| twitter | OT, the mechanics of abuse. http://www.alternet.org/right... | Aug 21 00:02 |
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| dsmith_ | hey sch | Aug 21 03:29 |
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| dsmith_ | schestowitz: | Aug 21 03:29 |
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| dsmith_ | lol | Aug 21 03:29 |
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| schestowitz | Stating the obvious almost 2 years late: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2... | Aug 21 06:53 |
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| dsmith_ | Microsoft may have 2,000 developers working on Windows 7 - http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/d... | Aug 21 06:55 |
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| dsmith_ | Interesting tidbit | Aug 21 06:55 |
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| schestowitz | Just more hype and vapourware. | Aug 21 06:56 |
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| dsmith_ | I wonder how mnay of those so-called developers are not US citizen's and, if some of them will take 6-months to develop the windows login sound. | Aug 21 06:56 |
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| dsmith_ | i know | Aug 21 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | They still need to make people think about 'tomorrow's Windows', as though it exists. It's intended to freeze the market and it's a form of fraud. | Aug 21 06:57 |
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| dsmith_ | Vista, 5 billion dollars to develop and 6-months to choose a login sound | Aug 21 06:57 |
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| dsmith_ | heh | Aug 21 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, I remember that. | Aug 21 06:57 |
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| dsmith_ | i often ask ppl what are you going to use in 10-years? obviously not windows.. | Aug 21 06:58 |
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| schestowitz | 10 years. I don't think OSes of the current type will exist then. | Aug 21 06:58 |
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| dsmith_ | http://www.imgx.org/pfiles/7762/ubu... | Aug 21 06:59 |
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| dsmith_ | current type? | Aug 21 06:59 |
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| dsmith_ | I dont se them disappearing anytime soon | Aug 21 06:59 |
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| schestowitz | Virtual appliances and clouds are likely. You then architecture the O/S to suit it. | Aug 21 06:59 |
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| dsmith_ | I still do not see that being a viable c=solution | Aug 21 07:00 |
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| dsmith_ | VM apps yes | Aug 21 07:00 |
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| dsmith_ | clouds, for businesses perhaps | Aug 21 07:00 |
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| dsmith_ | depends on the size of the compnay | Aug 21 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | They can run their own 'clouds' for privacy. | Aug 21 07:01 |
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| dsmith_ | yes | Aug 21 07:01 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of Web-based software that didn't exist before is already used in enterprises. | Aug 21 07:01 |
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| dsmith_ | i do know that MS is building alot of data centers.. | Aug 21 07:01 |
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| dsmith_ | web-based...hehe No one at my office understands that.. | Aug 21 07:02 |
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| dsmith_ | I tried to go that route for a few apps | Aug 21 07:02 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is well behind Google. 200,000 servers versus over a million of Google, IIRC. | Aug 21 07:02 |
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| schestowitz | On Bill Gates' pseudoretirement: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008... | Aug 21 07:05 |
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| dsmith_ | 200K windows boxes vs Google's custom linux OS | Aug 21 07:05 |
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| dsmith_ | mS should just focus on one thing | Aug 21 07:06 |
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| schestowitz | They think that just throwing lots of Windows boxes out there is enough, but to get them organised and occupied is the challenge. They can't pull it off too well. Yesterday I posted some links about their spaying on users. Even IE users are tracked by Microsoft everywhere they go. IE is spyware by default. It's a huge security/privacy hazard. | Aug 21 07:08 |
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| dsmith_ | oh yes | Aug 21 07:08 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith_: they can't focus on one thing because rivers run dry and the cash cows are made redundant over time | Aug 21 07:09 |
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| schestowitz | They tried hardware (XBox, Zune), they wanted to produce chips 2 years ago, electricity, banking, loans... you name it, Microsoft has tried it or at least thought about it. The company makes money only in wealthy country and it's not as rich as people are lef to believe. | Aug 21 07:10 |
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| dsmith_ | true | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | "For instance, Microsoft, the world’s most valuable company, declared a profit | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year, plus the | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | change in the value of outstanding options, is deducted, the firm made a loss | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | of $18 billion, according to Smithers." | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://etheridge.ca/articles/... | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| dsmith_ | this sums it up for me, Microsoft Windows def. "32 bit extensions and a graphical shell [on top of] a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition." | Aug 21 07:11 |
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| dsmith_ | i read that so -$18B | Aug 21 07:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's from the Economist (the article above), but it vanished from its source!! | Aug 21 07:12 |
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| schestowitz | And that was /before/ the bubble blew. | Aug 21 07:12 |
