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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/notdsk/status/1171172604192989186Sep 10 01:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@notdsk: Imortant information regarding the future of free and open software and what #microsoft is doing to prevent it https://t.co/CeO555Qu8jSep 10 01:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Takedown Plot – Part III: Making GNU/Linux About ‘Choice’ Instead of Freedom (as in Software Freedom) | TechrightsSep 10 01:32
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/09/04/brexit-cannot-be-an-argument-to-delay-german-ratification-unified-patent-court-agreement/Sep 10 02:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | 'Brexit cannot be an argument to delay German ratification Unified Patent Court Agreement' - Kluwer Patent BlogSep 10 02:05
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzOne can only agree with the fellow commenters. The whole stance of Mr Christof Augenstein is a pro-domo plea, comforted by a heavy dose of wishful thinking.Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzFor a litigation lawyer shaping a completely new legal system is certainly a good perspective, at least moneywise. That judges might come from different legal systems is certainly to be seen positively, but in the countries with a lot of litigations there will be two national judges sitting in the panels of first instance. And even with a third judge, or on top a technical judge, the two nationals will be able to give the tone, as there Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzwill be always a majority possible for the two national judges, be it 2/1 or 3/2 as the chairman has a casting vote. It is not foreseen that a foreign judge will be chairman when two national judges will be in the panel, as this would be the only possibility to avoid a too heavy reliance on national legal traditions at the local level.Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzIt is good for the judges to have a lot of discretion, but which body will be able to check whether the discretion has been correctly applied? The UPC, like the Boards of Appeal of the EPO suffer from the fact that nowhere the discretion can be challenged. The EBA as well as the court of appeal of the UPC will only revise decisions from the lower instance on procedural points.Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzWho said that the UPC will be incorporating the best approaches from various jurisdictions? The UPC foresees for instance a procedure called forced intervention. See R 316.2A UPC. This rule means that a third party can be bound by a decision of the UPC even if it has not taken part in the proceedings, after having been invited to do so.Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzSuch a rule only exists in some member states of the EU, for instance in France, where I never heard it was applied, but not in the vast majority of EU member states. This rule alone poses a constitutional problem, as it is difficult to understand, and even less to accept, that a party can be bound by the result of a procedure it has not participated in. As the UPC Rules of Procedure were not part of the ratification process, the Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzconstitutionality of such a measure has not been checked whatsoever.Sep 10 02:05
schestowitzAnother major constitutional problem which has not been resolved is the fact that a UPC judge can be removed from office by a decision of the Presidium, cf. Art 10 of the statute, but the same statute does not offer any means of redress to such a removed judge.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzThe statute is integral part of the UPC, and one wonders how such an incredible rule has at all been ratified. I guess the CJEU may have some interesting comments to make on this point, but everything possible has been made so that the CJEU did not put its nose in the UPC beforehand. One wonders why?Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzWhen talking about the necessity to find a worldwide solution for litigation, this is an alibi. How many patents are actually litigated worldwide? Probably a handful a year. May be two. The creation of a system like the UPC will only profit to either legal firms, or the big industry. So no wonder that Mr Augenstein is very keen on the UPC. Imagine the fees for a supranational litigation! That’s bingo.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzAt least the truth about the usefulness of the UPC for SMEs has now come out: it is nil, contrary to what has been heralded by all the champions of the UPC, for instance the previous president of the EPO. The net result of the UPC is that the SMEs will be under an enormous pressure from the side of big industry, as they will never have pockets as deep as the latter. One can expect a war of attrition towards SMEs.