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| oiaohm | msb__ the trinity fusser has always had warnings on it just like the Linux testing project. They can both let loss hell. | Dec 27 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/12/26/0224202 | Dec 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 06:43 |
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| schestowitz | > == | Dec 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votebank | Dec 27 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Votebank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 27 06:43 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | > not just in the US... | Dec 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/681079343850717184 | Dec 27 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz plagiarism? | Dec 27 06:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2438312/highs-and-lows-of-tech-in-20154 | Dec 27 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Highs and lows of tech in 2015- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/od0th ] | Dec 27 07:32 | |
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| schestowitz | got some doc from EPO | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm back. | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | The document was made available to EPO staff, and management has | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | certainly seen it. | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I also had it, with a couple of other things, but I must confess that it | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | didn't get all my due attention. | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Let me sleep on it! | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Good night, | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | I fear that: | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | 1. it would eliminate the privilege | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | 2. distract from bigger scandals | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | 3. won't change a think after the AC sessions anyway | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | But maybe my instincts here are incorrect. | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz | "See the last 20 pages of the attached. This impacts existing, former, and future staff." | Dec 27 08:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JuneTranmer/status/681096743426113536 | Dec 27 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JuneTranmer: Oh #York - it could be so much worse... https://t.co/YDoiheHzyW | Dec 27 09:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: More than 100,000 flee El Niño flooding in Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay https://t.co/IARVwK3X0C xmas brings #globalwarming alert | Dec 27 09:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Got hold of: The corporate statutes of Europatis, a confirmation letter by a bank that the starting capital of €4000 had been duly deposited, and a shareholders' resolution naming Jacques Michel as the general manager. The shareholder structure may have evolved since, but I won't throw money just to update that information. | Dec 27 10:24 |
| schestowitz | EPO scandal, the latest of many | Dec 27 10:24 |
| cubexyz | oh it's #globalwarming for sure | Dec 27 11:35 |
| cubexyz | never in my life have I seen a december with no snow at all | Dec 27 11:35 |
| cubexyz | in Canada? years ago I would have said that's impossible | Dec 27 11:36 |
| cubexyz | unless we get snow in the last few days of 2015 | Dec 27 11:36 |
| msb__ | It's the methane from all those moose farts. | Dec 27 12:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/27/us-northkorea-computers-idUSKBN0UA0G920151227 | Dec 27 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com | Paranoid: North Korea's computer operating system mirrors its political one | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/od11u ] | Dec 27 12:20 | |
| MinceR | a sneak peek into our future | Dec 27 12:20 |
| MinceR | vista10 is the closest in feature parity | Dec 27 12:20 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 27 12:21 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiYGaL2aCOc | Dec 27 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MST3K Canada Song - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/od11w ] | Dec 27 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | [16:35] <cubexyz> never in my life have I seen a december with no snow at all | Dec 27 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Floods here | Dec 27 12:24 |
| schestowitz | and warm | Dec 27 12:24 |
| schestowitz | over 10 degrees | Dec 27 12:24 |
| schestowitz | it's like fall/autumn | Dec 27 12:24 |
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| cubexyz | can't find any historical data for snowfall by year | Dec 27 12:39 |
| cubexyz | I have good temperature data from 2003 to 2010 after which I stopped recording | Dec 27 12:42 |
| cubexyz | I know when it snowed but not how much | Dec 27 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | cubelog: thanks for logging ;-) | Dec 27 13:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: the bot for twitter/tux machines is still down | Dec 27 13:53 |
| schestowitz | hard drive failure at the VPS, might be back soon, I hope, I think the maintainer is away on holiday | Dec 27 13:53 |
| schestowitz | don't trim IRC logs just yet, I will publish a big bundle some time soon, months' worth | Dec 27 13:54 |
| cubexyz | cubelog is still working I think | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 27 13:55 |
| schestowitz | it helps when I'm offline here | Dec 27 13:55 |
| cubexyz | yes, just tailed it | Dec 27 13:56 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the keyboard got bumped, but otherwise it's OK | Dec 27 13:56 |
| cubexyz | that's why I like to sit next to the server :) | Dec 27 13:57 |
| cubexyz | msb__, have you tried to run kpm recently? | Dec 27 14:01 |
| cubexyz | it botches up big time | Dec 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/UndercoverMutha/status/681055170273382400 | Dec 27 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UndercoverMutha: Good to see Putin is on it #floods https://t.co/jr1OCe7FQa | Dec 27 14:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UndercoverMutha: Good to see Putin is on it #floods https://t.co/jr1OCe7FQa | Dec 27 14:02 | |
| msb__ | cubexyz: what is kpm? | Dec 27 14:03 |
| cubexyz | it's part of kdeutils | Dec 27 14:04 |
| cubexyz | similar to top | Dec 27 14:04 |
| cubexyz | maybe some distros didn't bother including it | Dec 27 14:05 |
| msb__ | I don't think I've ever used it. It says "ksysguard: Unknown option 'showprocesses'" | Dec 27 14:05 |
| msb__ | I use kde4 system monitor. | Dec 27 14:05 |
| cubexyz | both kpm and ksysguard go crazy on me | Dec 27 14:06 |
| cubexyz | it worked fine in FC1 | Dec 27 14:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/fc1-kpm-ksysguard.png | Dec 27 14:11 |
| cubexyz | that's what it's supposed to look like, but somewhere down the road it got broken | Dec 27 14:11 |
| cubexyz | mostly I use htop anyways, just noting what happened | Dec 27 14:12 |
| cubexyz | what is the kde4 version called? | Dec 27 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ESD… | Dec 27 14:14 |
| msb__ | The KDE4 version is called ksysguard, same as the kde3 version I think. | Dec 27 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: How is it in comparison with plain ALSA, BTW? | Dec 27 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | was there any use of it back in a day? | Dec 27 14:16 |
| cubexyz | it's still running I think | Dec 27 14:16 |
| msb__ | The kde4 one also has another panel that shows graphs of cpu usage - both cores - memory usage and net traffic. | Dec 27 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | *-system-monitor is naming of GNOME and MATE | Dec 27 14:16 |
| cubexyz | but only on FC1, not on any other machine | Dec 27 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | mate-system-monitor | Dec 27 14:17 |
| cubexyz | yes, I used esd :) | Dec 27 14:17 |
| cubexyz | can't remember much about it | Dec 27 14:17 |
| cubexyz | except... | Dec 27 14:17 |
| cubexyz | mplayer file.mp3 -ao esd | Dec 27 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | I know about ESD only that it was superseded by PulseAudio. | Dec 27 14:17 |
| cubexyz | that's about all I remember :) | Dec 27 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: mplayer backend? :) | Dec 27 14:18 |
| msb__ | I'm confused. We were talking about process monitors and then switched over to audio systems?? | Dec 27 14:18 |
| cubexyz | blame XRevan86 | Dec 27 14:18 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: It's because I've noticed esd in the system monitor on cubexyz's screenshot :) | Dec 27 14:19 |
| cubexyz | what package is ksysguard in? | Dec 27 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ksysguard5 | Dec 27 14:19 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I can talk about xmms if you want :) | Dec 27 14:19 |
| msb__ | I use xmms. | Dec 27 14:19 |
| cubexyz | and xmmix | Dec 27 14:20 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: you're using kde5/plasma? | Dec 27 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I maintain Audacious in Packman :). | Dec 27 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: No, I still use MATE. | Dec 27 14:20 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard5? I haven't even tried ksysguard4 yet | Dec 27 14:21 |
| cubexyz | this must be how an Iphone user feels | Dec 27 14:21 |
| cubexyz | aha... guess what dudes, I have trinity-ksysguard :) | Dec 27 14:22 |
| cubexyz | just to make it even less straightforward | Dec 27 14:22 |
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| msb__ | I think ksysguard 4.6 is in the kde4 base package. | Dec 27 14:25 |
| msb__ | I just looked it up in what's left of the suse 11.4 repo. | Dec 27 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: rpm -qf $(which ksysguard) | Dec 27 14:26 |
| cubexyz | and trinity ksysguard is also broken :-/ | Dec 27 14:26 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: which OS are you running? | Dec 27 14:27 |
| cubexyz | I run a bunch of different ones | Dec 27 14:27 |
| msb__ | which one is ksysguard broken on? | Dec 27 14:28 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard seems kind of broken in q4os | Dec 27 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS? | Dec 27 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | Does it have ksysguard package? | Dec 27 14:28 |
| msb__ | but q4os uses trinity by default. | Dec 27 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ksysguard | Dec 27 14:29 |
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| cubexyz | this is q4os based on wheezy | Dec 27 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ksysguard | Dec 27 14:30 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Any questions? :) | Dec 27 14:30 |
| cubexyz | you're not listening | Dec 27 14:30 |
| cubexyz | I said ksysguard-trinity | Dec 27 14:30 |
| cubexyz | I don't know, maybe I can use both | Dec 27 14:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But does KDE4's KSysGuard work? | Dec 27 14:31 |
| cubexyz | don't know yet | Dec 27 14:31 |
| cubexyz | ok, it's loading | Dec 27 14:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe ksysguard-trinity is obsolete | Dec 27 14:32 |
| msb__ | package kdebase4-workspace-4.6.0-10.15.1.i586 | Dec 27 14:32 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: thanks, your command works | Dec 27 14:33 |
| cubexyz | ok, the result was.... ksysuard for KDE 4.8.4 works | Dec 27 14:33 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard-trinity does not work | Dec 27 14:34 |
| cubexyz | seems broken in KDE 3.5.10 also | Dec 27 14:34 |
| cubexyz | KDE 3.4.2 it did work | Dec 27 14:34 |
| cubexyz | I guess ksysguard-trinity wasn't important enough to fix | Dec 27 14:35 |
| msb__ | I'm running ksysguard 4.6 in kde 3.5.10 | Dec 27 14:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, that doesn't surprise me | Dec 27 14:35 |
| msb__ | If ksysguard in trinity is broken I'm sure the trinity folks would want to know about it. That's a very important program. | Dec 27 14:36 |
| msb__ | What version of TDE does q4os use? | Dec 27 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What do you think about xfce4-taskmanager? | Dec 27 14:36 |
| cubexyz | I only have xfce4 on openbsd, and I don't think I've actually tried xfce4-taskmanager | Dec 27 14:37 |
| msb__ | ksysguard 4.6 also has a panel of temperature graphs (which I set up) | Dec 27 14:38 |
| cubexyz | what's the best way to tell which trinity I have? | Dec 27 14:38 |
| msb__ | the cpu, mem, net graphs are very nice. You can set the scales, colors, speed, etc. | Dec 27 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: aptitude show trinity-desktop, I suppose | Dec 27 14:39 |
| msb__ | the process table sometimes shows processes that are no longer actually existing. If I care, I restart it. | Dec 27 14:39 |
| msb__ | problem with q4os is who do you talk to? nobody in its irc channel. | Dec 27 14:40 |
| cubexyz | me I guess :) | Dec 27 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | * aptitude show tdebase-trinity | Dec 27 14:40 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, no command called aptitude | Dec 27 14:41 |
| XRevan86 | apt show ? | Dec 27 14:41 |
| cubexyz | no command called apt | Dec 27 14:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: aptitude is just so awesome, I don't know why Debian folk dropped it. | Dec 27 14:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: apt-cache show %) | Dec 27 14:41 |
| XRevan86 | yeah, apt is a jessie+ thing | Dec 27 14:42 |
| cubexyz | ok... this is fun... no package called tdebase-trinity | Dec 27 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | apt-cache search trinity | Dec 27 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Wheezy_.28Debian_7.x.29 | Dec 27 14:42 |
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| cubexyz | ok... it was in my notes :-P | Dec 27 14:44 |
| cubexyz | kde trinity 3.5.13.2 | Dec 27 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Try updating. | Dec 27 14:44 |
| msb__ | Yeah, what could possibly go wrong. | Dec 27 14:45 |
| cubexyz | ok, why not :) | Dec 27 14:45 |
| cubexyz | has trinity updated since 3.5.13.2? | Dec 27 14:45 |
| msb__ | Thermonuclear flash reported from Canada!!! | Dec 27 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | > TDE R14.0.2 | Dec 27 14:45 |
| cubexyz | why would they maintain two ksysguard's? | Dec 27 14:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Who maintains two ksysguard's? | Dec 27 14:46 |
| XRevan86 | Debian maintains one, Q4OS maintains another. All in all two ksysguard's :). | Dec 27 14:47 |
| cubexyz | well there is two......right | Dec 27 14:47 |
| cubexyz | and in fact I have at least three versions | Dec 27 14:47 |
| msb__ | q4os uses the one from trinity, but apparently an old trinity | Dec 27 14:48 |
| cubexyz | it's ok for now | Dec 27 14:48 |
| cubexyz | don't really use ksysguard anyways | Dec 27 14:49 |
| cubexyz | at some point ksysguard got broken, probably because something it depends on got changed | Dec 27 14:50 |
| msb__ | The cpu and memory graphs are extremely useful. Tells you what your system is doing. | Dec 27 14:51 |
| cubexyz | something far worse happened at HP and to computing in general :-/ | Dec 27 14:51 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I mind just write my own | Dec 27 14:52 |
| cubexyz | s/mind/might/ | Dec 27 14:53 |
| msb__ | I worked at HP once. Great lunchroom, idiot managers. | Dec 27 14:53 |
| cubexyz | well I think you would like HP even less now | Dec 27 14:53 |
| msb__ | The bastards wanted big bucks to talk to me on the phone when their shitty inkjet printer stopped working. | Dec 27 14:55 |
| cubexyz | what I find very interesting is the old timers I talk to still rave about PDP-11 | Dec 27 14:55 |
| cubexyz | yes, HP isn't what it used to be | Dec 27 14:56 |
| msb__ | I want a LINC! | Dec 27 14:56 |
| msb__ | The printer is designed so that if one of dozens of tiny ink-holes gets clogged up, its tiny heater burns out. There's a sensor system that tests all the heaters, and if one of them is burned out, it makes you buy a whole new $30 ink cartridge. | Dec 27 14:57 |
| msb__ | It's a total criminal racket! | Dec 27 14:58 |
| cubexyz | use the older tech | Dec 27 14:58 |
| cubexyz | e.g. HP laserjet 5 | Dec 27 14:58 |
| cubexyz | there's tons of surplus carts for it on ebay | Dec 27 14:59 |
| cubexyz | the toner is pretty chemically stable | Dec 27 14:59 |
| msb__ | I paid $350 for that printer, back when that was real money. | Dec 27 15:01 |
| msb__ | Then I got a $75 laser printer that said on the box it worked with Linux, and it did. | Dec 27 15:01 |
| cubexyz | I hear epson isn't too bad | Dec 27 15:03 |
| cubexyz | about a year ago I cleared out an office which had a HP laserjet 5 | Dec 27 15:04 |
| cubexyz | fixed it... put a new toner cart in | Dec 27 15:04 |
| cubexyz | works great | Dec 27 15:04 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If you try to write a process monitor as good as ksysguard 4.6 it will be a huge project, if you want the moving graphs. | Dec 27 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Psst, just take the code from ksysguard. | Dec 27 15:08 |
| msb__ | Better to run a Linux that has active maintenance. | Dec 27 15:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/681204916770181120 | Dec 27 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz what DTM are you using? | Dec 27 15:08 | |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Like… openSUSE 11.4? | Dec 27 15:08 |
| schestowitz | openbox+xbinfkeys+fed for wallpaper (that's it) | Dec 27 15:08 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Dec 27 15:08 |
| cubexyz | only for older systems guys :) | Dec 27 15:09 |
| schestowitz | *xbindkeys+feh | Dec 27 15:09 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't bother on newer ones | Dec 27 15:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If you can find suse 11.4 then I can tell you how to do stuff. | Dec 27 15:09 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: You have an interesting perspective on what's actively maintained %). | Dec 27 15:09 |
| schestowitz | msb__: cubexyz still not seen any damage caused by trinity BTW, hopefully will never see anything, but might blame any file I perceive as mysteriously missing as a possible outcome of trinity, like back in the early days of ext4, which it silently killed some small files | Dec 27 15:10 |
| msb__ | You only need that if stuff doesn't work. All my stuff does work. | Dec 27 15:10 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I have to keep up my BSD skills too | Dec 27 15:11 |
| cubexyz | just in case | Dec 27 15:11 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Ha! I still use ext3. | Dec 27 15:11 |
| schestowitz | why not? | Dec 27 15:11 |
| schestowitz | though IIRC maintenance of it will be deprecated | Dec 27 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I read some things on phoronix about it, but given old red hat with 10-year support cycle I guess ext3 will be kept going by someone | Dec 27 15:12 |
| schestowitz | like shishkin and reiserfs | Dec 27 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | ext3 driver is already gone | Dec 27 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | ext4 driver can work with ext3 | Dec 27 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | apparently it can go on forever, as nobody's gonna drop ext4 driver :) | Dec 27 15:13 |
| cubexyz | guys, I still patch icheck from the 1970s :) | Dec 27 15:13 |
| cubexyz | there's no death in software | Dec 27 15:13 |
| schestowitz | depends on dependencies | Dec 27 15:14 |
| cubexyz | I mean ext2 still works, it didn't magically stop working | Dec 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | if you want kde3 you need qt3 | Dec 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | and for this you might need old libc or whatever | Dec 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | and down it goes to the architecture, which may in turn be deprecated | Dec 27 15:14 |
| cubexyz | sure, but I have a separate machine for that | Dec 27 15:14 |
| schestowitz | so some hypohtetical future board would not be able to run kde3 | Dec 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | compiler lapse | Dec 27 15:15 |
| cubexyz | so I recap my old motherboard | Dec 27 15:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It is not possible to run GNOME 2 on modern systems anymore. | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I have a question | Dec 27 15:16 |
| cubexyz | don't worry, I'll have my new machines as well :) | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | my old PC wouldn't boot | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | not even POST anymore | Dec 27 15:16 |
| cubexyz | is this P4? | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I disconnected, separately, just about anything | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | it's a 2008 PC, newer than P4 | Dec 27 15:16 |
| cubexyz | ok | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm not even sure which component is the issue | Dec 27 15:16 |
| schestowitz | doesn't seem like a fan issue, they run fast and strong | Dec 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | a xmas project of mine was to revive this machine | Dec 27 15:17 |
| cubexyz | well it could need new caps | Dec 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: why not? | Dec 27 15:17 |
| cubexyz | bios re-flashed, stuff like that | Dec 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | caps? | Dec 27 15:17 |
| cubexyz | capacitors | Dec 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | as in those diodes? | Dec 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | They do look worn out | Dec 27 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Something concerning glib and also upower. | Dec 27 15:17 |
| schestowitz | like they may have partially popped, there's a line of about 4 of them | Dec 27 15:18 |
| schestowitz | are these near the CPU? | Dec 27 15:18 |
| schestowitz | And can they be manually replaced without soldering, if they're at all the issue | Dec 27 15:18 |
| MinceR | i think you can add panels to the kde3 one too | Dec 27 15:18 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the caps are next to the cpu socket(s) | Dec 27 15:18 |
| MinceR | ksysguard, that is | Dec 27 15:18 |
| schestowitz | kde3 was, to my memory, technically better for work than kde4 | Dec 27 15:19 |
| cubexyz | it wouldn't be ksysguard if I rewrite it :) | Dec 27 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I last used kde3 in late 2012 | Dec 27 15:19 |
| cubexyz | it would be motif-sysguard | Dec 27 15:19 |
| cubexyz | but htop is probably good enough | Dec 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I assumed kde plasma5/framework5 was inevitable and would improve over time | Dec 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | after 8 months I no longer believe that | Dec 27 15:20 |
| cubexyz | maybe the BSD guys fixed ksysguard | Dec 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | there aren't even many plasmoids for it | Dec 27 15:20 |
| cubexyz | I haven't looked at that yet | Dec 27 15:20 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine from Uni, John tapsell, was ksysguard maintainer for a while. He worked for Nokia last I checked... | Dec 27 15:21 |
| schestowitz | So I guess now that Microsoft rendered Nokia dead he moved on | Dec 27 15:21 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: any point to fixing the caps? | Dec 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | (if they're the problem at all) | Dec 27 15:22 |
| cubexyz | just replace them | Dec 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | And what behaviour should I expect if they're bust | Dec 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | the PC just RARELY reached post | Dec 27 15:22 |
| cubexyz | discolouration, bad smell | Dec 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | it shuts down around POST time and now it rarely reached POST | Dec 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the tools for soldering | Dec 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | and a repair shop would charge as much as a new tablet | Dec 27 15:23 |
| cubexyz | you don't have to do it yourself, just find a good tech that will give you a quote | Dec 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll try that | Dec 27 15:23 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the UK has one :) | Dec 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | issue is, the hard drive is partly bust | Dec 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | so it's investing in a barely working PC | Dec 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: what would be the symptoms of cap issue? | Dec 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz | it used to shut down on its own once a week | Dec 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz | and more frequently over time | Dec 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | in summer it overheats | Dec 27 15:25 |
| cubexyz | exactly what you described... shutdown after a POST | Dec 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | and forced into shutdown when cpu meters say 120 degrees exactly | Dec 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | it no longer reaches post | Dec 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes a red light is lit as soon as I hit power | Dec 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | indicating some circular error | Dec 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | but very immediately | Dec 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | at the very moment I hit power | Dec 27 15:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, more practical suggestion... find a motherboard that doesn't overheat that has tantalum capacitors | Dec 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | days ago I managed to just get to boot menu briefly | Dec 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | only twice | Dec 27 15:26 |
| cubexyz | those can last >20 years | Dec 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | they would cost more than a new PC | Dec 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | inc. installation etc. | Dec 27 15:27 |
| cubexyz | some stuff really is junk | Dec 27 15:27 |
| schestowitz | like this PC after all that work | Dec 27 15:27 |
| schestowitz | worked 24/7 for 7+ years | Dec 27 15:27 |
| schestowitz | the GPU went bust | Dec 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | removed from the board to allow it to boot | Dec 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | HDD has bad sectors... | Dec 27 15:28 |
| cubexyz | I see a ton of broken PCs but the ones that lasted the longest were pre-P4 machines | Dec 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | this machine is already set up for some of my work | Dec 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | and buying anew means config work | Dec 27 15:29 |
| cubexyz | heat kills | Dec 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | but I already wasted many hours trying to get it back to life | Dec 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm still not convinced that capacitors are the issue | Dec 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | A month ago I managed to get it to boot into KDE desktop | Dec 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | then I suppose it overheated and died | Dec 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | (again) | Dec 27 15:30 |
| cubexyz | see, my Amiga 500 still works, it just doesn't get hot | Dec 27 15:30 |
| cubexyz | it was made in 1987 :) | Dec 27 15:30 |
| msb__ | I don't think it's worthwhile trying to troubleshoot and fix a motherboard. | Dec 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | it's educational | Dec 27 15:31 |
| msb__ | They only cost $100-200 -- about as much as a good cpu chip. | Dec 27 15:31 |
| schestowitz | the only upside of it | Dec 27 15:31 |
| cubexyz | well look at PDP-1 or LINC or IBM 1130 | Dec 27 15:31 |
| cubexyz | guys spent years on it | Dec 27 15:31 |
| cubexyz | so it depends | Dec 27 15:31 |
| schestowitz | dismantling the components and seeing the effects (as long as I don't get electrocuted) | Dec 27 15:31 |
| msb__ | You can troubleshoot those with an oscilloscope IF you have the schematics. | Dec 27 15:32 |
| cubexyz | Sun microsystem motherboards had a stabilizer bar that kept the motherboard from flexing too much | Dec 27 15:33 |
| cubexyz | so there are definitely things you can do to make stuff last longer | Dec 27 15:33 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I doubt even a refurbisher would know how to fix this box | Dec 27 15:33 |
| schestowitz | it where I wrote like 15,000 techrights articles | Dec 27 15:33 |
| schestowitz | the joy/curiosity trying to keep it going or fix it is gone by now | Dec 27 15:34 |
| msb__ | A computer has 5 components -- CPU, mobo, case/PS, disk, display. They all cost about the same -- $100-200. | Dec 27 15:35 |
| msb__ | They are all replaceable. | Dec 27 15:36 |
| msb__ | Oh, I forgot memory, that's 6. | Dec 27 15:36 |
| msb__ | All your data is on the old disk, which you can copy onto the new one. | Dec 27 15:37 |
| cubexyz | some people in the UK use: http://www.odyssey.co.uk | Dec 27 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.odyssey.co.uk | Odyssey Technologies, IT Repairs: Laptop, EPOS, Tape Drive | Dec 27 15:38 | |
| cubexyz | free assessment | Dec 27 15:38 |
| msb__ | If you have a memory problem, you can determine which stick is bad. | Dec 27 15:38 |
| msb__ | Other than that, just buy a new component. | Dec 27 15:38 |
| schestowitz | just went downstairs to test it again | Dec 27 15:40 |
| msb__ | Laptops are a whole other aggravation. | Dec 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | it's a winfast motherboard | Dec 27 15:40 |
| schestowitz | both blue and red lights on at the same time | Dec 27 15:41 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll give you another example... | Dec 27 15:41 |
| cubexyz | I know my Amiga 500 fairly well. | Dec 27 15:41 |
| cubexyz | so if it did break I'm pretty confident I could fix it | Dec 27 15:42 |
| cubexyz | so it depends on the device | Dec 27 15:42 |
| cubexyz | it has lots of socketed chips, it's easy to get at | Dec 27 15:42 |
| cubexyz | more modern stuff is more difficult | Dec 27 15:42 |
| cubexyz | also the chips are spaced fairly far apart | Dec 27 15:43 |
| cubexyz | millions were made, it's not hard to find parts | Dec 27 15:43 |
| cubexyz | odyssey has a pretty good reputation | Dec 27 15:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/213448-31-boot-shows-beeps-signal-monitor | Dec 27 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.co.uk | PC won't boot RED L.E.D shows,no beeps,no signal on monitor - Homebuilt - Systems [ http://ur1.ca/od18q ] | Dec 27 15:49 | |
| cubexyz | also clean the memory sockets :) | Dec 27 15:50 |
| cubexyz | they can get crapped up | Dec 27 15:50 |
| cubexyz | some motherboards seem to attract dust and dirt | Dec 27 15:51 |
| cubexyz | also the suggestion of removing cards is a good one | Dec 27 15:52 |
| msb__ | Interchangeable parts is a very important concept. I think it was first used on rifles, where people had to file down a new piece of metal for each repair. Now they just take a new one out of a box of them. | Dec 27 15:56 |
| msb__ | I used to fix minicomputers that had discrete parts -- transistors. | Dec 27 15:56 |
| msb__ | Then they started using chips, but if I had schematics I could analyze those with a delayed-sweep oscilloscope. | Dec 27 15:57 |
| msb__ | Now a $500 desktop runs at microwave frequencies. | Dec 27 15:58 |
| msb__ | You'd need a $5000 sampling scope to analyze them, if you had schematics, which you don't, | Dec 27 15:58 |
| msb__ | That's all to fix a mobo that costs $100. | Dec 27 15:58 |
| cubexyz | but you could have a computer that runs a lot slower like 10 mhz | Dec 27 15:59 |
| msb__ | See, originally the replaceable part was a transistor. | Dec 27 15:59 |
| msb__ | Then it was an IC -- a chip. | Dec 27 15:59 |
| msb__ | Now it is a motherboard. | Dec 27 15:59 |
| msb__ | When you can't see inside a thing, you have to replace it. | Dec 27 15:59 |
| cubexyz | old PDP's had flip-chips | Dec 27 16:00 |
| cubexyz | they were still integrated circuits I think | Dec 27 16:01 |
| msb__ | Yes, you can have a 10MHz clock computer, but you can't display videos on it, nor run complex software like X. | Dec 27 16:01 |
| msb__ | Flip-chips were little plugin boards, about 3x5 inches, that plugged into a wire-wrapped back panel. | Dec 27 16:02 |
| msb__ | They first had transistors, then ICs. | Dec 27 16:02 |
| cubexyz | uh, IBM RTs ran at 10 mhz and they ran X | Dec 27 16:02 |
| cubexyz | just saying | Dec 27 16:02 |
| cubexyz | X has been around a long time | Dec 27 16:03 |
| cubexyz | Amigas definitely ran video for TV stations back in the day | Dec 27 16:07 |
| msb__ | They probably _switched_ the video. I doubt that they processed it. | Dec 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | OK, wasted an hour reading about it, will make further attempts http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/tutorial-no-post-power-on-self-test.113137/ :/ | Dec 27 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techspot.com | Tutorial: No POST (Power On Self Test) - TechSpot Forums [ http://ur1.ca/od196 ] | Dec 27 16:07 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: "No POST" means the mobo is fucked, buy a new one. Period. | Dec 27 16:08 |
| cubexyz | the Amiga could directly output to NTSC :) | Dec 27 16:08 |
| cubexyz | I'd say that's video | Dec 27 16:08 |
| cubexyz | the amiga's video chips can genlock, and match the NTSC video signal | Dec 27 16:11 |
| msb__ | OK, playing an old .avi, X takes 6% of my dual-core cpu, which I think runs at something like 2.8GHz. | Dec 27 16:11 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Try playing an x.264 video on it., | Dec 27 16:12 |
| cubexyz | I didn't say anything about avi, I merely said video | Dec 27 16:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Do check the power voltages before tossing the mobo. | Dec 27 16:13 |
| cubexyz | some TV stations used amigas, it's well documented | Dec 27 16:14 |
| cubexyz | the beginning of affordable CGI in fact | Dec 27 16:14 |
| msb__ | For today's needs, $500 will buy a dual-core capable of playing x265s if you balance it out carefully . | Dec 27 16:21 |
| msb__ | $1000 will buy an 8-core screamer that can encode x265s and edit videos. | Dec 27 16:21 |
| msb__ | Both of those use replaceable parts, so that if something dies, the most it will cost you is $100 or $200 respectively. And you don't need schematics or a sampling scope. | Dec 27 16:24 |
| msb__ | A $35 multimeter comes in handy, though. | Dec 27 16:28 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Actually, no POST might indicate a bad cpu. You could try running that cpu chip in a good computer that it's compatible with. Or try a known good cpu in yours. | Dec 27 16:38 |
| msb__ | This is like trying to fix a jet plane using chipped-flint tools. | Dec 27 16:39 |
| cubexyz | no, the suggestion is a good one | Dec 27 16:40 |
| cubexyz | but it's more likely the motherboard is failing | Dec 27 16:40 |
| msb__ | Module-swapping is shameful, but sometimes it's the only way. | Dec 27 16:40 |
| cubexyz | I'd say figure out what caused the failure first | Dec 27 16:40 |
| msb__ | When you solder caps on a mobo, do you use a low-voltage iron with a grounded tip, and connect the ground to the mobo ground? | Dec 27 16:41 |
| cubexyz | if it's heat damage then don't use it period | Dec 27 16:41 |
| msb__ | ksysguard 4 with temperature tracks is very good for preventing heat damage. | Dec 27 16:42 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I'd say use a temperature controlled soldering iron | Dec 27 16:42 |
| cubexyz | small tip | Dec 27 16:42 |
| msb__ | That too. | Dec 27 16:42 |
| cubexyz | if the board is dead it's a worthy learning excerise | Dec 27 16:43 |
| msb__ | But it should have a stepdown transformer and be grounded. | Dec 27 16:43 |
| msb__ | If the board stays dead, you can't really learn much. | Dec 27 16:44 |
| cubexyz | wear safety glasses too | Dec 27 16:47 |
| msb__ | I spent $30 on a 3rd party oversize cpu cooler -- big fan and widely spaced fins so the lint/dust can be blown out of it. Makes a big difference in the cpu temperature. | Dec 27 16:48 |
| msb__ | Why safety glasses? | Dec 27 16:48 |
| cubexyz | eye protection | Dec 27 16:49 |
| msb__ | I guess the flux could spatter even with a low-temp pencil iron. | Dec 27 16:49 |
| msb__ | Oh, I thought it was for ass protection. | Dec 27 16:50 |
| cubexyz | ever work with polymers? | Dec 27 16:50 |
| cubexyz | you would wear eye protection for that, soldering too | Dec 27 16:50 |
| cubexyz | even regular glasses would help a lot | Dec 27 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: just reattempted many things | Dec 27 16:58 |
| schestowitz | no joy, not even POST | Dec 27 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Did manage to bork the lights at the front, though | Dec 27 16:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a string of 8 wired separate, could figure out the order in which put them back on the 8 pins | Dec 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz | or maybe I fried the lights | Dec 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz | msb__ this PC did reach post last week, once or twice | Dec 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz | now it's back to now doing anything except running the fans and lights.... well, not fans now, the lights no longer show up, but the power unit and all seems ok | Dec 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz | not likely to be PSU or CPU | Dec 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz | When the former is bad, it'll never work, the second also | Dec 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz | it would be cheaper to just get some reasonably old PC and toss the HDD in it, despite the bad sectors and all | Dec 27 17:01 |
| msb__ | The PSU puts out about 5 different voltages. Buy a voltmeter and check them all. | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | when I come to think of it, the problem existed for years | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | it just got worse recently, and dead bad last month | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | years ago the machine would overheat | Dec 27 17:04 |
| msb__ | If the disk is going bad, copy the data to a new one and don't use the old one. | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | but the fans worked and cleaning it would not help | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it wouldn't boot | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | red light would show | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | taking it off the main (power) and then back it would help it get going again | Dec 27 17:05 |
| schestowitz | so the problem is still the same, but now it shuts down more often and it no longer reaches POST or starts doing anything | Dec 27 17:05 |
| msb__ | Is your data backed up? | Dec 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | no need, the data there I don't need much | Dec 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I migrated away 2 years ago | Dec 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | the only thing I still get out of this machine is some experimentation and use by guests | Dec 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | and music | Dec 27 17:06 |
| msb__ | Huh? | Dec 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | not the data is the issue | Dec 27 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to understand what the problem was all these years | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't seem to be the fans | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | but it definitely overheated | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if this could be something else | Dec 27 17:07 |
| msb__ | Music is data. | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | streaming | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | youtube | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | for this one | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't usually stream, but this machine was ok for it | Dec 27 17:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should just declare it dead, I wasted a lot of time in vain also trying to bring back to life another machine, which died | Dec 27 17:10 |
| schestowitz | even its power supply eventually went busted after I experimented with it | Dec 27 17:10 |
| schestowitz | It's a bit depressing | Dec 27 17:10 |
| schestowitz | losing machines that used to work perfectly fine | Dec 27 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and there's no easy cure for them | Dec 27 17:10 |
| schestowitz | as it's not even clear which replacement 'part' they need | Dec 27 17:11 |
| msb__ | These computers contain billions of transistors. You would need a year in a lab with an electron microscope to figure out what's wrong with it. | Dec 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm tempted to become one of those people who just buy a "new one" when something old breaks | Dec 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz | it would reduce all this frustration and waste of time | Dec 27 17:12 |
| msb__ | First test the PSU voltages. Then swap whatever components you can. If that doesn't work, buy a new one. | Dec 27 17:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=refurbished+pc&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC1.A0.H0.Xrefurbished+pc+linux.TRS0&_nkw=refurbished+pc+linux&_sacat=0 | Dec 27 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.co.uk | refurbished pc linux | eBay [ http://ur1.ca/od1b7 ] | Dec 27 17:15 | |
| msb__ | On the new one, install an oversize cpu cooler and continuously measure the cpu temperatures with ksysguard. | Dec 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Well, I could run the VGA from a raspi I gyess | Dec 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | *guess | Dec 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | might be better for power user | Dec 27 17:15 |
| cubexyz | the problem is if you replace the motherboard sometimes you are forced to replace almost everything else | Dec 27 17:17 |
| cubexyz | the memory, the cpu, even video card sometimes | Dec 27 17:17 |
| msb__ | It requires compatibility research to avoid that. | Dec 27 17:18 |
| cubexyz | what are they up to now, DDR4? | Dec 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz | buy an alternative refurb feels like admission of loss | Dec 27 17:19 |
| cubexyz | 72-pin, 100-pin, 144, 168, 172, 184, 200, etc | Dec 27 17:19 |
| schestowitz | A bit disappointed this machine lasted WELL for maybe 5 years, or 4 in mind condition | Dec 27 17:19 |
| cubexyz | I think DDR is 288-pin | Dec 27 17:19 |
| schestowitz | though some people say they're built to last 5 years these days | Dec 27 17:19 |
| msb__ | refurb: disk and fans have moving parts that wear out. Also could have been heat-stressed. | Dec 27 17:20 |
| cubexyz | we don't really have good part interchangeably since things change so often | Dec 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz | I bought a refurb in 2011 and 2 years later it already had temperature issues that caused shutdown | Dec 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | a year later it died | Dec 27 17:21 |
| cubexyz | I can say this much for certain... | Dec 27 17:21 |
| cubexyz | the coppermine P3's lasted a lot longer than 5 years | Dec 27 17:21 |
| msb__ | $500 for 5 years is a cheap cup of coffee/day. | Dec 27 17:21 |
| cubexyz | that really doesn't excuse bad engineering | Dec 27 17:22 |
| cubexyz | some stuff lasted a lot longer than 5 years | Dec 27 17:22 |
| msb__ | Buy one that's 2-4 times faster than the old one and your guests can play better videos. | Dec 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | no VGA http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-New-in-Original-Packaging-Great-for-HTPC-use-/271041348000?hash=item3f1b52c1a0:m:mpdb0ohArJ7-F2bJXy2esow | Dec 27 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.co.uk | Raspberry Pi Model B New in Original Packaging. Great for HTPC use! | eBay [ http://ur1.ca/od1bj ] | Dec 27 17:23 | |
| msb__ | ASUS mobos advertise mil-spec caps. The fannage is up to you. | Dec 27 17:23 |
| cubexyz | would you be happy with a lawnmower that lasted 5 years? | Dec 27 17:24 |
| msb__ | Yeah, if it had 10 billion transistors. | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if these are any good for Android tabelets http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Adapter-Converter-Cable-for-Tablet-Phone-Projector-/351217653599?hash=item51c634175f:g:f8UAAMXQeW5Ta2Gh | Dec 27 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.co.uk | Micro HDMI Male to VGA Female Adapter Converter Cable for Tablet Phone Projector | eBay [ http://ur1.ca/od1bk ] | Dec 27 17:25 | |
| schestowitz | Some tablets now cost, anew, 50 quid only | Dec 27 17:25 |
| cubexyz | it's not about the number of transistors, it's about how well it runs without overheating | Dec 27 17:26 |
| cubexyz | if it overheats and breaks, that's bad engineering | Dec 27 17:27 |
| cubexyz | good for the manufacturer, bad for the customer | Dec 27 17:27 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the manufacturers would just love it if nothing lasted over 5 years | Dec 27 17:27 |
| msb__ | It's up to the customer to choose good heatsink, adequate fans, and monitor the temperatures. | Dec 27 17:28 |
| cubexyz | how about laptops? | Dec 27 17:28 |
| cubexyz | they are just plain badly designed | Dec 27 17:29 |
| msb__ | I don't use them. | Dec 27 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Seems like it's very device specific, need mini hdmi port http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/computer-accessories/power-and-cables/computing-cables-and-adaptors/iwantit-imdhdd13-mini-displayport-adapter-21359616-pdt.html?gclid=CPWX1JaM_ckCFaKE2wodiX4Kbw&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!75233736499!!!g!110895001700!&ef_id=UoU9-AAABC8fArwM:20151227223218:s | Dec 27 17:32 |
| cubexyz | I got an HP one that's not bad... 2004 era | Dec 27 17:32 |
| msb__ | I'm getting spam from Fry's for a $100 10" laptop. | Dec 27 17:33 |
| cubexyz | it still works well | Dec 27 17:33 |
| cubexyz | what do you get for $100? | Dec 27 17:33 |
| cubexyz | you can get the pi-top kit for $99 | Dec 27 17:37 |
| cubexyz | needs a raspberry pi though | Dec 27 17:37 |
| cubexyz | delivery by april 2016 | Dec 27 17:37 |
| msb__ | http://www.frys.com/product/8604720?site=116premail121415 | Dec 27 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.frys.com | FRYS.com | EMATIC [ http://ur1.ca/od1bv ] | Dec 27 17:37 | |
| msb__ | Wow Ematic! Better than Emetic. | Dec 27 17:38 |
| msb__ | The windows 8.1 is the emetic part. | Dec 27 17:39 |
| cubexyz | haha | Dec 27 17:40 |
| cubexyz | "a medicine or other substance that causes vomiting" | Dec 27 17:40 |
| msb__ | One year warranty, so 27 cents/day. | Dec 27 17:42 |
| msb__ | Cats don't last forever, and they're a lot more expensive. | Dec 27 17:47 |
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| cubexyz | https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-microsoft-78af12071bd | Dec 27 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Why I’m Saying Goodbye to Apple, Google and Microsoft — Backchannel — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/jtanm ] | Dec 27 20:09 | |
| cubexyz | communities, not corporates | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | very succinct | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | we'll see how things go with pi-top | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 27 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | hi scientes | Dec 27 20:50 |
| schestowitz | merry xmas, sorry I missed your presence in the channel the other day | Dec 27 20:50 |
| schestowitz | been busy here with backlog regarding the european patent office, among other holiday-y things | Dec 27 20:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.people.com/article/microsoft-employees-serenade-apple-employees-peace-on-earth-video | Dec 27 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.people.com | Microsoft Employees Serenade Apple, Bring 'Peace' to Tech's Biggest Rivalry : People.com [ http://ur1.ca/od1hd ] | Dec 27 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | dafaq | Dec 27 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsofttaxdodge.com/ is gone | Dec 27 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.microsofttaxdodge.com | microsofttaxdodge.com - Registered at Namecheap.com | Dec 27 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | lost with the ashtray of history | Dec 27 21:03 |
| schestowitz | just when the IRS may need it | Dec 27 21:03 |
| schestowitz | also quite a few MS blogs vanished | Dec 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | which I guess is good and bad | Dec 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | good: less propaganda | Dec 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | bad: my links to them are now invalid, except when the Internet Archive is used | Dec 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2012/08/microsoft-builds-software-for-nypd.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search tyranny's cross-pollination | Dec 27 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | Microsoft, Bloomberg announce new software for NYPD counterterrorism efforts - Puget Sound Business Journal [ http://ur1.ca/od1hq ] | Dec 27 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | http://kroah.com/log/blog/2014/01/15/kdbus-details/ | Dec 27 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kroah.com | kdbus details - Linux Kernel Monkey Log [ http://ur1.ca/gfh2l ] | Dec 27 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | never happened, did it? | Dec 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | that was his last post | Dec 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | nothing for almost 2 years | Dec 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | MS Stasi http://mic.com/articles/130756/microsoft-will-help-police-predict-who-is-most-likely-to-commit-future-crimes | Dec 27 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mic.com | Microsoft Will Help Police Predict Who Is Most Likely to Commit Future Crimes - Mic | Dec 27 21:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/681407291682328576 | Dec 28 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: Best way to switch from Windows is to slowly substitute apps for free/cloud alternatives & learn to use Virtualbox. https://t.co/1ypAhqsri9 | Dec 28 04:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: WINE 1.7 review - Alcoholics Anonymous https://t.co/5IeJ9SgTWz #wine | Dec 28 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6932041 | Dec 28 04:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 48 hours now without #kde and so far I'm far better off with a very minimalist desktop (zero icons). Mostly missing #klipper and a taskbar | Dec 28 04:36 | |
| schestowitz | "TDE’s klipper is OK. I run it on E16. The 3.5 branch also gives me Palm sync." | Dec 28 04:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/681416127315111936 | Dec 28 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz thanks for the info. I was wondering why I couldn't reach 'em. | Dec 28 05:08 | |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, is there a clipboard thing for motif? | Dec 28 16:25 |
| cubexyz | now I remember... cutview | Dec 28 16:29 |
| cubexyz | all it really did was display the X-window past buffer | Dec 28 16:31 |
| schestowitz | msb__: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yiq59/eli5_if_people_dont_like_systemd_very_much_why/ | Dec 28 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | ELI5: If people don't like systemd very much, why are there no systemd alternatives? And why are distributions adopting it? : linux | Dec 28 16:31 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Motif Window Manager did not include a clipboard tool by default. But it did not take long for people to add on. | Dec 28 16:31 |
| cubexyz | don't think anyone has written one lately :) | Dec 28 16:33 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Thanks! | Dec 28 16:34 |
| cubexyz | there are alternatives | Dec 28 16:35 |
| cubexyz | all I see is yammering and no info | Dec 28 16:36 |
| msb__ | OMG! Here is Paul Craig Roberts on RT! He is so great! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Dec 28 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Dec 28 16:37 | |
| cubexyz | you can hilight stuff from cutview and it automatically appears in klipper | Dec 28 16:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681589579107930112 | Dec 28 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz : the folks over @libreoffice could use a bug report :-) | Dec 28 16:40 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I don't think the old motif stuff can handle utf-8? | Dec 28 16:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MathFaithWorks/status/681589780380020736 | Dec 28 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MathFaithWorks: @schestowitz If anyone files a patent document online, please tweet. | Dec 28 16:41 | |
| cubexyz | none of the stuff I wrote did at least | Dec 28 16:41 |
| msb__ | At the bottom of each of PCR's articles he's shown holding two cats! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/images/photos/withkitties_150_120.jpg | Dec 28 16:42 |
| schestowitz | (OT: the tux machines bot will be back maybe in a week, VPS issue, Toby is away) | Dec 28 16:42 |
| cubexyz | maybe it's a font problem | Dec 28 16:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 true old motif stuff cannot handle utf-8 why utf-8 only comes into main stay in 1992. | Dec 28 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | UTF-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 28 16:43 | |
| cubexyz | guess I'll stick with klipper for now | Dec 28 16:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: any motif library prior to 2.1 does not support unicode. Yes codepage hell. | Dec 28 16:46 |
| cubexyz | I'm using 2.3.3 so maybe it is possible | Dec 28 16:48 |
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| oiaohm | 2.3.3 support unicode/utf-8 | Dec 28 16:48 |
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| cubexyz | I can't put chinese characters into xrolodex | Dec 28 16:52 |
| cubexyz | it's pretty old code though... looks like 1996 | Dec 28 16:53 |
| cubexyz | kaddressbook I think would be the KDE equivalent | Dec 28 16:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681596631364538369 | Dec 28 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice that would be awesome if Libreoffice could support markdown slides. | Dec 28 17:05 | |
| schestowitz | I still use S5, HTML+CSS+JS | Dec 28 17:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681597289937408002 | Dec 28 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @ch_s @libreoffice I had a wikislides project using S5 back in the days. React.js code looks too complicated and too big. | Dec 28 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681597317477187585 | Dec 28 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten : markdown support for Impress : cool idea. I dream of an orgmode support in Writer. #Darkside | Dec 28 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | I was never 'impressed' by WYSIWYG for presentations.... too rigid, requires big programs to make sense of | Dec 28 17:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681598137455259648 | Dec 28 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten with GIT integration, so that we can get proper diffs and history. | Dec 28 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | use latex for that, output as PS/PDF | Dec 28 17:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681598414933635072 https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681598559003619328 | Dec 28 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten : nope. You need to work with LibreOffice's own change tracking system here. | Dec 28 17:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz @zoobab @libreoffice @thooorsten : I just don't get the use of Latex. Beautiful looking docs though. | Dec 28 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681599603150577666 | Dec 28 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten Simplest presentation is one word per slide. Or bullet points. Should fit in a simple text file. | Dec 28 17:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dr_alk68/status/681602418954612737 | Dec 28 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dr_alk68: @AngeloTofalo https://t.co/QO5OFLmq0Z | Dec 28 17:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Recently Bought a Windows Computer? Microsoft Probably Has Your Encryption Key https://t.co/9dcHiwFUfx yes https://t.co/rPoEuNPs10 | Dec 28 17:34 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681613311268503553 | Dec 28 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: important stuff #EPO #UPC #swpats https://t.co/y0tIE4QZiG | Dec 28 18:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody Today's Chaos Computer Club (CCC) Talk: EU Software and Business Method Patents: Call for Action https://t.co/qsqfxjzXty | Dec 28 18:14 | |
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| msb__ | Rand Paul and Jesse Ventura both on RT! I'm still reading the systemd article. | Dec 28 18:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IdeaGov/status/681622529987854336 | Dec 28 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IdeaGov: hmm https://t.co/JvZvdBuMXb | Dec 28 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PattieGardner/status/681627383779201024 | Dec 28 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PattieGardner: @schestowitz @glynmoody https://t.co/lo3U5af5q0 | Dec 28 19:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Yanis Varoufakis: »MONEY AND POWER«, Public Lecture 2015-11-04 - YouTube | Dec 28 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sweis/status/681630963516887040 | Dec 28 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sweis: @schestowitz Why are you publicly accusing me of being a liar? | Dec 28 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | I am inclined to believe that what gnupg wrote was correct and facebook changed the story later, in response | Dec 28 19:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sweis/status/681633403741978624 | Dec 28 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sweis: @schestowitz The support was never rescinded. @iMeluny has more context. | Dec 28 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, Steve, will check it out later | Dec 28 19:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iMeluny/status/681634134498881537 | Dec 28 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iMeluny: @sweis @schestowitz gnupg confirmed receipt of $50K from Facebook in Sept. There was miscommunication about 2016, but we intend to support. | Dec 28 19:34 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, good stuff | Dec 28 19:34 |
| msb__ | Re systemd: Several people reported problems with it regarding starting/stopping various daemons -- exactly what it's supposed to be good at. So why did almost all of the major distros adopt it? | Dec 28 19:36 |
| msb__ | "That systemd is everywhere (read: On all the distros that do not cater to users that want control over their system) has more to do with that it makes the work of distro maintainers easier, not per se the life of the user of said distro. ... But performance most certainly is not, and was never the reason. " | Dec 28 19:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681617971073171456 | Dec 28 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Found this useful probes octopussy with many arms at Sigrok's desk, super useful for JTAG pinout detection #32c3 https://t.co/V1ybNhtFte | Dec 28 19:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Found this useful probes octopussy with many arms at Sigrok's desk, super useful for JTAG pinout detection #32c3 https://t.co/V1ybNhtFte | Dec 28 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: murdock threatens suicide | Dec 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz | see his twitter feed right now | Dec 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/imurdock | Dec 28 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 28 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | In my view, it's really him, not 'hacked' | Dec 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz | start bottom... to top | Dec 28 19:38 |
| schestowitz | this is likely to become big news soon | Dec 28 19:38 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sysvinit also had issues starting deamons. Also do take note there is a claim about NTP that systemd does not display error message that turns out to be bogus crap. | Dec 28 19:42 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Percentage of systemd hate is the same hate that happens when ever you change anything. | Dec 28 19:44 |
| msb__ | OMG, He's the Ian in Debian! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock | Dec 28 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ian Murdock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/od302 ] | Dec 28 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/681637140535635968 | Dec 28 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz The Unitary Patent will be prone to the same failures as the Unitary Currency | Dec 28 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: yes | Dec 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fake | Dec 28 19:49 |
| schestowitz | looks like he's just stressed | Dec 28 19:49 |
| msb__ | Does he say anywhere why those cops attacked him? | Dec 28 19:52 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, to put it simply systemd just isn't Unix principles | Dec 28 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | knocked on neighbours's door | Dec 28 20:00 |
| cubexyz | if you change stuff too much you've changed it into something else entirely | Dec 28 20:00 |
| schestowitz | so he said (with a typo) | Dec 28 20:00 |
| cubexyz | we used to have a LKM for scanners and it worked fine | Dec 28 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I think it's really him writing this, just fresh (past 2 hours) | Dec 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://twitter.com/imurdock | Dec 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz | this may become a big story soonish | Dec 28 20:02 |
| cubexyz | then for some reason I don't understand it's deprecated | Dec 28 20:02 |
| cubexyz | this constant morphing of software is just too much | Dec 28 20:03 |
| cubexyz | at some point you have to have a bedrock of functionality which doesn't continuously change | Dec 28 20:03 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, what's up? | Dec 28 20:05 |
| schestowitz | see what murdock says | Dec 28 20:05 |
| cubexyz | oh! | Dec 28 20:05 |
| cubexyz | damn | Dec 28 20:05 |
| cubexyz | where does Murdock live? | Dec 28 20:06 |
| cubexyz | oh, California :) | Dec 28 20:06 |
| cubexyz | ok.... | Dec 28 20:06 |
| cubexyz | yikes | Dec 28 20:06 |
| cubexyz | ok, just ignore my ranting... I don't really have any big problems :) | Dec 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/imurdock/status/681627754475859968 | Dec 28 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@imurdock: This was right after the female officer ripped off my underwear.. I guess that's not considered rape if you're not a woman being raped. | Dec 28 20:09 | |
| cubexyz | I don't understand the circumstances | Dec 28 20:13 |
| cubexyz | looks like a hacked twitter account | Dec 28 20:19 |
| cubexyz | the phraseology looks wrong | Dec 28 20:19 |
| cubexyz | "but the police here beat me up for knowing on my neighbor's door" | Dec 28 20:20 |
| cubexyz | doesn't make much sense | Dec 28 20:20 |
| msb__ | I think "knowing" was meant to be "knocking". | Dec 28 20:22 |
| msb__ | I wish I could find his phone number. I want to tell him about psychopaths and getting a lawyer through the National Lawyers Guild. The ID on his domain record is hidden. | Dec 28 20:24 |
| MinceR | knowing in the biblical sense | Dec 28 20:26 |
| cubexyz | very strange situation | Dec 28 20:26 |
| cubexyz | hope he's ok | Dec 28 20:26 |
| schestowitz | stressed for sure (if not hacked) | Dec 28 20:43 |
| schestowitz | he said he had many stitches and bruises | Dec 28 20:43 |
| schestowitz | so imagine bleeding, probably at the head | Dec 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | not easy to type like that | Dec 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | the police let him off easy... they stitched him back up | Dec 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | and let him out of the cage, to where he can urinate | Dec 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I heard a similar story about a guy who now lives near Manchester, in swinton | Dec 28 20:45 |
| schestowitz | in Canada he was put under arrest | Dec 28 20:45 |
| schestowitz | where people were left cold, kind of naked, nowhere to piss and s*** | Dec 28 20:45 |
| schestowitz | That was in Toronoto | Dec 28 20:45 |
| schestowitz | All he did to deserve this was to joke while filming that he was some kind of british undercover police | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | so they said, "impersonating an officer" | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | they later dropped these charges | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | he had it on tape, he was clearly joking at that time | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | So this can obviously happen in Harper's Canada as well | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | many people like him were put in cages | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I think circa g20 summit | Dec 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ | Dec 28 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! : linux [ http://ur1.ca/od32w ] | Dec 28 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | "This is what happens when you use Sid." | Dec 28 20:53 |
| schestowitz | "Guy needs help from either a lawyer or a psychologist." | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I suspect there is much more to this story than knocking on his neighbors door. I sense a desperate man here folks. | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I bet we're going to see something about sexual harassment and ...worse. | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Dude needs to wipe his hard drives quickly and lawyer up. | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | ' | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Another life ruined by the state and its minions. Fuck the police. | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Also wtf ian you're white don't throw that slur around like you can feel its weight | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I think he used it perfectly. Capitalisation proves that the choice of the word wasn't accidental, but deliberate. | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Many white and Asian Americans, watching news about police brutality where the victim is black, think that it's not their problem: "It won't happen to me, I'm not a nі****r. He probably deserved it." Obviously, they'll never say it aloud, but in their mind there's a distinction: middle-class or higher working-class white people vs poor black people. People who can get shot by a cop at night, and people who cannot. Guess what – a huge | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | chunk of American police force is made of violent jerks on a power trip. The poorer neighbourhood, the bigger feeling of power they have, but they can get triggered everywhere and at everyone. And when "triggered", I'm implying there might be an actual physical trigger involved as well. | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | So Murdock is saying that this particular idea which many white people are thinking, but not admitting publicly, is false. He is referring to a slur hidden behind a curtain of political correctness in the backs of brains of those suburb spoiled brats, who feel safe and treat police violence as another filler for the news, to hit straight into the core of the issue. He is saying: "no sugarcoating – your ass is not safe". | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | The message may be alienating to many, but those are not the ones to whom the message was directed. Those would already know there's a problem. It's those who cheer violent police acts (which is correlated with being white and casual racial slur use) who should listen to his story the most. They will notice the word, and unlike the sensitive ones, they won't immediately ignore the sentence. And maybe, they will realise that when it comes to | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | getting beaten up by a guy with a uniform and a gun, everyone can be a n****r one day. | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | |That would be rational. Suicidal people are generally not. Erratic behavior is to be expected, even from people who had previously been "stable" or even without previous known mental health issues. I hope he gets the help he needs.| | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | why oh why do people commit their breakdowns to the web? | Dec 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | he is right, his career is over. | Dec 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | "If he really wanted to commit suicide, he would've done it already. I don't think anyone in that situation would be broadcasting that on twitter so a lot of people find out and can kick down his door to prevent him from actually doing it.' | Dec 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | "Not necessarily true at all, depends on the motivations and very difficult to asses. Any threat of suicide has to be taken seriously no matter what. You're alluding to a sort of chronic depressed recluse, which is only one potentially suicidal personality type. I say this as a medical doctor who worked for a year in neuro/psych before switching fields, and this is pretty basic stuff." | Dec 28 20:56 |
| msb__ | Apparently the only way to communicate with Murdock is via twitter. I tried to join it, but someone had already joined using my email address. I tried to change the password, but then it said that the account was not recognized. | Dec 28 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/681669819461156868 | Dec 29 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz mirror https://t.co/qI12zg1XiU | Dec 29 02:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/681692700639268865 | Dec 29 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: cc:@schestowitz https://t.co/PyoXARQnBf | Dec 29 02:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@subTee: A normal User can easily elevate rights on C:\Windows\Tracing. icacls /grant... Yet Another Default AppLocker Bypass https://t.co/3u3iIuGhRj | Dec 29 02:37 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/thooorsten/status/681657265590505473 https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681741072649814016 | Dec 29 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thooorsten: @zoobab @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice it's already there: https://t.co/edgf9ELXGx :) | Dec 29 04:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com | thorstenb/odpdown · GitHub | Dec 29 04:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @thooorsten @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @github : oh joy! | Dec 29 04:00 | |
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| schestowitz | > "you can imagine the long odds faced by the typical victim of a botched | Dec 29 06:05 |
| schestowitz | > raid." | Dec 29 06:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 06:05 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/28/federal-judge-drinking-tea-shopping-at-a-gardening-store-is-probable-cause-for-a-swat-raid-on-your-home/ | Dec 29 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Federal judge: Drinking tea, shopping at a gardening store is probable cause for a SWAT raid on your home - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/od3ur ] | Dec 29 06:05 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 06:05 |
| schestowitz | > the courts themselves drag the case out more | Dec 29 06:05 |
| schestowitz | See https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ | Dec 29 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! : linux [ http://ur1.ca/od32w ] | Dec 29 06:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/681791614067585025 | Dec 29 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz Saudi Barbaria, I like that ! It's very apt | Dec 29 06:05 | |
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| msb__ | How many of us used to live in this sad world? http://www.turboyourpc.com/ | Dec 29 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.turboyourpc.com | Turbo Your Computer - A NEW COMPUTER WITHOUT THE PRICE TAG | Dec 29 07:38 | |
| msb__ | But now systemd is doing the same thing to Linux. What is an up-to-date non-systemd distro with lots of helpful users that we can recommend to people? | Dec 29 07:41 |
| schestowitz | my system, even without kde, is laggy | Dec 29 07:44 |
| schestowitz | can take 10 seconds sometimes to open a simple programs | Dec 29 07:44 |
| schestowitz | but I don't know what's causing this utterly bad behaviour | Dec 29 07:44 |
| schestowitz | i rmemeber some system freezes in Ubuntu around 2006-2007 | Dec 29 07:44 |
| schestowitz | on particular hardware | Dec 29 07:44 |
| schestowitz | like 5-second pauses | Dec 29 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/yuhong2/status/681818136631328768 https://twitter.com/MartinStoermer/status/675921152087228416 | Dec 29 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yuhong2: @FOSSpatents @MartinStoermer @schestowitz There is https://t.co/CiOgwtv7Pb which lists the EPO ones only. | Dec 29 07:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Dec 29 07:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MartinStoermer: If you’re not already following the excellent coverage of the shenanigans at the EPO via @FOSSpatents then you probably should. | Dec 29 07:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/braxtonbashin/status/681818970538831872 | Dec 29 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@braxtonbashin: https://t.co/qSL21Nyqao looking for a new search site on your phone? https://t.co/sx6mXGtlaI | Dec 29 08:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Judge Not Impressed With Government's Warrantless 921-Page 'Peek' Into A Suspect's Cellphone https://t.co/Q9Ew2KehPY warrants a mirage now | Dec 29 08:01 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: which hardware and software are you running? Have you gotten rid of systemd? Have you looked at the end of /var/log/messages after one of these delays to see if it reports any errors? | Dec 29 08:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have checked dmesg for io error message and checked swap memory usage. Linux does not perform that great at times once systems starts running int swap. | Dec 29 08:09 |
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| MinceR | sounds like a good reason not to fill up the memory with crap like systemd, kdbus, gnome3 and kde5 | Dec 29 08:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681832617407332352 | Dec 29 08:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz technical troll. | Dec 29 08:49 | |
| schestowitz | technical as such | Dec 29 08:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/681834115335884800 | Dec 29 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: Call it a dangerous power grab that will facilitate fascism. We've seen this sort of thing play out before. https://t.co/hX5YDrKsO7 | Dec 29 08:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When will media stop calling anti #encryption "anti terror" as if encryption itself (or privacy) is terror? https://t.co/STRXwMO5s9 | Dec 29 08:50 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah :( | Dec 29 08:50 |
| schestowitz | msb__: can't get rid of systemd on systemd systems | Dec 29 08:50 |
| schestowitz | it's an infestation like no other | Dec 29 08:50 |
| schestowitz | top process | Dec 29 08:50 |
| schestowitz | the whole distros get rebuilt around it | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: I know, but have you tried one like q4os? | Dec 29 08:53 |
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| cubexyz | q4os, the goodness of KDE3 + KDE4 and no systemd :) | Dec 29 12:23 |
| MinceR | >the goodness of KDE4 | Dec 29 12:24 |
| MinceR | No such file or directory | Dec 29 12:24 |
| cubexyz | the problem is some of the KDE3 stuff is orphaned | Dec 29 12:24 |
| cubexyz | now if I go back to KDE 3.4.2 pretty much it all worked | Dec 29 12:25 |
| cubexyz | and worse, no one seems to accept KDE 3.5.10 bug fixes | Dec 29 12:25 |
| MinceR | not even TDE? | Dec 29 12:26 |
| amarsh04 | one of the reasons I kept KDE 3.5.9/10 on this machine was for Quanta plus, an html editor | Dec 29 12:27 |
| cubexyz | are the TDE folks on IRC? Maybe I should talk to them | Dec 29 12:27 |
| cubexyz | ok they are in \#trinity-desktop | Dec 29 12:29 |
| msb__ | Deep! http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_illusion_of_freedom_20151227 | Dec 29 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truthdig.com | Chris Hedges: The Illusion of Freedom - Chris Hedges - Truthdig | Dec 29 12:33 | |
| cubexyz | oh well, I told them about it | Dec 29 12:33 |
| msb__ | They're good folks. They should respond. | Dec 29 12:35 |
| msb__ | But probably they will want to know which version of TDE the ksysguard comes from. | Dec 29 12:37 |
| cubexyz | it's been botched up since 2008 | Dec 29 12:38 |
| cubexyz | I only noticed recently because I haven't used ksysguard on KDE 3.5.10 until recently | Dec 29 12:38 |
| msb__ | But is it working in the latest TDE version? If it is, then you (and q4os) should simply upgrade. | Dec 29 12:39 |
| cubexyz | even so I still think KDE 3.5.10 should be fixed | Dec 29 12:40 |
| msb__ | You can't hold them responsible for bugs they have already fixed. | Dec 29 12:40 |
| msb__ | KDE or TDE? | Dec 29 12:40 |
| cubexyz | both | Dec 29 12:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You've upgraded from the official TDE repo? | Dec 29 12:40 |
| XRevan86 | for Debian Wheezy | Dec 29 12:41 |
| msb__ | They're not maintaining KDE. They're maintaining TDE | Dec 29 12:41 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I'm not sure how to upgrade trinity on q4os | Dec 29 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Names of packages can be different but might not be | Dec 29 12:42 |
| MinceR | i don't think anyone is maintaining KDE3 anymore | Dec 29 12:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's the URL for Q4OS's repository? | Dec 29 12:42 |
| XRevan86 | > There is a new Q4OS update, that includes TDE-14.0.1 installation script | Dec 29 12:44 |
| XRevan86 | > 2015-06-23 | Dec 29 12:44 |
| XRevan86 | apparently Q4OS is not into repositories though | Dec 29 12:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 29 12:44 |
| cubexyz | http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/debian wheezy main | Dec 29 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ftp.fau.de | Index of /trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/debian | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| cubexyz | so maybe there's a newer one | Dec 29 12:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's in your sources.list? | Dec 29 12:45 |
| cubexyz | that's listed when I run qrepolist | Dec 29 12:45 |
| msb__ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall | Dec 29 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall ) | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Just replace the URL with the one from Trinity's wiki | Dec 29 12:46 |
| msb__ | That's the latest instructions. | Dec 29 12:46 |
| XRevan86 | s/v3.5.13/r14.0.0/ | Dec 29 12:46 |
| cubexyz | right, that's what I was thinking | Dec 29 12:46 |
| XRevan86 | So I see Q4OS uses official Trinity's repo so there won't be any problems. | Dec 29 12:46 |
| msb__ | 14.0.2 is the latest TDE | Dec 29 12:47 |
| *XRevan86 started downloading Q4OS: I want to look how they did their Windows'y stuff. | Dec 29 12:48 | |
| msb__ | So maybe those instructions need updating. | Dec 29 12:48 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: No, r14.0.0 is a branch name. | Dec 29 12:48 |
| XRevan86 | repository contains latest updates obviously | Dec 29 12:48 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, ok just edit /etc/apt/sources.list then? | Dec 29 12:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yep | Dec 29 12:49 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder how hard can it be to update Q4OS to Debian/Devuan Jessie… | Dec 29 12:49 |
| cubexyz | ok, I guess it actually does work | Dec 29 12:55 |
| cubexyz | just tried it again | Dec 29 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ksysguard? | Dec 29 12:56 |
| cubexyz | yes | Dec 29 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Updated? | Dec 29 12:56 |
| cubexyz | nope | Dec 29 12:57 |
| cubexyz | the original error was: "Connection to localhost has been lost" | Dec 29 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | > Unpacking systemd… | Dec 29 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | I see what you did there | Dec 29 13:01 |
| cubexyz | then ksysguard freaks out and fills the panel with icons | Dec 29 13:01 |
| cubexyz | it's a very old problem... I see folks with redhat 8 had the exact same issue | Dec 29 13:05 |
| cubexyz | maybe have something to do with lm_sensors | Dec 29 13:05 |
| cubexyz | ok, I know why | Dec 29 13:38 |
| cubexyz | ksysguardd is broken on this system | Dec 29 13:38 |
| cubexyz | still ksysguard has should just exit, not restart a million times | Dec 29 13:39 |
| cubexyz | fixed :) | Dec 29 13:45 |
| cubexyz | 7 years later but fixed | Dec 29 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > Been checking up on linux-news at tuxmachines over 2015 and just wanted | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > to let you know your and Rianne's effort in keeping your readers up to | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > date with linux news are much appreciated. | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > So: Thanks for your wonderful linux news selections at tuxmachines! Very | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > educational and am looking forward to more in 2016. | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > Warm regards and best wishes, | Dec 29 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Sir, we work hard for it, 24/7. I'm CCing Rianne as she'll be motivated by your message :-) | Dec 29 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> "you can imagine the long odds faced by the typical victim of a botched | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> raid." | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/28/federal-judge-drinking-tea-shopping-at-a-gardening-store-is-probable-cause-for-a-swat-raid-on-your-home/ | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Federal judge: Drinking tea, shopping at a gardening store is probable cause for a SWAT raid on your home - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/od3ur ] | Dec 29 14:11 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> the courts themselves drag the case out more | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > See | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ | Dec 29 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'www.reddit.com' ( status 0 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ ) | Dec 29 14:11 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> I only look at reddit once or twice a year, it is 'teh ghey'. In this | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> case, there is no actual information there on reddit or any visible | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> links either. On a reliability scale of 0 to 5, reddit rumors are | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> usually 0. | Dec 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Looking at his home page, there is no info (yet) | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://ianmurdock.com/blog/ | Dec 29 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | Blog | Ian Murdock | Linux old timer. Debian founder. Sun alum. Salesforce ExactTarget exec. | Dec 29 14:12 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> I hope that nothing has happened to him from the police. If something | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> did, then I do hope he does not let them slide. | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | >> > Softpedia has just published an article about it | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.softpedia.com/news/founder-of-debian-threatens-suicide-on-twitter-and-police-abuse-allegedly-498205.shtml | Dec 29 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian Founder Threatens with Suicide on Twitter, Reports Police Abuse, Allegedly [ http://ur1.ca/od4ib ] | Dec 29 14:12 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | > That cites what might be a twitter hoax. While twitter can be better | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | > than reddit (text) and 4chan (graphics), it's possible that his account | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | > got cracked while he is away for Christmas and New Year. Unfortunately | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | > hoax or not it's now news. | Dec 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | My instinct is that it's not a hoax. | Dec 29 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681919152530026496 | Dec 29 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: quite right, too... https://t.co/84UMdBds8r | Dec 29 14:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Got some heart-warming messages ahead of year's end, thanking myself and my wife for #tuxmachines (gratis) and #techrights (pro-libre). | Dec 29 14:27 | |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Are you intentionally using Wheezy-based Q4OS? | Dec 29 14:46 |
| cubexyz | sure | Dec 29 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: huh | Dec 29 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why? | Dec 29 14:47 |
| cubexyz | why not? It's got trinity built in | Dec 29 14:47 |
| cubexyz | figured I try it out | Dec 29 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS 1.4.4 is based on Debian 8 | Dec 29 14:49 |
| cubexyz | but that's with systemd is it not? | Dec 29 14:49 |
| cubexyz | don't want systemd | Dec 29 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't know yet, installing it. | Dec 29 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | probably will be easy to Devuan it | Dec 29 14:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681923237794676736 | Dec 29 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: excellent: #freesw has won, essentially - the big battles are now around surveillance, censorship, trade deals, etc. https://t.co/pnkzmiGep8 | Dec 29 14:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Following example of people like @glynmoody (somewhat of a role model) I intend to diverge further away from #freesw to cover other topics | Dec 29 14:52 | |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, kooka got orphaned years ago | Dec 29 14:54 |
| cubexyz | one of the main reasons why I wanted a trinity distro | Dec 29 14:54 |
| cubexyz | using q4os seemed the easiest way | Dec 29 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What a strange reason. | Dec 29 14:54 |
| cubexyz | not that strange :) | Dec 29 14:55 |
| cubexyz | I do a lot of scanning and liked kooka | Dec 29 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: First of all, you could just install trinity-kooka without complete Trinity. | Dec 29 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | Secondly, there's simple-scan | Dec 29 14:56 |
| cubexyz | what about all the libraries that trinity-kooka would need? | Dec 29 14:56 |
| cubexyz | doesn't seem that straight-forward | Dec 29 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Will be installed as well, no? | Dec 29 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS is not as much a Trinity distro but a Windows XP imitation. | Dec 29 14:56 |
| cubexyz | well nothing is perfect | Dec 29 14:57 |
| cubexyz | I didn't try it because it looked like XP :) | Dec 29 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Plain Debian/Devuan + Trinity == PROFIT | Dec 29 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | Plan Debian/Devuan + MATE + kooka from Trinity repos == PROFIT | Dec 29 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | oh gosh, Q4OS is ugly | Dec 29 14:58 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, you have given me an idea though | Dec 29 14:58 |
| cubexyz | assuming it _is_ easy to install just trinity-kooka | Dec 29 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you don't mind Qt3 non-integration anywhere. | Dec 29 14:59 |
| cubexyz | on one machine I have to use xscanimage which is OK but not great | Dec 29 14:59 |
| cubexyz | no, that's fine because I usually only use part of TDE/KDE | Dec 29 15:00 |
| *XRevan86 is hating what he sees. | Dec 29 15:00 | |
| XRevan86 | freaking pseudo-installers, badly transparent panel… | Dec 29 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | horrible fonts | Dec 29 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | that's a terrible default | Dec 29 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | analog clock on a panel | Dec 29 15:02 |
| cubexyz | right, I didn't like that either | Dec 29 15:04 |
| cubexyz | I switched to icewm + TDE bits | Dec 29 15:04 |
| cubexyz | I only run it on one machine | Dec 29 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I think Q4OS stuff just get in the way on your machine. | Dec 29 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | gets* | Dec 29 15:05 |
| cubexyz | adding icewm is easier enough | Dec 29 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, let's see… systemd-sysv | Dec 29 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | yep, systemd | Dec 29 15:05 |
| *XRevan86 enters packages.devuan.org | Dec 29 15:06 | |
| cubexyz | I like parts of KDE like kolourpaint, kalgebra, kalzium, kooka... | Dec 29 15:06 |
| cubexyz | as you say, I could probably have just used the parts I liked | Dec 29 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yeah | Dec 29 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I recommend you to install Debian from scratch. | Dec 29 15:07 |
| cubexyz | I think I did try to compile trinity-kooka on vector, but it was a disaster | Dec 29 15:07 |
| cubexyz | hence q4os... | Dec 29 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | and then devuan-baseconf if systemd is a problem | Dec 29 15:08 |
| cubexyz | libkscan and a bunch of other libraries are needed | Dec 29 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Which are all available in Trinity repo, yeah. | Dec 29 15:08 |
| cubexyz | in the old days I was quite able to hack up my own little scanner program | Dec 29 15:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/scantest3.c | Dec 29 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And in new days? | Dec 29 15:11 |
| cubexyz | but that doesn't work now :-/ | Dec 29 15:11 |
| cubexyz | well I guess I have to learn a bunch of new stuff | Dec 29 15:11 |
| cubexyz | I think HP stopped using SCL | Dec 29 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Like SANE? | Dec 29 15:12 |
| cubexyz | HP changed the protocol, I would have to learn rts8891 | Dec 29 15:13 |
| cubexyz | which isn't documented... probably the SANE people tried to reverse engineer it | Dec 29 15:13 |
| cubexyz | hardly an improvement | Dec 29 15:14 |
| cubexyz | around 2001 or so everything seemed to change | Dec 29 15:15 |
| cubexyz | in the old firmware I could specify any resolution | Dec 29 15:17 |
| cubexyz | now I'm limited to 75, 150, 300, 600, etc | Dec 29 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | Interesting, even with Devuan repo I can't remove systemd-shim | Dec 29 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | network-manager requires libpam-systemd | Dec 29 15:42 |
| MinceR | get rid of network-manager, it's crap | Dec 29 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's the most functional networking GUI there is. | Dec 29 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | okay, that was technically incorrect | Dec 29 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | NM provides the most functional networking GUI there is. | Dec 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call it "functional" | Dec 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | it looks pretty, but it's fucked up | Dec 29 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 802.11, ethernet, usb modems, VPN… | Dec 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | i think it was NM on my server that decided it's sufficient to ask for a DHCP lease on boot, set the address and forget about DHCP from then on | Dec 29 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | > NM on my server | Dec 29 15:46 |
| MinceR | even if the cable was unplugged and replugged, even if the DHCP server was replaced with one that used a different address range | Dec 29 15:46 |
| MinceR | well yeah, debian | Dec 29 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've never seen any bugs of such. | Dec 29 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: NM is an overkill on servers. | Dec 29 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | Just use networkd^W dhcpcd | Dec 29 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | At least it wasn't hard to set Devuan stuff up on Q4OS, even though I had to keep the shim. | Dec 29 15:49 |
| MinceR | tell debian that, i'm sure they listen to people other than redhat people | Dec 29 15:49 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Dec 29 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I honestly have no idea what's in Debian by default. | Dec 29 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | except for Debian's ifconfig, of course | Dec 29 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | (net-tools) | Dec 29 15:51 |
| MinceR | also, NM always offered to set up VPN connections and always failed at it | Dec 29 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: VPN connections work for me. | Dec 29 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | I press the button in nm-applet, and viola, VPN connect established. | Dec 29 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | They have Nautilus installed by default in Q4OS o_0. | Dec 29 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | why on Earth… | Dec 29 15:52 |
| cubexyz | your q4os must be different from mine | Dec 29 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe it's a fresh decision. | Dec 29 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | "hey, let's offer users Nautilus" | Dec 29 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Dec 29 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | gnome-packagekit wants gnome-settings-daemon, which wants nautilus-data which recommends nautilus | Dec 29 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | I've seen an update notifier in tray, apparently it opens gnome-packagekit if one presses it. | Dec 29 15:57 |
| cubexyz | I never got network sharing of scanners working | Dec 29 15:57 |
| cubexyz | kind of a dumb idea anyway | Dec 29 15:59 |
| cubexyz | I want the scanner to be within arm's reach :) | Dec 29 15:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yeah, scanner being reachable makes sense :D | Dec 29 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/brianfagioli/status/681961481404084225 | Dec 29 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brianfagioli: @schestowitz @BetaNews thanks for sharing, Dr. Roy! ☺️ | Dec 29 17:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6934915 | Dec 29 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2016 will definitely be more productive than this year because we travelled a lot after we had moved houses and had severe issues with #bt | Dec 29 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Ah…" | Dec 29 17:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6934931 | Dec 29 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "Lumps are not good. Hope those turn out to not be malignant." | Dec 29 17:44 |
| schestowitz | My grandpa's was. He died a year ago. | Dec 29 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Dec 29 17:44 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I remembered something one of my systems started stalling after a kernel update due to the ondemard governor option being overly savage. Set cpu to Conservative by problem. | Dec 29 17:50 |
| scientes | is there any good place to find astronomy math? | Dec 29 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blankebelg/status/681971873966637057 | Dec 29 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blankebelg: Law states they have rights...typical politic treatment. ..world wide. Sad https://t.co/YNTXxiPlse | Dec 29 18:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hospital Refuses Pregnancy-Related Care Again Because of Religious Directives https://t.co/bytrSb6JNs #aclu #us | Dec 29 18:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OneTimePad7/status/681983773257367553 | Dec 29 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OneTimePad7: @schestowitz patents make me facepalm myself almost every time when I read about one... X-o | Dec 29 18:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681983860104630273 | Dec 29 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: & nothing more heard since.. https://t.co/phCbWVc1w7 | Dec 29 18:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Debian Founder Ian Murdock’s Tweets Are Raising Eyebrows https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA #debian | Dec 29 18:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blankebelg/status/681984188023713792 | Dec 29 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blankebelg: Great :( thnx for info ...readed it yesterday in software info but now its 4 real sadly :'( ty 2 share ur bisdom :) https://t.co/ydVToLew7V | Dec 29 18:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Frozen Android Phones Give Up All Your Data Secrets https://t.co/CTvr98TW0J #android #linux #security | Dec 29 18:45 | |
| cubexyz | the ian murdock twitter account seems to have vanished | Dec 29 18:52 |
| MinceR | good thing i saved the page then | Dec 29 18:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to remember what ksysv was part of | Dec 29 19:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you don't mean KDE SysV-Init Editor, | Dec 29 19:05 |
| cubexyz | I think I do actually | Dec 29 19:05 |
| cubexyz | ksysv-trinity | Dec 29 19:08 |
| cubexyz | it's got a new configuration wizard | Dec 29 19:09 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ksysv-trinity-2015.png | Dec 29 19:13 |
| cubexyz | pretty much the same as the old ksysv | Dec 29 19:13 |
| cubexyz | at least we have a good successor to KDE 3.5.10 | Dec 29 19:14 |
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| msb__ | Wow, what a weird program. I have that in kde3.5.10 | Dec 29 20:01 |
| msb__ | Wouldn't dare use it though! | Dec 29 20:01 |
| msb__ | I hope just configuring it didn't do anything. I wasn't root, so I guess not. | Dec 29 20:03 |
| msb__ | Did you ever get a ksysguard working? | Dec 29 20:03 |
| cubexyz | I did | Dec 29 20:03 |
| msb__ | which one? | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | all of them, or at least all of the ones I have | Dec 29 20:04 |
| msb__ | What fixed it? | Dec 29 20:04 |
| msb__ | them | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard needs ksysguardd to load to work | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | vector linux had a problem with ksysguard... a library was missing | Dec 29 20:05 |
| cubexyz | sorry, ksysguardd | Dec 29 20:05 |
| cubexyz | libsensors.so.3 was missing | Dec 29 20:06 |
| msb__ | must be for the temperature sensors | Dec 29 20:07 |
| cubexyz | yes, but ksysguard shouldn't have borked up like that | Dec 29 20:07 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't even use the sensor utility by default | Dec 29 20:10 |
| cubexyz | I'll have to dig into the source sometime and see what they did | Dec 29 20:14 |
| msb__ | ksysguardd is in etc/init.d, but it doesn't seem to be started by any level | Dec 29 20:15 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard will try to load ksysguardd | Dec 29 20:15 |
| cubexyz | so if ksysguard is running properly, ksysguardd should also be running | Dec 29 20:16 |
| msb__ | it is | Dec 29 20:16 |
| msb__ | Isn't it normal for a program to refuse to run if it doesn't have one of its libs? | Dec 29 20:17 |
| cubexyz | now if you do a ldd /usr/bin/ksysguardd (depending on where your distro keeps ksysguardd) you'll see the libraries it needs | Dec 29 20:17 |
| cubexyz | usually yes | Dec 29 20:18 |
| cubexyz | in my case ksysguard ran without ksysguardd and messed up in a big way | Dec 29 20:18 |
| msb__ | ldd says "not a dynamic executable" | Dec 29 20:19 |
| cubexyz | huh | Dec 29 20:19 |
| msb__ | did you try it? | Dec 29 20:19 |
| cubexyz | ok, yours is static | Dec 29 20:20 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ldd-ksysguardd.txt | Dec 29 20:21 |
| msb__ | Actually mine is a sh script! | Dec 29 20:21 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Dec 29 20:21 |
| msb__ | at least the one in /etc/init.d | Dec 29 20:21 |
| msb__ | ok the real one is in /usr/bin/ksysguardd | Dec 29 20:23 |
| msb__ | and it does need libsensors | Dec 29 20:23 |
| cubexyz | in older KDE 3.4.2 it doesn't use libsensors.so | Dec 29 20:24 |
| msb__ | those sensors can save your CPU! | Dec 29 20:24 |
| msb__ | especially in the summertime | Dec 29 20:25 |
| cubexyz | it just doesn't get very hot in my case(s) | Dec 29 20:25 |
| cubexyz | it's been running for 17 years in one case :) | Dec 29 20:25 |
| cubexyz | but I check it now and then | Dec 29 20:26 |
| msb__ | I have 4 sensor tracks running. They really get too high when I run handbrake. | Dec 29 20:27 |
| cubexyz | the Dell one is 2001 and the QDI one is also 2001 | Dec 29 20:27 |
| cubexyz | ah, I think I know what that is | Dec 29 20:28 |
| msb__ | what? | Dec 29 20:29 |
| cubexyz | video transcoder | Dec 29 20:29 |
| msb__ | right | Dec 29 20:29 |
| msb__ | the name makes no sense | Dec 29 20:29 |
| cubexyz | yes if I say the names of some linux programs to a windows user I just get blank stares | Dec 29 20:30 |
| MinceR | blank stares are to be expected of a windows user | Dec 29 20:30 |
| msb__ | I wanted some tv episodes, but they were 1GB and much higher resolution than I needed | Dec 29 20:30 |
| msb__ | took about 30 minutes to recode | Dec 29 20:31 |
| msb__ | as x264, IIRC | Dec 29 20:31 |
| cubexyz | I've been running KDE stuff a long time, there's still a lot to learn | Dec 29 20:31 |
| cubexyz | even when I stick with KDE 3.5 stuff | Dec 29 20:31 |
| msb__ | I tried x265 and it was going to take 20 hours or so | Dec 29 20:31 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, the windows 10 folks are asking me about alternatives | Dec 29 20:32 |
| cubexyz | it's getting serious | Dec 29 20:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 29 20:33 |
| cubexyz | up until windows 8 they seemed to just tolerate microsoft but it's changing | Dec 29 20:33 |
| msb__ | did you succeed in updating the TDE in Q4OS? | Dec 29 20:34 |
| cubexyz | msb__, no I haven't tried it yet | Dec 29 20:34 |
| cubexyz | got to do other boring work first | Dec 29 20:34 |
| cubexyz | but I'll give it a go later tonight | Dec 29 20:35 |
| msb__ | does q4os have repos or does it just use wheezy's? | Dec 29 20:37 |
| MinceR | we'll see | Dec 29 20:38 |
| MinceR | they also tolerate hypeOS | Dec 29 20:38 |
| cubexyz | currently it is set up to use: http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13 | Dec 29 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tde-mirror.yosemite.net | Index of /trinity/trinity-v3.5.13 | Dec 29 20:39 | |
| msb__ | I meant for stuff other than TDE | Dec 29 20:39 |
| msb__ | someone was nice enough to put the current version of handbrake into the suse 11.4 repo! (what remains of it) | Dec 29 20:41 |
| msb__ | I wasn't looking forward to trying to build it. | Dec 29 20:42 |
| msb__ | Murdock's twitter account is indeed gone. Someone in one of the channels gave me what they said was his e-mail address and I sent him a nice one, but haven't heard back. | Dec 29 20:44 |
| msb__ | suggested he contact the National Lawyers Guild | Dec 29 20:45 |
| cubexyz | ok the main repo appears to be: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free | Dec 29 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ftp.debian.org | Index of /debian | Dec 29 20:53 | |
| cubexyz | you could probably add trinity to debian wheezy easily enough | Dec 29 20:54 |
| msb__ | I'm interested in whether it has up-to-date apps. Does it have handbrake? Current is 0.10.2 | Dec 29 20:57 |
| cubexyz | probably not | Dec 29 21:03 |
| msb__ | I wish there were an up to date distro I could recommend to people. For years I told them Suse. Now I don't know what to say. What do you tell windows victims? | Dec 29 21:14 |
| MinceR | afaik slackware is still actively maintained | Dec 29 21:14 |
| cubexyz | I just point out the alternatives: chromebook/box, mac os x, linux/bsd | Dec 29 21:14 |
| MinceR | (also, 14.1 was released after debian 7) | Dec 29 21:15 |
| cubexyz | a lot of people are still on XP | Dec 29 21:16 |
| msb__ | but it's two years old | Dec 29 21:16 |
| MinceR | xp is still better than any later winblows version | Dec 29 21:17 |
| cubexyz | it's still not very good though :) | Dec 29 21:18 |
| cubexyz | old XP installs seem to hit the hard drive a lot | Dec 29 21:21 |
| MinceR | well yeah, winblows gobbles memory and then hits swap | Dec 29 21:21 |
| MinceR | and just randomly grinds the disk too | Dec 29 21:21 |
| cubexyz | well I told one guy if he really had to run windows 10 to run it in a VM | Dec 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | hopefully without network access | Dec 29 21:25 |
| cubexyz | some windows 10 updates destroyed the OS | Dec 29 21:25 |
| cubexyz | actually made it stop booting even | Dec 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | and in general, it's not a good idea to run malware with network access | Dec 29 21:26 |
| cubexyz | I think VMware Premium can lock out the hosted OS | Dec 29 21:27 |
| cubexyz | from network | Dec 29 21:27 |
| MinceR | most virtualizers can | Dec 29 21:27 |
| MinceR | simply by not having any virtual NICs in the VM | Dec 29 21:27 |
| cubexyz | and even if the hosted OS borked itself you would still have the host OS to fall back on | Dec 29 21:28 |
| cubexyz | it is really a mess | Dec 29 21:29 |
| cubexyz | I've been doing windows re-loads for a long time for customers | Dec 29 21:32 |
| cubexyz | I've never had to do a linux reload | Dec 29 21:33 |
| cubexyz | just stuff like: "it's too old I want something newer" | Dec 29 21:33 |
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| msb__ | Wow, I just dreamed that I was Jack Kane, the immortal biblical vampire from _He Never Died_, but I was coming in from the Rim on an ancient Martian wood and iron starship to attack the inner Solar System like in _Expanse_. Woo, that's Evil! | Dec 30 03:19 |
| msb__ | I can't wait for s01e05 of | Dec 30 03:21 |
| msb__ | Expanse to come out in a week. E04 was super! | Dec 30 03:21 |
| msb__ | Someone I recommended _He Never Died_ didn | Dec 30 03:24 |
| msb__ | did | Dec 30 03:25 |
| msb__ | didn't like it, said they should have taken a rocket launcher to him, but he's actually a good guy, or at least evolving that way. It's hard when you're cursed by God. | Dec 30 03:26 |
| msb__ | I'm not really evil, that was just my right-brain combining two movies I've seen. I would never dream I was Bill Gates, the Bent Eldil of this planet. | Dec 30 03:36 |
| oiaohm | http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/12/18/trying-to-prevent-browser-fingerprinting-the-odds-are-against-you/ so true | Dec 30 03:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Trying to prevent browser fingerprinting? The odds are against you | LinuxBSDos.com | Dec 30 03:37 | |
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| oiaohm | found a motherboard chipset what the recently. No floppy or floppy pluged in correct onboard ethernet port works. Floppy pluged in incorrectly( you know the one led light stuck on ) onboard ethernet port dead as door nail. | Dec 30 03:47 |
| msb__ | Every night when I clean the horrible fluoride residue out of my distiller with a paper towel, I think of the last scene in _Time Bandits_, where the kid's idiot parents are reaching for the smoking black rock in their microwave, and he shouts to them, "Don't touch it! It's pure Evil!" So both of them reach for it. I get a little fluoride on my fingers, but I wash it right off. | Dec 30 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors | Dec 30 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Arrive in a Few Days https://t.co/S1nzXC2gnd | Dec 30 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Dec 30 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5m7 | Dec 30 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to Arrive in a Few Days | Dec 30 04:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting Started With the Raspberry Pi | Dec 30 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6kiooPTShW (fossforce.com) | Dec 30 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5m8 | Dec 30 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Getting Started With the Raspberry Pi | FOSS Force | Dec 30 04:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf/status/682138400510455809 | Dec 30 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Asher_Wolf: @octal https://t.co/oWSUrUh0ZB | Dec 30 04:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Update: "Ian Murdock’s Twitter account has been taken down. There has also been no update on his blog." https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA | Dec 30 04:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikisteff/status/682141256567406592 | Dec 30 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikisteff: @glynmoody @schestowitz Keep us in the loop if there is any more news, Glyn. #manythanks | Dec 30 05:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141644653752320 | Dec 30 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Wikisteff @schestowitz will do... | Dec 30 05:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | My instinct (have followed this closely since 1 hour after the threat): lawyers advised to remove the accusations in bulk | Dec 30 05:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682136919564763136 | Dec 30 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: weird stuff going on here... https://t.co/Cp1YarN2PQ | Dec 30 05:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nicferrier/status/682141781560012800 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141895754170368 | Dec 30 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nicferrier: @schestowitz @glynmoody @docker thank goodness. It sounds awful. | Dec 30 05:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: any news on what's happening with Ian Murdoch, @docker? /@nicferrier @schestowitz | Dec 30 05:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://theintercept.com/2015/12/28/recently-bought-a-windows-computer-microsoft-probably-has-your-encryption-key/ | Dec 30 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | Recently Bought a Windows Computer? Microsoft Probably Has Your Encryption Key [ http://ur1.ca/od2bh ] | Dec 30 05:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > - | Dec 30 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ | Dec 30 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft may have your encryption key; here’s how to take it back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/od5sl ] | Dec 30 05:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > Wrong way, Peter. The right way is to install GNU/Linux or one of the BSDs. | Dec 30 05:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/682142759600439296 | Dec 30 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: Concerning! https://t.co/AP1f2WWWy0 | Dec 30 05:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laserfox/status/682143097099304960 | Dec 30 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laserfox: @glynmoody @docker @nicferrier @schestowitz hope he is OK.. | Dec 30 05:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Stratoscale favourited 'Linux Containers – Benefits and Market Trends https://t.co/BhlwOnAIZz' | Dec 30 05:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stratoscale.com | NO TITLE | Dec 30 05:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Largest Computer Makers when Smartphones and | Dec 30 05:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tablets are Included https://t.co/AXwSvnJWzZ | Dec 30 05:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communities-dominate.blogs.com) | Dec 30 05:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5t2 | Dec 30 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Largest Computer Makers when Smartphones and Tablets are Included | Dec 30 05:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/682147759059763200 | Dec 30 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz China could help its transition to a tech economy by offering Internet Army censorship as a service | Dec 30 05:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141895754170368 | Dec 30 05:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines APT 1.1.8 to 1.1.10 – going “faster” | Dec 30 05:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n9BEampfyV (juliank.wordpress.com) | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5uo | Dec 30 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-juliank.wordpress.com | APT 1.1.8 to 1.1.10 – going “faster” | Blog of Julian Andres Klode | Dec 30 05:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bluboo Xfire 2, World’s First Triple-SIM | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Smartphone Priced At $69 And Bluboo | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | XWatch To Release Early 2016 | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3InE7uSWmQ (www.ibtimes.com) | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5uq | Dec 30 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Bluboo Xfire 2, World’s First Triple-SIM Android Smartphone Priced At $69 And Bluboo XWatch To Release Early 2016 | Dec 30 05:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "it is with pleasure that I see that Mageia is | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | increasingly used." https://t.co/58semwtoKo | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr) | Dec 30 05:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5ur | Dec 30 05:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr | Come help mageia with us | from a kde POV | Dec 30 05:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/scruffy_crunch/status/682152725509836801 | Dec 30 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@scruffy_crunch: @schestowitz @All4Privacy I think he does, but he nor his handlers care. #surveillanceplanet | Dec 30 05:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682152812319518720 | Dec 30 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Facebook #MustDie And #Tor if it will continue to be hiddenly #facebook's partner too. https://t.co/40IkH6lCzj | Dec 30 05:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Drop #facebook to save the #internet https://t.co/Q8FPqqAPzI | Dec 30 05:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682153749645639680 | Dec 30 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: For a #Debian founder…probably buying an 'iPhone 6'(~Sept.24, 2015) was sign of losing it—either sanity or #security https://t.co/e7DA5rYEIK | Dec 30 06:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Update: "Ian Murdock’s Twitter account has been taken down. There has also been no update on his blog." https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA | Dec 30 06:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think it's the right time to bash him over choice of phone | Dec 30 06:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 10 Games Released on Linux in 2015 | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DW3XlTZw9i (boilingsteam.com) | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60m | Dec 30 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Top 10 Games Released on Linux in 2015 – Boiling Steam | Dec 30 07:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "RISC-V processors can currently be used to run | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and NetBSD." | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RISC-V processors can currently be used to run | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and NetBSD. | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60n | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mSjLTFOXpX (uberstudent.com) | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60o | Dec 30 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uberstudent.com | UberStudent Forums • View topic - UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 07:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Arrive in a Few Days https://t.co/THkQIthfCE | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 07:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60p | Dec 30 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to Arrive in a Few Days | Tux Machines | Dec 30 07:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Founder in Trouble, Ubuntu's Wrong Turn | Dec 30 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OFxW9tDla8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60q | Dec 30 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Founder in Trouble, Ubuntu's Wrong Turn | Tux Machines | Dec 30 07:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/nde6C9JdQq | Dec 30 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 07:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60r | Dec 30 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Dec 30 07:33 | |
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| oiaohm | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-At-200M really number of installs does not answer the questions we need. Like how many were upgrades of existing and how many in fact got tricked. | Dec 30 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phoronix.com | Windows 10 Reportedly On 200+ Million Devices - Phoronix | Dec 30 08:18 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ I just noticed this. The instructions are bogus once something is uploaded to a cloud you are no longer in control if it gets deleted or not. | Dec 30 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft may have your encryption key; here’s how to take it back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/od5sl ] | Dec 30 08:32 | |
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| MinceR | http://hackaday.com/2015/12/29/32c3-a-free-and-open-source-verilog-to-bitstream-flow-for-ice40-fpgas/ | Dec 30 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackaday.com | 32C3: A Free and Open Source Verilog-to-Bitstream Flow for iCE40 FPGAs | Hackaday [ http://ur1.ca/od6bz ] | Dec 30 09:44 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/682159428670455808 | Dec 30 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz no, I do not think so, b/c certificates are valid for 90 days max. This will make many refrain from using LE. | Dec 30 12:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682193444840800256 | Dec 30 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: "The [tory] government did not believe in this climate-change stuff and was fully on the industry’s side." https://t.co/IejJEYNtft | Dec 30 12:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk #Floods , #climate , and neglect: a reflection https://t.co/7de6F4DcWg too busy screwing up countries overseas | Dec 30 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/nysqJYheZT | Dec 30 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od6si | Dec 30 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/c0a0S0cPQL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od6sm | Dec 30 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to...' | Dec 30 13:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | [13:32] <oiaohm> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ I just noticed this. The instructions are bogus once something is uploaded to a cloud you are no longer in control if it gets deleted or not. | Dec 30 13:26 |
| r_schestowitz | mentioned this earlier | Dec 30 13:26 |
| r_schestowitz | BS from MS Peter | Dec 30 13:26 |
| r_schestowitz | reponse to micah Lee/EFF | Dec 30 13:26 |
| r_schestowitz | [13:18] <oiaohm> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-At-200M really number of installs does not answer the questions we need. Like how many were upgrades of existing and how many in fact got tricked. | Dec 30 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Phoronix citing WinBeta | Dec 30 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | new low... | Dec 30 13:27 |
| MinceR | moronix | Dec 30 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | sometimes | Dec 30 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | see another thing he posted today | Dec 30 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | about some russian linux bashing page | Dec 30 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | not even new | Dec 30 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | 7 years old | Dec 30 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I think larabel is just low on material | Dec 30 13:28 |
| cubexyz | ha, gkrellm... now I understand the name | Dec 30 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | > russian linux bashing page | Dec 30 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | What does "bashing" mean in this context? | Dec 30 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | ah, I see | Dec 30 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | stoplinux.org.ru then | Dec 30 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz_log: Right? | Dec 30 13:35 |
| cubexyz | stop linux and use what instead? | Dec 30 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Good and noble Microsoft Windows of course. | Dec 30 13:36 |
| cubexyz | is this anti-linux guy a BSD person or...? | Dec 30 13:36 |
| cubexyz | bah | Dec 30 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No. | Dec 30 13:36 |
| cubexyz | use an operating system were you have no control and no source code, got it | Dec 30 13:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the idea. | Dec 30 13:37 |
| XRevan86 | This resource is much less interesting now, though. | Dec 30 13:38 |
| XRevan86 | don't know what they're doing now | Dec 30 13:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "I'm thinking a patch this size wouldn't | Dec 30 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | qualify for copyright even if an Oracle Lawyer | Dec 30 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | claimed it." https://t.co/Lk9NsDhBb4 | Dec 30 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Dec 30 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od754 | Dec 30 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix noisy sparse warning in LIBCFS_ALLOC_PRE() | Dec 30 13:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft | Dec 30 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows 10 https://t.co/tkdZiPoB4e | Dec 30 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) | Dec 30 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od755 | Dec 30 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft Windows 10 | Dec 30 13:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Dec 30 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Fu0tEebjVs (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od756 | Dec 30 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 13:45 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It wasn't commercial or anything. Just one dumb guy. | Dec 30 13:45 |
| cubexyz | I figured | Dec 30 13:46 |
| r_schestowitz | XRevan86: no, different site | Dec 30 13:48 |
| r_schestowitz | see latest stories in phoronix | Dec 30 13:48 |
| r_schestowitz | linux "sucks" thing | Dec 30 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | Phoronix has a new design, hmm | Dec 30 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: Can't that the story but I think I know what site you're talking about. | Dec 30 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | * Can't find that story | Dec 30 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | my mind what in other place | Dec 30 13:52 |
| cubexyz | it's fine to criticize linux _distros_ | Dec 30 13:52 |
| cubexyz | but the kernel itself is pretty good | Dec 30 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | I think the nick is birdie | Dec 30 13:53 |
| cubexyz | or whatever, use some other FOSS operating system | Dec 30 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | I was chatting with him some time ago. | Dec 30 13:53 |
| cubexyz | but advocating windows is just stupid | Dec 30 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html nailed it | Dec 30 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfonts.narod.ru | Main Linux problems on the desktop, 2016 edition [ http://ur1.ca/od769 ] | Dec 30 13:53 | |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: that? | Dec 30 13:53 |
| cubexyz | except the linux desktop has been decent since around 1998 | Dec 30 13:55 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Redhat 5.2 and after | Dec 30 13:56 |
| cubexyz | really the basic stuff was sorted out by 1994 | Dec 30 13:57 |
| cubexyz | Ryerson in Canada was using Darkstar Linux 0.99.14 back in 1994 | Dec 30 13:58 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.png | Dec 30 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | Something old and more positive: http://blackcatlinux.narod.ru/myths/index.html | Dec 30 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blackcatlinux.narod.ru | 10 Мифов о Linux [ http://ur1.ca/od76w ] | Dec 30 13:59 | |
| cubexyz | ok, it wasn't perfect but it was better than windows 3.1 I'd say | Dec 30 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Dec 30 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | "10 myths about Linux" in Russian | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JcRmDjIe4c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od76y | Dec 30 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 14:00 | |
| XRevan86 | from 90s | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clementine Review - One of the Best Music | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Players on Linux https://t.co/1rN7LsEOK2 | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od76z | Dec 30 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 30 14:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows 10 https://t.co/bgouQx5Cxc | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od770 | Dec 30 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 14:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-source advocates see big opportunity for | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | federal software acquisition reform in 2016 | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jmFgjl60jb (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od771 | Dec 30 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source advocates see big opportunity for federal software acquisition reform in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 14:00 | |
| XRevan86 | > COREL WordPerfect | Dec 30 14:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Dec 30 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mBWR1XtFUE (www.droid-life.com) | Dec 30 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od77c | Dec 30 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Droid Life | Dec 30 14:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Dec 30 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RLmmPSuSdl (9to5google.com) | Dec 30 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od77f | Dec 30 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | 9to5Google | Dec 30 14:02 | |
| MinceR | http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 30 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog | Dec 30 14:07 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He really did? | Dec 30 14:07 |
| MinceR | apparently | Dec 30 14:07 |
| MinceR | well, at least they don't get to harm him any more | Dec 30 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | O_O | Dec 30 14:08 |
| MinceR | http://techaeris.com/2015/12/28/debian-founder-ian-murdocks-tweets-raising-eyebrows/ | Dec 30 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techaeris.com | [UPDATED] Debian Founder Ian Murdock's Tweets Are Raising Eyebrows - Techaeris | Dec 30 14:08 | |
| XRevan86 | > The rest of my life will be devoted to fighting against police abuse | Dec 30 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | like a day or so? | Dec 30 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Something's not right. | Dec 30 14:09 |
| MinceR | looks like it | Dec 30 14:09 |
| MinceR | many things aren't right | Dec 30 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe Docker was hacked. | Dec 30 14:10 |
| MinceR | i guess we'll find out eventually | Dec 30 14:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah. | Dec 30 14:11 |
| XRevan86 | If this is a joke, it's pretty cruel. | Dec 30 14:14 |
| MinceR | it probably isn't | Dec 30 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why? | Dec 30 14:14 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like something people would joke with | Dec 30 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unless they want attention. | Dec 30 14:16 |
| r_schestowitz | not a joke | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | but maybe someone killed him | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe a neighbour | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | the one he claims to have knocked on the door of | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Wait and see, I guess... | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I totally lost my concentration now | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | worse than the swartz case | Dec 30 14:35 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682283616332808192 | Dec 30 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: Debian founder and Docker employee Ian Murdock has died at 42 https://t.co/Ev6R05Ppqw | Dec 30 14:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody https://t.co/iSyMsSWUK1 https://t.co/vNS7IhpfoM | Dec 30 14:36 | |
| MinceR | http://www.politico.eu/article/poland-crisis-constitution-kaczynski-duda/ | Dec 30 14:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | Poland’s government continues power-grab – POLITICO | Dec 30 14:42 | |
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| cubexyz | where's corel draw for linux eh? | Dec 30 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: CorelDRAW 9 from 2000 | Dec 30 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | > it did not run natively; instead, it used a modified version of Wine to run | Dec 30 14:49 |
| cubexyz | yes I see that on winehq | Dec 30 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why would you want CorelDRAW anyway? | Dec 30 14:50 |
| cubexyz | not for me :) | Dec 30 14:50 |
| cubexyz | for customers | Dec 30 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | Why would anyone want CorelDRAW anyway? | Dec 30 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | Inkscape is such a nice thing. | Dec 30 14:50 |
| cubexyz | there are some diehard coreldraw people out there | Dec 30 14:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682286892008779778 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682287760959533056 | Dec 30 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz the circumstances of his death sound decidedly suspicious | Dec 30 14:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: R.I.P. https://t.co/kzR2sLLv6K | Dec 30 14:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Debian founder Ian #Murdock dead: Tributes pour in from colleagues https://t.co/s28j6OM4UF | Dec 30 14:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682283616332808192 | Dec 30 14:51 |
| cubexyz | older people get used to one way of doing things and it takes a nuclear bomb to get them to try something different | Dec 30 14:51 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Doesn't coreldraw change its interface once in a while? | Dec 30 14:52 |
| cubexyz | it probably does | Dec 30 14:53 |
| cubexyz | so the oldsters stick with Coreldraw 7 :) | Dec 30 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: piratis vulgaris? :) | Dec 30 14:54 |
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| cubexyz | coreldraw 7 on XP, and it's not pirated | Dec 30 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | piratis komplikatis | Dec 30 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not something one can share, that's the complication. | Dec 30 14:57 |
| cubexyz | oh I see | Dec 30 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, share the software. | Dec 30 14:57 |
| cubexyz | I only see very few linux people locally | Dec 30 14:57 |
| cubexyz | some chromebooks, tons of xp, tons of win7 | Dec 30 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | - Hey, how can I open your CDR file? | Dec 30 14:58 |
| cubexyz | some online conversion utility perhaps? | Dec 30 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Inkscape can work on Windows. | Dec 30 14:58 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll mention that | Dec 30 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What if conversion won't be successful? | Dec 30 14:59 |
| cubexyz | there's another problem too... | Dec 30 15:00 |
| cubexyz | what the printer will take | Dec 30 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It doesn't generate PDF? | Dec 30 15:00 |
| cubexyz | whatever the customer takes to the printer has to be in a form the printer can use | Dec 30 15:00 |
| cubexyz | yeah it probably does | Dec 30 15:00 |
| cubexyz | I don't use it myself | Dec 30 15:01 |
| cubexyz | I have problems with some PDF files with security features | Dec 30 15:01 |
| cubexyz | e.g. you get a coupon for a discount, but it doesn't work on linux | Dec 30 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | coupons for a discount in PDF? | Dec 30 15:04 |
| cubexyz | yes | Dec 30 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | Patrick bless Russia. | Dec 30 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I didn't even suspect such a thing exists. | Dec 30 15:05 |
| cubexyz | oh it does for sure | Dec 30 15:05 |
| cubexyz | there's tons of them | Dec 30 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | I start to think that me lacking a credit card is also a miracle :). | Dec 30 15:06 |
| cubexyz | there's google checkout | Dec 30 15:10 |
| cubexyz | paypal, etc | Dec 30 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | that I also don't use | Dec 30 15:11 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, they discontinued google checkout didn't they | Dec 30 15:11 |
| cubexyz | what do you use to buy stuff online? | Dec 30 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, I ask my sister %). | Dec 30 15:12 |
| cubexyz | google checkout became google wallet | Dec 30 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | if by online you mean "from China" | Dec 30 15:12 |
| cubexyz | I buy stuff on ebay sometimes, I try to buy from Canada, then United States | Dec 30 15:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Droid Life | Dec 30 15:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clementine Review - One of the Best Music | Dec 30 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Players on https://t.co/XCG8Ewf8ZC | Dec 30 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.softpedia.com) ... https://t.co/UXapPsH7aX | Dec 30 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (joindiaspora.com) | Dec 30 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7h8 | Dec 30 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linux | Dec 30 15:13 | |
| cubexyz | but I've also bought stuff from China without any problems | Dec 30 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linuxhttp://ww... | Dec 30 15:13 | |
| XRevan86 | sites like aliexpress | Dec 30 15:13 |
| cubexyz | tch, google wallet only works with android and ios | Dec 30 15:14 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Jkt124/status/682295826501230592 | Dec 30 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Jkt124: @schestowitz @Marcin_Kaminski kolejni do wygaszenia :-) | Dec 30 15:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DarthLukan/status/682296201878843397 | Dec 30 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DarthLukan: The world is a lesser and darker place without him. https://t.co/qanbsMhQGl | Dec 30 15:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Debian founder and Docker employee Ian Murdock has died at 42 https://t.co/vNS7IhpfoM fuck. So it was true. #policeBrutality | Dec 30 15:24 | |
| cubexyz | what the heck happened? | Dec 30 15:25 |
| r_schestowitz | scroll up | Dec 30 15:26 |
| cubexyz | no cause of death | Dec 30 15:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682297653040951297 | Dec 30 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Shame @schestowitz I enjoyed talking to him. Used Debian since 1993... | Dec 30 15:32 | |
| cubexyz | threatening suicide and then beaten up? | Dec 30 15:36 |
| cubexyz | monday night | Dec 30 15:41 |
| cubexyz | over a day ago and we still don't know very much | Dec 30 15:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682297653040951297 | Dec 30 16:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BSD Unix-like OS is Resurrected for Embedded | Dec 30 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IoT Market https://t.co/NPDXeEyRbi | Dec 30 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 16:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rk | Dec 30 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BSD Unix-like OS is Resurrected for Embedded IoT Market | Tux Machines | Dec 30 16:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines RIP Ian Murdock https://t.co/LFFwV1AHtS | Dec 30 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rl | Dec 30 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RIP Ian Murdock | Tux Machines | Dec 30 16:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rm | Dec 30 16:36 |
| msb__ | Murdock was beaten by police and then -- somehow as a result -- said he was going to kill himself. Then he said he wasn't. | Dec 30 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Techrights | Dec 30 16:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | but did it anyway | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | IMHO | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | (MY opinion) | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | )opinion | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Some dicks online controbuted to it | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | They mocked him | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | and the media didn't get this coverage | Dec 30 16:48 |
| r_schestowitz | so rather than make a big deal out of it many called him insane | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and other worse things | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | like "his career is over" | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | He must have read some responses like these | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | esp. in reddit afaik | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | Instead they should have offered more real support | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | 2 friends of mine whom I spoke to shortly after his threat was made dismissed him as fake | Dec 30 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I once needed to help a german friend after he wanted to kill himself | Dec 30 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | me and other friend, hans, stayed with him all night | Dec 30 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | to take him through it | Dec 30 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | about his family, with tears and all | Dec 30 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | until he was stable enough to go on | Dec 30 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Murdock was widely ridiculed after these rants online | Dec 30 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | the very opposite of what he needed | Dec 30 16:51 |
| r_schestowitz | and maybe the people whom he asked to contact him didn't | Dec 30 16:51 |
| r_schestowitz | which also is their failure in a way | Dec 30 16:51 |
| r_schestowitz | but we shall be hearing more about it in the coming days/weeks/month | Dec 30 16:51 |
| msb__ | Here's a listing of his tweets that includes more than I saw originally: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM | Dec 30 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | ian murdock - Pastebin.com | Dec 30 16:54 | |
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| cubexyz | who is jackstormwriter? | Dec 30 16:57 |
| cubexyz | seems like a real ass | Dec 30 16:57 |
| msb__ | He said he needed stitches. That would seem to indicate that the police hit him on the head. Psychopaths do that to destroy a person's brain. I wonder if he had a clot or a bleed, and whether he had a scan in the hospital. | Dec 30 16:57 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: not a valid account | Dec 30 16:57 |
| r_schestowitz | i wondered the same the other day | Dec 30 16:57 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe someone who deleted his/her account | Dec 30 16:58 |
| r_schestowitz | we'll find out soon, I guess | Dec 30 16:58 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't know what the hastag in the suicide threat meant | Dec 30 16:58 |
| r_schestowitz | with a number, 67 IIRC, at the end | Dec 30 16:58 |
| cubexyz | more than one beat down is stated too | Dec 30 16:59 |
| cubexyz | "188. Then beat me up some more." | Dec 30 16:59 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: plausible | Dec 30 17:01 |
| r_schestowitz | I didn't even think of that | Dec 30 17:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Dec 30 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ECpu4vjc2S (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7uo | Dec 30 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 17:02 | |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: If so, it could have put him into a very confused state that could account for the somewhat incoherent tweets and the suicide. | Dec 30 17:05 |
| msb__ | I hope there's an autopsy. If his brain was damaged, then the cops are guilty of manslaughter at the very least, maybe worse given multiple beatings. | Dec 30 17:08 |
| msb__ | But a coverup is much more likely. | Dec 30 17:09 |
| r_schestowitz | fair points | Dec 30 17:10 |
| msb__ | Brain bleeds can be progressive, causing worsening of symptoms over periods of hours. | Dec 30 17:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jdub/status/682276977772871680 | Dec 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jdub: Ian left an extraordinarily influential legacy in Debian. https://t.co/iwsBDm9CpA | Dec 30 17:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog | Dec 30 17:14 | |
| MinceR | now redhat is trying every trick they can to wipe out that legacy | Dec 30 17:15 |
| msb__ | It could even have been a hit. Some years ago a 911 investigator made some inquiries to the Israeli consulate. Shortly thereafter he was attacked by cops at his home in a suburb of Chicago, his arm broken, and he eventually had to flee to Europe. | Dec 30 17:15 |
| r_schestowitz | > No details, yet, but he's dead already: | Dec 30 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 30 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > That is really bad news. And on top of that, the police basically | Dec 30 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > killed him. I hope the details get out if they help. | Dec 30 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | Based on one theory, may have been a blood clot after so many blows to the head | Dec 30 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ ) | Dec 30 17:17 | |
| zoobab | I made a backup of the tweets: | Dec 30 17:18 |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/ | Dec 30 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-filez.zoobab.com | Index of /misc/debian-murdock-twitter/ | Dec 30 17:18 | |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/debian-murdock-twitter-last-tweets.txt | Dec 30 17:18 |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/debian-murdock-twitter-last-tweets.pdf | Dec 30 17:18 |
| r_schestowitz | cheers | Dec 30 17:18 |
| r_schestowitz | Other people backed it up too | Dec 30 17:18 |
| r_schestowitz | zoobab: tweeted | Dec 30 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ian was working in Docker, remember? | Dec 30 17:19 |
| MinceR | yes | Dec 30 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | if I understand correctly, Docker initially only supported working with systemd-nspawn | Dec 30 17:20 |
| MinceR | i thought they were competing | Dec 30 17:21 |
| MinceR | i also thought docker predated systemd | Dec 30 17:21 |
| MinceR | in any case, the legacy that was the subject was debian, not docker | Dec 30 17:21 |
| r_schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524 | Dec 30 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/od7xf ] | Dec 30 17:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | In a tweet, he wrote that "@jacksormwriter wants me dead". | Dec 30 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | I wonder who that is... | Dec 30 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Source at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:le7oSCj... | Dec 30 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | cache:le7oSCj - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/od7xg ] | Dec 30 17:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | " If I recall from reading the original, it was just someone who showed up and (I think sincerely helpfully) told him that if he wants retribution against the police, any lawyer would tell him to stop discussing the specifics of the case on social media. " | Dec 30 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "I went back and looked earlier today, and that is what I found, also, except that I didn't find him talking about lawyers and did find him advising Ian to "lay low" (presumably so the police wouldn't seek retribution against Ian.) I didn't find anything from that other guy that was anything other than sincerely trying to be helpful. (Of course, there could have been deleted tweets.)" | Dec 30 17:23 |
| msb__ | Full conspiracy theory: Five attacks on FOSS: UEFI, systemd, KDE4/5/Plasma, SJW vs Linux, murder of Ian Murdock. N.B. _theory_ | Dec 30 17:29 |
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| msb__ | Oops SJW vs Linus | Dec 30 17:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813830 | Dec 30 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | I like this better than the docker post. https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mournin... | Hacker News | Dec 30 17:32 | |
| msb__ | Actually, I don't see how killing Murdock would help the rulers prevent people from using Linux. But maybe it could be a sort of attack on the subconscious. | Dec 30 17:33 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Main notes: | Dec 30 17:33 |
| r_schestowitz | * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this will be easily proven. | Dec 30 17:33 |
| r_schestowitz | * His last tweet is "abcolucity i'll tweet it or twitch it or whenever the rufk can i have 30 minutes toe wtie my suittyes ?" This to me strongly suggests a head injury. | Dec 30 17:34 |
| r_schestowitz | * "The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise." | Dec 30 17:34 |
| r_schestowitz | * "watch my blog later http://ianmurdock.com" "I'm not committing suicide today. I'll write this all up first, so the police brutality ENDEMIC in this so call free country will be known." There are no posts about this on his blog. | Dec 30 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | Ian Murdock | Linux old timer. Debian founder. Sun alum. Salesforce ExactTarget exec. | Dec 30 17:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police. I also believe that the police will rule that it was a suicide; but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie. | Dec 30 17:34 |
| r_schestowitz | (EDIT: At some point in this saga, Ian's Twitter account got hacked. The deleted account, and the strange last tweet, were probably a result of that.) | Dec 30 17:34 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:34 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Dec 30 17:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | ars 1 hour ago | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | "This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in" | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Exactly. And yet you write "He was repeatedly beaten by the police" ... "this will be easily proven". | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Your post is incredibly irresponsible. You know nothing at all of what happened, all you have are the posts of someone having a mental breakdown. | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | And you don't just stop at what he wrote on twitter. No, you continue with literally stuff from your own imagination: | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | "I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police." | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | People's lives have been ruined many many times by other people jumping to conclusions before knowing all the facts. I don't know if jumping to conclusions will hurt anyone here, but you should NOT do it. Ever. | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | PS. This: "but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie" does not in the slightest rule out suicide. People committing suicide almost always have future plans. | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | cjbprime 1 hour ago | Dec 30 17:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > This to me strongly suggests a head injury. | Dec 30 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Or, more likely in my mind, that if his chosen suicide method was overdose, the overdose had already begun at the time of this tweet. | Dec 30 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | (When I say "more likely" I'm not trying to suggest that I actually know what happened; merely that I can find explanations that are at least as convincing as your chosen one, so I don't think anyone should be claiming they have good ideas on what happened from reading the tweets.) | Dec 30 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | reply | Dec 30 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | "Who will investigate Ian's death? Will it be the same police that beat him up? Or their friends?" | Dec 30 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Well, to be fair, he could have been really drunk or high as a cope with his angst... Only the autopsy can reveal head injury/substance presence. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | EDIT: Have you never attempted to type anything on a keyboard/phone when really drunk? Its fucking HARD. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | So to immediately conclude that he suffered from head trauma (as opposed to deep emotional trauma) is short sighted, and like I said can only be revealed (hopefully) in an autopsy. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't now any details of what happened. But, PTSD is a real thing and it can deeply effect people. Being assaulted by police and then having them charge you for the crime of trying to protect yourself is an entirely plausible cause for PTSD. I know several activists who suffer from and have been treated for PTSD based on their past interactions with police, and some have been suicidal and needed immediate hospitalization. And, the | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | suicide statistics of veterans suffering PTSD are horrifying. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | In short: Ian may have been suffering from PTSD. It may have struck very fast and very hard, so much so that his loved ones didn't have time to get him the help he needed to cope with his pain. The idea that it is not comprehensible comes from a place of privilege of never having experienced something so horrible that it caused significant damage to your mind and sense of well-being. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Bullshit. Police beat the shit out of people, unprovoked, every day. They murder 12 year old boys without hesitation (Tamir Rice). They'll kill a woman in her jail cell because she knew her rights and tried to exercise them (Sandra Bland). They'll chase down (stealing a car to make the chase more exciting) and execute an innocent man because he happens to be black and trying to go into the bank where he has an account (Larry Jackson, Jr.). | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I could type all day and not finish the list of unarmed people who did nothing wrong who are dead by the hands of cops. The number who've been beaten by police is astronomically higher. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Ian is a well-known quantity, and what we know is that he was extraordinarily kind and generous. I don't believe for a second that he did anything to deserve to have a police officer beat him up. Not all police are vicious bullies, but I'm more willing to believe Ian had the misfortune to cross paths with a vicious bully than I am to believe he deserved being beaten up. | Dec 30 17:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7uy | Dec 30 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Techrights | Dec 30 17:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682326034474205185 | Dec 30 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: @schestowitz If you didn't already know you can view Ian Murdock's tweets from https://t.co/CiZFGKrDKF | Dec 30 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 30 17:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | there are many copies in lots of places | Dec 30 17:39 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682326411781226496 | Dec 30 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz given that he's no more, barring these few tweets, we won't ever know his side of the whole story. I hope that's not the case. | Dec 30 17:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682330351809630209 | Dec 30 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz sad | Dec 30 17:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @softpedialinux https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 18:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Debian is one of the three most widely used | Dec 30 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux distros" https://t.co/LN5T3xPuV2 | Dec 30 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterknowledge.com | Open Source Pioneer Ian Murdock Dead at 42 | Data Center Knowledge | Dec 30 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “It would also appear the Mr. Murdock’s Twitter | Dec 30 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | account was closed today.” | Dec 30 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ian Murdock, Debian GNU/Linux Founder, Passed Away | Dec 30 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shotwell Review - An Almost Invisible and | Dec 30 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Useful Application https://t.co/87Dea3POvA | Dec 30 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com | Shotwell Review - An Almost Invisible and Useful Application | Dec 30 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow features | Dec 30 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Android 6.0 Marshmallow features - Android Authority | Dec 30 18:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 | Dec 30 18:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Dec 30 18:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Tux Machines | Dec 30 18:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682341465444372481 | Dec 30 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "Maybe my suicide…a successful business man, not a NIGGER,… finally bring some attention to this very serious issue" https://t.co/Hla3BzpYuv | Dec 30 18:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "He may also have actually been in jail. I have been unable to find a record of the arrest." https://t.co/iEwJvBXReT #murdock | Dec 30 18:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4 | Dec 30 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Ubuntu Touch https://t.co/mWjdOAlPdF | Dec 30 18:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch | Tux Machines | Dec 30 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Red Hat is a "top pick" for 2016 according to | Dec 30 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | one Wall Street analyst" | Dec 30 18:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat an analyst top '16 pick; Kalobios bakruptcy; Apple's $350M tax deal; offensive trademarks case :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire | Dec 30 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Carmageddon: Reincarnation still aiming for a | Dec 30 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux version https://t.co/uXSSiIKo7w | Dec 30 18:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Carmageddon: Reincarnation still aiming for a Linux version | GamingOnLinux | Dec 30 18:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/682344103204409344 | Dec 30 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: To think, not so long ago we used to loudly applaud every game ported to Linux. Thanks to @steam_games it's humdrum! https://t.co/qJNu9iMI9D | Dec 30 18:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Carmageddon : Reincarnation still aiming for a #Linux version https://t.co/EGBOHk9XIh #games #gnu | Dec 30 18:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | v | Dec 30 18:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/davidmhall/status/682345979983622144 | Dec 30 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@davidmhall: @schestowitz I would respectfully suggest it's "Us v. Them", "the Dominators v. The Dominated" | Dec 30 18:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ori and the Blind Forest won't come to Linux | Dec 30 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for now, due to Microsoft | Dec 30 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Ori and the Blind Forest won't come to Linux for now, thanks to Microsoft | GamingOnLinux | Dec 30 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OSI Mourns Co-Founder Ian Murdock | Dec 30 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dfFda1YP7k (opensource.org) | Dec 30 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | OSI Mourns Co-Founder Ian Murdock | Open Source Initiative | Dec 30 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Dec 30 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/M1xO7ozhXD (www.androidpit.com) | Dec 30 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com | 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 - AndroidPIT | Dec 30 18:54 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ian-murdock-police-report.jpg | Dec 30 18:57 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Gordon_Carswell/status/682350046352912384 | Dec 30 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gordon_Carswell: @schestowitz @AFP Yay freedom!! Err...hide! | Dec 30 19:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi | Dec 30 19:05 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: thanks | Dec 30 19:06 |