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| dsmith_ | wow, they must have had them pull it | Aug 21 07:12 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think so. Too much like it's begging for the 'paranoid' label. Bear in mind that this article was big at the time. Led to quite a stir and cited. Enrons are a scary thing.. | Aug 21 07:13 |
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| dsmith_ | lol | Aug 21 07:13 |
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| dsmith_ | yep | Aug 21 07:13 |
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| dsmith_ | interesting chart http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/image... | Aug 21 07:13 |
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| schestowitz | It makes SPs visible. | Aug 21 07:15 |
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| schestowitz | That's just silly. How much does an SP add? Allchin regretted making XP SPs rather than calling them new releases. 7 is just a Vista SP if it's ever released. It's about escaping a bad name. | Aug 21 07:16 |
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| dsmith_ | I was wondering about that | Aug 21 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7 Server to be 'minor release': http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwa... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates: Windows 7 - Amazing Things - But no clue as to what they actually are : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bill-Gates-Win... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Promises Predictable Schedule for Windows 7: http://www.pcworld.com/business... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7: R.I.P. : http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprise... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Is Microsoft Repeating Vista Mistakes with Windows 7? : http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xh... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7 Shows Microsoft Hasn't Learned Vista Lessons: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/m... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Eight Things About Windows 7: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/ope... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Are These Windows Transparent or Translucent? : http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/operating_syste... we do know about Windows 7: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1413 | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7: The information lockdown continues: http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Clears Gates-Induced Confusion about Windows 7: http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Micro... | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft : Windows 7 still in planning stage and will take approximately 3 years to develop: http://www.winvistaclub.com/i7.html | Aug 21 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Another new one: http://blogs.computerworld.com/windo... "So, what are you going to do? I recommend giving desktop Linux or the Mac a serious look. Vista, whether you call it Vista SP2 or Windows 7, is a dead-end operating system. " | Aug 21 07:32 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe | Aug 21 07:37 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.nin.com/index.html#21... | Aug 21 07:37 |
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| PetoKraus | shows why recording companies are BAD BAD | Aug 21 07:38 |
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| dsmith_ | i responded to sjvn blog | Aug 21 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | Is it them who made torrents for rexises? | Aug 21 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | *remixes? | Aug 21 07:39 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: well, yes | Aug 21 07:39 |
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| *schestowitz thumbs-upped DOUGMan | Aug 21 07:40 |
| PetoKraus | their last album was for free (as in both), the previous album had free sampler (8 tracks out of 36), you could get the whole 36 for 5$ | Aug 21 07:40 |
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| PetoKraus | this vinyl is released by their former recording company though, that's why there is this bitter comment and picture :) | Aug 21 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | Has YouTube Just Been Saved? : 'In the last few months, CBS, Universal Music, Lionsgate, Electronic Arts and other companies have stopped prodding YouTube to remove unauthorized clips of their movies, music videos and other content and started selling advertising against them.' : http://www.computerworlduk.com/tool... | Aug 21 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | U2 tracks disappear from YouTube : "U2's manager Paul McGuinness is likely to be unimpressed. He has been highly critical of companies like Apple and ISPs which he described as" providing "burglary kits" allowing people to steal music." : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Aug 21 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | The price-fixing barriers are being shot down. They have always enjoyed exclusivity i distribution, but the Internet and new artists that can reach the masses end this monopoly. | Aug 21 07:43 |
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| schestowitz | British Government Violates Copyright -- Now Cometh Letter: "As much as I utterly despise the entire premise of Intellectual Monopoly, this is about violating the principles of a Free License, and if it's good enough for the British government to violate our civil rights in the name of Intellectual Monopoly, then it's good enough for the Free World to protect its "property" (in fact Freedom) too…" http://slated.org/british_govern | Aug 21 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | ment_violates_copyright | Aug 21 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/british_gov... | Aug 21 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted in Sutor's blog: What's with the Mono in Second Life. Has SL been taken over by former Softies or something? Please write something about it if you can. | Aug 21 08:44 |
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| dsmith_ | mono/ | Aug 21 08:57 |