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzThis effect on SMEs, with on top about 2/3 of European patents granted to non-European applicants (official EPO figures), one wonders why on Earth the UPC was necessary for Europe? The few trans-EU litigations a year do not warrant such a monster like the UPC. I honestly do not see the advantages the UPC can bring about, certainly not for Europe.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzIt has been said that the UPC is the revenge of the lawyers over patent representatives; I did not believe it when it came out, but the more time goes by, the more I have to agree.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzI personally hope that the UPC will never come into force, as this monster is by no means necessary to deal with possible problems, unless there is a wish to maximise profits. This only the case of lawyer firms and of big industry.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzThe UPC is the result of intense lobbying by certain circles which pushed politicians to agree on something they could not understand, but looked good at a glance. The famous decision of the European Parliament about the non-patentability of software is a similar issue, i.e. the result of intense lobbying of anti-software patent groups.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:06
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzAttentive, I always read your stuff with interest. Here, I would confine my comment to one word you chose, namely “revenge” (of the attorneys at law, over the patent attorneys). I doubt they see it as revenge. I doubt the patent attorneys see it as revenge. Me, who started in the patent attorney profession before the EPO opened its doors for business in 1978, see the UPC thinking of the attorney at law community as simply (and Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzunderstandably) the need to restore “service as usual” (after decades of inexplicable inability to corner the legal services market).Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzWhat I mean is that the conduct of disputed proceedings at the EPO, with the fate of patent rights in up to 38 sovereign States at risk in one single opposition proceedings, inexplicably secure in the hands of patent attorney firms and NOT attorneys at law. Why? Because clients are not dumb. Rather, they are unsentimental, even ruthless. Simply, after the routine “beauty contest” phase, they place the commission in the hands of that Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzfirm which they think has the best chance of winning the case. And even now, the patent attorney firms are winning these beauty contests.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzWhat an outrageous affront to the dignity of the international law firms who see it as their unique privilege to handle such valuable cases. How must they feel when, after the ubiquitous “beauty contest” the client decides to entrust not them but, rather, a patent attorney firm, with the job of winning the core case at the EPO. Is it not this which is driving them on, to establish the UPC?Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzOf course, one of their chief facilitators was the former President of the EPO. As to his motives, one can only speculate, but I doubt that it was to improve the efficiency of the prosecution of pan-European disputes as to the validity of a claim of a patent. The big thing is validity. The issue whether or not the claim is infringed is normally easier to settle without going all the way to a court of appeal. So, for the attorney at law Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzprofession, using the UPC to squeeze out the EPO is very important to their turnover and profit figures.Sep 10 02:06
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:06
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/09/07/great-uncertainty-but-preparations-for-unitary-patent-system-continue/Sep 10 02:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Great uncertainty, but preparations for Unitary Patent system continue - Kluwer Patent BlogSep 10 02:07
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzIf nothing would happen about the UPC, it would clearly mean that its proponents consider that it is dead before the actual announcement of death has occurred.Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzThat therefore preparations continue is nothing surprising and can certainly not be taken as a guarantee that the UPC will ever come into force.Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzWhen reading the preceding blog, it also becomes abundantly clear, that the UPC is not for SMEs, and in view of the attitude of certain EU members towards the UPC for some European Countries like Poland.Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzThat Portugal and Slovenia have ratified is no surprise, as they have been lured into the UPC by the promise of arbitration chambers.Sep 10 02:07
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/09/07/great-uncertainty-but-preparations-for-unitary-patent-system-continue/Sep 10 02:07
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzBut although they are part of the Kingdom of Denmark, the UP system doesn’t cover the Faeroe Islands or Greenland.Sep 10 02:07
