04 |
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| cubexyz | in Soupy's autobiography he offered $10K to anyone who could prove he said those racy jokes | Nov 25 17:06 |
| cubexyz | but if you can remember which movie it was... | Nov 25 17:07 |
| cubexyz | if it was on live TV it there may not be any surviving recordings of it | Nov 25 17:12 |
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| cubexyz | ha | Nov 25 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeOpenSouRRce/status/669530654514634752 | Nov 25 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhX | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rightrelevance.com | Right Relevance : Influencers, Articles and Conversations | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhX | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669579554600587265 | Nov 25 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: File in #Weird_Coincidences_on_Twitter along with-- https://t.co/MsJE8wOiSn https://t.co/bBP77nZYL0 | Nov 25 18:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScienceNews: People’s blood sugar rises or falls differently even when they eat the exact same food: https://t.co/aRMmYNEwRr https://t.co/L4pUuoHdtL | Nov 25 18:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just got back from #pcworld and on the doorstep there was incidentally an intimidating letter from PC World. It's "warranty" marketing spam. | Nov 25 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MikeTilbury/status/669581576766939136 | Nov 25 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MikeTilbury: @schestowitz @TheRegister wow that's a great feature. | Nov 25 18:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669585590866845697 | Nov 25 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Roy, puh-leaze, regardless of the content, re-tweeting that account discredits you, completely. | Nov 25 18:46 | |
| schestowitz | The account I know about. But this particular tweet doesn't have anything too dubious. | Nov 25 18:47 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Systemd — unit dependencies and order | Nov 25 18:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd — unit dependencies and order | Tux Machines | Nov 25 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669588763136401410 https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589009505603584 https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/669589190930243584 | Nov 25 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 Fair enough. One thing about being a whistle-blower, is accepting the consequences; given the current RF posture... | Nov 25 19:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 ...it sure doesn't help his ostensible agenda, which I share, to be enjoying the hospitality of the FSB. | Nov 25 19:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ian56789: @schestowitz You should realize @Samoan_Attorney is the enemy of all decent ppl & by ignorance supports terrorists, Fascists & Globalists | Nov 25 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589713431470081 | Nov 25 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Says 'a guy' *from behind a block*, with no evidence, or credibility. | Nov 25 19:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora at Czech conferences | Nov 25 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BjjIWorJky | Nov 25 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com | Fedora at Czech conferences | Brno's hat | Nov 25 19:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fossil Q Founder Android Wear watch now | Nov 25 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available to order for $295 | Nov 25 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9OlMN3qttL (9to5google.com) | Nov 25 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Fossil Q Founder Android Wear watch now available to order for $295 | 9to5Google | Nov 25 19:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standards | Nov 25 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rhepyhjlOg (joinup.ec.europa.eu) | Nov 25 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standards | Joinup | Nov 25 19:14 | |
| msb__ | The SU-24 copilot survived! Rescued by the Syrian army and interviewed on RT, he said that they knew the route very well, had perfect visibility, and never crossed the border. Turkey gave them no warning. Big surprise. | Nov 25 19:24 |
| cubexyz | huh | Nov 25 19:25 |
| cubexyz | interesting | Nov 25 19:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Brand New Samsung Android 6.0 Marshmallow | Nov 25 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update Schedule Leaks: Galaxy Note 5 | Nov 25 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/p3sPIAL6TL (www.techtimes.com) | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Brand New Samsung Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Schedule Leaks: Galaxy Note 5, 4, 3, S6, Edge, S5, S4 And Others : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 25 19:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 | Nov 25 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hotfix Update for Ubuntu Phones | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 Hotfix Update for Ubuntu Phones | Nov 25 19:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is | Nov 25 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Malware https://t.co/TihcNWvObO | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware | Nov 25 19:31 | |
| msb__ | John Pilger on RT right now! | Nov 25 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android on | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapdragon 410 https://t.co/1H7o0Jte14 | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android on Snapdragon 410 · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Support https://t.co/4KJIOnpndu | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core Support | Nov 25 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | programming stack https://t.co/bcD5Rt3uCx | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java programming stack · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 19:39 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware...' | Nov 25 19:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RichardEWillard/status/669600588724838405 | Nov 25 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardEWillard: RT - schestowitz - #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/0jdc7zUfG6 not staff but critical… https://t.co/qN0SWZ7o2d | Nov 25 19:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Ben Kerensa of Mozilla tells his open source story | Opensource.com | Nov 25 19:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/XEGftquSqT not staff but critical (at times) contributor, #ubuntu too. | Nov 25 19:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi,...' | Nov 25 19:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up | Nov 25 19:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the hype on Linux https://t.co/iOxGGV587a | Nov 25 19:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | PCWorld | Nov 25 19:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, | Nov 25 19:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Nov 25 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ellen_Timmer/status/669602884498116608 | Nov 25 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ellen_Timmer: Alles delen https://t.co/t23bhqPRSu | Nov 25 19:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #lenovo and #dell (maybe more to come) show that machines with #microsoft #windows preinstalled are like tracking devices w/ spyware | Nov 25 19:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader | Nov 25 19:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/KZRtU7MzPr | Nov 25 19:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Nov 25 19:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...' | Nov 25 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 | Nov 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@datachick: Dell picked a bad week to quit securing. https://t.co/w0KYTdXbkt | Nov 25 19:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 19:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...' | Nov 25 19:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux approach to human and ecosystem | Nov 25 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | well-being https://t.co/cHPeCw5JgV | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux approach to human and ecosystem well-being | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up | Nov 25 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the hype on Linux https://t.co/0vWIR19brt | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader | Nov 25 20:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/UBloF0giL0 | Nov 25 20:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Tux Machines | Nov 25 20:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...' | Nov 25 20:00 | |
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| schestowitz | I can't decrypt for some reason... | Nov 25 20:08 |
| schestowitz | PGP failing on me | Nov 25 20:08 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...' | Nov 25 20:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Nov 25 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MFFlbd9hVB (fossforce.com) | Nov 25 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Will Steam Machine Solve Linux's Gaming Woes? | FOSS Force | Nov 25 20:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Adlink’s rugged, Linux-friendly “CM1-86DX3” | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PC/104 SBC is built with DMP’s new dual-core" | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zVewklLZQy (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 25 20:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Rugged, legacy PC/104 SBC taps dual-core Vortex86DX3 SoC · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released | Nov 25 20:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released - Phoronix | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot Tour | Nov 25 20:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org | KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot Tour | Nov 25 20:34 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Beautiful KaOS 2015.11 Is Out with KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Frameworks 5.16 | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669613776904171520 | Nov 25 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz More timy pieces of the #snitchocracy / #snatchocracy / DEFECT QUAGMIRE that must be entirely drained. https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6 | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669614226969722880 | Nov 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you were the one who said that software is math but you can't solve any software program. You just don't get it. | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669614412177608709 | Nov 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog that's hilarious! I guess he never looked at the source code for any server software that actually serves up pages | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | he thinks markup is a program | Nov 25 20:35 |
| cubexyz | oh no, not this again :) | Nov 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I worry too | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669614661709332480 | Nov 25 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz “Customer security and privacy is a top concern and priority for Dell." --Dell https://t.co/GmmPlJ0e4Z | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com | Dell Compromises Customers' Security with Pre-Installed Rootkit - Breitbart | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669616093728632832 | Nov 25 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog probably thinks that writing apps actually work like pen/paper too :/ | Nov 25 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669616763978383360 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617147941793792 | Nov 25 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you are ignorant and lie. You refuse to solve ANY programc bc you can't. You twist and lie. Webpage is software. | Nov 25 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why won't you solve a program if software is math? Why do you always have to lie about what I say? Are you that ignorant? | Nov 25 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | webpage markup is input, not a program | Nov 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | php and apache, firefox etc. are programs | Nov 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618051445211136 | Nov 25 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Nov 25 20:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Ignorant software patent critic @schestowitz announces proudly that website code is NOT software. Apparently HTML and PHP are hardware. LOL | Nov 25 20:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 | Nov 25 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Great @schestowitz . If PHP is a software program and software is math then you can solve PHP. Can't wait for you to solve PHP. LOL. | Nov 25 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618725864103936 | Nov 25 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What is the solution for PHP @schestowitz ? What is the solution for Apache or Firefox? If they're software and software is math then solve. | Nov 25 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | sigh | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | waste of time | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: you're right | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | waste of time again | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855313 | Nov 25 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers making stuff up https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 I can too. Patent lawyer admits stopping violence against wife. | Nov 25 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855328 | Nov 25 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyer says "a software program" https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 George Bush said "the Google" | Nov 25 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619049408524288 | Nov 25 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: The funny thing is @schestowitz has boxed himself into a corner. He can't solve software because software is not math. Exposed as ignorant! | Nov 25 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | php is a program. You give it input and it gives output (the solution) | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619668450017281 | Nov 25 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What happened to the conversation about software @schestowitz ? You lost software is math argument so now you want to talk about program? | Nov 25 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619875631906816 | Nov 25 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: You said software is math, but you can't solve software, so that means it isn't math. You lie and misdirect bc you are wrong. @schestowitz | Nov 25 20:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669620933238222848 https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669621337862770688 | Nov 25 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Been fun proving software is not math, you can't solve any software and generally exposing you as ignorant. Thanks for laugh. | Nov 25 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Wow. What a ridiculous way to try and make a point… | Nov 25 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | he said that I said something I hadn't said, then deleted his tweet | Nov 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855364 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855378 | Nov 25 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Explaining software to non-technical #patent lawyers is a lot like trying to explain Evolution to dyed-in-the-wool Theists Waste of time. | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #patent lawyers who never wrote a computer program lecturing others about #swpats is like Theists saying "you think we came from monkeys?" | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832 https://twitter.com/iamgotlieb/status/669622512867766273 | Nov 25 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQF | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by AnonyOps) | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQF | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iamgotlieb: #Dell you fat fool. #Privacy https://t.co/ZQY7YjDYPL | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Undercoverinfo1/status/669622842875633664 | Nov 25 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Undercoverinfo1: @schestowitz @AnonyOps Another reason not to purchase device under one's own name or pay by card/cheque, or register support etc | Nov 25 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832 | Nov 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pandymonium01/status/669623486332010497 | Nov 25 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pandymonium01: This will interest you @schestowitz https://t.co/yzTuuwzIld | Nov 25 21:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musalbas: The page that Dell is linking customers to learn about the recent security issue, itself has a security issue... https://t.co/Y9f0sFDIeW | Nov 25 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669623733707866112 | Nov 25 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Ok. But you could have used another example of a made up statement. That's all. | Nov 25 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | it's the "have you stopped beating up your wife?" classic | Nov 25 21:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agedchild003/status/669626144321355776 | Nov 25 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agedchild003: Dell computers bundled with that blurts fingerprint to websites shame on https://t.co/GR1ugr7uVk | Nov 25 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/some-end-of-year-reading.html?showComment=1448485773696 | Nov 25 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Some end-of-year reading ... | Nov 25 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | " It occurs to me that a book written by a European patent attorney and entitled EPC Law for patent professionals in the USA, one that is a quick and focused read, and cheap, might sell quite well in the USA and prove to be of huge benefit on both sides of the Atlantic. Does such a book exist I wonder." | Nov 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/the-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1448480415214 | Nov 25 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: The European Patent Office [ http://ur1.ca/obmc0 ] | Nov 25 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | Troll: | Nov 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | "We see these days the union guys e-mailing and tweeting and texting so much, will it this time be a massive flash mob dance, a graffiti attack or EPO flags replaced by pirate flags as a new fresh surprise? ….VP1 is getting bored!! " | Nov 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448479353640 | Nov 25 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September [ http://ur1.ca/obmc3 ] | Nov 25 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you have to be a bit careful about how you word something, and avoid accusations, but merely stick to facts in the public domain (damning enough). Could someone please let me know where it is said that you are not allowed to contact your delegate? I'm sure BB does not like it, but that is not the same as it being against the Service Regulations. I have already done so a while ago on another matter. So far no comeback. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm doing it and I'll let you know if there are any consequences. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | By the way, where are the patent attorneys in all this? They, or their professional organizations, should get active. Politicians cannot ignore representatives of industry as easily as they can civil servants. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 21:30 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A program is a set of symbolic logic implications (imperative statements), but it cannot be solved until it is fused with the set of SL implications representing the functioning of a computer. | Nov 25 21:38 |
| msb__ | When that is done, the result is a sequence of symbols representing the output of the program. | Nov 25 21:39 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: So a program can be considered to be data for a computer. | Nov 25 21:40 |
| msb__ | Or a program can be considered to be an incomplete set of SL statements (expressions) until it is fused with the | Nov 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | data cannot be sent to a processor | Nov 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | this is why some objects are executable | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | and others are not | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | some are instructions | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | some just input | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | to operate on | Nov 25 21:42 |
| msb__ | SL representing the operation of the computer. | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669632387031162880 | Nov 25 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Has the decision been published? I thought they had decided to publish it. | Nov 25 21:43 | |
| schestowitz | the lawyers' association? | Nov 25 21:43 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Go back to the fundamentals of CS -- LISP. A LISP program can be seen as data for a LISP interpreter, or it can be seen as a higher-order processor that takes data of its own. It is both. | Nov 25 21:47 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A program is a set of SL expressions that doesn't produce anything (can't be reduced) until it is fused with the SL expressions representing the computer. | Nov 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/danielnazer/status/669632986250260484 | Nov 25 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danielnazer: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz What's the "solution" to the Axiom of Choice? The question is nonsensical. Does that mean the AC is not math? | Nov 25 21:49 | |
| msb__ | Likewise, a page of HTML doesn't produce anything until it is fused with an HTML interpreter program, fused with the SL representing the computer. | Nov 25 21:50 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A page of HTML is a set of instructions for an HTML interpreter. | Nov 25 21:52 |
| msb__ | Interpreters take data which _are_ instructions (at a higher level than machine instructions). | Nov 25 21:53 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: So a page of HTML is a set of math expressions (data is a an expression which is a list of expressions), which is only complete (reducible) when fused with the SL representing an HTML interpreter program and a computer. | Nov 25 21:56 |
| msb__ | A program can be seen as instructions, or it can be seen as data for an interpreter (the computer). Both points of view are correct. | Nov 25 21:59 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: a program is math according to either point of view. | Nov 25 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The | Nov 25 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4 Kernel https://t.co/YfFskzab9a | Nov 25 22:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix | Nov 25 22:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The | Nov 25 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4 Kernel https://t.co/Z8b0vB8GEZ | Nov 25 22:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Tux Machines | Nov 25 22:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Nov 25 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9ftQKhKe9p (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 22:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Tux Machines | Nov 25 22:00 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I got this understanding in my early teens when a friend showed me a book on LISP. | Nov 25 22:01 |
| msb__ | But I can express it more clearly now. | Nov 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669635397014659072 | Nov 25 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz The decision of the enlarged board. | Nov 25 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | The one 'leaked' last week? | Nov 25 22:02 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: LISP programs can modify themselves. So they are both instructions _and_ data. | Nov 25 22:05 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I wrote a bash program that takes any number of search strings and any number of "avoid" strings, and creates a pipeline of grep commands that emits all the pathnames under the current directory that contain all the search strings but none of the "avoid" strings. | Nov 25 22:08 |
| msb__ | It's very useful! | Nov 25 22:09 |
| msb__ | Programs that write programs are the luckiest programs in the world. 8^) | Nov 25 22:09 |
| msb__ | I should have said that after creating the pipeline, it executes it. | Nov 25 22:10 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: That pipeline string is both data -- created by the bash script -- and instructions -- executed by the bash script. | Nov 25 22:12 |
| msb__ | Likewise, every bash script is instructions, but also is data for the bash interpreter. It depends on which level you look at. | Nov 25 22:13 |
| msb__ | An HTML page _is_ math, but is incomplete until it is added to the expressions for the interpreter and computer. | Nov 25 22:15 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Why don't you tell this to that jerk who is arguing with you? | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: You're smart. Have you been reading what I've written? Isn't it true? | Nov 25 22:22 |
| msb__ | You go back early in CS. Do you understand the fundamentals of LISP? | Nov 25 22:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Syber discounted their Steam Machine line and | Nov 25 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | most are now sold out https://t.co/ScQ65M9d2B | Nov 25 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Syber discounted their Steam Machine line and most are now sold out | GamingOnLinux | Nov 25 22:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mini-review of physics puzzler Unmechanical: | Nov 25 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Extended, released for Linux on GOG and Steam | Nov 25 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lNQKln5nIM (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 25 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Mini-review of physics puzzler Unmechanical: Extended, released for Linux on GOG and Steam | GamingOnLinux | Nov 25 22:32 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 25 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669638241377759233 | Nov 25 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Yes, that one. Have there been others? | Nov 25 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tmoch28/status/669640989565460481 | Nov 25 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tmoch28: "Reeeeaal nice, clark" https://t.co/GYN3KTc7fw | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/seirdotmk/status/669645498098171904 | Nov 25 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@seirdotmk: Купујте Дел... https://t.co/UBhiJTYu5V | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PaulNemitz/status/669645718852935682 | Nov 25 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PaulNemitz: #EbenMoglen #Freedombox #cloud #logs #internet #freesoftware #opensource #freedom #privacy #surveillance #2010 https://t.co/ebAjOg88K2 | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moglen on low cost of storage and why the so-called 'cloud' is a disaster https://t.co/62dSrkgO09 epic talk, prophetic (before #nsa leaks) | Nov 25 22:49 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/briswe/status/669656009284145152 | Nov 25 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@briswe: This conversation is just 😅 https://t.co/s6SkKjGyYQ | Nov 25 23:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://t.co/wKOPhtxLJg what happens when non-programmers speak about software | Nov 25 23:26 | |
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| cubexyz | msb__, I study old tech, yes | Nov 25 23:44 |
| cubexyz | lisp is the oldest language after Fortran | Nov 25 23:45 |
| cubexyz | IBM 704 (1954) vacuum tube machine, first computer with Fortran and Lisp | Nov 25 23:47 |
| cubexyz | this goes back to the Church-Turing Thesis | Nov 25 23:52 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll quote the best authority on CS I know: Donald Knuth | Nov 25 23:53 |
| cubexyz | "To a computer scientist, this makes no sense, because every algorithm is as mathematical as anything could be. An algorithm is an abstract concept unrelated to physical laws of the universe." | Nov 25 23:53 |
| cubexyz | so Knuth says software is math... that's good enough for me | Nov 25 23:54 |
| cubexyz | some judges have argued that complex math is patentable | Nov 25 23:54 |
| cubexyz | here's what the United States Court of Appeals said: | Nov 25 23:56 |
| cubexyz | The court ruled that the no-patenting-math rule doesn't apply if the math in question complicated enough that 'as a practical matter, the use of a computer is required' to perform the calculations. | Nov 25 23:57 |
| cubexyz | Von Neumann architecture means that data and instructions are stored in the same memory | Nov 25 23:59 |
| cubexyz | so a Von Neumann computer, which is basically all computers we use, is like that | Nov 26 00:00 |
| msb__ | I guess that court ruling knocks out Roy's strategy. | Nov 26 00:00 |
| schestowitz | strategy? | Nov 26 00:00 |
| msb__ | That math isn't patentable. | Nov 26 00:00 |
| cubexyz | there's a lot of wiggle room there | Nov 26 00:01 |
| cubexyz | you could argue a program that finds the first 1 million primes is complicated enough to require the use of a computer 'as a practical matter' | Nov 26 00:02 |
| cubexyz | it's not a great argument | Nov 26 00:02 |
| cubexyz | practically speaking, software patents are a mess | Nov 26 00:03 |
| msb__ | They should still be banned because any programming problem, when stated clearly, can be solved by a person skilled in the art. | Nov 26 00:04 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft tried to patent sudo | Nov 26 00:04 |
| cubexyz | so the US Patent Office is clueless, I think Microsoft got the patent | Nov 26 00:05 |
| msb__ | There's also usually lots of prior art. | Nov 26 00:06 |
| cubexyz | the Microsoft sudo patent was narrowly framed to a GUI, not the concept | Nov 26 00:07 |
| cubexyz | still, it's stupid | Nov 26 00:07 |
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| msb__ | One of the main requirements of patentability there is that the invention being patented is not obvious, meaning that a "person having ordinary skill in the art" (PHOSITA) would not know how to solve the problem at which the invention is directed by using exactly the same mechanism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obviousness#United_States | Nov 26 00:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Inventive step and non-obviousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 26 00:10 | |
| msb__ | With that plus prior art, almost all swpats should be invalid. | Nov 26 00:11 |
| msb__ | The math thing isn't necessary. | Nov 26 00:12 |
| msb__ | But programs and web pages are still math. 8^) | Nov 26 00:12 |
| msb__ | I just found two great Art Carney movies -- The Late Show and Harry and Tonto -- both on usenet. I am a happy camper! | Nov 26 00:14 |
| msb__ | Most programs for Von Neumann computers are not self-modifying, although compilers create machine code which is then executed. | Nov 26 00:19 |
| msb__ | But LISP was designed to be self-modifying to begin with, which is how LISP programs become very intelligent and send out tendrils that go up your spine and into your brain, and take over, or at least share your body. | Nov 26 00:20 |
| cubexyz | we wrote self-modifying code on the C64 | Nov 26 00:21 |
| msb__ | In what language? | Nov 26 00:21 |
| cubexyz | assembly language | Nov 26 00:21 |
| msb__ | What was that, a 6502? | Nov 26 00:21 |
| cubexyz | 6510, it's very similar | Nov 26 00:22 |
| cubexyz | any memory location can be written to | Nov 26 00:22 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, once the tendrils are in, it wants multiple named virtual desktops. | Nov 26 00:23 |
| msb__ | What did your self-modifying code do? | Nov 26 00:24 |
| cubexyz | it did something with sound... can't remember exactly | Nov 26 00:24 |
| msb__ | I wrote the ultimate self-modifying program for the LINC computer -- Collossus the Bilk Project. I set aside most of RAM for the SM program, and the rest for a self-interpreter that would execute the instructions in there, except it wouldn't halt and wouldn't modify the interpreter. Then I turned it on. | Nov 26 00:29 |
| msb__ | The first thing I did was to type in: Is there a god? Of course it responded: NOW there is! | Nov 26 00:29 |
| cubexyz | that's why we have Strong AI! | Nov 26 00:30 |
| cubexyz | wait... except we don't :) | Nov 26 00:31 |
| cubexyz | there's some pretty good chatbots though | Nov 26 00:31 |
| msb__ | Just kidding. but LINC had a display instruction that would put a dot on the screen with the y coordinate in the accumulator, and the x coordinate in an index register. I swear it made patterns like EEG graphs. | Nov 26 00:31 |
| cubexyz | was LINC a souped up PDP-8? | Nov 26 00:32 |
| cubexyz | the instruction set was different was it not? | Nov 26 00:32 |
| msb__ | It had a different instruction set, easier to program. There was also the LINC-8 that could do both. | Nov 26 00:32 |
| cubexyz | or was it before the PDP-8? | Nov 26 00:33 |
| msb__ | Don't know which came first. | Nov 26 00:33 |
| cubexyz | oh cool | Nov 26 00:33 |
| cubexyz | doh I forgot I documented all this | Nov 26 00:36 |
| cubexyz | ok, DEC LINC (1962) was first, then PDP-8 (1965), then LINC-8 (1966) | Nov 26 00:36 |
| cubexyz | then the PDP-12 (1969) which was an improved LINC-8 | Nov 26 00:38 |
| cubexyz | the LINC-8 computer would be very collectable | Nov 26 00:39 |
| cubexyz | mag core memory, if I recall right | Nov 26 00:40 |
| msb__ | They were all core. LINC was great. It had A/D, D/A, knobs you could turn to adjust parameters (on A/D channels), an plug-in modules so you could interface your own circuits to it. | Nov 26 00:42 |
| msb__ | It had silver toggle switches for loading address and data, and you could just run your finger across them to set them all to 1 or 0. And lighted pushb | Nov 26 00:43 |
| msb__ | pushbuttons, one of which said "MARK". | Nov 26 00:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Nov 26 00:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Supporting Software Freedom Conservancy | Nov 26 00:44 |
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| msb__ | It had a speed control and an audio monitor (or maybe we added that). | Nov 26 00:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GOL, Phoronix on Graphics | Nov 26 00:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GOL, Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 26 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669675432346828800 | Nov 26 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @KrapulaPhD @FOSSpatents I think they know quite well. Their delegates, at least. | Nov 26 00:44 | |
| msb__ | I remember when we installed the jump to subroutine instruction. | Nov 26 00:44 |
| msb__ | I built a light-pen for it. | Nov 26 00:45 |
| msb__ | It was the ultimate personal computer for a person who liked software and electronics. | Nov 26 00:46 |
| msb__ | I wrote a binocular 3D display program for it, and used a knob to adjust the interocular distance. | Nov 26 00:48 |
| msb__ | If I don't learn how to do graphics in X pretty soon, I'm going to be very ashamed of myself. | Nov 26 00:51 |
| cubexyz | yeah really :) | Nov 26 00:51 |
| cubexyz | at one time, you were way ahead of us :) | Nov 26 00:51 |
| msb__ | Computers can do an infinite number of things. We each follow our own path. | Nov 26 00:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml | Nov 26 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 26 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Criticizing the patent system for bad patents may result in fewer approved patents which will result in fewer inventions and less innovation because everyone knows that the number of approved patents is a good metric for measuring how inventive and innovative we are." | Nov 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz | "and if you disagree with the metric mentioned above then how else are we supposed to measure innovation and inventiveness and progress? The number of patents approved provides us with an objective quantitative metric that can be counted." | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not that "...many people here distrust Florian Mueller". | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | To distrust is to suppose that there exists something that some would claim is worthy of trust. Mr. Mueller is not that thing. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | 2011: https://therealmadhatter.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-provenance-of-florian-muller/ | Nov 26 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therealmadhatter.wordpress.com | The Provenance of Florian Müller – Updated | Through the Looking Glass – link | Nov 26 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2012: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120419070127103 | Nov 26 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Oracle and Florian Mueller Got Hitched ~ pj | Nov 26 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2013: http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/03/google-about-to-lose-patent-spat-with.html | Nov 26 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Google about to lose patent spat with Microsoft: German court inclined to ban Google Maps | Nov 26 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | 2014: http://fortune.com/2014/04/03/whats-eating-florian-mueller/ | Nov 26 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortune.com | What’s eating Florian Mueller? - Fortune | Nov 26 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | He's a worm hoping that the body he infests will rise to the top. Thus far he's bet wrong. In the process he's misled the press, the courts, and public opinion. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing there to distruct because there's nothing there to trust. Florian is a gambler and he's playing on his own table with his own dice and his own rules. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | "" | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | so does tarring and feathering... how about we start playing some tit for tat? Maybe they will figure it all out then? | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Naw who am I trying to kid here... government fucks think only in terms of authority and peasantry. We just need to do as told. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | makes me think that perhaps his interpretation hits closer to home than I originally believed | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | ding-dong goes the bell here. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | > In fact, to argue that Schestowitz's post is defamatory is crazy. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Indeed. Given their police and court immunity, covert surveillance and other powers, it's not so much defamation as blasphemy. | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Re: Re: Re: | Nov 26 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Isn't science all about quantifiability? Number of patents granted is a quantifiable number. It's science. | Nov 26 00:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 26 00:55 |
| schestowitz | "There are not a lot of reasons to want to prevent someone from voicing an argument you know to be false. If censoring it were somehow easier than just explaining how you know it's false, and you are lazy, maybe but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case in any lawsuit.' | Nov 26 00:55 |
| msb__ | While stupid swpats may prevent big companies from doing things, they won't inhibit FOSS people, any more than copyrights inhibit "piracy". | Nov 26 00:59 |
| msb__ | What stupid swpats _will_ do is teach people that governments are often so stupid and evil that it's good and necessary to be an outlaw sometimes. | Nov 26 01:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 26 01:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/6YVcTEePxQ' | Nov 26 01:00 | |
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| cubexyz | msb__, I found xlib programming to be fairly straightforward | Nov 26 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I find that younger developers are more KDE/QT or GTK oriented | Nov 26 01:04 |
| cubexyz | at least on the Linux side of things | Nov 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | The US and its allies have been using Islamic head-choppers/clit-cutters to wreck nations they couldn't control and enslave -- Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Serbia. That's as evil and stupid as it's possible to get. | Nov 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Thanks, I will check them all out. | Nov 26 01:06 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the 3d stuff I did was straight xlib: | Nov 26 01:07 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/archimedean.html | Nov 26 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubeman.org | The Archimedean Solids | Nov 26 01:08 | |
| cubexyz | I can't imagine doing that on the older computers I had... they were just too slow and had low resolution graphics | Nov 26 01:09 |
| msb__ | Nice! | Nov 26 01:11 |
| cubexyz | of course even the c64 would have been able to do some simple wireframe graphics | Nov 26 01:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855483 | Nov 26 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "what could be done with the £175 billion admitted cost of Trident, if we lived in a society with less crazed values" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/11/british-values/ | Nov 26 01:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » British Values | Nov 26 01:12 | |
| cubexyz | but the c64 didn't really have any built-in graphical functions to speak of | Nov 26 01:13 |
| msb__ | I hope Carl Sagan is sailing among the stars in a dodecahedron ship, smoking a joint. | Nov 26 01:14 |
| cubexyz | and "high resolution" was 320x200 with 2 colours | Nov 26 01:16 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that compares to the LINC :) | Nov 26 01:16 |
| msb__ | LINC was mono. | Nov 26 01:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854986 | Nov 26 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnu-org-website-says-microsoft-s-software-is-malware-496689.shtml technically correct. #microsoft #windows | Nov 26 01:20 | |
| schestowitz | "They must know.' | Nov 26 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware | Nov 26 01:20 | |
| schestowitz | "de acuerdo con la fsf…" | Nov 26 01:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854814 | Nov 26 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I estimate that there are currently ~40 #epo stories in the pipeline and the queue grows bigger faster than I can 'pop' it. Keep it coming. | Nov 26 01:21 | |
| schestowitz | "Release them slowly, people has only so many fucks to give." | Nov 26 01:21 |
| schestowitz | My analysis and composition pace is limited also | Nov 26 01:21 |
| schestowitz | LOL, patent lawyer: https://twitter.com/MorinvillePaul/status/669689662370390017 | Nov 26 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MorinvillePaul: @CandidCanon @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Gene is understandibly showing his frustration with an entrenched imbicile. | Nov 26 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854759 | Nov 26 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trees are bald, everywhere it's cold, and all I have left are my cups of tea. Not sure whether to write many #epo articles or #freesw links | Nov 26 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | "EPO? Like the stuff Lance Armstrong took to win the tours?" | Nov 26 01:33 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office | Nov 26 01:33 |
| MinceR | 6:) | Nov 26 01:33 |
| MinceR | s/6// | Nov 26 01:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854796 | Nov 26 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too tired for writing. So focus will be on #gnu #linux - day off tomorrow, so plenty of time to work on #epo articles! | Nov 26 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | "👍" | Nov 26 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "yeah, solving a webpage is simple. That’s why everyone does it simply." | Nov 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz | https://medium.com/medium-eng/why-contenteditable-is-terrible-122d8a40e480#.i3bs72fss | Nov 26 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Why ContentEditable is Terrible — Medium Engineering — Medium | Nov 26 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855102 | Nov 26 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669584590164484096 what happens when non-programmers speak about software | Nov 26 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how programmers always say software is math but they can't ever solve or reduce a simple webpage or software program of their choice. | Nov 26 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6853666 | Nov 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz | "I like the bastards part." | Nov 26 01:36 |
| cubexyz | can I ban ipwatchdog? :) | Nov 26 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Nov 26 01:37 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah | Nov 26 01:37 |
| schestowitz | from where? | Nov 26 01:37 |
| cubexyz | my screen :) | Nov 26 01:37 |
| cubexyz | I think if I see "solve a web page" one more time my brain will explode | Nov 26 01:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 26 01:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KevinCarson1/status/669628630100676608 https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669690492032913408 | Nov 26 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KevinCarson1: How the Gates Foundation Fucks Up Everything It Touches https://t.co/r7RkFaor1N | Nov 26 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | How the Gates Foundation Reflects the Good and the Bad of “Hacker Philanthropy” | Nov 26 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 I think @schestowitz would like this. Although your tweet would be an apt title for the article. | Nov 26 01:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669692388944707585 | Nov 26 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used. | Nov 26 01:47 | |
| cubexyz | programming is problem solving also | Nov 26 01:47 |
| MinceR | would be nice if they didn't try to make the gate$ foundation look like it has anything to do with hackers | Nov 26 01:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/azurelogicapp/status/669693138131251200 | Nov 26 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@azurelogicapp: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used. | Nov 26 01:48 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | [virt-tools-list] ANNOUNCE: virt-manager 1.3.0 released | Nov 26 09:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Switch Galaxy Ultra, a fast-paced arcade racer | Nov 26 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | now on SteamOS & Linux https://t.co/nsVxVjE7w5 | Nov 26 09:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Switch Galaxy Ultra, a fast-paced arcade racer now on SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 26 09:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam Is Running Another Sale For The Holidays | Nov 26 10:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Steam Is Running Another Sale For The Holidays - Phoronix | Nov 26 10:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | A big Steam sale is now on, get some cheap games for Linux & SteamOS | GamingOnLinux | Nov 26 10:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's #Evolution Email Client Now Follows the | Nov 26 10:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME's Evolution Email Client Now Follows the Notification Settings of GNOME Shell | Nov 26 10:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Shell and #Mutter Updated for GNOME 3.20, | Nov 26 11:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME Shell and Mutter Updated for GNOME 3.20, Several Bugs Were Fixed | Nov 26 11:30 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854888 | Nov 26 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #microsoft -led PR campaign is a success. A lot of people now associate #freesw and #linux with "not secure"; lies by omission/focus. | Nov 26 11:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Well, they saw it didn’t work when aiming at IT people years ago, all that FUD basically backfired but yeah, average people are scared (now the thing I use is a fallacious argument “I’m into IT and you are not, let me tell you how better I know” kind. Surprisingly efficient)" | Nov 26 11:33 |
| r_schestowitz | hi, A_Friend | Nov 26 11:33 |
| A_Friend | Dear Dr. Schestowitz, I don' t always agree with your opinions, conclusions and comments. But your focus on what is going kn at the EPO is remarkable. If needed, I'll be happy to support you in you dispute with the EPO. | Nov 26 11:35 |
| r_schestowitz | thank you | Nov 26 11:36 |
| A_Friend | Like FOSS patents suggested. Keep up the good work. | Nov 26 11:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I doubt they'll take any legal action | Nov 26 11:36 |
| r_schestowitz | partly because of backlash | Nov 26 11:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I have some more EPO articles coming today | Nov 26 11:36 |
| r_schestowitz | I just need to prioritise and decide what goes next | Nov 26 11:36 |
| A_Friend | looking forward to the next articles and to help if I am aware or in pssession of interesting documents. | Nov 26 11:37 |
| A_Friend | Bye now. | Nov 26 11:38 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Nov 26 11:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I will mention publicly if I need something | Nov 26 11:39 |
| r_schestowitz | in social media or in articles | Nov 26 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Introducing the Fedora Cinnamon Spin | Nov 26 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AuoxNrJ8yn (fedoramagazine.org) | Nov 26 11:39 |
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| r_schestowitz | right now I want to see the CRG contract, some people have it | Nov 26 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-23-cinnamon-spin/ ) | Nov 26 11:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines openSUSE Leap 42.1 + Cinnamon, XFCE, or Budgie | Nov 26 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | = GeckoLinux https://t.co/ORmYJbQTfu | Nov 26 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (geckolinux.github.io) | Nov 26 11:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geckolinux.github.io | GeckoLinux by geckolinux | Nov 26 11:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | probably too high up people to take the risk of leaking | Nov 26 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackArch Linux ISO Images Updated with Over | Nov 26 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 100 New Tools, Multilib Support | Nov 26 11:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | BlackArch Linux ISO Images Updated with over 100 New Tools, Multilib Support | Nov 26 11:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | it might also be useful to know the name of the CRG people 'assigned' to EPO work | Nov 26 11:40 |
| r_schestowitz | as that can help correlate them to their past activities, e.g. Iraq and Afghanistan | Nov 26 11:40 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NewsCoverUp/status/669843488784142336 | Nov 26 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NewsCoverUp: @schestowitz Hey Doc fine! Could you tell me wich Phone & Tablet Best to Work with Linux Ubuntu? | Nov 26 11:44 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | or a very unionized country like Germany, | Nov 26 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 26 11:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | this is a HUGE mindfuck | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | if you work for the EPO you are officially a minion, | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | the EPONIA King has EU immunity (and international too?!?) | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | and you signed your EU rights away in the contract | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/eponia-state-of-mind.html | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.epo.org/about-us/ jobs/why/salary-benefits.html | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | they even have their own school inside GERMANY, outside the German brainwash schooling system | Nov 26 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.il | The IPKat: Eponia: a State of mind? | Nov 26 11:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://esmunich.de/en/home.html | Nov 26 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - About us | Nov 26 11:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esmunich.de | ESM - Home | Nov 26 11:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | the bastard Frankenstein of the Eurocrats | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | EPOnia is not a "government agency", it is legally a Kingdom above the EU countries, it is a tyranny with ZERO accountability... | Nov 26 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | legal- wise | Nov 26 11:58 |
| r_schestowitz | here in Germany they fuck their employees in so many ways... and it is all legal; | Nov 26 11:58 |
| r_schestowitz | German employer rules or any other EU country do not apply inside EPOnia | Nov 26 11:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140731/04000928065/welcome-to-eponia-europes-new-rogue-state.sht ml | Nov 26 11:58 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Welcome to Eponia, Europe's New Rogue State? | Techdirt | Nov 26 11:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "There are not a lot of reasons to want to prevent someone from voicing an argument you know to be false. If censoring it were somehow easier than just explaining how you know it's false, and you are lazy, maybe but I'm pretty sure that's never been the case in any lawsuit." | Nov 26 11:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855463 | Nov 26 12:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch the film #algorithm right now. It's not for a mainstream audience, but it's a good film. | Nov 26 12:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Does it have to be now? :<<" | Nov 26 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | For mainstream = higher budget | Nov 26 12:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, | Nov 26 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapcraft 2.0 In Plan for Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 26 12:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, Snapcraft 2.0 Planned for Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 26 12:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854832 | Nov 26 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Well, could be worse. @Control_Risks ('British Blackwater') serves the 'heads' of people. Others serve fingers http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers | Nov 26 12:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | A lot of killers turn family man and pleasant neightbour when they come back to safe environment. Conditionnement, group dynamic, stress and nasty environment are part of the monster | Nov 26 12:19 |
| r_schestowitz | Of course, some of them like the monster they were, and won’t change. Most of these destroy themselves (drugs, jail, suicide…), but those surviving are like mad dogs in a nursery | Nov 26 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | US news | The Guardian | Nov 26 12:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | ^ QUOTE | Nov 26 12:19 |
| r_schestowitz | The toll of foreign policy like that in Vietnam (legacy lives on to date) | Nov 26 12:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Holiday tech support: 5 tips for Android phones | Nov 26 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/atMHkmaRx7 (www.theverge.com) | Nov 26 12:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Holiday tech support: 5 tips for Android phones | The Verge | Nov 26 12:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be the | Nov 26 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | World's First $8 Computer | Nov 26 12:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will Be the World's First $8 Computer | Nov 26 12:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based on | Nov 26 12:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3 | Nov 26 12:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | CruxEX 3.2 64-Bit Linux Live OS Is Based on CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3 | Nov 26 12:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System | Nov 26 12:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Linux https://t.co/qGPtnzojdj | Nov 26 12:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com) | Nov 26 12:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com | Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with Linux | Nov 26 12:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia | Nov 26 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Creator Tool for Making Live CDs | Nov 26 12:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia Creator Tool for Making Live CDs | Nov 26 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System | Nov 26 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Linux https://t.co/25iHeixDb1 | Nov 26 12:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cisco Evolves IOS XR Network Operating System with Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 26 12:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/LTkxsyU5iY | Nov 26 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 26 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp (thevarguy.com) | Nov 26 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Linux Foundation Explains a "World without Linux" and Open Source | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Nov 26 12:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp' | Nov 26 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Foundation Explains a "World without | Nov 26 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux" and Open Source https://t.co/J26CJm9eMp | Nov 26 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Nov 26 12:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Android Black Friday 2015 Deals | Nov 26 12:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gHPREpEgQD (www.gottabemobile.com) | Nov 26 12:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | Best Android Black Friday 2015 Deals | Nov 26 12:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap | Nov 26 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Architecture, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Nov 26 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/W1BldwZjVr (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap Architecture, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Nov 26 12:51 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New...' | Nov 26 12:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes | Nov 26 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Advantage Of OpenGL 3 On The GPU | Nov 26 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wXMSBYDOo2 (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 26 12:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage Of OpenGL 3 On The GPU - Phoronix | Nov 26 12:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition Beta Is Out, Download Now for Ubuntu and Windows | Nov 26 12:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage...' | Nov 26 13:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch | Nov 26 13:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | High and Critical Security Issues | Nov 26 13:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/l92bZ40kQR (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 13:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and Critical Security Issues | Nov 26 13:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/669863942840295427 | Nov 26 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz We've had Win 10 IoT running on PIs, just for shits and giggles, but ofc it's a very different beast to full fat. | Nov 26 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nokia’s first flagship Android phone | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XQNQg6Cwjl (bgr.com) back to | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux? https://t.co/a6y3455Kdp (techrights.org) | Nov 26 13:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Nokia C1 rumors: Questionable render pops up, shows Android and Win10 | BGR | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Nov 26 13:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released - Qt Blog | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 13:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a | Nov 26 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | seasoned Arch user? https://t.co/nD6qFzvnEE | Nov 26 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.itworld.com) | Nov 26 13:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a seasoned Arch user? | ITworld | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/669872249806200832 | Nov 26 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/AysUh0Xn0W https://t.co/lKEVSvu66l | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Opensource.com thanks the open source community | Opensource.com | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/GARtEQqtKs | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669874132096446465 | Nov 26 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: I'm running #GOME3 on #Debian Sid w/o #systemd—using placebo 'systemd-shims'—all as placebo for @_Enlightenment_ ;-) https://t.co/HIuXgJ4VpR | Nov 26 13:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Will You Be Able To Run a Modern Desktop Environment In 2016 Without Systemd? https://t.co/kD0N3NDtm4 #systemd #redhat | Nov 26 13:47 | |