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| dsmith_ | ? | Aug 21 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 21 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost as though IBM et al. encourage people to embrace *gasp* .NET and also enable contamination of GNU/Linux. | Aug 21 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | Bear in mind that Sutor does not like Mono. I don't know if it's just because of the s/w patents thing or because, as he recently said, it's important to stop copying Windows (or Microsoft). | Aug 21 09:00 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe! great | Aug 21 09:24 |
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| PetoKraus | that british government thing | Aug 21 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of copies were sent, including to Lessig, WordPress' co-founder and others who won't be too happy pappy (even me). | Aug 21 09:28 |
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| PetoKraus | that's retarded | Aug 21 09:30 |
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| PetoKraus | british govt is retarded | Aug 21 09:30 |
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| PetoKraus | my friend, he's from london. he lived 3 years in turkey with his father. Then he came back to britain | Aug 21 09:30 |
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| schestowitz | Gardon's office is probably as bad as the rest. It just happens to be exposed. | Aug 21 09:31 |
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| PetoKraus | he has to pay for the school in scotland (classifying him as a person not spending last 3 years in the EU) | Aug 21 09:31 |
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| PetoKraus | while he's born english | Aug 21 09:31 |
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| PetoKraus | and the best part - he has to pay international fees, which are 12 grand per year (instead of 1.7 grand) | Aug 21 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | For school? You mean, college/university? | Aug 21 09:32 |
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| PetoKraus | yup | Aug 21 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's a mechanism to feed professors and keeping the poor people away from opportunities. | Aug 21 09:32 |
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| PetoKraus | the irony is - I, as a EU national, don't have to pay a penny. He, as a born englishman, who happened to live part of his life in Turkey, has to pay 12 grand. | Aug 21 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | EU nationals have different fares though. | Aug 21 09:35 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, SAAS pays 1.7k for me | Aug 21 09:36 |
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| PetoKraus | i wonder about that guy, mcGuinness | Aug 21 09:50 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, how can you "steal" music? | Aug 21 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | I've just stolen your message | Aug 21 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | "<PetoKraus> i mean, how can you "steal" music?" BWAHAHAHA!! | Aug 21 09:51 |
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| PetoKraus | oh noes! | Aug 21 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | Well, the point anyway is that it's a matter of perception, education, brainwash. | Aug 21 09:52 |
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| PetoKraus | but that'd mean i can't use that message again, since if it's stolen i don't have it, right/ | Aug 21 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | That said, there's copyright law, but its extension and change is outdated. | Aug 21 09:52 |
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| PetoKraus | but... but when you play piano and someone records it, he doesn't violate any copyright law | Aug 21 09:52 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, i think there wasn't any "copyright notice" | Aug 21 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people have come to recognise fair use and sharing of ideas.. Who are we to claim ownership of text that merely mixes (mashup) bits of information we learned? | Aug 21 09:53 |
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| PetoKraus | that recording seagulls in this area is prohibited | Aug 21 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Musicians too are merely making use of inspirations | Aug 21 09:53 |
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| PetoKraus | moreover, i guess the attribution part was satisfied on youtube | Aug 21 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find something. | Aug 21 09:54 |
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| PetoKraus | soon, they'll prohibit you from taking pictures of buildings | Aug 21 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/intellectual_insanity | Aug 21 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | This one is better: http://slated.org/the_right_to_ow... | Aug 21 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: taking photos of stuff is already forbidden (to an extent) in the US. I'm not joking. | Aug 21 09:56 |
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| PetoKraus | well, yes, it's forbidden for army stuff all around the world, i guess | Aug 21 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/1... | Aug 21 09:57 |
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| PetoKraus | and if you take picture of someone and want to use it commercially, you should have his confirmation | Aug 21 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Then there’s the Lone Cypress, a tree along California’s famous 17-Mile Drive. It’s probably the most infamous example of someone trying to exert ridiculous intellectual property rights. They must’ve made it sound like a good idea, though, because it seems that the idea of copyrighting trees is catching on." | Aug 21 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Just found: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsst... : "There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals publicly -- and their customers are using it, so it's important that Microsoft have a good interoperability story on that front. Linking up with a Linux vendor is a good way to do that," added Paul DeGroot, a Directions On Microsoft analyst. | Aug 21 10:10 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Co... this is good to know | Aug 21 10:14 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Aug 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz | The 'right' to see. | Aug 21 10:15 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) yes | Aug 21 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | The Aliens are watching us up there in the sky laughing. Trust me, I can tell!! :-) | Aug 21 10:16 |