schestowitzThe Faeroe Islands and Greenland are self-governing (autonomous) territories within the Kingdom of Denmark. The two territories have ceded from the European Union and therefore cannot become members of the UPC. Further, they are also not signatories to the EPC. Patent protection for the territories can only be obtained via a national Danish patent application.Sep 10 02:07
schestowitz'Sep 10 02:07
schestowitz"Article 38 of the draft UPC agreement specifically mentiones referal of questions to the European Court of Justice. It is probably not a very important core article, but I cannot see how the agreement including this article can come into force in the UK if the UK leaves the EU. To me it looks like the agreement needs to be amended to remove or change this provision, which probably means that it needs to be ratified again by all members. Sep 10 02:08
schestowitzNot impossible, as the agreement remains the same from a pragmatic point of view, but it will likely result in a significant further delay."Sep 10 02:08
schestowitz"Concerned, you appear to be under the misapprehension that the UPCA cannot come into force post-Brexit. Your other post you refer to does not give any persuasive reasoning as to why this should be so and would appear to be an opinion which is not shared by the legal community. As required by the Agreement on a Unified Patent Court, the UK has ratified the agreement. There does not appear to be a requirement that the UK is still a member Sep 10 02:08
schestowitzof the EU on the start date."Sep 10 02:08
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2019/09/07/great-uncertainty-but-preparations-for-unitary-patent-system-continue/Sep 10 02:08
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/swedish-patents-and-market-court-of.html?showComment=1568056401334#c5561840273636492595Sep 10 02:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Swedish Patents and Market Court of Appeal requests CJEU to clarify concept of “public” in new CJEU reference - The IPKatSep 10 02:10
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:10
schestowitzSince any court dealing with a claim of infringement must be able to see the work which is the subject of the claim, and this necessarily means that a copy or copies must be made to allow this to happen, I would be amazed if the CJEU found that making copies available to the court for strictly judicial purposes involved any kind of public either in terms of Articles 2, 3 or 4. To find otherwise would lead to the absurd situation where a Sep 10 02:10
schestowitzcourt would need to seek the permission of the right holder before it could hear a claim. In other words a right granted by the State was so powerful it rendered the State powerless carry out effective judicial oversight.Sep 10 02:10
schestowitzThe fact that it has never been necessary to spell this out in statute points to the obviousness of the answer. Once the CJEU make it clear that the legal process stands above such matters, the second part, ie whether the wider public beyond the court may lawfully see the copies which are the subject of the proceedings, falls squarely to be addressed by Art 5(3)(e) of the InfoSoc Directive, meaning that the making available issue is a Sep 10 02:10
schestowitzlegal exception. As for the fact that Article 4 is not covered by the Article 5 exceptions, I have always thought this was an absurd situation given the enormous overlap between Articles 3 and 4, especially where the internet is concerned. I rather expect the CJEU to duck that point because if it tries to address it head on it will dig a bear-trap for itself which will make the messy current situation over linking with and without Sep 10 02:10
schestowitzauthorisation look like a mere trifle. Sep 10 02:10
schestowitzYet another reason why, instead of getting bogged down with the Digital Single Market, the Commission would have been far better occupied coming up with a new InfoSoc Directive which was fit for the current digital world, and didn't require the CJEU to spend much of its time making up new law. Sep 10 02:10
schestowitz"Sep 10 02:10
schestowitz>>> http://techrights.org/2019/07/26/story-of-eric-lundgren/Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>>Sep 10 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Legal Attacks on Eric Lundgren Demonstrate There’s No ‘New’ Microsoft Except a Super-Vicious, Law-Twisting Thug | TechrightsSep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>> http://techrights.org/2019/07/27/microsoft-windows-injustice/Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>>Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>> http://techrights.org/2019/08/03/microsoft-vs-heroes/Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>>Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>> http://techrights.org/2019/08/04/reducing-microsoft-profits/Sep 10 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Windows Puts Recyclers Like Eric Lundgren in Prison and Patients Six Feet Under the Ground | TechrightsSep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>>Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>> http://techrights.org/2019/08/04/righttorepair/Sep 10 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Put an Innocent, Heroic Man in Prison. Then Microsoft Ran Away. | TechrightsSep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>>Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>> http://techrights.org/2019/08/05/satya-nadella-fleeing-lundgren/Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz>> There are more parts on the way. We have not yet published the legalSep 10 02:52