| r_schestowitz | good find | Dec 30 19:06 |
| r_schestowitz | didn't see anyone else managing to find it | Dec 30 19:07 |
| cubexyz | it's real | Dec 30 19:09 |
| cubexyz | checked vinelink.com myself | Dec 30 19:09 |
| cubexyz | something must have happened after Sunday though | Dec 30 19:10 |
| cubexyz | the reporting agency is the San Fransisco County Sheriff's Office | Dec 30 19:11 |
| cubexyz | San Francisco | Dec 30 19:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/682262086966231041 https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/682259104690253825 | Dec 30 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: @ggreenwald You should have warned me. | Dec 30 19:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: @alexrblackwell @NCSCgov They'll probably go with the @EFF hoodie. More rustle for their hustle. | Dec 30 19:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | He died on Monday, no? | Dec 30 19:12 |
| cubexyz | yes I think so | Dec 30 19:12 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682352359662600192 | Dec 30 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz this is sounding really suspicious. I wonder how the Debian community will react to it. | Dec 30 19:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: what can we deduce from the report other than his middle name | Dec 30 19:13 |
| cubexyz | well there's the Sheriff's Office phone number | Dec 30 19:14 |
| cubexyz | (415)-553-1430 | Dec 30 19:14 |
| cubexyz | found dead at home | Dec 30 19:18 |
| cubexyz | I would suggest checking San Francisco media, e.g. web sites, newspapers, radio, etc | Dec 30 19:23 |
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| oiaohm | https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore.git/+/51b1b6997fd3f980076b8081f7f1165ccc2a4008 Now this does not look good for the apache fork of java | Dec 30 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android.googlesource.com | 51b1b6997fd3f980076b8081f7f1165ccc2a4008 - platform/libcore.git - Git at Google | Dec 30 19:25 | |
| msb__ | Shouldn't there be an arrest report? Aren't arrest reports publicly available? | Dec 30 19:29 |
| cubexyz | nothign I can find as yet | Dec 30 19:31 |
| cubexyz | there's http://sfsheriff.com | Dec 30 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfsheriff.com | San Francisco Sheriff's Department | Dec 30 19:32 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.sfgate.com/arrestrecords/san_francisco/ | Dec 30 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sfgate.com | San Francisco Arrest Records in the San Francisco Bay Area at SFGate - SFGate [ http://ur1.ca/od8fw ] | Dec 30 19:33 | |
| cubexyz | no idea why Murdock was arrrested in the first place | Dec 30 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: was the screenshot real? | Dec 30 19:36 |
| cubexyz | anyone can log onto http://www.vinelink.com and check it | Dec 30 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vinelink.com | VINELink | Dec 30 19:37 | |
| cubexyz | select california and Offender ID: 608067 | Dec 30 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Dec 30 19:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I am trying to help people like SJVN and other FOSS journalists get info | Dec 30 19:40 |
| r_schestowitz | Just posted the phone number | Dec 30 19:40 |
| r_schestowitz | Because we need a deeper, pushy inquiry | Dec 30 19:40 |
| r_schestowitz | in case he was killed because of the blows | Dec 30 19:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tKchW6xbR7 (news.softpedia.com) | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8gn | Dec 30 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Dec 30 19:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4 | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Ubuntu Touch https://t.co/QuXIHyb82u | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Dec 30 19:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch | Dec 30 19:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Seen Profiting From | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Growing Interest In Open-Source Software | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ieXphWg3FT | Dec 30 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (theenterpriseleader.com) | Dec 30 19:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theenterpriseleader.com | Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Seen Profiting From Growing Interest In Open-Source Software | Dec 30 19:42 | |
| cubexyz | you could try http://sfgov.org/medexaminer | Dec 30 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfgov.org | Office of the Medical Examiner | Dec 30 19:43 | |
| cubexyz | maybe they would tell us the cause of death | Dec 30 19:43 |
| r_schestowitz | can you phone them up now? | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | still office hours in SF | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | see what they say | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | about the case/ID | Dec 30 19:44 |
| cubexyz | sure, I'll send them an email | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | even if they say nothing, that's something | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | for publication | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | Ars Technica asked | Dec 30 19:44 |
| r_schestowitz | and got no reply as of yet... | Dec 30 19:44 |
| cubexyz | ok... email sent | Dec 30 19:48 |
| cubexyz | I specified his full name and birthday, and general circumstances | Dec 30 19:48 |
| cubexyz | current california time: 4:49 PM | Dec 30 19:49 |
| cubexyz | so maybe I'll get something back | Dec 30 19:49 |
| cubexyz | if Murdock is really dead then that office should know something | Dec 30 19:51 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Dec 30 19:52 |
| r_schestowitz | keep us updated | Dec 30 19:52 |
| r_schestowitz | as I will write updates even if there are none, which does say something | Dec 30 19:53 |
| cubexyz | they might not tell me anything as I'm not next of kin | Dec 30 19:53 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe | Dec 30 19:54 |
| r_schestowitz | I think the public has a certain right to know | Dec 30 19:55 |
| r_schestowitz | because there was police abuse in this case | Dec 30 19:55 |
| r_schestowitz | like stripping him, beatings to the head | Dec 30 19:55 |
| r_schestowitz | so there needs to be public demand for answers | Dec 30 19:55 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted the phone number twice online | Dec 30 19:55 |
| r_schestowitz | for people in the US (not only) to consider calling | Dec 30 19:55 |
| r_schestowitz | it might put some pressure on them, which I guess can't do any harm | Dec 30 19:55 |
| cubexyz | well if he died on Monday and it's wednesday they could at least confirm he's dead | Dec 30 19:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/negativland2006/status/682365838402433025 | Dec 30 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@negativland2006: @schestowitz @techdirt has anyone patented tactile entry of information yet, ie a keyboard, or buttons | Dec 30 20:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | the 'business method' taken by the person or the interpretation of keystrokes. Check IBM's trove; keyboard pats | Dec 30 20:16 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SRKQuiz/status/682368181403529221 | Dec 30 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SRKQuiz: @schestowitz True, but that doesn't mean he has to be in students' face. Statute can be removed. | Dec 30 20:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | Being offended as means for censorship is as oppressive in some cases | Dec 30 20:17 |
| cubexyz | the qwerty keyboard has been around a long time :) | Dec 30 20:18 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SRKQuiz/status/682368846439788544 | Dec 30 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SRKQuiz: .@schestowitz Ironic that Brits were so self-righteous about racists southerners and the confederate flag. Flag part of south's history too. | Dec 30 20:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but not the same as tactile | Dec 30 20:18 |
| r_schestowitz | IBM did lots of keyboatd so-called r and d | Dec 30 20:18 |
| r_schestowitz | like how to build the keys | Dec 30 20:18 |
| r_schestowitz | and make them feel snappy, be durable | Dec 30 20:18 |
| MinceR | afaik they did pretty well, until they switched to rubberdome | Dec 30 20:20 |
| MinceR | though i prefer cherry mx blue | Dec 30 20:20 |
| cubexyz | uh, IBM 1130 had a console: | Dec 30 20:20 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130.jpg | Dec 30 20:20 |
| cubexyz | that goes back to 1965 | Dec 30 20:21 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-console.jpg | Dec 30 20:25 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/682373156040904704 | Dec 30 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Far more dangerous here than from the exaggerated & glamour-branded "usual suspects." https://t.co/I99cPde1Ir | Dec 30 20:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: With over 10,000 gun-related deaths a year (including #police murders, suicides that may be caused by system's abuses), US looks more scary | Dec 30 20:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kambrone64/status/682374365216915456 | Dec 30 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kambrone64: @schestowitz @NewsCoverUp i think the only thing to help to stop with this violence within the US is the yellowstone caldera | Dec 30 20:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/682374469470441474 | Dec 30 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Funny, i was just listening to Gen. K.Alexander (ret.) saying he had wanted C. Rice 4 NSA credibility. https://t.co/8LbBznm9Rw | Dec 30 20:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Funny, i was just listening to Gen. K.Alexander (ret.) saying he had wanted C. Rice 4 NSA credibility. https://t.co/8LbBznm9Rw | Dec 30 20:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/682375474169827330 | Dec 30 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Poster Person of the decade for credibility & transparency-- https://t.co/t7q7mSx46k | Dec 30 20:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Condoleezza Rice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 30 20:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/ | Dec 30 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 • The Register | Dec 30 20:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | According to the San Francisco police, officers were called to Steiner and Union St in the city at 11.30pm on Saturday, December 26, following reports of a man trying to break into a home – that man was identified as Ian Murdock. He reportedly fought with the cops, and was given a ticket for two counts of assault and one for obstruction of an officer. The techie had been drinking, according to the police logs. A medic arrived to treat an | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | abrasion to Murdock's forehead, and he was released so he could be taken to hospital. | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | A few hours later, on Sunday, December 27 at 2.40am, police were called again to reports of Murdock banging on the door of a neighbor at the very same block. A medic arrived to treat him for any injuries at the scene. Next, the cops took Murdock to the county jail where he was held in a cell. | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Murdock was bailed later that day, on Sunday, after a bond, said to be $25,000, was paid. He died the next day. | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | His family has asked people to respect their privacy during this difficult time. | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 20:43 |
| r_schestowitz | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/ | Dec 30 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.co.uk | Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 • The Register Forums [ http://ur1.ca/od8oz ] | Dec 30 20:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | "The worrying thing is that they're not just "The US Police". As recent court cases have shown, they're The World Police, because US law applies globally. So don't think you're safe from this kind of treatment, just because you're not unfortunate enough to live in the US." | Dec 30 20:46 |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: cubexyz msb__ but that't the "official" story from the police | Dec 30 20:49 |
| r_schestowitz | which one might consider sanitised | Dec 30 20:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and can dissect the text | Dec 30 20:49 |
| r_schestowitz | as if they were trying to help him | Dec 30 20:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and he was just some drunk aggressive man | Dec 30 20:49 |
| MinceR | yah | Dec 30 20:50 |
| MinceR | s/a/ea/ | Dec 30 20:50 |
| cubexyz | it just seems very strange | Dec 30 20:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ytodk/ian_murdock_dead_and_tweeting_about_police/ | Dec 30 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock Dead and tweeting about police brutality. How did he die!? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/od8q4 ] | Dec 30 20:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: your screenshot cited there | Dec 30 20:55 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe from my twitter feed | Dec 30 20:55 |
| r_schestowitz | "Cops murdered him, the only question is whether they pulled the trigger or just got him to do it himself." | Dec 30 20:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Maybe they mean punch/batter him to death | Dec 30 20:55 |
| r_schestowitz | "Interesting that that website labels him as an offender. Has he been convicted of anything yet? If not, surely he's not yet an offender." | Dec 30 20:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 20:56 |
| r_schestowitz | The family is requesting people respect their privacy and are referring to this as a "private matter." | Dec 30 20:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Until they speak more, this is a private matter for his family, a matter that they do not wish to be public. | Dec 30 20:56 |
| r_schestowitz | EDIT: | Dec 30 20:56 |
| r_schestowitz | You can, as Docker has asked, run your enquiries through Docker's contact. They may answer some of your questions? | Dec 30 20:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 20:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Families can be easily intimidated/reach secret settlements, and we'd still be left without the truth. Doesn't Ian deserve to have the truth revealed? That request seems to be right there in his last tweets. Almost like his dying wish. | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | And what happened to his promised blog posts before he died anyway? He sounded like he wouldn't have committed suicide until he would've posted more about it. Yet, they are nowhere to be seen and he's dead. Did he write them and got pulled down, too? But then who managed to pull the tweets as well as the blog posts? In the wake of his death, was the family really thinking about pulling that content down ASAP? Seems a little unusual. | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I just hope that for his sake and his memory, the family won't be the only one seeking more information about what happened. | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | "IF police corruption played a hand in this, then the fear/mistakes of his family should be sidestepped. They aren't just his family's police." | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | "Sometimes the family / next of kin ignores the wishes of the person who died, whose wishes should be followed in such a situation?" | Dec 30 20:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://steamcommunity.com/app/261570/discussions/0/617329150704920661/?tscn=1451499879#c458604254450794350 | Dec 30 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-steamcommunity.com | Linux? :: Ori and the Blind Forest General Discussions | Dec 30 20:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | MS blocks Linux | Dec 30 20:58 |
| r_schestowitz | doesn't "love Linux" | Dec 30 20:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ysdi4/ian_murdocks_twitter_is_gone/ | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I see four likely options: | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | He killed himself after a major incident. He claimed to have been beaten twice and even stripped by a female officer. This option mainly assumes he was in a bad place already, though. | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | After seeing who they assaulted, the severity of the situation, and the fact they'd lose their jobs and go to prison for a long time, the crooked cops went back and finished him off. Or they had no idea about it and just went for round 2 a bit too hard. | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | He succumbed to mortal wounds inflicted in the beating. Likely internally bleeding. | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | He had a mental breakdown of some kind. Schizophrenia for instance, nothing really happened and he killed himself. | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Really, we need to contact the local police and ask for more information as well as inform media outlets of the situation. "Rich, white, extremely important developer dies to police brutality" is a juicy headline that they'd love to investigate. | Dec 30 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock's Twitter is gone : linux | Dec 30 21:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | Edit: Someone found the this, proves he was arrested and made bail. | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | good comment for a change (in reddit) | Dec 30 21:00 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/douglaswan/status/682378533050646528 | Dec 30 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@douglaswan: 操 https://t.co/34OP12Y1wU | Dec 30 21:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ian Murdock's tweets, as text https://t.co/L8DJmCEcA8 | Dec 30 21:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run | Dec 30 21:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/KG1iCoGqQt | Dec 30 21:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.digitaljournal.com) | Dec 30 21:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8rj | Dec 30 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com | Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run Linux | Dec 30 21:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run | Dec 30 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/oc96T3qXTK | Dec 30 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8rk | Dec 30 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 30 21:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Microsoft Loves Linux?! https://t.co/8hxpYUD5N5 | Dec 30 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8rl | Dec 30 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Loves Linux?! | Tux Machines | Dec 30 21:10 | |
| msb__ | "abrasion to Murdock's forehead" "taken to hospital" "i had to have swtitches" -- sound like clubbed on the head by police truncheon. Fully capable of causing brain bleed. | Dec 30 21:19 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/walmyrcarvalho/status/682383691432259585 | Dec 30 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@walmyrcarvalho: That's bizarre. https://t.co/v71jKceXpi | Dec 30 21:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The cause of death is unclear at present, but Murdock tweeted the same day that he would commit suicide" https://t.co/EBpmIylXV1 | Dec 30 21:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kambrone64/status/682386240776310784 | Dec 30 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kambrone64: @NewsCoverUp @schestowitz :) | Dec 30 21:35 | |
| -->DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@unaffiliated/daemonfc) has joined #techrights | Dec 30 21:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/682390338569433089 | Dec 30 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: . @schestowitz @MarkEbner59 All the #murdock-case needs is a good investigative #journalist. Enough public interest exists. #Debian #Linux | Dec 30 21:43 | |
| MinceR | do those still exist? | Dec 30 21:43 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, well, not a single article has yet been written to challenge SF #police over their murder (of induced suicide) of #murdock | Dec 30 21:44 |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: a few | Dec 30 21:44 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe I will write about this in techrights? | Dec 30 21:44 |
| r_schestowitz | A bit off topic? | Dec 30 21:44 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 30 21:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I think it is | Dec 30 21:44 |
| r_schestowitz | what do you think? | Dec 30 21:44 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MartinHoyle0121/status/682390236547125248 | Dec 30 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MartinHoyle0121: #skynews #bbcnews @BillGates Have Concerns with You Manipulating Multi Choice #education in #USA https://t.co/VRDj3CXwHg Creativity Lost? ;) | Dec 30 21:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Dec 30 21:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | This too is a little OT | Dec 30 21:45 |
| r_schestowitz | But less on criminal law, more on software monopolist | Dec 30 21:45 |
| MinceR | Murdock's case does seem a bit off topic | Dec 30 21:46 |
| MinceR | at least until we find out the reasons behind it | Dec 30 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that he went nuts on Twitter and then was threatening to kill himself. | Dec 30 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Then his account was deleted before anything archived any of it. | Dec 30 21:48 |
| msb__ | I just phoned the SF Central Records Unit, and the guy said that to get a copy of the arrest record (which he did find) I would have to call the legal dept and send them a fax sheet from my organization (which he thinks would have to be govt or media) and they would fax it back (maybe -- he didn't know what else is involved). -- said to call 415 554 7225 city hall exec secy of sheriff's office and ask for Freya Horne or Mark Nicco. | Dec 30 21:49 |
| MinceR | there's an archive of it on archive.is | Dec 30 21:49 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/OPlI7 | Dec 30 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 30 21:50 | |
| msb__ | I guess Da Reg must have done this. | Dec 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That is pretty unintelligible. I think that someone else got control of his account. | Dec 30 21:52 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: Do you have an official looking fax cover sheet? | Dec 30 21:52 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: The arrest was real. The SFPD has a record of it. | Dec 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, nobody knows what actually happened. | Dec 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | Was he on drugs? Did he attack the police officers? | Dec 30 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682392347301261312 | Dec 30 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz Strange that the female cop who hit Davis wasn't named in the deposition details. Wasn't Murdock also claiming female hit him? | Dec 30 21:54 | |
| msb__ | Techright.org is as legitimate as The Register | Dec 30 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/682392395342807040 | Dec 30 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: Not jet! I feel a wave rising... Info @MarkEbner59 @schestowitz #murdock #justice4murdock https://t.co/YchKR8sNxO | Dec 30 21:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@Lars9596 yes, well, not a single article has yet been written to challenge SF #police over their murder (of induced suicide) of #murdock | Dec 30 21:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | [02:46] <MinceR> Murdock's case does seem a bit off topic | Dec 30 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah, see above | Dec 30 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | I reckon the general media will be on it tomorrow if they're not off work | Dec 30 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so no point to doing what will be done soon anyway | Dec 30 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not rich and I've never been treated by the police the way he described. In fact, they have given me warnings when they could have given me speeding tickets. | Dec 30 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I called the police last month because a homeless guy passed out in the lobby, and they sent fire and rescue, three police cars, an ambulance, and some other stuff to make sure he was alright. | Dec 30 21:57 |
| msb__ | I think The Register redacted the arrest report. It should give the exact address of the door he was banging on. If we had that, we could do a reverse lookup and maybe contact them. I don't think the corporate media are going to do that. | Dec 30 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | They spend tons of money on that sort of thing every year. | Dec 30 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that the police go out looking to attack people for no reason. | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: great, thanks, posted this info online | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:54] <DaemonFC> Was he on drugs? Did he attack the police officers? | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | You're too late to the paety | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | a lot is known now | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | *party | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | your questions show you're half a day behind | Dec 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | I saw the Slashdot article and not much more. | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | he was bleeding and stuff | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | partial vision | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | and shakiness | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | so like I said 2 nights ago, it's consistent with what you might expect | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/682394043377123333 | Dec 30 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz taser=a deadly weapon for attacking the unarmed and vulnerable. | Dec 30 22:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/682394250479300609 | Dec 30 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: Murdock: https://t.co/WB7S55fpLW | Dec 30 22:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "they beat the shit out of me twice... i had to go to the hospital... they followed me home... pulled me out of my house...have swtitches" | Dec 30 22:00 | |
| msb__ | Still, I think a taser or stungun is better than clubbing someone on the head. | Dec 30 22:02 |
| msb__ | I think there are also shotgun cartridges that fire a net at a person. | Dec 30 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Sounds like a manic episode with a psychotic break." wrote one commenter on Breitbart. | Dec 30 22:03 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: not just in fiction? | Dec 30 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | There are huge gaps in the story and most of it is hearsay. | Dec 30 22:05 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: can't find a net cartridge but there are definitely beanbag rounds. | Dec 30 22:09 |
| msb__ | I would think two or three cops wearing face shields and leather gloves and jackets would be able to subdue an unarmed man using just their hands. Or club him anywhere _except_ his head or neck. There's also "mace". | Dec 30 22:12 |
| r_schestowitz | face shields can be used as weapons | Dec 30 22:16 |
| r_schestowitz | head-butting | Dec 30 22:16 |
| msb__ | Or call a firetruck and squirt him with a high-pressure water stream. There are lots of ways to subdue a person (who doesn't have a gun) that don't cause permanent injury. But cops are too lazy to use them, or aren't provided with them, so it's easier to shoot the person or hit them on the head. | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | water cannons can be dangerous too | Dec 30 22:19 |
| r_schestowitz | can knock a person down on the head | Dec 30 22:19 |
| msb__ | I don't know why tranquilizer darts are routinely used on animals but never on people. | Dec 30 22:19 |
| r_schestowitz | a friend of mine almost died after being punched down by some thug | Dec 30 22:19 |
| r_schestowitz | he survived after a coma | Dec 30 22:20 |
| r_schestowitz | needed the skull redone | Dec 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, hosing people down from fire trucks is a great way to be killed in Grand Theft Auto V. | Dec 30 22:20 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: maybe the arrow don't have immediate effect | Dec 30 22:20 |
| r_schestowitz | *arrows | Dec 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | Assuming they manage to get to you... | Dec 30 22:20 |
| r_schestowitz | twitter says I got 91,000 impressions in the past 24 hours | Dec 30 22:21 |
| msb__ | So, just wait. They guy doesn't have a gun, so he's not hurting anybody. | Dec 30 22:21 |
| r_schestowitz | this is more than usual, nearly 100,000 impressions | Dec 30 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | These bigger cities are kind of messed up. Lots of homeless people here in Fort Wayne. Always trying to bum money. | Dec 30 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | Had a guy stick his head into my car the other day while I was in the drive thru at Starbucks, asking me for a $20. You get that two or three times in one block sometimes. | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Chicago PD got taser approved today | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Taser stock to rise | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | and ... | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft tase | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Globes English - Microsoft buys digital pen co N-trig for $200m - גלובס | http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-microsoft-buys-digital-pen-co-n-trig-for-200m-1001009295 | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Live Takes New York 3D | TechCrunch | http://techcrunch.com/2007/05/28/microsoft-live-takes-new-york-3d/ | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - WSJ : Microsoft in adware best practice talks with Israeli Co Babylon ... | http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2014/06/08/wsj-microsoft-in-adware-best-practice-talks-with-israeli-co-babylon-perion-ironsource/ | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Dan Tase | LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/tasedan | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft taser | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - TASER International and Microsoft Corp. announce partnership to ... | https://news.microsoft.com/2015/10/26/taser-international-and-microsoft-corp-announce-partnership-to-deliver-a-trusted-cloud-solution-for-law-enforcement/ | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft, Taser Enter Police Body Camera Partnership | http://www.fastcompany.com/3052764/fast-feed/microsoft-taser-enter-police-body-camera-partnership | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - TASER (TASR) Stock Gains on New Microsoft Partnership - TheStreet | http://www.thestreet.com/story/13338298/1/taser-tasr-stock-gains-on-new-microsoft-partnership.html | Dec 30 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft And Taser Announce Partnership To Boost Technology ... | http://www.techtimes.com/articles/100162/20151027/microsoft-taser-announce-partnership.htm | Dec 30 22:22 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: That's because our whole capitalist economic system is messed up. No jobs for about 1/3 of the people. | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | or more | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | or part time | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | or 0-hour contract | Dec 30 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I spoke to some who have this problem | Dec 30 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | they live on very little money | Dec 30 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | and some work several jobs at the same time just to pay for rent and food | Dec 30 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, Walmart starts at $10 now. They could make $400 a week guaranteed if they'd go get a job. | Dec 30 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I met a journalist today and we spoke for 3 hours | Dec 30 22:23 |
| r_schestowitz | he hardly earns enough money to make a living | Dec 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | You see that at every Walmart "Now hiring, all positions.". | Dec 30 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | he lives in London with his g/f | Dec 30 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | (who doesn't have a job) | Dec 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Unemployment in Fort Wayne is like 3.6% right now. | Dec 30 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | he has a university degree | Dec 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | People who want a job will find one. | Dec 30 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: if I work once a week at a bakery in indiana, am I "employed"? | Dec 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | It's easier to stick your head in someone's car and bum money off of them I guess. | Dec 30 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | If that's the most my boss/supervisor gives me | Dec 30 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | to keep me off pension rights and other key benefits? | Dec 30 22:25 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:24] <DaemonFC> Unemployment in Fort Wayne is like 3.6% right now. | Dec 30 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them are 32-40 hours a week. | Dec 30 22:25 |
| r_schestowitz | My butt is 3% black | Dec 30 22:25 |
| r_schestowitz | those numbers don't say much | Dec 30 22:25 |
| r_schestowitz | mostly gamed stats to make some local authority of federal gov. look good | Dec 30 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | They'd rather take advantage of the panhandling and free stuff. | Dec 30 22:25 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: people who have given up looking for work in the official places are not counted in the unemployment figures, which are actually about 25%. | Dec 30 22:25 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:25] <DaemonFC> Most of them are 32-40 hours a week. | Dec 30 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | most meaning >50% | Dec 30 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | What about the rest of them? What's the average? the median? | Dec 30 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | How many people are forced to do 60 hours per week for salary of just 40 hours? | Dec 30 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, and there is public assistance to go along with what you make at work if you're that damned poor. | Dec 30 22:26 |
| msb__ | The richest 1% really do have 99% of the wealth. | Dec 30 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | no | Dec 30 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | >50% in 2016 | Dec 30 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | food stamps, low income housing, free childcare, HIP (free healthcare) | Dec 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | 041950 < msb__> I don't know why tranquilizer darts are routinely used on animals but never on people. | Dec 30 22:27 |
| r_schestowitz | not sure if in US or global, can't recall | Dec 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | dosage is very difficult on those | Dec 30 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | There's like over 400,000 people on HIP now. | Dec 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | too little, and there's no effect | Dec 30 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's funded with Medicaid money. | Dec 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | too much and you get a corpse | Dec 30 22:27 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:27] <MinceR> dosage is very difficult on those | Dec 30 22:27 |
| r_schestowitz | welcome to lethal injection | Dec 30 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | People are avoiding working more to get more stuff like HIP. | Dec 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | yup | Dec 30 22:27 |
| r_schestowitz | unofficial, spontaneous death penalty | Dec 30 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | You keep under the income cap, you get free healthcare, so people are asking for fewer hours. | Dec 30 22:28 |
| r_schestowitz | hands up so we can aim at your bellybutton | Dec 30 22:28 |
| r_schestowitz | (not the neck) | Dec 30 22:28 |
| MinceR | right, you might not want the operators to get to decide to give a lethal dose on purpose either | Dec 30 22:28 |
| r_schestowitz | with animals you can shoot and wait | Dec 30 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's a pretty simple decision, r_schestowitz. You work 30 hours, you get $1,200 a month and don't have any healthcare expenses. | Dec 30 22:29 |
| r_schestowitz | until they get clam/sleepy | Dec 30 22:29 |
| r_schestowitz | not with potentially violent people, esp. if armed | Dec 30 22:29 |
| r_schestowitz | can't shoot and lurk | Dec 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | You work 40 hours a month, you get another $400 income, but then they tax that, and you're on your own for health insurance and copays and all that. | Dec 30 22:29 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682402424057905156 | Dec 30 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz @Snowden The foundation for so many distros | Dec 30 22:29 | |
| DaemonFC | You're basically working the extra hours for free, so people ask why they should bother. | Dec 30 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | People are asking for 30 hour a week jobs because HIP is a pretty sweet deal when you compare it to the health insurance that Walmart offers. | Dec 30 22:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682403337895985152 | Dec 30 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Outside of specialists' domain, #Microsoft-bribed #msm try to divide #FOSS—dissing OS as not 'shiny' as derivative X https://t.co/6MHWr0bZq5 | Dec 30 22:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #debian is not some redundant project or a replaceable one. @snowden used it (Tails is Debian-based) to leak stuff, #assange ex-Debian dev | Dec 30 22:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | Shiny OS... like physical patent... ascribing physical properties to something virtual | Dec 30 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: not everyone can get a job | Dec 30 22:32 |
| r_schestowitz | not even with criminal record | Dec 30 22:32 |
| r_schestowitz | or obesity akin to diability | Dec 30 22:32 |
| r_schestowitz | *disability | Dec 30 22:32 |
| r_schestowitz | some places just don't hire or hire only those most capable for them | Dec 30 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's really cheap to live here. | Dec 30 22:32 |
| r_schestowitz | so some people in their 50s might be in forever limbo | Dec 30 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | You could eek by on $700 a month if you had to. | Dec 30 22:32 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: not cheap when you have no income | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | no job means no income | Dec 30 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | A job at Walmart means living and extra spending money if you're not an idiot and don't fill your house with a litter of children. | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and I'm not sure what government handouts are like in Indiana | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Here in the UK they hand over houses to people | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | sometimes decent houses | Dec 30 22:33 |
| <--WeS has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Dec 30 22:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | Council Houses they're called here | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | pensioners or veterans sometimes require them | Dec 30 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, They don't usually do that here, but it's pretty cheap to rent an apartment even if there's no subsidy. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | not necessarily bad people at all, I see many of them around | Dec 30 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, low income housing here just means crime and filth. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I remember your old stories | Dec 30 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | It's why nobody wants it anywhere. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | where you used to live, in that horrible apartment with lunatic neighbours | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | That was around 2009... | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | i too lived in a small studio apartment at the time | Dec 30 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, they were pretty crazy. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | But a murder in Huntington is maybe a once or twice per decade thing. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I forgot people's names, except Madame harmon and Gonad the barbarian | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | or John later | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I forgot the mayor's name | Dec 30 22:35 |
| cubexyz | lol | Dec 30 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like the southeast side of Indianapolis or Fort Wayne, where they carjack you or mug you or just shoot you for no reason. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | the one whom I GIMPed | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | with the tache | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | he's in some old techrights article | Dec 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, Updike. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | can't recall which | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Haha, yes | Dec 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I volunteered with the mayor's re-election campaign this year. We're having dinner with him next month. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Fort Wayne, that is. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | He's a nice guy. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Updike was gender fluid | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | after some GIMPing | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | You used to rant about him though | Dec 30 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, he was an idiot. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | used to watch pr0n or something with his thing out when caught IIRC, or maybe that was someone else | Dec 30 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | The voters got rid of him. The trash pickup debacle was the last straw. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | 10 bags of trash in front of everyone's house over Easter Sunday because he stopped pickup until the town council passed a tax hike. | Dec 30 22:38 |
| r_schestowitz | ah, yes | Dec 30 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | His support evaporated immediately. | Dec 30 22:38 |
| r_schestowitz | that was what the GIMPing was about | Dec 30 22:38 |
| r_schestowitz | sesame street style | Dec 30 22:38 |
| r_schestowitz | cookie monster | Dec 30 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | Oscar The Grouch | Dec 30 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | The mayor in a trashcan with the lid for the hat. | Dec 30 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | Posted that around town. | Dec 30 22:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 30 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Allen County Democratic Party had a pretty nice election day party. We got to go up on stage with the mayor. | Dec 30 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | He's quite approachable. | Dec 30 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Mayor Henry came into the office and told us all to grab a cold beer out of the fridge. | Dec 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | They kept buying us lunch and stuff. | Dec 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, The economy of Fort Wayne is doing much better than the overall economy of Indiana. | Dec 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | We're about two full points below the state unemployment average. | Dec 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | The reason there's so many homeless is because that doesn't fly in the smaller towns. They don't have any services for them, so they go elsewhere. | Dec 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | It makes sense really, especially in the winter. There's no place in Huntington that shelters the homeless when it gets down to zero degrees outside, and certainly nobody will give them a meal or two every day. | Dec 30 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | They find their way to the nearest big city and it becomes a problem there. | Dec 30 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Dec 30 22:47 |
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| DaemonFC | I've got like 21 Blu Ray discs on order that haven't arrived yet. :P | Dec 30 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | The holidays mess up the mail something awful here. | Dec 30 22:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Olaaudreyhere/status/682409012533530624 | Dec 30 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Olaaudreyhere: https://t.co/u3v8mcQ1SD RT schestowitz: 'Incredible' Winter Flooding Along #Mississippi River Could Be Historic … https://t.co/ovCrsDWCVg | Dec 30 23:00 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Incredible' Winter Flooding Along #Mississippi River Could Be Historic https://t.co/3Byn97mp0a not just the #uk | Dec 30 23:00 | |
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| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: bluray is still alive? | Dec 30 23:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i hardly ever see any of it around anymore | Dec 30 23:00 |
| cubexyz | bluray-recordable? sure | Dec 30 23:00 |
| cubexyz | 25 gigs of storage | Dec 30 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | I also broke down and got a new player. My old Samsung BD-C5500 hadn't had a firmware upgrade since May 2013 and was getting unreliable. It took ten minutes to load Interstellar. It was crashing and freezing. Took a full minute just to start. | Dec 30 23:01 |
| r_schestowitz | streaming is a peril to them | Dec 30 23:01 |
| r_schestowitz | like netflix dRM | Dec 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced it with a BD-J5700. | Dec 30 23:01 |
| r_schestowitz | 25 gigs isn't much | Dec 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz: They're talking about doing 4K Ultra HD discs next year. | Dec 30 23:01 |
| r_schestowitz | you can buy a 3000gb hdd for less than $200 now, I think | Dec 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | You'll need a new player and it's a new physical format, and you need a new TV. | Dec 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't expect it to catch on. | Dec 30 23:01 |
| r_schestowitz | better read/write speed | Dec 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 4K TV, but it was just because they don't cost that much more than the 1080p models now. | Dec 30 23:02 |
| cubexyz | is anyone transmitting 4k tv signal? | Dec 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | DVDs are starting to look pretty dated. They have to be blown up like 24 times to fill my screen. Looks terrible. | Dec 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz: Just Netflix and Ultraflix right now I think. | Dec 30 23:02 |
| r_schestowitz | how far do you sit? | Dec 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | You can get some 4K movies on thumb drive and stick them into your USB port. | Dec 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz: 50" set and about 10 feet. | Dec 30 23:03 |
| r_schestowitz | you might not be able to take advantage of too many interpolated pixels anyway | Dec 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | I see a difference between 1080p and 2160p, but it's minimal. | Dec 30 23:03 |
| r_schestowitz | depends on your vision sharpness | Dec 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like going from VHS to DVD or from DVD to Blu Ray. | Dec 30 23:03 |
| r_schestowitz | mine is only perfect for short distances, like screens on a laptop | Dec 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz: Unless people plan to start buying 70+ inch TV sets or sitting 4 feet from their TV, it's mostly pointless. | Dec 30 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think 1080p is going to be the standard for another 10-15 years. | Dec 30 23:04 |
| cubexyz | doesn't even seem like HDTV has been around that long | Dec 30 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Only about 6 years since they started broadcasting it here. | Dec 30 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | And the broadcast standard in the US won't be updated to UHD for 10 years or more. | Dec 30 23:05 |
| cubexyz | I got my first HDTV set in 2009 | Dec 30 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | DVD is still plugging along mostly because of combo packs. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| cubexyz | too soon to dump it :) | Dec 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | People don't use the DVD and so they sell it off and keep the Blu Ray. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | People get DVDs because they're very cheap now. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | The local used movie store has racks and racks of used DVDs for $1.50-$2. | Dec 30 23:06 |
| r_schestowitz | [04:04] <DaemonFC> I think 1080p is going to be the standard for another 10-15 years. | Dec 30 23:07 |
| r_schestowitz | Right.. | Dec 30 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | The more expensive sets are like The Lord of the Rings extended DVD trilogy, which can still fetch about $15 for the full set. | Dec 30 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | 1080p makes perfect sense because of how bad 480i (DVD) looks on screens larger than about 32". | Dec 30 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | When you stretch an image out like that, you'll start seeing every imperfection in it. The TVs are so good now that it's exposing a lot of that undesirable stuff that lesser TV sets covered up. | Dec 30 23:10 |
| cubexyz | how big would a 4k TV need to be? | Dec 30 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz: They only start to make sense at about 50" or bigger. | Dec 30 23:10 |
| cubexyz | seems a bit premature still | Dec 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but the sets now are good enough and cheap enough. | Dec 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | You can get a decent 50" 4K set for $400. | Dec 30 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix has a bunch of stuff in 4K now. | Dec 30 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | It's noticeable, but not that important over 1080p. | Dec 30 23:14 |
| cubexyz | so 4K movies on optical are called...? | Dec 30 23:14 |
| cubexyz | super bluray? | Dec 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure what the marketing name will be. | Dec 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | It is an evolution of the Blu Ray format, which allowed for 3 and 4 layer discs from the start. | Dec 30 23:15 |
| cubexyz | Ultra HD Bluray I think | Dec 30 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | But it also required HEVC codec support. | Dec 30 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Fedora Security Lab is probably one of the | Dec 30 23:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/baHWEe68lf (fedoramagazine.org) | Dec 30 23:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Dec 30 23:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/2qy3O1rjtP | Dec 30 23:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Dec 30 23:18 | |
| DaemonFC | If it was just the new codec, existing players could get a firmware upgrade, but it's not. | Dec 30 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | You need new HDMI ports that are HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 compliant to get the full benefit. | Dec 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | yeah looks like there will be 100GB discs | Dec 30 23:21 |
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| msb__ | Here's a sedative with a wide margin of safety. Ativan aka lorazepam. I was in a hospital some years ago after a mild stroke and got severe hiccups, that were interfering with my breathing. I made a pest of myself to the nurses, insisting that they have a crash-cart handy in case my larynx seized up permanently (it was happening for a second or two). A doctor gave me 1mg of lorazepam. I fell asleep and pissed all over myself | Dec 31 00:42 |
| msb__ | without waking up. But the hiccups were gone. OK, 1mg causes deep sleep. Here's the Pfizer MSDS. LD50 is 1850mg/kg in rats. For a 50Kg person that would be 9200mg, with 2mg being pretty certain to knock him out, since 1mg put me down and I'm about 200kg. So that's about a 4500:1 safety ratio. It will be less if the person is drunk, but it's still very high. | Dec 31 00:42 |
| msb__ | https://www.drugbank.ca/system/msds/DB00186.pdf?1373674180 | Dec 31 00:43 |
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| cubexyz | what's with the ?number | Dec 31 00:44 |
| msb__ | the url works for me | Dec 31 00:45 |
| msb__ | in firefox | Dec 31 00:45 |
| msb__ | I think I botched the calculation. 1850 * 50 = 92500mg LD50 for a 50kg person. With 2mg being plenty to sedate him. So that's a safety ration of 45,000:1, even better. | Dec 31 00:49 |
| cubexyz | trying to figure out what the site is running | Dec 31 00:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/bsDQ0osnuL | Dec 31 00:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Dec 31 00:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Ntilbhwike | Dec 31 00:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Dec 31 00:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/rMv5otzM6p | Dec 31 00:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 31 00:52 | |
| msb__ | ration -> ratio | Dec 31 00:54 |
| cubexyz | they are running a nginx server | Dec 31 00:54 |
| msb__ | Which browser are you using? | Dec 31 00:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm just poking around their site | Dec 31 00:55 |
| cubexyz | can't quite put my finger on it but it feels familiar | Dec 31 01:00 |
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| cubexyz | custom job I guess | Dec 31 01:03 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, I think a tranquilizer dart loaded with 2mg of lorazepam would be pretty good for controlling an unarmed but violent person. The cops could just shoot him in the leg with it, and then retreat to their cars til he lay down on the sidewalk. Even if he had a knife they'd be safe. | Dec 31 01:06 |
| cubexyz | how long until the drug takes effect? | Dec 31 01:07 |
| msb__ | Depends on the route of administration and the dose. If it just hit him in skin or muscle, it should come on gradually enough that he'd lay down and not hit his head. | Dec 31 01:10 |
| msb__ | Orally it probably took 15 minutes for me. | Dec 31 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: They like to prescribe Seroquel as a sleeping pill now. | Dec 31 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | The dose isn't very high for that. | Dec 31 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | They only prescribe 50-100 mg as a sleep aid. | Dec 31 01:16 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682480942242500608 | Dec 31 04:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: in fact, we handed them victory... https://t.co/0SBABfElxQ | Dec 31 04:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The terrorists have won because we let them win https://t.co/i09TAThEvO | Dec 31 04:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/682489291239485440 | Dec 31 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz @semmoneglynn @Snowden If My Followers don't know what you are talking about. My followers had best brush the F**K UP. | Dec 31 04:43 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Have-proprietary-Linux-games-failed | Dec 31 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | Have proprietary Linux games failed? » Linux Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/od9y6 ] | Dec 31 05:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > He fails to question the metrics. IIRC, dual booters and users with | Dec 31 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > multiple machines are counted as "Windows", if one of the OSes is | Dec 31 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > Windows, and if the account is used from a Windows machine even once | Dec 31 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > during the measurement period, it is counted as "Windows". | Dec 31 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I saw that... | Dec 31 05:28 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/682508792962117632 | Dec 31 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz I've viewed the bowels of some not-for-profit schools that just might raise your hackles. | Dec 31 05:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/70949-debian-founder-ian-murdock-dies-at-42 | Dec 31 05:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 05:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > I'll skip the other links on the same topic. There is no new info yet. | Dec 31 05:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > One or more US-based teams, preferably in CA, need to FOIA what the | Dec 31 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Debian founder Ian Murdock dies at 42 [ http://ur1.ca/od9yn ] | Dec 31 05:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | > government has. It looks like at least for now his family is not going | Dec 31 05:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > to help. | Dec 31 05:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Techrights is sending the faxes right now. Already got them on the phone a few times... | Dec 31 05:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: | Dec 31 05:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enlightenment https://t.co/ygep6vfgnr | Dec 31 05:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Enlightenment | Tux Machines | Dec 31 05:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/682515001748361216 | Dec 31 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #SiliconValley: 'noble practitioner of well-intentioned entrepreneurship/innovation'. Really about power & politics. https://t.co/6jDpAb6ZcR | Dec 31 05:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: This Was the Year Tech Became the Bad Guy https://t.co/y9b7ZSqlLN non-techie billionaires panic, use laws to keep power | Dec 31 05:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheRealKerryG/status/682515123324321792 | Dec 31 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealKerryG: Seriously @QPSmedia ? Arresting a desperate dad who wanted some quality of life after chemo failed on his 2 year old https://t.co/DeLCXf4Ooe | Dec 31 05:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dad Arrested, His 2-yo Daughter Taken, for Successfully Treating Her Cancer with Cannabis Oil https://t.co/rohfEBN9fH #police | Dec 31 05:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | Police aren't doctors.They just beat people up, shoot them, and arrest them. Looking after their own back. | Dec 31 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheRealKerryG/status/682516636813791232 | Dec 31 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealKerryG: @schestowitz They're pretty good at turning a blind eye too. This is when it's appropriate to do so. @QPSmedia | Dec 31 06:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | Just "doing their job". As #murdock said, we're the police, we do whatever the f* we want. No matter the consequences. | Dec 31 06:03 |
| -mist-[Festive new year global notice] As we start to see the New Year in in more populated timezones, festive wallops and globals appear on the horizon. Join the new-year fun in #freenode-newyears. Or don't. I'm not the police. | Dec 31 06:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | Too insecure and uneducated, some people in #police would rather see a 2-year-old just die from cancer | Dec 31 06:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ConnorCarl/status/682521153928220672 | Dec 31 06:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ConnorCarl: @schestowitz He clarified he was talking about MINIMUM wage at 15 dollars is ridiculous and too high. | Dec 31 06:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | It's not | Dec 31 06:20 |
| msb__ | Many people are now reporting success using cannabidiol (a non-psychedelic substance in marijuana) against cancer. | Dec 31 06:21 |
| msb__ | In cases like this, the police attack whom they're told to attack by higher levels of the control hierarchy -- state and federal govt controlled by (e.g. pharmaceutical) corporations. | Dec 31 06:24 |
| msb__ | In California, where medical marijuana is legal, you can buy special high-cannabidiol/low-THC cannabis specifically bred for use against cancer. | Dec 31 06:30 |
| msb__ | Although it may be a crime to say so. | Dec 31 06:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: lol I like the marijuana myth. The high-cannabidial zero-THC is Genengically modified done in Australia by csiro it called industrial hemp. | Dec 31 06:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Myth? | Dec 31 06:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: yes to keep pests out of industrial hemp after THC is removed the cannabidiol level had to be increase. Just by pure chance its good for cancer. | Dec 31 06:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there is also a GM added defect in the leaf of industrial hemp compared to THC containing hemp. | Dec 31 06:37 |
| msb__ | what does that do? | Dec 31 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Hemp is another name of the marijuana plant. | Dec 31 06:38 |
| msb__ | what does the GM added defect do? | Dec 31 06:38 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to make zero THC is causing one GM mod so the plant does not know how to make it. Second GM mod is to bost cannabidials for pest protection. Final is the leaves are no longer submetrial at the bottom of each leaf is notch on one side that is not natural. | Dec 31 06:43 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so simply looking at the leaves you can tell Zero THC plants. | Dec 31 06:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: GM hemp came out of the same Csiro projects doing GM cotton. | Dec 31 06:48 |
| msb__ | THC is very beneficial, giving the psychedelic, social, psychological, euphoric effects. It helps people to resist and expunge lying propaganda, which is why it was made so severely illegal. | Dec 31 06:50 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no THC is not that beneficial at more than 0.1 percent. http://www.leafscience.com/2014/10/21/marijuana-memory/ | Dec 31 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.leafscience.com | Marijuana and Your Memory [ http://ur1.ca/oda4t ] | Dec 31 06:55 | |
| oiaohm | THC techically would be good to give to a person after rape or equal to nuke the memory being formed but that is about the only practical usage of it in large dosages. | Dec 31 06:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/682528417930149888 | Dec 31 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz they beat the shit out of me twice, then charged me $25,000 to get out of jail for battery against THEM https://t.co/y5yV1CitAr | Dec 31 07:00 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol Basically CBD Cannabidiol equals good improves nerve function helps ablity to learn... THC tetrahydrocannabinol equals bad in most cases as it jams up nerve functions and blocks ablity to learn. | Dec 31 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pastebin.com | Ian Murdock Tweets - Pastebin.com | Dec 31 07:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cannabidiol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/oda57 ] | Dec 31 07:00 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2015/06/how-to-use-cbd-oil/ Its very interesting chemistry. If you have something high CBD and low THC the CBD stops the THC from binding and causing trouble. | Dec 31 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bengreenfieldfitness.com | How To Use CBD Oil [ http://ur1.ca/oda5w ] | Dec 31 07:11 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: also high THC only comes about due to human interfence. It is another part of the myth basically the way to make low THC is simply have male to female plant ratio numbers right. | Dec 31 07:14 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.inquisitr.com/2668594/google-snubs-oracle-in-next-release-of-android-java-apis-dropped-in-favor-of-open-source-openjdk/ | Dec 31 07:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inquisitr.com | Google Snubs Oracle In Next Release Of Android - Java APIs Dropped In Favor Of OpenJDK [ http://ur1.ca/oda6a ] | Dec 31 07:15 | |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Have you ever used high-THC cannabis? If not, you don't know what you're talking about. THC was the main thing in the US in the 1960s that woke people up and led them to protest and stop the Vietnam War. | Dec 31 07:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to be correct if you can cannabis samples from the 1990 you they will at worst be 2 percent. Where modern cannabis samples can be 14 to 15 percent. | Dec 31 07:18 |
| msb__ | If you use it, you will find a wonderful integration between your sequential-deductive mind and your associative-lyrical mind (which is otherwise active mostly when you're dreaming). | Dec 31 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Dec 31 07:19 |
| oiaohm | 1960s not 1990s | Dec 31 07:19 |
| oiaohm | So high-THC cannabis is a modern thing msb__ | Dec 31 07:19 |
| msb__ | Wrong. | Dec 31 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Its not wrong. | Dec 31 07:20 |
| msb__ | There were high-THC strains of cannabis in the 1960s. I lived during that time. | Dec 31 07:20 |
| msb__ | I was born in 1945/ | Dec 31 07:20 |
| oiaohm | high-THC strains from the 1960 were the 2 percent stuff. | Dec 31 07:20 |
| oiaohm | With modern growing methods inside houses an the like you get the 14 to 15 percent THC. | Dec 31 07:21 |
| msb__ | There were high and low THC strains in the 60s. | Dec 31 07:21 |
| oiaohm | msb__: low strains are less than 0.3 | Dec 31 07:21 |
| oiaohm | like 2 percent is double want is classed safe. | Dec 31 07:21 |
| oiaohm | 14 to 15 percent is right out the ball park. | Dec 31 07:22 |
| msb__ | Thai sticks, Maui Wowie, etc. | Dec 31 07:22 |
| msb__ | High THC is very safe. You just smoke less of it. | Dec 31 07:22 |
| msb__ | It's called "titrating to effect". | Dec 31 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Not really at 2 percent smoking less of it works. 14-15 percent is what causes some of the nasty mental effects of modern day users. | Dec 31 07:23 |
| msb__ | Have you ever smoked medium or high THC cannabis? | Dec 31 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PlayStation 4 hacked to run Linux, Pokémon | Dec 31 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5n1OPyGtSD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 07:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PlayStation 4 hacked to run Linux, Pokémon | Tux Machines | Dec 31 07:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Still North Korea in Headlines | Dec 31 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eYvvALoMto (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oda6z | Dec 31 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Still North Korea in Headlines | Tux Machines | Dec 31 07:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682537804778356736\ | Dec 31 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz well, there's an explicit carve-out in #TPP, although not clear how well it will work | Dec 31 07:26 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: I don't have the receptors for THC or morphine(and releations). So been in contact with high THC don't have a clue of it effects. Found out I did not have the receptors when the complete town where I was was high because of a fire going through an illegal crop. | Dec 31 07:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: CBD is a good pain killer for me. | Dec 31 07:29 |
| msb__ | That's strange because THC and opiate receptors are entirely different. | Dec 31 07:30 |
| msb__ | You should try high THC anyhow. | Dec 31 07:30 |
| msb__ | Maybe you would stop pushing systemd. | Dec 31 07:30 |
| msb__ | If high THC doesn't work, try to find some peyote cactus. | Dec 31 07:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: my body has a few screwed up proteins the result is lot of my nerve receptors don't match anyone else. | Dec 31 07:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I see why systemd had to happen. I like how people say that people could use cgroups without systemd. Lets cover a basic problem. 1 Linux kernel only wants 1 item in charge of cgroups. So making services as a third party using cgroups requires some unified interface. | Dec 31 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Even on BSD systems jails and other security options BSD offer are under used. | Dec 31 07:35 |
| msb__ | I am not going to discuss systemd with you. And THC, properly used, is very beneficial to most people. | Dec 31 07:35 |
| oiaohm | THC in under 1 percent dosages with CBD has in some cases show some beneficial but then you have to remember CBD protects from some of the worst effects of THC | Dec 31 07:37 |
| oiaohm | CBD alone in a lot of cases is just as effective as CBD with THC. | Dec 31 07:38 |
| msb__ | THC does not have bad effects unless you take too much. | Dec 31 07:41 |
| oiaohm | THC can have bad effects if you take it without CBD even in small dosages. | Dec 31 07:42 |
| msb__ | If you truly lack THC receptors, then your understanding of THC is as worthless as a stone-deaf person talking about music. | Dec 31 07:42 |
| oiaohm | The ratio of CBD to THC is what decides if it safe. | Dec 31 07:42 |
| msb__ | You are spouting lying propaganda of rulers who don't want people to be able to reject their lying propaganda. | Dec 31 07:43 |
| msb__ | THC helps people not be slaves. | Dec 31 07:44 |
| msb__ | That's why it's illegal. | Dec 31 07:44 |
| oiaohm | stone deaf talking about music that was Beethoven | Dec 31 07:44 |
| msb__ | he could hear by bone conduction | Dec 31 07:45 |
| msb__ | you are like a deaf person who lacks cochleas. | Dec 31 07:46 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Dec 31 07:46 |
| oiaohm | I know that. | Dec 31 07:46 |
| oiaohm | I had glue ear when young that completely blocked cochleas to being 100 percent non effective. | Dec 31 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say there are other ways to hear. | Dec 31 07:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yuhgr/the_register_debian_linux_founder_ian_murdock/ | Dec 31 07:47 |
| r_schestowitz | "Based on the article, he was drunk and it was late into the evening, so it might have been a case of him mistaking that house for his own. Not all of the streets in SF have excellent lighting." | Dec 31 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The Register: Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 [a few details about his police encounter] : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oda8q ] | Dec 31 07:47 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: not having the receptors made me ideal to be doing survey work on how badly people were effected by the drugs. | Dec 31 07:47 |
| oiaohm | msb__: since me coming into contact was not making me bias. | Dec 31 07:48 |
| r_schestowitz | "Wonderful. Cue the next round of outrage about how the police are lying to cover up assault. I'm not sure I buy the narrative that the police were at fault. I suspect it is based far more on prejudice against the police than any hard facts of this case. We have very little to go on either way, but one would expect an outcry from the family if the police were at fault, instead of the muted comments we have about it being a "private matter". | Dec 31 07:48 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 07:48 |
| oiaohm | msb__: personally thinking 1960s stuff was under 2 percent from all samples tested. THC to make people not slaves could possilbe work at under 1 percent and avoid the medical risks. | Dec 31 07:49 |
| msb__ | bruises and needing stitches | Dec 31 07:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: over 1 percent you start blocking out the production of memories. | Dec 31 07:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: old saying too much of a good thing. I serousally think THC is in that camp if it is effective dosage levels have to remain low. | Dec 31 07:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: something to remember thuggees in india where the first to work out how to make high. But that tech was not in the USA in the 1960s. But that tech is close to modern production methods. Super strong stuff was used to make slaves. | Dec 31 07:55 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: This is why we need to see the full arrest report so we can find out whose door he was knocking on and what he wanted. | Dec 31 07:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: if you could not remember you worked yesterday would you miss your pay for that day. | Dec 31 07:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: THC memory blocking effect can have very nasty downsides. | Dec 31 07:57 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: yes, but even police reports may be biased | Dec 31 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | or edited after the act | Dec 31 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | to justify what happened, serve as coverup | Dec 31 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | you might need personal testimony from neighbours | Dec 31 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | without police involved | Dec 31 08:08 |
| msb__ | True, but learning the location of the neighbors would help. | Dec 31 08:09 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzrkDGxZexA | Dec 31 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaa5 ] | Dec 31 08:10 | |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T4pBysFk84 | Dec 31 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jefferson Airplane - Mexico - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaad ] | Dec 31 08:13 | |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejvcd-JeVCQ | Dec 31 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | BREWER AND SHIPLEY- " ONE TOKE OVER THE LINE " - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaat ] | Dec 31 08:17 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/simovalley/status/682557360070606848 | Dec 31 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@simovalley: I'd rather turn to a witch @schestowitz @openDemocracy | Dec 31 08:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682556346554777604 | Dec 31 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: still very few details about what happened to Ian Murdock... https://t.co/SKkWmqmSJU | Dec 31 08:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Murdock had still been celebrating the Christmas season when he resisted arrest" https://t.co/EPkvRQWVBa | Dec 31 08:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hanscees/status/682557619920367616 | Dec 31 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hanscees: Founder Debian #linux dead after police harresment in USA https://t.co/tixT4PaIhI | Dec 31 08:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Murdock had still been celebrating the Christmas season when he resisted arrest" https://t.co/EPkvRQWVBa | Dec 31 08:45 | |
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| r_schestowitz | >>> No details, yet, but he's dead already: | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 31 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog [ http://ur1.ca/odaeu ] | Dec 31 09:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> That is really bad news. And on top of that, the police basically | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> killed him. I hope the details get out if they help. | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > Based on one theory, may have been a blood clot after so many blows to | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > the head | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Like what might have happened with Gary Kildall, but with authentic | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > police instead? Maybe docker was getting that big. | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > There is now a backlog of unexplained deaths: Michael Hastings (2013), | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Shane Todd (2013), Aaron Swartz (2013), Junichiro "itojun" Hagino (2007) | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > and especially Gary Kildall (1994). Which others? | Dec 31 09:07 |
| r_schestowitz | The founder of yum was run over in his bike by a runaway driver, but this one was no mystery. | Dec 31 09:07 |
| MinceR | 133500 < oiaohm> msb__: I see why systemd had to happen. I like how people say that people could use cgroups without systemd. Lets cover a basic problem. 1 | Dec 31 09:13 |
| MinceR | Linux kernel only wants 1 item in charge of cgroups. So making services as a third party using cgroups requires some unified interface. | Dec 31 09:13 |
| MinceR | where does it say that "1 item" must have pid1 and must include init, udev, [x]inetd, crond, atd, syslogd, firewall, bootloader, dns cache, webserver, container provisioner, ntpd and who knows what else? | Dec 31 09:13 |
| MinceR | yet another bad excuse | Dec 31 09:13 |
| MinceR | if only ratcrap people spent all the time they spent on coming up with excuses on coming up with a design first, they would have built something worth using | Dec 31 09:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroup mailing list in fact gives the 1 limit. | Dec 31 09:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also lot of the stuff you just listed is not in PID1 of systemd. | Dec 31 09:32 |
| MinceR | only carefully, irreversibly tied into pid1 so you can't get rid of them or replace them? | Dec 31 09:35 |
| MinceR | that makes things so much better | Dec 31 09:35 |
| MinceR | and again, all this time and effort spent on coming up with excuses could be better spent | Dec 31 09:35 |
| MinceR | why is it so hard to admit that lendows is not unix but a windows clone? | Dec 31 09:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really you are the one who doing the crap. | Dec 31 09:39 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 31 09:40 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem you have not fully read what issue systemd have suffered from either. | Dec 31 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Now you are asking for a citation on something you raised. | Dec 31 09:41 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one twisting reality to defend the indefensible | Dec 31 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Remember the example you brought up of systemd not being able to do cgroup tracking when it was loaded inside a cgroup. | Dec 31 09:41 |
| oiaohm | This releates directly to the cgroup require a single management interface. | Dec 31 09:42 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one who claims that diversity is evil and yet for whom turning 8 GNU/Linux distros into systemd/Linux wasn't enough | Dec 31 09:42 |
| oiaohm | It also reletates to why dbus started being used in upstart and systemd. | Dec 31 09:42 |
| MinceR | where does cgroup require that single management interface to be tied with all the crap systemd includes? | Dec 31 09:43 |
| MinceR | where does cgroup require dbus? | Dec 31 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Note that systemd and upstart idea was to use dbus at first then move to some from of kernel IPC. | Dec 31 09:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, once dbus is forced into the kernel | Dec 31 09:44 |
| oiaohm | A form of IPC that can safely cross container. | Dec 31 09:44 |
| MinceR | what's the problem with IPC that was designed to be restartable? | Dec 31 09:44 |
| MinceR | what's the problem with using kernel space for what kernel space is intended, and not to run everything? | Dec 31 09:44 |
| oiaohm | None of the existing IPC in Linux is designed with the idea of safely crossing containers. | Dec 31 09:44 |
| MinceR | how does having to put dbus of all things into the kernel from that? | Dec 31 09:44 |
| MinceR | why do technical decisions have to be driven by political agenda? | Dec 31 09:45 |
| oiaohm | kdbus in fact including extentions for crossing cgroups. | Dec 31 09:45 |
| oiaohm | features dbus default did not contain. | Dec 31 09:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/cygtfxj | Dec 31 09:45 |
| r_schestowitz | SWJ mentioned | Dec 31 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | qoaa comments on Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! [ http://ur1.ca/odaho ] | Dec 31 09:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | SJW | Dec 31 09:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: irrelevant | Dec 31 09:45 |
| oiaohm | in fact the bus1 now is fairly much stripping back to the cgroup crossing features. | Dec 31 09:45 |
| MinceR | good for them, i guess | Dec 31 09:46 |
| MinceR | why can't they start with that? | Dec 31 09:46 |
| MinceR | why does an attempt to force Linus' hand have to happen before they even consider stripping some of the bloat out of their shitty design? | Dec 31 09:46 |
| MinceR | why does Linus (not a developer of dbus, afaik) have to profile their userspace shit before they even think about changing the design? | Dec 31 09:47 |
| oiaohm | There are issues that trigger the systemd event. But that does not mean everything was implemented correctly. | Dec 31 09:48 |
| oiaohm | dbus to kdbus was lets look at existing IPC and attempt not to reinvent the wheel. | Dec 31 09:48 |
| MinceR | why not look at existing IPC that's not a shitty toy? | Dec 31 09:49 |
| MinceR | also, how does "look at" translate into "move into the kernel"? | Dec 31 09:49 |
| oiaohm | dbus was made because particular roles the existing in kernel posix, bsd ipc does not cut it. | Dec 31 09:50 |
| MinceR | m$ regularly uses overhead as an excuse for moving stuff from userspace to kernel space | Dec 31 09:50 |
| MinceR | "does not cut it", as in "is not bloated enough" | Dec 31 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Even so dbus in userspace in places is bloated but in other places dbus is lacking key features. | Dec 31 09:50 |
| oiaohm | To be correct its not the first time something like kdbus has happened. | Dec 31 09:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do you remember the tux webserver. | Dec 31 09:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you remember iis? | Dec 31 09:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUX_web_server | Dec 31 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TUX web server - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odai0 ] | Dec 31 09:52 | |
| MinceR | perhaps slowlaris or ultrix was also known to move stuff into the kernel for no reason? | Dec 31 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember TUX web server was also shot down by Linux. | Dec 31 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Opps Linus | Dec 31 09:52 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc731903%28v=ws.10%29.aspx | Dec 31 09:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Enable Kernel Caching (IIS 7) [ http://ur1.ca/odai2 ] | Dec 31 09:53 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: IIS7 comes after TUX Webserver. | Dec 31 09:53 |
| MinceR | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/david.wang/archive/2005/07/07/howto-use-kernel-response-cache-with-iis-6.aspx | Dec 31 09:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com | HOWTO: Use the HTTP.SYS Kernel Mode Response Cache with IIS 6 - David Wang - Site Home - MSDN Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/odai4 ] | Dec 31 09:53 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the first attempt at a webserver in Linux kernel is 1993 | Dec 31 09:54 |
| oiaohm | This is something that Microsoft was late to the party. | Dec 31 09:55 |
| oiaohm | And has failed to leave the party. | Dec 31 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | [14:52] <oiaohm> Remember TUX web server was also shot down by Linux. | Dec 31 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | overcome? | Dec 31 09:55 |
| MinceR | remember the nt system diagram you posted a while ago? | Dec 31 09:55 |
| MinceR | looks like they've spent quite some time at that "party" | Dec 31 09:56 |
| MinceR | even if they're in denial about it | Dec 31 09:56 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: TUX web server was proven not to able to keep up with a userspace web server with a few extra syscalls added to Linux kernel to improve through put. | Dec 31 09:56 |
| MinceR | https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7277870/ | Dec 31 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.furaffinity.net | Posting art on the internet could soon become a crime -- Mircea's Journal -- Fur Affinity [dot] net [ http://ur1.ca/odaif ] | Dec 31 09:57 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the kdbus mess was predictable. TUX web server is normally the more known example but there are about 15 cases of stuff attempting to be shoved into the kernel. | Dec 31 09:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet some people never learn | Dec 31 09:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember redhat also attempted pushing tux web server out with there kernels as well. | Dec 31 09:59 |
| MinceR | well, duh | Dec 31 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes you are right some people never learn. | Dec 31 09:59 |
| MinceR | redhat is a staunch believer in m$ "design" principles | Dec 31 09:59 |
| MinceR | as systemd, kdbus, gnome and most wayland implementations show | Dec 31 10:00 |
| oiaohm | There are other examples of ubuntu, suse even slackware. | Dec 31 10:00 |
| oiaohm | I remember the 4 way fight that lead to cgroups. | Dec 31 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes 4 different implementations some shoving huge ammounts of stuff into kernel space todo exaclty what cgroups do today. | Dec 31 10:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder which year will KDE be redefined as the Kernel-mode Desktop Environment | Dec 31 10:01 |
| oiaohm | The answer is never. | Dec 31 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Some things are not sane to have the possiblity of mulit implementations running at the same time. | Dec 31 10:02 |
| MinceR | like an entire operating system? | Dec 31 10:02 |
| oiaohm | UMS is a good example of not heathy. | Dec 31 10:03 |
| MinceR | is that why cancerd attempts to block every competitor? | Dec 31 10:03 |
| oiaohm | systemd never started with a plan. | Dec 31 10:04 |
| oiaohm | At least not a clean plan. | Dec 31 10:04 |
| MinceR | well, not a design | Dec 31 10:04 |
| MinceR | but it seems there was a sinister plan to take over all of GNU/Linux | Dec 31 10:04 |
| oiaohm | You can have a plan of what your objectives are but not have a design MinceR | Dec 31 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Something without a clear plan objectives and design is very had to have compadiblity with. | Dec 31 10:05 |
| oiaohm | had/hard. | Dec 31 10:05 |
| MinceR | in systemd's case, deliberately | Dec 31 10:06 |
| MinceR | compatible software means competition | Dec 31 10:06 |
| oiaohm | That is not a solid arguement. | Dec 31 10:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd really has not done anything that other init system replacements have not done before it. | Dec 31 10:07 |
| MinceR | it's apparently convincing enough for m$ and redcrap, though | Dec 31 10:07 |
| MinceR | oh, really | Dec 31 10:07 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a webserver built into it? | Dec 31 10:07 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit one version had a perl script webserver. | Dec 31 10:08 |
| oiaohm | for configuration. | Dec 31 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Removed because it was a huge security hole. | Dec 31 10:08 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a firewall configurator built into it? | Dec 31 10:09 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a bootloader built into it? | Dec 31 10:09 |
| oiaohm | SMF firewall. | Dec 31 10:09 |
| MinceR | did SMF come with a bootloader built into it? | Dec 31 10:09 |
| oiaohm | WIth zone management in solaris kind showed the need for firewall control. | Dec 31 10:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, and it's not like other processes could run on a unix-like kernel, right? | Dec 31 10:10 |
| MinceR | it's called unix because it's unitasking | Dec 31 10:10 |
| oiaohm | toybox fork to busybox does contain a bootloader as part of it init system. | Dec 31 10:11 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You say you have no THC or endorphin receptors in your body. Does that make you unable to feel pleasure? That would explain why you like to argue so much. | Dec 31 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically systemd managed just do what inividual init systems had done singley in all one project. | Dec 31 10:12 |
| MinceR | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html | Dec 31 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html ) | Dec 31 10:12 | |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a dns cache built into it? | Dec 31 10:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: busybox and toybox both have dns cache in them even worse broken than systemd default. Yes common question with busybox is what third party to use instead of the default provided. | Dec 31 10:14 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a container provisioner built into it? | Dec 31 10:15 |
| MinceR | busybox is hardly a good example as it's perfectly usable without its init | Dec 31 10:15 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not exactly. different proteins means my endorphin is different. | Dec 31 10:15 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure you can even build busybox with just about any subset of its applets, including without init | Dec 31 10:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SMF for one with zones has container provisioner and worse xml service configuration files. | Dec 31 10:16 |
| MinceR | msb__: arguing makes people feel pleasure | Dec 31 10:16 |
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| MinceR | which init system replacement had ntp built into it? | Dec 31 10:16 |
| MinceR | s/ntp/ntpd/ | Dec 31 10:16 |
| msb__ | Only sick fucks. | Dec 31 10:16 |
| MinceR | msb__: most humans are sick fucks, afaict | Dec 31 10:16 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: the timeserver feature in systemd is not ntpd. Instead its bare min without correction stuff. | Dec 31 10:17 |
| MinceR | ah, so it's a broken ntpd | Dec 31 10:18 |
| MinceR | that makes it fine, i guess | Dec 31 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Not broken ntpd. | Dec 31 10:18 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a broken ntpd built into it? | Dec 31 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Extreally lightweight ntpd | Dec 31 10:18 |
| MinceR | provided "extremely lightweight" means "devoid of functionality, but somehow still using resources" | Dec 31 10:19 |
| MinceR | seemed to me it means the opposite | Dec 31 10:19 |
| oiaohm | busybox-ntpd | Dec 31 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Also lacks a huge amount of ntpd features. | Dec 31 10:19 |
| MinceR | so basically your excuse for systemd is "busybox and SMF did it before" | Dec 31 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Its what has happened. | Dec 31 10:20 |
| oiaohm | systemd has basically collected up feature list of every init system and implemented it. | Dec 31 10:20 |
| MinceR | it's like fidesz's constitution, which is an atrocity that was allegedly cobbled together from the worst mistakes in constitutions of the world | Dec 31 10:21 |
| MinceR | it's not a problem if your design does stupid things as long as "others did it too" | Dec 31 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 31 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Even if you have a perfectly good feature list. | Dec 31 10:22 |
| oiaohm | If the people implmenting are not careful the item is a disaster. | Dec 31 10:22 |
| MinceR | very microsoftian thinking, believing that the "good feature list" makes the software good | Dec 31 10:22 |
| oiaohm | No before Microsoft. | Dec 31 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Commerical Unix use to have a who bigger competition over who had the best features before Microsoft joined the game. | Dec 31 10:23 |
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| MinceR | what did commercial unix stuff into the kernel that did not belong there? | Dec 31 10:23 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux kernel having text console processing running as ring 0 that comes straight from Unix. | Dec 31 10:24 |
| MinceR | at least there's a point to that | Dec 31 10:25 |
| MinceR | so naturally it has to go | Dec 31 10:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: UMS mode setting blocking kernel panic display comes from Unix. | Dec 31 10:25 |
| MinceR | what do minix and hurd do in that case? | Dec 31 10:26 |
| oiaohm | minix and hurd both can kernel panic safely by force setting the mode if required. | Dec 31 10:26 |
| oiaohm | So Minux and hurd you see kernel panic messages. | Dec 31 10:27 |
| MinceR | what sets the mode, the kernel? | Dec 31 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly minux allows usermode setting but also smartly puts own setting on kernel panic display. | Dec 31 10:28 |
| oiaohm | So minux case both do. | Dec 31 10:28 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 10:28 |
| MinceR | what does hurd do? | Dec 31 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Hurd is like KMS driver. | Dec 31 10:29 |
| oiaohm | so kernel. | Dec 31 10:29 |
| oiaohm | both solutions work. | Dec 31 10:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality there are a long long list of first attempts complete screw up. | Dec 31 10:30 |
| MinceR | yes, and redhat is trying to adopt all of the screwups | Dec 31 10:30 |
| MinceR | gotta catch 'em all | Dec 31 10:31 |
| oiaohm | You would call systemd redhat first really serous attempt to fix sysvinit limitations. | Dec 31 10:31 |
| MinceR | by adding much more severe limitations instead? | Dec 31 10:31 |
| MinceR | maybe they don't quite understand what "limitation" means | Dec 31 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Its not like ubuntu upstart did not cause some limitations either. | Dec 31 10:31 |
| oiaohm | seams to been sysvinit has been the elphant in the room as soon as someone attempts to fix it all hell breaks lose. | Dec 31 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Same has been true for when particular commerical unix attempted to switch away from sysvinit. | Dec 31 10:32 |
| MinceR | that would be because you're focusing on the dumb fucks trying to "fix" it with upstart and systemd | Dec 31 10:32 |
| MinceR | not on the dozens of better designed init/rc systems | Dec 31 10:33 |
| oiaohm | A lot are not better. | Dec 31 10:33 |
| MinceR | yeah, that one particular commercial unix which is in your mind the One True Unix | Dec 31 10:33 |
| oiaohm | the dozens just show how many times people have attempted. | Dec 31 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Unix init systems is a grave yard of failures. | Dec 31 10:34 |
| MinceR | "Solaris has always been an odd duckling among the *NIXen, which eschews many conventions that most others follow. | Dec 31 10:34 |
| MinceR | I for one find the hall-of-mirrors nature of the Solaris file system really fucking aggravating – last time I dealt with Solaris boxes, I was working on a system configured from a pile of directories and subdirectories haphazardly cross-linked between /etc/ and /usr/lib, which is absolutely fucking insane." | Dec 31 10:34 |
| MinceR | (source: http://pappp.net/?p=969 ) | Dec 31 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: now compare what you that decribed to how systemd lays out its unit files. | Dec 31 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Really systemd looks a hell of a lot like SMF | Dec 31 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Just done worse. | Dec 31 10:36 |
| MinceR | like the horrible parser bugs? | Dec 31 10:36 |
| MinceR | anyway, why do you systemd people pretend that unit files determine the behavior of services entirely? | Dec 31 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember SMF uses XML early version had a broken xml library great fun to boot with. | Dec 31 10:36 |
| MinceR | "pay no attention to what's in the binaries" | Dec 31 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Dec 31 10:37 |
| oiaohm | systemd does include watchdoging functionality. | Dec 31 10:37 |
| MinceR | it also includes the kitchen sink and flat tire | Dec 31 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Also what is better a unit file or having to define LSM settings like selinux,apparmor and so on to restrict application behavour to limit security risk. | Dec 31 10:38 |
| MinceR | you don't have to do either | Dec 31 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Please note unit files don't have to determine behaviour of services entirely. | Dec 31 10:40 |
| oiaohm | They just include the option of doing that. | Dec 31 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Also sysvinit exactly how does bash script really depend on what is in the binary. | Dec 31 10:41 |
| MinceR | shell scripts are far more powerful than unit files | Dec 31 10:41 |
| MinceR | and before you bring up debian sysvinit rc scripts (yet another dead horse), look at bsd's rc scripts | Dec 31 10:41 |
| oiaohm | bsd rc scripts do become painful when having to use jails. | Dec 31 10:42 |
| MinceR | at least the parser that deals with them has documented, predictable behavior | Dec 31 10:42 |
| MinceR | unlike systemd which ignores lines it doesn't understand | Dec 31 10:43 |
| MinceR | silently | Dec 31 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Not silently. | Dec 31 10:43 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: For mysterious deaths, how about Jon Postel dying 9 months after he tried to decrease US control over the Net DNS root servers. | Dec 31 10:43 |
| MinceR | yes, silently | Dec 31 10:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd does in fact log lines it cannot process | Dec 31 10:43 |
| oiaohm | So not silently. | Dec 31 10:44 |
| MinceR | i still trust my source more than you | Dec 31 10:44 |
| oiaohm | I have made broken unit files. | Dec 31 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Its like the claim that systemd does not report missing exec files. | Dec 31 10:45 |
| oiaohm | from unit files when it does in the logs. | Dec 31 10:45 |
| oiaohm | systemd does report those faults to the logs it could report it louder to the user. | Dec 31 10:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are a lot of things that systemd logs and keeps on booting where sysvinit and bsd solution could just die. | Dec 31 10:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 10:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, systemd just keeps on booting | Dec 31 10:47 |
| MinceR | while fsck is running | Dec 31 10:47 |
| MinceR | and sometimes it just fails to start services | Dec 31 10:47 |
| MinceR | and it SIGKILLs services without SIGTERM | Dec 31 10:48 |
| MinceR | but keep advertising it | Dec 31 10:48 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit has cases of failing to start services. | Dec 31 10:48 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 31 10:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have giving you debian bugs on that before. | Dec 31 10:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really I am getting sick of your borken record on some of this stuff. | Dec 31 10:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i got sick of your cancerd apologism long ago. | Dec 31 10:49 |
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| oiaohm | You called me apologism then ingnores where you have stuff wrong. | Dec 31 10:50 |
| oiaohm | The SIGKILL on services with SIGTERM that is classed as a bug in systemd if it happens. | Dec 31 10:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, whoever doesn't love cancerd has stuff wrong | Dec 31 10:51 |
| MinceR | what is "cgroup notification is unreliable" classed as in systemd? | Dec 31 10:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html | Dec 31 10:52 |
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| MinceR | as in, the thing you've built your entire cargo cult around doesn't work | Dec 31 10:52 |
| oiaohm | SIGTERM goes out before SIGKILL | Dec 31 10:52 |
| MinceR | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170765 | Dec 31 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Other than where someone coder errored. | Dec 31 10:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, it clearly does | Dec 31 10:52 |
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| MinceR | which is why the shell has no time to save its history | Dec 31 10:53 |
| MinceR | right? | Dec 31 10:53 |
| MinceR | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/317 | Dec 31 10:53 |
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| MinceR | notice that this is over 4 years after they started forcing systemd on users in fedora 15 | Dec 31 10:53 |
| MinceR | they've been considering this mess stable for 4 years and it still fails at its most basic functionality | Dec 31 10:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 317 and 1170765 are both closed bugs because they were in the end fixed. | Dec 31 10:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically examples of historic issues in systemd caused by poor quality coding. | Dec 31 10:55 |
| MinceR | so, have they removed this FIXME yet? https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/743970d2ea6d08aa7c7bff8220f6b7702f2b1db7 | Dec 31 10:56 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: that FIXME is still there for kinda straight forwards reasons. That is systemd running cgroup and being unable to reach to the outside for monitoring. Basically what bus1/kdbus is required to fix. | Dec 31 10:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have waited until such things are fixed before advertising systemd as stable | Dec 31 11:00 |
| MinceR | maybe then they wouldn't have a reason to force it on people | Dec 31 11:00 |
| MinceR | if systemd was as great as you people think, people would willingly adopt it on their own | Dec 31 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways they should have started with the dbus/kdbus/bus1 issue first. | Dec 31 11:01 |
| oiaohm | To allow clean comunication between containers. | Dec 31 11:01 |
| oiaohm | SMF started with a IPC to allow zones to talk to other zones. | Dec 31 11:02 |
| MinceR | and if systemd was good enough to adopt on its own, there would be no need to abuse secret APIs and gratuitous dependencies to force it on people | Dec 31 11:02 |
| MinceR | SMF also started outside pid1 | Dec 31 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 31 11:03 |
| oiaohm | First attempts of SMF was as PID1 | Dec 31 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Then it was moved out of PID1. | Dec 31 11:03 |
| oiaohm | But it took sun guys 4 months to work that out with SMF | Dec 31 11:03 |
| MinceR | for systemd, even 5 years weren't enough for that | Dec 31 11:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the big thing to remember with a cgroups or a Zones. Is the following memory, network , process id, userid, file system absoltely none of it may be shared. | Dec 31 11:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you want to complain about poor quality work on systemd I will not argue that is the fact. | Dec 31 11:06 |
| oiaohm | zones and cgroups do put need of a extra ipc for them. Also puts a need for the init system to be able to do extras. | Dec 31 11:07 |
| MinceR | they do not add the need for an entire dbus in the kernel, though | Dec 31 11:07 |
| MinceR | i wonder if not being allowed to share networking means the cgroups/zones are not allowed to talk to the host or anyone else | Dec 31 11:08 |
| oiaohm | I see the logic that trying to put dbus in kernel but with the historic example of tux webserver and others they should have known better. But people don't bother learning their history. | Dec 31 11:09 |
| MinceR | what's the point of networking if you're not allowed to talk to anyone? | Dec 31 11:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is the thing about zone and cgroups you could have something that only sees the interface of the vpn for example. So the fact that a local network address happens to match the vpn internal network map no flowl. | Dec 31 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you want to exactly control what stuff talked to. | Dec 31 11:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also I have a few games that want to connect to lobby server when only playing single player. | Dec 31 11:12 |
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| r_schestowitz | [15:43] <msb__> r_schestowitz: For mysterious deaths, how about Jon Postel dying 9 months after he tried to decrease US control over the Net DNS root servers. | Dec 31 12:09 |
| r_schestowitz | Never heard of it or him | Dec 31 12:09 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:16] <MinceR> which init system replacement had ntp built into it? | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | Wait, what? systemd has this too? | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | imagine security ramifications | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | NTP took a long time to mature | Dec 31 12:10 |
| MinceR | yup | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | still closing some vulns | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | well, bsd does | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | phk | Dec 31 12:10 |
| r_schestowitz | I think with LF money | Dec 31 12:11 |
| MinceR | and they insisted on using google's servers which worked in a non-standard way (divided leap seconds into drifting for a full day or so) and google didn't want them to use it | Dec 31 12:11 |
| MinceR | lendows is a train wreck, but that doesn't stop people like oiaohm from pretending it's the second coming | Dec 31 12:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682605209110081536 | Dec 31 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: How many times did M$ mess this kind of thing up @schestowitz ? Microsoft will inform on state-sponsored hacks https://t.co/OFhZ8lUitW | Dec 31 12:16 | |
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| msb__ | r_schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Dec 31 12:56 |
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| msb__ | On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident. | Dec 31 12:56 |
| msb__ | Age 55 | Dec 31 12:58 |
| XFaCE | [12:16:04]<r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682605209110081536 | Dec 31 13:08 |
| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: the question is why there are sucessful state-sponsored attack in the first place | Dec 31 13:09 |
| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: don't worry, trust Microsoft | Dec 31 13:09 |
| XFaCE | we have proof to back up why you should trust us; it's unfortunately proprietary proof tho | Dec 31 13:10 |
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| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: I'm assuming you covered that ZDnet article about the microsoft "linux certification"? | Dec 31 13:23 |
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| cubexyz | any more news about Ian Murdock? | Dec 31 14:10 |
| cubexyz | no reply from medical examiner :-/ | Dec 31 14:11 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Which others? | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | > There was also Barnaby Jack (2013). Who else? | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Don't know that one either. | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | XFaCE: I didn't | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | XFaCE: I wanted to | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | but I was very busy with EPO at that time | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted some rants in Twitter, Diaspora, etc. maybe I managed it briefly in a post too, but nothing very detailed | Dec 31 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [18:09] <XFaCE> r_schestowitz: don't worry, trust Microsoft | Dec 31 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft helps russia spy on activists | Dec 31 14:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Russian Spy Scandal Reaches Microsoft - Mashable | http://mashable.com/2010/07/14/russian-spy-microsoft/ | Dec 31 14:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Windows Flaw Let Russian Hackers Spy On NATO, Report ... | http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/14/356167086/microsoft-windows-flaw-let-russian-hackers-spy-on-nato-report-says | Dec 31 14:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Other Tech Giants Active ... | http://conspiracy-watch.org/tech-giants-participation-with-nsa-confirmed-while-activists-launch-anti-spying-initiative/ | Dec 31 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | wait, that's not the story, they stuffed it with another | Dec 31 14:25 |
| r_schestowitz | in short, MS helps state-sponsored attacks by Putin on Russians | Dec 31 14:25 |
| r_schestowitz | NSA against US | Dec 31 14:25 |
| r_schestowitz | and perhaps many others | Dec 31 14:25 |
| r_schestowitz | Can't think of China example, but Yahoo! is known for one such famous example | Dec 31 14:25 |
| r_schestowitz | will Microsoft tell people about state-sponsored attacks that Microsoft itself is aiding? :-) | Dec 31 14:26 |
| r_schestowitz | I thought about doing an article about it, maybe this weekend... | Dec 31 14:26 |
| XFaCE | [14:26:14]<r_schestowitz> will Microsoft tell people about state-sponsored attacks that Microsoft itself is aiding? :-) | Dec 31 14:28 |
| XFaCE | that's was my point exactly | Dec 31 14:28 |
| XFaCE | more marketing shams from Microsoft | Dec 31 14:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I put it in my drafts | Dec 31 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | I wasn't sure if there was much to add/say, but I think a short post might do | Dec 31 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | is this widespread in the news? | Dec 31 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | given that it's holiday? | Dec 31 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | if it becomes widespread, then responding becomes more important. I hardly follow MSFT news anymore. | Dec 31 14:29 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5270352/famous-hacker-barnaby-jacks-death-was-a-drug-overdose | Dec 31 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Famous hacker Barnaby Jack's death ruled a drug overdose | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/odbbi ] | Dec 31 14:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | The San Francisco medical examiner's office has ruled that the sudden death of the well-known hacker Barnaby Jack at the age of 36 was due to an accidental overdose from combining heroin, cocaine, Xanax, and Benadryl. | Dec 31 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Jack was an ingenious programmer from New Zealand best known for making an ATM spit out bills and figuring out how to wirelessly hack into medical devices, including a pacemaker and an insulin pump. He was scheduled to give a talk on the latter last year at the security conference Black Hat, where hackers present their exploits in order to make the public aware of cybersecurity vulnerabilities. His talk was one of the most anticipated at | Dec 31 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | the convention, but he died six days before he was supposed to give it, on July 25th of last year. | Dec 31 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Now I remember that case | Dec 31 14:33 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/682619068483039232 | Dec 31 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So? Blame lack of culture. When Shakespeare spoke of Westmoreland he referred to the duke. | Dec 31 14:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682638944111095809 | Dec 31 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Researcher criticises 'weak' crypto in Internet of Things alarm system @schestowitz https://t.co/1tE5ux0UWR | Dec 31 14:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Researcher criticises 'weak' crypto in Internet of Things alarm system • The Register | Dec 31 14:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @HRBAUK @tuxmachines thanks for sharing tuxmachines, | Dec 31 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have a great Thursday :) (insight by | Dec 31 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gUZpyK4MbW) (commun.it) | Dec 31 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odbct | Dec 31 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commun.it | Twitter Community Management Dashboard | Twitter Marketing Tool | Commun.it | Dec 31 14:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Week in Techrights https://t.co/ouelSx5FAl | Dec 31 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 14:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odbcu | Dec 31 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Dec 31 14:48 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you might find this interesting | Dec 31 15:06 |
| cubexyz | I have one Fedora 14 machine... I don't use it very much | Dec 31 15:06 |
| cubexyz | so recently I wanted to install ksensors and old KDE 3 program | Dec 31 15:07 |
| cubexyz | it turns out Fedora 14 actually has a package for ksensors | Dec 31 15:07 |
| cubexyz | it ended up pulling in a bunch of KDE 3.5 stuff | Dec 31 15:08 |
| cubexyz | anyways, the end result is I think I can run KDE 3.5.10 stuff on Fedora 14 now | Dec 31 15:08 |
| MinceR | interesting | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | then again, 14 was still gnu/linux | Dec 31 15:09 |
| cubexyz | the last one I think | Dec 31 15:09 |
| cubexyz | guess I'll keep it around :) | Dec 31 15:09 |
| cubexyz | although it does have upstart instead of init | Dec 31 15:11 |
| MinceR | systemd makes upstart look good | Dec 31 15:19 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately ksensors is a bit of a hash job | Dec 31 15:22 |
| cubexyz | I'm still reworking KDE 3.5.10 stuff a lot | Dec 31 15:23 |
| cubexyz | there was karbon, I don't even remember what it does now | Dec 31 15:28 |
| cubexyz | the main additions I can remember were: krubik, krename, kalgebra and krusader | Dec 31 15:29 |
| cubexyz | there were a few other ones... abakus | Dec 31 15:30 |
| MinceR | karbon14? wasn't that a vector graphics editor? | Dec 31 15:35 |
| cubexyz | all I remember is that it used to be part of koffice | Dec 31 15:36 |
| cubexyz | you're probably right | Dec 31 15:36 |
| cubexyz | and f14 even has a package for it | Dec 31 15:38 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I did some thinking and the Times Square sphere is really an octahedron but with several iterations of triangular tesslations: | Dec 31 16:11 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/sphere_files/csphere.png | Dec 31 16:11 |
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| cubexyz | the times square one actually has more triangles on it | Dec 31 16:11 |
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| cubexyz | here's a pic of the 2011 version: | Dec 31 16:17 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg | Dec 31 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://cubeman.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg ) | Dec 31 16:17 | |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: That second one really is 404. | Dec 31 16:20 |
| cubexyz | weird | Dec 31 16:21 |
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| msb__ | I can't look at the parent directory, but I'm sure you can. | Dec 31 16:26 |
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| cubexyz | ok ok ok | Dec 31 16:36 |
| cubexyz | wrong domain :) | Dec 31 16:36 |
| cubexyz | http://maxhost.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg | Dec 31 16:36 |
| msb__ | Nice! | Dec 31 16:37 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/spock-using-sliderule.jpg | Dec 31 16:43 |
| msb__ | What's the white thing? Instructions? | Dec 31 16:44 |
| cubexyz | I think it's an old flight computer | Dec 31 16:45 |
| cubexyz | E6-B | Dec 31 16:45 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E6B | Dec 31 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | E6B - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 31 16:46 | |
| cubexyz | spock uses it in 3 episodes :) | Dec 31 16:48 |
| msb__ | I don't remember that. Does it work for warp, too? | Dec 31 16:50 |
| cubexyz | the prop guy probably thought it looked futuristic enough for the show | Dec 31 16:51 |
| cubexyz | it can calculate fuel burn, but I doubt it calculates dithium crystal usage :) | Dec 31 16:52 |
| cubexyz | dilithium | Dec 31 16:53 |
| cubexyz | Matt Jefferies was a pilot, so was Roddenberry | Dec 31 16:54 |
| msb__ | what fuel did they use? | Dec 31 16:54 |
| msb__ | Did they keep the matter and antimatter in the two separate nacelles? | Dec 31 16:56 |
| cubexyz | good question | Dec 31 16:56 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think they ever explained it | Dec 31 16:56 |
| cubexyz | I think it would have been anti-hydrogen | Dec 31 16:56 |
| msb__ | The matter was just old orange peels and coffee grounds, but where did they get the antimatter? | Dec 31 16:56 |
| cubexyz | and I seem to remember something about deuterium | Dec 31 16:57 |
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| cubexyz | all techno-babble of course | Dec 31 16:58 |
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| msb__ | The dilithium crystals seemed to be a catalyst. | Dec 31 16:58 |
| cubexyz | within the context of the show the dilithium crystals regulated the matter/anti-matter reaction | Dec 31 17:00 |
| msb__ | I love the movie where the Borg chase them through a wormhole and they help the inventor of warp drive to launch the first one. | Dec 31 17:00 |
| msb__ | In Bozeman, Montana | Dec 31 17:01 |
| msb__ | And it's made out of an old ICBM | Dec 31 17:02 |
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| msb__ | First Contact | Dec 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | whatapp is down | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | good time to convince people to dump this facebook-owned crap | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and maybe adopt some FOSS messengers | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | preferably with crypto, end to end | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/682589113556582401 | Dec 31 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Keep up the great work on EPO oissues in 2016! I'll still be blogging about a few select topics, sporadically including EPO | Dec 31 17:19 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Dec 31 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odb08 ] | Dec 31 17:35 | |
| msb__ | On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident. Age 55. | Dec 31 17:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't believe the hype: That GRUB backspace bug | Dec 31 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | wasn't a big deal https://t.co/I7cCsGhXo9 | Dec 31 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc0t | Dec 31 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Don't believe the hype: That GRUB backspace bug wasn't a big deal | Tux Machines | Dec 31 18:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15.12 released | Dec 31 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/W9qrAtbS0b (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc0u | Dec 31 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Calculate Linux 15.12 released | Tux Machines | Dec 31 18:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | happy new year all (GMT) | Dec 31 19:22 |
| MinceR | hny | Dec 31 19:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ekVScwF.png | Dec 31 19:25 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXl8J_iWYAABxii.jpg | Dec 31 19:29 |
| cubexyz | ha | Dec 31 19:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/too-much-to-think.jpg | Dec 31 19:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 31 19:37 |
| MinceR | "Thought begets Heresy; Heresy begets Retribution." | Dec 31 19:39 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/thankfully-1984-did-not-happen-oh-no-windows-10.jpg | Dec 31 19:41 |
| MinceR | "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." | Dec 31 19:42 |
| MinceR | "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt" | Dec 31 19:42 |
| cubexyz | https://www.transcend.org/tms/2015/08/when-surveillance-is-a-feature-not-a-bug/ | Dec 31 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.transcend.org | TRANSCEND MEDIA SERVICE » When Surveillance Is a Feature, Not a Bug [ http://ur1.ca/odc7j ] | Dec 31 19:43 | |
| cubexyz | thankfully I'm safe from windows 10 | Dec 31 19:44 |
| cubexyz | my computers are too old to run it :) | Dec 31 19:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 31 19:44 |
| cubexyz | I actually don't feel forced to use any of the windows operating systems | Dec 31 19:47 |
| cubexyz | if I had more time I might poke through the NT 4.0 or win2k source | Dec 31 19:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ringing in 2016 with 64 open-spec, hacker | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | friendly SBCs https://t.co/sHlA04ULXh | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc9b | Dec 31 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ringing in 2016 with 64 open-spec, hacker friendly SBCs | Tux Machines | Dec 31 19:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fy7cvJ7W47 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc9c | Dec 31 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Tux Machines | Dec 31 19:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Activates The Speaker https://t.co/zYUFJx1QLC | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc9d | Dec 31 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally Activates The Speaker | Tux Machines | Dec 31 19:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Dec 31 20:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odccj | Dec 31 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 31 20:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Ends The Year At 20.8 Million | Dec 31 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lines https://t.co/wTWxJPFSUH | Dec 31 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Dec 31 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odcck | Dec 31 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux Kernel Ends The Year At 20.8 Million Lines - Phoronix | Dec 31 20:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Week in Techrights https://t.co/ouelSx5FAl | Dec 31 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Dec 31 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odcct | Dec 31 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Dec 31 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Dec 31 20:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Dec 31 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being | Dec 31 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally | Dec 31 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Activates The Speaker https://t.co/T3d1hwXXs1 | Dec 31 20:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Jan 01 03:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2NRLVZzX8M (www.linuxplanet.com) | Jan 01 03:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oddbm | Jan 01 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplanet.com | 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Jan 01 03:52 | |
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| EPO | A happy 2016 to you and your editorial team! Thanks for publishing our thoughts about the EPO. | Jan 01 04:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MARS Replication System Still Worked On For | Jan 01 05:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Upstream Linux Kernel https://t.co/oLclAG6HI8 | Jan 01 05:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | MARS Replication System Still Being Worked On For Upstream Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jan 01 05:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CalculateLinux 15.12 released | Jan 01 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KtwAdggupW | Jan 01 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.calculate-linux.org) via #distrowatch and | Jan 01 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/haXArPVt20 (www.phoronix.com) | Jan 01 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oddi6 | Jan 01 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calculate-linux.org | Calculate Linux 15.12 released - Planet Calculate | Jan 01 05:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Calculate Linux 15.12 Released With Various Changes, Now Supports AMDGPU - Phoronix | Jan 01 05:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sunken, a hardcore action RPG with random | Jan 01 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | monsters and loot now on Linux | Jan 01 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XZmomnVMG4 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jan 01 05:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Sunken, a hardcore action RPG with random monsters and loot now on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Jan 01 05:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alienware's Steam Machine Is An Interesting | Jan 01 06:11 |
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| oiaohm | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39339.html Hmmm | Jan 01 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The current state of boot security | Jan 01 08:46 | |
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| MinceR | security theater | Jan 01 10:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if it was just theater it would be one thing. | Jan 01 11:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's also a war on the general purpose computer | Jan 01 11:04 |
| MinceR | "let microsoft decide what code gets to run on 'your' 'computer' so you'll be secure!" | Jan 01 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Sorry you have not watched the videos. | Jan 01 11:06 |
| oiaohm | One of the reasons why Microsoft Windows is lower rated is the fact it signing keys are so univeral. | Jan 01 11:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm not going to waste all my life on watching propaganda | Jan 01 11:07 |
| MinceR | this does make crApple's crap quality no warranty hardware seem more inviting, though | Jan 01 11:09 |
| MinceR | and just like you, Garrett can't see the elephant in the room either | Jan 01 11:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct you are missing the elephant as well. | Jan 01 11:16 |
| oiaohm | The issue is not Microsoft. | Jan 01 11:17 |
| MinceR | the issue i'm referring to is that despite all this wanking with uefi, restricted boot and treacherous computing, physical access still lets an attacker own your computer | Jan 01 11:19 |
| MinceR | just like DRM, it only punishes competitors in the IT industry and typical users | Jan 01 11:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: "Now, to be fair, there's attacks that even Windows and properly configured Linux will still be vulnerable to. Firmware defects that permit modification of System Management Mode code can still be used to circumvent these protections, and the Management Engine is in a position to just do whatever it wants and fuck all of you. " | Jan 01 11:21 |
| oiaohm | did you miss that in the link I gave. | Jan 01 11:21 |
| MinceR | did you miss all the propaganda in favor of uefi and treacherous computing in the link you have? | Jan 01 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft does not set what runs in the management engine. | Jan 01 11:22 |
| MinceR | s/hav/gav/ | Jan 01 11:22 |
| oiaohm | UEFI and TPM stuff does not start at Microsoft. | Jan 01 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Intel made the black box of Management Engine mode. | Jan 01 11:25 |
| MinceR | yet redhat and canonical went to m$ for permission to run their systems on uefi | Jan 01 11:26 |
| MinceR | somehow | Jan 01 11:26 |
| oiaohm | That was not in fact caused by Microsoft. | Jan 01 11:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you are completely missing the trouble. | Jan 01 11:27 |
| oiaohm | ODMs decided to implment limited PK settings and KEK settings. Not at Microsoft request. | Jan 01 11:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if was the ODMs that went to Microsoft and asked Microsoft to be the master signer. | Jan 01 11:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in fact it was the ODMs that choose todo that. | Jan 01 11:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the fact that m$ controls the ODMs by setting the price at which they sell winblows licenses to the ODMs | Jan 01 11:30 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't want you to care about that | Jan 01 11:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in fact ODM's wanted worse and Microsoft did not go along. | Jan 01 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Like systems that only accept OS disks made by the ODM. | Jan 01 11:31 |
| MinceR | by the way, how much arguing do you expect to make a "computer" you're locked out of to change its mind and let you run code you want to? | Jan 01 11:31 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: to correct the level of lock has reduced. | Jan 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember early UEFI motherboards you cannot change the PK or the KEK set in it. | Jan 01 11:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so since the only KEK set is Microsoft you are kinda required to deal with Microsoft to support those boards. | Jan 01 11:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: worse is Microsoft cannot update there KEK if it gets comprosied either. | Jan 01 11:35 |
| MinceR | and with every winblows version they pull the lock tighter | Jan 01 11:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is not the direction it going. | Jan 01 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Because if it was tighter why can we change the PK and KEK now on newer boards when we could not do that on older boards. | Jan 01 11:36 |
| MinceR | they could get away with it on ARM so they already locked ARM winblows devices down | Jan 01 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Newer arm in fact not the case. | Jan 01 11:36 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem nothing you are saying is lining up to the facts MinceR | Jan 01 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Of course I am not saying that we should back off presure to get more rights. | Jan 01 11:37 |
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| MinceR | remember the amount of pressure that was necessary to temporarily keep them from making restricted boot mandatory on x86 | Jan 01 11:38 |
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| oiaohm | Yet ODMs and Intel has still managed to get mandorary firmware signing in hardware embedded. | Jan 01 11:41 |
| MinceR | is that why the requirement to do so was in m$'s winblows logo requirements? | Jan 01 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jan 01 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft logo requirement does not mandate writing the signing keys into fuses. | Jan 01 11:42 |
| oiaohm | ODM's like the idea of having absolute control of the firmware. | Jan 01 11:42 |
| MinceR | tell me more about how m$ doesn't like having absolute control | Jan 01 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember ODM's are the ones who have come up with that if you change OS version that warnaty is void. | Jan 01 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Heck even install Windows updates result is voided. | Jan 01 11:44 |
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| MinceR | remember m$ was the main promoter of uefi and tc | Jan 01 11:44 |
| MinceR | still is | Jan 01 11:45 |
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| oiaohm | Not exactly so. | Jan 01 11:45 |
| MinceR | they're advertising those as if they, together with winblows, could guarantee your security | Jan 01 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Most of the advertising that has Microsoft branding on was in fact paid for by the ODMs. | Jan 01 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Nice bit of false flag. | Jan 01 11:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6939168 | Jan 01 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #murdock kept complaining SF #police exceptionally "uneducated". Surely they didn't know #debian - probably use MS Word for SHOPPING LIST! | Jan 01 11:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "If you could gather all sources and write a full fledged article it would be great. We are all hearing bits and pieces while nothing concrete is reported. Somehow everytime I see another post about him I want to get to the bottom of this story. :(" | Jan 01 11:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I'm planning to write about this when I get some missing bits. I know how to respond to the police report, but cause of death still an unknown. | Jan 01 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Really MinceR the amount of advertising Microsoft has done over UEFI and TC is quite min. ODM's really want to keep attention away from the fact that for as long as x86 has existed they have not be fixing security faults in firmware in a timely manager. | Jan 01 11:50 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrrzHjPC9p8 | Jan 01 11:50 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: is that why m$ requires uefi? | Jan 01 11:50 |
| MinceR | for winblows | Jan 01 11:51 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6939079 | Jan 01 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So far, based on reports, #sony has not been dumb enough (unlike before) to threaten lawsuits over #gnu #linux on PS http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2497306,00.asp | Jan 01 11:51 | |
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| r_schestowitz | "When Sony finds out that this allows you to break the DRM and play copied games it will start to sue." | Jan 01 11:51 |
| r_schestowitz | "How would they have grounds to sue? Surely it’s in everyone’s right to install a different OS." | Jan 01 11:51 |
| MinceR | looks like that right is being revoked | Jan 01 11:51 |
| r_schestowitz | a long time ago | Jan 01 11:52 |
| r_schestowitz | though it can help Sony claim more "sales" | Jan 01 11:52 |
| r_schestowitz | and market that to game devs | Jan 01 11:53 |
| r_schestowitz | as they did in the early days of PS3, 2007 IIRC, maybe 2006 | Jan 01 11:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Interesting enough secure boot in uefi starts by intel and ODM before Microsoft even gets the idea of adding it to their requirements list. | Jan 01 11:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember what I said if ODM had their way you would have to use like Dell/hp copy of Windows or it would not boot on Dell/Hp hardware. | Jan 01 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Same with any other OS you wanted to run. | Jan 01 11:56 |
| MinceR | and if m$ had their way you would have to use windows or your "computer" would not boot | Jan 01 11:56 |
| oiaohm | In fact no when Microsoft rejected that idea that allowed other parties to sign bootloaders using their keys. | Jan 01 11:56 |
| oiaohm | On the idea that systems could boot then change keys to the keys user wanted. | Jan 01 11:57 |
| MinceR | for a while | Jan 01 11:57 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682968663956258817 | Jan 01 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Women are usually easier to scare | Jan 01 11:57 | |
| MinceR | just until people accept restricted boot | Jan 01 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft wants to sell as much volume of software as possible. | Jan 01 11:58 |
| MinceR | they might even stage a false flag malware attack for your entertainment and as the excuse to close the final lock | Jan 01 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Not being able to update firmware keys could equal not being able to sell upgrades. | Jan 01 11:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, and apparently forcing computer users to buy their crap is the way | Jan 01 11:58 |
| oiaohm | So cut into Microsoft bottom line. | Jan 01 11:58 |
| MinceR | they can't make software good enough to buy | Jan 01 11:58 |
| MinceR | and neither can red hat | Jan 01 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have 1 motivation hardware companies have another. | Jan 01 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Of course software companies want to sell upgrades of software. Hardware companies want to sell upgrades of hardware. | Jan 01 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Guess what one will want to lock the firmware down the worse. | Jan 01 11:59 |
| MinceR | either way, the users lose | Jan 01 12:00 |
| MinceR | and the citizens lose | Jan 01 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Hardware companies blocking software updating allows forcing users to buy new motherboards and so on. | Jan 01 12:01 |
| oiaohm | So the worst for citizens is the hardware companies. | Jan 01 12:01 |
| msb__ | FOSS companies are motivated by public service (unless they're corrupted by systemd). | Jan 01 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have a reason to allow items like signing key changing. | Jan 01 12:01 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure for-profit companies are motivated by profit | Jan 01 12:01 |
| MinceR | but making good products is a way to achieve that | Jan 01 12:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correct motivation by profit. | Jan 01 12:01 |
| MinceR | it's just not something m$, crApple and redcrap are capable of | Jan 01 12:02 |
| oiaohm | But software and hardware companies have different motivations to make the most profit. | Jan 01 12:02 |
| MinceR | also, taking over the government is a more certain position to get all the profit you want | Jan 01 12:02 |
| oiaohm | The worse for consumer is hardware companies having 100 percent their ways. | Jan 01 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember Microsoft and Redhat make very little hardware over all. | Jan 01 12:03 |
| MinceR | m$ is content to force their software on every bit of hardware out there | Jan 01 12:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also remember a software company cannot exist without hardware. | Jan 01 12:04 |
| MinceR | and redhat is content to be m$'s patsy | Jan 01 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Again you keep on thinking the problem is Microsoft. | Jan 01 12:04 |
| MinceR | that would probably because the problem is microsoft | Jan 01 12:05 |
| MinceR | s/ly/& be/ | Jan 01 12:05 |
| oiaohm | is not ODM with WIndows 7 refusing to support Windows 7 computers after the first application installed or update did not tell you something. | Jan 01 12:05 |
| MinceR | apparently you haven't read the m$ internal email about punishing dHell and other ODMs for offering GNU/Linux to customers | Jan 01 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Remember before Windows 7 microsoft was able to mandate in system builder contracts that ODM's did provide support. | Jan 01 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes I remember about that email MinceR but that is history. | Jan 01 12:06 |
| oiaohm | As soon as ODM managed to get Microsoft in court over those charging setups and win they have started pushing their own objectives. | Jan 01 12:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes they won just before the Windows 7 system builder contract from Microsoft had to be agreed to. | Jan 01 12:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the playing field has shifted in a big way. | Jan 01 12:08 |
| MinceR | tell us more about how m$ totally changed | Jan 01 12:09 |
| MinceR | they "love linux" now, don't they? | Jan 01 12:09 |
| oiaohm | I have not said that Microsoft has totally changed. | Jan 01 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft saying they love linux think when that happened. MinceR | Jan 01 12:09 |
| MinceR | and yes, court decisions had so much effect on m$ | Jan 01 12:09 |
| MinceR | that's why vista10 sets your default browser to ie and hides the UI for changing it back, right? | Jan 01 12:10 |
| MinceR | that's why all versions of winblows still come bundled with ie and wmp, right? | Jan 01 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Not all versions. | Jan 01 12:10 |
| MinceR | yeah, they had 2 boxed versions at the same price _once_ | Jan 01 12:11 |
| MinceR | of xp | Jan 01 12:11 |
| MinceR | none of the vista releases | Jan 01 12:11 |
| MinceR | nothing preloaded, ever | Jan 01 12:11 |
| MinceR | (also known as what actually gets sold) | Jan 01 12:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/media-player-is-missing-in-windows-10/5a66f236-0a86-4cb1-be83-dda144ea969b?auth=1 | Jan 01 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Media Player is missing in Windows 10. - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/odedc ] | Jan 01 12:12 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: out the box Windows 10 has no wmp. | Jan 01 12:12 |
| MinceR | i'm sure this is because of the EU decision that bans tying it to ie | Jan 01 12:12 |
| oiaohm | No | Jan 01 12:12 |
| MinceR | which is why it also has no ie, right? | Jan 01 12:12 |
| oiaohm | wrong | Jan 01 12:12 |
| MinceR | so much for the amusing idea of m$ having changed | Jan 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | WMP is missing because ODM have stopped paying patent pools for codecs for Microsoft. | Jan 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | So now Microsoft has to pay that. | Jan 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: things are not changing in Microsoft favour at all. | Jan 01 12:14 |
| MinceR | is that why non-m$ OS-es are more difficult to install on the latest "pc"-s than ever? | Jan 01 12:15 |
| MinceR | is that why redhat and canonical paid m$ for the privilege of letting users run their OS-es, for a while? | Jan 01 12:16 |
| MinceR | the actual change that's not in m$'s favor is that locked-down mobile devices that don't run winblows outsell anything that runs winblows | Jan 01 12:16 |
| MinceR | that's not much of an improvement in terms of letting the users choose what OS to install on their devices | Jan 01 12:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: You do strike server boards with only SUSE signing keys and no Microsoft keys. | Jan 01 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Why the ODM sold it as a SUSE Linux server board. | Jan 01 12:18 |
| MinceR | do you remember why suse failed and had to be bought by attackmate? | Jan 01 12:19 |
| oiaohm | And will not provide any support if you put any thing else include Windows/non suse Linux/BSD on it. | Jan 01 12:19 |
| MinceR | being on this channel, you should be aware who suse were | Jan 01 12:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/16/attachmate_micro_focus_merger/ | Jan 01 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/odeea ] | Jan 01 12:20 | |
| MinceR | suse was trying to destroy gnu/linux before redhat tried | Jan 01 12:20 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't be surprised if Roy found a link between this micro focus and m$ | Jan 01 12:22 |
| MinceR | just as there was one between attackmate and m$ | Jan 01 12:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www-304.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/solutiondetails.do?&solution=48035&lc=en | Jan 01 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-304.ibm.com | IBM - Micro Focus Enterprise Developer [ http://ur1.ca/odeek ] | Jan 01 12:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong direction completely. | Jan 01 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Micro Focus makes visual cobol for old school mainframe applications. | Jan 01 12:25 |
| MinceR | attachmate also targeted mainframes, afaict | Jan 01 12:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.attachmate.com/products/ really????? | Jan 01 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.attachmate.com | Products A-Z | Micro Focus | Jan 01 12:29 | |
| oiaohm | attachmate made software mostly to allow Windows to connect to Mainframes. | Jan 01 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Where Micro Focus has mostly made software to write and run applications on Mainframes. | Jan 01 12:30 |
| MinceR | can you see a connection there? | Jan 01 12:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: android and ipad software in the attachmate line appears after Micro Focus takes over. | Jan 01 12:34 |
| MinceR | and m$ already targeted those platforms too | Jan 01 12:35 |
| MinceR | they practically have their own android fork, cyanogen | Jan 01 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Attachment objective was to make Migration to Windows servers simpler by the products they made. | Jan 01 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Micro Focus make migration the other way to Linux and Unix simpler. | Jan 01 12:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the ground always changing. | Jan 01 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Attachment was setup and started by Microsoft people. Micro Focus comes out of Unix Borland... fairly much everyone who has decided to fight with Microsoft and lost that Microsoft has not managed to aquire. | Jan 01 12:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically a lot of things not going in Microsoft favor | Jan 01 12:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://copperhead.co/android/ Also this appeared very quickly after the cyanogen Microsoft deal. | Jan 01 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://copperhead.co/android/ ) | Jan 01 12:45 | |
| MinceR | so? | Jan 01 12:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also cyanogen lost a lot of ODM deals as well. | Jan 01 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Dealing with Microsoft ODMs hate in the first place. | Jan 01 12:49 |
| MinceR | shouldn't be surprising after what they did to OnePlus | Jan 01 12:49 |
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| r_schestowitz | [17:22] <MinceR> i wouldn't be surprised if Roy found a link between this micro focus and m$ | Jan 01 13:18 |
| r_schestowitz | No strong link | Jan 01 13:18 |
| r_schestowitz | [17:20] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/odeea ] | Jan 01 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register | Jan 01 13:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | Novell alone used to be worth more than this | Jan 01 13:19 |
| r_schestowitz | What happens to SUSE today?\ | Jan 01 13:20 |
| r_schestowitz | The MS deal expired today | Jan 01 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: New snapshot came to Tumbleweed. | Jan 01 13:20 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Jan 01 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | but it's not related to the MS deal | Jan 01 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | !google suse microsoft deal 2016 | Jan 01 13:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement ... | https://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html | Jan 01 13:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft kicks SUSE another $100m • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/25/microsoft_suse_deal_renewed/ | Jan 01 13:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Ubuntu, Microsoft & SUSE (Bermuda) Triangle | FOSS Force | http://fossforce.com/2015/03/the-ubuntu-microsoft-suse-bermuda-triangle/ | Jan 01 13:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/ | Jan 01 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | see [1] | Jan 01 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | and [2] | Jan 01 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | "The new $100m deal runs through January 2016." | Jan 01 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | doesn't seem to have much to do with patents anymore | Jan 01 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | more like 'marketing help' | Jan 01 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | helping to push SUSE | Jan 01 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "(The net cost to Attachmate was less than half of that, however, thanks to the cash Novell had on hand and another $450m that a consortium led by Microsoft paid for 880 of Novell's patents.)" | Jan 01 13:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Didn't know it was LED by MSFT | Jan 01 13:23 |
| r_schestowitz | That's new to me | Jan 01 13:23 |
| r_schestowitz | the press release does not mention patents | Jan 01 13:24 |
| r_schestowitz | so there might not be any serious impact to the expiration | Jan 01 13:24 |
| r_schestowitz | other than SUSE losing the preferential treatment from MSFT | Jan 01 13:24 |
| r_schestowitz | "Although it was not obvious at the time, Microsoft didn't just give away SUSE Linux licenses for free, but rather charged customers for the SLES support licenses. "They're competitively priced, they are not just handed out to the customer for free," explains Frank Rego, senior product manager at SUSE, the Linux division that was carved out separately from the rest of Novell after Attachmate took control of it back in April." | Jan 01 13:25 |
| r_schestowitz | I think I'll just leave that for now | Jan 01 13:25 |
| r_schestowitz | the only angle worth exploring it was already explored by Sam varghese | Jan 01 13:25 |
| r_schestowitz | !google Sam varghese suse 2016 novell | Jan 01 13:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - iTWire - With Microsoft and Red Hat in bed, what happens to SUSE? | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/70213-with-microsoft-and-red-hat-in-bed-what-happens-to-suse | Jan 01 13:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - iTWire - Microsoft unwilling to comment on extension of SUSE deal | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/70279-microsoft-unwilling-to-comment-on-extension-of-suse-deal | Jan 01 13:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - iTWire - SUSE has plans to increase staffing | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/67082-suse-has-plans-to-increase-staffing | Jan 01 13:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Boycotting Micro Focus International | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2014/11/23/boycott-micro-focus/ | Jan 01 13:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/682990454720221184 | Jan 01 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mmasnick: @schestowitz @wendycockcroft @TimCushing @techdirt not nearly enough is known to write anything | Jan 01 13:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | Exactly what I said... | Jan 01 13:32 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/682992842759888897 | Jan 01 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @byoblu @reportrai3 @Serv_Pubblico @LaGabbiaTw @wallstreetita @fattoquotidiano @ilgiornale @POLITICOEurope https://t.co/Gqtw9d8VGN | Jan 01 13:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Meeting the EPO's PR Team and Learning Its Dirty Tricks https://t.co/skAL6kkpqg #epo #patents | Jan 01 13:33 | |
| msb__ | Since Suse has adopted systemd it's useless garbage anyhow. | Jan 01 13:37 |
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| r_schestowitz | not just suse | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | same with *buntus and I assume debian | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | because I dumped kde | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | and still see the same symptoms | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | just less weight induced by KDE, but still laggy, weird | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | so it must be something new, added after 2013 | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | the 2013 releases still worked well | Jan 01 13:40 |
| r_schestowitz | now it's worse than ever, even on this decent hardware | Jan 01 13:41 |
| r_schestowitz | but not sure how to prove it systemd's fault (IF it is) | Jan 01 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: Tell what's wrong exactly. | Jan 01 13:41 |
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| XRevan86 | pff | Jan 01 13:41 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What is wrong exactly? | Jan 01 13:42 |
| schestowitz | with novell? | Jan 01 13:46 |
| schestowitz | suse? | Jan 01 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: With Ubuntu + GNOME. | Jan 01 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You were saying about symptoms. | Jan 01 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | some symptoms I noticed: | Jan 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | kdm or other [X]dm a bit unreliable | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | desktop shows up after applications show up | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | startup slower | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | (overall) | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | sometimes applications take a long time to show up | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | even small applications | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | very long lag | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | moving windows around, esp. in kwin was poor non-performant | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | but might be a KDE issue | Jan 01 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What GPU do you have? | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | ARI Radeon | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | ATI | Jan 01 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | AMD* | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | owned by AMD, yes, but they still used the ATI brand at the time, as they had promised | Jan 01 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: With fglrx? | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | not sure | Jan 01 14:03 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There are three drivers out there: radeon, amdgpu and fglrx (catalyst) | Jan 01 14:04 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: radeon is the Mesa's driver that is there for a while, fglrx is the "blob" from AMD, and amdgpu is a FOSS development from AMD. | Jan 01 14:05 |
| MinceR | suse was useless garbage even before it adopted systemd | Jan 01 14:05 |
| MinceR | it was the worst distro before fedora 15 came out | Jan 01 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't really know the drill about all that though. | Jan 01 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | Still, if your videoadapter is new, xf86-video-radeon might not support 3D for it. | Jan 01 14:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: suse was great before it adopted systemd. What are you talking about? | Jan 01 14:07 |
| MinceR | for example, opensuse's netinstall attempt | Jan 01 14:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: … works | Jan 01 14:07 |
| MinceR | which had the user type in the ip address of their ftp server and the path on it | Jan 01 14:07 |
| MinceR | it makes it pretty obvious that they didn't care even back then | Jan 01 14:08 |
| MinceR | obtaining missing packages for SLES/SLED was also a pain in the ass | Jan 01 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | > desktop shows up after applications show up | Jan 01 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | Well, that's all in session's domain. | Jan 01 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | maybe it's the same issue as "sometimes applications take a long time to show up" | Jan 01 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | (maybe gnome-shell and plasma are affected) | Jan 01 14:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: so you're saying that a few seconds of typing made it "useless garbage"? | Jan 01 14:10 |
| MinceR | i'm saying that they didn't even care enough to put that info on their netinstall image | Jan 01 14:10 |
| MinceR | or to resolve a domain name | Jan 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | it's not likely reducible to just a GPU issue | Jan 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | see above some of the symptoms | Jan 01 14:11 |
| MinceR | there was also the keyboard repeat issue after the install | Jan 01 14:11 |
| msb__ | You're an idiot. | Jan 01 14:11 |
| MinceR | no, you're an idiot | Jan 01 14:11 |
| schestowitz | the kwin slowness is eliminated mostly by dropping kwin/composite | Jan 01 14:11 |
| MinceR | but hey, if that level of quality is "stable" to you, have fun with lendows | Jan 01 14:11 |
| msb__ | Now you're totally lying. | Jan 01 14:11 |
| schestowitz | suse was good before ubuntu | Jan 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | then ubuntu became better in almost every way | Jan 01 14:12 |
| MinceR | afaict it was never good | Jan 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | and later came ubuntu derivs with other DEs, like SUSE | Jan 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | yast2 was good | Jan 01 14:12 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You and oiaohm deserve each other. | Jan 01 14:12 |
| MinceR | i don't think suse was an ubuntu derivative | Jan 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | and there were other suse tools which gave it an edge | Jan 01 14:12 |
| MinceR | seeing how it uses rpm and zypper | Jan 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | it's not, I didn't say it was | Jan 01 14:12 |
| MinceR | msb__: you deserve *suse and lendows | Jan 01 14:13 |
| msb__ | yast2 was great, the community was very helpful, and the distro was very well maintained. | Jan 01 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Are you on GNOME now? | Jan 01 14:14 |
| schestowitz | no, plain openbox | Jan 01 14:14 |
