IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, June 22, 2021

MinceR

XRevan86

cybrNaut: irc.techrights.org

MinceR

this side is the techrights network

Ariadne

no, schestowitz wanted to selfhost irc last year

Ariadne

i just didnt get around to it until now

XRevan86

cybrNaut: But if ye have other channels, ye should check where they are now too.

XRevan86

it's illegal to notify users about the current whereabouts of channels on freenode

XRevan86

as on

Jun 22 00:01

XRevan86

as a free speech haven should

Jun 22 00:01

XRevan86

No one leaves the free speech haven.

Jun 22 00:02

Ariadne

freedom!

Jun 22 00:02

MinceR

freedoom!

schestowitz

freeware

schestowitz

XRevan86: did you find code for that app?

schestowitz

after all, freenode is FOSS

Ariadne

the irc.com app?

schestowitz

yeah

https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401

Ariadne

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can… https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> IRC.com

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> freenode.net | freenode

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can… https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI

Ariadne

you can read about it here

XRevan86

schestowitz: comedy gold :)

Ariadne

its a snoozefest

schestowitz

i saw that

XRevan86

Ariadne: I gave that link before.

techrights-bot/fn

#freenode is just a name now, little else. https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401

Jun 22 00:06

MinceR

won't even be a name for long if it goes that way

Jun 22 00:07

XRevan86

cybrNaut: Also spread the word, people should know that IRC is not actually deserted.

Jun 22 00:07

schestowitz

scortched earth

Jun 22 00:08

schestowitz

freenode on a 30-day diet plan

kingoffrance

^ this was touched on, that irc was supposedly dying, maybe have to break a few shells to make an irclette (not in those words, but to that effect)

techrights-bot/fn

Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 688 https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/06/21/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-688/ #ubuntu #gnu #linux

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fridge.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 688

schestowitz

Shells has not been buying puff pieces for a while

schestowitz

it started just over a year ago

schestowitz

lots of paid-for fluff

schestowitz

in sites that claim to be "news"

XRevan86

It might seem that way to someone who just logged into freenode to check the channels and found no activity whatsoever.

schestowitz

maybe they want to do to "LINUX" what Kape did to "IRC"

kingoffrance

as in, self-fulfilling prophecy? sure

XRevan86

not everyone's running bridges

techrights-bot/fn

#Linux Plumbers Conference: Toolchains and #Kernel Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference https://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/blog/2021/index.php/2021/06/21/toolchains-and-kernel-microconference-accepted-into-2021-linux-plumbers-conference/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplumbersconf.org | Toolchains and Kernel Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference – Linux Plumbers Conference 2021

schestowitz

poor people who joined Lee

schestowitz

sooner or later, maybe 1-2 paychecks later

schestowitz

unemployed

schestowitz

like deBlanc

schestowitz

tweeted today she's no longer employed

schestowitz

I guess doing hate letters and staff doesn't work out too well at the end

MinceR

who knows? garrett still seems to be doing that

schestowitz

Maybe "Teddy" will bail out Drew v

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Sagi#Kape_Technologies_plc

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Teddy Sagi - Wikipedia

schestowitz

MinceR: doing what? Playing with the doorbell?

schestowitz

we get things done

schestowitz

while he's shitposting in "Shitter"

schestowitz

and maybe even pretending to work somewhere

MinceR

posting bullshit to help the interests of monopolists

schestowitz

Red Hat staff told me they had been receiving code directly from NSA

schestowitz

they're downstreamers sometimes

schestowitz

MinceR: that's where the money is

schestowitz

attacking enemies of the Black Budget companies

MinceR

maybe that's where the money is for molly "I don't know how to code, but I do have blue hair." deblanc as well

Jun 22 00:17

schestowitz

that changed since then

schestowitz

not the description

schestowitz

the colour

https://github.com/mollydb

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) · GitHub

schestowitz

"My hair is now orange and pink. "

MinceR

schestowitz

I am not joking, you can click to check

XRevan86

sounds like jokes

schestowitz

that says a lot about the coding experience

schestowitz

XRevan86: she is

*XRevan86 has no idea who that is.

schestowitz

and someone gnome foundation thought picking Andrew Lee and Bully de blanc is a smart idea

https://foundation.gnome.org/2013/09/23/interview-with-andrew-lee-of-private-internet-access/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foundation.gnome.org | Interview with Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access – The GNOME Foundation

schestowitz

". Andrew Lee is a long-time privacy advocate, and has co-founded several other privacy related companies in the past including Mt Gox Live which was later acquired by Mt Gox the leading Bitcoin exchange. "

schestowitz

That was before Mt Gox collapseed

schestowitz

and people asked, wtf is our money !!

*XRevan86 checked out her singing: it's not good, but not terrible either. Maybe there's potential, I don't know.

schestowitz

"We do not have any specific numbers regarding the percentage of our customers who use GNU/Linux. However, with that said, we’re confident that most of our customers are using GNU/Linux in some form, whether on their desktop or mobile device.'

schestowitz

at least he says GNU

schestowitz

anyway...

schestowitz

the world is f'ed up

schestowitz

let's make the most of it, lads... :-)

schestowitz

we can always fall back on football, beers, and celebs

schestowitz

or "royalty"

schestowitz

(or people with claims to royalty)

XRevan86

oh wow, I somehow don't care about all of those things.

schestowitz

the gnome interview links to a bad (invalid) page: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/06/prism/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/06/prism/ )

XRevan86

So de Blanc worked at the GNOME Foundaction

MinceR

"worked"

schestowitz

'worked'

schestowitz

you overstate it

MinceR

schestowitz

MinceR beat me to it

schestowitz

butler for mcgovern

XRevan86

was getting a paycheque from GNOME Foundation

schestowitz

clicking things to add signatures

schestowitz

add that to your CV

schestowitz

learned to click things in a Microsoft GUI

XRevan86

So why is that noteworthy?

schestowitz

maybe someone in GIAFAM reckons they need to clean house

schestowitz

as gnome foundation lacked credibility now

XRevan86

For how long has she been getting a paycheque from the GNOME Foundation?

schestowitz

maybe they'll rotate again and Neil will join miguel and Stormy at Microsoft

http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#Introduction

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights

schestowitz

XRevan86: maybe a year?

schestowitz

No bad deed goes unrewarded

schestowitz

and no good deed goes unpunished

*DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bkr8p2czryj76.irc) has joined #techrights

https://foundation.gnome.org/2013/09/23/interview-with-andrew-lee-of-private-internet-access/

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foundation.gnome.org | Interview with Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access – The GNOME Foundation

XRevan86

speaking of that

XRevan86

> we’re confident that most of our customers are using GNU/Linux in some form, whether on their desktop or mobile device

DaemonFC

Well, I just had a car accident.

XRevan86

I only now noticed how beautiful this sentence is.

DaemonFC

And I was cited with failure to yield, by a cop that wasn't even there, without any other witnesses.

XRevan86

most of PIA's customers used N9/N900 in 2013? :)

schestowitz

car accident -> scoail

schestowitz

we were talking about tech

MinceR

maybe laptops are mobile too :>

schestowitz

XRevan86: no, android maybe

schestowitz

but not GNU

XRevan86

schestowitz: Exactly.

MinceR

or they had a GNU chroot on top of android

MinceR

i did

schestowitz

Gulag is still trying to replace the G

schestowitz

gnu and gp

schestowitz

then they become oooooh! lagggggg...

XRevan86

Pretty sure rasengan just didn't know the difference.

schestowitz

but their lousy little kernel, after all this time, was demoted to unsaid "devices"

schestowitz

Freenode is FOSS

schestowitz

Apple is Freenode

schestowitz

Freenode is Kape

schestowitz

Kape is PIA

schestowitz

Pia is Waugh

schestowitz

Waugh is GNOME Foundation

schestowitz

Jeff and Pia divorced

schestowitz

(the Waughs)

schestowitz

true story btw

activelow

for technical reasons already i considered dropping entire widget toolkits including gtk and qt, not sure what remained with motif or gnustep

schestowitz

he did so much damage to gnome

XRevan86

activelow: Tk? %)

schestowitz

later opened up in his blog about having chronic depression

activelow

XRevan86: why not?

schestowitz

XRevan86: or be a lagrange and sue SDL2 for software, not games :-)

schestowitz

*use

activelow

only problem i had then was to explain this to EU labor market and to my mother what i was doing with my time

schestowitz

some truly weird toolkit that is...

XRevan86

schestowitz: It's not really a widget toolkit though.

schestowitz

none of them are

kingoffrance

linked other day, from https://hackers.town/@mjd/106437663222347557 -> https://clarity.kleydints.com/a-post-mortem-in-5-acts-of-how-microsoft-privatized-open-source-killing-javascript-in-the-process-62ee5fc77d9e

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Happy Fun Ball :amiga:: "I'm concerned about a few things with modern deve…" - hackers.town

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-clarity.kleydints.com | A Post-Mortem in 5 Acts, of How Microsoft Privatized Open Source, killing JavaScript in the Process | by Alex Kleydints | Clarity

schestowitz

they extended beyond widget

schestowitz

qt is trying to be everything

kingoffrance

quote "Although Open Source grew inside capitalism, it’s values weirdly weren’t part of that capitalistic world-view. That’s why, from day one, it was bound for destruction at some point or another."

schestowitz

when I did gtk they had gdk too

XRevan86

schestowitz: SDL is the opposite

MinceR

Qt was trying to be a cross-platform portability toolkit

XRevan86

There are some rudimentary widgets, but SDL is simply not about that.