schestowitz>> docs or showed the work he was doing. Better to add an index when it'sSep 10 02:52
schestowitz>> all cimplete.Sep 10 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Being Microsoft, Bullying Everyone Who Reduces Microsoft’s Profits | TechrightsSep 10 02:52
schestowitz>>Sep 10 02:52
schestowitz> Any update from Lundgren?Sep 10 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft’s War on the Right to Repair (One’s Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an ‘Enemy’ to Microsoft | TechrightsSep 10 02:52
schestowitzOnly that he's still adapting after being freed.Sep 10 02:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Damage Control Mode: Satya Nadella Fleeing Lundgren After Realising What Microsoft Had Done | TechrightsSep 10 02:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RedOwlDr/status/1171045169400926209Sep 10 03:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RedOwlDr: @schestowitz https://t.co/SglPC5vVoNSep 10 03:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RedOwlDr: @schestowitz https://t.co/SglPC5vVoNSep 10 03:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/nomibwave/status/1171054868884156416Sep 10 03:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nomibwave: @ClimateHuman @schestowitz Stop billionaires flying on private planes aloneSep 10 03:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1171073795362349061Sep 10 03:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Making Git fully distributed and uncensorable looks like a plan.Sep 10 03:23
schestowitzneed to make a startSep 10 03:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/1171085482702331904Sep 10 03:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @zoobab For you this is like hell is freezing over, right?Sep 10 03:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1171104912635285504Sep 10 03:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz Microsoft is still evil, despite the PR propaganda.Sep 10 03:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1171105774011113473Sep 10 03:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz Just the thing they did with OIN membership obligation over exfat is evil as well.Sep 10 03:29
schestowitzShowed they had left out all the IMPORTANT patentsSep 10 03:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TastyNutsHmm/status/1171198038116728832Sep 10 04:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TastyNutsHmm: @FrancisJeffrey7 @schestowitz @wikileaks Did the UN speak out of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi?Sep 10 04:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/1171228203823726592Sep 10 04:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @dakami @quinnnorton @mattblaze @johncarlosbaez @BillGates @JeffBezos I want a second opinion from @leoniehaimson,… https://t.co/4KAbpEd2aMSep 10 04:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jsalsman: @dakami @quinnnorton @mattblaze @johncarlosbaez @BillGates @JeffBezos I want a second opinion from @leoniehaimson,… https://t.co/4KAbpEd2aMSep 10 04:01
schestowitz"Sep 10 04:01
schestowitzI want a second opinion from Sep 10 04:01
schestowitz@leoniehaimsonSep 10 04:01
schestowitz, Sep 10 04:01
schestowitz@schestowitzSep 10 04:01
schestowitz, and any of the one in ten 2017 Amazon employees on food stamps in Pennsylvania and Ohio.Sep 10 04:01
schestowitz"Sep 10 04:01
schestowitz"Back to Linux," the person concluded, "could/would/should Linus drop the LF [Linux Foundation] and take his code and his trademarks elsewhere?  He wouldn't do it himself, but if someone at the top did the leg work, I expect he might consider it.  Don't quote ANY of that directly but feel free to get ideas from it.Sep 10 05:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/WestbrookMel/status/1171270987989434370Sep 10 05:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WestbrookMel: @jsalsman @dakami @quinnnorton @mattblaze @johncarlosbaez @BillGates @JeffBezos @leoniehaimson @schestowitz From Se… https://t.co/w991G7pCsCSep 10 05:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WestbrookMel: @jsalsman @dakami @quinnnorton @mattblaze @johncarlosbaez @BillGates @JeffBezos @leoniehaimson @schestowitz From Se… https://t.co/w991G7pCsCSep 10 05:25
schestowitz"From Seattle, Bezos is not really any hero here. Gates gets more credit but his work on public ed is nothing but losses."Sep 10 05:25
schestowitz[15:24] <danielinux> thanks for keeping me anonymousSep 10 05:42