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| PetoKraus | :) let's sue them, they are infringing some IP rights for sure! | Aug 21 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | Only if they take satellite images. | Aug 21 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | 29% of Internet Users Buy from Spam: http://news.softpedia.com/news/2... | Aug 21 10:22 |
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| blackrabbit | I would like to step on a suse ms coupon over and over | Aug 21 12:03 |
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| MinceR | i would like to step on steve ballmer over and over | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| blackrabbit | lol | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | He has chair. | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| blackrabbit | someone should make a theme party called steve ballmer egg paint ball | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | In Microsoft, that is. | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | blackrabbit: there's a site for this. | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| blackrabbit | oh my | Aug 21 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.egg-attack.com/ | Aug 21 12:05 |
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| blackrabbit | :P | Aug 21 12:06 |
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| blackrabbit | why am I not surprised | Aug 21 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | Have you seen it before? | Aug 21 12:08 |
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| blackrabbit | no | Aug 21 12:08 |
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| blackrabbit | flash, right? | Aug 21 12:08 |
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| blackrabbit | I don't load flash sites | Aug 21 12:08 |
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| blackrabbit | that would require me using proprietary flash | Aug 21 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, indeed. | Aug 21 12:12 |
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| blackrabbit | I can't do that! | Aug 21 12:12 |
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| blackrabbit | did you read about the recent clipboard issue with flash? | Aug 21 12:13 |
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| blackrabbit | one example | Aug 21 12:13 |
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| blackrabbit | schestowitz, last time, I left when you had just mentioned Bilderberg. Now there's an interesting subject. | Aug 21 12:15 |
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| blackrabbit | <schestowitz> Not to mention Gardon and Tony and their connection with the Bilderberg, with which the Gates family too is associated. | Aug 21 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 21 12:20 |
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| *schestowitz got distracted by a post on FSF India | Aug 21 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Melinda goes to these meetings. I don't know about Bill though. They have a chatter down the hallway. That's how business works. | Aug 21 12:21 |
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| blackrabbit | like Rice and Russia | Aug 21 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | Really? I knew nothing about it. What does she have to do with 'them' (sarcastically speaking)? | Aug 21 12:26 |
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| blackrabbit | I was speaking along the lines of, or hinting at, sending a softer approach | Aug 21 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | (Because, you know, in America the 'them' are now the Muslims). | Aug 21 12:27 |
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| blackrabbit | Rice and Russia, Melinda and Bilderberg | Aug 21 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Softer" or "Microsoft-softer"? | Aug 21 12:27 |
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| blackrabbit | for example | Aug 21 12:27 |
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| blackrabbit | let's say I was a high profile person in the world of business | Aug 21 12:27 |
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| blackrabbit | let's say my wife or husband were not so high profile | Aug 21 12:28 |
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| blackrabbit | were I to attend a controversial meeting or newsworthy event some may not agree with | Aug 21 12:28 |
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| blackrabbit | how would this be viewed and would the hounds of the world cry out with commentary | Aug 21 12:28 |
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| blackrabbit | vs. my parter going | Aug 21 12:28 |
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| blackrabbit | IMO it's about image | Aug 21 12:28 |
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| blackrabbit | I'm not sure I understand the them and Muslim reference | Aug 21 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | Regarding the former point, see Deborah Majoras (FTC head) and her husband. | Aug 21 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Coflicting interest, she made a mockery out of the FTC IMHO, then left to join P&G | Aug 21 12:30 |
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| blackrabbit | schestowitz have you ever visited America, will you ever? | Aug 21 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Regarding the latter, in the mind of 'the people', governments try to install some poison. | Aug 21 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | In the past, the 'they' (bad guys) were the Soviets. Now it's the Muslim world, based on what I've learned. Not my opinion though. | Aug 21 12:31 |
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| blackrabbit | I have not, but I'd surely go if there was something interesting enough to compel me, like the launch of Linux on desktops at all major OEMs. :D | Aug 21 12:31 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/0... | Aug 21 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen it. Asked them about this too. | Aug 21 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | blackrabbit: yes, visited America several times. I have some family there. | Aug 21 12:34 |