MinceR

then it also became half a window manager

MinceR

then it also became a web browser

MinceR

then it also became another web browser

schestowitz

[17:43] <schestowitz> You know Qt has given up on Free software when... ⚓ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl e-silicon ䷉ #qt

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl )

activelow

anyone willing to provide funding for free software distro? latest greatest features are no-GTK, no-QT, no-CUPS

schestowitz

https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl e-silicon

https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-apple-silicon

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt on Apple Silicon

schestowitz

CUPS is dead anyway

schestowitz

it was 'forked'

schestowitz

because of neglect by Apple

XRevan86

schestowitz: Um, it's not dead.

XRevan86

https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups it's still CUPS

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - OpenPrinting/cups: OpenPrinting CUPS Sources

activelow

python was attacked already too: waf and rust, consider this potentially gone soon too

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PAPPL-1.0-RC1-Released

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PAPPL 1.0 RC1 Released With A Goal To Replace CUPS Printer Drivers - Phoronix

activelow

i removed CUPS for technical reasons, which was the service daemon insisted on root-privileges, while crappy old lprng did not

schestowitz

They would be wiser not to use GitHub

kingoffrance

this too, seems similar to "big foss" i.e. lets lament "open source" dying; i dont think you have to a take a strict "free sw" v "open source" just if you do take that view, then "big foss" "open source is dying" are all distraction/noise

kingoffrance

(the quote about "open source")

XRevan86

schestowitz: As ye may notice, the person behind CUPS now is still Michael Sweet.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PAPPL-1.0-Released

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CUPS' Founder Releases PAPPL 1.0 As Modern Printer Application Framework - Phoronix

XRevan86

And PAPPL depends on CUPS

schestowitz

Apple pappel

schestowitz

they killed CUPS

kingoffrance

maybe other way to say that: without being "grounded" in something that isnt ever-shifting, people can easily be "2 steps forward, 1 step back" routed into long term destruction

schestowitz

neglects

schestowitz

suits them

XRevan86

schestowitz: CUPS is dead… on macOS.

activelow

plan B: uboot and begin writing a new kernel

XRevan86

it's doing fine on GNU/Linux

activelow

uboot is the last line of defense

schestowitz

it won't be dead when macOS is dead

Jun 22 00:37

techrights-bot/fn

Open Hardware/Modding: Wilson the IoT Hat (Arduino), Purism, and COVID Patient Health Assessment Device • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152542

Jun 22 00:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Wilson the IoT Hat (Arduino), Purism, and COVID Patient Health Assessment Device | Tux Machines

Jun 22 00:37

XRevan86

schestowitz: And? CUPS is doing fine.

XRevan86

decoupled from Apple and macOS

schestowitz

good

XRevan86

yes

schestowitz

we've been tested a lot, constantly

schestowitz

SCO

schestowitz

Novelll

MinceR

are the things crApple ripped out still gone?

schestowitz

GitHub

schestowitz

systemd

schestowitz

we need to respond to these things

schestowitz

now 'free'n0d3

XRevan86

MinceR: There was a patchset that is mainline CUPS now.

MinceR

have they de-crApple-ified the web UI?

Jun 22 00:41

kingoffrance

"Microsoft was able to piggy-back on the disorganized and leaderless open-source community and did this without any noticeable resistance."

Jun 22 00:41

XRevan86

MinceR: no idea

Jun 22 00:41

kingoffrance

i think that is dangerous -- no, there were (self appointed perhaps) leaders and positions of power were infiltrated (or that was always the goal, if you want to go there)

schestowitz

kingoffrance: "openJS" = Microsoft

schestowitz

led by a mole from Edelman, Microsoft

kingoffrance

yes

schestowitz

the PR liars that did "OpenATMicrosoft"

schestowitz

she infiltrated the LF

kingoffrance

or they made self-appointed "leaders" in order to steer things

schestowitz

and not bosses Torvalds

kingoffrance

yep

schestowitz

Edelman inside LF

schestowitz

also their last CMO

schestowitz

Edelman

new: https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/edelman-pr-and-the-manufacturing-of-trust/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edelman PR and the Manufacturing of “Trust” - unlimitedhangout.com

older: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/15/the-irony-of-calling-america-a-banana-republic/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Irony of Calling America a "Banana Republic" - CounterPunch.org

schestowitz

Microsoft = cult

schestowitz

LF = marketing

schestowitz

LFsoft = marketing cult

schestowitz

Torvalds needs to out asap and take the trademark with him

schestowitz

before Linux becomes just another new brand for covax or whatever

kingoffrance

maybe it is splitting hairs, but its double-edged sword to have "leaders". theres always leaders, its just overt or covert. theres always "disorganized" too, its a way "leaders" hide by saying well you know i guess people choose this thing, it wasnt "steered" by any "leaders"

schestowitz

Bill was led by his micro-soft

schestowitz

and by the charm of a sex trafficker

activelow

it is the entire legal framework of EU

schestowitz

whom he someone could not resist

kingoffrance

propaganda perhaps is, the art of leaders steering "disorganized" people and convincing them they wanted an outcome and werent led into it

schestowitz

even went to visit him in prison, trying to figure out how to rescue him

activelow

EU officials are still aggressively agitating for this "privatization", in parallel to issueing ridiculous fake anti-trust rulings against the entities they had supported before by privatizing

kingoffrance

the propagandist "leaders" must hide and convince people it was all spontaneous uprising of the disorganized

activelow

there isn't at least minimum wage and rudimentary social security applied with any legal construction surrounding this "privatized" madhouse

Jun 22 00:46

activelow

including big telco

Jun 22 00:46

kingoffrance

so, perhaps "open source" was disorganized and leaderless, perhaps on purpose. its not that i disagree this left a vacuum, but "microsoft" if they are responsible, people should name names if they think such

Jun 22 00:47

kingoffrance

*left a vacuum if it was the case

kingoffrance

because ms fanboys are just gonna spit that "yall hate ms so bad, haters"

kingoffrance

*spin

MinceR

they're going to do that anyway

MinceR

that has been on repeat for decades

MinceR

people don't want microshit to own them only because they're "haters"

https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/software-container-supply-chain-sees-spike-in-attacks/d/d-id/1341353

kingoffrance

at some point you can show people a memo with deliberate strategy and they will still lalalalala i cant hear you, i just think its a trap to say open source was non-capitalist, and now that means by default if you dont want ms owning you you must be a dirty no good commie

Jun 22 00:50

kingoffrance

minor issue, but it is doing ms's marketing for them

Jun 22 00:51

kingoffrance

im ambivalent, correctly says for-profit companies dont just offer "free stuff" without strings attached

Jun 22 00:52

kingoffrance

its not so simple, its just i thought open source was the "business friendly" thing

Jun 22 00:55

kingoffrance

so kind of seems 180 (ignoring what it is true or not, my perceptions may be off)

Jun 22 00:56

activelow

i roughly estimated the balance sheet discrepancies already, including destroyed capital and damages alltogether, who knows

Jun 22 00:59

activelow

and i've got enough evidence too

Jun 22 00:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 22 01:02

kingoffrance

basically "Although Open Source grew inside capitalism, it’s values weirdly weren’t part of that capitalistic world-view. " not to diverge, just i think many would disagree with that statement, open source was the business-friendly tone-down-the-freedom movement

Jun 22 01:02

kingoffrance

i think author is just young perhaps, not accusing them of anything ,anyways, enough

Jun 22 01:02

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Jun 22 01:03

MinceR

well, tone down they did

Jun 22 01:06

MinceR

to 0

Jun 22 01:06

kingoffrance

maybe, ever-shifting goal posts means if you dont go along with the shifts you get branded "extremist" so it becomes all just noise at that point

Jun 22 01:08

kingoffrance

devolves into pure perception/marketing

Jun 22 01:09

kingoffrance

all values get destroyed

Jun 22 01:09

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Jun 22 01:12

activelow

a rough estimate of capital damages (not individual income) here is a handful of dozens of millions of coins worth of securities/assets destroyed (unrelated to the freenode spook)

Jun 22 01:14

*kingoffrance pours gas on fire.

Jun 22 01:29

kingoffrance

i think this applies to bloat too

Jun 22 01:29

kingoffrance

not that im sure you would want metrics, but its always gonna be "32G of ram is normal now, nothing to see here, ..." ratios might be only way to handle that, if one were so inclined

Jun 22 01:30

kingoffrance

ratios of ram usage to some particular system or base, whatever

Jun 22 01:30

kingoffrance

without a defined base, "bloat" is always handwaved away

Jun 22 01:31

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Jun 22 01:32

activelow

unaltered trend is +20% bloat or more each year

Jun 22 01:38

kingoffrance

not that i doubt, but any references for that?