schestowitz[15:25] <schestowitz> 0/Sep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:25] <schestowitz> I only mentioned Helsinki, but that doesn't say muchSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:26] <danielinux> I'm OK with that, please don't reveal everything publicly since we are still in a study phaseSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:27] <danielinux> the xxxx part is perhaps a little too much since my information was inaccurateSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:28] <danielinux> I will share all the findings about the fight against GPL in IoT market with you as soon as we have solid documents about itSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:29] <schestowitz> thanks a bundleSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:30] <danielinux> no problemSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:31] <schestowitz> you get better pool of knowledge in the main irc channelSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:33] <danielinux> I see that, but before publishing anything we want to coordinate internally on communication and which use cases to present. There are more than one group of people involved in this discussion across EuropeSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:35] <schestowitz> I see...Sep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:35] <schestowitz> anyone I hid jerom***l's nameSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:35] <schestowitz> and that whole partSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:35] <schestowitz> he reads techrightsSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:35] <schestowitz> jaro**lSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:35] <schestowitz> some of our associates are connected to him alsoSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:40] <danielinux> There is a (xxx) attack against copyleft again, we have to react by explaining to people why adopting permissive open-source licenses is harmful for small businesses, software artisans and the public sector.Sep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:44] <danielinux> The Linux Foundation comes out with new projects every few months, but chronologically the last GPL'ed projects seems to be Xen. The LF keeps promoting permissive licenses in their projects under the pressure of big corporations.Sep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:44] <schestowitz> yes, this is a known problemSep 10 05:43
schestowitz[15:59] <danielinux> I appreciate you understand my doubts about FSF recent involvement with Microsoft, and the reason why I have to 'tacitly imply' such allegations. First the 'code of kindness' out of the blue, then the copyleftConf co-sponsorship, then the talk at Microsoft. We have seen this happening with LF year after year, and FSF seems to be (allegedly) taking little steps in the same direction although it Sep 10 05:45
schestowitz[15:59] <danielinux> does not publish partnership programs with Microsoft yet.Sep 10 05:45
schestowitz[16:00] <schestowitz>  'code of kindness' imposed on FSFSep 10 05:45
schestowitz[16:00] <schestowitz> I wrote about itSep 10 05:45
schestowitz[16:01] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2019/06/13/a-line-in-the-sand/Sep 10 05:45
schestowitz[16:02] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2019/04/16/libreplanet-speech/Sep 10 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Guest Post: Notes on Free Speech, and a Line in the Sand | TechrightsSep 10 05:45
schestowitz[Monday, 9 September 2019] [16:03:16 BST] <schestowitz> bblSep 10 05:45
schestowitz[16:03] <danielinux> thanksSep 10 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Reader’s Claim That Rules Similar to the Code of Conduct (CoC) Were ‘Imposed’ on LibrePlanet and the FSF | TechrightsSep 10 05:45
schestowitz>>> With M$ spamming about "Linux" maybe there is a matter of trademarkSep 10 05:48
schestowitz>>> dilution or similar risks.  You've pointed out something similar forSep 10 05:48
schestowitz>>> Open Source, even though it is not a trademark.  IRRC Bruce Perens triedSep 10 05:48
schestowitz>>> but was denied, which can work to everyone's advantage when making bidsSep 10 05:48
schestowitz>>> for government contracts.  Back to Linux, could/would/should Linus dropSep 10 05:49
schestowitz>>> the LF and take his code and his trademarks elsewhere?  He wouldn't doSep 10 05:49
schestowitz>>> it himself, but if someone at the top did the leg work, I expect heSep 10 05:49
schestowitz>>> might consider it.  Don't quote ANY of that directly but feel free toSep 10 05:49
schestowitz>>> get ideas from it.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz>>Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz>> I decided it's OK to quote as a random person not associated with us orSep 10 05:49
schestowitz>> our position. I see no harm in doing so TBH. No harm at all.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz> I'd rather not.  It's poorly formed thoughts.  TR gains from quality.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz> Also, I'd like to be able to bounce ideas around without having toSep 10 05:49