| schestowitz | no docks/panels | Jan 01 14:14 |
| schestowitz | wallpaper with feh | Jan 01 14:14 |
| MinceR | yeah, it was so well maintained they couldn't even be bothered to do a call to gethostbyname() | Jan 01 14:15 |
| MinceR | thankfully i didn't have to do much with *suse | Jan 01 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log | Jan 01 14:15 |
| MinceR | then came the novell deal, then came systemd | Jan 01 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | what: radeon, amdgpu or fglrx? | Jan 01 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | or vesa? :) | Jan 01 14:16 |
| msb__ | I just downloaded the DVD ISO. The novell deal didn't hurt anything. | Jan 01 14:16 |
| MinceR | except gnu/linux, and the FLOSS community | Jan 01 14:16 |
| MinceR | but who cares about those? | Jan 01 14:17 |
| msb__ | It had no actual effect. You are just lying. | Jan 01 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | Now there's no Novell and patents are in Microsoft's hands. | Jan 01 14:20 |
| msb__ | But microshit never did any actual patent attacks, did it? | Jan 01 14:21 |
| MinceR | they did FUD and they threatened, maybe also sued android device makers over linux | Jan 01 14:21 |
| MinceR | i think TR covers all that pretty well | Jan 01 14:22 |
| schestowitz | http://perens.com/blog/2015/12/31/ian-murdock-dead/ | Jan 01 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | Ian Murdock dead | Bruce Perens [ http://ur1.ca/odeq9 ] | Jan 01 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: CPTN | Jan 01 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about this tomorrow | Jan 01 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Wrong highlight? :) | Jan 01 14:25 |
| msb__ | In any case the opensuse maintainers did very well, and could not be held responsible for anything the shit corporate owners did. Until systemd. | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | To those of you who blame the police he encountered twice before his suicide: not this time. Ian died a victim of mental illness. | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | It’s horrible that such a genius, someone who did so much good, should have such a meaningless, unfair, undignified death. | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <XRevan86> Now there's no Novell and patents are in Microsoft's hands. | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: not wrong | Jan 01 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: In Microsoft's proxy hands? | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | unless you're schizo ;-) | Jan 01 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | (22:20:33) msb__: But microshit never did any actual patent attacks, did it? | Jan 01 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I thought it's an answer to | Jan 01 14:26 |
| msb__ | What police say can _never_ be trusted. | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does attack with patents | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell fueled their attacks | Jan 01 14:27 |
| schestowitz | !google novell intellectual property peace of mind | Jan 01 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Microsoft-Novell Linux deal: Two years later | InfoWorld | http://www.infoworld.com/article/2654097/linux/the-microsoft-novell-linux-deal--two-years-later.html | Jan 01 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Touts Novell Interop Benefits -- Redmondmag.com | https://redmondmag.com/articles/2010/06/21/microsoft-cites-success-of-novell-linux-interop-deal.aspx | Jan 01 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft makes Linux pact with Novell - CNET | http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-makes-linux-pact-with-novell/ | Jan 01 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Intellectual Property Expansion | News Center | http://news.microsoft.com/2004/11/10/microsoft-intellectual-property-expansion/ | Jan 01 14:27 |
| msb__ | I'm not justifying anything that novell or microshit did. I'm saying that before systemd opensuse was an excellent distro - easy to use, and easy to get help for. | Jan 01 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: I can as well say that didn't change. | Jan 01 14:28 |
| MinceR | yes, and anyone who had issues with *suse is "lying" and is an "idiot" | Jan 01 14:29 |
| MinceR | apparently | Jan 01 14:29 |
| msb__ | systemd is 36 megabytes of incomprehensible source code, and people are reporting all sorts of problems with it. It ruined the simple structure of Linux. | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | 36 megs? | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | data files included? | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | or just sources? | Jan 01 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Data files included. | Jan 01 14:31 |
| schestowitz | "Yet Corel and Microsoft are wasting all sorts of money in court with design patents. Are they trying to prove that you can still make problems if you have enough money and are not a “troll”?" | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6938720 | Jan 01 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/682621512428343296 | Jan 01 14:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Software Patents Used by Patent Trolls in the United States Are Squashed in Courts https://t.co/yeBaVv8DsR | Jan 01 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: that's too much, too fast | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | not mature, for sure | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | and surely not enough developers have looked through it to fix, improve, revise | Jan 01 14:32 |
| msb__ | Even this summary is incomprehensible: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Jan 01 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Jan 01 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jan 01 14:34 |
| msb__ | Is that the name of a new arthritis drug? Usually they're longer than that. | Jan 01 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why do you use Ubuntu in the first place, BTW? | Jan 01 14:37 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Are you OK? | Jan 01 14:38 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 01 14:40 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I used the first version when I worked for MCC | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | where the first gnu/linux was made | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | I worked with its founder | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | the distro was called MCC | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Owen LeBlanc made it, not many people recognised this achievement of his | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | someone who worked with me at ISBE gave me the Ubuntu CD | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | 4.04 | Jan 01 14:41 |
| schestowitz | 4.10 I mean | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | told me about this astronaut guy who made a simpler debian | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | up until then I was a Red Hat and more so SUSE person | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I still was for a few years | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | later mandriva | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | some Kubuntu | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | it's mso | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | *mostly the same anyway | Jan 01 14:42 |
| schestowitz | just different packaging and glitter | Jan 01 14:43 |
| cubexyz | I assume you didn't mean MCC Interim Linux | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I did | Jan 01 14:43 |
| cubexyz | or maybe you did... :) | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | !google MCC Interim Linux | Jan 01 14:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - MCC Interim Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCC_Interim_Linux | Jan 01 14:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - A Short History of Linux Distributions [LWN.net] | https://lwn.net/Articles/91371/ | Jan 01 14:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - History of Early Linux Distros - Make Tech Easier | https://www.maketecheasier.com/history-of-early-linux-distros/ | Jan 01 14:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - MCC Linux 1.0 - Terasaur | http://terasaur.org/item/show/mcc-linux-1-0/6517 | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I even fixed Wikipedia once | Jan 01 14:43 |
| cubexyz | ok, that was one of the earliest distros | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | when it stated something incorrect | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | it was the first | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jan 01 14:43 |
| cubexyz | it might have even been the first one | Jan 01 14:43 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jan 01 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ugh, I mean now… | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Owen got gnu and linux over FTP | Jan 01 14:43 |
| schestowitz | he did a phd in philosophy or something at the time | Jan 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | first to combine Linux AND GNU | Jan 01 14:44 |
| cubexyz | but if you used MCC Linux, did you stick with Linux all the way since then? | Jan 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | not me | Jan 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | I only started using GNU/Linux years later | Jan 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat was my first | Jan 01 14:44 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Jan 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the point was, I used the first Ubuntu | Jan 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | not many people did | Jan 01 14:45 |
| cubexyz | I remember those days | Jan 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | and I installed it on my production/main machine at work | Jan 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | at MCC | Jan 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Manchester Computing Centre | Jan 01 14:45 |
| cubexyz | I assume that is where MCC Linux got it's name? | Jan 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Been going through some transition since UMIST and Victoria U of Manchester merged | Jan 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | A lot of my colleagues at the time retired, left, laid off, relocated etc. | Jan 01 14:46 |
| cubexyz | Owen Le Blanc, yes | Jan 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | as functions of people moved around a bit, I left in 2007 IIRC | Jan 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | or 2006 | Jan 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Last I heard Owen worked as the IT person in MBS, Manchester Business School | Jan 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | the UoM one, opposite to where I lived for 6 years | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | even more, 7.5 almost | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | where my ex g/f studied | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | she went back to China | Jan 01 14:47 |
| cubexyz | Got some more history for you. did you know Queen Mary College in London used Unix v6 back in 1975? | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Owen never got much out of MCC | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | let alone recognition | Jan 01 14:47 |
| cubexyz | fairly recently I re-discovered that | Jan 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | he worked as a fairly ordinary person | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | better known for his phd than for his work on GNU and Linux | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't know Unix versions so well | Jan 01 14:48 |
| cubexyz | yes, sometimes people don't get much credit | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Ian too | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | except the name of the distro | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Was LF CTO for a while | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | failed at progeny | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | which Perens owned | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | failed at Sun in a way | Jan 01 14:49 |
| cubexyz | but my point was that schools in the UK did know about Unix | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | their distro never went far | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | joined docker only very recently | Jan 01 14:49 |
| cubexyz | it's just a shame it didn't chance on more what with all the windows nonsense | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | and not at a very high position/level | Jan 01 14:49 |
| cubexyz | s/chance/catch/ | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | UNIX was a Bell thing, so US... | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I can't imagine Russia and China relying much on it | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | unless they trusted US telecom in the Cold War era | Jan 01 14:50 |
| cubexyz | it was pretty significant in the Anglosphere if you pardon the term :) | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | which did lots of SIGINT | Jan 01 14:50 |
| cubexyz | USA, Canada, Australia, UK | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | also unix commands are english | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | the whole unix/posix/universal thing is very Five Eyes | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | even if you work in russia | Jan 01 14:50 |
| schestowitz | imagine ukranian and russian crackers gaving to learn english to just interpret commands | Jan 01 14:51 |
| cubexyz | Russians copied DEC computers, so they also copied Unix | Jan 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | when cracking servers almost anywhere in the world | Jan 01 14:51 |
| schestowitz | in china I guess you could have single-character commands | Jan 01 14:51 |
| cubexyz | Canada isn't too bad with Unix adoption | Jan 01 14:52 |
| *XRevan86 lost track. | Jan 01 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | so a complicated script with no numerics would be very concise | Jan 01 14:52 |
| cubexyz | not great, but not terrible | Jan 01 14:52 |
| schestowitz | a 6-letter word can be a long malicious script | Jan 01 14:52 |
| schestowitz | taboo "word" | Jan 01 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Corel is Canadian IIRC | Jan 01 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Toronto maybe | Jan 01 14:52 |
| cubexyz | no, Ottawa | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | it had xandros | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | which was NY-based at one time at least | Jan 01 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | Programming is all about English, so UNIX doesn't highlight much on the background. | Jan 01 14:53 |
| cubexyz | they probably have an office in Toronto though | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Toronto is close to NY | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | i4i is also Canadian | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | another office suite thing | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | but more parasitic, almost a troll | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Now MS attacks Corel with patents | Jan 01 14:53 |
| MinceR | i4i, tooth4tooth? | Jan 01 14:53 |
| schestowitz | making Corel look like the abuser | Jan 01 14:53 |
| cubexyz | not really a fan of Corel, even though it is Canadian | Jan 01 14:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: an eye for an eye | Jan 01 14:54 |
| cubexyz | but on the bright side, Vector Linux and OpenBSD is Canadian | Jan 01 14:54 |
| schestowitz | troll attacks bigger trolls | Jan 01 14:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 01 14:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/I4i_vs_Microsoft | Jan 01 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | I4i vs Microsoft - Techrights | Jan 01 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | lots of articles about just this one case | Jan 01 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I remember writing some of them, I wonder if i4i is defunct now | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | or still around as a site, but not many clients to keep the staff salaried | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | They got backstabbed by MS | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | They looked at what they do | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | and then ripped them off | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | typical MS, so it's not a plain/classic patent case | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | More like classic EEE from MS | Jan 01 14:55 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but de raadt is from SA originall | Jan 01 14:56 |
| schestowitz | that's like saying Ubuntu is English | Jan 01 14:56 |
| schestowitz | because of London HQ and tax evasion through Isle of Man | Jan 01 14:56 |
| schestowitz | !google shuttleworth south africa tax | Jan 01 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - South African Reserve Bank and Another v Shuttleworth and ... - Saflii | http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZACC/2015/17.html | Jan 01 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Shuttleworth loses R250m exit charge case in ConCourt | News ... | http://mg.co.za/article/2015-06-18-shuttleworth-loses-r250m-exit-charge-case-in-concourt | Jan 01 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - SA billionaire Shuttleworth loses R250 million tax case - BusinessTech | http://businesstech.co.za/news/wealth/90984/sa-billionaire-shuttleworth-loses-r250-million-tax-case/ | Jan 01 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Shuttleworth tax battle explained | Fin24 | http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Financial-Services/Shuttleworth-tax-battle-explained-20150618 | Jan 01 14:56 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, he lives in Calgary so.... | Jan 01 14:57 |
| cubexyz | I wasn't born in Canada either :) | Jan 01 14:57 |
| schestowitz | "Yet Corel and Microsoft are wasting all sorts of money in court with design patents. Are they trying to prove that you can still make problems if you have enough money and are not a “troll”?" | Jan 01 14:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6938720 | Jan 01 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/682621512428343296 | Jan 01 14:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Software Patents Used by Patent Trolls in the United States Are Squashed in Courts https://t.co/yeBaVv8DsR | Jan 01 14:57 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: England? | Jan 01 14:57 |
| cubexyz | Northern Ireland :) | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Ah, yes | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I recall something like that | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if you kept the accent | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | a lot of east asians and russia (n asia) move to Canada these days, I think | Jan 01 14:58 |
| cubexyz | no, I was only 1.5 years old when my folks immigrated | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I knew English people who moved to Canada and came back | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ah, OK | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | so you're like Matthew Garrett | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | also born around there | Jan 01 14:59 |
| cubexyz | well, did my audio blogs sound Irish? I doubt it :) | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | can't recall if it was belfast or some small town | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | !google Matthew Garrett born ireland | Jan 01 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Matthew Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Garrett | Jan 01 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - GARRETT Genealogy & Family History - FREE | http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/GARRETT | Jan 01 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Garrett - Surnames - Genealogy.com | http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/garrett/ | Jan 01 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Saint Patrick - New World Encyclopedia | http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Saint_Patrick | Jan 01 14:59 |
| cubexyz | yes, Belfast for me | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: doesn't sound so | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | which is why it baffled me | Jan 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | People mistake my accent for Canadian | Jan 01 15:00 |
| schestowitz | the most common guess people come up with | Jan 01 15:00 |
| schestowitz | "Born Galway, Ireland' | Jan 01 15:00 |
| cubexyz | you didn't sound English to me either :) | Jan 01 15:00 |
| cubexyz | I couldn't place your accent | Jan 01 15:00 |
| schestowitz | "Garrett filed a complaint with US Customs against Fusion Garage due to violations of the GPL" | Jan 01 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | somebody give me a recording of schestowitz :) | Jan 01 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Fairly comprehensive a Wikipedia article about a person not so significant, IMHO | Jan 01 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Nobody wrote a Wikipedia article about me, feel free to start one (cannot write about onself) | Jan 01 15:01 |
| schestowitz | *oneself | Jan 01 15:01 |
| cubexyz | Garrett was born in Ireland? | Jan 01 15:01 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/category/techbytes/ | Jan 01 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/bq5m0 ] | Jan 01 15:01 | |
| schestowitz | or http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/TechBytes | Jan 01 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/atg04 ] | Jan 01 15:02 | |
| cubexyz | I wonder if there's an irish distro | Jan 01 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Does techrights.org have issues now? | Jan 01 15:02 |
| schestowitz | no, why? Slow? | Jan 01 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | it keeps "server not found" | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: none I could think of | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Was that Kieran guy who made the thing before Solus Irish? | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Or just his name? | Jan 01 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | there, opened | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | He stepped down either way, got a job somewhere | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | I used to think Clem was Irish | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | I think French | Jan 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | vhttp://archive09.linux.com/articles/129740 | Jan 01 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive09.linux.com | Linux.com :: Celebrate St. Patrick's Day, Linux-style [ http://ur1.ca/odev0 ] | Jan 01 15:04 | |
| cubexyz | Mint? | Jan 01 15:04 |
| cubexyz | isn' | Jan 01 15:04 |
| cubexyz | t Mint irish? | Jan 01 15:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62159733 | Jan 01 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boards.ie | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/odev1 ] | Jan 01 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | Wait, seems possible | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe clem moved | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | " My email address is clem AT linuxmint DOT com. And I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. " | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | " And many laptops I see in College are using it, I have mentioned to people that it was an Irish disto, most people were not aware of this." | Jan 01 15:05 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS is german | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://lmelinux.net/2014/07/24/interview-clem-leader-linux-mint/ | Jan 01 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'lmelinux.net' ( status 0 @ http://lmelinux.net/2014/07/24/interview-clem-leader-linux-mint/ ) | Jan 01 15:06 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: English like English | Jan 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | "Clement Lefebvre" | Jan 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | very French name | Jan 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | EPO has a Lefebvre | Jan 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights Lefebvre | Jan 01 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - 2015 November 21 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/11/21/ | Jan 01 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux Mint Founder Does Not Follow Ubuntu's Banshee ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/14/no-interest-in-banshee/ | Jan 01 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Benefits of Ubuntu's Derivatives: MATE, Cinnamon, and ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/12/08/ubuntu-derivatives/ | Jan 01 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2015 November 20 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/ | Jan 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | but with the French accent on it | Jan 01 15:07 |
| cubexyz | but Mint has systemd in it :-/ | Jan 01 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: As an Ubuntu derivative… duh | Jan 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint | Jan 01 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Linux Mint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 01 15:07 | |
| schestowitz | No article about Clem in Wikipedia | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | which really shows where Wikipedia fails | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | long article about MS SJW with journal/blogspot crap | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | and none about Clem | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | with the most popular distro in DW | Jan 01 15:08 |
| cubexyz | what would you say is the most popular non-systemd distro? | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | The Wikipedia article doesn't mention a country | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | so I guess it's country-neutral | Jan 01 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Gentoo | Jan 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | but we know Clem hates Israel (apologised for saying so later) | Jan 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | that could be either a French or Irish thing ;-) | Jan 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Clement+Lefebvre&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go nothing there | Jan 01 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Clement Lefebvre - Search results - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odevw ] | Jan 01 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://helpforlinux.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/minty-chat-with-mr-clement-lefebvre.html | Jan 01 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-helpforlinux.blogspot.co.uk | Help For Linux: Minty Chat with Mr. Clement Lefebvre [ http://ur1.ca/odew2 ] | Jan 01 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Clement+Lefebvre&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go" | Jan 01 15:10 |
| schestowitz | " Linux Mint is designed in Ireland and conforms to both Irish and European law." | Jan 01 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Interview-Clement-Lefebvre-Linux-Mint-52754.shtml | Jan 01 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Interview: Clement Lefebvre, Linux Mint [ http://ur1.ca/odew6 ] | Jan 01 15:11 | |
| schestowitz | maybe Frenchman living in Ireland | Jan 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Or Irish with French roots | Jan 01 15:11 |
| cubexyz | I don't really think about countries + linux that much | Jan 01 15:12 |
| cubexyz | I just use what I use | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/ | Jan 01 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Jan 01 15:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | 1 Mint 3111< | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | 2 Debian 1931> | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | 3 Ubuntu 1529> | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Not change much for a long time | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | watch debian rising | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe related to Ian | Jan 01 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | distrowatch is doubtfully a good source for distro popularity stats | Jan 01 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | not that there's any other | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | hmmm. maybe not | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | "12 months: 2 (1,810), 6 months: 2 (1,931), 3 months: 2 (1,944), 4 weeks: 2 (1,878), 1 week: 2 (1,975)" | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian | Jan 01 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux [ http://ur1.ca/odewb ] | Jan 01 15:13 | |
| cubexyz | everyone seems to talk about Ubuntu though | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | !google linspire games distrowatch | Jan 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - DistroWatch.com: Linspire | http://distrowatch.com/linspire | Jan 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Distribution Release: Linspire 6.0 (DistroWatch.com News) | http://distrowatch.com/4523 | Jan 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Interview: Adam Williamson - DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into ... | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php%3Fissue%3D20070618 | Jan 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Spanish | http://distrowatch.com/index.php%3Flanguage%3DES%26 | Jan 01 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | Distrowatch makes statistic basing on clicks on distro pages on Distrowatch. | Jan 01 15:13 |
| cubexyz | or rather people who talk about Linux talk about Ubuntu | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | when does a linspire with KDE Framework 5 come out? | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | and with CNR | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | and MS fonts | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | liencesed fully | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | !google linspire eye blow piracy | Jan 01 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » Pre-installing Linux | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100 | Jan 01 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - React OS:Here comes the Windows Nemesis! | Tux Enclave. | https://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/react-oshere-comes-the-windows-nemesis/ | Jan 01 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft has ruined Windows ! - VideoHelp Forum | http://forum.videohelp.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D2425701 | Jan 01 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2009 November 18 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/11/18/ | Jan 01 15:14 |
| cubexyz | I thought linspire was dead? | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | xandros too | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | it was bought out | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | now MS wants to kill even the papa of xandros | Jan 01 15:15 |
| cubexyz | they are saying Murdock was a suicide :-/ | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | unless we can ensure MS is dead, first... | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's OK, MS loves Linux now... | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Come here, Sayta, gimma a hug | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | *gimme | Jan 01 15:15 |
| cubexyz | http://insightticker.com/2016/01/01/3244/police-proved-that-ian-murdock-death-is-an-apparent-suicide/ | Jan 01 15:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insightticker.com | Police Proved That Ian Murdock Death Is An Apparent Suicide [ http://ur1.ca/odewl ] | Jan 01 15:15 | |
| schestowitz | probably | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | based on what I read he was close to it before | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | and the police contributed to this | Jan 01 15:16 |
| cubexyz | nah, I don't believe for a second Microsoft loves Linux | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I do | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I can feel it | Jan 01 15:16 |
| cubexyz | they just want to make $$$ from it | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | you only hurt someone you love | Jan 01 15:16 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft loves $$$ :) | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | they have kinky love | Jan 01 15:16 |
| cubexyz | seems like Ian Murdock flipped out | Jan 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: that's what the police said | Jan 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | don't trust their version of these events | Jan 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in The Register | Jan 01 15:18 |
| cubexyz | I never got any reply to my email | Jan 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | in fact, disregard this story until there is some independent sources | Jan 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | not police investigating police | Jan 01 15:18 |
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| cubexyz | right | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I rebutted this online 2 nights ago | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | "including resisting arrest and assaulting emergency personnel. " | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Meaning he didn't break in | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | and he says he didn't assault them | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | it's a classic smear | Jan 01 15:19 |
| cubexyz | the whole story is very strange | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | call him drunk | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | and pretend they cared for his wellbeing | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | when it's them who harmed him | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | and why would a female officer take his undies off? | Jan 01 15:20 |
| cubexyz | no idea | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | "On Monday, police returned to the 2400 block of Green Street on reports of a possible suicide. The city medical examiner’s office confirmed Murdock was found dead there." | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Wonder why... | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait... so he was assaulted and raped | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Worse than Swartz | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | who was only mentally threatened | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | that they would bankrupt his whole family with legal fees | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | reverse mortgage and all | Jan 01 15:21 |
| cubexyz | pretty nasty | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | dozens of counts thrown at him | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | to make it more expensive for his lawyers to respond | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | and make the whole process lengthier | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | "Gatpandan said she urges anyone seeking help with a suicidal individual to quickly call police to get them to the help they need." | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL!! | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Say the bastards who CAUSED the suicide | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Because a millionaire was reported to be trying to "break into" a home | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | what for? | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Friggin' jewleries? | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | To put together some pennies to buy a repurposed box with debian? | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh, the precious police | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | tried to save him from suicide | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | which they themselves led to | Jan 01 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I heard bourgeois are trying to rob the poor. This must be it. | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | and they called a medic to help treat a woung | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | which their own abuse caused | Jan 01 15:23 |
| cubexyz | did Murdock drink? | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah, going into their house | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | I drink sometimes too | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | it's a personal attack | Jan 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | and it was xmas | Jan 01 15:24 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | many people here drink around xmas | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | EPO smears staff reps like this | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | even a judge | Jan 01 15:24 |
| cubexyz | sure, I'm just trying to figure out what happened | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Making personal attacks on their sanity | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a famous trick to discredit the accused | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe he drank and came to the wrong door | Jan 01 15:24 |
| cubexyz | possible | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | and this was interpreted as break-in attempt | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | police: sir, stop | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | IM: what? | Jan 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | police: we saw you trying to enter another house | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: i has a brew | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | police: so? | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: it's dark | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | the houses look similar | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | police: you're coming with me | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: what for? | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | police: breakin investigation | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: it's xmas, I had a drink | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | police: you're resisting arrest now | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: what? Do you know who I am? | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | police: who? You have scars on your face? | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: dafaq! I'm a geek | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | police: come with me | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: leave me alone | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | I founded debian | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | police: what's that | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: Linux | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | police: no idea what you mean | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: i work for docker? | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | police: SF bay docks? | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: no, the container company | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | police: ah, I see, containers | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: you don't understand... | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | police: sir, you're coming with me | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: I made $1.4m last year | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | police: sure you did... | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jan 01 15:27 |
| schestowitz | later: | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | IM: police are uneducated | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | accused me of attack | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | say they have no footage to prove otherwise | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | had to pay then 25k in bail | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | for attacking "THEM" | Jan 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | So they actually made money of the whole thing | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | imagine that | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | these bastards led him to suicide | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | and took some of his money, too | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | can his kids get a refund? | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | will anyone be prosecuted for doing this to the "assaulting" combative person who committed suicide | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | no need for coverup | Jan 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | they already led him to suicide | Jan 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | therein is the coverup | Jan 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Saved and protected.... themselves | Jan 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | from big lawsuits | Jan 01 15:30 |
| cubexyz | bail is a bond though | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | don't know how it works, lawyers' thing | Jan 01 15:33 |
| cubexyz | you get part of it back I think, once you appear in court | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | i just said to my wife, that's the thing about suicide... | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | you're dead | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | and they're alive | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | so your last words against theirs | Jan 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | and they can add words and repeat the lies many times | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | or reword with clever spin against last words | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Should have survived to challenge them | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | now we'll hear the "official" police story and he had no chances to rebut | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | except by going back to his last words, which no doubt they'll deny | Jan 01 15:35 |
| cubexyz | the coroner or medical examiner will have the last word | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | on cause of death | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | but that's not the end of it | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Mike Masnick (techDirt) says he can't cover it as not enough is known | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | same thing I said | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | if he's declared dead due to something he ingested, then likely a suicide | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | unless someone force-fed him | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | or police has some KGB/FSB era (or CIA) ways of making a death look natural when it's not | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | That leaves many unknowns | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Esp. regarding what happened in the van, the hospital, the cell | Jan 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | so he took down many bits of info with him | Jan 01 15:37 |
| cubexyz | his words were "uneducated, evil and sadistic" | Jan 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | didn't even write a lucid, clear blog post | Jan 01 15:37 |
| schestowitz | incoherent tweets instead | Jan 01 15:38 |
| cubexyz | definitely cause for worry | Jan 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | but I'd say | Jan 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | if he's gonna end up keeping the promise to commit suicide, name the people | Jan 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | and give a lot of details | Jan 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | time, place, act | Jan 01 15:38 |
| schestowitz | demand independent probee | Jan 01 15:38 |
| cubexyz | it's definitely a major botch-up | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | there's no paper trail | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | with Swartz there was | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | like legal documents | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | so there was a MIT report | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | and some other investigations | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | these went on for months and months | Jan 01 15:40 |
| schestowitz | even become the subject of some movies | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | in here we just have his words against SF police's words | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | and a report written by police | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | about the police | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | looking at their track record after such incidents, they cannot be trusted (many cases to show fabrication of evidence) | Jan 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | no alibis indoors (Ian's house) | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe some outdoors, near neighbour | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Police van = only police presence that survives | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | hospital - who knows... | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | but let's hope the family demands action like a probe into it | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | it's still Jan 1st, so holiday... | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | many branches of gov. closed | Jan 01 15:42 |
| schestowitz | and journalists away | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | his dying wish was justice | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | some people bury him and piss on him | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | by repeating the police coverup story | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | and smear him | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | "mental illness", "drunk"... | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | scary to think what they could get away with on anyone if this can be done to a person with so much credibility | Jan 01 15:43 |
| schestowitz | reducing him to a caricature of suicidal violent alcoholic | Jan 01 15:44 |
| schestowitz | when it's just some guy who knocked on the wrong door | Jan 01 15:44 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what he did later was a reaction/reponse to the way he was treated | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | e.g. IF, as the police claims, he screamed later | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | he was rightly upset at that stage | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | and bruised | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | they blame his injuries on him | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | like he head-butted metal | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | and then they KINDLY called a medic for him | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | LOL!!! | Jan 01 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Guffaw | Jan 01 15:46 |
| schestowitz | !google police charges man for bleeding on uniform | Jan 01 15:46 |
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| cubexyz | ridiculous | Jan 01 15:47 |
| MinceR | https://medium.com/@wilshipley/the-absolutely-true-story-of-a-real-programmer-who-never-learned-c-210e43a1498b | Jan 01 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | The Absolutely True Story of a Real Programmer Who Never Learned C — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/odezz ] | Jan 01 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> Someone mentioned in IRC the man who had a heart attack 9 months after | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > suggesting that US relinquishes control of DNS. | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Did they mention a name? | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | >> > Yes, but I cannot recall. Search it... | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe it was Jon Postel. He died in 1998, just a while after being | Jan 01 15:49 |
| -->DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@184.18.5.161) has joined #techrights | Jan 01 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | > accused of flexing his muscle: | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > In early 1997, as the US government was discussing | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > domain name alternatives, he used this power to | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > transfer control temporarily away from Network | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > Solutions to his own server. | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/196487.stm | Jan 01 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failure when receiving data from the peer ( status 0 @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/196487.stm ) | Jan 01 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's the guy. | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Makes you wonder.... | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | msb__: ^ | Jan 01 15:49 |
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| cubexyz | good story MinceR :) | Jan 01 16:09 |
| cubexyz | back in 2009 there was a strange incident with Peter Watts, a Canadian Sci-Fi author | Jan 01 16:19 |
| cubexyz | there was some physical altercation between him and US border guards | Jan 01 16:19 |
| cubexyz | http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2009/12/12/us_border_guards_arrest_author_peter_watts.html | Jan 01 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com | U.S. border guards arrest author Peter Watts | Toronto Star [ http://ur1.ca/odf3l ] | Jan 01 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2016/01/01/palm-pda-in-2016/ | Jan 01 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » How I Use an Old Palm PDA Even in 2016 [ http://ur1.ca/odf3m ] | Jan 01 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: when it comes to portable device, I'm more like you, I guess | Jan 01 16:20 |
| MinceR | maybe i'd use a Palm PDA if it didn't shit itself after 13 months | Jan 01 16:20 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, zaurus :) | Jan 01 16:20 |
| cubexyz | get a zaurus :) | Jan 01 16:20 |
| MinceR | or a zaurus, if they were ever sold in hungary | Jan 01 16:21 |
| cubexyz | I still have mine | Jan 01 16:21 |
| cubexyz | SL series was Linux based | Jan 01 16:22 |
| cubexyz | get one of those SL-C1000's | Jan 01 16:22 |
| cubexyz | might cost you a few bucks though :) | Jan 01 16:22 |
| cubexyz | you can get a SL-5500 pretty cheap | Jan 01 16:23 |
| cubexyz | I ported a bunch of stuff to zaurus years ago | Jan 01 16:23 |
| cubexyz | units, file, bc, even ncurses | Jan 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | http://palmaddicts.com/post/135799015666 | Jan 01 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palmaddicts.com | PalmAddict • Still a Palm LifeDrive user after all these... | Jan 01 16:26 | |
| cubexyz | maybe if Palm could run Linux... | Jan 01 16:27 |
| cubexyz | but Palm went to the darkside if I remember correctly | Jan 01 16:28 |
| cubexyz | maybe Palm Pilot did Linux? | Jan 01 16:28 |
| cubexyz | ok, they went webos later on | Jan 01 16:31 |
| cubexyz | I still say SL-C series is better :) | Jan 01 16:32 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, I never saw Zaurus in Canada either | Jan 01 16:32 |
| cubexyz | only used on ebay | Jan 01 16:32 |
| cubexyz | I guess there's HP Pre 3 nowadays | Jan 01 16:33 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, if you really want old school there's Newton :) | Jan 01 16:36 |
| cubexyz | but historically there was Sharp way before that | Jan 01 16:37 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Sharp PC-1250 pocket computer | Jan 01 16:37 |
| cubexyz | single line LCD display :) | Jan 01 16:38 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-PC-1211-pocket-computer-CE-122-printer-/262186261889?hash=item3d0b84dd81:g:WoYAAOSwf-VWalOe | Jan 01 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com | Sharp PC-1211 pocket computer & CE-122 printer | Jan 01 16:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Just for this: | Jan 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Happy New Year Roy, | Jan 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | It's been a long time, but long stories later. Just to wish you a very blessed Happy New Year for you & family. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Saddened to learn about the demise of Ian Murdock, though suspicions might arise to his cause of death. Very sad about him and family specially. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | "My best wishes for all your endeavours." | Jan 01 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Espanol | Jan 01 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Español - Techrights | Jan 01 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 148,134 times.' | Jan 01 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Jan 01 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Didn't even notice, didn't visit this page for years | Jan 01 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 293,941 times." | Jan 01 17:06 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Jan 01 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ] | Jan 01 17:06 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I thought Jon Postel might fit on your list of mysterious IT deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Jan 01 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odb08 ] | Jan 01 17:10 | |
| msb__ | "On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident." Age 55. | Jan 01 17:10 |
| msb__ | But IANA was under USC with a contract with the Air Force, so I don't see what a big difference he made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority | Jan 01 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Assigned Numbers Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odf8y ] | Jan 01 17:14 | |
| msb__ | Anyhow 55 is pretty young to die from a heart attack, which of course can be induced by many means -- drugs, electrical, microwave bombardment. | Jan 01 17:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CProtopapas/status/683040807872532480 | Jan 01 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CProtopapas: @schestowitz @BBCNews yes, and no one has ever demolished a 65-story concrete building. | Jan 01 17:20 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: nine months is a long | Jan 01 17:20 |
| schestowitz | time | Jan 01 17:20 |
| schestowitz | unless he was making progress | Jan 01 17:20 |
| schestowitz | and approached a tipping point | Jan 01 17:20 |
| msb__ | No, it looks like his change was reversed immediately. But if someone wanted revenge, waiting nine months would decrease the chance of being suspected. | Jan 01 17:22 |
| msb__ | Why kill Gary Kildall at the time they did? | Jan 01 17:24 |
| msb__ | Maybe they do it just to dishearten others. Remember, these are psychopaths. They are not human (in their firmware/software). | Jan 01 17:27 |
| msb__ | We had beautiful, simple, modular Linux, which gave us joy. And they wrecked it with systemd. | Jan 01 17:28 |
| msb__ | More practically, they took away our enthusiasm for recommending Linux to Windows users, because there's no good distro to recommend. Just as Windows 10 is really disappointing people with auto-botnet-updates. | Jan 01 17:32 |
| msb__ | I wonder if Ian Murdock was talking about starting a non-systemd Linux distro, or joining up with Devuan... | Jan 01 17:35 |
| msb__ | The destruction of Linux must be very important to the ruling psychopaths. Tens, hundreds of millions of people getting out from under control of the corporate/government control-freak psychopaths. Very important to them to stop it.] | Jan 01 17:39 |
| cubexyz | the Apple guy died too don't forget | Jan 01 17:40 |
| msb__ | But Apple is just as money-driven as Microsoft. However, there could be conflicts between psychopaths. | Jan 01 17:42 |
| cubexyz | Programmers don't always take good care of their health | Jan 01 17:43 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft will just rot away from within, that's my prediction | Jan 01 17:44 |
| cubexyz | no one really likes windows 10 | Jan 01 17:44 |
| msb__ | Jobs was diagnosed with a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor in 2003 and died of respiratory arrest related to the tumor on October 5, 2011. | Jan 01 17:44 |
| cubexyz | probably even Gates wouldn't like windows 10 | Jan 01 17:46 |
| cubexyz | but who knows | Jan 01 17:46 |
| msb__ | But MS is so large and its usage so widely spread that it will take a very long time to rot away. Especially with Linux crippled by systemd. | Jan 01 17:46 |
| msb__ | Plenty of people like windows 10 -- people who don't know any better. | Jan 01 17:47 |
| cubexyz | I haven't encountered anyone who has used it that actually likes it | Jan 01 17:48 |
| msb__ | Yes, but you run a repair service. | Jan 01 17:48 |
| cubexyz | this was my most recent customer's statement: | Jan 01 17:49 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt | Jan 01 17:49 |
| cubexyz | I'm not touching it, not that I was planning to :) | Jan 01 17:51 |
| msb__ | Amazing! firefox updates itself all the time and never screws up. | Jan 01 17:51 |
| cubexyz | all that has to happen is a micro-power failure during an update with no UPS | Jan 01 17:52 |
| cubexyz | simple | Jan 01 17:52 |
| cubexyz | I tell people to buy a UPS but they don't all listen | Jan 01 17:52 |
| msb__ | Why not? You could reinstall windows and charge him $100. | Jan 01 17:52 |
| cubexyz | he did something a bit odd... he just stopped using the computer | Jan 01 17:53 |
| cubexyz | I offered to fix it | Jan 01 17:53 |
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| msb__ | Wow, his "powerful gaming machine"! | Jan 01 17:54 |
| cubexyz | people just aren't that adaptable | Jan 01 17:55 |
| cubexyz | they get hooked into windows (like windows always existed) and that's that | Jan 01 17:55 |
| cubexyz | but this guy should know better, he's older than you | Jan 01 17:56 |
| cubexyz | well over 80 | Jan 01 17:56 |
| cubexyz | you can imagine how frustrating it is | Jan 01 17:56 |
| msb__ | For him or you? You offerred to fix him. | Jan 01 17:58 |
| cubexyz | well I guess both in this case | Jan 01 17:59 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <cubexyz> I tell people to buy a UPS but they don't all listen | Jan 01 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone needs them | Jan 01 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Last time I had an outage was more than 5 years ago | Jan 01 18:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe 8 years ago or 9 | Jan 01 18:00 |
| cubexyz | UPS will extend the life of your equipment | Jan 01 18:00 |
| cubexyz | and I have small power outages monthly at least | Jan 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | the danger is hardware failure, fuse (toaster malfunction, as happened to me 4 years ago), or wire coming out (happened last week) | Jan 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: where in Canada? | Jan 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Probably not TO | Jan 01 18:01 |
| cubexyz | yes, outside of Toronto | Jan 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | ok, that would make some sense | Jan 01 18:01 |
| schestowitz | outside in manchester, in rochdale, they had some outages last week due to the floods | Jan 01 18:01 |
| cubexyz | I bought extra UPSes for my older equipment, some of which is over 30 years old | Jan 01 18:02 |
| schestowitz | do these rest? | Jan 01 18:03 |
| cubexyz | everything :) | Jan 01 18:03 |
| schestowitz | If not, wear and tear can shorten their lives | Jan 01 18:03 |
| cubexyz | all my computers have UPS | Jan 01 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I still can't make my 2008 PC work again | Jan 01 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I guess I would too have it for a battery-less machine (desktop) | Jan 01 18:03 |
| cubexyz | the Amiga is from 1987 | Jan 01 18:04 |
| cubexyz | not quite 30 yet :) | Jan 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I was 5 | Jan 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | did you use replacement parts? | Jan 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I guess some spares are on ebay | Jan 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | lots of Amigas around | Jan 01 18:04 |
| schestowitz | (same issue with very old cars and repair costs or parts availability) | Jan 01 18:05 |
| cubexyz | it's all original still, except I added a hard drive about 3 years later | Jan 01 18:05 |
| cubexyz | the hard drive still works to this day | Jan 01 18:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <msb__> Plenty of people like windows 10 -- people who don't know any better. | Jan 01 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Evidence? | Jan 01 18:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:48] <cubexyz> I haven't encountered anyone who has used it that actually likes it | Jan 01 18:05 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Jan 01 18:05 |
| schestowitz | i heard one friend who said he liked Vista 7 | Jan 01 18:06 |
| schestowitz | but not vista 8 | Jan 01 18:06 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of anyone ever saying s/he liked Vista 8 | Jan 01 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Even though they called it "Windows 8" | Jan 01 18:06 |
| cubexyz | a few years ago, around 2011 I took the amiga apart and cleaned it | Jan 01 18:06 |
| cubexyz | that's about it | Jan 01 18:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:35] <msb__> I wonder if Ian Murdock was talking about starting a non-systemd Linux distro, or joining up with Devuan... | Jan 01 18:07 |
| schestowitz | pointless thing, no evidence, no connection to his death | Jan 01 18:07 |
| schestowitz | his boss is from Red Hat | Jan 01 18:07 |
| schestowitz | see Docker's history | Jan 01 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Red hat is the shadow entity bringing up systemd to everything, Intel also a big force | Jan 01 18:07 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <msb__> Jobs was diagnosed with a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor in 2003 and died of respiratory arrest related to the tumor on October 5, 2011 | Jan 01 18:08 |
| msb__ | I just suggested it as a possibility, since he _created_ Debian. | Jan 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Now it's Bill's turn, not Ian's | Jan 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | But Bill is looked after by quite an army of people | Jan 01 18:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txt | Jan 01 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Jobs wasn't doing to well before 2003, after his company barely survived | Jan 01 18:09 |
| cubexyz | I made sure the hard drives always run once a month, that probably helped a lot | Jan 01 18:09 |
| schestowitz | you know why they call it systemd? | Jan 01 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Because of Debra :-) | Jan 01 18:09 |
| schestowitz | system Debra | Jan 01 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I think that's how it's spelled? Not Deborah? | Jan 01 18:10 |
| cubexyz | I thought it was because systems A through C sucked :) | Jan 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Of Debbie? | Jan 01 18:10 |
| schestowitz | A: B: C:\ | Jan 01 18:10 |
| cubexyz | systemdaemon | Jan 01 18:11 |
| schestowitz | system Damian | Jan 01 18:11 |
| cubexyz | the d at the end is an established convention | Jan 01 18:11 |
| schestowitz | SystemDoodoo | Jan 01 18:11 |
| schestowitz | init.d | Jan 01 18:11 |
| schestowitz | /etc/init.d/ian stop | Jan 01 18:11 |
| schestowitz | or as red hat prefers: | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | system ian stop | Jan 01 18:12 |
| cubexyz | even on BSD there's sshd, inetd, and xfconfd | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | service I mean | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | not system | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | in debian it's apache/2 | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | and red hat and derivs httpd | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I bet the latter will become the norm | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | with d at the end | Jan 01 18:12 |
| schestowitz | even in debian | Jan 01 18:12 |
| cubexyz | it's been httpd as long as I can remember web servers | Jan 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | service http[SYSTEM]d stop | Jan 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: not in Debian | Jan 01 18:13 |
| schestowitz | or maybe Debian too changed | Jan 01 18:14 |
| cubexyz | there's nginx and ummm | Jan 01 18:14 |
| cubexyz | lighttpd | Jan 01 18:14 |
| cubexyz | historically apache is based on NCSA HTTPd | Jan 01 18:16 |
| cubexyz | so that's the original name | Jan 01 18:16 |
| cubexyz | even the CERN web server was called httpd | Jan 01 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6912238 | Jan 01 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Interestingly enough, same legal firm which lobbies alongside #microsoft on the #patent front is the same one threatening me for #epo now | Jan 01 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | "What is EPO?" | Jan 01 18:18 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office | Jan 01 18:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6915172 | Jan 01 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Law schools lag behind on open source law https://opensource.com/education/15/12/teaching-open-source-law #freesw #law | Jan 01 18:19 | |
| schestowitz | "Oh, I graduated. Who knows if it is still the case. Also, transfering is much more difficult than it should be. You can only transfer after your first year. I did look into it, but too late." | Jan 01 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Teaching open source law | Opensource.com | Jan 01 18:19 | |
| cubexyz | syslogd was one of the earlier daemons | Jan 01 18:20 |
| cubexyz | but the idea of a 'daemon' goes back to 1976 | Jan 01 18:20 |
| cubexyz | also acctd goes back a long time | Jan 01 18:21 |
| cubexyz | so systemd's name is fine | Jan 01 18:22 |
| cubexyz | I guess | Jan 01 18:22 |
| cubexyz | it's really the scope of systemd that I find is problematic | Jan 01 18:23 |
| cubexyz | you could just log stuff, e.g. logger "today I added a USB drive" | Jan 01 18:28 |
| cubexyz | and syslogd would add that to /var/log/messages | Jan 01 18:29 |
| cubexyz | that is definitely from the BSD world though | Jan 01 18:34 |
| cubexyz | there's user logging too | Jan 01 18:36 |
| cubexyz | check /etc/syslog.conf there's lots of good options in there | Jan 01 18:38 |
| cubexyz | really BSD always had that anti-establishment bent to it | Jan 01 18:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/original-bsd-art-pdp-11.jpg | Jan 01 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/lifestyle/arts-entertainment/bye-bye-2015-hello-2016 | Jan 01 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstimes.com.sg | Bye bye 2015, hello 2016!, Arts & Entertainment - THE BUSINESS TIMES [ http://ur1.ca/odfgy ] | Jan 01 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | "THERE are rebellious teenagers and there is Amos Yee who makes Kylo Ren look like an angel. But with enlistment looming as he turns 18 this year, BMT might finally straighten him out. Stay tuned as The Singapore Armed Forces Awakens the recalcitrant teen." | Jan 01 18:52 |
| schestowitz | He should refuse to enlist and vlog the nation's reaction | Jan 01 18:52 |
| schestowitz | that would be entertaining | Jan 01 18:52 |
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| MinceR | "nation" | Jan 01 19:02 |
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| cubexyz | any new distro recommenations for 2016? :) | Jan 01 19:09 |
| cubexyz | recommendations | Jan 01 19:09 |
| *cubexyz recommendations for 2016: Don't use Windows 10 | Jan 01 19:12 | |
| MinceR | slackware, funtoo | Jan 01 19:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wmarybeard/status/680479219181350912 | Jan 01 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wmarybeard: Why do we our pay our licence fee to bbc? To watch the reindeer journey on bbc4. No commercial channel would ever risk it great @BBC4tech | Jan 01 19:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Midnight-Mass | Jan 01 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Midnight Mass [ http://ur1.ca/odfld ] | Jan 01 19:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683108180445016064 | Jan 01 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz Who took it down? Ian Murdock himself said he was going to post an explanation on his blog. He had lots2get off his chest. | Jan 01 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | one theory I have is that someone at the police deemed it "defamatory"; another is, the family thought it was embarrassing | Jan 01 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683111030206107648 | Jan 01 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz in either case, someone would've had to go in & "sanitize" what he was trying to communicate. Final words down the memory hole | Jan 01 22:01 | |
| schestowitz | http://archive.is/vBS6N | Jan 01 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Tweets with replies by Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Jan 01 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | with replies | Jan 01 22:11 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @crowdfunder_mag favourited 'The Funding Crowd 54, the latest in Linux...' | Jan 01 22:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/FPKH8uVMrn | Jan 01 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 01 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odfzm | Jan 01 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 01 22:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Midnight Mass https://t.co/oChptbcWR8 | Jan 01 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.schestowitz.com) | Jan 01 22:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odfzo | Jan 01 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.schestowitz.com | Midnight Mass | Jan 01 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683114338203353088 | Jan 01 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz the only solution is global. Even if you fix the local loopholes they'll just move $ offshore to tax shelters @sensanders | Jan 01 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683112658334253056 | Jan 01 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz Apparently, the last tweets, including responses from his acct were archived B4his acct was canxed; https://t.co/ln5oynuoxL | Jan 01 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683116132417536000 | Jan 01 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz this is response2last tweet from Ian's account, which appeared garbled: https://t.co/H8EvxYkdtq @strawberrysable acct nixed too | Jan 01 22:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maskedplacebo: @imurdock @StrawberrySabre are you drunk? | Jan 01 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683123589671968768 | Jan 01 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz &F it ws noose Y'd he ask4 30mins2tie it.Something doesn't make sense.+he was more intent on his story getting out 1st&foremost | Jan 01 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/683125487900622849 | Jan 01 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Can anyone verify the facts or clarify any aspect of this event? (Police brutality; then suicide of Debian founder) https://t.co/qmBNBHheyU | Jan 01 22:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Really sorry to hear that, thought it was someone else on his account :C" https://t.co/9xbRvLG2dn drove him to suicide? #4chan trolls. | Jan 01 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/683126122234642432 | Jan 01 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz I've been trying for 3 years to get an account deleted because I had created it in error. Still no response on my request. | Jan 01 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683126441605787649 | Jan 01 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz Isn't 4-chan the birth place of #Anonymous ? | Jan 01 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't surprise me if so... | Jan 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683129297972899840 | Jan 01 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz Looks good to me? From Go Daddy, expires Feb 21, 2017. | Jan 01 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | odd, showed up as invalid to me | Jan 01 22:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683129857467748352 | Jan 01 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz More details would be helpful. For example, in Firefox click on the lock icon, it will show you details about the cert. | Jan 01 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | I had to mark is as an exception in Firefox, as it insisted there was invalidity (didn't read the exact error message) | Jan 01 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if I can go back to diagnose what had happened before I marked it as an exception. Could be sign of MITM? | Jan 01 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that was for https://internetarchive.org/ | Jan 01 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine | Jan 01 22:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683130426957799425 | Jan 01 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz You can go now and get the details, they should be the same | Jan 01 22:40 | |
| schestowitz | ixquick led to it, maybe time to expand the scope of your cerf | Jan 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/683130877233111042 | Jan 01 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: #irony https://t.co/i5RTh5rUzw | Jan 01 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft, Which Actively Aids State-Sponsored Attacks, Says It Will Battle State-Sponsored Attack https://t.co/ICnYkLogMS #microsoft #pr | Jan 01 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683131968041521152 | Jan 01 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz seems to be a generic problem with our redirect domains. thanks for reporting it. | Jan 01 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | Glad to have helped :-) | Jan 01 22:46 |
| schestowitz | HNY | Jan 01 22:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/FPKH8uVMrn | Jan 01 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 01 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jan 01 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg3i | Jan 01 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 01 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The best Android apps of 2015 | Jan 01 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kbqSszpM4A (www.greenbot.com) | Jan 01 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg3j | Jan 01 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com | The best Android apps of 2015 | Greenbot | Jan 01 22:53 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683135703631310848 | Jan 01 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz Are you running a browser plugin that changes http to https? Because ixquick seems to me to be pointing at http, not https. | Jan 01 23:09 | |
| schestowitz | Depends what you search for, I think I tried "internet archive" | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Deprogrammer9/status/683135988680425472 | Jan 01 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Deprogrammer9: .@schestowitz @HotHardware they came for Ian. | Jan 01 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Deprogrammer9/status/683136701515075586 | Jan 01 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Deprogrammer9: .@schestowitz @MirrorTech I bet in new stuff he was not supposed to know. | Jan 01 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683136893131722756 | Jan 01 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Jan 01 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/683137978227494912 | Jan 01 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Which former security boss is it you are referring to? | Jan 01 23:11 | |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/2014/04/08/howard-schmidt-codenomicon/ | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/04/08/howard-schmidt-codenomicon/ | Jan 01 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Former Chief Security Officer for Microsoft the Chairman of the Board of Firm Behind Heartbleed® | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/h1bw9 ] | Jan 01 23:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683138485851557890 | Jan 01 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz OIC the issue is that http www internetarchive org is a redir to https www internetarchive org, instead of archive org. | Jan 01 23:12 | |
| schestowitz | hope it helps improve the experience for ones like me who come from unexpected routes | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GatoPreto19/status/683139120605061121 | Jan 01 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GatoPreto19: @schestowitz Crossed my path, you thought of hacked account because of spelling errors.. - Strange this. | Jan 01 23:16 | |
| schestowitz | Right, because a person smart enough to crack Ian's Twitter account wouldn't be able to type an English sentence? | Jan 01 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | the contortions people will attempt to avoid acknowledging something uncomfortable | Jan 01 23:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/683140715866636289 | Jan 01 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz mb something abt docker (which is also in microsoft's interest)? | Jan 01 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | Doubt it, as Docker is founded by a Red hat guy. Microsoft does have interests though: http://techrights.org/2015/06/25/dockercon-2015-microsoft/ | Jan 01 23:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | DockerCon 2015 Infiltrated by Microsoft | Techrights | Jan 01 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: yes | Jan 01 23:23 |
| schestowitz | the police says the family wants privacy | Jan 01 23:23 |
| schestowitz | not sure still if they do | Jan 01 23:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | Jan 01 23:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe the police offered them this | Jan 01 23:23 |
| schestowitz | "don't worry, we'll investigate" | Jan 01 23:23 |
| schestowitz | "It's all under control" | Jan 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "Your drunk violent daddy almost killed us" | Jan 01 23:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | it would be funny if this woke a bunch of geeks out of their slumber. but it won't | Jan 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "We tried to help him" | Jan 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "We called a medic for him" | Jan 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | !google charged with bleeding on uniform | Jan 01 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily ... | http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html | Jan 01 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Police beat innocent man in handcuffs, charge him with bleeding on ... | http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/henry-davis/ | Jan 01 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Ferguson cops beat innocent man, then charged him with bleeding ... | https://www.rt.com/usa/180680-ferguson-henry-davis-blood/ | Jan 01 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ferguson Man Wins Appeal After Police Charge Him For Bleeding ... | http://newsone.com/3159860/ferguson-man-charged-with-bleeding-on-cops-wins-appeal/ | Jan 01 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://archive.is/OPlI7 | Jan 01 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Jan 01 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/683142946481258501 | Jan 01 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Thank you. | Jan 01 23:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android at CES 2016: What to expect from this | Jan 01 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | year's show https://t.co/rWvA7tonGF | Jan 01 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidcentral.com) | Jan 01 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg6i | Jan 01 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Android at CES 2016: What to expect from this year's show | Android Central | Jan 01 23:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian, please plan for Stretch | Jan 01 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SoMclAMgVu | Jan 01 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (nthykier.wordpress.com) | Jan 01 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg6j | Jan 01 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nthykier.wordpress.com | Debian, please plan for Stretch | nthykier | Jan 01 23:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/tcOzymyI6G | Jan 01 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 01 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg6k | Jan 01 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 01 23:32 | |
| schestowitz | x https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00961.html | Jan 01 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00961.html ) | Jan 01 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | trolling debian | Jan 01 23:35 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: | Jan 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7286-sin_in_the_time_of_technology | Jan 01 23:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7286-sin_in_the_time_of_technology ) | Jan 01 23:37 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 01 23:37 | |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i'm on v limited bandwidth right now, but the premise is amazing 'How social media companies are creating a global morality standard through content regulations' | Jan 01 23:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | see also: TV | Jan 01 23:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | and fuckingn nipples | Jan 01 23:40 |
| cubexyz | the world is a crazy place | Jan 01 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | nippolitically-correct world | Jan 01 23:46 |
| schestowitz | nothing is as offensive as mammary glands on female's skin tissue | Jan 01 23:46 |
| schestowitz | !google gop breastfeeding stare grab | Jan 01 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - A Female Lawmaker Defends Public Breastfeeding. Her Male ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-hampshire-house-nipples-breastfeeding_568437bce4b0b958f65b19d6 | Jan 01 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 'Family values' Republican: Men should be allowed to grab ... | http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/family-values-republican-men-should-be-allowed-to-grab-breastfeeding-womens-nipples-in-public/ | Jan 01 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - If Women Can Breastfeed In Public, Then Men Can Grab Their Nipples | http://news.groopspeak.com/gop-lawmaker-if-women-can-breastfeed-in-public-then-men-can-grab-their-nipples/ | Jan 01 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Male Legislator Mocks His Colleague's Nipples In Push To Ban ... | http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/12/31/3735429/new-hampshire-breastfeeding-sexism/ | Jan 01 23:47 |
| schestowitz | family values, gop style | Jan 01 23:47 |
| schestowitz | like in saudi arabia | Jan 01 23:47 |
| schestowitz | if not covered, can rape | Jan 01 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Saudi GOParabia | Jan 01 23:48 |
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| scientes | sup schestowitz | Jan 02 02:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/tcOzymyI6G | Jan 02 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jan 02 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odgsd | Jan 02 04:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GatoPreto19/status/683151124887695361 | Jan 02 05:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GatoPreto19: @schestowitz Well, you noticed that something is strange.. - Wasn't it the way it was written in first place what caught your attention..? | Jan 02 05:01 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure I'm following... | Jan 02 05:01 |
| schestowitz | scientes: hi 0/ | Jan 02 05:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683188252728274944 | Jan 02 05:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Max Schrems' "Safe Harbout" at #32C3 talk was my favourite talk: https://t.co/bgAxtNqWWq | Jan 02 05:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Safe Harbor https://t.co/5j7eryiqpx #privacy #ccc | Jan 02 05:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mohs8421/status/683196546641428480 | Jan 02 05:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mohs8421: RT @schestowitz Victims of >fatal< #police brutality always 'tragically' turn out to be aggressive, combative, rude, emotionally unstabl ... | Jan 02 05:03 | |
| msb_ | charged with intentionally contaminating the officer's truncheon with his brain matter, a felony | Jan 02 05:06 |
| schestowitz | > “the biggest advancement Linux brought to the industry”. | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/31/ian-murdock-a-tribute-to-the-man-and-his-work-on-linux | Jan 02 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ian Murdock: a tribute to the man and his work on Linux | Technology | The Guardian | Jan 02 05:07 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > not much mainstream coverage | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://ianmurdock.com/solaris/how-package-management-changed-everything/ | Jan 02 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | How package management changed everything | Ian Murdock [ http://ur1.ca/odgti ] | Jan 02 05:07 | |
| schestowitz | Very disappointing. It looks like 4chan trolls him a lot before his last tweets where he hints at a noose. | Jan 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > "Finally I realized that I was wasting more time trying to defend my | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | > contributions than it took to make them and hours of work would just be | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | > deleted for no good reason." | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://mrpogson.com/2016/01/01/wikipedia-again/ | Jan 02 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Wikipedia, Again | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/odgts ] | Jan 02 05:12 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | > Yep. Especially regarding ODF. | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | Just like in 'news' sites... | Jan 02 05:12 |
| schestowitz | > https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7387-net_neutrality_in_europe | Jan 02 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7387-net_neutrality_in_europe ) | Jan 02 05:25 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | > Big crises coming up in the summer this year that need addressing | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | > already. Apparently the earlier they get addressed, the more likely the | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | > success. | Jan 02 05:25 |
| schestowitz | > http://perens.com/blog/2016/01/01/the-empathy-gap/ | Jan 02 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | The Empathy Gap, and Why Women are Treated Badly in Open Source Communities | Bruce Perens [ http://ur1.ca/odguu ] | Jan 02 05:26 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | > arm-chair psychology? | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't like that one post when I saw it. | Jan 02 05:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://perens.com/blog/2015/12/31/ian-murdock-dead/ | Jan 02 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | Ian Murdock dead | Bruce Perens | Jan 02 05:34 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | > http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2514 | Jan 02 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blather.michaelwlucas.com | randi vs xmj « blather.michaelwlucas.com | Jan 02 05:34 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | > CoC is not the answer. This is about getting people to behave. | Jan 02 05:34 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 02 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > "What is more frightening than being merely watched, though, is being | Jan 02 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > controlled." | Jan 02 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/29/irans-blogfather-facebook-instagram-and-twitter-are-killing-the-web | Jan 02 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Iran's blogfather: Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are killing the web | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/odgvr ] | Jan 02 05:49 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > rewrite of an earlier article on the same topic. The points are valid | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > though. | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | Because of sites such as #facebook or #twitter a lot of people who wrote articles no longer do. They give their time for free to Net giants. | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | #facebook or #twitter are both platforms of #surveillance and #censorship these days. The goal should be to get rid of both. | Jan 02 05:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> “the biggest advancement Linux brought to the industry”. | Jan 02 05:52 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 05:52 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/31/ian-murdock-a-tribute-to-the-man-and-his-work-on-linux | Jan 02 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ian Murdock: a tribute to the man and his work on Linux | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/odgw4 ] | Jan 02 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> not much mainstream coverage | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> older: | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://ianmurdock.com/solaris/how-package-management-changed-everything/ | Jan 02 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | How package management changed everything | Ian Murdock [ http://ur1.ca/odgti ] | Jan 02 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >> > Very disappointing. It looks like 4chan trolls him a lot before his last | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >> > tweets where he hints at a noose. | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | > I wonder how they found him so quickly. By the time the rest of us had | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | > noticed his problems, he was already dead. | Jan 02 05:53 |
| schestowitz | >> Can I attribute the quotes below to you by name? | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Of course! Someone has to tell them as you do! | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > Please watch for yourself. Watch for the people with whom you celebrate. I'm | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > suspicios if Ian was mind programmed or drugged to hurt himself. Remember this is no more | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > a peoples country but the corporations', and they power goes beyond boundaries | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > with their so called globalism. Ian though no more in charge in Debian, | Jan 02 05:55 |
| schestowitz | > but was a symbol. Debian is harder to submit than Red Hat but with him out of | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > the way many things can happen. I hope I am wrong about this. | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > Also if you're in touch with Indian activists, send them my regards for having | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > the guts to stand up for what is right! | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I'll keep in touch my friend. | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > Eduardo | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | Ian already had some depression of mental issues, based on people who were close to him, so I doubt he was drugged to cause erratic behaviour. | Jan 02 05:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683190138541850624 | Jan 02 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @c3infodesk @schestowitz If you own a Raspberry Pi & want to watch #32C3 talks on your TV: 1) Install OSMC 2) Install "CCC-TV" Video Add-on | Jan 02 05:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6940204 | Jan 02 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Jan 02 06:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Good thing the current president is so smart and engaged that he can watch ESPN all day long and occasionally read shit from a teleprompter." | Jan 02 06:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xT0ri1/status/683245395137433600 | Jan 02 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@xT0ri1: @schestowitz This person is a criminal and deserves death | Jan 02 06:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Wikinaut followed @tuxmachines | Jan 02 07:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What better way to ring in 2016 than with | Jan 02 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Deepin 15 on your desktop? | Jan 02 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IoSG9hiDfA (linuxbsdos.com) | Jan 02 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | What better way to ring in 2016 than with Deepin 15 on your desktop? | LinuxBSDos.com | Jan 02 07:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/weberpatent/status/683077875625517060 | Jan 02 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@weberpatent: Lots and lots of variables in this “business model“ which converts patents from assets into liabilities https://t.co/9R4fIOYGec | Jan 02 07:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bardehleIP: Killing #patents as a #business model - will it come to Europe via the #UPC? https://t.co/vklLEanwtd by @patentlyGerman | Jan 02 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/682966533203701760 | Jan 02 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentbuddy: The Bass- Spangenberg Patent Validity Attacks; A new patent monetization model; Soon to be seen in EU under UPC: https://t.co/rXodQfD4r2 | Jan 02 07:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> patentlygerman.com | The Bass-Spangenberg patent validity attacks: A new patent monetization model. Soon to be expected in Europe under the UPC ? | patentlyGerman | Jan 02 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/VlmHardy/status/683267927253061632 | Jan 02 07:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @treacl #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/fFXHdMCFWA | Jan 02 07:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://sumall.com/thankyou ) | Jan 02 07:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @treacl #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/fFXHdMCFWA | Jan 02 07:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Infinite Bundle from Bundle Stars has 12 Linux | Jan 02 07:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Infinite Bundle from Bundle Stars has 12 Linux games for next to nothing | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 07:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hyper Light Drifter planning for a same-day | Jan 02 07:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux release https://t.co/5BZ3ewKXLk | Jan 02 07:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ring in the new year by installing deepin 15 -- | Jan 02 07:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a beautiful Debian-based Linux distribution | Jan 02 07:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Hyper Light Drifter planning for a same-day Linux release | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 07:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ring in the new year by installing deepin 15 -- a beautiful Debian-based Linux distribution | Jan 02 07:59 | |
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| Guest38082 | I understand you have recently written up about how individual inventors are suffering at the hands of the unaccountable EPO. I think my case may provide you with some very interesting insights like denying a patent when accepting there is something patentable. I can be reached on richard.bankart@btinternet.com | Jan 02 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | First contact made... testing this E-mail address works. | Jan 02 08:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683281385583292416 | Jan 02 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: @schestowitz At least 2 investigative reporters on the case. One ex-BBC. | Jan 02 08:44 | |
| schestowitz | Good, I hope they actually don't just relay the police's "official" story | Jan 02 08:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Better Multi Indirect Draw Support Coming To Mesa - Phoronix | Jan 02 08:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best | Jan 02 08:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | The Indian Express | Jan 02 08:48 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683283641837969410 | Jan 02 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: @schestowitz Very unlikely. | Jan 02 08:50 | |
| schestowitz | Well, BBC... http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC | Jan 02 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights | Jan 02 08:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC - Techrights | Jan 02 08:50 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jan 02 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best | Jan 02 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian Family | Tux Machines | Jan 02 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/PNDT89mXhz | Jan 02 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Jan 02 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683288684645466112 | Jan 02 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: How many people does the #BBC need to screw in a light bulb ? None, they like to keep things in the dark. For @schestowitz | Jan 02 09:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pixeldyne_sys/status/683289831439372289 | Jan 02 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz possible headline for 2016: Microsoft Patents The Hyperlink | Jan 02 09:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/683290524892164096 | Jan 02 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #MaireadMaguire: #Syrians admire #Assad; agree that Western/#GCC sponsored #Proxies have invaded Syria. https://t.co/6eWqeLupua | Jan 02 09:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Many Syrians are traumatized and in shock and ask ‘how did this happen to our country’? Proxy wars..." https://t.co/PNEbsSKB4H | Jan 02 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/683293775846871040 | Jan 02 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I'm more interested in who benefits from the instability being created in Europe. Its being orchestrated by someone IMO. | Jan 02 09:48 | |
| schestowitz | I think this theory is weak and weakly founded | Jan 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | The rich can incite for #classwar (middle vs bottom) well enough; no need for them to create racial/ethnic/religious wars | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | The rich need just enough tension to keep people distracted from the rich (but not destablise their own country) | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | *destabilise | Jan 02 09:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | 2) Translation of the two French texts: | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | The Agoravox piece is written in a rather elaborate language, and a good | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | English translation is difficult, especially in view of the many | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | historical and literary references. For example, "sections spéciales" is | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | a reference to 1975 film about official repression forces under the | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | pro-nazi Vichy regime, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sp%C3%A9ciale . | Jan 02 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Section spéciale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 02 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | I just did the introduction part, and I needed much more than one hour | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | just for that bit. The sample is provided below, but it's not ready yet | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | for publication. | Jan 02 10:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 10:24 |
| MinceR | if you want to see how hard belonging to the m$ cult can disrupt the functioning of a central nervous system >> https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/microsoft-insider-on-why-microsoft-sucks-and-rocks/6907 | Jan 02 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-what.thedailywtf.com | Microsoft insider on why Microsoft sucks (and rocks) - General - What the Daily WTF? | Jan 02 10:41 | |
| MinceR | Microsoft. Not Even Once. | Jan 02 10:41 |
| schestowitz | A little old this article... | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683318102952640512 | Jan 02 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz John Olivier Last Week (April 2015) about #patent trolls and more https://t.co/oWtBzkFX8M | Jan 02 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Patents (HBO) - YouTube | Jan 02 11:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683319989605109764 | Jan 02 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz Curious whether J. Oliver will also have a "last week" special about "EPOexit 2016" (file under Brexit, Grexit, Plexit) | Jan 02 11:15 | |
| schestowitz | Finxit likely first | Jan 02 11:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683321104732188673 | Jan 02 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: #Battexit before Finexit https://t.co/fn2lULNFEj | Jan 02 11:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut @zoobab Finxit likely first | Jan 02 11:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/apuestaygratis/status/683326064681205760 | Jan 02 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@apuestaygratis: ¡Milagro! Tres goles en Old Trafford, uno de ellos de Rooney United 2 - Swansea 1 https://t.co/iXdMGkyqfY | Jan 02 11:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bet365_es: Gylfi Sigurðsson pone las tablas en el Old Trafford. Problemas para van Gaal y los suyos... https://t.co/xa1Kk43zxE | Jan 02 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | > Dear Dr Schestowitz , | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for your response. I think my experience would represent all | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > that is wrong with judge and jury EPO, It is clearly a complicated and | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > difficult area to get people to follow. I hope my cut and paste of | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > issues makes sense. You are more than welcome to other documents (like | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > the complaint letters which cannot be seen on line) and please don't | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > hesitate if you need further explanation. | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > I attach a summary of issues. This is a cut and paste job as evidenced | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > by the referencing. I have tried to involve my MEP Syed Kamall. He has | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > written once to the EPO. He got a response, the usual that there is | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > nothing wrong. I attach the draft I am asking him to send in response | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > as it has one or two other angles. | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you once again and I look forward to hearing your views. | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, Richard. I will look into it over the weekend and see how it relates to our coverage on the patent neutrality theme at the EPO (there's no real neutrality and it has only been getting worse). | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | more to come... | Jan 02 12:05 |
| schestowitz | .. | Jan 02 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/683338637837254656 https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/683338880460914688 | Jan 02 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I'm not sure it can be legally classed as food due to General construction and nutritional deficiencies. | Jan 02 12:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz However yes the average McDonald's user does appear to be generally an ab-human monglatoid. | Jan 02 12:33 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | VDI comes to the Raspberry Pi • The Register | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/SjR5HFaDID | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odhwo | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P Review - Android Overdose | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pjttHSggjC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odhwp | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P Review - Android Overdose | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
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| cubexyz | came across this the other day: | Jan 02 15:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/star-wars-pdp-11.jpg | Jan 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | http://torrenttunes.ml/ | Jan 02 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrenttunes.ml | TorrentTunes | Jan 02 15:46 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: is that yours? ;-) | Jan 02 15:46 |
| schestowitz | you seem to have modernised by a few decades | Jan 02 15:46 |
| cubexyz | nope | Jan 02 15:46 |
| cubexyz | as much as I'd love to own it, .ml is Mali | Jan 02 15:48 |
| cubexyz | but .ml domains are free evidently | Jan 02 15:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3z0yft/why_does_google_refuse_to_provide_google_drive/ | Jan 02 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why does Google refuse to provide Google Drive desktop client for Linux? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/odi87 ] | Jan 02 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | "I was chatting to a Google employee a while back who was surprised to hear the Google Drive client he uses internally on Linux hadn't been released publicly. So (if his comment is to be believed) they have a Google Drive desktop client for Linux, just haven't released it." | Jan 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, not Mali in many cases | Jan 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | vanity domains | Jan 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | usually small islands | Jan 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | two-letter ones that make up funny nords | Jan 02 15:50 |
| schestowitz | like ma.tt | Jan 02 15:50 |
| schestowitz | aka photomatt.org iirc | Jan 02 15:50 |
| cubexyz | there was another free one that I tried... was that .tt? | Jan 02 15:50 |
| cubexyz | can't even remember now | Jan 02 15:50 |
| cubexyz | .tk? | Jan 02 15:51 |
| cubexyz | ok, yes it was .tk so I grabbed cubeman.tk | Jan 02 15:51 |
| cubexyz | nothing ends in tk though | Jan 02 15:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yzz4k/cbs_sf_affiliate_provides_more_detail_on_the_loss/ | Jan 02 15:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | CBS SF affiliate provides more detail on the loss of Ian Murdock : linux [ http://ur1.ca/odi8o ] | Jan 02 15:52 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Did the police officers wear body cameras? Are there other witnesses accounts to back the police story? What about the cameras in the police station? What about the emergency call? It was recorded, right? | Jan 02 15:52 |
| schestowitz | There are many possibilities to clear up the situation and I'm not saying the police must be at fault. But I'm hoping the family goes for an investigation. And if not friends, maybe even some lawyers from the OSC should do it. I think, this would be a last favor for the deceased. | Jan 02 15:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: when it expires it'll no longer words | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | there used to be http://openbytes.tk | Jan 02 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.tk | openbytes.tk | Jan 02 15:53 | |
| cubexyz | right, I remember you mentioning that | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | do you really want to point at a domain that might some time in the future yield an error? | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | like techrights.com? | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I pay 42 pounds every two years for echrights.com | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | and it's barely even accessed at all | Jan 02 15:53 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, seems a bit high | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | someone who claimed to own techrights.net tried to sell it to me last week | Jan 02 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested, obviously, these people have an ugly business | Jan 02 15:54 |
| cubexyz | right, same here except with cubeman.net :) | Jan 02 15:54 |
| schestowitz | grabbed the .com to prevent hijacked, same thing eff did | Jan 02 15:54 |
| schestowitz | david from wikipedia suggested that I do it when I registered the org in 2010 | Jan 02 15:54 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: just don't link to the tk one | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | 404 down the line/years guaranteed | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | and for what, a vanity url? | Jan 02 15:55 |
| cubexyz | well I don't own cubeman.com either | Jan 02 15:55 |
| cubexyz | I think org is better anyway | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I see it mentioned on the web sometimes | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | reddit for instance | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I try to alert you when I see it | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | .org is not what people naturally go for | Jan 02 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I like what germany does | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | just de | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | simplifies things | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | here we have many x.y.uk | Jan 02 15:56 |
| cubexyz | well all the important links point to cubeman.org so... | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | even for schools, academia | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | it's expensive, good for the Nominet bastards | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | they overprice this VIRTUAL good | Jan 02 15:56 |
| cubexyz | take important with a grain of salt :) | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | they don't even operate any name servers | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | they just maintain a bloody registry | Jan 02 15:56 |
| schestowitz | like those who do this with certs | Jan 02 15:56 |
| cubexyz | I think mine is $12 per year, not too bad | Jan 02 15:57 |
| schestowitz | they claim to be maintaining accuracy and checking it's up to date | Jan 02 15:57 |
| schestowitz | but in practice they just nag innocent holders | Jan 02 15:57 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes infringing their privacy | Jan 02 15:57 |
| cubexyz | I knew the guy who used to own cubeman.com | Jan 02 15:57 |
| cubexyz | we actually did some business together, but he's gone now | Jan 02 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I pay for boycotnovell.com, techrights.org+com 125 pounds every two years | Jan 02 15:58 |
| schestowitz | that's almost $200 | Jan 02 15:58 |
| schestowitz | A ripoff, but that's how my host makes more money easily, hosting is usually cheaper | Jan 02 15:58 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: gone meaning dead? or not in touch anymore? | Jan 02 15:58 |
| schestowitz | or the domain is gone? | Jan 02 15:58 |
| cubexyz | no, just the domain is gone | Jan 02 15:59 |
| cubexyz | not sure what the guy is doing now | Jan 02 15:59 |
| schestowitz | some people make a living just scooping up domains in bulk | Jan 02 15:59 |
| schestowitz | and spamming people over domain registrations | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | not sure how successful they are at it.. | Jan 02 16:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm having my 20th anniversary soon :) | Jan 02 16:00 |
| cubexyz | Jan 22nd, 1996 | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | same domain? | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | mine is just 13 years old | Jan 02 16:00 |
| cubexyz | no, just the web site | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | ah | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | my first site was set up in 1998 | Jan 02 16:00 |
| schestowitz | geocities | Jan 02 16:00 |
| cubexyz | the domain goes back to 2001 | Jan 02 16:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1997, but memory says 1998 | Jan 02 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I only got on the WWW around 1995 | Jan 02 16:01 |
| schestowitz | or maybe 1994 at the earliest | Jan 02 16:01 |
| cubexyz | I think my 1996 site is on archive.org :) | Jan 02 16:01 |
| schestowitz | irc was the killer app for me | Jan 02 16:02 |
| cubexyz | maybe not though | Jan 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz | speaking to strangers in other countries | Jan 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz | archive.org - how old is it? the archive? | Jan 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz | perhaps doesn't predate 1995 or thereabouts | Jan 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz | except for selected sites | Jan 02 16:02 |
| cubexyz | 1995 | Jan 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz | did the www (first page) 1991? | Jan 02 16:03 |
| schestowitz | *start | Jan 02 16:04 |
| schestowitz | i think the 25th anniversary was weeks ago | Jan 02 16:04 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember the internet before www | Jan 02 16:04 |
| cubexyz | I don't think anyone had a rubik's cube page until 1995, not too long before me | Jan 02 16:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/oss/index.html | Jan 02 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nintendo.co.jp | 任天堂製品に関連するオープンソースソフトウェアのソースコード配布ページ｜サポート情報｜Nintendo | Jan 02 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Some Nintendo products include open source software ("OSS") distributed under the terms of various open source licenses, including the GNU Library General Public License 2.0, the GNU Lesser General Public license 2.1, the Mozilla Public License Version 1.1, and the Mini-XML License (collectively, the "OSS Licenses"). This website is the OSS source code distribution page for such Nintendo products. Please select the relevant product from the | Jan 02 16:05 |
| schestowitz | list below to obtain more information about OSS included in that product." | Jan 02 16:05 |
| cubexyz | I had the fore-sight to record the exact day I started the cube site | Jan 02 16:07 |
| cubexyz | here's a rough history: | Jan 02 16:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/cube-site-history.txt | Jan 02 16:08 |
| cubexyz | my original ISP is long gone | Jan 02 16:08 |
| cubexyz | I started becoming aware of http around december 1994 | Jan 02 16:10 |
| cubexyz | but cube-lovers mailing list goes all the way back to 1981 | Jan 02 16:10 |
| cubexyz | that stuff was all recorded safely | Jan 02 16:11 |
| cubexyz | there were gateways into the internet, started using those in 1992 | Jan 02 16:11 |
| cubexyz | back in 1983 I read about people using computers to calculate rubik's cube processes using what they called a PDP-20 | Jan 02 16:14 |
| cubexyz | seemed miraculous :) | Jan 02 16:15 |
| cubexyz | that was really a DECSystem-20, but they shortened that to PDP-20 | Jan 02 16:16 |
| cubexyz | those machines went back pretty far, back to 1979 I think | Jan 02 16:18 |
| cubexyz | I still have my vic-20 from 1982 and it still works | Jan 02 16:20 |
| cubexyz | I think the creation of KDE was a very significant thing | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <cubexyz> my original ISP is long gone | Jan 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jan 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Not Bell then I gather... | Jan 02 16:24 |
| cubexyz | not only is dis gone but barely any traces of it exist now | Jan 02 16:24 |
| cubexyz | dis = Durham Internet Services | Jan 02 16:25 |
| cubexyz | maybe on archive.org | Jan 02 16:25 |
| cubexyz | you might find a few traces of it's existance | Jan 02 16:25 |
| cubexyz | you can google http://admin.dis.on.ca/~cubeman and find a little info | Jan 02 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'admin.dis.on.ca' ( status 0 @ http://admin.dis.on.ca/~cubeman ) | Jan 02 16:27 | |
| cubexyz | in the earlier days we had geographical type URLs | Jan 02 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Nutzwert/status/683395535269662724 | Jan 02 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nutzwert: Twitter-Webseiten duch Spyware aufgebläht? https://t.co/555wsoKTe3 | Jan 02 17:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "If you open that tweet in a browser, you'll see the page is 900 KB big. " https://t.co/kkRJtay4Bh #twitter bloated with spyware | Jan 02 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | hey guys | Jan 02 18:18 |
| schestowitz | can you recommend RSS feeds for alt news? | Jan 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | esp. environment, maybe a bit on poltics? | Jan 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I think I already have the important FOSS ones, just trying to build up on patents and other areas | Jan 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | msb_: non-pro-Russia ones would be of use | Jan 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | like RT and Moscow Times | Jan 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a small niche as it is | Jan 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | many alt news sites just link or repost each other | Jan 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | or some dodgy blogs at times | Jan 02 18:20 |
| MinceR | RT is garbage | Jan 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jan 02 18:20 |
| MinceR | reddit used to be fine but now it's garbage too | Jan 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | but it can help where US errs | Jan 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | because it covers just about any potentially anti-US story | Jan 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | inc. police violence | Jan 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | reddit is garbage | Jan 02 18:21 |
| MinceR | just as easily it can make up any potentially anti-US story | Jan 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | but I now RSS-syndicate the Linux section, then need to filter out the forum-like junk | Jan 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they just highlight some FOSS thing no other site of FOSS "planet" does | Jan 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: RT doesn't break stories as such | Jan 02 18:22 |
| schestowitz | sometimes interviews US dissidents, but anyway... | Jan 02 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Is there any site you use a lot | Jan 02 18:22 |
| schestowitz | medusa or something... is it legit? | Jan 02 18:22 |
| MinceR | i haven't read news much for a long time | Jan 02 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I think that one is very anti-Russia, or at least anti-Putin | Jan 02 18:22 |
| MinceR | i had some entries in my feed reader but haven't looked at them in years | Jan 02 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I want to fix my feeds for the coming year | Jan 02 18:22 |
| MinceR | and most of those aren't that great either | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Rianne and I decided not to touch drones and CIA crap | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | because it's way too off topic | Jan 02 18:23 |
| MinceR | i should write a new feed reader | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | no need | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | FOSS code is out there | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | you can integrate some | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | like we did in Wiki of techrights before | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | magpie RSS for instance | Jan 02 18:23 |
| MinceR | afaict none of them do it correctly | Jan 02 18:23 |
| schestowitz | handy scriipts and tools for grabbing RSS feeds and output as HTML | Jan 02 18:23 |
| MinceR | they all just stuff the items into an sql database and expect you to delete old items | Jan 02 18:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can browse github, Slated (used to be here) wrote one | Jan 02 18:24 |
| MinceR | if you don't, they slow to a crawl and gobble memory | Jan 02 18:24 |
| schestowitz | But you still need a good raw source | Jan 02 18:24 |
| MinceR | i have plans for a filesystem-based one | Jan 02 18:24 |
| schestowitz | someone is now sending me Spanish translations for techrights again, first time in 4 years... | Jan 02 18:24 |
| schestowitz | (helps in EPO coverage, for Spanish readers in Europe) | Jan 02 18:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there's a FS based around p2p now | Jan 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | seen that in reddit today, two such things even | Jan 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | it's very popular there right now, a torrent based storage thing (not sure I recall if FS) | Jan 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | the Web is shite | Jan 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Jan 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | it used to have blogs | Jan 02 18:26 |
| MinceR | np, it is | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | now a lot of bloggers moved to twitter and FB | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | and this is where they post meaningless drivel | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | one has to do so too in order to 'keep up' | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Now twitter two increases surveillance and censorship | Jan 02 18:26 |
| MinceR | w3c, tbl and mozilla have all dropped the ball | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | and there are not many ACTIVE sites that do real news | Jan 02 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Just the usual corporate news stuff and twitter users who link to these | Jan 02 18:27 |
| schestowitz | mozilla has a blog, maybe I can add that... | Jan 02 18:27 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: "<schestowitz> msb_: non-pro-Russia ones would be of use...like RT and Moscow Times" Where are you getting these from? I don't link to Moscow Times. | Jan 02 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say you did | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | but Putin has a propagnda network going | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | several inter-connected sites | Jan 02 18:28 |
| msb_ | Why did you address your post to me? | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | the US has those two | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | AP in the mix | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | and AFP from France | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Reuters... | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the whole alternative business | Jan 02 18:28 |
| msb_ | NYT, CNN, Fox... | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | truthdig, counterpunch, reason etc. | Jan 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Viacom, News Corp, CBS... | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | The real owners | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | f*ck em | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I need something to help me avoid these | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | where possible.. | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | and be in English, still.. | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | lastest from Mozilla is this: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/17/firefox-users-can-now-watch-netflix-html5-video-on-windows/ | Jan 02 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox Users Can Now Watch Netflix HTML5 Video on Windows | The Mozilla Blog [ http://ur1.ca/odink ] | Jan 02 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | yay, DRM | Jan 02 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Windows-only | Jan 02 18:30 |
| schestowitz | go mozilla... | Jan 02 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Netflix.. | Jan 02 18:30 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.mozilla.org/ | Jan 02 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | The Mozilla Blog | News, notes and ramblings from the Mozilla project | Jan 02 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | they seem to be using wordpress | Jan 02 18:30 |
| schestowitz | phoronix is iffy | Jan 02 18:31 |
| schestowitz | and it scrapes the bottom of the barrel for stories these days (for 2 years now) | Jan 02 18:32 |
| msb_ | I believe you'll find that truthdig and counterpunch agree with RT. If you think that RT is distorting any news, would you please give me details? | Jan 02 18:32 |
| schestowitz | every small patch that relates to a driver becomes "news" | Jan 02 18:32 |
| schestowitz | and phoronix does a lot of self-promotion, which is annoying | Jan 02 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "my garage" posts, "gimme money", new PTS version, best of [MONTH] in Phoronix... | Jan 02 18:32 |
| schestowitz | I need to toss that aside | Jan 02 18:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe will watch techdirt more closely instead, they're still quite goods | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | *good | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | [23:32] <msb_> I believe you'll find that truthdig and counterpunch agree with RT. If you think that RT is distorting any news, would you please give me details? | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | They don't always agree | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | and they don't cross-post, either | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | let's see if Pilger's blog is active, still | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks in twitter is too noisy | Jan 02 18:33 |
| schestowitz | http://feeds.feedburner.com/johnpilger | Jan 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | he's not very active | Jan 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | last post in november | Jan 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | and just over a dozen in the whole year | Jan 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | lol, this rss feed is insane | Jan 02 18:35 |
| schestowitz | 369 items in it | Jan 02 18:35 |
| schestowitz | John needs to trim it, otherwise each polling for update is massive | Jan 02 18:36 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: You don't want "pro-Russia" sites. What do you think Russia has done wrong that should be reported on? | Jan 02 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested in Russia, it's too "politics" | Jan 02 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I need "real" news sites | Jan 02 18:36 |
| schestowitz | The Real News Network is video only, almost... | Jan 02 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Same for Democracy Now, I subscribed for articles, but they're very few | Jan 02 18:37 |
| MinceR | journalism is dead | Jan 02 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe that in a world with 7bn people, many of whom speak English, it's so hard to find news | Jan 02 18:37 |
| schestowitz | A lot is still stenography like AP-Gallup-Pew-Reuters, establishment think tanks as 'reporters' | Jan 02 18:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seems so | Jan 02 18:38 |
| schestowitz | even in English | Jan 02 18:38 |
| schestowitz | !google shelton adelson bought newspaper | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Why Did Sheldon Adelson Buy Nevada's Largest Newspaper? | http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/why-did-sheldon-adelson-buy-nevadas-largest-newspaper/421035/ | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Sheldon Adelson Bought the Wrong Newspaper - The New York ... | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/dealbook/sheldon-adelson-bought-the-wrong-newspaper.html | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Having Owned Up to Buying Newspaper, Adelsons Go Silent - The ... | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/media/sheldon-adelson-casino-magnate-is-buyer-of-las-vegas-review-journal.html | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Yes, Sheldon Adelson Bought The Las Vegas Review ... - Fortune | http://fortune.com/2015/12/16/sheldon-adelson-bought-the-las-vegas-review-tribune/ | Jan 02 18:38 |
| schestowitz | !google shelton adelson israel hayom propaganda | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Think About It: Sheldon Adelson and democracy - Opinion ... | http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Think-About-It-Sheldon-Adelson-and-democracy-381982 | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Real Ruler of Israel: Sheldon Adelson - Counterpunch | http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/13/the-real-ruler-of-israel-sheldon-adelson/ | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Everything You Need to Know About the Israel Hayom (Or anti ... | http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.626053 | Jan 02 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Israel Hayom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Hayom | Jan 02 18:38 |
| schestowitz | !google conservatives telegraph proopaganda | Jan 02 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Telegraph is the Torygraph again with this Conservative propaganda | http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/apr/01/telegraph-is-the-torygraph-again-with-this-conservative-propaganda | Jan 02 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - How the Conservatives orchestrated the letter from business leaders ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/how-the-conservatives-orchestrate-letters-from-business-leaders | Jan 02 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cameron accused of using public funds for Tory spin - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10762922/Cameron-accused-of-using-public-funds-for-Tory-spin.html | Jan 02 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Conservative Party - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/ | Jan 02 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Same for Koch and Gates in the US and abroad | Jan 02 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Koch mostly in the US | Jan 02 18:39 |
| schestowitz | CBS bought CNET | Jan 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | also ZDNet | Jan 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | so a lot of tech 'news' is garbage | Jan 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | GigaOM is dead, sort of trying to come back to life, but it took money from Microsoft and it shows ("loves Linux" etc.) | Jan 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | QuinStreet bought many Linux sites | Jan 02 18:40 |
| schestowitz | JupiterMedia is kaput because of it | Jan 02 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Datamation, Linux Today, Linux Planet... | Jan 02 18:41 |
| schestowitz | They nearly killed LinuxDevices | Jan 02 18:41 |
| schestowitz | We managed to pressure them to give the old articles to Linux Gizmos, which is a great site | Jan 02 18:41 |
| schestowitz | DesktopLinux.com is permanently dead, except in the Internet Archive | Jan 02 18:41 |
| schestowitz | WTF is going on? | Jan 02 18:42 |
| schestowitz | More Internet.... but less news | Jan 02 18:42 |
| schestowitz | More FB, Twitter, other crap | Jan 02 18:42 |
| schestowitz | and fewer RSS feeds, too | Jan 02 18:42 |
| schestowitz | opensource.com is full of Red Hat's propaganda | Jan 02 18:42 |
| schestowitz | so it's not a 'real' news site | Jan 02 18:42 |
| schestowitz | just something to keep people around.... until Red Hat posts their ads that look like articles | Jan 02 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Softpedia has been quite good | Jan 02 18:43 |
| schestowitz | When they added a new writer dedicated just to Linux and then Marius joined to help him | Jan 02 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Where do people now get their news, if anyway... | Jan 02 18:44 |
| cubexyz | scientists... | Jan 02 18:49 |
| cubexyz | EPA, Nasa, http://www.sciencenews.org | Jan 02 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencenews.org | Science News | Daily news articles, blogs and biweekly magazine covering all areas of science | Jan 02 18:49 | |
| cubexyz | mass media isn't that good | Jan 02 18:50 |
| cubexyz | as you said before schestowitz... grass roots blogs | Jan 02 18:51 |
| cubexyz | no one is paid :) | Jan 02 18:52 |
| cubexyz | no reason to distort things | Jan 02 18:52 |
| cubexyz | stallman, perens, etc | Jan 02 18:53 |
| cubexyz | just don't even bother with ABC, CBS, NBC | Jan 02 18:54 |
| cubexyz | there's a word for that: infotainment | Jan 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2015/11/21/inhuman-monsters-islamic-state-vs-saudi-arabia/ | Jan 02 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wemeantwell.com | Inhuman Monsters: Islamic State vs Saudi Arabia | Ghosts of Tom Joad - Peter Van Buren | Jan 02 18:56 | |
| cubexyz | you want real news? OK: | Jan 02 18:56 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: RMS has no blog, it's more like a twitter feed | Jan 02 18:56 |
| schestowitz | self-hosted by him, not articles | Jan 02 18:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F | Jan 02 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pmel.noaa.gov | What is Ocean Acidification? [ http://ur1.ca/odips ] | Jan 02 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | it's not a news site though | Jan 02 18:56 |
| cubexyz | I thought http://www.stallman.org was his blog | Jan 02 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page | Jan 02 18:56 | |
| cubexyz | well check the NOAA anyway :) | Jan 02 18:58 |
| cubexyz | kind of important | Jan 02 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I will, hang on... | Jan 02 18:59 |
| cubexyz | http://www.noaa.gov | Jan 02 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noaa.gov | NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration | Jan 02 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | Salon is iffy | Jan 02 19:00 |
| cubexyz | http://scienceliteracy.ca | Jan 02 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scienceliteracy.ca | | Jan 02 19:01 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: no RSS feed in NOAA | Jan 02 19:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: look at the titles in the CA site | Jan 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | very generic | Jan 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Not really a news site | Jan 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | and last update was Sept. | Jan 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I've added WeMeantWell and EmptyWheel | Jan 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Because they're usually quite good, just never got around to RSS feeds there.. | Jan 02 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I am stick of twitter | Jan 02 19:03 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, why not make http://www.techrights.org/science | Jan 02 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/science ) | Jan 02 19:03 | |
| cubexyz | or something like that | Jan 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | a lot of people just take their activity there, and I had to as well..... because that's the trend, apparently... | Jan 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: who would run it? | Jan 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | there's a "science" category in daily links | Jan 02 19:03 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jan 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | it's easy to create a blog | Jan 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz | takes a few minutes | Jan 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz | running it for years is a huge commitment | Jan 02 19:04 |
| cubexyz | well it could just be a page of links | Jan 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I created accounts for some people, but they only ever wrote a handful of articles | Jan 02 19:04 |
| cubexyz | doesn't have to be super fancy | Jan 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz | links to news? | Jan 02 19:04 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines has many pages with live feeds in them, for FOSS matters | Jan 02 19:04 |
| cubexyz | ok there's: | Jan 02 19:05 |
| cubexyz | http://www.nws.noaa.gov/rss | Jan 02 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nws.noaa.gov | RSS Libraries and Podcast - NOAA's National Weather Service | Jan 02 19:05 | |
| cubexyz | http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/rss.html | Jan 02 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oceanservice.noaa.gov | National Ocean Service RSS Feed Library | Jan 02 19:06 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.epa.gov/newsroom/feeds | Jan 02 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epa.gov | Feeds | Newsroom | US EPA | Jan 02 19:07 | |
| cubexyz | but I guess mostly you want to concentrate on tech news | Jan 02 19:09 |
| cubexyz | just throwing out ideas here and there | Jan 02 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I got some ideas for a KDE blog post | Jan 02 19:12 |
| cubexyz | here's another one on deforestation: | Jan 02 19:15 |
| cubexyz | http://agriculture.einnews.com/news/deforestation | Jan 02 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-agriculture.einnews.com | Deforestation RSS News Feed & Press Release Distribution - Agriculture Industry Today - EIN News | Jan 02 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | epa is good | Jan 02 19:16 |
| schestowitz | adding... | Jan 02 19:16 |
| schestowitz | "30-day free trial" | Jan 02 19:17 |
| schestowitz | http://agriculture.einnews.com/my-rss/start | Jan 02 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-agriculture.einnews.com | [ http://ur1.ca/odirh ] | Jan 02 19:17 | |
| schestowitz | dafaq | Jan 02 19:18 |
| schestowitz | wait, it's just some service, not the original | Jan 02 19:18 |
| schestowitz | http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/RSS/epa_recentnews?opendocument | Jan 02 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/rss/nosnews.xml 148 items | Jan 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | feed needs trimming | Jan 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nws.noaa.gov/rss/ very US-centric | Jan 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | like weather reports | Jan 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | so not really a news site | Jan 02 19:22 |
| cubexyz | each country has their rough equivalent | Jan 02 19:23 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Canada has Environment Canada | Jan 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | yeah, would only interest locals | Jan 02 19:24 |
| cubexyz | I don't know if there's a world-wide environmental organization | Jan 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | not much intl' ramification | Jan 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | not even if it's the weather is in World Police or Five Eyes | Jan 02 19:24 |
| cubexyz | it sounds like a good idea though :) | Jan 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I hardly follow even our own weather at this level of details | Jan 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I check BBC weather about 5 times a day | Jan 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to identify feeds that will help gather news that matters, not just for FOSS | Jan 02 19:25 |
| cubexyz | there's the WNO = World Nature Organization | Jan 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz | For tuxmachines I do have that for linux and foss, I'm seeing almost everything that's going on and quite quickly too | Jan 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz | do they have a news RSS feed? | Jan 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I added about 20 RSS feeds tonight | Jan 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | they'll end up feeding, with discretion, the daily links and other things | Jan 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I deleted lots of crap feeds, moved them to another pile | Jan 02 19:26 |
| cubexyz | WNO doesn't have rss as far as I can see | Jan 02 19:27 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-3.5-krename-worth-a-look.png | Jan 02 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what to do in 2016 news-wise | Jan 02 19:30 |
| schestowitz | could write 10 articles a day | Jan 02 19:30 |
| cubexyz | don't think krename is part of kdeutils but it should be | Jan 02 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but then less so in tux machines in so-called 'social' media | Jan 02 19:30 |
| cubexyz | very powerful program | Jan 02 19:30 |
| schestowitz | wow, qt3 looks so familiar but nostalgic | Jan 02 19:30 |
| schestowitz | this is the widget set whose name I forgot | Jan 02 19:30 |
| schestowitz | was it plastiK? | Jan 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | in kde4 oxygen and curve took over | Jan 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | qt5 has this ugly 'breeze' thing | Jan 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | I can still start plasmashell from openbox | Jan 02 19:31 |
| schestowitz | but I never do, no point to it unless I need klipper | Jan 02 19:31 |
| cubexyz | I remember there was kde-look.org | Jan 02 19:31 |
| cubexyz | I tend to stick with things I like :) | Jan 02 19:32 |
| cubexyz | so if I like KDE 3.5.X then I tend to keep using it | Jan 02 19:33 |
| cubexyz | in fact, I tend to keep different snapshots of software from different eras | Jan 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe you can make a business out of it | Jan 02 19:35 |
| cubexyz | :) | Jan 02 19:35 |
| cubexyz | yeah why not | Jan 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | some people might want to have a kde3 box shipped to them | Jan 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | for backward compatibility for instance, e.g. in CERN | Jan 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I thought about going to kde3 before ending up with openbox | Jan 02 19:35 |
| cubexyz | well you know about trinity so there is some interest for sure | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I was MOST efficient with KDE3 and that was ages ago, more than a decade | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I had PAGER | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | kde4 never really got a decent pager | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | it had good wallpaper shufflers | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | it was fast, | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva 2008 spring came with opengl effects in kwin | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | and these worked well | Jan 02 19:36 |
| schestowitz | pusleaudio was a sore spot at the time | Jan 02 19:37 |
| cubexyz | I maintain a develop system for KDE 3.5.10 as well | Jan 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll move to KDE 3.5 one day | Jan 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | it's not secure on paper, but spies have off-the-shelf tools for more recent builds | Jan 02 19:37 |
| cubexyz | I think you can intermix different eras of KDE if you really want to | Jan 02 19:37 |
| schestowitz | like new kate on kde3 base? | Jan 02 19:38 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jan 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Might be awkward | Jan 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | because you need different versions of kde installed at the same time | Jan 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | unless one thing runs in a VM | Jan 02 19:38 |
| cubexyz | that's basically what trinity does though | Jan 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | or a development environment with its own locally hosted binaries and dynamic links | Jan 02 19:38 |
| cubexyz | it has pseudo-KDE 3 and parts of newer KDE | Jan 02 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know, I though it still had all kate | Jan 02 19:39 |
| cubexyz | trinity uses /opt for some stuff | Jan 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | with missing features and all the old bugs | Jan 02 19:39 |
| cubexyz | and really at LGP we used gcc 3.X.X (forget exactly which one) for different things | Jan 02 19:40 |
| cubexyz | it was absolutely necessary | Jan 02 19:40 |
| cubexyz | years ago, I was worried that all the KDE stuff I really liked would disappear | Jan 02 19:43 |
| cubexyz | so I started stockpiling all the libraries and source code, everything I could find | Jan 02 19:43 |
| cubexyz | I have complete KDE 3.4.2 and complete KDE 3.5.10 | Jan 02 19:44 |
| cubexyz | plus a bunch of other good programs which aren't really part of any distro as far as I can tell | Jan 02 19:44 |
| cubexyz | most of the time the original maintainer is gone and sometimes there's no one to pick it up | Jan 02 19:45 |
| cubexyz | and basically KDE 3.5.10 stuff has started to disappear | Jan 02 19:46 |
| cubexyz | just purely as a pragmatic measure folks delete older KDE stuff | Jan 02 19:46 |
| cubexyz | so why not archive it... I'm glad I did | Jan 02 19:47 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde-3.5-krusader.png | Jan 02 19:49 |
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| cubexyz | at least krusader is in trinity | Jan 02 19:51 |
| MinceR | i guess it's part of kde turning into gnome | Jan 02 19:51 |
| MinceR | throw out features, throw out applications | Jan 02 19:52 |
| cubexyz | well I know for sure some stuff is probably lost | Jan 02 19:53 |
| cubexyz | there'no way all the older KDE development | Jan 02 19:54 |
| cubexyz | there's no way we have all the KDE development stuff | Jan 02 19:54 |
| cubexyz | KDE 3.5.10 yes | Jan 02 19:54 |
| cubexyz | older stuff, no | Jan 02 19:54 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: krusader is like a graphical mc? | Jan 02 19:58 |
| cubexyz | I think so | Jan 02 19:58 |
| cubexyz | I think my widget style was set to keramik | Jan 02 19:59 |
| msb_ | I tried it and it said I hadn't used it before and could it scan for what programs I had? I quit it. | Jan 02 20:00 |
| cubexyz | or KDE classic? | Jan 02 20:00 |
| cubexyz | one of those | Jan 02 20:00 |
| cubexyz | I built krusader from source | Jan 02 20:01 |
| msb_ | I'm very glad you have complete kde3.5.10 sources. They could save the world! | Jan 02 20:02 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/krusader-1.80.0.tar.gz | Jan 02 20:03 |
| cubexyz | it's not that big | Jan 02 20:03 |
| cubexyz | actually krename is probably more useful | Jan 02 20:04 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/krename-3.0.14.tar.bz2 | Jan 02 20:06 |
| cubexyz | over all I found KDE 3.5.10 a bit overly elaborate, but some parts were very good and worth closer analysis | Jan 02 20:07 |
| cubexyz | the KDE 1.0 developers argued quite logically that KDE 2 was bloated :) | Jan 02 20:09 |
| msb_ | Complex mass renaming can be done using sed in a bash script. You can identify and various parts of the filenames, rearrange them, remove some, add others, etc. | Jan 02 20:09 |
| cubexyz | but no one was crazy enough to make a modern KDE 1.0 distro | Jan 02 20:09 |
| msb_ | I meant "identify and extract" | Jan 02 20:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | likewise perl onelliner | Jan 02 20:12 |
| cubexyz | sometimes you want the full meal deal | Jan 02 20:12 |
| cubexyz | klipper + krename + kwhatever | Jan 02 20:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | krusty + klown | Jan 02 20:13 |
| msb_ | I prefer CLI and curses apps to GUI. Less hand motion, less hand-eye coordination, and cursor movements are automatically quantized. | Jan 02 20:18 |
| msb_ | Of course cli apps often need bash scripting. | Jan 02 20:18 |
| cubexyz | klipper was a huge improvement over xclipboard | Jan 02 20:19 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I think you were right about howtogeek, the top of every page says "Windows 10" - similar to what I think MS paid CBS/ZDNet to do http://www.howtogeek.com/189508/how-to-share-files-between-user-accounts-on-windows-linux-or-os-x/?PageSpeed=noscript | Jan 02 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Share Files Between User Accounts on Windows, Linux, or OS X | Jan 02 20:19 | |
| cubexyz | and every OEM too | Jan 02 20:20 |
| cubexyz | it's just brainwashing | Jan 02 20:20 |
| msb_ | I don't use any of klipper's features, just the fact that it can be loaded from CLI. | Jan 02 20:20 |
| cubexyz | I can't think of a better way to show features which are not often used than pull-down menus | Jan 02 20:21 |
| cubexyz | web browsers, paint programs etc | Jan 02 20:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubexyz: man pages? | Jan 02 20:22 |
| MinceR | i think i've seen CLI mass-rename utilities too | Jan 02 20:23 |
| cubexyz | that's great except you know that developers don't always write man pages | Jan 02 20:23 |
| cubexyz | I do, maybe even qu1j0t3 does | Jan 02 20:23 |
| cubexyz | but most don't | Jan 02 20:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubexyz: cli w/o man pages is hardly a recipe for success :) | Jan 02 20:24 |
| cubexyz | what's the most recent man page you wrote qu1j0t3 ? | Jan 02 20:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubexyz: hm okay, my CLI utilities have --help | Jan 02 20:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubexyz: but i rarely write them | Jan 02 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | I don't really think any program without documentation is going to go far, whether i write it or anyone else does. | Jan 02 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | unless of course it always does just what you want :-) | Jan 02 20:26 |
| cubexyz | how many young uns understand troff? | Jan 02 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | troff is a horrible markup. | Jan 02 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Jan 02 20:26 |
| cubexyz | ok well there you go | Jan 02 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | younguns seem to like markdown, but that'smediocre too. has the avantage of being sort of readable uncompiled (see also ReST). | Jan 02 20:27 |
| cubexyz | kids today click on help within the program | Jan 02 20:29 |
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| cubexyz | and you can just imagine what the windows crowd would say to me if I said 'man pages are the way to go' | Jan 02 20:30 |
| cubexyz | so I don't do that :) | Jan 02 20:30 |
| cubexyz | there's no universal help system | Jan 02 20:31 |
| cubexyz | most computers don't even have a help button | Jan 02 20:31 |
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| cubexyz | a while ago I programmed f1 to run xman | Jan 02 20:34 |
| cubexyz | xman is Xaw, Xmu, Xt | Jan 02 20:35 |
| cubexyz | there's khelpcenter man:ls | Jan 02 20:36 |
| cubexyz | don't know if current KDE still uses that | Jan 02 20:36 |
| MinceR | i prefer LaTeX to *roff :> | Jan 02 20:40 |
| cubexyz | how to geek is just a sham | Jan 02 20:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: indeed. | Jan 02 20:42 |
| cubexyz | I don't think there's anything wrong with writing man pages, it's just almost no one does | Jan 02 20:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | I would go further and say they are actually useful | Jan 02 20:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | but I grant you, troff is terrible. | Jan 02 20:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | which is partly why texinfo exists. | Jan 02 20:45 |
| cubexyz | maybe there's something that can convert to troff? | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | mostly it seems the utilities go the other way, troff to something else | Jan 02 20:50 |
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| MinceR | that doesn't rule out changes to existing files | Dec 27 00:01 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | but I think the tool makes syscalls of a different nature | Dec 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | example: | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [0] rt_sigsuspend(unewset=4, sigsetsize=0xe6e4c5ac) = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1] eventfd2(count=97, flags=2049) = 663 | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [2] fanotify_init(flags=24, event_f_flags=0xff3ffe89) = -1 (Operation not permitted) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [3] fanotify_mark(fanotify_fd=282, flags=5, mask=0, dfd=253, pathname="/proc/716/net/fib_trie") = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [4] syslog(type=0x1000000, buf=0, len=31) = -1 (Operation not permitted) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [5] readlinkat(dfd=405, pathname="/proc/2738/task/2742/net/ipv6_route", buf=0x80e8000[page_zeros], bufsiz=0x9847) = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [6] setfsuid(uid=0x100000) = 1000 | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [7] mq_unlink(u_name=0xb63c0000) = -1 (No such file or directory) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [8] writev(fd=405, vec=0x8b24b70, vlen=1) = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [9] setuid16(uid=0x8fffffff) = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [10] set_robust_list(head=4, len=12) = 0 | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [11] stime(tptr=1) = -1 (Bad address) | Dec 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1579] epoll_pwait(epfd=396, events=0xfffffff7, maxevents=0xf7fff000, timeout=0xfd0b6c6a) = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1580] munmap(addr=0xb6fc0000, len=0x200000) = 0 | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1581] ustat(dev=0x5d5d5d5d, ubuf=0) = -1 (Invalid argument) | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1582] sigpending(set=0) = -1 (Bad address) | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1583] umask(mask=0x42000080) = 80 | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1584] setfsuid(uid=0xffffffa6) = 1000 | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1585] pivot_root(new_root=0x80e8000[page_zeros], put_old=0xc0100220) = -1 (Operation not permitted) | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | [child0:6059] [1586] epoll_wait(epfd=405, events=1, maxevents=0x2000000, timeout=0xc0ea6a69) | Dec 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | there are some timer_delete and delete_module calls | Dec 27 00:16 |
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| cubexyz | Мы должны остановить американскую угрозу Microsoft для наших компьютеров. | Dec 27 00:53 |
| cubexyz | haha, close enough | Dec 27 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6929055 | Dec 27 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The one major downside of my focus on #epo (over 100 articles so far this month) is that I lack the time to write about attacks on FOSS | Dec 27 01:22 | |
| schestowitz | "yes, but the EPO is an attack on free software." | Dec 27 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Their endorsement of software patents is dangerous, plus the unitary patent that extends their juridical scope | Dec 27 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | msb__ the trinity fusser has always had warnings on it just like the Linux testing project. They can both let loss hell. | Dec 27 05:31 |
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| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/12/26/0224202 | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/12/26/0224202 ) | Dec 27 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | > == | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votebank | Dec 27 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Votebank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 27 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > not just in the US... | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/681079343850717184 | Dec 27 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz plagiarism? | Dec 27 11:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2438312/highs-and-lows-of-tech-in-20154 | Dec 27 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Highs and lows of tech in 2015- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/od0th ] | Dec 27 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | got some doc from EPO | Dec 27 13:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm back. | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | The document was made available to EPO staff, and management has | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | certainly seen it. | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I also had it, with a couple of other things, but I must confess that it | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | didn't get all my due attention. | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Let me sleep on it! | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Good night, | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | I fear that: | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 1. it would eliminate the privilege | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 2. distract from bigger scandals | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 3. won't change a think after the AC sessions anyway | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | But maybe my instincts here are incorrect. | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | "See the last 20 pages of the attached. This impacts existing, former, and future staff." | Dec 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JuneTranmer/status/681096743426113536 | Dec 27 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JuneTranmer: Oh #York - it could be so much worse... https://t.co/YDoiheHzyW | Dec 27 14:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: More than 100,000 flee El Niño flooding in Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay https://t.co/IARVwK3X0C xmas brings #globalwarming alert | Dec 27 14:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Got hold of: The corporate statutes of Europatis, a confirmation letter by a bank that the starting capital of €4000 had been duly deposited, and a shareholders' resolution naming Jacques Michel as the general manager. The shareholder structure may have evolved since, but I won't throw money just to update that information. | Dec 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz | EPO scandal, the latest of many | Dec 27 15:24 |