| cubexyz | answer: yes | Nov 26 13:48 |
| msb_ | Devuan and Trinity, hopefully. | Nov 26 13:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux MX-15 in Beta 2 will ship in 32 and 64 | Nov 26 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bit versions. https://t.co/2KEm8wUTFn | Nov 26 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.mepiscommunity.org) | Nov 26 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mepiscommunity.org | MX Linux | MX & Mepis Community | Nov 26 13:52 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk | La Esquina de un Migrante a Linux: Good News! | Nov 26 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nokia’s first flagship Android phone | Nov 26 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Nov 26 13:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nokia’s first flagship Android phone purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Tux Machines | Nov 26 13:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Nov 26 13:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Tux Machines | Nov 26 13:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.html | Nov 26 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | "https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml#comments" | Nov 26 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: EPO labor dispute getting completely out of hand: three union leaders suspended, others pressured | Nov 26 14:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 26 14:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | and let's not forget the suicides... | Nov 26 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/08/27/epo-suicides-endemic/ | Nov 26 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Another Suicide at the EPO, Fifth by Our Count | Techrights | Nov 26 14:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669878619343319040 | Nov 26 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Mind you, it might be my first thanksgiving. Because of the turkey of course. (oh well, poor animals...). | Nov 26 14:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I consider becoming vegan | Nov 26 14:15 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669879322316922880 | Nov 26 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Same here. Ppl from #Chicomoztocah [7 Caves] don't celebrate that; #huexolotl ['turkey'] is just part of foodstuff: https://t.co/hKAQ7eGZRi | Nov 26 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We don't celebrate #thanksgiving here, but this morning we had some turkey for breakfast. A little symbolic. Bought it last night. | Nov 26 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 14:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Tux Machines | Nov 26 14:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Nov 26 14:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Tux Machines | Nov 26 14:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Nov 26 14:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Tux Machines | Nov 26 14:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669884640459624449 | Nov 26 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Just wait... he's gonna get out of the bloody car at some point anyway, right? | Nov 26 15:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | He has too high a view of himself | Nov 26 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | Nov 26 15:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/lzkhxO09Ir | Nov 26 15:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | Techrights | Nov 26 15:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/hH9prCOb7x | Nov 26 15:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/o1WJ6fITQw | Nov 26 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Nov 26 15:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines French public sector still a large user of Free | Nov 26 15:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software (PAC) https://t.co/AzjZKdI51m | Nov 26 15:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | French public sector still a large user of Free Software (PAC) | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Fedora 24 Linux to Ship with a Livemedia...' | Nov 26 17:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and...' | Nov 26 17:16 | |
| r_schestowitz | " Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth (Matthew, 5:5)" | Nov 26 17:18 |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448558110913 | Nov 26 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions | Nov 26 17:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | " Cursèd is the suepo leadership, for they shall be cast into the wilderness (Benoît, 11:2015)" | Nov 26 17:18 |
| r_schestowitz | LOL | Nov 26 17:18 |
| r_schestowitz | "Help yourself if you like any of this.' | Nov 26 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Just got a guest post | Nov 26 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "This is just one guy's opinion..." | Nov 26 17:23 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/669943226539876352 | Nov 26 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Software is algorithms, you pass values into the algorithms to get the Solutions!!!!! @danielnazer | Nov 26 18:48 | |
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| r_schestowitz | Putitin in the turkey | Nov 26 19:27 |
| MinceR | don't putitin the turkey, that's gross | Nov 26 19:29 |
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| msb_ | According to RT, Russian aircraft pounded the Turkmen (sp?) head-chopper allies of Turkey who fired on the SU-24 pilots in their chutes and blew up a Russian rescue helicopter using an American TOW missile. | Nov 26 19:41 |
| MinceR | and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sun | Nov 26 19:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Nov 26 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Samsung 850 SSDs https://t.co/0fCYdmSpBw | Nov 26 19:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel On Samsung 850 SSDs - Phoronix | Nov 26 19:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 19:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 19:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features Planned https://t.co/bRV89ImHoc | Nov 26 19:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of Features Planned | Nov 26 19:48 | |
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| msb__ | Hmm, #techrights disappeared for 20 minutes, but now it's back. Anyone else see that? | Nov 26 20:06 |
| msb__ | Perhaps when MinceR's North Koreans landed on the surface of the Sun, it caused a tremendous disturbance in the Force. | Nov 26 20:11 |
| r_schestowitz | the channel? | Nov 26 20:12 |
| msb__ | Yes, the #techrights IRC channel. | Nov 26 20:12 |
| MinceR | freenode seems to be having issues | Nov 26 20:13 |
| r_schestowitz | there was a netsplit earlier | Nov 26 20:13 |
| r_schestowitz | affected all channels | Nov 26 20:13 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:46] <MinceR> and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sun | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think I ever saw English-speaking nkorean media | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | I may have seen just one, but that was a very long time ago | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:29] <MinceR> don't putitin the turkey, that's gross | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | Put it in the hog instead | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | !google cameron pig | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Piggate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - David Cameron publicly denies Lord Ashcroft pig allegation for first ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/27/david-cameron-denies-lord-ashcroft-allegations-call-me-dave-dead-pig | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cameron's Pig (@CameronPig) | Twitter | https://twitter.com/cameronpig%3Flang%3Den | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Why Your David Cameron Pig Joke Is Completely Missing the Point ... | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/09/david-cameron-pig-piers-gaveston | Nov 26 20:15 |
| msb__ | IRC got kinda funky for me a couple of months and has stayed that way. Now all channels show "lag unknown" instead of giving lag in milliseconds. | Nov 26 20:15 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe irc client issues | Nov 26 20:15 |
| r_schestowitz | mine shows lag | Nov 26 20:15 |
| msb__ | I've been using konversation 1.3.1 from kde 4.6 for years. Haven't changed it. Have restarted it many times. Could be my ISP Comcast. | Nov 26 20:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Nov 26 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:19 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @HardwareNewz followed @tuxmachines | Nov 26 20:20 | |
| cubexyz | hmm, seems to work OK for me | Nov 26 20:20 |
| cubexyz | aside from the usual net splits | Nov 26 20:20 |
| msb__ | Momentarily showed lag 177ms, then switched back to lag unknown. | Nov 26 20:20 |
| cubexyz | no interruptions for me so far | Nov 26 20:20 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, yes now I see it | Nov 26 20:21 |
| cubexyz | just wasn't looking at the screen during that time | Nov 26 20:21 |
| cubexyz | there was a net split | Nov 26 20:21 |
| cubexyz | ok.. it's official... longest uptime ever for FC1: 384 days | Nov 26 20:22 |
| cubexyz | that passes my openbsd record of 382 days | Nov 26 20:23 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: I was actually going to phone you up, but then the channel came back. | Nov 26 20:24 |
| msb__ | I'd like to see a picture of your lab, showing all the computers. | Nov 26 20:25 |
| cubexyz | they aren't all in the same room :) | Nov 26 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dying Light's DLC The Following will be on | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, price set to rise soon | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Dying Light's DLC The Following will be on Linux, price set to rise soon | GamingOnLinux | Nov 26 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Give back and support open source | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Give back and support open source | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:26 | |
| cubexyz | anyways there just a bunch of boring towers and desktops | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Samsung 850 SSDs https://t.co/kKRzRcoAeH | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel On Samsung 850 SSDs | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features Planned https://t.co/2SfsqrY8YH | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of Features Planned | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:27 | |
| cubexyz | the only semi-interesting thing is q4os | Nov 26 20:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-trinity-2015.png | Nov 26 20:30 |
| cubexyz | or KDE with plan9: | Nov 26 20:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png | Nov 26 20:32 |
| msb__ | I envision a central cockpit with a hydraulic power-chair and about nine 36" screens. | Nov 26 20:32 |
| cubexyz | the reality is somewhat more mundane | Nov 26 20:33 |
| cubexyz | you're still thinking about The Matrix :) | Nov 26 20:34 |
| msb__ | Or a B5 WhiteStar. | Nov 26 20:34 |
| cubexyz | the boring reality: | Nov 26 20:39 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/boring-computer-setup.png | Nov 26 20:40 |
| cubexyz | ssh into 6 machines, along with the chromebook, zaurus, amiga, and another stack of machines which are either broken or even more obsolete | Nov 26 20:41 |
| cubexyz | there's a whole room just filled with parts | Nov 26 20:42 |
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| msb__ | Someone should create Vorlon Linux. Infinitely powerful, but behind its Encounter Shell no one knows exactly what it's doing. | Nov 26 20:45 |
| cubexyz | a pity I didn't keep the 286 | Nov 26 20:47 |
| cubexyz | but it would just be another boring box | Nov 26 20:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/futuretron-286.jpg | Nov 26 20:48 |
| cubexyz | only $2646 :) | Nov 26 20:48 |
| cubexyz | makes me wonder how much motherboards cost back in 1986 | Nov 26 20:50 |
| msb__ | When a dollar was worth a lot more than it is today. | Nov 26 20:50 |
| msb__ | I remember seeing ads like that, or very similar. | Nov 26 20:51 |
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| msb__ | Back then a 286 was state of the art. Probably as powerful as a good-size PDP-11, but much cheaper. | Nov 26 20:54 |
| msb__ | IBM was still revealing the BIOS code for its 286s. | Nov 26 20:55 |
| cubexyz | 8 mhz 286 with hercules graphics, I thought it was decent at the time | Nov 26 20:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669981321456914432 | Nov 26 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: yes, I was struck by this too...sad; I used to respect the Guardian's journos...no one much left now https://t.co/5bbDaIXtOw | Nov 26 21:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #uk | Nov 26 21:01 | |
| cubexyz | for a comparison, a PPD-11/34 could do 495 drystones/sec | Nov 26 21:01 |
| cubexyz | that's a bit worse than a 286 :) | Nov 26 21:02 |
| cubexyz | a 6 mhz 286 could do 684 drystones/sec | Nov 26 21:02 |
| cubexyz | DEC got clobbered in that department | Nov 26 21:02 |
| msb__ | What did an 11/34 cost? | Nov 26 21:03 |
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| cubexyz | a PDP-11/73 with a KDJ11 15 mhz could do 981 dry/s | Nov 26 21:03 |
| cubexyz | the PDP-11/34 would be around $30K | Nov 26 21:05 |
| msb__ | And a 11/73? | Nov 26 21:05 |
| cubexyz | but remember that was back in 1976 | Nov 26 21:05 |
| cubexyz | ummm | Nov 26 21:07 |
| msb__ | I think an 11/70 was at least $100K. I remember being ushered in to see one used for molecular modelling. | Nov 26 21:08 |
| cubexyz | you could get the smaller microPDP-11/73 so I think the price was a lot lower | Nov 26 21:08 |
| cubexyz | maybe in the $20K range | Nov 26 21:08 |
| cubexyz | can't remember the prices on PDP-11/70 but yes, they were expensive | Nov 26 21:09 |
| cubexyz | but before the 1980s the PDP-11s were more viable | Nov 26 21:10 |
| cubexyz | in 1975-76 there was no microcomputers that could do what a PDP-11/70 could do | Nov 26 21:11 |
| msb__ | I think it was used for processing X-ray diffraction films of protein crystals, to determine the structure of protein molecules. Very important for molecular biology. People could figure out exactly how enzymes worked. | Nov 26 21:11 |
| msb__ | That's a Holy Grail of molecular biology. | Nov 26 21:12 |
| cubexyz | even now, a PDP-11/70 would cost some major bucks | Nov 26 21:12 |
| cubexyz | ok, by 1979 you could get a PDP-11/70 with 1 meg of ram for $43,700 | Nov 26 21:13 |
| msb__ | It had an enormous CRT display suspended from the ceiling. | Nov 26 21:13 |
| cubexyz | so there was a major price reduction | Nov 26 21:13 |
| cubexyz | original price: $93,000 so going over $100K would be easy with peripherals | Nov 26 21:13 |
| cubexyz | of course by 1979 you could get a VAX-11/780 instead | Nov 26 21:15 |
| msb__ | That was real Unix iron! | Nov 26 21:19 |
| cubexyz | I think the only PDP I ever used in a job was PDP-10 | Nov 26 21:19 |
| msb__ | Wonder how it compares with my dual core AMD from years ago, printed out like a postage stamp. | Nov 26 21:19 |
| cubexyz | even a DEC Alpha would have paled in comparison | Nov 26 21:20 |
| cubexyz | the old PDP-11s were just dinosaurs | Nov 26 21:21 |
| msb__ | But great instruction sets. | Nov 26 21:21 |
| cubexyz | vax780 was used by Bell Labs to make Unix v8 | Nov 26 21:22 |
| cubexyz | a microvax would be cool to have... someday I'll probably buy one :) | Nov 26 21:23 |
| cubexyz | but getting a working PDP-11/45 or PDP-11/70 would probably cost $3k to $5K | Nov 26 21:23 |
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| cubexyz | of course sometimes you can get lucky | Nov 26 21:25 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/669989241104048128 | Nov 26 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Being someone who has writen for Linux magazines for 15 years I can't argue with that. | Nov 26 21:25 | |
| cubexyz | someone gets tired of having all the old PDP-11s in the house and they will donate to some worthy successor | Nov 26 21:25 |
| msb__ | Those were the days of real computer/software engineering, like the race for the Moon. Now it's all "New Bullshit Linux 5.9 corrects 80,000 errors in KDE Plasma!" | Nov 26 21:25 |
| cubexyz | I still correct KDE errors :) | Nov 26 21:26 |
| cubexyz | just in old KDE though | Nov 26 21:26 |
| cubexyz | well a lot of the old Unix crowd is still around | Nov 26 21:27 |
| cubexyz | some of them are a bit anti-Linux actually | Nov 26 21:28 |
| cubexyz | but I heard Thompson uses Linux | Nov 26 21:29 |
| msb__ | I don't notice any KDE3 errors. Either I don't use those apps, or have substituted KDE4.6 versions, or I work around them without realizing it. | Nov 26 21:29 |
| cubexyz | some of the games have a few bugs, nothing serious | Nov 26 21:29 |
| msb__ | I can imagine old Unixers avoiding systemd! | Nov 26 21:30 |
| cubexyz | no doubt about that | Nov 26 21:31 |
| cubexyz | you can include me in that category :) | Nov 26 21:31 |
| msb__ | and me both. | Nov 26 21:31 |
| msb__ | The VUA in Devuan stands for Veteran Unix Admin. | Nov 26 21:33 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the old Unix folks went to BSD | Nov 26 21:35 |
| cubexyz | but there's more happening on the Linux side | Nov 26 21:36 |
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| cubexyz | I came out of video game/graphics development, so Linux was where there was more action | Nov 26 21:37 |
| cubexyz | there was some cross development to DEC Alpha and BSD but not very much | Nov 26 21:39 |
| cubexyz | Alpha and PPC | Nov 26 21:39 |
| cubexyz | that was back in 1999-2000 though... I haven't heard anything lately | Nov 26 21:39 |
| oiaohm | msb__: even the race to the moon was not without is computer issues. | Nov 26 21:40 |
| msb__ | Four major attacks on Linux, all around the same few years: 1. UEFI 2. systemd 3. SJWs 4. KDE4/5/Plasma with attacks on Trinity. "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_ What is _four_ times? | Nov 26 21:41 |
| oiaohm | Trinity really over time showed that the choice to major internal changes was kinda required. | Nov 26 21:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd would not have caused as much issue if consolekit/consolekit2 had been maintained. | Nov 26 21:44 |
| msb__ | The superb movie Apollo 13 (1995) shows a lot of computer stuff. | Nov 26 21:44 |
| oiaohm | Apollo 13 you have to remember that was the 13 mission. | Nov 26 21:45 |
| oiaohm | Scary enough every Apollo mission had something go wrong just Apollo 13 was the worst. | Nov 26 21:45 |
| oiaohm | UEFI has a long last started bring so Linux can update firmware. Before UEFI there were getting more and more motherboards where the only way to update firmware was boot to Windows. | Nov 26 21:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: My problem is before systemd and UEFI Linux was techically in trouble. Ok UEFI and Systemd have managed to bring as much trouble as they have fixed at this stage. | Nov 26 21:48 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: 1, no reason not to have qt3 and qt4 on the same machine 2. even just the init part of systemd is a godawful pile of shit http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ 3. my favorite mobo for an AMD 8-core can update (and download) firmware from/to a USB stick 4. Linux was not in trouble at all! 5. Who do you work for, anyhow? | Nov 26 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Nov 26 21:52 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: I did not say all motherboards had firmware update issues. Just we were getting more and more of them with Windows only Update programs. Some would support updating from USB key directly others did not. | Nov 26 21:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: UEFI 2.5 at long last defined a Universal interface for sending in new firmware. | Nov 26 21:57 |
| oiaohm | msb__: qt3 has a long list of security flaws linked to it. Unfortunatiy these are in fact design bugs that if you fix you break the old qt3 applications. | Nov 26 21:58 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So? Buy a good mobo or run a windows emulator to update the firmware. UEFI also prevented running Linux. Remember? | Nov 26 21:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: UEFI depends on the motherboard if it prevents Linux running or not. | Nov 26 21:58 |
| msb__ | qt3 works fine in KDE3, so if it's only used for that, no problem | Nov 26 21:59 |
| msb__ | Microsoft's _purpose_ in pushing UEFI was to prevent running Linux. Remember? | Nov 26 21:59 |
| oiaohm | qt3 single user on a system is fine. There is a issue with qt3 temp files. | Nov 26 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically qt3 based is screwed. | Nov 26 22:00 |
| msb__ | Strange that it works fine for me in kde3. | Nov 26 22:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: are you running multi user system requiring secuirity between them. | Nov 26 22:01 |
| msb__ | no, and neither are 99.9% of Linux users | Nov 26 22:01 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly the correct percentage. | Nov 26 22:02 |
| oiaohm | 80 percent of Linux desktop users are single. 20 percent shared setups. Schools/governments..... | Nov 26 22:02 |
| oiaohm | So there is quite a volume of Linux users effected by the qt3 issues. | Nov 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Trinity porting to qt4 for majority is one way of fixing the problem. | Nov 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | At times particularly libraries has to die. | Nov 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantly in the qt3 case it was a heavily used library. | Nov 26 22:04 |
| oiaohm | There are a few things about UEFI that are interesting. UEFI is design to allow multi OS to be installed. So no more MBR fight stupidity. | Nov 26 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Not everything about UEFI was about being in Microsoft favor msb__ | Nov 26 22:05 |
| oiaohm | In fact most of UEFI is not in Microsoft favor. | Nov 26 22:06 |
| msb__ | Just enough of it to kill Linux! | Nov 26 22:06 |
| oiaohm | Before UEFI signing there were motherboards that if they detected a MBR that was not Microsoft they did not boot either. | Nov 26 22:07 |
| oiaohm | Linux was at theat of not being able to boot with or without UEFI existance. | Nov 26 22:08 |
| oiaohm | At least UEFI has allowed open arguement about it. | Nov 26 22:08 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so like it or not before UEFI trouble for Linux had appeared. Remember the ACPI tables that Microsoft gave to OEM that were so far broken they did not even work with newer versions of Windows. | Nov 26 22:10 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I know its hard to accept but Microsoft is not trying to just kill Linux but its also been attempt to prevent users from using old Windows on newer hardware and new windows on older hardware. | Nov 26 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Most reason that Microsoft has not had perfect success is ODM not playing along. Linux issue is ODM don't play along with anyone perfectly. | Nov 26 22:13 |
| oiaohm | msb__: at the moment I work doing solution consolting and maintaince. | Nov 26 22:14 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: It's not hard to accept at all. But you're saying that UEFI is fine because it allows arguing, even though it prevents running Linux without getting a key from goddamn Microshit. You argue like a lawyer -- distracting people's attention from big important issues by mentioning little insignificant ones. I know you can argue for hours, but I am not going to play your game anymore. Goodbye. | Nov 26 22:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have UEFI motherboards where you don't need a key from Microsoft at all. | Nov 26 22:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: In fact they don't have the Microsoft KEK out the box you have to use the provided USB key to inload that before you can install Windows. | Nov 26 22:18 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Its ODM that define what default keys will be in there Motherboards. | Nov 26 22:19 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: It is necessary to think carefully and see around your lying propaganda to realize that in many UEFI mobos a key from MS IS necessary. | Nov 26 22:20 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sorry I am not lying. | Nov 26 22:22 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot | Nov 26 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.ubuntu.com | SecurityTeam/SecureBoot - Ubuntu Wiki | Nov 26 22:22 | |
| oiaohm | MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement. | Nov 26 22:22 |
| oiaohm | You can order boards from Intel and Gigabyte with your own private KEK installed and no Microsoft KEK at all. | Nov 26 22:23 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You are lying by giving incomplete facts, which give people wrong ideas unless they know what you have omitted.] | Nov 26 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | MS puff piece http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html?_r=0 | Nov 26 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/obop8 ] | Nov 26 22:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | I think I mentioned it last week | Nov 26 22:24 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So people who have already bought a computer with a MS key installed and not changeable will have to buy a new computer in order to run Linux. The LIE is that you did not mention that. | Nov 26 22:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: If you mean UEFI blobs for init hardware. From the start resigning them has always been possible. Later UEFI allows multi singing on blobs. | Nov 26 22:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: what you just said is the lie. | Nov 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MS Key is removable but you have todo it carefuly. | Nov 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | It simpler to start off with a system without the MS Key because you don't have the issue of UEFI hardware init blobs being MS signed. | Nov 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: also Microsoft has signed boot shims for Linux. So even if you don't add a Ubuntu/redhat/own KEK it still possible to boot Linux. | Nov 26 22:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-windows-8-uefi-platform/ Also there is something more fun. | Nov 26 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hansenpartnership.com | Owning your Windows 8 UEFI Platform | James Bottomley's random Pages [ http://ur1.ca/cxzfo ] | Nov 26 22:32 | |
| MinceR | 232253 < oiaohm> MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement. | Nov 26 22:32 |
| MinceR | assuming that they allow you to replace the keys | Nov 26 22:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: If you kill the UEFI pk setting the UEFI boot process no longer gives a rats abotu signing until it has a new PK. | Nov 26 22:32 |
| MinceR | and even if you can, it will probably still kill booting from removable devices | Nov 26 22:33 |
| MinceR | who needs that, right? | Nov 26 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: removing the PK and disabling signing completely does not remove boot options. | Nov 26 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/article/do-it-pros-work-too-much-survey-says-yes/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | Nov 26 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Do IT pros work too much? Survey says 'Yes' | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/oboq5 ] | Nov 26 22:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Offshoring, automation, staff cuts, and long hours all combine to make for some very disgruntled workers in the IT business. To say that IT staffers are overworked is somewhat of an understatement. We've known it for years, but now we have the numbers to prove it. Spiceworks conducted a survey of IT pros that helps shed some light onto what's going on in IT." | Nov 26 22:34 |
| MinceR | well, i've read about at least one uefi implementation where just enabling Restricted Boot is sufficient to make it forbid booting from a removable device | Nov 26 22:34 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder if there's any guarantee that booting winblows just once on a uefi appliance won't be able to fuck up your key and place its own in its place | Nov 26 22:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot enabled restricted boot if the UEFI Motherboard has it PK cleared. | Nov 26 22:35 |
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| oiaohm | To enable restricted boot the board has to be Keyed. | Nov 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | and what about uefi implementations where you can't disable restricted boot? | Nov 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | (the ones m$ is preparing for with its vista10 logo requirements) | Nov 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/0jUrYcA.jpg | Nov 26 22:36 |
| oiaohm | To be correct windows 10 requirements is that restricted boot is on. Not that the motherboard cannot have restricted boot disabled. | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | then there were those "funny" uefi "computers" where you had to disconnect the hdd to even make it let you enter the uefi setup | Nov 26 22:37 |
| oiaohm | The process of updating the PK requires going to no key state. | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | yes, and previous requirements were that it must be possible to disable it | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | the only possible reason to remove that requirement is so that they can make "computers" where you can't disable it | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | and the next step will be to do what they did on arm: make it impossible to disable | Nov 26 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Even arm UEFI it possible to disable PK | Nov 26 22:38 |
| MinceR | sounds like it's impossible to update the PK | Nov 26 22:38 |
| MinceR | how do they get the vista8 sticker on those, then? | Nov 26 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note not being able to disable secureboot is one thing and deleting PK is another. | Nov 26 22:43 |
| oiaohm | There are some ASUS motherboards that show no disable option for secureboot but include an option to delete the PK that turns all signing off. | Nov 26 22:43 |
| MinceR | the better to screw the users | Nov 26 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much. | Nov 26 22:46 |
| oiaohm | It tricks users that secureboot cannot be turned off because while the MS KEK is installed they show the secureboot option as on and greyed out on disabling. | Nov 26 22:46 |
| oiaohm | After you nuke and replace the PK and KEK's with your own secureboot gets back its on off switch. | Nov 26 22:47 |
| oiaohm | and of course then ASUS will not back waranity. | Nov 26 22:47 |
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| MinceR | so asus screws pc users like they screw telephone and tablet users | Nov 26 22:50 |
| MinceR | classy | Nov 26 22:50 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not really. | Nov 26 22:51 |
| oiaohm | https://www.all4os.com/windows/disable-asus-motherboards-uefi-secure-boot.html | Nov 26 22:51 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Asus does include means to load in own PK and KEKs after you have nuked them. | Nov 26 22:52 |
| MinceR | but they terminate your warranty | Nov 26 22:52 |
| MinceR | just like they do on the Transformer Pad | Nov 26 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Depending on country. | Nov 26 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Australia we have fair trade protection. | Nov 26 22:53 |
| oiaohm | So they have to prove that the modification caused the failure. | Nov 26 22:53 |
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| oiaohm | Other countries not so lucky. | Nov 26 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Newer UEFI motherboards are getting better on including PK/KEK replacement tools. | Nov 26 22:54 |
| MinceR | and they're getting worse on letting the user easily disable restricted boot | Nov 26 22:55 |
| oiaohm | I kinda agree. Removing the PK has the same functional resualt of disabling restricted boot. | Nov 26 22:55 |
| oiaohm | The issue of course is Windows 10 is not going to boot without restricted boot. | Nov 26 22:56 |
| oiaohm | If it was installed with restricted boot. | Nov 26 22:56 |
| oiaohm | No valid PK equals no KEK's so system boots without doing any signature checking. | Nov 26 22:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note secureboot on off switch was not part of UEFI standard. The standard from the start to disable UEFI secure boot was remove PK. | Nov 26 22:58 |
| MinceR | fuck the standard | Nov 26 22:58 |
| MinceR | also, fuck uefi | Nov 26 22:58 |
| MinceR | i didn't ask to be locked out of the products i buy with my own money | Nov 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | You are not locked out as long as you can remove the PK | Nov 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | And replace it. | Nov 26 22:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long i will be allowed to do that | Nov 26 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Early UEFI ODM did not want you to be replacemnt PK at all. | Nov 26 23:01 |
| oiaohm | But of course Linux coders worked out how to make copies of the OEM key replacement tools. | Nov 26 23:01 |
| oiaohm | And the secureboot on/off option was that you could not replace the PK. | Nov 26 23:02 |
| oiaohm | By being able to replace the PK allows you to remove MS signing keys/any other signing keys and only allow items you approve of to run. | Nov 26 23:02 |
| MinceR | until most people get used to restricted boot and think the threat has passed | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | and then they take the next step | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | as usual | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | this is how they manipulate laws too | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | (acta, sopa, tpp, ...) | Nov 26 23:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember you use to have to use the boot program keytool to mess with the PK. | Nov 26 23:05 |
| MinceR | which you can't boot because the system is locked down | Nov 26 23:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: due to legal requirements Microsoft signed it. | Nov 26 23:06 |
| oiaohm | So even a locked down system it runs. | Nov 26 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Of course Microsoft did not sign it for arm. | Nov 26 23:06 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 26 23:07 |
| oiaohm | There are jtag was in on arm. | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | because the market of arm devices does not need to be a free one | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | let me guess... m$ can revoke that signature | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | and the revocation can be applied if someone boots winblows once, with an internet connection | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | or a new enough version that already knows it is to be revoked | Nov 26 23:08 |
| oiaohm | To be correct no if Microsoft puts out a revoke its a breach of competition law unless it a case that there is a newer version that Microsoft has already signed and the old version has some major flaw. | Nov 26 23:08 |
| MinceR | competition law, which is being enforced less and less | Nov 26 23:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem here is the ruling was granted. | Nov 26 23:09 |
| MinceR | did they get punished for vista10 changing default browser to ie and not letting other browsers change it? | Nov 26 23:09 |
| MinceR | antitrust law is practically unenforced in the usa and in the eu. | Nov 26 23:09 |
| MinceR | the world is getting planned economy back, but this time it's going to be ruled by megacorporations like microsoft. | Nov 26 23:10 |
| oiaohm | do check out newer UEFI x86 motherboards more carefully you will notice all of them include PK and KEK control options. | Nov 26 23:10 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes secureboot option gone, but the import key control given to end users. | Nov 26 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Most likely for even. | Nov 26 23:11 |
| MinceR | how does import work? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| MinceR | do i type in the key, or insert a storage device with it? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| MinceR | or i have to boot something that manipulates it? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| oiaohm | insert on storage device because it too long to type in. | Nov 26 23:12 |
| oiaohm | To be correct key insert and delete control given to users. | Nov 26 23:12 |
| MinceR | does it have to be exfat or can it be ordinary fat? | Nov 26 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Has to be fat | Nov 26 23:13 |
| oiaohm | exfat is not exceptable. | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | wow | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | they're seriously missing some opportunities to screw the user here | Nov 26 23:13 |
| oiaohm | fat has been defined as UEFI file system. | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, intel pretends uefi is not a m$ "technology" | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | yet it insists on FAT and PE | Nov 26 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 26 23:19 |
| oiaohm | FAT was choosen because OS X, Linux, BSD, Windows can read/write that file system perfectly fine. Yes the reason why exfat is not acceptable is not all OS can process it. | Nov 26 23:20 |
| oiaohm | PE intel looked the wine project and saw the elf-pe wrapper. | Nov 26 23:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the one that is so far Microsoft its annoying is the cab file to update firmware. | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | speaking of the alleged enforcement of alleged competition laws, were any computers ever sold with winblows xp n edition preinstalled? | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | anywhere at all | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | or even offered for sale | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you mean the only thing that annoys _you_ | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | i'm annoyed by being forced to build my system on quicksand | Nov 26 23:22 |
| MinceR | (shitty m$ "technologies") | Nov 26 23:22 |
| MinceR | and no, wine is not a good excuse | Nov 26 23:22 |
| MinceR | those are just excuses to favor the formats of the company that refuses to be compatible with anybody: microsoft. | Nov 26 23:23 |
| oiaohm | https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh973604%28v=vs.85%29.aspx | Nov 26 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-msdn.microsoft.com | UEFI Firmware Signing - Windows 10 hardware dev | Nov 26 23:23 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly why do I have to use a cab instead of zip file. | Nov 26 23:23 |
| MinceR | because everything has to be m$ | Nov 26 23:23 |
| MinceR | in the m$ world | Nov 26 23:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the efi files come back individually signed. | Nov 26 23:23 |
| MinceR | where the governments of the world hand all the market to m$ (maybe playing an act of giving a bit to crApple, as the token "competition") | Nov 26 23:24 |
| MinceR | this is not a free market | Nov 26 23:24 |
| MinceR | this is not a market economy | Nov 26 23:24 |
| MinceR | this is not "capitalism" | Nov 26 23:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember if Microsoft was not using EFI getting motherboards supporting EFI would not have happened either. | Nov 26 23:30 |
| MinceR | well, it's their train wreck | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | ODM have done horible things like broken ACPI and so on. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | and uefi | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | and tpm | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | and intel boot guard | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI from start include the idea person would install more than 1 OS. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | It does. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that's what m$' lawyers tell the court | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | This is not MS Lawyers. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | "you can install any OS you want, as long as it's windows" | Nov 26 23:32 |
| cubexyz | no BIOS source, no control of your own machine, it's that simple | Nov 26 23:32 |
| MinceR | it's worse than bios | Nov 26 23:33 |
| MinceR | especially bios versions before the war on the general purpose computer began | Nov 26 23:33 |
| MinceR | free enterprise... for the oligarchs and their friends | Nov 26 23:34 |
| MinceR | slavery for everyone else | Nov 26 23:34 |
| cubexyz | the only exception would be computers that predate BIOS like PDP-11 | Nov 26 23:36 |
| cubexyz | or a computer you built yourself from relays or TTL chips | Nov 26 23:36 |
| cubexyz | actually the older the BIOS the easier it is to understand | Nov 26 23:40 |
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| cubexyz | I've talked to AMI about orphan motherboards | Nov 26 23:51 |
| cubexyz | motherboards where the manufacturer is no longer in business | Nov 26 23:52 |
| cubexyz | they wanted $10K+ for the source code | Nov 26 23:52 |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, hopefully the DOJ or Europeans will do another anti-trust case against Microsoft if things get worse | Nov 26 23:57 |
| MinceR | they never took such cases seriously | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | the EU valiantly forced m$ to offer versions of winblows without ie or media player... only as boxed versions (no preloads), for the same price | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | and practically nobody knew about it | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | the EU valiantly forced m$ to allow users to choose a browser to install and use | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | then m$ forced ie ("edge") as default in vista10 | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | and the EU said nothing about that | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | m$ was never seriously punished | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | practically no laptops are sold without winblows preinstalled in hungary | Nov 26 23:59 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks...? | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | there are 2 chromebook models offered | Nov 27 00:00 |
| cubexyz | the web browser selection thing was in win7 and win8? | Nov 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | not sure | Nov 27 00:02 |
| cubexyz | looks like all that is expired now | Nov 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | m$ is above the law | Nov 27 00:02 |
| schestowitz | not anymore | Nov 27 00:04 |
| schestowitz | MS lost some of its political power | Nov 27 00:04 |
| cubexyz | so basically you are saying except for 2 chromebooks you can't avoid the windows tax on laptops | Nov 27 00:04 |
| schestowitz | relative to other companies | Nov 27 00:04 |
| cubexyz | assuming you don't want OS X | Nov 27 00:05 |
| schestowitz | depends where you buy | Nov 27 00:05 |
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| cubexyz | pretty sure I can order more than 2 chromebooks online... checking now | Nov 27 00:06 |
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| MinceR | not sure | Nov 27 00:07 |
| MinceR | i could buy a dHell nSeries once | Nov 27 00:07 |
| MinceR | with FreeDOS | Nov 27 00:07 |
| MinceR | but it was garbage, with practically no warranty | Nov 27 00:07 |
| MinceR | nobody would sell an EeePC without winblows | Nov 27 00:07 |
| MinceR | nobody would sell a ThinkPad without winblows | Nov 27 00:07 |
| cubexyz | is the windows EEEPC the same price as the Linux EEEPC? | Nov 27 00:07 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 27 00:08 |
| MinceR | iirc the hw configuration was also different | Nov 27 00:08 |
| cubexyz | if so, it's just an inconvenience | Nov 27 00:08 |
| MinceR | no, not really | Nov 27 00:08 |
| MinceR | they hand m$ the tax they rob from me | Nov 27 00:08 |
| MinceR | which m$ in turn uses to destroy more of my rights | Nov 27 00:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, we did talk about Pitop and Novena | Nov 27 00:09 |
| cubexyz | so it's worth it to check on those periodically | Nov 27 00:09 |
| cubexyz | it seems these things take a lot time | Nov 27 00:10 |
| MinceR | pitop and novena are obviously unavailable in hungary | Nov 27 00:10 |
| cubexyz | right, we don't want to give M$ any money | Nov 27 00:11 |
| MinceR | but EeePCs were designed to run gnu/linux and they still weren't sold without winblows | Nov 27 00:11 |
| MinceR | though that could be because this country is a total shithole, filled with retarded savages | Nov 27 00:11 |
| cubexyz | looks like pitop will be about $300 | Nov 27 00:21 |
| cubexyz | power consumption is an amazing 3 watts | Nov 27 00:22 |
| cubexyz | you can get a linux EEEPC on ebay for $100 | Nov 27 00:27 |
| MinceR | and i can let the hungarian post steal/lose the package at no extra cost | Nov 27 00:28 |
| MinceR | or i can have a courier service deliver it for $100, if i'm lucky | Nov 27 00:28 |
| cubexyz | pitop-OS is based on raspbian wheezy | Nov 27 00:31 |
| cubexyz | at least it won't have systemd on it :) | Nov 27 00:31 |
| schestowitz | "Is this better than Ubuntu Studio?" | Nov 27 00:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6859763 | Nov 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | Nov 27 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat | Nov 27 07:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Saying goodbye is never easy, and this is particularly so in the case of my stepping down from the IPKat blogteam in order to sample the hitherto forbidden fruits of retirement. My fellow Kats have been a wonderful resource for me -- full of ideas, endeavours and unexpected perspectives on topics on which I have pondered so often that they were in danger of becoming part of my intellectual furniture. I shall miss their camaraderie, their | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | sparkle, their wit and their carefully crafted rage. I know that they will carry on our collective work and feel sure that they will lift the blog to new levels of excellence (or indeed, a cynic might say, to any level of excellence). | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | I shall miss our readers too. Many have posted comments, in their own names, under cover of anonymity or though the assumption of pseudonyms. Others have engaged me in correspondence, whether to share their fears and secrets, to inform me of forthcoming legal rulings, to ask a variety of favours or, worst of all, to crow triumphantly over the discovery of an error or – perish the thought – a spelling or grammatical error. | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | But most of all I shall miss Merpel … | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Bye! | Nov 27 07:16 |
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| schestowitz | The only person other than me to cover EPO matters is stopping | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | probably afraid of EPO | Nov 27 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for many years of insight, humour, information and of course pictures of cats. Thank you too for engaging in many fascinating debates over the years, for occasionally defending my corner, but most of all thank you for welcoming me and a few other Pirate Party members as a commenters on the blog, when many in your position would, I expect, have swiftly shown us the door. | Nov 27 07:17 |
| schestowitz | May your retirement be long and enjoyable! | Nov 27 07:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 27 07:17 |
| schestowitz | "There may well be laws against mandatory retirement in certain jurisdictions. However, I would suggest in your case that the EU, WIPO, WTO, USTPO, TPP, CETA, TTIP et al should get together and conspire to forbid you from retiring - or at least from retiring from blogging. " | Nov 27 07:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670167875672530944https://twitter.com/bounder/status/670171719240429568 | Nov 27 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6 | Nov 27 09:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #uk | Nov 27 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670167875672530944 https://twitter.com/bounder/status/670171719240429568 | Nov 27 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Tuned I stay ! https://t.co/DbXmJFNjKo | Nov 27 09:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Some very important stuff about #epo to come out today (before noon). Stay tuned.... | Nov 27 09:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6 | Nov 27 09:38 | |
| joelekstein | Hello TimeofIndia, Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss. The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http://digg.c | Nov 27 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/12/2014: Greg Kroah-Hartman Interview, Fedora 21 Imminent | Techrights | Nov 27 09:39 | |
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| r_schestowitz | [09:38] <joelekstein> Hello TimeofIndia, Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss. The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http:// | Nov 27 10:46 |
| r_schestowitz | digg.co | Nov 27 10:46 |
| r_schestowitz | seems like spam | Nov 27 10:46 |
| -mquin-[Global Notice] We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. | Nov 27 11:04 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > Another week has passed. Any word from FSF or, more importantly, from | Nov 27 12:13 |
| r_schestowitz | > Red Hat? | Nov 27 12:13 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, I was going to write about it today, but 2 hours just wasted blocking effective DDOS attack from Baidu, so might not have time... | Nov 27 12:13 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 | Nov 27 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu Stages De Facto DDOS Attacks | Tux Machines | Nov 27 12:13 | |
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| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 27 12:23 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: --Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property.-- | Nov 27 12:24 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: the redhat/Microsoft deal is nothing more than a limited cease fire. | Nov 27 12:24 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GreyBservices/status/670224315367882753 | Nov 27 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GreyBservices: @schestowitz didn't expect that such a huge amount could be spent by EPO on such cause. | Nov 27 13:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/670235241471176704 | Nov 27 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: #EPO panicking, spending absurd sums trying to put lipstick on a pig... https://t.co/WDnSrIAObx | Nov 27 13:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody Leaked: EPO Award of €880,000 “in Order to Address the Media Presence of the EPO” (Reputation Laundering) https://t.co/0p9SDcQbUu | Nov 27 13:46 | |
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| MinceR | 132322 < oiaohm> r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 15:33 |
| MinceR | "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers" | Nov 27 15:33 |
| MinceR | just because they don't call it a covenant not to sue it's still a covenant not to sue | Nov 27 15:33 |
| MinceR | using different words to screw the community every time doesn't mean the community isn't being screwed. | Nov 27 15:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: read section 7 | Nov 27 15:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Redhat has agreed not to sue in exchange Microsoft has agreed to provide all of RHEL without stripping parts out. | Nov 27 15:40 |
| MinceR | irrelevant | Nov 27 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Ok so the deal could have been better. But it does cause some interesting side effects with patent clauses in GPL,MPL,Apache 2.0 works. | Nov 27 15:41 |
| MinceR | none of this says m$ won't sue people using code derived from redcrap products without a contract with redcrap | Nov 27 15:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Please note the current Linux kernel copying has a patent clause. | Nov 27 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Its a shell game. | Nov 27 15:42 |
| MinceR | note that most patent clauses are worked around by not granting a patent license | Nov 27 15:42 |
| MinceR | merely promising not to sue for patents | Nov 27 15:42 |
| oiaohm | The patent clauses in GPL, MPL and Apache 2.0 says you cannot provide the product to clients if you do enforce patents agianst other parties. | Nov 27 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Using the same program. | Nov 27 15:43 |
| oiaohm | If Microsoft attempt to strip parts out of RHEL so they can patent attack they break the agreement they have with Redhat. | Nov 27 15:43 |
| MinceR | they can still sue for patents infringed on software using different licenses | Nov 27 15:44 |
| MinceR | and of course none of this keeps m$'s patent troll shell companies from suing anyone | Nov 27 15:44 |
| oiaohm | The interesting part is RHEL outer license contains a patent clause as well. | Nov 27 15:44 |
| oiaohm | I have not gone through it effects yet. | Nov 27 15:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property. << Read this. | Nov 27 15:49 |
| MinceR | i've read it a couple of times already | Nov 27 15:49 |
| MinceR | you should read it too :> | Nov 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | The fact it not a covenant means it not just between Microsoft and Redhat entities. | Nov 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Means If Microsoft get caught using shell companies it a breach. | Nov 27 15:50 |
| oiaohm | If they happen to touch any of Redhat customers. | Nov 27 15:50 |
| MinceR | which means they won't get caught | Nov 27 15:50 |
| MinceR | CPTN and IV will be proclaimed "independent" | Nov 27 15:51 |
| oiaohm | does not work. | Nov 27 15:51 |
| MinceR | even though we both know they aren't | Nov 27 15:51 |
| oiaohm | standstill is very particular. | Nov 27 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft selling for patents for others to use will be breach of standstill. | Nov 27 15:51 |
| oiaohm | as I say it ceasefire. | Nov 27 15:51 |
| MinceR | will be | Nov 27 15:51 |
| MinceR | so patents they have already handed over is not | Nov 27 15:51 |
| MinceR | s/is/are/ | Nov 27 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Also reciving income from patents effected by standstill that other parties hold would also see Microsoft in breach. | Nov 27 15:52 |
| MinceR | so they'll keep that income elsewhere | Nov 27 15:52 |
| MinceR | like in the shell companies | Nov 27 15:53 |
| oiaohm | So a decent percentage of already handed over patents is not free and clear. | Nov 27 15:53 |
| oiaohm | What redhat did is quite legally soild. | Nov 27 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Ok we would have prefered better. | Nov 27 15:53 |
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| MinceR | yeah, they're pretty solidly screwing us all over | Nov 27 15:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the deal is not one sided for Redhat or Microsoft. In fact it legally does cause Microsoft some harm. | Nov 27 15:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I wish it had caused Microsoft more patent harm. | Nov 27 15:56 |
| oiaohm | It also set a value presendent on Microsoft Patents of them being worth zero dollars. | Nov 27 15:57 |
| MinceR | i don't see how | Nov 27 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft did not demard payment to go to cease fire state. | Nov 27 15:58 |
| oiaohm | that can cause some issue when a different party argues that they are being over changed on patent. | Nov 27 15:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I agree the deal is not ideal. | Nov 27 16:00 |
| oiaohm | But the deal is not a complete disaster for open source either. | Nov 27 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Its far better than the android companies selling out have been doing. | Nov 27 16:00 |
| MinceR | are ratcrap's patents already established as being worth $0? | Nov 27 16:01 |
| MinceR | i think this deal is pretty much the same as the m$/novell deal, just worded differently | Nov 27 16:02 |