Jun 22 01:39

kingoffrance

even anecdotal is fine

Jun 22 01:39

activelow

lines of code in GCC, lines of code in Kernel, number of commits

Jun 22 01:40

activelow

from year 2003 i remember the mountains of telco standards stockpiled, didn't look back anymore

Jun 22 01:43

activelow

outside the realm of "big foss" there's "big telco" too

Jun 22 01:43

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 22 01:59

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Jun 22 02:04

AdmFubar

Jun 22 02:04

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Jun 22 02:04

AdmFubar

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/06/21/microsoft-is-trying-to-stop-the-distribution-of-the-leaked-windows-11-iso-using-dmca/

Jun 22 02:08

AdmFubar

But is anyone actually stealing it?

Jun 22 02:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Microsoft is trying to stop the distribution of the leaked Windows 11 ISO using DMCA - gHacks Tech News

Jun 22 02:08

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Jun 22 02:12

MinceR

lol

Jun 22 02:13

MinceR

gotta have new icons and rounded corners

Jun 22 02:14

AdmFubar

I think ms is try to get people to steal it so they can say their install numbers are up..

Jun 22 02:19

psydroid

> Not sure if scientes is around, but just in case: https://youtu.be/du5q_Jpk2rQ

Jun 22 02:27

psydroid

Мне нравится эта песня. Я иногда сл

Jun 22 02:27

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Jun 22 02:27

XRevan86

psydroid: Слушаешь Гребенщикова?

Jun 22 02:28

psydroid

слушаю русский альбом

Jun 22 02:29

psydroid

XRevan86, волки и вороны :)

Jun 22 02:30

psydroid

Да

Jun 22 02:30

XRevan86

psydroid: А суть песни про Аксёнова оценил? :)

Jun 22 02:31

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XRevan86

"@ FreeNode"

Jun 22 02:37

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Jun 22 02:38

psydroid

XRevan86, я не понял всё :)

psydroid

I want to spend July working on my Russian among other things

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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/10131247008/as-predicted-smaller-media-outlets-are-getting-screwed-australias-link-tax.shtml

XRevan86

Anyway, a surprisingly good song for a parody with a political statement :)

Jun 22 02:40

AdmFubar

Jun 22 02:40

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Jun 22 02:40

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Jun 22 02:41

psydroid

Jun 22 02:41

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Jun 22 02:42

AdmFubar

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210619/16491447023/doj-asks-dc-court-to-compel-decryption-device-seized-capitol-raid-case.shtml

Jun 22 02:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOJ Asks DC Court To Compel Decryption Of Device Seized In A Capitol Raid Case | Techdirt

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Jun 22 02:47

AdmFubar

https://xkcd.com/2479/

Jun 22 02:51

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Jun 22 02:51

AdmFubar

https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/19/0447209&from=rss

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Texans' Smart Thermostats Raised Remotely - SoylentNews

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kingoffrance

schestowitz, more or less finished l0derview except last 1/2 is not related so didnt see need to finish. l0de says andrew was cleaning out "open source" people, and l0de says he himself was trying to destroy freenode for 20 years so it is sweet. l0de i interpret 1/2 serious 1/2 not.; my opinion: nothing of substance worth talking about, stick with whatever you consider real issues/work/etc.

https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774999

kingoffrance

unless you want to do an article about GNAA or something

Jun 22 02:54

kingoffrance

or whatever it is

Jun 22 02:54

XRevan86

> In the next week or two we're going to continue, you know, finding toxic channels and closing them down.

Jun 22 02:54

XRevan86

This was a good quote though.

Jun 22 02:55

XRevan86

kingoffrance: The interview doesn't give much about what is planned for freenode, but does shed light on what kind of person rasengan is.

Jun 22 02:55

kingoffrance

sure, agree. and it comes off as optics to me and for the lolz

Jun 22 02:56

XRevan86

l0de was definitely having fun.

Jun 22 02:56

kingoffrance

optics as in, true or not, "hurl back the allegation" that people saying other people are toxic are toxic. just doesnt seem something i want to jump in the middle of when stuff is being thrown

Jun 22 02:56

XRevan86

kingoffrance: So far the definition of toxicity was whether a person is on board with the new vision.

Jun 22 02:57

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Jun 22 02:59

kingoffrance

"Deny, v.t. See Hurl Back the Allegation" its not too immature for me, just noise/signal ratio i dont see any reason to jump in again

Jun 22 02:59

kingoffrance

and (dont use myself) there seems consensus ircclown ban or whatever was over personal dispute

Jun 22 03:01

kingoffrance

XRevan86, thats what i mean, anyone who uses "toxic" i will step out and let them fight

Jun 22 03:03

kingoffrance

i dont think you win by trying to "claim" it or whatever

Jun 22 03:04

XRevan86

kingoffrance: It's only free speech when it aligns with the freedom party line.

Jun 22 03:04

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 22 03:08

kingoffrance

XRevan86, thats also kind of what i meant by my jurassic park analogy :)

Jun 22 03:09

AdmFubar

Jun 22 03:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Even creepier COVID tracking: Google silently pushed app to users’ phones [Updated] | Ars Technica

Jun 22 03:24

psydroid

Google owns your "smart" "phone", not you

Jun 22 03:27

AdmFubar

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/eyeball-destroying-black-fungus-cases-spike-to-over-30000-in-india/

Jun 22 03:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Black fungus” surges in India—thousands blinded, maimed, dead | Ars Technica

Jun 22 03:28

AdmFubar

this is getting worse...

Jun 22 03:28

activelow

german mobile network operator seeks to forcibly phase out my old mobile phone with the argument they wouldn't support 3G anymore and 4G is mandatory, didn't support any covid app either

Jun 22 03:38

activelow

well, this mobile too supports 2G operation, i'll wait and see what happens, 2G fallback was mandatory iirc, they cannot shut it down except if they lock out by IMEI intentionally

Jun 22 03:39

AdmFubar

no more old style landline in the usa either, no one make the equipment anymore.

Jun 22 03:48

AdmFubar

https://hackaday.com/2021/06/21/a-collection-of-linux-tools-on-steroids/

Jun 22 03:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Collection Of Linux Tools On Steroids | Hackaday

Jun 22 03:51

activelow

no.

Jun 22 03:56

AdmFubar

ok I'm outta here for the night...

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Jun 22 03:59

psydroid

I read that name as AI (as in HEY HI) Williams

Jun 22 04:17

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#Techrights Bulletin for Monday, June 21, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

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A Collection Of #GNU #Linux Tools On Steroids | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/06/21/a-collection-of-linux-tools-on-steroids/ ䷉ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 05:30

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Jun 22 05:30

schestowitz

psydroid: HI HI to you too, william

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● NEWS ● #NTP ☞ Deprecating ntpdate http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate

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● NEWS ● #SanDiegoUnionTribune #OpenAccess ☞ Opinion: Textbooks are expensive. Universities should use Open Educational Resources instead. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2021-06-21/textbook-cost-open-educational-resources-ucsd

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Opinion: Textbooks are expensive. Universities should use Open Educational Resources instead. - The San Diego Union-Tribune

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● NEWS ● #DigitalHealth #Standards ☞ #NHS Digital launches its Terminology Server to help boost data sharing https://www.digitalhealth.net/2021/06/nhs-digital-launches-its-terminology-server-to-help-boost-data-sharing/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalhealth.net | NHS Digital launches its Terminology Server to help boost data sharing

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#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Cyber agency says SolarWinds [crack] could have been deterred by simple security measures https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/559426-cyber-agency-says-solarwinds-hack-could-have-been-deterred-by-simple

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● NEWS ● #YLE #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Police: Looming non-EU import delays likely to increase scams https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/police_looming_non-eu_import_delays_likely_to_increase_scams/11992355

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police: Looming non-EU import delays likely to increase scams | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi

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#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Inside a ransomware attack: how dark webs of cybercriminals collaborate to pull one off https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/inside-a-ransomware-attack-how-dark-webs-of-cybercriminals-collaborate-to-pull-one-off/83714383

Jun 22 07:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Inside a ransomware attack: how dark webs of cybercriminals collaborate to pull one off, IT News, ET CIO

Jun 22 07:10

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● NEWS ● #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ Carnival Cruise says customer data exposed in breach https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/559144-carnival-cruise-says-customer-data-exposed-in-breach

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Carnival Cruise says customer data exposed in breach | TheHill

CrystalMath

psydroid: hey are you still on freenode?

