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schestowitz[01:05] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hi. I'm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Because of the shitty xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx UI, I seem to have truncated my passwordJun 23 04:49
schestowitz[01:06] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Can you change it to "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" so I can change it properly?Jun 23 04:49
schestowitz[05:25] <schestowitz> hiJun 23 04:49
schestowitz[05:26] <schestowitz> did you register a username and want it re-registered?Jun 23 04:49
schestowitz[05:50] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> yesJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[05:51] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> I want to change the passwordJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[05:51] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> nickserv has a command to change another's passwordJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[07:13] <schestowitz> I will checkJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[07:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> thxJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[08:18] <schestowitz> btw, deblanc just lost her jobJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[08:19] <schestowitz> i am speaking to an associate who knows ergoirc syntax a bit better than me, I don't want to risk breaking the thingJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[12:27] <schestowitz> try /quote nickserv help passwdJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[12:27] <schestowitz> if you have the privilegesJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[12:28] <schestowitz> if not, I can try to do this for youJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[14:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> I tried PASSWD <username> <new> yesterday, and it didn't workJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[14:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Since I don't know my password, PASSWD <current> <new> <new> doesn't work eitherJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[14:26] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> It's not simply truncated (I didn't understand that xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx was intentionally hiding what I was typing and may have entered it twice or something)Jun 23 04:50
schestowitz[14:28] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> MSG(nickserv): passwd xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx …Jun 23 04:50
schestowitz[14:28] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Insufficient privilegesJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[14:29] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> just try   /msg NickServ passwd xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[16:00] <schestowitz> done!Jun 23 04:50
schestowitz[17:08] <xxxxx> thanks, it workedJun 23 04:50
schestowitz[17:09] <schestowitz> ":-)Jun 23 04:50
schestowitz[03:57] <xxxx> In 2018, Sarah Mei (Salesforce) attacked the term "domain-driven design" for being abbreviated "DDD" which is also a breast size (not mentioned in Wiktionary and not the first definition in Urban Dictionary)Jun 23 04:50
schestowitz[04:49] <schestowitz> now I feel saferJun 23 04:50
schestowitz<xxxx> because it's so stupid?Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz>>> Magdalen's comeback was brilliant.  Molly is the Zombie.Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz>>>Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz>>> https://twitter.com/mmillions/status/1407001328379965449Jun 23 05:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mmillions: Okay I am now unemployed for real. What are your favorite free or cheap NYC activities?Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz>>Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz>> I cannot see such a comment, but with Twitter you never can tell forJun 23 05:01
schestowitz>> sure what's hidden from you...Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Odd, I just clicked the link again and it works, she did not make itJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> private.  I do not have a Twitter account so I am accessing it anonymously.Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Anyway, it appears to be true as other people already started to gossipJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> I do not want to speculate about a reason.  Maybe they just found theJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> women in other countries are cheaper.  Sam Tuke from PHPList hasJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> apparently hired some of the girls in Albania.  Four women there andJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> office rent are cheaper than one woman in NYC or Boston:Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> https://www.phplist.org/phplist-hack-sprint-in-albania/Jun 23 05:01
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.phplist.org | phpList Hack Sprint in Albania | phpList.orgJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> "our contributors got to translate phpList to Albanian (all in one nightJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> :D)"Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Ignoring all the scandal stuff, some of these deals do make sense fromJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> an economic perspective if the money pays for development instead ofJun 23 05:01
schestowitz> long-haul flights.Jun 23 05:01
schestowitzI know Sam personally. He is or was here.Jun 23 05:01