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| blackrabbit | how did you like it | Aug 21 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | I liked it more when I was younger. | Aug 21 12:34 |
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| blackrabbit | secondlife, the game? | Aug 21 12:35 |
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| blackrabbit | what is the blog post about, is it using mono or something? | Aug 21 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Mono on the servers. | Aug 21 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's not news to me. I noticed that about a month ago, but now they make a post about it. | Aug 21 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Since some of the management there had jumped ship, I asked Sutor if some former Softies or something were hired. He doesn't like Mono and hopefully this can be stopped. | Aug 21 12:38 |
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| blackrabbit | is it just me, or is the MS creep coming from all sides? | Aug 21 12:40 |
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| blackrabbit | mono, silverfish, suezee, etc. | Aug 21 12:41 |
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| blackrabbit | the FSF could be doing a lot more | Aug 21 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but it's because they move between company. | Aug 21 12:41 |
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| blackrabbit | I think they need a cerebral kick in the balls | Aug 21 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | I have a must-read for you... to be posted shortly. | Aug 21 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft and VMWare make peace just weeks after Maritz (Micorsofter) took over. | Aug 21 12:42 |
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| blackrabbit | the badvista site, for one, needs a facelift and more frequently added news | Aug 21 12:42 |
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| blackrabbit | thanks | Aug 21 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | There's potentially more. | Aug 21 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday I posted a link that was discussed here. | Aug 21 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | let me find it. | Aug 21 12:43 |
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| blackrabbit | I enjoyed your post a few weeks ago which we discussed in here about corporate "plants" | Aug 21 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Former Head of Business Development and M&A for Microsoft Office Live Joins TASER International as Chief Strategy Officer - http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/former-h... | Aug 21 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | "Strategy" = buy Microsoft? | Aug 21 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | I saw this with Vodaphone. They just need to plant some execs in decision-making roles. This seems to have been the strategy against XenSource. | Aug 21 12:44 |
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| blackrabbit | taser? | Aug 21 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | TASER | Aug 21 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | "TASER International's products protect life. TASER provides advanced Electronic Control Devices (ECDs) for use in the law enforcement, medical, military, corrections, professional security, and personal protection markets. TASER devices use proprietary technology to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk to law enforcement officers, innocent citizens.." | Aug 21 12:44 |
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| blackrabbit | what's the status of Zimbra? | Aug 21 12:44 |
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| blackrabbit | is it the only exchange alternative? | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| blackrabbit | oh | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | Still alive, bad PR though. The beast is still sweating and dripping and drooling over it. | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| blackrabbit | nice | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| blackrabbit | this reminds me of their (MS) involvement in some grocery store ad targeting | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| blackrabbit | deeper and deeper they go | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| blackrabbit | wasn't there something a few months ago about ms and hospitals, too | Aug 21 12:45 |
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| blackrabbit | I could've sworn I read something | Aug 21 12:46 |
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| blackrabbit | speaking of PR, schestowitz, it's a shame you don't have more people working directly @ bn, you should write a book and go more high profile | Aug 21 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, gosh. Do you already have some Microsoft grocery carts? | Aug 21 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft wants medical data too. | Aug 21 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe while you're out shopping your banner will display prescription/medication recommended based on your medical records. And the strangers go past watching... | Aug 21 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.wired.com/business... Microsoft Responds To Congress: Hey, We Could Be Worse! | Aug 21 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.crn.com.au/News/82862,m... Microsoft tracks people with RFID tags | Aug 21 12:48 |
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| blackrabbit | lol | Aug 21 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | All from yesterday. Another one: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/m... Microsoft: Of Course We Spy On Our Web Users. But Not As Much As The Other Guys | Aug 21 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Wah wah wah!! He started it!!!111" | Aug 21 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft owes a lot to Google. Google permitted Microsoft to sink to new moral grounds and give Orwell the middle finger. | Aug 21 12:49 |
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| blackrabbit | I'm surprised a company exists to balance the MS element | Aug 21 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | You probably want to watch the video in this new post (seconds old): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/bo... | Aug 21 12:54 |
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| blackrabbit | thanks | Aug 21 12:54 |