| cubexyz | oh it's #globalwarming for sure | Dec 27 16:35 |
| cubexyz | never in my life have I seen a december with no snow at all | Dec 27 16:35 |
| cubexyz | in Canada? years ago I would have said that's impossible | Dec 27 16:36 |
| cubexyz | unless we get snow in the last few days of 2015 | Dec 27 16:36 |
| msb__ | It's the methane from all those moose farts. | Dec 27 17:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/27/us-northkorea-computers-idUSKBN0UA0G920151227 | Dec 27 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com | Paranoid: North Korea's computer operating system mirrors its political one | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/od11u ] | Dec 27 17:20 | |
| MinceR | a sneak peek into our future | Dec 27 17:20 |
| MinceR | vista10 is the closest in feature parity | Dec 27 17:20 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 27 17:21 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiYGaL2aCOc | Dec 27 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MST3K Canada Song - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/od11w ] | Dec 27 17:23 | |
| schestowitz | [16:35] <cubexyz> never in my life have I seen a december with no snow at all | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Floods here | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | and warm | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | over 10 degrees | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | it's like fall/autumn | Dec 27 17:24 |
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| cubexyz | can't find any historical data for snowfall by year | Dec 27 17:39 |
| cubexyz | I have good temperature data from 2003 to 2010 after which I stopped recording | Dec 27 17:42 |
| cubexyz | I know when it snowed but not how much | Dec 27 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | cubelog: thanks for logging ;-) | Dec 27 18:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: the bot for twitter/tux machines is still down | Dec 27 18:53 |
| schestowitz | hard drive failure at the VPS, might be back soon, I hope, I think the maintainer is away on holiday | Dec 27 18:53 |
| schestowitz | don't trim IRC logs just yet, I will publish a big bundle some time soon, months' worth | Dec 27 18:54 |
| cubexyz | cubelog is still working I think | Dec 27 18:54 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 27 18:55 |
| schestowitz | it helps when I'm offline here | Dec 27 18:55 |
| cubexyz | yes, just tailed it | Dec 27 18:56 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the keyboard got bumped, but otherwise it's OK | Dec 27 18:56 |
| cubexyz | that's why I like to sit next to the server :) | Dec 27 18:57 |
| cubexyz | msb__, have you tried to run kpm recently? | Dec 27 19:01 |
| cubexyz | it botches up big time | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/UndercoverMutha/status/681055170273382400 | Dec 27 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UndercoverMutha: Good to see Putin is on it #floods https://t.co/jr1OCe7FQa | Dec 27 19:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UndercoverMutha: Good to see Putin is on it #floods https://t.co/jr1OCe7FQa | Dec 27 19:02 | |
| msb__ | cubexyz: what is kpm? | Dec 27 19:03 |
| cubexyz | it's part of kdeutils | Dec 27 19:04 |
| cubexyz | similar to top | Dec 27 19:04 |
| cubexyz | maybe some distros didn't bother including it | Dec 27 19:05 |
| msb__ | I don't think I've ever used it. It says "ksysguard: Unknown option 'showprocesses'" | Dec 27 19:05 |
| msb__ | I use kde4 system monitor. | Dec 27 19:05 |
| cubexyz | both kpm and ksysguard go crazy on me | Dec 27 19:06 |
| cubexyz | it worked fine in FC1 | Dec 27 19:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/fc1-kpm-ksysguard.png | Dec 27 19:11 |
| cubexyz | that's what it's supposed to look like, but somewhere down the road it got broken | Dec 27 19:11 |
| cubexyz | mostly I use htop anyways, just noting what happened | Dec 27 19:12 |
| cubexyz | what is the kde4 version called? | Dec 27 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ESD… | Dec 27 19:14 |
| msb__ | The KDE4 version is called ksysguard, same as the kde3 version I think. | Dec 27 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: How is it in comparison with plain ALSA, BTW? | Dec 27 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | was there any use of it back in a day? | Dec 27 19:16 |
| cubexyz | it's still running I think | Dec 27 19:16 |
| msb__ | The kde4 one also has another panel that shows graphs of cpu usage - both cores - memory usage and net traffic. | Dec 27 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | *-system-monitor is naming of GNOME and MATE | Dec 27 19:16 |
| cubexyz | but only on FC1, not on any other machine | Dec 27 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | mate-system-monitor | Dec 27 19:17 |
| cubexyz | yes, I used esd :) | Dec 27 19:17 |
| cubexyz | can't remember much about it | Dec 27 19:17 |
| cubexyz | except... | Dec 27 19:17 |
| cubexyz | mplayer file.mp3 -ao esd | Dec 27 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | I know about ESD only that it was superseded by PulseAudio. | Dec 27 19:17 |
| cubexyz | that's about all I remember :) | Dec 27 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: mplayer backend? :) | Dec 27 19:18 |
| msb__ | I'm confused. We were talking about process monitors and then switched over to audio systems?? | Dec 27 19:18 |
| cubexyz | blame XRevan86 | Dec 27 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: It's because I've noticed esd in the system monitor on cubexyz's screenshot :) | Dec 27 19:19 |
| cubexyz | what package is ksysguard in? | Dec 27 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ksysguard5 | Dec 27 19:19 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I can talk about xmms if you want :) | Dec 27 19:19 |
| msb__ | I use xmms. | Dec 27 19:20 |
| cubexyz | and xmmix | Dec 27 19:20 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: you're using kde5/plasma? | Dec 27 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I maintain Audacious in Packman :). | Dec 27 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: No, I still use MATE. | Dec 27 19:20 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard5? I haven't even tried ksysguard4 yet | Dec 27 19:21 |
| cubexyz | this must be how an Iphone user feels | Dec 27 19:21 |
| cubexyz | aha... guess what dudes, I have trinity-ksysguard :) | Dec 27 19:22 |
| cubexyz | just to make it even less straightforward | Dec 27 19:22 |
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| msb__ | I think ksysguard 4.6 is in the kde4 base package. | Dec 27 19:25 |
| msb__ | I just looked it up in what's left of the suse 11.4 repo. | Dec 27 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: rpm -qf $(which ksysguard) | Dec 27 19:26 |
| cubexyz | and trinity ksysguard is also broken :-/ | Dec 27 19:26 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: which OS are you running? | Dec 27 19:27 |
| cubexyz | I run a bunch of different ones | Dec 27 19:27 |
| msb__ | which one is ksysguard broken on? | Dec 27 19:28 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard seems kind of broken in q4os | Dec 27 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS? | Dec 27 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | Does it have ksysguard package? | Dec 27 19:28 |
| msb__ | but q4os uses trinity by default. | Dec 27 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ksysguard | Dec 27 19:29 |
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| cubexyz | this is q4os based on wheezy | Dec 27 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ksysguard | Dec 27 19:30 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Any questions? :) | Dec 27 19:30 |
| cubexyz | you're not listening | Dec 27 19:30 |
| cubexyz | I said ksysguard-trinity | Dec 27 19:30 |
| cubexyz | I don't know, maybe I can use both | Dec 27 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But does KDE4's KSysGuard work? | Dec 27 19:31 |
| cubexyz | don't know yet | Dec 27 19:31 |
| cubexyz | ok, it's loading | Dec 27 19:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe ksysguard-trinity is obsolete | Dec 27 19:32 |
| msb__ | package kdebase4-workspace-4.6.0-10.15.1.i586 | Dec 27 19:32 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: thanks, your command works | Dec 27 19:33 |
| cubexyz | ok, the result was.... ksysuard for KDE 4.8.4 works | Dec 27 19:33 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard-trinity does not work | Dec 27 19:34 |
| cubexyz | seems broken in KDE 3.5.10 also | Dec 27 19:34 |
| cubexyz | KDE 3.4.2 it did work | Dec 27 19:34 |
| cubexyz | I guess ksysguard-trinity wasn't important enough to fix | Dec 27 19:35 |
| msb__ | I'm running ksysguard 4.6 in kde 3.5.10 | Dec 27 19:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, that doesn't surprise me | Dec 27 19:35 |
| msb__ | If ksysguard in trinity is broken I'm sure the trinity folks would want to know about it. That's a very important program. | Dec 27 19:36 |
| msb__ | What version of TDE does q4os use? | Dec 27 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What do you think about xfce4-taskmanager? | Dec 27 19:36 |
| cubexyz | I only have xfce4 on openbsd, and I don't think I've actually tried xfce4-taskmanager | Dec 27 19:37 |
| msb__ | ksysguard 4.6 also has a panel of temperature graphs (which I set up) | Dec 27 19:38 |
| cubexyz | what's the best way to tell which trinity I have? | Dec 27 19:38 |
| msb__ | the cpu, mem, net graphs are very nice. You can set the scales, colors, speed, etc. | Dec 27 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: aptitude show trinity-desktop, I suppose | Dec 27 19:39 |
| msb__ | the process table sometimes shows processes that are no longer actually existing. If I care, I restart it. | Dec 27 19:39 |
| msb__ | problem with q4os is who do you talk to? nobody in its irc channel. | Dec 27 19:40 |
| cubexyz | me I guess :) | Dec 27 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | * aptitude show tdebase-trinity | Dec 27 19:40 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, no command called aptitude | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | apt show ? | Dec 27 19:41 |
| cubexyz | no command called apt | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: aptitude is just so awesome, I don't know why Debian folk dropped it. | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: apt-cache show %) | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | yeah, apt is a jessie+ thing | Dec 27 19:42 |
| cubexyz | ok... this is fun... no package called tdebase-trinity | Dec 27 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | apt-cache search trinity | Dec 27 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Wheezy_.28Debian_7.x.29 | Dec 27 19:42 |
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| cubexyz | ok... it was in my notes :-P | Dec 27 19:44 |
| cubexyz | kde trinity 3.5.13.2 | Dec 27 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Try updating. | Dec 27 19:44 |
| msb__ | Yeah, what could possibly go wrong. | Dec 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | ok, why not :) | Dec 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | has trinity updated since 3.5.13.2? | Dec 27 19:45 |
| msb__ | Thermonuclear flash reported from Canada!!! | Dec 27 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | > TDE R14.0.2 | Dec 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | why would they maintain two ksysguard's? | Dec 27 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Who maintains two ksysguard's? | Dec 27 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | Debian maintains one, Q4OS maintains another. All in all two ksysguard's :). | Dec 27 19:47 |
| cubexyz | well there is two......right | Dec 27 19:47 |
| cubexyz | and in fact I have at least three versions | Dec 27 19:47 |
| msb__ | q4os uses the one from trinity, but apparently an old trinity | Dec 27 19:48 |
| cubexyz | it's ok for now | Dec 27 19:48 |
| cubexyz | don't really use ksysguard anyways | Dec 27 19:49 |
| cubexyz | at some point ksysguard got broken, probably because something it depends on got changed | Dec 27 19:50 |
| msb__ | The cpu and memory graphs are extremely useful. Tells you what your system is doing. | Dec 27 19:51 |
| cubexyz | something far worse happened at HP and to computing in general :-/ | Dec 27 19:51 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I mind just write my own | Dec 27 19:52 |
| cubexyz | s/mind/might/ | Dec 27 19:53 |
| msb__ | I worked at HP once. Great lunchroom, idiot managers. | Dec 27 19:53 |
| cubexyz | well I think you would like HP even less now | Dec 27 19:53 |
| msb__ | The bastards wanted big bucks to talk to me on the phone when their shitty inkjet printer stopped working. | Dec 27 19:55 |
| cubexyz | what I find very interesting is the old timers I talk to still rave about PDP-11 | Dec 27 19:55 |
| cubexyz | yes, HP isn't what it used to be | Dec 27 19:56 |
| msb__ | I want a LINC! | Dec 27 19:56 |
| msb__ | The printer is designed so that if one of dozens of tiny ink-holes gets clogged up, its tiny heater burns out. There's a sensor system that tests all the heaters, and if one of them is burned out, it makes you buy a whole new $30 ink cartridge. | Dec 27 19:57 |
| msb__ | It's a total criminal racket! | Dec 27 19:58 |
| cubexyz | use the older tech | Dec 27 19:58 |
| cubexyz | e.g. HP laserjet 5 | Dec 27 19:58 |
| cubexyz | there's tons of surplus carts for it on ebay | Dec 27 19:59 |
| cubexyz | the toner is pretty chemically stable | Dec 27 19:59 |
| msb__ | I paid $350 for that printer, back when that was real money. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| msb__ | Then I got a $75 laser printer that said on the box it worked with Linux, and it did. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| cubexyz | I hear epson isn't too bad | Dec 27 20:03 |
| cubexyz | about a year ago I cleared out an office which had a HP laserjet 5 | Dec 27 20:04 |
| cubexyz | fixed it... put a new toner cart in | Dec 27 20:04 |
| cubexyz | works great | Dec 27 20:04 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If you try to write a process monitor as good as ksysguard 4.6 it will be a huge project, if you want the moving graphs. | Dec 27 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Psst, just take the code from ksysguard. | Dec 27 20:08 |
| msb__ | Better to run a Linux that has active maintenance. | Dec 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/681204916770181120 | Dec 27 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz what DTM are you using? | Dec 27 20:08 | |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Like… openSUSE 11.4? | Dec 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | openbox+xbinfkeys+fed for wallpaper (that's it) | Dec 27 20:08 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Dec 27 20:08 |
| cubexyz | only for older systems guys :) | Dec 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | *xbindkeys+feh | Dec 27 20:09 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't bother on newer ones | Dec 27 20:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If you can find suse 11.4 then I can tell you how to do stuff. | Dec 27 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: You have an interesting perspective on what's actively maintained %). | Dec 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | msb__: cubexyz still not seen any damage caused by trinity BTW, hopefully will never see anything, but might blame any file I perceive as mysteriously missing as a possible outcome of trinity, like back in the early days of ext4, which it silently killed some small files | Dec 27 20:10 |
| msb__ | You only need that if stuff doesn't work. All my stuff does work. | Dec 27 20:10 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I have to keep up my BSD skills too | Dec 27 20:11 |
| cubexyz | just in case | Dec 27 20:11 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Ha! I still use ext3. | Dec 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | why not? | Dec 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | though IIRC maintenance of it will be deprecated | Dec 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I read some things on phoronix about it, but given old red hat with 10-year support cycle I guess ext3 will be kept going by someone | Dec 27 20:12 |
| schestowitz | like shishkin and reiserfs | Dec 27 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | ext3 driver is already gone | Dec 27 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | ext4 driver can work with ext3 | Dec 27 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | apparently it can go on forever, as nobody's gonna drop ext4 driver :) | Dec 27 20:13 |
| cubexyz | guys, I still patch icheck from the 1970s :) | Dec 27 20:13 |
| cubexyz | there's no death in software | Dec 27 20:13 |
| schestowitz | depends on dependencies | Dec 27 20:14 |
| cubexyz | I mean ext2 still works, it didn't magically stop working | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | if you want kde3 you need qt3 | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and for this you might need old libc or whatever | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and down it goes to the architecture, which may in turn be deprecated | Dec 27 20:14 |
| cubexyz | sure, but I have a separate machine for that | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | so some hypohtetical future board would not be able to run kde3 | Dec 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | compiler lapse | Dec 27 20:15 |
| cubexyz | so I recap my old motherboard | Dec 27 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It is not possible to run GNOME 2 on modern systems anymore. | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I have a question | Dec 27 20:16 |
| cubexyz | don't worry, I'll have my new machines as well :) | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | my old PC wouldn't boot | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | not even POST anymore | Dec 27 20:16 |
| cubexyz | is this P4? | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I disconnected, separately, just about anything | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | it's a 2008 PC, newer than P4 | Dec 27 20:16 |
| cubexyz | ok | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm not even sure which component is the issue | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | doesn't seem like a fan issue, they run fast and strong | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | a xmas project of mine was to revive this machine | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | well it could need new caps | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: why not? | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | bios re-flashed, stuff like that | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | caps? | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | capacitors | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | as in those diodes? | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | They do look worn out | Dec 27 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Something concerning glib and also upower. | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | like they may have partially popped, there's a line of about 4 of them | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | are these near the CPU? | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | And can they be manually replaced without soldering, if they're at all the issue | Dec 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | i think you can add panels to the kde3 one too | Dec 27 20:18 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the caps are next to the cpu socket(s) | Dec 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | ksysguard, that is | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | kde3 was, to my memory, technically better for work than kde4 | Dec 27 20:19 |
| cubexyz | it wouldn't be ksysguard if I rewrite it :) | Dec 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I last used kde3 in late 2012 | Dec 27 20:19 |
| cubexyz | it would be motif-sysguard | Dec 27 20:19 |
| cubexyz | but htop is probably good enough | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I assumed kde plasma5/framework5 was inevitable and would improve over time | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | after 8 months I no longer believe that | Dec 27 20:20 |
| cubexyz | maybe the BSD guys fixed ksysguard | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | there aren't even many plasmoids for it | Dec 27 20:20 |
| cubexyz | I haven't looked at that yet | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine from Uni, John tapsell, was ksysguard maintainer for a while. He worked for Nokia last I checked... | Dec 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | So I guess now that Microsoft rendered Nokia dead he moved on | Dec 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: any point to fixing the caps? | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | (if they're the problem at all) | Dec 27 20:22 |
| cubexyz | just replace them | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | And what behaviour should I expect if they're bust | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | the PC just RARELY reached post | Dec 27 20:22 |
| cubexyz | discolouration, bad smell | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | it shuts down around POST time and now it rarely reached POST | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the tools for soldering | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and a repair shop would charge as much as a new tablet | Dec 27 20:23 |
| cubexyz | you don't have to do it yourself, just find a good tech that will give you a quote | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll try that | Dec 27 20:23 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the UK has one :) | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | issue is, the hard drive is partly bust | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | so it's investing in a barely working PC | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: what would be the symptoms of cap issue? | Dec 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | it used to shut down on its own once a week | Dec 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | and more frequently over time | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | in summer it overheats | Dec 27 20:25 |
| cubexyz | exactly what you described... shutdown after a POST | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | and forced into shutdown when cpu meters say 120 degrees exactly | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | it no longer reaches post | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes a red light is lit as soon as I hit power | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | indicating some circular error | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | but very immediately | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | at the very moment I hit power | Dec 27 20:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, more practical suggestion... find a motherboard that doesn't overheat that has tantalum capacitors | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | days ago I managed to just get to boot menu briefly | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | only twice | Dec 27 20:26 |
| cubexyz | those can last >20 years | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | they would cost more than a new PC | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | inc. installation etc. | Dec 27 20:27 |
| cubexyz | some stuff really is junk | Dec 27 20:27 |
| schestowitz | like this PC after all that work | Dec 27 20:27 |
| schestowitz | worked 24/7 for 7+ years | Dec 27 20:27 |
| schestowitz | the GPU went bust | Dec 27 20:28 |
| schestowitz | removed from the board to allow it to boot | Dec 27 20:28 |
| schestowitz | HDD has bad sectors... | Dec 27 20:28 |
| cubexyz | I see a ton of broken PCs but the ones that lasted the longest were pre-P4 machines | Dec 27 20:28 |
| schestowitz | this machine is already set up for some of my work | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | and buying anew means config work | Dec 27 20:29 |
| cubexyz | heat kills | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | but I already wasted many hours trying to get it back to life | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm still not convinced that capacitors are the issue | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | A month ago I managed to get it to boot into KDE desktop | Dec 27 20:30 |
| schestowitz | then I suppose it overheated and died | Dec 27 20:30 |
| schestowitz | (again) | Dec 27 20:30 |
| cubexyz | see, my Amiga 500 still works, it just doesn't get hot | Dec 27 20:30 |
| cubexyz | it was made in 1987 :) | Dec 27 20:30 |
| msb__ | I don't think it's worthwhile trying to troubleshoot and fix a motherboard. | Dec 27 20:30 |
| schestowitz | it's educational | Dec 27 20:31 |
| msb__ | They only cost $100-200 -- about as much as a good cpu chip. | Dec 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | the only upside of it | Dec 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | well look at PDP-1 or LINC or IBM 1130 | Dec 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | guys spent years on it | Dec 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | so it depends | Dec 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | dismantling the components and seeing the effects (as long as I don't get electrocuted) | Dec 27 20:31 |
| msb__ | You can troubleshoot those with an oscilloscope IF you have the schematics. | Dec 27 20:32 |
| cubexyz | Sun microsystem motherboards had a stabilizer bar that kept the motherboard from flexing too much | Dec 27 20:33 |
| cubexyz | so there are definitely things you can do to make stuff last longer | Dec 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I doubt even a refurbisher would know how to fix this box | Dec 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | it where I wrote like 15,000 techrights articles | Dec 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | the joy/curiosity trying to keep it going or fix it is gone by now | Dec 27 20:34 |
| msb__ | A computer has 5 components -- CPU, mobo, case/PS, disk, display. They all cost about the same -- $100-200. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| msb__ | They are all replaceable. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| msb__ | Oh, I forgot memory, that's 6. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| msb__ | All your data is on the old disk, which you can copy onto the new one. | Dec 27 20:37 |
| cubexyz | some people in the UK use: http://www.odyssey.co.uk | Dec 27 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.odyssey.co.uk | Odyssey Technologies, IT Repairs: Laptop, EPOS, Tape Drive | Dec 27 20:38 | |
| cubexyz | free assessment | Dec 27 20:38 |
| msb__ | If you have a memory problem, you can determine which stick is bad. | Dec 27 20:38 |
| msb__ | Other than that, just buy a new component. | Dec 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | just went downstairs to test it again | Dec 27 20:40 |
| msb__ | Laptops are a whole other aggravation. | Dec 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | it's a winfast motherboard | Dec 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | both blue and red lights on at the same time | Dec 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll give you another example... | Dec 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | I know my Amiga 500 fairly well. | Dec 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | so if it did break I'm pretty confident I could fix it | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | so it depends on the device | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | it has lots of socketed chips, it's easy to get at | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | more modern stuff is more difficult | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | also the chips are spaced fairly far apart | Dec 27 20:43 |
| cubexyz | millions were made, it's not hard to find parts | Dec 27 20:43 |
| cubexyz | odyssey has a pretty good reputation | Dec 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/213448-31-boot-shows-beeps-signal-monitor | Dec 27 20:49 |
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| cubexyz | also clean the memory sockets :) | Dec 27 20:50 |
| cubexyz | they can get crapped up | Dec 27 20:50 |
| cubexyz | some motherboards seem to attract dust and dirt | Dec 27 20:51 |
| cubexyz | also the suggestion of removing cards is a good one | Dec 27 20:52 |
| msb__ | Interchangeable parts is a very important concept. I think it was first used on rifles, where people had to file down a new piece of metal for each repair. Now they just take a new one out of a box of them. | Dec 27 20:56 |
| msb__ | I used to fix minicomputers that had discrete parts -- transistors. | Dec 27 20:56 |
| msb__ | Then they started using chips, but if I had schematics I could analyze those with a delayed-sweep oscilloscope. | Dec 27 20:57 |
| msb__ | Now a $500 desktop runs at microwave frequencies. | Dec 27 20:58 |
| msb__ | You'd need a $5000 sampling scope to analyze them, if you had schematics, which you don't, | Dec 27 20:58 |
| msb__ | That's all to fix a mobo that costs $100. | Dec 27 20:58 |
| cubexyz | but you could have a computer that runs a lot slower like 10 mhz | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | See, originally the replaceable part was a transistor. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | Then it was an IC -- a chip. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | Now it is a motherboard. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | When you can't see inside a thing, you have to replace it. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| cubexyz | old PDP's had flip-chips | Dec 27 21:00 |
| cubexyz | they were still integrated circuits I think | Dec 27 21:01 |
| msb__ | Yes, you can have a 10MHz clock computer, but you can't display videos on it, nor run complex software like X. | Dec 27 21:01 |
| msb__ | Flip-chips were little plugin boards, about 3x5 inches, that plugged into a wire-wrapped back panel. | Dec 27 21:02 |
| msb__ | They first had transistors, then ICs. | Dec 27 21:02 |
| cubexyz | uh, IBM RTs ran at 10 mhz and they ran X | Dec 27 21:02 |
| cubexyz | just saying | Dec 27 21:02 |
| cubexyz | X has been around a long time | Dec 27 21:03 |
| cubexyz | Amigas definitely ran video for TV stations back in the day | Dec 27 21:07 |
| msb__ | They probably _switched_ the video. I doubt that they processed it. | Dec 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | OK, wasted an hour reading about it, will make further attempts http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/tutorial-no-post-power-on-self-test.113137/ :/ | Dec 27 21:07 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: "No POST" means the mobo is fucked, buy a new one. Period. | Dec 27 21:08 |
| cubexyz | the Amiga could directly output to NTSC :) | Dec 27 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I'd say that's video | Dec 27 21:08 |
| cubexyz | the amiga's video chips can genlock, and match the NTSC video signal | Dec 27 21:11 |
| msb__ | OK, playing an old .avi, X takes 6% of my dual-core cpu, which I think runs at something like 2.8GHz. | Dec 27 21:11 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Try playing an x.264 video on it., | Dec 27 21:12 |
| cubexyz | I didn't say anything about avi, I merely said video | Dec 27 21:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Do check the power voltages before tossing the mobo. | Dec 27 21:13 |
| cubexyz | some TV stations used amigas, it's well documented | Dec 27 21:14 |
| cubexyz | the beginning of affordable CGI in fact | Dec 27 21:14 |
| msb__ | For today's needs, $500 will buy a dual-core capable of playing x265s if you balance it out carefully . | Dec 27 21:21 |
| msb__ | $1000 will buy an 8-core screamer that can encode x265s and edit videos. | Dec 27 21:21 |
| msb__ | Both of those use replaceable parts, so that if something dies, the most it will cost you is $100 or $200 respectively. And you don't need schematics or a sampling scope. | Dec 27 21:24 |
| msb__ | A $35 multimeter comes in handy, though. | Dec 27 21:28 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Actually, no POST might indicate a bad cpu. You could try running that cpu chip in a good computer that it's compatible with. Or try a known good cpu in yours. | Dec 27 21:38 |
| msb__ | This is like trying to fix a jet plane using chipped-flint tools. | Dec 27 21:39 |
| cubexyz | no, the suggestion is a good one | Dec 27 21:40 |
| cubexyz | but it's more likely the motherboard is failing | Dec 27 21:40 |
| msb__ | Module-swapping is shameful, but sometimes it's the only way. | Dec 27 21:40 |
| cubexyz | I'd say figure out what caused the failure first | Dec 27 21:40 |
| msb__ | When you solder caps on a mobo, do you use a low-voltage iron with a grounded tip, and connect the ground to the mobo ground? | Dec 27 21:41 |
| cubexyz | if it's heat damage then don't use it period | Dec 27 21:41 |
| msb__ | ksysguard 4 with temperature tracks is very good for preventing heat damage. | Dec 27 21:42 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I'd say use a temperature controlled soldering iron | Dec 27 21:42 |
| cubexyz | small tip | Dec 27 21:42 |
| msb__ | That too. | Dec 27 21:42 |
| cubexyz | if the board is dead it's a worthy learning excerise | Dec 27 21:43 |
| msb__ | But it should have a stepdown transformer and be grounded. | Dec 27 21:43 |
| msb__ | If the board stays dead, you can't really learn much. | Dec 27 21:44 |
| cubexyz | wear safety glasses too | Dec 27 21:47 |
| msb__ | I spent $30 on a 3rd party oversize cpu cooler -- big fan and widely spaced fins so the lint/dust can be blown out of it. Makes a big difference in the cpu temperature. | Dec 27 21:48 |
| msb__ | Why safety glasses? | Dec 27 21:48 |
| cubexyz | eye protection | Dec 27 21:49 |
| msb__ | I guess the flux could spatter even with a low-temp pencil iron. | Dec 27 21:49 |
| msb__ | Oh, I thought it was for ass protection. | Dec 27 21:50 |
| cubexyz | ever work with polymers? | Dec 27 21:50 |
| cubexyz | you would wear eye protection for that, soldering too | Dec 27 21:50 |
| cubexyz | even regular glasses would help a lot | Dec 27 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: just reattempted many things | Dec 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | no joy, not even POST | Dec 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Did manage to bork the lights at the front, though | Dec 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a string of 8 wired separate, could figure out the order in which put them back on the 8 pins | Dec 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | or maybe I fried the lights | Dec 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | msb__ this PC did reach post last week, once or twice | Dec 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | now it's back to now doing anything except running the fans and lights.... well, not fans now, the lights no longer show up, but the power unit and all seems ok | Dec 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | not likely to be PSU or CPU | Dec 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | When the former is bad, it'll never work, the second also | Dec 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | it would be cheaper to just get some reasonably old PC and toss the HDD in it, despite the bad sectors and all | Dec 27 22:01 |
| msb__ | The PSU puts out about 5 different voltages. Buy a voltmeter and check them all. | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | when I come to think of it, the problem existed for years | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | it just got worse recently, and dead bad last month | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | years ago the machine would overheat | Dec 27 22:04 |
| msb__ | If the disk is going bad, copy the data to a new one and don't use the old one. | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | but the fans worked and cleaning it would not help | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it wouldn't boot | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | red light would show | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | taking it off the main (power) and then back it would help it get going again | Dec 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | so the problem is still the same, but now it shuts down more often and it no longer reaches POST or starts doing anything | Dec 27 22:05 |
| msb__ | Is your data backed up? | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | no need, the data there I don't need much | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I migrated away 2 years ago | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | the only thing I still get out of this machine is some experimentation and use by guests | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | and music | Dec 27 22:06 |
| msb__ | Huh? | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | not the data is the issue | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to understand what the problem was all these years | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't seem to be the fans | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | but it definitely overheated | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if this could be something else | Dec 27 22:07 |
| msb__ | Music is data. | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | streaming | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | youtube | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | for this one | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't usually stream, but this machine was ok for it | Dec 27 22:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should just declare it dead, I wasted a lot of time in vain also trying to bring back to life another machine, which died | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | even its power supply eventually went busted after I experimented with it | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's a bit depressing | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | losing machines that used to work perfectly fine | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and there's no easy cure for them | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | as it's not even clear which replacement 'part' they need | Dec 27 22:11 |
| msb__ | These computers contain billions of transistors. You would need a year in a lab with an electron microscope to figure out what's wrong with it. | Dec 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm tempted to become one of those people who just buy a "new one" when something old breaks | Dec 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | it would reduce all this frustration and waste of time | Dec 27 22:12 |
| msb__ | First test the PSU voltages. Then swap whatever components you can. If that doesn't work, buy a new one. | Dec 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=refurbished+pc&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC1.A0.H0.Xrefurbished+pc+linux.TRS0&_nkw=refurbished+pc+linux&_sacat=0 | Dec 27 22:15 |
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| msb__ | On the new one, install an oversize cpu cooler and continuously measure the cpu temperatures with ksysguard. | Dec 27 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Well, I could run the VGA from a raspi I gyess | Dec 27 22:15 |
| schestowitz | *guess | Dec 27 22:15 |
| schestowitz | might be better for power user | Dec 27 22:15 |
| cubexyz | the problem is if you replace the motherboard sometimes you are forced to replace almost everything else | Dec 27 22:17 |
| cubexyz | the memory, the cpu, even video card sometimes | Dec 27 22:17 |
| msb__ | It requires compatibility research to avoid that. | Dec 27 22:18 |
| cubexyz | what are they up to now, DDR4? | Dec 27 22:18 |
| schestowitz | buy an alternative refurb feels like admission of loss | Dec 27 22:19 |
| cubexyz | 72-pin, 100-pin, 144, 168, 172, 184, 200, etc | Dec 27 22:19 |
| schestowitz | A bit disappointed this machine lasted WELL for maybe 5 years, or 4 in mind condition | Dec 27 22:19 |
| schestowitz | though some people say they're built to last 5 years these days | Dec 27 22:19 |
| cubexyz | I think DDR is 288-pin | Dec 27 22:19 |
| msb__ | refurb: disk and fans have moving parts that wear out. Also could have been heat-stressed. | Dec 27 22:20 |
| cubexyz | we don't really have good part interchangeably since things change so often | Dec 27 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I bought a refurb in 2011 and 2 years later it already had temperature issues that caused shutdown | Dec 27 22:21 |
| schestowitz | a year later it died | Dec 27 22:21 |
| cubexyz | I can say this much for certain... | Dec 27 22:21 |
| cubexyz | the coppermine P3's lasted a lot longer than 5 years | Dec 27 22:21 |
| msb__ | $500 for 5 years is a cheap cup of coffee/day. | Dec 27 22:21 |
| cubexyz | that really doesn't excuse bad engineering | Dec 27 22:22 |
| cubexyz | some stuff lasted a lot longer than 5 years | Dec 27 22:22 |
| msb__ | Buy one that's 2-4 times faster than the old one and your guests can play better videos. | Dec 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | no VGA http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-New-in-Original-Packaging-Great-for-HTPC-use-/271041348000?hash=item3f1b52c1a0:m:mpdb0ohArJ7-F2bJXy2esow | Dec 27 22:23 |
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| msb__ | ASUS mobos advertise mil-spec caps. The fannage is up to you. | Dec 27 22:23 |
| cubexyz | would you be happy with a lawnmower that lasted 5 years? | Dec 27 22:24 |
| msb__ | Yeah, if it had 10 billion transistors. | Dec 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if these are any good for Android tabelets http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Adapter-Converter-Cable-for-Tablet-Phone-Projector-/351217653599?hash=item51c634175f:g:f8UAAMXQeW5Ta2Gh | Dec 27 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Some tablets now cost, anew, 50 quid only | Dec 27 22:25 |
| cubexyz | it's not about the number of transistors, it's about how well it runs without overheating | Dec 27 22:26 |
| cubexyz | if it overheats and breaks, that's bad engineering | Dec 27 22:27 |
| cubexyz | good for the manufacturer, bad for the customer | Dec 27 22:27 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the manufacturers would just love it if nothing lasted over 5 years | Dec 27 22:27 |
| msb__ | It's up to the customer to choose good heatsink, adequate fans, and monitor the temperatures. | Dec 27 22:28 |
| cubexyz | how about laptops? | Dec 27 22:28 |
| cubexyz | they are just plain badly designed | Dec 27 22:29 |
| msb__ | I don't use them. | Dec 27 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Seems like it's very device specific, need mini hdmi port http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/computer-accessories/power-and-cables/computing-cables-and-adaptors/iwantit-imdhdd13-mini-displayport-adapter-21359616-pdt.html?gclid=CPWX1JaM_ckCFaKE2wodiX4Kbw&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!75233736499!!!g!110895001700!&ef_id=UoU9-AAABC8fArwM:20151227223218:s | Dec 27 22:32 |
| cubexyz | I got an HP one that's not bad... 2004 era | Dec 27 22:32 |
| msb__ | I'm getting spam from Fry's for a $100 10" laptop. | Dec 27 22:33 |
| cubexyz | it still works well | Dec 27 22:33 |
| cubexyz | what do you get for $100? | Dec 27 22:33 |
| cubexyz | you can get the pi-top kit for $99 | Dec 27 22:37 |
| cubexyz | needs a raspberry pi though | Dec 27 22:37 |
| cubexyz | delivery by april 2016 | Dec 27 22:37 |
| msb__ | http://www.frys.com/product/8604720?site=116premail121415 | Dec 27 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.frys.com | FRYS.com | EMATIC [ http://ur1.ca/od1bv ] | Dec 27 22:37 | |
| msb__ | Wow Ematic! Better than Emetic. | Dec 27 22:38 |
| msb__ | The windows 8.1 is the emetic part. | Dec 27 22:39 |
| cubexyz | haha | Dec 27 22:40 |
| cubexyz | "a medicine or other substance that causes vomiting" | Dec 27 22:40 |
| msb__ | One year warranty, so 27 cents/day. | Dec 27 22:42 |
| msb__ | Cats don't last forever, and they're a lot more expensive. | Dec 27 22:47 |
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| cubexyz | https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-microsoft-78af12071bd | Dec 28 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Why I’m Saying Goodbye to Apple, Google and Microsoft — Backchannel — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/jtanm ] | Dec 28 01:09 | |
| cubexyz | communities, not corporates | Dec 28 01:17 |
| cubexyz | very succinct | Dec 28 01:17 |
| cubexyz | we'll see how things go with pi-top | Dec 28 01:18 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 28 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | hi scientes | Dec 28 01:50 |
| schestowitz | merry xmas, sorry I missed your presence in the channel the other day | Dec 28 01:50 |
| schestowitz | been busy here with backlog regarding the european patent office, among other holiday-y things | Dec 28 01:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.people.com/article/microsoft-employees-serenade-apple-employees-peace-on-earth-video | Dec 28 02:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.people.com | Microsoft Employees Serenade Apple, Bring 'Peace' to Tech's Biggest Rivalry : People.com [ http://ur1.ca/od1hd ] | Dec 28 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | dafaq | Dec 28 02:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsofttaxdodge.com/ is gone | Dec 28 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.microsofttaxdodge.com | microsofttaxdodge.com - Registered at Namecheap.com | Dec 28 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | lost with the ashtray of history | Dec 28 02:03 |
| schestowitz | just when the IRS may need it | Dec 28 02:03 |
| schestowitz | also quite a few MS blogs vanished | Dec 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | which I guess is good and bad | Dec 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | good: less propaganda | Dec 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | bad: my links to them are now invalid, except when the Internet Archive is used | Dec 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2012/08/microsoft-builds-software-for-nypd.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search tyranny's cross-pollination | Dec 28 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | Microsoft, Bloomberg announce new software for NYPD counterterrorism efforts - Puget Sound Business Journal [ http://ur1.ca/od1hq ] | Dec 28 02:07 | |
| schestowitz | http://kroah.com/log/blog/2014/01/15/kdbus-details/ | Dec 28 02:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kroah.com | kdbus details - Linux Kernel Monkey Log [ http://ur1.ca/gfh2l ] | Dec 28 02:08 | |
| schestowitz | never happened, did it? | Dec 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | that was his last post | Dec 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | nothing for almost 2 years | Dec 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | MS Stasi http://mic.com/articles/130756/microsoft-will-help-police-predict-who-is-most-likely-to-commit-future-crimes | Dec 28 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mic.com | Microsoft Will Help Police Predict Who Is Most Likely to Commit Future Crimes - Mic | Dec 28 02:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/681407291682328576 | Dec 28 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: Best way to switch from Windows is to slowly substitute apps for free/cloud alternatives & learn to use Virtualbox. https://t.co/1ypAhqsri9 | Dec 28 09:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: WINE 1.7 review - Alcoholics Anonymous https://t.co/5IeJ9SgTWz #wine | Dec 28 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6932041 | Dec 28 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 48 hours now without #kde and so far I'm far better off with a very minimalist desktop (zero icons). Mostly missing #klipper and a taskbar | Dec 28 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | "TDE’s klipper is OK. I run it on E16. The 3.5 branch also gives me Palm sync." | Dec 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/681416127315111936 | Dec 28 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz thanks for the info. I was wondering why I couldn't reach 'em. | Dec 28 10:08 | |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, is there a clipboard thing for motif? | Dec 28 21:25 |
| cubexyz | now I remember... cutview | Dec 28 21:29 |
| cubexyz | all it really did was display the X-window past buffer | Dec 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | msb__: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yiq59/eli5_if_people_dont_like_systemd_very_much_why/ | Dec 28 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | ELI5: If people don't like systemd very much, why are there no systemd alternatives? And why are distributions adopting it? : linux | Dec 28 21:31 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Motif Window Manager did not include a clipboard tool by default. But it did not take long for people to add on. | Dec 28 21:31 |
| cubexyz | don't think anyone has written one lately :) | Dec 28 21:33 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Thanks! | Dec 28 21:34 |
| cubexyz | there are alternatives | Dec 28 21:35 |
| cubexyz | all I see is yammering and no info | Dec 28 21:36 |
| msb__ | OMG! Here is Paul Craig Roberts on RT! He is so great! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Dec 28 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Dec 28 21:37 | |
| cubexyz | you can hilight stuff from cutview and it automatically appears in klipper | Dec 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681589579107930112 | Dec 28 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz : the folks over @libreoffice could use a bug report :-) | Dec 28 21:40 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I don't think the old motif stuff can handle utf-8? | Dec 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MathFaithWorks/status/681589780380020736 | Dec 28 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MathFaithWorks: @schestowitz If anyone files a patent document online, please tweet. | Dec 28 21:41 | |
| cubexyz | none of the stuff I wrote did at least | Dec 28 21:41 |
| msb__ | At the bottom of each of PCR's articles he's shown holding two cats! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/images/photos/withkitties_150_120.jpg | Dec 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | (OT: the tux machines bot will be back maybe in a week, VPS issue, Toby is away) | Dec 28 21:42 |
| cubexyz | maybe it's a font problem | Dec 28 21:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 true old motif stuff cannot handle utf-8 why utf-8 only comes into main stay in 1992. | Dec 28 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | UTF-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 28 21:43 | |
| cubexyz | guess I'll stick with klipper for now | Dec 28 21:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: any motif library prior to 2.1 does not support unicode. Yes codepage hell. | Dec 28 21:46 |
| cubexyz | I'm using 2.3.3 so maybe it is possible | Dec 28 21:48 |
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| oiaohm | 2.3.3 support unicode/utf-8 | Dec 28 21:48 |
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| cubexyz | I can't put chinese characters into xrolodex | Dec 28 21:52 |
| cubexyz | it's pretty old code though... looks like 1996 | Dec 28 21:53 |
| cubexyz | kaddressbook I think would be the KDE equivalent | Dec 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681596631364538369 | Dec 28 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice that would be awesome if Libreoffice could support markdown slides. | Dec 28 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | I still use S5, HTML+CSS+JS | Dec 28 22:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681597289937408002 | Dec 28 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @ch_s @libreoffice I had a wikislides project using S5 back in the days. React.js code looks too complicated and too big. | Dec 28 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681597317477187585 | Dec 28 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten : markdown support for Impress : cool idea. I dream of an orgmode support in Writer. #Darkside | Dec 28 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | I was never 'impressed' by WYSIWYG for presentations.... too rigid, requires big programs to make sense of | Dec 28 22:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681598137455259648 | Dec 28 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten with GIT integration, so that we can get proper diffs and history. | Dec 28 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | use latex for that, output as PS/PDF | Dec 28 22:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681598414933635072 https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681598559003619328 | Dec 28 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten : nope. You need to work with LibreOffice's own change tracking system here. | Dec 28 22:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz @zoobab @libreoffice @thooorsten : I just don't get the use of Latex. Beautiful looking docs though. | Dec 28 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681599603150577666 | Dec 28 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten Simplest presentation is one word per slide. Or bullet points. Should fit in a simple text file. | Dec 28 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dr_alk68/status/681602418954612737 | Dec 28 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dr_alk68: @AngeloTofalo https://t.co/QO5OFLmq0Z | Dec 28 22:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Recently Bought a Windows Computer? Microsoft Probably Has Your Encryption Key https://t.co/9dcHiwFUfx yes https://t.co/rPoEuNPs10 | Dec 28 22:34 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681613311268503553 | Dec 28 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: important stuff #EPO #UPC #swpats https://t.co/y0tIE4QZiG | Dec 28 23:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody Today's Chaos Computer Club (CCC) Talk: EU Software and Business Method Patents: Call for Action https://t.co/qsqfxjzXty | Dec 28 23:14 | |
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| msb__ | Rand Paul and Jesse Ventura both on RT! I'm still reading the systemd article. | Dec 28 23:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IdeaGov/status/681622529987854336 | Dec 28 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IdeaGov: hmm https://t.co/JvZvdBuMXb | Dec 28 23:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PattieGardner/status/681627383779201024 | Dec 29 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PattieGardner: @schestowitz @glynmoody https://t.co/lo3U5af5q0 | Dec 29 00:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Yanis Varoufakis: »MONEY AND POWER«, Public Lecture 2015-11-04 - YouTube | Dec 29 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sweis/status/681630963516887040 | Dec 29 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sweis: @schestowitz Why are you publicly accusing me of being a liar? | Dec 29 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | I am inclined to believe that what gnupg wrote was correct and facebook changed the story later, in response | Dec 29 00:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sweis/status/681633403741978624 | Dec 29 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sweis: @schestowitz The support was never rescinded. @iMeluny has more context. | Dec 29 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, Steve, will check it out later | Dec 29 00:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iMeluny/status/681634134498881537 | Dec 29 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iMeluny: @sweis @schestowitz gnupg confirmed receipt of $50K from Facebook in Sept. There was miscommunication about 2016, but we intend to support. | Dec 29 00:34 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, good stuff | Dec 29 00:34 |
| msb__ | Re systemd: Several people reported problems with it regarding starting/stopping various daemons -- exactly what it's supposed to be good at. So why did almost all of the major distros adopt it? | Dec 29 00:36 |
| msb__ | "That systemd is everywhere (read: On all the distros that do not cater to users that want control over their system) has more to do with that it makes the work of distro maintainers easier, not per se the life of the user of said distro. ... But performance most certainly is not, and was never the reason. " | Dec 29 00:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681617971073171456 | Dec 29 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Found this useful probes octopussy with many arms at Sigrok's desk, super useful for JTAG pinout detection #32c3 https://t.co/V1ybNhtFte | Dec 29 00:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Found this useful probes octopussy with many arms at Sigrok's desk, super useful for JTAG pinout detection #32c3 https://t.co/V1ybNhtFte | Dec 29 00:38 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: murdock threatens suicide | Dec 29 00:38 |
| schestowitz | see his twitter feed right now | Dec 29 00:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/imurdock | Dec 29 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 29 00:38 | |
| schestowitz | In my view, it's really him, not 'hacked' | Dec 29 00:38 |
| schestowitz | start bottom... to top | Dec 29 00:38 |
| schestowitz | this is likely to become big news soon | Dec 29 00:38 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sysvinit also had issues starting deamons. Also do take note there is a claim about NTP that systemd does not display error message that turns out to be bogus crap. | Dec 29 00:42 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Percentage of systemd hate is the same hate that happens when ever you change anything. | Dec 29 00:44 |
| msb__ | OMG, He's the Ian in Debian! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock | Dec 29 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ian Murdock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/od302 ] | Dec 29 00:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/681637140535635968 | Dec 29 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz The Unitary Patent will be prone to the same failures as the Unitary Currency | Dec 29 00:49 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: yes | Dec 29 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fake | Dec 29 00:49 |
| schestowitz | looks like he's just stressed | Dec 29 00:49 |
| msb__ | Does he say anywhere why those cops attacked him? | Dec 29 00:52 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, to put it simply systemd just isn't Unix principles | Dec 29 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | knocked on neighbours's door | Dec 29 01:00 |
| cubexyz | if you change stuff too much you've changed it into something else entirely | Dec 29 01:00 |
| schestowitz | so he said (with a typo) | Dec 29 01:00 |
| cubexyz | we used to have a LKM for scanners and it worked fine | Dec 29 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I think it's really him writing this, just fresh (past 2 hours) | Dec 29 01:02 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://twitter.com/imurdock | Dec 29 01:02 |
| schestowitz | this may become a big story soonish | Dec 29 01:02 |
| cubexyz | then for some reason I don't understand it's deprecated | Dec 29 01:02 |
| cubexyz | this constant morphing of software is just too much | Dec 29 01:03 |
| cubexyz | at some point you have to have a bedrock of functionality which doesn't continuously change | Dec 29 01:03 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, what's up? | Dec 29 01:05 |
| schestowitz | see what murdock says | Dec 29 01:05 |
| cubexyz | oh! | Dec 29 01:05 |
| cubexyz | damn | Dec 29 01:05 |
| cubexyz | where does Murdock live? | Dec 29 01:06 |
| cubexyz | oh, California :) | Dec 29 01:06 |
| cubexyz | ok.... | Dec 29 01:06 |
| cubexyz | yikes | Dec 29 01:06 |
| cubexyz | ok, just ignore my ranting... I don't really have any big problems :) | Dec 29 01:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/imurdock/status/681627754475859968 | Dec 29 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@imurdock: This was right after the female officer ripped off my underwear.. I guess that's not considered rape if you're not a woman being raped. | Dec 29 01:09 | |
| cubexyz | I don't understand the circumstances | Dec 29 01:13 |
| cubexyz | looks like a hacked twitter account | Dec 29 01:19 |
| cubexyz | the phraseology looks wrong | Dec 29 01:19 |
| cubexyz | "but the police here beat me up for knowing on my neighbor's door" | Dec 29 01:20 |
| cubexyz | doesn't make much sense | Dec 29 01:20 |
| msb__ | I think "knowing" was meant to be "knocking". | Dec 29 01:22 |
| msb__ | I wish I could find his phone number. I want to tell him about psychopaths and getting a lawyer through the National Lawyers Guild. The ID on his domain record is hidden. | Dec 29 01:24 |
| MinceR | knowing in the biblical sense | Dec 29 01:26 |
| cubexyz | very strange situation | Dec 29 01:26 |
| cubexyz | hope he's ok | Dec 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz | stressed for sure (if not hacked) | Dec 29 01:43 |
| schestowitz | he said he had many stitches and bruises | Dec 29 01:43 |
| schestowitz | so imagine bleeding, probably at the head | Dec 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | not easy to type like that | Dec 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | the police let him off easy... they stitched him back up | Dec 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | and let him out of the cage, to where he can urinate | Dec 29 01:44 |
| schestowitz | I heard a similar story about a guy who now lives near Manchester, in swinton | Dec 29 01:45 |
| schestowitz | in Canada he was put under arrest | Dec 29 01:45 |
| schestowitz | where people were left cold, kind of naked, nowhere to piss and s*** | Dec 29 01:45 |
| schestowitz | That was in Toronoto | Dec 29 01:45 |
| schestowitz | All he did to deserve this was to joke while filming that he was some kind of british undercover police | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | so they said, "impersonating an officer" | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | they later dropped these charges | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | he had it on tape, he was clearly joking at that time | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | So this can obviously happen in Harper's Canada as well | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | many people like him were put in cages | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | I think circa g20 summit | Dec 29 01:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ | Dec 29 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! : linux [ http://ur1.ca/od32w ] | Dec 29 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | "This is what happens when you use Sid." | Dec 29 01:53 |
| schestowitz | "Guy needs help from either a lawyer or a psychologist." | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | I suspect there is much more to this story than knocking on his neighbors door. I sense a desperate man here folks. | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | I bet we're going to see something about sexual harassment and ...worse. | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Dude needs to wipe his hard drives quickly and lawyer up. | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | ' | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Another life ruined by the state and its minions. Fuck the police. | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Also wtf ian you're white don't throw that slur around like you can feel its weight | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I think he used it perfectly. Capitalisation proves that the choice of the word wasn't accidental, but deliberate. | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Many white and Asian Americans, watching news about police brutality where the victim is black, think that it's not their problem: "It won't happen to me, I'm not a nі****r. He probably deserved it." Obviously, they'll never say it aloud, but in their mind there's a distinction: middle-class or higher working-class white people vs poor black people. People who can get shot by a cop at night, and people who cannot. Guess what – a huge | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | chunk of American police force is made of violent jerks on a power trip. The poorer neighbourhood, the bigger feeling of power they have, but they can get triggered everywhere and at everyone. And when "triggered", I'm implying there might be an actual physical trigger involved as well. | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | So Murdock is saying that this particular idea which many white people are thinking, but not admitting publicly, is false. He is referring to a slur hidden behind a curtain of political correctness in the backs of brains of those suburb spoiled brats, who feel safe and treat police violence as another filler for the news, to hit straight into the core of the issue. He is saying: "no sugarcoating – your ass is not safe". | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | The message may be alienating to many, but those are not the ones to whom the message was directed. Those would already know there's a problem. It's those who cheer violent police acts (which is correlated with being white and casual racial slur use) who should listen to his story the most. They will notice the word, and unlike the sensitive ones, they won't immediately ignore the sentence. And maybe, they will realise that when it comes to | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | getting beaten up by a guy with a uniform and a gun, everyone can be a n****r one day. | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | |That would be rational. Suicidal people are generally not. Erratic behavior is to be expected, even from people who had previously been "stable" or even without previous known mental health issues. I hope he gets the help he needs.| | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | why oh why do people commit their breakdowns to the web? | Dec 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | he is right, his career is over. | Dec 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | "If he really wanted to commit suicide, he would've done it already. I don't think anyone in that situation would be broadcasting that on twitter so a lot of people find out and can kick down his door to prevent him from actually doing it.' | Dec 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | "Not necessarily true at all, depends on the motivations and very difficult to asses. Any threat of suicide has to be taken seriously no matter what. You're alluding to a sort of chronic depressed recluse, which is only one potentially suicidal personality type. I say this as a medical doctor who worked for a year in neuro/psych before switching fields, and this is pretty basic stuff." | Dec 29 01:56 |
| msb__ | Apparently the only way to communicate with Murdock is via twitter. I tried to join it, but someone had already joined using my email address. I tried to change the password, but then it said that the account was not recognized. | Dec 29 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/681669819461156868 | Dec 29 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/681692700639268865 | Dec 29 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: cc:@schestowitz https://t.co/PyoXARQnBf | Dec 29 07:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@subTee: A normal User can easily elevate rights on C:\Windows\Tracing. icacls /grant... Yet Another Default AppLocker Bypass https://t.co/3u3iIuGhRj | Dec 29 07:37 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/thooorsten/status/681657265590505473 https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681741072649814016 | Dec 29 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thooorsten: @zoobab @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice it's already there: https://t.co/edgf9ELXGx :) | Dec 29 09:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com | thorstenb/odpdown · GitHub | Dec 29 09:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @thooorsten @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @github : oh joy! | Dec 29 09:00 | |
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| schestowitz | > "you can imagine the long odds faced by the typical victim of a botched | Dec 29 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > raid." | Dec 29 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/28/federal-judge-drinking-tea-shopping-at-a-gardening-store-is-probable-cause-for-a-swat-raid-on-your-home/ | Dec 29 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Federal judge: Drinking tea, shopping at a gardening store is probable cause for a SWAT raid on your home - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/od3ur ] | Dec 29 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > the courts themselves drag the case out more | Dec 29 11:05 |
| schestowitz | See https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ | Dec 29 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! : linux [ http://ur1.ca/od32w ] | Dec 29 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/681791614067585025 | Dec 29 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz Saudi Barbaria, I like that ! It's very apt | Dec 29 11:05 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Dec 29 12:01 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Dec 29 12:01 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Dec 29 12:01 | |
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| msb__ | How many of us used to live in this sad world? http://www.turboyourpc.com/ | Dec 29 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.turboyourpc.com | Turbo Your Computer - A NEW COMPUTER WITHOUT THE PRICE TAG | Dec 29 12:38 | |
| msb__ | But now systemd is doing the same thing to Linux. What is an up-to-date non-systemd distro with lots of helpful users that we can recommend to people? | Dec 29 12:41 |
| schestowitz | my system, even without kde, is laggy | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | can take 10 seconds sometimes to open a simple programs | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | but I don't know what's causing this utterly bad behaviour | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | i rmemeber some system freezes in Ubuntu around 2006-2007 | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | on particular hardware | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | like 5-second pauses | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/yuhong2/status/681818136631328768 https://twitter.com/MartinStoermer/status/675921152087228416 | Dec 29 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yuhong2: @FOSSpatents @MartinStoermer @schestowitz There is https://t.co/CiOgwtv7Pb which lists the EPO ones only. | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MartinStoermer: If you’re not already following the excellent coverage of the shenanigans at the EPO via @FOSSpatents then you probably should. | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/braxtonbashin/status/681818970538831872 | Dec 29 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@braxtonbashin: https://t.co/qSL21Nyqao looking for a new search site on your phone? https://t.co/sx6mXGtlaI | Dec 29 13:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Judge Not Impressed With Government's Warrantless 921-Page 'Peek' Into A Suspect's Cellphone https://t.co/Q9Ew2KehPY warrants a mirage now | Dec 29 13:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.soundcrownd.com | Soundcrownd-Mass music search n surf | Dec 29 13:01 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: which hardware and software are you running? Have you gotten rid of systemd? Have you looked at the end of /var/log/messages after one of these delays to see if it reports any errors? | Dec 29 13:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have checked dmesg for io error message and checked swap memory usage. Linux does not perform that great at times once systems starts running int swap. | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| MinceR | sounds like a good reason not to fill up the memory with crap like systemd, kdbus, gnome3 and kde5 | Dec 29 13:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681832617407332352 | Dec 29 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz technical troll. | Dec 29 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | technical as such | Dec 29 13:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/681834115335884800 | Dec 29 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: Call it a dangerous power grab that will facilitate fascism. We've seen this sort of thing play out before. https://t.co/hX5YDrKsO7 | Dec 29 13:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When will media stop calling anti #encryption "anti terror" as if encryption itself (or privacy) is terror? https://t.co/STRXwMO5s9 | Dec 29 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah :( | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | msb__: can't get rid of systemd on systemd systems | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | it's an infestation like no other | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | top process | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | the whole distros get rebuilt around it | Dec 29 13:50 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: I know, but have you tried one like q4os? | Dec 29 13:53 |
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| cubexyz | q4os, the goodness of KDE3 + KDE4 and no systemd :) | Dec 29 17:23 |
| MinceR | >the goodness of KDE4 | Dec 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | No such file or directory | Dec 29 17:24 |
| cubexyz | the problem is some of the KDE3 stuff is orphaned | Dec 29 17:24 |
| cubexyz | now if I go back to KDE 3.4.2 pretty much it all worked | Dec 29 17:25 |
| cubexyz | and worse, no one seems to accept KDE 3.5.10 bug fixes | Dec 29 17:25 |
| MinceR | not even TDE? | Dec 29 17:26 |
| amarsh04 | one of the reasons I kept KDE 3.5.9/10 on this machine was for Quanta plus, an html editor | Dec 29 17:27 |
| cubexyz | are the TDE folks on IRC? Maybe I should talk to them | Dec 29 17:27 |
| cubexyz | ok they are in \#trinity-desktop | Dec 29 17:29 |
| msb__ | Deep! http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_illusion_of_freedom_20151227 | Dec 29 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truthdig.com | Chris Hedges: The Illusion of Freedom - Chris Hedges - Truthdig | Dec 29 17:33 | |
| cubexyz | oh well, I told them about it | Dec 29 17:33 |
| msb__ | They're good folks. They should respond. | Dec 29 17:35 |
| msb__ | But probably they will want to know which version of TDE the ksysguard comes from. | Dec 29 17:37 |
| cubexyz | it's been botched up since 2008 | Dec 29 17:38 |
| cubexyz | I only noticed recently because I haven't used ksysguard on KDE 3.5.10 until recently | Dec 29 17:38 |
| msb__ | But is it working in the latest TDE version? If it is, then you (and q4os) should simply upgrade. | Dec 29 17:39 |
| cubexyz | even so I still think KDE 3.5.10 should be fixed | Dec 29 17:40 |
| msb__ | You can't hold them responsible for bugs they have already fixed. | Dec 29 17:40 |
| msb__ | KDE or TDE? | Dec 29 17:40 |
| cubexyz | both | Dec 29 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You've upgraded from the official TDE repo? | Dec 29 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | for Debian Wheezy | Dec 29 17:41 |
| msb__ | They're not maintaining KDE. They're maintaining TDE | Dec 29 17:41 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I'm not sure how to upgrade trinity on q4os | Dec 29 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Names of packages can be different but might not be | Dec 29 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's the URL for Q4OS's repository? | Dec 29 17:42 |
| MinceR | i don't think anyone is maintaining KDE3 anymore | Dec 29 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | > There is a new Q4OS update, that includes TDE-14.0.1 installation script | Dec 29 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | > 2015-06-23 | Dec 29 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | apparently Q4OS is not into repositories though | Dec 29 17:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 29 17:44 |
| cubexyz | http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/debian wheezy main | Dec 29 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ftp.fau.de | Index of /trinity/trinity-v3.5.13/debian | Dec 29 17:45 | |
| cubexyz | so maybe there's a newer one | Dec 29 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's in your sources.list? | Dec 29 17:45 |
| cubexyz | that's listed when I run qrepolist | Dec 29 17:45 |
| msb__ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall | Dec 29 17:45 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Just replace the URL with the one from Trinity's wiki | Dec 29 17:46 |
| msb__ | That's the latest instructions. | Dec 29 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | s/v3.5.13/r14.0.0/ | Dec 29 17:46 |
| cubexyz | right, that's what I was thinking | Dec 29 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | So I see Q4OS uses official Trinity's repo so there won't be any problems. | Dec 29 17:46 |
| msb__ | 14.0.2 is the latest TDE | Dec 29 17:47 |
| *XRevan86 started downloading Q4OS: I want to look how they did their Windows'y stuff. | Dec 29 17:48 | |
| msb__ | So maybe those instructions need updating. | Dec 29 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: No, r14.0.0 is a branch name. | Dec 29 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | repository contains latest updates obviously | Dec 29 17:48 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, ok just edit /etc/apt/sources.list then? | Dec 29 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yep | Dec 29 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder how hard can it be to update Q4OS to Debian/Devuan Jessie… | Dec 29 17:49 |
| cubexyz | ok, I guess it actually does work | Dec 29 17:55 |
| cubexyz | just tried it again | Dec 29 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ksysguard? | Dec 29 17:56 |
| cubexyz | yes | Dec 29 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Updated? | Dec 29 17:56 |
| cubexyz | nope | Dec 29 17:57 |
| XRevan86 | > Unpacking systemd… | Dec 29 18:01 |
| cubexyz | the original error was: "Connection to localhost has been lost" | Dec 29 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | I see what you did there | Dec 29 18:01 |
| cubexyz | then ksysguard freaks out and fills the panel with icons | Dec 29 18:01 |
| cubexyz | it's a very old problem... I see folks with redhat 8 had the exact same issue | Dec 29 18:05 |
| cubexyz | maybe have something to do with lm_sensors | Dec 29 18:05 |
| cubexyz | ok, I know why | Dec 29 18:38 |
| cubexyz | ksysguardd is broken on this system | Dec 29 18:38 |
| cubexyz | still ksysguard has should just exit, not restart a million times | Dec 29 18:39 |
| cubexyz | fixed :) | Dec 29 18:45 |
| cubexyz | 7 years later but fixed | Dec 29 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > Been checking up on linux-news at tuxmachines over 2015 and just wanted | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > to let you know your and Rianne's effort in keeping your readers up to | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > date with linux news are much appreciated. | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > So: Thanks for your wonderful linux news selections at tuxmachines! Very | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > educational and am looking forward to more in 2016. | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | > Warm regards and best wishes, | Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Sir, we work hard for it, 24/7. I'm CCing Rianne as she'll be motivated by your message :-) | Dec 29 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> "you can imagine the long odds faced by the typical victim of a botched | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> raid." | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/28/federal-judge-drinking-tea-shopping-at-a-gardening-store-is-probable-cause-for-a-swat-raid-on-your-home/ | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Federal judge: Drinking tea, shopping at a gardening store is probable cause for a SWAT raid on your home - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/od3ur ] | Dec 29 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> the courts themselves drag the case out more | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > See | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >> > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ | Dec 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'www.reddit.com' ( status 0 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/ ) | Dec 29 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> I only look at reddit once or twice a year, it is 'teh ghey'. In this | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> case, there is no actual information there on reddit or any visible | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> links either. On a reliability scale of 0 to 5, reddit rumors are | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> usually 0. | Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Looking at his home page, there is no info (yet) | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://ianmurdock.com/blog/ | Dec 29 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | Blog | Ian Murdock | Linux old timer. Debian founder. Sun alum. Salesforce ExactTarget exec. | Dec 29 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> I hope that nothing has happened to him from the police. If something | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> did, then I do hope he does not let them slide. | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | >> > Softpedia has just published an article about it | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.softpedia.com/news/founder-of-debian-threatens-suicide-on-twitter-and-police-abuse-allegedly-498205.shtml | Dec 29 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian Founder Threatens with Suicide on Twitter, Reports Police Abuse, Allegedly [ http://ur1.ca/od4ib ] | Dec 29 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > That cites what might be a twitter hoax. While twitter can be better | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > than reddit (text) and 4chan (graphics), it's possible that his account | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > got cracked while he is away for Christmas and New Year. Unfortunately | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > hoax or not it's now news. | Dec 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | My instinct is that it's not a hoax. | Dec 29 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681919152530026496 | Dec 29 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: quite right, too... https://t.co/84UMdBds8r | Dec 29 19:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Got some heart-warming messages ahead of year's end, thanking myself and my wife for #tuxmachines (gratis) and #techrights (pro-libre). | Dec 29 19:27 | |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Are you intentionally using Wheezy-based Q4OS? | Dec 29 19:46 |
| cubexyz | sure | Dec 29 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: huh | Dec 29 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why? | Dec 29 19:47 |
| cubexyz | why not? It's got trinity built in | Dec 29 19:47 |
| cubexyz | figured I try it out | Dec 29 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS 1.4.4 is based on Debian 8 | Dec 29 19:49 |
| cubexyz | but that's with systemd is it not? | Dec 29 19:49 |
| cubexyz | don't want systemd | Dec 29 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't know yet, installing it. | Dec 29 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | probably will be easy to Devuan it | Dec 29 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681923237794676736 | Dec 29 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: excellent: #freesw has won, essentially - the big battles are now around surveillance, censorship, trade deals, etc. https://t.co/pnkzmiGep8 | Dec 29 19:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Following example of people like @glynmoody (somewhat of a role model) I intend to diverge further away from #freesw to cover other topics | Dec 29 19:52 | |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, kooka got orphaned years ago | Dec 29 19:54 |
| cubexyz | one of the main reasons why I wanted a trinity distro | Dec 29 19:54 |
| cubexyz | using q4os seemed the easiest way | Dec 29 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What a strange reason. | Dec 29 19:54 |
| cubexyz | not that strange :) | Dec 29 19:55 |
| cubexyz | I do a lot of scanning and liked kooka | Dec 29 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: First of all, you could just install trinity-kooka without complete Trinity. | Dec 29 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | Secondly, there's simple-scan | Dec 29 19:56 |
| cubexyz | what about all the libraries that trinity-kooka would need? | Dec 29 19:56 |
| cubexyz | doesn't seem that straight-forward | Dec 29 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Will be installed as well, no? | Dec 29 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS is not as much a Trinity distro but a Windows XP imitation. | Dec 29 19:56 |
| cubexyz | well nothing is perfect | Dec 29 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I didn't try it because it looked like XP :) | Dec 29 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Plain Debian/Devuan + Trinity == PROFIT | Dec 29 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | Plan Debian/Devuan + MATE + kooka from Trinity repos == PROFIT | Dec 29 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | oh gosh, Q4OS is ugly | Dec 29 19:58 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, you have given me an idea though | Dec 29 19:58 |
| cubexyz | assuming it _is_ easy to install just trinity-kooka | Dec 29 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you don't mind Qt3 non-integration anywhere. | Dec 29 19:59 |
| cubexyz | on one machine I have to use xscanimage which is OK but not great | Dec 29 19:59 |
| cubexyz | no, that's fine because I usually only use part of TDE/KDE | Dec 29 20:00 |
| *XRevan86 is hating what he sees. | Dec 29 20:00 | |
| XRevan86 | freaking pseudo-installers, badly transparent panel… | Dec 29 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | horrible fonts | Dec 29 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | that's a terrible default | Dec 29 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | analog clock on a panel | Dec 29 20:02 |
| cubexyz | right, I didn't like that either | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | I switched to icewm + TDE bits | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | I only run it on one machine | Dec 29 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I think Q4OS stuff just get in the way on your machine. | Dec 29 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | gets* | Dec 29 20:05 |
| cubexyz | adding icewm is easier enough | Dec 29 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, let's see… systemd-sysv | Dec 29 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | yep, systemd | Dec 29 20:05 |
| *XRevan86 enters packages.devuan.org | Dec 29 20:06 | |
| cubexyz | I like parts of KDE like kolourpaint, kalgebra, kalzium, kooka... | Dec 29 20:06 |
| cubexyz | as you say, I could probably have just used the parts I liked | Dec 29 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yeah | Dec 29 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I recommend you to install Debian from scratch. | Dec 29 20:07 |
| cubexyz | I think I did try to compile trinity-kooka on vector, but it was a disaster | Dec 29 20:07 |
| cubexyz | hence q4os... | Dec 29 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | and then devuan-baseconf if systemd is a problem | Dec 29 20:08 |
| cubexyz | libkscan and a bunch of other libraries are needed | Dec 29 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Which are all available in Trinity repo, yeah. | Dec 29 20:08 |
| cubexyz | in the old days I was quite able to hack up my own little scanner program | Dec 29 20:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/scantest3.c | Dec 29 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And in new days? | Dec 29 20:11 |
| cubexyz | but that doesn't work now :-/ | Dec 29 20:11 |
| cubexyz | well I guess I have to learn a bunch of new stuff | Dec 29 20:11 |
| cubexyz | I think HP stopped using SCL | Dec 29 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Like SANE? | Dec 29 20:12 |
| cubexyz | HP changed the protocol, I would have to learn rts8891 | Dec 29 20:13 |
| cubexyz | which isn't documented... probably the SANE people tried to reverse engineer it | Dec 29 20:13 |
| cubexyz | hardly an improvement | Dec 29 20:14 |
| cubexyz | around 2001 or so everything seemed to change | Dec 29 20:15 |
| cubexyz | in the old firmware I could specify any resolution | Dec 29 20:17 |
| cubexyz | now I'm limited to 75, 150, 300, 600, etc | Dec 29 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | Interesting, even with Devuan repo I can't remove systemd-shim | Dec 29 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | network-manager requires libpam-systemd | Dec 29 20:42 |
| MinceR | get rid of network-manager, it's crap | Dec 29 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's the most functional networking GUI there is. | Dec 29 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | okay, that was technically incorrect | Dec 29 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | NM provides the most functional networking GUI there is. | Dec 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call it "functional" | Dec 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | it looks pretty, but it's fucked up | Dec 29 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 802.11, ethernet, usb modems, VPN… | Dec 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | i think it was NM on my server that decided it's sufficient to ask for a DHCP lease on boot, set the address and forget about DHCP from then on | Dec 29 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | > NM on my server | Dec 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | even if the cable was unplugged and replugged, even if the DHCP server was replaced with one that used a different address range | Dec 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | well yeah, debian | Dec 29 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've never seen any bugs of such. | Dec 29 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: NM is an overkill on servers. | Dec 29 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | Just use networkd^W dhcpcd | Dec 29 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | At least it wasn't hard to set Devuan stuff up on Q4OS, even though I had to keep the shim. | Dec 29 20:49 |
| MinceR | tell debian that, i'm sure they listen to people other than redhat people | Dec 29 20:49 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Dec 29 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I honestly have no idea what's in Debian by default. | Dec 29 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | except for Debian's ifconfig, of course | Dec 29 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | (net-tools) | Dec 29 20:51 |
| MinceR | also, NM always offered to set up VPN connections and always failed at it | Dec 29 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: VPN connections work for me. | Dec 29 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | I press the button in nm-applet, and viola, VPN connect established. | Dec 29 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | They have Nautilus installed by default in Q4OS o_0. | Dec 29 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | why on Earth… | Dec 29 20:52 |
| cubexyz | your q4os must be different from mine | Dec 29 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe it's a fresh decision. | Dec 29 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | "hey, let's offer users Nautilus" | Dec 29 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Dec 29 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | gnome-packagekit wants gnome-settings-daemon, which wants nautilus-data which recommends nautilus | Dec 29 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | I've seen an update notifier in tray, apparently it opens gnome-packagekit if one presses it. | Dec 29 20:57 |
| cubexyz | I never got network sharing of scanners working | Dec 29 20:57 |
| cubexyz | kind of a dumb idea anyway | Dec 29 20:59 |
| cubexyz | I want the scanner to be within arm's reach :) | Dec 29 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yeah, scanner being reachable makes sense :D | Dec 29 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/brianfagioli/status/681961481404084225 | Dec 29 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brianfagioli: @schestowitz @BetaNews thanks for sharing, Dr. Roy! ☺️ | Dec 29 22:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6934915 | Dec 29 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2016 will definitely be more productive than this year because we travelled a lot after we had moved houses and had severe issues with #bt | Dec 29 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Ah…" | Dec 29 22:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6934931 | Dec 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | "Lumps are not good. Hope those turn out to not be malignant." | Dec 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | My grandpa's was. He died a year ago. | Dec 29 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Dec 29 22:44 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I remembered something one of my systems started stalling after a kernel update due to the ondemard governor option being overly savage. Set cpu to Conservative by problem. | Dec 29 22:50 |
| scientes | is there any good place to find astronomy math? | Dec 29 23:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blankebelg/status/681971873966637057 | Dec 29 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blankebelg: Law states they have rights...typical politic treatment. ..world wide. Sad https://t.co/YNTXxiPlse | Dec 29 23:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hospital Refuses Pregnancy-Related Care Again Because of Religious Directives https://t.co/bytrSb6JNs #aclu #us | Dec 29 23:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OneTimePad7/status/681983773257367553 | Dec 29 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OneTimePad7: @schestowitz patents make me facepalm myself almost every time when I read about one... X-o | Dec 29 23:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681983860104630273 | Dec 29 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: & nothing more heard since.. https://t.co/phCbWVc1w7 | Dec 29 23:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Debian Founder Ian Murdock’s Tweets Are Raising Eyebrows https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA #debian | Dec 29 23:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blankebelg/status/681984188023713792 | Dec 29 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blankebelg: Great :( thnx for info ...readed it yesterday in software info but now its 4 real sadly :'( ty 2 share ur bisdom :) https://t.co/ydVToLew7V | Dec 29 23:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Frozen Android Phones Give Up All Your Data Secrets https://t.co/CTvr98TW0J #android #linux #security | Dec 29 23:45 | |
| cubexyz | the ian murdock twitter account seems to have vanished | Dec 29 23:52 |
| MinceR | good thing i saved the page then | Dec 29 23:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to remember what ksysv was part of | Dec 30 00:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you don't mean KDE SysV-Init Editor, | Dec 30 00:05 |
| cubexyz | I think I do actually | Dec 30 00:05 |
| cubexyz | ksysv-trinity | Dec 30 00:08 |
| cubexyz | it's got a new configuration wizard | Dec 30 00:09 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ksysv-trinity-2015.png | Dec 30 00:13 |
| cubexyz | pretty much the same as the old ksysv | Dec 30 00:13 |
| cubexyz | at least we have a good successor to KDE 3.5.10 | Dec 30 00:14 |
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| msb__ | Wow, what a weird program. I have that in kde3.5.10 | Dec 30 01:01 |
| msb__ | Wouldn't dare use it though! | Dec 30 01:01 |
| msb__ | I hope just configuring it didn't do anything. I wasn't root, so I guess not. | Dec 30 01:03 |
| msb__ | Did you ever get a ksysguard working? | Dec 30 01:03 |
| cubexyz | I did | Dec 30 01:03 |
| msb__ | which one? | Dec 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | all of them, or at least all of the ones I have | Dec 30 01:04 |
| msb__ | What fixed it? | Dec 30 01:04 |
| msb__ | them | Dec 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard needs ksysguardd to load to work | Dec 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | vector linux had a problem with ksysguard... a library was missing | Dec 30 01:05 |
| cubexyz | sorry, ksysguardd | Dec 30 01:05 |
| cubexyz | libsensors.so.3 was missing | Dec 30 01:06 |
| msb__ | must be for the temperature sensors | Dec 30 01:07 |
| cubexyz | yes, but ksysguard shouldn't have borked up like that | Dec 30 01:07 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't even use the sensor utility by default | Dec 30 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I'll have to dig into the source sometime and see what they did | Dec 30 01:14 |
| msb__ | ksysguardd is in etc/init.d, but it doesn't seem to be started by any level | Dec 30 01:15 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard will try to load ksysguardd | Dec 30 01:15 |
| cubexyz | so if ksysguard is running properly, ksysguardd should also be running | Dec 30 01:16 |
| msb__ | it is | Dec 30 01:16 |
| msb__ | Isn't it normal for a program to refuse to run if it doesn't have one of its libs? | Dec 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | now if you do a ldd /usr/bin/ksysguardd (depending on where your distro keeps ksysguardd) you'll see the libraries it needs | Dec 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | usually yes | Dec 30 01:18 |
| cubexyz | in my case ksysguard ran without ksysguardd and messed up in a big way | Dec 30 01:18 |
| msb__ | ldd says "not a dynamic executable" | Dec 30 01:19 |
| cubexyz | huh | Dec 30 01:19 |
| msb__ | did you try it? | Dec 30 01:19 |
| cubexyz | ok, yours is static | Dec 30 01:20 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ldd-ksysguardd.txt | Dec 30 01:21 |
| msb__ | Actually mine is a sh script! | Dec 30 01:21 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Dec 30 01:21 |
| msb__ | at least the one in /etc/init.d | Dec 30 01:21 |
| msb__ | ok the real one is in /usr/bin/ksysguardd | Dec 30 01:23 |
| msb__ | and it does need libsensors | Dec 30 01:23 |
| cubexyz | in older KDE 3.4.2 it doesn't use libsensors.so | Dec 30 01:24 |
| msb__ | those sensors can save your CPU! | Dec 30 01:24 |
| msb__ | especially in the summertime | Dec 30 01:25 |
| cubexyz | it just doesn't get very hot in my case(s) | Dec 30 01:25 |
| cubexyz | it's been running for 17 years in one case :) | Dec 30 01:25 |
| cubexyz | but I check it now and then | Dec 30 01:26 |
| msb__ | I have 4 sensor tracks running. They really get too high when I run handbrake. | Dec 30 01:27 |
| cubexyz | the Dell one is 2001 and the QDI one is also 2001 | Dec 30 01:27 |
| cubexyz | ah, I think I know what that is | Dec 30 01:28 |
| msb__ | what? | Dec 30 01:29 |
| cubexyz | video transcoder | Dec 30 01:29 |
| msb__ | right | Dec 30 01:29 |
| msb__ | the name makes no sense | Dec 30 01:29 |
| cubexyz | yes if I say the names of some linux programs to a windows user I just get blank stares | Dec 30 01:30 |
| MinceR | blank stares are to be expected of a windows user | Dec 30 01:30 |
| msb__ | I wanted some tv episodes, but they were 1GB and much higher resolution than I needed | Dec 30 01:30 |
| msb__ | took about 30 minutes to recode | Dec 30 01:31 |
| msb__ | as x264, IIRC | Dec 30 01:31 |
| cubexyz | I've been running KDE stuff a long time, there's still a lot to learn | Dec 30 01:31 |
| cubexyz | even when I stick with KDE 3.5 stuff | Dec 30 01:31 |
| msb__ | I tried x265 and it was going to take 20 hours or so | Dec 30 01:31 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, the windows 10 folks are asking me about alternatives | Dec 30 01:32 |
| cubexyz | it's getting serious | Dec 30 01:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 30 01:33 |
| cubexyz | up until windows 8 they seemed to just tolerate microsoft but it's changing | Dec 30 01:33 |
| msb__ | did you succeed in updating the TDE in Q4OS? | Dec 30 01:34 |
| cubexyz | msb__, no I haven't tried it yet | Dec 30 01:34 |
| cubexyz | got to do other boring work first | Dec 30 01:34 |
| cubexyz | but I'll give it a go later tonight | Dec 30 01:35 |
| msb__ | does q4os have repos or does it just use wheezy's? | Dec 30 01:37 |
| MinceR | we'll see | Dec 30 01:38 |
| MinceR | they also tolerate hypeOS | Dec 30 01:38 |
| cubexyz | currently it is set up to use: http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-v3.5.13 | Dec 30 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tde-mirror.yosemite.net | Index of /trinity/trinity-v3.5.13 | Dec 30 01:39 | |
| msb__ | I meant for stuff other than TDE | Dec 30 01:39 |
| msb__ | someone was nice enough to put the current version of handbrake into the suse 11.4 repo! (what remains of it) | Dec 30 01:41 |
| msb__ | I wasn't looking forward to trying to build it. | Dec 30 01:42 |
| msb__ | Murdock's twitter account is indeed gone. Someone in one of the channels gave me what they said was his e-mail address and I sent him a nice one, but haven't heard back. | Dec 30 01:44 |
| msb__ | suggested he contact the National Lawyers Guild | Dec 30 01:45 |
| cubexyz | ok the main repo appears to be: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free | Dec 30 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ftp.debian.org | Index of /debian | Dec 30 01:53 | |
| cubexyz | you could probably add trinity to debian wheezy easily enough | Dec 30 01:54 |
| msb__ | I'm interested in whether it has up-to-date apps. Does it have handbrake? Current is 0.10.2 | Dec 30 01:57 |
| cubexyz | probably not | Dec 30 02:03 |
| msb__ | I wish there were an up to date distro I could recommend to people. For years I told them Suse. Now I don't know what to say. What do you tell windows victims? | Dec 30 02:14 |
| MinceR | afaik slackware is still actively maintained | Dec 30 02:14 |
| cubexyz | I just point out the alternatives: chromebook/box, mac os x, linux/bsd | Dec 30 02:14 |
| MinceR | (also, 14.1 was released after debian 7) | Dec 30 02:15 |
| cubexyz | a lot of people are still on XP | Dec 30 02:16 |
| msb__ | but it's two years old | Dec 30 02:16 |
| MinceR | xp is still better than any later winblows version | Dec 30 02:17 |
| cubexyz | it's still not very good though :) | Dec 30 02:18 |
| cubexyz | old XP installs seem to hit the hard drive a lot | Dec 30 02:21 |
| MinceR | well yeah, winblows gobbles memory and then hits swap | Dec 30 02:21 |
| MinceR | and just randomly grinds the disk too | Dec 30 02:21 |
| cubexyz | well I told one guy if he really had to run windows 10 to run it in a VM | Dec 30 02:24 |
| MinceR | hopefully without network access | Dec 30 02:25 |
| cubexyz | some windows 10 updates destroyed the OS | Dec 30 02:25 |
| cubexyz | actually made it stop booting even | Dec 30 02:26 |
| MinceR | and in general, it's not a good idea to run malware with network access | Dec 30 02:26 |
| cubexyz | I think VMware Premium can lock out the hosted OS | Dec 30 02:27 |
| cubexyz | from network | Dec 30 02:27 |
| MinceR | most virtualizers can | Dec 30 02:27 |
| MinceR | simply by not having any virtual NICs in the VM | Dec 30 02:27 |
| cubexyz | and even if the hosted OS borked itself you would still have the host OS to fall back on | Dec 30 02:28 |
| cubexyz | it is really a mess | Dec 30 02:29 |
| cubexyz | I've been doing windows re-loads for a long time for customers | Dec 30 02:32 |
| cubexyz | I've never had to do a linux reload | Dec 30 02:33 |
| cubexyz | just stuff like: "it's too old I want something newer" | Dec 30 02:33 |
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| msb__ | Wow, I just dreamed that I was Jack Kane, the immortal biblical vampire from _He Never Died_, but I was coming in from the Rim on an ancient Martian wood and iron starship to attack the inner Solar System like in _Expanse_. Woo, that's Evil! | Dec 30 08:19 |
| msb__ | I can't wait for s01e05 of | Dec 30 08:21 |
| msb__ | Expanse to come out in a week. E04 was super! | Dec 30 08:21 |
| msb__ | Someone I recommended _He Never Died_ didn | Dec 30 08:24 |
| msb__ | did | Dec 30 08:25 |
| msb__ | didn't like it, said they should have taken a rocket launcher to him, but he's actually a good guy, or at least evolving that way. It's hard when you're cursed by God. | Dec 30 08:26 |
| msb__ | I'm not really evil, that was just my right-brain combining two movies I've seen. I would never dream I was Bill Gates, the Bent Eldil of this planet. | Dec 30 08:36 |
| oiaohm | http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/12/18/trying-to-prevent-browser-fingerprinting-the-odds-are-against-you/ so true | Dec 30 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Trying to prevent browser fingerprinting? The odds are against you | LinuxBSDos.com | Dec 30 08:37 | |
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| oiaohm | found a motherboard chipset what the recently. No floppy or floppy pluged in correct onboard ethernet port works. Floppy pluged in incorrectly( you know the one led light stuck on ) onboard ethernet port dead as door nail. | Dec 30 08:47 |
| msb__ | Every night when I clean the horrible fluoride residue out of my distiller with a paper towel, I think of the last scene in _Time Bandits_, where the kid's idiot parents are reaching for the smoking black rock in their microwave, and he shouts to them, "Don't touch it! It's pure Evil!" So both of them reach for it. I get a little fluoride on my fingers, but I wash it right off. | Dec 30 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Arrive in a Few Days https://t.co/S1nzXC2gnd | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Dec 30 09:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to Arrive in a Few Days | Dec 30 09:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting Started With the Raspberry Pi | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6kiooPTShW (fossforce.com) | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5m8 | Dec 30 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Getting Started With the Raspberry Pi | FOSS Force | Dec 30 09:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf/status/682138400510455809 | Dec 30 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Asher_Wolf: @octal https://t.co/oWSUrUh0ZB | Dec 30 09:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Update: "Ian Murdock’s Twitter account has been taken down. There has also been no update on his blog." https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA | Dec 30 09:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikisteff/status/682141256567406592 | Dec 30 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikisteff: @glynmoody @schestowitz Keep us in the loop if there is any more news, Glyn. #manythanks | Dec 30 10:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141644653752320 | Dec 30 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Wikisteff @schestowitz will do... | Dec 30 10:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | My instinct (have followed this closely since 1 hour after the threat): lawyers advised to remove the accusations in bulk | Dec 30 10:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682136919564763136 | Dec 30 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: weird stuff going on here... https://t.co/Cp1YarN2PQ | Dec 30 10:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nicferrier/status/682141781560012800 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141895754170368 | Dec 30 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nicferrier: @schestowitz @glynmoody @docker thank goodness. It sounds awful. | Dec 30 10:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: any news on what's happening with Ian Murdoch, @docker? /@nicferrier @schestowitz | Dec 30 10:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://theintercept.com/2015/12/28/recently-bought-a-windows-computer-microsoft-probably-has-your-encryption-key/ | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | Recently Bought a Windows Computer? Microsoft Probably Has Your Encryption Key [ http://ur1.ca/od2bh ] | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > - | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft may have your encryption key; here’s how to take it back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/od5sl ] | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > Wrong way, Peter. The right way is to install GNU/Linux or one of the BSDs. | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/682142759600439296 | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: Concerning! https://t.co/AP1f2WWWy0 | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laserfox/status/682143097099304960 | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laserfox: @glynmoody @docker @nicferrier @schestowitz hope he is OK.. | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Stratoscale favourited 'Linux Containers – Benefits and Market Trends https://t.co/BhlwOnAIZz' | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stratoscale.com | NO TITLE | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Largest Computer Makers when Smartphones and | Dec 30 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tablets are Included https://t.co/AXwSvnJWzZ | Dec 30 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communities-dominate.blogs.com) | Dec 30 10:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Largest Computer Makers when Smartphones and Tablets are Included | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/682147759059763200 | Dec 30 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz China could help its transition to a tech economy by offering Internet Army censorship as a service | Dec 30 10:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141895754170368 | Dec 30 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines APT 1.1.8 to 1.1.10 – going “faster” | Dec 30 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n9BEampfyV (juliank.wordpress.com) | Dec 30 10:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-juliank.wordpress.com | APT 1.1.8 to 1.1.10 – going “faster” | Blog of Julian Andres Klode | Dec 30 10:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bluboo Xfire 2, World’s First Triple-SIM | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Smartphone Priced At $69 And Bluboo | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | XWatch To Release Early 2016 | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3InE7uSWmQ (www.ibtimes.com) | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5uq | Dec 30 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Bluboo Xfire 2, World’s First Triple-SIM Android Smartphone Priced At $69 And Bluboo XWatch To Release Early 2016 | Dec 30 10:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "it is with pleasure that I see that Mageia is | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | increasingly used." https://t.co/58semwtoKo | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr) | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5ur | Dec 30 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr | Come help mageia with us | from a kde POV | Dec 30 10:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/scruffy_crunch/status/682152725509836801 | Dec 30 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@scruffy_crunch: @schestowitz @All4Privacy I think he does, but he nor his handlers care. #surveillanceplanet | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682152812319518720 | Dec 30 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Facebook #MustDie And #Tor if it will continue to be hiddenly #facebook's partner too. https://t.co/40IkH6lCzj | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Drop #facebook to save the #internet https://t.co/Q8FPqqAPzI | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682153749645639680 | Dec 30 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: For a #Debian founder…probably buying an 'iPhone 6'(~Sept.24, 2015) was sign of losing it—either sanity or #security https://t.co/e7DA5rYEIK | Dec 30 11:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Update: "Ian Murdock’s Twitter account has been taken down. There has also been no update on his blog." https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA | Dec 30 11:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think it's the right time to bash him over choice of phone | Dec 30 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 10 Games Released on Linux in 2015 | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DW3XlTZw9i (boilingsteam.com) | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60m | Dec 30 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Top 10 Games Released on Linux in 2015 – Boiling Steam | Dec 30 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "RISC-V processors can currently be used to run | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and NetBSD." | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RISC-V processors can currently be used to run | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and NetBSD. | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60n | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mSjLTFOXpX (uberstudent.com) | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60o | Dec 30 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uberstudent.com | UberStudent Forums • View topic - UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Arrive in a Few Days https://t.co/THkQIthfCE | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60p | Dec 30 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to Arrive in a Few Days | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Founder in Trouble, Ubuntu's Wrong Turn | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OFxW9tDla8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60q | Dec 30 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Founder in Trouble, Ubuntu's Wrong Turn | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/nde6C9JdQq | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60r | Dec 30 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:33 | |
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| oiaohm | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-At-200M really number of installs does not answer the questions we need. Like how many were upgrades of existing and how many in fact got tricked. | Dec 30 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phoronix.com | Windows 10 Reportedly On 200+ Million Devices - Phoronix | Dec 30 13:18 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ I just noticed this. The instructions are bogus once something is uploaded to a cloud you are no longer in control if it gets deleted or not. | Dec 30 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft may have your encryption key; here’s how to take it back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/od5sl ] | Dec 30 13:32 | |
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| MinceR | http://hackaday.com/2015/12/29/32c3-a-free-and-open-source-verilog-to-bitstream-flow-for-ice40-fpgas/ | Dec 30 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackaday.com | 32C3: A Free and Open Source Verilog-to-Bitstream Flow for iCE40 FPGAs | Hackaday [ http://ur1.ca/od6bz ] | Dec 30 14:44 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/682159428670455808 | Dec 30 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz no, I do not think so, b/c certificates are valid for 90 days max. This will make many refrain from using LE. | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682193444840800256 | Dec 30 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: "The [tory] government did not believe in this climate-change stuff and was fully on the industry’s side." https://t.co/IejJEYNtft | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk #Floods , #climate , and neglect: a reflection https://t.co/7de6F4DcWg too busy screwing up countries overseas | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/nysqJYheZT | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od6si | Dec 30 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 30 17:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/c0a0S0cPQL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od6sm | Dec 30 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Tux Machines | Dec 30 17:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to...' | Dec 30 18:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | [13:32] <oiaohm> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ I just noticed this. The instructions are bogus once something is uploaded to a cloud you are no longer in control if it gets deleted or not. | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | mentioned this earlier | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | BS from MS Peter | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | reponse to micah Lee/EFF | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | [13:18] <oiaohm> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-At-200M really number of installs does not answer the questions we need. Like how many were upgrades of existing and how many in fact got tricked. | Dec 30 18:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Phoronix citing WinBeta | Dec 30 18:27 |
| r_schestowitz | new low... | Dec 30 18:27 |
| MinceR | moronix | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | sometimes | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | see another thing he posted today | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | about some russian linux bashing page | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | not even new | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | 7 years old | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I think larabel is just low on material | Dec 30 18:28 |
| cubexyz | ha, gkrellm... now I understand the name | Dec 30 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | > russian linux bashing page | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | What does "bashing" mean in this context? | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | ah, I see | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | stoplinux.org.ru then | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz_log: Right? | Dec 30 18:35 |
| cubexyz | stop linux and use what instead? | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Good and noble Microsoft Windows of course. | Dec 30 18:36 |
| cubexyz | is this anti-linux guy a BSD person or...? | Dec 30 18:36 |
| cubexyz | bah | Dec 30 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No. | Dec 30 18:36 |
| cubexyz | use an operating system were you have no control and no source code, got it | Dec 30 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the idea. | Dec 30 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | This resource is much less interesting now, though. | Dec 30 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | don't know what they're doing now | Dec 30 18:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "I'm thinking a patch this size wouldn't | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | qualify for copyright even if an Oracle Lawyer | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | claimed it." https://t.co/Lk9NsDhBb4 | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Dec 30 18:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix noisy sparse warning in LIBCFS_ALLOC_PRE() | Dec 30 18:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows 10 https://t.co/tkdZiPoB4e | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) | Dec 30 18:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft Windows 10 | Dec 30 18:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Fu0tEebjVs (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od756 | Dec 30 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 18:45 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It wasn't commercial or anything. Just one dumb guy. | Dec 30 18:45 |
| cubexyz | I figured | Dec 30 18:46 |
| r_schestowitz | XRevan86: no, different site | Dec 30 18:48 |
| r_schestowitz | see latest stories in phoronix | Dec 30 18:48 |
| r_schestowitz | linux "sucks" thing | Dec 30 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | Phoronix has a new design, hmm | Dec 30 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: Can't that the story but I think I know what site you're talking about. | Dec 30 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | * Can't find that story | Dec 30 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | my mind what in other place | Dec 30 18:52 |
| cubexyz | it's fine to criticize linux _distros_ | Dec 30 18:52 |
| cubexyz | but the kernel itself is pretty good | Dec 30 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | I think the nick is birdie | Dec 30 18:53 |
| cubexyz | or whatever, use some other FOSS operating system | Dec 30 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | I was chatting with him some time ago. | Dec 30 18:53 |
| cubexyz | but advocating windows is just stupid | Dec 30 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html nailed it | Dec 30 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfonts.narod.ru | Main Linux problems on the desktop, 2016 edition [ http://ur1.ca/od769 ] | Dec 30 18:53 | |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: that? | Dec 30 18:53 |
| cubexyz | except the linux desktop has been decent since around 1998 | Dec 30 18:55 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Redhat 5.2 and after | Dec 30 18:56 |
| cubexyz | really the basic stuff was sorted out by 1994 | Dec 30 18:57 |
| cubexyz | Ryerson in Canada was using Darkstar Linux 0.99.14 back in 1994 | Dec 30 18:58 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.png | Dec 30 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | Something old and more positive: http://blackcatlinux.narod.ru/myths/index.html | Dec 30 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blackcatlinux.narod.ru | 10 Мифов о Linux [ http://ur1.ca/od76w ] | Dec 30 18:59 | |
| cubexyz | ok, it wasn't perfect but it was better than windows 3.1 I'd say | Dec 30 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | "10 myths about Linux" in Russian | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JcRmDjIe4c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| XRevan86 | from 90s | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clementine Review - One of the Best Music | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Players on Linux https://t.co/1rN7LsEOK2 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od76z | Dec 30 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows 10 https://t.co/bgouQx5Cxc | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-source advocates see big opportunity for | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | federal software acquisition reform in 2016 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jmFgjl60jb (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source advocates see big opportunity for federal software acquisition reform in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| XRevan86 | > COREL WordPerfect | Dec 30 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mBWR1XtFUE (www.droid-life.com) | Dec 30 19:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Droid Life | Dec 30 19:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RLmmPSuSdl (9to5google.com) | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od77f | Dec 30 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | 9to5Google | Dec 30 19:02 | |
| MinceR | http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 30 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog | Dec 30 19:07 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He really did? | Dec 30 19:07 |
| MinceR | apparently | Dec 30 19:07 |
| MinceR | well, at least they don't get to harm him any more | Dec 30 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | O_O | Dec 30 19:08 |
| MinceR | http://techaeris.com/2015/12/28/debian-founder-ian-murdocks-tweets-raising-eyebrows/ | Dec 30 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techaeris.com | [UPDATED] Debian Founder Ian Murdock's Tweets Are Raising Eyebrows - Techaeris | Dec 30 19:08 | |
| XRevan86 | > The rest of my life will be devoted to fighting against police abuse | Dec 30 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | like a day or so? | Dec 30 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Something's not right. | Dec 30 19:09 |
| MinceR | looks like it | Dec 30 19:09 |
| MinceR | many things aren't right | Dec 30 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe Docker was hacked. | Dec 30 19:10 |
| MinceR | i guess we'll find out eventually | Dec 30 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah. | Dec 30 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | If this is a joke, it's pretty cruel. | Dec 30 19:14 |
| MinceR | it probably isn't | Dec 30 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why? | Dec 30 19:14 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like something people would joke with | Dec 30 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unless they want attention. | Dec 30 19:16 |
| r_schestowitz | not a joke | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | but maybe someone killed him | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe a neighbour | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | the one he claims to have knocked on the door of | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Wait and see, I guess... | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I totally lost my concentration now | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | worse than the swartz case | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682283616332808192 | Dec 30 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: Debian founder and Docker employee Ian Murdock has died at 42 https://t.co/Ev6R05Ppqw | Dec 30 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody https://t.co/iSyMsSWUK1 https://t.co/vNS7IhpfoM | Dec 30 19:36 | |
| MinceR | http://www.politico.eu/article/poland-crisis-constitution-kaczynski-duda/ | Dec 30 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | Poland’s government continues power-grab – POLITICO | Dec 30 19:42 | |
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| cubexyz | where's corel draw for linux eh? | Dec 30 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: CorelDRAW 9 from 2000 | Dec 30 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | > it did not run natively; instead, it used a modified version of Wine to run | Dec 30 19:49 |
| cubexyz | yes I see that on winehq | Dec 30 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why would you want CorelDRAW anyway? | Dec 30 19:50 |
| cubexyz | not for me :) | Dec 30 19:50 |
| cubexyz | for customers | Dec 30 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Why would anyone want CorelDRAW anyway? | Dec 30 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Inkscape is such a nice thing. | Dec 30 19:50 |
| cubexyz | there are some diehard coreldraw people out there | Dec 30 19:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682286892008779778 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682287760959533056 | Dec 30 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz the circumstances of his death sound decidedly suspicious | Dec 30 19:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: R.I.P. https://t.co/kzR2sLLv6K | Dec 30 19:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Debian founder Ian #Murdock dead: Tributes pour in from colleagues https://t.co/s28j6OM4UF | Dec 30 19:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682283616332808192 | Dec 30 19:51 |
| cubexyz | older people get used to one way of doing things and it takes a nuclear bomb to get them to try something different | Dec 30 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Doesn't coreldraw change its interface once in a while? | Dec 30 19:52 |
| cubexyz | it probably does | Dec 30 19:53 |
| cubexyz | so the oldsters stick with Coreldraw 7 :) | Dec 30 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: piratis vulgaris? :) | Dec 30 19:54 |
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| cubexyz | coreldraw 7 on XP, and it's not pirated | Dec 30 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | piratis komplikatis | Dec 30 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not something one can share, that's the complication. | Dec 30 19:57 |
| cubexyz | oh I see | Dec 30 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, share the software. | Dec 30 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I only see very few linux people locally | Dec 30 19:57 |
| cubexyz | some chromebooks, tons of xp, tons of win7 | Dec 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | - Hey, how can I open your CDR file? | Dec 30 19:58 |
| cubexyz | some online conversion utility perhaps? | Dec 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Inkscape can work on Windows. | Dec 30 19:58 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll mention that | Dec 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What if conversion won't be successful? | Dec 30 19:59 |
| cubexyz | there's another problem too... | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | what the printer will take | Dec 30 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It doesn't generate PDF? | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | whatever the customer takes to the printer has to be in a form the printer can use | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | yeah it probably does | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | I don't use it myself | Dec 30 20:01 |
| cubexyz | I have problems with some PDF files with security features | Dec 30 20:01 |
| cubexyz | e.g. you get a coupon for a discount, but it doesn't work on linux | Dec 30 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | coupons for a discount in PDF? | Dec 30 20:04 |
| cubexyz | yes | Dec 30 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | Patrick bless Russia. | Dec 30 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I didn't even suspect such a thing exists. | Dec 30 20:05 |
| cubexyz | oh it does for sure | Dec 30 20:05 |
| cubexyz | there's tons of them | Dec 30 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | I start to think that me lacking a credit card is also a miracle :). | Dec 30 20:06 |
| cubexyz | there's google checkout | Dec 30 20:10 |
| cubexyz | paypal, etc | Dec 30 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | that I also don't use | Dec 30 20:11 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, they discontinued google checkout didn't they | Dec 30 20:11 |
| cubexyz | what do you use to buy stuff online? | Dec 30 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, I ask my sister %). | Dec 30 20:12 |
| cubexyz | google checkout became google wallet | Dec 30 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | if by online you mean "from China" | Dec 30 20:12 |
| cubexyz | I buy stuff on ebay sometimes, I try to buy from Canada, then United States | Dec 30 20:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Droid Life | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clementine Review - One of the Best Music | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Players on https://t.co/XCG8Ewf8ZC | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.softpedia.com) ... https://t.co/UXapPsH7aX | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (joindiaspora.com) | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7h8 | Dec 30 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linux | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| cubexyz | but I've also bought stuff from China without any problems | Dec 30 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linuxhttp://ww... | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| XRevan86 | sites like aliexpress | Dec 30 20:13 |
| cubexyz | tch, google wallet only works with android and ios | Dec 30 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Jkt124/status/682295826501230592 | Dec 30 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Jkt124: @schestowitz @Marcin_Kaminski kolejni do wygaszenia :-) | Dec 30 20:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DarthLukan/status/682296201878843397 | Dec 30 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DarthLukan: The world is a lesser and darker place without him. https://t.co/qanbsMhQGl | Dec 30 20:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Debian founder and Docker employee Ian Murdock has died at 42 https://t.co/vNS7IhpfoM fuck. So it was true. #policeBrutality | Dec 30 20:25 | |
| cubexyz | what the heck happened? | Dec 30 20:25 |
| r_schestowitz | scroll up | Dec 30 20:26 |
| cubexyz | no cause of death | Dec 30 20:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682297653040951297 | Dec 30 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Shame @schestowitz I enjoyed talking to him. Used Debian since 1993... | Dec 30 20:32 | |
| cubexyz | threatening suicide and then beaten up? | Dec 30 20:36 |
| cubexyz | monday night | Dec 30 20:41 |
| cubexyz | over a day ago and we still don't know very much | Dec 30 20:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682297653040951297 | Dec 30 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BSD Unix-like OS is Resurrected for Embedded | Dec 30 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IoT Market https://t.co/NPDXeEyRbi | Dec 30 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rk | Dec 30 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BSD Unix-like OS is Resurrected for Embedded IoT Market | Tux Machines | Dec 30 21:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines RIP Ian Murdock https://t.co/LFFwV1AHtS | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rl | Dec 30 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RIP Ian Murdock | Tux Machines | Dec 30 21:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rm | Dec 30 21:36 |
| msb__ | Murdock was beaten by police and then -- somehow as a result -- said he was going to kill himself. Then he said he wasn't. | Dec 30 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Techrights | Dec 30 21:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | but did it anyway | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | IMHO | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | (MY opinion) | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | )opinion | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Some dicks online controbuted to it | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | They mocked him | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | and the media didn't get this coverage | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | so rather than make a big deal out of it many called him insane | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and other worse things | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | like "his career is over" | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | He must have read some responses like these | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | esp. in reddit afaik | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | Instead they should have offered more real support | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | 2 friends of mine whom I spoke to shortly after his threat was made dismissed him as fake | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I once needed to help a german friend after he wanted to kill himself | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | me and other friend, hans, stayed with him all night | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | to take him through it | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | about his family, with tears and all | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | until he was stable enough to go on | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Murdock was widely ridiculed after these rants online | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | the very opposite of what he needed | Dec 30 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | and maybe the people whom he asked to contact him didn't | Dec 30 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | which also is their failure in a way | Dec 30 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | but we shall be hearing more about it in the coming days/weeks/month | Dec 30 21:51 |
| msb__ | Here's a listing of his tweets that includes more than I saw originally: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM | Dec 30 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | ian murdock - Pastebin.com | Dec 30 21:54 | |
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| cubexyz | who is jackstormwriter? | Dec 30 21:57 |
| cubexyz | seems like a real ass | Dec 30 21:57 |
| msb__ | He said he needed stitches. That would seem to indicate that the police hit him on the head. Psychopaths do that to destroy a person's brain. I wonder if he had a clot or a bleed, and whether he had a scan in the hospital. | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: not a valid account | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | i wondered the same the other day | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe someone who deleted his/her account | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | we'll find out soon, I guess | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't know what the hastag in the suicide threat meant | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | with a number, 67 IIRC, at the end | Dec 30 21:58 |
| cubexyz | more than one beat down is stated too | Dec 30 21:59 |
| cubexyz | "188. Then beat me up some more." | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: plausible | Dec 30 22:01 |
| r_schestowitz | I didn't even think of that | Dec 30 22:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Dec 30 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ECpu4vjc2S (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7uo | Dec 30 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 22:02 | |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: If so, it could have put him into a very confused state that could account for the somewhat incoherent tweets and the suicide. | Dec 30 22:05 |
| msb__ | I hope there's an autopsy. If his brain was damaged, then the cops are guilty of manslaughter at the very least, maybe worse given multiple beatings. | Dec 30 22:08 |
| msb__ | But a coverup is much more likely. | Dec 30 22:09 |
| r_schestowitz | fair points | Dec 30 22:10 |
| msb__ | Brain bleeds can be progressive, causing worsening of symptoms over periods of hours. | Dec 30 22:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jdub/status/682276977772871680 | Dec 30 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jdub: Ian left an extraordinarily influential legacy in Debian. https://t.co/iwsBDm9CpA | Dec 30 22:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog | Dec 30 22:14 | |
| MinceR | now redhat is trying every trick they can to wipe out that legacy | Dec 30 22:15 |
| msb__ | It could even have been a hit. Some years ago a 911 investigator made some inquiries to the Israeli consulate. Shortly thereafter he was attacked by cops at his home in a suburb of Chicago, his arm broken, and he eventually had to flee to Europe. | Dec 30 22:15 |
| r_schestowitz | > No details, yet, but he's dead already: | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > That is really bad news. And on top of that, the police basically | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > killed him. I hope the details get out if they help. | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | Based on one theory, may have been a blood clot after so many blows to the head | Dec 30 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ ) | Dec 30 22:17 | |
| zoobab | I made a backup of the tweets: | Dec 30 22:18 |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/ | Dec 30 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-filez.zoobab.com | Index of /misc/debian-murdock-twitter/ | Dec 30 22:18 | |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/debian-murdock-twitter-last-tweets.txt | Dec 30 22:18 |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/debian-murdock-twitter-last-tweets.pdf | Dec 30 22:18 |
| r_schestowitz | cheers | Dec 30 22:18 |
| r_schestowitz | Other people backed it up too | Dec 30 22:18 |
| r_schestowitz | zoobab: tweeted | Dec 30 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ian was working in Docker, remember? | Dec 30 22:19 |
| MinceR | yes | Dec 30 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | if I understand correctly, Docker initially only supported working with systemd-nspawn | Dec 30 22:20 |
| MinceR | i thought they were competing | Dec 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | i also thought docker predated systemd | Dec 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | in any case, the legacy that was the subject was debian, not docker | Dec 30 22:21 |
| r_schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524 | Dec 30 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/od7xf ] | Dec 30 22:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | In a tweet, he wrote that "@jacksormwriter wants me dead". | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | I wonder who that is... | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Source at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:le7oSCj... | Dec 30 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | cache:le7oSCj - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/od7xg ] | Dec 30 22:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | " If I recall from reading the original, it was just someone who showed up and (I think sincerely helpfully) told him that if he wants retribution against the police, any lawyer would tell him to stop discussing the specifics of the case on social media. " | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "I went back and looked earlier today, and that is what I found, also, except that I didn't find him talking about lawyers and did find him advising Ian to "lay low" (presumably so the police wouldn't seek retribution against Ian.) I didn't find anything from that other guy that was anything other than sincerely trying to be helpful. (Of course, there could have been deleted tweets.)" | Dec 30 22:23 |
| msb__ | Full conspiracy theory: Five attacks on FOSS: UEFI, systemd, KDE4/5/Plasma, SJW vs Linux, murder of Ian Murdock. N.B. _theory_ | Dec 30 22:29 |
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| msb__ | Oops SJW vs Linus | Dec 30 22:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813830 | Dec 30 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | I like this better than the docker post. https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mournin... | Hacker News | Dec 30 22:32 | |
| msb__ | Actually, I don't see how killing Murdock would help the rulers prevent people from using Linux. But maybe it could be a sort of attack on the subconscious. | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Main notes: | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this will be easily proven. | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | * His last tweet is "abcolucity i'll tweet it or twitch it or whenever the rufk can i have 30 minutes toe wtie my suittyes ?" This to me strongly suggests a head injury. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | * "The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise." | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | * "watch my blog later http://ianmurdock.com" "I'm not committing suicide today. I'll write this all up first, so the police brutality ENDEMIC in this so call free country will be known." There are no posts about this on his blog. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | Ian Murdock | Linux old timer. Debian founder. Sun alum. Salesforce ExactTarget exec. | Dec 30 22:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police. I also believe that the police will rule that it was a suicide; but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | (EDIT: At some point in this saga, Ian's Twitter account got hacked. The deleted account, and the strange last tweet, were probably a result of that.) | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Dec 30 22:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | ars 1 hour ago | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | "This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in" | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Exactly. And yet you write "He was repeatedly beaten by the police" ... "this will be easily proven". | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Your post is incredibly irresponsible. You know nothing at all of what happened, all you have are the posts of someone having a mental breakdown. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | And you don't just stop at what he wrote on twitter. No, you continue with literally stuff from your own imagination: | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | "I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police." | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | People's lives have been ruined many many times by other people jumping to conclusions before knowing all the facts. I don't know if jumping to conclusions will hurt anyone here, but you should NOT do it. Ever. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | PS. This: "but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie" does not in the slightest rule out suicide. People committing suicide almost always have future plans. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | cjbprime 1 hour ago | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > This to me strongly suggests a head injury. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Or, more likely in my mind, that if his chosen suicide method was overdose, the overdose had already begun at the time of this tweet. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | (When I say "more likely" I'm not trying to suggest that I actually know what happened; merely that I can find explanations that are at least as convincing as your chosen one, so I don't think anyone should be claiming they have good ideas on what happened from reading the tweets.) | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | reply | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | "Who will investigate Ian's death? Will it be the same police that beat him up? Or their friends?" | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Well, to be fair, he could have been really drunk or high as a cope with his angst... Only the autopsy can reveal head injury/substance presence. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | EDIT: Have you never attempted to type anything on a keyboard/phone when really drunk? Its fucking HARD. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | So to immediately conclude that he suffered from head trauma (as opposed to deep emotional trauma) is short sighted, and like I said can only be revealed (hopefully) in an autopsy. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't now any details of what happened. But, PTSD is a real thing and it can deeply effect people. Being assaulted by police and then having them charge you for the crime of trying to protect yourself is an entirely plausible cause for PTSD. I know several activists who suffer from and have been treated for PTSD based on their past interactions with police, and some have been suicidal and needed immediate hospitalization. And, the | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | suicide statistics of veterans suffering PTSD are horrifying. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | In short: Ian may have been suffering from PTSD. It may have struck very fast and very hard, so much so that his loved ones didn't have time to get him the help he needed to cope with his pain. The idea that it is not comprehensible comes from a place of privilege of never having experienced something so horrible that it caused significant damage to your mind and sense of well-being. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Bullshit. Police beat the shit out of people, unprovoked, every day. They murder 12 year old boys without hesitation (Tamir Rice). They'll kill a woman in her jail cell because she knew her rights and tried to exercise them (Sandra Bland). They'll chase down (stealing a car to make the chase more exciting) and execute an innocent man because he happens to be black and trying to go into the bank where he has an account (Larry Jackson, Jr.). | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I could type all day and not finish the list of unarmed people who did nothing wrong who are dead by the hands of cops. The number who've been beaten by police is astronomically higher. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Ian is a well-known quantity, and what we know is that he was extraordinarily kind and generous. I don't believe for a second that he did anything to deserve to have a police officer beat him up. Not all police are vicious bullies, but I'm more willing to believe Ian had the misfortune to cross paths with a vicious bully than I am to believe he deserved being beaten up. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 22:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Techrights | Dec 30 22:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682326034474205185 | Dec 30 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: @schestowitz If you didn't already know you can view Ian Murdock's tweets from https://t.co/CiZFGKrDKF | Dec 30 22:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 30 22:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | there are many copies in lots of places | Dec 30 22:39 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682326411781226496 | Dec 30 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz given that he's no more, barring these few tweets, we won't ever know his side of the whole story. I hope that's not the case. | Dec 30 22:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682330351809630209 | Dec 30 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz sad | Dec 30 22:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @softpedialinux https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Debian is one of the three most widely used | Dec 30 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux distros" https://t.co/LN5T3xPuV2 | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterknowledge.com | Open Source Pioneer Ian Murdock Dead at 42 | Data Center Knowledge | Dec 30 23:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “It would also appear the Mr. Murdock’s Twitter | Dec 30 23:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | account was closed today.” | Dec 30 23:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ian Murdock, Debian GNU/Linux Founder, Passed Away | Dec 30 23:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shotwell Review - An Almost Invisible and | Dec 30 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Useful Application https://t.co/87Dea3POvA | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com | Shotwell Review - An Almost Invisible and Useful Application | Dec 30 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow features | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Android 6.0 Marshmallow features - Android Authority | Dec 30 23:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 | Dec 30 23:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Tux Machines | Dec 30 23:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682341465444372481 | Dec 30 23:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "Maybe my suicide…a successful business man, not a NIGGER,… finally bring some attention to this very serious issue" https://t.co/Hla3BzpYuv | Dec 30 23:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "He may also have actually been in jail. I have been unable to find a record of the arrest." https://t.co/iEwJvBXReT #murdock | Dec 30 23:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch | Tux Machines | Dec 30 23:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Red Hat is a "top pick" for 2016 according to | Dec 30 23:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | one Wall Street analyst" | Dec 30 23:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat an analyst top '16 pick; Kalobios bakruptcy; Apple's $350M tax deal; offensive trademarks case :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire | Dec 30 23:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Carmageddon: Reincarnation still aiming for a | Dec 30 23:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux version https://t.co/uXSSiIKo7w | Dec 30 23:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Carmageddon: Reincarnation still aiming for a Linux version | GamingOnLinux | Dec 30 23:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/682344103204409344 | Dec 30 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: To think, not so long ago we used to loudly applaud every game ported to Linux. Thanks to @steam_games it's humdrum! https://t.co/qJNu9iMI9D | Dec 30 23:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Carmageddon : Reincarnation still aiming for a #Linux version https://t.co/EGBOHk9XIh #games #gnu | Dec 30 23:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | v | Dec 30 23:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/davidmhall/status/682345979983622144 | Dec 30 23:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@davidmhall: @schestowitz I would respectfully suggest it's "Us v. Them", "the Dominators v. The Dominated" | Dec 30 23:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ori and the Blind Forest won't come to Linux | Dec 30 23:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for now, due to Microsoft | Dec 30 23:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Ori and the Blind Forest won't come to Linux for now, thanks to Microsoft | GamingOnLinux | Dec 30 23:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OSI Mourns Co-Founder Ian Murdock | Dec 30 23:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dfFda1YP7k (opensource.org) | Dec 30 23:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | OSI Mourns Co-Founder Ian Murdock | Open Source Initiative | Dec 30 23:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Dec 30 23:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com | 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 - AndroidPIT | Dec 30 23:54 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ian-murdock-police-report.jpg | Dec 30 23:57 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Gordon_Carswell/status/682350046352912384 | Dec 31 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gordon_Carswell: @schestowitz @AFP Yay freedom!! Err...hide! | Dec 31 00:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi | Dec 31 00:05 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: thanks | Dec 31 00:06 |
| r_schestowitz | good find | Dec 31 00:06 |
| r_schestowitz | didn't see anyone else managing to find it | Dec 31 00:07 |
| cubexyz | it's real | Dec 31 00:09 |
| cubexyz | checked vinelink.com myself | Dec 31 00:09 |
| cubexyz | something must have happened after Sunday though | Dec 31 00:10 |
| cubexyz | the reporting agency is the San Fransisco County Sheriff's Office | Dec 31 00:11 |
| cubexyz | San Francisco | Dec 31 00:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/682262086966231041 https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/682259104690253825 | Dec 31 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: @ggreenwald You should have warned me. | Dec 31 00:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: @alexrblackwell @NCSCgov They'll probably go with the @EFF hoodie. More rustle for their hustle. | Dec 31 00:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | He died on Monday, no? | Dec 31 00:12 |
| cubexyz | yes I think so | Dec 31 00:12 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682352359662600192 | Dec 31 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz this is sounding really suspicious. I wonder how the Debian community will react to it. | Dec 31 00:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: what can we deduce from the report other than his middle name | Dec 31 00:13 |
| cubexyz | well there's the Sheriff's Office phone number | Dec 31 00:14 |
| cubexyz | (415)-553-1430 | Dec 31 00:14 |
| cubexyz | found dead at home | Dec 31 00:18 |
| cubexyz | I would suggest checking San Francisco media, e.g. web sites, newspapers, radio, etc | Dec 31 00:23 |
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| oiaohm | https://android.googlesource.com/platform/libcore.git/+/51b1b6997fd3f980076b8081f7f1165ccc2a4008 Now this does not look good for the apache fork of java | Dec 31 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android.googlesource.com | 51b1b6997fd3f980076b8081f7f1165ccc2a4008 - platform/libcore.git - Git at Google | Dec 31 00:25 | |
| msb__ | Shouldn't there be an arrest report? Aren't arrest reports publicly available? | Dec 31 00:29 |
| cubexyz | nothign I can find as yet | Dec 31 00:31 |
| cubexyz | there's http://sfsheriff.com | Dec 31 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfsheriff.com | San Francisco Sheriff's Department | Dec 31 00:32 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.sfgate.com/arrestrecords/san_francisco/ | Dec 31 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sfgate.com | San Francisco Arrest Records in the San Francisco Bay Area at SFGate - SFGate [ http://ur1.ca/od8fw ] | Dec 31 00:33 | |
| cubexyz | no idea why Murdock was arrrested in the first place | Dec 31 00:36 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: was the screenshot real? | Dec 31 00:36 |
| cubexyz | anyone can log onto http://www.vinelink.com and check it | Dec 31 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vinelink.com | VINELink | Dec 31 00:37 | |