schestowitz> Looks like they removed her very suddenly:Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> https://foundation.gnome.org/team/Jun 23 05:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-foundation.gnome.org | Our Team – The GNOME FoundationJun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> If Molly had to go, why does Neil keep his job?  Neil actually made moreJun 23 05:06
schestowitz> commits than Molly in the open letter repository in Github:Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/graphs/contributorsJun 23 05:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | Contributors to rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io · GitHubJun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Old page from May 2021:Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> https://web.archive.org/web/20210519182438/https://foundation.gnome.org/team/Jun 23 05:06
schestowitz> Jun 23 05:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Our Team – The GNOME FoundationJun 23 05:06
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schestowitzverbose: maybe we should add these to scrollback?Jun 23 05:43
schestowitzthoughts?Jun 23 05:43
schestowitzI was thinking how to use sort to merge with timestamp and all..Jun 23 05:44
verboseI don't know, I haven't looked at this channel much.Jun 23 05:45
verboseIs there an easy way to download the digests?Jun 23 05:46
verboseWithout writing own scripts to process the lists.Jun 23 05:47
verboseI need to learn to write vimscripts (again?), but it's for a different reason that wouldn't save that much time anyway.Jun 23 05:53
schestowitzwhat do you mean by "digests"?Jun 23 06:16
schestowitzwe have daily bulletinsJun 23 06:16
schestowitzYesterday's bulletin: http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-22.txtJun 23 06:16
verboseI really mean the stuff listed in the lists linked at http://techrights.org/ipfs/ , but I guess it's easier to only pin, but download using wgetJun 23 07:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJun 23 07:12
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schestowitzhttps://securitybrief.com.au/story/veracode-soss-report-significant-open-source-security-gap-for-vendors-and-usersJun 23 07:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-securitybrief.com.au | Veracode SoSS report: Significant open-source security gap for vendors and usersJun 23 07:58
schestowitzspamJun 23 07:58
schestowitzVeracode spamJun 23 07:58
schestowitzMinceR: that suggestion from you (yesterday) workedJun 23 08:48
schestowitzwe managed to gradually bring the key people in here... much of what's left behind is less critical to us.Jun 23 08:48
schestowitzAlso, the people online in LC:#tr don't say a thingJun 23 08:48
schestowitzzoobab is of value thoughJun 23 08:48
schestowitzregarding s/n ratio, a lot of the OT stuff has been relayed to -social, which I think is very goodJun 23 08:49
schestowitzI'll speak to zoobab about coming hereJun 23 08:49
acer-box____https://nitter.actionsack.com/AbuAbdulAziz_A1/status/1407597578540273665#mJun 23 09:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.actionsack.com | أحمد سعيد ذياب (@AbuAbdulAziz_A1): "يمكن الاطلاع على قائمة بيانات شاملة وجدول زمني لجميع المخالفات المتعلقة بمؤسسة بيل غيتس http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique" | nitterJun 23 09:15
schestowitzshown in tmux is some evidence related to "video" usage, roughly 31k accessed video files in the past 3 days, though we did not manage to publish many videos at all. today I had major major issues with pulseaudio, had to false restart it -- something I never did in the pastJun 23 09:26
Techrights-secDo any of the static site generators also have the option for Gemini, parallelJun 23 09:26
Techrights-secto WWW?         Jun 23 09:26
schestowitzkaniini mentioned last night that going static at some stage, with gemini too, would be great for moving towards alpine, not worrying about DBs and php and other such technical debt -- a term used by kaniini as wellJun 23 09:27
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-220621.html#tJun%2022%2012:19:21Jun 23 09:28
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, June 22, 2021Jun 23 09:28
Techrights-secStatic would have lots of advantages.  The back end could run a RPi and   Jun 23 09:41
Techrights-secthe front end could too.  It would be a /lot/ easier to distribute andJun 23 09:41
Techrights-secload-balanceJun 23 09:41
schestowitzI think that in the coming years we'll see more case studies and tooling to that effect. already, quite a few free sw blogs move off wordpress/drupal and onto things that are simpler to manage, esp. for small sites. so we might need some patience.Jun 23 09:42
Techrights-secAny commenting would have to take place on IRC instead, but comments areJun 23 09:46
Techrights-secseveral problems if that capability is on the WWW.  I'd say just IRC is enough.Jun 23 09:46
Techrights-secIf it's not metioned prominently on the page(s) linking to the TR IRC network,Jun 23 09:46
Techrights-secthe fact that the IP addresses are not posted in the channel is important.Jun 23 09:46
schestowitzwe configured IRCD accordingly. So did freenode when they rebooted (wiped) the whole system in their stupid overhaul that now occasionally locks me out. Comments inside articles can hurt the articles, esp. on controversial subjects. I wanted to say something else of importance, but forgot....Jun 23 09:47
Techrights-secOk, both networks fixing the IP address leak is a good thing.  Jun 23 09:53
Techrights-secIn geneneral I would be in strong favor of comments on the web pages, but Jun 23 09:53
Techrights-secthe established practice /everywhere/ is not to allow them, they are Jun 23 09:53
Techrights-seca /lot/ of effort for something that is redundant with IRC, and lastlyJun 23 09:53
Techrights-sec(like you mention) it's easy for trolls to post comments and then a-holesJun 23 09:53