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| blackrabbit | I appreciate your use of ogg | Aug 21 12:54 |
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| blackrabbit | what program(s) do you use for your video creation? | Aug 21 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | On to the Maritz article. | Aug 21 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | I use ffmpeg | Aug 21 12:55 |
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| blackrabbit | oh | Aug 21 12:56 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/200... | Aug 21 12:56 |
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| blackrabbit | have you tried winff? it's available for linux, too, despite the name | Aug 21 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks for that. | Aug 21 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | I have it in my text file for some editing and posting in about an hour. | Aug 21 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | blackrabbit: is it for editing? I only ever transcode. | Aug 21 13:00 |
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| trmanco | you're welcome :) | Aug 21 13:01 |
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| blackrabbit | http://www.winff.org/ "Convert your videos quickly, easily, and all at once with WinFF and FFmpeg. WinFF is a GUI for the command line video converter, FFMPEG. It will convert most any video file that FFmpeg will convert. WinFF does multiple files in multiple formats at one time. You can for example convert mpeg's, flv's, and mov's, all into avi's all at once. WinFF is available for Windows 95, 98 , ME, NT, XP, and VISTA, Deb | Aug 21 13:01 |
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| blackrabbit | ian, Ubuntu, and Redhat based GNU/Linux distributions." | Aug 21 13:01 |
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| blackrabbit | appears to be a converter | Aug 21 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | I think I have it bookmarked, unless it's something else. The CLI is quicker for me. | Aug 21 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Also keeps things private, in case I transcode copyrighted things, which I don't. | Aug 21 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait. | Aug 21 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't follow the URL and I thought it was Web-based. | Aug 21 13:03 |
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| blackrabbit | hell no | Aug 21 13:03 |
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| blackrabbit | I'd never recommend one of those | Aug 21 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Either way, in the past I used PyTube, but it wasn't good the last time I tried it. Google moved goalposts or something./ | Aug 21 13:03 |
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| blackrabbit | WinFF appears to be a frontend for ffmpeg | Aug 21 13:04 |
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| blackrabbit | I installed it but I've not tried it since installing :/ | Aug 21 13:04 |
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| blackrabbit | give it a try, it could speed things up for you | Aug 21 13:05 |
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| blackrabbit | I resort to using wine for some converters | Aug 21 13:05 |
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| blackrabbit | some free converters found at sourceforge | Aug 21 13:06 |
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| blackrabbit | wish they were ported to nix but what can you do | Aug 21 13:06 |
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| blackrabbit | I'm giving reactos a try now and then too | Aug 21 13:06 |
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| blackrabbit | it works well in qemu but it has a long way to go IMO | Aug 21 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... if only I was feeling slow with ffmpeg | Aug 21 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's really in bash history or a copy-and-paste job for me. | Aug 21 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | I have a good workflow as it is. I edit all my posts in Kate, which is a development tool (editor). :-) | Aug 21 13:08 |
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| blackrabbit | I used to do it that way, too | Aug 21 13:08 |
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| blackrabbit | for most purposes ffmpeg at CLI works well | Aug 21 13:08 |
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| blackrabbit | oh, you use KDE? or KDE4? | Aug 21 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | 3.5.9 | Aug 21 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Can you recommend a good HTML editor? | Aug 21 13:10 |
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| blackrabbit | nice | Aug 21 13:10 |
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| blackrabbit | Kate? :D | Aug 21 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'll use 4.x, but I just worry about having an NVidia GPU. | Aug 21 13:11 |
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| blackrabbit | I don't edit HTML, sorry IDK | Aug 21 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | The Plasma guy (Aarons's colleague) last complained about NVidia's latest drivers (beta, IIRC) yesterday. | Aug 21 13:11 |
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| blackrabbit | I'd worry too, proprietary software and all | Aug 21 13:12 |
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| blackrabbit | well beta software is beta :D | Aug 21 13:12 |
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| *blackrabbit whispers winff to schestowitz several times | Aug 21 13:13 |
| blackrabbit | try it try it try it | Aug 21 13:13 |
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| blackrabbit | you want to try it | Aug 21 13:13 |
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| blackrabbit | I don't know why they call it winff when its available for linux | Aug 21 13:14 |
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| blackrabbit | you think he'd change the name for the linux version | Aug 21 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | How will it improve my workflow. Also, ffmpeg is more universal. I can have it hop between distros and work many years from now. | Aug 21 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Is winff even on the repos? Is it GPL? | Aug 21 13:17 |
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| MinceR | 141401 <@schestowitz> Can you recommend a good HTML editor? | Aug 21 13:17 |