CrystalMath

someone wants to contact you

CrystalMath

who doesn't want to come here

Jun 22 07:14

schestowitz

many people are still on freenode but not very active there

Jun 22 07:14

schestowitz

there's a bad atmosphere there of intimidation and shame

Jun 22 07:14

CrystalMath

hey i'm active there

Jun 22 07:17

CrystalMath

just not on this channel there, because the stupid bridge pings me :P

Jun 22 07:17

CrystalMath

and i wish you had IPv6 so i can connect my bouncer

Jun 22 07:17

schestowitz

painful to watch what happened to the network so fast

Jun 22 07:19

schestowitz

one blunder after another

Jun 22 07:19

schestowitz

before you can even digest the ramification of the previous one

Jun 22 07:20

techrights-bot/fn

Virtual Injustice -- Part 15 will be published today or tomorrow. It is the finale of the series about #epo #corruption #injustice #coverup and #kangarooCourts

Jun 22 07:22

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● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Censorship ☞ #Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/22543428/twitch-bans-amouranth-indiefoxx-sexually-suggestive-asmr

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams - The Verge

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● NEWS ● #SaudiGazette #Censorship ☞ Procedures for release of foreign publications being expedited https://saudigazette.com.sa/article/608026/SAUDI-ARABIA/Procedures-for-release-of-foreign-publications-being-expedited

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-saudigazette.com.sa | Procedures for release of foreign publications being expedited - Saudi Gazette

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● NEWS ● #MSPoweruser #Censorship ☞ #Microsoft ’s #Tiananmen Square fiasco draws the attention of Republican law makers https://mspoweruser.com/microsofts-tiananmen-square-fiasco-draws-the-attention-of-republican-law-makers/

Jun 22 07:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft's Tiananmen Square fiasco draws the attention of Republican law makers - MSPoweruser

Jun 22 07:26

techrights-bot/fn

"Movements and businesses need funding and the less talked about problem is the payment processors. And I would argue that companies like Stripe, Paypal, Mastercard, Visa, all hold way more power than any social media platform like Facebook could ever dream of having because these companies are what allow you to even spend your money on the Internet." https://odysee.com/@BrodieRoberts <clipped message>

Jun 22 07:27

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Jun 22 07:27

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on:5/payment-processors-are-the-true-in

Jun 22 07:27

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Monopolies ☞ #Amazon Could Be Forced To Sell Logistics Business Under Bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-22/amazon-could-be-forced-to-sell-logistics-business-under-bill

Jun 22 07:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Jun 22 07:31

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● NEWS ● #IndianExpress #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ Explained: What is music acquisition, and why is it now so popular among the world’s financial giants? https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-music-acquisition-why-is-it-so-popular-now-7367710/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Explained: What is music acquisition, and why is it now so popular among the world’s financial giants? | Explained News,The Indian Express

techrights-bot/fn

#billgates name omitted https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9709245/Ghislaine-Maxwell-documentary.html see https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Ghislaine Maxwell 'taught Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey how to give oral sex' | Daily Mail Online

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times

techrights-bot/fn

"Splitting the daily navigation across HTTP and Gemini is becoming frustrating, I'd like to do everything inside the Geminspace..." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006775.html "Meanwhile I would be happy if this/terminal browsers like lynx. W3m, etc simply gained Gemini support." #curl also. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006776.html

Jun 22 07:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to Gemini

Jun 22 07:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to Gemini

Jun 22 07:35

techrights-bot/fn

This is true. #geminiProtocol needs more love from #gnu #linux repos/package maintainers: "I think majority of these TUI web browsers are just kept alive by the distros maintainers and their development is quite staled..." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006777.html

Jun 22 07:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to Gemini

Jun 22 07:36

schestowitz

is it a good idea to mention in the blog that bully de blanc is no longer employed?

Jun 22 07:38

schestowitz

I think it would be in "bad taste"

schestowitz

kicking someone while down

schestowitz

and nevertheless, it shows that those online mobbing tactics are not a good career pat

schestowitz

thus sending out a bit of a message

schestowitz

if you can think of a tactful way to bring this up, let me know...

https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

schestowitz

more removals!

schestowitz

"I have to go with my heart on this one." https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/pull/44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Add myself (Ariadne Conill). by kaniini · Pull Request #44 · rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io · GitHub

schestowitz

Thank you, Ariadne, you are awesome!

schestowitz

(I will not mention this in Techrights BTW)

Jun 22 07:41

techrights-bot/fn

6,764 people have signed "open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" -- a reactionary petition to one that will soon lose enough signature to fall below 3,000. #gnu #freesw #sharing #FreeSoftware #gpl

Jun 22 07:43

Ariadne

leave molly alone

schestowitz

yes

schestowitz

it's in bad taste

schestowitz

like I said

Ariadne

also i wouldn't thank me for making a politically calculated decision

Ariadne

i'm hardly RMS's greatest fan

schestowitz

I know, not many people are, so that would be framing it with a straw man

Ariadne

i would rather spend my time prosecuting actually active threat actors rather than passive issues like RMS

schestowitz

he needs to sort things out in FSF for succession and all

Ariadne

my purpose of removing myself from the RMS letter is so that i can focus on prosecuting actual threat actors, who use the letter as a strawman

schestowitz

you were right about freecode

schestowitz

*node

schestowitz

is freecode still around at all?

*schestowitz checks

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freecode&type=revision&diff=1022080581&oldid=1022068989

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freecode: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

schestowitz

I used to have some projects there

schestowitz

as freshmeat

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Murdoch #Australis #internet ☞ As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's #LinkTax https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/10131247008/as-predicted-smaller-media-outlets-are-getting-screwed-australias-link-tax.shtml

Jun 22 07:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's Link Tax | Techdirt

Jun 22 07:48

Ariadne

the letter issue also causes problems with trying to actually nudge the FSF in a more fruitful direction

schestowitz

Calling for removal of a founder leads to it

schestowitz

I did not have sway on Novell from within by saying boycott Novell

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schestowitz

but sway from outside Novell

Keep him in orbit https://www.cracked.com/article_30559_petition-demanding-amazons-jeff-bezos-be-banned-from-returning-to-earth-after-space-trip-garners-nearly-50000-signatures.html

schestowitz

though we did try for 1-2 weeks before the site

Jun 22 07:50

schestowitz

to sway from the inside as SUSE users

Jun 22 07:50

schestowitz

Bruce Perens also set up a popular petition at Technocrat

Jun 22 07:50

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #TruthOut #Surveillance ☞ Coalition Demands Federal Ban on Amazon's Punitive Worker Surveillance https://truthout.org/articles/coalition-demands-federal-ban-on-amazons-punitive-worker-surveillance/

Jun 22 07:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Coalition Demands Federal Ban on Amazon's Punitive Worker Surveillance

Jun 22 07:51

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● NEWS ● #CraigMurray #wikileaks ☞ #Assange Is Still in Jail https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/06/assange-is-still-in-jail/ "despite never being sentenced for anything"

Jun 22 07:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Assange Is Still in Jail - Craig Murray

Jun 22 07:52

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● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Privacy ☞ Researchers: 2G Connection #Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/13040347017/researchers-2g-connection-encryption-deliberately-weakened-to-comply-with-cryptowar-export-restrictions.shtml

Jun 22 07:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers: 2G Connection Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions | Techdirt

Jun 22 07:53

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Jun 22 07:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Petition Demanding Amazon's Jeff Bezos Be Banned From Returning To Earth After Space Flight Garners Nearly 50,000 Signatures | Cracked.com

Jun 22 07:54

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● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Raspberry Pi R2D2 console (plus tons of other Star Wars projects) https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-r2d2-console-plus-tons-of-other-star-wars-projects/

Jun 22 07:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Raspberry Pi R2D2 console (plus tons of other Star Wars projects) - Raspberry Pi

Jun 22 07:55

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 22 07:59

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When “politics free zones” are set up what this really means is “do not disagree with the politics of the admin”. https://epicyon.freedombone.net/@bob/106448360010810226

Jun 22 08:02

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"I was shocked to hear that #Europol keeps illegally storing bulk data on non-suspects for years. Innocent citizens run the risk of being wrongfully suspected of having committed crimes." https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106425609307971951

Jun 22 08:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "🇬🇧 I was shocked to hear that #Europol keeps ille…" - chaos.social

Jun 22 08:03

techrights-bot/fn

#nitter instances that I use to keep abreast of some replies to me (so that I do not have to give Twitter traffic) keep perishing. I think I'm already on the firth instance so far this year (they keep going down after a while online)... like Twitter, they lack a business model

Jun 22 08:05

techrights-bot/fn

"a problem as I see with centralized walled gardens pushing alt-right content on all their users, because that drives engagement. [...] onopolised, centralized social media is a monoculture where mind viruses can spread unchecked." https://mastodon.social/@rysiek/105579631849361233

Jun 22 08:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Rysiekúr Memesson: "@allison@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com monopoli…" - Mastodon

Jun 22 08:07

techrights-bot/fn

2021–06–20: #Pinephone keyboard's firmware #I2C interface https://xnux.eu/log/#041 #gnu #linux

Jun 22 08:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xnux.eu | megi's PinePhone Development Log

Jun 22 08:09

techrights-bot/fn

AI = Proprietary algorithm https://mastodon.social/@cypnk/106445669997042286 #HeyHi #ProprietarySoftware #buzzwords #misnomer

Jun 22 08:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖: "Never forget: AI = Proprietary algorithm Every …" - Mastodon

Jun 22 08:10

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"It will require large tech platforms to open up to interoperability, so you can leave the platform for a rival without losing contact with your friends, communities, audiences and customers." https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106451188996054780

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "Last week, Congress introduced the ACCESS Act, on…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fédéré

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"By lowering the switching cost of walking away from Big Tech, Congress could create space for co-ops, tinkerers, nonprofits, startups and public services to create small, user-centered communities built on giving people technological self-determination." https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106451189877575951

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "By lowering the switching cost of walking away fr…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fédéré

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #EFF @doctorow ☞ The new #ACCESSAct is a good start. Here’s how to make sure it delivers. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/new-access-act-good-start-heres-how-make-sure-it-delivers

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The new ACCESS Act is a good start. Here’s how to make sure it delivers. | Electronic Frontier Foundation

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity ☞ How Cyber Safe is Your Drinking Water Supply? https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/how-cyber-safe-is-your-drinking-water-supply/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | How Cyber Safe is Your Drinking Water Supply? – Krebs on Security

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● NEWS ● #Tor #torproject ☞ New Release: #TorBrowser 10.0.18 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10018

Jun 22 08:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.18 | Tor Blog

Jun 22 08:14

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#Debian 10.10 #LXQt https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2021/06/debian-1010-lxqt.html I've been using it for a while, but back to #kde ... wife also tried it, also back to KDE. Same OS.