| MinceR | and redcrap has far more influence over free sw projects than novell ever had | Nov 27 16:02 |
| MinceR | afaict deadrat also has more influence over free sw projects than android device manufacturers | Nov 27 16:03 |
| oiaohm | http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html | Nov 27 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat Patent Policy | Red Hat | Nov 27 16:03 | |
| oiaohm | Yes for correctly license programs Redhat patents are already established as being worth $0 | Nov 27 16:04 |
| oiaohm | So Redhat traded something worth $0 for something Microsoft had assigned a value MinceR | Nov 27 16:04 |
| MinceR | notify me when that's enforced outside that agreement | Nov 27 16:05 |
| oiaohm | I also noted that Redhat agreement leaves Redhat with the means to walk away at any time. | Nov 27 16:07 |
| MinceR | but not m$? | Nov 27 16:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically we will have to wait and see how the redhat agreement is used by other parties to work out if it was a good deal or a bad one. | Nov 27 16:08 |
| MinceR | yes, but my prediction is that it's a bad one | Nov 27 16:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the fact MS will be shipping redhat product. Without distrupting their customers using Redhat product Microsoft will not be able to walk away. | Nov 27 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has really got the better side of the deal. | Nov 27 16:09 |
| MinceR | as if m$ disrupting their customers wasn't business as usual | Nov 27 16:09 |
| MinceR | they do it every day | Nov 27 16:09 |
| MinceR | and their customers have come to expect it, even enjoy it | Nov 27 16:09 |
| oiaohm | In cloud services market this means losing market share. | Nov 27 16:09 |
| oiaohm | And it cloud services that is hiding Microsoft growth failures. | Nov 27 16:09 |
| MinceR | which they never had there | Nov 27 16:09 |
| MinceR | only people with severe mental defects want to use azure | Nov 27 16:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sever mental defects. Microsoft trained profesionals unfortantally. | Nov 27 16:10 |
| MinceR | there still are professionals with a clue | Nov 27 16:11 |
| oiaohm | 12 year old kid can be a Microsoft trained professional. | Nov 27 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Basically to become a Microsoft trained professional answer questions as if you believe Microsoft marketing crap. | Nov 27 16:12 |
| MinceR | i see so much of that | Nov 27 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Redhat current deal with Microsoft I see as a foot in door method. | Nov 27 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Ok not perfect but as long as future deals keep demarding more out of Microsoft it will be good. | Nov 27 16:14 |
| oiaohm | So I am not saying not to presure Redhat to make better deals. Just don't completely presume the current redhat/Microsoft deal is without some long term planing from Redhat. | Nov 27 16:15 |
| MinceR | i think ratcrap's plans suck | Nov 27 16:15 |
| MinceR | they're betting on m$ and uefi, ignoring that once m$ locks out other */linux vendors via uefi, they might just as easily lock out redcrap | Nov 27 16:16 |
| MinceR | that's suicidal behavior | Nov 27 16:16 |
| oiaohm | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/library/dn747883.aspx | Nov 27 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows 8.1 Secure Boot Key Creation and Management Guidance | Nov 27 16:16 | |
| oiaohm | Microsoft stand on UEFI did change with 8.1 after all the SSL certificate issues MinceR | Nov 27 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Ok its not perfect. | Nov 27 16:17 |
| MinceR | and it changed again with vista10 | Nov 27 16:17 |
| MinceR | where's the outrage? | Nov 27 16:17 |
| oiaohm | No it has not in fact changed that much. | Nov 27 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Windows 10 still has the mandated option to be able to replace the PK and put the system back into setup mode. | Nov 27 16:18 |
| MinceR | baby steps | Nov 27 16:18 |
| oiaohm | But there is another bug you are missing. | Nov 27 16:18 |
| oiaohm | The issue with Microsoft UEFI is "1.3.5 Secure Boot firmware update key" | Nov 27 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Not the ablity to run other OS MinceR. But the ablity to secure your firmware from attack of the update key gets breached. | Nov 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | the "security" excuse is old | Nov 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | and it's just as transparent as it ever was | Nov 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | in fact, winblows is still insecure, and more than ever | Nov 27 16:20 |
| oiaohm | PK is replacable because its not secure. | Nov 27 16:20 |
| oiaohm | to have it fixed set | Nov 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | uefi locks you into vista10 | Nov 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | and vista10 is full of backdoors for m$ and government agencies | Nov 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | they can remove applications they don't like | Nov 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | they can deliver any code they want | Nov 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | they can spy on you | Nov 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | they can see the passwords you type | Nov 27 16:21 |
| oiaohm | UEFI for Windows 10 still has the 8.1 clauses that you should be able to kill the PK so go to setup mode and run unsigned. | Nov 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | this is not security, this is the opposite of security | Nov 27 16:21 |
| oiaohm | The back door problem of the firmware is in 8.1 MinceR | Nov 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | not only the firmware can have back doors | Nov 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | the OS the firmware locks you into can too | Nov 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | and it already does | Nov 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | and it pretty much always did | Nov 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | even winblows 95 tried to phone home silently if you had a modem | Nov 27 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Per Windows requirements for Connected Standby PCs with Secure Boot, the signature must be verified during every boot. The key must be stored in one-time-programmable, immutable storage. If this key is compromised, the PC is compromised permanently. << note this line | Nov 27 16:23 |
| oiaohm | This is the update key. | Nov 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | without physical security, none of this bullshit will protect your PC anyway | Nov 27 16:24 |
| MinceR | and if you have physical security, this is unnecessary | Nov 27 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Remember UEFI allows OS to push firmware updates for loading in next boot. | Nov 27 16:24 |
| oiaohm | So a insecure update key is a major nightmare. | Nov 27 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Even worse of a nightmare when you cannot replace it. | Nov 27 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Or disable update application. | Nov 27 16:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I guess you mean physical security like chromebooks write protect switchs on the firmware. | Nov 27 16:25 |
| MinceR | no, i mean locking the computer away in a place where only trusted people are physically allowed | Nov 27 16:26 |
| MinceR | or keeping it on your person and protecting it personally | Nov 27 16:26 |
| MinceR | hugely bloated uefi written mostly by m$ code monkeys is most likely full of bugs and single points of failure | Nov 27 16:26 |
| MinceR | all that unreliability is in there so they can lock you into winblows | Nov 27 16:27 |
| MinceR | and they claim it's for your security | Nov 27 16:27 |
| MinceR | i don't see why i should expect security from the crap m$ code monkeys crank out | Nov 27 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Really UEFI design has not ever been lock into windows. | Nov 27 16:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 27 16:27 |
| oiaohm | PK and Update keys are not Microsoft signed keys. | Nov 27 16:27 |
| oiaohm | They are ODM keys. | Nov 27 16:28 |
| MinceR | is that why restricted boot is ceasing to be an option and starting to be mandatory? | Nov 27 16:28 |
| MinceR | if it's so great, why do they have to force it on people? | Nov 27 16:28 |
| MinceR | and the ODMs serve m$ for fear of being screwed on winblows licensing prices | Nov 27 16:28 |
| MinceR | and availability | Nov 27 16:28 |
| MinceR | but yes, for extremely gullible people there's the illusion of independence | Nov 27 16:28 |
| oiaohm | restricted boot on off switch was never in UEFI standard. The disappearance of the secureboot on off switch is firmware coming into alignement with UEFI standard. | Nov 27 16:28 |
| MinceR | m$ spokesholes have claimed to be independent for a long time | Nov 27 16:29 |
| oiaohm | UEFI standard was always remove the PK to go to unsigned mode. | Nov 27 16:29 |
| MinceR | like gartner when publishing the bullshit TCO paper with m$ copyrights left on it | Nov 27 16:29 |
| MinceR | it wasn't in the standard because uefi was always intended to lock you into winblows and macos. | Nov 27 16:29 |
| oiaohm | the secureboot on/off option was more demostration of how much stupidity Microsoft could force on end users. | Nov 27 16:30 |
| MinceR | they encountered more resistance than they expected so they put it in temporarily | Nov 27 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Remnember secureboot on/off was stored in cmos equal not flash like the PK. | Nov 27 16:30 |
| MinceR | and as people are becoming increasingly stupid, it's taken out without resistance | Nov 27 16:30 |
| oiaohm | So running in secureboot off mode battery goes flat and the bugger was back on. | Nov 27 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Where removing PK it off until you put a PK back. | Nov 27 16:30 |
| MinceR | that's just one of the many bugs in uefi | Nov 27 16:30 |
| oiaohm | No that was not a bug in UEFI standard. | Nov 27 16:31 |
| MinceR | it's vastly more complicated than boot firmware ever needs to be | Nov 27 16:31 |
| oiaohm | That was a bug in UEFI caused by Microsoft. | Nov 27 16:31 |
| MinceR | only in tianocore, which everybody uses? | Nov 27 16:31 |
| MinceR | uefi itself was caused by m$ | Nov 27 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Because Microsoft did not want their signing keys removed. | Nov 27 16:31 |
| MinceR | i wonder why | Nov 27 16:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI was not started by MS. | Nov 27 16:31 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 27 16:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI first form was ELF based. | Nov 27 16:32 |
| oiaohm | that was done by Intel. | Nov 27 16:32 |
| oiaohm | PE mode was to make MS happy so they come on board. | Nov 27 16:32 |
| MinceR | and so ELF was removed | Nov 27 16:33 |
| MinceR | also, what filesystem did they use? | Nov 27 16:33 |
| oiaohm | PE wrapped elf remained. | Nov 27 16:33 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 27 16:33 |
| MinceR | m$, like redcrap, has to smear its markings over everything | Nov 27 16:33 |
| oiaohm | At first fat32 without long filename support. | Nov 27 16:33 |
| MinceR | they won't rest until the whole world is tagged as their property | Nov 27 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Because long filenames were patented. | Nov 27 16:33 |
| MinceR | so much for not being m$ | Nov 27 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft end up giving free patent license to long filenames for UEFI implementations and access. | Nov 27 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Because it was breaking their drivers having to have a driver that did not write long filenames. | Nov 27 16:34 |
| MinceR | how is that even possible to implement in an OS that's supposed to be able to access UEFI filesystems? | Nov 27 16:35 |
| MinceR | "oh look, you have a vfat driver in your OS, so we're suing you!" | Nov 27 16:35 |
| oiaohm | OS X and Linux has no problem doing fat32 with short filenames only. | Nov 27 16:35 |
| MinceR | it's yet another trap | Nov 27 16:35 |
| MinceR | yes, but if uefi requires long filenames, they can't do anything with that | Nov 27 16:35 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft has no patents over short filenames. | Nov 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | uefi is allowed to use long filenames | Nov 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | OSes are not necessarily allowed to use long filenames unless they're dealing with uefi at the moment | Nov 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | so how do they comply with the requirements? | Nov 27 16:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the patent grant means you can use fat32 with long filenames on a UEFI systema nd Microsoft cannot sue you because the support is for UEFI compadiblity. | Nov 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | ignore the long file names on the uefi filesystem and break uefi? | Nov 27 16:36 |
| MinceR | somehow detect when they're allowed to use LFN support and when are they not? | Nov 27 16:37 |
| MinceR | they can't sue you _if_ you're only using it for uefi compatibility | Nov 27 16:37 |
| oiaohm | To be correct early UEFI would call the fat32 partition invalid if it found LFN enteries. | Nov 27 16:37 |
| oiaohm | And still does. | Nov 27 16:37 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, we're not dealing with early uefi | Nov 27 16:37 |
| MinceR | we're dealing with the latest shit pushed by manufacturers | Nov 27 16:37 |
| oiaohm | No early UEFI has a stack of worse bugs. | Nov 27 16:37 |
| MinceR | i prefer no bugs | Nov 27 16:38 |
| MinceR | or at least fewer and less severe ones | Nov 27 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Current UEFI has less bugs that historically used BIOS images. | Nov 27 16:38 |
| MinceR | using a less pathologically overcomplicated boot firmware would be conducive to that | Nov 27 16:38 |
| MinceR | but no, we're forced to rely on uefi | Nov 27 16:38 |
| MinceR | and yet historically used bios images tended to boot the user's choice of OS reliably | Nov 27 16:39 |
| MinceR | they weren't deliberately designed to lock users into winblows or macos | Nov 27 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Nov 27 16:39 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 27 16:39 |
| oiaohm | There is a australian linux conference video covering BIOS bugs. | Nov 27 16:39 |
| oiaohm | And they are just massively horible | Nov 27 16:40 |
| MinceR | which of them were intentional? | Nov 27 16:40 |
| oiaohm | UEFI is particularly design to minimise the ammout of crap running in background the OS does not know about. | Nov 27 16:40 |
| MinceR | how does making uefi bigger than a monolithic kernel does that? | Nov 27 16:41 |
| MinceR | s/does/do/ | Nov 27 16:41 |
| MinceR | how does restricted boot do that? | Nov 27 16:41 |
| oiaohm | By over 99.9 percent shutdown once the OS has started. | Nov 27 16:41 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Nov 27 16:41 |
| oiaohm | That does matter. | Nov 27 16:41 |
| MinceR | 100% can cause the system to halt _before_ the OS gets to start | Nov 27 16:41 |
| MinceR | the whole point of boot firmware is to load the OS | Nov 27 16:42 |
| oiaohm | Problem with old bois images is the fact they would do a lot of emulation for running like freedos. | Nov 27 16:42 |
| MinceR | also, SMM support was not removed | Nov 27 16:42 |
| MinceR | how much emulation does coreboot do? | Nov 27 16:42 |
| oiaohm | UEFI has less running in SMM than old BIOS images did. | Nov 27 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Unless you use bios mode under UEFI | Nov 27 16:43 |
| MinceR | that's not a lot of improvement considering the cost | Nov 27 16:43 |
| oiaohm | coreboot direct to Linux is fairly clean as well. | Nov 27 16:43 |
| oiaohm | coreboot using a BIOS compadiblity mode is fairly crap. | Nov 27 16:44 |
| MinceR | and yet manufacturers are trying to suppress coreboot at all costs | Nov 27 16:44 |
| MinceR | and force uefi instead | Nov 27 16:44 |
| MinceR | what's the difference? | Nov 27 16:44 |
| MinceR | restricted boot, that's what. | Nov 27 16:44 |
| MinceR | (and that coreboot is a lot less of an unholy mess) | Nov 27 16:44 |
| oiaohm | a lot of Linux random lockup under bios came from the crap running in background. | Nov 27 16:44 |
| oiaohm | ODM its not the restricted boot they are interested in. | Nov 27 16:45 |
| oiaohm | ODM are interested in the firmware loading controls. | Nov 27 16:45 |
| MinceR | it is, as long as m$ has them by the balls | Nov 27 16:45 |
| oiaohm | You have the wrong party that has them by the balls. | Nov 27 16:46 |
| oiaohm | NIST publication 800-147 Field Firmware Update << MinceR did you miss this about the firmware updating restrictions. | Nov 27 16:46 |
| MinceR | probably | Nov 27 16:46 |
| oiaohm | NIST in fact demards the presence of secureboot. Particular own settable keys. | Nov 27 16:47 |
| MinceR | also, it's easy to make 99.9% percent shut down by fattening up whatever goes into the 99.9% | Nov 27 16:47 |
| MinceR | i wonder whose lobbyists man the NIST | Nov 27 16:48 |
| MinceR | i have some guesses. | Nov 27 16:48 |
| MinceR | especially after m$ bought most of the people at ISO | Nov 27 16:48 |
| oiaohm | No wrong people. | Nov 27 16:48 |
| oiaohm | NSA is the largest lobbist to NIST | Nov 27 16:48 |
| MinceR | and nsa and m$ are buddies | Nov 27 16:48 |
| MinceR | and so are nsa and ratcrap | Nov 27 16:49 |
| oiaohm | This is why the update key rules being wrong is such a worry. | Nov 27 16:49 |
| MinceR | not really | Nov 27 16:49 |
| MinceR | the nsa stopped caring about taxpayers' security long ago | Nov 27 16:49 |
| MinceR | if they ever cared | Nov 27 16:49 |
| oiaohm | update key is to the NSA advantage. | Nov 27 16:49 |
| MinceR | they use taxpayers' money to screw everybody | Nov 27 16:49 |
| oiaohm | Same with settable PK and removable KEK | Nov 27 16:49 |
| oiaohm | Of course removable KEK is not exactly what Microsoft wants. | Nov 27 16:49 |
| MinceR | also, if the nsa believes this restricted boot wankery will secure a PC that's not physically secured, they're incompetent | Nov 27 16:50 |
| MinceR | they need a job they have the qualifications for | Nov 27 16:50 |
| MinceR | do they also believe you can't (destructively) extract the keys from a TPM? | Nov 27 16:50 |
| oiaohm | After all the crap we have seen about NSA putting intentional back doors in products they are truly incompetent. | Nov 27 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically MinceR you have had the wrong party driving secure boot. Its NSA driving it. | Nov 27 16:51 |
| MinceR | all this accomplishes is make it difficult for everybody and impossible for most people to have control over their own systems | Nov 27 16:51 |
| MinceR | i wonder how much influence m$ has over nsa | Nov 27 16:51 |
| oiaohm | remember NSA designed Selinux at first. | Nov 27 16:51 |
| MinceR | selinux was not about restricted boot | Nov 27 16:51 |
| oiaohm | So NSA and userfriendly don't line up at all. | Nov 27 16:51 |
| oiaohm | I find it funny that you delete the PK then Windows 10 can fail to boot. | Nov 27 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Of course a Linux system you delete the PK and it still managed to boot just fine. | Nov 27 16:53 |
| MinceR | must be m$'s way of forcing you to have their PK | Nov 27 16:53 |
| oiaohm | You missed it. | Nov 27 16:54 |
| oiaohm | PK don't come from Microsoft ever. | Nov 27 16:54 |
| oiaohm | PK is ODM/end user created. | Nov 27 16:54 |
| MinceR | instead from companies m$ controls | Nov 27 16:54 |
| oiaohm | KEK comes from Microsoft | Nov 27 16:54 |
| MinceR | and signed with PK | Nov 27 16:55 |
| oiaohm | That when you replace the PK you can choose not to sign and if you don't sign it then it cannot be installed on system. | Nov 27 16:55 |
| oiaohm | Who ever controls the PK in a UEFI system controls what KEK stuff can be on the system. | Nov 27 16:56 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a problem who controls the firmware update key could possibly overwrite the PK you set. | Nov 27 16:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: over write the PK and KEK you have set. | Nov 27 16:58 |
| MinceR | another reason not to trust uefi | Nov 27 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Now if we can get control of the firmware update key with the PK key then we would truly be in control of the system. | Nov 27 16:58 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: you also have to remember places like NSA want to be able to run custom OS that are secureboot locked. | Nov 27 17:01 |
| oiaohm | NSA and Microsoft objectives are not in alignment. | Nov 27 17:02 |
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| MinceR | i question how much they want that | Nov 27 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember USA drone control these days purely runs on Linux computers. Other things run on BSD and the like. | Nov 27 17:03 |
| MinceR | they were just fine with using backdoored and weakened stuff themselves as long as it's forced on everyone | Nov 27 17:03 |
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| MinceR | also, the nsa getting to run custom os does nothing to guarantee that we get to do the same | Nov 27 17:04 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember NSA with windows has had custom signing key for a long time to they could load their own security fixes. | Nov 27 17:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I agree that NSA custom OS requirements does not mean it always going to stay the way we want. Current NIST designs are mandating custom OS options on UEFI. | Nov 27 17:05 |
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| MinceR | it also doesn't mean it gets to consumers | Nov 27 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok pure pain in ass custom OS option. | Nov 27 17:05 |
| MinceR | it also doesn't mean the hw is covered by warranty if you run your own code | Nov 27 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Currently it is making it to consumers MinceR on most motherboards. | Nov 27 17:05 |
| oiaohm | The warranty issue is a true pain. | Nov 27 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Also even Windows users are hating the Warranty issue. Like people who have updated windows 7 to windows 10 only to have their ODM tell them to reinstall Windows 7 or they will not support the hardware. | Nov 27 17:07 |
| oiaohm | So the ODM warranty issue hits Linux users and Windows users. | Nov 27 17:08 |
| MinceR | they got off cheap, then | Nov 27 17:09 |
| MinceR | the ODM could have told them that hw has its warranty voided now | Nov 27 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Some have been told that as well. | Nov 27 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Just because that installed Windows 10 on a laptop that shiped with Windows 7 or 8.1 | Nov 27 17:10 |
| oiaohm | ODM can be complete assholes. | Nov 27 17:10 |
| MinceR | it gets better when winblows update installs vista10 without asking the user | Nov 27 17:10 |
| MinceR | or pretends it's just a security update | Nov 27 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 27 17:10 |
| oiaohm | So perfect user did not do it yet hardware warnaity is voided. | Nov 27 17:10 |
| oiaohm | It gets more perfect most ODM have had a as is where is warnanity on the software as well. | Nov 27 17:11 |
| oiaohm | So as soon as you install Windows updates they can claim the warnatiy is void as well. | Nov 27 17:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically ODM are getting down right evil at avoiding having any warranty | Nov 27 17:12 |
| oiaohm | ODM skipping out on support is Microsoft means to presure ODM to do their bidding dropping. | Nov 27 17:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Basically there are 3 parties evily missing with each other ODM, NSA and Microsoft. | Nov 27 17:17 |
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| A_Friend | The "EPO Award of €880,000 [...]" article opens an unrelated page with an article of 2008 | Nov 27 18:11 |
| MinceR | r_schestowitz: ^ | Nov 27 18:11 |
| A_Friend | But it's simply an error in the link. | Nov 27 18:18 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/670268079969075201 | Nov 27 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Weekends are always a good choice. But presidents often published "something" on Friday afternoon, thus watch out! https://t.co/iqbaZY7prA | Nov 27 18:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I will try to find time to write more about the #epo this evening because there's a lot of stuff on its way. That's why they're nervous. | Nov 27 18:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | is freenode stable now? | Nov 27 18:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (just got back) | Nov 27 18:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/670268079969075201 | Nov 27 19:00 |
| r_schestowitz | [18:11] <A_Friend> The "EPO Award of €880,000 [...]" article opens an unrelated page with an article of 2008 | Nov 27 19:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Not sure which page it's linked from | Nov 27 19:00 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe post ID error | Nov 27 19:00 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> 132322 < oiaohm> r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 19:04 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers" | Nov 27 19:04 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> just because they don't call it a covenant not to sue it's still a covenant not to sue | Nov 27 19:04 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Nov 27 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 27 19:04 | |
| r_schestowitz | but moglen isn't on my side | Nov 27 19:04 |
| r_schestowitz | I wait for FSF to respond | Nov 27 19:04 |
| r_schestowitz | Moglen is SFLC IIRC | Nov 27 19:04 |
| r_schestowitz | I also need to ask for permission to publish | Nov 27 19:04 |
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| r_schestowitz | hey | Nov 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | r_schestowitz: hi | Nov 27 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | why the name difference change | Nov 27 19:21 |
| r_schestowitz | pc downstairs called "schestowitz" | Nov 27 19:22 |
| r_schestowitz | nick collision | Nov 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Nov 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | r_schestowitz: heh I wonder if I'll actusally get my Jolla tablet or not | Nov 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | they are having invester issues it seems | Nov 27 19:22 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah | Nov 27 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | brb | Nov 27 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | very busy at the moment, just got back home | Nov 27 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Nov 27 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | busy with what? | Nov 27 19:24 |
| r_schestowitz | EPO stuff | Nov 27 19:50 |
| r_schestowitz | articles.. | Nov 27 19:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Turris Omnia is a new open source router that | Nov 27 21:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What happened with Suse Linux Enterprise | Nov 27 21:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "In 2014, Linux was used for 79 percent of | Nov 27 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670353668131201025 | Nov 27 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Councillor or counsellor ? Just asking.... https://t.co/ZvsNByR2Wo | Nov 27 21:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Chinese state councillor meets #EPO president https://t.co/VLc2GtfKAT #Battistelli is in #China at the moment ... tyrants unite. Epic! | Nov 27 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670353668131201025https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/670356023236923393 | Nov 27 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Feynman...? {close friend of John C. Lilly, MD (1915-2001), whom i biographed, 1990} https://t.co/fXJ0A2kpq5 | Nov 27 21:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/670356023236923393 | Nov 27 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Feynman...? {close friend of John C. Lilly, MD (1915-2001), whom i biographed, 1990} https://t.co/fXJ0A2kpq5 | Nov 27 21:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Feynman...? {close friend of John C. Lilly, MD (1915-2001), whom i biographed, 1990} https://t.co/fXJ0A2kpq5 | Nov 27 21:51 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Features To Find With Mesa 11.1 - Phoronix | Nov 27 22:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Turris Omnia is a new open source router that | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by comes with powerful hardware and a Linux distro | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @vorelp based on OpenWRT" https://t.co/vMBlDR20Fl | Nov 27 22:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Turris Omnia Is a Linux-Based Powerful Open Source Router That Updates on the Fly | Nov 27 22:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How Nouveau Compares To NVIDIA's Linux Driver | Nov 27 22:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4? https://t.co/Sl5RNjAmNE | Nov 27 22:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With Linux 4.4? - Phoronix | Nov 27 22:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 27 23:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With | Nov 27 23:02 |
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| cubexyz | "What we're really after is simply that people acquire a legal license for Windows for each computer they own" | Nov 27 23:52 |
| cubexyz | anyone know where that quote is from? | Nov 27 23:52 |
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| msb_ | Satan | Nov 28 00:15 |
| schestowitz | bill | Nov 28 00:36 |
| cubexyz | :) | Nov 28 00:44 |
| cubexyz | no, I mean where did it originate from... comes document, book, etc | Nov 28 00:45 |
| cubexyz | the date it was said would be interesting to know | Nov 28 00:45 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: all I know is that quote is not new. " What we're really after is simply that people acquire a legal license for Windows for each computer they own before they move on to Linux or Sun Solaris or BSD or OS/2 or whatever. " | Nov 28 00:59 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: the fact OS/2 is in the list shows it at least 10 years old. | Nov 28 00:59 |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 28 00:59 |
| oiaohm | I would suspect some time around the year 2001 when Microsoft started COA stickers on case. | Nov 28 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Before that we had COA certificates for the Windows OS that was not tied to particular hardware. | Nov 28 01:01 |
| cubexyz | I thought the 1994 consent degree barred Microsoft from varying their prices based on whether OEMs distributed other operating systems | Nov 28 01:01 |
| cubexyz | if so, the quote could be from 1994 or even older | Nov 28 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Could not be older than 1993 | Nov 28 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Linux did not have enough market share until 1994 to really register. | Nov 28 01:02 |
| cubexyz | since Linux is mentioned... | Nov 28 01:02 |
| cubexyz | ok, interesting | Nov 28 01:02 |
| cubexyz | why haven't we seen more non-windows laptops then? | Nov 28 01:03 |
| cubexyz | it just doesn't seem we are much farther ahead in 2015 | Nov 28 01:06 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 part the german but this has OS/2 Warp versions. | Nov 28 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-de.wikipedia.org | OS/2 – Wikipedia | Nov 28 01:07 | |
| cubexyz | latest OS/2 seems to be around 2001 or so | Nov 28 01:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that quote is somewhere from 1994-2002 if it valid | Nov 28 01:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: also early references I find with google to that quote in 2006 question how vaild it is. | Nov 28 01:13 |
| cubexyz | I see 2001... still checking | Nov 28 01:16 |
| oiaohm | So you found someone question it around 2001 cubexyz | Nov 28 01:16 |
| oiaohm | https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/2257/windows-10-minimum-hardware-requirements-for-pc Hmm its not the secure boot here. Its the mandorary TPM that could become a problem for Windows users. | Nov 28 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thurrott.com | Windows 10 Minimum Hardware Requirements for PC - Thurrott.com | Nov 28 01:17 | |
| cubexyz | yes | Nov 28 01:17 |
| MinceR | windows is a problem for windows users | Nov 28 01:18 |
| cubexyz | wow, is google groups ever slow | Nov 28 01:18 |
| MinceR | they just don't know it yet :> | Nov 28 01:18 |
| oiaohm | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/library/dn747883.aspx | Nov 28 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows 8.1 Secure Boot Key Creation and Management Guidance | Nov 28 01:18 | |
| cubexyz | things are not in a good state right now | Nov 28 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Notice the TPM chip plugs into Microsoft anti malware. | Nov 28 01:18 |
| oiaohm | and it was Microsoft anti-malware that recently made ESET anti-virus, AMD graphics configuration manageer and other things disappear from Windows 10 | Nov 28 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Also make me ask the question is everyone running Windows 10 on older systems without a TPM chip or a old TPM chip going to keep on working? | Nov 28 01:20 |
| cubexyz | could you run windows on a P3? P2? Pentium? | Nov 28 01:23 |
| cubexyz | errr... windows 10 | Nov 28 01:24 |
| cubexyz | probably not Pentium at least | Nov 28 01:24 |
| cubexyz | ok, now the 2001 post seems to have vanished :-/ | Nov 28 01:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: 2004 Pentuim4 or newer | Nov 28 01:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows 10 requires NX bit in CPU just like Windows 8.x does. | Nov 28 01:27 |
| cubexyz | ok, I bet that post is a hoax | Nov 28 01:27 |
| cubexyz | it would be stupid for Gates to have said that | Nov 28 01:27 |
| cubexyz | but I found a 2003 reference for it | Nov 28 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Pentuim 4 2004 with coreboot support motherboards can be running the require UEFI version. | Nov 28 01:29 |
| oiaohm | TPM 2.0 restriction that is meant to come in in a year could cut out a lot of hardware. TPM 2.0 was only released 2014 | Nov 28 01:30 |
| MinceR | they were found out on saying a lot of revealing things | Nov 28 01:30 |
| MinceR | see Comes | Nov 28 01:30 |
| MinceR | and halloween documents | Nov 28 01:30 |
| cubexyz | that's true... but it's going to be a lot of work finding that quote unless there's an easy way to search all the comes text | Nov 28 01:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for the stupid things bill gates said in Comes and the time frame that is trulye a possible valid source. | Nov 28 01:31 |
| cubexyz | I think it's mostly rasterized pdfs | Nov 28 01:31 |
| MinceR | i think somebody typed in all of the comes stuff | Nov 28 01:32 |
| MinceR | or OCRed it | Nov 28 01:32 |
| MinceR | iirc it's on TR | Nov 28 01:32 |
| oiaohm | QEMU support TPM 2.0 already and there is a software version of TPM for Linux. | Nov 28 01:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, found the 2001 post again | Nov 28 01:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, I can't find it in comes | Nov 28 01:36 |
| cubexyz | but I did find this nastygram about killing GeoView | Nov 28 01:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.sysopt.com/showthread.php?30224-Bill-Gates-Will-Blow-Your-Mind!!!!!!! You found this link | Nov 28 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sysopt.com | Bill Gates Will Blow Your Mind!!!!!!! [ http://ur1.ca/obqyn ] | Nov 28 01:37 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that gives us source. Krakt Korteks interview with Bill Gates that I cannot find any evidence of that interview being real. | Nov 28 01:38 |
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| cubexyz | from Nov 2000 | Nov 28 01:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pjBns8oTnN | Nov 28 01:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 01:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 28 01:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 01:39 | |
| MinceR | yeah, that context makes it look fake | Nov 28 01:39 |
| MinceR | admitting that stuff in internal email is one thing, admitting it on an interview is another | Nov 28 01:39 |
| cubexyz | fake | Nov 28 01:40 |
| oiaohm | http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ Yep confirmed fake. | Nov 28 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 28 01:40 | |
| oiaohm | faked November 2000 | Nov 28 01:41 |
| MinceR | their source: https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html | Nov 28 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 28 01:41 | |
| MinceR | sysopt's, that is | Nov 28 01:41 |
| cubexyz | it's satire | Nov 28 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Yet it on many quotes sites. | Nov 28 01:41 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have used an invalid quote. | Nov 28 01:42 |
| cubexyz | it's "Krakt Korteks" fault :) | Nov 28 01:43 |
| cubexyz | "Pigs and aliens like Larry" rofl | Nov 28 01:45 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, the thing is no OEM is shipping an ATX motherboard with buildable BIOS source | Nov 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I've built coreboot for old gigabyte boards but it was a lot of work | Nov 28 01:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Coreboot-Skylake-Motherboards Intel does have some skylake boards with coreboot | Nov 28 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Adds Skylake/Braswell Boards To Coreboot: Kunimitsu, Cyan, RPV3, Strago - Phoronix | Nov 28 01:50 | |
| oiaohm | But they are not your full size ATX motherboards. | Nov 28 01:50 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what suxs is they are called customer reference boards and include a clause that Intel does not support final solutions based on coreboot | Nov 28 01:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.eltan.com/support/intelembeddedpartner/344-intelskylakesupport.html Most people are not aware of the existance of customer reference board from intel that have unlocked firmware replacement. So OEM/custom hardware developers can try out prototype bios designs | Nov 28 02:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eltan.com | 6th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors (SkyLake) | Nov 28 02:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6861373 | Nov 28 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Boycott #baidu - nasty, arrogant company http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 wasted hours on this today, undoing the damage they caused. | Nov 28 02:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Then that was the problem with your site, a crawler? I have noticed sometimes heavy load on my diaspora server, and I guess is also due to crawlers but have not bothered to check. | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | I just write it off as part of having Internet state, mostly because I have never noticed it nor gave me issues. | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 28 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu Stages De Facto DDOS Attacks (Updated) | Tux Machines | Nov 28 02:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Here’s a little round up on G+ for you, | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | https://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/F4J75rX5NWF | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: the gates quote? | Nov 28 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | baidu Doing Microsoft Windows DDoS on Tuxmachines and Freenode #microsoft… | Nov 28 02:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | baidu Doing Microsoft Windows DDoS on Tuxmachines and Freenode | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft #windows botnets not only cause Web sites adn services to become accessible. They also damage databases in the process. | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6860899 | Nov 28 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #windows has back doors. @snoden proved it. Time to ban Microsoft Windows from the Internet. Unplug. Clean the Internet. | Nov 28 02:07 | |
| schestowitz | See also, | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/670162459328684032 | Nov 28 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. | Nov 28 02:07 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/07/07/propaganda-shifts-blame/ | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/07/05/no-ip/ | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | heh, Techrights is also down as I post this. | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Boycott #baidu - nasty, arrogant company http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 wasted hours on this today, undoing the damage they caused. | Nov 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Propaganda Machine Tries to Shift Security Debate Amid Serious Catastrophes | Techrights | Nov 28 02:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Sabotaging No-IP Rather Than Admitting Its Own Failures, Time for Class Action Seems Right as List of Affected Domains Collected | Techrights | Nov 28 02:07 | |
| schestowitz | Turns out ot was Windows botnet using baidu to hide itself. See update in the post... | Nov 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6859936 | Nov 28 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Dpkg Vulnerability Closed in All #Ubuntu OSes http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/dpkg-vulnerability-closed-in-all-ubuntu-oses-496778.shtml #gnu #linux #security | Nov 28 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Not upgrading any Linux system is plainly stupid! | Nov 28 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Dpkg Vulnerability Closed in All Ubuntu OSes | Nov 28 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | These permanent upgrades are the main reason | Nov 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | why Linux is so much safer than any Windows version | Nov 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | "Only hours after this info I received the respective dpkg-update on my computer and installed it (just by klicking “install”." | Nov 28 02:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: yep gates quote http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html | Nov 28 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 28 02:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 28 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857969 | Nov 28 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " #EPO might buy an armoured limousine for the safety of President who has already a number of body guards" http://techrights.org/2015/11/25/les-echos-rebuttal/#comments | Nov 28 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | "It’s understandable, you know how terrorists are. They hate Europe’s freedom and patents." | Nov 28 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Criticism of Mono Now “Disappearing” | Techrights | Nov 28 02:09 | |
| schestowitz | he's afraid of his staff, a paranoid for sure | Nov 28 02:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: November 2000 fake that gates quote is. | Nov 28 02:10 |
| schestowitz | ah, oops | Nov 28 02:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Mind you many quotes sites mark it incorrectly as bill gates. | Nov 28 02:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have to thank cubexyz for starting digging. | Nov 28 02:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 27/11/2015: KDE Plasma 5.5 Plans, Oracle | Nov 28 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Linux 7.2 https://t.co/OvOm4DrZ6y | Nov 28 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (techrights.org) | Nov 28 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obr2a | Nov 28 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/11/2015: KDE Plasma 5.5 Plans, Oracle Linux 7.2 | Techrights | Nov 28 03:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/z8Rm0kO3i7 | Nov 28 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 28 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqzz | Nov 28 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 03:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Nov 28 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6RfGJlPHNj (www.elivecd.org) | Nov 28 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrf5 | Nov 28 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.elivecd.org | Elive 2.6.12 beta released - Elive Linux | Nov 28 09:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/r2kap4C48d (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrfm | Nov 28 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 28 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fl3n0bql5E (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrfn | Nov 28 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring | Nov 28 09:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 09:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ouozeXY12U (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 09:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrfo | Nov 28 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 09:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | [02:10] <oiaohm> schestowitz: Mind you many quotes sites mark it incorrectly as bill gates. | Nov 28 09:47 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:11] <oiaohm> schestowitz: you have to thank cubexyz for starting digging. | Nov 28 09:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Hmmm.... | Nov 28 09:47 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: e http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html The www.totalabstinence.com satire site took a lot of sites and commercial media to the cleaners | Nov 28 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 28 09:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 28 09:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Playing With Intel Skylake OpenCL On Ubuntu | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.10 https://t.co/ATdAKGX1Ee | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrj7 | Nov 28 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Playing With Intel Skylake OpenCL On Ubuntu 15.10 - Phoronix | Nov 28 10:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMDGPU With PowerPlay Compared To AMD's | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Linux Driver https://t.co/YVLEYdSWac | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 28 10:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | AMDGPU With PowerPlay Compared To AMD's Catalyst Linux Driver - Phoronix | Nov 28 10:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TheUbuntuDaily The #Ubuntu Daily is out! | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JASchiz4Kg (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines @ptheoiasptk @magnetikonline | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrj9 | Nov 28 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The #Ubuntu Daily | Nov 28 10:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1rS7eoc5lj (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrja | Nov 28 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pE6APHJ236 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrjb | Nov 28 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rkEV0tHO17 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obrjc | Nov 28 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:29 | |
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| schestowitz | I keep reading, and I still don't know what the fuss is all about. | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Can someone break it down for us Americans? | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | You should care because ______. | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | The argument is ______. | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 10:34 |
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| schestowitz | QUOTE | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "Apparently, in response to the criticism, the EPO called in the lawyers against the blogger for defamation or something. Apparently this type of behavior by the EPO has been directed at politicians and others as well." | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I'll try to relate what i understand so far, for some reason: | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | A techright.org blogger criticized the EPO (European Patent Office) for something related to corruption and human rights: | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "You forgot the part where Techrights is pretty much a bomb thrower's blog." | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | I can't tell the difference between this techrights site and one of the alternate reality wikis where a bunch of people write a bunch of detailed articles on a fictitious topic. | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Every link on techrights goes to other techrights articles. Half the articles are about indignities that techrights has been put through. From what I understand, techrights has been engaged in a secret war with EPO for decades, possibly even centuries. | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | centuries? | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "And how many people out there know what the hell this is all about from just reading the article summary?" | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | "Well, you see, something something patent office something something." | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | There was a techdirt article on it | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml [techdirt.com] | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 28 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | Personal attack: "I could be wrong but all the articles on techrights appear to be written by a schizophrenic off his meds." | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | As one might gather from the name of the place, TechRights is about rights (freedoms) as relates to technology and "intellectual property". | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing about freedom: | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | If you constantly ignore the incursions on it, pretty soon it's all gone. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | {Line about paving paradise goes here} | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | ...and I thought you made a promise a while back: | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Something about being fed up or something. [soylentnews.org] | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | ...yet you're still here. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | You appear to be all bluff and bluster. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | You truly don't have anything more to offer than whining about me?? | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | -- gewg_ | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Those jackbooted thugs just burst into my flat one day, yanked Fluffy out of his terrarium and jammed their tiny little penises into his anus. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I screamed at them and tried to call for help, but they just laughed and said "This is what you get for messing with the EPO, Schestowitz!" | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I said, "who is this Schestowitz and why are you raping my iguana?" | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | They looked at each other, threw me to the floor and yanked out my wallet. Then they said, "our sincere apologies sir, we thought you were someone else. But don't worry, it looks like your iguana enjoyed himself. I know we did!" | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | These people must be stopped! | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Some rather low quality comments in there. It'll like another /. (post Dice takeover) | Nov 28 10:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670552718386331648 | Nov 28 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Please, may we pose the same questions to medical doctors treating employees or receiving contracts from epo? | Nov 28 10:42 | |
| schestowitz | I would like to know more about the medical/insurance private partners of EPO, medical doctors too. Heard of it in passing. | Nov 28 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS | Nov 28 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/36jY2WeH8s (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 10:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/5FMv58HGoE | Nov 28 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 10:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileakBot/status/670560897975189505 | Nov 28 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileakBot: RT @schestowitz "Sony agreed to reimburse employees up to $10,000 apiece for identity-theft losses" https://t.co/DhdHucgjHB #sony #wikileaks | Nov 28 11:20 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/670562692416057344 | Nov 28 11:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz It's a shame thos would come from the state and not the war criminals who brokered the deal. | Nov 28 11:23 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Parallel? RT reporting hourly on head of biggest Turkish opposition newspaper/website being tried for treason for publishing articles and videos showing Turkish intelligence service shipping huge truckloads of weapons to Islamic head-choppers in Syria. Big crowds protesting at courthouse, being pepper-sprayed by armored police.. Kurdish Party leader murdered for saying the party are not terrorists. Ukrainian Nazis, | Nov 28 11:34 |
| msb_ | backed by US, caught selling weapons to Syrian head-choppers. One can almost imagine a single octopoid alien in synchronous orbit, surrounded by displays and keyboards, orchestrating all of this, and much more. But I guess it's just that psychopath behavior is similar everywhere -- torrents of lies, and attacks on anyone who exposes the lies. Roy, maybe you should vary your daily travel routes, etc. | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Doze Brings Marshmallow's Battery-Saving | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Feature to Older Androids | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o41Tj2J8e3 (lifehacker.com) | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | android (Linux) de facto standard now | Nov 28 11:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lifehacker.com | Doze Brings Marshmallow's Battery-Saving Feature to Older Androids | Nov 28 11:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here come the rose gold Android phones | Nov 28 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Here come the rose gold Android phones | Nov 28 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A few thoughts on OpenBSD 5.8 | Nov 28 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | msb_: no politics here please | Nov 28 13:22 |
| schestowitz | off topic | Nov 28 13:22 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: What exactly do you mean by "politics"? Do you think your struggle with EPO and the ultra-wealthy corporations using it to suppress and rob the people of the world is not "politics" ? | Nov 28 14:28 |
| msb_ | I just pointed out that the same suppression of journalists by government force that you are talking about regarding yourself, is big news right now in another context. | Nov 28 14:30 |
| MinceR | i don't see the connection between the EPO and putin's propaganda machine | Nov 28 14:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: What I mentioned had nothing to do with Putin. Putin is your personal obsession, a mental illness. | Nov 28 14:32 |
| MinceR | you keep spamming this channel with bullshit from RT, not anyone else | Nov 28 14:38 |
| MinceR | and you project your obsession with putler to me | Nov 28 14:38 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Are you claiming that Turkey's suppression of journalists is "bullshit"? | Nov 28 14:39 |
| msb_ | And it's you who mentioned Putin, not me. | Nov 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | i don't have enough information to know that, since your alleged source is full of shit | Nov 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | you are the one who advertises putin and RT regularly | Nov 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | you're the one who regularly advertises dictators here | Nov 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | and dictatorships | Nov 28 14:41 |
| msb_ | I may post some information from RT once every several days. As I have said in exposing your LIES many times before, I do not favor any dictators or dictatorships. MINCER: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! | Nov 28 14:42 |
| MinceR | stop spamming this channel with putin's propaganda | Nov 28 14:43 |
| msb_ | Posting once every several days is not "spamming". | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | it is off topic. | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | go found #iloveputin and spam there instead. | Nov 28 14:43 |
| msb_ | The suppression of journalists in Turkey has nothing to do with Putin. | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | RT has everything to do with putler | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | and what that russian plane did in turkey is also far from an isolated incident | Nov 28 14:44 |
| MinceR | they regularly do this to all sorts of countries | Nov 28 14:44 |
| msb_ | http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/middleeast/turkish-journalists-arrested/ | Nov 28 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | Turkish journalists arrested on charges of espionage - CNN.com | Nov 28 14:45 | |
| msb_ | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/28/us-turkey-europe-press-migrants-idUSKBN0TH09220151128 | Nov 28 14:46 |
| MinceR | see, that's a lot less disreputable | Nov 28 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com | Detained journalists urge EU not to compromise with Turkey over human rights | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/obrwo ] | Nov 28 14:46 | |
| msb_ | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/27/turkish-journalists-charged-over-claim-that-secret-services-armed-syrian-rebels | Nov 28 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Turkish journalists charged over claim that secret services armed Syrian rebels | World news | The Guardian | Nov 28 14:48 | |
| MinceR | still, i don't see what this has to do with techrights | Nov 28 14:48 |
| msb_ | There is no reason to think that the Russian plane "did" anything in Turkey. | Nov 28 14:49 |
| msb_ | Those three sources say the same thing that RT does. RT is accurate. | Nov 28 14:49 |
| MinceR | RT is unreliable, especially in this case | Nov 28 14:50 |
| MinceR | RT always says what putin wants you to believe | Nov 28 14:50 |
| MinceR | and what the russian plane did was violation of turkish airspace | Nov 28 14:50 |
| msb_ | As I said (to schestowitz), "I just pointed out that the same suppression of journalists by government force that you are talking about regarding yourself, is big news right now in another context. | Nov 28 14:52 |
| MinceR | that's an enormous stretch | Nov 28 14:52 |
| msb_ | Only in your mind which is totally warped about Putin. This had nothing to do with Putin. | Nov 28 14:53 |