schestowitz> self-censor so much.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitzI think what you said in this case was perfectly reasonable. I don't always quote, but this one is OK by most standards.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz> As for ideas, since Lundgren is getting readjusted has he dropped anySep 10 05:49
schestowitz> hints about continuing the series?  There are a lot of people pullingSep 10 05:49
schestowitz> for him and getting the full story out would probably increase the number.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitzHis mates are always in our IRC channel. I'll ask.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz> Also, any further luck on sanitizing the material about M$ productsSep 10 05:49
schestowitz> causing more hospital deaths?Sep 10 05:49
schestowitzMy source is afraid to go ahead with my draft (for now).Sep 10 05:49
schestowitzSame for one particular EPO story.Sep 10 05:49
schestowitz> Stadiums are not big and yet they are nonetheless too much of an areaSep 10 06:59
schestowitz> for 5G mobile service to cover easily.  5G in practice will probablySep 10 06:59
schestowitz> mean a mast every few meters.  That's too much cost overhead to coverSep 10 06:59
schestowitz> with subscriptions, how will they get the money to recover their initialSep 10 06:59
schestowitz> and ongoing costs?Sep 10 06:59
schestowitzAnd there's the health factor.Sep 10 06:59
schestowitzApologist: but there are other sources of radiation!Sep 10 06:59
schestowitzMe: yeah, we'll all get nuked anyway soon... with Trump and Putin..Sep 10 06:59
schestowitz              <li>Sep 10 07:03
schestowitz                <h5><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/09/08/manjaro-linux-just-made-a-massive-announcement-about-its-future/">Manjaro Linux Just Made A Massive Announcement About Its Future</a></h5>Sep 10 07:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/09/08/manjaro-linux-just-made-a-massive-announcement-about-its-future/">Manjaro )Sep 10 07:03
schestowitz                <blockquote>Sep 10 07:03
schestowitz                  <p>Since 2011, Arch Linux-based Manjaro has focused on being a simple-to-use, accessible Linux desktop distribution with a friendly community. Manjaro has become widely available with multiple desktop environments, usable on multiple chipsets, has enjoyed partnerships with both hardware and software companies, and quickly risen up as a respected and popular choice for desktop Linux users. But as of today, Manjaro Linux Sep 10 07:03
schestowitzis no longer just a Linux distribution -- it's officially transforming into a company with ambitious plans for its future.  </p></blockquote></li>Sep 10 07:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/globalspectator/status/1171306868347551745Sep 10 07:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@globalspectator: @schestowitz The class conciseness is the biggest nightmare of ruling classes. Brainwashing machines are working 24/7Sep 10 07:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1171322679695216640Sep 10 08:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: " According to official statistics, in 5.5 percent of Iranian marriages, the brides are under 15." https://t.co/l8geRCz8gRSep 10 08:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #pedophilia https://t.co/JJzRlzh94cSep 10 08:32
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-patent-debate-surrounding-prep-game.html?showComment=1568095312948#c3776394829724523899Sep 10 20:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The patent debate surrounding PrEP, the game-changer in HIV prevention - The IPKatSep 10 20:04
schestowitz"I don't believe the issue in the US is the cost of pharmaceuticals per se, rather, I believe it is an issue with the way that healthcare is run as a business solely aimed at making a profit. Anyone that has visited a US hospital for treatment of any kind can clearly see the unjustified costs - over 600 dollars for a sticking plaster, 40 to 60 dollars for a mother to hold her own baby after giving birth. The US healthcare system as a Sep 10 20:04
schestowitzwhole is seriously flawed and simply cutting the cost of drugs will not solve anything. Another issue, that doesn't help and that is led by big pharma is that the US is used by many manufacturers as a cash cow to subsidize the costs of medicines elsewhere in the world - including the developing world. Until all of these issues are looked at and solved together, simply cutting drug costs will just be a drop in the ocean."Sep 10 20:04
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/ag-szpunar-advises-cjeu-to-rule-that.html?showComment=1568136276363#c3077847996087586443Sep 10 20:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | AG Szpunar advises CJEU to rule that internet downloads of ebooks are covered by right of communication to the public, not distribution (so, no, there is no digital exhaustion under InfoSoc Directive) - The IPKatSep 10 20:08