Jun 22 08:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxmadesimple.info | Debian 10.10 LXQt

Jun 22 08:15

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#debian Junichi Uekawa: "Updated my simple web recording app to support multiple cameras and selecting from it. WebRecord. I didn't need it until today because I didn't use a device with more than one camera as often, but I got hold of a HDMI USB capture device and that changed the game." http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2021-Jun-22.html.en#2021-Jun-22-08:32:28

Jun 22 08:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netfort.gr.jp | Updated my simple web recording app to support multiple cameras and selecting from it.

Jun 22 08:18

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Nice to see the choice of #openStreetMap instead of something #gafam in https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map #sharing #opendata

Jun 22 08:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map )

Jun 22 08:20

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A Collection Of #GNU #Linux Tools On Steroids • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152543

Jun 22 08:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Collection Of Linux Tools On Steroids | Tux Machines

Jun 22 08:22

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Michael Kerrisk (manpages): man-pages-5.12 released • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152544 #gnu #linux

Jun 22 08:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Michael Kerrisk (manpages): man-pages-5.12 released | Tux Machines

Jun 22 08:23

techrights-bot/fn

Cranks: vaccines are for depopulation. Actually, what's more likely, that COVID itself will cause depopulation or something that LOWERS death rates (from COVID) causing 'depopulation'? Of course the cranks don't think so far, do they?

Jun 22 08:25

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● NEWS ● #Techdirt #FB ☞ No, Facebook's Argument In Response To Muslim Advocates' Lawsuit Is Not 'Awkward'; #Facebook Caving On 230 Is What's Awkward https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/00501147014/no-facebooks-argument-response-to-muslim-advocates-lawsuit-is-not-awkward-facebook-caving-230-is-whats-awkward.shtml

Jun 22 08:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, Facebook's Argument In Response To Muslim Advocates' Lawsuit Is Not 'Awkward'; Facebook Caving On 230 Is What's Awkward | Techdirt

Jun 22 08:26

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Net #Internet ☞ Glitches And Greed Mar Effort To Bring COVID Relief To US #Broadband Users https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/06205746986/glitches-greed-mar-effort-to-bring-covid-relief-to-us-broadband-users.shtml

Jun 22 08:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glitches And Greed Mar Effort To Bring COVID Relief To US Broadband Users | Techdirt

Jun 22 08:29

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Julian #assange turns 50 https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/assange-week-julian-turns-50/ #wikileaks

Jun 22 08:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Assange Week - Julian turns 50 - Don't Extradite Assange

Jun 22 08:30

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● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #EU Court: Copyright Trolls Can Target #BitTorrent Pirates Provided Claims Aren't 'Abusive' https://torrentfreak.com/eu-court-copyright-trolls-can-target-bittorrent-pirates-provided-claims-arent-abusive-210621/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Court: Copyright Trolls Can Target BitTorrent Pirates Provided Claims Aren't 'Abusive' * TorrentFreak

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● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver #Quad9 (Updated) https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 (Updated) * TorrentFreak

techrights-bot/fn

The war on #dns is no longer motivated by #nationalSecurity pretexts but protection of BUSINESS interests, including unjust #monopolies ... in #ipfs we have #ipns to help replace and obviate away DNS. Let's do it! Does that support crime? No! In China you get in trouble just for wanting an election.

Jun 22 08:33

techrights-bot/fn

#patent #patents #monopolies #greed #racism https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/21/covid_19_vaccine_apartheid

Jun 22 08:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | End Vaccine Apartheid: Summit on Vaccine Internationalism Demands Urgent Action to Help Global South | Democracy Now!

Jun 22 08:33

techrights-bot/fn

Yanis Varoufakis: Capitalist Nations Bailed Out [CORRUPT] Banks [that should have instead been ARRESTED and LIQUIDATED] While Skimping on Funds to Vaccinate Humanity https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/21/summit_for_vaccine_internationalism

Jun 22 08:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Yanis Varoufakis: Capitalist Nations Bailed Out Banks While Skimping on Funds to Vaccinate Humanity | Democracy Now!

Jun 22 08:34

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #MichaelGeist #RCMP #Canada ☞ The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 93: Lex Gill on the RCMP, #Clearview HEY HI and Canada’s History of #Surveillance https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/06/law-bytes-podcast-episode-93/

Jun 22 08:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 93: Lex Gill on the RCMP, Clearview AI and Canada's History of Surveillance - Michael Geist

Jun 22 08:36

techrights-bot/fn

"Tim Berners-Lee jumps the shark"... he did ages ago... also sold out (or over) #w3c to #pentagon -funded #monopolies with #swpats and #drm https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-130/

Jun 22 08:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latenightlinux.com | Late Night Linux – Episode 130 – Late Night Linux

Jun 22 08:39

techrights-bot/fn

"Less than twenty-four hours later and we have the news that #GNOMEFoundation has sacked Bully de Blanc. Now there really is a Zombie." https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-fired-magdalen-berns-wizard-of-oz/

Jun 22 08:41

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Molly de Blanc has been terminated, Magdalen Berns' knockout punch and the Wizard of Oz

Jun 22 08:41

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Jun 22 08:41

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No, thanks, #ibm ... so long and goodbye. We have clones of RHEL. ⚓ https://www.2daygeek.com/enable-rhel-subscription-red-hat-subscription-management/ ䷉ #2daygeek

Jun 22 08:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to enable Red Hat Subscription on RHEL 8/7 | 2DayGeek

Jun 22 08:43

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Moving from #freenode to #liberaChat is like moving from #centOS to #RHEL after #IBM showed its truly ugly face. The real solution is moving towards independence, be it self-hosting or community-led (REAL communities!) distros!

Jun 22 08:45

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Don't forget the role played by #ibm behind the scenes in the coup against #gnu and #fsf ... they're most effective when they work from the inside, via #redhat staff: http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/

Jun 22 08:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights

Jun 22 08:46

techrights-bot/fn

Squash #fakepatents such as #swpats and get money in the process: "systems and methods of providing content to a terminal having a limited display area for presenting such content" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/21/2000-awarded-for-411-wsou-prior-art

Jun 22 08:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,000 Awarded for '411 WSOU prior art — Unified Patents

Jun 22 08:50

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"a new Directorate for Technology and Innovation in the National Science Foundation [and] to establish a regional technology hub program."

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"a new Directorate for Technology and Innovation in the National Science Foundation [and] to establish a regional technology hub program." https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/senate-passes-the-endless-frontier-act.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Senate Passes the Endless Frontier Act

techrights-bot/fn

Given the #ibm exodus and waves of layoffs I can see the relevance of such an article https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/it-careers-4-ways-recover-setback #redhat

Jun 22 08:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | IT careers: 4 ways to recover from a setback | The Enterprisers Project

Jun 22 08:52

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Jun 22 08:52

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#ibm is in a freefall, so it has been reduced to just dropping all sorts of fluff and buzzwords... and truly ridiculous job titles that don't mean anything and cause people to be overworked, underpaid. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/digital-transformation-10-ways-devops-helps

Jun 22 08:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 10 ways DevOps helps | The Enterprisers Project

Jun 22 08:53

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#RockyLinux 8.4 is out. https://download.rockylinux.org/pub/rocky/8/isos/x86_64/Rocky-8.4-x86_64-boot.iso

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Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77

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#Emmabuntüs DE4-rc1 now available for download. #debian #gnu #linux based. http://emmabuntus.org/ #emmabuntus

Jun 22 08:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-emmabuntus.org | Emmabuntüs – Collectif pour le réemploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux basée sur Debian

Jun 22 08:55

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"Nearly three months after CentOS replacement AlmaLinux reached it's first stable release, Rocky is ready to be a contender." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30017

Jun 22 08:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines

Jun 22 08:56

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#gnu #linux a bloody hydra! You can try to overthrow leaders, kill communication platforms such as #freenode and engage in infiltration, coups, #bribery or takeovers like GitHub... and we just KEEP going because there are so many of us and communities are already to pick up the pieces when orgs fall (or get hijacked). They can't stop us.