| msb_ | You keep spamming this channel about Putin, calling him "putler", etc. | Nov 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | yes, RT is totally independent and has nothing to do with putin | Nov 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | and has no reason to lie about turkey | Nov 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | right? | Nov 28 14:54 |
| msb_ | I just gave 3 examples of Western media saying the exact same thing about Turkey that RT is saying, thus proving that RT is not lying, but that YOU ARE. | Nov 28 14:56 |
| MinceR | doesn't prove that the RT can be relied upon on the subject of turkey | Nov 28 14:56 |
| MinceR | and as such, your link to rt was useless spam | Nov 28 14:56 |
| msb_ | MinceR: So you are saying that a news report that I proved is accurate is "useless spam". And you have given no evidence whatsoever that RT has put out any inaccurate information about Turkey. Your statements are irrational and insane. | Nov 28 15:07 |
| MinceR | i've provided plenty of evidence about RT lying before | Nov 28 15:09 |
| MinceR | also about RT being controlled by putin | Nov 28 15:09 |
| msb_ | But when asked about it you will not repeat it. | Nov 28 15:09 |
| MinceR | and i haven't seen you deny that russia has no interest in trying to show turkey in a negative light | Nov 28 15:09 |
| MinceR | s/no // | Nov 28 15:09 |
| msb_ | Turkey is arming and financing the Islamic head-choppers in Syria, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. That actually IS extremely negative, no matter who shows it. | Nov 28 15:11 |
| msb_ | Or are you in favor of the Islamic head-choppers? | Nov 28 15:12 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 28 15:12 |
| MinceR | but that doesn't mean i have to be in favor of putin | Nov 28 15:12 |
| MinceR | many people seem to be having trouble grasping the fact that if two dictatorships are opposed to one another, that doesn't automatically make one of them good | Nov 28 15:13 |
| msb_ | I have never said that everything Putin has done is good. I have said that his heavy bombings of murderous jihadists in Syria is good. Because their goal is to turn Syria into a psychopathic woman-suppressing head-chopping clit-cutting religious dictatorship like Saudi Arabia. | Nov 28 15:19 |
| msb_ | That would be far worse than any "dictatorship" done by Putin in Russia. | Nov 28 15:21 |
| MinceR | does that justify the dictatorship in russia? | Nov 28 15:21 |
| msb_ | Putin gets elected. Your claims of "dictatorship in russia" would have to be examined in detail to determine the _degree_ of authoritarianism there, and compare them with the same in other places like the US, UK and EU. | Nov 28 15:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, via election fraud | Nov 28 15:26 |
| MinceR | "we are the 146%" | Nov 28 15:27 |
| MinceR | http://occupywallst.org/article/we-are-the-146-russians-refuse-to-be-rooked/ | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-occupywallst.org | We are the 146% - Russians Refuse to be Rooked as 120,000 March in Moscow | OccupyWallSt.org | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/05/putin-united-russia-election | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Putin shaken by United Russia's poor election performance | World news | The Guardian | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| MinceR | http://gawker.com/5864945/putin-clings-to-victory-as-russias-voter-turnout-exceeds-146 | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com | Putin Clings to Victory as Russia's Voter Turnout Exceeds 146% | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/russian-election-protests/100206/ | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Russian Election Protests - The Atlantic | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| msb_ | Same as in the US. Between the two-party system, both of which are controlled by the ultra-wealthy, and the corporate news media, which lie about the candidates, and rigged electronic voting machines, the US _always_ ends up electing corporatist (fascist) leaders. | Nov 28 15:30 |
| MinceR | in that case, the US is better at hiding election fraud | Nov 28 15:31 |
| MinceR | also, the US still has independent/opposition media | Nov 28 15:31 |
| msb_ | Yes, the US is much better at hiding election fraud, because it uses all three methods I mentioned instead of just rigging the actual elections. | Nov 28 15:35 |
| msb_ | The US "independent/opposition media" do not appear on TV, so they are not able to educate most americans. That's because the media channels are all owned by the ultra-wealthy. | Nov 28 15:37 |
| MinceR | i thought they ran some TV channels | Nov 28 15:37 |
| msb_ | The only accurate TV network in the US is RT. | Nov 28 15:39 |
| msb_ | That's why I watch it, not for any love of Putin. | Nov 28 15:39 |
| MinceR | it's not accurate, it merely says what you want to hear | Nov 28 15:39 |
| MinceR | and yet the US government does not silence it | Nov 28 15:40 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work that way in russia. | Nov 28 15:40 |
| MinceR | (or in hungary, for that matter) | Nov 28 15:40 |
| msb_ | It says the same things that about 6 other independent non-Russian Net news services say. | Nov 28 15:41 |
| MinceR | on one particular item of news | Nov 28 15:41 |
| msb_ | On every one that I've checked. | Nov 28 15:41 |
| MinceR | that doesn't predict what they say about other things at all | Nov 28 15:41 |
| msb_ | Does Russia suppress CNN.com on the Web? | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | ask XRevan86 | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | so, everybody but RT lies on US TV while saying the same things as RT? | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | that's an interesting kind of "logic" | Nov 28 15:42 |
| msb_ | Well, look and see if you can access it. | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | i'm not in russia | Nov 28 15:43 |
| MinceR | so roskomnadzor's bans don't apply to me | Nov 28 15:43 |
| msb_ | But you are in Hungary which you claim is equally repressed. Can you access cnn.com? | Nov 28 15:44 |
| MinceR | while hungary does have the legal means, the institution and some technical means to do censorship of the web, they have not done it to the extent russia does | Nov 28 15:45 |
| MinceR | they're mostly testing the waters | Nov 28 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | Ask me what? | Nov 28 15:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: whether russia suppresses cnn.com on the web | Nov 28 15:45 |
| MinceR | cnn.com does load here | Nov 28 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: My provider doesn't follow roskomnadzor's list, and I never heard about that. | Nov 28 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | that cnn got banned | Nov 28 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | all that "registry of forbidden sites" crap didn't go that far | Nov 28 15:47 |
| msb_ | It didn't. Mincer was saying that Russia is a censoring dictatorship, so I asked him if he could receive cnn.com | Nov 28 15:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR wrote, claiming to quote me: "so, everybody but RT lies on US TV while saying the same things as RT? that's an interesting kind of 'logic'" | Nov 28 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: It is a bad tendency towards that. | Nov 28 15:50 |
| MinceR | 163910 < msb_> The only accurate TV network in the US is RT. | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | 164114 < msb_> It says the same things that about 6 other independent non-Russian Net news services say. | Nov 28 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | Alternative media in Russian Internet exist and are not planning to go away. | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | no contradictions here. no sir! | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: depends on whose plans we're talking about :> | Nov 28 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: hmm? | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | 165124 < XRevan86> Alternative media in Russian Internet exist and are not planning to go away. (emphasis mine) | Nov 28 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | * and is | Nov 28 15:52 |
| msb_ | Of course I never said any such thing. I said that RT is the only accurate TV network in the US, which means that it tells the truth all of the time. It says the same things as 6 other _alternative_ Web news sources that I access, like Global Research, Free Critical Thinking, Paul Craig Roberts, etc. It does _not_ always say the same things as the other US TV new channels, which frequently lie. | Nov 28 15:57 |
| MinceR | the company RT keeps betrays its agenda | Nov 28 15:58 |
| msb_ | So, MinceR, you either purposely or inadvertently totally misunderstood what I said, in order to attempt to "prove" me wrong. | Nov 28 15:59 |
| MinceR | and you believe RT to be accurate because some of the time it says the same things as other TV channels | Nov 28 15:59 |
| MinceR | which you claim frequently lie | Nov 28 15:59 |
| MinceR | i can't even | Nov 28 15:59 |
| msb_ | No, the alternative news sources I believe are NOT on TV. They are on the Web. | Nov 28 15:59 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are still totally confused. | Nov 28 16:00 |
| MinceR | no, you're confused | Nov 28 16:01 |
| MinceR | by cognitive dissonance | Nov 28 16:01 |
| MinceR | you desperately want a hero, and in searching for that, you've found dictators opposed to the USA and made them your heroes | Nov 28 16:01 |
| MinceR | also, arguing that putin did nothing wrong because he was democratically elected is like arguing hitler did nothing wrong because he was democratically elected | Nov 28 16:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Keep your false, self-serving, LYING psychoanalysis to yourself. I have not made anyone my hero, except researchers like Wilhelm Reich and Riane Eisler. | Nov 28 16:03 |
| msb_ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that Putin did nothing wrong. | Nov 28 16:04 |
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| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: hi | Nov 28 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: hi | Nov 28 16:24 |
| cubexyz | it's not that the news media lie all the time, although probably there are some lies | Nov 28 16:51 |
| cubexyz | it's that the news media has an agenda, and they follow the money from advertisers | Nov 28 16:52 |
| cubexyz | so if Microsoft says "here is 10 million dollars go push windows 10" then that's what they do | Nov 28 16:52 |
| cubexyz | there is no "search for the truth" | Nov 28 16:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 recently open-sourced products from big tech companies | Tux Machines | Nov 28 17:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/Kal8A6cFtV | Nov 28 17:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 17:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine 1.8-RC2 https://t.co/JBPmjzVpSa | Nov 28 17:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 1.8-RC2 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 17:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6860788 | Nov 28 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | "“how can I prevent, my build from being broken?” watch out for Microsoft moles … just the thought wastes time and resources. Microsoft hates everyone, especially when they form a community." | Nov 28 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Indeed | Nov 28 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857524 | Nov 28 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #propaganda site #winbeta is trying to cause FOSS brain drain http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-continues-offer-open-source-professionals-positions-within-azure say no http://techrights.org/2015/10/22/all-things-open-hijacked/ | Nov 28 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Some people prefer lots of money over Free Software and freedom, just see Miguel de Icaza." | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | I heard he's gloating about it | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857682 | Nov 28 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #raspi is everywhere in the news today and this is why http://opensource.com/business/15/11/raspberry-pi-zero #vista10 can't run on such hardware | Nov 28 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Looks like lots of fun. =)" | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | "#Fu*k Window$ :)" | Nov 28 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They try http://techrights.org/2015/04/30/bribing-for-windows-in-devices/ | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857428 | Nov 28 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #redhat everywhere... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355892#c6 #KDE now locked into #systemd | Nov 28 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | "In Gentoo, KDE works with OpenRC too… (as far as I’m concerned)." | Nov 28 18:11 |
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| msb_ | Eleven excellent news sites. In general they are much more accurate and complete than U.S. corporate news. | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization | Nov 28 20:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Nov 28 20:20 | |
| msb_ | Russia Today http://www.rt.com/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | RT | Nov 28 20:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | Home | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and Opinion | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | TeleSUR http://www.telesurtv.net/english/index.html | Nov 28 20:21 |
| msb_ | New Eastern Outlook http://journal-neo.org/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telesurtv.net | teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/nuamj ] | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | PressTV http://presstv.ir/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| msb_ | TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-journal-neo.org | New Eastern Outlook | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-presstv.ir | PressTV | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatch | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Note that if MinceR labels a site as "Putin propaganda" that says nothing about whether the information on it is accurate or not, or whether it is more complete than the US govt sites like Voice of America, which MinceR links to. | Nov 28 20:28 |
| msb_ | "Propaganda" simply means "information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause". Given the lies and distortions of the US corporate press, simply telling the complete and accurate truth is beneficial to the Russian cause. | Nov 28 20:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Nov 28 20:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available - Phoronix | Nov 28 20:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/xcljjjNt5B | Nov 28 20:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 20:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 reasons I'm thankful for Android | Nov 28 20:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/q8Wo9dINgs (www.techrepublic.com) | Nov 28 20:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Top 5 reasons I'm thankful for Android - TechRepublic | Nov 28 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <msb_> Note that if MinceR... | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Why do you provoke/teate him? | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Share links to FOSS sites | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Let's keep focused on tech | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | anything else would only serve to dilute the channel and discourage wider participation, so you're not helping | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:28] <msb_> schestowitz: What exactly do you mean by "politics"? Do you think your struggle with EPO and the ultra-wealthy corporations using it to suppress and rob the people of the world is not "politics" ? | Nov 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | EPO deals with science and technology | Nov 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it also impacts software patents in Europe which directly affects FOSS | Nov 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I thought that was obvious | Nov 28 21:03 |
| msb_ | 1. MinceR already posted lies about "propaganda". I corrected them. 2. Science, technology, and FOSS are important because they affect _people_. This all started when I pointed out that currently other journalists like yourself were being persecuted for revealing government secret programs for robbing and harming people. | Nov 28 21:09 |
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| msb_ | When government agencies (like the EPO) are secretly doing things (like allowing swpats) whose purpose is to constrain and rob people in order to benefit the ultra-wealthy few, if that isn't politics I don't know what is. | Nov 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarchAgainstM/status/670712030307983360 | Nov 28 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MarchAgainstM: @schestowitz Thanks for raising awareness about #TPP, just shared your tweet on our #StopTPP aggregator https://t.co/oQsehY62ur | Nov 28 21:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tpp.intoxvs.info | #StopTPP | Nov 28 21:17 | |
| msb_ | As to FOSS sites, FOSS is pretty mature now. It does everything that people need, and would do them much better if we got rid of systemd, UEFI, and KDE4/5/Plasma. 99% of the info from FOSS sites (that we see here) is about minor improvements or version increments that are unnecessary or even harmful. What FOSS needs is to back off the "improvements" to where it was several years ago, and just USE it from there. | Nov 28 21:22 |
| msb_ | Yes, I am a 70 year old curmudgeon, and have a beard going down my neck. | Nov 28 21:24 |
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| msb_ | I have learned a lot from cubexyz! | Nov 28 21:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Nov 28 21:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Tux Machines | Nov 28 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jorgecaleya/status/670715259431329792 | Nov 28 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jorgecaleya: Y por supuesto los acuerdos de comercio globales apuestan por poner internet al servicio de las multinacionales https://t.co/GIoWJmbv6p | Nov 28 21:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP allows #Internet #censorship to favour big corporations, say Pakatan MPs https://t.co/aXG88R2JF6 https://t.co/cJEpBQjOIU @glynmoody | Nov 28 21:40 | |
| MinceR | bullshit is pouring out of msb_ as usual | Nov 28 21:41 |
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| endomorphosis | hey, is anyone home | Nov 28 23:07 |
| msb_ | I'm here. What's up? | Nov 28 23:09 |
| endomorphosis | so does tech rights see much activity lately | Nov 28 23:09 |
| endomorphosis | I've been investigating some wierd stuff these days | Nov 28 23:10 |
| endomorphosis | The co-mingling of politics and technology power players | Nov 28 23:10 |
| msb_ | 1. a couple hundred lines a day 2. Oh yeah? what | Nov 28 23:10 |
| msb_ | Like how? | Nov 28 23:11 |
| msb_ | IIRC, Bill Gates is mixed up with toxic vaccines and Monsanto. | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | well, I know that | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | more specifically, there are alot of connections between tech power players, politicians, and goldman sachs | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | but if you've heard that obama and clinton have ties to tech, its very much true | Nov 28 23:13 |
| endomorphosis | its looking like a desire to control a metaphorical central nervous system of society | Nov 28 23:13 |
| msb_ | Yep. Like crippling Linux with systemd. | Nov 28 23:14 |
| endomorphosis | yes | Nov 28 23:14 |
| endomorphosis | for example alot of the 'code of conduct' stuff is coming out of mozilla | Nov 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | We won! | Nov 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Tyson Fury. | Nov 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | 'we'=manchester | Nov 28 23:14 |
| endomorphosis | mozilla has connections to goldman, and the aol time warner deal | Nov 28 23:15 |
| endomorphosis | marc andresson who was the ceo of netscape, now own substantial shares of twitter, facebook, tumblr, reddit, etc | Nov 28 23:15 |
| endomorphosis | other interesting players are mitch kapor, gates, frank quattrone, etc | Nov 28 23:16 |
| msb_ | I see four attacks on Linux: systemd, UEFI, KDE4/5/Plasma+attacks on TrinityDE, and SJWs. All occurring in the same few years. | Nov 28 23:16 |
| msb_ | "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_. What is _four_ times? | Nov 28 23:17 |
| endomorphosis | yeah | Nov 28 23:17 |
| endomorphosis | its more than just linux | Nov 28 23:18 |
| endomorphosis | its a larger move towards social engineering | Nov 28 23:18 |
| endomorphosis | the sjw's are just the useful idiots, who are manipulated to that end | Nov 28 23:18 |
| endomorphosis | for example, you know the MIT license right | Nov 28 23:19 |
| msb_ | no... | Nov 28 23:19 |
| endomorphosis | the MIT trademark now has a code of conduct, which applies to its open source viral license | Nov 28 23:19 |
| endomorphosis | so if MIT revokes the trademark, then you can't *legally* remove the license, and you can't continue to use it | Nov 28 23:20 |
| msb_ | That's ex post facto. | Nov 28 23:20 |
| endomorphosis | i understand its ex post facto, but a similar thing was done with java | Nov 28 23:21 |
| msb_ | They can't renege on an agreement they've already signed. | Nov 28 23:21 |
| endomorphosis | the thing is that MIT didn't actually create the MIT license | Nov 28 23:21 |
| endomorphosis | a MIT professor articulated what is known as the MIT license, and people used it and slapped the name MIT on it | Nov 28 23:22 |
| msb_ | The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. . | Nov 28 23:23 |
| endomorphosis | agreed | Nov 28 23:23 |
| endomorphosis | but this overly broad Code of Conduct, with very ambigious terms and application, have made their way into large parts of the open source software world | Nov 28 23:24 |
| endomorphosis | even the FSF | Nov 28 23:24 |
| endomorphosis | essentially trying to exert control over something which was designed to not have central control | Nov 28 23:25 |
| msb_ | So has systemd. But the nice thing about software is that it's infinitely replicable _and_ forkable. | Nov 28 23:26 |
| endomorphosis | while true in theory, much like the 3d printing world, the patent system is first to file | Nov 28 23:26 |
| endomorphosis | so for example different groups have taken open source projects and patented their software | Nov 28 23:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 28 23:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple | Nov 28 23:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | x86 Improvements, Updated Drivers | Nov 28 23:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GfbDrX7nxw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 23:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple x86 Improvements, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Nov 28 23:27 | |
| msb_ | It's a crime to use mp3, or decode DVDs. Hasn't stopped anybody with a brain. | Nov 28 23:28 |
| msb_ | This kind of thing teaches people that govt isn't always their friend, and that sometimes they need to be outlaws. That's a _good_ thing! | Nov 28 23:29 |
| msb_ | From Babylon 5: | Nov 28 23:30 |
| msb_ | Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war... | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | but not completely. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | Delenn: The war is never completely won. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | There are always new battles to be fought | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | against the darkness. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | Only the names change. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| endomorphosis | so it looks like the investor class has found a way to essential monopolize FOSS | Nov 28 23:32 |
| msb_ | Psychopathy is everywhere. It's a very simple solution for individual survival, although very bad for species survival. | Nov 28 23:32 |
| endomorphosis | inflitrate and co-opt projects, and establish organizations to control them. | Nov 28 23:33 |
| msb_ | Seems to have been done with systemd. But Devuan and others are proceeding. | Nov 28 23:34 |
| endomorphosis | I agree that systemd is creating 'lennartix', meanwhile people are trying to push linus out | Nov 28 23:35 |
| endomorphosis | embrace, extend, extinguish | Nov 28 23:35 |
| msb_ | I don't think they'll succeed. But if they do, we'll just use his last kernel. IIRC, he's been doing this for 24 years. He deserves a rest! | Nov 28 23:36 |
| cubexyz | just do the hydra thing :) | Nov 28 23:36 |
| MinceR | we'll have to maintain it too | Nov 28 23:37 |
| cubexyz | "Hail, Hydra! Immortal Hydra! We shall never be destroyed! Cut off a limb, and two more shall take its place" | Nov 28 23:37 |
| MinceR | you can bet the fascists will look hard for secholes in it | Nov 28 23:37 |
| MinceR | and they might have already implanted some backdoors | Nov 28 23:37 |
| cubexyz | yes, you have to watch out for nasty surprises in the BIOS | Nov 28 23:38 |
| endomorphosis | i suspect thats whats happened in systemd, a black box. | Nov 28 23:38 |
| cubexyz | fortunately I have a ton of old motherboards | Nov 28 23:38 |
| endomorphosis | which controls all the input interfaces. | Nov 28 23:38 |
| endomorphosis | basically, building a moat around the kernel, tha tcant e bypassed | Nov 28 23:39 |
| MinceR | systemd was designed to be a fertile breeding ground for security holes from the ground up | Nov 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MaravillaTom/status/670747725474963456 | Nov 28 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaravillaTom: @NextBigPod @EddieHearn Lolz. Fury ducking that monopoly like https://t.co/GtYJIrJZe1 | Nov 28 23:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaravillaTom: @NextBigPod @EddieHearn Lolz. Fury ducking that monopoly like https://t.co/GtYJIrJZe1 | Nov 28 23:40 | |
| MinceR | lots of bloat to hide backdoors in | Nov 28 23:40 |
| msb_ | Here's a possible scenario: The US govt blows off a small A-bomb somewher in the US, blames it on Russia, and then kills all Linux machines that have systemd, so nobody with a brain can research it and spread the information. | Nov 28 23:41 |
| msb_ | Like _The Sum of All Fears_, a wonderful movie. | Nov 28 23:41 |
| msb_ | We know they did 9/11: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 | Nov 28 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Nov 28 23:43 | |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-meme.jpg | Nov 28 23:44 |
| msb_ | What happened to endomorphosis? 'e's buggered off. | Nov 28 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/670749323852836868 | Nov 28 23:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz All Politicians want "back doors" so they can creep about where they shouldn't be.Wether CPU or ur daily lives. My answer FOff! | Nov 28 23:45 | |
| schestowitz | hi endomorphosis | Nov 28 23:45 |
| endomorphosis | hey | Nov 28 23:45 |
| endomorphosis | sorry, wifi | Nov 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | how's it going? | Nov 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | new here | Nov 28 23:46 |
| endomorphosis | anyhow, what I've noticed is that there are a bunch of laws and groups oriented about creating regulated internet | Nov 28 23:46 |
| endomorphosis | regarding content | Nov 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | like FB? | Nov 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | With zero-rating? | Nov 28 23:47 |
| endomorphosis | well, FB and other private entities are already massaging the feeds | Nov 28 23:47 |
| endomorphosis | these orgs have direct funding coming from the goldman sachs people | Nov 28 23:47 |
| endomorphosis | but more specifically, things like content restrictions | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | france wants to outlaw conspiracy theories | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | eu right to be forgotten | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | 'cyber violence' at the UN ITU | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Safety | Nov 28 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Committee of Safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 28 23:49 | |
| endomorphosis | benjamin franklin famously said "those who trade liberty for security will deserve neither and will get none | Nov 28 23:49 |
| endomorphosis | because he was the head of a committee of safety, which was used to essentially police wrongthink | Nov 28 23:50 |
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| endomorphosis | so what seems to be a common modus operandi, is that government funds groups like ISIS, and then uses the politics of fear to institute more control. | Nov 28 23:51 |
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| endomorphosis | part of that control, requires the control of free speech, as well as electronic systems. | Nov 28 23:52 |
| msb_ | That's been going on for thousands of years! | Nov 28 23:52 |
| endomorphosis | agreed, and now there are alot of posthumanists hanging around these groups, who essentially see themselves as the shepherds of a 'brave new world' | Nov 28 23:54 |
| endomorphosis | manifesto.humanities.ucla.edu/2009/05/29/the-digital-humanities-manifesto-20/ | Nov 28 23:56 |
| endomorphosis | stuff like this | Nov 28 23:56 |
| msb_ | endomorphosis: Check this out. It's a first draft and needs work, but still good: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Nov 28 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS | Nov 28 23:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Tux Machines | Nov 22 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Tos6ubOy3M (www.itwire.com) | Nov 22 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Linux Australia suffers another data leak | Nov 22 13:12 | |
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| schestowitz | > x http://time.com/4121798/microsoft-lumia-950-review/ | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > "M$ Most __ Evar" formula | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > There is a hell of a lot of M$ spam in all the mainstream media the last | Nov 22 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com | Microsoft Lumia 950 Windows 10 Phone Review | Nov 22 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | > few days. | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | yes, I think that the best approach is to ignore these. I'm too busy with urgent EPO things to rebut Microsoft crap at the moment, unless it's something severe and anti-Linux. | Nov 22 13:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422378410541056 https://twitter.com/gopdebates/status/668422379412963329 | Nov 22 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Dr. Roy Schestowitz @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fio... https://t.co/HryVAy6nl7 #GOP | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQa | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gopdebates: Privacy Now! @All4Privacy: RT @schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (... https://t.co/cM8mGnbmzl #GOP | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #gop debates centred around who is MORE subservient to #nsa (recall Fiorina) https://t.co/Dy9AhsKM0K https://t.co/UKpYCJWqQa | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by All4Privacy) | Nov 22 13:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zaurav/status/668426463985704961 | Nov 22 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zaurav: @schestowitz no it’s not. And the text that distinguishes it as an ad is place AFTER the ad so you read it like a tweet. Hoodwinking. | Nov 22 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | twitter is spammed with ads now | Nov 22 13:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeScots45/status/668426743078912000 | Nov 22 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeScots45: mass surveillance is not about catching terrorists, it's about controlling the masses with terrorism as the excuse https://t.co/sxCx54T03v | Nov 22 13:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. mass surveillance has not thwarted a single large scale terrorist attack and blame is on @Snowden https://t.co/GJ41iB3B4a | Nov 22 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433074338865152 https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668433647641456640 | Nov 22 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz "...has a duty of care... must protect our employees, independently of... status." In some country this is "faccia di merda". | Nov 22 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @ghabuntu @schestowitz apparently they don't know that there are other "families" in the world. Good ones, forget about it... | Nov 22 14:21 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668439784919015424 | Nov 22 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz we need status net back! | Nov 22 14:45 | |
| schestowitz | indeed, but well overdue, there's gnu social | Nov 22 14:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440468280238080 | Nov 22 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz gnud point ;0) | Nov 22 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668440652582141952 | Nov 22 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz That was a very poor pun. Nude point? Good point! | Nov 22 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668444864011304960 | Nov 22 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7p | Nov 22 15:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Might want to rethink that tweet. https://t.co/hG5lsT2O7p | Nov 22 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks for enlightening me | Nov 22 15:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445264194048000 | Nov 22 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz no problem; I enjoy your work. | Nov 22 15:05 | |
| schestowitz | Was it IRA? Which year? | Nov 22 15:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668445721465520128 | Nov 22 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz that was al-Qaeda, same day as the subway attacks, which overshadowed it, IIRC | Nov 22 15:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/november/lin-anonymous-isis-111815.html http://www.businessinsider.com.au/anonymous-war-isis-gripes-2015-11 | Nov 22 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.stanford.edu | Stanford cybersecurity expert Herb Lin analyzes Anonymous' hacking attacks on ISIS [ http://ur1.ca/ob37p ] | Nov 22 15:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com.au | Some Anonymous members are complaining about the 'war' on ISIS | Business Insider | Nov 22 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/668450089355059200 | Nov 22 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pinguinpatje: We don't need Fox, we have "our" government... https://t.co/50lnt0b87o | Nov 22 15:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #newscorp Fox 'news' uses #parisAttacks to promote radical right wingers https://t.co/sayKoMSF3U | Nov 22 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/668450300819316737 | Nov 22 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz IRA? Al-Qaeda? | Nov 22 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | yes, someone pointed this out to me | Nov 22 15:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668451897330667520 | Nov 22 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz Also, with due respect (as I share your distaste for pervasive 'domestic' surveillance, and favor freedom of information)... | Nov 22 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256 | Nov 22 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz ... there is considerable evidence of IRGC/Hezbollah presence in SA, including their involvement in the attack on the Israeli.. | Nov 22 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/668452206371168256 | Nov 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Argentina is said to have that, as well as many 'good' or 'reformed' Nazis http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thehistoryofargentina/a/Why-Did-Argentina-Accept-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-World-War-Two.htm | Nov 22 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latinamericanhistory.about.com | Why Did Argentina Accept Nazi War Criminals After WWII? | Nov 22 15:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Tux Machines | Nov 22 16:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x | Nov 22 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Nov 22 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets the Latest BlueZ 5.x Stack for Better Bluetooth Support | Tux Machines | Nov 22 16:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ODF - the state of play - The future of ODF | Nov 22 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by under OASIS, now that the standards war is won. | Nov 22 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @speedytux https://t.co/BECRu2vTvQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 18:49 |
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| cubexyz | interesting points about Unix v6: | Nov 22 19:50 |
| cubexyz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060616172103795 | Nov 22 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - UNIX Methods and Concepts: Putting the Genie Back in the Bottle, by Salus & Toomey | Nov 22 19:50 | |
| cubexyz | there's another interesting story there... | Nov 22 19:58 |
| cubexyz | everything up to v7 is totally out in the open | Nov 22 19:58 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @JimmyCoyoteLoco followed @tuxmachines | Nov 22 19:58 | |
| cubexyz | but v8, v9 and v10 is not | Nov 22 19:58 |
| cubexyz | I have no idea why not, but it's not | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Three Cool Features Nice to Have When | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n58vLIKFQM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Tux Machines | Nov 22 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Nov 22 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BiM6xTNqkQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Radio Drives Oscilloscope | Tux Machines | Nov 22 19:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 22 20:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other | Nov 22 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Releases https://t.co/sGICbM3De3 | Nov 22 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 20:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ArchEX Build 151117 Has Been Released, Other New Releases | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME, KDE Leftovers https://t.co/mntIBQUobS | Nov 22 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 20:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME, KDE Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 22 20:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting...' | Nov 22 20:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week...' | Nov 22 21:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 22 21:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 22 21:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Nov 22 21:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EyneE360ib (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 22 21:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob48p | Nov 22 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Tux Machines | Nov 22 21:07 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: thanks for the memory of groklaw | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | no chance of it coming back, I guess | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | webbink ran it for a while | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | he's with red hat now | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's partner standstill buddies | Nov 22 22:28 |
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| msb__ | Groklaw is still there, it just hasn't been updated in two years. | Nov 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Nov 22 22:43 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: But your sites have pretty much taken over the same function (and more). | Nov 22 22:43 |
| msb__ | Perhaps microshit has learned to hide and shred more effectively than they did before (e.g., the Comes case). | Nov 22 22:46 |
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| oiaohm | I would not say Microsoft has got better at hidding the facts. | Nov 22 22:51 |
| MinceR | people have gotten worse at caring, though | Nov 22 22:52 |
| MinceR | i didn't see a lot of outrage about the botnettier, spywarey-er vista10 | Nov 22 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Not that either. If people cared about security XP would not have sold. | Nov 22 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Since Windows 10 screw up lot of governement have annonced plans to migrate to open source. | Nov 22 22:55 |
| oiaohm | So there has been some document evidence of outrage. | Nov 22 22:56 |
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| cubexyz | if what I see on the Microsoft forums is any indication people are definitely jumping ship | Nov 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | employees too | Nov 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | if they can | Nov 23 00:02 |
| MinceR | and crApple made closed, dumbed-down systems hip | Nov 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | unless they get fired, too | Nov 23 00:03 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks, apple stuff, bsd, linux, etc | Nov 23 00:03 |
| cubexyz | yes, well lots of room for improvement still :) | Nov 23 00:03 |
| MinceR | and humanity is making some more room for improvement | Nov 23 00:03 |
| MinceR | by making things worse | Nov 23 00:03 |
| cubexyz | even the console folks are complaining about Microsoft | Nov 23 00:04 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Psychopathy is part of the human genome. New psychopathic individuals, organizations, and actions will always spring up. From Babylon 5: | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war... | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | but not completely. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | Delenn: The war is never completely won. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | There are always new battles to be fought | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | against the darkness. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| msb__ | Only the names change. | Nov 23 00:14 |
| MinceR | "I cast Magic Missile at the darkness!" | Nov 23 00:14 |
| MinceR | once humanity exterminates itself, it will no longer be able to fight wars, though | Nov 23 00:15 |
| msb__ | That's your paranoid fantasy. It's not going to happen. | Nov 23 00:15 |
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| msb__ | FOSS _is_ a Magic Missile -- no mass, no cost, infinitely replicable, available to everyone. We're onto a good thing here! | Nov 23 00:19 |
| MinceR | Magic Missiles can only be targeted at creatures, not "the darkness" | Nov 23 00:21 |
| msb__ | I'm not familiar with whatever game you're talking about. I was referring to the general concept. The attack that could come closest to extermination might be an engineered biowar virus. But some people will still be immune, and if you keep a few pounds of Vitamin C around, you will probably be able to beat it. | Nov 23 00:24 |
| MinceR | http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magicMissile.htm | Nov 23 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.d20srd.org | Magic Missile :: d20srd.org | Nov 23 00:26 | |
| msb__ | Basically, Magick is accomlishing things simply by being in a conscious frame of mind, and speaking particular words. That describes FOSS! | Nov 23 00:31 |
| msb__ | The words are the source code. | Nov 23 00:32 |
| msb__ | It's very powerful. We just have to keep it under control to avoid things like Skynet or the Krell machine. | Nov 23 00:33 |
| msb__ | Or nanotech grey goo. | Nov 23 00:34 |
| msb__ | Or Colossus the Forbin Project. This is where sci-fi is very important. There has been a lot of thought put into these things. Asimov wrote a whole book of stories about robots that found ways to circumvent his Three Laws. | Nov 23 00:38 |
| msb__ | Rule #1: Do NOT put nuclear weapons under control by autonomous AIs. | Nov 23 00:41 |
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| msb__ | Good Lord! Colossus had discrete transistor electronics and used punched paper tape! | Nov 23 01:00 |
| msb__ | Rule #2: Do not let locatedb run if some of your disks aren't mounted. | Nov 23 01:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Nov 23 01:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mO87Gi3L1H (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 01:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 20th Anniversary, The GIMP! | Tux Machines | Nov 23 01:02 | |
| msb__ | Oh, and Nixie tubes! | Nov 23 01:03 |
| msb__ | Rule #3: If a computer has Nixie tube readouts, don't think it's too stupid to be dangerous. Somebody had a lot of money to throw around. | Nov 23 01:05 |
| msb__ | Rule #4: Don't give good software negative names like "The GIMP". | Nov 23 01:07 |
| msb__ | ...You could piss it off and it could turn against you. | Nov 23 01:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 01:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Three Cool Features Nice to Have When | Nov 23 01:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 23 01:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/53IBhLfhw1 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 01:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Three Cool Features Nice to Have When Connecting an Ubuntu Phone to Ubuntu Desktop | Nov 23 01:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some Android users face quandry with USB-C | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VLQmiQSNaS (www.usatoday.com) | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob5ut | Nov 23 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Some Android users face quandry with USB-C | Nov 23 01:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "But a task often involves launching several | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | applications." https://t.co/liLfm2MmQ4 | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blogs.gnome.org) | Nov 23 01:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/swilmet/2015/11/22/task-oriented-desktop-and-applications/ ) | Nov 23 01:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Apps and tools every Android power user should | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have on their device #3 https://t.co/fkY3lu48qt | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Nov 23 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob5uv | Nov 23 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Apps and tools every Android power user should have on their device #3 | Nov 23 01:25 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 23 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rcZTcpmQ4u (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus and Budgie Next Got Updated This Week | Nov 23 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available for | Nov 23 09:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux in Steam Early Access | Nov 23 09:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3dLDKEICDF (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 23 09:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Steampunk puzzler Steamroll available for SteamOS & Linux in Steam Early Access | GamingOnLinux | Nov 23 09:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sheltered, survive the apocalypse in this | Nov 23 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | disaster management game on SteamOS & Linux | Nov 23 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o2luR81JgK (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 23 09:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Sheltered, survive the apocalypse in this disaster management game on SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 23 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onFBpLjce-Q | Nov 23 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Benoît Battistelli on Patent Trolls - YouTube | Nov 23 10:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @eq_crowdfunding favourited 'How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last...' | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rally 5.63% https://t.co/tS48BfXNiU | Nov 23 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.americantradejournal.com | Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) Rally 5.63% | American Trade Journal | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Yp2RYsIOcM (www.tecmint.com) | Nov 23 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | 5 Things I Dislike and Love About GNU/Linux | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 | Nov 23 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YKAwS8n2s6 | Nov 23 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Linux Lite 2.6 « Everyday Linux User | Nov 23 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship | Nov 23 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone to go for https://t.co/8CTM3nCJwL | Nov 23 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for | Tux Machines | Nov 23 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Nov 23 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/97gaLtrFf8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Tux Machines | Nov 23 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, | Nov 23 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zYSDmgAyP5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ob9vp | Nov 23 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Tux Machines | Nov 23 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448273411936 | Nov 23 11:01 |
| schestowitz | " It is never a good idea to post something anonymously, even under the present circumstances, because it can be easily disregarded. The President has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities, so the only remedy is to use one's own name, which I intend to do. After all it is not bringing the Office into disrepute, it is simply expressing concern, and it is an internal communication to one's own AC member | Nov 23 11:01 |
| schestowitz | so I fail to see how it could give rise to any disciplinary measure. Anyway, if enough people do it there is safety in numbers." | Nov 23 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September | Nov 23 11:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dtYeQVuzip (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba19 | Nov 23 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4-rc2 https://t.co/nf0mzSvE87 | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1b | Nov 23 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.4-rc2 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Vienna is Probably the Name of | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | BlackBerry’s Second https://t.co/6RzgMGFTc2 | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (neurogadget.com) | Nov 23 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1e | Nov 23 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com | BlackBerry Vienna is Probably the Name of BlackBerry’s Second Android Smartphone - Neurogadget.com | Nov 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4-rc2 https://t.co/ntwpYeLvFZ | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1r | Nov 23 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.4-rc2 | Nov 23 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Fedora 24 Linux https://t.co/fOl67yrRLV | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1s | Nov 23 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split for Fedora 24 Linux | Nov 23 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Most Widgets to CSS Nodes | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BS4sYjjnGy (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1t | Nov 23 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port Most Widgets to CSS Nodes | Nov 23 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sUWSyx8zvO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1u | Nov 23 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6eSttFyDNV (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba1w | Nov 23 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qdolUIiX42 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/668755955417399296 | Nov 23 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Nov 23 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gRF5uy1pYF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba29 | Nov 23 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment | Nov 23 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | forms https://t.co/fefeN1zrM8 | Nov 23 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Tux Machines | Nov 23 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship | Nov 23 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone to go for https://t.co/0YlYNGQLsI | Nov 23 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (tech.firstpost.com) | Nov 23 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba2b | Nov 23 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | Google Nexus 6P review: The Android flagship phone to go for - Tech2 | Nov 23 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668755265894903808 | Nov 23 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: Go ahead #Battistelli, show the World what you really are ! https://t.co/h62ZmZ9vnC | Nov 23 11:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #EPO President #Battistelli Now Intimidates Even National Delegations https://t.co/vYij2NtnJg https://t.co/CMIUWvePoB | Nov 23 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756071289368576 | Nov 23 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! | Nov 23 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/668756153359278080 | Nov 23 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: I Am Legion, For We Are Many ! https://t.co/bpmTKcwfph | Nov 23 11:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #epo #battistelli "has already accused the Board member of masquerading under different identities" https://t.co/7b6QlG7X2W | Nov 23 11:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rnOLcJ89cH (fossforce.com) | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba35 | Nov 23 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | The Devil & BSD: Leaving Linux Behind | FOSS Force | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9Lw9zSbf3L (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba36 | Nov 23 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest AMD GPUs | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QTY9araawi (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Clean Your PCs of Viruses | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Around the world with Fedora Planet | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7tj2yj4JG0 | Nov 23 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Nov 23 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/around-world-fedora-planet/ ) | Nov 23 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta, Designed for Containerized Apps | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oChKVISsCb (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba3i | Nov 23 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in Beta, Designed for Containerized Apps | Nov 23 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ultimate Pro Audio Distro | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RY5TciB2nm (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba3j | Nov 23 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the Ultimate Pro Audio Distro | Nov 23 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DgLAWRk3YO (dnf.baseurl.org) | Nov 23 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba3k | Nov 23 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | Fedora user/admin guides are up-to-date for DNF | DNF | Nov 23 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KXzG17e14N (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba4d | Nov 23 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3, Cinnamon 2.8, and GNOME 3.18.2 | Nov 23 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8JYfMLIz07 (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba4e | Nov 23 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 LTS | Nov 23 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AqpyGvIAaC | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.martin-graesslin.com) | Nov 23 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oba4f | Nov 23 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com | Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland | Martin's Blog | Nov 23 12:05 | |
| *ariendj (~quassel@ip-178-200-61-78.hsi07.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #techrights | Nov 23 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/668762489065250817 | Nov 23 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Do you have any information about Astra-Linux and AltLinux? | Nov 23 12:09 | |
| schestowitz | Not recent | Nov 23 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6844510 | Nov 23 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Proprietary software described as "safe" http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/truecrypt-is-safer-than-previously-reported-detailed-analysis-concludes/ but you cannot quite check the code to verify this | Nov 23 12:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | TrueCrypt is safer than previously reported, detailed analysis concludes | Ars Technica | Nov 23 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | "Fraunhofer Institute just sullied their reputation by endorsing non free software for it’s least fit purpose. Might as well endorse patent medicine." | Nov 23 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "Much more interesting, whats about Vera-Crypt?" | Nov 23 12:18 |
| *XRevan86 (~XRevan86@meowr.ru) has joined #techrights | Nov 23 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6841067 | Nov 23 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Promoting #freespeech and #freesw is ""harming state security" in #syria apparently... punishment? Death. http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2015/11/13/urgent-reports-.html | Nov 23 12:19 | |
| schestowitz | "This article is pretty comprehensive and has links to sources. http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/46265 No mention of “harming state security” but that seems like a minor detail. | Nov 23 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joi.ito.com | Urgent: Reports that Bassel Khartabil has been sentenced to death - Joi Ito's Web | Nov 23 12:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative Commons | Nov 23 12:19 | |
| schestowitz | I will try to keep an eye open for any updates on this... at first I just assumed these reports mean he's likely already dead. | Nov 23 12:20 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/ part of the truecrypt audit group is to fix the license problems. | Nov 23 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-istruecryptauditedyet.com | Is TrueCrypt Audited Yet? | Nov 23 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they need to show the source | Nov 23 12:24 |
| schestowitz | not make secret audits | Nov 23 12:24 |
| schestowitz | (IMHO) | Nov 23 12:24 |