| cubexyz | select california and Offender ID: 608067 | Dec 31 00:37 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Dec 31 00:39 |
| r_schestowitz | I am trying to help people like SJVN and other FOSS journalists get info | Dec 31 00:40 |
| r_schestowitz | Just posted the phone number | Dec 31 00:40 |
| r_schestowitz | Because we need a deeper, pushy inquiry | Dec 31 00:40 |
| r_schestowitz | in case he was killed because of the blows | Dec 31 00:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 | Dec 31 00:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Dec 31 00:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux BspWM Community Edition 15.12 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS | Dec 31 00:42 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch | Dec 31 00:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Seen Profiting From | Dec 31 00:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Growing Interest In Open-Source Software | Dec 31 00:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theenterpriseleader.com | Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Seen Profiting From Growing Interest In Open-Source Software | Dec 31 00:42 | |
| cubexyz | you could try http://sfgov.org/medexaminer | Dec 31 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfgov.org | Office of the Medical Examiner | Dec 31 00:43 | |
| cubexyz | maybe they would tell us the cause of death | Dec 31 00:43 |
| r_schestowitz | can you phone them up now? | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | still office hours in SF | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | see what they say | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | about the case/ID | Dec 31 00:44 |
| cubexyz | sure, I'll send them an email | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | even if they say nothing, that's something | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | for publication | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | Ars Technica asked | Dec 31 00:44 |
| r_schestowitz | and got no reply as of yet... | Dec 31 00:44 |
| cubexyz | ok... email sent | Dec 31 00:48 |
| cubexyz | I specified his full name and birthday, and general circumstances | Dec 31 00:48 |
| cubexyz | current california time: 4:49 PM | Dec 31 00:49 |
| cubexyz | so maybe I'll get something back | Dec 31 00:49 |
| cubexyz | if Murdock is really dead then that office should know something | Dec 31 00:51 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Dec 31 00:52 |
| r_schestowitz | keep us updated | Dec 31 00:52 |
| r_schestowitz | as I will write updates even if there are none, which does say something | Dec 31 00:53 |
| cubexyz | they might not tell me anything as I'm not next of kin | Dec 31 00:53 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe | Dec 31 00:54 |
| r_schestowitz | I think the public has a certain right to know | Dec 31 00:55 |
| r_schestowitz | because there was police abuse in this case | Dec 31 00:55 |
| r_schestowitz | like stripping him, beatings to the head | Dec 31 00:55 |
| r_schestowitz | so there needs to be public demand for answers | Dec 31 00:55 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted the phone number twice online | Dec 31 00:55 |
| r_schestowitz | for people in the US (not only) to consider calling | Dec 31 00:55 |
| r_schestowitz | it might put some pressure on them, which I guess can't do any harm | Dec 31 00:55 |
| cubexyz | well if he died on Monday and it's wednesday they could at least confirm he's dead | Dec 31 00:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/negativland2006/status/682365838402433025 | Dec 31 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@negativland2006: @schestowitz @techdirt has anyone patented tactile entry of information yet, ie a keyboard, or buttons | Dec 31 01:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | the 'business method' taken by the person or the interpretation of keystrokes. Check IBM's trove; keyboard pats | Dec 31 01:16 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SRKQuiz/status/682368181403529221 | Dec 31 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SRKQuiz: @schestowitz True, but that doesn't mean he has to be in students' face. Statute can be removed. | Dec 31 01:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | Being offended as means for censorship is as oppressive in some cases | Dec 31 01:17 |
| cubexyz | the qwerty keyboard has been around a long time :) | Dec 31 01:18 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SRKQuiz/status/682368846439788544 | Dec 31 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SRKQuiz: .@schestowitz Ironic that Brits were so self-righteous about racists southerners and the confederate flag. Flag part of south's history too. | Dec 31 01:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but not the same as tactile | Dec 31 01:18 |
| r_schestowitz | IBM did lots of keyboatd so-called r and d | Dec 31 01:18 |
| r_schestowitz | like how to build the keys | Dec 31 01:18 |
| r_schestowitz | and make them feel snappy, be durable | Dec 31 01:18 |
| MinceR | afaik they did pretty well, until they switched to rubberdome | Dec 31 01:20 |
| MinceR | though i prefer cherry mx blue | Dec 31 01:20 |
| cubexyz | uh, IBM 1130 had a console: | Dec 31 01:20 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130.jpg | Dec 31 01:20 |
| cubexyz | that goes back to 1965 | Dec 31 01:21 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ibm-1130-console.jpg | Dec 31 01:25 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/682373156040904704 | Dec 31 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Far more dangerous here than from the exaggerated & glamour-branded "usual suspects." https://t.co/I99cPde1Ir | Dec 31 01:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: With over 10,000 gun-related deaths a year (including #police murders, suicides that may be caused by system's abuses), US looks more scary | Dec 31 01:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kambrone64/status/682374365216915456 | Dec 31 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kambrone64: @schestowitz @NewsCoverUp i think the only thing to help to stop with this violence within the US is the yellowstone caldera | Dec 31 01:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/682374469470441474 | Dec 31 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Funny, i was just listening to Gen. K.Alexander (ret.) saying he had wanted C. Rice 4 NSA credibility. https://t.co/8LbBznm9Rw | Dec 31 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Funny, i was just listening to Gen. K.Alexander (ret.) saying he had wanted C. Rice 4 NSA credibility. https://t.co/8LbBznm9Rw | Dec 31 01:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/682375474169827330 | Dec 31 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Poster Person of the decade for credibility & transparency-- https://t.co/t7q7mSx46k | Dec 31 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Condoleezza Rice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 31 01:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/ | Dec 31 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 • The Register | Dec 31 01:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | According to the San Francisco police, officers were called to Steiner and Union St in the city at 11.30pm on Saturday, December 26, following reports of a man trying to break into a home – that man was identified as Ian Murdock. He reportedly fought with the cops, and was given a ticket for two counts of assault and one for obstruction of an officer. The techie had been drinking, according to the police logs. A medic arrived to treat an | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | abrasion to Murdock's forehead, and he was released so he could be taken to hospital. | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | A few hours later, on Sunday, December 27 at 2.40am, police were called again to reports of Murdock banging on the door of a neighbor at the very same block. A medic arrived to treat him for any injuries at the scene. Next, the cops took Murdock to the county jail where he was held in a cell. | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | Murdock was bailed later that day, on Sunday, after a bond, said to be $25,000, was paid. He died the next day. | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | His family has asked people to respect their privacy during this difficult time. | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:43 |
| r_schestowitz | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/ | Dec 31 01:46 |
| r_schestowitz | "The worrying thing is that they're not just "The US Police". As recent court cases have shown, they're The World Police, because US law applies globally. So don't think you're safe from this kind of treatment, just because you're not unfortunate enough to live in the US." | Dec 31 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.co.uk | Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 • The Register Forums [ http://ur1.ca/od8oz ] | Dec 31 01:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: cubexyz msb__ but that't the "official" story from the police | Dec 31 01:49 |
| r_schestowitz | which one might consider sanitised | Dec 31 01:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and can dissect the text | Dec 31 01:49 |
| r_schestowitz | as if they were trying to help him | Dec 31 01:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and he was just some drunk aggressive man | Dec 31 01:49 |
| MinceR | yah | Dec 31 01:50 |
| MinceR | s/a/ea/ | Dec 31 01:50 |
| cubexyz | it just seems very strange | Dec 31 01:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ytodk/ian_murdock_dead_and_tweeting_about_police/ | Dec 31 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock Dead and tweeting about police brutality. How did he die!? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/od8q4 ] | Dec 31 01:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: your screenshot cited there | Dec 31 01:55 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe from my twitter feed | Dec 31 01:55 |
| r_schestowitz | "Cops murdered him, the only question is whether they pulled the trigger or just got him to do it himself." | Dec 31 01:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Maybe they mean punch/batter him to death | Dec 31 01:55 |
| r_schestowitz | "Interesting that that website labels him as an offender. Has he been convicted of anything yet? If not, surely he's not yet an offender." | Dec 31 01:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:56 |
| r_schestowitz | The family is requesting people respect their privacy and are referring to this as a "private matter." | Dec 31 01:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Until they speak more, this is a private matter for his family, a matter that they do not wish to be public. | Dec 31 01:56 |
| r_schestowitz | EDIT: | Dec 31 01:56 |
| r_schestowitz | You can, as Docker has asked, run your enquiries through Docker's contact. They may answer some of your questions? | Dec 31 01:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Families can be easily intimidated/reach secret settlements, and we'd still be left without the truth. Doesn't Ian deserve to have the truth revealed? That request seems to be right there in his last tweets. Almost like his dying wish. | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | And what happened to his promised blog posts before he died anyway? He sounded like he wouldn't have committed suicide until he would've posted more about it. Yet, they are nowhere to be seen and he's dead. Did he write them and got pulled down, too? But then who managed to pull the tweets as well as the blog posts? In the wake of his death, was the family really thinking about pulling that content down ASAP? Seems a little unusual. | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I just hope that for his sake and his memory, the family won't be the only one seeking more information about what happened. | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | "IF police corruption played a hand in this, then the fear/mistakes of his family should be sidestepped. They aren't just his family's police." | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | "Sometimes the family / next of kin ignores the wishes of the person who died, whose wishes should be followed in such a situation?" | Dec 31 01:57 |
| r_schestowitz | http://steamcommunity.com/app/261570/discussions/0/617329150704920661/?tscn=1451499879#c458604254450794350 | Dec 31 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-steamcommunity.com | Linux? :: Ori and the Blind Forest General Discussions | Dec 31 01:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | MS blocks Linux | Dec 31 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | doesn't "love Linux" | Dec 31 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ysdi4/ian_murdocks_twitter_is_gone/ | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | I see four likely options: | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | He killed himself after a major incident. He claimed to have been beaten twice and even stripped by a female officer. This option mainly assumes he was in a bad place already, though. | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | After seeing who they assaulted, the severity of the situation, and the fact they'd lose their jobs and go to prison for a long time, the crooked cops went back and finished him off. Or they had no idea about it and just went for round 2 a bit too hard. | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | He succumbed to mortal wounds inflicted in the beating. Likely internally bleeding. | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | He had a mental breakdown of some kind. Schizophrenia for instance, nothing really happened and he killed himself. | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | Really, we need to contact the local police and ask for more information as well as inform media outlets of the situation. "Rich, white, extremely important developer dies to police brutality" is a juicy headline that they'd love to investigate. | Dec 31 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Ian Murdock's Twitter is gone : linux | Dec 31 02:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | Edit: Someone found the this, proves he was arrested and made bail. | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | good comment for a change (in reddit) | Dec 31 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/douglaswan/status/682378533050646528 | Dec 31 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@douglaswan: 操 https://t.co/34OP12Y1wU | Dec 31 02:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ian Murdock's tweets, as text https://t.co/L8DJmCEcA8 | Dec 31 02:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run | Dec 31 02:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/KG1iCoGqQt | Dec 31 02:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.digitaljournal.com) | Dec 31 02:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8rj | Dec 31 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com | Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run Linux | Dec 31 02:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run | Dec 31 02:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/oc96T3qXTK | Dec 31 02:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 02:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8rk | Dec 31 02:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Op-Ed: Microsoft makes it more difficult to run Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 31 02:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Microsoft Loves Linux?! https://t.co/8hxpYUD5N5 | Dec 31 02:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 02:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od8rl | Dec 31 02:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Loves Linux?! | Tux Machines | Dec 31 02:10 | |
| msb__ | "abrasion to Murdock's forehead" "taken to hospital" "i had to have swtitches" -- sound like clubbed on the head by police truncheon. Fully capable of causing brain bleed. | Dec 31 02:19 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/walmyrcarvalho/status/682383691432259585 | Dec 31 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@walmyrcarvalho: That's bizarre. https://t.co/v71jKceXpi | Dec 31 02:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The cause of death is unclear at present, but Murdock tweeted the same day that he would commit suicide" https://t.co/EBpmIylXV1 | Dec 31 02:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kambrone64/status/682386240776310784 | Dec 31 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kambrone64: @NewsCoverUp @schestowitz :) | Dec 31 02:35 | |
| *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@unaffiliated/daemonfc) has joined #techrights | Dec 31 02:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/682390338569433089 | Dec 31 02:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: . @schestowitz @MarkEbner59 All the #murdock-case needs is a good investigative #journalist. Enough public interest exists. #Debian #Linux | Dec 31 02:43 | |
| MinceR | do those still exist? | Dec 31 02:43 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, well, not a single article has yet been written to challenge SF #police over their murder (of induced suicide) of #murdock | Dec 31 02:44 |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: a few | Dec 31 02:44 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe I will write about this in techrights? | Dec 31 02:44 |
| r_schestowitz | A bit off topic? | Dec 31 02:44 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 31 02:44 |
| r_schestowitz | I think it is | Dec 31 02:44 |
| r_schestowitz | what do you think? | Dec 31 02:44 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MartinHoyle0121/status/682390236547125248 | Dec 31 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MartinHoyle0121: #skynews #bbcnews @BillGates Have Concerns with You Manipulating Multi Choice #education in #USA https://t.co/VRDj3CXwHg Creativity Lost? ;) | Dec 31 02:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Dec 31 02:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | This too is a little OT | Dec 31 02:45 |
| r_schestowitz | But less on criminal law, more on software monopolist | Dec 31 02:45 |
| MinceR | Murdock's case does seem a bit off topic | Dec 31 02:46 |
| MinceR | at least until we find out the reasons behind it | Dec 31 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that he went nuts on Twitter and then was threatening to kill himself. | Dec 31 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | Then his account was deleted before anything archived any of it. | Dec 31 02:48 |
| msb__ | I just phoned the SF Central Records Unit, and the guy said that to get a copy of the arrest record (which he did find) I would have to call the legal dept and send them a fax sheet from my organization (which he thinks would have to be govt or media) and they would fax it back (maybe -- he didn't know what else is involved). -- said to call 415 554 7225 city hall exec secy of sheriff's office and ask for Freya Horne or Mark Nicco | Dec 31 02:49 |
| MinceR | there's an archive of it on archive.is | Dec 31 02:49 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/OPlI7 | Dec 31 02:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 31 02:50 | |
| msb__ | I guess Da Reg must have done this. | Dec 31 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That is pretty unintelligible. I think that someone else got control of his account. | Dec 31 02:52 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: Do you have an official looking fax cover sheet? | Dec 31 02:52 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: The arrest was real. The SFPD has a record of it. | Dec 31 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, nobody knows what actually happened. | Dec 31 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | Was he on drugs? Did he attack the police officers? | Dec 31 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682392347301261312 | Dec 31 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz Strange that the female cop who hit Davis wasn't named in the deposition details. Wasn't Murdock also claiming female hit him? | Dec 31 02:54 | |
| msb__ | Techright.org is as legitimate as The Register | Dec 31 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/682392395342807040 | Dec 31 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: Not jet! I feel a wave rising... Info @MarkEbner59 @schestowitz #murdock #justice4murdock https://t.co/YchKR8sNxO | Dec 31 02:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@Lars9596 yes, well, not a single article has yet been written to challenge SF #police over their murder (of induced suicide) of #murdock | Dec 31 02:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | [02:46] <MinceR> Murdock's case does seem a bit off topic | Dec 31 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah, see above | Dec 31 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | I reckon the general media will be on it tomorrow if they're not off work | Dec 31 02:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so no point to doing what will be done soon anyway | Dec 31 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not rich and I've never been treated by the police the way he described. In fact, they have given me warnings when they could have given me speeding tickets. | Dec 31 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I called the police last month because a homeless guy passed out in the lobby, and they sent fire and rescue, three police cars, an ambulance, and some other stuff to make sure he was alright. | Dec 31 02:57 |
| msb__ | I think The Register redacted the arrest report. It should give the exact address of the door he was banging on. If we had that, we could do a reverse lookup and maybe contact them. I don't think the corporate media are going to do that. | Dec 31 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | They spend tons of money on that sort of thing every year. | Dec 31 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that the police go out looking to attack people for no reason. | Dec 31 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: great, thanks, posted this info online | Dec 31 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | [02:54] <DaemonFC> Was he on drugs? Did he attack the police officers? | Dec 31 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | You're too late to the paety | Dec 31 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | a lot is known now | Dec 31 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | *party | Dec 31 02:58 |
| r_schestowitz | your questions show you're half a day behind | Dec 31 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | I saw the Slashdot article and not much more. | Dec 31 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | he was bleeding and stuff | Dec 31 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | partial vision | Dec 31 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | and shakiness | Dec 31 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | so like I said 2 nights ago, it's consistent with what you might expect | Dec 31 02:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/682394043377123333 | Dec 31 03:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz taser=a deadly weapon for attacking the unarmed and vulnerable. | Dec 31 03:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/682394250479300609 | Dec 31 03:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: Murdock: https://t.co/WB7S55fpLW | Dec 31 03:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "they beat the shit out of me twice... i had to go to the hospital... they followed me home... pulled me out of my house...have swtitches" | Dec 31 03:00 | |
| msb__ | Still, I think a taser or stungun is better than clubbing someone on the head. | Dec 31 03:02 |
| msb__ | I think there are also shotgun cartridges that fire a net at a person. | Dec 31 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Sounds like a manic episode with a psychotic break." wrote one commenter on Breitbart. | Dec 31 03:03 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: not just in fiction? | Dec 31 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | There are huge gaps in the story and most of it is hearsay. | Dec 31 03:05 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: can't find a net cartridge but there are definitely beanbag rounds. | Dec 31 03:09 |
| msb__ | I would think two or three cops wearing face shields and leather gloves and jackets would be able to subdue an unarmed man using just their hands. Or club him anywhere _except_ his head or neck. There's also "mace". | Dec 31 03:12 |
| r_schestowitz | face shields can be used as weapons | Dec 31 03:16 |
| r_schestowitz | head-butting | Dec 31 03:16 |
| msb__ | Or call a firetruck and squirt him with a high-pressure water stream. There are lots of ways to subdue a person (who doesn't have a gun) that don't cause permanent injury. But cops are too lazy to use them, or aren't provided with them, so it's easier to shoot the person or hit them on the head. | Dec 31 03:17 |
| r_schestowitz | water cannons can be dangerous too | Dec 31 03:19 |
| r_schestowitz | can knock a person down on the head | Dec 31 03:19 |
| msb__ | I don't know why tranquilizer darts are routinely used on animals but never on people. | Dec 31 03:19 |
| r_schestowitz | a friend of mine almost died after being punched down by some thug | Dec 31 03:19 |
| r_schestowitz | he survived after a coma | Dec 31 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | needed the skull redone | Dec 31 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, hosing people down from fire trucks is a great way to be killed in Grand Theft Auto V. | Dec 31 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: maybe the arrow don't have immediate effect | Dec 31 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | *arrows | Dec 31 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | Assuming they manage to get to you... | Dec 31 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | twitter says I got 91,000 impressions in the past 24 hours | Dec 31 03:21 |
| msb__ | So, just wait. They guy doesn't have a gun, so he's not hurting anybody. | Dec 31 03:21 |
| r_schestowitz | this is more than usual, nearly 100,000 impressions | Dec 31 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | These bigger cities are kind of messed up. Lots of homeless people here in Fort Wayne. Always trying to bum money. | Dec 31 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | Had a guy stick his head into my car the other day while I was in the drive thru at Starbucks, asking me for a $20. You get that two or three times in one block sometimes. | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Chicago PD got taser approved today | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Taser stock to rise | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | and ... | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft tase | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Globes English - Microsoft buys digital pen co N-trig for $200m - גלובס | http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-microsoft-buys-digital-pen-co-n-trig-for-200m-1001009295 | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Live Takes New York 3D | TechCrunch | http://techcrunch.com/2007/05/28/microsoft-live-takes-new-york-3d/ | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - WSJ : Microsoft in adware best practice talks with Israeli Co Babylon ... | http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2014/06/08/wsj-microsoft-in-adware-best-practice-talks-with-israeli-co-babylon-perion-ironsource/ | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Dan Tase | LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/tasedan | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft taser | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - TASER International and Microsoft Corp. announce partnership to ... | https://news.microsoft.com/2015/10/26/taser-international-and-microsoft-corp-announce-partnership-to-deliver-a-trusted-cloud-solution-for-law-enforcement/ | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft, Taser Enter Police Body Camera Partnership | http://www.fastcompany.com/3052764/fast-feed/microsoft-taser-enter-police-body-camera-partnership | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - TASER (TASR) Stock Gains on New Microsoft Partnership - TheStreet | http://www.thestreet.com/story/13338298/1/taser-tasr-stock-gains-on-new-microsoft-partnership.html | Dec 31 03:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft And Taser Announce Partnership To Boost Technology ... | http://www.techtimes.com/articles/100162/20151027/microsoft-taser-announce-partnership.htm | Dec 31 03:22 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: That's because our whole capitalist economic system is messed up. No jobs for about 1/3 of the people. | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | or more | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | or part time | Dec 31 03:22 |
| r_schestowitz | or 0-hour contract | Dec 31 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I spoke to some who have this problem | Dec 31 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | they live on very little money | Dec 31 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | and some work several jobs at the same time just to pay for rent and food | Dec 31 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, Walmart starts at $10 now. They could make $400 a week guaranteed if they'd go get a job. | Dec 31 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I met a journalist today and we spoke for 3 hours | Dec 31 03:23 |
| r_schestowitz | he hardly earns enough money to make a living | Dec 31 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | You see that at every Walmart "Now hiring, all positions.". | Dec 31 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | he lives in London with his g/f | Dec 31 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | (who doesn't have a job) | Dec 31 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | Unemployment in Fort Wayne is like 3.6% right now. | Dec 31 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | he has a university degree | Dec 31 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | People who want a job will find one. | Dec 31 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: if I work once a week at a bakery in indiana, am I "employed"? | Dec 31 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | It's easier to stick your head in someone's car and bum money off of them I guess. | Dec 31 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | If that's the most my boss/supervisor gives me | Dec 31 03:24 |
| r_schestowitz | to keep me off pension rights and other key benefits? | Dec 31 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:24] <DaemonFC> Unemployment in Fort Wayne is like 3.6% right now. | Dec 31 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | Most of them are 32-40 hours a week. | Dec 31 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | My butt is 3% black | Dec 31 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | those numbers don't say much | Dec 31 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | mostly gamed stats to make some local authority of federal gov. look good | Dec 31 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | They'd rather take advantage of the panhandling and free stuff. | Dec 31 03:25 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: people who have given up looking for work in the official places are not counted in the unemployment figures, which are actually about 25%. | Dec 31 03:25 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:25] <DaemonFC> Most of them are 32-40 hours a week. | Dec 31 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | most meaning >50% | Dec 31 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | What about the rest of them? What's the average? the median? | Dec 31 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | How many people are forced to do 60 hours per week for salary of just 40 hours? | Dec 31 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, and there is public assistance to go along with what you make at work if you're that damned poor. | Dec 31 03:26 |
| msb__ | The richest 1% really do have 99% of the wealth. | Dec 31 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | no | Dec 31 03:26 |
| r_schestowitz | >50% in 2016 | Dec 31 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | food stamps, low income housing, free childcare, HIP (free healthcare) | Dec 31 03:27 |
| MinceR | 041950 < msb__> I don't know why tranquilizer darts are routinely used on animals but never on people. | Dec 31 03:27 |
| r_schestowitz | not sure if in US or global, can't recall | Dec 31 03:27 |
| MinceR | dosage is very difficult on those | Dec 31 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | There's like over 400,000 people on HIP now. | Dec 31 03:27 |
| MinceR | too little, and there's no effect | Dec 31 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's funded with Medicaid money. | Dec 31 03:27 |
| MinceR | too much and you get a corpse | Dec 31 03:27 |
| r_schestowitz | [03:27] <MinceR> dosage is very difficult on those | Dec 31 03:27 |
| r_schestowitz | welcome to lethal injection | Dec 31 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | People are avoiding working more to get more stuff like HIP. | Dec 31 03:27 |
| MinceR | yup | Dec 31 03:27 |
| r_schestowitz | unofficial, spontaneous death penalty | Dec 31 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | You keep under the income cap, you get free healthcare, so people are asking for fewer hours. | Dec 31 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | hands up so we can aim at your bellybutton | Dec 31 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | (not the neck) | Dec 31 03:28 |
| MinceR | right, you might not want the operators to get to decide to give a lethal dose on purpose either | Dec 31 03:28 |
| r_schestowitz | with animals you can shoot and wait | Dec 31 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's a pretty simple decision, r_schestowitz. You work 30 hours, you get $1,200 a month and don't have any healthcare expenses. | Dec 31 03:29 |
| r_schestowitz | until they get clam/sleepy | Dec 31 03:29 |
| r_schestowitz | not with potentially violent people, esp. if armed | Dec 31 03:29 |
| r_schestowitz | can't shoot and lurk | Dec 31 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | You work 40 hours a month, you get another $400 income, but then they tax that, and you're on your own for health insurance and copays and all that. | Dec 31 03:29 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682402424057905156 | Dec 31 03:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz @Snowden The foundation for so many distros | Dec 31 03:29 | |
| DaemonFC | You're basically working the extra hours for free, so people ask why they should bother. | Dec 31 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | People are asking for 30 hour a week jobs because HIP is a pretty sweet deal when you compare it to the health insurance that Walmart offers. | Dec 31 03:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682403337895985152 | Dec 31 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Outside of specialists' domain, #Microsoft-bribed #msm try to divide #FOSS—dissing OS as not 'shiny' as derivative X https://t.co/6MHWr0bZq5 | Dec 31 03:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #debian is not some redundant project or a replaceable one. @snowden used it (Tails is Debian-based) to leak stuff, #assange ex-Debian dev | Dec 31 03:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | Shiny OS... like physical patent... ascribing physical properties to something virtual | Dec 31 03:31 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: not everyone can get a job | Dec 31 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | not even with criminal record | Dec 31 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | or obesity akin to diability | Dec 31 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | *disability | Dec 31 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | some places just don't hire or hire only those most capable for them | Dec 31 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's really cheap to live here. | Dec 31 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | so some people in their 50s might be in forever limbo | Dec 31 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | You could eek by on $700 a month if you had to. | Dec 31 03:32 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: not cheap when you have no income | Dec 31 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | no job means no income | Dec 31 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | A job at Walmart means living and extra spending money if you're not an idiot and don't fill your house with a litter of children. | Dec 31 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and I'm not sure what government handouts are like in Indiana | Dec 31 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Here in the UK they hand over houses to people | Dec 31 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | sometimes decent houses | Dec 31 03:33 |
| *WeS has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Dec 31 03:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | Council Houses they're called here | Dec 31 03:33 |
| r_schestowitz | pensioners or veterans sometimes require them | Dec 31 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, They don't usually do that here, but it's pretty cheap to rent an apartment even if there's no subsidy. | Dec 31 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | not necessarily bad people at all, I see many of them around | Dec 31 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, low income housing here just means crime and filth. | Dec 31 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I remember your old stories | Dec 31 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | It's why nobody wants it anywhere. | Dec 31 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | where you used to live, in that horrible apartment with lunatic neighbours | Dec 31 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | That was around 2009... | Dec 31 03:34 |
| r_schestowitz | i too lived in a small studio apartment at the time | Dec 31 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, they were pretty crazy. | Dec 31 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | But a murder in Huntington is maybe a once or twice per decade thing. | Dec 31 03:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I forgot people's names, except Madame harmon and Gonad the barbarian | Dec 31 03:35 |
| r_schestowitz | or John later | Dec 31 03:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I forgot the mayor's name | Dec 31 03:35 |
| cubexyz | lol | Dec 31 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like the southeast side of Indianapolis or Fort Wayne, where they carjack you or mug you or just shoot you for no reason. | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | the one whom I GIMPed | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | with the tache | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | he's in some old techrights article | Dec 31 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, Updike. | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | can't recall which | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Haha, yes | Dec 31 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I volunteered with the mayor's re-election campaign this year. We're having dinner with him next month. | Dec 31 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Fort Wayne, that is. | Dec 31 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | He's a nice guy. | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Updike was gender fluid | Dec 31 03:36 |
| r_schestowitz | after some GIMPing | Dec 31 03:37 |
| r_schestowitz | You used to rant about him though | Dec 31 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, he was an idiot. | Dec 31 03:37 |
| r_schestowitz | used to watch pr0n or something with his thing out when caught IIRC, or maybe that was someone else | Dec 31 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | The voters got rid of him. The trash pickup debacle was the last straw. | Dec 31 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | 10 bags of trash in front of everyone's house over Easter Sunday because he stopped pickup until the town council passed a tax hike. | Dec 31 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | ah, yes | Dec 31 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | His support evaporated immediately. | Dec 31 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | that was what the GIMPing was about | Dec 31 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | sesame street style | Dec 31 03:38 |
| r_schestowitz | cookie monster | Dec 31 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | Oscar The Grouch | Dec 31 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | The mayor in a trashcan with the lid for the hat. | Dec 31 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | Posted that around town. | Dec 31 03:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 31 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Allen County Democratic Party had a pretty nice election day party. We got to go up on stage with the mayor. | Dec 31 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | He's quite approachable. | Dec 31 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | Mayor Henry came into the office and told us all to grab a cold beer out of the fridge. | Dec 31 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | They kept buying us lunch and stuff. | Dec 31 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, The economy of Fort Wayne is doing much better than the overall economy of Indiana. | Dec 31 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | We're about two full points below the state unemployment average. | Dec 31 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | The reason there's so many homeless is because that doesn't fly in the smaller towns. They don't have any services for them, so they go elsewhere. | Dec 31 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | It makes sense really, especially in the winter. There's no place in Huntington that shelters the homeless when it gets down to zero degrees outside, and certainly nobody will give them a meal or two every day. | Dec 31 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | They find their way to the nearest big city and it becomes a problem there. | Dec 31 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Dec 31 03:47 |
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| DaemonFC | I've got like 21 Blu Ray discs on order that haven't arrived yet. :P | Dec 31 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | The holidays mess up the mail something awful here. | Dec 31 03:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Olaaudreyhere/status/682409012533530624 | Dec 31 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Olaaudreyhere: https://t.co/u3v8mcQ1SD RT schestowitz: 'Incredible' Winter Flooding Along #Mississippi River Could Be Historic … https://t.co/ovCrsDWCVg | Dec 31 04:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Lean on By Major Lazer & DJ Snake feat Barack Obama - YouTube | Dec 31 04:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Incredible' Winter Flooding Along #Mississippi River Could Be Historic https://t.co/3Byn97mp0a not just the #uk | Dec 31 04:00 | |
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| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: bluray is still alive? | Dec 31 04:00 |
| r_schestowitz | i hardly ever see any of it around anymore | Dec 31 04:00 |
| cubexyz | bluray-recordable? sure | Dec 31 04:00 |
| cubexyz | 25 gigs of storage | Dec 31 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | I also broke down and got a new player. My old Samsung BD-C5500 hadn't had a firmware upgrade since May 2013 and was getting unreliable. It took ten minutes to load Interstellar. It was crashing and freezing. Took a full minute just to start. | Dec 31 04:01 |
| r_schestowitz | streaming is a peril to them | Dec 31 04:01 |
| r_schestowitz | like netflix dRM | Dec 31 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced it with a BD-J5700. | Dec 31 04:01 |
| r_schestowitz | 25 gigs isn't much | Dec 31 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz: They're talking about doing 4K Ultra HD discs next year. | Dec 31 04:01 |
| r_schestowitz | you can buy a 3000gb hdd for less than $200 now, I think | Dec 31 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | You'll need a new player and it's a new physical format, and you need a new TV. | Dec 31 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't expect it to catch on. | Dec 31 04:01 |
| r_schestowitz | better read/write speed | Dec 31 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 4K TV, but it was just because they don't cost that much more than the 1080p models now. | Dec 31 04:02 |
| cubexyz | is anyone transmitting 4k tv signal? | Dec 31 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | DVDs are starting to look pretty dated. They have to be blown up like 24 times to fill my screen. Looks terrible. | Dec 31 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz: Just Netflix and Ultraflix right now I think. | Dec 31 04:02 |
| r_schestowitz | how far do you sit? | Dec 31 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | You can get some 4K movies on thumb drive and stick them into your USB port. | Dec 31 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz: 50" set and about 10 feet. | Dec 31 04:03 |
| r_schestowitz | you might not be able to take advantage of too many interpolated pixels anyway | Dec 31 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | I see a difference between 1080p and 2160p, but it's minimal. | Dec 31 04:03 |
| r_schestowitz | depends on your vision sharpness | Dec 31 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like going from VHS to DVD or from DVD to Blu Ray. | Dec 31 04:03 |
| r_schestowitz | mine is only perfect for short distances, like screens on a laptop | Dec 31 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz: Unless people plan to start buying 70+ inch TV sets or sitting 4 feet from their TV, it's mostly pointless. | Dec 31 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think 1080p is going to be the standard for another 10-15 years. | Dec 31 04:04 |
| cubexyz | doesn't even seem like HDTV has been around that long | Dec 31 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | Only about 6 years since they started broadcasting it here. | Dec 31 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | And the broadcast standard in the US won't be updated to UHD for 10 years or more. | Dec 31 04:05 |
| cubexyz | I got my first HDTV set in 2009 | Dec 31 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | DVD is still plugging along mostly because of combo packs. | Dec 31 04:06 |
| cubexyz | too soon to dump it :) | Dec 31 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | People don't use the DVD and so they sell it off and keep the Blu Ray. | Dec 31 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | People get DVDs because they're very cheap now. | Dec 31 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | The local used movie store has racks and racks of used DVDs for $1.50-$2. | Dec 31 04:06 |
| r_schestowitz | [04:04] <DaemonFC> I think 1080p is going to be the standard for another 10-15 years. | Dec 31 04:07 |
| r_schestowitz | Right.. | Dec 31 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | The more expensive sets are like The Lord of the Rings extended DVD trilogy, which can still fetch about $15 for the full set. | Dec 31 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | 1080p makes perfect sense because of how bad 480i (DVD) looks on screens larger than about 32". | Dec 31 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | When you stretch an image out like that, you'll start seeing every imperfection in it. The TVs are so good now that it's exposing a lot of that undesirable stuff that lesser TV sets covered up. | Dec 31 04:10 |
| cubexyz | how big would a 4k TV need to be? | Dec 31 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz: They only start to make sense at about 50" or bigger. | Dec 31 04:10 |
| cubexyz | seems a bit premature still | Dec 31 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but the sets now are good enough and cheap enough. | Dec 31 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | You can get a decent 50" 4K set for $400. | Dec 31 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix has a bunch of stuff in 4K now. | Dec 31 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | It's noticeable, but not that important over 1080p. | Dec 31 04:14 |
| cubexyz | so 4K movies on optical are called...? | Dec 31 04:14 |
| cubexyz | super bluray? | Dec 31 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure what the marketing name will be. | Dec 31 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | It is an evolution of the Blu Ray format, which allowed for 3 and 4 layer discs from the start. | Dec 31 04:15 |
| cubexyz | Ultra HD Bluray I think | Dec 31 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | But it also required HEVC codec support. | Dec 31 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Fedora Security Lab is probably one of the | Dec 31 04:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Dec 31 04:17 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Dec 31 04:18 | |
| DaemonFC | If it was just the new codec, existing players could get a firmware upgrade, but it's not. | Dec 31 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | You need new HDMI ports that are HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 compliant to get the full benefit. | Dec 31 04:19 |
| cubexyz | yeah looks like there will be 100GB discs | Dec 31 04:21 |
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| msb__ | Here's a sedative with a wide margin of safety. Ativan aka lorazepam. I was in a hospital some years ago after a mild stroke and got severe hiccups, that were interfering with my breathing. I made a pest of myself to the nurses, insisting that they have a crash-cart handy in case my larynx seized up permanently (it was happening for a second or two). A doctor gave me 1mg of lorazepam. I fell asleep and pissed all over myself | Dec 31 05:42 |
| msb__ | without waking up. But the hiccups were gone. OK, 1mg causes deep sleep. Here's the Pfizer MSDS. LD50 is 1850mg/kg in rats. For a 50Kg person that would be 9200mg, with 2mg being pretty certain to knock him out, since 1mg put me down and I'm about 200kg. So that's about a 4500:1 safety ratio. It will be less if the person is drunk, but it's still very high. | Dec 31 05:42 |
| msb__ | https://www.drugbank.ca/system/msds/DB00186.pdf?1373674180 | Dec 31 05:43 |
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| cubexyz | what's with the ?number | Dec 31 05:44 |
| msb__ | the url works for me | Dec 31 05:45 |
| msb__ | in firefox | Dec 31 05:45 |
| msb__ | I think I botched the calculation. 1850 * 50 = 92500mg LD50 for a 50kg person. With 2mg being plenty to sedate him. So that's a safety ration of 45,000:1, even better. | Dec 31 05:49 |
| cubexyz | trying to figure out what the site is running | Dec 31 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/bsDQ0osnuL | Dec 31 05:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Dec 31 05:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Ntilbhwike | Dec 31 05:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Dec 31 05:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/rMv5otzM6p | Dec 31 05:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 31 05:52 | |
| msb__ | ration -> ratio | Dec 31 05:54 |
| cubexyz | they are running a nginx server | Dec 31 05:54 |
| msb__ | Which browser are you using? | Dec 31 05:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm just poking around their site | Dec 31 05:55 |
| cubexyz | can't quite put my finger on it but it feels familiar | Dec 31 06:00 |
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| cubexyz | custom job I guess | Dec 31 06:03 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, I think a tranquilizer dart loaded with 2mg of lorazepam would be pretty good for controlling an unarmed but violent person. The cops could just shoot him in the leg with it, and then retreat to their cars til he lay down on the sidewalk. Even if he had a knife they'd be safe. | Dec 31 06:06 |
| cubexyz | how long until the drug takes effect? | Dec 31 06:07 |
| msb__ | Depends on the route of administration and the dose. If it just hit him in skin or muscle, it should come on gradually enough that he'd lay down and not hit his head. | Dec 31 06:10 |
| msb__ | Orally it probably took 15 minutes for me. | Dec 31 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: They like to prescribe Seroquel as a sleeping pill now. | Dec 31 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | The dose isn't very high for that. | Dec 31 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | They only prescribe 50-100 mg as a sleep aid. | Dec 31 06:16 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682480942242500608 | Dec 31 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: in fact, we handed them victory... https://t.co/0SBABfElxQ | Dec 31 09:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The terrorists have won because we let them win https://t.co/i09TAThEvO | Dec 31 09:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/682489291239485440 | Dec 31 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz @semmoneglynn @Snowden If My Followers don't know what you are talking about. My followers had best brush the F**K UP. | Dec 31 09:43 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Have-proprietary-Linux-games-failed | Dec 31 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | Have proprietary Linux games failed? » Linux Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/od9y6 ] | Dec 31 10:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > He fails to question the metrics. IIRC, dual booters and users with | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > multiple machines are counted as "Windows", if one of the OSes is | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > Windows, and if the account is used from a Windows machine even once | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > during the measurement period, it is counted as "Windows". | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I saw that... | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/682508792962117632 | Dec 31 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz I've viewed the bowels of some not-for-profit schools that just might raise your hackles. | Dec 31 10:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/70949-debian-founder-ian-murdock-dies-at-42 | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > I'll skip the other links on the same topic. There is no new info yet. | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > One or more US-based teams, preferably in CA, need to FOIA what the | Dec 31 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Debian founder Ian Murdock dies at 42 [ http://ur1.ca/od9yn ] | Dec 31 10:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | > government has. It looks like at least for now his family is not going | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > to help. | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Techrights is sending the faxes right now. Already got them on the phone a few times... | Dec 31 10:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: | Dec 31 10:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enlightenment https://t.co/ygep6vfgnr | Dec 31 10:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Enlightenment | Tux Machines | Dec 31 10:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/682515001748361216 | Dec 31 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #SiliconValley: 'noble practitioner of well-intentioned entrepreneurship/innovation'. Really about power & politics. https://t.co/6jDpAb6ZcR | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: This Was the Year Tech Became the Bad Guy https://t.co/y9b7ZSqlLN non-techie billionaires panic, use laws to keep power | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheRealKerryG/status/682515123324321792 | Dec 31 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealKerryG: Seriously @QPSmedia ? Arresting a desperate dad who wanted some quality of life after chemo failed on his 2 year old https://t.co/DeLCXf4Ooe | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dad Arrested, His 2-yo Daughter Taken, for Successfully Treating Her Cancer with Cannabis Oil https://t.co/rohfEBN9fH #police | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | Police aren't doctors.They just beat people up, shoot them, and arrest them. Looking after their own back. | Dec 31 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheRealKerryG/status/682516636813791232 | Dec 31 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealKerryG: @schestowitz They're pretty good at turning a blind eye too. This is when it's appropriate to do so. @QPSmedia | Dec 31 11:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | Just "doing their job". As #murdock said, we're the police, we do whatever the f* we want. No matter the consequences. | Dec 31 11:03 |
| r_schestowitz | Too insecure and uneducated, some people in #police would rather see a 2-year-old just die from cancer | Dec 31 11:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ConnorCarl/status/682521153928220672 | Dec 31 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ConnorCarl: @schestowitz He clarified he was talking about MINIMUM wage at 15 dollars is ridiculous and too high. | Dec 31 11:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | It's not | Dec 31 11:20 |
| msb__ | Many people are now reporting success using cannabidiol (a non-psychedelic substance in marijuana) against cancer. | Dec 31 11:21 |
| msb__ | In cases like this, the police attack whom they're told to attack by higher levels of the control hierarchy -- state and federal govt controlled by (e.g. pharmaceutical) corporations. | Dec 31 11:24 |
| msb__ | In California, where medical marijuana is legal, you can buy special high-cannabidiol/low-THC cannabis specifically bred for use against cancer. | Dec 31 11:30 |
| msb__ | Although it may be a crime to say so. | Dec 31 11:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: lol I like the marijuana myth. The high-cannabidial zero-THC is Genengically modified done in Australia by csiro it called industrial hemp. | Dec 31 11:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Myth? | Dec 31 11:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: yes to keep pests out of industrial hemp after THC is removed the cannabidiol level had to be increase. Just by pure chance its good for cancer. | Dec 31 11:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there is also a GM added defect in the leaf of industrial hemp compared to THC containing hemp. | Dec 31 11:37 |
| msb__ | what does that do? | Dec 31 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Hemp is another name of the marijuana plant. | Dec 31 11:38 |
| msb__ | what does the GM added defect do? | Dec 31 11:38 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to make zero THC is causing one GM mod so the plant does not know how to make it. Second GM mod is to bost cannabidials for pest protection. Final is the leaves are no longer submetrial at the bottom of each leaf is notch on one side that is not natural. | Dec 31 11:43 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so simply looking at the leaves you can tell Zero THC plants. | Dec 31 11:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: GM hemp came out of the same Csiro projects doing GM cotton. | Dec 31 11:48 |
| msb__ | THC is very beneficial, giving the psychedelic, social, psychological, euphoric effects. It helps people to resist and expunge lying propaganda, which is why it was made so severely illegal. | Dec 31 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no THC is not that beneficial at more than 0.1 percent. http://www.leafscience.com/2014/10/21/marijuana-memory/ | Dec 31 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.leafscience.com | Marijuana and Your Memory [ http://ur1.ca/oda4t ] | Dec 31 11:55 | |
| oiaohm | THC techically would be good to give to a person after rape or equal to nuke the memory being formed but that is about the only practical usage of it in large dosages. | Dec 31 11:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/682528417930149888 | Dec 31 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz they beat the shit out of me twice, then charged me $25,000 to get out of jail for battery against THEM https://t.co/y5yV1CitAr | Dec 31 12:00 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol Basically CBD Cannabidiol equals good improves nerve function helps ablity to learn... THC tetrahydrocannabinol equals bad in most cases as it jams up nerve functions and blocks ablity to learn. | Dec 31 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pastebin.com | Ian Murdock Tweets - Pastebin.com | Dec 31 12:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cannabidiol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/oda57 ] | Dec 31 12:00 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2015/06/how-to-use-cbd-oil/ Its very interesting chemistry. If you have something high CBD and low THC the CBD stops the THC from binding and causing trouble. | Dec 31 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bengreenfieldfitness.com | How To Use CBD Oil [ http://ur1.ca/oda5w ] | Dec 31 12:11 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: also high THC only comes about due to human interfence. It is another part of the myth basically the way to make low THC is simply have male to female plant ratio numbers right. | Dec 31 12:14 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.inquisitr.com/2668594/google-snubs-oracle-in-next-release-of-android-java-apis-dropped-in-favor-of-open-source-openjdk/ | Dec 31 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inquisitr.com | Google Snubs Oracle In Next Release Of Android - Java APIs Dropped In Favor Of OpenJDK [ http://ur1.ca/oda6a ] | Dec 31 12:15 | |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Have you ever used high-THC cannabis? If not, you don't know what you're talking about. THC was the main thing in the US in the 1960s that woke people up and led them to protest and stop the Vietnam War. | Dec 31 12:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to be correct if you can cannabis samples from the 1990 you they will at worst be 2 percent. Where modern cannabis samples can be 14 to 15 percent. | Dec 31 12:18 |
| msb__ | If you use it, you will find a wonderful integration between your sequential-deductive mind and your associative-lyrical mind (which is otherwise active mostly when you're dreaming). | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | 1960s not 1990s | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | So high-THC cannabis is a modern thing msb__ | Dec 31 12:19 |
| msb__ | Wrong. | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Its not wrong. | Dec 31 12:20 |
| msb__ | There were high-THC strains of cannabis in the 1960s. I lived during that time. | Dec 31 12:20 |
| msb__ | I was born in 1945/ | Dec 31 12:20 |
| oiaohm | high-THC strains from the 1960 were the 2 percent stuff. | Dec 31 12:20 |
| oiaohm | With modern growing methods inside houses an the like you get the 14 to 15 percent THC. | Dec 31 12:21 |
| msb__ | There were high and low THC strains in the 60s. | Dec 31 12:21 |
| oiaohm | msb__: low strains are less than 0.3 | Dec 31 12:21 |
| oiaohm | like 2 percent is double want is classed safe. | Dec 31 12:21 |
| oiaohm | 14 to 15 percent is right out the ball park. | Dec 31 12:22 |
| msb__ | Thai sticks, Maui Wowie, etc. | Dec 31 12:22 |
| msb__ | High THC is very safe. You just smoke less of it. | Dec 31 12:22 |
| msb__ | It's called "titrating to effect". | Dec 31 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Not really at 2 percent smoking less of it works. 14-15 percent is what causes some of the nasty mental effects of modern day users. | Dec 31 12:23 |
| msb__ | Have you ever smoked medium or high THC cannabis? | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PlayStation 4 hacked to run Linux, Pokémon | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5n1OPyGtSD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oda6y | Dec 31 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PlayStation 4 hacked to run Linux, Pokémon | Tux Machines | Dec 31 12:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Still North Korea in Headlines | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eYvvALoMto (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oda6z | Dec 31 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Still North Korea in Headlines | Tux Machines | Dec 31 12:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682537804778356736\ | Dec 31 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz well, there's an explicit carve-out in #TPP, although not clear how well it will work | Dec 31 12:26 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: I don't have the receptors for THC or morphine(and releations). So been in contact with high THC don't have a clue of it effects. Found out I did not have the receptors when the complete town where I was was high because of a fire going through an illegal crop. | Dec 31 12:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: CBD is a good pain killer for me. | Dec 31 12:29 |
| msb__ | That's strange because THC and opiate receptors are entirely different. | Dec 31 12:30 |
| msb__ | You should try high THC anyhow. | Dec 31 12:30 |
| msb__ | Maybe you would stop pushing systemd. | Dec 31 12:30 |
| msb__ | If high THC doesn't work, try to find some peyote cactus. | Dec 31 12:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: my body has a few screwed up proteins the result is lot of my nerve receptors don't match anyone else. | Dec 31 12:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I see why systemd had to happen. I like how people say that people could use cgroups without systemd. Lets cover a basic problem. 1 Linux kernel only wants 1 item in charge of cgroups. So making services as a third party using cgroups requires some unified interface. | Dec 31 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Even on BSD systems jails and other security options BSD offer are under used. | Dec 31 12:35 |
| msb__ | I am not going to discuss systemd with you. And THC, properly used, is very beneficial to most people. | Dec 31 12:35 |
| oiaohm | THC in under 1 percent dosages with CBD has in some cases show some beneficial but then you have to remember CBD protects from some of the worst effects of THC | Dec 31 12:37 |
| oiaohm | CBD alone in a lot of cases is just as effective as CBD with THC. | Dec 31 12:38 |
| msb__ | THC does not have bad effects unless you take too much. | Dec 31 12:41 |
| oiaohm | THC can have bad effects if you take it without CBD even in small dosages. | Dec 31 12:42 |
| msb__ | If you truly lack THC receptors, then your understanding of THC is as worthless as a stone-deaf person talking about music. | Dec 31 12:42 |
| oiaohm | The ratio of CBD to THC is what decides if it safe. | Dec 31 12:42 |
| msb__ | You are spouting lying propaganda of rulers who don't want people to be able to reject their lying propaganda. | Dec 31 12:43 |
| msb__ | THC helps people not be slaves. | Dec 31 12:44 |
| msb__ | That's why it's illegal. | Dec 31 12:44 |
| oiaohm | stone deaf talking about music that was Beethoven | Dec 31 12:44 |
| msb__ | he could hear by bone conduction | Dec 31 12:45 |
| msb__ | you are like a deaf person who lacks cochleas. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | I know that. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | I had glue ear when young that completely blocked cochleas to being 100 percent non effective. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say there are other ways to hear. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yuhgr/the_register_debian_linux_founder_ian_murdock/ | Dec 31 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | "Based on the article, he was drunk and it was late into the evening, so it might have been a case of him mistaking that house for his own. Not all of the streets in SF have excellent lighting." | Dec 31 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The Register: Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 [a few details about his police encounter] : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oda8q ] | Dec 31 12:47 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: not having the receptors made me ideal to be doing survey work on how badly people were effected by the drugs. | Dec 31 12:47 |
| oiaohm | msb__: since me coming into contact was not making me bias. | Dec 31 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | "Wonderful. Cue the next round of outrage about how the police are lying to cover up assault. I'm not sure I buy the narrative that the police were at fault. I suspect it is based far more on prejudice against the police than any hard facts of this case. We have very little to go on either way, but one would expect an outcry from the family if the police were at fault, instead of the muted comments we have about it being a "private matter" | Dec 31 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 12:48 |
| oiaohm | msb__: personally thinking 1960s stuff was under 2 percent from all samples tested. THC to make people not slaves could possilbe work at under 1 percent and avoid the medical risks. | Dec 31 12:49 |
| msb__ | bruises and needing stitches | Dec 31 12:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: over 1 percent you start blocking out the production of memories. | Dec 31 12:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: old saying too much of a good thing. I serousally think THC is in that camp if it is effective dosage levels have to remain low. | Dec 31 12:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: something to remember thuggees in india where the first to work out how to make high. But that tech was not in the USA in the 1960s. But that tech is close to modern production methods. Super strong stuff was used to make slaves. | Dec 31 12:55 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: This is why we need to see the full arrest report so we can find out whose door he was knocking on and what he wanted. | Dec 31 12:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: if you could not remember you worked yesterday would you miss your pay for that day. | Dec 31 12:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: THC memory blocking effect can have very nasty downsides. | Dec 31 12:57 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: yes, but even police reports may be biased | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | or edited after the act | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | to justify what happened, serve as coverup | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | you might need personal testimony from neighbours | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | without police involved | Dec 31 13:08 |
| msb__ | True, but learning the location of the neighbors would help. | Dec 31 13:09 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzrkDGxZexA | Dec 31 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaa5 ] | Dec 31 13:10 | |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T4pBysFk84 | Dec 31 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jefferson Airplane - Mexico - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaad ] | Dec 31 13:13 | |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejvcd-JeVCQ | Dec 31 13:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | BREWER AND SHIPLEY- " ONE TOKE OVER THE LINE " - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaat ] | Dec 31 13:17 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/simovalley/status/682557360070606848 | Dec 31 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@simovalley: I'd rather turn to a witch @schestowitz @openDemocracy | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682556346554777604 | Dec 31 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: still very few details about what happened to Ian Murdock... https://t.co/SKkWmqmSJU | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Murdock had still been celebrating the Christmas season when he resisted arrest" https://t.co/EPkvRQWVBa | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hanscees/status/682557619920367616 | Dec 31 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hanscees: Founder Debian #linux dead after police harresment in USA https://t.co/tixT4PaIhI | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Murdock had still been celebrating the Christmas season when he resisted arrest" https://t.co/EPkvRQWVBa | Dec 31 13:45 | |
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| r_schestowitz | >>> No details, yet, but he's dead already: | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 31 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog [ http://ur1.ca/odaeu ] | Dec 31 14:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> That is really bad news. And on top of that, the police basically | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> killed him. I hope the details get out if they help. | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > Based on one theory, may have been a blood clot after so many blows to | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > the head | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Like what might have happened with Gary Kildall, but with authentic | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > police instead? Maybe docker was getting that big. | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > There is now a backlog of unexplained deaths: Michael Hastings (2013), | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Shane Todd (2013), Aaron Swartz (2013), Junichiro "itojun" Hagino (2007) | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > and especially Gary Kildall (1994). Which others? | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | The founder of yum was run over in his bike by a runaway driver, but this one was no mystery. | Dec 31 14:07 |
| MinceR | 133500 < oiaohm> msb__: I see why systemd had to happen. I like how people say that people could use cgroups without systemd. Lets cover a basic problem. 1 | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | Linux kernel only wants 1 item in charge of cgroups. So making services as a third party using cgroups requires some unified interface. | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | where does it say that "1 item" must have pid1 and must include init, udev, [x]inetd, crond, atd, syslogd, firewall, bootloader, dns cache, webserver, container provisioner, ntpd and who knows what else? | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | yet another bad excuse | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | if only ratcrap people spent all the time they spent on coming up with excuses on coming up with a design first, they would have built something worth using | Dec 31 14:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroup mailing list in fact gives the 1 limit. | Dec 31 14:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also lot of the stuff you just listed is not in PID1 of systemd. | Dec 31 14:32 |
| MinceR | only carefully, irreversibly tied into pid1 so you can't get rid of them or replace them? | Dec 31 14:35 |
| MinceR | that makes things so much better | Dec 31 14:35 |
| MinceR | and again, all this time and effort spent on coming up with excuses could be better spent | Dec 31 14:35 |
| MinceR | why is it so hard to admit that lendows is not unix but a windows clone? | Dec 31 14:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really you are the one who doing the crap. | Dec 31 14:39 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 31 14:40 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem you have not fully read what issue systemd have suffered from either. | Dec 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Now you are asking for a citation on something you raised. | Dec 31 14:41 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one twisting reality to defend the indefensible | Dec 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Remember the example you brought up of systemd not being able to do cgroup tracking when it was loaded inside a cgroup. | Dec 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | This releates directly to the cgroup require a single management interface. | Dec 31 14:42 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one who claims that diversity is evil and yet for whom turning 8 GNU/Linux distros into systemd/Linux wasn't enough | Dec 31 14:42 |
| oiaohm | It also reletates to why dbus started being used in upstart and systemd. | Dec 31 14:42 |
| MinceR | where does cgroup require that single management interface to be tied with all the crap systemd includes? | Dec 31 14:43 |
| MinceR | where does cgroup require dbus? | Dec 31 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Note that systemd and upstart idea was to use dbus at first then move to some from of kernel IPC. | Dec 31 14:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, once dbus is forced into the kernel | Dec 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | A form of IPC that can safely cross container. | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | what's the problem with IPC that was designed to be restartable? | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | what's the problem with using kernel space for what kernel space is intended, and not to run everything? | Dec 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | None of the existing IPC in Linux is designed with the idea of safely crossing containers. | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | how does having to put dbus of all things into the kernel from that? | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | why do technical decisions have to be driven by political agenda? | Dec 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | kdbus in fact including extentions for crossing cgroups. | Dec 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | features dbus default did not contain. | Dec 31 14:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/cygtfxj | Dec 31 14:45 |
| r_schestowitz | SWJ mentioned | Dec 31 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | qoaa comments on Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! [ http://ur1.ca/odaho ] | Dec 31 14:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | SJW | Dec 31 14:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: irrelevant | Dec 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | in fact the bus1 now is fairly much stripping back to the cgroup crossing features. | Dec 31 14:45 |
| MinceR | good for them, i guess | Dec 31 14:46 |
| MinceR | why can't they start with that? | Dec 31 14:46 |
| MinceR | why does an attempt to force Linus' hand have to happen before they even consider stripping some of the bloat out of their shitty design? | Dec 31 14:46 |
| MinceR | why does Linus (not a developer of dbus, afaik) have to profile their userspace shit before they even think about changing the design? | Dec 31 14:47 |
| oiaohm | There are issues that trigger the systemd event. But that does not mean everything was implemented correctly. | Dec 31 14:48 |
| oiaohm | dbus to kdbus was lets look at existing IPC and attempt not to reinvent the wheel. | Dec 31 14:48 |
| MinceR | why not look at existing IPC that's not a shitty toy? | Dec 31 14:49 |
| MinceR | also, how does "look at" translate into "move into the kernel"? | Dec 31 14:49 |
| oiaohm | dbus was made because particular roles the existing in kernel posix, bsd ipc does not cut it. | Dec 31 14:50 |
| MinceR | m$ regularly uses overhead as an excuse for moving stuff from userspace to kernel space | Dec 31 14:50 |
| MinceR | "does not cut it", as in "is not bloated enough" | Dec 31 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Even so dbus in userspace in places is bloated but in other places dbus is lacking key features. | Dec 31 14:50 |
| oiaohm | To be correct its not the first time something like kdbus has happened. | Dec 31 14:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do you remember the tux webserver. | Dec 31 14:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you remember iis? | Dec 31 14:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUX_web_server | Dec 31 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TUX web server - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odai0 ] | Dec 31 14:52 | |
| MinceR | perhaps slowlaris or ultrix was also known to move stuff into the kernel for no reason? | Dec 31 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember TUX web server was also shot down by Linux. | Dec 31 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Opps Linus | Dec 31 14:52 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc731903%28v=ws.10%29.aspx | Dec 31 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Enable Kernel Caching (IIS 7) [ http://ur1.ca/odai2 ] | Dec 31 14:53 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: IIS7 comes after TUX Webserver. | Dec 31 14:53 |
| MinceR | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/david.wang/archive/2005/07/07/howto-use-kernel-response-cache-with-iis-6.aspx | Dec 31 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com | HOWTO: Use the HTTP.SYS Kernel Mode Response Cache with IIS 6 - David Wang - Site Home - MSDN Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/odai4 ] | Dec 31 14:53 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the first attempt at a webserver in Linux kernel is 1993 | Dec 31 14:54 |
| oiaohm | This is something that Microsoft was late to the party. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And has failed to leave the party. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| r_schestowitz | [14:52] <oiaohm> Remember TUX web server was also shot down by Linux. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| r_schestowitz | overcome? | Dec 31 14:55 |
| MinceR | remember the nt system diagram you posted a while ago? | Dec 31 14:55 |
| MinceR | looks like they've spent quite some time at that "party" | Dec 31 14:56 |
| MinceR | even if they're in denial about it | Dec 31 14:56 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: TUX web server was proven not to able to keep up with a userspace web server with a few extra syscalls added to Linux kernel to improve through put. | Dec 31 14:56 |
| MinceR | https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7277870/ | Dec 31 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.furaffinity.net | Posting art on the internet could soon become a crime -- Mircea's Journal -- Fur Affinity [dot] net [ http://ur1.ca/odaif ] | Dec 31 14:57 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the kdbus mess was predictable. TUX web server is normally the more known example but there are about 15 cases of stuff attempting to be shoved into the kernel. | Dec 31 14:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet some people never learn | Dec 31 14:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember redhat also attempted pushing tux web server out with there kernels as well. | Dec 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | well, duh | Dec 31 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes you are right some people never learn. | Dec 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | redhat is a staunch believer in m$ "design" principles | Dec 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | as systemd, kdbus, gnome and most wayland implementations show | Dec 31 15:00 |
| oiaohm | There are other examples of ubuntu, suse even slackware. | Dec 31 15:00 |
| oiaohm | I remember the 4 way fight that lead to cgroups. | Dec 31 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes 4 different implementations some shoving huge ammounts of stuff into kernel space todo exaclty what cgroups do today. | Dec 31 15:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder which year will KDE be redefined as the Kernel-mode Desktop Environment | Dec 31 15:01 |
| oiaohm | The answer is never. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Some things are not sane to have the possiblity of mulit implementations running at the same time. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| MinceR | like an entire operating system? | Dec 31 15:02 |
| oiaohm | UMS is a good example of not heathy. | Dec 31 15:03 |
| MinceR | is that why cancerd attempts to block every competitor? | Dec 31 15:03 |
| oiaohm | systemd never started with a plan. | Dec 31 15:04 |
| oiaohm | At least not a clean plan. | Dec 31 15:04 |
| MinceR | well, not a design | Dec 31 15:04 |
| MinceR | but it seems there was a sinister plan to take over all of GNU/Linux | Dec 31 15:04 |
| oiaohm | You can have a plan of what your objectives are but not have a design MinceR | Dec 31 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Something without a clear plan objectives and design is very had to have compadiblity with. | Dec 31 15:05 |
| oiaohm | had/hard. | Dec 31 15:05 |
| MinceR | in systemd's case, deliberately | Dec 31 15:06 |
| MinceR | compatible software means competition | Dec 31 15:06 |
| oiaohm | That is not a solid arguement. | Dec 31 15:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd really has not done anything that other init system replacements have not done before it. | Dec 31 15:07 |
| MinceR | it's apparently convincing enough for m$ and redcrap, though | Dec 31 15:07 |
| MinceR | oh, really | Dec 31 15:07 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a webserver built into it? | Dec 31 15:07 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit one version had a perl script webserver. | Dec 31 15:08 |
| oiaohm | for configuration. | Dec 31 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Removed because it was a huge security hole. | Dec 31 15:08 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a firewall configurator built into it? | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a bootloader built into it? | Dec 31 15:09 |
| oiaohm | SMF firewall. | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | did SMF come with a bootloader built into it? | Dec 31 15:09 |
| oiaohm | WIth zone management in solaris kind showed the need for firewall control. | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, and it's not like other processes could run on a unix-like kernel, right? | Dec 31 15:10 |
| MinceR | it's called unix because it's unitasking | Dec 31 15:10 |
| oiaohm | toybox fork to busybox does contain a bootloader as part of it init system. | Dec 31 15:11 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You say you have no THC or endorphin receptors in your body. Does that make you unable to feel pleasure? That would explain why you like to argue so much. | Dec 31 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically systemd managed just do what inividual init systems had done singley in all one project. | Dec 31 15:12 |
| MinceR | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html | Dec 31 15:12 |
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| MinceR | which init system replacement had a dns cache built into it? | Dec 31 15:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: busybox and toybox both have dns cache in them even worse broken than systemd default. Yes common question with busybox is what third party to use instead of the default provided. | Dec 31 15:14 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a container provisioner built into it? | Dec 31 15:15 |
| MinceR | busybox is hardly a good example as it's perfectly usable without its init | Dec 31 15:15 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not exactly. different proteins means my endorphin is different. | Dec 31 15:15 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure you can even build busybox with just about any subset of its applets, including without init | Dec 31 15:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SMF for one with zones has container provisioner and worse xml service configuration files. | Dec 31 15:16 |
| MinceR | msb__: arguing makes people feel pleasure | Dec 31 15:16 |
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| MinceR | which init system replacement had ntp built into it? | Dec 31 15:16 |
| MinceR | s/ntp/ntpd/ | Dec 31 15:16 |
| msb__ | Only sick fucks. | Dec 31 15:16 |
| MinceR | msb__: most humans are sick fucks, afaict | Dec 31 15:16 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: the timeserver feature in systemd is not ntpd. Instead its bare min without correction stuff. | Dec 31 15:17 |
| MinceR | ah, so it's a broken ntpd | Dec 31 15:18 |
| MinceR | that makes it fine, i guess | Dec 31 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Not broken ntpd. | Dec 31 15:18 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a broken ntpd built into it? | Dec 31 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Extreally lightweight ntpd | Dec 31 15:18 |
| MinceR | provided "extremely lightweight" means "devoid of functionality, but somehow still using resources" | Dec 31 15:19 |
| MinceR | seemed to me it means the opposite | Dec 31 15:19 |
| oiaohm | busybox-ntpd | Dec 31 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Also lacks a huge amount of ntpd features. | Dec 31 15:19 |
| MinceR | so basically your excuse for systemd is "busybox and SMF did it before" | Dec 31 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Its what has happened. | Dec 31 15:20 |
| oiaohm | systemd has basically collected up feature list of every init system and implemented it. | Dec 31 15:20 |
| MinceR | it's like fidesz's constitution, which is an atrocity that was allegedly cobbled together from the worst mistakes in constitutions of the world | Dec 31 15:21 |
| MinceR | it's not a problem if your design does stupid things as long as "others did it too" | Dec 31 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 31 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Even if you have a perfectly good feature list. | Dec 31 15:22 |
| oiaohm | If the people implmenting are not careful the item is a disaster. | Dec 31 15:22 |
| MinceR | very microsoftian thinking, believing that the "good feature list" makes the software good | Dec 31 15:22 |
| oiaohm | No before Microsoft. | Dec 31 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Commerical Unix use to have a who bigger competition over who had the best features before Microsoft joined the game. | Dec 31 15:23 |
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| MinceR | what did commercial unix stuff into the kernel that did not belong there? | Dec 31 15:23 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux kernel having text console processing running as ring 0 that comes straight from Unix. | Dec 31 15:24 |
| MinceR | at least there's a point to that | Dec 31 15:25 |
| MinceR | so naturally it has to go | Dec 31 15:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: UMS mode setting blocking kernel panic display comes from Unix. | Dec 31 15:25 |
| MinceR | what do minix and hurd do in that case? | Dec 31 15:26 |
| oiaohm | minix and hurd both can kernel panic safely by force setting the mode if required. | Dec 31 15:26 |
| oiaohm | So Minux and hurd you see kernel panic messages. | Dec 31 15:27 |
| MinceR | what sets the mode, the kernel? | Dec 31 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly minux allows usermode setting but also smartly puts own setting on kernel panic display. | Dec 31 15:28 |
| oiaohm | So minux case both do. | Dec 31 15:28 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 15:28 |
| MinceR | what does hurd do? | Dec 31 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Hurd is like KMS driver. | Dec 31 15:29 |
| oiaohm | so kernel. | Dec 31 15:29 |
| oiaohm | both solutions work. | Dec 31 15:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality there are a long long list of first attempts complete screw up. | Dec 31 15:30 |
| MinceR | yes, and redhat is trying to adopt all of the screwups | Dec 31 15:30 |
| MinceR | gotta catch 'em all | Dec 31 15:31 |
| oiaohm | You would call systemd redhat first really serous attempt to fix sysvinit limitations. | Dec 31 15:31 |
| MinceR | by adding much more severe limitations instead? | Dec 31 15:31 |
| MinceR | maybe they don't quite understand what "limitation" means | Dec 31 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Its not like ubuntu upstart did not cause some limitations either. | Dec 31 15:31 |
| oiaohm | seams to been sysvinit has been the elphant in the room as soon as someone attempts to fix it all hell breaks lose. | Dec 31 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Same has been true for when particular commerical unix attempted to switch away from sysvinit. | Dec 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | that would be because you're focusing on the dumb fucks trying to "fix" it with upstart and systemd | Dec 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | not on the dozens of better designed init/rc systems | Dec 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | A lot are not better. | Dec 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | yeah, that one particular commercial unix which is in your mind the One True Unix | Dec 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | the dozens just show how many times people have attempted. | Dec 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Unix init systems is a grave yard of failures. | Dec 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | "Solaris has always been an odd duckling among the *NIXen, which eschews many conventions that most others follow. | Dec 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | I for one find the hall-of-mirrors nature of the Solaris file system really fucking aggravating – last time I dealt with Solaris boxes, I was working on a system configured from a pile of directories and subdirectories haphazardly cross-linked between /etc/ and /usr/lib, which is absolutely fucking insane." | Dec 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | (source: http://pappp.net/?p=969 ) | Dec 31 15:34 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: now compare what you that decribed to how systemd lays out its unit files. | Dec 31 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Really systemd looks a hell of a lot like SMF | Dec 31 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Just done worse. | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | like the horrible parser bugs? | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | anyway, why do you systemd people pretend that unit files determine the behavior of services entirely? | Dec 31 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember SMF uses XML early version had a broken xml library great fun to boot with. | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | "pay no attention to what's in the binaries" | Dec 31 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Dec 31 15:37 |
| oiaohm | systemd does include watchdoging functionality. | Dec 31 15:37 |
| MinceR | it also includes the kitchen sink and flat tire | Dec 31 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Also what is better a unit file or having to define LSM settings like selinux,apparmor and so on to restrict application behavour to limit security risk. | Dec 31 15:38 |
| MinceR | you don't have to do either | Dec 31 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Please note unit files don't have to determine behaviour of services entirely. | Dec 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | They just include the option of doing that. | Dec 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Also sysvinit exactly how does bash script really depend on what is in the binary. | Dec 31 15:41 |
| MinceR | shell scripts are far more powerful than unit files | Dec 31 15:41 |
| MinceR | and before you bring up debian sysvinit rc scripts (yet another dead horse), look at bsd's rc scripts | Dec 31 15:41 |
| oiaohm | bsd rc scripts do become painful when having to use jails. | Dec 31 15:42 |
| MinceR | at least the parser that deals with them has documented, predictable behavior | Dec 31 15:42 |
| MinceR | unlike systemd which ignores lines it doesn't understand | Dec 31 15:43 |
| MinceR | silently | Dec 31 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Not silently. | Dec 31 15:43 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: For mysterious deaths, how about Jon Postel dying 9 months after he tried to decrease US control over the Net DNS root servers. | Dec 31 15:43 |
| MinceR | yes, silently | Dec 31 15:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd does in fact log lines it cannot process | Dec 31 15:43 |
| oiaohm | So not silently. | Dec 31 15:44 |
| MinceR | i still trust my source more than you | Dec 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | I have made broken unit files. | Dec 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Its like the claim that systemd does not report missing exec files. | Dec 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | from unit files when it does in the logs. | Dec 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | systemd does report those faults to the logs it could report it louder to the user. | Dec 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are a lot of things that systemd logs and keeps on booting where sysvinit and bsd solution could just die. | Dec 31 15:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, systemd just keeps on booting | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | while fsck is running | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | and sometimes it just fails to start services | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | and it SIGKILLs services without SIGTERM | Dec 31 15:48 |
| MinceR | but keep advertising it | Dec 31 15:48 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit has cases of failing to start services. | Dec 31 15:48 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 31 15:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have giving you debian bugs on that before. | Dec 31 15:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really I am getting sick of your borken record on some of this stuff. | Dec 31 15:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i got sick of your cancerd apologism long ago. | Dec 31 15:49 |
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| oiaohm | You called me apologism then ingnores where you have stuff wrong. | Dec 31 15:50 |
| oiaohm | The SIGKILL on services with SIGTERM that is classed as a bug in systemd if it happens. | Dec 31 15:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, whoever doesn't love cancerd has stuff wrong | Dec 31 15:51 |
| MinceR | what is "cgroup notification is unreliable" classed as in systemd? | Dec 31 15:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html | Dec 31 15:52 |
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| MinceR | as in, the thing you've built your entire cargo cult around doesn't work | Dec 31 15:52 |
| oiaohm | SIGTERM goes out before SIGKILL | Dec 31 15:52 |
| MinceR | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170765 | Dec 31 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Other than where someone coder errored. | Dec 31 15:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, it clearly does | Dec 31 15:52 |
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| MinceR | which is why the shell has no time to save its history | Dec 31 15:53 |
| MinceR | right? | Dec 31 15:53 |
| MinceR | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/317 | Dec 31 15:53 |
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| MinceR | notice that this is over 4 years after they started forcing systemd on users in fedora 15 | Dec 31 15:53 |
| MinceR | they've been considering this mess stable for 4 years and it still fails at its most basic functionality | Dec 31 15:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 317 and 1170765 are both closed bugs because they were in the end fixed. | Dec 31 15:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically examples of historic issues in systemd caused by poor quality coding. | Dec 31 15:55 |
| MinceR | so, have they removed this FIXME yet? https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/743970d2ea6d08aa7c7bff8220f6b7702f2b1db7 | Dec 31 15:56 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: that FIXME is still there for kinda straight forwards reasons. That is systemd running cgroup and being unable to reach to the outside for monitoring. Basically what bus1/kdbus is required to fix. | Dec 31 15:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have waited until such things are fixed before advertising systemd as stable | Dec 31 16:00 |
| MinceR | maybe then they wouldn't have a reason to force it on people | Dec 31 16:00 |
| MinceR | if systemd was as great as you people think, people would willingly adopt it on their own | Dec 31 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways they should have started with the dbus/kdbus/bus1 issue first. | Dec 31 16:01 |
| oiaohm | To allow clean comunication between containers. | Dec 31 16:01 |
| oiaohm | SMF started with a IPC to allow zones to talk to other zones. | Dec 31 16:02 |
| MinceR | and if systemd was good enough to adopt on its own, there would be no need to abuse secret APIs and gratuitous dependencies to force it on people | Dec 31 16:02 |
| MinceR | SMF also started outside pid1 | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | First attempts of SMF was as PID1 | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Then it was moved out of PID1. | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | But it took sun guys 4 months to work that out with SMF | Dec 31 16:03 |
| MinceR | for systemd, even 5 years weren't enough for that | Dec 31 16:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the big thing to remember with a cgroups or a Zones. Is the following memory, network , process id, userid, file system absoltely none of it may be shared. | Dec 31 16:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you want to complain about poor quality work on systemd I will not argue that is the fact. | Dec 31 16:06 |
| oiaohm | zones and cgroups do put need of a extra ipc for them. Also puts a need for the init system to be able to do extras. | Dec 31 16:07 |
| MinceR | they do not add the need for an entire dbus in the kernel, though | Dec 31 16:07 |
| MinceR | i wonder if not being allowed to share networking means the cgroups/zones are not allowed to talk to the host or anyone else | Dec 31 16:08 |
| oiaohm | I see the logic that trying to put dbus in kernel but with the historic example of tux webserver and others they should have known better. But people don't bother learning their history. | Dec 31 16:09 |
| MinceR | what's the point of networking if you're not allowed to talk to anyone? | Dec 31 16:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is the thing about zone and cgroups you could have something that only sees the interface of the vpn for example. So the fact that a local network address happens to match the vpn internal network map no flowl. | Dec 31 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you want to exactly control what stuff talked to. | Dec 31 16:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also I have a few games that want to connect to lobby server when only playing single player. | Dec 31 16:12 |
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| r_schestowitz | [15:43] <msb__> r_schestowitz: For mysterious deaths, how about Jon Postel dying 9 months after he tried to decrease US control over the Net DNS root servers. | Dec 31 17:09 |
| r_schestowitz | Never heard of it or him | Dec 31 17:09 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:16] <MinceR> which init system replacement had ntp built into it? | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | Wait, what? systemd has this too? | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | imagine security ramifications | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | NTP took a long time to mature | Dec 31 17:10 |
| MinceR | yup | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | still closing some vulns | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | well, bsd does | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | phk | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | I think with LF money | Dec 31 17:11 |
| MinceR | and they insisted on using google's servers which worked in a non-standard way (divided leap seconds into drifting for a full day or so) and google didn't want them to use it | Dec 31 17:11 |
| MinceR | lendows is a train wreck, but that doesn't stop people like oiaohm from pretending it's the second coming | Dec 31 17:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682605209110081536 | Dec 31 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: How many times did M$ mess this kind of thing up @schestowitz ? Microsoft will inform on state-sponsored hacks https://t.co/OFhZ8lUitW | Dec 31 17:16 | |
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| msb__ | r_schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Dec 31 17:56 |
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| msb__ | On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident. | Dec 31 17:56 |
| msb__ | Age 55 | Dec 31 17:58 |
| XFaCE | [12:16:04]<r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682605209110081536 | Dec 31 18:08 |
| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: the question is why there are sucessful state-sponsored attack in the first place | Dec 31 18:09 |
| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: don't worry, trust Microsoft | Dec 31 18:09 |
| XFaCE | we have proof to back up why you should trust us; it's unfortunately proprietary proof tho | Dec 31 18:10 |
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| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: I'm assuming you covered that ZDnet article about the microsoft "linux certification"? | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| cubexyz | any more news about Ian Murdock? | Dec 31 19:10 |
| cubexyz | no reply from medical examiner :-/ | Dec 31 19:11 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Which others? | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | > There was also Barnaby Jack (2013). Who else? | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Don't know that one either. | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | XFaCE: I didn't | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | XFaCE: I wanted to | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | but I was very busy with EPO at that time | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted some rants in Twitter, Diaspora, etc. maybe I managed it briefly in a post too, but nothing very detailed | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [18:09] <XFaCE> r_schestowitz: don't worry, trust Microsoft | Dec 31 19:24 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft helps russia spy on activists | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Russian spy worked for Microsoft | Technology | The Guardian | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/14/russian-spy-worked-for-microsoft | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Russian Spy Scandal Reaches Microsoft - Mashable | http://mashable.com/2010/07/14/russian-spy-microsoft/ | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Windows Flaw Let Russian Hackers Spy On NATO, Report ... | http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/14/356167086/microsoft-windows-flaw-let-russian-hackers-spy-on-nato-report-says | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Other Tech Giants Active ... | http://conspiracy-watch.org/tech-giants-participation-with-nsa-confirmed-while-activists-launch-anti-spying-initiative/ | Dec 31 19:24 |
| r_schestowitz | wait, that's not the story, they stuffed it with another | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | in short, MS helps state-sponsored attacks by Putin on Russians | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | NSA against US | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | and perhaps many others | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | Can't think of China example, but Yahoo! is known for one such famous example | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | will Microsoft tell people about state-sponsored attacks that Microsoft itself is aiding? :-) | Dec 31 19:26 |
| r_schestowitz | I thought about doing an article about it, maybe this weekend... | Dec 31 19:26 |
| XFaCE | [14:26:14]<r_schestowitz> will Microsoft tell people about state-sponsored attacks that Microsoft itself is aiding? :-) | Dec 31 19:28 |
| XFaCE | that's was my point exactly | Dec 31 19:28 |
| XFaCE | more marketing shams from Microsoft | Dec 31 19:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I put it in my drafts | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | I wasn't sure if there was much to add/say, but I think a short post might do | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | is this widespread in the news? | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | given that it's holiday? | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | if it becomes widespread, then responding becomes more important. I hardly follow MSFT news anymore. | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5270352/famous-hacker-barnaby-jacks-death-was-a-drug-overdose | Dec 31 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Famous hacker Barnaby Jack's death ruled a drug overdose | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/odbbi ] | Dec 31 19:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | The San Francisco medical examiner's office has ruled that the sudden death of the well-known hacker Barnaby Jack at the age of 36 was due to an accidental overdose from combining heroin, cocaine, Xanax, and Benadryl. | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Jack was an ingenious programmer from New Zealand best known for making an ATM spit out bills and figuring out how to wirelessly hack into medical devices, including a pacemaker and an insulin pump. He was scheduled to give a talk on the latter last year at the security conference Black Hat, where hackers present their exploits in order to make the public aware of cybersecurity vulnerabilities. His talk was one of the most anticipated at | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | the convention, but he died six days before he was supposed to give it, on July 25th of last year. | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Now I remember that case | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/682619068483039232 | Dec 31 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So? Blame lack of culture. When Shakespeare spoke of Westmoreland he referred to the duke. | Dec 31 19:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682638944111095809 | Dec 31 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Researcher criticises 'weak' crypto in Internet of Things alarm system @schestowitz https://t.co/1tE5ux0UWR | Dec 31 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Researcher criticises 'weak' crypto in Internet of Things alarm system • The Register | Dec 31 19:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @HRBAUK @tuxmachines thanks for sharing tuxmachines, | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have a great Thursday :) (insight by | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gUZpyK4MbW) (commun.it) | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odbct | Dec 31 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commun.it | Twitter Community Management Dashboard | Twitter Marketing Tool | Commun.it | Dec 31 19:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Week in Techrights https://t.co/ouelSx5FAl | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odbcu | Dec 31 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Dec 31 19:48 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you might find this interesting | Dec 31 20:06 |
| cubexyz | I have one Fedora 14 machine... I don't use it very much | Dec 31 20:06 |
| cubexyz | so recently I wanted to install ksensors and old KDE 3 program | Dec 31 20:07 |
| cubexyz | it turns out Fedora 14 actually has a package for ksensors | Dec 31 20:07 |
| cubexyz | it ended up pulling in a bunch of KDE 3.5 stuff | Dec 31 20:08 |
| cubexyz | anyways, the end result is I think I can run KDE 3.5.10 stuff on Fedora 14 now | Dec 31 20:08 |
| MinceR | interesting | Dec 31 20:09 |
| MinceR | then again, 14 was still gnu/linux | Dec 31 20:09 |
| cubexyz | the last one I think | Dec 31 20:09 |
| cubexyz | guess I'll keep it around :) | Dec 31 20:09 |
| cubexyz | although it does have upstart instead of init | Dec 31 20:11 |
| MinceR | systemd makes upstart look good | Dec 31 20:19 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately ksensors is a bit of a hash job | Dec 31 20:22 |
| cubexyz | I'm still reworking KDE 3.5.10 stuff a lot | Dec 31 20:23 |
| cubexyz | there was karbon, I don't even remember what it does now | Dec 31 20:28 |
| cubexyz | the main additions I can remember were: krubik, krename, kalgebra and krusader | Dec 31 20:29 |
| cubexyz | there were a few other ones... abakus | Dec 31 20:30 |
| MinceR | karbon14? wasn't that a vector graphics editor? | Dec 31 20:35 |
| cubexyz | all I remember is that it used to be part of koffice | Dec 31 20:36 |
| cubexyz | you're probably right | Dec 31 20:36 |
| cubexyz | and f14 even has a package for it | Dec 31 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I did some thinking and the Times Square sphere is really an octahedron but with several iterations of triangular tesslations: | Dec 31 21:11 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/sphere_files/csphere.png | Dec 31 21:11 |
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| cubexyz | the times square one actually has more triangles on it | Dec 31 21:11 |
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| cubexyz | here's a pic of the 2011 version: | Dec 31 21:17 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg | Dec 31 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://cubeman.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg ) | Dec 31 21:17 | |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: That second one really is 404. | Dec 31 21:20 |
| cubexyz | weird | Dec 31 21:21 |
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| msb__ | I can't look at the parent directory, but I'm sure you can. | Dec 31 21:26 |
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| cubexyz | ok ok ok | Dec 31 21:36 |
| cubexyz | wrong domain :) | Dec 31 21:36 |
| cubexyz | http://maxhost.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg | Dec 31 21:36 |
| msb__ | Nice! | Dec 31 21:37 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/spock-using-sliderule.jpg | Dec 31 21:43 |
| msb__ | What's the white thing? Instructions? | Dec 31 21:44 |
| cubexyz | I think it's an old flight computer | Dec 31 21:45 |
| cubexyz | E6-B | Dec 31 21:45 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E6B | Dec 31 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | E6B - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 31 21:46 | |
| cubexyz | spock uses it in 3 episodes :) | Dec 31 21:48 |
| msb__ | I don't remember that. Does it work for warp, too? | Dec 31 21:50 |
| cubexyz | the prop guy probably thought it looked futuristic enough for the show | Dec 31 21:51 |
| cubexyz | it can calculate fuel burn, but I doubt it calculates dithium crystal usage :) | Dec 31 21:52 |
| cubexyz | dilithium | Dec 31 21:53 |
| cubexyz | Matt Jefferies was a pilot, so was Roddenberry | Dec 31 21:54 |
| msb__ | what fuel did they use? | Dec 31 21:54 |
| msb__ | Did they keep the matter and antimatter in the two separate nacelles? | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | good question | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think they ever explained it | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | I think it would have been anti-hydrogen | Dec 31 21:56 |
| msb__ | The matter was just old orange peels and coffee grounds, but where did they get the antimatter? | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | and I seem to remember something about deuterium | Dec 31 21:57 |
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| cubexyz | all techno-babble of course | Dec 31 21:58 |
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| msb__ | The dilithium crystals seemed to be a catalyst. | Dec 31 21:58 |
| cubexyz | within the context of the show the dilithium crystals regulated the matter/anti-matter reaction | Dec 31 22:00 |
| msb__ | I love the movie where the Borg chase them through a wormhole and they help the inventor of warp drive to launch the first one. | Dec 31 22:00 |
| msb__ | In Bozeman, Montana | Dec 31 22:01 |
| msb__ | And it's made out of an old ICBM | Dec 31 22:02 |
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| msb__ | First Contact | Dec 31 22:07 |
| schestowitz | whatapp is down | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | good time to convince people to dump this facebook-owned crap | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and maybe adopt some FOSS messengers | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | preferably with crypto, end to end | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/682589113556582401 | Dec 31 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Keep up the great work on EPO oissues in 2016! I'll still be blogging about a few select topics, sporadically including EPO | Dec 31 22:19 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Dec 31 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odb08 ] | Dec 31 22:35 | |
| msb__ | On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident. Age 55. | Dec 31 22:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't believe the hype: That GRUB backspace bug | Dec 31 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | wasn't a big deal https://t.co/I7cCsGhXo9 | Dec 31 23:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc0t | Dec 31 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Don't believe the hype: That GRUB backspace bug wasn't a big deal | Tux Machines | Dec 31 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15.12 released | Dec 31 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/W9qrAtbS0b (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc0u | Dec 31 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Calculate Linux 15.12 released | Tux Machines | Dec 31 23:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | happy new year all (GMT) | Jan 01 00:22 |
| MinceR | hny | Jan 01 00:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ekVScwF.png | Jan 01 00:25 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXl8J_iWYAABxii.jpg | Jan 01 00:29 |
| cubexyz | ha | Jan 01 00:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/too-much-to-think.jpg | Jan 01 00:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 01 00:37 |
| MinceR | "Thought begets Heresy; Heresy begets Retribution." | Jan 01 00:39 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/thankfully-1984-did-not-happen-oh-no-windows-10.jpg | Jan 01 00:41 |
| MinceR | "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." | Jan 01 00:42 |
| MinceR | "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt" | Jan 01 00:42 |
| cubexyz | https://www.transcend.org/tms/2015/08/when-surveillance-is-a-feature-not-a-bug/ | Jan 01 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.transcend.org | TRANSCEND MEDIA SERVICE » When Surveillance Is a Feature, Not a Bug [ http://ur1.ca/odc7j ] | Jan 01 00:43 | |
| cubexyz | thankfully I'm safe from windows 10 | Jan 01 00:44 |
| cubexyz | my computers are too old to run it :) | Jan 01 00:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 01 00:44 |
| cubexyz | I actually don't feel forced to use any of the windows operating systems | Jan 01 00:47 |
| cubexyz | if I had more time I might poke through the NT 4.0 or win2k source | Jan 01 00:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ringing in 2016 with 64 open-spec, hacker | Jan 01 00:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | friendly SBCs https://t.co/sHlA04ULXh | Jan 01 00:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc9b | Jan 01 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ringing in 2016 with 64 open-spec, hacker friendly SBCs | Tux Machines | Jan 01 00:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Jan 01 00:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc9c | Jan 01 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Tux Machines | Jan 01 00:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being | Jan 01 00:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally | Jan 01 00:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Activates The Speaker https://t.co/zYUFJx1QLC | Jan 01 00:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odc9d | Jan 01 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally Activates The Speaker | Tux Machines | Jan 01 00:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Jan 01 01:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Tux Machines | Jan 01 01:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Ends The Year At 20.8 Million | Jan 01 01:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lines https://t.co/wTWxJPFSUH | Jan 01 01:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odcck | Jan 01 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux Kernel Ends The Year At 20.8 Million Lines - Phoronix | Jan 01 01:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Week in Techrights https://t.co/ouelSx5FAl | Jan 01 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 01 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jan 01 01:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 01 01:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Jan 01 01:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Jan 01 01:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being | Jan 01 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally | Jan 01 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Activates The Speaker https://t.co/T3d1hwXXs1 | Jan 01 01:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Jan 01 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2NRLVZzX8M (www.linuxplanet.com) | Jan 01 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplanet.com | 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Jan 01 08:52 | |
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| EPO | A happy 2016 to you and your editorial team! Thanks for publishing our thoughts about the EPO. | Jan 01 09:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MARS Replication System Still Worked On For | Jan 01 10:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Upstream Linux Kernel https://t.co/oLclAG6HI8 | Jan 01 10:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | MARS Replication System Still Being Worked On For Upstream Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jan 01 10:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CalculateLinux 15.12 released | Jan 01 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KtwAdggupW | Jan 01 10:19 |
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| oiaohm | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39339.html Hmmm | Jan 01 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The current state of boot security | Jan 01 13:46 | |
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| MinceR | security theater | Jan 01 15:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if it was just theater it would be one thing. | Jan 01 16:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's also a war on the general purpose computer | Jan 01 16:04 |
| MinceR | "let microsoft decide what code gets to run on 'your' 'computer' so you'll be secure!" | Jan 01 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Sorry you have not watched the videos. | Jan 01 16:06 |
| oiaohm | One of the reasons why Microsoft Windows is lower rated is the fact it signing keys are so univeral. | Jan 01 16:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm not going to waste all my life on watching propaganda | Jan 01 16:07 |
| MinceR | this does make crApple's crap quality no warranty hardware seem more inviting, though | Jan 01 16:09 |
| MinceR | and just like you, Garrett can't see the elephant in the room either | Jan 01 16:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct you are missing the elephant as well. | Jan 01 16:16 |
| oiaohm | The issue is not Microsoft. | Jan 01 16:17 |
| MinceR | the issue i'm referring to is that despite all this wanking with uefi, restricted boot and treacherous computing, physical access still lets an attacker own your computer | Jan 01 16:19 |
| MinceR | just like DRM, it only punishes competitors in the IT industry and typical users | Jan 01 16:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: "Now, to be fair, there's attacks that even Windows and properly configured Linux will still be vulnerable to. Firmware defects that permit modification of System Management Mode code can still be used to circumvent these protections, and the Management Engine is in a position to just do whatever it wants and fuck all of you. " | Jan 01 16:21 |
| oiaohm | did you miss that in the link I gave. | Jan 01 16:21 |
| MinceR | did you miss all the propaganda in favor of uefi and treacherous computing in the link you have? | Jan 01 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft does not set what runs in the management engine. | Jan 01 16:22 |
| MinceR | s/hav/gav/ | Jan 01 16:22 |
| oiaohm | UEFI and TPM stuff does not start at Microsoft. | Jan 01 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Intel made the black box of Management Engine mode. | Jan 01 16:25 |
| MinceR | yet redhat and canonical went to m$ for permission to run their systems on uefi | Jan 01 16:26 |
| MinceR | somehow | Jan 01 16:26 |
| oiaohm | That was not in fact caused by Microsoft. | Jan 01 16:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you are completely missing the trouble. | Jan 01 16:27 |
| oiaohm | ODMs decided to implment limited PK settings and KEK settings. Not at Microsoft request. | Jan 01 16:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if was the ODMs that went to Microsoft and asked Microsoft to be the master signer. | Jan 01 16:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in fact it was the ODMs that choose todo that. | Jan 01 16:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the fact that m$ controls the ODMs by setting the price at which they sell winblows licenses to the ODMs | Jan 01 16:30 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't want you to care about that | Jan 01 16:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in fact ODM's wanted worse and Microsoft did not go along. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Like systems that only accept OS disks made by the ODM. | Jan 01 16:31 |
| MinceR | by the way, how much arguing do you expect to make a "computer" you're locked out of to change its mind and let you run code you want to? | Jan 01 16:31 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: to correct the level of lock has reduced. | Jan 01 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember early UEFI motherboards you cannot change the PK or the KEK set in it. | Jan 01 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so since the only KEK set is Microsoft you are kinda required to deal with Microsoft to support those boards. | Jan 01 16:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: worse is Microsoft cannot update there KEK if it gets comprosied either. | Jan 01 16:35 |
| MinceR | and with every winblows version they pull the lock tighter | Jan 01 16:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is not the direction it going. | Jan 01 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Because if it was tighter why can we change the PK and KEK now on newer boards when we could not do that on older boards. | Jan 01 16:36 |
| MinceR | they could get away with it on ARM so they already locked ARM winblows devices down | Jan 01 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Newer arm in fact not the case. | Jan 01 16:36 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem nothing you are saying is lining up to the facts MinceR | Jan 01 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Of course I am not saying that we should back off presure to get more rights. | Jan 01 16:37 |
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| MinceR | remember the amount of pressure that was necessary to temporarily keep them from making restricted boot mandatory on x86 | Jan 01 16:38 |
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| oiaohm | Yet ODMs and Intel has still managed to get mandorary firmware signing in hardware embedded. | Jan 01 16:41 |
| MinceR | is that why the requirement to do so was in m$'s winblows logo requirements? | Jan 01 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jan 01 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft logo requirement does not mandate writing the signing keys into fuses. | Jan 01 16:42 |
| oiaohm | ODM's like the idea of having absolute control of the firmware. | Jan 01 16:42 |
| MinceR | tell me more about how m$ doesn't like having absolute control | Jan 01 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember ODM's are the ones who have come up with that if you change OS version that warnaty is void. | Jan 01 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Heck even install Windows updates result is voided. | Jan 01 16:44 |
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| MinceR | remember m$ was the main promoter of uefi and tc | Jan 01 16:45 |
| MinceR | still is | Jan 01 16:45 |
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| oiaohm | Not exactly so. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| MinceR | they're advertising those as if they, together with winblows, could guarantee your security | Jan 01 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Most of the advertising that has Microsoft branding on was in fact paid for by the ODMs. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Nice bit of false flag. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6939168 | Jan 01 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #murdock kept complaining SF #police exceptionally "uneducated". Surely they didn't know #debian - probably use MS Word for SHOPPING LIST! | Jan 01 16:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "If you could gather all sources and write a full fledged article it would be great. We are all hearing bits and pieces while nothing concrete is reported. Somehow everytime I see another post about him I want to get to the bottom of this story. :(" | Jan 01 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I'm planning to write about this when I get some missing bits. I know how to respond to the police report, but cause of death still an unknown. | Jan 01 16:49 |
| oiaohm | Really MinceR the amount of advertising Microsoft has done over UEFI and TC is quite min. ODM's really want to keep attention away from the fact that for as long as x86 has existed they have not be fixing security faults in firmware in a timely manager. | Jan 01 16:50 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrrzHjPC9p8 | Jan 01 16:50 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: is that why m$ requires uefi? | Jan 01 16:50 |
| MinceR | for winblows | Jan 01 16:51 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6939079 | Jan 01 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So far, based on reports, #sony has not been dumb enough (unlike before) to threaten lawsuits over #gnu #linux on PS http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2497306,00.asp | Jan 01 16:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | "When Sony finds out that this allows you to break the DRM and play copied games it will start to sue." | Jan 01 16:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | "How would they have grounds to sue? Surely it’s in everyone’s right to install a different OS." | Jan 01 16:51 |
| MinceR | looks like that right is being revoked | Jan 01 16:51 |
| r_schestowitz | a long time ago | Jan 01 16:52 |
| r_schestowitz | though it can help Sony claim more "sales" | Jan 01 16:52 |
| r_schestowitz | and market that to game devs | Jan 01 16:53 |
| r_schestowitz | as they did in the early days of PS3, 2007 IIRC, maybe 2006 | Jan 01 16:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Interesting enough secure boot in uefi starts by intel and ODM before Microsoft even gets the idea of adding it to their requirements list. | Jan 01 16:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember what I said if ODM had their way you would have to use like Dell/hp copy of Windows or it would not boot on Dell/Hp hardware. | Jan 01 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Same with any other OS you wanted to run. | Jan 01 16:56 |
| MinceR | and if m$ had their way you would have to use windows or your "computer" would not boot | Jan 01 16:56 |
| oiaohm | In fact no when Microsoft rejected that idea that allowed other parties to sign bootloaders using their keys. | Jan 01 16:56 |
| oiaohm | On the idea that systems could boot then change keys to the keys user wanted. | Jan 01 16:57 |
| MinceR | for a while | Jan 01 16:57 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682968663956258817 | Jan 01 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Women are usually easier to scare | Jan 01 16:57 | |
| MinceR | just until people accept restricted boot | Jan 01 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft wants to sell as much volume of software as possible. | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | they might even stage a false flag malware attack for your entertainment and as the excuse to close the final lock | Jan 01 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Not being able to update firmware keys could equal not being able to sell upgrades. | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, and apparently forcing computer users to buy their crap is the way | Jan 01 16:58 |
| oiaohm | So cut into Microsoft bottom line. | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | they can't make software good enough to buy | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | and neither can red hat | Jan 01 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have 1 motivation hardware companies have another. | Jan 01 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Of course software companies want to sell upgrades of software. Hardware companies want to sell upgrades of hardware. | Jan 01 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Guess what one will want to lock the firmware down the worse. | Jan 01 16:59 |
| MinceR | either way, the users lose | Jan 01 17:00 |
| MinceR | and the citizens lose | Jan 01 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Hardware companies blocking software updating allows forcing users to buy new motherboards and so on. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | So the worst for citizens is the hardware companies. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| msb__ | FOSS companies are motivated by public service (unless they're corrupted by systemd). | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have a reason to allow items like signing key changing. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure for-profit companies are motivated by profit | Jan 01 17:01 |
| MinceR | but making good products is a way to achieve that | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correct motivation by profit. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| MinceR | it's just not something m$, crApple and redcrap are capable of | Jan 01 17:02 |
| oiaohm | But software and hardware companies have different motivations to make the most profit. | Jan 01 17:02 |
| MinceR | also, taking over the government is a more certain position to get all the profit you want | Jan 01 17:02 |
| oiaohm | The worse for consumer is hardware companies having 100 percent their ways. | Jan 01 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember Microsoft and Redhat make very little hardware over all. | Jan 01 17:03 |
| MinceR | m$ is content to force their software on every bit of hardware out there | Jan 01 17:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also remember a software company cannot exist without hardware. | Jan 01 17:04 |
| MinceR | and redhat is content to be m$'s patsy | Jan 01 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Again you keep on thinking the problem is Microsoft. | Jan 01 17:04 |
| MinceR | that would probably because the problem is microsoft | Jan 01 17:05 |
| MinceR | s/ly/& be/ | Jan 01 17:05 |
| oiaohm | is not ODM with WIndows 7 refusing to support Windows 7 computers after the first application installed or update did not tell you something. | Jan 01 17:05 |
| MinceR | apparently you haven't read the m$ internal email about punishing dHell and other ODMs for offering GNU/Linux to customers | Jan 01 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Remember before Windows 7 microsoft was able to mandate in system builder contracts that ODM's did provide support. | Jan 01 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes I remember about that email MinceR but that is history. | Jan 01 17:06 |
| oiaohm | As soon as ODM managed to get Microsoft in court over those charging setups and win they have started pushing their own objectives. | Jan 01 17:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes they won just before the Windows 7 system builder contract from Microsoft had to be agreed to. | Jan 01 17:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the playing field has shifted in a big way. | Jan 01 17:08 |
| MinceR | tell us more about how m$ totally changed | Jan 01 17:09 |
| MinceR | they "love linux" now, don't they? | Jan 01 17:09 |
| oiaohm | I have not said that Microsoft has totally changed. | Jan 01 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft saying they love linux think when that happened. MinceR | Jan 01 17:09 |
| MinceR | and yes, court decisions had so much effect on m$ | Jan 01 17:09 |
| MinceR | that's why vista10 sets your default browser to ie and hides the UI for changing it back, right? | Jan 01 17:10 |
| MinceR | that's why all versions of winblows still come bundled with ie and wmp, right? | Jan 01 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Not all versions. | Jan 01 17:10 |
| MinceR | yeah, they had 2 boxed versions at the same price _once_ | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | of xp | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | none of the vista releases | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | nothing preloaded, ever | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | (also known as what actually gets sold) | Jan 01 17:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/media-player-is-missing-in-windows-10/5a66f236-0a86-4cb1-be83-dda144ea969b?auth=1 | Jan 01 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Media Player is missing in Windows 10. - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/odedc ] | Jan 01 17:12 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: out the box Windows 10 has no wmp. | Jan 01 17:12 |
| MinceR | i'm sure this is because of the EU decision that bans tying it to ie | Jan 01 17:12 |
| oiaohm | No | Jan 01 17:12 |
| MinceR | which is why it also has no ie, right? | Jan 01 17:12 |
| oiaohm | wrong | Jan 01 17:12 |
| MinceR | so much for the amusing idea of m$ having changed | Jan 01 17:13 |
| oiaohm | WMP is missing because ODM have stopped paying patent pools for codecs for Microsoft. | Jan 01 17:13 |
| oiaohm | So now Microsoft has to pay that. | Jan 01 17:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: things are not changing in Microsoft favour at all. | Jan 01 17:14 |
| MinceR | is that why non-m$ OS-es are more difficult to install on the latest "pc"-s than ever? | Jan 01 17:15 |
| MinceR | is that why redhat and canonical paid m$ for the privilege of letting users run their OS-es, for a while? | Jan 01 17:16 |
| MinceR | the actual change that's not in m$'s favor is that locked-down mobile devices that don't run winblows outsell anything that runs winblows | Jan 01 17:16 |
| MinceR | that's not much of an improvement in terms of letting the users choose what OS to install on their devices | Jan 01 17:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: You do strike server boards with only SUSE signing keys and no Microsoft keys. | Jan 01 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Why the ODM sold it as a SUSE Linux server board. | Jan 01 17:18 |
| MinceR | do you remember why suse failed and had to be bought by attackmate? | Jan 01 17:19 |
| oiaohm | And will not provide any support if you put any thing else include Windows/non suse Linux/BSD on it. | Jan 01 17:19 |
| MinceR | being on this channel, you should be aware who suse were | Jan 01 17:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/16/attachmate_micro_focus_merger/ | Jan 01 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/odeea ] | Jan 01 17:20 | |
| MinceR | suse was trying to destroy gnu/linux before redhat tried | Jan 01 17:20 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't be surprised if Roy found a link between this micro focus and m$ | Jan 01 17:22 |
| MinceR | just as there was one between attackmate and m$ | Jan 01 17:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www-304.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/solutiondetails.do?&solution=48035&lc=en | Jan 01 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-304.ibm.com | IBM - Micro Focus Enterprise Developer [ http://ur1.ca/odeek ] | Jan 01 17:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong direction completely. | Jan 01 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Micro Focus makes visual cobol for old school mainframe applications. | Jan 01 17:25 |
| MinceR | attachmate also targeted mainframes, afaict | Jan 01 17:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.attachmate.com/products/ really????? | Jan 01 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.attachmate.com | Products A-Z | Micro Focus | Jan 01 17:29 | |
| oiaohm | attachmate made software mostly to allow Windows to connect to Mainframes. | Jan 01 17:30 |
| oiaohm | Where Micro Focus has mostly made software to write and run applications on Mainframes. | Jan 01 17:30 |
| MinceR | can you see a connection there? | Jan 01 17:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: android and ipad software in the attachmate line appears after Micro Focus takes over. | Jan 01 17:34 |
| MinceR | and m$ already targeted those platforms too | Jan 01 17:35 |
| MinceR | they practically have their own android fork, cyanogen | Jan 01 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Attachment objective was to make Migration to Windows servers simpler by the products they made. | Jan 01 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Micro Focus make migration the other way to Linux and Unix simpler. | Jan 01 17:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the ground always changing. | Jan 01 17:37 |
| oiaohm | Attachment was setup and started by Microsoft people. Micro Focus comes out of Unix Borland... fairly much everyone who has decided to fight with Microsoft and lost that Microsoft has not managed to aquire. | Jan 01 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically a lot of things not going in Microsoft favor | Jan 01 17:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://copperhead.co/android/ Also this appeared very quickly after the cyanogen Microsoft deal. | Jan 01 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://copperhead.co/android/ ) | Jan 01 17:45 | |
| MinceR | so? | Jan 01 17:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also cyanogen lost a lot of ODM deals as well. | Jan 01 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Dealing with Microsoft ODMs hate in the first place. | Jan 01 17:49 |
| MinceR | shouldn't be surprising after what they did to OnePlus | Jan 01 17:49 |
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| r_schestowitz | [17:22] <MinceR> i wouldn't be surprised if Roy found a link between this micro focus and m$ | Jan 01 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | No strong link | Jan 01 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | [17:20] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/odeea ] | Jan 01 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register | Jan 01 18:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | Novell alone used to be worth more than this | Jan 01 18:19 |
| r_schestowitz | What happens to SUSE today?\ | Jan 01 18:20 |
| r_schestowitz | The MS deal expired today | Jan 01 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: New snapshot came to Tumbleweed. | Jan 01 18:20 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | but it's not related to the MS deal | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | !google suse microsoft deal 2016 | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement ... | https://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft kicks SUSE another $100m • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/25/microsoft_suse_deal_renewed/ | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Ubuntu, Microsoft & SUSE (Bermuda) Triangle | FOSS Force | http://fossforce.com/2015/03/the-ubuntu-microsoft-suse-bermuda-triangle/ | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/ | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | see [1] | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | and [2] | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | "The new $100m deal runs through January 2016." | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | doesn't seem to have much to do with patents anymore | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | more like 'marketing help' | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | helping to push SUSE | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "(The net cost to Attachmate was less than half of that, however, thanks to the cash Novell had on hand and another $450m that a consortium led by Microsoft paid for 880 of Novell's patents.)" | Jan 01 18:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Didn't know it was LED by MSFT | Jan 01 18:23 |
| r_schestowitz | That's new to me | Jan 01 18:23 |
| r_schestowitz | the press release does not mention patents | Jan 01 18:24 |
| r_schestowitz | so there might not be any serious impact to the expiration | Jan 01 18:24 |
| r_schestowitz | other than SUSE losing the preferential treatment from MSFT | Jan 01 18:24 |
| r_schestowitz | "Although it was not obvious at the time, Microsoft didn't just give away SUSE Linux licenses for free, but rather charged customers for the SLES support licenses. "They're competitively priced, they are not just handed out to the customer for free," explains Frank Rego, senior product manager at SUSE, the Linux division that was carved out separately from the rest of Novell after Attachmate took control of it back in April." | Jan 01 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | I think I'll just leave that for now | Jan 01 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | the only angle worth exploring it was already explored by Sam varghese | Jan 01 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | !google Sam varghese suse 2016 novell | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - iTWire - With Microsoft and Red Hat in bed, what happens to SUSE? | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/70213-with-microsoft-and-red-hat-in-bed-what-happens-to-suse | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - iTWire - Microsoft unwilling to comment on extension of SUSE deal | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/70279-microsoft-unwilling-to-comment-on-extension-of-suse-deal | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - iTWire - SUSE has plans to increase staffing | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/67082-suse-has-plans-to-increase-staffing | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Boycotting Micro Focus International | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2014/11/23/boycott-micro-focus/ | Jan 01 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/682990454720221184 | Jan 01 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mmasnick: @schestowitz @wendycockcroft @TimCushing @techdirt not nearly enough is known to write anything | Jan 01 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | Exactly what I said... | Jan 01 18:32 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/682992842759888897 | Jan 01 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @byoblu @reportrai3 @Serv_Pubblico @LaGabbiaTw @wallstreetita @fattoquotidiano @ilgiornale @POLITICOEurope https://t.co/Gqtw9d8VGN | Jan 01 18:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Meeting the EPO's PR Team and Learning Its Dirty Tricks https://t.co/skAL6kkpqg #epo #patents | Jan 01 18:33 | |
| msb__ | Since Suse has adopted systemd it's useless garbage anyhow. | Jan 01 18:37 |
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| r_schestowitz | not just suse | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | same with *buntus and I assume debian | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | because I dumped kde | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | and still see the same symptoms | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | just less weight induced by KDE, but still laggy, weird | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | so it must be something new, added after 2013 | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | the 2013 releases still worked well | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | now it's worse than ever, even on this decent hardware | Jan 01 18:41 |
| r_schestowitz | but not sure how to prove it systemd's fault (IF it is) | Jan 01 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: Tell what's wrong exactly. | Jan 01 18:41 |
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| XRevan86 | pff | Jan 01 18:41 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What is wrong exactly? | Jan 01 18:42 |
| schestowitz | with novell? | Jan 01 18:46 |
| schestowitz | suse? | Jan 01 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: With Ubuntu + GNOME. | Jan 01 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You were saying about symptoms. | Jan 01 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | some symptoms I noticed: | Jan 01 19:00 |
| schestowitz | kdm or other [X]dm a bit unreliable | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | desktop shows up after applications show up | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | startup slower | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | (overall) | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | sometimes applications take a long time to show up | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | even small applications | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | very long lag | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | moving windows around, esp. in kwin was poor non-performant | Jan 01 19:02 |
| schestowitz | but might be a KDE issue | Jan 01 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What GPU do you have? | Jan 01 19:02 |
| schestowitz | ARI Radeon | Jan 01 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | AMD* | Jan 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | ATI | Jan 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | owned by AMD, yes, but they still used the ATI brand at the time, as they had promised | Jan 01 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: With fglrx? | Jan 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | not sure | Jan 01 19:03 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There are three drivers out there: radeon, amdgpu and fglrx (catalyst) | Jan 01 19:04 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: radeon is the Mesa's driver that is there for a while, fglrx is the "blob" from AMD, and amdgpu is a FOSS development from AMD. | Jan 01 19:05 |
| MinceR | suse was useless garbage even before it adopted systemd | Jan 01 19:05 |
| MinceR | it was the worst distro before fedora 15 came out | Jan 01 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't really know the drill about all that though. | Jan 01 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | Still, if your videoadapter is new, xf86-video-radeon might not support 3D for it. | Jan 01 19:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: suse was great before it adopted systemd. What are you talking about? | Jan 01 19:07 |
| MinceR | for example, opensuse's netinstall attempt | Jan 01 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: … works | Jan 01 19:07 |
| MinceR | which had the user type in the ip address of their ftp server and the path on it | Jan 01 19:07 |
| MinceR | it makes it pretty obvious that they didn't care even back then | Jan 01 19:08 |
| MinceR | obtaining missing packages for SLES/SLED was also a pain in the ass | Jan 01 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | > desktop shows up after applications show up | Jan 01 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | Well, that's all in session's domain. | Jan 01 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | maybe it's the same issue as "sometimes applications take a long time to show up" | Jan 01 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | (maybe gnome-shell and plasma are affected) | Jan 01 19:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: so you're saying that a few seconds of typing made it "useless garbage"? | Jan 01 19:10 |
| MinceR | i'm saying that they didn't even care enough to put that info on their netinstall image | Jan 01 19:10 |
| MinceR | or to resolve a domain name | Jan 01 19:10 |
| schestowitz | it's not likely reducible to just a GPU issue | Jan 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | see above some of the symptoms | Jan 01 19:11 |
| MinceR | there was also the keyboard repeat issue after the install | Jan 01 19:11 |
| msb__ | You're an idiot. | Jan 01 19:11 |
| MinceR | no, you're an idiot | Jan 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | the kwin slowness is eliminated mostly by dropping kwin/composite | Jan 01 19:11 |
| MinceR | but hey, if that level of quality is "stable" to you, have fun with lendows | Jan 01 19:11 |
| msb__ | Now you're totally lying. | Jan 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | suse was good before ubuntu | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | then ubuntu became better in almost every way | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | afaict it was never good | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | and later came ubuntu derivs with other DEs, like SUSE | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | yast2 was good | Jan 01 19:12 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You and oiaohm deserve each other. | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | i don't think suse was an ubuntu derivative | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | and there were other suse tools which gave it an edge | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | seeing how it uses rpm and zypper | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | it's not, I didn't say it was | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | msb__: you deserve *suse and lendows | Jan 01 19:13 |
| msb__ | yast2 was great, the community was very helpful, and the distro was very well maintained. | Jan 01 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Are you on GNOME now? | Jan 01 19:14 |
| schestowitz | no, plain openbox | Jan 01 19:14 |
| schestowitz | no docks/panels | Jan 01 19:14 |
| schestowitz | wallpaper with feh | Jan 01 19:14 |
| MinceR | yeah, it was so well maintained they couldn't even be bothered to do a call to gethostbyname() | Jan 01 19:15 |
| MinceR | thankfully i didn't have to do much with *suse | Jan 01 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log | Jan 01 19:15 |
| MinceR | then came the novell deal, then came systemd | Jan 01 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | what: radeon, amdgpu or fglrx? | Jan 01 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | or vesa? :) | Jan 01 19:16 |
| msb__ | I just downloaded the DVD ISO. The novell deal didn't hurt anything. | Jan 01 19:16 |
| MinceR | except gnu/linux, and the FLOSS community | Jan 01 19:16 |
| MinceR | but who cares about those? | Jan 01 19:17 |
| msb__ | It had no actual effect. You are just lying. | Jan 01 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | Now there's no Novell and patents are in Microsoft's hands. | Jan 01 19:20 |
| msb__ | But microshit never did any actual patent attacks, did it? | Jan 01 19:21 |
| MinceR | they did FUD and they threatened, maybe also sued android device makers over linux | Jan 01 19:21 |
| MinceR | i think TR covers all that pretty well | Jan 01 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://perens.com/blog/2015/12/31/ian-murdock-dead/ | Jan 01 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | Ian Murdock dead | Bruce Perens [ http://ur1.ca/odeq9 ] | Jan 01 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: CPTN | Jan 01 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about this tomorrow | Jan 01 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Wrong highlight? :) | Jan 01 19:25 |
| msb__ | In any case the opensuse maintainers did very well, and could not be held responsible for anything the shit corporate owners did. Until systemd. | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | To those of you who blame the police he encountered twice before his suicide: not this time. Ian died a victim of mental illness. | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | It’s horrible that such a genius, someone who did so much good, should have such a meaningless, unfair, undignified death. | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <XRevan86> Now there's no Novell and patents are in Microsoft's hands. | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: not wrong | Jan 01 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: In Microsoft's proxy hands? | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | unless you're schizo ;-) | Jan 01 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | (22:20:33) msb__: But microshit never did any actual patent attacks, did it? | Jan 01 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I thought it's an answer to | Jan 01 19:26 |
| msb__ | What police say can _never_ be trusted. | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does attack with patents | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell fueled their attacks | Jan 01 19:27 |
| schestowitz | !google novell intellectual property peace of mind | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Microsoft-Novell Linux deal: Two years later | InfoWorld | http://www.infoworld.com/article/2654097/linux/the-microsoft-novell-linux-deal--two-years-later.html | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Touts Novell Interop Benefits -- Redmondmag.com | https://redmondmag.com/articles/2010/06/21/microsoft-cites-success-of-novell-linux-interop-deal.aspx | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft makes Linux pact with Novell - CNET | http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-makes-linux-pact-with-novell/ | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Intellectual Property Expansion | News Center | http://news.microsoft.com/2004/11/10/microsoft-intellectual-property-expansion/ | Jan 01 19:27 |