Jun 22 08:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▅▅▂▇▃▄▆▅▄▆▄▆▅▃▃▆▅▅▁▅▅▁▁▅▇▇▆▆▃▁ avg(k/sec) 22.50 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▁█▂▁▃▂▁▂▃▄▅▁▁█▂▁▂▁▂█▂▂██▃▁▁▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 39.78▕ swarm size (avg): 310.20 ⟲

Jun 22 08:59

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“As if you could kill a dolphin by swallowing the ocean…” Marten Mickos, CEO of #MySQL (at the time). #oracle #gpl #freesw #mariadb

Jun 22 09:00

techrights-bot/fn

"Microsoft's business strategy is copy the products others innovate, put them into Windows so they can't be unplugged, and then give it away for free." -Trump booster Larrison (Oracle's dictator)

Jun 22 09:02

techrights-bot/fn

"Microsoft has innovated nothing. The thing I find most contemptible is Bill's lying, this thing about innovating. It makes me want to puke. That's innovation a la Rockefeller, not innovation a la Edison." -Trump booster Larrison (Oracle's dictator)

Jun 22 09:02

techrights-bot/fn

"What Microsoft is doing is patently illegal. Think about it. If you want to build computers, you've got to ask Bill's permission. If Bill wanted to triple the price on Windows, what would you do? You'd pay, you wouldn't have any choice." -Trump booster Larrison (Oracle's dictator)

Jun 22 09:02

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Jun 22 09:11

immibis

only if you want to put windows on your computers

Jun 22 09:25

immibis

windows != computers

Jun 22 09:25

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Encryption ☞ Wither Encryption: What Operation Trojan Shield Reveals https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/21/wither-encryption-what-operation-trojan-shield-reveals/

Jun 22 09:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wither Encryption: What Operation Trojan Shield Reveals - CounterPunch.org

Jun 22 09:40

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The #Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/ #uk #covid19 #coronavirus #manchester

Jun 22 09:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)

Jun 22 09:50

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● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Surveillance ☞ #ACLU Alarm as #Amazon Activates Sidewalk Surveillance System https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/20/aclu-alarm-amazon-activates-sidewalk-surveillance-system

Jun 22 09:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | ACLU Alarm as Amazon Activates Sidewalk Surveillance System | Emiliano Falcon-Morano

Jun 22 09:51

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● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies #hoarding ☞ The Response to the Pandemic Has Been Driven by Vaccine Nationalism https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/21/response-pandemic-has-been-driven-vaccine-nationalism

Jun 22 09:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Response to the Pandemic Has Been Driven by Vaccine Nationalism | Rajan Menon

Jun 22 09:56

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Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152545

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

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11 Best Free and Open Source #Email Servers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152546 #freesw

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 11 Best Free and Open Source Email Servers | Tux Machines

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Group F of Euro 2020 is a blunder. How do you pit 3 of Europe's best in one group? Oh, and #spain is in trouble...

Jun 22 10:16

XRevan86

> Moving from #freenode to #liberaChat is like moving from #centOS to #RHEL after #IBM showed its truly ugly face. The real solution is moving towards independence, be it self-hosting or community-led (REAL communities!) distros!

Jun 22 10:57

XRevan86

Uh, more like to Rocky Linux, except completely independent somehow.

Jun 22 10:58

XRevan86

What a strange analogy.

Jun 22 10:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▃▂▁▄▂▃▄▃▄▄▅▆▄▅▅▆▃▅▅▁▅▅▅▅▇▅▅▃▄▅▄▅▂▅▁ avg(k/sec) 20.36 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁██▁█▁▁▁█▁▂▂▁▂█▂▂█▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 52.43▕ swarm size (avg): 310.16 ⟲

Jun 22 10:59

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● NEWS ● #Techdirt #privacy ☞ DOJ Asks DC Court To Compel Decryption Of Device Seized In A Capitol Raid Case https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210619/16491447023/doj-asks-dc-court-to-compel-decryption-device-seized-capitol-raid-case.shtml

Jun 22 11:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOJ Asks DC Court To Compel Decryption Of Device Seized In A Capitol Raid Case | Techdirt

Jun 22 11:04

schestowitz

XRevan86: they are not independent

Jun 22 11:06

schestowitz

I was thinking more like Gentoo

Jun 22 11:06

schestowitz

MAYBE even Debian... maybe

Jun 22 11:07

schestowitz

though companies poison that too since decades ago

Jun 22 11:07

XRevan86

schestowitz: CentOS and RHEL are IBM products, Rocky Linux is based on RHEL, i.e. an IBM product. Libera Chat is completely independent from freenode, Ltd.

Jun 22 11:08

immibis

XRevan86: it makes sense if you believe IBM is the old freenode staff

Jun 22 11:10

immibis

and that they lost their jobs because they tried to do cancel culture and andrew stood up to them

Jun 22 11:10

XRevan86

immibis: In that case RHEL and CentOS are… free from IBM now?

Jun 22 11:10

MinceR

XRevan86: libera is run by the same people who ran freenode

Jun 22 11:13

MinceR

and some of them are the problem

Jun 22 11:13

XRevan86

How is that in any way like CentOS?

Jun 22 11:14

MinceR

centos sucks in exactly the same way in which rHELL sucks

Jun 22 11:19

XRevan86

MinceR: And?\

Jun 22 11:20

XRevan86

(except for the strings attached just to use RHEL)

Jun 22 11:21

MinceR

and libera sucks in exactly the same way in which old freenode sucked

Jun 22 11:21

XRevan86

MinceR: Wouldn't an XMMS and Audacious analogy work much better?

Jun 22 11:23

XRevan86

except that XMMS wasn't taken over

Jun 22 11:23

MinceR

no, because those are both pretty good

Jun 22 11:24

MinceR

and free

Jun 22 11:24

XRevan86

CentOS was sold and then ruined, in that way Rocky Linux is a lot like Libera Chat, brought up by some former CentOS folk

Jun 22 11:25

techrights-bot/fn

Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152547

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

Ariadne

[05:21] <MinceR> and libera sucks in exactly the same way in which old freenode sucked

Ariadne

ehh

immibis

Ariadne: it was run by cancel culture libtard SJWs, don't you see?

Jun 22 11:27

Ariadne

a lot of freenode problems were driven by a vacuum of governance

Jun 22 11:27

Ariadne

immibis: i do understand that framing but i don’t think it is useful

Jun 22 11:27

immibis

> i do understand that framing

immibis

oh no, she's turning alt-right

Ariadne

i meant the argument

schestowitz

sometimes governance itself can be the cause of issues for some projects

schestowitz

because not everyone wants to be bossed

Ariadne

a lot of the lack of consistency in moderation of freenode was simply because freenode staff just did what they felt was right individually

schestowitz

certainly not volunteers

schestowitz

and they were put off by Lee's governnance

Ariadne

libera has actual governance

Ariadne

i think they deserve the benefit of the doubt

schestowitz

yes, but...

Ariadne

how they operate from what i see is quite a bit different than old freenode actually

schestowitz

my analogy was imperfect, but I lacked a perfect parable

schestowitz

because centos is owned by IBM

Ariadne

christel was largely the person responsible for “canceling” random projects prior to lee

Ariadne

she would literally show up

schestowitz

funny you brought up governance

Ariadne

and tell projects do XYZ or else

schestowitz

as I was just bringing that up in "Neil’s Misgovernment"

Ariadne

christel is gone

schestowitz

it's like GNOME FOundation is governed by IBM, Google. Microsoft...

schestowitz

the community plays no role

Ariadne

the people who run libera are largely trustworthy

schestowitz

no REAL role

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/gnome-foundation-mt-gox.jpg

schestowitz

Ariadne

libera wants its community to play a real role

Ariadne

they are working on mechanisms to enable that

XRevan86

Lee was given so much benefit of the doubt, and he didn't deserve it.

Ariadne

freenode never wanted that

schestowitz

they also ban parts of the community

schestowitz

so it's biased towards a particular outcome

schestowitz

not just alongside free sw

Ariadne

what parts of the community have libera banned?

schestowitz

there seems to be this intent: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/a50b72a8ca842944b40de3c2cdf776f6

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schestowitz

now, I'm not defending alt reich, but...

Ariadne

joepie91 is not a libera staffer

schestowitz

it starts like this

schestowitz

ok, good

Jun 22 11:33

schestowitz

that he's not a staffer

Jun 22 11:33

Ariadne

and he’s entitled to ban whoever he wants on his channels

Jun 22 11:33

*XRevan86 wonders if freenode would've taken over his channels over this.

Jun 22 11:34

Ariadne

i can tell you based on experience if you give alt-right people an inch they will take a lot more than an inch

Jun 22 11:34

Ariadne

so, it is really best to not tolerate the behavior

Jun 22 11:34

Ariadne

the alt right got their foot in pleroma’s door and that has largely been devastating to the project

Jun 22 11:35

psydroid

CrystalMath, thank you for the heads-up, I am still on Freenode and will reply to the messages and e-mails

Jun 22 11:35

Ariadne

funding and manpower lost

Jun 22 11:35

Ariadne

the beauty of foss is

Jun 22 11:36

Ariadne

the alt right can go fork my code and do whatever they want with it

Jun 22 11:36

Ariadne

i don’t have to tolerate them in my spaces

Jun 22 11:36

Ariadne

but to let them into a space is to basically say trolling is fine

Ariadne

and once you say that there’s no rolling it back

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Jun 22 11:38

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Jun 22 11:38

XRevan86

Ariadne: I think the problem is that "alt-right ideology" is not as clearly defined as one may think, so when something like that is forbidden, one wonders if that means them.