| oiaohm | 7.1a source code is on github. | Nov 23 12:24 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/AuditProject | Nov 23 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | AuditProject (OpenCryptoAudit.org) · GitHub | Nov 23 12:27 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/TrueCrypt_Phase_II_NCC_OCAP_final.pdf the report on what they found. | Nov 23 12:27 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so its not a secret audit. | Nov 23 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Now checking the source and fixing licensing faults before the flaws in truecrypt can truly be fixed. | Nov 23 12:28 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: even so the final report on truecrypt 7.1a is was highly interesting. | Nov 23 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment | Nov 23 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | forms https://t.co/d6DkdL1tfr | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (joinup.ec.europa.eu) | Nov 23 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source powers South Tyrol eGovernment forms | Joinup | Nov 23 13:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default https://t.co/TSJ3TYRHt5 | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 23 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Nov 23 13:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Spiraling head first into open source | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OAEMnjJvGf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaad | Nov 23 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Spiraling head first into open source | Tux Machines | Nov 23 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | > "Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups" | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | > Little fascists... | Nov 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | yes, saw that yesterday. The censors are winning by indoctrination, as they do with surveillance and copyright. | Nov 23 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pewresearch.org | 40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities | Pew Research Center | Nov 23 13:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6845764 | Nov 23 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-now-comes-with-a-twitter-scope-by-default-496564.shtml | Nov 23 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Auch deswegen meide ich Ubuntu." | Nov 23 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xTyO0HzWWQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obael | Nov 23 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good Guy Nvidia Updates Linux Drivers for Old GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 Series | Tux Machines | Nov 23 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default https://t.co/zTvb1Nc2mF | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaen | Nov 23 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Now Comes with a Twitter Scope by Default | Tux Machines | Nov 23 13:49 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks followed @tuxmachines | Nov 23 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gotta Badge ‘Em All: Introduction to Fedora | Nov 23 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Badges https://t.co/xL1hTOoolq | Nov 23 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.justinwflory.com) | Nov 23 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaex | Nov 23 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ http://blog.justinwflory.com/2015/11/gotta-badge-em-introduction-fedora-badges/ ) | Nov 23 13:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Body Computing System continuations | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EpH7w8nkP5 (whatthefuck.computer) | Nov 23 13:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whatthefuck.computer | Body Computing System continuations - Computer :( | Nov 23 13:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenStack Liberty and Debian | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rhDTbFAydT (thomas.goirand.fr) | Nov 23 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obaf4 | Nov 23 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomas.goirand.fr | OpenStack Liberty and Debian – Zigo's blog | Nov 23 13:56 | |
| *XRevan86 (~XRevan86@meowr.ru) has left #techrights | Nov 23 14:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone | Nov 23 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With 3GB RAM Launched https://t.co/vBRQ27jHOZ | Nov 23 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Nov 23 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Samsung W2016 Dual-Display Android Flip Phone With 3GB RAM Launched | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/dQmKJbR9o9 | Nov 23 14:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 14:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Fedora Developers Discuss systemd Package Split for Fedora...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GTK+ 3.20 to Feature Massive CSS Changes, Port...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3,...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'CRUX 3.2 Distro Officially Released with GCC 5.2.0...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Open-Source AMDGPU Linux Driver Released, Supports the Latest...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Antivirus Live CD 15.0-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to...' | Nov 23 14:31 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Red Hat Container Development Kit 2 Now in...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Puppy Linux-Based Studio 13.37 Aims to Be the...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings KDE Plasma 5.4.3,...' | Nov 23 14:32 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 23 17:53 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 23 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/668837423879749632 | Nov 23 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz lol Damn it Jim, I'm a user, not a consumer | Nov 23 17:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Nov 23 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EargOEnzeD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obbjd | Nov 23 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Gnome 3 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Nov 23 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rVa2EpA0aB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 20:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obbjg | Nov 23 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Use Cases for Linux Virtual Desktops | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Users https://t.co/dutwcmkKkP | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obbjj | Nov 23 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23: An Impressive Release for Advanced Linux Users | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/qZkXPjLdtv | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 23 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obbjm | Nov 23 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 | Tux Machines | Nov 23 20:03 | |
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| XRevan86 | http://cronostech.no-ip.org/posts/257474 | Nov 23 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cronostech.no-ip.org | If You’re So Smar... | Nov 23 21:50 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/668920186028875776 | Nov 23 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz Great desktop environment. | Nov 23 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/668921853520515072 | Nov 23 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/8UZQ5Sk0P1 | Nov 23 22:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@heiseonline: Europäisches Patentamt setzt Gewerkschaftsspitze vor die Tür https://t.co/i9phRvHXNp | Nov 23 22:46 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/UbuntuTopNews/status/668936703113990147 | Nov 23 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXS | Nov 23 23:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gettopical.com | Topical | Nov 23 23:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UbuntuTopNews: Ubuntu Desktop Lead Finds Out About a Nice Trick in Unity 7 https://t.co/Iu1EdvtBXt via @schestowitz https://t.co/1ioUmZksXS | Nov 23 23:41 | |
| msb__ | https://www.rt.com/shows/documentary/313429-internet-hacker-fbi-corporations/ | Nov 23 23:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | The hacker wars RT — Documentary [ http://ur1.ca/obc90 ] | Nov 23 23:45 | |
| MinceR | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html | Nov 23 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | hacker | Nov 23 23:48 | |
| msb__ | Yes, MinceR, we know. | Nov 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/668945402390016004 | Nov 24 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz It's fun to pick and choose which "facts" we verify. | Nov 24 00:18 | |
| msb__ | RT just ran a story about a referendum in Ohio to legalize Cannabis. Reliable polls showed it passing by 53%, but the electronic voting machines were observed switching votes and it lost by a 2 to 1 ratio. | Nov 24 00:31 |
| msb__ | The rulers know that psychedelics help people see through the rulers' lies. | Nov 24 00:32 |
| MinceR | sounds like not only the usa needs them, then | Nov 24 00:33 |
| msb__ | Sure, all the Western governments that are US allies, and all the people robotized by Islam. | Nov 24 00:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/668950629373603840 | Nov 24 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway https://t.co/GWBO2E3wKq | Nov 24 00:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP Article 14.17 & Free Software: No Harm, No Foul https://t.co/9PwzVIIKxJ #freesw cc @glynmoody | Nov 24 00:35 | |
| MinceR | sure, only those have lying rulers | Nov 24 00:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/668951464639913984 | Nov 24 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Ho ho ho :D | Nov 24 00:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/668953862934544384 | Nov 24 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Happy Birthday, #GIMP!!! #freesw #opensource https://t.co/QhwrmdofxU | Nov 24 00:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GIMP , the free open source Photoshop alternative, turns 20 https://t.co/1wJKVQV76U https://t.co/4CZ7SX1iQy great #freesw | Nov 24 00:54 | |
| MinceR | http://cheezburger.com/8587952384/study-of-the-day-pew-research-shows-40-percent-of-millennials-would-censor-offensive-speech | Nov 24 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cheezburger.com | Study of The Day: Pew Research Shows 40 Percent of Millennials Would Censor Offensive Speech - Cheezburger | Nov 24 01:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second | Nov 24 02:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Linux 4.4 RC https://t.co/R9d5yxhyO7 | Nov 24 02:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @The_Code_Shirts (techrights.org) | Nov 24 02:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obejy | Nov 24 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/11/2015: Asus Chromebit CS10, Second Linux 4.4 RC | Techrights | Nov 24 02:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Netrunner 17 released https://t.co/i18q6eHbpb | Nov 24 02:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 02:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obek1 | Nov 24 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Netrunner 17 released | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/34oAVo6jFB | Nov 24 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obekd | Nov 24 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux: Kernel, Graphics https://t.co/8ZpnnT1GLS | Nov 24 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obekg | Nov 24 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/oQiwGTdRym | Nov 24 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obelm | Nov 24 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 24 02:24 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 24 09:17 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 24 09:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic | Nov 24 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | survival game being given away for Linux | Nov 24 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LkaKDBqckj (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obhti | Nov 24 10:27 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game...' | Nov 24 10:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Thea: The Awakening, a turned-based strategic survival game being given away for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 10:27 | |
| cubexyz | it's stupid criminalizing smoking a plant | Nov 24 10:36 |
| cubexyz | personally I think smoking isn't a good idea for health reasons but criminalizing more and more things just leads to social strife | Nov 24 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KJ2UpxGzLd (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obhun | Nov 24 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Epistory - Typing Chronicles, an atmospheric action/adventure game now on Linux & big update | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS recently? https://t.co/deuYc0wE8s | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obhuo | Nov 24 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | GOL Asks: What have you been playing on Linux & SteamOS recently? | GamingOnLinux | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Impaired Users https://t.co/CA13yFYj6t | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obhup | Nov 24 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Vinux Enhances Productivity for Visually Impaired Users | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a ‘Thank You’ | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/alRIfBMRQK (fossforce.com) | Nov 24 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obhuq | Nov 24 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | FOSS Powered Learning Center Name a 'Thank You' | FOSS Force | Nov 24 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Help Fedora test Wayland! | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ETq031Wc1W (fedoramagazine.org) | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obi26 | Nov 24 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://fedoramagazine.org/help-fedora-test-wayland/ ) | Nov 24 11:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chapeau 23, Here's How https://t.co/PITm1BnfDc | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 11:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to Chapeau 23, Here's How | Nov 24 11:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network | Nov 24 11:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Cyber Perils https://t.co/DkGH0plcvi | Nov 24 11:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billsinsider.com | The Pebble that Can Protect Your Home Network From Cyber Perils | Nov 24 11:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tumbleweed install for November | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6Qd84DwGFn | Nov 24 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Tumbleweed install for November | Thoughts on computing | Nov 24 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bullet https://t.co/gif6MJeauM | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.dedoimedo.com) | Nov 24 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Nov 24 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Nov 24 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GLBmIoOj5f (distrowatch.com) | Nov 24 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Nov 24 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on | Nov 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LXLE https://t.co/G5TCe3snj7 | Nov 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thelinuxexperiment.com) | Nov 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obi72 | Nov 24 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelinuxexperiment.com | Distro hopping: feeling good with my time on LXLE | The Linux Experiment | Nov 24 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RoHKOaTSGa | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxblog.darkduck.com) | Nov 24 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt - Linux notes from DarkDuck | Nov 24 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | East's open source development community | Nov 24 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sJiniBl4XF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Drupal Hub to spur on the growth of North East's open source development community | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6846891 | Nov 24 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights down for 1.5 hours today not because of many readers but because of MASSIVE number of cracking attempts | Nov 24 11:55 | |
| schestowitz | "Yea..." | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BIfI5ioZe5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bullet https://t.co/YpDYNo928z | Nov 24 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6847875 | Nov 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | I was a bit hasty to speak about it, seem v0.2.0 should be out around February 2016, but they are likely to have a repo for it then since it should become BodhiLinux default desktop. Right now it’s in GitHub and the Enlightenment bits are not purged yet. | Nov 24 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Should I pm you about it? I will likely try it anyway | Nov 24 11:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Not a silver bullet | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Installing #enlightenment as I have grown tired after 7 months of endless frustration with #kf5 - #plasma5 just not ready. #kde | Nov 24 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | For now I've quit trying Enlightenment because it didn't neatly support my dual head of even get my screen res right... | Nov 24 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Nov 24 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XsLA4CiMcE (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 11:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NixOS 15.09 and the Nix package manager | Tux Machines | Nov 24 11:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Nov 24 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/P4Hu2kVtGO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sabayon 15.11 KDE: hot, hotter and burnt | Tux Machines | Nov 24 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux | Nov 24 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/aaboenpy1p (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 24 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Radeon Crimson Driver to Bring Linux Performance Improvements of Over 100% | Nov 24 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/6I9AYfVngd | Nov 24 12:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webconverger.org | Webconverger 33 release | Nov 24 12:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to | Nov 24 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Compare Supercomputers https://t.co/0KzEJERFCy | Nov 24 14:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insidehpc.com | New HPCG Benchmark List Goes Beyond LINPACK to Compare Supercomputers - insideHPC | Nov 24 14:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Chapeau 22 Linux Users Can Now Upgrade to...' | Nov 24 14:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6849693 | Nov 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Good luck with that proceeding!" | Nov 24 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Keep it up! Good luck, and if I recall correctly, isn’t the same EPO who deliver software patent (not applying a technical innovation) despite those not being legal?" | Nov 24 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #epo attempts to silence me with #slapp http://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-threatens-defamatory-blogger-with-legal-action-9243 the latest modus operandi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP | Nov 24 14:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.worldipreview.com | EPO threatens ‘defamatory’ blogger with legal action | Nov 24 14:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 24 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | yes, that was originally my issue with them... before I discovered far more severe issues. | Nov 24 14:43 |
| MinceR | http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-11-23-The-End-Of-Godwins-Law.jpg | Nov 24 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TalesAcrossTime Howl of The Wolf is out! | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vfz2t17JNQ (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines @Blushingflwr @NovaClass | Nov 24 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Howl of The Wolf | Nov 24 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jTFBAzpXLj (techcrunch.com) | Nov 24 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Launches Android Studio 2.0 With Improved Android Emulator And New Instant Run Feature | TechCrunch | Nov 24 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Marshmallow Updates https://t.co/7k6NQJs4jo | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) "on select Android One | Nov 24 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones." | Nov 24 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Google Now Rolling Out Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow Updates – But Only To Android One Phones : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 24 14:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true | Nov 24 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android PC' deliver? https://t.co/QerrN0pKh5 | Nov 24 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techrepublic.com) | Nov 24 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Jide Remix Mini: Does the 'world's first true Android PC' deliver? - TechRepublic | Nov 24 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Life of Tunir https://t.co/w8qwqj6rQG | Nov 24 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Life of Tunir | Nov 24 15:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycle | Nov 24 15:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f (people.debian.org) | Nov 24 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_30/ ) | Nov 24 15:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @TecnologiaFree retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Reproducible builds: week 30 in Stretch cycle https://t.co/0j8YxCrS3f' | Nov 24 15:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Webconverger 33 release https://t.co/xDYhh6QjR8 | Nov 24 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 15:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Webconverger 33 release | Tux Machines | Nov 24 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | WOW! | Nov 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | WIPR has just taken down the story. | Nov 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Did someone make a phonecall or send a nasty letter? | Nov 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't be shocked if BB resorted to this kind or thing... | Nov 24 15:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5 | Nov 24 16:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 16:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tecknocrat | Nov 24 16:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/669171155333353473 | Nov 24 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat favourited 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/GuLz2S73k5' | Nov 24 16:06 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/23/9784604/dell-ssl-security-problem-xps-inspiron-edellroot | Nov 24 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Two Dell laptop models are shipping with a Superfish-style certificate hack | The Verge | Nov 24 16:21 | |
| MinceR | https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html | Nov 24 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | On Hacking - Richard Stallman | Nov 24 16:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp | Nov 24 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LpzVDpUq2e | Nov 24 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-economictimes.indiatimes.com | Android One fails to make a mark despite revamp - The Economic Times | Nov 24 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK | Nov 24 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Download] https://t.co/WCY3Xz6PQQ | Nov 24 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Twitch v4.5.1 Adds Support For Android TV [APK Download] | Nov 24 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to the Apple Watch This Holiday Shopping Season -- The Motley Fool | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Last call for FLOCK 2016 bids | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jOKIYaYxgw | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/last-call-bids-for-flock-2016/ ) | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hamster rediscovered | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NesCTeSMHr (error) | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IIRVWKN6k8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source | Nov 24 18:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware Projects https://t.co/QJrmNeNRx4 | Nov 24 18:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beyond Microcontrollers: Three Cool Open Source Hardware Projects | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software | Nov 24 18:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hit https://t.co/EZofka9wLY | Nov 24 18:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Kubernetes Is an Open-Source Software Hit | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/bDzEY1smfF | Nov 24 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/DFMyrCSyc3 | Nov 24 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 24 18:07 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @anthilemoon favourited 'Here Are the Biggest Android Wear Challengers to...' | Nov 24 18:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 18:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LDfLDzwjfH (www.networkworld.com) | Nov 24 18:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | What would the perfect Linux distro look like? | Nov 24 18:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | Nov 24 18:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fuVP8D3wJv (dnf.baseurl.org) | Nov 24 18:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org | DNF 1.1.4 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.14 Released | DNF | Nov 24 18:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @ekimetrics favourited 'What would the perfect Linux distro look like?...' | Nov 24 18:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry confirms that more Android-powered | Nov 24 18:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones are coming https://t.co/ApDTiQd43m | Nov 24 18:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.firstpost.com | BlackBerry confirms that more Android-powered smartphones are coming – Tech2 | Nov 24 18:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google To Donate Up To $1 Million Toward | Nov 24 18:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Education In Android Pay Charity Campaign | Nov 24 18:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PGmPwAAh5T (techcrunch.com) | Nov 24 18:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google To Donate Up To $1 Million Toward Education In Android Pay Charity Campaign | TechCrunch | Nov 24 18:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Operating System Could Get Full Disk | Nov 24 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Encryption Soon https://t.co/tDL0oXTQUY | Nov 24 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Operating System Could Get Full Disk Encryption Soon | Nov 24 18:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS Gets First GNOME 3.19 | Nov 24 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Packages for Daily Build | Nov 24 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS Gets First GNOME 3.19 Packages for Daily Build | Nov 24 18:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Kyri'ay | Nov 24 18:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Vanderpoel https://t.co/JNXE0YaWH6 | Nov 24 18:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Kyri'ay Vanderpoel | Linux.com | Nov 24 18:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xiaomi Mi Pad 2 announced – here are the | Nov 24 18:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | details https://t.co/jaMlSxqInw | Nov 24 18:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Xiaomi Mi Pad 2 announced - here are the details - Android Authority | Nov 24 18:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Operating System Could Get Full Disk Encryption...' | Nov 24 18:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS Gets First GNOME 3.19...' | Nov 24 18:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Becomes Steward of the | Nov 24 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Open Networking Summit https://t.co/Kr3om9yeN8 | Nov 24 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | The Linux Foundation Becomes Steward of the Open Networking Summit | Nov 24 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa 11.0.6 Has Intel, Radeon, and Nouveau | Nov 24 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Driver Fixes, Mesa 11.1 Gets Its First RC Build | Nov 24 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mesa 11.0.6 Has Intel, Radeon, and Nouveau Driver Fixes, Mesa 11.1 Gets Its First RC Build | Nov 24 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE at USENIX/LISA2015 Conference | Nov 24 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | KDE at USENIX/LISA2015 Conference | KDE.news | Nov 24 19:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Mesa 11.0.6 Has Intel, Radeon, and Nouveau Driver...' | Nov 24 19:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Nov 24 19:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vfZNlt2aqQ (www.haveeru.com.mv) | Nov 24 19:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "there is a Linux [open-source] server" | Nov 24 19:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haveeru.com.mv | HaveeruOnline - In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Nov 24 19:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open letter to Jolla community: through the | Nov 24 19:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | tough times https://t.co/cLHLRIPIAN | Nov 24 19:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open letter to Jolla community: through the tough times | Tux Machines | Nov 24 19:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Radeon Software Crimson Driver 15.11 for Linux | Nov 24 19:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is Out and It's the Same as Catalyst | Nov 24 19:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon Software Crimson Driver 15.11 for Linux Is Out and It's the Same as Catalyst | Tux Machines | Nov 24 19:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Nov 24 19:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In Kenya, a digital classroom in a box | Tux Machines | Nov 24 19:58 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Radeon Software Crimson Driver 15.11 for Linux Is...' | Nov 24 20:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android-Powered OXY Smartwatch Needs Your Help | Nov 24 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Indiegogo https://t.co/9RfISALNzk | Nov 24 20:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Android-Powered OXY Smartwatch Needs Your Help On Indiegogo | Androidheadlines.com | Nov 24 20:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @nuvaaol favourited 'Android-Powered OXY Smartwatch Needs Your Help On Indiegogo...' | Nov 24 20:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best in Breed Twitter Clients for Linux | Nov 24 20:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EU8EY3qVNU (www.linux.com) | Nov 24 20:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Best in Breed Twitter Clients for Linux | Linux.com | Nov 24 20:21 | |
| msb__ | Hamster rediscovered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qN72LEQnaU | Nov 24 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Hampsterdance Song - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/objxt ] | Nov 24 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Nov 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669256754979540992 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257076271542272 | Nov 24 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer Your understanding of patents is inaccurate. Patents are property. Patents give no right to exploitation. @schestowitz | Nov 24 20:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Your beef w/ copyrights is justified, but doesn't support you on patents. Patents last for far less than 20 years @retroDoomer | Nov 24 20:52 | |
| cubexyz | eh? | Nov 24 20:53 |
| cubexyz | patents last 20 years | Nov 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | The point about persistence after death of owner isn't the main point here; the abstract nature of ideas/work is. | Nov 24 20:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, 20 years from filing | Nov 24 20:54 |
| cubexyz | so technically, yes it is less than 20 years because of that | Nov 24 20:54 |
| schestowitz | yeah, something like that | Nov 24 20:54 |
| schestowitz | depends on the domain | Nov 24 20:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669257789169139713 | Nov 24 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Was just responding to you pointing out copyrights last past death. If that wasn't want you meant why say it? @retroDoomer | Nov 24 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | Creating on a monopoly on something does not, in its own right, lead to more creation/creativity | Nov 24 20:55 |
| cubexyz | I've looked into puzzle patents, and one usually can get a patent after filing in about 2 years | Nov 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258129436246017 | Nov 24 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Inventions are not abstract. Software is also not abstract either. I'd expect a software engineer to understand that. | Nov 24 20:56 | |
| schestowitz | Software is as abstract as maths | Nov 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | The software I write is reducible to maths, mostly matrices | Nov 24 20:56 |
| cubexyz | you can also consider an executable file as a number :) | Nov 24 20:56 |
| cubexyz | and one of the first software patents was British | Nov 24 20:59 |
| cubexyz | "A Computer Arranged for the Automatic Solution of Linear Programming Problems" | Nov 24 21:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258690327920641 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669258887250518016 | Nov 24 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Software instructs machines and is NOT math. Math is descriptive. Obviously your not a very good software engineer. | Nov 24 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math solve the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage. Really. What an ignorant view of software to call it math. | Nov 24 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLE | Nov 24 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by "solve the page"? | Nov 24 21:01 |
| cubexyz | well machine code is numbers :) | Nov 24 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Did you ever write a computer program? | Nov 24 21:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | but he's a lawyer | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't even know how his site works | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | he's a very influential patent lawyers | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | most well known, I think | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259797955534848 | Nov 24 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz If software is math you have to be able to solve or reduce, which you can't do. I have written code, have you? | Nov 24 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | I can | Nov 24 21:02 |
| schestowitz | You can write your rendering code for your page in numbers | Nov 24 21:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669259903945547777 | Nov 24 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Impossible to believe you write code if you don't understand that code instructs a machine and isn't math. How ignorant. | Nov 24 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | Show me code you wrote please... | Nov 24 21:03 |
| cubexyz | I'll give an example in octal: | Nov 24 21:03 |
| cubexyz | 0062457 | Nov 24 21:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260087874187264 | Nov 24 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Great. I look forward to you solving the basic HTML code that makes up https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT. I can't wait for your response. | Nov 24 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | CPU dumb to file while rendering your page | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | CPU dump to file while rendering your page | Nov 24 21:04 |
| cubexyz | man, the guy just sounds like he's spoiling for a fight | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | it's funny, let's carry on... | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | he's shaming himself | Nov 24 21:04 |
| cubexyz | 0062457 is the octal code for running init in old Unix | Nov 24 21:05 |
| cubexyz | part of main.c of the kernel | Nov 24 21:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260270183821313 | Nov 24 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Translating instructions into binary code does not make it math. What does the code represent? Instructions to a machine. | Nov 24 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 21:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260465034420224 | Nov 24 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz God help the people who employ you to write code if you think the code you write is math. Obviously you don't' get it. | Nov 24 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | Show me code you wrote. | Nov 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260655149600768 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260780144082944 | Nov 24 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Looking forward to your solution to the https://t.co/IkJuPoz3oT homepage, because if software is math there has to be an answer | Nov 24 21:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ipwatchdog.com | NO TITLE | Nov 24 21:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So you agree that software instructs a machine. Now you just have to figure out what math really is then and your set! | Nov 24 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | I said numbers instruct a machine, you twist what I said | Nov 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160 | Nov 24 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ... | Nov 24 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669260925543817216 | Nov 24 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Math describes reality. Software directs reality. Two very different things. | Nov 24 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | Still waiting for you to show me code you wrote (third time I ask for it now, no response) | Nov 24 21:07 |
| cubexyz | if you go back to IBM 701 then I think you had to use machine code | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll say that | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261240829681666 | Nov 24 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz No. Everyone can read that you said software is math, which it is not. You are wrong, embarrassing yourself to say otherwise. | Nov 24 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | Will you show me code you wrote (fourth time I ask) | Nov 24 21:08 |
| cubexyz | is this Gene Quinn? :) | Nov 24 21:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261553749880832 | Nov 24 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You are the one who ignorantly proclaimed software is math, which clearly it is not. | Nov 24 21:10 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | he's quite well known | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | among all the big companies | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | he's like THE lobbyist for software patents | Nov 24 21:10 |
| cubexyz | ok well .... | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6851438 | Nov 24 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Says he wrote code, cannot name a single example by name or a link https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261809543733248 #swpats | Nov 24 21:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why do you need to see code I've written? You're wrong. Software is not math. My coding history has nothing to do with that. | Nov 24 21:11 | |
| cubexyz | software pats...that's great for lawyers but bad for everyone else | Nov 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | if you want to see that software is maths, open an exe file (I assume you use Windows) using your code [sic] editor | Nov 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262283667849216 | Nov 24 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz I look forward to your solution of a very simple HTML, PHP webpage. LOL. | Nov 24 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | OK, it's almost bedtime, Gene. Tomorrow we'll learn integration. | Nov 24 21:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262874871775232 | Nov 24 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz What's interesting is that you admitted that software directs a machine and that I was correct. | Nov 24 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263099850043392 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/VBlVWMpHIU | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| cubexyz | ok, ask a CS prof | Nov 24 21:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262605966438401 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the 4th time I've asked why you want to see code and why that matters? Software is not math, period! | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| cubexyz | should be interesting | Nov 24 21:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262502795091972 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz This is the third time I've asked you why you need to see code I've written? That doesn't change that software isn't math. | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669262391289511936 | Nov 24 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz So why do you need to see code I've written? You are the one who is ignorantly wrong? | Nov 24 21:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669261448586108928 | Nov 24 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz You realize Twitter is 140 characters, right? I have written code. If you don't believe me that is your problem, not mine. | Nov 24 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263534900027392 | Nov 24 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @schestowitz Why wait to tomorrow to educate yourself about software? If you think it is math your clients have been done a real disservice | Nov 24 21:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864 | Nov 24 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how people who say software is math never can solve or reduce simple HTML code. Probably because software is NOT math. @schestowitz | Nov 24 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | Software is Mathematics http://techrights.org/2011/05/24/software-is-maths/ | Nov 24 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software is Mathematics | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/obk3y ] | Nov 24 21:20 | |
| cubexyz | HTML is a markup language | Nov 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | to be interpreted | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | but he doesn't know what it means | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | can't use big words like -gasp - markup | Nov 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264616292261893 | Nov 24 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I don't care what you cite to support you. It doesn't change reality that software is NOT math. | Nov 24 21:21 | |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't call it a programming language | Nov 24 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The statement of a closed mind | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | ok, write a program to compute pi in HTML :) | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | just HTML... nothing else | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | M stands for.... markup :) | Nov 24 21:22 |
| cubexyz | the end | Nov 24 21:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669264735586660354 | Nov 24 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz and if software is math you will be able to solve the IPWatchdog homepage, which we both know you CAN'T do. | Nov 24 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | M stands for markup, it's not code | Nov 24 21:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669263938132004864 | Nov 24 21:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265020845481984 https://twitter.com/TheRealWolfLine/status/669265164412297217 | Nov 24 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz No. It is the statement of one who is actually correct. You can't solve software and that seems to frustrate you. LOL | Nov 24 21:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealWolfLine: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz All "ideas" were at one point "abstract". An "invention" is a process/method/product that solves what is abstract | Nov 24 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265179759259648 | Nov 24 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Only someone ignorant and incapable of independent thought would say software is math. I've explained it to you, Truth hurt? | Nov 24 21:25 | |
| cubexyz | this guy is a goof | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm showing it | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | to people who aren't lawyers | Nov 24 21:26 |
| cubexyz | I would never have a discussion like that in academia | Nov 24 21:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265735714217984 | Nov 24 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Code instructs a machine. You have to know that. You also have to know that math does not instruct, but describes reality. | Nov 24 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | machine reads numbers in sequence to yield output | Nov 24 21:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669265888894451712 | Nov 24 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Quite clearly you aren't able to solve a simple webpage, and you have a closed mind that embraces ignorance. | Nov 24 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | A web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignore is quite revealing. | Nov 24 21:27 |
| schestowitz | A web page is not a program, php is a program, firefox is a program. Your ignorance is quite revealing. | Nov 24 21:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266341212344320 https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669266474423484417 | Nov 24 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Machines read numbers and the numbers are translated from code. So the code instructs the machine. Simple concept really | Nov 24 21:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I agree they aren't the same but to be fair mark up describes a document and you could do it with math. | Nov 24 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266512734195713 | Nov 24 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Oh, so you can solve an entire program, but not something simple like a webpage. Then solve your program of choice. LOL | Nov 24 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | Sir, a web page is not a program, sorry to disappoint you, but you need CS 101. | Nov 24 21:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266584033185792 | Nov 24 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Er Math isn't all about solvability. All code is derived and wrote due to Mathematics. Not all Math is code. | Nov 24 21:30 | |
| cubexyz | if you study the history of CS it did come from the mathematics department | Nov 24 21:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266659882987521 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669266691319296001 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669266823767027712 | Nov 24 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Mathematics is the science of skilful operations with concepts and rules invented just for this purpose. | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz You said software is math. So pick any software and solve it. You know you can't. Very revealing. Software is NOT math. | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz That quote was from Eugene Wigner. One that stuck with me whilst studying Math and I thought applied to programming | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PatentCafe/status/669267071159660549 | Nov 24 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentCafe: He finally admitted that software instructs a machine, but clings to nonsense that software is still somehow math. https://t.co/ipK9o8Rmth… | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog code is reduced to numbers, which are interpreted by the CPU as instructions | Nov 24 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267174725390337 | Nov 24 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Let me talk slower... solve ANY program you want and reveal the solution. You can't because software is not math. | Nov 24 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | You need to learn how a computer processor works | Nov 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267441575424000 | Nov 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | at the lowest level it is logic gates | Nov 24 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying that things written in PHP and which leverage HTML are not software? What is your definition of software? | Nov 24 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which the CPU processes to yield a solution (output) | Nov 24 21:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669267778772328449 | Nov 24 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why are you dodging? Can't solve a program huh? That would be because software is not math. LOL | Nov 24 21:35 | |
| schestowitz | You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | You could run a program with pen and paper. People used to use punch cards. | Nov 24 21:35 |
| cubexyz | look up Turing Machine | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, look up Turing Machine | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | if he know what it is... | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1S | Nov 24 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | Takes a long time, but doable. Used to be done, e.g. in decryption in WW2, with assistance of primitive machines | Nov 24 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | I see we're making progress here because you finally realise that computer programs do solve mathematical problems | Nov 24 21:38 |
| cubexyz | Recall that the Church-Turing thesis hypothesizes this to be true for any kind of machine: that anything that can be computed can be computed by some Turing machine | Nov 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268841231491072 | Nov 24 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Are you saying pen and paper are math too? The punch cards that instructed the machine must be an abstract idea too. LOL | Nov 24 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | Punch cards are the hardware equivalent of today | Nov 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269049541599234 | Nov 24 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would take so long that the ballistic missile would have evaded in response and then landed. Don't be stupid please. | Nov 24 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | Doing the CPU's job by hand too slow, hence there's impact, hence disaster, hence software not math? Touchdown, lawyers! | Nov 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269298792239105 | Nov 24 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Yes. Computer programs can do math, but doesn't mean the software written to instruct the machine is math, as you suggest. | Nov 24 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | That what used to be done before, with a little studying you'd know that | Nov 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669269740079058944 | Nov 24 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I meant for the original creator to exploit @ipwatchdog @schestowitz | Nov 24 21:42 | |
| cubexyz | ok, the origin of programming came out of symbolic logic | Nov 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669270066874023937 | Nov 24 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog especially when that monopoly actively discourages others from similar ideas. | Nov 24 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | Simultaneous ideas too | Nov 24 21:44 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, really I would ask that question to a CS professor | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270233115435010 | Nov 24 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz I taught you today that software instructs machines, which you now admit. Now you just need to admit software is not math. | Nov 24 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but he's not | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't expect him to admit he was wrong | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | but I can make him think | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | it's like telling theists that God doesn't exist | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | at best you can make them introspect | Nov 24 21:45 |
| cubexyz | ask Donald Knuth :) | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | and maybe they'll realise that it's true -- it's as real as Santa Claus was | Nov 24 21:45 |
| cubexyz | I think I could argue it both ways really | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270441714954242 | Nov 24 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents encourage working around and do not discourage working on similar ideas. Do a patent search and see. | Nov 24 21:45 | |
| cubexyz | you could say that programming follows from symbolic logic, and then say that SL is philosophy | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Patents on progress bars cannot be worked around... many patents are utter rubbish | Nov 24 21:46 |
| cubexyz | that would put it outside of math | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669270773039763456 | Nov 24 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Still waiting for software solution since software is math, bc if it is math you can solve. Why dodge? Admit you're wrong. | Nov 24 21:46 | |
| cubexyz | but it would be interesting to hear what a CS expert would say | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | You already self-refuted | Nov 24 21:46 |
| schestowitz | With your ballistic missile example | Nov 24 21:46 |
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| cubexyz | A lawyer would say one thing, a CS prof another thing, and a math professor a third thing | Nov 24 21:48 |
| cubexyz | you could argue that one all day | Nov 24 21:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271388255989761 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271395407429632 | Nov 24 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for physical products make sense although in medical areas shouldn't be allowed. | Nov 24 21:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Sorry. Software is'nt math, you just won't admit it but you admitted software instructs. You know math is descriptive, right? | Nov 24 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, maybe I'll move on for now.. | Nov 24 21:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669270900999659520 | Nov 24 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Mathematics is way broader than numbers.It's a science and is used at least partially to solve almost every problem | Nov 24 21:50 | |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 24 21:50 |
| cubexyz | I would say the same thing :) | Nov 24 21:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669269942257262592 | Nov 24 21:50 |
| cubexyz | math > arithmetic but includes it | Nov 24 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Software is not math simply because it isn't. You admitted software instructs machines, which means software is not math. | Nov 24 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | vroken telephone.. | Nov 24 21:50 |
| *abeNd-org has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Nov 24 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | like a politicians stuck on their script | Nov 24 21:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268431246594052 | Nov 24 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Well, not if you have anything meaningful to process. Try processing the interception of a ballistic missile by hand https://t.co/MDYFkzTq1S | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog You can do processing by hand | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| cubexyz | one could argue symbolic reasoning is philosophy though | Nov 24 21:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669268228984741889 | Nov 24 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Yes. FINALLY! Software is a series of instructions. Math is NOT a series of instructions, but rather a description. https://t.co/glGY5qUgl3 | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ipwatchdog Software is a series of instructions, reducible to a binary set (i.e. number), which CPU processes to yield a solution (output) | Nov 24 21:51 | |
| cubexyz | anyways software pats is holding people back, except for lawyers :) | Nov 24 21:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271700178149376 | Nov 24 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Patents for knowledge of which computing, science, math should not exist nor be allowed. | Nov 24 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669271748580388864 | Nov 24 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Would love to debate you or anyone else who thinks software is math. Would be great fun to expose your ignorance. | Nov 24 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669271832554524672 | Nov 24 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz It gets to the situation of Elsevier where a power hoards information prohibiting advancements. | Nov 24 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272030181761024 | Nov 24 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz But computing is not knowledge. You write code to accomplish a task, and code doesn't write itself. | Nov 24 21:54 | |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, read what Amit Gupta says: | Nov 24 21:54 |
| cubexyz | http://akgupta.ca/blog/2014/07/19/is-math-programming-youre-asking-the-wrong-question-part-1/ | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272056882663430 | Nov 24 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Sci-hub is the future for many scientists as is open source for tech. | Nov 24 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: he doesn't follow links | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | too lazy | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | he made up his mine | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | he chose his source of incom | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | paid not to understand | Nov 24 21:54 |