schestowitz"Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzReaders of this blog are either lawyers or individuals who are interested in and informed about IP law, and so they can follow and evaluate the AG's reasoning. However none of this adds any real clarity to the law on copyright. On the contrary it just makes the inadvertent breaking of the law more likely.Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzThe EU has already expanded the aegis of many forms of IP way beyond what most other non-EU states have been willing to countenance, (database right, design right, GIs, publication right, link taxes and so on) and when it comes to the hair-splitting over what is communication to the public, what is distribution and what is reproduction, it is in a class of its own. Yes, theoretically other signatories to the WIPO Copyright Act are also Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzsupposed to recognise such things, but in pratice only the EU has done anything concrete to reflect these nuances within statute law.Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzSince almost everyone in the world, and all of those who have access to the internet, need to have a basic understanding of copyright in the digital space, these arcane and highly academic analyses of the law are exceptionally unhelpful. Since ignorance of the law will become widespread, the extent to which it is currrently flouted or ignored will only increase. How is the average person posting a homemade video on Youtube supposed to Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzwork out if they are making it available to the public or distributing it? Some law, say like company law or maritime law, can get away with being complicated and the preserve of lawyers, but copyright law must be at all times accessible to the public, because the public employ it everyday, and can't be expected to know the latest cleverly-argued piece of jurisprudence from the CLEU to know whether or not they are infringing someone else'Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzs rights. Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzAfter nearly 20 years and a constant stream of referrals to the CJEU, we should not still be having to second-guess what the InfoSoc Directive does and doesn't mean.Sep 10 20:08
schestowitz"Sep 10 20:08
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/ag-szpunar-advises-cjeu-to-rule-that.html?showComment=1568136276363#c3077847996087586443http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-patent-debate-surrounding-prep-game.html?showComment=1568095312948#c3776394829724523899Sep 10 20:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | AG Szpunar advises CJEU to rule that internet downloads of ebooks are covered by right of communication to the public, not distribution (so, no, there is no digital exhaustion under InfoSoc Directive) - The IPKatSep 10 20:15
schestowitz"I don't believe the issue in the US is the cost of pharmaceuticals per se, rather, I believe it is an issue with the way that healthcare is run as a business solely aimed at making a profit. Anyone that has visited a US hospital for treatment of any kind can clearly see the unjustified costs - over 600 dollars for a sticking plaster, 40 to 60 dollars for a mother to hold her own baby after giving birth. The US healthcare system as a Sep 10 20:15
schestowitzwhole is seriously flawed and simply cutting the cost of drugs will not solve anything. Another issue, that doesn't help and that is led by big pharma is that the US is used by many manufacturers as a cash cow to subsidize the costs of medicines elsewhere in the world - including the developing world. Until all of these issues are looked at and solved together, simply cutting drug costs will just be a drop in the ocean."Sep 10 20:15
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-patent-debate-surrounding-prep-game.html?showComment=1568095312948#c3776394829724523899https://twitter.com/SmartPaperVB/status/1171509029677330438Sep 10 21:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The patent debate surrounding PrEP, the game-changer in HIV prevention - The IPKatSep 10 21:15
schestowitz"Sep 10 21:15
schestowitzSources: @MyData conference Sept. 25-27, Helsinki. *https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/gx/en/insights/industry4-0.html … **https://www.fingo.fi/sites/default/tiedostot/julkaisut/Finland-and-the-2030-Agenda-2030_follow-up-report-2019-web_0.pdfSep 10 21:15
schestowitz***Sep 10 21:15
schestowitz"Sep 10 21:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.strategyand.pwc.com | Industry 4.0 | PwC's Strategy&Sep 10 21:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/asytactrain/status/1171400979167600641Sep 10 22:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@asytactrain: Have #Koch brothers & new @GOP empowered a family of gypsies, a budhal budhal gang from the Philippines, or members… https://t.co/ckVX4OcRf3Sep 10 22:29
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@asytactrain: Have #Koch brothers & new @GOP empowered a family of gypsies, a budhal budhal gang from the Philippines, or members… https://t.co/ckVX4OcRf3Sep 10 22:29