Jun 22 11:39

gustaf

thanks for the link Ariadne

XRevan86

like "I'm not a yes-man for all the trends on Twitter, does that mean I'm alt-right?"

gustaf

good read

XRevan86

Irrespective of whether that view is correct, I think that's what people fear.

schestowitz

which link?

Jun 22 11:41

Ariadne

XRevan86: yes, this is why i explicitly say what my boundaries are

Jun 22 11:41

schestowitz

insurrection is past the boundaries

Jun 22 11:41

schestowitz

or people making jokes about running over "liberals" (they call that people who don't agree with them)

Jun 22 11:42

Ariadne

for example, i'm not going to work with people who advance the ideological viewpoint that i should not have the right to live my life as i see fit

Jun 22 11:42

Ariadne

and, i demonstrated that by leaving pleroma when they gave gleason commit access

Jun 22 11:42

Ariadne

freedom of speech does not mean that people are obligated to continue their association with you after you say things that are fundamentally incompatible

Jun 22 11:43

schestowitz

was a link sent in another channel?

XRevan86

gustaf: The IRC.com link?

XRevan86

I haven't checked, but I think the last link from Ariadne was https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401

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Ariadne

pocock, for example, had a legitimate grievance about FSFE. his pursuit of that grievance lead to a campaign of harassment against FSFE personnel, which lead to the Debian project leadership wanting him out of Debian. that was a consequence

schestowitz

[00:04] <Ariadne> https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401

schestowitz

ah, yes, XRevan86 beat Ariadne to it. VERY informative.

schestowitz

I always threw that coffin in the water...

XRevan86

Ariadne posted it in the microblog before I saw it, but I got it from a different source :)

Ariadne

his removal from Debian has lead to a campaign of harassment against debian developers

schestowitz

microblogging does not scale well

schestowitz

people think they get "the news" from it, but platform owners shape what people see

gustaf

Ariadne: is there an unbiased account of the pocock situation ?

Ariadne

uhh

schestowitz

months ago he went way over some boundaries

Ariadne

i mean, i'm not an FSFE member or debian developer

Ariadne

and i'm not pocock

XRevan86

It's only cancel culture when "bad" people do it.

Ariadne

so i would like to think my view is largely unbiased

Ariadne

XRevan86: right, exactly, pocock used the same mobbing tactics as others

schestowitz

he was a campaigner for indigenous people in au

Ariadne

i don't really know what happened

gustaf

Ariadne

i think he has a mental issue

gustaf

maybe it's not important

Ariadne

he went from pretty reasonable, to basically nuts

schestowitz

but I think the more you silence and marginalise people, the more likely they are not return to civil discourse

Ariadne

in about 6 months

schestowitz

this is what sometimes drove Assange to some right-wing think tanks

Ariadne

schestowitz: i agree, but at the same time, daniel was doxing people

schestowitz

Ariadne: not in the earlier days

schestowitz

2017-2019

Ariadne

in the earlier days, he was impersonating people and sending them hate mail

schestowitz

he highlighted google misuse of $ to control projects

Ariadne

which is not really

schestowitz

not just the FSFE issue

Ariadne

an improvement

schestowitz

he knew and saw as a mentor

Ariadne

i'm aware of the GSoC incident

Ariadne

however, he was mentoring his girlfriend

schestowitz

btw, I was sent some home addresses of epo managers

Ariadne

that is a significant conflict of interest

schestowitz

obv. never published those

schestowitz

in fact, one had a house fired, likely an accident, not arson

Ariadne

you can't be the boss of somebody you're dating

schestowitz

it can be 'funny'... until some nut uses the info to do something terrible

schestowitz

that happened in debian

schestowitz

this whole program is problematic imho

Ariadne

(that said, i'm not really enthusiastic about the GSoC program in general. atheme participated three times, and we did not really like the attitude of Google or other orgs participating)

schestowitz

also a canonical employee doing the same

schestowitz

Google is getting more aggressive over time

schestowitz

I find myself unable to sympathsise with Google on anything

schestowitz

unlike, say, a decade ago

schestowitz

when Microsoft attacked them by proxy

Ariadne

well, i am unable to sympathise with daniel mentoring his girlfriend in GSoC

schestowitz

now Google has x2 the market of Windows, depending on what's measured

gustaf

the Verge has a hilarious link of all the different chat protocols and apps and services Google has spammed over the years

Ariadne

he should have known that was a conflict of interest

schestowitz

gustaf: yes, hard to keep track

schestowitz

it's one thing they never managed to dominate

Ariadne

but again, not a fan of GSoC anyway

Ariadne

so don't really care

Ariadne

just pointing out his version of events miss certain relevant details

schestowitz

my personal opinion

schestowitz

whicb is not a nice opinion

schestowitz

interns are a time waste

XRevan86

Ariadne: That conflict of interest doesn't really harm anyone but themselves though.

Ariadne

that was what atheme concluded

schestowitz

most but not al gsoc projects are tons of effort poured out

schestowitz

to produce some sub-par project or a little featurer

XRevan86

so if they think they can pull it off…

XRevan86

on GSoC that is

gustaf

Google IRC when ? ;)

schestowitz

the interns ('students') rarely stay to contribute and improve more after the program

Ariadne

XRevan86: well, they got busted, and thats why daniel was suspended from debian for 6 months

Ariadne

XRevan86: so indeed, he harmed himself with that conflict of interest :p

Ariadne

but GSoC is, as schestowitz notes, a giant waste of time imo

schestowitz

I mean, look at the 'median' outcome

Ariadne

most of the GSoC projects never got integrated into atheme projects

schestowitz

some are outstanding

Ariadne

because we had to rewrite them

schestowitz

but most are like... 3 months... I added some widgets

schestowitz

and mentors could use that same time to get a lot more done

Ariadne

i had some success with audacious, but

XRevan86

Ariadne: Well, did he screw-up as a mentor?

Ariadne

XRevan86: it was alleged that he was just passing his GF without actually doing anything

XRevan86

or was it a GSoC relating to Debian?

Ariadne

XRevan86: yes, relating to debian

Ariadne

XRevan86: so, somebody reported it to google, who hated him or whatever

Ariadne

XRevan86: then google got pissed

schestowitz

I never read or heard that story

schestowitz

or, afaik, nobody documented it online

XRevan86

Ariadne: Right, that's not what I meant by "pull it off" :)

Ariadne

XRevan86: and debian agreed to suspend him to appease google

Ariadne

is basically

MinceR

22 123106 < Ariadne> the people who run libera are largely trustworthy

Ariadne

what happened

schestowitz

we also had people offering to be intern for us

schestowitz

and at the end they did NOTHING

MinceR

and what will the trustworthy people do to keep ibm's influence in check?

schestowitz

we invested hours to help them contribute

MinceR

or google's, or microsoft's

schestowitz

in the add, ZERO contribution

XRevan86

Ariadne: Right, it all boils down to good faith, which he lacked.

Ariadne

MinceR: i mean, i think self-hosting is better obviously

MinceR

22 123449 < Ariadne> so, it is really best to not tolerate the behavior

MinceR

but cancel mobs should be tolerated?

Ariadne

also not

Ariadne

i do not think anyone should have to face mob harassment

XRevan86

We just discussed those

MinceR

22 124018 < XRevan86> like "I'm not a yes-man for all the trends on Twitter, does that mean I'm alt-right?"

MinceR

don't worry, they'll shadowban you then :>

schestowitz

I'd rather have al pacas doing governance

schestowitz

humans are too emotional

schestowitz

and... they LOVE money

Ariadne

in fact, i wrote very powerful tools in IRC and pleroma to protect against mob harassment

Ariadne

which is part of why pleroma got cancelled in the beginning

schestowitz

twitter sells more ads with viral disinfo

XRevan86

MinceR: They won't. Unless ye mean Twitter, those can do whatever the heck they want.

schestowitz

[08:07] <techrights-bot/fn> "a problem as I see with centralized walled gardens pushing alt-right content on all their users, because that drives engagement. [...] onopolised, centralized social media is a monoculture where mind viruses can spread unchecked." https://mastodon.social/@rysiek/105579631849361233

MinceR

i did mean twitter

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MinceR

where being critical of bill gates earns a shadowban

MinceR

and the people who remain are shaped into a mob to attack people

schestowitz

MinceR: no

schestowitz

BAN

schestowitz

not shadow ban

schestowitz

they did it to me

MinceR

schestowitz

and the following day to zoobab

MinceR

i stand corrected

http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/

schestowitz

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Ariadne

anyway, i do not think libera supports cancel mobs

schestowitz

maybe not yet

XRevan86

MinceR: I didn't mean it in a sense of participation on Twitter in particular.