| cubexyz | you could even argue that programming by wire was graph theory :) | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272180371398656 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Exactly, your code doesn't write itself. You have thought and wrote down the code. | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669272205625290752 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @kstallett @retroDoomer @schestowitz Problem is patents don't inhibit advancement. Facts and reality prove your point faulty. | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272300970246144 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Now why say someone who also wants to solve that problem shouldn't be allowed to in the same way | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272457145139200 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz Please provide facts, I am curious to see. | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669272623956783104 | Nov 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I currently disagree. I feel many students could solve medical issues if they had open source info | Nov 24 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669272878869647360 | Nov 24 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz exactly! Imagine if Newton had patented his laws, or there was a patent on number systems. | Nov 24 21:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273259846844416 | Nov 24 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz @retroDoomer Unfortunately, you are wrong again. Patents don't create a monopoly. https://t.co/tFJfIrBI9h | Nov 24 21:56 | |
| schestowitz | Kappos, USPTO Director, called them "monopolies" | Nov 24 21:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669273355338559489 | Nov 24 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @kasilas @ipwatchdog That, I think, depends on what you think maths is. | Nov 24 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273412565471232 | Nov 24 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz programming is absolutely *not* similar to creative writing, nor physical product. | Nov 24 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273657051652097 | Nov 24 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog I would usually drop a ball but I don't believe I am allowed to without risk of severe penalties. | Nov 24 21:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669273708737859584 | Nov 24 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz it would be folly to patent a string of functions and operations. The same as a mathematical formula | Nov 24 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669273778237661184 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669273812664479746 | Nov 24 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Obviously you aren't reading the article explaining why patents are not a monopoly. Fine if you want to persist as ignorant. | Nov 24 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @ipwatchdog Tbh today's Newton isn't allowed free access to his work, he has to pirate it. | Nov 24 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669274395169464320 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669274471744802816 | Nov 24 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz There is an interesting debate to be had, here, but does it depends on what you want to class as maths? | Nov 24 22:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz Mathematical formulas are not patentable, but software is not math so that doesn't help your position. | Nov 24 22:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669274939929706497 | Nov 24 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Software is indeed math in many cases. But that is not the point. I see you don't understand code @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669275263407153152 | Nov 24 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Software is never math. I see you don't understand what math is and why you write software. @retroDoomer @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276050568818689 | Nov 24 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz The impartial Twitter referre has called the fight in the third with @ipwatchdog winner by TKO in 3d Rd. | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | Says patent guy...:-) | Nov 24 22:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669276096488079361 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276110019010561 | Nov 24 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Strange, I use a lot of mathematical type operations in my code, and many libraries do also @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @retroDoomer @schestowitz I studied math and all software is based on mathematic science. | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669276317775495168 | Nov 24 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 I wish you the best in sourcing the definition of impartial. @ipwatchdog @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gth1017/status/669276821125378048 | Nov 24 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gth1017: @kstallett @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Easy--means keeping mind open and admitting when I'm wrong. How about you? | Nov 24 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669278146013831168 | Nov 24 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @gth1017 @ipwatchdog @schestowitz I would imagine it must be difficult to not have a biased opinion considering your company. | Nov 24 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | Some people create some things, some assert they have invisible 'property' | Nov 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669278925147664384 | Nov 24 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @TheIpHawk @ipwatchdog @kstallett @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:19 | |
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| schestowitz | http://suepo.org/public/news | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - News | Nov 24 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Claiming a wish to increase transparency, the EPO has published part of its Service Regulations online. Unfortunately, the Circulars mentioned below, as well as the Financial Regulations and the Tender Guidelines, amongst others, are missing. In the interest of potential job applicants and of the public in general, SUEPO calls upon Mr Battistelli to publish the missing parts. | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 347 Circular on Strikes | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 355 Regulations for the Staff Committee elections | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 356 Resources and facilities to be granted to the Staff Committee | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 364 Implementation of the career system. Minimum qualifications for recruitment, grading on recruitment, promotion and other rewards | Nov 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 365 General Guidelines on the EPO Competency Framework | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 366 General Guidelines on Performance Management | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Circular No. 367 Absences for Health Reasons | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669279884146040832 | Nov 24 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: I love it when obviously biased people say that those who believe in a patent system are biased. MIRROR! @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669280188614709248 | Nov 24 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz As said before:I believe for physical inventions it is probably a needed evil. For knowledge it isn't. | Nov 24 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | At least we programmers are producing something | Nov 24 22:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280664886358017 | Nov 24 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . And as I've said, software is not knowledge. You conflate thing unrelated as if they prove something @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz | Nov 24 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448400700343 | Nov 24 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions [ http://ur1.ca/obk8u ] | Nov 24 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | "SUEPO is not only an organization under Dutch law, If I am not mistaken. SUEPO also represents staff in Munich, Berlin and Vienna. FFPE-EPO does not seem to be an option for staff at those locations, which is the majority. If I am wrong, please put me right." | Nov 24 22:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669280983133364224 | Nov 24 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: If software is math you would produce things that work, but you don't. Still waiting on that solution! @schestowitz @kstallett @gth1017 | Nov 24 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281347211567104 | Nov 24 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz @gth1017 As in Mathematics the thinking involved to produce a working formula can be too tough to imagine. | Nov 24 22:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669277709495848960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669276652476735488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669275607818231808 https://twitter.com/Daleington9/status/669196572543082497 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/669274586605871106 | Nov 24 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: Software Freedom Conservancy must move to a Supporter-driven organization - https://t.co/8luZbfuokV & it needs help to do so #freesw | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> sfconservancy.org | Support Conservancy - Software Freedom Conservancy | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #trendmicro salespeople want to sell, use misleading figures https://t.co/BRcUcY3Tug recall https://t.co/snvirtm6fg | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> indianexpress.com | Cybersecurity: 95 per cent of Android devices were affected in Q3, 2015, says Trend Micro | The Indian Express | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Trend Micro - Techrights | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Now I know why some lawyers-politicians try to ban #encryption and think it's doable. I know because I've just debated @ipwatchdog | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSs | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Daleington9: "Don't worry about your rising heating costs this winter Dorothy, we have #Trident to keep us warm" https://t.co/9zGVOKJPSs | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 open source security tools to protect your firm https://t.co/otpEO1yX1o #freesw is verifiable | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbronline.com | 5 open source security tools to protect your firm - Computer Business Review | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669281928000983040 | Nov 24 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz How would you define it? Again actually curious. | Nov 24 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669282463785607168 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669282977462005761 | Nov 24 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @kstallett @gth1017 @schestowitz Knowledge is facts or information, software directs machine to act. How you could think they're the same? | Nov 24 22:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz True but all the algorithms that are used in software are Mathmatical science. Formulas that work on paper | Nov 24 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283289199415296 | Nov 24 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz EG: if x > y do something. We use these in our every day life. This is knowledge. This is Mathematics. | Nov 24 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283466719162368 | Nov 24 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz whilst I understand you fight you corner and I fight mine and we both feel we are right. | Nov 24 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | But one side knows mathematical notion, the other does not | Nov 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | One side is producing, the other is parastical | Nov 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283532439724033 | Nov 24 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz And this is the internet where no argument has ever been won. | Nov 24 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283765089366017 | Nov 24 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I never expected to meet you today in any form and I'm pleased I did as it has me thinking. | Nov 24 22:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284584497012736https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669283933863956480 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284100344307713 https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669284433971814400 | Nov 24 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz I have been slack against all these things I believe in. I can't be slack no more. | Nov 24 22:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz Go read a few papers on sci hub and see how much knowledge you will have gained all due to no patents. | Nov 24 22:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @ipwatchdog @gth1017 @schestowitz You will be more understanding and gain information you didn't know existed. This is why patents are bad. | Nov 24 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | Patents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries. It has gone very wrong. | Nov 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Patents were introduced to encourage publication of information. But that was centuries ago. It has gone very wrong. | Nov 24 22:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Don_Watkins/status/669286522886209538] https://twitter.com/mikejknuckles/status/669285687783477249 | Nov 24 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Don_Watkins: @opensourceway @philshapiro https://t.co/nQ5WrTxkcg | Nov 24 22:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "I am getting annoyed and tired of Microsoft's marginal business ethics" https://t.co/kcS44BnLoZ https://t.co/Ft7YxrY7Dm | Nov 24 22:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikejknuckles: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Sic em boy! | Nov 24 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/669260810527580160 | Nov 24 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz same page: "The lead LILO developer plans to cease development at the end of the year". Where is the world going to ... | Nov 24 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/669288566414049280 | Nov 24 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog It really has. Then there wasn't such an easy way to share information with the world. Now is very different. | Nov 24 23:00 | |
| schestowitz | Time for massive overhaul/reform | Nov 24 23:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kasilas/status/669292736059719681 | Nov 24 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kasilas: @Twpalovi @schestowitz to me, maths is a succinct description that often helps extract inherent symmetries in considered scenarios. | Nov 24 23:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KGHohenstauffen/status/669296453551005696 | Nov 24 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHM | Nov 24 23:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KGHohenstauffen: Turkey is buying Islamic State oil and supporting terrorism by attacking Kurds who oppose Islamic State https://t.co/VYiSIIJeHM | Nov 24 23:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/669300777647808512 | Nov 24 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it doesnt respond on 10 Turkey's requests to change it's heading. And this is not first chance exception. Russia - terrorists. | Nov 24 23:49 | |
| schestowitz | Did Turkey think the Russians would bomb Turkey? | Nov 24 23:49 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: Turkey supports Al-Nusrah Front which is a subdivision of Al-Qaeda, IOW jihadist head-choppers, allied with ISIL Turkey supports them by buying oil from them, and probably by giving them weapons too. Russia bombs them. That's why Turkey shot down the SU-24. | Nov 25 03:47 |
| msb__ | The US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel all support ISIL in various ways, but lie and say they don't. | Nov 25 03:48 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: cubexyz: Regarding computer programs as math, is this what you mean? A program can be expressed as a series of imperative statements (implications) in symbolic logic (SL extended to include arithmetic). A computer that executes the program can likewise be expressed as a series of SL implications. Taken together, these implications can be solved (reduced) to a series of symbols representing the real-world results of | Nov 25 03:54 |
| msb__ | executing the program on the computer -- symbols printed on the printer, dots put up on the display, bytes written to tape/disk, etc. | Nov 25 03:54 |
| cubexyz | mostly I was saying software could be considered very math-like | Nov 25 03:55 |
| cubexyz | I would hesitate to say software == math, except to point out that any executable program could be represented as a big number | Nov 25 03:55 |
| cubexyz | not sure if math has anything like a stack, or jump | Nov 25 03:56 |
| cubexyz | I'm not in favour of software pats though | Nov 25 03:57 |
| MinceR | afaik computer science is part of mathematics | Nov 25 03:57 |
| cubexyz | historically CS grew out of the math departments | Nov 25 03:58 |
| MinceR | also, turing machines are turing-complete without stacks or jumps | Nov 25 03:58 |
| msb__ | If math has arrays, then it has stacks. And if its statements are numbered and selected with an integer (the program counter) then it has jumps. | Nov 25 03:58 |
| cubexyz | APL is very math-like | Nov 25 03:59 |
| cubexyz | it even looks rather like math | Nov 25 04:00 |
| msb__ | I think I proved above that a program + the computer that executes it, combined, constitute a set of mathematical expressions that can be solved (reduced). | Nov 25 04:00 |
| cubexyz | yes, there's the Church-Turing Thesis | Nov 25 04:01 |
| msb__ | Presumably arrays and numbered expressions can be expressed in set theory. I think _anything_ can be expressed in set theory. I took a course in it once. It was brutal. | Nov 25 04:02 |
| MinceR | i wasn't aware of that, afaict | Nov 25 04:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, lambda calculus comes to mind | Nov 25 04:02 |
| msb__ | So if programs are math, and math can't be patented, then swpats are invalid. Is that schestowitz' contention? | Nov 25 04:04 |
| cubexyz | basically | Nov 25 04:04 |
| cubexyz | I just make a simpler argument: software patents are bad for people in general | Nov 25 04:05 |
| cubexyz | bad for society | Nov 25 04:05 |
| msb__ | Then I think he should use my proof, which is concise and simple. | Nov 25 04:05 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Those points are certainly true too. | Nov 25 04:06 |
| msb__ | I would also say that once a programming problem is stated, writing the program is basically the application of known techniques, which any programmer knowledgeable in the art would be able to do. Therefore programs are not novel and thus are not patentable. | Nov 25 04:08 |
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| msb__ | The same argument would also apply to many physical and chemical inventions, which likewise should not be patentable. | Nov 25 04:10 |
| cubexyz | at least patents expire relatively quickly | Nov 25 04:12 |
| cubexyz | less than 20 years de facto | Nov 25 04:12 |
| msb__ | As to benefitting society, if creating something has to involve searching through tens of millions of patents and hiring a lawyer, then patents enormously inhibit creativity. | Nov 25 04:13 |
| cubexyz | it's a bad joke | Nov 25 04:13 |
| msb__ | 20 years can be two or three generations of software or hardware. | Nov 25 04:14 |
| cubexyz | relatively quickly compared to say... copyright | Nov 25 04:14 |
| cubexyz | some patents are utter gobbley-gook anyways | Nov 25 04:19 |
| msb__ | "intellectual property" -- software and entertainment -- can very easily be duplicated with today's technology. So far, the IP "owners" have been unable to stop it. So it may be in the future that IP creators will not be able to demand payment, but will have to rely on voluntary contributions. At the same time, technology, properly applied in a socialist economy, will make living much more affordable than it is currently under | Nov 25 04:19 |
| msb__ | predatory capitalism, so IP creators and everyone else will need much less money. | Nov 25 04:19 |
| cubexyz | all computers can copy a memory location :) | Nov 25 04:20 |
| msb__ | And in particular, a memory location on the Internet. | Nov 25 04:21 |
| msb__ | Patents are supposed to openly explain the techniques used in an invention, but a "good" patent writer can so obfuscate the explanation that it's impossible to understand, and thus doesn't give competitors any clues. | Nov 25 04:23 |
| msb__ | We have to face the fact that technology can change the structures of our lives and society for the better. After all, we used to spend all our lives grubbing for roots and berries. | Nov 25 04:27 |
| msb__ | Patents and copyrights are not suited to the post-industrial age. | Nov 25 04:28 |
| msb__ | Maybe the mathematicalness of software comes down to the Axiom of Choice. That would be fun! | Nov 25 04:33 |
| msb__ | I would think an SU-24 would have countermeasures capable of stopping, fooling, or avoiding an American air-to-air missile. Maybe the pilots didn't have them turned on because they didn't think anyone would attack them. | Nov 25 04:36 |
| msb__ | I've never understood why spaceships don't run with their shields up all the time. Or at least under computer control if it senses an attack. | Nov 25 04:54 |
| msb__ | Dramatic impact, I guess, so they can flash the lights and sway back and forth. | Nov 25 04:55 |
| msb__ | I suspect that if the SU-24 was running with its countermeasures on manual control, Russia will not admit it. | Nov 25 04:57 |
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| msb__ | "The Man in the High Castle" -- 10 part TV series, based on the novel by Philip K Dick and screenplay by Frank Spotnitz of The X-Files. 1962 dystopian alternate timeline in which the US lost WW2 and has been conquered by the German and Japanese Nazis. Just watched the first episode. Very well produced, very gruesome.Perhaps if tRump gets elected, we will see it for real. | Nov 25 12:30 |
| msb__ | Or Hellary. Murdered Libya and gloated about it, and is now trying to censor a comedy show that ridiculed her. | Nov 25 12:33 |
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| cubexyz | yes, I think it's fair to say that a lot of things aren't that good if you study them in detail | Nov 25 13:05 |
| cubexyz | e.g. none of the computer stores in my area are any good | Nov 25 13:06 |
| cubexyz | also the documentation you get with peripherals and computers is a bad joke | Nov 25 13:09 |
| msb__ | It is up to us -- we who know good things -- to broadcast them to as many people as we can. That's the only way our society can improve. Fortunately the Internet makes it possible. | Nov 25 13:49 |
| msb__ | After watching the second episode, I do not recommend "The Man in the High Castle". It is pornography of fascism, torture, murder, and death. The story might make a good 90-minute movie, but this version is padded with awfulness. Two hours of it is as much as I can stand. | Nov 25 13:53 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: As to computers, things are much better than when I was growing up. $150 will buy a powerful Linux-capable SBC, a keyboard, mouse, and hard drive. Connect it to a TV, load it with Linux, get the docs from the Web, get a $15-20/month Net connection, and you're in contact with the World Mind! | Nov 25 14:02 |
| cubexyz | 50s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s, there's no doubt that generally electronics has improved | Nov 25 14:07 |
| cubexyz | by the late 1980s though things get a bit more murky | Nov 25 14:07 |
| cubexyz | also my net connection is more like $50 than $20 per month | Nov 25 14:08 |
| cubexyz | by the late 1980s surface mount technology has reduced the repairability of computers | Nov 25 14:08 |
| cubexyz | are things better now than in the late 1950s? no question | Nov 25 14:09 |
| cubexyz | but wall warts? | Nov 25 14:10 |
| cubexyz | that's a step backwards | Nov 25 14:10 |
| cubexyz | flimsy connector pair with minimal contact area, no locking retainer | Nov 25 14:10 |
| cubexyz | very poor design | Nov 25 14:11 |
| cubexyz | of course, part of the bad design is deliberate | Nov 25 14:12 |
| cubexyz | no light bulb company is going to make a bulb that lasts 100 years | Nov 25 14:13 |
| cubexyz | on the plus side some stuff is pretty good... dlink routers, HP Laserjets (some of them) | Nov 25 14:14 |
| cubexyz | anything that is repairable or lasts beyond 15 years is pretty good | Nov 25 14:15 |
| cubexyz | some early 1950s computers needed a megawatt of power to run | Nov 25 14:16 |
| cubexyz | so getting things down to under 100 watts was great | Nov 25 14:17 |
| cubexyz | the transition from vacuum tubes to transistors was obviously super important | Nov 25 14:18 |
| cubexyz | but all the crappy "laptops" that last under 4 years, that's not good | Nov 25 14:19 |
| cubexyz | some of the stuff was so bad... they actually would destroy themselves | Nov 25 14:19 |
| cubexyz | the GPU would overheat 100% of the time | Nov 25 14:20 |
| cubexyz | I've seen stuff go over 100C | Nov 25 14:21 |
| cubexyz | some of the Dell Dimension laptops had pretty close to 100% defective rate | Nov 25 14:22 |
| cubexyz | and programmed obsolesence... print cartridges that stop working after a certain period of time even though they still have ink | Nov 25 14:24 |
| cubexyz | planned obsolesence, laptops with forced microsoft tax, etc | Nov 25 14:26 |
| cubexyz | no way we can say that the current situation is ideal | Nov 25 14:26 |
| cubexyz | when the company says "buy a new one" and doesn't offer fuse replacements | Nov 25 14:29 |
| cubexyz | and tablets are a new low for repairability... | Nov 25 14:31 |
| cubexyz | I imagine there's a mountain of broken smart phones and tablets somewhere | Nov 25 14:31 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah and fuses that require desodering | Nov 25 14:32 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 25 18:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FreeOpenSouRRce/status/669530654514634752 | Nov 25 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhX | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rightrelevance.com | Right Relevance : Influencers, Articles and Conversations | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreeOpenSouRRce: The Sun King Delusion: The Views of Techrights Are Just a Mirror of EPO Staff Unions https://t.co/HbhPKV2vle https://t.co/YBpboqMbhX | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669579554600587265 | Nov 25 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: File in #Weird_Coincidences_on_Twitter along with-- https://t.co/MsJE8wOiSn https://t.co/bBP77nZYL0 | Nov 25 18:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScienceNews: People’s blood sugar rises or falls differently even when they eat the exact same food: https://t.co/aRMmYNEwRr https://t.co/L4pUuoHdtL | Nov 25 18:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just got back from #pcworld and on the doorstep there was incidentally an intimidating letter from PC World. It's "warranty" marketing spam. | Nov 25 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MikeTilbury/status/669581576766939136 | Nov 25 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MikeTilbury: @schestowitz @TheRegister wow that's a great feature. | Nov 25 18:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669585590866845697 | Nov 25 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Roy, puh-leaze, regardless of the content, re-tweeting that account discredits you, completely. | Nov 25 18:46 | |
| schestowitz | The account I know about. But this particular tweet doesn't have anything too dubious. | Nov 25 18:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd — unit dependencies and order | Tux Machines | Nov 25 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669588763136401410 https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589009505603584 https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/669589190930243584 | Nov 25 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 Fair enough. One thing about being a whistle-blower, is accepting the consequences; given the current RF posture... | Nov 25 19:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @schestowitz @Ian56789 ...it sure doesn't help his ostensible agenda, which I share, to be enjoying the hospitality of the FSB. | Nov 25 19:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ian56789: @schestowitz You should realize @Samoan_Attorney is the enemy of all decent ppl & by ignorance supports terrorists, Fascists & Globalists | Nov 25 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Samoan_Attorney/status/669589713431470081 | Nov 25 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Samoan_Attorney: @Ian56789 @schestowitz Says 'a guy' *from behind a block*, with no evidence, or credibility. | Nov 25 19:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Aarhus insists on open IT standards | Nov 25 19:14 |
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| msb__ | The SU-24 copilot survived! Rescued by the Syrian army and interviewed on RT, he said that they knew the route very well, had perfect visibility, and never crossed the border. Turkey gave them no warning. Big surprise. | Nov 25 19:24 |
| cubexyz | huh | Nov 25 19:25 |
| cubexyz | interesting | Nov 25 19:25 |
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| msb__ | John Pilger on RT right now! | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny, rugged SBC runs Linux or Android on Snapdragon 410 · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Support https://t.co/4KJIOnpndu | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Ubuntu Core Support | Nov 25 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java | Nov 25 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | programming stack https://t.co/bcD5Rt3uCx | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Wireless IoT gateway features Linux/Java programming stack · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 19:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MJzSqAgnqn (ostatic.com) | Nov 25 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 19:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Devs Might Release an OTA-8.5 Hotfix...' | Nov 25 19:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware...' | Nov 25 19:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RichardEWillard/status/669600588724838405 | Nov 25 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RichardEWillard: RT - schestowitz - #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/0jdc7zUfG6 not staff but critical… https://t.co/qN0SWZ7o2d | Nov 25 19:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Ben Kerensa of Mozilla tells his open source story | Opensource.com | Nov 25 19:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Mozilla contributor creates #diabetes project https://t.co/XEGftquSqT not staff but critical (at times) contributor, #ubuntu too. | Nov 25 19:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snickerdoodle Rivals Raspberry Pi 2 with Integrated Wi-Fi,...' | Nov 25 19:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up | Nov 25 19:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the hype on Linux https://t.co/iOxGGV587a | Nov 25 19:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Nov 25 19:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | PCWorld | Nov 25 19:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, | Nov 25 19:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is No Longer Active https://t.co/vmtHwdAf8u | Nov 25 19:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Nov 25 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ellen_Timmer/status/669602884498116608 | Nov 25 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ellen_Timmer: Alles delen https://t.co/t23bhqPRSu | Nov 25 19:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #lenovo and #dell (maybe more to come) show that machines with #microsoft #windows preinstalled are like tracking devices w/ spyware | Nov 25 19:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader | Nov 25 19:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/KZRtU7MzPr | Nov 25 19:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Nov 25 19:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...' | Nov 25 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 https://twitter.com/datachick/status/669604775764299781 | Nov 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@datachick: Dell picked a bad week to quit securing. https://t.co/w0KYTdXbkt | Nov 25 19:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 19:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...' | Nov 25 19:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux approach to human and ecosystem | Nov 25 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | well-being https://t.co/cHPeCw5JgV | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux approach to human and ecosystem well-being | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up | Nov 25 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the hype on Linux https://t.co/0vWIR19brt | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD's Radeon Software Crimson doesn't live up to the hype on Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Nov 25 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gh6WJgNSJH (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cloudy Issues and the Perfect Distro | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, | Nov 25 19:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is No Longer Active https://t.co/0exYoWvmWT | Nov 25 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is No Longer Active | Tux Machines | Nov 25 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader | Nov 25 20:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Forked from gummiboot https://t.co/UBloF0giL0 | Nov 25 20:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader Forked from gummiboot | Tux Machines | Nov 25 20:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Yorba Group, Developers of Geary and Shotwell, Is...' | Nov 25 20:00 | |
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| schestowitz | I can't decrypt for some reason... | Nov 25 20:08 |
| schestowitz | PGP failing on me | Nov 25 20:08 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Is Getting Its Own UEFI Boot Loader...' | Nov 25 20:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Nov 25 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MFFlbd9hVB (fossforce.com) | Nov 25 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Will Steam Machine Solve Linux's Gaming Woes? | FOSS Force | Nov 25 20:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Adlink’s rugged, Linux-friendly “CM1-86DX3” | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PC/104 SBC is built with DMP’s new dual-core" | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zVewklLZQy (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 25 20:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Rugged, legacy PC/104 SBC taps dual-core Vortex86DX3 SoC · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1YMsnFtoiz (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 25 20:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Wayland Protocols v1.0 Released - Phoronix | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot Tour | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/y5brnFy2cX | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxscreenshots.org) | Nov 25 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CuEWLJSk9X (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 25 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org | KaOS 2015.11 Screenshot Tour | Nov 25 20:34 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Beautiful KaOS 2015.11 Is Out with KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Frameworks 5.16 | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669613776904171520 | Nov 25 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz More timy pieces of the #snitchocracy / #snatchocracy / DEFECT QUAGMIRE that must be entirely drained. https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe | Nov 25 20:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6 | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669614226969722880 | Nov 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you were the one who said that software is math but you can't solve any software program. You just don't get it. | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669614412177608709 | Nov 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog that's hilarious! I guess he never looked at the source code for any server software that actually serves up pages | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | he thinks markup is a program | Nov 25 20:35 |
| cubexyz | oh no, not this again :) | Nov 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I worry too | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/669614661709332480 | Nov 25 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz “Customer security and privacy is a top concern and priority for Dell." --Dell https://t.co/GmmPlJ0e4Z | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com | Dell Compromises Customers' Security with Pre-Installed Rootkit - Breitbart | Nov 25 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/669616093728632832 | Nov 25 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @ipwatchdog probably thinks that writing apps actually work like pen/paper too :/ | Nov 25 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669616763978383360 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617147941793792 | Nov 25 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Look, you are ignorant and lie. You refuse to solve ANY programc bc you can't. You twist and lie. Webpage is software. | Nov 25 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Why won't you solve a program if software is math? Why do you always have to lie about what I say? Are you that ignorant? | Nov 25 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | webpage markup is input, not a program | Nov 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | php and apache, firefox etc. are programs | Nov 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618051445211136 | Nov 25 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Nov 25 20:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Ignorant software patent critic @schestowitz announces proudly that website code is NOT software. Apparently HTML and PHP are hardware. LOL | Nov 25 20:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 | Nov 25 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Great @schestowitz . If PHP is a software program and software is math then you can solve PHP. Can't wait for you to solve PHP. LOL. | Nov 25 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618725864103936 | Nov 25 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What is the solution for PHP @schestowitz ? What is the solution for Apache or Firefox? If they're software and software is math then solve. | Nov 25 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | sigh | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | waste of time | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: you're right | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | waste of time again | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855313 | Nov 25 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers making stuff up https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669617638658564097 I can too. Patent lawyer admits stopping violence against wife. | Nov 25 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855328 | Nov 25 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyer says "a software program" https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669618373970411520 George Bush said "the Google" | Nov 25 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619049408524288 | Nov 25 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: The funny thing is @schestowitz has boxed himself into a corner. He can't solve software because software is not math. Exposed as ignorant! | Nov 25 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | php is a program. You give it input and it gives output (the solution) | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619668450017281 | Nov 25 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: What happened to the conversation about software @schestowitz ? You lost software is math argument so now you want to talk about program? | Nov 25 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669619875631906816 | Nov 25 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: You said software is math, but you can't solve software, so that means it isn't math. You lie and misdirect bc you are wrong. @schestowitz | Nov 25 20:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669620933238222848 https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669621337862770688 | Nov 25 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: . @schestowitz Been fun proving software is not math, you can't solve any software and generally exposing you as ignorant. Thanks for laugh. | Nov 25 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Wow. What a ridiculous way to try and make a point… | Nov 25 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | he said that I said something I hadn't said, then deleted his tweet | Nov 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855364 https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6855378 | Nov 25 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Explaining software to non-technical #patent lawyers is a lot like trying to explain Evolution to dyed-in-the-wool Theists Waste of time. | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #patent lawyers who never wrote a computer program lecturing others about #swpats is like Theists saying "you think we came from monkeys?" | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832 https://twitter.com/iamgotlieb/status/669622512867766273 | Nov 25 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQF | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by AnonyOps) | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@byHoRRoR: AnonyOps : RT schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fin… https://t.co/GSuPQjstgZ) https://t.co/1D0cBCNVQF | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iamgotlieb: #Dell you fat fool. #Privacy https://t.co/ZQY7YjDYPL | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Undercoverinfo1/status/669622842875633664 | Nov 25 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Undercoverinfo1: @schestowitz @AnonyOps Another reason not to purchase device under one's own name or pay by card/cheque, or register support etc | Nov 25 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/byHoRRoR/status/669622470702456832 | Nov 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pandymonium01/status/669623486332010497 | Nov 25 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pandymonium01: This will interest you @schestowitz https://t.co/yzTuuwzIld | Nov 25 21:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musalbas: The page that Dell is linking customers to learn about the recent security issue, itself has a security issue... https://t.co/Y9f0sFDIeW | Nov 25 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rmdcltch/status/669623733707866112 | Nov 25 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rmdcltch: @schestowitz Ok. But you could have used another example of a made up statement. That's all. | Nov 25 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | it's the "have you stopped beating up your wife?" classic | Nov 25 21:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agedchild003/status/669626144321355776 | Nov 25 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agedchild003: Dell computers bundled with that blurts fingerprint to websites shame on https://t.co/GR1ugr7uVk | Nov 25 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/some-end-of-year-reading.html?showComment=1448485773696 | Nov 25 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Some end-of-year reading ... | Nov 25 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | " It occurs to me that a book written by a European patent attorney and entitled EPC Law for patent professionals in the USA, one that is a quick and focused read, and cheap, might sell quite well in the USA and prove to be of huge benefit on both sides of the Atlantic. Does such a book exist I wonder." | Nov 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/the-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1448480415214 | Nov 25 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: The European Patent Office [ http://ur1.ca/obmc0 ] | Nov 25 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | Troll: | Nov 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | "We see these days the union guys e-mailing and tweeting and texting so much, will it this time be a massive flash mob dance, a graffiti attack or EPO flags replaced by pirate flags as a new fresh surprise? ….VP1 is getting bored!! " | Nov 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/why-enlarged-board-rejected-ac-in.html?showComment=1448479353640 | Nov 25 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Why the Enlarged Board rejected the AC in September [ http://ur1.ca/obmc3 ] | Nov 25 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, you have to be a bit careful about how you word something, and avoid accusations, but merely stick to facts in the public domain (damning enough). Could someone please let me know where it is said that you are not allowed to contact your delegate? I'm sure BB does not like it, but that is not the same as it being against the Service Regulations. I have already done so a while ago on another matter. So far no comeback. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm doing it and I'll let you know if there are any consequences. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | By the way, where are the patent attorneys in all this? They, or their professional organizations, should get active. Politicians cannot ignore representatives of industry as easily as they can civil servants. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 21:30 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A program is a set of symbolic logic implications (imperative statements), but it cannot be solved until it is fused with the set of SL implications representing the functioning of a computer. | Nov 25 21:38 |
| msb__ | When that is done, the result is a sequence of symbols representing the output of the program. | Nov 25 21:39 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: So a program can be considered to be data for a computer. | Nov 25 21:40 |
| msb__ | Or a program can be considered to be an incomplete set of SL statements (expressions) until it is fused with the | Nov 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | data cannot be sent to a processor | Nov 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | this is why some objects are executable | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | and others are not | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | some are instructions | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | some just input | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | to operate on | Nov 25 21:42 |
| msb__ | SL representing the operation of the computer. | Nov 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669632387031162880 | Nov 25 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Has the decision been published? I thought they had decided to publish it. | Nov 25 21:43 | |
| schestowitz | the lawyers' association? | Nov 25 21:43 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Go back to the fundamentals of CS -- LISP. A LISP program can be seen as data for a LISP interpreter, or it can be seen as a higher-order processor that takes data of its own. It is both. | Nov 25 21:47 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A program is a set of SL expressions that doesn't produce anything (can't be reduced) until it is fused with the SL expressions representing the computer. | Nov 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/danielnazer/status/669632986250260484 | Nov 25 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@danielnazer: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz What's the "solution" to the Axiom of Choice? The question is nonsensical. Does that mean the AC is not math? | Nov 25 21:49 | |
| msb__ | Likewise, a page of HTML doesn't produce anything until it is fused with an HTML interpreter program, fused with the SL representing the computer. | Nov 25 21:50 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: A page of HTML is a set of instructions for an HTML interpreter. | Nov 25 21:52 |
| msb__ | Interpreters take data which _are_ instructions (at a higher level than machine instructions). | Nov 25 21:53 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: So a page of HTML is a set of math expressions (data is a an expression which is a list of expressions), which is only complete (reducible) when fused with the SL representing an HTML interpreter program and a computer. | Nov 25 21:56 |
| msb__ | A program can be seen as instructions, or it can be seen as data for an interpreter (the computer). Both points of view are correct. | Nov 25 21:59 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: a program is math according to either point of view. | Nov 25 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The | Nov 25 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4 Kernel https://t.co/YfFskzab9a | Nov 25 22:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix | Nov 25 22:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The | Nov 25 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4 Kernel https://t.co/Z8b0vB8GEZ | Nov 25 22:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Continues To Focus On The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Tux Machines | Nov 25 22:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Nov 25 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9ftQKhKe9p (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 25 22:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Steam Machine Solve Linux’s Gaming Woes? | Tux Machines | Nov 25 22:00 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I got this understanding in my early teens when a friend showed me a book on LISP. | Nov 25 22:01 |
| msb__ | But I can express it more clearly now. | Nov 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669635397014659072 | Nov 25 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz The decision of the enlarged board. | Nov 25 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | The one 'leaked' last week? | Nov 25 22:02 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: LISP programs can modify themselves. So they are both instructions _and_ data. | Nov 25 22:05 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I wrote a bash program that takes any number of search strings and any number of "avoid" strings, and creates a pipeline of grep commands that emits all the pathnames under the current directory that contain all the search strings but none of the "avoid" strings. | Nov 25 22:08 |
| msb__ | It's very useful! | Nov 25 22:09 |
| msb__ | Programs that write programs are the luckiest programs in the world. 8^) | Nov 25 22:09 |
| msb__ | I should have said that after creating the pipeline, it executes it. | Nov 25 22:10 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: That pipeline string is both data -- created by the bash script -- and instructions -- executed by the bash script. | Nov 25 22:12 |
| msb__ | Likewise, every bash script is instructions, but also is data for the bash interpreter. It depends on which level you look at. | Nov 25 22:13 |
| msb__ | An HTML page _is_ math, but is incomplete until it is added to the expressions for the interpreter and computer. | Nov 25 22:15 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Why don't you tell this to that jerk who is arguing with you? | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: You're smart. Have you been reading what I've written? Isn't it true? | Nov 25 22:22 |
| msb__ | You go back early in CS. Do you understand the fundamentals of LISP? | Nov 25 22:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Syber discounted their Steam Machine line and | Nov 25 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | most are now sold out https://t.co/ScQ65M9d2B | Nov 25 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Syber discounted their Steam Machine line and most are now sold out | GamingOnLinux | Nov 25 22:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mini-review of physics puzzler Unmechanical: | Nov 25 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Extended, released for Linux on GOG and Steam | Nov 25 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Mini-review of physics puzzler Unmechanical: Extended, released for Linux on GOG and Steam | GamingOnLinux | Nov 25 22:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/AmMZ4cTOAa | Nov 25 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 25 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/669638241377759233 | Nov 25 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Yes, that one. Have there been others? | Nov 25 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tmoch28/status/669640989565460481 | Nov 25 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tmoch28: "Reeeeaal nice, clark" https://t.co/GYN3KTc7fw | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dell computers bundled with #backdoor that blurts #hardware fingerprint to websites https://t.co/crMe7yydAZ shame on #dell | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/seirdotmk/status/669645498098171904 | Nov 25 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@seirdotmk: Купујте Дел... https://t.co/UBhiJTYu5V | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PaulNemitz/status/669645718852935682 | Nov 25 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PaulNemitz: #EbenMoglen #Freedombox #cloud #logs #internet #freesoftware #opensource #freedom #privacy #surveillance #2010 https://t.co/ebAjOg88K2 | Nov 25 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moglen on low cost of storage and why the so-called 'cloud' is a disaster https://t.co/62dSrkgO09 epic talk, prophetic (before #nsa leaks) | Nov 25 22:49 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/briswe/status/669656009284145152 | Nov 25 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@briswe: This conversation is just 😅 https://t.co/s6SkKjGyYQ | Nov 25 23:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://t.co/wKOPhtxLJg what happens when non-programmers speak about software | Nov 25 23:26 | |
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| cubexyz | msb__, I found xlib programming to be fairly straightforward | Nov 26 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I find that younger developers are more KDE/QT or GTK oriented | Nov 26 01:04 |
| cubexyz | at least on the Linux side of things | Nov 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | The US and its allies have been using Islamic head-choppers/clit-cutters to wreck nations they couldn't control and enslave -- Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Serbia. That's as evil and stupid as it's possible to get. | Nov 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Thanks, I will check them all out. | Nov 26 01:06 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the 3d stuff I did was straight xlib: | Nov 26 01:07 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/archimedean.html | Nov 26 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubeman.org | The Archimedean Solids | Nov 26 01:07 | |
| cubexyz | I can't imagine doing that on the older computers I had... they were just too slow and had low resolution graphics | Nov 26 01:09 |
| msb__ | Nice! | Nov 26 01:11 |
| cubexyz | of course even the c64 would have been able to do some simple wireframe graphics | Nov 26 01:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855483 | Nov 26 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "what could be done with the £175 billion admitted cost of Trident, if we lived in a society with less crazed values" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/11/british-values/ | Nov 26 01:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » British Values | Nov 26 01:12 | |
| cubexyz | but the c64 didn't really have any built-in graphical functions to speak of | Nov 26 01:13 |
| msb__ | I hope Carl Sagan is sailing among the stars in a dodecahedron ship, smoking a joint. | Nov 26 01:14 |
| cubexyz | and "high resolution" was 320x200 with 2 colours | Nov 26 01:16 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that compares to the LINC :) | Nov 26 01:16 |
| msb__ | LINC was mono. | Nov 26 01:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854986 | Nov 26 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GNU org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnu-org-website-says-microsoft-s-software-is-malware-496689.shtml technically correct. #microsoft #windows | Nov 26 01:20 | |
| schestowitz | "They must know.' | Nov 26 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | GNU.org Website Says Microsoft's Software Is Malware | Nov 26 01:20 | |
| schestowitz | "de acuerdo con la fsf…" | Nov 26 01:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854814 | Nov 26 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I estimate that there are currently ~40 #epo stories in the pipeline and the queue grows bigger faster than I can 'pop' it. Keep it coming. | Nov 26 01:21 | |
| schestowitz | "Release them slowly, people has only so many fucks to give." | Nov 26 01:21 |
| schestowitz | My analysis and composition pace is limited also | Nov 26 01:21 |
| schestowitz | LOL, patent lawyer: https://twitter.com/MorinvillePaul/status/669689662370390017 | Nov 26 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MorinvillePaul: @CandidCanon @IAM_magazine @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Gene is understandibly showing his frustration with an entrenched imbicile. | Nov 26 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854759 | Nov 26 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trees are bald, everywhere it's cold, and all I have left are my cups of tea. Not sure whether to write many #epo articles or #freesw links | Nov 26 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | "EPO? Like the stuff Lance Armstrong took to win the tours?" | Nov 26 01:33 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office | Nov 26 01:33 |
| MinceR | 6:) | Nov 26 01:33 |