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| MinceR | gvim :> | Aug 21 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | *GASP* My knees buckle when I hear "vim" | Aug 21 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | I can't even remember the strokes for "save file" anymore. | Aug 21 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | (Been a long while since I lost X). | Aug 21 13:18 |
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| MinceR | :w filename | Aug 21 13:18 |
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| MinceR | or use the menu or the toolbar :> | Aug 21 13:18 |
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| MinceR | (or just :w if it has a name already) | Aug 21 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Does it do tabbling with multiple open files? I think it does, but... | Aug 21 13:19 |
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| MinceR | yes it does | Aug 21 13:22 |
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| blackrabbit | is winff gpl, yes I think so you can compile it yourself | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| blackrabbit | is it in the repos? | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| blackrabbit | dont know about all but it should be soon if not yet | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| Tallken | OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| blackrabbit | the guy released a version for linux several months ago | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| Tallken | http://www.techzonept.com/showt... | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| Tallken | notice the brand of Ballmer's laptop | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| Tallken | ........................ | Aug 21 13:23 |
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| MinceR | well, m$ owns part of crapple, don't they? | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| MinceR | and they're the same kind of bastards, it's just that crapple isn't that successful | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| Tallken | don't know | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| Tallken | and to be honest | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| Tallken | Apple has Bootcamp | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| Tallken | even so | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| Tallken | it's... well... | Aug 21 13:24 |
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| *Tallken searching for approppriate word | Aug 21 13:25 |
| MinceR | the bootcamp that was broken by an upgrade ;) | Aug 21 13:25 |
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| Tallken | I can't find a word | Aug 21 13:25 |
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| Tallken | but this explains my point of view, more or less | Aug 21 13:25 |
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| Tallken | http://xkcd.com/463/ | Aug 21 13:25 |
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| Tallken | ("Voting Machines") | Aug 21 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | I hope the quotes at the bottom of http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08... will at least open some eyes. | Aug 21 13:27 |
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| blackrabbit | http://cad-comic.com/comi... | Aug 21 13:28 |
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| Tallken | hum | Aug 21 13:29 |
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| Tallken | don't get it | Aug 21 13:29 |
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| Tallken | I know AOL sucks | Aug 21 13:30 |
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| Tallken | but... ? | Aug 21 13:30 |
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| MinceR | i prefer http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.co... | Aug 21 13:30 |
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| blackrabbit | ha | Aug 21 13:32 |
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| Tallken | ROFL | Aug 21 13:32 |
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| Tallken | Everybody has a Mac now | Aug 21 13:32 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Aug 21 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people have a Linux partition. | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | personally I liked Macs until I started chatting with Mac users | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | nice people | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | but fan boys | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | now I know I'd become like them | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | so | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rss... : | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| MinceR | thankfully i don't have any crapple products | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | cheap PC laptop :D | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | ""There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals publicly -- and their customers are using it, so it's important that Microsoft have a good interoperability story on that front. Linking up with a Linux vendor is a good way to do that," added Paul DeGroot, a Directions On Microsoft analyst." | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| Tallken | for me | Aug 21 13:33 |
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| MinceR | i don't even know why macs exist -- they're designed for people so stupid they can't benefit from having a computer in the first place | Aug 21 13:34 |
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| Tallken | <schestowitz> A lot of people have a Linux partition. :: well I have to agree with Linux Hater there | Aug 21 13:36 |
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| Tallken | http://linuxhaters.blogsp... | Aug 21 13:36 |
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| Tallken | €« But the best part is that it confuses OSStards. It makes them cry. "Oh my god! it's so~~ non-free! but it's so~~ pretty. Oh I know! let me buy a Mac, and then run Linux on it. That'll show them!" €» | Aug 21 13:36 |
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| MinceR | yeah, let's praise crapple for stealing code from the FLOSS community that its authors were naive enough to license under the BSD license | Aug 21 13:37 |
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| Tallken | MinceR: well they can do it | Aug 21 13:37 |