| msb__ | I'm not justifying anything that novell or microshit did. I'm saying that before systemd opensuse was an excellent distro - easy to use, and easy to get help for. | Jan 01 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: I can as well say that didn't change. | Jan 01 19:28 |
| MinceR | yes, and anyone who had issues with *suse is "lying" and is an "idiot" | Jan 01 19:29 |
| MinceR | apparently | Jan 01 19:29 |
| msb__ | systemd is 36 megabytes of incomprehensible source code, and people are reporting all sorts of problems with it. It ruined the simple structure of Linux. | Jan 01 19:30 |
| schestowitz | 36 megs? | Jan 01 19:30 |
| schestowitz | data files included? | Jan 01 19:30 |
| schestowitz | or just sources? | Jan 01 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Data files included. | Jan 01 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "Yet Corel and Microsoft are wasting all sorts of money in court with design patents. Are they trying to prove that you can still make problems if you have enough money and are not a “troll”?" | Jan 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6938720 | Jan 01 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/682621512428343296 | Jan 01 19:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Software Patents Used by Patent Trolls in the United States Are Squashed in Courts https://t.co/yeBaVv8DsR | Jan 01 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: that's too much, too fast | Jan 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | not mature, for sure | Jan 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and surely not enough developers have looked through it to fix, improve, revise | Jan 01 19:32 |
| msb__ | Even this summary is incomprehensible: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Jan 01 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Jan 01 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jan 01 19:34 |
| msb__ | Is that the name of a new arthritis drug? Usually they're longer than that. | Jan 01 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why do you use Ubuntu in the first place, BTW? | Jan 01 19:37 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Are you OK? | Jan 01 19:38 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 01 19:40 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I used the first version when I worked for MCC | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | where the first gnu/linux was made | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I worked with its founder | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | the distro was called MCC | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Owen LeBlanc made it, not many people recognised this achievement of his | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | someone who worked with me at ISBE gave me the Ubuntu CD | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | 4.04 | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | 4.10 I mean | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | told me about this astronaut guy who made a simpler debian | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | up until then I was a Red Hat and more so SUSE person | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I still was for a few years | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | later mandriva | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | some Kubuntu | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | it's mso | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | *mostly the same anyway | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | just different packaging and glitter | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | I assume you didn't mean MCC Interim Linux | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I did | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | or maybe you did... :) | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | !google MCC Interim Linux | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - MCC Interim Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCC_Interim_Linux | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - A Short History of Linux Distributions [LWN.net] | https://lwn.net/Articles/91371/ | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - History of Early Linux Distros - Make Tech Easier | https://www.maketecheasier.com/history-of-early-linux-distros/ | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - MCC Linux 1.0 - Terasaur | http://terasaur.org/item/show/mcc-linux-1-0/6517 | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I even fixed Wikipedia once | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | ok, that was one of the earliest distros | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | when it stated something incorrect | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | it was the first | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | it might have even been the first one | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jan 01 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ugh, I mean now… | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Owen got gnu and linux over FTP | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | he did a phd in philosophy or something at the time | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | first to combine Linux AND GNU | Jan 01 19:44 |
| cubexyz | but if you used MCC Linux, did you stick with Linux all the way since then? | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | not me | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | I only started using GNU/Linux years later | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat was my first | Jan 01 19:44 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the point was, I used the first Ubuntu | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | not many people did | Jan 01 19:45 |
| cubexyz | I remember those days | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | and I installed it on my production/main machine at work | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | at MCC | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Manchester Computing Centre | Jan 01 19:45 |
| cubexyz | I assume that is where MCC Linux got it's name? | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Been going through some transition since UMIST and Victoria U of Manchester merged | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | A lot of my colleagues at the time retired, left, laid off, relocated etc. | Jan 01 19:46 |
| cubexyz | Owen Le Blanc, yes | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | as functions of people moved around a bit, I left in 2007 IIRC | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | or 2006 | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Last I heard Owen worked as the IT person in MBS, Manchester Business School | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | the UoM one, opposite to where I lived for 6 years | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | even more, 7.5 almost | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | where my ex g/f studied | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | she went back to China | Jan 01 19:47 |
| cubexyz | Got some more history for you. did you know Queen Mary College in London used Unix v6 back in 1975? | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Owen never got much out of MCC | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | let alone recognition | Jan 01 19:47 |
| cubexyz | fairly recently I re-discovered that | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | he worked as a fairly ordinary person | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | better known for his phd than for his work on GNU and Linux | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't know Unix versions so well | Jan 01 19:48 |
| cubexyz | yes, sometimes people don't get much credit | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Ian too | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | except the name of the distro | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Was LF CTO for a while | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | failed at progeny | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | which Perens owned | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | failed at Sun in a way | Jan 01 19:49 |
| cubexyz | but my point was that schools in the UK did know about Unix | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | their distro never went far | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | joined docker only very recently | Jan 01 19:49 |
| cubexyz | it's just a shame it didn't chance on more what with all the windows nonsense | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | and not at a very high position/level | Jan 01 19:49 |
| cubexyz | s/chance/catch/ | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | UNIX was a Bell thing, so US... | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I can't imagine Russia and China relying much on it | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | unless they trusted US telecom in the Cold War era | Jan 01 19:50 |
| cubexyz | it was pretty significant in the Anglosphere if you pardon the term :) | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | which did lots of SIGINT | Jan 01 19:50 |
| cubexyz | USA, Canada, Australia, UK | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | also unix commands are english | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | the whole unix/posix/universal thing is very Five Eyes | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | even if you work in russia | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | imagine ukranian and russian crackers gaving to learn english to just interpret commands | Jan 01 19:51 |
| cubexyz | Russians copied DEC computers, so they also copied Unix | Jan 01 19:51 |
| schestowitz | when cracking servers almost anywhere in the world | Jan 01 19:51 |
| schestowitz | in china I guess you could have single-character commands | Jan 01 19:51 |
| cubexyz | Canada isn't too bad with Unix adoption | Jan 01 19:52 |
| *XRevan86 lost track. | Jan 01 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | so a complicated script with no numerics would be very concise | Jan 01 19:52 |
| cubexyz | not great, but not terrible | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | a 6-letter word can be a long malicious script | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | taboo "word" | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Corel is Canadian IIRC | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Toronto maybe | Jan 01 19:52 |
| cubexyz | no, Ottawa | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | it had xandros | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | which was NY-based at one time at least | Jan 01 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | Programming is all about English, so UNIX doesn't highlight much on the background. | Jan 01 19:53 |
| cubexyz | they probably have an office in Toronto though | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Toronto is close to NY | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | i4i is also Canadian | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | another office suite thing | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | but more parasitic, almost a troll | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Now MS attacks Corel with patents | Jan 01 19:53 |
| MinceR | i4i, tooth4tooth? | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | making Corel look like the abuser | Jan 01 19:53 |
| cubexyz | not really a fan of Corel, even though it is Canadian | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: an eye for an eye | Jan 01 19:54 |
| cubexyz | but on the bright side, Vector Linux and OpenBSD is Canadian | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | troll attacks bigger trolls | Jan 01 19:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/I4i_vs_Microsoft | Jan 01 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | I4i vs Microsoft - Techrights | Jan 01 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | lots of articles about just this one case | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I remember writing some of them, I wonder if i4i is defunct now | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | or still around as a site, but not many clients to keep the staff salaried | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They got backstabbed by MS | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They looked at what they do | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | and then ripped them off | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | typical MS, so it's not a plain/classic patent case | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | More like classic EEE from MS | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but de raadt is from SA originall | Jan 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | that's like saying Ubuntu is English | Jan 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | because of London HQ and tax evasion through Isle of Man | Jan 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | !google shuttleworth south africa tax | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - South African Reserve Bank and Another v Shuttleworth and ... - Saflii | http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZACC/2015/17.html | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Shuttleworth loses R250m exit charge case in ConCourt | News ... | http://mg.co.za/article/2015-06-18-shuttleworth-loses-r250m-exit-charge-case-in-concourt | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - SA billionaire Shuttleworth loses R250 million tax case - BusinessTech | http://businesstech.co.za/news/wealth/90984/sa-billionaire-shuttleworth-loses-r250-million-tax-case/ | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Shuttleworth tax battle explained | Fin24 | http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Financial-Services/Shuttleworth-tax-battle-explained-20150618 | Jan 01 19:56 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, he lives in Calgary so.... | Jan 01 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I wasn't born in Canada either :) | Jan 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | "Yet Corel and Microsoft are wasting all sorts of money in court with design patents. Are they trying to prove that you can still make problems if you have enough money and are not a “troll”?" | Jan 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6938720 | Jan 01 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/682621512428343296 | Jan 01 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Software Patents Used by Patent Trolls in the United States Are Squashed in Courts https://t.co/yeBaVv8DsR | Jan 01 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: England? | Jan 01 19:57 |
| cubexyz | Northern Ireland :) | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Ah, yes | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I recall something like that | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if you kept the accent | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | a lot of east asians and russia (n asia) move to Canada these days, I think | Jan 01 19:58 |
| cubexyz | no, I was only 1.5 years old when my folks immigrated | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I knew English people who moved to Canada and came back | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ah, OK | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | so you're like Matthew Garrett | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | also born around there | Jan 01 19:59 |
| cubexyz | well, did my audio blogs sound Irish? I doubt it :) | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | can't recall if it was belfast or some small town | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | !google Matthew Garrett born ireland | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Matthew Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Garrett | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - GARRETT Genealogy & Family History - FREE | http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/GARRETT | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Garrett - Surnames - Genealogy.com | http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/garrett/ | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Saint Patrick - New World Encyclopedia | http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Saint_Patrick | Jan 01 19:59 |
| cubexyz | yes, Belfast for me | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: doesn't sound so | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | which is why it baffled me | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | People mistake my accent for Canadian | Jan 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | the most common guess people come up with | Jan 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | "Born Galway, Ireland' | Jan 01 20:00 |
| cubexyz | you didn't sound English to me either :) | Jan 01 20:00 |
| cubexyz | I couldn't place your accent | Jan 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | "Garrett filed a complaint with US Customs against Fusion Garage due to violations of the GPL" | Jan 01 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | somebody give me a recording of schestowitz :) | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Fairly comprehensive a Wikipedia article about a person not so significant, IMHO | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Nobody wrote a Wikipedia article about me, feel free to start one (cannot write about onself) | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | *oneself | Jan 01 20:01 |
| cubexyz | Garrett was born in Ireland? | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/category/techbytes/ | Jan 01 20:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/bq5m0 ] | Jan 01 20:01 | |
| schestowitz | or http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/TechBytes | Jan 01 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/atg04 ] | Jan 01 20:02 | |
| cubexyz | I wonder if there's an irish distro | Jan 01 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Does techrights.org have issues now? | Jan 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | no, why? Slow? | Jan 01 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | it keeps "server not found" | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: none I could think of | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Was that Kieran guy who made the thing before Solus Irish? | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Or just his name? | Jan 01 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | there, opened | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | He stepped down either way, got a job somewhere | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I used to think Clem was Irish | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I think French | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | vhttp://archive09.linux.com/articles/129740 | Jan 01 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive09.linux.com | Linux.com :: Celebrate St. Patrick's Day, Linux-style [ http://ur1.ca/odev0 ] | Jan 01 20:04 | |
| cubexyz | Mint? | Jan 01 20:04 |
| cubexyz | isn' | Jan 01 20:04 |
| cubexyz | t Mint irish? | Jan 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62159733 | Jan 01 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boards.ie | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/odev1 ] | Jan 01 20:04 | |
| schestowitz | Wait, seems possible | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe clem moved | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | " My email address is clem AT linuxmint DOT com. And I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. " | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | " And many laptops I see in College are using it, I have mentioned to people that it was an Irish disto, most people were not aware of this." | Jan 01 20:05 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS is german | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://lmelinux.net/2014/07/24/interview-clem-leader-linux-mint/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'lmelinux.net' ( status 0 @ http://lmelinux.net/2014/07/24/interview-clem-leader-linux-mint/ ) | Jan 01 20:06 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: English like English | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | "Clement Lefebvre" | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | very French name | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | EPO has a Lefebvre | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights Lefebvre | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - 2015 November 21 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/11/21/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux Mint Founder Does Not Follow Ubuntu's Banshee ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/14/no-interest-in-banshee/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Benefits of Ubuntu's Derivatives: MATE, Cinnamon, and ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/12/08/ubuntu-derivatives/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2015 November 20 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | but with the French accent on it | Jan 01 20:07 |
| cubexyz | but Mint has systemd in it :-/ | Jan 01 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: As an Ubuntu derivative… duh | Jan 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint | Jan 01 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Linux Mint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 01 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | No article about Clem in Wikipedia | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | which really shows where Wikipedia fails | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | long article about MS SJW with journal/blogspot crap | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | and none about Clem | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | with the most popular distro in DW | Jan 01 20:08 |
| cubexyz | what would you say is the most popular non-systemd distro? | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | The Wikipedia article doesn't mention a country | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | so I guess it's country-neutral | Jan 01 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Gentoo | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | but we know Clem hates Israel (apologised for saying so later) | Jan 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | that could be either a French or Irish thing ;-) | Jan 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Clement+Lefebvre&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go nothing there | Jan 01 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Clement Lefebvre - Search results - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odevw ] | Jan 01 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://helpforlinux.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/minty-chat-with-mr-clement-lefebvre.html | Jan 01 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-helpforlinux.blogspot.co.uk | Help For Linux: Minty Chat with Mr. Clement Lefebvre [ http://ur1.ca/odew2 ] | Jan 01 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Clement+Lefebvre&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go" | Jan 01 20:10 |
| schestowitz | " Linux Mint is designed in Ireland and conforms to both Irish and European law." | Jan 01 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Interview-Clement-Lefebvre-Linux-Mint-52754.shtml | Jan 01 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Interview: Clement Lefebvre, Linux Mint [ http://ur1.ca/odew6 ] | Jan 01 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | maybe Frenchman living in Ireland | Jan 01 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Or Irish with French roots | Jan 01 20:11 |
| cubexyz | I don't really think about countries + linux that much | Jan 01 20:12 |
| cubexyz | I just use what I use | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/ | Jan 01 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Jan 01 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 1 Mint 3111< | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 2 Debian 1931> | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 3 Ubuntu 1529> | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Not change much for a long time | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | watch debian rising | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe related to Ian | Jan 01 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | distrowatch is doubtfully a good source for distro popularity stats | Jan 01 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | not that there's any other | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | hmmm. maybe not | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | "12 months: 2 (1,810), 6 months: 2 (1,931), 3 months: 2 (1,944), 4 weeks: 2 (1,878), 1 week: 2 (1,975)" | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian | Jan 01 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux [ http://ur1.ca/odewb ] | Jan 01 20:13 | |
| cubexyz | everyone seems to talk about Ubuntu though | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | !google linspire games distrowatch | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - DistroWatch.com: Linspire | http://distrowatch.com/linspire | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Distribution Release: Linspire 6.0 (DistroWatch.com News) | http://distrowatch.com/4523 | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Interview: Adam Williamson - DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into ... | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php%3Fissue%3D20070618 | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Spanish | http://distrowatch.com/index.php%3Flanguage%3DES%26 | Jan 01 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | Distrowatch makes statistic basing on clicks on distro pages on Distrowatch. | Jan 01 20:13 |
| cubexyz | or rather people who talk about Linux talk about Ubuntu | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | when does a linspire with KDE Framework 5 come out? | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and with CNR | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and MS fonts | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | liencesed fully | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | !google linspire eye blow piracy | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » Pre-installing Linux | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100 | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - React OS:Here comes the Windows Nemesis! | Tux Enclave. | https://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/react-oshere-comes-the-windows-nemesis/ | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft has ruined Windows ! - VideoHelp Forum | http://forum.videohelp.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D2425701 | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2009 November 18 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/11/18/ | Jan 01 20:14 |
| cubexyz | I thought linspire was dead? | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | xandros too | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it was bought out | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | now MS wants to kill even the papa of xandros | Jan 01 20:15 |
| cubexyz | they are saying Murdock was a suicide :-/ | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | unless we can ensure MS is dead, first... | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's OK, MS loves Linux now... | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Come here, Sayta, gimma a hug | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | *gimme | Jan 01 20:15 |
| cubexyz | http://insightticker.com/2016/01/01/3244/police-proved-that-ian-murdock-death-is-an-apparent-suicide/ | Jan 01 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insightticker.com | Police Proved That Ian Murdock Death Is An Apparent Suicide [ http://ur1.ca/odewl ] | Jan 01 20:15 | |
| schestowitz | probably | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | based on what I read he was close to it before | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and the police contributed to this | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | nah, I don't believe for a second Microsoft loves Linux | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I do | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I can feel it | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | they just want to make $$$ from it | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | you only hurt someone you love | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft loves $$$ :) | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | they have kinky love | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | seems like Ian Murdock flipped out | Jan 01 20:17 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: that's what the police said | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | don't trust their version of these events | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in The Register | Jan 01 20:18 |
| cubexyz | I never got any reply to my email | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | in fact, disregard this story until there is some independent sources | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | not police investigating police | Jan 01 20:18 |
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| cubexyz | right | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I rebutted this online 2 nights ago | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | "including resisting arrest and assaulting emergency personnel. " | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Meaning he didn't break in | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and he says he didn't assault them | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | it's a classic smear | Jan 01 20:19 |
| cubexyz | the whole story is very strange | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | call him drunk | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and pretend they cared for his wellbeing | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | when it's them who harmed him | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and why would a female officer take his undies off? | Jan 01 20:20 |
| cubexyz | no idea | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | "On Monday, police returned to the 2400 block of Green Street on reports of a possible suicide. The city medical examiner’s office confirmed Murdock was found dead there." | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Wonder why... | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait... so he was assaulted and raped | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Worse than Swartz | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | who was only mentally threatened | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | that they would bankrupt his whole family with legal fees | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | reverse mortgage and all | Jan 01 20:21 |
| cubexyz | pretty nasty | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | dozens of counts thrown at him | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | to make it more expensive for his lawyers to respond | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | and make the whole process lengthier | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "Gatpandan said she urges anyone seeking help with a suicidal individual to quickly call police to get them to the help they need." | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL!! | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Say the bastards who CAUSED the suicide | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Because a millionaire was reported to be trying to "break into" a home | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | what for? | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Friggin' jewleries? | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | To put together some pennies to buy a repurposed box with debian? | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh, the precious police | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | tried to save him from suicide | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | which they themselves led to | Jan 01 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I heard bourgeois are trying to rob the poor. This must be it. | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and they called a medic to help treat a woung | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | which their own abuse caused | Jan 01 20:23 |
| cubexyz | did Murdock drink? | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah, going into their house | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I drink sometimes too | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | it's a personal attack | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and it was xmas | Jan 01 20:24 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | many people here drink around xmas | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | EPO smears staff reps like this | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | even a judge | Jan 01 20:24 |
| cubexyz | sure, I'm just trying to figure out what happened | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Making personal attacks on their sanity | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a famous trick to discredit the accused | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe he drank and came to the wrong door | Jan 01 20:24 |
| cubexyz | possible | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | and this was interpreted as break-in attempt | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | police: sir, stop | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | IM: what? | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | police: we saw you trying to enter another house | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: i has a brew | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: so? | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: it's dark | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | the houses look similar | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: you're coming with me | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: what for? | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: breakin investigation | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: it's xmas, I had a drink | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: you're resisting arrest now | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: what? Do you know who I am? | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: who? You have scars on your face? | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: dafaq! I'm a geek | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: come with me | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: leave me alone | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I founded debian | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: what's that | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: Linux | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: no idea what you mean | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: i work for docker? | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: SF bay docks? | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: no, the container company | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: ah, I see, containers | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: you don't understand... | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: sir, you're coming with me | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: I made $1.4m last year | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: sure you did... | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | later: | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | IM: police are uneducated | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | accused me of attack | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | say they have no footage to prove otherwise | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | had to pay then 25k in bail | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | for attacking "THEM" | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | So they actually made money of the whole thing | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | imagine that | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | these bastards led him to suicide | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | and took some of his money, too | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | can his kids get a refund? | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | will anyone be prosecuted for doing this to the "assaulting" combative person who committed suicide | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | no need for coverup | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | they already led him to suicide | Jan 01 20:30 |
| schestowitz | therein is the coverup | Jan 01 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Saved and protected.... themselves | Jan 01 20:30 |
| schestowitz | from big lawsuits | Jan 01 20:30 |
| cubexyz | bail is a bond though | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | don't know how it works, lawyers' thing | Jan 01 20:33 |
| cubexyz | you get part of it back I think, once you appear in court | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | i just said to my wife, that's the thing about suicide... | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | you're dead | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | and they're alive | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | so your last words against theirs | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | and they can add words and repeat the lies many times | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | or reword with clever spin against last words | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Should have survived to challenge them | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | now we'll hear the "official" police story and he had no chances to rebut | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | except by going back to his last words, which no doubt they'll deny | Jan 01 20:35 |
| cubexyz | the coroner or medical examiner will have the last word | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | on cause of death | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | but that's not the end of it | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Mike Masnick (techDirt) says he can't cover it as not enough is known | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | same thing I said | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | if he's declared dead due to something he ingested, then likely a suicide | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | unless someone force-fed him | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | or police has some KGB/FSB era (or CIA) ways of making a death look natural when it's not | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | That leaves many unknowns | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Esp. regarding what happened in the van, the hospital, the cell | Jan 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | so he took down many bits of info with him | Jan 01 20:37 |
| cubexyz | his words were "uneducated, evil and sadistic" | Jan 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | didn't even write a lucid, clear blog post | Jan 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | incoherent tweets instead | Jan 01 20:38 |
| cubexyz | definitely cause for worry | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | but I'd say | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | if he's gonna end up keeping the promise to commit suicide, name the people | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | and give a lot of details | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | time, place, act | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | demand independent probee | Jan 01 20:38 |
| cubexyz | it's definitely a major botch-up | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | there's no paper trail | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | with Swartz there was | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | like legal documents | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | so there was a MIT report | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | and some other investigations | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | these went on for months and months | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | even become the subject of some movies | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | in here we just have his words against SF police's words | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | and a report written by police | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | about the police | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | looking at their track record after such incidents, they cannot be trusted (many cases to show fabrication of evidence) | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | no alibis indoors (Ian's house) | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe some outdoors, near neighbour | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Police van = only police presence that survives | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | hospital - who knows... | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | but let's hope the family demands action like a probe into it | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | it's still Jan 1st, so holiday... | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | many branches of gov. closed | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | and journalists away | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | his dying wish was justice | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | some people bury him and piss on him | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | by repeating the police coverup story | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | and smear him | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "mental illness", "drunk"... | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | scary to think what they could get away with on anyone if this can be done to a person with so much credibility | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | reducing him to a caricature of suicidal violent alcoholic | Jan 01 20:44 |
| schestowitz | when it's just some guy who knocked on the wrong door | Jan 01 20:44 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what he did later was a reaction/reponse to the way he was treated | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | e.g. IF, as the police claims, he screamed later | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | he was rightly upset at that stage | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and bruised | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | they blame his injuries on him | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | like he head-butted metal | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and then they KINDLY called a medic for him | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | LOL!!! | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Guffaw | Jan 01 20:46 |
| schestowitz | !google police charges man for bleeding on uniform | Jan 01 20:46 |
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| cubexyz | ridiculous | Jan 01 20:47 |
| MinceR | https://medium.com/@wilshipley/the-absolutely-true-story-of-a-real-programmer-who-never-learned-c-210e43a1498b | Jan 01 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | The Absolutely True Story of a Real Programmer Who Never Learned C — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/odezz ] | Jan 01 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> Someone mentioned in IRC the man who had a heart attack 9 months after | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > suggesting that US relinquishes control of DNS. | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Did they mention a name? | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >> > Yes, but I cannot recall. Search it... | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe it was Jon Postel. He died in 1998, just a while after being | Jan 01 20:49 |
| *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@184.18.5.161) has joined #techrights | Jan 01 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | > accused of flexing his muscle: | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > In early 1997, as the US government was discussing | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > domain name alternatives, he used this power to | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > transfer control temporarily away from Network | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > Solutions to his own server. | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/196487.stm | Jan 01 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failure when receiving data from the peer ( status 0 @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/196487.stm ) | Jan 01 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's the guy. | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Makes you wonder.... | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | msb__: ^ | Jan 01 20:49 |
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| cubexyz | good story MinceR :) | Jan 01 21:09 |
| cubexyz | back in 2009 there was a strange incident with Peter Watts, a Canadian Sci-Fi author | Jan 01 21:19 |
| cubexyz | there was some physical altercation between him and US border guards | Jan 01 21:19 |
| cubexyz | http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2009/12/12/us_border_guards_arrest_author_peter_watts.html | Jan 01 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com | U.S. border guards arrest author Peter Watts | Toronto Star [ http://ur1.ca/odf3l ] | Jan 01 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2016/01/01/palm-pda-in-2016/ | Jan 01 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » How I Use an Old Palm PDA Even in 2016 [ http://ur1.ca/odf3m ] | Jan 01 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: when it comes to portable device, I'm more like you, I guess | Jan 01 21:20 |
| MinceR | maybe i'd use a Palm PDA if it didn't shit itself after 13 months | Jan 01 21:20 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, zaurus :) | Jan 01 21:20 |
| cubexyz | get a zaurus :) | Jan 01 21:20 |
| MinceR | or a zaurus, if they were ever sold in hungary | Jan 01 21:21 |
| cubexyz | I still have mine | Jan 01 21:21 |
| cubexyz | SL series was Linux based | Jan 01 21:22 |
| cubexyz | get one of those SL-C1000's | Jan 01 21:22 |
| cubexyz | might cost you a few bucks though :) | Jan 01 21:22 |
| cubexyz | you can get a SL-5500 pretty cheap | Jan 01 21:23 |
| cubexyz | I ported a bunch of stuff to zaurus years ago | Jan 01 21:23 |
| cubexyz | units, file, bc, even ncurses | Jan 01 21:24 |
| schestowitz | http://palmaddicts.com/post/135799015666 | Jan 01 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palmaddicts.com | PalmAddict • Still a Palm LifeDrive user after all these... | Jan 01 21:26 | |
| cubexyz | maybe if Palm could run Linux... | Jan 01 21:27 |
| cubexyz | but Palm went to the darkside if I remember correctly | Jan 01 21:28 |
| cubexyz | maybe Palm Pilot did Linux? | Jan 01 21:28 |
| cubexyz | ok, they went webos later on | Jan 01 21:31 |
| cubexyz | I still say SL-C series is better :) | Jan 01 21:32 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, I never saw Zaurus in Canada either | Jan 01 21:32 |
| cubexyz | only used on ebay | Jan 01 21:32 |
| cubexyz | I guess there's HP Pre 3 nowadays | Jan 01 21:33 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, if you really want old school there's Newton :) | Jan 01 21:36 |
| cubexyz | but historically there was Sharp way before that | Jan 01 21:37 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Sharp PC-1250 pocket computer | Jan 01 21:37 |
| cubexyz | single line LCD display :) | Jan 01 21:38 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-PC-1211-pocket-computer-CE-122-printer-/262186261889?hash=item3d0b84dd81:g:WoYAAOSwf-VWalOe | Jan 01 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com | Sharp PC-1211 pocket computer & CE-122 printer | Jan 01 21:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Just for this: | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Happy New Year Roy, | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It's been a long time, but long stories later. Just to wish you a very blessed Happy New Year for you & family. | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Saddened to learn about the demise of Ian Murdock, though suspicions might arise to his cause of death. Very sad about him and family specially. | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "My best wishes for all your endeavours." | Jan 01 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Espanol | Jan 01 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Español - Techrights | Jan 01 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 148,134 times.' | Jan 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Jan 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Didn't even notice, didn't visit this page for years | Jan 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 293,941 times." | Jan 01 22:06 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Jan 01 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ] | Jan 01 22:06 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I thought Jon Postel might fit on your list of mysterious IT deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Jan 01 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odb08 ] | Jan 01 22:10 | |
| msb__ | "On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident." Age 55. | Jan 01 22:10 |
| msb__ | But IANA was under USC with a contract with the Air Force, so I don't see what a big difference he made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority | Jan 01 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Assigned Numbers Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odf8y ] | Jan 01 22:14 | |
| msb__ | Anyhow 55 is pretty young to die from a heart attack, which of course can be induced by many means -- drugs, electrical, microwave bombardment. | Jan 01 22:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CProtopapas/status/683040807872532480 | Jan 01 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CProtopapas: @schestowitz @BBCNews yes, and no one has ever demolished a 65-story concrete building. | Jan 01 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: nine months is a long | Jan 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | time | Jan 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | unless he was making progress | Jan 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | and approached a tipping point | Jan 01 22:20 |
| msb__ | No, it looks like his change was reversed immediately. But if someone wanted revenge, waiting nine months would decrease the chance of being suspected. | Jan 01 22:22 |
| msb__ | Why kill Gary Kildall at the time they did? | Jan 01 22:24 |
| msb__ | Maybe they do it just to dishearten others. Remember, these are psychopaths. They are not human (in their firmware/software). | Jan 01 22:27 |
| msb__ | We had beautiful, simple, modular Linux, which gave us joy. And they wrecked it with systemd. | Jan 01 22:28 |
| msb__ | More practically, they took away our enthusiasm for recommending Linux to Windows users, because there's no good distro to recommend. Just as Windows 10 is really disappointing people with auto-botnet-updates. | Jan 01 22:32 |
| msb__ | I wonder if Ian Murdock was talking about starting a non-systemd Linux distro, or joining up with Devuan... | Jan 01 22:35 |
| msb__ | The destruction of Linux must be very important to the ruling psychopaths. Tens, hundreds of millions of people getting out from under control of the corporate/government control-freak psychopaths. Very important to them to stop it.] | Jan 01 22:39 |
| cubexyz | the Apple guy died too don't forget | Jan 01 22:40 |
| msb__ | But Apple is just as money-driven as Microsoft. However, there could be conflicts between psychopaths. | Jan 01 22:42 |
| cubexyz | Programmers don't always take good care of their health | Jan 01 22:43 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft will just rot away from within, that's my prediction | Jan 01 22:44 |
| cubexyz | no one really likes windows 10 | Jan 01 22:44 |
| msb__ | Jobs was diagnosed with a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor in 2003 and died of respiratory arrest related to the tumor on October 5, 2011. | Jan 01 22:44 |
| cubexyz | probably even Gates wouldn't like windows 10 | Jan 01 22:46 |
| cubexyz | but who knows | Jan 01 22:46 |
| msb__ | But MS is so large and its usage so widely spread that it will take a very long time to rot away. Especially with Linux crippled by systemd. | Jan 01 22:46 |
| msb__ | Plenty of people like windows 10 -- people who don't know any better. | Jan 01 22:47 |
| cubexyz | I haven't encountered anyone who has used it that actually likes it | Jan 01 22:48 |
| msb__ | Yes, but you run a repair service. | Jan 01 22:48 |
| cubexyz | this was my most recent customer's statement: | Jan 01 22:49 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt | Jan 01 22:49 |
| cubexyz | I'm not touching it, not that I was planning to :) | Jan 01 22:51 |
| msb__ | Amazing! firefox updates itself all the time and never screws up. | Jan 01 22:51 |
| cubexyz | all that has to happen is a micro-power failure during an update with no UPS | Jan 01 22:52 |
| cubexyz | simple | Jan 01 22:52 |
| cubexyz | I tell people to buy a UPS but they don't all listen | Jan 01 22:52 |
| msb__ | Why not? You could reinstall windows and charge him $100. | Jan 01 22:52 |
| cubexyz | he did something a bit odd... he just stopped using the computer | Jan 01 22:53 |
| cubexyz | I offered to fix it | Jan 01 22:53 |
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| msb__ | Wow, his "powerful gaming machine"! | Jan 01 22:54 |
| cubexyz | people just aren't that adaptable | Jan 01 22:55 |
| cubexyz | they get hooked into windows (like windows always existed) and that's that | Jan 01 22:55 |
| cubexyz | but this guy should know better, he's older than you | Jan 01 22:56 |
| cubexyz | well over 80 | Jan 01 22:56 |
| cubexyz | you can imagine how frustrating it is | Jan 01 22:56 |
| msb__ | For him or you? You offerred to fix him. | Jan 01 22:58 |
| cubexyz | well I guess both in this case | Jan 01 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <cubexyz> I tell people to buy a UPS but they don't all listen | Jan 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone needs them | Jan 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Last time I had an outage was more than 5 years ago | Jan 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe 8 years ago or 9 | Jan 01 23:00 |
| cubexyz | UPS will extend the life of your equipment | Jan 01 23:00 |
| cubexyz | and I have small power outages monthly at least | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | the danger is hardware failure, fuse (toaster malfunction, as happened to me 4 years ago), or wire coming out (happened last week) | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: where in Canada? | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Probably not TO | Jan 01 23:01 |
| cubexyz | yes, outside of Toronto | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | ok, that would make some sense | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | outside in manchester, in rochdale, they had some outages last week due to the floods | Jan 01 23:01 |
| cubexyz | I bought extra UPSes for my older equipment, some of which is over 30 years old | Jan 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | do these rest? | Jan 01 23:03 |
| cubexyz | everything :) | Jan 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | If not, wear and tear can shorten their lives | Jan 01 23:03 |
| cubexyz | all my computers have UPS | Jan 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I still can't make my 2008 PC work again | Jan 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I guess I would too have it for a battery-less machine (desktop) | Jan 01 23:03 |
| cubexyz | the Amiga is from 1987 | Jan 01 23:04 |
| cubexyz | not quite 30 yet :) | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I was 5 | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | did you use replacement parts? | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I guess some spares are on ebay | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | lots of Amigas around | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | (same issue with very old cars and repair costs or parts availability) | Jan 01 23:05 |
| cubexyz | it's all original still, except I added a hard drive about 3 years later | Jan 01 23:05 |
| cubexyz | the hard drive still works to this day | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <msb__> Plenty of people like windows 10 -- people who don't know any better. | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Evidence? | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:48] <cubexyz> I haven't encountered anyone who has used it that actually likes it | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | i heard one friend who said he liked Vista 7 | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | but not vista 8 | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of anyone ever saying s/he liked Vista 8 | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Even though they called it "Windows 8" | Jan 01 23:06 |
| cubexyz | a few years ago, around 2011 I took the amiga apart and cleaned it | Jan 01 23:06 |
| cubexyz | that's about it | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:35] <msb__> I wonder if Ian Murdock was talking about starting a non-systemd Linux distro, or joining up with Devuan... | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | pointless thing, no evidence, no connection to his death | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | his boss is from Red Hat | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | see Docker's history | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Red hat is the shadow entity bringing up systemd to everything, Intel also a big force | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <msb__> Jobs was diagnosed with a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor in 2003 and died of respiratory arrest related to the tumor on October 5, 2011 | Jan 01 23:08 |
| msb__ | I just suggested it as a possibility, since he _created_ Debian. | Jan 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Now it's Bill's turn, not Ian's | Jan 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | But Bill is looked after by quite an army of people | Jan 01 23:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txt | Jan 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Jobs wasn't doing to well before 2003, after his company barely survived | Jan 01 23:09 |
| cubexyz | I made sure the hard drives always run once a month, that probably helped a lot | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | you know why they call it systemd? | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Because of Debra :-) | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | system Debra | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I think that's how it's spelled? Not Deborah? | Jan 01 23:10 |
| cubexyz | I thought it was because systems A through C sucked :) | Jan 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Of Debbie? | Jan 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | A: B: C:\ | Jan 01 23:10 |
| cubexyz | systemdaemon | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | system Damian | Jan 01 23:11 |
| cubexyz | the d at the end is an established convention | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | SystemDoodoo | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | init.d | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | /etc/init.d/ian stop | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | or as red hat prefers: | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | system ian stop | Jan 01 23:12 |
| cubexyz | even on BSD there's sshd, inetd, and xfconfd | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | service I mean | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | not system | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | in debian it's apache/2 | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | and red hat and derivs httpd | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I bet the latter will become the norm | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | with d at the end | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | even in debian | Jan 01 23:12 |
| cubexyz | it's been httpd as long as I can remember web servers | Jan 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | service http[SYSTEM]d stop | Jan 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: not in Debian | Jan 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | or maybe Debian too changed | Jan 01 23:14 |
| cubexyz | there's nginx and ummm | Jan 01 23:14 |
| cubexyz | lighttpd | Jan 01 23:14 |
| cubexyz | historically apache is based on NCSA HTTPd | Jan 01 23:16 |
| cubexyz | so that's the original name | Jan 01 23:16 |
| cubexyz | even the CERN web server was called httpd | Jan 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6912238 | Jan 01 23:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Interestingly enough, same legal firm which lobbies alongside #microsoft on the #patent front is the same one threatening me for #epo now | Jan 01 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | "What is EPO?" | Jan 01 23:18 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office | Jan 01 23:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6915172 | Jan 01 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Law schools lag behind on open source law https://opensource.com/education/15/12/teaching-open-source-law #freesw #law | Jan 01 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | "Oh, I graduated. Who knows if it is still the case. Also, transfering is much more difficult than it should be. You can only transfer after your first year. I did look into it, but too late." | Jan 01 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Teaching open source law | Opensource.com | Jan 01 23:19 | |
| cubexyz | syslogd was one of the earlier daemons | Jan 01 23:20 |
| cubexyz | but the idea of a 'daemon' goes back to 1976 | Jan 01 23:20 |
| cubexyz | also acctd goes back a long time | Jan 01 23:21 |
| cubexyz | so systemd's name is fine | Jan 01 23:22 |
| cubexyz | I guess | Jan 01 23:22 |
| cubexyz | it's really the scope of systemd that I find is problematic | Jan 01 23:23 |
| cubexyz | you could just log stuff, e.g. logger "today I added a USB drive" | Jan 01 23:28 |
| cubexyz | and syslogd would add that to /var/log/messages | Jan 01 23:29 |
| cubexyz | that is definitely from the BSD world though | Jan 01 23:34 |
| cubexyz | there's user logging too | Jan 01 23:36 |
| cubexyz | check /etc/syslog.conf there's lots of good options in there | Jan 01 23:38 |
| cubexyz | really BSD always had that anti-establishment bent to it | Jan 01 23:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/original-bsd-art-pdp-11.jpg | Jan 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/lifestyle/arts-entertainment/bye-bye-2015-hello-2016 | Jan 01 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstimes.com.sg | Bye bye 2015, hello 2016!, Arts & Entertainment - THE BUSINESS TIMES [ http://ur1.ca/odfgy ] | Jan 01 23:52 | |
| schestowitz | "THERE are rebellious teenagers and there is Amos Yee who makes Kylo Ren look like an angel. But with enlistment looming as he turns 18 this year, BMT might finally straighten him out. Stay tuned as The Singapore Armed Forces Awakens the recalcitrant teen." | Jan 01 23:52 |
| schestowitz | He should refuse to enlist and vlog the nation's reaction | Jan 01 23:52 |
| schestowitz | that would be entertaining | Jan 01 23:52 |
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| MinceR | "nation" | Jan 02 00:02 |
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| cubexyz | any new distro recommenations for 2016? :) | Jan 02 00:09 |
| cubexyz | recommendations | Jan 02 00:09 |
| *cubexyz recommendations for 2016: Don't use Windows 10 | Jan 02 00:12 | |
| MinceR | slackware, funtoo | Jan 02 00:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wmarybeard/status/680479219181350912 | Jan 02 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wmarybeard: Why do we our pay our licence fee to bbc? To watch the reindeer journey on bbc4. No commercial channel would ever risk it great @BBC4tech | Jan 02 00:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Midnight-Mass | Jan 02 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Midnight Mass [ http://ur1.ca/odfld ] | Jan 02 00:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683108180445016064 | Jan 02 02:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz Who took it down? Ian Murdock himself said he was going to post an explanation on his blog. He had lots2get off his chest. | Jan 02 02:14 | |
| schestowitz | one theory I have is that someone at the police deemed it "defamatory"; another is, the family thought it was embarrassing | Jan 02 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683111030206107648 | Jan 02 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz in either case, someone would've had to go in & "sanitize" what he was trying to communicate. Final words down the memory hole | Jan 02 03:01 | |
| schestowitz | http://archive.is/vBS6N | Jan 02 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Tweets with replies by Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Jan 02 03:11 | |
| schestowitz | with replies | Jan 02 03:11 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @crowdfunder_mag favourited 'The Funding Crowd 54, the latest in Linux...' | Jan 02 03:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/FPKH8uVMrn | Jan 02 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odfzm | Jan 02 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 02 03:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Midnight Mass https://t.co/oChptbcWR8 | Jan 02 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.schestowitz.com) | Jan 02 03:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odfzo | Jan 02 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.schestowitz.com | Midnight Mass | Jan 02 03:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683114338203353088 | Jan 02 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz the only solution is global. Even if you fix the local loopholes they'll just move $ offshore to tax shelters @sensanders | Jan 02 03:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683112658334253056 | Jan 02 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz Apparently, the last tweets, including responses from his acct were archived B4his acct was canxed; https://t.co/ln5oynuoxL | Jan 02 03:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683116132417536000 | Jan 02 03:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz this is response2last tweet from Ian's account, which appeared garbled: https://t.co/H8EvxYkdtq @strawberrysable acct nixed too | Jan 02 03:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maskedplacebo: @imurdock @StrawberrySabre are you drunk? | Jan 02 03:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683123589671968768 | Jan 02 03:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz &F it ws noose Y'd he ask4 30mins2tie it.Something doesn't make sense.+he was more intent on his story getting out 1st&foremost | Jan 02 03:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/683125487900622849 | Jan 02 03:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Can anyone verify the facts or clarify any aspect of this event? (Police brutality; then suicide of Debian founder) https://t.co/qmBNBHheyU | Jan 02 03:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Really sorry to hear that, thought it was someone else on his account :C" https://t.co/9xbRvLG2dn drove him to suicide? #4chan trolls. | Jan 02 03:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/683126122234642432 | Jan 02 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz I've been trying for 3 years to get an account deleted because I had created it in error. Still no response on my request. | Jan 02 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fanfare100/status/683126441605787649 | Jan 02 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fanfare100: @schestowitz Isn't 4-chan the birth place of #Anonymous ? | Jan 02 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't surprise me if so... | Jan 02 03:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683129297972899840 | Jan 02 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz Looks good to me? From Go Daddy, expires Feb 21, 2017. | Jan 02 03:35 | |
| schestowitz | odd, showed up as invalid to me | Jan 02 03:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683129857467748352 | Jan 02 03:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz More details would be helpful. For example, in Firefox click on the lock icon, it will show you details about the cert. | Jan 02 03:37 | |
| schestowitz | I had to mark is as an exception in Firefox, as it insisted there was invalidity (didn't read the exact error message) | Jan 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if I can go back to diagnose what had happened before I marked it as an exception. Could be sign of MITM? | Jan 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that was for https://internetarchive.org/ | Jan 02 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine | Jan 02 03:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683130426957799425 | Jan 02 03:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz You can go now and get the details, they should be the same | Jan 02 03:40 | |
| schestowitz | ixquick led to it, maybe time to expand the scope of your cerf | Jan 02 03:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/683130877233111042 | Jan 02 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: #irony https://t.co/i5RTh5rUzw | Jan 02 03:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft, Which Actively Aids State-Sponsored Attacks, Says It Will Battle State-Sponsored Attack https://t.co/ICnYkLogMS #microsoft #pr | Jan 02 03:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683131968041521152 | Jan 02 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz seems to be a generic problem with our redirect domains. thanks for reporting it. | Jan 02 03:45 | |
| schestowitz | Glad to have helped :-) | Jan 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | HNY | Jan 02 03:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/FPKH8uVMrn | Jan 02 03:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 03:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jan 02 03:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg3i | Jan 02 03:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 02 03:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The best Android apps of 2015 | Jan 02 03:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kbqSszpM4A (www.greenbot.com) | Jan 02 03:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg3j | Jan 02 03:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com | The best Android apps of 2015 | Greenbot | Jan 02 03:53 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683135703631310848 | Jan 02 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz Are you running a browser plugin that changes http to https? Because ixquick seems to me to be pointing at http, not https. | Jan 02 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | Depends what you search for, I think I tried "internet archive" | Jan 02 04:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Deprogrammer9/status/683135988680425472 | Jan 02 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Deprogrammer9: .@schestowitz @HotHardware they came for Ian. | Jan 02 04:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Deprogrammer9/status/683136701515075586 | Jan 02 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Deprogrammer9: .@schestowitz @MirrorTech I bet in new stuff he was not supposed to know. | Jan 02 04:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683136893131722756 | Jan 02 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Jan 02 04:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/683137978227494912 | Jan 02 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Which former security boss is it you are referring to? | Jan 02 04:11 | |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/2014/04/08/howard-schmidt-codenomicon/ | Jan 02 04:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/04/08/howard-schmidt-codenomicon/ | Jan 02 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Former Chief Security Officer for Microsoft the Chairman of the Board of Firm Behind Heartbleed® | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/h1bw9 ] | Jan 02 04:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glindahl/status/683138485851557890 | Jan 02 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glindahl: @schestowitz OIC the issue is that http www internetarchive org is a redir to https www internetarchive org, instead of archive org. | Jan 02 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | hope it helps improve the experience for ones like me who come from unexpected routes | Jan 02 04:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GatoPreto19/status/683139120605061121 | Jan 02 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GatoPreto19: @schestowitz Crossed my path, you thought of hacked account because of spelling errors.. - Strange this. | Jan 02 04:16 | |
| schestowitz | Right, because a person smart enough to crack Ian's Twitter account wouldn't be able to type an English sentence? | Jan 02 04:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | the contortions people will attempt to avoid acknowledging something uncomfortable | Jan 02 04:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/683140715866636289 | Jan 02 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz mb something abt docker (which is also in microsoft's interest)? | Jan 02 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | Doubt it, as Docker is founded by a Red hat guy. Microsoft does have interests though: http://techrights.org/2015/06/25/dockercon-2015-microsoft/ | Jan 02 04:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | DockerCon 2015 Infiltrated by Microsoft | Techrights | Jan 02 04:22 | |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: yes | Jan 02 04:23 |
| schestowitz | the police says the family wants privacy | Jan 02 04:23 |
| schestowitz | not sure still if they do | Jan 02 04:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | Jan 02 04:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe the police offered them this | Jan 02 04:23 |
| schestowitz | "don't worry, we'll investigate" | Jan 02 04:23 |
| schestowitz | "It's all under control" | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | "Your drunk violent daddy almost killed us" | Jan 02 04:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | it would be funny if this woke a bunch of geeks out of their slumber. but it won't | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | "We tried to help him" | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | "We called a medic for him" | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | !google charged with bleeding on uniform | Jan 02 04:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily ... | http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html | Jan 02 04:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Police beat innocent man in handcuffs, charge him with bleeding on ... | http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/henry-davis/ | Jan 02 04:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Ferguson cops beat innocent man, then charged him with bleeding ... | https://www.rt.com/usa/180680-ferguson-henry-davis-blood/ | Jan 02 04:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ferguson Man Wins Appeal After Police Charge Him For Bleeding ... | http://newsone.com/3159860/ferguson-man-charged-with-bleeding-on-cops-wins-appeal/ | Jan 02 04:24 |
| schestowitz | http://archive.is/OPlI7 | Jan 02 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Jan 02 04:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/683142946481258501 | Jan 02 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Thank you. | Jan 02 04:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android at CES 2016: What to expect from this | Jan 02 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | year's show https://t.co/rWvA7tonGF | Jan 02 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidcentral.com) | Jan 02 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg6i | Jan 02 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Android at CES 2016: What to expect from this year's show | Android Central | Jan 02 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian, please plan for Stretch | Jan 02 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SoMclAMgVu | Jan 02 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (nthykier.wordpress.com) | Jan 02 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg6j | Jan 02 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nthykier.wordpress.com | Debian, please plan for Stretch | nthykier | Jan 02 04:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/tcOzymyI6G | Jan 02 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odg6k | Jan 02 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jan 02 04:32 | |
| schestowitz | x https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00961.html | Jan 02 04:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00961.html ) | Jan 02 04:35 | |
| schestowitz | trolling debian | Jan 02 04:35 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: | Jan 02 04:37 |
| schestowitz | https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7286-sin_in_the_time_of_technology | Jan 02 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7286-sin_in_the_time_of_technology ) | Jan 02 04:37 | |
| schestowitz | Jan 02 04:37 | |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i'm on v limited bandwidth right now, but the premise is amazing 'How social media companies are creating a global morality standard through content regulations' | Jan 02 04:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | see also: TV | Jan 02 04:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | and fuckingn nipples | Jan 02 04:40 |
| cubexyz | the world is a crazy place | Jan 02 04:43 |
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| schestowitz | nippolitically-correct world | Jan 02 04:46 |
| schestowitz | nothing is as offensive as mammary glands on female's skin tissue | Jan 02 04:46 |
| schestowitz | !google gop breastfeeding stare grab | Jan 02 04:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - A Female Lawmaker Defends Public Breastfeeding. Her Male ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-hampshire-house-nipples-breastfeeding_568437bce4b0b958f65b19d6 | Jan 02 04:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 'Family values' Republican: Men should be allowed to grab ... | http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/family-values-republican-men-should-be-allowed-to-grab-breastfeeding-womens-nipples-in-public/ | Jan 02 04:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - If Women Can Breastfeed In Public, Then Men Can Grab Their Nipples | http://news.groopspeak.com/gop-lawmaker-if-women-can-breastfeed-in-public-then-men-can-grab-their-nipples/ | Jan 02 04:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Male Legislator Mocks His Colleague's Nipples In Push To Ban ... | http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/12/31/3735429/new-hampshire-breastfeeding-sexism/ | Jan 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | family values, gop style | Jan 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | like in saudi arabia | Jan 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | if not covered, can rape | Jan 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | Saudi GOParabia | Jan 02 04:48 |
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| scientes | sup schestowitz | Jan 02 07:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/tcOzymyI6G | Jan 02 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jan 02 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GatoPreto19/status/683151124887695361 | Jan 02 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GatoPreto19: @schestowitz Well, you noticed that something is strange.. - Wasn't it the way it was written in first place what caught your attention..? | Jan 02 10:01 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure I'm following... | Jan 02 10:01 |
| schestowitz | scientes: hi 0/ | Jan 02 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683188252728274944 | Jan 02 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Max Schrems' "Safe Harbout" at #32C3 talk was my favourite talk: https://t.co/bgAxtNqWWq | Jan 02 10:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Safe Harbor https://t.co/5j7eryiqpx #privacy #ccc | Jan 02 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mohs8421/status/683196546641428480 | Jan 02 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mohs8421: RT @schestowitz Victims of >fatal< #police brutality always 'tragically' turn out to be aggressive, combative, rude, emotionally unstabl ... | Jan 02 10:03 | |
| msb_ | charged with intentionally contaminating the officer's truncheon with his brain matter, a felony | Jan 02 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > “the biggest advancement Linux brought to the industry”. | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/31/ian-murdock-a-tribute-to-the-man-and-his-work-on-linux | Jan 02 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ian Murdock: a tribute to the man and his work on Linux | Technology | The Guardian | Jan 02 10:07 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > not much mainstream coverage | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://ianmurdock.com/solaris/how-package-management-changed-everything/ | Jan 02 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | How package management changed everything | Ian Murdock [ http://ur1.ca/odgti ] | Jan 02 10:07 | |
| schestowitz | Very disappointing. It looks like 4chan trolls him a lot before his last tweets where he hints at a noose. | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > "Finally I realized that I was wasting more time trying to defend my | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > contributions than it took to make them and hours of work would just be | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > deleted for no good reason." | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://mrpogson.com/2016/01/01/wikipedia-again/ | Jan 02 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Wikipedia, Again | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/odgts ] | Jan 02 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > Yep. Especially regarding ODF. | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Just like in 'news' sites... | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7387-net_neutrality_in_europe | Jan 02 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7387-net_neutrality_in_europe ) | Jan 02 10:25 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > Big crises coming up in the summer this year that need addressing | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > already. Apparently the earlier they get addressed, the more likely the | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > success. | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > http://perens.com/blog/2016/01/01/the-empathy-gap/ | Jan 02 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | The Empathy Gap, and Why Women are Treated Badly in Open Source Communities | Bruce Perens [ http://ur1.ca/odguu ] | Jan 02 10:26 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | > arm-chair psychology? | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't like that one post when I saw it. | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://perens.com/blog/2015/12/31/ian-murdock-dead/ | Jan 02 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | Ian Murdock dead | Bruce Perens | Jan 02 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2514 | Jan 02 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blather.michaelwlucas.com | randi vs xmj « blather.michaelwlucas.com | Jan 02 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > CoC is not the answer. This is about getting people to behave. | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > "What is more frightening than being merely watched, though, is being | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > controlled." | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/29/irans-blogfather-facebook-instagram-and-twitter-are-killing-the-web | Jan 02 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Iran's blogfather: Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are killing the web | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/odgvr ] | Jan 02 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | > rewrite of an earlier article on the same topic. The points are valid | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | > though. | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Because of sites such as #facebook or #twitter a lot of people who wrote articles no longer do. They give their time for free to Net giants. | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | #facebook or #twitter are both platforms of #surveillance and #censorship these days. The goal should be to get rid of both. | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> “the biggest advancement Linux brought to the industry”. | Jan 02 10:52 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:52 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/31/ian-murdock-a-tribute-to-the-man-and-his-work-on-linux | Jan 02 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ian Murdock: a tribute to the man and his work on Linux | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/odgw4 ] | Jan 02 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> not much mainstream coverage | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> older: | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://ianmurdock.com/solaris/how-package-management-changed-everything/ | Jan 02 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | How package management changed everything | Ian Murdock [ http://ur1.ca/odgti ] | Jan 02 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >> > Very disappointing. It looks like 4chan trolls him a lot before his last | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >> > tweets where he hints at a noose. | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | > I wonder how they found him so quickly. By the time the rest of us had | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | > noticed his problems, he was already dead. | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >> Can I attribute the quotes below to you by name? | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > Of course! Someone has to tell them as you do! | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > Please watch for yourself. Watch for the people with whom you celebrate. I'm | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > suspicios if Ian was mind programmed or drugged to hurt himself. Remember this is no more | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > a peoples country but the corporations', and they power goes beyond boundaries | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > with their so called globalism. Ian though no more in charge in Debian, | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > but was a symbol. Debian is harder to submit than Red Hat but with him out of | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > the way many things can happen. I hope I am wrong about this. | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Also if you're in touch with Indian activists, send them my regards for having | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > the guts to stand up for what is right! | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I'll keep in touch my friend. | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Eduardo | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Ian already had some depression of mental issues, based on people who were close to him, so I doubt he was drugged to cause erratic behaviour. | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683190138541850624 | Jan 02 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @c3infodesk @schestowitz If you own a Raspberry Pi & want to watch #32C3 talks on your TV: 1) Install OSMC 2) Install "CCC-TV" Video Add-on | Jan 02 10:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6940204 | Jan 02 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Jan 02 11:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Good thing the current president is so smart and engaged that he can watch ESPN all day long and occasionally read shit from a teleprompter." | Jan 02 11:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xT0ri1/status/683245395137433600 | Jan 02 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@xT0ri1: @schestowitz This person is a criminal and deserves death | Jan 02 11:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Wikinaut followed @tuxmachines | Jan 02 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What better way to ring in 2016 than with | Jan 02 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Deepin 15 on your desktop? | Jan 02 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IoSG9hiDfA (linuxbsdos.com) | Jan 02 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | What better way to ring in 2016 than with Deepin 15 on your desktop? | LinuxBSDos.com | Jan 02 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/weberpatent/status/683077875625517060 | Jan 02 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@weberpatent: Lots and lots of variables in this “business model“ which converts patents from assets into liabilities https://t.co/9R4fIOYGec | Jan 02 12:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bardehleIP: Killing #patents as a #business model - will it come to Europe via the #UPC? https://t.co/vklLEanwtd by @patentlyGerman | Jan 02 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/682966533203701760 | Jan 02 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentbuddy: The Bass- Spangenberg Patent Validity Attacks; A new patent monetization model; Soon to be seen in EU under UPC: https://t.co/rXodQfD4r2 | Jan 02 12:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> patentlygerman.com | The Bass-Spangenberg patent validity attacks: A new patent monetization model. Soon to be expected in Europe under the UPC ? | patentlyGerman | Jan 02 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/VlmHardy/status/683267927253061632 | Jan 02 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @treacl #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/fFXHdMCFWA | Jan 02 12:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://sumall.com/thankyou ) | Jan 02 12:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @treacl #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/fFXHdMCFWA | Jan 02 12:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Infinite Bundle from Bundle Stars has 12 Linux | Jan 02 12:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | games for next to nothing | Jan 02 12:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/57Uq9HWndS (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jan 02 12:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Infinite Bundle from Bundle Stars has 12 Linux games for next to nothing | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 12:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hyper Light Drifter planning for a same-day | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux release https://t.co/5BZ3ewKXLk | Jan 02 12:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ring in the new year by installing deepin 15 -- | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a beautiful Debian-based Linux distribution | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GUpE0AfjZk (betanews.com) | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh3c | Jan 02 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Hyper Light Drifter planning for a same-day Linux release | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 12:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ring in the new year by installing deepin 15 -- a beautiful Debian-based Linux distribution | Jan 02 12:59 | |
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| Guest38082 | I understand you have recently written up about how individual inventors are suffering at the hands of the unaccountable EPO. I think my case may provide you with some very interesting insights like denying a patent when accepting there is something patentable. I can be reached on richard.bankart@btinternet.com | Jan 02 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | First contact made... testing this E-mail address works. | Jan 02 13:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683281385583292416 | Jan 02 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: @schestowitz At least 2 investigative reporters on the case. One ex-BBC. | Jan 02 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | Good, I hope they actually don't just relay the police's "official" story | Jan 02 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chaos Reborn & Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition now DRM free for Linux on GOG | Jan 02 13:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Chaos Reborn & Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition now DRM free for Linux on GOG | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 13:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus 1.0 Released – Ship with Budgie Desktop | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10 and Support GNOME 3.18 | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eY9Qu1zSXr (linuxscoop.com) | Jan 02 13:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxscoop.com | Solus 1.0 Released - Ship with Budgie Desktop 10 and Support GNOME 3.18 - Linux Scoop | Jan 02 13:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Better Multi Indirect Draw Support Coming To | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mesa https://t.co/7joKcTkwbl (www.phoronix.com) | Jan 02 13:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Better Multi Indirect Draw Support Coming To Mesa - Phoronix | Jan 02 13:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best | Jan 02 13:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | Jan 02 13:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6DV0ydNbkz (indianexpress.com) | Jan 02 13:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | The Indian Express | Jan 02 13:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @fzeqqec4 favourited 'Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear...' | Jan 02 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683283641837969410 | Jan 02 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: @schestowitz Very unlikely. | Jan 02 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | Well, BBC... http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC | Jan 02 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights | Jan 02 13:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC - Techrights | Jan 02 13:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP & GEGL https://t.co/9vK5LXoJws | Jan 02 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GIMP & GEGL | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/7DixZzAi0F | Jan 02 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qeFNeKL895 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian Family | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LfZ8pyV829 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian Family | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/PNDT89mXhz | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683288684645466112 | Jan 02 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: How many people does the #BBC need to screw in a light bulb ? None, they like to keep things in the dark. For @schestowitz | Jan 02 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pixeldyne_sys/status/683289831439372289 | Jan 02 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz possible headline for 2016: Microsoft Patents The Hyperlink | Jan 02 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/683290524892164096 | Jan 02 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #MaireadMaguire: #Syrians admire #Assad; agree that Western/#GCC sponsored #Proxies have invaded Syria. https://t.co/6eWqeLupua | Jan 02 14:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Many Syrians are traumatized and in shock and ask ‘how did this happen to our country’? Proxy wars..." https://t.co/PNEbsSKB4H | Jan 02 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/683293775846871040 | Jan 02 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I'm more interested in who benefits from the instability being created in Europe. Its being orchestrated by someone IMO. | Jan 02 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | I think this theory is weak and weakly founded | Jan 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz | The rich can incite for #classwar (middle vs bottom) well enough; no need for them to create racial/ethnic/religious wars | Jan 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | The rich need just enough tension to keep people distracted from the rich (but not destablise their own country) | Jan 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | *destabilise | Jan 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | 2) Translation of the two French texts: | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | The Agoravox piece is written in a rather elaborate language, and a good | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | English translation is difficult, especially in view of the many | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | historical and literary references. For example, "sections spéciales" is | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | a reference to 1975 film about official repression forces under the | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | pro-nazi Vichy regime, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sp%C3%A9ciale . | Jan 02 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Section spéciale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 02 15:24 | |
| schestowitz | I just did the introduction part, and I needed much more than one hour | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | just for that bit. The sample is provided below, but it's not ready yet | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | for publication. | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 15:24 |
| MinceR | if you want to see how hard belonging to the m$ cult can disrupt the functioning of a central nervous system >> https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/microsoft-insider-on-why-microsoft-sucks-and-rocks/6907 | Jan 02 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-what.thedailywtf.com | Microsoft insider on why Microsoft sucks (and rocks) - General - What the Daily WTF? | Jan 02 15:41 | |
| MinceR | Microsoft. Not Even Once. | Jan 02 15:41 |
| schestowitz | A little old this article... | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683318102952640512 | Jan 02 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz John Olivier Last Week (April 2015) about #patent trolls and more https://t.co/oWtBzkFX8M | Jan 02 16:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Patents (HBO) - YouTube | Jan 02 16:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683319989605109764 | Jan 02 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz Curious whether J. Oliver will also have a "last week" special about "EPOexit 2016" (file under Brexit, Grexit, Plexit) | Jan 02 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | Finxit likely first | Jan 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683321104732188673 | Jan 02 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: #Battexit before Finexit https://t.co/fn2lULNFEj | Jan 02 16:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut @zoobab Finxit likely first | Jan 02 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/apuestaygratis/status/683326064681205760 | Jan 02 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@apuestaygratis: ¡Milagro! Tres goles en Old Trafford, uno de ellos de Rooney United 2 - Swansea 1 https://t.co/iXdMGkyqfY | Jan 02 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bet365_es: Gylfi Sigurðsson pone las tablas en el Old Trafford. Problemas para van Gaal y los suyos... https://t.co/xa1Kk43zxE | Jan 02 16:37 | |
| schestowitz | > Dear Dr Schestowitz , | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for your response. I think my experience would represent all | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > that is wrong with judge and jury EPO, It is clearly a complicated and | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > difficult area to get people to follow. I hope my cut and paste of | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > issues makes sense. You are more than welcome to other documents (like | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > the complaint letters which cannot be seen on line) and please don't | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > hesitate if you need further explanation. | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > I attach a summary of issues. This is a cut and paste job as evidenced | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > by the referencing. I have tried to involve my MEP Syed Kamall. He has | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > written once to the EPO. He got a response, the usual that there is | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > nothing wrong. I attach the draft I am asking him to send in response | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > as it has one or two other angles. | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you once again and I look forward to hearing your views. | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, Richard. I will look into it over the weekend and see how it relates to our coverage on the patent neutrality theme at the EPO (there's no real neutrality and it has only been getting worse). | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | more to come... | Jan 02 17:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I'm not sure it can be legally classed as food due to General construction and nutritional deficiencies. | Jan 02 17:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz However yes the average McDonald's user does appear to be generally an ab-human monglatoid. | Jan 02 17:33 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | VDI comes to the Raspberry Pi • The Register | Jan 02 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/SjR5HFaDID | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odhwo | Jan 02 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jan 02 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P Review - Android Overdose | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pjttHSggjC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odhwp | Jan 02 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P Review - Android Overdose | Tux Machines | Jan 02 18:52 | |
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| cubexyz | came across this the other day: | Jan 02 20:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/star-wars-pdp-11.jpg | Jan 02 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://torrenttunes.ml/ | Jan 02 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrenttunes.ml | TorrentTunes | Jan 02 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: is that yours? ;-) | Jan 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | you seem to have modernised by a few decades | Jan 02 20:46 |
| cubexyz | nope | Jan 02 20:46 |
| cubexyz | as much as I'd love to own it, .ml is Mali | Jan 02 20:48 |
| cubexyz | but .ml domains are free evidently | Jan 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3z0yft/why_does_google_refuse_to_provide_google_drive/ | Jan 02 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why does Google refuse to provide Google Drive desktop client for Linux? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/odi87 ] | Jan 02 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | "I was chatting to a Google employee a while back who was surprised to hear the Google Drive client he uses internally on Linux hadn't been released publicly. So (if his comment is to be believed) they have a Google Drive desktop client for Linux, just haven't released it." | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, not Mali in many cases | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | vanity domains | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | usually small islands | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | two-letter ones that make up funny nords | Jan 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | like ma.tt | Jan 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | aka photomatt.org iirc | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | there was another free one that I tried... was that .tt? | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | can't even remember now | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | .tk? | Jan 02 20:51 |
| cubexyz | ok, yes it was .tk so I grabbed cubeman.tk | Jan 02 20:51 |
| cubexyz | nothing ends in tk though | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yzz4k/cbs_sf_affiliate_provides_more_detail_on_the_loss/ | Jan 02 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | CBS SF affiliate provides more detail on the loss of Ian Murdock : linux [ http://ur1.ca/odi8o ] | Jan 02 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Did the police officers wear body cameras? Are there other witnesses accounts to back the police story? What about the cameras in the police station? What about the emergency call? It was recorded, right? | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | There are many possibilities to clear up the situation and I'm not saying the police must be at fault. But I'm hoping the family goes for an investigation. And if not friends, maybe even some lawyers from the OSC should do it. I think, this would be a last favor for the deceased. | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: when it expires it'll no longer words | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | there used to be http://openbytes.tk | Jan 02 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.tk | openbytes.tk | Jan 02 20:53 | |
| cubexyz | right, I remember you mentioning that | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | do you really want to point at a domain that might some time in the future yield an error? | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | like techrights.com? | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I pay 42 pounds every two years for echrights.com | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | and it's barely even accessed at all | Jan 02 20:53 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, seems a bit high | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | someone who claimed to own techrights.net tried to sell it to me last week | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested, obviously, these people have an ugly business | Jan 02 20:54 |
| cubexyz | right, same here except with cubeman.net :) | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | grabbed the .com to prevent hijacked, same thing eff did | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | david from wikipedia suggested that I do it when I registered the org in 2010 | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: just don't link to the tk one | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | 404 down the line/years guaranteed | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | and for what, a vanity url? | Jan 02 20:55 |
| cubexyz | well I don't own cubeman.com either | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I see it mentioned on the web sometimes | Jan 02 20:55 |
| cubexyz | I think org is better anyway | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | reddit for instance | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I try to alert you when I see it | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | .org is not what people naturally go for | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I like what germany does | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | just de | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | simplifies things | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | here we have many x.y.uk | Jan 02 20:56 |
| cubexyz | well all the important links point to cubeman.org so... | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | even for schools, academia | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | it's expensive, good for the Nominet bastards | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they overprice this VIRTUAL good | Jan 02 20:56 |
| cubexyz | take important with a grain of salt :) | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they don't even operate any name servers | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they just maintain a bloody registry | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | like those who do this with certs | Jan 02 20:56 |
| cubexyz | I think mine is $12 per year, not too bad | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | they claim to be maintaining accuracy and checking it's up to date | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | but in practice they just nag innocent holders | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes infringing their privacy | Jan 02 20:57 |
| cubexyz | I knew the guy who used to own cubeman.com | Jan 02 20:57 |
| cubexyz | we actually did some business together, but he's gone now | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I pay for boycotnovell.com, techrights.org+com 125 pounds every two years | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | that's almost $200 | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | A ripoff, but that's how my host makes more money easily, hosting is usually cheaper | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: gone meaning dead? or not in touch anymore? | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | or the domain is gone? | Jan 02 20:58 |
| cubexyz | no, just the domain is gone | Jan 02 20:59 |
| cubexyz | not sure what the guy is doing now | Jan 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz | some people make a living just scooping up domains in bulk | Jan 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz | and spamming people over domain registrations | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | not sure how successful they are at it.. | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm having my 20th anniversary soon :) | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | Jan 22nd, 1996 | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | same domain? | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | mine is just 13 years old | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | no, just the web site | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | ah | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | my first site was set up in 1998 | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | geocities | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | the domain goes back to 2001 | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1997, but memory says 1998 | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I only got on the WWW around 1995 | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | or maybe 1994 at the earliest | Jan 02 21:01 |
| cubexyz | I think my 1996 site is on archive.org :) | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | irc was the killer app for me | Jan 02 21:02 |
| cubexyz | maybe not though | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | speaking to strangers in other countries | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | archive.org - how old is it? the archive? | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | perhaps doesn't predate 1995 or thereabouts | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | except for selected sites | Jan 02 21:02 |
| cubexyz | 1995 | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | did the www (first page) 1991? | Jan 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | *start | Jan 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | i think the 25th anniversary was weeks ago | Jan 02 21:04 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember the internet before www | Jan 02 21:04 |
| cubexyz | I don't think anyone had a rubik's cube page until 1995, not too long before me | Jan 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/oss/index.html | Jan 02 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nintendo.co.jp | 任天堂製品に関連するオープンソースソフトウェアのソースコード配布ページ｜サポート情報｜Nintendo | Jan 02 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Some Nintendo products include open source software ("OSS") distributed under the terms of various open source licenses, including the GNU Library General Public License 2.0, the GNU Lesser General Public license 2.1, the Mozilla Public License Version 1.1, and the Mini-XML License (collectively, the "OSS Licenses"). This website is the OSS source code distribution page for such Nintendo products. Please select the relevant product from the | Jan 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | list below to obtain more information about OSS included in that product." | Jan 02 21:05 |
| cubexyz | I had the fore-sight to record the exact day I started the cube site | Jan 02 21:07 |
| cubexyz | here's a rough history: | Jan 02 21:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/cube-site-history.txt | Jan 02 21:08 |
| cubexyz | my original ISP is long gone | Jan 02 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I started becoming aware of http around december 1994 | Jan 02 21:10 |
| cubexyz | but cube-lovers mailing list goes all the way back to 1981 | Jan 02 21:10 |
| cubexyz | that stuff was all recorded safely | Jan 02 21:11 |
| cubexyz | there were gateways into the internet, started using those in 1992 | Jan 02 21:11 |
| cubexyz | back in 1983 I read about people using computers to calculate rubik's cube processes using what they called a PDP-20 | Jan 02 21:14 |
| cubexyz | seemed miraculous :) | Jan 02 21:15 |
| cubexyz | that was really a DECSystem-20, but they shortened that to PDP-20 | Jan 02 21:16 |
| cubexyz | those machines went back pretty far, back to 1979 I think | Jan 02 21:18 |
| cubexyz | I still have my vic-20 from 1982 and it still works | Jan 02 21:20 |
| cubexyz | I think the creation of KDE was a very significant thing | Jan 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <cubexyz> my original ISP is long gone | Jan 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jan 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Not Bell then I gather... | Jan 02 21:24 |
| cubexyz | not only is dis gone but barely any traces of it exist now | Jan 02 21:24 |
| cubexyz | dis = Durham Internet Services | Jan 02 21:25 |
| cubexyz | maybe on archive.org | Jan 02 21:25 |
| cubexyz | you might find a few traces of it's existance | Jan 02 21:25 |
| cubexyz | you can google http://admin.dis.on.ca/~cubeman and find a little info | Jan 02 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'admin.dis.on.ca' ( status 0 @ http://admin.dis.on.ca/~cubeman ) | Jan 02 21:27 | |
| cubexyz | in the earlier days we had geographical type URLs | Jan 02 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Nutzwert/status/683395535269662724 | Jan 02 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nutzwert: Twitter-Webseiten duch Spyware aufgebläht? https://t.co/555wsoKTe3 | Jan 02 22:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "If you open that tweet in a browser, you'll see the page is 900 KB big. " https://t.co/kkRJtay4Bh #twitter bloated with spyware | Jan 02 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | hey guys | Jan 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | can you recommend RSS feeds for alt news? | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | esp. environment, maybe a bit on poltics? | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I think I already have the important FOSS ones, just trying to build up on patents and other areas | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | msb_: non-pro-Russia ones would be of use | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | like RT and Moscow Times | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a small niche as it is | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | many alt news sites just link or repost each other | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | or some dodgy blogs at times | Jan 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | RT is garbage | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jan 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | reddit used to be fine but now it's garbage too | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | but it can help where US errs | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | because it covers just about any potentially anti-US story | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | inc. police violence | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | reddit is garbage | Jan 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | just as easily it can make up any potentially anti-US story | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | but I now RSS-syndicate the Linux section, then need to filter out the forum-like junk | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they just highlight some FOSS thing no other site of FOSS "planet" does | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: RT doesn't break stories as such | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | sometimes interviews US dissidents, but anyway... | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Is there any site you use a lot | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | medusa or something... is it legit? | Jan 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | i haven't read news much for a long time | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I think that one is very anti-Russia, or at least anti-Putin | Jan 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | i had some entries in my feed reader but haven't looked at them in years | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I want to fix my feeds for the coming year | Jan 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | and most of those aren't that great either | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Rianne and I decided not to touch drones and CIA crap | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | because it's way too off topic | Jan 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | i should write a new feed reader | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | no need | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | FOSS code is out there | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | you can integrate some | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | like we did in Wiki of techrights before | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | magpie RSS for instance | Jan 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | afaict none of them do it correctly | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | handy scriipts and tools for grabbing RSS feeds and output as HTML | Jan 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | they all just stuff the items into an sql database and expect you to delete old items | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can browse github, Slated (used to be here) wrote one | Jan 02 23:24 |
| MinceR | if you don't, they slow to a crawl and gobble memory | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | But you still need a good raw source | Jan 02 23:24 |
| MinceR | i have plans for a filesystem-based one | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | someone is now sending me Spanish translations for techrights again, first time in 4 years... | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | (helps in EPO coverage, for Spanish readers in Europe) | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there's a FS based around p2p now | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | seen that in reddit today, two such things even | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | it's very popular there right now, a torrent based storage thing (not sure I recall if FS) | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | the Web is shite | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | it used to have blogs | Jan 02 23:26 |
| MinceR | np, it is | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | now a lot of bloggers moved to twitter and FB | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | and this is where they post meaningless drivel | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | one has to do so too in order to 'keep up' | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Now twitter two increases surveillance and censorship | Jan 02 23:26 |
| MinceR | w3c, tbl and mozilla have all dropped the ball | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | and there are not many ACTIVE sites that do real news | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Just the usual corporate news stuff and twitter users who link to these | Jan 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | mozilla has a blog, maybe I can add that... | Jan 02 23:27 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: "<schestowitz> msb_: non-pro-Russia ones would be of use...like RT and Moscow Times" Where are you getting these from? I don't link to Moscow Times. | Jan 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say you did | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | but Putin has a propagnda network going | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | several inter-connected sites | Jan 02 23:28 |
| msb_ | Why did you address your post to me? | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | the US has those two | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | AP in the mix | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | and AFP from France | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Reuters... | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the whole alternative business | Jan 02 23:28 |
| msb_ | NYT, CNN, Fox... | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | truthdig, counterpunch, reason etc. | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Viacom, News Corp, CBS... | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | The real owners | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | f*ck em | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I need something to help me avoid these | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | where possible.. | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | and be in English, still.. | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | lastest from Mozilla is this: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/17/firefox-users-can-now-watch-netflix-html5-video-on-windows/ | Jan 02 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox Users Can Now Watch Netflix HTML5 Video on Windows | The Mozilla Blog [ http://ur1.ca/odink ] | Jan 02 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | yay, DRM | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Windows-only | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | go mozilla... | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Netflix.. | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.mozilla.org/ | Jan 02 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | The Mozilla Blog | News, notes and ramblings from the Mozilla project | Jan 02 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | they seem to be using wordpress | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | phoronix is iffy | Jan 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | and it scrapes the bottom of the barrel for stories these days (for 2 years now) | Jan 02 23:32 |
| msb_ | I believe you'll find that truthdig and counterpunch agree with RT. If you think that RT is distorting any news, would you please give me details? | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | every small patch that relates to a driver becomes "news" | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | and phoronix does a lot of self-promotion, which is annoying | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | "my garage" posts, "gimme money", new PTS version, best of [MONTH] in Phoronix... | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I need to toss that aside | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe will watch techdirt more closely instead, they're still quite goods | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | *good | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | [23:32] <msb_> I believe you'll find that truthdig and counterpunch agree with RT. If you think that RT is distorting any news, would you please give me details? | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | They don't always agree | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | and they don't cross-post, either | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | let's see if Pilger's blog is active, still | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks in twitter is too noisy | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://feeds.feedburner.com/johnpilger | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | he's not very active | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | last post in november | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | and just over a dozen in the whole year | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | lol, this rss feed is insane | Jan 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | 369 items in it | Jan 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | John needs to trim it, otherwise each polling for update is massive | Jan 02 23:36 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: You don't want "pro-Russia" sites. What do you think Russia has done wrong that should be reported on? | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested in Russia, it's too "politics" | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I need "real" news sites | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | The Real News Network is video only, almost... | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Same for Democracy Now, I subscribed for articles, but they're very few | Jan 02 23:37 |
| MinceR | journalism is dead | Jan 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe that in a world with 7bn people, many of whom speak English, it's so hard to find news | Jan 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | A lot is still stenography like AP-Gallup-Pew-Reuters, establishment think tanks as 'reporters' | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seems so | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | even in English | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google shelton adelson bought newspaper | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Why Did Sheldon Adelson Buy Nevada's Largest Newspaper? | http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/why-did-sheldon-adelson-buy-nevadas-largest-newspaper/421035/ | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Sheldon Adelson Bought the Wrong Newspaper - The New York ... | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/dealbook/sheldon-adelson-bought-the-wrong-newspaper.html | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Having Owned Up to Buying Newspaper, Adelsons Go Silent - The ... | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/media/sheldon-adelson-casino-magnate-is-buyer-of-las-vegas-review-journal.html | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Yes, Sheldon Adelson Bought The Las Vegas Review ... - Fortune | http://fortune.com/2015/12/16/sheldon-adelson-bought-the-las-vegas-review-tribune/ | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google shelton adelson israel hayom propaganda | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Think About It: Sheldon Adelson and democracy - Opinion ... | http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Think-About-It-Sheldon-Adelson-and-democracy-381982 | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Real Ruler of Israel: Sheldon Adelson - Counterpunch | http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/13/the-real-ruler-of-israel-sheldon-adelson/ | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Everything You Need to Know About the Israel Hayom (Or anti ... | http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.626053 | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Israel Hayom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Hayom | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google conservatives telegraph proopaganda | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Telegraph is the Torygraph again with this Conservative propaganda | http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/apr/01/telegraph-is-the-torygraph-again-with-this-conservative-propaganda | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - How the Conservatives orchestrated the letter from business leaders ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/how-the-conservatives-orchestrate-letters-from-business-leaders | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cameron accused of using public funds for Tory spin - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10762922/Cameron-accused-of-using-public-funds-for-Tory-spin.html | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Conservative Party - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/ | Jan 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Same for Koch and Gates in the US and abroad | Jan 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Koch mostly in the US | Jan 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | CBS bought CNET | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | also ZDNet | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | so a lot of tech 'news' is garbage | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | GigaOM is dead, sort of trying to come back to life, but it took money from Microsoft and it shows ("loves Linux" etc.) | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | QuinStreet bought many Linux sites | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | JupiterMedia is kaput because of it | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Datamation, Linux Today, Linux Planet... | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They nearly killed LinuxDevices | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | We managed to pressure them to give the old articles to Linux Gizmos, which is a great site | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | DesktopLinux.com is permanently dead, except in the Internet Archive | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | WTF is going on? | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | More Internet.... but less news | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | More FB, Twitter, other crap | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | and fewer RSS feeds, too | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | opensource.com is full of Red Hat's propaganda | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | so it's not a 'real' news site | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | just something to keep people around.... until Red Hat posts their ads that look like articles | Jan 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Softpedia has been quite good | Jan 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | When they added a new writer dedicated just to Linux and then Marius joined to help him | Jan 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Where do people now get their news, if anyway... | Jan 02 23:44 |
| cubexyz | scientists... | Jan 02 23:49 |
| cubexyz | EPA, Nasa, http://www.sciencenews.org | Jan 02 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencenews.org | Science News | Daily news articles, blogs and biweekly magazine covering all areas of science | Jan 02 23:49 | |
| cubexyz | mass media isn't that good | Jan 02 23:50 |
| cubexyz | as you said before schestowitz... grass roots blogs | Jan 02 23:51 |
| cubexyz | no one is paid :) | Jan 02 23:52 |
| cubexyz | no reason to distort things | Jan 02 23:52 |
| cubexyz | stallman, perens, etc | Jan 02 23:53 |
| cubexyz | just don't even bother with ABC, CBS, NBC | Jan 02 23:54 |
| cubexyz | there's a word for that: infotainment | Jan 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2015/11/21/inhuman-monsters-islamic-state-vs-saudi-arabia/ | Jan 02 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wemeantwell.com | Inhuman Monsters: Islamic State vs Saudi Arabia | Ghosts of Tom Joad - Peter Van Buren | Jan 02 23:56 | |
| cubexyz | you want real news? OK: | Jan 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: RMS has no blog, it's more like a twitter feed | Jan 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | self-hosted by him, not articles | Jan 02 23:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F | Jan 02 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pmel.noaa.gov | What is Ocean Acidification? [ http://ur1.ca/odips ] | Jan 02 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | it's not a news site though | Jan 02 23:56 |
| cubexyz | I thought http://www.stallman.org was his blog | Jan 02 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page | Jan 02 23:56 | |
| cubexyz | well check the NOAA anyway :) | Jan 02 23:58 |
| cubexyz | kind of important | Jan 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I will, hang on... | Jan 02 23:59 |
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| oiaohm | msb__ the trinity fusser has always had warnings on it just like the Linux testing project. They can both let loss hell. | Dec 27 05:31 |
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| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/12/26/0224202 | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | > == | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votebank | Dec 27 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Votebank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 27 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | > not just in the US... | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/681079343850717184 | Dec 27 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz plagiarism? | Dec 27 11:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2438312/highs-and-lows-of-tech-in-20154 | Dec 27 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Highs and lows of tech in 2015- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/od0th ] | Dec 27 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | got some doc from EPO | Dec 27 13:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm back. | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | The document was made available to EPO staff, and management has | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | certainly seen it. | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I also had it, with a couple of other things, but I must confess that it | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | didn't get all my due attention. | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Let me sleep on it! | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Good night, | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | I fear that: | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 1. it would eliminate the privilege | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 2. distract from bigger scandals | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 3. won't change a think after the AC sessions anyway | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | But maybe my instincts here are incorrect. | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | "See the last 20 pages of the attached. This impacts existing, former, and future staff." | Dec 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JuneTranmer/status/681096743426113536 | Dec 27 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JuneTranmer: Oh #York - it could be so much worse... https://t.co/YDoiheHzyW | Dec 27 14:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: More than 100,000 flee El Niño flooding in Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay https://t.co/IARVwK3X0C xmas brings #globalwarming alert | Dec 27 14:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Got hold of: The corporate statutes of Europatis, a confirmation letter by a bank that the starting capital of €4000 had been duly deposited, and a shareholders' resolution naming Jacques Michel as the general manager. The shareholder structure may have evolved since, but I won't throw money just to update that information. | Dec 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz | EPO scandal, the latest of many | Dec 27 15:24 |
| cubexyz | oh it's #globalwarming for sure | Dec 27 16:35 |
| cubexyz | never in my life have I seen a december with no snow at all | Dec 27 16:35 |
| cubexyz | in Canada? years ago I would have said that's impossible | Dec 27 16:36 |
| cubexyz | unless we get snow in the last few days of 2015 | Dec 27 16:36 |
| msb__ | It's the methane from all those moose farts. | Dec 27 17:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/27/us-northkorea-computers-idUSKBN0UA0G920151227 | Dec 27 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com | Paranoid: North Korea's computer operating system mirrors its political one | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/od11u ] | Dec 27 17:20 | |
| MinceR | a sneak peek into our future | Dec 27 17:20 |
| MinceR | vista10 is the closest in feature parity | Dec 27 17:20 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 27 17:21 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiYGaL2aCOc | Dec 27 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | MST3K Canada Song - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/od11w ] | Dec 27 17:23 | |
| schestowitz | [16:35] <cubexyz> never in my life have I seen a december with no snow at all | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Floods here | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | and warm | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | over 10 degrees | Dec 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | it's like fall/autumn | Dec 27 17:24 |
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| cubexyz | can't find any historical data for snowfall by year | Dec 27 17:39 |
| cubexyz | I have good temperature data from 2003 to 2010 after which I stopped recording | Dec 27 17:42 |
| cubexyz | I know when it snowed but not how much | Dec 27 17:43 |
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| msb__ | I think ksysguard 4.6 is in the kde4 base package. | Dec 27 19:25 |
| msb__ | I just looked it up in what's left of the suse 11.4 repo. | Dec 27 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: rpm -qf $(which ksysguard) | Dec 27 19:25 |
| cubexyz | and trinity ksysguard is also broken :-/ | Dec 27 19:26 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: which OS are you running? | Dec 27 19:27 |
| cubexyz | I run a bunch of different ones | Dec 27 19:27 |
| msb__ | which one is ksysguard broken on? | Dec 27 19:28 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard seems kind of broken in q4os | Dec 27 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS? | Dec 27 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | Does it have ksysguard package? | Dec 27 19:28 |
| msb__ | but q4os uses trinity by default. | Dec 27 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ksysguard | Dec 27 19:29 |
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| cubexyz | this is q4os based on wheezy | Dec 27 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ksysguard | Dec 27 19:30 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Any questions? :) | Dec 27 19:30 |
| cubexyz | you're not listening | Dec 27 19:30 |
| cubexyz | I said ksysguard-trinity | Dec 27 19:30 |
| cubexyz | I don't know, maybe I can use both | Dec 27 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But does KDE4's KSysGuard work? | Dec 27 19:31 |
| cubexyz | don't know yet | Dec 27 19:31 |
| cubexyz | ok, it's loading | Dec 27 19:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe ksysguard-trinity is obsolete | Dec 27 19:32 |
| msb__ | package kdebase4-workspace-4.6.0-10.15.1.i586 | Dec 27 19:32 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: thanks, your command works | Dec 27 19:33 |
| cubexyz | ok, the result was.... ksysuard for KDE 4.8.4 works | Dec 27 19:33 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard-trinity does not work | Dec 27 19:34 |
| cubexyz | seems broken in KDE 3.5.10 also | Dec 27 19:34 |
| cubexyz | KDE 3.4.2 it did work | Dec 27 19:34 |
| cubexyz | I guess ksysguard-trinity wasn't important enough to fix | Dec 27 19:34 |
| msb__ | I'm running ksysguard 4.6 in kde 3.5.10 | Dec 27 19:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, that doesn't surprise me | Dec 27 19:35 |
| msb__ | If ksysguard in trinity is broken I'm sure the trinity folks would want to know about it. That's a very important program. | Dec 27 19:36 |
| msb__ | What version of TDE does q4os use? | Dec 27 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What do you think about xfce4-taskmanager? | Dec 27 19:36 |
| cubexyz | I only have xfce4 on openbsd, and I don't think I've actually tried xfce4-taskmanager | Dec 27 19:37 |
| msb__ | ksysguard 4.6 also has a panel of temperature graphs (which I set up) | Dec 27 19:38 |
| cubexyz | what's the best way to tell which trinity I have? | Dec 27 19:38 |
| msb__ | the cpu, mem, net graphs are very nice. You can set the scales, colors, speed, etc. | Dec 27 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: aptitude show trinity-desktop, I suppose | Dec 27 19:39 |
| msb__ | the process table sometimes shows processes that are no longer actually existing. If I care, I restart it. | Dec 27 19:39 |
| msb__ | problem with q4os is who do you talk to? nobody in its irc channel. | Dec 27 19:40 |
| cubexyz | me I guess :) | Dec 27 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | * aptitude show tdebase-trinity | Dec 27 19:40 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, no command called aptitude | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | apt show ? | Dec 27 19:41 |
| cubexyz | no command called apt | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: aptitude is just so awesome, I don't know why Debian folk dropped it. | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: apt-cache show %) | Dec 27 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | yeah, apt is a jessie+ thing | Dec 27 19:42 |
| cubexyz | ok... this is fun... no package called tdebase-trinity | Dec 27 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | apt-cache search trinity | Dec 27 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Wheezy_.28Debian_7.x.29 | Dec 27 19:42 |
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| cubexyz | ok... it was in my notes :-P | Dec 27 19:44 |
| cubexyz | kde trinity 3.5.13.2 | Dec 27 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Try updating. | Dec 27 19:44 |
| msb__ | Yeah, what could possibly go wrong. | Dec 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | ok, why not :) | Dec 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | has trinity updated since 3.5.13.2? | Dec 27 19:45 |
| msb__ | Thermonuclear flash reported from Canada!!! | Dec 27 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | > TDE R14.0.2 | Dec 27 19:45 |
| cubexyz | why would they maintain two ksysguard's? | Dec 27 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Who maintains two ksysguard's? | Dec 27 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | Debian maintains one, Q4OS maintains another. All in all two ksysguard's :). | Dec 27 19:47 |
| cubexyz | well there is two......right | Dec 27 19:47 |
| cubexyz | and in fact I have at least three versions | Dec 27 19:47 |
| msb__ | q4os uses the one from trinity, but apparently an old trinity | Dec 27 19:48 |
| cubexyz | it's ok for now | Dec 27 19:48 |
| cubexyz | don't really use ksysguard anyways | Dec 27 19:49 |
| cubexyz | at some point ksysguard got broken, probably because something it depends on got changed | Dec 27 19:50 |
| msb__ | The cpu and memory graphs are extremely useful. Tells you what your system is doing. | Dec 27 19:51 |
| cubexyz | something far worse happened at HP and to computing in general :-/ | Dec 27 19:51 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I mind just write my own | Dec 27 19:52 |
| cubexyz | s/mind/might/ | Dec 27 19:53 |
| msb__ | I worked at HP once. Great lunchroom, idiot managers. | Dec 27 19:53 |
| cubexyz | well I think you would like HP even less now | Dec 27 19:53 |
| msb__ | The bastards wanted big bucks to talk to me on the phone when their shitty inkjet printer stopped working. | Dec 27 19:55 |
| cubexyz | what I find very interesting is the old timers I talk to still rave about PDP-11 | Dec 27 19:55 |
| cubexyz | yes, HP isn't what it used to be | Dec 27 19:56 |
| msb__ | I want a LINC! | Dec 27 19:56 |
| msb__ | The printer is designed so that if one of dozens of tiny ink-holes gets clogged up, its tiny heater burns out. There's a sensor system that tests all the heaters, and if one of them is burned out, it makes you buy a whole new $30 ink cartridge. | Dec 27 19:57 |
| msb__ | It's a total criminal racket! | Dec 27 19:58 |
| cubexyz | use the older tech | Dec 27 19:58 |
| cubexyz | e.g. HP laserjet 5 | Dec 27 19:58 |
| cubexyz | there's tons of surplus carts for it on ebay | Dec 27 19:59 |
| cubexyz | the toner is pretty chemically stable | Dec 27 19:59 |
| msb__ | I paid $350 for that printer, back when that was real money. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| msb__ | Then I got a $75 laser printer that said on the box it worked with Linux, and it did. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| cubexyz | I hear epson isn't too bad | Dec 27 20:03 |
| cubexyz | about a year ago I cleared out an office which had a HP laserjet 5 | Dec 27 20:04 |
| cubexyz | fixed it... put a new toner cart in | Dec 27 20:04 |
| cubexyz | works great | Dec 27 20:04 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If you try to write a process monitor as good as ksysguard 4.6 it will be a huge project, if you want the moving graphs. | Dec 27 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Psst, just take the code from ksysguard. | Dec 27 20:08 |
| msb__ | Better to run a Linux that has active maintenance. | Dec 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/681204916770181120 | Dec 27 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz what DTM are you using? | Dec 27 20:08 | |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Like… openSUSE 11.4? | Dec 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | openbox+xbinfkeys+fed for wallpaper (that's it) | Dec 27 20:08 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Dec 27 20:08 |
| cubexyz | only for older systems guys :) | Dec 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | *xbindkeys+feh | Dec 27 20:09 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't bother on newer ones | Dec 27 20:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If you can find suse 11.4 then I can tell you how to do stuff. | Dec 27 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: You have an interesting perspective on what's actively maintained %). | Dec 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | msb__: cubexyz still not seen any damage caused by trinity BTW, hopefully will never see anything, but might blame any file I perceive as mysteriously missing as a possible outcome of trinity, like back in the early days of ext4, which it silently killed some small files | Dec 27 20:10 |
| msb__ | You only need that if stuff doesn't work. All my stuff does work. | Dec 27 20:10 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I have to keep up my BSD skills too | Dec 27 20:11 |
| cubexyz | just in case | Dec 27 20:11 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Ha! I still use ext3. | Dec 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | why not? | Dec 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | though IIRC maintenance of it will be deprecated | Dec 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I read some things on phoronix about it, but given old red hat with 10-year support cycle I guess ext3 will be kept going by someone | Dec 27 20:12 |
| schestowitz | like shishkin and reiserfs | Dec 27 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | ext3 driver is already gone | Dec 27 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | ext4 driver can work with ext3 | Dec 27 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | apparently it can go on forever, as nobody's gonna drop ext4 driver :) | Dec 27 20:13 |
| cubexyz | guys, I still patch icheck from the 1970s :) | Dec 27 20:13 |
| cubexyz | there's no death in software | Dec 27 20:13 |
| schestowitz | depends on dependencies | Dec 27 20:14 |
| cubexyz | I mean ext2 still works, it didn't magically stop working | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | if you want kde3 you need qt3 | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and for this you might need old libc or whatever | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and down it goes to the architecture, which may in turn be deprecated | Dec 27 20:14 |
| cubexyz | sure, but I have a separate machine for that | Dec 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | so some hypohtetical future board would not be able to run kde3 | Dec 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | compiler lapse | Dec 27 20:15 |
| cubexyz | so I recap my old motherboard | Dec 27 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It is not possible to run GNOME 2 on modern systems anymore. | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I have a question | Dec 27 20:16 |
| cubexyz | don't worry, I'll have my new machines as well :) | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | my old PC wouldn't boot | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | not even POST anymore | Dec 27 20:16 |
| cubexyz | is this P4? | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I disconnected, separately, just about anything | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | it's a 2008 PC, newer than P4 | Dec 27 20:16 |
| cubexyz | ok | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm not even sure which component is the issue | Dec 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | doesn't seem like a fan issue, they run fast and strong | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | a xmas project of mine was to revive this machine | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | well it could need new caps | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: why not? | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | bios re-flashed, stuff like that | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | caps? | Dec 27 20:17 |
| cubexyz | capacitors | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | as in those diodes? | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | They do look worn out | Dec 27 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Something concerning glib and also upower. | Dec 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | like they may have partially popped, there's a line of about 4 of them | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | are these near the CPU? | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | And can they be manually replaced without soldering, if they're at all the issue | Dec 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | i think you can add panels to the kde3 one too | Dec 27 20:18 |
| cubexyz | sometimes the caps are next to the cpu socket(s) | Dec 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | ksysguard, that is | Dec 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | kde3 was, to my memory, technically better for work than kde4 | Dec 27 20:19 |
| cubexyz | it wouldn't be ksysguard if I rewrite it :) | Dec 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I last used kde3 in late 2012 | Dec 27 20:19 |
| cubexyz | it would be motif-sysguard | Dec 27 20:19 |
| cubexyz | but htop is probably good enough | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I assumed kde plasma5/framework5 was inevitable and would improve over time | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | after 8 months I no longer believe that | Dec 27 20:20 |
| cubexyz | maybe the BSD guys fixed ksysguard | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | there aren't even many plasmoids for it | Dec 27 20:20 |
| cubexyz | I haven't looked at that yet | Dec 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine from Uni, John tapsell, was ksysguard maintainer for a while. He worked for Nokia last I checked... | Dec 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | So I guess now that Microsoft rendered Nokia dead he moved on | Dec 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: any point to fixing the caps? | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | (if they're the problem at all) | Dec 27 20:22 |
| cubexyz | just replace them | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | And what behaviour should I expect if they're bust | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | the PC just RARELY reached post | Dec 27 20:22 |
| cubexyz | discolouration, bad smell | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | it shuts down around POST time and now it rarely reached POST | Dec 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the tools for soldering | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and a repair shop would charge as much as a new tablet | Dec 27 20:23 |
| cubexyz | you don't have to do it yourself, just find a good tech that will give you a quote | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll try that | Dec 27 20:23 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the UK has one :) | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | issue is, the hard drive is partly bust | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | so it's investing in a barely working PC | Dec 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: what would be the symptoms of cap issue? | Dec 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | it used to shut down on its own once a week | Dec 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | and more frequently over time | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | in summer it overheats | Dec 27 20:25 |
| cubexyz | exactly what you described... shutdown after a POST | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | and forced into shutdown when cpu meters say 120 degrees exactly | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | it no longer reaches post | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes a red light is lit as soon as I hit power | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | indicating some circular error | Dec 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | but very immediately | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | at the very moment I hit power | Dec 27 20:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, more practical suggestion... find a motherboard that doesn't overheat that has tantalum capacitors | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | days ago I managed to just get to boot menu briefly | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | only twice | Dec 27 20:26 |
| cubexyz | those can last >20 years | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | they would cost more than a new PC | Dec 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | inc. installation etc. | Dec 27 20:27 |
| cubexyz | some stuff really is junk | Dec 27 20:27 |
| schestowitz | like this PC after all that work | Dec 27 20:27 |
| schestowitz | worked 24/7 for 7+ years | Dec 27 20:27 |
| schestowitz | the GPU went bust | Dec 27 20:28 |
| schestowitz | removed from the board to allow it to boot | Dec 27 20:28 |
| schestowitz | HDD has bad sectors... | Dec 27 20:28 |
| cubexyz | I see a ton of broken PCs but the ones that lasted the longest were pre-P4 machines | Dec 27 20:28 |
| schestowitz | this machine is already set up for some of my work | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | and buying anew means config work | Dec 27 20:29 |
| cubexyz | heat kills | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | but I already wasted many hours trying to get it back to life | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm still not convinced that capacitors are the issue | Dec 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | A month ago I managed to get it to boot into KDE desktop | Dec 27 20:30 |
| schestowitz | then I suppose it overheated and died | Dec 27 20:30 |
| schestowitz | (again) | Dec 27 20:30 |
| cubexyz | see, my Amiga 500 still works, it just doesn't get hot | Dec 27 20:30 |
| cubexyz | it was made in 1987 :) | Dec 27 20:30 |
| msb__ | I don't think it's worthwhile trying to troubleshoot and fix a motherboard. | Dec 27 20:30 |
| schestowitz | it's educational | Dec 27 20:31 |
| msb__ | They only cost $100-200 -- about as much as a good cpu chip. | Dec 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | the only upside of it | Dec 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | well look at PDP-1 or LINC or IBM 1130 | Dec 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | guys spent years on it | Dec 27 20:31 |
| cubexyz | so it depends | Dec 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | dismantling the components and seeing the effects (as long as I don't get electrocuted) | Dec 27 20:31 |
| msb__ | You can troubleshoot those with an oscilloscope IF you have the schematics. | Dec 27 20:32 |
| cubexyz | Sun microsystem motherboards had a stabilizer bar that kept the motherboard from flexing too much | Dec 27 20:33 |
| cubexyz | so there are definitely things you can do to make stuff last longer | Dec 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I doubt even a refurbisher would know how to fix this box | Dec 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | it where I wrote like 15,000 techrights articles | Dec 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | the joy/curiosity trying to keep it going or fix it is gone by now | Dec 27 20:34 |
| msb__ | A computer has 5 components -- CPU, mobo, case/PS, disk, display. They all cost about the same -- $100-200. | Dec 27 20:35 |