Techrights-secto complain about the comments elsewhere.  That last point is stupid, butJun 23 09:53
Techrights-secsociety has become even more stupid, on average, than it used to be.  Jun 23 09:53
schestowitzWe did received a lot of comments in the distant past. They became a liability at times and now only longtime accounts (registered ages ago) can comment.Jun 23 09:54
schestowitz*receiveJun 23 09:54
schestowitzfrom page title and <h1> of html IRC logs I have just removed "FreeNode" and say Techrights IRC Network. This is where it is logged from now. I hope this does not cause or introduce bugs in tomorrow's cron run. Jun 23 09:58
Techrights-sec Jun 23 10:56
Techrights-secThus those tricks complaining about third-party comments work.  Jun 23 10:56
MinceRschestowitz: goodJun 23 14:27
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Techrights-secfrom a signature seen on a mailing list message:Jun 23 17:33
Techrights-sec        "PS: Your blog doesn't need a comments section. People should quote, link, and comment on their own blogs instead of expJun 23 17:33
Techrights-sececting you to provide them a soapbox."Jun 23 17:33
schestowitzI said that about how blogging used to be before social control mediaJun 23 17:33
schestowitzin tmux you can see an ongoing (sporadic) ddos pattern and response to it, which might be remotely related to some irc 'revenge, based on the timingJun 23 17:47
Techrights-seccan the mitigations be automated without creating a DoS on their own?Jun 23 18:06
Techrights-secThe rate at which the requests are comming in should not be a problem,Jun 23 18:06
Techrights-secor is it?Jun 23 18:06
Techrights-secThey are just trickling in at the moment.Jun 23 18:06
schestowitzit is OK for nowJun 23 18:07
schestowitzI've added a comment for you in tmux, I need to go prepare some food. the comment is in .htaccessJun 23 18:09
Techrights-secackJun 23 18:36
Techrights-sec\Jun 23 18:36
schestowitzI think the key is preventing downtime (or "success"). The IRC logs will show why I'm totally distracted today, here and there... this weekend I'm off work, so will catch upJun 23 18:37
Techrights-secOk.  This weekend is a major holiday anyway.Jun 23 18:48
schestowitzI didn't even know...Jun 23 18:48
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/at2rty/status/1407802273548455938Jun 23 23:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@at2rty: @schestowitz https://t.co/EA2oh0mApuJun 23 23:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Shoshana Zuboff on surveillance capitalism | VPRO Documentary - YouTubeJun 23 23:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1407742427641876488Jun 23 23:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: "the executive branch guidance which Republican U.S. presidents have used for nearly four decades to cut off access… https://t.co/GelU7CC71IJun 23 23:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: "the executive branch guidance which Republican U.S. presidents have used for nearly four decades to cut off access… https://t.co/GelU7CC71IJun 23 23:04
schestowitz"Jun 23 23:04
schestowitz"the executive branch guidance which RepublicanJun 23 23:04
schestowitz U.S. presidents have used for nearly four decades to cut off access to reproductive healthcare around the world."Jun 23 23:04
schestowitz"Jun 23 23:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1407691017713770497Jun 23 23:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Flavia0847: How come this is 'an abuse of human rights' in Botwswana but 'standard operating security procedure' in Israel? https://t.co/qoqlH1NW47Jun 23 23:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ Supreme Court Ruled Against Enslaved Children Even as US Celebrated #Juneteenth https://t.co/xlDf9Vg44eJun 23 23:05
schestowitz"How come this is 'an abuse of human rights' in Botwswana but 'standard operating security procedure' in Israel?"Jun 23 23:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/templemore85/status/1407653658376945668Jun 23 23:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@templemore85: @schestowitz Sen, Ron Johnson is gunning for them.Jun 23 23:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jrbrtson/status/1407653633873825796Jun 23 23:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrbrtson: @schestowitz I've always thought admirably of Apple, but having watched their massive success over the years combin… https://t.co/JNOSg5FijbJun 23 23:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jrbrtson: @schestowitz I've always thought admirably of Apple, but having watched their massive success over the years combin… https://t.co/JNOSg5FijbJun 23 23:05
schestowitz"I've always thought admirably of Apple, but having watched their massive success over the years combined with questionable business practices involving manufacturing conditions in China, it's about time they had their wings clipped."Jun 23 23:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jrbrtson/status/1407653633873825796Jun 23 23:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1407622973536755713Jun 23 23:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: this is looking bad https://t.co/djcpmtBCU1Jun 23 23:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #Express #Afghanistan ☞ Afghan carnage as #Taliban storm two cities after #Biden withdrew troops- ‘Panic e… https://t.co/AI3zQB3fPvJun 23 23:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1407626660200030211Jun 23 23:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: not good https://t.co/8oILnQTYQaJun 23 23:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #dawn #Afghanistan #asia ☞ #Taliban capture Afghanistan's main Tajikistan border crossing https://t.co/Qccyc9JnCeJun 23 23:06
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