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| MinceR | part of what makes human "civilization" hell is that people think that being assholes to others makes them cool | Aug 21 13:38 |
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| Tallken | MinceR: what annoys me is the massive migration of Linux Users to Mac | Aug 21 13:38 |
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| MinceR | there is such a migration? | Aug 21 13:38 |
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| Tallken | yes | Aug 21 13:38 |
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| MinceR | but then again i wouldn't expect a single word making sense from a blog called "linuxhaters" anyway | Aug 21 13:39 |
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| Tallken | MinceR: but don't you agree with him there? | Aug 21 13:39 |
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| Tallken | in the line I quoted? | Aug 21 13:39 |
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| MinceR | i don't | Aug 21 13:39 |
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| Tallken | Well schestowitz believes he can be part of some discredibility campaign | Aug 21 13:40 |
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| MinceR | i don't think it happens to most "OSStards" | Aug 21 13:40 |
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| Tallken | and he has criticized BoycottNovell once | Aug 21 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | While writing my current post I notice this: | Aug 21 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com/opsys... :Dell joins Microsoft Linux 'protection' deal | Aug 21 13:40 |
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| Tallken | He has made some fairly rational critics in the past | Aug 21 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Notice the date. It happened a week or so before the attack on Linux... | Aug 21 13:41 |
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| Tallken | though now he is just posting Links and writing rants | Aug 21 13:41 |
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| Tallken | what attack on Linux? | Aug 21 13:41 |
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| MinceR | most people who use FLOSS have the brains to realize that if they wanted that crappy gaudy osx look, they have lots of ways to get it in x | Aug 21 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Also... watch what Perens said about H-P sort of receiving an advanced warning about SCO's attack. It came from a Microsoft document. | Aug 21 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | I think we may be on to something here because the Dell agreement above was always fuzzy. | Aug 21 13:41 |
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| Tallken | MinceR: they don't the trouble to configure it | Aug 21 13:42 |
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| Tallken | anyway | Aug 21 13:42 |
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| Tallken | me lunch | Aug 21 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the migration is mythical and exaggerated by Mac fans like Asay. | Aug 21 13:42 |
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| Tallken | cya | Aug 21 13:42 |
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| MinceR | sadly knowing that wouldn't have prevented me from buying this piece-of-shit dell laptop as i did it before that | Aug 21 13:42 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, MinceR, have you seen photos of Firefox Launch Party? | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| MinceR | nope | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| Tallken | I could only see people with Macs | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i figured. | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| Tallken | I know it was ONE photo only | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: haven't seen a photo | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| Tallken | but only Macs | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| Tallken | I was trying to find it | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's well known though. | Aug 21 13:43 |
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| MinceR | if they all use macs, how come windows is the platform they support best? | Aug 21 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Don't fall into the vortex of Mac and the myths. | Aug 21 13:44 |
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| MinceR | oh, i know... perhaps they all run vista on those macs! | Aug 21 13:44 |
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| Tallken | rofl | Aug 21 13:45 |
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| Tallken | don't know | Aug 21 13:45 |
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| Tallken | anyway | Aug 21 13:45 |
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| Tallken | me gone | Aug 21 13:45 |
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| Tallken | lunch | Aug 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | A Mac is a PC. It's a computer. Mac OS X is BSD... with some layer that's all proprietary. So these Mac vs PC discussions are overly simplified, IMHO. | Aug 21 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | BSD is very liberal and it's no threat to GNU/Linux but a friend. The key lies in educating Mac users that programs like Firefox and Thunderbird exist and that they work on cheaper and better platforms too. | Aug 21 13:50 |
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| MinceR | a mac is a crappy pc with one of the lamest os-es preinstalled | Aug 21 13:51 |
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| MinceR | also, overpriced | Aug 21 13:51 |
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| MinceR | and yes, crapple ads have made their fans forget that macs are PCs and that what they refer to as "PC" is actually windows. | Aug 21 13:51 |
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| MinceR | BSD is not a threat to GNU/Linux, it's a threat to itself | Aug 21 13:52 |
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| MinceR | and the BSD community is a threat to BSD too | Aug 21 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Well, it's the OpenBSD people that are fearsome. They follow a rebellious man who got kicked from FreeBSD I'm told... it's not a bad think though. | Aug 21 13:54 |
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