schestowitz"Sep 10 22:29
schestowitzHave #Koch brothers & new Sep 10 22:29
schestowitz@GOPSep 10 22:29
schestowitz empowered a family of gypsies, a budhal budhal gang from the Philippines, or members of Primeiro Comando da Capital from Brazil? Can Sep 10 22:29
schestowitz@GOPSep 10 22:29
schestowitz manage trumps?? I think not. #donthecon & family have successfully killed Sep 10 22:29
schestowitz@GOPSep 10 22:30
schestowitz.Sep 10 22:30
schestowitz"Sep 10 22:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/1171412245068300288Sep 10 22:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pinguinpatje: @schestowitz Just another Chinese hoax I guess...Sep 10 22:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1171456530815676416Sep 10 22:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: #westpapua https://t.co/xStkdHDdhuSep 10 22:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #alphabet #agency #google #YouTube Lets #Indonesia Government Block Satirical Video That Criticizes The Indonesian… https://t.co/wg1ss4aKroSep 10 22:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/1171476970518892550Sep 10 22:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MrIvanJohnson: A reminder of Peace Prize Prez™ Obama family values... Michelle embracing a torturer and war criminal https://t.co/o3t9E9nuwgSep 10 22:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: @wikileaks @evoespueblo The Moreno family https://t.co/cCCu4cdnMuSep 10 22:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1171477570560249858Sep 10 22:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: Software-Defined Networking is hot stuff. https://t.co/XxTWQIM88vSep 10 22:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "Basis for Its" #proprietarysoftware https://t.co/Qoqcvq3G6w #opencore #openwashingSep 10 22:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Kelly_Clowers/status/1171505159752441856Sep 10 22:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Kelly_Clowers: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation How is that openwashing?Sep 10 22:33
schestowitzTry making a fork of their chip and they will sue you (also, you don't have sufficient info/code)Sep 10 22:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MSServices_info/status/1171513790757662721Sep 10 22:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MSServices_info: #Respect #JohnBercow #SpeakerBercow #England #politics #HouseOfCommons https://t.co/ySEQAeiiSSSep 10 22:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #brexit https://t.co/4P5lBQLDSjSep 10 22:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jhamby/status/1171525627268104197Sep 10 22:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz I saw several Linux magazines at the checkout stand at Micro Center, and I almost bought one, but they… https://t.co/xun3W3dwuISep 10 22:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jhamby: @schestowitz I saw several Linux magazines at the checkout stand at Micro Center, and I almost bought one, but they… https://t.co/xun3W3dwuISep 10 22:35
schestowitzI saw several Linux magazines at the checkout stand at Micro Center, and I almost bought one, but they were all $16 to $22, which was out of my budget, considering I didn't expect to learn anything from the articles I couldn't Google. They must not be able to charge much for ads.""Sep 10 22:35
schestowitzSeems like a very, very steep price. Should be $5 or less.Sep 10 22:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/guy_herbert/status/1171533460567027712Sep 10 22:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@guy_herbert: @schestowitz @glynmoody "You" may be a bit strong here. Some people can, maybe, but they are few. I can't do that.… https://t.co/Kpg9EJykmeSep 10 22:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@guy_herbert: @schestowitz @glynmoody "You" may be a bit strong here. Some people can, maybe, but they are few. I can't do that.… https://t.co/Kpg9EJykmeSep 10 22:37
schestowitz""You" may be a bit strong here. Some people can, maybe, but they are few. I can't do that. I wonder what % of the fairly select audience for the tweet it applies to practically rather than theoretically. How trust can be soundly distributed is an interesting question."Sep 10 22:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1171534975314870272Sep 10 22:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: @guy_herbert @schestowitz I think "you" means "one", as in it is possible for someone to do it. that's all that is… https://t.co/3emsLyMHUESep 10 22:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: @guy_herbert @schestowitz I think "you" means "one", as in it is possible for someone to do it. that's all that is… https://t.co/3emsLyMHUESep 10 22:37
schestowitz"I think "you" means "one", as in it is possible for someone to do it.  that's all that is needed.  I certainly don't need to look at the code, which I wouldn't understand anyway..."Sep 10 22:37
schestowitzI'm more worried about the mono angle thereSep 10 22:37

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