| msb__ | They are all replaceable. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| msb__ | Oh, I forgot memory, that's 6. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| msb__ | All your data is on the old disk, which you can copy onto the new one. | Dec 27 20:37 |
| cubexyz | some people in the UK use: http://www.odyssey.co.uk | Dec 27 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.odyssey.co.uk | Odyssey Technologies, IT Repairs: Laptop, EPOS, Tape Drive | Dec 27 20:38 | |
| cubexyz | free assessment | Dec 27 20:38 |
| msb__ | If you have a memory problem, you can determine which stick is bad. | Dec 27 20:38 |
| msb__ | Other than that, just buy a new component. | Dec 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | just went downstairs to test it again | Dec 27 20:40 |
| msb__ | Laptops are a whole other aggravation. | Dec 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | it's a winfast motherboard | Dec 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | both blue and red lights on at the same time | Dec 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll give you another example... | Dec 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | I know my Amiga 500 fairly well. | Dec 27 20:41 |
| cubexyz | so if it did break I'm pretty confident I could fix it | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | so it depends on the device | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | it has lots of socketed chips, it's easy to get at | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | more modern stuff is more difficult | Dec 27 20:42 |
| cubexyz | also the chips are spaced fairly far apart | Dec 27 20:43 |
| cubexyz | millions were made, it's not hard to find parts | Dec 27 20:43 |
| cubexyz | odyssey has a pretty good reputation | Dec 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/213448-31-boot-shows-beeps-signal-monitor | Dec 27 20:49 |
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| cubexyz | also clean the memory sockets :) | Dec 27 20:50 |
| cubexyz | they can get crapped up | Dec 27 20:50 |
| cubexyz | some motherboards seem to attract dust and dirt | Dec 27 20:51 |
| cubexyz | also the suggestion of removing cards is a good one | Dec 27 20:52 |
| msb__ | Interchangeable parts is a very important concept. I think it was first used on rifles, where people had to file down a new piece of metal for each repair. Now they just take a new one out of a box of them. | Dec 27 20:56 |
| msb__ | I used to fix minicomputers that had discrete parts -- transistors. | Dec 27 20:56 |
| msb__ | Then they started using chips, but if I had schematics I could analyze those with a delayed-sweep oscilloscope. | Dec 27 20:57 |
| msb__ | Now a $500 desktop runs at microwave frequencies. | Dec 27 20:58 |
| msb__ | You'd need a $5000 sampling scope to analyze them, if you had schematics, which you don't, | Dec 27 20:58 |
| msb__ | That's all to fix a mobo that costs $100. | Dec 27 20:58 |
| cubexyz | but you could have a computer that runs a lot slower like 10 mhz | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | See, originally the replaceable part was a transistor. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | Then it was an IC -- a chip. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | Now it is a motherboard. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| msb__ | When you can't see inside a thing, you have to replace it. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| cubexyz | old PDP's had flip-chips | Dec 27 21:00 |
| cubexyz | they were still integrated circuits I think | Dec 27 21:01 |
| msb__ | Yes, you can have a 10MHz clock computer, but you can't display videos on it, nor run complex software like X. | Dec 27 21:01 |
| msb__ | Flip-chips were little plugin boards, about 3x5 inches, that plugged into a wire-wrapped back panel. | Dec 27 21:02 |
| msb__ | They first had transistors, then ICs. | Dec 27 21:02 |
| cubexyz | uh, IBM RTs ran at 10 mhz and they ran X | Dec 27 21:02 |
| cubexyz | just saying | Dec 27 21:02 |
| cubexyz | X has been around a long time | Dec 27 21:03 |
| cubexyz | Amigas definitely ran video for TV stations back in the day | Dec 27 21:07 |
| msb__ | They probably _switched_ the video. I doubt that they processed it. | Dec 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | OK, wasted an hour reading about it, will make further attempts http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/tutorial-no-post-power-on-self-test.113137/ :/ | Dec 27 21:07 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: "No POST" means the mobo is fucked, buy a new one. Period. | Dec 27 21:08 |
| cubexyz | the Amiga could directly output to NTSC :) | Dec 27 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I'd say that's video | Dec 27 21:08 |
| cubexyz | the amiga's video chips can genlock, and match the NTSC video signal | Dec 27 21:11 |
| msb__ | OK, playing an old .avi, X takes 6% of my dual-core cpu, which I think runs at something like 2.8GHz. | Dec 27 21:11 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Try playing an x.264 video on it., | Dec 27 21:12 |
| cubexyz | I didn't say anything about avi, I merely said video | Dec 27 21:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Do check the power voltages before tossing the mobo. | Dec 27 21:13 |
| cubexyz | some TV stations used amigas, it's well documented | Dec 27 21:14 |
| cubexyz | the beginning of affordable CGI in fact | Dec 27 21:14 |
| msb__ | For today's needs, $500 will buy a dual-core capable of playing x265s if you balance it out carefully . | Dec 27 21:21 |
| msb__ | $1000 will buy an 8-core screamer that can encode x265s and edit videos. | Dec 27 21:21 |
| msb__ | Both of those use replaceable parts, so that if something dies, the most it will cost you is $100 or $200 respectively. And you don't need schematics or a sampling scope. | Dec 27 21:24 |
| msb__ | A $35 multimeter comes in handy, though. | Dec 27 21:28 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Actually, no POST might indicate a bad cpu. You could try running that cpu chip in a good computer that it's compatible with. Or try a known good cpu in yours. | Dec 27 21:38 |
| msb__ | This is like trying to fix a jet plane using chipped-flint tools. | Dec 27 21:39 |
| cubexyz | no, the suggestion is a good one | Dec 27 21:40 |
| cubexyz | but it's more likely the motherboard is failing | Dec 27 21:40 |
| msb__ | Module-swapping is shameful, but sometimes it's the only way. | Dec 27 21:40 |
| cubexyz | I'd say figure out what caused the failure first | Dec 27 21:40 |
| msb__ | When you solder caps on a mobo, do you use a low-voltage iron with a grounded tip, and connect the ground to the mobo ground? | Dec 27 21:41 |
| cubexyz | if it's heat damage then don't use it period | Dec 27 21:41 |
| msb__ | ksysguard 4 with temperature tracks is very good for preventing heat damage. | Dec 27 21:42 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I'd say use a temperature controlled soldering iron | Dec 27 21:42 |
| cubexyz | small tip | Dec 27 21:42 |
| msb__ | That too. | Dec 27 21:42 |
| cubexyz | if the board is dead it's a worthy learning excerise | Dec 27 21:43 |
| msb__ | But it should have a stepdown transformer and be grounded. | Dec 27 21:43 |
| msb__ | If the board stays dead, you can't really learn much. | Dec 27 21:44 |
| cubexyz | wear safety glasses too | Dec 27 21:47 |
| msb__ | I spent $30 on a 3rd party oversize cpu cooler -- big fan and widely spaced fins so the lint/dust can be blown out of it. Makes a big difference in the cpu temperature. | Dec 27 21:48 |
| msb__ | Why safety glasses? | Dec 27 21:48 |
| cubexyz | eye protection | Dec 27 21:49 |
| msb__ | I guess the flux could spatter even with a low-temp pencil iron. | Dec 27 21:49 |
| msb__ | Oh, I thought it was for ass protection. | Dec 27 21:50 |
| cubexyz | ever work with polymers? | Dec 27 21:50 |
| cubexyz | you would wear eye protection for that, soldering too | Dec 27 21:50 |
| cubexyz | even regular glasses would help a lot | Dec 27 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: just reattempted many things | Dec 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | no joy, not even POST | Dec 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Did manage to bork the lights at the front, though | Dec 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a string of 8 wired separate, could figure out the order in which put them back on the 8 pins | Dec 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | or maybe I fried the lights | Dec 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | msb__ this PC did reach post last week, once or twice | Dec 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | now it's back to now doing anything except running the fans and lights.... well, not fans now, the lights no longer show up, but the power unit and all seems ok | Dec 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | not likely to be PSU or CPU | Dec 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | When the former is bad, it'll never work, the second also | Dec 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | it would be cheaper to just get some reasonably old PC and toss the HDD in it, despite the bad sectors and all | Dec 27 22:01 |
| msb__ | The PSU puts out about 5 different voltages. Buy a voltmeter and check them all. | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | when I come to think of it, the problem existed for years | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | it just got worse recently, and dead bad last month | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | years ago the machine would overheat | Dec 27 22:04 |
| msb__ | If the disk is going bad, copy the data to a new one and don't use the old one. | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | but the fans worked and cleaning it would not help | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it wouldn't boot | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | red light would show | Dec 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | taking it off the main (power) and then back it would help it get going again | Dec 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | so the problem is still the same, but now it shuts down more often and it no longer reaches POST or starts doing anything | Dec 27 22:05 |
| msb__ | Is your data backed up? | Dec 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | no need, the data there I don't need much | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I migrated away 2 years ago | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | the only thing I still get out of this machine is some experimentation and use by guests | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | and music | Dec 27 22:06 |
| msb__ | Huh? | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | not the data is the issue | Dec 27 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to understand what the problem was all these years | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't seem to be the fans | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | but it definitely overheated | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if this could be something else | Dec 27 22:07 |
| msb__ | Music is data. | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | streaming | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | youtube | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | for this one | Dec 27 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't usually stream, but this machine was ok for it | Dec 27 22:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe I should just declare it dead, I wasted a lot of time in vain also trying to bring back to life another machine, which died | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | even its power supply eventually went busted after I experimented with it | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It's a bit depressing | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | losing machines that used to work perfectly fine | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and there's no easy cure for them | Dec 27 22:10 |
| schestowitz | as it's not even clear which replacement 'part' they need | Dec 27 22:10 |
| msb__ | These computers contain billions of transistors. You would need a year in a lab with an electron microscope to figure out what's wrong with it. | Dec 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm tempted to become one of those people who just buy a "new one" when something old breaks | Dec 27 22:11 |
| schestowitz | it would reduce all this frustration and waste of time | Dec 27 22:12 |
| msb__ | First test the PSU voltages. Then swap whatever components you can. If that doesn't work, buy a new one. | Dec 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=refurbished+pc&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC1.A0.H0.Xrefurbished+pc+linux.TRS0&_nkw=refurbished+pc+linux&_sacat=0 | Dec 27 22:15 |
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| msb__ | On the new one, install an oversize cpu cooler and continuously measure the cpu temperatures with ksysguard. | Dec 27 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Well, I could run the VGA from a raspi I gyess | Dec 27 22:15 |
| schestowitz | *guess | Dec 27 22:15 |
| schestowitz | might be better for power user | Dec 27 22:15 |
| cubexyz | the problem is if you replace the motherboard sometimes you are forced to replace almost everything else | Dec 27 22:17 |
| cubexyz | the memory, the cpu, even video card sometimes | Dec 27 22:17 |
| msb__ | It requires compatibility research to avoid that. | Dec 27 22:18 |
| cubexyz | what are they up to now, DDR4? | Dec 27 22:18 |
| schestowitz | buy an alternative refurb feels like admission of loss | Dec 27 22:19 |
| cubexyz | 72-pin, 100-pin, 144, 168, 172, 184, 200, etc | Dec 27 22:19 |
| schestowitz | A bit disappointed this machine lasted WELL for maybe 5 years, or 4 in mind condition | Dec 27 22:19 |
| schestowitz | though some people say they're built to last 5 years these days | Dec 27 22:19 |
| cubexyz | I think DDR is 288-pin | Dec 27 22:19 |
| msb__ | refurb: disk and fans have moving parts that wear out. Also could have been heat-stressed. | Dec 27 22:20 |
| cubexyz | we don't really have good part interchangeably since things change so often | Dec 27 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I bought a refurb in 2011 and 2 years later it already had temperature issues that caused shutdown | Dec 27 22:21 |
| schestowitz | a year later it died | Dec 27 22:21 |
| cubexyz | I can say this much for certain... | Dec 27 22:21 |
| cubexyz | the coppermine P3's lasted a lot longer than 5 years | Dec 27 22:21 |
| msb__ | $500 for 5 years is a cheap cup of coffee/day. | Dec 27 22:21 |
| cubexyz | that really doesn't excuse bad engineering | Dec 27 22:22 |
| cubexyz | some stuff lasted a lot longer than 5 years | Dec 27 22:22 |
| msb__ | Buy one that's 2-4 times faster than the old one and your guests can play better videos. | Dec 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | no VGA http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-New-in-Original-Packaging-Great-for-HTPC-use-/271041348000?hash=item3f1b52c1a0:m:mpdb0ohArJ7-F2bJXy2esow | Dec 27 22:23 |
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| msb__ | ASUS mobos advertise mil-spec caps. The fannage is up to you. | Dec 27 22:23 |
| cubexyz | would you be happy with a lawnmower that lasted 5 years? | Dec 27 22:24 |
| msb__ | Yeah, if it had 10 billion transistors. | Dec 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if these are any good for Android tabelets http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-HDMI-Male-to-VGA-Female-Adapter-Converter-Cable-for-Tablet-Phone-Projector-/351217653599?hash=item51c634175f:g:f8UAAMXQeW5Ta2Gh | Dec 27 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Some tablets now cost, anew, 50 quid only | Dec 27 22:25 |
| cubexyz | it's not about the number of transistors, it's about how well it runs without overheating | Dec 27 22:26 |
| cubexyz | if it overheats and breaks, that's bad engineering | Dec 27 22:27 |
| cubexyz | good for the manufacturer, bad for the customer | Dec 27 22:27 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the manufacturers would just love it if nothing lasted over 5 years | Dec 27 22:27 |
| msb__ | It's up to the customer to choose good heatsink, adequate fans, and monitor the temperatures. | Dec 27 22:28 |
| cubexyz | how about laptops? | Dec 27 22:28 |
| cubexyz | they are just plain badly designed | Dec 27 22:29 |
| msb__ | I don't use them. | Dec 27 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Seems like it's very device specific, need mini hdmi port http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/computer-accessories/power-and-cables/computing-cables-and-adaptors/iwantit-imdhdd13-mini-displayport-adapter-21359616-pdt.html?gclid=CPWX1JaM_ckCFaKE2wodiX4Kbw&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~~~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&s_kwcid=AL!3391!3!75233736499!!!g!110895001700!&ef_id=UoU9-AAABC8fArwM:20151227223218:s | Dec 27 22:32 |
| cubexyz | I got an HP one that's not bad... 2004 era | Dec 27 22:32 |
| msb__ | I'm getting spam from Fry's for a $100 10" laptop. | Dec 27 22:33 |
| cubexyz | it still works well | Dec 27 22:33 |
| cubexyz | what do you get for $100? | Dec 27 22:33 |
| cubexyz | you can get the pi-top kit for $99 | Dec 27 22:37 |
| cubexyz | needs a raspberry pi though | Dec 27 22:37 |
| cubexyz | delivery by april 2016 | Dec 27 22:37 |
| msb__ | http://www.frys.com/product/8604720?site=116premail121415 | Dec 27 22:37 |
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| msb__ | Wow Ematic! Better than Emetic. | Dec 27 22:38 |
| msb__ | The windows 8.1 is the emetic part. | Dec 27 22:39 |
| cubexyz | haha | Dec 27 22:40 |
| cubexyz | "a medicine or other substance that causes vomiting" | Dec 27 22:40 |
| msb__ | One year warranty, so 27 cents/day. | Dec 27 22:41 |
| msb__ | Cats don't last forever, and they're a lot more expensive. | Dec 27 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/681407291682328576 | Dec 28 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: Best way to switch from Windows is to slowly substitute apps for free/cloud alternatives & learn to use Virtualbox. https://t.co/1ypAhqsri9 | Dec 28 09:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: WINE 1.7 review - Alcoholics Anonymous https://t.co/5IeJ9SgTWz #wine | Dec 28 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6932041 | Dec 28 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 48 hours now without #kde and so far I'm far better off with a very minimalist desktop (zero icons). Mostly missing #klipper and a taskbar | Dec 28 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | "TDE’s klipper is OK. I run it on E16. The 3.5 branch also gives me Palm sync." | Dec 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/681416127315111936 | Dec 28 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz thanks for the info. I was wondering why I couldn't reach 'em. | Dec 28 10:08 | |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, is there a clipboard thing for motif? | Dec 28 21:25 |
| cubexyz | now I remember... cutview | Dec 28 21:29 |
| cubexyz | all it really did was display the X-window past buffer | Dec 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | msb__: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yiq59/eli5_if_people_dont_like_systemd_very_much_why/ | Dec 28 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | ELI5: If people don't like systemd very much, why are there no systemd alternatives? And why are distributions adopting it? : linux | Dec 28 21:31 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Motif Window Manager did not include a clipboard tool by default. But it did not take long for people to add on. | Dec 28 21:31 |
| cubexyz | don't think anyone has written one lately :) | Dec 28 21:33 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Thanks! | Dec 28 21:34 |
| cubexyz | there are alternatives | Dec 28 21:35 |
| cubexyz | all I see is yammering and no info | Dec 28 21:36 |
| msb__ | OMG! Here is Paul Craig Roberts on RT! He is so great! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Dec 28 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Dec 28 21:37 | |
| cubexyz | you can hilight stuff from cutview and it automatically appears in klipper | Dec 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681589579107930112 | Dec 28 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz : the folks over @libreoffice could use a bug report :-) | Dec 28 21:40 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I don't think the old motif stuff can handle utf-8? | Dec 28 21:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MathFaithWorks/status/681589780380020736 | Dec 28 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MathFaithWorks: @schestowitz If anyone files a patent document online, please tweet. | Dec 28 21:41 | |
| cubexyz | none of the stuff I wrote did at least | Dec 28 21:41 |
| msb__ | At the bottom of each of PCR's articles he's shown holding two cats! http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/images/photos/withkitties_150_120.jpg | Dec 28 21:42 |
| schestowitz | (OT: the tux machines bot will be back maybe in a week, VPS issue, Toby is away) | Dec 28 21:42 |
| cubexyz | maybe it's a font problem | Dec 28 21:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 true old motif stuff cannot handle utf-8 why utf-8 only comes into main stay in 1992. | Dec 28 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | UTF-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 28 21:43 | |
| cubexyz | guess I'll stick with klipper for now | Dec 28 21:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: any motif library prior to 2.1 does not support unicode. Yes codepage hell. | Dec 28 21:46 |
| cubexyz | I'm using 2.3.3 so maybe it is possible | Dec 28 21:48 |
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| oiaohm | 2.3.3 support unicode/utf-8 | Dec 28 21:48 |
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| cubexyz | I can't put chinese characters into xrolodex | Dec 28 21:51 |
| cubexyz | it's pretty old code though... looks like 1996 | Dec 28 21:53 |
| cubexyz | kaddressbook I think would be the KDE equivalent | Dec 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681596631364538369 | Dec 28 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice that would be awesome if Libreoffice could support markdown slides. | Dec 28 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | I still use S5, HTML+CSS+JS | Dec 28 22:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681597289937408002 | Dec 28 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @ch_s @libreoffice I had a wikislides project using S5 back in the days. React.js code looks too complicated and too big. | Dec 28 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681597317477187585 | Dec 28 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten : markdown support for Impress : cool idea. I dream of an orgmode support in Writer. #Darkside | Dec 28 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | I was never 'impressed' by WYSIWYG for presentations.... too rigid, requires big programs to make sense of | Dec 28 22:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681598137455259648 | Dec 28 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten with GIT integration, so that we can get proper diffs and history. | Dec 28 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | use latex for that, output as PS/PDF | Dec 28 22:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681598414933635072 https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/681598559003619328 | Dec 28 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @zoobab @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten : nope. You need to work with LibreOffice's own change tracking system here. | Dec 28 22:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz @zoobab @libreoffice @thooorsten : I just don't get the use of Latex. Beautiful looking docs though. | Dec 28 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681599603150577666 | Dec 28 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @ch_s @schestowitz @libreoffice @thooorsten Simplest presentation is one word per slide. Or bullet points. Should fit in a simple text file. | Dec 28 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dr_alk68/status/681602418954612737 | Dec 28 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dr_alk68: @AngeloTofalo https://t.co/QO5OFLmq0Z | Dec 28 22:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Recently Bought a Windows Computer? Microsoft Probably Has Your Encryption Key https://t.co/9dcHiwFUfx yes https://t.co/rPoEuNPs10 | Dec 28 22:34 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681613311268503553 | Dec 28 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: important stuff #EPO #UPC #swpats https://t.co/y0tIE4QZiG | Dec 28 23:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody Today's Chaos Computer Club (CCC) Talk: EU Software and Business Method Patents: Call for Action https://t.co/qsqfxjzXty | Dec 28 23:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/681669819461156868 | Dec 29 07:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz mirror https://t.co/qI12zg1XiU | Dec 29 07:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/681692700639268865 | Dec 29 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: cc:@schestowitz https://t.co/PyoXARQnBf | Dec 29 07:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@subTee: A normal User can easily elevate rights on C:\Windows\Tracing. icacls /grant... Yet Another Default AppLocker Bypass https://t.co/3u3iIuGhRj | Dec 29 07:37 | |
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| msb__ | How many of us used to live in this sad world? http://www.turboyourpc.com/ | Dec 29 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.turboyourpc.com | Turbo Your Computer - A NEW COMPUTER WITHOUT THE PRICE TAG | Dec 29 12:38 | |
| msb__ | But now systemd is doing the same thing to Linux. What is an up-to-date non-systemd distro with lots of helpful users that we can recommend to people? | Dec 29 12:41 |
| schestowitz | my system, even without kde, is laggy | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | can take 10 seconds sometimes to open a simple programs | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | but I don't know what's causing this utterly bad behaviour | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | i rmemeber some system freezes in Ubuntu around 2006-2007 | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | on particular hardware | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | like 5-second pauses | Dec 29 12:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/yuhong2/status/681818136631328768 https://twitter.com/MartinStoermer/status/675921152087228416 | Dec 29 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yuhong2: @FOSSpatents @MartinStoermer @schestowitz There is https://t.co/CiOgwtv7Pb which lists the EPO ones only. | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MartinStoermer: If you’re not already following the excellent coverage of the shenanigans at the EPO via @FOSSpatents then you probably should. | Dec 29 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/braxtonbashin/status/681818970538831872 | Dec 29 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@braxtonbashin: https://t.co/qSL21Nyqao looking for a new search site on your phone? https://t.co/sx6mXGtlaI | Dec 29 13:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Judge Not Impressed With Government's Warrantless 921-Page 'Peek' Into A Suspect's Cellphone https://t.co/Q9Ew2KehPY warrants a mirage now | Dec 29 13:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.soundcrownd.com | Soundcrownd-Mass music search n surf | Dec 29 13:01 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: which hardware and software are you running? Have you gotten rid of systemd? Have you looked at the end of /var/log/messages after one of these delays to see if it reports any errors? | Dec 29 13:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have checked dmesg for io error message and checked swap memory usage. Linux does not perform that great at times once systems starts running int swap. | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| MinceR | sounds like a good reason not to fill up the memory with crap like systemd, kdbus, gnome3 and kde5 | Dec 29 13:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/681832617407332352 | Dec 29 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz technical troll. | Dec 29 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | technical as such | Dec 29 13:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/681834115335884800 | Dec 29 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: Call it a dangerous power grab that will facilitate fascism. We've seen this sort of thing play out before. https://t.co/hX5YDrKsO7 | Dec 29 13:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When will media stop calling anti #encryption "anti terror" as if encryption itself (or privacy) is terror? https://t.co/STRXwMO5s9 | Dec 29 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah :( | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | msb__: can't get rid of systemd on systemd systems | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | it's an infestation like no other | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | top process | Dec 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz | the whole distros get rebuilt around it | Dec 29 13:50 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: I know, but have you tried one like q4os? | Dec 29 13:53 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Dec 29 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681919152530026496 | Dec 29 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: quite right, too... https://t.co/84UMdBds8r | Dec 29 19:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Got some heart-warming messages ahead of year's end, thanking myself and my wife for #tuxmachines (gratis) and #techrights (pro-libre). | Dec 29 19:27 | |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Are you intentionally using Wheezy-based Q4OS? | Dec 29 19:46 |
| cubexyz | sure | Dec 29 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: huh | Dec 29 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why? | Dec 29 19:47 |
| cubexyz | why not? It's got trinity built in | Dec 29 19:47 |
| cubexyz | figured I try it out | Dec 29 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS 1.4.4 is based on Debian 8 | Dec 29 19:49 |
| cubexyz | but that's with systemd is it not? | Dec 29 19:49 |
| cubexyz | don't want systemd | Dec 29 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't know yet, installing it. | Dec 29 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | probably will be easy to Devuan it | Dec 29 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681923237794676736 | Dec 29 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: excellent: #freesw has won, essentially - the big battles are now around surveillance, censorship, trade deals, etc. https://t.co/pnkzmiGep8 | Dec 29 19:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Following example of people like @glynmoody (somewhat of a role model) I intend to diverge further away from #freesw to cover other topics | Dec 29 19:52 | |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, kooka got orphaned years ago | Dec 29 19:54 |
| cubexyz | one of the main reasons why I wanted a trinity distro | Dec 29 19:54 |
| cubexyz | using q4os seemed the easiest way | Dec 29 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What a strange reason. | Dec 29 19:54 |
| cubexyz | not that strange :) | Dec 29 19:55 |
| cubexyz | I do a lot of scanning and liked kooka | Dec 29 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: First of all, you could just install trinity-kooka without complete Trinity. | Dec 29 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | Secondly, there's simple-scan | Dec 29 19:56 |
| cubexyz | what about all the libraries that trinity-kooka would need? | Dec 29 19:56 |
| cubexyz | doesn't seem that straight-forward | Dec 29 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Will be installed as well, no? | Dec 29 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Q4OS is not as much a Trinity distro but a Windows XP imitation. | Dec 29 19:56 |
| cubexyz | well nothing is perfect | Dec 29 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I didn't try it because it looked like XP :) | Dec 29 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Plain Debian/Devuan + Trinity == PROFIT | Dec 29 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | Plan Debian/Devuan + MATE + kooka from Trinity repos == PROFIT | Dec 29 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | oh gosh, Q4OS is ugly | Dec 29 19:58 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, you have given me an idea though | Dec 29 19:58 |
| cubexyz | assuming it _is_ easy to install just trinity-kooka | Dec 29 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you don't mind Qt3 non-integration anywhere. | Dec 29 19:59 |
| cubexyz | on one machine I have to use xscanimage which is OK but not great | Dec 29 19:59 |
| cubexyz | no, that's fine because I usually only use part of TDE/KDE | Dec 29 20:00 |
| *XRevan86 is hating what he sees. | Dec 29 20:00 | |
| XRevan86 | freaking pseudo-installers, badly transparent panel… | Dec 29 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | horrible fonts | Dec 29 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | that's a terrible default | Dec 29 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | analog clock on a panel | Dec 29 20:02 |
| cubexyz | right, I didn't like that either | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | I switched to icewm + TDE bits | Dec 29 20:04 |
| cubexyz | I only run it on one machine | Dec 29 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I think Q4OS stuff just get in the way on your machine. | Dec 29 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | gets* | Dec 29 20:05 |
| cubexyz | adding icewm is easier enough | Dec 29 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, let's see… systemd-sysv | Dec 29 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | yep, systemd | Dec 29 20:05 |
| *XRevan86 enters packages.devuan.org | Dec 29 20:06 | |
| cubexyz | I like parts of KDE like kolourpaint, kalgebra, kalzium, kooka... | Dec 29 20:06 |
| cubexyz | as you say, I could probably have just used the parts I liked | Dec 29 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yeah | Dec 29 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I recommend you to install Debian from scratch. | Dec 29 20:07 |
| cubexyz | I think I did try to compile trinity-kooka on vector, but it was a disaster | Dec 29 20:07 |
| cubexyz | hence q4os... | Dec 29 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | and then devuan-baseconf if systemd is a problem | Dec 29 20:08 |
| cubexyz | libkscan and a bunch of other libraries are needed | Dec 29 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Which are all available in Trinity repo, yeah. | Dec 29 20:08 |
| cubexyz | in the old days I was quite able to hack up my own little scanner program | Dec 29 20:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/scantest3.c | Dec 29 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And in new days? | Dec 29 20:11 |
| cubexyz | but that doesn't work now :-/ | Dec 29 20:11 |
| cubexyz | well I guess I have to learn a bunch of new stuff | Dec 29 20:11 |
| cubexyz | I think HP stopped using SCL | Dec 29 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Like SANE? | Dec 29 20:12 |
| cubexyz | HP changed the protocol, I would have to learn rts8891 | Dec 29 20:13 |
| cubexyz | which isn't documented... probably the SANE people tried to reverse engineer it | Dec 29 20:13 |
| cubexyz | hardly an improvement | Dec 29 20:14 |
| cubexyz | around 2001 or so everything seemed to change | Dec 29 20:15 |
| cubexyz | in the old firmware I could specify any resolution | Dec 29 20:17 |
| cubexyz | now I'm limited to 75, 150, 300, 600, etc | Dec 29 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | Interesting, even with Devuan repo I can't remove systemd-shim | Dec 29 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | network-manager requires libpam-systemd | Dec 29 20:42 |
| MinceR | get rid of network-manager, it's crap | Dec 29 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's the most functional networking GUI there is. | Dec 29 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | okay, that was technically incorrect | Dec 29 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | NM provides the most functional networking GUI there is. | Dec 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call it "functional" | Dec 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | it looks pretty, but it's fucked up | Dec 29 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 802.11, ethernet, usb modems, VPN… | Dec 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | i think it was NM on my server that decided it's sufficient to ask for a DHCP lease on boot, set the address and forget about DHCP from then on | Dec 29 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | > NM on my server | Dec 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | even if the cable was unplugged and replugged, even if the DHCP server was replaced with one that used a different address range | Dec 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | well yeah, debian | Dec 29 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've never seen any bugs of such. | Dec 29 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: NM is an overkill on servers. | Dec 29 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | Just use networkd^W dhcpcd | Dec 29 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | At least it wasn't hard to set Devuan stuff up on Q4OS, even though I had to keep the shim. | Dec 29 20:49 |
| MinceR | tell debian that, i'm sure they listen to people other than redhat people | Dec 29 20:49 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Dec 29 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I honestly have no idea what's in Debian by default. | Dec 29 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | except for Debian's ifconfig, of course | Dec 29 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | (net-tools) | Dec 29 20:51 |
| MinceR | also, NM always offered to set up VPN connections and always failed at it | Dec 29 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: VPN connections work for me. | Dec 29 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | I press the button in nm-applet, and viola, VPN connect established. | Dec 29 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | They have Nautilus installed by default in Q4OS o_0. | Dec 29 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | why on Earth… | Dec 29 20:52 |
| cubexyz | your q4os must be different from mine | Dec 29 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe it's a fresh decision. | Dec 29 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | "hey, let's offer users Nautilus" | Dec 29 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Dec 29 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | gnome-packagekit wants gnome-settings-daemon, which wants nautilus-data which recommends nautilus | Dec 29 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | I've seen an update notifier in tray, apparently it opens gnome-packagekit if one presses it. | Dec 29 20:57 |
| cubexyz | I never got network sharing of scanners working | Dec 29 20:57 |
| cubexyz | kind of a dumb idea anyway | Dec 29 20:59 |
| cubexyz | I want the scanner to be within arm's reach :) | Dec 29 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yeah, scanner being reachable makes sense :D | Dec 29 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/brianfagioli/status/681961481404084225 | Dec 29 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brianfagioli: @schestowitz @BetaNews thanks for sharing, Dr. Roy! ☺️ | Dec 29 22:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6934915 | Dec 29 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2016 will definitely be more productive than this year because we travelled a lot after we had moved houses and had severe issues with #bt | Dec 29 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Ah…" | Dec 29 22:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6934931 | Dec 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | "Lumps are not good. Hope those turn out to not be malignant." | Dec 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | My grandpa's was. He died a year ago. | Dec 29 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Dec 29 22:44 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I remembered something one of my systems started stalling after a kernel update due to the ondemard governor option being overly savage. Set cpu to Conservative by problem. | Dec 29 22:50 |
| scientes | is there any good place to find astronomy math? | Dec 29 23:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blankebelg/status/681971873966637057 | Dec 29 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blankebelg: Law states they have rights...typical politic treatment. ..world wide. Sad https://t.co/YNTXxiPlse | Dec 29 23:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hospital Refuses Pregnancy-Related Care Again Because of Religious Directives https://t.co/bytrSb6JNs #aclu #us | Dec 29 23:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OneTimePad7/status/681983773257367553 | Dec 29 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OneTimePad7: @schestowitz patents make me facepalm myself almost every time when I read about one... X-o | Dec 29 23:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/681983860104630273 | Dec 29 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: & nothing more heard since.. https://t.co/phCbWVc1w7 | Dec 29 23:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Debian Founder Ian Murdock’s Tweets Are Raising Eyebrows https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA #debian | Dec 29 23:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/blankebelg/status/681984188023713792 | Dec 29 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@blankebelg: Great :( thnx for info ...readed it yesterday in software info but now its 4 real sadly :'( ty 2 share ur bisdom :) https://t.co/ydVToLew7V | Dec 29 23:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Frozen Android Phones Give Up All Your Data Secrets https://t.co/CTvr98TW0J #android #linux #security | Dec 29 23:45 | |
| cubexyz | the ian murdock twitter account seems to have vanished | Dec 29 23:52 |
| MinceR | good thing i saved the page then | Dec 29 23:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to remember what ksysv was part of | Dec 30 00:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you don't mean KDE SysV-Init Editor, | Dec 30 00:05 |
| cubexyz | I think I do actually | Dec 30 00:05 |
| cubexyz | ksysv-trinity | Dec 30 00:08 |
| cubexyz | it's got a new configuration wizard | Dec 30 00:09 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ksysv-trinity-2015.png | Dec 30 00:13 |
| cubexyz | pretty much the same as the old ksysv | Dec 30 00:13 |
| cubexyz | at least we have a good successor to KDE 3.5.10 | Dec 30 00:14 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Dec 30 00:41 | |
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| msb__ | Wow, what a weird program. I have that in kde3.5.10 | Dec 30 01:01 |
| msb__ | Wouldn't dare use it though! | Dec 30 01:01 |
| msb__ | I hope just configuring it didn't do anything. I wasn't root, so I guess not. | Dec 30 01:03 |
| msb__ | Did you ever get a ksysguard working? | Dec 30 01:03 |
| cubexyz | I did | Dec 30 01:03 |
| msb__ | which one? | Dec 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | all of them, or at least all of the ones I have | Dec 30 01:04 |
| msb__ | What fixed it? | Dec 30 01:04 |
| msb__ | them | Dec 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard needs ksysguardd to load to work | Dec 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | vector linux had a problem with ksysguard... a library was missing | Dec 30 01:05 |
| cubexyz | sorry, ksysguardd | Dec 30 01:05 |
| cubexyz | libsensors.so.3 was missing | Dec 30 01:06 |
| msb__ | must be for the temperature sensors | Dec 30 01:07 |
| cubexyz | yes, but ksysguard shouldn't have borked up like that | Dec 30 01:07 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't even use the sensor utility by default | Dec 30 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I'll have to dig into the source sometime and see what they did | Dec 30 01:14 |
| msb__ | ksysguardd is in etc/init.d, but it doesn't seem to be started by any level | Dec 30 01:15 |
| cubexyz | ksysguard will try to load ksysguardd | Dec 30 01:15 |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Dec 30 08:19 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Dec 30 08:19 | |
| msb__ | Wow, I just dreamed that I was Jack Kane, the immortal biblical vampire from _He Never Died_, but I was coming in from the Rim on an ancient Martian wood and iron starship to attack the inner Solar System like in _Expanse_. Woo, that's Evil! | Dec 30 08:19 |
| msb__ | I can't wait for s01e05 of | Dec 30 08:20 |
| msb__ | Expanse to come out in a week. E04 was super! | Dec 30 08:21 |
| msb__ | Someone I recommended _He Never Died_ didn | Dec 30 08:24 |
| msb__ | did | Dec 30 08:25 |
| msb__ | didn't like it, said they should have taken a rocket launcher to him, but he's actually a good guy, or at least evolving that way. It's hard when you're cursed by God. | Dec 30 08:26 |
| msb__ | I'm not really evil, that was just my right-brain combining two movies I've seen. I would never dream I was Bill Gates, the Bent Eldil of this planet. | Dec 30 08:36 |
| oiaohm | http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/12/18/trying-to-prevent-browser-fingerprinting-the-odds-are-against-you/ so true | Dec 30 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Trying to prevent browser fingerprinting? The odds are against you | LinuxBSDos.com | Dec 30 08:37 | |
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| oiaohm | found a motherboard chipset what the recently. No floppy or floppy pluged in correct onboard ethernet port works. Floppy pluged in incorrectly( you know the one led light stuck on ) onboard ethernet port dead as door nail. | Dec 30 08:47 |
| msb__ | Every night when I clean the horrible fluoride residue out of my distiller with a paper towel, I think of the last scene in _Time Bandits_, where the kid's idiot parents are reaching for the smoking black rock in their microwave, and he shouts to them, "Don't touch it! It's pure Evil!" So both of them reach for it. I get a little fluoride on my fingers, but I wash it right off. | Dec 30 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Arrive in a Few Days https://t.co/S1nzXC2gnd | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5m7 | Dec 30 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to Arrive in a Few Days | Dec 30 09:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting Started With the Raspberry Pi | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6kiooPTShW (fossforce.com) | Dec 30 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od5m8 | Dec 30 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Getting Started With the Raspberry Pi | FOSS Force | Dec 30 09:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf/status/682138400510455809 | Dec 30 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Asher_Wolf: @octal https://t.co/oWSUrUh0ZB | Dec 30 09:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Update: "Ian Murdock’s Twitter account has been taken down. There has also been no update on his blog." https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA | Dec 30 09:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikisteff/status/682141256567406592 | Dec 30 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikisteff: @glynmoody @schestowitz Keep us in the loop if there is any more news, Glyn. #manythanks | Dec 30 10:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141644653752320 | Dec 30 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Wikisteff @schestowitz will do... | Dec 30 10:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | My instinct (have followed this closely since 1 hour after the threat): lawyers advised to remove the accusations in bulk | Dec 30 10:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682136919564763136 | Dec 30 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: weird stuff going on here... https://t.co/Cp1YarN2PQ | Dec 30 10:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nicferrier/status/682141781560012800 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141895754170368 | Dec 30 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nicferrier: @schestowitz @glynmoody @docker thank goodness. It sounds awful. | Dec 30 10:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: any news on what's happening with Ian Murdoch, @docker? /@nicferrier @schestowitz | Dec 30 10:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://theintercept.com/2015/12/28/recently-bought-a-windows-computer-microsoft-probably-has-your-encryption-key/ | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | Recently Bought a Windows Computer? Microsoft Probably Has Your Encryption Key [ http://ur1.ca/od2bh ] | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > - | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft may have your encryption key; here’s how to take it back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/od5sl ] | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > Wrong way, Peter. The right way is to install GNU/Linux or one of the BSDs. | Dec 30 10:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/682142759600439296 | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: Concerning! https://t.co/AP1f2WWWy0 | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laserfox/status/682143097099304960 | Dec 30 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laserfox: @glynmoody @docker @nicferrier @schestowitz hope he is OK.. | Dec 30 10:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Stratoscale favourited 'Linux Containers – Benefits and Market Trends https://t.co/BhlwOnAIZz' | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stratoscale.com | NO TITLE | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Largest Computer Makers when Smartphones and | Dec 30 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tablets are Included https://t.co/AXwSvnJWzZ | Dec 30 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communities-dominate.blogs.com) | Dec 30 10:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Largest Computer Makers when Smartphones and Tablets are Included | Dec 30 10:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/682147759059763200 | Dec 30 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz China could help its transition to a tech economy by offering Internet Army censorship as a service | Dec 30 10:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682141895754170368 | Dec 30 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines APT 1.1.8 to 1.1.10 – going “faster” | Dec 30 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n9BEampfyV (juliank.wordpress.com) | Dec 30 10:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-juliank.wordpress.com | APT 1.1.8 to 1.1.10 – going “faster” | Blog of Julian Andres Klode | Dec 30 10:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bluboo Xfire 2, World’s First Triple-SIM | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Smartphone Priced At $69 And Bluboo | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | XWatch To Release Early 2016 | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3InE7uSWmQ (www.ibtimes.com) | Dec 30 10:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Bluboo Xfire 2, World’s First Triple-SIM Android Smartphone Priced At $69 And Bluboo XWatch To Release Early 2016 | Dec 30 10:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "it is with pleasure that I see that Mageia is | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | increasingly used." https://t.co/58semwtoKo | Dec 30 10:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr) | Dec 30 10:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr | Come help mageia with us | from a kde POV | Dec 30 10:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/scruffy_crunch/status/682152725509836801 | Dec 30 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@scruffy_crunch: @schestowitz @All4Privacy I think he does, but he nor his handlers care. #surveillanceplanet | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682152812319518720 | Dec 30 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Facebook #MustDie And #Tor if it will continue to be hiddenly #facebook's partner too. https://t.co/40IkH6lCzj | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Drop #facebook to save the #internet https://t.co/Q8FPqqAPzI | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/682153749645639680 | Dec 30 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: For a #Debian founder…probably buying an 'iPhone 6'(~Sept.24, 2015) was sign of losing it—either sanity or #security https://t.co/e7DA5rYEIK | Dec 30 10:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Update: "Ian Murdock’s Twitter account has been taken down. There has also been no update on his blog." https://t.co/HumC2EtKcA | Dec 30 11:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think it's the right time to bash him over choice of phone | Dec 30 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 10 Games Released on Linux in 2015 | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DW3XlTZw9i (boilingsteam.com) | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Top 10 Games Released on Linux in 2015 – Boiling Steam | Dec 30 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "RISC-V processors can currently be used to run | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and NetBSD." | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RISC-V processors can currently be used to run | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and NetBSD. | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mSjLTFOXpX (uberstudent.com) | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uberstudent.com | UberStudent Forums • View topic - UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Arrive in a Few Days https://t.co/THkQIthfCE | Dec 30 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to Arrive in a Few Days | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Founder in Trouble, Ubuntu's Wrong Turn | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OFxW9tDla8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60q | Dec 30 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Founder in Trouble, Ubuntu's Wrong Turn | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/nde6C9JdQq | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 12:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od60r | Dec 30 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Dec 30 12:33 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/682159428670455808 | Dec 30 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz no, I do not think so, b/c certificates are valid for 90 days max. This will make many refrain from using LE. | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682193444840800256 | Dec 30 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: "The [tory] government did not believe in this climate-change stuff and was fully on the industry’s side." https://t.co/IejJEYNtft | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #uk #Floods , #climate , and neglect: a reflection https://t.co/7de6F4DcWg too busy screwing up countries overseas | Dec 30 17:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/nysqJYheZT | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od6si | Dec 30 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Dec 30 17:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/c0a0S0cPQL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 17:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od6sm | Dec 30 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UberStudent 4.3 Release Announcement! | Tux Machines | Dec 30 17:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Alpha Flavors to...' | Dec 30 18:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | [13:32] <oiaohm> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/microsoft-may-have-your-encryption-key-heres-how-to-take-it-back/ I just noticed this. The instructions are bogus once something is uploaded to a cloud you are no longer in control if it gets deleted or not. | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | mentioned this earlier | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | BS from MS Peter | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | reponse to micah Lee/EFF | Dec 30 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | [13:18] <oiaohm> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-10-At-200M really number of installs does not answer the questions we need. Like how many were upgrades of existing and how many in fact got tricked. | Dec 30 18:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Phoronix citing WinBeta | Dec 30 18:27 |
| r_schestowitz | new low... | Dec 30 18:27 |
| MinceR | moronix | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | sometimes | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | see another thing he posted today | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | about some russian linux bashing page | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | not even new | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | 7 years old | Dec 30 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I think larabel is just low on material | Dec 30 18:28 |
| cubexyz | ha, gkrellm... now I understand the name | Dec 30 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | > russian linux bashing page | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | What does "bashing" mean in this context? | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | ah, I see | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | stoplinux.org.ru then | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz_log: Right? | Dec 30 18:35 |
| cubexyz | stop linux and use what instead? | Dec 30 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Good and noble Microsoft Windows of course. | Dec 30 18:36 |
| cubexyz | is this anti-linux guy a BSD person or...? | Dec 30 18:36 |
| cubexyz | bah | Dec 30 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No. | Dec 30 18:36 |
| cubexyz | use an operating system were you have no control and no source code, got it | Dec 30 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the idea. | Dec 30 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | This resource is much less interesting now, though. | Dec 30 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | don't know what they're doing now | Dec 30 18:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "I'm thinking a patch this size wouldn't | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | qualify for copyright even if an Oracle Lawyer | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | claimed it." https://t.co/Lk9NsDhBb4 | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Dec 30 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od754 | Dec 30 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix noisy sparse warning in LIBCFS_ALLOC_PRE() | Dec 30 18:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows 10 https://t.co/tkdZiPoB4e | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od755 | Dec 30 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft Windows 10 | Dec 30 18:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Fu0tEebjVs (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od756 | Dec 30 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 18:45 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It wasn't commercial or anything. Just one dumb guy. | Dec 30 18:45 |
| cubexyz | I figured | Dec 30 18:46 |
| r_schestowitz | XRevan86: no, different site | Dec 30 18:48 |
| r_schestowitz | see latest stories in phoronix | Dec 30 18:48 |
| r_schestowitz | linux "sucks" thing | Dec 30 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | Phoronix has a new design, hmm | Dec 30 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: Can't that the story but I think I know what site you're talking about. | Dec 30 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | * Can't find that story | Dec 30 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | my mind what in other place | Dec 30 18:52 |
| cubexyz | it's fine to criticize linux _distros_ | Dec 30 18:52 |
| cubexyz | but the kernel itself is pretty good | Dec 30 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | I think the nick is birdie | Dec 30 18:53 |
| cubexyz | or whatever, use some other FOSS operating system | Dec 30 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | I was chatting with him some time ago. | Dec 30 18:53 |
| cubexyz | but advocating windows is just stupid | Dec 30 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html nailed it | Dec 30 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfonts.narod.ru | Main Linux problems on the desktop, 2016 edition [ http://ur1.ca/od769 ] | Dec 30 18:53 | |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: that? | Dec 30 18:53 |
| cubexyz | except the linux desktop has been decent since around 1998 | Dec 30 18:55 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Redhat 5.2 and after | Dec 30 18:56 |
| cubexyz | really the basic stuff was sorted out by 1994 | Dec 30 18:57 |
| cubexyz | Ryerson in Canada was using Darkstar Linux 0.99.14 back in 1994 | Dec 30 18:58 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.png | Dec 30 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | Something old and more positive: http://blackcatlinux.narod.ru/myths/index.html | Dec 30 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blackcatlinux.narod.ru | 10 Мифов о Linux [ http://ur1.ca/od76w ] | Dec 30 18:59 | |
| cubexyz | ok, it wasn't perfect but it was better than windows 3.1 I'd say | Dec 30 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | "10 myths about Linux" in Russian | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JcRmDjIe4c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od76y | Dec 30 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| XRevan86 | from 90s | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clementine Review - One of the Best Music | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Players on Linux https://t.co/1rN7LsEOK2 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od76z | Dec 30 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linux | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows 10 https://t.co/bgouQx5Cxc | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od770 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 ways Ubuntu Linux is better than Microsoft Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-source advocates see big opportunity for | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | federal software acquisition reform in 2016 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jmFgjl60jb (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od771 | Dec 30 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source advocates see big opportunity for federal software acquisition reform in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 19:00 | |
| XRevan86 | > COREL WordPerfect | Dec 30 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mBWR1XtFUE (www.droid-life.com) | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od77c | Dec 30 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Droid Life | Dec 30 19:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RLmmPSuSdl (9to5google.com) | Dec 30 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od77f | Dec 30 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | 5 Android smartphone makers to watch in 2016 | 9to5Google | Dec 30 19:02 | |
| MinceR | http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 30 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog | Dec 30 19:07 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He really did? | Dec 30 19:07 |
| MinceR | apparently | Dec 30 19:07 |
| MinceR | well, at least they don't get to harm him any more | Dec 30 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | O_O | Dec 30 19:08 |
| MinceR | http://techaeris.com/2015/12/28/debian-founder-ian-murdocks-tweets-raising-eyebrows/ | Dec 30 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techaeris.com | [UPDATED] Debian Founder Ian Murdock's Tweets Are Raising Eyebrows - Techaeris | Dec 30 19:08 | |
| XRevan86 | > The rest of my life will be devoted to fighting against police abuse | Dec 30 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | like a day or so? | Dec 30 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Something's not right. | Dec 30 19:09 |
| MinceR | looks like it | Dec 30 19:09 |
| MinceR | many things aren't right | Dec 30 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe Docker was hacked. | Dec 30 19:10 |
| MinceR | i guess we'll find out eventually | Dec 30 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah. | Dec 30 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | If this is a joke, it's pretty cruel. | Dec 30 19:14 |
| MinceR | it probably isn't | Dec 30 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why? | Dec 30 19:14 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like something people would joke with | Dec 30 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unless they want attention. | Dec 30 19:16 |
| r_schestowitz | not a joke | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | but maybe someone killed him | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe a neighbour | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | the one he claims to have knocked on the door of | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Wait and see, I guess... | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | I totally lost my concentration now | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | worse than the swartz case | Dec 30 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682283616332808192 | Dec 30 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: Debian founder and Docker employee Ian Murdock has died at 42 https://t.co/Ev6R05Ppqw | Dec 30 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody https://t.co/iSyMsSWUK1 https://t.co/vNS7IhpfoM | Dec 30 19:36 | |
| MinceR | http://www.politico.eu/article/poland-crisis-constitution-kaczynski-duda/ | Dec 30 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | Poland’s government continues power-grab – POLITICO | Dec 30 19:42 | |
| *amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Dec 30 19:45 | |
| cubexyz | where's corel draw for linux eh? | Dec 30 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: CorelDRAW 9 from 2000 | Dec 30 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | > it did not run natively; instead, it used a modified version of Wine to run | Dec 30 19:49 |
| cubexyz | yes I see that on winehq | Dec 30 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why would you want CorelDRAW anyway? | Dec 30 19:50 |
| cubexyz | not for me :) | Dec 30 19:50 |
| cubexyz | for customers | Dec 30 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Why would anyone want CorelDRAW anyway? | Dec 30 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Inkscape is such a nice thing. | Dec 30 19:50 |
| cubexyz | there are some diehard coreldraw people out there | Dec 30 19:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682286892008779778 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682287760959533056 | Dec 30 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz the circumstances of his death sound decidedly suspicious | Dec 30 19:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: R.I.P. https://t.co/kzR2sLLv6K | Dec 30 19:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Debian founder Ian #Murdock dead: Tributes pour in from colleagues https://t.co/s28j6OM4UF | Dec 30 19:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682283616332808192 | Dec 30 19:51 |
| cubexyz | older people get used to one way of doing things and it takes a nuclear bomb to get them to try something different | Dec 30 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Doesn't coreldraw change its interface once in a while? | Dec 30 19:52 |
| cubexyz | it probably does | Dec 30 19:53 |
| cubexyz | so the oldsters stick with Coreldraw 7 :) | Dec 30 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: piratis vulgaris? :) | Dec 30 19:54 |
| *amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-81-90.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Dec 30 19:54 | |
| cubexyz | coreldraw 7 on XP, and it's not pirated | Dec 30 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | piratis komplikatis | Dec 30 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not something one can share, that's the complication. | Dec 30 19:57 |
| cubexyz | oh I see | Dec 30 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, share the software. | Dec 30 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I only see very few linux people locally | Dec 30 19:57 |
| cubexyz | some chromebooks, tons of xp, tons of win7 | Dec 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | - Hey, how can I open your CDR file? | Dec 30 19:58 |
| cubexyz | some online conversion utility perhaps? | Dec 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Inkscape can work on Windows. | Dec 30 19:58 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll mention that | Dec 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What if conversion won't be successful? | Dec 30 19:59 |
| cubexyz | there's another problem too... | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | what the printer will take | Dec 30 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It doesn't generate PDF? | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | whatever the customer takes to the printer has to be in a form the printer can use | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | yeah it probably does | Dec 30 20:00 |
| cubexyz | I don't use it myself | Dec 30 20:01 |
| cubexyz | I have problems with some PDF files with security features | Dec 30 20:01 |
| cubexyz | e.g. you get a coupon for a discount, but it doesn't work on linux | Dec 30 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | coupons for a discount in PDF? | Dec 30 20:04 |
| cubexyz | yes | Dec 30 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | Patrick bless Russia. | Dec 30 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I didn't even suspect such a thing exists. | Dec 30 20:05 |
| cubexyz | oh it does for sure | Dec 30 20:05 |
| cubexyz | there's tons of them | Dec 30 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | I start to think that me lacking a credit card is also a miracle :). | Dec 30 20:06 |
| cubexyz | there's google checkout | Dec 30 20:10 |
| cubexyz | paypal, etc | Dec 30 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | that I also don't use | Dec 30 20:11 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, they discontinued google checkout didn't they | Dec 30 20:11 |
| cubexyz | what do you use to buy stuff online? | Dec 30 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, I ask my sister %). | Dec 30 20:12 |
| cubexyz | google checkout became google wallet | Dec 30 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | if by online you mean "from China" | Dec 30 20:12 |
| cubexyz | I buy stuff on ebay sometimes, I try to buy from Canada, then United States | Dec 30 20:13 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Android_Apps_10 favourited 'Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 https://t.co/mBWR1XtFUE' | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Our Favorite Android Devices of 2015 | Droid Life | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clementine Review - One of the Best Music | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Players on https://t.co/XCG8Ewf8ZC | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.softpedia.com) ... https://t.co/UXapPsH7aX | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (joindiaspora.com) | Dec 30 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7h8 | Dec 30 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linux | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| cubexyz | but I've also bought stuff from China without any problems | Dec 30 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Clementine Review - One of the Best Music Players on Linuxhttp://ww... | Dec 30 20:13 | |
| XRevan86 | sites like aliexpress | Dec 30 20:13 |
| cubexyz | tch, google wallet only works with android and ios | Dec 30 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Jkt124/status/682295826501230592 | Dec 30 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Jkt124: @schestowitz @Marcin_Kaminski kolejni do wygaszenia :-) | Dec 30 20:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DarthLukan/status/682296201878843397 | Dec 30 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DarthLukan: The world is a lesser and darker place without him. https://t.co/qanbsMhQGl | Dec 30 20:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Debian founder and Docker employee Ian Murdock has died at 42 https://t.co/vNS7IhpfoM fuck. So it was true. #policeBrutality | Dec 30 20:24 | |
| cubexyz | what the heck happened? | Dec 30 20:25 |
| r_schestowitz | scroll up | Dec 30 20:26 |
| cubexyz | no cause of death | Dec 30 20:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682297653040951297 | Dec 30 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Shame @schestowitz I enjoyed talking to him. Used Debian since 1993... | Dec 30 20:32 | |
| cubexyz | threatening suicide and then beaten up? | Dec 30 20:36 |
| cubexyz | monday night | Dec 30 20:41 |
| cubexyz | over a day ago and we still don't know very much | Dec 30 20:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682297653040951297 | Dec 30 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BSD Unix-like OS is Resurrected for Embedded | Dec 30 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IoT Market https://t.co/NPDXeEyRbi | Dec 30 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rk | Dec 30 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BSD Unix-like OS is Resurrected for Embedded IoT Market | Tux Machines | Dec 30 21:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines RIP Ian Murdock https://t.co/LFFwV1AHtS | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rl | Dec 30 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RIP Ian Murdock | Tux Machines | Dec 30 21:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7rm | Dec 30 21:36 |
| msb__ | Murdock was beaten by police and then -- somehow as a result -- said he was going to kill himself. Then he said he wasn't. | Dec 30 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Techrights | Dec 30 21:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | but did it anyway | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | IMHO | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | (MY opinion) | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | )opinion | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Some dicks online controbuted to it | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | They mocked him | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | and the media didn't get this coverage | Dec 30 21:48 |
| r_schestowitz | so rather than make a big deal out of it many called him insane | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and other worse things | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | like "his career is over" | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | He must have read some responses like these | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | esp. in reddit afaik | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | Instead they should have offered more real support | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | 2 friends of mine whom I spoke to shortly after his threat was made dismissed him as fake | Dec 30 21:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I once needed to help a german friend after he wanted to kill himself | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | me and other friend, hans, stayed with him all night | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | to take him through it | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | about his family, with tears and all | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | until he was stable enough to go on | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Murdock was widely ridiculed after these rants online | Dec 30 21:50 |
| r_schestowitz | the very opposite of what he needed | Dec 30 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | and maybe the people whom he asked to contact him didn't | Dec 30 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | which also is their failure in a way | Dec 30 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | but we shall be hearing more about it in the coming days/weeks/month | Dec 30 21:51 |
| msb__ | Here's a listing of his tweets that includes more than I saw originally: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM | Dec 30 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | ian murdock - Pastebin.com | Dec 30 21:54 | |
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| cubexyz | who is jackstormwriter? | Dec 30 21:57 |
| cubexyz | seems like a real ass | Dec 30 21:57 |
| msb__ | He said he needed stitches. That would seem to indicate that the police hit him on the head. Psychopaths do that to destroy a person's brain. I wonder if he had a clot or a bleed, and whether he had a scan in the hospital. | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | cubexyz: not a valid account | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | i wondered the same the other day | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe someone who deleted his/her account | Dec 30 21:57 |
| r_schestowitz | we'll find out soon, I guess | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't know what the hastag in the suicide threat meant | Dec 30 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | with a number, 67 IIRC, at the end | Dec 30 21:58 |
| cubexyz | more than one beat down is stated too | Dec 30 21:59 |
| cubexyz | "188. Then beat me up some more." | Dec 30 21:59 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: plausible | Dec 30 22:01 |
| r_schestowitz | I didn't even think of that | Dec 30 22:01 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links...' | Dec 30 22:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Dec 30 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ECpu4vjc2S (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 30 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7uo | Dec 30 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 things to expect from Android in 2016 | Tux Machines | Dec 30 22:02 | |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: If so, it could have put him into a very confused state that could account for the somewhat incoherent tweets and the suicide. | Dec 30 22:05 |
| msb__ | I hope there's an autopsy. If his brain was damaged, then the cops are guilty of manslaughter at the very least, maybe worse given multiple beatings. | Dec 30 22:08 |
| msb__ | But a coverup is much more likely. | Dec 30 22:09 |
| r_schestowitz | fair points | Dec 30 22:10 |
| msb__ | Brain bleeds can be progressive, causing worsening of symptoms over periods of hours. | Dec 30 22:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jdub/status/682276977772871680 | Dec 30 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jdub: Ian left an extraordinarily influential legacy in Debian. https://t.co/iwsBDm9CpA | Dec 30 22:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog | Dec 30 22:14 | |
| MinceR | now redhat is trying every trick they can to wipe out that legacy | Dec 30 22:15 |
| msb__ | It could even have been a hit. Some years ago a 911 investigator made some inquiries to the Israeli consulate. Shortly thereafter he was attacked by cops at his home in a suburb of Chicago, his arm broken, and he eventually had to flee to Europe. | Dec 30 22:15 |
| r_schestowitz | > No details, yet, but he's dead already: | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > That is really bad news. And on top of that, the police basically | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > killed him. I hope the details get out if they help. | Dec 30 22:17 |
| r_schestowitz | Based on one theory, may have been a blood clot after so many blows to the head | Dec 30 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ ) | Dec 30 22:17 | |
| zoobab | I made a backup of the tweets: | Dec 30 22:18 |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/ | Dec 30 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-filez.zoobab.com | Index of /misc/debian-murdock-twitter/ | Dec 30 22:18 | |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/debian-murdock-twitter-last-tweets.txt | Dec 30 22:18 |
| zoobab | http://filez.zoobab.com/misc/debian-murdock-twitter/debian-murdock-twitter-last-tweets.pdf | Dec 30 22:18 |
| r_schestowitz | cheers | Dec 30 22:18 |
| r_schestowitz | Other people backed it up too | Dec 30 22:18 |
| r_schestowitz | zoobab: tweeted | Dec 30 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ian was working in Docker, remember? | Dec 30 22:19 |
| MinceR | yes | Dec 30 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | if I understand correctly, Docker initially only supported working with systemd-nspawn | Dec 30 22:20 |
| MinceR | i thought they were competing | Dec 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | i also thought docker predated systemd | Dec 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | in any case, the legacy that was the subject was debian, not docker | Dec 30 22:21 |
| r_schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524 | Dec 30 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Hacker News [ http://ur1.ca/od7xf ] | Dec 30 22:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | In a tweet, he wrote that "@jacksormwriter wants me dead". | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | I wonder who that is... | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | Source at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:le7oSCj... | Dec 30 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | cache:le7oSCj - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/od7xg ] | Dec 30 22:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | " If I recall from reading the original, it was just someone who showed up and (I think sincerely helpfully) told him that if he wants retribution against the police, any lawyer would tell him to stop discussing the specifics of the case on social media. " | Dec 30 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "I went back and looked earlier today, and that is what I found, also, except that I didn't find him talking about lawyers and did find him advising Ian to "lay low" (presumably so the police wouldn't seek retribution against Ian.) I didn't find anything from that other guy that was anything other than sincerely trying to be helpful. (Of course, there could have been deleted tweets.)" | Dec 30 22:23 |
| msb__ | Full conspiracy theory: Five attacks on FOSS: UEFI, systemd, KDE4/5/Plasma, SJW vs Linux, murder of Ian Murdock. N.B. _theory_ | Dec 30 22:29 |
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| msb__ | Oops SJW vs Linus | Dec 30 22:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813830 | Dec 30 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | I like this better than the docker post. https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mournin... | Hacker News | Dec 30 22:32 | |
| msb__ | Actually, I don't see how killing Murdock would help the rulers prevent people from using Linux. But maybe it could be a sort of attack on the subconscious. | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Main notes: | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this will be easily proven. | Dec 30 22:33 |
| r_schestowitz | * His last tweet is "abcolucity i'll tweet it or twitch it or whenever the rufk can i have 30 minutes toe wtie my suittyes ?" This to me strongly suggests a head injury. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | * "The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise." | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | * "watch my blog later http://ianmurdock.com" "I'm not committing suicide today. I'll write this all up first, so the police brutality ENDEMIC in this so call free country will be known." There are no posts about this on his blog. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | Ian Murdock | Linux old timer. Debian founder. Sun alum. Salesforce ExactTarget exec. | Dec 30 22:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police. I also believe that the police will rule that it was a suicide; but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie. | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | (EDIT: At some point in this saga, Ian's Twitter account got hacked. The deleted account, and the strange last tweet, were probably a result of that.) | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:34 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Dec 30 22:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | ars 1 hour ago | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | "This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in" | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Exactly. And yet you write "He was repeatedly beaten by the police" ... "this will be easily proven". | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Your post is incredibly irresponsible. You know nothing at all of what happened, all you have are the posts of someone having a mental breakdown. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | And you don't just stop at what he wrote on twitter. No, you continue with literally stuff from your own imagination: | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | "I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police." | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | People's lives have been ruined many many times by other people jumping to conclusions before knowing all the facts. I don't know if jumping to conclusions will hurt anyone here, but you should NOT do it. Ever. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | PS. This: "but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie" does not in the slightest rule out suicide. People committing suicide almost always have future plans. | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | cjbprime 1 hour ago | Dec 30 22:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > This to me strongly suggests a head injury. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Or, more likely in my mind, that if his chosen suicide method was overdose, the overdose had already begun at the time of this tweet. | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | (When I say "more likely" I'm not trying to suggest that I actually know what happened; merely that I can find explanations that are at least as convincing as your chosen one, so I don't think anyone should be claiming they have good ideas on what happened from reading the tweets.) | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | reply | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | "Who will investigate Ian's death? Will it be the same police that beat him up? Or their friends?" | Dec 30 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Well, to be fair, he could have been really drunk or high as a cope with his angst... Only the autopsy can reveal head injury/substance presence. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | EDIT: Have you never attempted to type anything on a keyboard/phone when really drunk? Its fucking HARD. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | So to immediately conclude that he suffered from head trauma (as opposed to deep emotional trauma) is short sighted, and like I said can only be revealed (hopefully) in an autopsy. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't now any details of what happened. But, PTSD is a real thing and it can deeply effect people. Being assaulted by police and then having them charge you for the crime of trying to protect yourself is an entirely plausible cause for PTSD. I know several activists who suffer from and have been treated for PTSD based on their past interactions with police, and some have been suicidal and needed immediate hospitalization. And, the | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | suicide statistics of veterans suffering PTSD are horrifying. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | In short: Ian may have been suffering from PTSD. It may have struck very fast and very hard, so much so that his loved ones didn't have time to get him the help he needed to cope with his pain. The idea that it is not comprehensible comes from a place of privilege of never having experienced something so horrible that it caused significant damage to your mind and sense of well-being. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Bullshit. Police beat the shit out of people, unprovoked, every day. They murder 12 year old boys without hesitation (Tamir Rice). They'll kill a woman in her jail cell because she knew her rights and tried to exercise them (Sandra Bland). They'll chase down (stealing a car to make the chase more exciting) and execute an innocent man because he happens to be black and trying to go into the bank where he has an account (Larry Jackson, Jr.). | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | I could type all day and not finish the list of unarmed people who did nothing wrong who are dead by the hands of cops. The number who've been beaten by police is astronomically higher. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Ian is a well-known quantity, and what we know is that he was extraordinarily kind and generous. I don't believe for a second that he did anything to deserve to have a police officer beat him up. Not all police are vicious bullies, but I'm more willing to believe Ian had the misfortune to cross paths with a vicious bully than I am to believe he deserved being beaten up. | Dec 30 22:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 30 22:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to | Dec 30 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Dec 30 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/lg3zqQKYPT (techrights.org) | Dec 30 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/od7uy | Dec 30 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Memory of Ian Murdock, Our Daily Links to Increase Coverage of Police Brutality | Techrights | Dec 30 22:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/682326034474205185 | Dec 30 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: @schestowitz If you didn't already know you can view Ian Murdock's tweets from https://t.co/CiZFGKrDKF | Dec 30 22:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org | Ian Murdock (@imurdock) | Twitter | Dec 30 22:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | there are many copies in lots of places | Dec 30 22:39 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/682326411781226496 | Dec 30 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz given that he's no more, barring these few tweets, we won't ever know his side of the whole story. I hope that's not the case. | Dec 30 22:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/motters/status/682330351809630209 | Dec 30 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @schestowitz sad | Dec 30 22:41 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682480942242500608 | Dec 31 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: in fact, we handed them victory... https://t.co/0SBABfElxQ | Dec 31 09:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The terrorists have won because we let them win https://t.co/i09TAThEvO | Dec 31 09:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/682489291239485440 | Dec 31 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz @semmoneglynn @Snowden If My Followers don't know what you are talking about. My followers had best brush the F**K UP. | Dec 31 09:43 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Have-proprietary-Linux-games-failed | Dec 31 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | Have proprietary Linux games failed? » Linux Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/od9y6 ] | Dec 31 10:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > He fails to question the metrics. IIRC, dual booters and users with | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > multiple machines are counted as "Windows", if one of the OSes is | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > Windows, and if the account is used from a Windows machine even once | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | > during the measurement period, it is counted as "Windows". | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I saw that... | Dec 31 10:28 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fflandro/status/682508792962117632 | Dec 31 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz I've viewed the bowels of some not-for-profit schools that just might raise your hackles. | Dec 31 10:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/70949-debian-founder-ian-murdock-dies-at-42 | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > I'll skip the other links on the same topic. There is no new info yet. | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > One or more US-based teams, preferably in CA, need to FOIA what the | Dec 31 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Debian founder Ian Murdock dies at 42 [ http://ur1.ca/od9yn ] | Dec 31 10:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | > government has. It looks like at least for now his family is not going | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | > to help. | Dec 31 10:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Techrights is sending the faxes right now. Already got them on the phone a few times... | Dec 31 10:34 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Watch: Ubuntu MATE Desktop Running on Meizu MX4...' | Dec 31 10:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: | Dec 31 10:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enlightenment https://t.co/ygep6vfgnr | Dec 31 10:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 10:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oda0b | Dec 31 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Enlightenment | Tux Machines | Dec 31 10:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/682515001748361216 | Dec 31 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #SiliconValley: 'noble practitioner of well-intentioned entrepreneurship/innovation'. Really about power & politics. https://t.co/6jDpAb6ZcR | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: This Was the Year Tech Became the Bad Guy https://t.co/y9b7ZSqlLN non-techie billionaires panic, use laws to keep power | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheRealKerryG/status/682515123324321792 | Dec 31 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealKerryG: Seriously @QPSmedia ? Arresting a desperate dad who wanted some quality of life after chemo failed on his 2 year old https://t.co/DeLCXf4Ooe | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dad Arrested, His 2-yo Daughter Taken, for Successfully Treating Her Cancer with Cannabis Oil https://t.co/rohfEBN9fH #police | Dec 31 10:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | Police aren't doctors.They just beat people up, shoot them, and arrest them. Looking after their own back. | Dec 31 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheRealKerryG/status/682516636813791232 | Dec 31 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRealKerryG: @schestowitz They're pretty good at turning a blind eye too. This is when it's appropriate to do so. @QPSmedia | Dec 31 11:01 | |
| r_schestowitz | Just "doing their job". As #murdock said, we're the police, we do whatever the f* we want. No matter the consequences. | Dec 31 11:03 |
| r_schestowitz | Too insecure and uneducated, some people in #police would rather see a 2-year-old just die from cancer | Dec 31 11:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ConnorCarl/status/682521153928220672 | Dec 31 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ConnorCarl: @schestowitz He clarified he was talking about MINIMUM wage at 15 dollars is ridiculous and too high. | Dec 31 11:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | It's not | Dec 31 11:20 |
| msb__ | Many people are now reporting success using cannabidiol (a non-psychedelic substance in marijuana) against cancer. | Dec 31 11:21 |
| msb__ | In cases like this, the police attack whom they're told to attack by higher levels of the control hierarchy -- state and federal govt controlled by (e.g. pharmaceutical) corporations. | Dec 31 11:24 |
| msb__ | In California, where medical marijuana is legal, you can buy special high-cannabidiol/low-THC cannabis specifically bred for use against cancer. | Dec 31 11:30 |
| msb__ | Although it may be a crime to say so. | Dec 31 11:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: lol I like the marijuana myth. The high-cannabidial zero-THC is Genengically modified done in Australia by csiro it called industrial hemp. | Dec 31 11:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Myth? | Dec 31 11:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: yes to keep pests out of industrial hemp after THC is removed the cannabidiol level had to be increase. Just by pure chance its good for cancer. | Dec 31 11:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there is also a GM added defect in the leaf of industrial hemp compared to THC containing hemp. | Dec 31 11:37 |
| msb__ | what does that do? | Dec 31 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Hemp is another name of the marijuana plant. | Dec 31 11:38 |
| msb__ | what does the GM added defect do? | Dec 31 11:38 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to make zero THC is causing one GM mod so the plant does not know how to make it. Second GM mod is to bost cannabidials for pest protection. Final is the leaves are no longer submetrial at the bottom of each leaf is notch on one side that is not natural. | Dec 31 11:43 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so simply looking at the leaves you can tell Zero THC plants. | Dec 31 11:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: GM hemp came out of the same Csiro projects doing GM cotton. | Dec 31 11:48 |
| msb__ | THC is very beneficial, giving the psychedelic, social, psychological, euphoric effects. It helps people to resist and expunge lying propaganda, which is why it was made so severely illegal. | Dec 31 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no THC is not that beneficial at more than 0.1 percent. http://www.leafscience.com/2014/10/21/marijuana-memory/ | Dec 31 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.leafscience.com | Marijuana and Your Memory [ http://ur1.ca/oda4t ] | Dec 31 11:55 | |
| oiaohm | THC techically would be good to give to a person after rape or equal to nuke the memory being formed but that is about the only practical usage of it in large dosages. | Dec 31 11:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/682528417930149888 | Dec 31 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz they beat the shit out of me twice, then charged me $25,000 to get out of jail for battery against THEM https://t.co/y5yV1CitAr | Dec 31 12:00 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol Basically CBD Cannabidiol equals good improves nerve function helps ablity to learn... THC tetrahydrocannabinol equals bad in most cases as it jams up nerve functions and blocks ablity to learn. | Dec 31 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pastebin.com | Ian Murdock Tweets - Pastebin.com | Dec 31 12:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cannabidiol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/oda57 ] | Dec 31 12:00 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2015/06/how-to-use-cbd-oil/ Its very interesting chemistry. If you have something high CBD and low THC the CBD stops the THC from binding and causing trouble. | Dec 31 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bengreenfieldfitness.com | How To Use CBD Oil [ http://ur1.ca/oda5w ] | Dec 31 12:11 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: also high THC only comes about due to human interfence. It is another part of the myth basically the way to make low THC is simply have male to female plant ratio numbers right. | Dec 31 12:14 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.inquisitr.com/2668594/google-snubs-oracle-in-next-release-of-android-java-apis-dropped-in-favor-of-open-source-openjdk/ | Dec 31 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inquisitr.com | Google Snubs Oracle In Next Release Of Android - Java APIs Dropped In Favor Of OpenJDK [ http://ur1.ca/oda6a ] | Dec 31 12:15 | |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Have you ever used high-THC cannabis? If not, you don't know what you're talking about. THC was the main thing in the US in the 1960s that woke people up and led them to protest and stop the Vietnam War. | Dec 31 12:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: to be correct if you can cannabis samples from the 1990 you they will at worst be 2 percent. Where modern cannabis samples can be 14 to 15 percent. | Dec 31 12:18 |
| msb__ | If you use it, you will find a wonderful integration between your sequential-deductive mind and your associative-lyrical mind (which is otherwise active mostly when you're dreaming). | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | 1960s not 1990s | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | So high-THC cannabis is a modern thing msb__ | Dec 31 12:19 |
| msb__ | Wrong. | Dec 31 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Its not wrong. | Dec 31 12:20 |
| msb__ | There were high-THC strains of cannabis in the 1960s. I lived during that time. | Dec 31 12:20 |
| msb__ | I was born in 1945/ | Dec 31 12:20 |
| oiaohm | high-THC strains from the 1960 were the 2 percent stuff. | Dec 31 12:20 |
| oiaohm | With modern growing methods inside houses an the like you get the 14 to 15 percent THC. | Dec 31 12:21 |
| msb__ | There were high and low THC strains in the 60s. | Dec 31 12:21 |
| oiaohm | msb__: low strains are less than 0.3 | Dec 31 12:21 |
| oiaohm | like 2 percent is double want is classed safe. | Dec 31 12:21 |
| oiaohm | 14 to 15 percent is right out the ball park. | Dec 31 12:22 |
| msb__ | Thai sticks, Maui Wowie, etc. | Dec 31 12:22 |
| msb__ | High THC is very safe. You just smoke less of it. | Dec 31 12:22 |
| msb__ | It's called "titrating to effect". | Dec 31 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Not really at 2 percent smoking less of it works. 14-15 percent is what causes some of the nasty mental effects of modern day users. | Dec 31 12:23 |
| msb__ | Have you ever smoked medium or high THC cannabis? | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PlayStation 4 hacked to run Linux, Pokémon | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5n1OPyGtSD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oda6y | Dec 31 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PlayStation 4 hacked to run Linux, Pokémon | Tux Machines | Dec 31 12:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Still North Korea in Headlines | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eYvvALoMto (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 12:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oda6z | Dec 31 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Still North Korea in Headlines | Tux Machines | Dec 31 12:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682537804778356736\ | Dec 31 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz well, there's an explicit carve-out in #TPP, although not clear how well it will work | Dec 31 12:26 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: I don't have the receptors for THC or morphine(and releations). So been in contact with high THC don't have a clue of it effects. Found out I did not have the receptors when the complete town where I was was high because of a fire going through an illegal crop. | Dec 31 12:27 |
| oiaohm | msb__: CBD is a good pain killer for me. | Dec 31 12:29 |
| msb__ | That's strange because THC and opiate receptors are entirely different. | Dec 31 12:30 |
| msb__ | You should try high THC anyhow. | Dec 31 12:30 |
| msb__ | Maybe you would stop pushing systemd. | Dec 31 12:30 |
| msb__ | If high THC doesn't work, try to find some peyote cactus. | Dec 31 12:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: my body has a few screwed up proteins the result is lot of my nerve receptors don't match anyone else. | Dec 31 12:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I see why systemd had to happen. I like how people say that people could use cgroups without systemd. Lets cover a basic problem. 1 Linux kernel only wants 1 item in charge of cgroups. So making services as a third party using cgroups requires some unified interface. | Dec 31 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Even on BSD systems jails and other security options BSD offer are under used. | Dec 31 12:35 |
| msb__ | I am not going to discuss systemd with you. And THC, properly used, is very beneficial to most people. | Dec 31 12:35 |
| oiaohm | THC in under 1 percent dosages with CBD has in some cases show some beneficial but then you have to remember CBD protects from some of the worst effects of THC | Dec 31 12:37 |
| oiaohm | CBD alone in a lot of cases is just as effective as CBD with THC. | Dec 31 12:38 |
| msb__ | THC does not have bad effects unless you take too much. | Dec 31 12:41 |
| oiaohm | THC can have bad effects if you take it without CBD even in small dosages. | Dec 31 12:42 |
| msb__ | If you truly lack THC receptors, then your understanding of THC is as worthless as a stone-deaf person talking about music. | Dec 31 12:42 |
| oiaohm | The ratio of CBD to THC is what decides if it safe. | Dec 31 12:42 |
| msb__ | You are spouting lying propaganda of rulers who don't want people to be able to reject their lying propaganda. | Dec 31 12:43 |
| msb__ | THC helps people not be slaves. | Dec 31 12:44 |
| msb__ | That's why it's illegal. | Dec 31 12:44 |
| oiaohm | stone deaf talking about music that was Beethoven | Dec 31 12:44 |
| msb__ | he could hear by bone conduction | Dec 31 12:45 |
| msb__ | you are like a deaf person who lacks cochleas. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | I know that. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | I had glue ear when young that completely blocked cochleas to being 100 percent non effective. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say there are other ways to hear. | Dec 31 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yuhgr/the_register_debian_linux_founder_ian_murdock/ | Dec 31 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | "Based on the article, he was drunk and it was late into the evening, so it might have been a case of him mistaking that house for his own. Not all of the streets in SF have excellent lighting." | Dec 31 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The Register: Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 [a few details about his police encounter] : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oda8q ] | Dec 31 12:47 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: not having the receptors made me ideal to be doing survey work on how badly people were effected by the drugs. | Dec 31 12:47 |
| oiaohm | msb__: since me coming into contact was not making me bias. | Dec 31 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | "Wonderful. Cue the next round of outrage about how the police are lying to cover up assault. I'm not sure I buy the narrative that the police were at fault. I suspect it is based far more on prejudice against the police than any hard facts of this case. We have very little to go on either way, but one would expect an outcry from the family if the police were at fault, instead of the muted comments we have about it being a "private matter" | Dec 31 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 12:48 |
| oiaohm | msb__: personally thinking 1960s stuff was under 2 percent from all samples tested. THC to make people not slaves could possilbe work at under 1 percent and avoid the medical risks. | Dec 31 12:49 |
| msb__ | bruises and needing stitches | Dec 31 12:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: over 1 percent you start blocking out the production of memories. | Dec 31 12:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: old saying too much of a good thing. I serousally think THC is in that camp if it is effective dosage levels have to remain low. | Dec 31 12:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: something to remember thuggees in india where the first to work out how to make high. But that tech was not in the USA in the 1960s. But that tech is close to modern production methods. Super strong stuff was used to make slaves. | Dec 31 12:55 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: This is why we need to see the full arrest report so we can find out whose door he was knocking on and what he wanted. | Dec 31 12:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: if you could not remember you worked yesterday would you miss your pay for that day. | Dec 31 12:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: THC memory blocking effect can have very nasty downsides. | Dec 31 12:57 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: yes, but even police reports may be biased | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | or edited after the act | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | to justify what happened, serve as coverup | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | you might need personal testimony from neighbours | Dec 31 13:08 |
| r_schestowitz | without police involved | Dec 31 13:08 |
| msb__ | True, but learning the location of the neighbors would help. | Dec 31 13:09 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzrkDGxZexA | Dec 31 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaa5 ] | Dec 31 13:10 | |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T4pBysFk84 | Dec 31 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jefferson Airplane - Mexico - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaad ] | Dec 31 13:13 | |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejvcd-JeVCQ | Dec 31 13:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | BREWER AND SHIPLEY- " ONE TOKE OVER THE LINE " - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/odaat ] | Dec 31 13:17 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/simovalley/status/682557360070606848 | Dec 31 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@simovalley: I'd rather turn to a witch @schestowitz @openDemocracy | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/682556346554777604 | Dec 31 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: still very few details about what happened to Ian Murdock... https://t.co/SKkWmqmSJU | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Murdock had still been celebrating the Christmas season when he resisted arrest" https://t.co/EPkvRQWVBa | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hanscees/status/682557619920367616 | Dec 31 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hanscees: Founder Debian #linux dead after police harresment in USA https://t.co/tixT4PaIhI | Dec 31 13:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Murdock had still been celebrating the Christmas season when he resisted arrest" https://t.co/EPkvRQWVBa | Dec 31 13:45 | |
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| r_schestowitz | >>> No details, yet, but he's dead already: | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ | Dec 31 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | In Memoriam: Ian Murdock | Docker Blog [ http://ur1.ca/odaeu ] | Dec 31 14:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> That is really bad news. And on top of that, the police basically | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> killed him. I hope the details get out if they help. | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > Based on one theory, may have been a blood clot after so many blows to | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > the head | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Like what might have happened with Gary Kildall, but with authentic | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > police instead? Maybe docker was getting that big. | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > There is now a backlog of unexplained deaths: Michael Hastings (2013), | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Shane Todd (2013), Aaron Swartz (2013), Junichiro "itojun" Hagino (2007) | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > and especially Gary Kildall (1994). Which others? | Dec 31 14:07 |
| r_schestowitz | The founder of yum was run over in his bike by a runaway driver, but this one was no mystery. | Dec 31 14:07 |
| MinceR | 133500 < oiaohm> msb__: I see why systemd had to happen. I like how people say that people could use cgroups without systemd. Lets cover a basic problem. 1 | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | Linux kernel only wants 1 item in charge of cgroups. So making services as a third party using cgroups requires some unified interface. | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | where does it say that "1 item" must have pid1 and must include init, udev, [x]inetd, crond, atd, syslogd, firewall, bootloader, dns cache, webserver, container provisioner, ntpd and who knows what else? | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | yet another bad excuse | Dec 31 14:13 |
| MinceR | if only ratcrap people spent all the time they spent on coming up with excuses on coming up with a design first, they would have built something worth using | Dec 31 14:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroup mailing list in fact gives the 1 limit. | Dec 31 14:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also lot of the stuff you just listed is not in PID1 of systemd. | Dec 31 14:32 |
| MinceR | only carefully, irreversibly tied into pid1 so you can't get rid of them or replace them? | Dec 31 14:35 |
| MinceR | that makes things so much better | Dec 31 14:35 |
| MinceR | and again, all this time and effort spent on coming up with excuses could be better spent | Dec 31 14:35 |
| MinceR | why is it so hard to admit that lendows is not unix but a windows clone? | Dec 31 14:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really you are the one who doing the crap. | Dec 31 14:39 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 31 14:40 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem you have not fully read what issue systemd have suffered from either. | Dec 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Now you are asking for a citation on something you raised. | Dec 31 14:41 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one twisting reality to defend the indefensible | Dec 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Remember the example you brought up of systemd not being able to do cgroup tracking when it was loaded inside a cgroup. | Dec 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | This releates directly to the cgroup require a single management interface. | Dec 31 14:42 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one who claims that diversity is evil and yet for whom turning 8 GNU/Linux distros into systemd/Linux wasn't enough | Dec 31 14:42 |
| oiaohm | It also reletates to why dbus started being used in upstart and systemd. | Dec 31 14:42 |
| MinceR | where does cgroup require that single management interface to be tied with all the crap systemd includes? | Dec 31 14:43 |
| MinceR | where does cgroup require dbus? | Dec 31 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Note that systemd and upstart idea was to use dbus at first then move to some from of kernel IPC. | Dec 31 14:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, once dbus is forced into the kernel | Dec 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | A form of IPC that can safely cross container. | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | what's the problem with IPC that was designed to be restartable? | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | what's the problem with using kernel space for what kernel space is intended, and not to run everything? | Dec 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | None of the existing IPC in Linux is designed with the idea of safely crossing containers. | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | how does having to put dbus of all things into the kernel from that? | Dec 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | why do technical decisions have to be driven by political agenda? | Dec 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | kdbus in fact including extentions for crossing cgroups. | Dec 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | features dbus default did not contain. | Dec 31 14:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/cygtfxj | Dec 31 14:45 |
| r_schestowitz | SWJ mentioned | Dec 31 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | qoaa comments on Ian Murdock, Debian founder, is threatening suicide on Twitter right now. Please, let's stop him! [ http://ur1.ca/odaho ] | Dec 31 14:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | SJW | Dec 31 14:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: irrelevant | Dec 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | in fact the bus1 now is fairly much stripping back to the cgroup crossing features. | Dec 31 14:45 |
| MinceR | good for them, i guess | Dec 31 14:46 |
| MinceR | why can't they start with that? | Dec 31 14:46 |
| MinceR | why does an attempt to force Linus' hand have to happen before they even consider stripping some of the bloat out of their shitty design? | Dec 31 14:46 |
| MinceR | why does Linus (not a developer of dbus, afaik) have to profile their userspace shit before they even think about changing the design? | Dec 31 14:47 |
| oiaohm | There are issues that trigger the systemd event. But that does not mean everything was implemented correctly. | Dec 31 14:48 |
| oiaohm | dbus to kdbus was lets look at existing IPC and attempt not to reinvent the wheel. | Dec 31 14:48 |
| MinceR | why not look at existing IPC that's not a shitty toy? | Dec 31 14:49 |
| MinceR | also, how does "look at" translate into "move into the kernel"? | Dec 31 14:49 |
| oiaohm | dbus was made because particular roles the existing in kernel posix, bsd ipc does not cut it. | Dec 31 14:49 |
| MinceR | m$ regularly uses overhead as an excuse for moving stuff from userspace to kernel space | Dec 31 14:50 |
| MinceR | "does not cut it", as in "is not bloated enough" | Dec 31 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Even so dbus in userspace in places is bloated but in other places dbus is lacking key features. | Dec 31 14:50 |
| oiaohm | To be correct its not the first time something like kdbus has happened. | Dec 31 14:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do you remember the tux webserver. | Dec 31 14:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you remember iis? | Dec 31 14:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUX_web_server | Dec 31 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TUX web server - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odai0 ] | Dec 31 14:52 | |
| MinceR | perhaps slowlaris or ultrix was also known to move stuff into the kernel for no reason? | Dec 31 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember TUX web server was also shot down by Linux. | Dec 31 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Opps Linus | Dec 31 14:52 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc731903%28v=ws.10%29.aspx | Dec 31 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Enable Kernel Caching (IIS 7) [ http://ur1.ca/odai2 ] | Dec 31 14:53 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: IIS7 comes after TUX Webserver. | Dec 31 14:53 |
| MinceR | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/david.wang/archive/2005/07/07/howto-use-kernel-response-cache-with-iis-6.aspx | Dec 31 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com | HOWTO: Use the HTTP.SYS Kernel Mode Response Cache with IIS 6 - David Wang - Site Home - MSDN Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/odai4 ] | Dec 31 14:53 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the first attempt at a webserver in Linux kernel is 1993 | Dec 31 14:54 |
| oiaohm | This is something that Microsoft was late to the party. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And has failed to leave the party. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| r_schestowitz | [14:52] <oiaohm> Remember TUX web server was also shot down by Linux. | Dec 31 14:55 |
| r_schestowitz | overcome? | Dec 31 14:55 |
| MinceR | remember the nt system diagram you posted a while ago? | Dec 31 14:55 |
| MinceR | looks like they've spent quite some time at that "party" | Dec 31 14:56 |
| MinceR | even if they're in denial about it | Dec 31 14:56 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: TUX web server was proven not to able to keep up with a userspace web server with a few extra syscalls added to Linux kernel to improve through put. | Dec 31 14:56 |
| MinceR | https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7277870/ | Dec 31 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.furaffinity.net | Posting art on the internet could soon become a crime -- Mircea's Journal -- Fur Affinity [dot] net [ http://ur1.ca/odaif ] | Dec 31 14:57 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the kdbus mess was predictable. TUX web server is normally the more known example but there are about 15 cases of stuff attempting to be shoved into the kernel. | Dec 31 14:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet some people never learn | Dec 31 14:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember redhat also attempted pushing tux web server out with there kernels as well. | Dec 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | well, duh | Dec 31 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes you are right some people never learn. | Dec 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | redhat is a staunch believer in m$ "design" principles | Dec 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | as systemd, kdbus, gnome and most wayland implementations show | Dec 31 15:00 |
| oiaohm | There are other examples of ubuntu, suse even slackware. | Dec 31 15:00 |
| oiaohm | I remember the 4 way fight that lead to cgroups. | Dec 31 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes 4 different implementations some shoving huge ammounts of stuff into kernel space todo exaclty what cgroups do today. | Dec 31 15:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder which year will KDE be redefined as the Kernel-mode Desktop Environment | Dec 31 15:01 |
| oiaohm | The answer is never. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Some things are not sane to have the possiblity of mulit implementations running at the same time. | Dec 31 15:02 |
| MinceR | like an entire operating system? | Dec 31 15:02 |
| oiaohm | UMS is a good example of not heathy. | Dec 31 15:03 |
| MinceR | is that why cancerd attempts to block every competitor? | Dec 31 15:03 |
| oiaohm | systemd never started with a plan. | Dec 31 15:04 |
| oiaohm | At least not a clean plan. | Dec 31 15:04 |
| MinceR | well, not a design | Dec 31 15:04 |
| MinceR | but it seems there was a sinister plan to take over all of GNU/Linux | Dec 31 15:04 |
| oiaohm | You can have a plan of what your objectives are but not have a design MinceR | Dec 31 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Something without a clear plan objectives and design is very had to have compadiblity with. | Dec 31 15:05 |
| oiaohm | had/hard. | Dec 31 15:05 |
| MinceR | in systemd's case, deliberately | Dec 31 15:06 |
| MinceR | compatible software means competition | Dec 31 15:06 |
| oiaohm | That is not a solid arguement. | Dec 31 15:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd really has not done anything that other init system replacements have not done before it. | Dec 31 15:07 |
| MinceR | it's apparently convincing enough for m$ and redcrap, though | Dec 31 15:07 |
| MinceR | oh, really | Dec 31 15:07 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a webserver built into it? | Dec 31 15:07 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit one version had a perl script webserver. | Dec 31 15:08 |
| oiaohm | for configuration. | Dec 31 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Removed because it was a huge security hole. | Dec 31 15:08 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a firewall configurator built into it? | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a bootloader built into it? | Dec 31 15:09 |
| oiaohm | SMF firewall. | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | did SMF come with a bootloader built into it? | Dec 31 15:09 |
| oiaohm | WIth zone management in solaris kind showed the need for firewall control. | Dec 31 15:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, and it's not like other processes could run on a unix-like kernel, right? | Dec 31 15:10 |
| MinceR | it's called unix because it's unitasking | Dec 31 15:10 |
| oiaohm | toybox fork to busybox does contain a bootloader as part of it init system. | Dec 31 15:11 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You say you have no THC or endorphin receptors in your body. Does that make you unable to feel pleasure? That would explain why you like to argue so much. | Dec 31 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically systemd managed just do what inividual init systems had done singley in all one project. | Dec 31 15:12 |
| MinceR | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html | Dec 31 15:12 |
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| MinceR | which init system replacement had a dns cache built into it? | Dec 31 15:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: busybox and toybox both have dns cache in them even worse broken than systemd default. Yes common question with busybox is what third party to use instead of the default provided. | Dec 31 15:14 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a container provisioner built into it? | Dec 31 15:15 |
| MinceR | busybox is hardly a good example as it's perfectly usable without its init | Dec 31 15:15 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not exactly. different proteins means my endorphin is different. | Dec 31 15:15 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure you can even build busybox with just about any subset of its applets, including without init | Dec 31 15:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SMF for one with zones has container provisioner and worse xml service configuration files. | Dec 31 15:16 |
| MinceR | msb__: arguing makes people feel pleasure | Dec 31 15:16 |
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| MinceR | which init system replacement had ntp built into it? | Dec 31 15:16 |
| MinceR | s/ntp/ntpd/ | Dec 31 15:16 |
| msb__ | Only sick fucks. | Dec 31 15:16 |
| MinceR | msb__: most humans are sick fucks, afaict | Dec 31 15:16 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: the timeserver feature in systemd is not ntpd. Instead its bare min without correction stuff. | Dec 31 15:17 |
| MinceR | ah, so it's a broken ntpd | Dec 31 15:18 |
| MinceR | that makes it fine, i guess | Dec 31 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Not broken ntpd. | Dec 31 15:18 |
| MinceR | which init system replacement had a broken ntpd built into it? | Dec 31 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Extreally lightweight ntpd | Dec 31 15:18 |
| MinceR | provided "extremely lightweight" means "devoid of functionality, but somehow still using resources" | Dec 31 15:19 |
| MinceR | seemed to me it means the opposite | Dec 31 15:19 |
| oiaohm | busybox-ntpd | Dec 31 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Also lacks a huge amount of ntpd features. | Dec 31 15:19 |
| MinceR | so basically your excuse for systemd is "busybox and SMF did it before" | Dec 31 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Its what has happened. | Dec 31 15:20 |
| oiaohm | systemd has basically collected up feature list of every init system and implemented it. | Dec 31 15:20 |
| MinceR | it's like fidesz's constitution, which is an atrocity that was allegedly cobbled together from the worst mistakes in constitutions of the world | Dec 31 15:21 |
| MinceR | it's not a problem if your design does stupid things as long as "others did it too" | Dec 31 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 31 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Even if you have a perfectly good feature list. | Dec 31 15:21 |
| oiaohm | If the people implmenting are not careful the item is a disaster. | Dec 31 15:22 |
| MinceR | very microsoftian thinking, believing that the "good feature list" makes the software good | Dec 31 15:22 |
| oiaohm | No before Microsoft. | Dec 31 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Commerical Unix use to have a who bigger competition over who had the best features before Microsoft joined the game. | Dec 31 15:23 |
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| MinceR | what did commercial unix stuff into the kernel that did not belong there? | Dec 31 15:23 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux kernel having text console processing running as ring 0 that comes straight from Unix. | Dec 31 15:24 |
| MinceR | at least there's a point to that | Dec 31 15:25 |
| MinceR | so naturally it has to go | Dec 31 15:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: UMS mode setting blocking kernel panic display comes from Unix. | Dec 31 15:25 |
| MinceR | what do minix and hurd do in that case? | Dec 31 15:26 |
| oiaohm | minix and hurd both can kernel panic safely by force setting the mode if required. | Dec 31 15:26 |
| oiaohm | So Minux and hurd you see kernel panic messages. | Dec 31 15:27 |
| MinceR | what sets the mode, the kernel? | Dec 31 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly minux allows usermode setting but also smartly puts own setting on kernel panic display. | Dec 31 15:28 |
| oiaohm | So minux case both do. | Dec 31 15:28 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 15:28 |
| MinceR | what does hurd do? | Dec 31 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Hurd is like KMS driver. | Dec 31 15:29 |
| oiaohm | so kernel. | Dec 31 15:29 |
| oiaohm | both solutions work. | Dec 31 15:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality there are a long long list of first attempts complete screw up. | Dec 31 15:30 |
| MinceR | yes, and redhat is trying to adopt all of the screwups | Dec 31 15:30 |
| MinceR | gotta catch 'em all | Dec 31 15:31 |
| oiaohm | You would call systemd redhat first really serous attempt to fix sysvinit limitations. | Dec 31 15:31 |
| MinceR | by adding much more severe limitations instead? | Dec 31 15:31 |
| MinceR | maybe they don't quite understand what "limitation" means | Dec 31 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Its not like ubuntu upstart did not cause some limitations either. | Dec 31 15:31 |
| oiaohm | seams to been sysvinit has been the elphant in the room as soon as someone attempts to fix it all hell breaks lose. | Dec 31 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Same has been true for when particular commerical unix attempted to switch away from sysvinit. | Dec 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | that would be because you're focusing on the dumb fucks trying to "fix" it with upstart and systemd | Dec 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | not on the dozens of better designed init/rc systems | Dec 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | A lot are not better. | Dec 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | yeah, that one particular commercial unix which is in your mind the One True Unix | Dec 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | the dozens just show how many times people have attempted. | Dec 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Unix init systems is a grave yard of failures. | Dec 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | "Solaris has always been an odd duckling among the *NIXen, which eschews many conventions that most others follow. | Dec 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | I for one find the hall-of-mirrors nature of the Solaris file system really fucking aggravating – last time I dealt with Solaris boxes, I was working on a system configured from a pile of directories and subdirectories haphazardly cross-linked between /etc/ and /usr/lib, which is absolutely fucking insane." | Dec 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | (source: http://pappp.net/?p=969 ) | Dec 31 15:34 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: now compare what you that decribed to how systemd lays out its unit files. | Dec 31 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Really systemd looks a hell of a lot like SMF | Dec 31 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Just done worse. | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | like the horrible parser bugs? | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | anyway, why do you systemd people pretend that unit files determine the behavior of services entirely? | Dec 31 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember SMF uses XML early version had a broken xml library great fun to boot with. | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | "pay no attention to what's in the binaries" | Dec 31 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Dec 31 15:37 |
| oiaohm | systemd does include watchdoging functionality. | Dec 31 15:37 |
| MinceR | it also includes the kitchen sink and flat tire | Dec 31 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Also what is better a unit file or having to define LSM settings like selinux,apparmor and so on to restrict application behavour to limit security risk. | Dec 31 15:38 |
| MinceR | you don't have to do either | Dec 31 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Please note unit files don't have to determine behaviour of services entirely. | Dec 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | They just include the option of doing that. | Dec 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Also sysvinit exactly how does bash script really depend on what is in the binary. | Dec 31 15:41 |
| MinceR | shell scripts are far more powerful than unit files | Dec 31 15:41 |
| MinceR | and before you bring up debian sysvinit rc scripts (yet another dead horse), look at bsd's rc scripts | Dec 31 15:41 |
| oiaohm | bsd rc scripts do become painful when having to use jails. | Dec 31 15:42 |
| MinceR | at least the parser that deals with them has documented, predictable behavior | Dec 31 15:42 |
| MinceR | unlike systemd which ignores lines it doesn't understand | Dec 31 15:42 |
| MinceR | silently | Dec 31 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Not silently. | Dec 31 15:43 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: For mysterious deaths, how about Jon Postel dying 9 months after he tried to decrease US control over the Net DNS root servers. | Dec 31 15:43 |
| MinceR | yes, silently | Dec 31 15:43 |
| oiaohm | systemd does in fact log lines it cannot process | Dec 31 15:43 |
| oiaohm | So not silently. | Dec 31 15:44 |
| MinceR | i still trust my source more than you | Dec 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | I have made broken unit files. | Dec 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Its like the claim that systemd does not report missing exec files. | Dec 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | from unit files when it does in the logs. | Dec 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | systemd does report those faults to the logs it could report it louder to the user. | Dec 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are a lot of things that systemd logs and keeps on booting where sysvinit and bsd solution could just die. | Dec 31 15:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, systemd just keeps on booting | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | while fsck is running | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | and sometimes it just fails to start services | Dec 31 15:47 |
| MinceR | and it SIGKILLs services without SIGTERM | Dec 31 15:48 |
| MinceR | but keep advertising it | Dec 31 15:48 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit has cases of failing to start services. | Dec 31 15:48 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Dec 31 15:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have giving you debian bugs on that before. | Dec 31 15:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really I am getting sick of your borken record on some of this stuff. | Dec 31 15:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i got sick of your cancerd apologism long ago. | Dec 31 15:49 |
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| oiaohm | You called me apologism then ingnores where you have stuff wrong. | Dec 31 15:50 |
| oiaohm | The SIGKILL on services with SIGTERM that is classed as a bug in systemd if it happens. | Dec 31 15:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, whoever doesn't love cancerd has stuff wrong | Dec 31 15:51 |
| MinceR | what is "cgroup notification is unreliable" classed as in systemd? | Dec 31 15:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html | Dec 31 15:52 |
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| MinceR | as in, the thing you've built your entire cargo cult around doesn't work | Dec 31 15:52 |
| oiaohm | SIGTERM goes out before SIGKILL | Dec 31 15:52 |
| MinceR | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170765 | Dec 31 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Other than where someone coder errored. | Dec 31 15:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, it clearly does | Dec 31 15:52 |
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| MinceR | which is why the shell has no time to save its history | Dec 31 15:53 |
| MinceR | right? | Dec 31 15:53 |
| MinceR | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/317 | Dec 31 15:53 |
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| MinceR | notice that this is over 4 years after they started forcing systemd on users in fedora 15 | Dec 31 15:53 |
| MinceR | they've been considering this mess stable for 4 years and it still fails at its most basic functionality | Dec 31 15:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 317 and 1170765 are both closed bugs because they were in the end fixed. | Dec 31 15:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically examples of historic issues in systemd caused by poor quality coding. | Dec 31 15:55 |
| MinceR | so, have they removed this FIXME yet? https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/743970d2ea6d08aa7c7bff8220f6b7702f2b1db7 | Dec 31 15:56 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: that FIXME is still there for kinda straight forwards reasons. That is systemd running cgroup and being unable to reach to the outside for monitoring. Basically what bus1/kdbus is required to fix. | Dec 31 15:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have waited until such things are fixed before advertising systemd as stable | Dec 31 16:00 |
| MinceR | maybe then they wouldn't have a reason to force it on people | Dec 31 16:00 |
| MinceR | if systemd was as great as you people think, people would willingly adopt it on their own | Dec 31 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways they should have started with the dbus/kdbus/bus1 issue first. | Dec 31 16:01 |
| oiaohm | To allow clean comunication between containers. | Dec 31 16:01 |
| oiaohm | SMF started with a IPC to allow zones to talk to other zones. | Dec 31 16:02 |
| MinceR | and if systemd was good enough to adopt on its own, there would be no need to abuse secret APIs and gratuitous dependencies to force it on people | Dec 31 16:02 |
| MinceR | SMF also started outside pid1 | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | First attempts of SMF was as PID1 | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Then it was moved out of PID1. | Dec 31 16:03 |
| oiaohm | But it took sun guys 4 months to work that out with SMF | Dec 31 16:03 |
| MinceR | for systemd, even 5 years weren't enough for that | Dec 31 16:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the big thing to remember with a cgroups or a Zones. Is the following memory, network , process id, userid, file system absoltely none of it may be shared. | Dec 31 16:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you want to complain about poor quality work on systemd I will not argue that is the fact. | Dec 31 16:06 |
| oiaohm | zones and cgroups do put need of a extra ipc for them. Also puts a need for the init system to be able to do extras. | Dec 31 16:07 |
| MinceR | they do not add the need for an entire dbus in the kernel, though | Dec 31 16:07 |
| MinceR | i wonder if not being allowed to share networking means the cgroups/zones are not allowed to talk to the host or anyone else | Dec 31 16:08 |
| oiaohm | I see the logic that trying to put dbus in kernel but with the historic example of tux webserver and others they should have known better. But people don't bother learning their history. | Dec 31 16:09 |
| MinceR | what's the point of networking if you're not allowed to talk to anyone? | Dec 31 16:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is the thing about zone and cgroups you could have something that only sees the interface of the vpn for example. So the fact that a local network address happens to match the vpn internal network map no flowl. | Dec 31 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you want to exactly control what stuff talked to. | Dec 31 16:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also I have a few games that want to connect to lobby server when only playing single player. | Dec 31 16:12 |
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| r_schestowitz | [15:43] <msb__> r_schestowitz: For mysterious deaths, how about Jon Postel dying 9 months after he tried to decrease US control over the Net DNS root servers. | Dec 31 17:09 |
| r_schestowitz | Never heard of it or him | Dec 31 17:09 |
| r_schestowitz | [15:16] <MinceR> which init system replacement had ntp built into it? | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | Wait, what? systemd has this too? | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | imagine security ramifications | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | NTP took a long time to mature | Dec 31 17:10 |
| MinceR | yup | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | still closing some vulns | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | well, bsd does | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | phk | Dec 31 17:10 |
| r_schestowitz | I think with LF money | Dec 31 17:11 |
| MinceR | and they insisted on using google's servers which worked in a non-standard way (divided leap seconds into drifting for a full day or so) and google didn't want them to use it | Dec 31 17:11 |
| MinceR | lendows is a train wreck, but that doesn't stop people like oiaohm from pretending it's the second coming | Dec 31 17:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682605209110081536 | Dec 31 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: How many times did M$ mess this kind of thing up @schestowitz ? Microsoft will inform on state-sponsored hacks https://t.co/OFhZ8lUitW | Dec 31 17:16 | |
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| msb__ | r_schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Dec 31 17:56 |
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| msb__ | On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident. | Dec 31 17:56 |
| msb__ | Age 55 | Dec 31 17:58 |
| XFaCE | [12:16:04]<r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682605209110081536 | Dec 31 18:08 |
| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: the question is why there are sucessful state-sponsored attack in the first place | Dec 31 18:09 |
| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: don't worry, trust Microsoft | Dec 31 18:09 |
| XFaCE | we have proof to back up why you should trust us; it's unfortunately proprietary proof tho | Dec 31 18:10 |
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| XFaCE | r_schestowitz: I'm assuming you covered that ZDnet article about the microsoft "linux certification"? | Dec 31 18:23 |
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| cubexyz | any more news about Ian Murdock? | Dec 31 19:10 |
| cubexyz | no reply from medical examiner :-/ | Dec 31 19:11 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Which others? | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | > There was also Barnaby Jack (2013). Who else? | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Don't know that one either. | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | XFaCE: I didn't | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | XFaCE: I wanted to | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | but I was very busy with EPO at that time | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | I posted some rants in Twitter, Diaspora, etc. maybe I managed it briefly in a post too, but nothing very detailed | Dec 31 19:23 |
| r_schestowitz | [18:09] <XFaCE> r_schestowitz: don't worry, trust Microsoft | Dec 31 19:24 |
| r_schestowitz | !google microsoft helps russia spy on activists | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Russian spy worked for Microsoft | Technology | The Guardian | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jul/14/russian-spy-worked-for-microsoft | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Russian Spy Scandal Reaches Microsoft - Mashable | http://mashable.com/2010/07/14/russian-spy-microsoft/ | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Windows Flaw Let Russian Hackers Spy On NATO, Report ... | http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/14/356167086/microsoft-windows-flaw-let-russian-hackers-spy-on-nato-report-says | Dec 31 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Other Tech Giants Active ... | http://conspiracy-watch.org/tech-giants-participation-with-nsa-confirmed-while-activists-launch-anti-spying-initiative/ | Dec 31 19:24 |
| r_schestowitz | wait, that's not the story, they stuffed it with another | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | in short, MS helps state-sponsored attacks by Putin on Russians | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | NSA against US | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | and perhaps many others | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | Can't think of China example, but Yahoo! is known for one such famous example | Dec 31 19:25 |
| r_schestowitz | will Microsoft tell people about state-sponsored attacks that Microsoft itself is aiding? :-) | Dec 31 19:26 |
| r_schestowitz | I thought about doing an article about it, maybe this weekend... | Dec 31 19:26 |
| XFaCE | [14:26:14]<r_schestowitz> will Microsoft tell people about state-sponsored attacks that Microsoft itself is aiding? :-) | Dec 31 19:28 |
| XFaCE | that's was my point exactly | Dec 31 19:28 |
| XFaCE | more marketing shams from Microsoft | Dec 31 19:28 |
| r_schestowitz | I put it in my drafts | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | I wasn't sure if there was much to add/say, but I think a short post might do | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | is this widespread in the news? | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | given that it's holiday? | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | if it becomes widespread, then responding becomes more important. I hardly follow MSFT news anymore. | Dec 31 19:29 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5270352/famous-hacker-barnaby-jacks-death-was-a-drug-overdose | Dec 31 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Famous hacker Barnaby Jack's death ruled a drug overdose | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/odbbi ] | Dec 31 19:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | The San Francisco medical examiner's office has ruled that the sudden death of the well-known hacker Barnaby Jack at the age of 36 was due to an accidental overdose from combining heroin, cocaine, Xanax, and Benadryl. | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Jack was an ingenious programmer from New Zealand best known for making an ATM spit out bills and figuring out how to wirelessly hack into medical devices, including a pacemaker and an insulin pump. He was scheduled to give a talk on the latter last year at the security conference Black Hat, where hackers present their exploits in order to make the public aware of cybersecurity vulnerabilities. His talk was one of the most anticipated at | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | the convention, but he died six days before he was supposed to give it, on July 25th of last year. | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Now I remember that case | Dec 31 19:33 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/682619068483039232 | Dec 31 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So? Blame lack of culture. When Shakespeare spoke of Westmoreland he referred to the duke. | Dec 31 19:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/682638944111095809 | Dec 31 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Researcher criticises 'weak' crypto in Internet of Things alarm system @schestowitz https://t.co/1tE5ux0UWR | Dec 31 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Researcher criticises 'weak' crypto in Internet of Things alarm system • The Register | Dec 31 19:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @HRBAUK @tuxmachines thanks for sharing tuxmachines, | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have a great Thursday :) (insight by | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gUZpyK4MbW) (commun.it) | Dec 31 19:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commun.it | Twitter Community Management Dashboard | Twitter Marketing Tool | Commun.it | Dec 31 19:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Week in Techrights https://t.co/ouelSx5FAl | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Dec 31 19:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odbcu | Dec 31 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Dec 31 19:48 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you might find this interesting | Dec 31 20:06 |
| cubexyz | I have one Fedora 14 machine... I don't use it very much | Dec 31 20:06 |
| cubexyz | so recently I wanted to install ksensors and old KDE 3 program | Dec 31 20:07 |
| cubexyz | it turns out Fedora 14 actually has a package for ksensors | Dec 31 20:07 |
| cubexyz | it ended up pulling in a bunch of KDE 3.5 stuff | Dec 31 20:08 |
| cubexyz | anyways, the end result is I think I can run KDE 3.5.10 stuff on Fedora 14 now | Dec 31 20:08 |
| MinceR | interesting | Dec 31 20:09 |
| MinceR | then again, 14 was still gnu/linux | Dec 31 20:09 |
| cubexyz | the last one I think | Dec 31 20:09 |
| cubexyz | guess I'll keep it around :) | Dec 31 20:09 |
| cubexyz | although it does have upstart instead of init | Dec 31 20:11 |
| MinceR | systemd makes upstart look good | Dec 31 20:19 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately ksensors is a bit of a hash job | Dec 31 20:22 |
| cubexyz | I'm still reworking KDE 3.5.10 stuff a lot | Dec 31 20:23 |
| cubexyz | there was karbon, I don't even remember what it does now | Dec 31 20:28 |
| cubexyz | the main additions I can remember were: krubik, krename, kalgebra and krusader | Dec 31 20:29 |
| cubexyz | there were a few other ones... abakus | Dec 31 20:30 |
| MinceR | karbon14? wasn't that a vector graphics editor? | Dec 31 20:35 |
| cubexyz | all I remember is that it used to be part of koffice | Dec 31 20:36 |
| cubexyz | you're probably right | Dec 31 20:36 |
| cubexyz | and f14 even has a package for it | Dec 31 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I did some thinking and the Times Square sphere is really an octahedron but with several iterations of triangular tesslations: | Dec 31 21:11 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/sphere_files/csphere.png | Dec 31 21:11 |
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| cubexyz | the times square one actually has more triangles on it | Dec 31 21:11 |
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| cubexyz | here's a pic of the 2011 version: | Dec 31 21:17 |
| cubexyz | http://cubeman.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg | Dec 31 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://cubeman.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg ) | Dec 31 21:17 | |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: That second one really is 404. | Dec 31 21:20 |
| cubexyz | weird | Dec 31 21:21 |
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| msb__ | I can't look at the parent directory, but I'm sure you can. | Dec 31 21:26 |
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| cubexyz | ok ok ok | Dec 31 21:36 |
| cubexyz | wrong domain :) | Dec 31 21:36 |
| cubexyz | http://maxhost.org/other/times-square-2011-ball.jpg | Dec 31 21:36 |
| msb__ | Nice! | Dec 31 21:37 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/spock-using-sliderule.jpg | Dec 31 21:43 |
| msb__ | What's the white thing? Instructions? | Dec 31 21:44 |
| cubexyz | I think it's an old flight computer | Dec 31 21:45 |
| cubexyz | E6-B | Dec 31 21:45 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E6B | Dec 31 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | E6B - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 31 21:46 | |
| cubexyz | spock uses it in 3 episodes :) | Dec 31 21:48 |
| msb__ | I don't remember that. Does it work for warp, too? | Dec 31 21:50 |
| cubexyz | the prop guy probably thought it looked futuristic enough for the show | Dec 31 21:51 |
| cubexyz | it can calculate fuel burn, but I doubt it calculates dithium crystal usage :) | Dec 31 21:52 |
| cubexyz | dilithium | Dec 31 21:53 |
| cubexyz | Matt Jefferies was a pilot, so was Roddenberry | Dec 31 21:54 |
| msb__ | what fuel did they use? | Dec 31 21:54 |
| msb__ | Did they keep the matter and antimatter in the two separate nacelles? | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | good question | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think they ever explained it | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | I think it would have been anti-hydrogen | Dec 31 21:56 |
| msb__ | The matter was just old orange peels and coffee grounds, but where did they get the antimatter? | Dec 31 21:56 |
| cubexyz | and I seem to remember something about deuterium | Dec 31 21:57 |
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| cubexyz | all techno-babble of course | Dec 31 21:58 |
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| msb__ | The dilithium crystals seemed to be a catalyst. | Dec 31 21:58 |
| cubexyz | within the context of the show the dilithium crystals regulated the matter/anti-matter reaction | Dec 31 22:01 |
| msb__ | I love the movie where the Borg chase them through a wormhole and they help the inventor of warp drive to launch the first one. | Dec 31 22:01 |
| msb__ | In Bozeman, Montana | Dec 31 22:01 |
| msb__ | And it's made out of an old ICBM | Dec 31 22:02 |
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| msb__ | First Contact | Dec 31 22:07 |
| schestowitz | whatapp is down | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | good time to convince people to dump this facebook-owned crap | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and maybe adopt some FOSS messengers | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | preferably with crypto, end to end | Dec 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/682589113556582401 | Dec 31 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Keep up the great work on EPO oissues in 2016! I'll still be blogging about a few select topics, sporadically including EPO | Dec 31 22:19 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Dec 31 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odb08 ] | Dec 31 22:35 | |
| msb__ | On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident. Age 55. | Dec 31 22:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't believe the hype: That GRUB backspace bug | Dec 31 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | wasn't a big deal https://t.co/I7cCsGhXo9 | Dec 31 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Don't believe the hype: That GRUB backspace bug wasn't a big deal | Tux Machines | Dec 31 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15.12 released | Dec 31 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Calculate Linux 15.12 released | Tux Machines | Dec 31 23:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | happy new year all (GMT) | Jan 01 00:22 |
| MinceR | hny | Jan 01 00:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ekVScwF.png | Jan 01 00:25 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXl8J_iWYAABxii.jpg | Jan 01 00:29 |
| cubexyz | ha | Jan 01 00:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/too-much-to-think.jpg | Jan 01 00:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 01 00:37 |
| MinceR | "Thought begets Heresy; Heresy begets Retribution." | Jan 01 00:39 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/thankfully-1984-did-not-happen-oh-no-windows-10.jpg | Jan 01 00:41 |
| MinceR | "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." | Jan 01 00:42 |
| MinceR | "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt" | Jan 01 00:42 |
| cubexyz | https://www.transcend.org/tms/2015/08/when-surveillance-is-a-feature-not-a-bug/ | Jan 01 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.transcend.org | TRANSCEND MEDIA SERVICE » When Surveillance Is a Feature, Not a Bug [ http://ur1.ca/odc7j ] | Jan 01 00:43 | |
| cubexyz | thankfully I'm safe from windows 10 | Jan 01 00:44 |
| cubexyz | my computers are too old to run it :) | Jan 01 00:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 01 00:44 |
| cubexyz | I actually don't feel forced to use any of the windows operating systems | Jan 01 00:47 |