| MinceR | s/6// | Nov 26 01:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6854796 | Nov 26 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too tired for writing. So focus will be on #gnu #linux - day off tomorrow, so plenty of time to work on #epo articles! | Nov 26 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | "👍" | Nov 26 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "yeah, solving a webpage is simple. That’s why everyone does it simply." | Nov 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz | https://medium.com/medium-eng/why-contenteditable-is-terrible-122d8a40e480#.i3bs72fss | Nov 26 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Why ContentEditable is Terrible — Medium Engineering — Medium | Nov 26 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6855102 | Nov 26 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent lawyers on 'solving' a web page. https://twitter.com/ipwatchdog/status/669584590164484096 what happens when non-programmers speak about software | Nov 26 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ipwatchdog: Funny how programmers always say software is math but they can't ever solve or reduce a simple webpage or software program of their choice. | Nov 26 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6853666 | Nov 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz | "I like the bastards part." | Nov 26 01:36 |
| cubexyz | can I ban ipwatchdog? :) | Nov 26 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Nov 26 01:37 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah | Nov 26 01:37 |
| schestowitz | from where? | Nov 26 01:37 |
| cubexyz | my screen :) | Nov 26 01:37 |
| cubexyz | I think if I see "solve a web page" one more time my brain will explode | Nov 26 01:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 26 01:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KevinCarson1/status/669628630100676608 https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669690492032913408 | Nov 26 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KevinCarson1: How the Gates Foundation Fucks Up Everything It Touches https://t.co/r7RkFaor1N | Nov 26 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | How the Gates Foundation Reflects the Good and the Bad of “Hacker Philanthropy” | Nov 26 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 I think @schestowitz would like this. Although your tweet would be an apt title for the article. | Nov 26 01:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/669692388944707585 | Nov 26 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used. | Nov 26 01:47 | |
| cubexyz | programming is problem solving also | Nov 26 01:47 |
| MinceR | would be nice if they didn't try to make the gate$ foundation look like it has anything to do with hackers | Nov 26 01:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/azurelogicapp/status/669693138131251200 | Nov 26 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@azurelogicapp: @KevinCarson1 @schestowitz "performance-based teacher pay" That is just like the failed performance pay idea that Microsoft used. | Nov 26 01:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/6YVcTEePxQ' | Nov 26 02:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 26 02:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android and Nexus Twitter Accounts Tease Black | Nov 26 02:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Friday Deals https://t.co/joL0pbxy5J | Nov 26 02:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Android and Nexus Twitter Accounts Tease Black Friday Deals | Droid Life | Nov 26 02:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Introducing the Fedora Cinnamon Spin | Nov 26 02:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Introducing the Fedora Cinnamon Spin | Tux Machines | Nov 26 02:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, | Nov 26 02:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snapcraft 2.0 In Plan for Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 26 02:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Snapcraft 0.5 Is Out for Snappy Ubuntu 15.04, Snapcraft 2.0 In Plan for Ubuntu 16.04 | Tux Machines | Nov 26 02:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackArch Linux ISO Images Updated with Over | Nov 26 02:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 100 New Tools, Multilib Support | Nov 26 02:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BlackArch Linux ISO Images Updated with Over 100 New Tools, Multilib Support | Tux Machines | Nov 26 02:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My Open Source Thanksgiving List: Wine, | Nov 26 02:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Netflix, OpenWrt and More | Nov 26 02:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My Open Source Thanksgiving List: Wine, Netflix, OpenWrt and More | Tux Machines | Nov 26 02:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Evolution Email Client Now Follows the | Nov 26 02:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Evolution Email Client Now Follows the Notification Settings of GNOME Shell | Tux Machines | Nov 26 02:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 26 03:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be the | Nov 26 05:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | World's First $8 Computer | Nov 26 05:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux-Powered C.H.I.P. Tiny SBC Will be the World's First $8 Computer | Tux Machines | Nov 26 05:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based on | Nov 26 05:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3 | Nov 26 05:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CruxEX 3.2 64-bit Linux Live OS Is Based on CRUX 3.2, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.3 | Tux Machines | Nov 26 05:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap | Nov 26 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Architecture, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Nov 26 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Snappy 16.04 LTS Will Use a New All-Snap Architecture, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Nov 26 12:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes | Nov 26 12:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Krita 2.9 Animation Edition Beta Is Out, Download Now for Ubuntu and Windows | Nov 26 12:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Krita 2.9 Animation Edition In Beta, Takes Advantage...' | Nov 26 13:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch | Nov 26 13:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 38.4.0 to Patch High and Critical Security Issues | Nov 26 13:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/669863942840295427 | Nov 26 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz We've had Win 10 IoT running on PIs, just for shits and giggles, but ofc it's a very different beast to full fat. | Nov 26 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nokia’s first flagship Android phone | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XQNQg6Cwjl (bgr.com) back to | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux? https://t.co/a6y3455Kdp (techrights.org) | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnre | Nov 26 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Nokia C1 rumors: Questionable render pops up, shows Android and Win10 | BGR | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SnFPbAw0kQ (blog.qt.io) | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnrf | Nov 26 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released - Qt Blog | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PozRpl4twd (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnrg | Nov 26 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a | Nov 26 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | seasoned Arch user? https://t.co/nD6qFzvnEE | Nov 26 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.itworld.com) | Nov 26 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnrh | Nov 26 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is openSUSE Tumbleweed good enough for a seasoned Arch user? | ITworld | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/669872249806200832 | Nov 26 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/AysUh0Xn0W https://t.co/lKEVSvu66l | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Opensource.com thanks the open source community | Opensource.com | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 5 big reasons the #Opensource dot com team is thankful https://t.co/GARtEQqtKs | Nov 26 13:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669874132096446465 | Nov 26 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: I'm running #GOME3 on #Debian Sid w/o #systemd—using placebo 'systemd-shims'—all as placebo for @_Enlightenment_ ;-) https://t.co/HIuXgJ4VpR | Nov 26 13:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Will You Be Able To Run a Modern Desktop Environment In 2016 Without Systemd? https://t.co/kD0N3NDtm4 #systemd #redhat | Nov 26 13:47 | |
| cubexyz | answer: yes | Nov 26 13:48 |
| msb_ | Devuan and Trinity, hopefully. | Nov 26 13:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux MX-15 in Beta 2 will ship in 32 and 64 | Nov 26 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | bit versions. https://t.co/2KEm8wUTFn | Nov 26 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.mepiscommunity.org) | Nov 26 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vP0FwizCry | Nov 26 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mepiscommunity.org | MX Linux | MX & Mepis Community | Nov 26 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk) | Nov 26 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnsj | Nov 26 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxmigrante.blogspot.co.uk | La Esquina de un Migrante a Linux: Good News! | Nov 26 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nokia’s first flagship Android phone | Nov 26 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Nov 26 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jRcS1Md3E6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnsp | Nov 26 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nokia’s first flagship Android phone purportedly revealed in leaked photo | Tux Machines | Nov 26 13:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Nov 26 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OOn0Wz6Dbp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnsr | Nov 26 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Creator 3.6 RC1 released | Tux Machines | Nov 26 13:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.html | Nov 26 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | "https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml#comments" | Nov 26 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: EPO labor dispute getting completely out of hand: three union leaders suspended, others pressured | Nov 26 14:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 26 14:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Nov 26 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | and let's not forget the suicides... | Nov 26 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/08/27/epo-suicides-endemic/ | Nov 26 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Another Suicide at the EPO, Fifth by Our Count | Techrights | Nov 26 14:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669878619343319040 | Nov 26 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Mind you, it might be my first thanksgiving. Because of the turkey of course. (oh well, poor animals...). | Nov 26 14:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I consider becoming vegan | Nov 26 14:15 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/669879322316922880 | Nov 26 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Same here. Ppl from #Chicomoztocah [7 Caves] don't celebrate that; #huexolotl ['turkey'] is just part of foodstuff: https://t.co/hKAQ7eGZRi | Nov 26 14:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We don't celebrate #thanksgiving here, but this morning we had some turkey for breakfast. A little symbolic. Bought it last night. | Nov 26 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Nov 26 14:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3FkvbfKPo3 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 14:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnuk | Nov 26 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Unity 8 Custom Theme Is Being Built | Tux Machines | Nov 26 14:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Nov 26 14:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MSJjquiwzM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 14:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnul | Nov 26 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pi Zero in the News (so far this morning) | Tux Machines | Nov 26 14:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Nov 26 14:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kaB2pPve56 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 14:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnum | Nov 26 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch and Tumbleweed, Running Sans Systemd | Tux Machines | Nov 26 14:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/669884640459624449 | Nov 26 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Just wait... he's gonna get out of the bloody car at some point anyway, right? | Nov 26 15:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | He has too high a view of himself | Nov 26 15:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VH1jMCzksO (techrights.org) | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnx3 | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/lzkhxO09Ir | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnx4 | Nov 26 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/11/2015: The $5 Raspberry Pi Zero, Running Sans Systemd Gets Hard | Techrights | Nov 26 15:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/hH9prCOb7x | Nov 26 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnx8 | Nov 26 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/o1WJ6fITQw | Nov 26 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnxu | Nov 26 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Nov 26 15:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/C9OCaCynSL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnxv | Nov 26 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Cinnamon | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines French public sector still a large user of Free | Nov 26 15:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software (PAC) https://t.co/AzjZKdI51m | Nov 26 15:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 15:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obnxw | Nov 26 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | French public sector still a large user of Free Software (PAC) | Tux Machines | Nov 26 15:20 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 26 18:19 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 26 18:19 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 26 18:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/669943226539876352 | Nov 26 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @ipwatchdog @schestowitz Software is algorithms, you pass values into the algorithms to get the Solutions!!!!! @danielnazer | Nov 26 18:48 | |
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| MinceR | https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12278917_1696176237281352_6433014407762370004_n.jpg?oh=0480eeabb922a7571d26fc5786dd5c2a&oe=56F6EA93 | Nov 26 19:25 |
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| r_schestowitz | Putitin in the turkey | Nov 26 19:27 |
| MinceR | don't putitin the turkey, that's gross | Nov 26 19:29 |
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| msb_ | According to RT, Russian aircraft pounded the Turkmen (sp?) head-chopper allies of Turkey who fired on the SU-24 pilots in their chutes and blew up a Russian rescue helicopter using an American TOW missile. | Nov 26 19:41 |
| MinceR | and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sun | Nov 26 19:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Nov 26 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Samsung 850 SSDs https://t.co/0fCYdmSpBw | Nov 26 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 26 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oboe8 | Nov 26 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel On Samsung 850 SSDs - Phoronix | Nov 26 19:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping | Nov 26 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sZoNNWLXW5 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oboe9 | Nov 26 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 19:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features Planned https://t.co/bRV89ImHoc | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 26 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oboea | Nov 26 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of Features Planned | Nov 26 19:48 | |
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| msb__ | Hmm, #techrights disappeared for 20 minutes, but now it's back. Anyone else see that? | Nov 26 20:06 |
| msb__ | Perhaps when MinceR's North Koreans landed on the surface of the Sun, it caused a tremendous disturbance in the Force. | Nov 26 20:11 |
| r_schestowitz | the channel? | Nov 26 20:12 |
| msb__ | Yes, the #techrights IRC channel. | Nov 26 20:12 |
| MinceR | freenode seems to be having issues | Nov 26 20:13 |
| r_schestowitz | there was a netsplit earlier | Nov 26 20:13 |
| r_schestowitz | affected all channels | Nov 26 20:13 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:46] <MinceR> and according to north korea, they landed an astronaut on the surface of the sun | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think I ever saw English-speaking nkorean media | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | I may have seen just one, but that was a very long time ago | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | [19:29] <MinceR> don't putitin the turkey, that's gross | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | Put it in the hog instead | Nov 26 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | !google cameron pig | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Piggate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - David Cameron publicly denies Lord Ashcroft pig allegation for first ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/27/david-cameron-denies-lord-ashcroft-allegations-call-me-dave-dead-pig | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cameron's Pig (@CameronPig) | Twitter | https://twitter.com/cameronpig%3Flang%3Den | Nov 26 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Why Your David Cameron Pig Joke Is Completely Missing the Point ... | http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/09/david-cameron-pig-piers-gaveston | Nov 26 20:15 |
| msb__ | IRC got kinda funky for me a couple of months and has stayed that way. Now all channels show "lag unknown" instead of giving lag in milliseconds. | Nov 26 20:15 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe irc client issues | Nov 26 20:15 |
| r_schestowitz | mine shows lag | Nov 26 20:15 |
| msb__ | I've been using konversation 1.3.1 from kde 4.6 for years. Haven't changed it. Have restarted it many times. Could be my ISP Comcast. | Nov 26 20:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Nov 26 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/TvkiROog5h (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 26 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obogd | Nov 26 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:19 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @HardwareNewz followed @tuxmachines | Nov 26 20:19 | |
| cubexyz | hmm, seems to work OK for me | Nov 26 20:20 |
| cubexyz | aside from the usual net splits | Nov 26 20:20 |
| msb__ | Momentarily showed lag 177ms, then switched back to lag unknown. | Nov 26 20:20 |
| cubexyz | no interruptions for me so far | Nov 26 20:20 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, yes now I see it | Nov 26 20:21 |
| cubexyz | just wasn't looking at the screen during that time | Nov 26 20:21 |
| cubexyz | there was a net split | Nov 26 20:21 |
| cubexyz | ok.. it's official... longest uptime ever for FC1: 384 days | Nov 26 20:22 |
| cubexyz | that passes my openbsd record of 382 days | Nov 26 20:23 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: I was actually going to phone you up, but then the channel came back. | Nov 26 20:24 |
| msb__ | I'd like to see a picture of your lab, showing all the computers. | Nov 26 20:25 |
| cubexyz | they aren't all in the same room :) | Nov 26 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dying Light's DLC The Following will be on | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, price set to rise soon | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| cubexyz | anyways there just a bunch of boring towers and desktops | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Samsung 850 SSDs https://t.co/kKRzRcoAeH | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Btrfs RAID Benchmarks With The Linux 4.4 Kernel On Samsung 850 SSDs | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OTA-9 Update for Ubuntu Touch Has a Lot of | Nov 26 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features Planned https://t.co/2SfsqrY8YH | Nov 26 20:26 |
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| cubexyz | the only semi-interesting thing is q4os | Nov 26 20:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-trinity-2015.png | Nov 26 20:30 |
| cubexyz | or KDE with plan9: | Nov 26 20:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-with-plan9.png | Nov 26 20:32 |
| msb__ | I envision a central cockpit with a hydraulic power-chair and about nine 36" screens. | Nov 26 20:32 |
| cubexyz | the reality is somewhat more mundane | Nov 26 20:33 |
| cubexyz | you're still thinking about The Matrix :) | Nov 26 20:34 |
| msb__ | Or a B5 WhiteStar. | Nov 26 20:34 |
| cubexyz | the boring reality: | Nov 26 20:39 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/boring-computer-setup.png | Nov 26 20:40 |
| cubexyz | ssh into 6 machines, along with the chromebook, zaurus, amiga, and another stack of machines which are either broken or even more obsolete | Nov 26 20:41 |
| cubexyz | there's a whole room just filled with parts | Nov 26 20:42 |
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| msb__ | Someone should create Vorlon Linux. Infinitely powerful, but behind its Encounter Shell no one knows exactly what it's doing. | Nov 26 20:45 |
| cubexyz | a pity I didn't keep the 286 | Nov 26 20:47 |
| cubexyz | but it would just be another boring box | Nov 26 20:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/futuretron-286.jpg | Nov 26 20:48 |
| cubexyz | only $2646 :) | Nov 26 20:48 |
| cubexyz | makes me wonder how much motherboards cost back in 1986 | Nov 26 20:50 |
| msb__ | When a dollar was worth a lot more than it is today. | Nov 26 20:50 |
| msb__ | I remember seeing ads like that, or very similar. | Nov 26 20:51 |
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| msb__ | Back then a 286 was state of the art. Probably as powerful as a good-size PDP-11, but much cheaper. | Nov 26 20:54 |
| msb__ | IBM was still revealing the BIOS code for its 286s. | Nov 26 20:55 |
| cubexyz | 8 mhz 286 with hercules graphics, I thought it was decent at the time | Nov 26 20:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping | Nov 26 20:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Nov 26 20:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Denmark’s Second Largest City, Aarhus, Dropping Microsoft's Products for Open Source | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest on Raspberry Pi Zero | Tux Machines | Nov 26 20:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/669981321456914432 | Nov 26 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: yes, I was struck by this too...sad; I used to respect the Guardian's journos...no one much left now https://t.co/5bbDaIXtOw | Nov 26 21:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #uk | Nov 26 21:01 | |
| cubexyz | for a comparison, a PPD-11/34 could do 495 drystones/sec | Nov 26 21:01 |
| cubexyz | that's a bit worse than a 286 :) | Nov 26 21:02 |
| cubexyz | a 6 mhz 286 could do 684 drystones/sec | Nov 26 21:02 |
| cubexyz | DEC got clobbered in that department | Nov 26 21:02 |
| msb__ | What did an 11/34 cost? | Nov 26 21:03 |
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| cubexyz | a PDP-11/73 with a KDJ11 15 mhz could do 981 dry/s | Nov 26 21:03 |
| cubexyz | the PDP-11/34 would be around $30K | Nov 26 21:05 |
| msb__ | And a 11/73? | Nov 26 21:05 |
| cubexyz | but remember that was back in 1976 | Nov 26 21:05 |
| cubexyz | ummm | Nov 26 21:07 |
| msb__ | I think an 11/70 was at least $100K. I remember being ushered in to see one used for molecular modelling. | Nov 26 21:08 |
| cubexyz | you could get the smaller microPDP-11/73 so I think the price was a lot lower | Nov 26 21:08 |
| cubexyz | maybe in the $20K range | Nov 26 21:08 |
| cubexyz | can't remember the prices on PDP-11/70 but yes, they were expensive | Nov 26 21:09 |
| cubexyz | but before the 1980s the PDP-11s were more viable | Nov 26 21:10 |
| cubexyz | in 1975-76 there was no microcomputers that could do what a PDP-11/70 could do | Nov 26 21:11 |
| msb__ | I think it was used for processing X-ray diffraction films of protein crystals, to determine the structure of protein molecules. Very important for molecular biology. People could figure out exactly how enzymes worked. | Nov 26 21:11 |
| msb__ | That's a Holy Grail of molecular biology. | Nov 26 21:12 |
| cubexyz | even now, a PDP-11/70 would cost some major bucks | Nov 26 21:12 |
| cubexyz | ok, by 1979 you could get a PDP-11/70 with 1 meg of ram for $43,700 | Nov 26 21:13 |
| msb__ | It had an enormous CRT display suspended from the ceiling. | Nov 26 21:13 |
| cubexyz | so there was a major price reduction | Nov 26 21:13 |
| cubexyz | original price: $93,000 so going over $100K would be easy with peripherals | Nov 26 21:13 |
| cubexyz | of course by 1979 you could get a VAX-11/780 instead | Nov 26 21:15 |
| msb__ | That was real Unix iron! | Nov 26 21:19 |
| cubexyz | I think the only PDP I ever used in a job was PDP-10 | Nov 26 21:19 |
| msb__ | Wonder how it compares with my dual core AMD from years ago, printed out like a postage stamp. | Nov 26 21:19 |
| cubexyz | even a DEC Alpha would have paled in comparison | Nov 26 21:20 |
| cubexyz | the old PDP-11s were just dinosaurs | Nov 26 21:21 |
| msb__ | But great instruction sets. | Nov 26 21:21 |
| cubexyz | vax780 was used by Bell Labs to make Unix v8 | Nov 26 21:22 |
| cubexyz | a microvax would be cool to have... someday I'll probably buy one :) | Nov 26 21:23 |
| cubexyz | but getting a working PDP-11/45 or PDP-11/70 would probably cost $3k to $5K | Nov 26 21:23 |
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| cubexyz | of course sometimes you can get lucky | Nov 26 21:25 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/669989241104048128 | Nov 26 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Being someone who has writen for Linux magazines for 15 years I can't argue with that. | Nov 26 21:25 | |
| cubexyz | someone gets tired of having all the old PDP-11s in the house and they will donate to some worthy successor | Nov 26 21:25 |
| msb__ | Those were the days of real computer/software engineering, like the race for the Moon. Now it's all "New Bullshit Linux 5.9 corrects 80,000 errors in KDE Plasma!" | Nov 26 21:25 |
| cubexyz | I still correct KDE errors :) | Nov 26 21:26 |
| cubexyz | just in old KDE though | Nov 26 21:26 |
| cubexyz | well a lot of the old Unix crowd is still around | Nov 26 21:27 |
| cubexyz | some of them are a bit anti-Linux actually | Nov 26 21:28 |
| cubexyz | but I heard Thompson uses Linux | Nov 26 21:29 |
| msb__ | I don't notice any KDE3 errors. Either I don't use those apps, or have substituted KDE4.6 versions, or I work around them without realizing it. | Nov 26 21:29 |
| cubexyz | some of the games have a few bugs, nothing serious | Nov 26 21:29 |
| msb__ | I can imagine old Unixers avoiding systemd! | Nov 26 21:30 |
| cubexyz | no doubt about that | Nov 26 21:31 |
| cubexyz | you can include me in that category :) | Nov 26 21:31 |
| msb__ | and me both. | Nov 26 21:31 |
| msb__ | The VUA in Devuan stands for Veteran Unix Admin. | Nov 26 21:33 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the old Unix folks went to BSD | Nov 26 21:35 |
| cubexyz | but there's more happening on the Linux side | Nov 26 21:36 |
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| cubexyz | I came out of video game/graphics development, so Linux was where there was more action | Nov 26 21:37 |
| cubexyz | there was some cross development to DEC Alpha and BSD but not very much | Nov 26 21:39 |
| cubexyz | Alpha and PPC | Nov 26 21:39 |
| cubexyz | that was back in 1999-2000 though... I haven't heard anything lately | Nov 26 21:39 |
| oiaohm | msb__: even the race to the moon was not without is computer issues. | Nov 26 21:40 |
| msb__ | Four major attacks on Linux, all around the same few years: 1. UEFI 2. systemd 3. SJWs 4. KDE4/5/Plasma with attacks on Trinity. "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_ What is _four_ times? | Nov 26 21:41 |
| oiaohm | Trinity really over time showed that the choice to major internal changes was kinda required. | Nov 26 21:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd would not have caused as much issue if consolekit/consolekit2 had been maintained. | Nov 26 21:44 |
| msb__ | The superb movie Apollo 13 (1995) shows a lot of computer stuff. | Nov 26 21:44 |
| oiaohm | Apollo 13 you have to remember that was the 13 mission. | Nov 26 21:45 |
| oiaohm | Scary enough every Apollo mission had something go wrong just Apollo 13 was the worst. | Nov 26 21:45 |
| oiaohm | UEFI has a long last started bring so Linux can update firmware. Before UEFI there were getting more and more motherboards where the only way to update firmware was boot to Windows. | Nov 26 21:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: My problem is before systemd and UEFI Linux was techically in trouble. Ok UEFI and Systemd have managed to bring as much trouble as they have fixed at this stage. | Nov 26 21:48 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: 1, no reason not to have qt3 and qt4 on the same machine 2. even just the init part of systemd is a godawful pile of shit http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ 3. my favorite mobo for an AMD 8-core can update (and download) firmware from/to a USB stick 4. Linux was not in trouble at all! 5. Who do you work for, anyhow? | Nov 26 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Nov 26 21:52 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: I did not say all motherboards had firmware update issues. Just we were getting more and more of them with Windows only Update programs. Some would support updating from USB key directly others did not. | Nov 26 21:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: UEFI 2.5 at long last defined a Universal interface for sending in new firmware. | Nov 26 21:57 |
| oiaohm | msb__: qt3 has a long list of security flaws linked to it. Unfortunatiy these are in fact design bugs that if you fix you break the old qt3 applications. | Nov 26 21:58 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So? Buy a good mobo or run a windows emulator to update the firmware. UEFI also prevented running Linux. Remember? | Nov 26 21:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: UEFI depends on the motherboard if it prevents Linux running or not. | Nov 26 21:58 |
| msb__ | qt3 works fine in KDE3, so if it's only used for that, no problem | Nov 26 21:59 |
| msb__ | Microsoft's _purpose_ in pushing UEFI was to prevent running Linux. Remember? | Nov 26 21:59 |
| oiaohm | qt3 single user on a system is fine. There is a issue with qt3 temp files. | Nov 26 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically qt3 based is screwed. | Nov 26 22:00 |
| msb__ | Strange that it works fine for me in kde3. | Nov 26 22:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: are you running multi user system requiring secuirity between them. | Nov 26 22:01 |
| msb__ | no, and neither are 99.9% of Linux users | Nov 26 22:01 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly the correct percentage. | Nov 26 22:02 |
| oiaohm | 80 percent of Linux desktop users are single. 20 percent shared setups. Schools/governments..... | Nov 26 22:02 |
| oiaohm | So there is quite a volume of Linux users effected by the qt3 issues. | Nov 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Trinity porting to qt4 for majority is one way of fixing the problem. | Nov 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | At times particularly libraries has to die. | Nov 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantly in the qt3 case it was a heavily used library. | Nov 26 22:04 |
| oiaohm | There are a few things about UEFI that are interesting. UEFI is design to allow multi OS to be installed. So no more MBR fight stupidity. | Nov 26 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Not everything about UEFI was about being in Microsoft favor msb__ | Nov 26 22:05 |
| oiaohm | In fact most of UEFI is not in Microsoft favor. | Nov 26 22:06 |
| msb__ | Just enough of it to kill Linux! | Nov 26 22:06 |
| oiaohm | Before UEFI signing there were motherboards that if they detected a MBR that was not Microsoft they did not boot either. | Nov 26 22:07 |
| oiaohm | Linux was at theat of not being able to boot with or without UEFI existance. | Nov 26 22:08 |
| oiaohm | At least UEFI has allowed open arguement about it. | Nov 26 22:08 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so like it or not before UEFI trouble for Linux had appeared. Remember the ACPI tables that Microsoft gave to OEM that were so far broken they did not even work with newer versions of Windows. | Nov 26 22:10 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I know its hard to accept but Microsoft is not trying to just kill Linux but its also been attempt to prevent users from using old Windows on newer hardware and new windows on older hardware. | Nov 26 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Most reason that Microsoft has not had perfect success is ODM not playing along. Linux issue is ODM don't play along with anyone perfectly. | Nov 26 22:13 |
| oiaohm | msb__: at the moment I work doing solution consolting and maintaince. | Nov 26 22:14 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: It's not hard to accept at all. But you're saying that UEFI is fine because it allows arguing, even though it prevents running Linux without getting a key from goddamn Microshit. You argue like a lawyer -- distracting people's attention from big important issues by mentioning little insignificant ones. I know you can argue for hours, but I am not going to play your game anymore. Goodbye. | Nov 26 22:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have UEFI motherboards where you don't need a key from Microsoft at all. | Nov 26 22:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: In fact they don't have the Microsoft KEK out the box you have to use the provided USB key to inload that before you can install Windows. | Nov 26 22:18 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Its ODM that define what default keys will be in there Motherboards. | Nov 26 22:19 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: It is necessary to think carefully and see around your lying propaganda to realize that in many UEFI mobos a key from MS IS necessary. | Nov 26 22:20 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sorry I am not lying. | Nov 26 22:22 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot | Nov 26 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.ubuntu.com | SecurityTeam/SecureBoot - Ubuntu Wiki | Nov 26 22:22 | |
| oiaohm | MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement. | Nov 26 22:22 |
| oiaohm | You can order boards from Intel and Gigabyte with your own private KEK installed and no Microsoft KEK at all. | Nov 26 22:23 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You are lying by giving incomplete facts, which give people wrong ideas unless they know what you have omitted.] | Nov 26 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | MS puff piece http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html?_r=0 | Nov 26 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/obop8 ] | Nov 26 22:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | I think I mentioned it last week | Nov 26 22:24 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So people who have already bought a computer with a MS key installed and not changeable will have to buy a new computer in order to run Linux. The LIE is that you did not mention that. | Nov 26 22:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: If you mean UEFI blobs for init hardware. From the start resigning them has always been possible. Later UEFI allows multi singing on blobs. | Nov 26 22:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: what you just said is the lie. | Nov 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MS Key is removable but you have todo it carefuly. | Nov 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | It simpler to start off with a system without the MS Key because you don't have the issue of UEFI hardware init blobs being MS signed. | Nov 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: also Microsoft has signed boot shims for Linux. So even if you don't add a Ubuntu/redhat/own KEK it still possible to boot Linux. | Nov 26 22:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-windows-8-uefi-platform/ Also there is something more fun. | Nov 26 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hansenpartnership.com | Owning your Windows 8 UEFI Platform | James Bottomley's random Pages [ http://ur1.ca/cxzfo ] | Nov 26 22:32 | |
| MinceR | 232253 < oiaohm> MS Key is not necessary in any UEFI motherobard once you do a key replacement. | Nov 26 22:32 |
| MinceR | assuming that they allow you to replace the keys | Nov 26 22:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: If you kill the UEFI pk setting the UEFI boot process no longer gives a rats abotu signing until it has a new PK. | Nov 26 22:32 |
| MinceR | and even if you can, it will probably still kill booting from removable devices | Nov 26 22:33 |
| MinceR | who needs that, right? | Nov 26 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: removing the PK and disabling signing completely does not remove boot options. | Nov 26 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/article/do-it-pros-work-too-much-survey-says-yes/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 | Nov 26 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Do IT pros work too much? Survey says 'Yes' | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/oboq5 ] | Nov 26 22:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Offshoring, automation, staff cuts, and long hours all combine to make for some very disgruntled workers in the IT business. To say that IT staffers are overworked is somewhat of an understatement. We've known it for years, but now we have the numbers to prove it. Spiceworks conducted a survey of IT pros that helps shed some light onto what's going on in IT." | Nov 26 22:34 |
| MinceR | well, i've read about at least one uefi implementation where just enabling Restricted Boot is sufficient to make it forbid booting from a removable device | Nov 26 22:34 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder if there's any guarantee that booting winblows just once on a uefi appliance won't be able to fuck up your key and place its own in its place | Nov 26 22:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot enabled restricted boot if the UEFI Motherboard has it PK cleared. | Nov 26 22:34 |
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| oiaohm | To enable restricted boot the board has to be Keyed. | Nov 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | and what about uefi implementations where you can't disable restricted boot? | Nov 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | (the ones m$ is preparing for with its vista10 logo requirements) | Nov 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/0jUrYcA.jpg | Nov 26 22:36 |
| oiaohm | To be correct windows 10 requirements is that restricted boot is on. Not that the motherboard cannot have restricted boot disabled. | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | then there were those "funny" uefi "computers" where you had to disconnect the hdd to even make it let you enter the uefi setup | Nov 26 22:37 |
| oiaohm | The process of updating the PK requires going to no key state. | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | yes, and previous requirements were that it must be possible to disable it | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | the only possible reason to remove that requirement is so that they can make "computers" where you can't disable it | Nov 26 22:37 |
| MinceR | and the next step will be to do what they did on arm: make it impossible to disable | Nov 26 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Even arm UEFI it possible to disable PK | Nov 26 22:38 |
| MinceR | sounds like it's impossible to update the PK | Nov 26 22:38 |
| MinceR | how do they get the vista8 sticker on those, then? | Nov 26 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note not being able to disable secureboot is one thing and deleting PK is another. | Nov 26 22:43 |
| oiaohm | There are some ASUS motherboards that show no disable option for secureboot but include an option to delete the PK that turns all signing off. | Nov 26 22:43 |
| MinceR | the better to screw the users | Nov 26 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much. | Nov 26 22:45 |
| oiaohm | It tricks users that secureboot cannot be turned off because while the MS KEK is installed they show the secureboot option as on and greyed out on disabling. | Nov 26 22:46 |
| oiaohm | After you nuke and replace the PK and KEK's with your own secureboot gets back its on off switch. | Nov 26 22:47 |
| oiaohm | and of course then ASUS will not back waranity. | Nov 26 22:47 |
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| MinceR | so asus screws pc users like they screw telephone and tablet users | Nov 26 22:50 |
| MinceR | classy | Nov 26 22:50 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not really. | Nov 26 22:51 |
| oiaohm | https://www.all4os.com/windows/disable-asus-motherboards-uefi-secure-boot.html | Nov 26 22:51 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Asus does include means to load in own PK and KEKs after you have nuked them. | Nov 26 22:52 |
| MinceR | but they terminate your warranty | Nov 26 22:52 |
| MinceR | just like they do on the Transformer Pad | Nov 26 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Depending on country. | Nov 26 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Australia we have fair trade protection. | Nov 26 22:53 |
| oiaohm | So they have to prove that the modification caused the failure. | Nov 26 22:53 |
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| oiaohm | Other countries not so lucky. | Nov 26 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Newer UEFI motherboards are getting better on including PK/KEK replacement tools. | Nov 26 22:54 |
| MinceR | and they're getting worse on letting the user easily disable restricted boot | Nov 26 22:55 |
| oiaohm | I kinda agree. Removing the PK has the same functional resualt of disabling restricted boot. | Nov 26 22:55 |
| oiaohm | The issue of course is Windows 10 is not going to boot without restricted boot. | Nov 26 22:56 |
| oiaohm | If it was installed with restricted boot. | Nov 26 22:56 |
| oiaohm | No valid PK equals no KEK's so system boots without doing any signature checking. | Nov 26 22:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note secureboot on off switch was not part of UEFI standard. The standard from the start to disable UEFI secure boot was remove PK. | Nov 26 22:58 |
| MinceR | fuck the standard | Nov 26 22:58 |
| MinceR | also, fuck uefi | Nov 26 22:58 |
| MinceR | i didn't ask to be locked out of the products i buy with my own money | Nov 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | You are not locked out as long as you can remove the PK | Nov 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | And replace it. | Nov 26 22:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long i will be allowed to do that | Nov 26 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Early UEFI ODM did not want you to be replacemnt PK at all. | Nov 26 23:01 |
| oiaohm | But of course Linux coders worked out how to make copies of the OEM key replacement tools. | Nov 26 23:01 |
| oiaohm | And the secureboot on/off option was that you could not replace the PK. | Nov 26 23:02 |
| oiaohm | By being able to replace the PK allows you to remove MS signing keys/any other signing keys and only allow items you approve of to run. | Nov 26 23:02 |
| MinceR | until most people get used to restricted boot and think the threat has passed | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | and then they take the next step | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | as usual | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | this is how they manipulate laws too | Nov 26 23:03 |
| MinceR | (acta, sopa, tpp, ...) | Nov 26 23:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember you use to have to use the boot program keytool to mess with the PK. | Nov 26 23:05 |
| MinceR | which you can't boot because the system is locked down | Nov 26 23:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: due to legal requirements Microsoft signed it. | Nov 26 23:06 |
| oiaohm | So even a locked down system it runs. | Nov 26 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Of course Microsoft did not sign it for arm. | Nov 26 23:06 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 26 23:07 |
| oiaohm | There are jtag was in on arm. | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | because the market of arm devices does not need to be a free one | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | let me guess... m$ can revoke that signature | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | and the revocation can be applied if someone boots winblows once, with an internet connection | Nov 26 23:07 |
| MinceR | or a new enough version that already knows it is to be revoked | Nov 26 23:08 |
| oiaohm | To be correct no if Microsoft puts out a revoke its a breach of competition law unless it a case that there is a newer version that Microsoft has already signed and the old version has some major flaw. | Nov 26 23:08 |
| MinceR | competition law, which is being enforced less and less | Nov 26 23:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem here is the ruling was granted. | Nov 26 23:09 |
| MinceR | did they get punished for vista10 changing default browser to ie and not letting other browsers change it? | Nov 26 23:09 |
| MinceR | antitrust law is practically unenforced in the usa and in the eu. | Nov 26 23:09 |
| MinceR | the world is getting planned economy back, but this time it's going to be ruled by megacorporations like microsoft. | Nov 26 23:10 |
| oiaohm | do check out newer UEFI x86 motherboards more carefully you will notice all of them include PK and KEK control options. | Nov 26 23:10 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes secureboot option gone, but the import key control given to end users. | Nov 26 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Most likely for even. | Nov 26 23:11 |
| MinceR | how does import work? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| MinceR | do i type in the key, or insert a storage device with it? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| MinceR | or i have to boot something that manipulates it? | Nov 26 23:11 |
| oiaohm | insert on storage device because it too long to type in. | Nov 26 23:12 |
| oiaohm | To be correct key insert and delete control given to users. | Nov 26 23:12 |
| MinceR | does it have to be exfat or can it be ordinary fat? | Nov 26 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Has to be fat | Nov 26 23:13 |
| oiaohm | exfat is not exceptable. | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | wow | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | they're seriously missing some opportunities to screw the user here | Nov 26 23:13 |
| oiaohm | fat has been defined as UEFI file system. | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, intel pretends uefi is not a m$ "technology" | Nov 26 23:13 |
| MinceR | yet it insists on FAT and PE | Nov 26 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 26 23:19 |
| oiaohm | FAT was choosen because OS X, Linux, BSD, Windows can read/write that file system perfectly fine. Yes the reason why exfat is not acceptable is not all OS can process it. | Nov 26 23:20 |
| oiaohm | PE intel looked the wine project and saw the elf-pe wrapper. | Nov 26 23:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the one that is so far Microsoft its annoying is the cab file to update firmware. | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | speaking of the alleged enforcement of alleged competition laws, were any computers ever sold with winblows xp n edition preinstalled? | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | anywhere at all | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | or even offered for sale | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you mean the only thing that annoys _you_ | Nov 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | i'm annoyed by being forced to build my system on quicksand | Nov 26 23:22 |
| MinceR | (shitty m$ "technologies") | Nov 26 23:22 |
| MinceR | and no, wine is not a good excuse | Nov 26 23:22 |
| MinceR | those are just excuses to favor the formats of the company that refuses to be compatible with anybody: microsoft. | Nov 26 23:23 |
| oiaohm | https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh973604%28v=vs.85%29.aspx | Nov 26 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-msdn.microsoft.com | UEFI Firmware Signing - Windows 10 hardware dev | Nov 26 23:23 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly why do I have to use a cab instead of zip file. | Nov 26 23:23 |
| MinceR | because everything has to be m$ | Nov 26 23:23 |
| MinceR | in the m$ world | Nov 26 23:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the efi files come back individually signed. | Nov 26 23:23 |
| MinceR | where the governments of the world hand all the market to m$ (maybe playing an act of giving a bit to crApple, as the token "competition") | Nov 26 23:24 |
| MinceR | this is not a free market | Nov 26 23:24 |
| MinceR | this is not a market economy | Nov 26 23:24 |
| MinceR | this is not "capitalism" | Nov 26 23:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember if Microsoft was not using EFI getting motherboards supporting EFI would not have happened either. | Nov 26 23:30 |
| MinceR | well, it's their train wreck | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | ODM have done horible things like broken ACPI and so on. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | and uefi | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | and tpm | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | and intel boot guard | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | UEFI from start include the idea person would install more than 1 OS. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | It does. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that's what m$' lawyers tell the court | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 26 23:31 |
| oiaohm | This is not MS Lawyers. | Nov 26 23:31 |
| MinceR | "you can install any OS you want, as long as it's windows" | Nov 26 23:32 |
| cubexyz | no BIOS source, no control of your own machine, it's that simple | Nov 26 23:32 |
| MinceR | it's worse than bios | Nov 26 23:33 |
| MinceR | especially bios versions before the war on the general purpose computer began | Nov 26 23:33 |
| MinceR | free enterprise... for the oligarchs and their friends | Nov 26 23:34 |
| MinceR | slavery for everyone else | Nov 26 23:34 |
| cubexyz | the only exception would be computers that predate BIOS like PDP-11 | Nov 26 23:36 |
| cubexyz | or a computer you built yourself from relays or TTL chips | Nov 26 23:36 |
| cubexyz | actually the older the BIOS the easier it is to understand | Nov 26 23:40 |
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| cubexyz | I've talked to AMI about orphan motherboards | Nov 26 23:51 |
| cubexyz | motherboards where the manufacturer is no longer in business | Nov 26 23:52 |
| cubexyz | they wanted $10K+ for the source code | Nov 26 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/infosecretwit/status/670027307487244288 | Nov 26 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@infosecretwit: The_Code_Shirts:RT schestowitz: #microsoft #skype not just nasty #spyware but #malware with back doors too. AVOID … https://t.co/i5emqpUij1 | Nov 26 23:55 | |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, hopefully the DOJ or Europeans will do another anti-trust case against Microsoft if things get worse | Nov 26 23:57 |
| MinceR | they never took such cases seriously | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | the EU valiantly forced m$ to offer versions of winblows without ie or media player... only as boxed versions (no preloads), for the same price | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | and practically nobody knew about it | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | the EU valiantly forced m$ to allow users to choose a browser to install and use | Nov 26 23:58 |
| MinceR | then m$ forced ie ("edge") as default in vista10 | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | and the EU said nothing about that | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | m$ was never seriously punished | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | practically no laptops are sold without winblows preinstalled in hungary | Nov 26 23:59 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks...? | Nov 26 23:59 |
| MinceR | there are 2 chromebook models offered | Nov 27 00:00 |
| cubexyz | the web browser selection thing was in win7 and win8? | Nov 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | not sure | Nov 27 00:02 |
| cubexyz | looks like all that is expired now | Nov 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | of course | Nov 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | m$ is above the law | Nov 27 00:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TheGuardian ’s Anti #Corbyn Campaign Plumbs New Depths https://t.co/r9rdfjv24Z #uk | Nov 27 09:37 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Some very important stuff about #epo to come out today (before noon). Stay tuned.... | Nov 27 09:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bounder: Interesting. We do hold our 'own side' to higher standards, but now all news content shorn of implied context? https://t.co/wofbRBZug6 | Nov 27 09:38 | |
| joelekstein | Hello TimeofIndia, Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss. The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http://digg.c | Nov 27 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/12/2014: Greg Kroah-Hartman Interview, Fedora 21 Imminent | Techrights | Nov 27 09:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fukitol.com | www.fukitol.com | Nov 27 09:39 | |
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| r_schestowitz | [09:38] <joelekstein> Hello TimeofIndia, Im an industry and writes about gadgets warranty, protection plan, insurance. I recently visited your site while browsing around the site ( Great content by the way, I have followed the site's twitter to get updates ) and I found a dead resource that visitors on your site will surely miss. The link on this page ( http://techrights.org/2014/12/08/fedora-21-imminent/ ) had this broken link ( http:// | Nov 27 10:46 |
| r_schestowitz | digg.co | Nov 27 10:46 |
| r_schestowitz | seems like spam | Nov 27 10:46 |
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| r_schestowitz | > Another week has passed. Any word from FSF or, more importantly, from | Nov 27 12:13 |
| r_schestowitz | > Red Hat? | Nov 27 12:13 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, I was going to write about it today, but 2 hours just wasted blocking effective DDOS attack from Baidu, so might not have time... | Nov 27 12:13 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/82909 | Nov 27 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu Stages De Facto DDOS Attacks | Tux Machines | Nov 27 12:13 | |
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| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership have you read this. | Nov 27 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership | Red Hat | Nov 27 12:23 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: --Neither company acknowledged the validity or enforceability of the other’s intellectual property; it is not a patent license or a covenant not to sue and no payment was made or will be made for intellectual property.-- | Nov 27 12:24 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: the redhat/Microsoft deal is nothing more than a limited cease fire. | Nov 27 12:24 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GreyBservices/status/670224315367882753 | Nov 27 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GreyBservices: @schestowitz didn't expect that such a huge amount could be spent by EPO on such cause. | Nov 27 13:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/670235241471176704 | Nov 27 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: #EPO panicking, spending absurd sums trying to put lipstick on a pig... https://t.co/WDnSrIAObx | Nov 27 13:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody Leaked: EPO Award of €880,000 “in Order to Address the Media Presence of the EPO” (Reputation Laundering) https://t.co/0p9SDcQbUu | Nov 27 13:46 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 27 19:10 | |
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| r_schestowitz | hey | Nov 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | r_schestowitz: hi | Nov 27 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | why the name difference change | Nov 27 19:21 |
| r_schestowitz | pc downstairs called "schestowitz" | Nov 27 19:22 |
| r_schestowitz | nick collision | Nov 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Nov 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | r_schestowitz: heh I wonder if I'll actusally get my Jolla tablet or not | Nov 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | they are having invester issues it seems | Nov 27 19:22 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah | Nov 27 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | brb | Nov 27 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | very busy at the moment, just got back home | Nov 27 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Nov 27 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | busy with what? | Nov 27 19:24 |
| r_schestowitz | EPO stuff | Nov 27 19:50 |
| r_schestowitz | articles.. | Nov 27 19:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What happened with Suse Linux Enterprise | Nov 27 20:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Server? https://t.co/1iQWzGKnIf | Nov 27 20:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 20:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqjl | Nov 27 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What happened with Suse Linux Enterprise Server? | Tux Machines | Nov 27 20:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines QA happenings, post-F23 https://t.co/ari5zdMwBD | Nov 27 20:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.happyassassin.net) | Nov 27 20:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqk3 | Nov 27 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/11/26/qa-happenings-post-f23/ ) | Nov 27 20:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Black Friday Deals: $50 Off For Nvidia | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shield Android TV With Free $50 Remote, Games | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Discounts https://t.co/hGZbBt5w2r | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqk4 | Nov 27 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Nvidia Black Friday Deals: $50 Off For Nvidia Shield Android TV With Free $50 Remote, Games With Discounts : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 27 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Friday Deals: 12 Android Games Available | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | at Deep Discounts https://t.co/bKcra4Xi9E | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Nov 27 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqk5 | Nov 27 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Black Friday Deals: 12 Android Games Available at Deep Discounts | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Nov 27 20:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “Today it is no longer sufficient to cover | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft…well-prepared IT professional needs | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to know about Linux” https://t.co/ZeQZRfh3xD | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.itweb.co.za) | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqm0 | Nov 27 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itweb.co.za | Education in crisis | ITWeb | Nov 27 21:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Android Inventory Management Software To | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Manage Your Stock https://t.co/aS0nGnyeNC | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (android.appstorm.net) | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqm1 | Nov 27 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android.appstorm.net | Best Android Inventory Management Software To Manage Your Stock « Android.AppStorm | Nov 27 21:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The goats have strayed into GNOME | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/m0QL4u4t1O | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (debarshiray.wordpress.com) "Here is a glimpse | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of what I have been doing lately." | Nov 27 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debarshiray.wordpress.com | The goats have strayed into GNOME | Debarshi's den | Nov 27 21:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqm2 | Nov 27 21:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kwort 4.3 released https://t.co/HoZEz0HHSd | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (kwort.org) | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqm9 | Nov 27 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kwort.org | Kwort Linux | HomePage | Nov 27 21:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines APT (Advanced Package Tool) 1.1 Is Now Stable | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in Debian https://t.co/E2TftfEZ5t | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqma | Nov 27 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | APT (Advanced Package Tool) 1.1 Is Now Available in Debian Unstable | Nov 27 21:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Turris Omnia is a new open source router that | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comes with powerful hardware and a Linux distro | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | based on OpenWRT" https://t.co/vMBlDR20Fl | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 27 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqmb | Nov 27 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Turris Omnia Is a Linux-Based Powerful Open Source Router That Updates on the Fly | Nov 27 21:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma Screen Configuration Is Working On | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland https://t.co/ahQqGn2cPb | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 27 21:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDE Plasma Screen Configuration Is Working On Wayland - Phoronix | Nov 27 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The BEST Android Phones Of 2015 | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lS1YrgSf1c | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.knowyourmobile.com) | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqmm | Nov 27 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com | The BEST Android Phones Of 2015 | Know Your Mobile | Nov 27 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What happened with Suse Linux Enterprise | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Server? https://t.co/EkcZPmVp0H | Nov 27 21:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.rapiddisk.org) | Nov 27 21:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rapiddisk.org | What happened with Suse Linux Enterprise Server? | RapidDisk | Nov 27 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.2 released https://t.co/SPiO7d5Ree | Nov 27 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (permalink.gmane.org) | Nov 27 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqn0 | Nov 27 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.19.2 released | Nov 27 21:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Gets Closer with | Nov 27 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the Latest Development Milestone | Nov 27 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Rveg83jYYQ (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 27 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqn1 | Nov 27 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Gets Closer with the Latest Development Milestone | Nov 27 21:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tumbleweed changes fonts, Leap gets several | Nov 27 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | updates https://t.co/x5FtkMeNUz | Nov 27 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.opensuse.org) | Nov 27 21:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE News | Nov 27 21:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.8.3 "Feynman" Released, It's Now the | Nov 27 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Stable FFmpeg Version | Nov 27 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hc1uiYaS82 (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 27 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqn3 | Nov 27 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | FFmpeg 2.8.3 "Feynman" Released, It's Now the Latest Stable FFmpeg Version | Nov 27 21:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Gets Closer with the...' | Nov 27 21:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'FFmpeg 2.8.3 "Feynman" Released, It's Now the Latest...' | Nov 27 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Turris Omnia Router Is Quite Appealing to | Nov 27 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bitcoin Users https://t.co/JQpmlM8atx | Nov 27 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (bitcoinist.net) https://t.co/74i7bkwjVN | Nov 27 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/FBWTL3gHSc | Nov 27 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bitcoinist.net | Turris Omnia Router Is Quite Appealing to Bitcoin Users | Nov 27 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thenextweb.com) | Nov 27 21:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Czech Firm Wants to Create Router That Self-Updates, Focuses on Security | Nov 27 21:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Omnia secure Wi-Fi router might not be the sexiest tech but it's smashing it on Indiegogo | Nov 27 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Five Must-Buy Linux Games on Steam Exploration | Nov 27 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sale https://t.co/9Cj72YWOld | Nov 27 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 27 21:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Five Must-Buy Linux Games on Steam Exploration Sale | Nov 27 21:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/G3bxEVFuMh | Nov 27 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqne | Nov 27 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Announcement | Tux Machines | Nov 27 21:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Gets Closer with | Nov 27 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the Latest Development Milestone | Nov 27 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/I0Gj817GWg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 21:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Gets Closer with the Latest Development Milestone | Tux Machines | Nov 27 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tumbleweed changes fonts, Leap gets several | Nov 27 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | updates https://t.co/P9m25iC2jN | Nov 27 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 21:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tumbleweed changes fonts, Leap gets several updates | Tux Machines | Nov 27 21:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.8.3 "Feynman" Released, It's Now the | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Stable FFmpeg Version | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hTUG0HhsYB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqnq | Nov 27 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FFmpeg 2.8.3 "Feynman" Released, It's Now the Latest Stable FFmpeg Version | Tux Machines | Nov 27 21:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 open-source alternatives to Slack | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RVdmYogFHU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqnr | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "In 2014, Linux was used for 79 percent of | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise cloud deployments" | Nov 27 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 open-source alternatives to Slack | Tux Machines | Nov 27 21:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZcQHK9Hmt3 | Nov 27 21:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.developer-tech.com) | Nov 27 21:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.developer-tech.com | Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS - Developer Tech | Nov 27 21:46 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @BoizuCom followed @tuxmachines | Nov 27 21:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Five Must-Buy Linux Games on Steam Exploration Sale...' | Nov 27 21:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Turris Omnia Router Is Quite Appealing to Bitcoin...' | Nov 27 21:47 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 27 22:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'FFmpeg 2.8.3 "Feynman" Released, It's Now the Latest...' | Nov 27 22:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Features To Find With Mesa 11.1 | Nov 27 22:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/01EA9t0aVg (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 27 22:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Features To Find With Mesa 11.1 - Phoronix | Nov 27 22:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Turris Omnia is a new open source router that | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by comes with powerful hardware and a Linux distro | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @vorelp based on OpenWRT" https://t.co/vMBlDR20Fl | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqrp | Nov 27 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Turris Omnia Is a Linux-Based Powerful Open Source Router That Updates on the Fly | Nov 27 22:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How Nouveau Compares To NVIDIA's Linux Driver | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | When Kepler Re-Clocking Works | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Th0uZoB3iL (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 27 22:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | How Nouveau Compares To NVIDIA's Linux Driver When Kepler Re-Clocking Works - Phoronix | Nov 27 22:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4? https://t.co/Sl5RNjAmNE | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 27 22:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqrr | Nov 27 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With Linux 4.4? - Phoronix | Nov 27 22:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2Oj6j9PjNL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/obqsk | Nov 27 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Tux Machines | Nov 27 23:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/zFP9w93CPo | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 23:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Nov 27 23:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.4? https://t.co/yDFSVDnTvS | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 23:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Are Intel Skylake Graphics Any Faster With Linux 4.4? | Tux Machines | Nov 27 23:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development News https://t.co/7LvU60BmQE | Nov 27 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 27 23:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development News | Tux Machines | Nov 27 23:03 | |
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| cubexyz | "What we're really after is simply that people acquire a legal license for Windows for each computer they own" | Nov 27 23:52 |
| cubexyz | anyone know where that quote is from? | Nov 27 23:52 |
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| msb_ | Satan | Nov 28 00:15 |
| schestowitz | bill | Nov 28 00:36 |
| cubexyz | :) | Nov 28 00:44 |
| cubexyz | no, I mean where did it originate from... comes document, book, etc | Nov 28 00:45 |
| cubexyz | the date it was said would be interesting to know | Nov 28 00:45 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 28 08:40 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat favourited 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/z8Rm0kO3i7' | Nov 28 09:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Nov 28 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6RfGJlPHNj (www.elivecd.org) | Nov 28 09:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.elivecd.org | Elive 2.6.12 beta released - Elive Linux | Nov 28 09:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/r2kap4C48d (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 09:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Are Now Live | Nov 28 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds | Nov 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 09:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring | Nov 28 09:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 09:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ouozeXY12U (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 28 09:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 09:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | [02:10] <oiaohm> schestowitz: Mind you many quotes sites mark it incorrectly as bill gates. | Nov 28 09:47 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:11] <oiaohm> schestowitz: you have to thank cubexyz for starting digging. | Nov 28 09:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Hmmm.... | Nov 28 09:47 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: e http://forum.objectivismonline.com/index.php?/topic/1625-bill-gates-capitalist-or-pull-peddler/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070205065516/http://www.totalabstinence.com/members/kraktkorteks/index.html The www.totalabstinence.com satire site took a lot of sites and commercial media to the cleaners | Nov 28 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.objectivismonline.com | Bill Gates: Capitalist Or Pull Peddler - Current Events - Objectivism Online Forum | Nov 28 09:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Bill Gates: The Krakt Korteks Interview | Nov 28 09:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Playing With Intel Skylake OpenCL On Ubuntu | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.10 https://t.co/ATdAKGX1Ee | Nov 28 10:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Playing With Intel Skylake OpenCL On Ubuntu 15.10 - Phoronix | Nov 28 10:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMDGPU With PowerPlay Compared To AMD's | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Linux Driver https://t.co/YVLEYdSWac | Nov 28 10:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | AMDGPU With PowerPlay Compared To AMD's Catalyst Linux Driver - Phoronix | Nov 28 10:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TheUbuntuDaily The #Ubuntu Daily is out! | Nov 28 10:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JASchiz4Kg (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 28 10:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Nov 28 10:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Elive 2.6.12 beta released | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Nov 28 10:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2, Adds Chromium 47.0 and Linux Kernel 4.1.13 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring | Nov 28 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Nov 28 10:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools, OpenEXR Support | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:29 | |
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| schestowitz | I keep reading, and I still don't know what the fuss is all about. | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Can someone break it down for us Americans? | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | You should care because ______. | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | The argument is ______. | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 ) | Nov 28 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | QUOTE | Nov 28 10:34 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "Apparently, in response to the criticism, the EPO called in the lawyers against the blogger for defamation or something. Apparently this type of behavior by the EPO has been directed at politicians and others as well." | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I'll try to relate what i understand so far, for some reason: | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | A techright.org blogger criticized the EPO (European Patent Office) for something related to corruption and human rights: | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:35 |
| schestowitz | "You forgot the part where Techrights is pretty much a bomb thrower's blog." | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | I can't tell the difference between this techrights site and one of the alternate reality wikis where a bunch of people write a bunch of detailed articles on a fictitious topic. | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Every link on techrights goes to other techrights articles. Half the articles are about indignities that techrights has been put through. From what I understand, techrights has been engaged in a secret war with EPO for decades, possibly even centuries. | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | centuries? | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "And how many people out there know what the hell this is all about from just reading the article summary?" | Nov 28 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "Well, you see, something something patent office something something." | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | There was a techdirt article on it | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtml [techdirt.com] | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | Techdirt | Nov 28 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | Personal attack: "I could be wrong but all the articles on techrights appear to be written by a schizophrenic off his meds." | Nov 28 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | As one might gather from the name of the place, TechRights is about rights (freedoms) as relates to technology and "intellectual property". | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing about freedom: | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | If you constantly ignore the incursions on it, pretty soon it's all gone. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | {Line about paving paradise goes here} | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | ...and I thought you made a promise a while back: | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Something about being fed up or something. [soylentnews.org] | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | ...yet you're still here. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | You appear to be all bluff and bluster. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | You truly don't have anything more to offer than whining about me?? | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | -- gewg_ | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Those jackbooted thugs just burst into my flat one day, yanked Fluffy out of his terrarium and jammed their tiny little penises into his anus. | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I screamed at them and tried to call for help, but they just laughed and said "This is what you get for messing with the EPO, Schestowitz!" | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I said, "who is this Schestowitz and why are you raping my iguana?" | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | They looked at each other, threw me to the floor and yanked out my wallet. Then they said, "our sincere apologies sir, we thought you were someone else. But don't worry, it looks like your iguana enjoyed himself. I know we did!" | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | These people must be stopped! | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 | Nov 28 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/1450229 ) | Nov 28 10:39 | |
| schestowitz | Some rather low quality comments in there. It'll like another /. (post Dice takeover) | Nov 28 10:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/670552718386331648 | Nov 28 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Please, may we pose the same questions to medical doctors treating employees or receiving contracts from epo? | Nov 28 10:42 | |
| schestowitz | I would like to know more about the medical/insurance private partners of EPO, medical doctors too. Heard of it in passing. | Nov 28 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS | Nov 28 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/36jY2WeH8s (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 10:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opinion: Why open source is the future of MBaaS | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/5FMv58HGoE | Nov 28 10:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 28 10:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'First Ubuntu Touch Images Based on Ubuntu 16.04...' | Nov 28 10:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Kwort Linux 4.3 Is Based on CRUX 3.2,...' | Nov 28 10:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools,...' | Nov 28 10:43 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GIMP 2.10 Development Started, Will Bring GEGL-Based Tools,...' | Nov 28 11:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileakBot/status/670560897975189505 | Nov 28 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileakBot: RT @schestowitz "Sony agreed to reimburse employees up to $10,000 apiece for identity-theft losses" https://t.co/DhdHucgjHB #sony #wikileaks | Nov 28 11:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> time.com | Sony Hack: Judge Gives Preliminary OK to $8mn Settlement | Nov 28 11:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/670562692416057344 | Nov 28 11:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz It's a shame thos would come from the state and not the war criminals who brokered the deal. | Nov 28 11:23 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Parallel? RT reporting hourly on head of biggest Turkish opposition newspaper/website being tried for treason for publishing articles and videos showing Turkish intelligence service shipping huge truckloads of weapons to Islamic head-choppers in Syria. Big crowds protesting at courthouse, being pepper-sprayed by armored police.. Kurdish Party leader murdered for saying the party are not terrorists. Ukrainian Nazis, | Nov 28 11:34 |
| msb_ | backed by US, caught selling weapons to Syrian head-choppers. One can almost imagine a single octopoid alien in synchronous orbit, surrounded by displays and keyboards, orchestrating all of this, and much more. But I guess it's just that psychopath behavior is similar everywhere -- torrents of lies, and attacks on anyone who exposes the lies. Roy, maybe you should vary your daily travel routes, etc. | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Doze Brings Marshmallow's Battery-Saving | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Feature to Older Androids | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o41Tj2J8e3 (lifehacker.com) | Nov 28 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | android (Linux) de facto standard now | Nov 28 11:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lifehacker.com | Doze Brings Marshmallow's Battery-Saving Feature to Older Androids | Nov 28 11:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here come the rose gold Android phones | Nov 28 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RdH29kaKOV (mashable.com) | Nov 28 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Here come the rose gold Android phones | Nov 28 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A few thoughts on OpenBSD 5.8 | Nov 28 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Uis1GFBtWQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 28 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A few thoughts on OpenBSD 5.8 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 11:35 | |
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| schestowitz | msb_: no politics here please | Nov 28 13:22 |
| schestowitz | off topic | Nov 28 13:22 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: What exactly do you mean by "politics"? Do you think your struggle with EPO and the ultra-wealthy corporations using it to suppress and rob the people of the world is not "politics" ? | Nov 28 14:28 |
| msb_ | I just pointed out that the same suppression of journalists by government force that you are talking about regarding yourself, is big news right now in another context. | Nov 28 14:30 |
| MinceR | i don't see the connection between the EPO and putin's propaganda machine | Nov 28 14:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: What I mentioned had nothing to do with Putin. Putin is your personal obsession, a mental illness. | Nov 28 14:32 |
| MinceR | you keep spamming this channel with bullshit from RT, not anyone else | Nov 28 14:38 |
| MinceR | and you project your obsession with putler to me | Nov 28 14:38 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Are you claiming that Turkey's suppression of journalists is "bullshit"? | Nov 28 14:39 |
| msb_ | And it's you who mentioned Putin, not me. | Nov 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | i don't have enough information to know that, since your alleged source is full of shit | Nov 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | you are the one who advertises putin and RT regularly | Nov 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | you're the one who regularly advertises dictators here | Nov 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | and dictatorships | Nov 28 14:41 |
| msb_ | I may post some information from RT once every several days. As I have said in exposing your LIES many times before, I do not favor any dictators or dictatorships. MINCER: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! | Nov 28 14:42 |
| MinceR | stop spamming this channel with putin's propaganda | Nov 28 14:43 |
| msb_ | Posting once every several days is not "spamming". | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | it is off topic. | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | go found #iloveputin and spam there instead. | Nov 28 14:43 |
| msb_ | The suppression of journalists in Turkey has nothing to do with Putin. | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | RT has everything to do with putler | Nov 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | and what that russian plane did in turkey is also far from an isolated incident | Nov 28 14:44 |
| MinceR | they regularly do this to all sorts of countries | Nov 28 14:44 |
| msb_ | http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/middleeast/turkish-journalists-arrested/ | Nov 28 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | Turkish journalists arrested on charges of espionage - CNN.com | Nov 28 14:45 | |
| msb_ | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/28/us-turkey-europe-press-migrants-idUSKBN0TH09220151128 | Nov 28 14:46 |
| MinceR | see, that's a lot less disreputable | Nov 28 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com | Detained journalists urge EU not to compromise with Turkey over human rights | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/obrwo ] | Nov 28 14:46 | |
| msb_ | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/27/turkish-journalists-charged-over-claim-that-secret-services-armed-syrian-rebels | Nov 28 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Turkish journalists charged over claim that secret services armed Syrian rebels | World news | The Guardian | Nov 28 14:48 | |
| MinceR | still, i don't see what this has to do with techrights | Nov 28 14:48 |
| msb_ | There is no reason to think that the Russian plane "did" anything in Turkey. | Nov 28 14:49 |
| msb_ | Those three sources say the same thing that RT does. RT is accurate. | Nov 28 14:49 |
| MinceR | RT is unreliable, especially in this case | Nov 28 14:50 |
| MinceR | RT always says what putin wants you to believe | Nov 28 14:50 |
| MinceR | and what the russian plane did was violation of turkish airspace | Nov 28 14:50 |
| msb_ | As I said (to schestowitz), "I just pointed out that the same suppression of journalists by government force that you are talking about regarding yourself, is big news right now in another context. | Nov 28 14:52 |
| MinceR | that's an enormous stretch | Nov 28 14:52 |
| msb_ | Only in your mind which is totally warped about Putin. This had nothing to do with Putin. | Nov 28 14:53 |
| msb_ | You keep spamming this channel about Putin, calling him "putler", etc. | Nov 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | yes, RT is totally independent and has nothing to do with putin | Nov 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | and has no reason to lie about turkey | Nov 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | right? | Nov 28 14:54 |
| msb_ | I just gave 3 examples of Western media saying the exact same thing about Turkey that RT is saying, thus proving that RT is not lying, but that YOU ARE. | Nov 28 14:56 |
| MinceR | doesn't prove that the RT can be relied upon on the subject of turkey | Nov 28 14:56 |
| MinceR | and as such, your link to rt was useless spam | Nov 28 14:56 |
| msb_ | MinceR: So you are saying that a news report that I proved is accurate is "useless spam". And you have given no evidence whatsoever that RT has put out any inaccurate information about Turkey. Your statements are irrational and insane. | Nov 28 15:07 |
| MinceR | i've provided plenty of evidence about RT lying before | Nov 28 15:09 |
| MinceR | also about RT being controlled by putin | Nov 28 15:09 |
| msb_ | But when asked about it you will not repeat it. | Nov 28 15:09 |
| MinceR | and i haven't seen you deny that russia has no interest in trying to show turkey in a negative light | Nov 28 15:09 |
| MinceR | s/no // | Nov 28 15:09 |
| msb_ | Turkey is arming and financing the Islamic head-choppers in Syria, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. That actually IS extremely negative, no matter who shows it. | Nov 28 15:11 |
| msb_ | Or are you in favor of the Islamic head-choppers? | Nov 28 15:12 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 28 15:12 |
| MinceR | but that doesn't mean i have to be in favor of putin | Nov 28 15:12 |
| MinceR | many people seem to be having trouble grasping the fact that if two dictatorships are opposed to one another, that doesn't automatically make one of them good | Nov 28 15:13 |
| msb_ | I have never said that everything Putin has done is good. I have said that his heavy bombings of murderous jihadists in Syria is good. Because their goal is to turn Syria into a psychopathic woman-suppressing head-chopping clit-cutting religious dictatorship like Saudi Arabia. | Nov 28 15:19 |
| msb_ | That would be far worse than any "dictatorship" done by Putin in Russia. | Nov 28 15:21 |
| MinceR | does that justify the dictatorship in russia? | Nov 28 15:21 |
| msb_ | Putin gets elected. Your claims of "dictatorship in russia" would have to be examined in detail to determine the _degree_ of authoritarianism there, and compare them with the same in other places like the US, UK and EU. | Nov 28 15:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, via election fraud | Nov 28 15:26 |
| MinceR | "we are the 146%" | Nov 28 15:27 |
| MinceR | http://occupywallst.org/article/we-are-the-146-russians-refuse-to-be-rooked/ | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-occupywallst.org | We are the 146% - Russians Refuse to be Rooked as 120,000 March in Moscow | OccupyWallSt.org | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/05/putin-united-russia-election | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Putin shaken by United Russia's poor election performance | World news | The Guardian | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| MinceR | http://gawker.com/5864945/putin-clings-to-victory-as-russias-voter-turnout-exceeds-146 | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com | Putin Clings to Victory as Russia's Voter Turnout Exceeds 146% | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| MinceR | http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/russian-election-protests/100206/ | Nov 28 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Russian Election Protests - The Atlantic | Nov 28 15:27 | |
| msb_ | Same as in the US. Between the two-party system, both of which are controlled by the ultra-wealthy, and the corporate news media, which lie about the candidates, and rigged electronic voting machines, the US _always_ ends up electing corporatist (fascist) leaders. | Nov 28 15:30 |
| MinceR | in that case, the US is better at hiding election fraud | Nov 28 15:31 |
| MinceR | also, the US still has independent/opposition media | Nov 28 15:31 |
| msb_ | Yes, the US is much better at hiding election fraud, because it uses all three methods I mentioned instead of just rigging the actual elections. | Nov 28 15:35 |
| msb_ | The US "independent/opposition media" do not appear on TV, so they are not able to educate most americans. That's because the media channels are all owned by the ultra-wealthy. | Nov 28 15:37 |
| MinceR | i thought they ran some TV channels | Nov 28 15:37 |
| msb_ | The only accurate TV network in the US is RT. | Nov 28 15:39 |
| msb_ | That's why I watch it, not for any love of Putin. | Nov 28 15:39 |
| MinceR | it's not accurate, it merely says what you want to hear | Nov 28 15:39 |
| MinceR | and yet the US government does not silence it | Nov 28 15:40 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work that way in russia. | Nov 28 15:40 |
| MinceR | (or in hungary, for that matter) | Nov 28 15:40 |
| msb_ | It says the same things that about 6 other independent non-Russian Net news services say. | Nov 28 15:41 |
| MinceR | on one particular item of news | Nov 28 15:41 |
| msb_ | On every one that I've checked. | Nov 28 15:41 |
| MinceR | that doesn't predict what they say about other things at all | Nov 28 15:41 |
| msb_ | Does Russia suppress CNN.com on the Web? | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | ask XRevan86 | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | so, everybody but RT lies on US TV while saying the same things as RT? | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | that's an interesting kind of "logic" | Nov 28 15:42 |
| msb_ | Well, look and see if you can access it. | Nov 28 15:42 |
| MinceR | i'm not in russia | Nov 28 15:43 |
| MinceR | so roskomnadzor's bans don't apply to me | Nov 28 15:43 |
| msb_ | But you are in Hungary which you claim is equally repressed. Can you access cnn.com? | Nov 28 15:43 |
| MinceR | while hungary does have the legal means, the institution and some technical means to do censorship of the web, they have not done it to the extent russia does | Nov 28 15:45 |
| MinceR | they're mostly testing the waters | Nov 28 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | Ask me what? | Nov 28 15:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: whether russia suppresses cnn.com on the web | Nov 28 15:45 |
| MinceR | cnn.com does load here | Nov 28 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: My provider doesn't follow roskomnadzor's list, and I never heard about that. | Nov 28 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | that cnn got banned | Nov 28 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | all that "registry of forbidden sites" crap didn't go that far | Nov 28 15:47 |
| msb_ | It didn't. Mincer was saying that Russia is a censoring dictatorship, so I asked him if he could receive cnn.com | Nov 28 15:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR wrote, claiming to quote me: "so, everybody but RT lies on US TV while saying the same things as RT? that's an interesting kind of 'logic'" | Nov 28 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: It is a bad tendency towards that. | Nov 28 15:50 |
| MinceR | 163910 < msb_> The only accurate TV network in the US is RT. | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | 164114 < msb_> It says the same things that about 6 other independent non-Russian Net news services say. | Nov 28 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | Alternative media in Russian Internet exist and are not planning to go away. | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | no contradictions here. no sir! | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: depends on whose plans we're talking about :> | Nov 28 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: hmm? | Nov 28 15:51 |
| MinceR | 165124 < XRevan86> Alternative media in Russian Internet exist and are not planning to go away. (emphasis mine) | Nov 28 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | * and is | Nov 28 15:52 |
| msb_ | Of course I never said any such thing. I said that RT is the only accurate TV network in the US, which means that it tells the truth all of the time. It says the same things as 6 other _alternative_ Web news sources that I access, like Global Research, Free Critical Thinking, Paul Craig Roberts, etc. It does _not_ always say the same things as the other US TV new channels, which frequently lie. | Nov 28 15:57 |
| MinceR | the company RT keeps betrays its agenda | Nov 28 15:58 |
| msb_ | So, MinceR, you either purposely or inadvertently totally misunderstood what I said, in order to attempt to "prove" me wrong. | Nov 28 15:59 |
| MinceR | and you believe RT to be accurate because some of the time it says the same things as other TV channels | Nov 28 15:59 |
| MinceR | which you claim frequently lie | Nov 28 15:59 |
| MinceR | i can't even | Nov 28 15:59 |
| msb_ | No, the alternative news sources I believe are NOT on TV. They are on the Web. | Nov 28 15:59 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are still totally confused. | Nov 28 16:00 |
| MinceR | no, you're confused | Nov 28 16:01 |
| MinceR | by cognitive dissonance | Nov 28 16:01 |
| MinceR | you desperately want a hero, and in searching for that, you've found dictators opposed to the USA and made them your heroes | Nov 28 16:01 |
| MinceR | also, arguing that putin did nothing wrong because he was democratically elected is like arguing hitler did nothing wrong because he was democratically elected | Nov 28 16:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Keep your false, self-serving, LYING psychoanalysis to yourself. I have not made anyone my hero, except researchers like Wilhelm Reich and Riane Eisler. | Nov 28 16:03 |
| msb_ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that Putin did nothing wrong. | Nov 28 16:04 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 28 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: hi | Nov 28 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: hi | Nov 28 16:24 |
| cubexyz | it's not that the news media lie all the time, although probably there are some lies | Nov 28 16:51 |
| cubexyz | it's that the news media has an agenda, and they follow the money from advertisers | Nov 28 16:52 |
| cubexyz | so if Microsoft says "here is 10 million dollars go push windows 10" then that's what they do | Nov 28 16:52 |
| cubexyz | there is no "search for the truth" | Nov 28 16:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 recently open-sourced products from big tech companies | Tux Machines | Nov 28 17:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/Kal8A6cFtV | Nov 28 17:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine 1.8-RC2 https://t.co/JBPmjzVpSa | Nov 28 17:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 1.8-RC2 | Tux Machines | Nov 28 17:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6860788 | Nov 28 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Open Source projects best practices" explained by your 'friends' from... #microsoft https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MVP-RD-Americas/GitHub--Microsoft-Partnership/GH2-Open-Source-projects-best-practices #openwashing #channel9 | Nov 28 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | "“how can I prevent, my build from being broken?” watch out for Microsoft moles … just the thought wastes time and resources. Microsoft hates everyone, especially when they form a community." | Nov 28 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Indeed | Nov 28 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857524 | Nov 28 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #propaganda site #winbeta is trying to cause FOSS brain drain http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-continues-offer-open-source-professionals-positions-within-azure say no http://techrights.org/2015/10/22/all-things-open-hijacked/ | Nov 28 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Some people prefer lots of money over Free Software and freedom, just see Miguel de Icaza." | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | I heard he's gloating about it | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857682 | Nov 28 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #raspi is everywhere in the news today and this is why http://opensource.com/business/15/11/raspberry-pi-zero #vista10 can't run on such hardware | Nov 28 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Looks like lots of fun. =)" | Nov 28 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | "#Fu*k Window$ :)" | Nov 28 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They try http://techrights.org/2015/04/30/bribing-for-windows-in-devices/ | Nov 28 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Embracing, Extending, Extinguishing the Linux-centric Arduino and Raspberry Pi, Making Them Windows Devices | Techrights | Nov 28 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6857428 | Nov 28 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #redhat everywhere... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355892#c6 #KDE now locked into #systemd | Nov 28 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | "In Gentoo, KDE works with OpenRC too… (as far as I’m concerned)." | Nov 28 18:11 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/Kal8A6cFtV' | Nov 28 18:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @TheUbuntuDaily The #Ubuntu Daily is out! | Nov 28 18:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by https://t.co/JASchiz4Kg (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 28 18:12 |
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| msb_ | Eleven excellent news sites. In general they are much more accurate and complete than U.S. corporate news. | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
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| msb_ | Russia Today http://www.rt.com/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| msb_ | Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
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| msb_ | Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/ | Nov 28 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and Opinion | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
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| msb_ | TeleSUR http://www.telesurtv.net/english/index.html | Nov 28 20:21 |
| msb_ | New Eastern Outlook http://journal-neo.org/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telesurtv.net | teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/nuamj ] | Nov 28 20:21 | |
| msb_ | PressTV http://presstv.ir/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
| msb_ | TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/ | Nov 28 20:21 |
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| msb_ | Note that if MinceR labels a site as "Putin propaganda" that says nothing about whether the information on it is accurate or not, or whether it is more complete than the US govt sites like Voice of America, which MinceR links to. | Nov 28 20:28 |
| msb_ | "Propaganda" simply means "information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause". Given the lies and distortions of the US corporate press, simply telling the complete and accurate truth is beneficial to the Russian cause. | Nov 28 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | [20:28] <msb_> Note that if MinceR... | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Why do you provoke/teate him? | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Share links to FOSS sites | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Let's keep focused on tech | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | anything else would only serve to dilute the channel and discourage wider participation, so you're not helping | Nov 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:28] <msb_> schestowitz: What exactly do you mean by "politics"? Do you think your struggle with EPO and the ultra-wealthy corporations using it to suppress and rob the people of the world is not "politics" ? | Nov 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | EPO deals with science and technology | Nov 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it also impacts software patents in Europe which directly affects FOSS | Nov 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I thought that was obvious | Nov 28 21:03 |
| msb_ | 1. MinceR already posted lies about "propaganda". I corrected them. 2. Science, technology, and FOSS are important because they affect _people_. This all started when I pointed out that currently other journalists like yourself were being persecuted for revealing government secret programs for robbing and harming people. | Nov 28 21:09 |
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| msb_ | When government agencies (like the EPO) are secretly doing things (like allowing swpats) whose purpose is to constrain and rob people in order to benefit the ultra-wealthy few, if that isn't politics I don't know what is. | Nov 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarchAgainstM/status/670712030307983360 | Nov 28 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MarchAgainstM: @schestowitz Thanks for raising awareness about #TPP, just shared your tweet on our #StopTPP aggregator https://t.co/oQsehY62ur | Nov 28 21:17 | |
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| msb_ | As to FOSS sites, FOSS is pretty mature now. It does everything that people need, and would do them much better if we got rid of systemd, UEFI, and KDE4/5/Plasma. 99% of the info from FOSS sites (that we see here) is about minor improvements or version increments that are unnecessary or even harmful. What FOSS needs is to back off the "improvements" to where it was several years ago, and just USE it from there. | Nov 28 21:22 |
| msb_ | Yes, I am a 70 year old curmudgeon, and have a beard going down my neck. | Nov 28 21:24 |
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| msb_ | I have learned a lot from cubexyz! | Nov 28 21:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Test Release Of Android-x86 Now Available | Tux Machines | Nov 28 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jorgecaleya/status/670715259431329792 | Nov 28 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jorgecaleya: Y por supuesto los acuerdos de comercio globales apuestan por poner internet al servicio de las multinacionales https://t.co/GIoWJmbv6p | Nov 28 21:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP allows #Internet #censorship to favour big corporations, say Pakatan MPs https://t.co/aXG88R2JF6 https://t.co/cJEpBQjOIU @glynmoody | Nov 28 21:40 | |
| MinceR | bullshit is pouring out of msb_ as usual | Nov 28 21:41 |
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| endomorphosis | hey, is anyone home | Nov 28 23:07 |
| msb_ | I'm here. What's up? | Nov 28 23:09 |
| endomorphosis | so does tech rights see much activity lately | Nov 28 23:09 |
| endomorphosis | I've been investigating some wierd stuff these days | Nov 28 23:10 |
| endomorphosis | The co-mingling of politics and technology power players | Nov 28 23:10 |
| msb_ | 1. a couple hundred lines a day 2. Oh yeah? what | Nov 28 23:10 |
| msb_ | Like how? | Nov 28 23:10 |
| msb_ | IIRC, Bill Gates is mixed up with toxic vaccines and Monsanto. | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | well, I know that | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | more specifically, there are alot of connections between tech power players, politicians, and goldman sachs | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | but if you've heard that obama and clinton have ties to tech, its very much true | Nov 28 23:12 |
| endomorphosis | its looking like a desire to control a metaphorical central nervous system of society | Nov 28 23:13 |
| msb_ | Yep. Like crippling Linux with systemd. | Nov 28 23:14 |
| endomorphosis | yes | Nov 28 23:14 |
| endomorphosis | for example alot of the 'code of conduct' stuff is coming out of mozilla | Nov 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | We won! | Nov 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Tyson Fury. | Nov 28 23:14 |
| schestowitz | 'we'=manchester | Nov 28 23:14 |
| endomorphosis | mozilla has connections to goldman, and the aol time warner deal | Nov 28 23:15 |
| endomorphosis | marc andresson who was the ceo of netscape, now own substantial shares of twitter, facebook, tumblr, reddit, etc | Nov 28 23:15 |
| endomorphosis | other interesting players are mitch kapor, gates, frank quattrone, etc | Nov 28 23:16 |
| msb_ | I see four attacks on Linux: systemd, UEFI, KDE4/5/Plasma+attacks on TrinityDE, and SJWs. All occurring in the same few years. | Nov 28 23:16 |
| msb_ | "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action" -- Ian Fleming, _Goldfinger_. What is _four_ times? | Nov 28 23:17 |
| endomorphosis | yeah | Nov 28 23:17 |
| endomorphosis | its more than just linux | Nov 28 23:18 |
| endomorphosis | its a larger move towards social engineering | Nov 28 23:18 |
| endomorphosis | the sjw's are just the useful idiots, who are manipulated to that end | Nov 28 23:18 |
| endomorphosis | for example, you know the MIT license right | Nov 28 23:19 |
| msb_ | no... | Nov 28 23:19 |
| endomorphosis | the MIT trademark now has a code of conduct, which applies to its open source viral license | Nov 28 23:19 |
| endomorphosis | so if MIT revokes the trademark, then you can't *legally* remove the license, and you can't continue to use it | Nov 28 23:20 |
| msb_ | That's ex post facto. | Nov 28 23:20 |
| endomorphosis | i understand its ex post facto, but a similar thing was done with java | Nov 28 23:21 |
| msb_ | They can't renege on an agreement they've already signed. | Nov 28 23:21 |
| endomorphosis | the thing is that MIT didn't actually create the MIT license | Nov 28 23:21 |
| endomorphosis | a MIT professor articulated what is known as the MIT license, and people used it and slapped the name MIT on it | Nov 28 23:22 |
| msb_ | The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. . | Nov 28 23:23 |
| endomorphosis | agreed | Nov 28 23:23 |
| endomorphosis | but this overly broad Code of Conduct, with very ambigious terms and application, have made their way into large parts of the open source software world | Nov 28 23:24 |
| endomorphosis | even the FSF | Nov 28 23:24 |
| endomorphosis | essentially trying to exert control over something which was designed to not have central control | Nov 28 23:25 |
| msb_ | So has systemd. But the nice thing about software is that it's infinitely replicable _and_ forkable. | Nov 28 23:26 |
| endomorphosis | while true in theory, much like the 3d printing world, the patent system is first to file | Nov 28 23:26 |
| endomorphosis | so for example different groups have taken open source projects and patented their software | Nov 28 23:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.51 LTS Is Out with Multiple | Nov 28 23:27 |
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| msb_ | It's a crime to use mp3, or decode DVDs. Hasn't stopped anybody with a brain. | Nov 28 23:28 |
| msb_ | This kind of thing teaches people that govt isn't always their friend, and that sometimes they need to be outlaws. That's a _good_ thing! | Nov 28 23:29 |
| msb_ | From Babylon 5: | Nov 28 23:30 |
| msb_ | Sheridan: I get the impression that we won the war... | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | but not completely. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | Delenn: The war is never completely won. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | There are always new battles to be fought | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | against the darkness. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| msb_ | Only the names change. | Nov 28 23:31 |
| endomorphosis | so it looks like the investor class has found a way to essential monopolize FOSS | Nov 28 23:32 |
| msb_ | Psychopathy is everywhere. It's a very simple solution for individual survival, although very bad for species survival. | Nov 28 23:32 |
| endomorphosis | inflitrate and co-opt projects, and establish organizations to control them. | Nov 28 23:33 |
| msb_ | Seems to have been done with systemd. But Devuan and others are proceeding. | Nov 28 23:34 |
| endomorphosis | I agree that systemd is creating 'lennartix', meanwhile people are trying to push linus out | Nov 28 23:35 |
| endomorphosis | embrace, extend, extinguish | Nov 28 23:35 |
| msb_ | I don't think they'll succeed. But if they do, we'll just use his last kernel. IIRC, he's been doing this for 24 years. He deserves a rest! | Nov 28 23:36 |
| cubexyz | just do the hydra thing :) | Nov 28 23:36 |
| MinceR | we'll have to maintain it too | Nov 28 23:37 |
| cubexyz | "Hail, Hydra! Immortal Hydra! We shall never be destroyed! Cut off a limb, and two more shall take its place" | Nov 28 23:37 |
| MinceR | you can bet the fascists will look hard for secholes in it | Nov 28 23:37 |
| MinceR | and they might have already implanted some backdoors | Nov 28 23:37 |
| cubexyz | yes, you have to watch out for nasty surprises in the BIOS | Nov 28 23:38 |
| endomorphosis | i suspect thats whats happened in systemd, a black box. | Nov 28 23:38 |
| cubexyz | fortunately I have a ton of old motherboards | Nov 28 23:38 |
| endomorphosis | which controls all the input interfaces. | Nov 28 23:38 |
| endomorphosis | basically, building a moat around the kernel, tha tcant e bypassed | Nov 28 23:39 |
| MinceR | systemd was designed to be a fertile breeding ground for security holes from the ground up | Nov 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MaravillaTom/status/670747725474963456 | Nov 28 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaravillaTom: @NextBigPod @EddieHearn Lolz. Fury ducking that monopoly like https://t.co/GtYJIrJZe1 | Nov 28 23:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaravillaTom: @NextBigPod @EddieHearn Lolz. Fury ducking that monopoly like https://t.co/GtYJIrJZe1 | Nov 28 23:40 | |
| MinceR | lots of bloat to hide backdoors in | Nov 28 23:40 |
| msb_ | Here's a possible scenario: The US govt blows off a small A-bomb somewher in the US, blames it on Russia, and then kills all Linux machines that have systemd, so nobody with a brain can research it and spread the information. | Nov 28 23:41 |
| msb_ | Like _The Sum of All Fears_, a wonderful movie. | Nov 28 23:41 |
| msb_ | We know they did 9/11: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 | Nov 28 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Nov 28 23:43 | |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-meme.jpg | Nov 28 23:44 |
| msb_ | What happened to endomorphosis? 'e's buggered off. | Nov 28 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/670749323852836868 | Nov 28 23:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz All Politicians want "back doors" so they can creep about where they shouldn't be.Wether CPU or ur daily lives. My answer FOff! | Nov 28 23:45 | |
| schestowitz | hi endomorphosis | Nov 28 23:45 |
| endomorphosis | hey | Nov 28 23:45 |
| endomorphosis | sorry, wifi | Nov 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | how's it going? | Nov 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | new here | Nov 28 23:46 |
| endomorphosis | anyhow, what I've noticed is that there are a bunch of laws and groups oriented about creating regulated internet | Nov 28 23:46 |
| endomorphosis | regarding content | Nov 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | like FB? | Nov 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | With zero-rating? | Nov 28 23:47 |
| endomorphosis | well, FB and other private entities are already massaging the feeds | Nov 28 23:47 |
| endomorphosis | these orgs have direct funding coming from the goldman sachs people | Nov 28 23:47 |
| endomorphosis | but more specifically, things like content restrictions | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | france wants to outlaw conspiracy theories | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | eu right to be forgotten | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | 'cyber violence' at the UN ITU | Nov 28 23:48 |
| endomorphosis | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Safety | Nov 28 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Committee of Safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 28 23:49 | |
| endomorphosis | benjamin franklin famously said "those who trade liberty for security will deserve neither and will get none | Nov 28 23:49 |
| endomorphosis | because he was the head of a committee of safety, which was used to essentially police wrongthink | Nov 28 23:50 |
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| endomorphosis | so what seems to be a common modus operandi, is that government funds groups like ISIS, and then uses the politics of fear to institute more control. | Nov 28 23:51 |
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| endomorphosis | part of that control, requires the control of free speech, as well as electronic systems. | Nov 28 23:52 |
| msb_ | That's been going on for thousands of years! | Nov 28 23:52 |
| endomorphosis | agreed, and now there are alot of posthumanists hanging around these groups, who essentially see themselves as the shepherds of a 'brave new world' | Nov 28 23:54 |
| endomorphosis | manifesto.humanities.ucla.edu/2009/05/29/the-digital-humanities-manifesto-20/ | Nov 28 23:56 |
| endomorphosis | stuff like this | Nov 28 23:56 |
| msb_ | endomorphosis: Check this out. It's a first draft and needs work, but still good: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Nov 28 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS | Nov 28 23:58 | |
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