| cubexyz | if I had more time I might poke through the NT 4.0 or win2k source | Jan 01 00:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ringing in 2016 with 64 open-spec, hacker | Jan 01 00:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | friendly SBCs https://t.co/sHlA04ULXh | Jan 01 00:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ringing in 2016 with 64 open-spec, hacker friendly SBCs | Tux Machines | Jan 01 00:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Jan 01 00:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Tux Machines | Jan 01 00:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being | Jan 01 00:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally | Jan 01 00:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Activates The Speaker https://t.co/zYUFJx1QLC | Jan 01 00:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally Activates The Speaker | Tux Machines | Jan 01 00:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Jan 01 01:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2015 - A Big Year 4 Linux | Tux Machines | Jan 01 01:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Ends The Year At 20.8 Million | Jan 01 01:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lines https://t.co/wTWxJPFSUH | Jan 01 01:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux Kernel Ends The Year At 20.8 Million Lines - Phoronix | Jan 01 01:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Week in Techrights https://t.co/ouelSx5FAl | Jan 01 01:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Jan 01 01:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | 16 best and worst Android features of 2015 | Jan 01 01:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being | Jan 01 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally | Jan 01 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Activates The Speaker https://t.co/T3d1hwXXs1 | Jan 01 01:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | The Next Version Of Android Wear Is Being Tested On The Huawei Watch, And It Finally Activates The Speaker | Jan 01 01:34 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MARS Replication System Still Worked On For | Jan 01 10:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Upstream Linux Kernel https://t.co/oLclAG6HI8 | Jan 01 10:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | MARS Replication System Still Being Worked On For Upstream Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jan 01 10:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CalculateLinux 15.12 released | Jan 01 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calculate-linux.org | Calculate Linux 15.12 released - Planet Calculate | Jan 01 10:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Calculate Linux 15.12 Released With Various Changes, Now Supports AMDGPU - Phoronix | Jan 01 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sunken, a hardcore action RPG with random | Jan 01 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | monsters and loot now on Linux | Jan 01 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XZmomnVMG4 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jan 01 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Sunken, a hardcore action RPG with random monsters and loot now on Linux | GamingOnLinux | Jan 01 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alienware's Steam Machine Is An Interesting | Jan 01 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Console Alternative https://t.co/HYycHL0uLi | Jan 01 11:11 |
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| oiaohm | http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39339.html Hmmm | Jan 01 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The current state of boot security | Jan 01 13:46 | |
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| MinceR | security theater | Jan 01 15:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if it was just theater it would be one thing. | Jan 01 16:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's also a war on the general purpose computer | Jan 01 16:04 |
| MinceR | "let microsoft decide what code gets to run on 'your' 'computer' so you'll be secure!" | Jan 01 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Sorry you have not watched the videos. | Jan 01 16:06 |
| oiaohm | One of the reasons why Microsoft Windows is lower rated is the fact it signing keys are so univeral. | Jan 01 16:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm not going to waste all my life on watching propaganda | Jan 01 16:07 |
| MinceR | this does make crApple's crap quality no warranty hardware seem more inviting, though | Jan 01 16:09 |
| MinceR | and just like you, Garrett can't see the elephant in the room either | Jan 01 16:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct you are missing the elephant as well. | Jan 01 16:16 |
| oiaohm | The issue is not Microsoft. | Jan 01 16:17 |
| MinceR | the issue i'm referring to is that despite all this wanking with uefi, restricted boot and treacherous computing, physical access still lets an attacker own your computer | Jan 01 16:19 |
| MinceR | just like DRM, it only punishes competitors in the IT industry and typical users | Jan 01 16:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: "Now, to be fair, there's attacks that even Windows and properly configured Linux will still be vulnerable to. Firmware defects that permit modification of System Management Mode code can still be used to circumvent these protections, and the Management Engine is in a position to just do whatever it wants and fuck all of you. " | Jan 01 16:21 |
| oiaohm | did you miss that in the link I gave. | Jan 01 16:21 |
| MinceR | did you miss all the propaganda in favor of uefi and treacherous computing in the link you have? | Jan 01 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft does not set what runs in the management engine. | Jan 01 16:22 |
| MinceR | s/hav/gav/ | Jan 01 16:22 |
| oiaohm | UEFI and TPM stuff does not start at Microsoft. | Jan 01 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Intel made the black box of Management Engine mode. | Jan 01 16:25 |
| MinceR | yet redhat and canonical went to m$ for permission to run their systems on uefi | Jan 01 16:26 |
| MinceR | somehow | Jan 01 16:26 |
| oiaohm | That was not in fact caused by Microsoft. | Jan 01 16:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you are completely missing the trouble. | Jan 01 16:27 |
| oiaohm | ODMs decided to implment limited PK settings and KEK settings. Not at Microsoft request. | Jan 01 16:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if was the ODMs that went to Microsoft and asked Microsoft to be the master signer. | Jan 01 16:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in fact it was the ODMs that choose todo that. | Jan 01 16:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the fact that m$ controls the ODMs by setting the price at which they sell winblows licenses to the ODMs | Jan 01 16:30 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't want you to care about that | Jan 01 16:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in fact ODM's wanted worse and Microsoft did not go along. | Jan 01 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Like systems that only accept OS disks made by the ODM. | Jan 01 16:31 |
| MinceR | by the way, how much arguing do you expect to make a "computer" you're locked out of to change its mind and let you run code you want to? | Jan 01 16:31 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: to correct the level of lock has reduced. | Jan 01 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember early UEFI motherboards you cannot change the PK or the KEK set in it. | Jan 01 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so since the only KEK set is Microsoft you are kinda required to deal with Microsoft to support those boards. | Jan 01 16:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: worse is Microsoft cannot update there KEK if it gets comprosied either. | Jan 01 16:35 |
| MinceR | and with every winblows version they pull the lock tighter | Jan 01 16:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is not the direction it going. | Jan 01 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Because if it was tighter why can we change the PK and KEK now on newer boards when we could not do that on older boards. | Jan 01 16:36 |
| MinceR | they could get away with it on ARM so they already locked ARM winblows devices down | Jan 01 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Newer arm in fact not the case. | Jan 01 16:36 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem nothing you are saying is lining up to the facts MinceR | Jan 01 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Of course I am not saying that we should back off presure to get more rights. | Jan 01 16:37 |
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| MinceR | remember the amount of pressure that was necessary to temporarily keep them from making restricted boot mandatory on x86 | Jan 01 16:38 |
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| oiaohm | Yet ODMs and Intel has still managed to get mandorary firmware signing in hardware embedded. | Jan 01 16:41 |
| MinceR | is that why the requirement to do so was in m$'s winblows logo requirements? | Jan 01 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jan 01 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft logo requirement does not mandate writing the signing keys into fuses. | Jan 01 16:42 |
| oiaohm | ODM's like the idea of having absolute control of the firmware. | Jan 01 16:42 |
| MinceR | tell me more about how m$ doesn't like having absolute control | Jan 01 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember ODM's are the ones who have come up with that if you change OS version that warnaty is void. | Jan 01 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Heck even install Windows updates result is voided. | Jan 01 16:44 |
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| MinceR | remember m$ was the main promoter of uefi and tc | Jan 01 16:44 |
| MinceR | still is | Jan 01 16:45 |
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| oiaohm | Not exactly so. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| MinceR | they're advertising those as if they, together with winblows, could guarantee your security | Jan 01 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Most of the advertising that has Microsoft branding on was in fact paid for by the ODMs. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Nice bit of false flag. | Jan 01 16:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6939168 | Jan 01 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #murdock kept complaining SF #police exceptionally "uneducated". Surely they didn't know #debian - probably use MS Word for SHOPPING LIST! | Jan 01 16:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "If you could gather all sources and write a full fledged article it would be great. We are all hearing bits and pieces while nothing concrete is reported. Somehow everytime I see another post about him I want to get to the bottom of this story. :(" | Jan 01 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | I'm planning to write about this when I get some missing bits. I know how to respond to the police report, but cause of death still an unknown. | Jan 01 16:49 |
| oiaohm | Really MinceR the amount of advertising Microsoft has done over UEFI and TC is quite min. ODM's really want to keep attention away from the fact that for as long as x86 has existed they have not be fixing security faults in firmware in a timely manager. | Jan 01 16:50 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrrzHjPC9p8 | Jan 01 16:50 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: is that why m$ requires uefi? | Jan 01 16:50 |
| MinceR | for winblows | Jan 01 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6939079 | Jan 01 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So far, based on reports, #sony has not been dumb enough (unlike before) to threaten lawsuits over #gnu #linux on PS http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2497306,00.asp | Jan 01 16:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | "When Sony finds out that this allows you to break the DRM and play copied games it will start to sue." | Jan 01 16:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | "How would they have grounds to sue? Surely it’s in everyone’s right to install a different OS." | Jan 01 16:51 |
| MinceR | looks like that right is being revoked | Jan 01 16:51 |
| r_schestowitz | a long time ago | Jan 01 16:52 |
| r_schestowitz | though it can help Sony claim more "sales" | Jan 01 16:52 |
| r_schestowitz | and market that to game devs | Jan 01 16:52 |
| r_schestowitz | as they did in the early days of PS3, 2007 IIRC, maybe 2006 | Jan 01 16:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Interesting enough secure boot in uefi starts by intel and ODM before Microsoft even gets the idea of adding it to their requirements list. | Jan 01 16:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember what I said if ODM had their way you would have to use like Dell/hp copy of Windows or it would not boot on Dell/Hp hardware. | Jan 01 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Same with any other OS you wanted to run. | Jan 01 16:56 |
| MinceR | and if m$ had their way you would have to use windows or your "computer" would not boot | Jan 01 16:56 |
| oiaohm | In fact no when Microsoft rejected that idea that allowed other parties to sign bootloaders using their keys. | Jan 01 16:56 |
| oiaohm | On the idea that systems could boot then change keys to the keys user wanted. | Jan 01 16:57 |
| MinceR | for a while | Jan 01 16:57 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/682968663956258817 | Jan 01 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz Women are usually easier to scare | Jan 01 16:57 | |
| MinceR | just until people accept restricted boot | Jan 01 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft wants to sell as much volume of software as possible. | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | they might even stage a false flag malware attack for your entertainment and as the excuse to close the final lock | Jan 01 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Not being able to update firmware keys could equal not being able to sell upgrades. | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, and apparently forcing computer users to buy their crap is the way | Jan 01 16:58 |
| oiaohm | So cut into Microsoft bottom line. | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | they can't make software good enough to buy | Jan 01 16:58 |
| MinceR | and neither can red hat | Jan 01 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have 1 motivation hardware companies have another. | Jan 01 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Of course software companies want to sell upgrades of software. Hardware companies want to sell upgrades of hardware. | Jan 01 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Guess what one will want to lock the firmware down the worse. | Jan 01 16:59 |
| MinceR | either way, the users lose | Jan 01 17:00 |
| MinceR | and the citizens lose | Jan 01 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Hardware companies blocking software updating allows forcing users to buy new motherboards and so on. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | So the worst for citizens is the hardware companies. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| msb__ | FOSS companies are motivated by public service (unless they're corrupted by systemd). | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have a reason to allow items like signing key changing. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure for-profit companies are motivated by profit | Jan 01 17:01 |
| MinceR | but making good products is a way to achieve that | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correct motivation by profit. | Jan 01 17:01 |
| MinceR | it's just not something m$, crApple and redcrap are capable of | Jan 01 17:01 |
| oiaohm | But software and hardware companies have different motivations to make the most profit. | Jan 01 17:02 |
| MinceR | also, taking over the government is a more certain position to get all the profit you want | Jan 01 17:02 |
| oiaohm | The worse for consumer is hardware companies having 100 percent their ways. | Jan 01 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember Microsoft and Redhat make very little hardware over all. | Jan 01 17:03 |
| MinceR | m$ is content to force their software on every bit of hardware out there | Jan 01 17:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also remember a software company cannot exist without hardware. | Jan 01 17:04 |
| MinceR | and redhat is content to be m$'s patsy | Jan 01 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Again you keep on thinking the problem is Microsoft. | Jan 01 17:04 |
| MinceR | that would probably because the problem is microsoft | Jan 01 17:05 |
| MinceR | s/ly/& be/ | Jan 01 17:05 |
| oiaohm | is not ODM with WIndows 7 refusing to support Windows 7 computers after the first application installed or update did not tell you something. | Jan 01 17:05 |
| MinceR | apparently you haven't read the m$ internal email about punishing dHell and other ODMs for offering GNU/Linux to customers | Jan 01 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Remember before Windows 7 microsoft was able to mandate in system builder contracts that ODM's did provide support. | Jan 01 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes I remember about that email MinceR but that is history. | Jan 01 17:06 |
| oiaohm | As soon as ODM managed to get Microsoft in court over those charging setups and win they have started pushing their own objectives. | Jan 01 17:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes they won just before the Windows 7 system builder contract from Microsoft had to be agreed to. | Jan 01 17:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the playing field has shifted in a big way. | Jan 01 17:08 |
| MinceR | tell us more about how m$ totally changed | Jan 01 17:09 |
| MinceR | they "love linux" now, don't they? | Jan 01 17:09 |
| oiaohm | I have not said that Microsoft has totally changed. | Jan 01 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft saying they love linux think when that happened. MinceR | Jan 01 17:09 |
| MinceR | and yes, court decisions had so much effect on m$ | Jan 01 17:09 |
| MinceR | that's why vista10 sets your default browser to ie and hides the UI for changing it back, right? | Jan 01 17:10 |
| MinceR | that's why all versions of winblows still come bundled with ie and wmp, right? | Jan 01 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Not all versions. | Jan 01 17:10 |
| MinceR | yeah, they had 2 boxed versions at the same price _once_ | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | of xp | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | none of the vista releases | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | nothing preloaded, ever | Jan 01 17:11 |
| MinceR | (also known as what actually gets sold) | Jan 01 17:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/media-player-is-missing-in-windows-10/5a66f236-0a86-4cb1-be83-dda144ea969b?auth=1 | Jan 01 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Media Player is missing in Windows 10. - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/odedc ] | Jan 01 17:12 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: out the box Windows 10 has no wmp. | Jan 01 17:12 |
| MinceR | i'm sure this is because of the EU decision that bans tying it to ie | Jan 01 17:12 |
| oiaohm | No | Jan 01 17:12 |
| MinceR | which is why it also has no ie, right? | Jan 01 17:12 |
| oiaohm | wrong | Jan 01 17:12 |
| MinceR | so much for the amusing idea of m$ having changed | Jan 01 17:13 |
| oiaohm | WMP is missing because ODM have stopped paying patent pools for codecs for Microsoft. | Jan 01 17:13 |
| oiaohm | So now Microsoft has to pay that. | Jan 01 17:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: things are not changing in Microsoft favour at all. | Jan 01 17:14 |
| MinceR | is that why non-m$ OS-es are more difficult to install on the latest "pc"-s than ever? | Jan 01 17:15 |
| MinceR | is that why redhat and canonical paid m$ for the privilege of letting users run their OS-es, for a while? | Jan 01 17:16 |
| MinceR | the actual change that's not in m$'s favor is that locked-down mobile devices that don't run winblows outsell anything that runs winblows | Jan 01 17:16 |
| MinceR | that's not much of an improvement in terms of letting the users choose what OS to install on their devices | Jan 01 17:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: You do strike server boards with only SUSE signing keys and no Microsoft keys. | Jan 01 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Why the ODM sold it as a SUSE Linux server board. | Jan 01 17:18 |
| MinceR | do you remember why suse failed and had to be bought by attackmate? | Jan 01 17:19 |
| oiaohm | And will not provide any support if you put any thing else include Windows/non suse Linux/BSD on it. | Jan 01 17:19 |
| MinceR | being on this channel, you should be aware who suse were | Jan 01 17:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/16/attachmate_micro_focus_merger/ | Jan 01 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/odeea ] | Jan 01 17:20 | |
| MinceR | suse was trying to destroy gnu/linux before redhat tried | Jan 01 17:20 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't be surprised if Roy found a link between this micro focus and m$ | Jan 01 17:22 |
| MinceR | just as there was one between attackmate and m$ | Jan 01 17:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www-304.ibm.com/partnerworld/gsd/solutiondetails.do?&solution=48035&lc=en | Jan 01 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-304.ibm.com | IBM - Micro Focus Enterprise Developer [ http://ur1.ca/odeek ] | Jan 01 17:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong direction completely. | Jan 01 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Micro Focus makes visual cobol for old school mainframe applications. | Jan 01 17:25 |
| MinceR | attachmate also targeted mainframes, afaict | Jan 01 17:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.attachmate.com/products/ really????? | Jan 01 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.attachmate.com | Products A-Z | Micro Focus | Jan 01 17:29 | |
| oiaohm | attachmate made software mostly to allow Windows to connect to Mainframes. | Jan 01 17:30 |
| oiaohm | Where Micro Focus has mostly made software to write and run applications on Mainframes. | Jan 01 17:30 |
| MinceR | can you see a connection there? | Jan 01 17:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: android and ipad software in the attachmate line appears after Micro Focus takes over. | Jan 01 17:34 |
| MinceR | and m$ already targeted those platforms too | Jan 01 17:35 |
| MinceR | they practically have their own android fork, cyanogen | Jan 01 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Attachment objective was to make Migration to Windows servers simpler by the products they made. | Jan 01 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Micro Focus make migration the other way to Linux and Unix simpler. | Jan 01 17:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically the ground always changing. | Jan 01 17:37 |
| oiaohm | Attachment was setup and started by Microsoft people. Micro Focus comes out of Unix Borland... fairly much everyone who has decided to fight with Microsoft and lost that Microsoft has not managed to aquire. | Jan 01 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically a lot of things not going in Microsoft favor | Jan 01 17:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://copperhead.co/android/ Also this appeared very quickly after the cyanogen Microsoft deal. | Jan 01 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://copperhead.co/android/ ) | Jan 01 17:45 | |
| MinceR | so? | Jan 01 17:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also cyanogen lost a lot of ODM deals as well. | Jan 01 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Dealing with Microsoft ODMs hate in the first place. | Jan 01 17:49 |
| MinceR | shouldn't be surprising after what they did to OnePlus | Jan 01 17:49 |
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| r_schestowitz | [17:22] <MinceR> i wouldn't be surprised if Roy found a link between this micro focus and m$ | Jan 01 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | No strong link | Jan 01 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | [17:20] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/odeea ] | Jan 01 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | SUSE Linux owner Attachmate gobbled by Micro Focus for $2.3bn • The Register | Jan 01 18:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | Novell alone used to be worth more than this | Jan 01 18:19 |
| r_schestowitz | What happens to SUSE today?\ | Jan 01 18:20 |
| r_schestowitz | The MS deal expired today | Jan 01 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: New snapshot came to Tumbleweed. | Jan 01 18:20 |
| r_schestowitz | I know | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | but it's not related to the MS deal | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | !google suse microsoft deal 2016 | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement ... | https://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft kicks SUSE another $100m • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/25/microsoft_suse_deal_renewed/ | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Ubuntu, Microsoft & SUSE (Bermuda) Triangle | FOSS Force | http://fossforce.com/2015/03/the-ubuntu-microsoft-suse-bermuda-triangle/ | Jan 01 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/ | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | see [1] | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | and [2] | Jan 01 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | "The new $100m deal runs through January 2016." | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | doesn't seem to have much to do with patents anymore | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | more like 'marketing help' | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | helping to push SUSE | Jan 01 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | "(The net cost to Attachmate was less than half of that, however, thanks to the cash Novell had on hand and another $450m that a consortium led by Microsoft paid for 880 of Novell's patents.)" | Jan 01 18:23 |
| r_schestowitz | Didn't know it was LED by MSFT | Jan 01 18:23 |
| r_schestowitz | That's new to me | Jan 01 18:23 |
| r_schestowitz | the press release does not mention patents | Jan 01 18:24 |
| r_schestowitz | so there might not be any serious impact to the expiration | Jan 01 18:24 |
| r_schestowitz | other than SUSE losing the preferential treatment from MSFT | Jan 01 18:24 |
| r_schestowitz | "Although it was not obvious at the time, Microsoft didn't just give away SUSE Linux licenses for free, but rather charged customers for the SLES support licenses. "They're competitively priced, they are not just handed out to the customer for free," explains Frank Rego, senior product manager at SUSE, the Linux division that was carved out separately from the rest of Novell after Attachmate took control of it back in April." | Jan 01 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | I think I'll just leave that for now | Jan 01 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | the only angle worth exploring it was already explored by Sam varghese | Jan 01 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | !google Sam varghese suse 2016 novell | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - iTWire - With Microsoft and Red Hat in bed, what happens to SUSE? | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/70213-with-microsoft-and-red-hat-in-bed-what-happens-to-suse | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - iTWire - Microsoft unwilling to comment on extension of SUSE deal | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/70279-microsoft-unwilling-to-comment-on-extension-of-suse-deal | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - iTWire - SUSE has plans to increase staffing | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/67082-suse-has-plans-to-increase-staffing | Jan 01 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Boycotting Micro Focus International | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2014/11/23/boycott-micro-focus/ | Jan 01 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/682990454720221184 | Jan 01 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mmasnick: @schestowitz @wendycockcroft @TimCushing @techdirt not nearly enough is known to write anything | Jan 01 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | Exactly what I said... | Jan 01 18:32 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/682992842759888897 | Jan 01 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @byoblu @reportrai3 @Serv_Pubblico @LaGabbiaTw @wallstreetita @fattoquotidiano @ilgiornale @POLITICOEurope https://t.co/Gqtw9d8VGN | Jan 01 18:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Meeting the EPO's PR Team and Learning Its Dirty Tricks https://t.co/skAL6kkpqg #epo #patents | Jan 01 18:33 | |
| msb__ | Since Suse has adopted systemd it's useless garbage anyhow. | Jan 01 18:37 |
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| r_schestowitz | not just suse | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | same with *buntus and I assume debian | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | because I dumped kde | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | and still see the same symptoms | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | just less weight induced by KDE, but still laggy, weird | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | so it must be something new, added after 2013 | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | the 2013 releases still worked well | Jan 01 18:40 |
| r_schestowitz | now it's worse than ever, even on this decent hardware | Jan 01 18:41 |
| r_schestowitz | but not sure how to prove it systemd's fault (IF it is) | Jan 01 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | r_schestowitz: Tell what's wrong exactly. | Jan 01 18:41 |
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| XRevan86 | pff | Jan 01 18:41 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What is wrong exactly? | Jan 01 18:42 |
| schestowitz | with novell? | Jan 01 18:46 |
| schestowitz | suse? | Jan 01 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: With Ubuntu + GNOME. | Jan 01 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You were saying about symptoms. | Jan 01 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | some symptoms I noticed: | Jan 01 19:00 |
| schestowitz | kdm or other [X]dm a bit unreliable | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | desktop shows up after applications show up | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | startup slower | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | (overall) | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | sometimes applications take a long time to show up | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | even small applications | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | very long lag | Jan 01 19:01 |
| schestowitz | moving windows around, esp. in kwin was poor non-performant | Jan 01 19:02 |
| schestowitz | but might be a KDE issue | Jan 01 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What GPU do you have? | Jan 01 19:02 |
| schestowitz | ARI Radeon | Jan 01 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | AMD* | Jan 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | ATI | Jan 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | owned by AMD, yes, but they still used the ATI brand at the time, as they had promised | Jan 01 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: With fglrx? | Jan 01 19:03 |
| schestowitz | not sure | Jan 01 19:03 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There are three drivers out there: radeon, amdgpu and fglrx (catalyst) | Jan 01 19:04 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: radeon is the Mesa's driver that is there for a while, fglrx is the "blob" from AMD, and amdgpu is a FOSS development from AMD. | Jan 01 19:05 |
| MinceR | suse was useless garbage even before it adopted systemd | Jan 01 19:05 |
| MinceR | it was the worst distro before fedora 15 came out | Jan 01 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't really know the drill about all that though. | Jan 01 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | Still, if your videoadapter is new, xf86-video-radeon might not support 3D for it. | Jan 01 19:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: suse was great before it adopted systemd. What are you talking about? | Jan 01 19:07 |
| MinceR | for example, opensuse's netinstall attempt | Jan 01 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: … works | Jan 01 19:07 |
| MinceR | which had the user type in the ip address of their ftp server and the path on it | Jan 01 19:07 |
| MinceR | it makes it pretty obvious that they didn't care even back then | Jan 01 19:08 |
| MinceR | obtaining missing packages for SLES/SLED was also a pain in the ass | Jan 01 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | > desktop shows up after applications show up | Jan 01 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | Well, that's all in session's domain. | Jan 01 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | maybe it's the same issue as "sometimes applications take a long time to show up" | Jan 01 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | (maybe gnome-shell and plasma are affected) | Jan 01 19:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: so you're saying that a few seconds of typing made it "useless garbage"? | Jan 01 19:10 |
| MinceR | i'm saying that they didn't even care enough to put that info on their netinstall image | Jan 01 19:10 |
| MinceR | or to resolve a domain name | Jan 01 19:10 |
| schestowitz | it's not likely reducible to just a GPU issue | Jan 01 19:10 |
| schestowitz | see above some of the symptoms | Jan 01 19:11 |
| MinceR | there was also the keyboard repeat issue after the install | Jan 01 19:11 |
| msb__ | You're an idiot. | Jan 01 19:11 |
| MinceR | no, you're an idiot | Jan 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | the kwin slowness is eliminated mostly by dropping kwin/composite | Jan 01 19:11 |
| MinceR | but hey, if that level of quality is "stable" to you, have fun with lendows | Jan 01 19:11 |
| msb__ | Now you're totally lying. | Jan 01 19:11 |
| schestowitz | suse was good before ubuntu | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | then ubuntu became better in almost every way | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | afaict it was never good | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | and later came ubuntu derivs with other DEs, like SUSE | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | yast2 was good | Jan 01 19:12 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You and oiaohm deserve each other. | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | i don't think suse was an ubuntu derivative | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | and there were other suse tools which gave it an edge | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | seeing how it uses rpm and zypper | Jan 01 19:12 |
| schestowitz | it's not, I didn't say it was | Jan 01 19:12 |
| MinceR | msb__: you deserve *suse and lendows | Jan 01 19:13 |
| msb__ | yast2 was great, the community was very helpful, and the distro was very well maintained. | Jan 01 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Are you on GNOME now? | Jan 01 19:14 |
| schestowitz | no, plain openbox | Jan 01 19:14 |
| schestowitz | no docks/panels | Jan 01 19:14 |
| schestowitz | wallpaper with feh | Jan 01 19:14 |
| MinceR | yeah, it was so well maintained they couldn't even be bothered to do a call to gethostbyname() | Jan 01 19:15 |
| MinceR | thankfully i didn't have to do much with *suse | Jan 01 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log | Jan 01 19:15 |
| MinceR | then came the novell deal, then came systemd | Jan 01 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | what: radeon, amdgpu or fglrx? | Jan 01 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | or vesa? :) | Jan 01 19:16 |
| msb__ | I just downloaded the DVD ISO. The novell deal didn't hurt anything. | Jan 01 19:16 |
| MinceR | except gnu/linux, and the FLOSS community | Jan 01 19:16 |
| MinceR | but who cares about those? | Jan 01 19:17 |
| msb__ | It had no actual effect. You are just lying. | Jan 01 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | Now there's no Novell and patents are in Microsoft's hands. | Jan 01 19:20 |
| msb__ | But microshit never did any actual patent attacks, did it? | Jan 01 19:21 |
| MinceR | they did FUD and they threatened, maybe also sued android device makers over linux | Jan 01 19:21 |
| MinceR | i think TR covers all that pretty well | Jan 01 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://perens.com/blog/2015/12/31/ian-murdock-dead/ | Jan 01 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | Ian Murdock dead | Bruce Perens [ http://ur1.ca/odeq9 ] | Jan 01 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: CPTN | Jan 01 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about this tomorrow | Jan 01 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Wrong highlight? :) | Jan 01 19:25 |
| msb__ | In any case the opensuse maintainers did very well, and could not be held responsible for anything the shit corporate owners did. Until systemd. | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | To those of you who blame the police he encountered twice before his suicide: not this time. Ian died a victim of mental illness. | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | It’s horrible that such a genius, someone who did so much good, should have such a meaningless, unfair, undignified death. | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 19:25 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <XRevan86> Now there's no Novell and patents are in Microsoft's hands. | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: not wrong | Jan 01 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: In Microsoft's proxy hands? | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | unless you're schizo ;-) | Jan 01 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | (22:20:33) msb__: But microshit never did any actual patent attacks, did it? | Jan 01 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I thought it's an answer to | Jan 01 19:26 |
| msb__ | What police say can _never_ be trusted. | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does attack with patents | Jan 01 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell fueled their attacks | Jan 01 19:27 |
| schestowitz | !google novell intellectual property peace of mind | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Microsoft-Novell Linux deal: Two years later | InfoWorld | http://www.infoworld.com/article/2654097/linux/the-microsoft-novell-linux-deal--two-years-later.html | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Touts Novell Interop Benefits -- Redmondmag.com | https://redmondmag.com/articles/2010/06/21/microsoft-cites-success-of-novell-linux-interop-deal.aspx | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft makes Linux pact with Novell - CNET | http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-makes-linux-pact-with-novell/ | Jan 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Intellectual Property Expansion | News Center | http://news.microsoft.com/2004/11/10/microsoft-intellectual-property-expansion/ | Jan 01 19:27 |
| msb__ | I'm not justifying anything that novell or microshit did. I'm saying that before systemd opensuse was an excellent distro - easy to use, and easy to get help for. | Jan 01 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: I can as well say that didn't change. | Jan 01 19:28 |
| MinceR | yes, and anyone who had issues with *suse is "lying" and is an "idiot" | Jan 01 19:29 |
| MinceR | apparently | Jan 01 19:29 |
| msb__ | systemd is 36 megabytes of incomprehensible source code, and people are reporting all sorts of problems with it. It ruined the simple structure of Linux. | Jan 01 19:30 |
| schestowitz | 36 megs? | Jan 01 19:30 |
| schestowitz | data files included? | Jan 01 19:30 |
| schestowitz | or just sources? | Jan 01 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Data files included. | Jan 01 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "Yet Corel and Microsoft are wasting all sorts of money in court with design patents. Are they trying to prove that you can still make problems if you have enough money and are not a “troll”?" | Jan 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6938720 | Jan 01 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/682621512428343296 | Jan 01 19:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Software Patents Used by Patent Trolls in the United States Are Squashed in Courts https://t.co/yeBaVv8DsR | Jan 01 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: that's too much, too fast | Jan 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | not mature, for sure | Jan 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and surely not enough developers have looked through it to fix, improve, revise | Jan 01 19:32 |
| msb__ | Even this summary is incomprehensible: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Jan 01 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Jan 01 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jan 01 19:34 |
| msb__ | Is that the name of a new arthritis drug? Usually they're longer than that. | Jan 01 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why do you use Ubuntu in the first place, BTW? | Jan 01 19:37 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Are you OK? | Jan 01 19:38 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 01 19:40 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I used the first version when I worked for MCC | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | where the first gnu/linux was made | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I worked with its founder | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | the distro was called MCC | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Owen LeBlanc made it, not many people recognised this achievement of his | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | someone who worked with me at ISBE gave me the Ubuntu CD | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | 4.04 | Jan 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | 4.10 I mean | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | told me about this astronaut guy who made a simpler debian | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | up until then I was a Red Hat and more so SUSE person | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I still was for a few years | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | later mandriva | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | some Kubuntu | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | it's mso | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | *mostly the same anyway | Jan 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | just different packaging and glitter | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | I assume you didn't mean MCC Interim Linux | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I did | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | or maybe you did... :) | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | !google MCC Interim Linux | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - MCC Interim Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCC_Interim_Linux | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - A Short History of Linux Distributions [LWN.net] | https://lwn.net/Articles/91371/ | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - History of Early Linux Distros - Make Tech Easier | https://www.maketecheasier.com/history-of-early-linux-distros/ | Jan 01 19:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - MCC Linux 1.0 - Terasaur | http://terasaur.org/item/show/mcc-linux-1-0/6517 | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I even fixed Wikipedia once | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | ok, that was one of the earliest distros | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | when it stated something incorrect | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | it was the first | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | it might have even been the first one | Jan 01 19:43 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jan 01 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ugh, I mean now… | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Owen got gnu and linux over FTP | Jan 01 19:43 |
| schestowitz | he did a phd in philosophy or something at the time | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | first to combine Linux AND GNU | Jan 01 19:44 |
| cubexyz | but if you used MCC Linux, did you stick with Linux all the way since then? | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | not me | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | I only started using GNU/Linux years later | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat was my first | Jan 01 19:44 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Jan 01 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the point was, I used the first Ubuntu | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | not many people did | Jan 01 19:45 |
| cubexyz | I remember those days | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | and I installed it on my production/main machine at work | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | at MCC | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Manchester Computing Centre | Jan 01 19:45 |
| cubexyz | I assume that is where MCC Linux got it's name? | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Been going through some transition since UMIST and Victoria U of Manchester merged | Jan 01 19:45 |
| schestowitz | A lot of my colleagues at the time retired, left, laid off, relocated etc. | Jan 01 19:46 |
| cubexyz | Owen Le Blanc, yes | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | as functions of people moved around a bit, I left in 2007 IIRC | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | or 2006 | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Last I heard Owen worked as the IT person in MBS, Manchester Business School | Jan 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | the UoM one, opposite to where I lived for 6 years | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | even more, 7.5 almost | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | where my ex g/f studied | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | she went back to China | Jan 01 19:47 |
| cubexyz | Got some more history for you. did you know Queen Mary College in London used Unix v6 back in 1975? | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Owen never got much out of MCC | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | let alone recognition | Jan 01 19:47 |
| cubexyz | fairly recently I re-discovered that | Jan 01 19:47 |
| schestowitz | he worked as a fairly ordinary person | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | better known for his phd than for his work on GNU and Linux | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't know Unix versions so well | Jan 01 19:48 |
| cubexyz | yes, sometimes people don't get much credit | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Ian too | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | except the name of the distro | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Was LF CTO for a while | Jan 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | failed at progeny | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | which Perens owned | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | failed at Sun in a way | Jan 01 19:49 |
| cubexyz | but my point was that schools in the UK did know about Unix | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | their distro never went far | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | joined docker only very recently | Jan 01 19:49 |
| cubexyz | it's just a shame it didn't chance on more what with all the windows nonsense | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | and not at a very high position/level | Jan 01 19:49 |
| cubexyz | s/chance/catch/ | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | UNIX was a Bell thing, so US... | Jan 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I can't imagine Russia and China relying much on it | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | unless they trusted US telecom in the Cold War era | Jan 01 19:50 |
| cubexyz | it was pretty significant in the Anglosphere if you pardon the term :) | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | which did lots of SIGINT | Jan 01 19:50 |
| cubexyz | USA, Canada, Australia, UK | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | also unix commands are english | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | the whole unix/posix/universal thing is very Five Eyes | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | even if you work in russia | Jan 01 19:50 |
| schestowitz | imagine ukranian and russian crackers gaving to learn english to just interpret commands | Jan 01 19:51 |
| cubexyz | Russians copied DEC computers, so they also copied Unix | Jan 01 19:51 |
| schestowitz | when cracking servers almost anywhere in the world | Jan 01 19:51 |
| schestowitz | in china I guess you could have single-character commands | Jan 01 19:51 |
| cubexyz | Canada isn't too bad with Unix adoption | Jan 01 19:52 |
| *XRevan86 lost track. | Jan 01 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | so a complicated script with no numerics would be very concise | Jan 01 19:52 |
| cubexyz | not great, but not terrible | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | a 6-letter word can be a long malicious script | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | taboo "word" | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Corel is Canadian IIRC | Jan 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Toronto maybe | Jan 01 19:52 |
| cubexyz | no, Ottawa | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | it had xandros | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | which was NY-based at one time at least | Jan 01 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | Programming is all about English, so UNIX doesn't highlight much on the background. | Jan 01 19:53 |
| cubexyz | they probably have an office in Toronto though | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Toronto is close to NY | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | i4i is also Canadian | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | another office suite thing | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | but more parasitic, almost a troll | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Now MS attacks Corel with patents | Jan 01 19:53 |
| MinceR | i4i, tooth4tooth? | Jan 01 19:53 |
| schestowitz | making Corel look like the abuser | Jan 01 19:53 |
| cubexyz | not really a fan of Corel, even though it is Canadian | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: an eye for an eye | Jan 01 19:54 |
| cubexyz | but on the bright side, Vector Linux and OpenBSD is Canadian | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | troll attacks bigger trolls | Jan 01 19:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/I4i_vs_Microsoft | Jan 01 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | I4i vs Microsoft - Techrights | Jan 01 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | lots of articles about just this one case | Jan 01 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I remember writing some of them, I wonder if i4i is defunct now | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | or still around as a site, but not many clients to keep the staff salaried | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They got backstabbed by MS | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They looked at what they do | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | and then ripped them off | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | typical MS, so it's not a plain/classic patent case | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | More like classic EEE from MS | Jan 01 19:55 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but de raadt is from SA originall | Jan 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | that's like saying Ubuntu is English | Jan 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | because of London HQ and tax evasion through Isle of Man | Jan 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | !google shuttleworth south africa tax | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - South African Reserve Bank and Another v Shuttleworth and ... - Saflii | http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZACC/2015/17.html | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Shuttleworth loses R250m exit charge case in ConCourt | News ... | http://mg.co.za/article/2015-06-18-shuttleworth-loses-r250m-exit-charge-case-in-concourt | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - SA billionaire Shuttleworth loses R250 million tax case - BusinessTech | http://businesstech.co.za/news/wealth/90984/sa-billionaire-shuttleworth-loses-r250-million-tax-case/ | Jan 01 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Shuttleworth tax battle explained | Fin24 | http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Financial-Services/Shuttleworth-tax-battle-explained-20150618 | Jan 01 19:56 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, he lives in Calgary so.... | Jan 01 19:57 |
| cubexyz | I wasn't born in Canada either :) | Jan 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | "Yet Corel and Microsoft are wasting all sorts of money in court with design patents. Are they trying to prove that you can still make problems if you have enough money and are not a “troll”?" | Jan 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6938720 | Jan 01 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/682621512428343296 | Jan 01 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Software Patents Used by Patent Trolls in the United States Are Squashed in Courts https://t.co/yeBaVv8DsR | Jan 01 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: England? | Jan 01 19:57 |
| cubexyz | Northern Ireland :) | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Ah, yes | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I recall something like that | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if you kept the accent | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | a lot of east asians and russia (n asia) move to Canada these days, I think | Jan 01 19:58 |
| cubexyz | no, I was only 1.5 years old when my folks immigrated | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I knew English people who moved to Canada and came back | Jan 01 19:58 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ah, OK | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | so you're like Matthew Garrett | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | also born around there | Jan 01 19:59 |
| cubexyz | well, did my audio blogs sound Irish? I doubt it :) | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | can't recall if it was belfast or some small town | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | !google Matthew Garrett born ireland | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Matthew Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Garrett | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - GARRETT Genealogy & Family History - FREE | http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/GARRETT | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Garrett - Surnames - Genealogy.com | http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/garrett/ | Jan 01 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Saint Patrick - New World Encyclopedia | http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Saint_Patrick | Jan 01 19:59 |
| cubexyz | yes, Belfast for me | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: doesn't sound so | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | which is why it baffled me | Jan 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | People mistake my accent for Canadian | Jan 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | the most common guess people come up with | Jan 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | "Born Galway, Ireland' | Jan 01 20:00 |
| cubexyz | you didn't sound English to me either :) | Jan 01 20:00 |
| cubexyz | I couldn't place your accent | Jan 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | "Garrett filed a complaint with US Customs against Fusion Garage due to violations of the GPL" | Jan 01 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | somebody give me a recording of schestowitz :) | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Fairly comprehensive a Wikipedia article about a person not so significant, IMHO | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Nobody wrote a Wikipedia article about me, feel free to start one (cannot write about onself) | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | *oneself | Jan 01 20:01 |
| cubexyz | Garrett was born in Ireland? | Jan 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/category/techbytes/ | Jan 01 20:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/bq5m0 ] | Jan 01 20:01 | |
| schestowitz | or http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/TechBytes | Jan 01 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/atg04 ] | Jan 01 20:02 | |
| cubexyz | I wonder if there's an irish distro | Jan 01 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Does techrights.org have issues now? | Jan 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | no, why? Slow? | Jan 01 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | it keeps "server not found" | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: none I could think of | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Was that Kieran guy who made the thing before Solus Irish? | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Or just his name? | Jan 01 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | there, opened | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | He stepped down either way, got a job somewhere | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I used to think Clem was Irish | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I think French | Jan 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | vhttp://archive09.linux.com/articles/129740 | Jan 01 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive09.linux.com | Linux.com :: Celebrate St. Patrick's Day, Linux-style [ http://ur1.ca/odev0 ] | Jan 01 20:04 | |
| cubexyz | Mint? | Jan 01 20:04 |
| cubexyz | isn' | Jan 01 20:04 |
| cubexyz | t Mint irish? | Jan 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62159733 | Jan 01 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boards.ie | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/odev1 ] | Jan 01 20:04 | |
| schestowitz | Wait, seems possible | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe clem moved | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | " My email address is clem AT linuxmint DOT com. And I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. " | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | " And many laptops I see in College are using it, I have mentioned to people that it was an Irish disto, most people were not aware of this." | Jan 01 20:05 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS is german | Jan 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://lmelinux.net/2014/07/24/interview-clem-leader-linux-mint/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'lmelinux.net' ( status 0 @ http://lmelinux.net/2014/07/24/interview-clem-leader-linux-mint/ ) | Jan 01 20:06 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: English like English | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | "Clement Lefebvre" | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | very French name | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | EPO has a Lefebvre | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights Lefebvre | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - 2015 November 21 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/11/21/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux Mint Founder Does Not Follow Ubuntu's Banshee ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/14/no-interest-in-banshee/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Benefits of Ubuntu's Derivatives: MATE, Cinnamon, and ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/12/08/ubuntu-derivatives/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2015 November 20 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/ | Jan 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | but with the French accent on it | Jan 01 20:07 |
| cubexyz | but Mint has systemd in it :-/ | Jan 01 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: As an Ubuntu derivative… duh | Jan 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint | Jan 01 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Linux Mint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 01 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | No article about Clem in Wikipedia | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | which really shows where Wikipedia fails | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | long article about MS SJW with journal/blogspot crap | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | and none about Clem | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | with the most popular distro in DW | Jan 01 20:08 |
| cubexyz | what would you say is the most popular non-systemd distro? | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | The Wikipedia article doesn't mention a country | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | so I guess it's country-neutral | Jan 01 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Gentoo | Jan 01 20:08 |
| schestowitz | but we know Clem hates Israel (apologised for saying so later) | Jan 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | that could be either a French or Irish thing ;-) | Jan 01 20:09 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Clement+Lefebvre&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go nothing there | Jan 01 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Clement Lefebvre - Search results - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odevw ] | Jan 01 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://helpforlinux.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/minty-chat-with-mr-clement-lefebvre.html | Jan 01 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-helpforlinux.blogspot.co.uk | Help For Linux: Minty Chat with Mr. Clement Lefebvre [ http://ur1.ca/odew2 ] | Jan 01 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Clement+Lefebvre&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go" | Jan 01 20:10 |
| schestowitz | " Linux Mint is designed in Ireland and conforms to both Irish and European law." | Jan 01 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Interview-Clement-Lefebvre-Linux-Mint-52754.shtml | Jan 01 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Interview: Clement Lefebvre, Linux Mint [ http://ur1.ca/odew6 ] | Jan 01 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | maybe Frenchman living in Ireland | Jan 01 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Or Irish with French roots | Jan 01 20:11 |
| cubexyz | I don't really think about countries + linux that much | Jan 01 20:12 |
| cubexyz | I just use what I use | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/ | Jan 01 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Jan 01 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 1 Mint 3111< | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 2 Debian 1931> | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 3 Ubuntu 1529> | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Not change much for a long time | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | watch debian rising | Jan 01 20:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe related to Ian | Jan 01 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | distrowatch is doubtfully a good source for distro popularity stats | Jan 01 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | not that there's any other | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | hmmm. maybe not | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | "12 months: 2 (1,810), 6 months: 2 (1,931), 3 months: 2 (1,944), 4 weeks: 2 (1,878), 1 week: 2 (1,975)" | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian | Jan 01 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Debian GNU/Linux [ http://ur1.ca/odewb ] | Jan 01 20:13 | |
| cubexyz | everyone seems to talk about Ubuntu though | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | !google linspire games distrowatch | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - DistroWatch.com: Linspire | http://distrowatch.com/linspire | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Distribution Release: Linspire 6.0 (DistroWatch.com News) | http://distrowatch.com/4523 | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Interview: Adam Williamson - DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into ... | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php%3Fissue%3D20070618 | Jan 01 20:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Spanish | http://distrowatch.com/index.php%3Flanguage%3DES%26 | Jan 01 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | Distrowatch makes statistic basing on clicks on distro pages on Distrowatch. | Jan 01 20:13 |
| cubexyz | or rather people who talk about Linux talk about Ubuntu | Jan 01 20:13 |
| schestowitz | when does a linspire with KDE Framework 5 come out? | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and with CNR | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and MS fonts | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | liencesed fully | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | !google linspire eye blow piracy | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » Pre-installing Linux | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100 | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - React OS:Here comes the Windows Nemesis! | Tux Enclave. | https://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/react-oshere-comes-the-windows-nemesis/ | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft has ruined Windows ! - VideoHelp Forum | http://forum.videohelp.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D2425701 | Jan 01 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2009 November 18 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/11/18/ | Jan 01 20:14 |
| cubexyz | I thought linspire was dead? | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | xandros too | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it was bought out | Jan 01 20:14 |
| schestowitz | now MS wants to kill even the papa of xandros | Jan 01 20:15 |
| cubexyz | they are saying Murdock was a suicide :-/ | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | unless we can ensure MS is dead, first... | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's OK, MS loves Linux now... | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Come here, Sayta, gimma a hug | Jan 01 20:15 |
| schestowitz | *gimme | Jan 01 20:15 |
| cubexyz | http://insightticker.com/2016/01/01/3244/police-proved-that-ian-murdock-death-is-an-apparent-suicide/ | Jan 01 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insightticker.com | Police Proved That Ian Murdock Death Is An Apparent Suicide [ http://ur1.ca/odewl ] | Jan 01 20:15 | |
| schestowitz | probably | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | based on what I read he was close to it before | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and the police contributed to this | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | nah, I don't believe for a second Microsoft loves Linux | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I do | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I can feel it | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | they just want to make $$$ from it | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | you only hurt someone you love | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft loves $$$ :) | Jan 01 20:16 |
| schestowitz | they have kinky love | Jan 01 20:16 |
| cubexyz | seems like Ian Murdock flipped out | Jan 01 20:17 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: that's what the police said | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | don't trust their version of these events | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in The Register | Jan 01 20:18 |
| cubexyz | I never got any reply to my email | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | in fact, disregard this story until there is some independent sources | Jan 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | not police investigating police | Jan 01 20:18 |
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| cubexyz | right | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I rebutted this online 2 nights ago | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | "including resisting arrest and assaulting emergency personnel. " | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Meaning he didn't break in | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and he says he didn't assault them | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | it's a classic smear | Jan 01 20:19 |
| cubexyz | the whole story is very strange | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | call him drunk | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and pretend they cared for his wellbeing | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | when it's them who harmed him | Jan 01 20:19 |
| schestowitz | and why would a female officer take his undies off? | Jan 01 20:20 |
| cubexyz | no idea | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | "On Monday, police returned to the 2400 block of Green Street on reports of a possible suicide. The city medical examiner’s office confirmed Murdock was found dead there." | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Wonder why... | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait... so he was assaulted and raped | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Worse than Swartz | Jan 01 20:20 |
| schestowitz | who was only mentally threatened | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | that they would bankrupt his whole family with legal fees | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | reverse mortgage and all | Jan 01 20:21 |
| cubexyz | pretty nasty | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | dozens of counts thrown at him | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | to make it more expensive for his lawyers to respond | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | and make the whole process lengthier | Jan 01 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "Gatpandan said she urges anyone seeking help with a suicidal individual to quickly call police to get them to the help they need." | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL!! | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Say the bastards who CAUSED the suicide | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Because a millionaire was reported to be trying to "break into" a home | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | what for? | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Friggin' jewleries? | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | To put together some pennies to buy a repurposed box with debian? | Jan 01 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh, the precious police | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | tried to save him from suicide | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | which they themselves led to | Jan 01 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I heard bourgeois are trying to rob the poor. This must be it. | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and they called a medic to help treat a woung | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | which their own abuse caused | Jan 01 20:23 |
| cubexyz | did Murdock drink? | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah, going into their house | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I drink sometimes too | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | it's a personal attack | Jan 01 20:23 |
| schestowitz | and it was xmas | Jan 01 20:24 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | many people here drink around xmas | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | EPO smears staff reps like this | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | even a judge | Jan 01 20:24 |
| cubexyz | sure, I'm just trying to figure out what happened | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Making personal attacks on their sanity | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a famous trick to discredit the accused | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe he drank and came to the wrong door | Jan 01 20:24 |
| cubexyz | possible | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | and this was interpreted as break-in attempt | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | police: sir, stop | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | IM: what? | Jan 01 20:24 |
| schestowitz | police: we saw you trying to enter another house | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: i has a brew | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: so? | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: it's dark | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | the houses look similar | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: you're coming with me | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: what for? | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: breakin investigation | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: it's xmas, I had a drink | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | police: you're resisting arrest now | Jan 01 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IM: what? Do you know who I am? | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: who? You have scars on your face? | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: dafaq! I'm a geek | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: come with me | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: leave me alone | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I founded debian | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: what's that | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: Linux | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | police: no idea what you mean | Jan 01 20:26 |
| schestowitz | IM: i work for docker? | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: SF bay docks? | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: no, the container company | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: ah, I see, containers | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: you don't understand... | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: sir, you're coming with me | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | IM: I made $1.4m last year | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | police: sure you did... | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jan 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | later: | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | IM: police are uneducated | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | accused me of attack | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | say they have no footage to prove otherwise | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | had to pay then 25k in bail | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | for attacking "THEM" | Jan 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | So they actually made money of the whole thing | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | imagine that | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | these bastards led him to suicide | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | and took some of his money, too | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | can his kids get a refund? | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | will anyone be prosecuted for doing this to the "assaulting" combative person who committed suicide | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | no need for coverup | Jan 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | they already led him to suicide | Jan 01 20:30 |
| schestowitz | therein is the coverup | Jan 01 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Saved and protected.... themselves | Jan 01 20:30 |
| schestowitz | from big lawsuits | Jan 01 20:30 |
| cubexyz | bail is a bond though | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | don't know how it works, lawyers' thing | Jan 01 20:33 |
| cubexyz | you get part of it back I think, once you appear in court | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | i just said to my wife, that's the thing about suicide... | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | you're dead | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | and they're alive | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | so your last words against theirs | Jan 01 20:33 |
| schestowitz | and they can add words and repeat the lies many times | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | or reword with clever spin against last words | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Should have survived to challenge them | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | now we'll hear the "official" police story and he had no chances to rebut | Jan 01 20:34 |
| schestowitz | except by going back to his last words, which no doubt they'll deny | Jan 01 20:35 |
| cubexyz | the coroner or medical examiner will have the last word | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | on cause of death | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | but that's not the end of it | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Mike Masnick (techDirt) says he can't cover it as not enough is known | Jan 01 20:35 |
| schestowitz | same thing I said | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | if he's declared dead due to something he ingested, then likely a suicide | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | unless someone force-fed him | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | or police has some KGB/FSB era (or CIA) ways of making a death look natural when it's not | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | That leaves many unknowns | Jan 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Esp. regarding what happened in the van, the hospital, the cell | Jan 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | so he took down many bits of info with him | Jan 01 20:37 |
| cubexyz | his words were "uneducated, evil and sadistic" | Jan 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | didn't even write a lucid, clear blog post | Jan 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | incoherent tweets instead | Jan 01 20:38 |
| cubexyz | definitely cause for worry | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | but I'd say | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | if he's gonna end up keeping the promise to commit suicide, name the people | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | and give a lot of details | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | time, place, act | Jan 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | demand independent probee | Jan 01 20:38 |
| cubexyz | it's definitely a major botch-up | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | there's no paper trail | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | with Swartz there was | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | like legal documents | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | so there was a MIT report | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | and some other investigations | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | these went on for months and months | Jan 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | even become the subject of some movies | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | in here we just have his words against SF police's words | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | and a report written by police | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | about the police | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | looking at their track record after such incidents, they cannot be trusted (many cases to show fabrication of evidence) | Jan 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | no alibis indoors (Ian's house) | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe some outdoors, near neighbour | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Police van = only police presence that survives | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | hospital - who knows... | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | but let's hope the family demands action like a probe into it | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | it's still Jan 1st, so holiday... | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | many branches of gov. closed | Jan 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | and journalists away | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | his dying wish was justice | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | some people bury him and piss on him | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | by repeating the police coverup story | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | and smear him | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "mental illness", "drunk"... | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | scary to think what they could get away with on anyone if this can be done to a person with so much credibility | Jan 01 20:43 |
| schestowitz | reducing him to a caricature of suicidal violent alcoholic | Jan 01 20:44 |
| schestowitz | when it's just some guy who knocked on the wrong door | Jan 01 20:44 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what he did later was a reaction/reponse to the way he was treated | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | e.g. IF, as the police claims, he screamed later | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | he was rightly upset at that stage | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and bruised | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | they blame his injuries on him | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | like he head-butted metal | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and then they KINDLY called a medic for him | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | LOL!!! | Jan 01 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Guffaw | Jan 01 20:46 |
| schestowitz | !google police charges man for bleeding on uniform | Jan 01 20:46 |
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| cubexyz | ridiculous | Jan 01 20:47 |
| MinceR | https://medium.com/@wilshipley/the-absolutely-true-story-of-a-real-programmer-who-never-learned-c-210e43a1498b | Jan 01 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | The Absolutely True Story of a Real Programmer Who Never Learned C — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/odezz ] | Jan 01 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> Someone mentioned in IRC the man who had a heart attack 9 months after | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > suggesting that US relinquishes control of DNS. | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Did they mention a name? | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | >> > Yes, but I cannot recall. Search it... | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe it was Jon Postel. He died in 1998, just a while after being | Jan 01 20:49 |
| *DaemonFC (~DaemonFC@184.18.5.161) has joined #techrights | Jan 01 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | > accused of flexing his muscle: | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > In early 1997, as the US government was discussing | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > domain name alternatives, he used this power to | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > transfer control temporarily away from Network | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > Solutions to his own server. | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/196487.stm | Jan 01 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failure when receiving data from the peer ( status 0 @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/196487.stm ) | Jan 01 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's the guy. | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Makes you wonder.... | Jan 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | msb__: ^ | Jan 01 20:49 |
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| cubexyz | good story MinceR :) | Jan 01 21:09 |
| cubexyz | back in 2009 there was a strange incident with Peter Watts, a Canadian Sci-Fi author | Jan 01 21:19 |
| cubexyz | there was some physical altercation between him and US border guards | Jan 01 21:19 |
| cubexyz | http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2009/12/12/us_border_guards_arrest_author_peter_watts.html | Jan 01 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com | U.S. border guards arrest author Peter Watts | Toronto Star [ http://ur1.ca/odf3l ] | Jan 01 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2016/01/01/palm-pda-in-2016/ | Jan 01 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » How I Use an Old Palm PDA Even in 2016 [ http://ur1.ca/odf3m ] | Jan 01 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: when it comes to portable device, I'm more like you, I guess | Jan 01 21:20 |
| MinceR | maybe i'd use a Palm PDA if it didn't shit itself after 13 months | Jan 01 21:20 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, zaurus :) | Jan 01 21:20 |
| cubexyz | get a zaurus :) | Jan 01 21:20 |
| MinceR | or a zaurus, if they were ever sold in hungary | Jan 01 21:21 |
| cubexyz | I still have mine | Jan 01 21:21 |
| cubexyz | SL series was Linux based | Jan 01 21:22 |
| cubexyz | get one of those SL-C1000's | Jan 01 21:22 |
| cubexyz | might cost you a few bucks though :) | Jan 01 21:22 |
| cubexyz | you can get a SL-5500 pretty cheap | Jan 01 21:23 |
| cubexyz | I ported a bunch of stuff to zaurus years ago | Jan 01 21:23 |
| cubexyz | units, file, bc, even ncurses | Jan 01 21:24 |
| schestowitz | http://palmaddicts.com/post/135799015666 | Jan 01 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-palmaddicts.com | PalmAddict • Still a Palm LifeDrive user after all these... | Jan 01 21:26 | |
| cubexyz | maybe if Palm could run Linux... | Jan 01 21:27 |
| cubexyz | but Palm went to the darkside if I remember correctly | Jan 01 21:28 |
| cubexyz | maybe Palm Pilot did Linux? | Jan 01 21:28 |
| cubexyz | ok, they went webos later on | Jan 01 21:31 |
| cubexyz | I still say SL-C series is better :) | Jan 01 21:32 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, I never saw Zaurus in Canada either | Jan 01 21:32 |
| cubexyz | only used on ebay | Jan 01 21:32 |
| cubexyz | I guess there's HP Pre 3 nowadays | Jan 01 21:33 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, if you really want old school there's Newton :) | Jan 01 21:36 |
| cubexyz | but historically there was Sharp way before that | Jan 01 21:37 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Sharp PC-1250 pocket computer | Jan 01 21:37 |
| cubexyz | single line LCD display :) | Jan 01 21:38 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-PC-1211-pocket-computer-CE-122-printer-/262186261889?hash=item3d0b84dd81:g:WoYAAOSwf-VWalOe | Jan 01 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com | Sharp PC-1211 pocket computer & CE-122 printer | Jan 01 21:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Just for this: | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Happy New Year Roy, | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It's been a long time, but long stories later. Just to wish you a very blessed Happy New Year for you & family. | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Saddened to learn about the demise of Ian Murdock, though suspicions might arise to his cause of death. Very sad about him and family specially. | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 01 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "My best wishes for all your endeavours." | Jan 01 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Espanol | Jan 01 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Español - Techrights | Jan 01 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 148,134 times.' | Jan 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Jan 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Didn't even notice, didn't visit this page for years | Jan 01 22:03 |
| schestowitz | "This page has been accessed 293,941 times." | Jan 01 22:06 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Jan 01 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ] | Jan 01 22:06 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I thought Jon Postel might fit on your list of mysterious IT deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel#DNS_Root_Authority_test.2C_U.S._response | Jan 01 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odb08 ] | Jan 01 22:10 | |
| msb__ | "On October 16, 1998, Postel died of heart problems in Los Angeles,[17] nine months after the DNS Root Authority incident." Age 55. | Jan 01 22:10 |
| msb__ | But IANA was under USC with a contract with the Air Force, so I don't see what a big difference he made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority | Jan 01 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Assigned Numbers Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/odf8y ] | Jan 01 22:14 | |
| msb__ | Anyhow 55 is pretty young to die from a heart attack, which of course can be induced by many means -- drugs, electrical, microwave bombardment. | Jan 01 22:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CProtopapas/status/683040807872532480 | Jan 01 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CProtopapas: @schestowitz @BBCNews yes, and no one has ever demolished a 65-story concrete building. | Jan 01 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: nine months is a long | Jan 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | time | Jan 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | unless he was making progress | Jan 01 22:20 |
| schestowitz | and approached a tipping point | Jan 01 22:20 |
| msb__ | No, it looks like his change was reversed immediately. But if someone wanted revenge, waiting nine months would decrease the chance of being suspected. | Jan 01 22:22 |
| msb__ | Why kill Gary Kildall at the time they did? | Jan 01 22:24 |
| msb__ | Maybe they do it just to dishearten others. Remember, these are psychopaths. They are not human (in their firmware/software). | Jan 01 22:27 |
| msb__ | We had beautiful, simple, modular Linux, which gave us joy. And they wrecked it with systemd. | Jan 01 22:28 |
| msb__ | More practically, they took away our enthusiasm for recommending Linux to Windows users, because there's no good distro to recommend. Just as Windows 10 is really disappointing people with auto-botnet-updates. | Jan 01 22:32 |
| msb__ | I wonder if Ian Murdock was talking about starting a non-systemd Linux distro, or joining up with Devuan... | Jan 01 22:35 |
| msb__ | The destruction of Linux must be very important to the ruling psychopaths. Tens, hundreds of millions of people getting out from under control of the corporate/government control-freak psychopaths. Very important to them to stop it.] | Jan 01 22:39 |
| cubexyz | the Apple guy died too don't forget | Jan 01 22:40 |
| msb__ | But Apple is just as money-driven as Microsoft. However, there could be conflicts between psychopaths. | Jan 01 22:42 |
| cubexyz | Programmers don't always take good care of their health | Jan 01 22:43 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft will just rot away from within, that's my prediction | Jan 01 22:44 |
| cubexyz | no one really likes windows 10 | Jan 01 22:44 |
| msb__ | Jobs was diagnosed with a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor in 2003 and died of respiratory arrest related to the tumor on October 5, 2011. | Jan 01 22:44 |
| cubexyz | probably even Gates wouldn't like windows 10 | Jan 01 22:46 |
| cubexyz | but who knows | Jan 01 22:46 |
| msb__ | But MS is so large and its usage so widely spread that it will take a very long time to rot away. Especially with Linux crippled by systemd. | Jan 01 22:46 |
| msb__ | Plenty of people like windows 10 -- people who don't know any better. | Jan 01 22:47 |
| cubexyz | I haven't encountered anyone who has used it that actually likes it | Jan 01 22:48 |
| msb__ | Yes, but you run a repair service. | Jan 01 22:48 |
| cubexyz | this was my most recent customer's statement: | Jan 01 22:49 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt | Jan 01 22:49 |
| cubexyz | I'm not touching it, not that I was planning to :) | Jan 01 22:51 |
| msb__ | Amazing! firefox updates itself all the time and never screws up. | Jan 01 22:51 |
| cubexyz | all that has to happen is a micro-power failure during an update with no UPS | Jan 01 22:52 |
| cubexyz | simple | Jan 01 22:52 |
| cubexyz | I tell people to buy a UPS but they don't all listen | Jan 01 22:52 |
| msb__ | Why not? You could reinstall windows and charge him $100. | Jan 01 22:52 |
| cubexyz | he did something a bit odd... he just stopped using the computer | Jan 01 22:53 |
| cubexyz | I offered to fix it | Jan 01 22:53 |
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| msb__ | Wow, his "powerful gaming machine"! | Jan 01 22:54 |
| cubexyz | people just aren't that adaptable | Jan 01 22:55 |
| cubexyz | they get hooked into windows (like windows always existed) and that's that | Jan 01 22:55 |
| cubexyz | but this guy should know better, he's older than you | Jan 01 22:56 |
| cubexyz | well over 80 | Jan 01 22:56 |
| cubexyz | you can imagine how frustrating it is | Jan 01 22:56 |
| msb__ | For him or you? You offerred to fix him. | Jan 01 22:58 |
| cubexyz | well I guess both in this case | Jan 01 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <cubexyz> I tell people to buy a UPS but they don't all listen | Jan 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone needs them | Jan 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Last time I had an outage was more than 5 years ago | Jan 01 23:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe 8 years ago or 9 | Jan 01 23:00 |
| cubexyz | UPS will extend the life of your equipment | Jan 01 23:00 |
| cubexyz | and I have small power outages monthly at least | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | the danger is hardware failure, fuse (toaster malfunction, as happened to me 4 years ago), or wire coming out (happened last week) | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: where in Canada? | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Probably not TO | Jan 01 23:01 |
| cubexyz | yes, outside of Toronto | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | ok, that would make some sense | Jan 01 23:01 |
| schestowitz | outside in manchester, in rochdale, they had some outages last week due to the floods | Jan 01 23:01 |
| cubexyz | I bought extra UPSes for my older equipment, some of which is over 30 years old | Jan 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | do these rest? | Jan 01 23:03 |
| cubexyz | everything :) | Jan 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | If not, wear and tear can shorten their lives | Jan 01 23:03 |
| cubexyz | all my computers have UPS | Jan 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I still can't make my 2008 PC work again | Jan 01 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I guess I would too have it for a battery-less machine (desktop) | Jan 01 23:03 |
| cubexyz | the Amiga is from 1987 | Jan 01 23:04 |
| cubexyz | not quite 30 yet :) | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I was 5 | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | did you use replacement parts? | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I guess some spares are on ebay | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | lots of Amigas around | Jan 01 23:04 |
| schestowitz | (same issue with very old cars and repair costs or parts availability) | Jan 01 23:05 |
| cubexyz | it's all original still, except I added a hard drive about 3 years later | Jan 01 23:05 |
| cubexyz | the hard drive still works to this day | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <msb__> Plenty of people like windows 10 -- people who don't know any better. | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Evidence? | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:48] <cubexyz> I haven't encountered anyone who has used it that actually likes it | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Jan 01 23:05 |
| schestowitz | i heard one friend who said he liked Vista 7 | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | but not vista 8 | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of anyone ever saying s/he liked Vista 8 | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Even though they called it "Windows 8" | Jan 01 23:06 |
| cubexyz | a few years ago, around 2011 I took the amiga apart and cleaned it | Jan 01 23:06 |
| cubexyz | that's about it | Jan 01 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:35] <msb__> I wonder if Ian Murdock was talking about starting a non-systemd Linux distro, or joining up with Devuan... | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | pointless thing, no evidence, no connection to his death | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | his boss is from Red Hat | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | see Docker's history | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Red hat is the shadow entity bringing up systemd to everything, Intel also a big force | Jan 01 23:07 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <msb__> Jobs was diagnosed with a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor in 2003 and died of respiratory arrest related to the tumor on October 5, 2011 | Jan 01 23:08 |
| msb__ | I just suggested it as a possibility, since he _created_ Debian. | Jan 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Now it's Bill's turn, not Ian's | Jan 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | But Bill is looked after by quite an army of people | Jan 01 23:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txt | Jan 01 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Jobs wasn't doing to well before 2003, after his company barely survived | Jan 01 23:09 |
| cubexyz | I made sure the hard drives always run once a month, that probably helped a lot | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | you know why they call it systemd? | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Because of Debra :-) | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | system Debra | Jan 01 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I think that's how it's spelled? Not Deborah? | Jan 01 23:10 |
| cubexyz | I thought it was because systems A through C sucked :) | Jan 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Of Debbie? | Jan 01 23:10 |
| schestowitz | A: B: C:\ | Jan 01 23:10 |
| cubexyz | systemdaemon | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | system Damian | Jan 01 23:11 |
| cubexyz | the d at the end is an established convention | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | SystemDoodoo | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | init.d | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | /etc/init.d/ian stop | Jan 01 23:11 |
| schestowitz | or as red hat prefers: | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | system ian stop | Jan 01 23:12 |
| cubexyz | even on BSD there's sshd, inetd, and xfconfd | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | service I mean | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | not system | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | in debian it's apache/2 | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | and red hat and derivs httpd | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I bet the latter will become the norm | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | with d at the end | Jan 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | even in debian | Jan 01 23:12 |
| cubexyz | it's been httpd as long as I can remember web servers | Jan 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | service http[SYSTEM]d stop | Jan 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: not in Debian | Jan 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | or maybe Debian too changed | Jan 01 23:14 |
| cubexyz | there's nginx and ummm | Jan 01 23:14 |
| cubexyz | lighttpd | Jan 01 23:14 |
| cubexyz | historically apache is based on NCSA HTTPd | Jan 01 23:16 |
| cubexyz | so that's the original name | Jan 01 23:16 |
| cubexyz | even the CERN web server was called httpd | Jan 01 23:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6912238 | Jan 01 23:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Interestingly enough, same legal firm which lobbies alongside #microsoft on the #patent front is the same one threatening me for #epo now | Jan 01 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | "What is EPO?" | Jan 01 23:18 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office | Jan 01 23:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6915172 | Jan 01 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Law schools lag behind on open source law https://opensource.com/education/15/12/teaching-open-source-law #freesw #law | Jan 01 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | "Oh, I graduated. Who knows if it is still the case. Also, transfering is much more difficult than it should be. You can only transfer after your first year. I did look into it, but too late." | Jan 01 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com | Teaching open source law | Opensource.com | Jan 01 23:19 | |
| cubexyz | syslogd was one of the earlier daemons | Jan 01 23:20 |
| cubexyz | but the idea of a 'daemon' goes back to 1976 | Jan 01 23:20 |
| cubexyz | also acctd goes back a long time | Jan 01 23:20 |
| cubexyz | so systemd's name is fine | Jan 01 23:22 |
| cubexyz | I guess | Jan 01 23:22 |
| cubexyz | it's really the scope of systemd that I find is problematic | Jan 01 23:23 |
| cubexyz | you could just log stuff, e.g. logger "today I added a USB drive" | Jan 01 23:28 |
| cubexyz | and syslogd would add that to /var/log/messages | Jan 01 23:29 |
| cubexyz | that is definitely from the BSD world though | Jan 01 23:34 |
| cubexyz | there's user logging too | Jan 01 23:36 |
| cubexyz | check /etc/syslog.conf there's lots of good options in there | Jan 01 23:38 |
| cubexyz | really BSD always had that anti-establishment bent to it | Jan 01 23:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/original-bsd-art-pdp-11.jpg | Jan 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/lifestyle/arts-entertainment/bye-bye-2015-hello-2016 | Jan 01 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstimes.com.sg | Bye bye 2015, hello 2016!, Arts & Entertainment - THE BUSINESS TIMES [ http://ur1.ca/odfgy ] | Jan 01 23:52 | |
| schestowitz | "THERE are rebellious teenagers and there is Amos Yee who makes Kylo Ren look like an angel. But with enlistment looming as he turns 18 this year, BMT might finally straighten him out. Stay tuned as The Singapore Armed Forces Awakens the recalcitrant teen." | Jan 01 23:52 |
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| *[freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Jan 01 23:57 | |
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| MinceR | "nation" | Jan 02 00:02 |
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| cubexyz | any new distro recommenations for 2016? :) | Jan 02 00:09 |
| cubexyz | recommendations | Jan 02 00:09 |
| *cubexyz recommendations for 2016: Don't use Windows 10 | Jan 02 00:12 | |
| MinceR | slackware, funtoo | Jan 02 00:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wmarybeard/status/680479219181350912 | Jan 02 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wmarybeard: Why do we our pay our licence fee to bbc? To watch the reindeer journey on bbc4. No commercial channel would ever risk it great @BBC4tech | Jan 02 00:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Midnight-Mass | Jan 02 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Midnight Mass [ http://ur1.ca/odfld ] | Jan 02 00:57 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jan 02 09:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/tcOzymyI6G | Jan 02 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jan 02 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odgsd | Jan 02 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GatoPreto19/status/683151124887695361 | Jan 02 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GatoPreto19: @schestowitz Well, you noticed that something is strange.. - Wasn't it the way it was written in first place what caught your attention..? | Jan 02 10:01 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure I'm following... | Jan 02 10:01 |
| schestowitz | scientes: hi 0/ | Jan 02 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683188252728274944 | Jan 02 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Max Schrems' "Safe Harbout" at #32C3 talk was my favourite talk: https://t.co/bgAxtNqWWq | Jan 02 10:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Safe Harbor https://t.co/5j7eryiqpx #privacy #ccc | Jan 02 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mohs8421/status/683196546641428480 | Jan 02 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mohs8421: RT @schestowitz Victims of >fatal< #police brutality always 'tragically' turn out to be aggressive, combative, rude, emotionally unstabl ... | Jan 02 10:03 | |
| msb_ | charged with intentionally contaminating the officer's truncheon with his brain matter, a felony | Jan 02 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > “the biggest advancement Linux brought to the industry”. | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/31/ian-murdock-a-tribute-to-the-man-and-his-work-on-linux | Jan 02 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ian Murdock: a tribute to the man and his work on Linux | Technology | The Guardian | Jan 02 10:07 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > not much mainstream coverage | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://ianmurdock.com/solaris/how-package-management-changed-everything/ | Jan 02 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | How package management changed everything | Ian Murdock [ http://ur1.ca/odgti ] | Jan 02 10:07 | |
| schestowitz | Very disappointing. It looks like 4chan trolls him a lot before his last tweets where he hints at a noose. | Jan 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | > "Finally I realized that I was wasting more time trying to defend my | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > contributions than it took to make them and hours of work would just be | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > deleted for no good reason." | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://mrpogson.com/2016/01/01/wikipedia-again/ | Jan 02 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Wikipedia, Again | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/odgts ] | Jan 02 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > Yep. Especially regarding ODF. | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Just like in 'news' sites... | Jan 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | > https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7387-net_neutrality_in_europe | Jan 02 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7387-net_neutrality_in_europe ) | Jan 02 10:25 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > Big crises coming up in the summer this year that need addressing | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > already. Apparently the earlier they get addressed, the more likely the | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > success. | Jan 02 10:25 |
| schestowitz | > http://perens.com/blog/2016/01/01/the-empathy-gap/ | Jan 02 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | The Empathy Gap, and Why Women are Treated Badly in Open Source Communities | Bruce Perens [ http://ur1.ca/odguu ] | Jan 02 10:26 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | > arm-chair psychology? | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't like that one post when I saw it. | Jan 02 10:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://perens.com/blog/2015/12/31/ian-murdock-dead/ | Jan 02 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-perens.com | Ian Murdock dead | Bruce Perens | Jan 02 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2514 | Jan 02 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blather.michaelwlucas.com | randi vs xmj « blather.michaelwlucas.com | Jan 02 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > CoC is not the answer. This is about getting people to behave. | Jan 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > "What is more frightening than being merely watched, though, is being | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > controlled." | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:48 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/29/irans-blogfather-facebook-instagram-and-twitter-are-killing-the-web | Jan 02 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Iran's blogfather: Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are killing the web | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/odgvr ] | Jan 02 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | > rewrite of an earlier article on the same topic. The points are valid | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | > though. | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Because of sites such as #facebook or #twitter a lot of people who wrote articles no longer do. They give their time for free to Net giants. | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | #facebook or #twitter are both platforms of #surveillance and #censorship these days. The goal should be to get rid of both. | Jan 02 10:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> “the biggest advancement Linux brought to the industry”. | Jan 02 10:52 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:52 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/31/ian-murdock-a-tribute-to-the-man-and-his-work-on-linux | Jan 02 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ian Murdock: a tribute to the man and his work on Linux | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/odgw4 ] | Jan 02 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> not much mainstream coverage | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> older: | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://ianmurdock.com/solaris/how-package-management-changed-everything/ | Jan 02 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianmurdock.com | How package management changed everything | Ian Murdock [ http://ur1.ca/odgti ] | Jan 02 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >> > Very disappointing. It looks like 4chan trolls him a lot before his last | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >> > tweets where he hints at a noose. | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | > I wonder how they found him so quickly. By the time the rest of us had | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | > noticed his problems, he was already dead. | Jan 02 10:53 |
| schestowitz | >> Can I attribute the quotes below to you by name? | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > Of course! Someone has to tell them as you do! | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > Please watch for yourself. Watch for the people with whom you celebrate. I'm | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > suspicios if Ian was mind programmed or drugged to hurt himself. Remember this is no more | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > a peoples country but the corporations', and they power goes beyond boundaries | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > with their so called globalism. Ian though no more in charge in Debian, | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > but was a symbol. Debian is harder to submit than Red Hat but with him out of | Jan 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > the way many things can happen. I hope I am wrong about this. | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Also if you're in touch with Indian activists, send them my regards for having | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > the guts to stand up for what is right! | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I'll keep in touch my friend. | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Eduardo | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Ian already had some depression of mental issues, based on people who were close to him, so I doubt he was drugged to cause erratic behaviour. | Jan 02 10:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683190138541850624 | Jan 02 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @c3infodesk @schestowitz If you own a Raspberry Pi & want to watch #32C3 talks on your TV: 1) Install OSMC 2) Install "CCC-TV" Video Add-on | Jan 02 10:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6940204 | Jan 02 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Jan 02 11:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Good thing the current president is so smart and engaged that he can watch ESPN all day long and occasionally read shit from a teleprompter." | Jan 02 11:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xT0ri1/status/683245395137433600 | Jan 02 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@xT0ri1: @schestowitz This person is a criminal and deserves death | Jan 02 11:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Wikinaut followed @tuxmachines | Jan 02 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What better way to ring in 2016 than with | Jan 02 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Deepin 15 on your desktop? | Jan 02 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IoSG9hiDfA (linuxbsdos.com) | Jan 02 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh03 | Jan 02 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | What better way to ring in 2016 than with Deepin 15 on your desktop? | LinuxBSDos.com | Jan 02 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/weberpatent/status/683077875625517060 | Jan 02 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@weberpatent: Lots and lots of variables in this “business model“ which converts patents from assets into liabilities https://t.co/9R4fIOYGec | Jan 02 12:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bardehleIP: Killing #patents as a #business model - will it come to Europe via the #UPC? https://t.co/vklLEanwtd by @patentlyGerman | Jan 02 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/682966533203701760 | Jan 02 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentbuddy: The Bass- Spangenberg Patent Validity Attacks; A new patent monetization model; Soon to be seen in EU under UPC: https://t.co/rXodQfD4r2 | Jan 02 12:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> patentlygerman.com | The Bass-Spangenberg patent validity attacks: A new patent monetization model. Soon to be expected in Europe under the UPC ? | patentlyGerman | Jan 02 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/VlmHardy/status/683267927253061632 | Jan 02 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @treacl #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/fFXHdMCFWA | Jan 02 12:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://sumall.com/thankyou ) | Jan 02 12:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @treacl #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/fFXHdMCFWA | Jan 02 12:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Infinite Bundle from Bundle Stars has 12 Linux | Jan 02 12:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | games for next to nothing | Jan 02 12:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/57Uq9HWndS (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jan 02 12:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh38 | Jan 02 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Infinite Bundle from Bundle Stars has 12 Linux games for next to nothing | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 12:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hyper Light Drifter planning for a same-day | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux release https://t.co/5BZ3ewKXLk | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh39 | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ring in the new year by installing deepin 15 -- | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a beautiful Debian-based Linux distribution | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GUpE0AfjZk (betanews.com) | Jan 02 12:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh3c | Jan 02 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Hyper Light Drifter planning for a same-day Linux release | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 12:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ring in the new year by installing deepin 15 -- a beautiful Debian-based Linux distribution | Jan 02 12:59 | |
| *Richard (52109f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.16.159.120) has joined #techrights | Jan 02 13:09 | |
| *Richard is now known as Guest38082 | Jan 02 13:09 | |
| Guest38082 | I understand you have recently written up about how individual inventors are suffering at the hands of the unaccountable EPO. I think my case may provide you with some very interesting insights like denying a patent when accepting there is something patentable. I can be reached on richard.bankart@btinternet.com | Jan 02 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | First contact made... testing this E-mail address works. | Jan 02 13:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683281385583292416 | Jan 02 13:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: @schestowitz At least 2 investigative reporters on the case. One ex-BBC. | Jan 02 13:44 | |
| schestowitz | Good, I hope they actually don't just relay the police's "official" story | Jan 02 13:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chaos Reborn & Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition now DRM free for Linux on GOG | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YSWb7SUWZQ (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh5l | Jan 02 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Chaos Reborn & Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition now DRM free for Linux on GOG | GamingOnLinux | Jan 02 13:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus 1.0 Released – Ship with Budgie Desktop | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10 and Support GNOME 3.18 | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/eY9Qu1zSXr (linuxscoop.com) | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh5m | Jan 02 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxscoop.com | Solus 1.0 Released - Ship with Budgie Desktop 10 and Support GNOME 3.18 - Linux Scoop | Jan 02 13:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Better Multi Indirect Draw Support Coming To | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mesa https://t.co/7joKcTkwbl (www.phoronix.com) | Jan 02 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh5n | Jan 02 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Better Multi Indirect Draw Support Coming To Mesa - Phoronix | Jan 02 13:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best | Jan 02 13:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | Jan 02 13:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6DV0ydNbkz (indianexpress.com) | Jan 02 13:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh5r | Jan 02 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | The Indian Express | Jan 02 13:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @fzeqqec4 favourited 'Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear...' | Jan 02 13:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683283641837969410 | Jan 02 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: @schestowitz Very unlikely. | Jan 02 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | Well, BBC... http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC | Jan 02 13:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights | Jan 02 13:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC - Techrights | Jan 02 13:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GIMP & GEGL https://t.co/9vK5LXoJws | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh61 | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GIMP & GEGL | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/7DixZzAi0F | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh62 | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qeFNeKL895 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh63 | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Motorola Moto 360 (2015) #ExpressReview: Best Android Wear smartwatch, if at all you need it | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian Family | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LfZ8pyV829 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh64 | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian Family | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/PNDT89mXhz | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odh65 | Jan 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Jan 02 13:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lars9596/status/683288684645466112 | Jan 02 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Lars9596: How many people does the #BBC need to screw in a light bulb ? None, they like to keep things in the dark. For @schestowitz | Jan 02 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pixeldyne_sys/status/683289831439372289 | Jan 02 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz possible headline for 2016: Microsoft Patents The Hyperlink | Jan 02 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/683290524892164096 | Jan 02 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #MaireadMaguire: #Syrians admire #Assad; agree that Western/#GCC sponsored #Proxies have invaded Syria. https://t.co/6eWqeLupua | Jan 02 14:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Many Syrians are traumatized and in shock and ask ‘how did this happen to our country’? Proxy wars..." https://t.co/PNEbsSKB4H | Jan 02 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/683293775846871040 | Jan 02 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I'm more interested in who benefits from the instability being created in Europe. Its being orchestrated by someone IMO. | Jan 02 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | I think this theory is weak and weakly founded | Jan 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz | The rich can incite for #classwar (middle vs bottom) well enough; no need for them to create racial/ethnic/religious wars | Jan 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | The rich need just enough tension to keep people distracted from the rich (but not destablise their own country) | Jan 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | *destabilise | Jan 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | 2) Translation of the two French texts: | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | The Agoravox piece is written in a rather elaborate language, and a good | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | English translation is difficult, especially in view of the many | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | historical and literary references. For example, "sections spéciales" is | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | a reference to 1975 film about official repression forces under the | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | pro-nazi Vichy regime, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_sp%C3%A9ciale . | Jan 02 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Section spéciale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 02 15:24 | |
| schestowitz | I just did the introduction part, and I needed much more than one hour | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | just for that bit. The sample is provided below, but it's not ready yet | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | for publication. | Jan 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 15:24 |
| MinceR | if you want to see how hard belonging to the m$ cult can disrupt the functioning of a central nervous system >> https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/microsoft-insider-on-why-microsoft-sucks-and-rocks/6907 | Jan 02 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-what.thedailywtf.com | Microsoft insider on why Microsoft sucks (and rocks) - General - What the Daily WTF? | Jan 02 15:41 | |
| MinceR | Microsoft. Not Even Once. | Jan 02 15:41 |
| schestowitz | A little old this article... | Jan 02 15:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683318102952640512 | Jan 02 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz John Olivier Last Week (April 2015) about #patent trolls and more https://t.co/oWtBzkFX8M | Jan 02 16:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Patents (HBO) - YouTube | Jan 02 16:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683319989605109764 | Jan 02 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @zoobab @schestowitz Curious whether J. Oliver will also have a "last week" special about "EPOexit 2016" (file under Brexit, Grexit, Plexit) | Jan 02 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | Finxit likely first | Jan 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/683321104732188673 | Jan 02 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: #Battexit before Finexit https://t.co/fn2lULNFEj | Jan 02 16:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut @zoobab Finxit likely first | Jan 02 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/apuestaygratis/status/683326064681205760 | Jan 02 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@apuestaygratis: ¡Milagro! Tres goles en Old Trafford, uno de ellos de Rooney United 2 - Swansea 1 https://t.co/iXdMGkyqfY | Jan 02 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bet365_es: Gylfi Sigurðsson pone las tablas en el Old Trafford. Problemas para van Gaal y los suyos... https://t.co/xa1Kk43zxE | Jan 02 16:37 | |
| schestowitz | > Dear Dr Schestowitz , | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for your response. I think my experience would represent all | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > that is wrong with judge and jury EPO, It is clearly a complicated and | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > difficult area to get people to follow. I hope my cut and paste of | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > issues makes sense. You are more than welcome to other documents (like | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > the complaint letters which cannot be seen on line) and please don't | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > hesitate if you need further explanation. | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > I attach a summary of issues. This is a cut and paste job as evidenced | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > by the referencing. I have tried to involve my MEP Syed Kamall. He has | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > written once to the EPO. He got a response, the usual that there is | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > nothing wrong. I attach the draft I am asking him to send in response | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > as it has one or two other angles. | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you once again and I look forward to hearing your views. | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, Richard. I will look into it over the weekend and see how it relates to our coverage on the patent neutrality theme at the EPO (there's no real neutrality and it has only been getting worse). | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | more to come... | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | .. | Jan 02 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/683338637837254656 https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/683338880460914688 | Jan 02 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I'm not sure it can be legally classed as food due to General construction and nutritional deficiencies. | Jan 02 17:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz However yes the average McDonald's user does appear to be generally an ab-human monglatoid. | Jan 02 17:33 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | VDI comes to the Raspberry Pi • The Register | Jan 02 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/SjR5HFaDID | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odhwo | Jan 02 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jan 02 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P Review - Android Overdose | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pjttHSggjC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jan 02 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/odhwp | Jan 02 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P Review - Android Overdose | Tux Machines | Jan 02 18:52 | |
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| cubexyz | came across this the other day: | Jan 02 20:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/star-wars-pdp-11.jpg | Jan 02 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://torrenttunes.ml/ | Jan 02 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrenttunes.ml | TorrentTunes | Jan 02 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: is that yours? ;-) | Jan 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | you seem to have modernised by a few decades | Jan 02 20:46 |
| cubexyz | nope | Jan 02 20:46 |
| cubexyz | as much as I'd love to own it, .ml is Mali | Jan 02 20:48 |
| cubexyz | but .ml domains are free evidently | Jan 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3z0yft/why_does_google_refuse_to_provide_google_drive/ | Jan 02 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why does Google refuse to provide Google Drive desktop client for Linux? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/odi87 ] | Jan 02 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | "I was chatting to a Google employee a while back who was surprised to hear the Google Drive client he uses internally on Linux hadn't been released publicly. So (if his comment is to be believed) they have a Google Drive desktop client for Linux, just haven't released it." | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yes, not Mali in many cases | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | vanity domains | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | usually small islands | Jan 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | two-letter ones that make up funny nords | Jan 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | like ma.tt | Jan 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | aka photomatt.org iirc | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | there was another free one that I tried... was that .tt? | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | can't even remember now | Jan 02 20:50 |
| cubexyz | .tk? | Jan 02 20:51 |
| cubexyz | ok, yes it was .tk so I grabbed cubeman.tk | Jan 02 20:51 |
| cubexyz | nothing ends in tk though | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yzz4k/cbs_sf_affiliate_provides_more_detail_on_the_loss/ | Jan 02 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | CBS SF affiliate provides more detail on the loss of Ian Murdock : linux [ http://ur1.ca/odi8o ] | Jan 02 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Did the police officers wear body cameras? Are there other witnesses accounts to back the police story? What about the cameras in the police station? What about the emergency call? It was recorded, right? | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | There are many possibilities to clear up the situation and I'm not saying the police must be at fault. But I'm hoping the family goes for an investigation. And if not friends, maybe even some lawyers from the OSC should do it. I think, this would be a last favor for the deceased. | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: when it expires it'll no longer words | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | there used to be http://openbytes.tk | Jan 02 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.tk | openbytes.tk | Jan 02 20:53 | |
| cubexyz | right, I remember you mentioning that | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | do you really want to point at a domain that might some time in the future yield an error? | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | like techrights.com? | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I pay 42 pounds every two years for echrights.com | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | and it's barely even accessed at all | Jan 02 20:53 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, seems a bit high | Jan 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz | someone who claimed to own techrights.net tried to sell it to me last week | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested, obviously, these people have an ugly business | Jan 02 20:54 |
| cubexyz | right, same here except with cubeman.net :) | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | grabbed the .com to prevent hijacked, same thing eff did | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | david from wikipedia suggested that I do it when I registered the org in 2010 | Jan 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: just don't link to the tk one | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | 404 down the line/years guaranteed | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | and for what, a vanity url? | Jan 02 20:55 |
| cubexyz | well I don't own cubeman.com either | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I see it mentioned on the web sometimes | Jan 02 20:55 |
| cubexyz | I think org is better anyway | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | reddit for instance | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I try to alert you when I see it | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | .org is not what people naturally go for | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I like what germany does | Jan 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | just de | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | simplifies things | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | here we have many x.y.uk | Jan 02 20:56 |
| cubexyz | well all the important links point to cubeman.org so... | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | even for schools, academia | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | it's expensive, good for the Nominet bastards | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they overprice this VIRTUAL good | Jan 02 20:56 |
| cubexyz | take important with a grain of salt :) | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they don't even operate any name servers | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they just maintain a bloody registry | Jan 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz | like those who do this with certs | Jan 02 20:56 |
| cubexyz | I think mine is $12 per year, not too bad | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | they claim to be maintaining accuracy and checking it's up to date | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | but in practice they just nag innocent holders | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes infringing their privacy | Jan 02 20:57 |
| cubexyz | I knew the guy who used to own cubeman.com | Jan 02 20:57 |
| cubexyz | we actually did some business together, but he's gone now | Jan 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I pay for boycotnovell.com, techrights.org+com 125 pounds every two years | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | that's almost $200 | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | A ripoff, but that's how my host makes more money easily, hosting is usually cheaper | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: gone meaning dead? or not in touch anymore? | Jan 02 20:58 |
| schestowitz | or the domain is gone? | Jan 02 20:58 |
| cubexyz | no, just the domain is gone | Jan 02 20:59 |
| cubexyz | not sure what the guy is doing now | Jan 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz | some people make a living just scooping up domains in bulk | Jan 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz | and spamming people over domain registrations | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | not sure how successful they are at it.. | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm having my 20th anniversary soon :) | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | Jan 22nd, 1996 | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | same domain? | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | mine is just 13 years old | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | no, just the web site | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | ah | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | my first site was set up in 1998 | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | geocities | Jan 02 21:00 |
| cubexyz | the domain goes back to 2001 | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1997, but memory says 1998 | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I only got on the WWW around 1995 | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | or maybe 1994 at the earliest | Jan 02 21:01 |
| cubexyz | I think my 1996 site is on archive.org :) | Jan 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | irc was the killer app for me | Jan 02 21:02 |
| cubexyz | maybe not though | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | speaking to strangers in other countries | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | archive.org - how old is it? the archive? | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | perhaps doesn't predate 1995 or thereabouts | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | except for selected sites | Jan 02 21:02 |
| cubexyz | 1995 | Jan 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | did the www (first page) 1991? | Jan 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | *start | Jan 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | i think the 25th anniversary was weeks ago | Jan 02 21:04 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember the internet before www | Jan 02 21:04 |
| cubexyz | I don't think anyone had a rubik's cube page until 1995, not too long before me | Jan 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/oss/index.html | Jan 02 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nintendo.co.jp | 任天堂製品に関連するオープンソースソフトウェアのソースコード配布ページ｜サポート情報｜Nintendo | Jan 02 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Some Nintendo products include open source software ("OSS") distributed under the terms of various open source licenses, including the GNU Library General Public License 2.0, the GNU Lesser General Public license 2.1, the Mozilla Public License Version 1.1, and the Mini-XML License (collectively, the "OSS Licenses"). This website is the OSS source code distribution page for such Nintendo products. Please select the relevant product from the | Jan 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | list below to obtain more information about OSS included in that product." | Jan 02 21:05 |
| cubexyz | I had the fore-sight to record the exact day I started the cube site | Jan 02 21:07 |
| cubexyz | here's a rough history: | Jan 02 21:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/cube-site-history.txt | Jan 02 21:08 |
| cubexyz | my original ISP is long gone | Jan 02 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I started becoming aware of http around december 1994 | Jan 02 21:10 |
| cubexyz | but cube-lovers mailing list goes all the way back to 1981 | Jan 02 21:10 |
| cubexyz | that stuff was all recorded safely | Jan 02 21:11 |
| cubexyz | there were gateways into the internet, started using those in 1992 | Jan 02 21:11 |
| cubexyz | back in 1983 I read about people using computers to calculate rubik's cube processes using what they called a PDP-20 | Jan 02 21:14 |
| cubexyz | seemed miraculous :) | Jan 02 21:15 |
| cubexyz | that was really a DECSystem-20, but they shortened that to PDP-20 | Jan 02 21:16 |
| cubexyz | those machines went back pretty far, back to 1979 I think | Jan 02 21:18 |
| cubexyz | I still have my vic-20 from 1982 and it still works | Jan 02 21:20 |
| cubexyz | I think the creation of KDE was a very significant thing | Jan 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <cubexyz> my original ISP is long gone | Jan 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jan 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Not Bell then I gather... | Jan 02 21:24 |
| cubexyz | not only is dis gone but barely any traces of it exist now | Jan 02 21:24 |
| cubexyz | dis = Durham Internet Services | Jan 02 21:25 |
| cubexyz | maybe on archive.org | Jan 02 21:25 |
| cubexyz | you might find a few traces of it's existance | Jan 02 21:25 |
| cubexyz | you can google http://admin.dis.on.ca/~cubeman and find a little info | Jan 02 21:27 |
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| cubexyz | in the earlier days we had geographical type URLs | Jan 02 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Nutzwert/status/683395535269662724 | Jan 02 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nutzwert: Twitter-Webseiten duch Spyware aufgebläht? https://t.co/555wsoKTe3 | Jan 02 22:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "If you open that tweet in a browser, you'll see the page is 900 KB big. " https://t.co/kkRJtay4Bh #twitter bloated with spyware | Jan 02 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | hey guys | Jan 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | can you recommend RSS feeds for alt news? | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | esp. environment, maybe a bit on poltics? | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I think I already have the important FOSS ones, just trying to build up on patents and other areas | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | msb_: non-pro-Russia ones would be of use | Jan 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | like RT and Moscow Times | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a small niche as it is | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | many alt news sites just link or repost each other | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | or some dodgy blogs at times | Jan 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | RT is garbage | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | it is | Jan 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | reddit used to be fine but now it's garbage too | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | but it can help where US errs | Jan 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | because it covers just about any potentially anti-US story | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | inc. police violence | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | reddit is garbage | Jan 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | just as easily it can make up any potentially anti-US story | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | but I now RSS-syndicate the Linux section, then need to filter out the forum-like junk | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they just highlight some FOSS thing no other site of FOSS "planet" does | Jan 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: RT doesn't break stories as such | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | sometimes interviews US dissidents, but anyway... | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Is there any site you use a lot | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | medusa or something... is it legit? | Jan 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | i haven't read news much for a long time | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I think that one is very anti-Russia, or at least anti-Putin | Jan 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | i had some entries in my feed reader but haven't looked at them in years | Jan 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I want to fix my feeds for the coming year | Jan 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | and most of those aren't that great either | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Rianne and I decided not to touch drones and CIA crap | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | because it's way too off topic | Jan 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | i should write a new feed reader | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | no need | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | FOSS code is out there | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | you can integrate some | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | like we did in Wiki of techrights before | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | magpie RSS for instance | Jan 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | afaict none of them do it correctly | Jan 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | handy scriipts and tools for grabbing RSS feeds and output as HTML | Jan 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | they all just stuff the items into an sql database and expect you to delete old items | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can browse github, Slated (used to be here) wrote one | Jan 02 23:24 |
| MinceR | if you don't, they slow to a crawl and gobble memory | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | But you still need a good raw source | Jan 02 23:24 |
| MinceR | i have plans for a filesystem-based one | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | someone is now sending me Spanish translations for techrights again, first time in 4 years... | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | (helps in EPO coverage, for Spanish readers in Europe) | Jan 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there's a FS based around p2p now | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | seen that in reddit today, two such things even | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | it's very popular there right now, a torrent based storage thing (not sure I recall if FS) | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | the Web is shite | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | sorry | Jan 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | but... | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | it used to have blogs | Jan 02 23:26 |
| MinceR | np, it is | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | now a lot of bloggers moved to twitter and FB | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | and this is where they post meaningless drivel | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | one has to do so too in order to 'keep up' | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Now twitter two increases surveillance and censorship | Jan 02 23:26 |
| MinceR | w3c, tbl and mozilla have all dropped the ball | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | and there are not many ACTIVE sites that do real news | Jan 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Just the usual corporate news stuff and twitter users who link to these | Jan 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | mozilla has a blog, maybe I can add that... | Jan 02 23:27 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: "<schestowitz> msb_: non-pro-Russia ones would be of use...like RT and Moscow Times" Where are you getting these from? I don't link to Moscow Times. | Jan 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say you did | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | but Putin has a propagnda network going | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | several inter-connected sites | Jan 02 23:28 |
| msb_ | Why did you address your post to me? | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | the US has those two | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | AP in the mix | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | and AFP from France | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Reuters... | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the whole alternative business | Jan 02 23:28 |
| msb_ | NYT, CNN, Fox... | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | truthdig, counterpunch, reason etc. | Jan 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Viacom, News Corp, CBS... | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | The real owners | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | f*ck em | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I need something to help me avoid these | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | where possible.. | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | and be in English, still.. | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | lastest from Mozilla is this: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/17/firefox-users-can-now-watch-netflix-html5-video-on-windows/ | Jan 02 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox Users Can Now Watch Netflix HTML5 Video on Windows | The Mozilla Blog [ http://ur1.ca/odink ] | Jan 02 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | yay, DRM | Jan 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Windows-only | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | go mozilla... | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Netflix.. | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.mozilla.org/ | Jan 02 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | The Mozilla Blog | News, notes and ramblings from the Mozilla project | Jan 02 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | they seem to be using wordpress | Jan 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | phoronix is iffy | Jan 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | and it scrapes the bottom of the barrel for stories these days (for 2 years now) | Jan 02 23:32 |
| msb_ | I believe you'll find that truthdig and counterpunch agree with RT. If you think that RT is distorting any news, would you please give me details? | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | every small patch that relates to a driver becomes "news" | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | and phoronix does a lot of self-promotion, which is annoying | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | "my garage" posts, "gimme money", new PTS version, best of [MONTH] in Phoronix... | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I need to toss that aside | Jan 02 23:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe will watch techdirt more closely instead, they're still quite goods | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | *good | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | [23:32] <msb_> I believe you'll find that truthdig and counterpunch agree with RT. If you think that RT is distorting any news, would you please give me details? | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | They don't always agree | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | and they don't cross-post, either | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | let's see if Pilger's blog is active, still | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks in twitter is too noisy | Jan 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://feeds.feedburner.com/johnpilger | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | he's not very active | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | last post in november | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | and just over a dozen in the whole year | Jan 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | lol, this rss feed is insane | Jan 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | 369 items in it | Jan 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | John needs to trim it, otherwise each polling for update is massive | Jan 02 23:36 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: You don't want "pro-Russia" sites. What do you think Russia has done wrong that should be reported on? | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested in Russia, it's too "politics" | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I need "real" news sites | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | The Real News Network is video only, almost... | Jan 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Same for Democracy Now, I subscribed for articles, but they're very few | Jan 02 23:37 |
| MinceR | journalism is dead | Jan 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe that in a world with 7bn people, many of whom speak English, it's so hard to find news | Jan 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | A lot is still stenography like AP-Gallup-Pew-Reuters, establishment think tanks as 'reporters' | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seems so | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | even in English | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google shelton adelson bought newspaper | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Why Did Sheldon Adelson Buy Nevada's Largest Newspaper? | http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/why-did-sheldon-adelson-buy-nevadas-largest-newspaper/421035/ | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Sheldon Adelson Bought the Wrong Newspaper - The New York ... | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/dealbook/sheldon-adelson-bought-the-wrong-newspaper.html | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Having Owned Up to Buying Newspaper, Adelsons Go Silent - The ... | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/media/sheldon-adelson-casino-magnate-is-buyer-of-las-vegas-review-journal.html | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Yes, Sheldon Adelson Bought The Las Vegas Review ... - Fortune | http://fortune.com/2015/12/16/sheldon-adelson-bought-the-las-vegas-review-tribune/ | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google shelton adelson israel hayom propaganda | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Think About It: Sheldon Adelson and democracy - Opinion ... | http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Think-About-It-Sheldon-Adelson-and-democracy-381982 | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Real Ruler of Israel: Sheldon Adelson - Counterpunch | http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/13/the-real-ruler-of-israel-sheldon-adelson/ | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Everything You Need to Know About the Israel Hayom (Or anti ... | http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.626053 | Jan 02 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Israel Hayom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Hayom | Jan 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google conservatives telegraph proopaganda | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Telegraph is the Torygraph again with this Conservative propaganda | http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/apr/01/telegraph-is-the-torygraph-again-with-this-conservative-propaganda | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - How the Conservatives orchestrated the letter from business leaders ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/how-the-conservatives-orchestrate-letters-from-business-leaders | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cameron accused of using public funds for Tory spin - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10762922/Cameron-accused-of-using-public-funds-for-Tory-spin.html | Jan 02 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Conservative Party - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/ | Jan 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Same for Koch and Gates in the US and abroad | Jan 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Koch mostly in the US | Jan 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | CBS bought CNET | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | also ZDNet | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | so a lot of tech 'news' is garbage | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | GigaOM is dead, sort of trying to come back to life, but it took money from Microsoft and it shows ("loves Linux" etc.) | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | QuinStreet bought many Linux sites | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | JupiterMedia is kaput because of it | Jan 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Datamation, Linux Today, Linux Planet... | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They nearly killed LinuxDevices | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | We managed to pressure them to give the old articles to Linux Gizmos, which is a great site | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | DesktopLinux.com is permanently dead, except in the Internet Archive | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | WTF is going on? | Jan 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | More Internet.... but less news | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | More FB, Twitter, other crap | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | and fewer RSS feeds, too | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | opensource.com is full of Red Hat's propaganda | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | so it's not a 'real' news site | Jan 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | just something to keep people around.... until Red Hat posts their ads that look like articles | Jan 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Softpedia has been quite good | Jan 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | When they added a new writer dedicated just to Linux and then Marius joined to help him | Jan 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Where do people now get their news, if anyway... | Jan 02 23:44 |
| cubexyz | scientists... | Jan 02 23:49 |
| cubexyz | EPA, Nasa, http://www.sciencenews.org | Jan 02 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencenews.org | Science News | Daily news articles, blogs and biweekly magazine covering all areas of science | Jan 02 23:49 | |
| cubexyz | mass media isn't that good | Jan 02 23:50 |
| cubexyz | as you said before schestowitz... grass roots blogs | Jan 02 23:51 |
| cubexyz | no one is paid :) | Jan 02 23:52 |
| cubexyz | no reason to distort things | Jan 02 23:52 |
| cubexyz | stallman, perens, etc | Jan 02 23:53 |
| cubexyz | just don't even bother with ABC, CBS, NBC | Jan 02 23:54 |
| cubexyz | there's a word for that: infotainment | Jan 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2015/11/21/inhuman-monsters-islamic-state-vs-saudi-arabia/ | Jan 02 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wemeantwell.com | Inhuman Monsters: Islamic State vs Saudi Arabia | Ghosts of Tom Joad - Peter Van Buren | Jan 02 23:55 | |
| cubexyz | you want real news? OK: | Jan 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: RMS has no blog, it's more like a twitter feed | Jan 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | self-hosted by him, not articles | Jan 02 23:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F | Jan 02 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pmel.noaa.gov | What is Ocean Acidification? [ http://ur1.ca/odips ] | Jan 02 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | it's not a news site though | Jan 02 23:56 |
| cubexyz | I thought http://www.stallman.org was his blog | Jan 02 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page | Jan 02 23:56 | |
| cubexyz | well check the NOAA anyway :) | Jan 02 23:58 |
| cubexyz | kind of important | Jan 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I will, hang on... | Jan 02 23:59 |
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