Ariadne

maybe not ever

schestowitz

people can change, staff can roll over

Ariadne

most of the libera staff are the people *I* taught how to run things

schestowitz

christel became a fake millionaire

schestowitz

with millions in debt

Ariadne

good for her

Ariadne

she has nothing to do with libera

XRevan86

Libera Chat now needs to prove they're not a camel

schestowitz

I mean, she was replaced by one

Ariadne

several of the people involved in libera also worked with me on anti-harassment (e.g. anti-mobbing) tools in IRC

schestowitz

I remember Propeller

Ariadne

and in activitypub

schestowitz

aka Netscape

schestowitz

they employed for for 2 years

Ariadne

so,

schestowitz

then AOL mothballed the whole thing

schestowitz

2 months is nothibg

schestowitz

2 years... OK

schestowitz

Freenode was 20+

schestowitz

Techrights 15

MinceR

some of the people running libera are members of a cancel mob

schestowitz

TuxMachines 17

schestowitz

in web terms, that's a lot. Phoronix also lasted very long and still surviving

Ariadne

schestowitz: i've known the people who are driving libera for 10+ years

Ariadne

MinceR: who are they cancelling

schestowitz

Ariadne: how many online users?

Ariadne

signing a stupid fucking letter is not cancelling anyone

XRevan86

schestowitz: 40K

schestowitz

XRevan86: no, I mean for 10 years

schestowitz

oh, wait

schestowitz

I read it wrong

schestowitz

libera was newly-registered

schestowitz

Ariadne

libera is new, but the people who started it aren't

schestowitz

some people said it had not been registered or was under ddos

schestowitz

ok, got it

MinceR

Ariadne: the FSF board, including RMS

schestowitz

they will face challenges

Ariadne

libera was started by the part of freenode staff who came from atheme

Ariadne

it is legit

schestowitz

even in this small networks we have people railing with racist crap

XRevan86

schestowitz: They've already faced a lot of challenges.

Ariadne

MinceR: how are they 'cancelling' the FSF board, including RMS?

XRevan86

Libera is not a new network in many respects.

MinceR

Ariadne: via that letter you know about

MinceR

schestowitz: you'll see more of that crap

XRevan86

in any sense but the literal :)

Ariadne

MinceR: what else you got?

MinceR

Ariadne: nothing, yet

XRevan86

freenode is a new network in any sense but the literal

Ariadne

signing a letter is not joining a harassment mob

schestowitz

XRevan86: true also

Ariadne

you clearly have never been mobbed

schestowitz

we need a new name for it, some say leeNode

schestowitz

l0de :-)

schestowitz

leel0de

schestowitz

nenold ;-)

XRevan86

schestowitz: I might start calling the old freenode Libera retroactively :P

MinceR

schestowitz: sounds like rasengan wants freenode to be a "conservative" network, libera and oftc are showing signs of being crybully networks

XRevan86

Why rename the new freenode when one can rename the old freenode

MinceR

XRevan86: i might fail to understand you then :P

Ariadne

anyway, i will admit that libera is not perfect, but i think it is less bad than old-freenode

schestowitz

OldNode

XRevan86

The history of Libera begins in the year 1994, it was called the OpenProjects Network back then.

Jun 22 12:07

schestowitz

are you saying "open source" predates 1998? :-p

Jun 22 12:07

MinceR

Jun 22 12:07

schestowitz

Linux Foundation, a week ago, celebrated 30 years of "OpenSource"

XRevan86

just the "open" part

schestowitz

so you need to explain to them OSI

schestowitz

but then that involves the F word

schestowitz

LF hates the F and G

Ariadne

linux foundation deals with corporations

schestowitz

XRevan86: the debian mailing list leaks (debian-private) show those terms predating OSI

MinceR

since it kicked out non-corporate members, yes

Ariadne

you can't expect their marketing team to use activist terms

XRevan86

oh, it's 1998 actually

schestowitz

iow, nobody really coined it

XRevan86

I misread

schestowitz

not Tim O of Christine or ESR or Perens

XRevan86

it began as linpeople in 1995, then it became OPN in 1998

schestowitz

they just formalised an existence buzzword

MinceR

LF is its owners' lever for controlling Linux

XRevan86

then it became freenode in 2002

XRevan86

and now Libera in 2021 :)

Ariadne

it became freenode at the behest of the FSF btw

Ariadne

lilo renamed the network to get the FSF on board

schestowitz

MinceR: exactly

schestowitz

not just Linux

schestowitz

everything

schestowitz

it's not about OS anymore, not even tech

Ariadne

i mean, i can't deny that

XRevan86

Ariadne: That's an interesting detail.

schestowitz

the jokes about Roche with "LINUX" detergents? Stay tuned...

schestowitz

Maybe we have "LINUX FOUNDATION LICENSING" soon

schestowitz

to join "LINUX FOUNDATION Research" [sic]

schestowitz

they'll sell licenses to use Linux on garments, condom, toilet paper, brothels...

Ariadne

the people who are doing research are all passionate about free software, would you like to talk to them?

schestowitz

and then they'll gloat about how profitable Linux bcaame

http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/

schestowitz

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XRevan86

Ariadne: Was there a wipe back then too?

Ariadne

anyway, whatever

Ariadne

this conversation has become unhinged and is going nowhere useful

XRevan86

or did they transition more gracefully to the new domain

schestowitz

Ariadne: they are BRANDING people

Ariadne

XRevan86: transition

schestowitz

like Zemlin

Ariadne

schestowitz: they are PAYING people

MinceR

are they merely passionate about it on their CVs, or are they in ideological opposition to the corporations that own their employer?

schestowitz

so I assume as enthusiastic as him.. with his 'i' things...

schestowitz

Ariadne: they are, but they choose winners

Ariadne

anyway, this conversation is, again, going to just be a stupid fight

Ariadne

schestowitz

based on their stakeholder

Ariadne

i'm out

schestowitz

inc. drone strike companies

schestowitz

ok, laters :-)

Ariadne

this is why i support leah's campaign to make the FSF actually do its job again

MinceR

that would be nice

schestowitz

I am too young to know

schestowitz

I assume they started with basics of unix programs

schestowitz

under gpl

schestowitz

and that's all done

schestowitz

now we have kitchen sinks

schestowitz

kubernetes, systemd

schestowitz

just to sell more stuff and build monopolies

schestowitz

also python2, python3...

schestowitz

php1-10

Ariadne

all of this technology should be incubated by stuff like FSF

Ariadne

is the point

schestowitz

if you code in bash, it'll still work 20 years from now

schestowitz

on almost any system

Ariadne

thats what my goal with alpine is, to build an evergreen OS

Jun 22 12:15

Ariadne

the reason alpine went with non-GNU components is because under corporate tutelage, GNU components have largely become crap

schestowitz

"These transitions take time, and there are only ~190 days before it needs to be done."

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30017

schestowitz

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schestowitz

he left Fedora infra months ago

schestowitz

I worry about keeping things running longterm

schestowitz

few people think about it, they pick shiny things like Google frameworks

schestowitz

which change every few years

MinceR

i wouldn't worry about systemd/Linux systems then :>

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schestowitz

MinceR: our hv lacks system

schestowitz

systemd

Ariadne

systemd is the ultimate example of what i mean by said corporate tutelage

schestowitz

and runs OK

MinceR

good

Ariadne

yes, techrights has been slowly migrating to alpine

Ariadne

one container at a time

schestowitz

I agree php and mysql compat might be tricky for some CMS bits

schestowitz

Drupal upgrades are notorious for compatibility reasons

Ariadne

well we need entire new CMS thing anyway

Ariadne

something that can do both web and gemini

schestowitz

in the long run

Ariadne

anyway

Ariadne

i already have enough mountains of technical debt

Ariadne

to deal with

schestowitz

move fast

schestowitz

break everything

Ariadne

yeah that worked great for andrew

schestowitz

that's what's hip now

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schestowitz

maybe it was always like that

schestowitz

But I'm in my 30s and started programming around 15

schestowitz

it's easy to run old pascal programs

schestowitz

than something from just 10 years ago made with php

schestowitz

php+kitchen sink

schestowitz

I still run php-nuke http://schestowitz.com/Vision/

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MinceR

he learned it from rust?

http://schestowitz.com/MARS/

schestowitz

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schestowitz

MinceR: RMS says fork it

schestowitz

"Crust"

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schestowitz

and make something less erratic

schestowitz

without the trademark issues

MinceR

and then try to keep up with an erratically churning upstream, either holding on to a half-baked design, or being erratic itself

MinceR

though i suppose they could keep stable versions and group the big changes for the next release

XRevan86

Ariadne: I wonder what his next move is

Ariadne

who cares

schestowitz

MinceR: no, it could work

MinceR

and mark language version in the source code files somehow

Ariadne

maybe he will staff up weev

schestowitz

you have stuff that's advertised as Crust-compatible

schestowitz

and always sticking to that, like an LTS

XRevan86

Ariadne: I know one person that does %)

MinceR

XRevan86: Andrew? :>

schestowitz

Andrew Weeb

schestowitz

Weev

XRevan86

MinceR: No, his name starts with a sch

*schestowitz looks away

XRevan86

schestowitz

Aurenheimer iirc

schestowitz

he used to try to chat me up

schestowitz

in twitter

schestowitz

twitter tolerated him for very long

XRevan86

Still dependent on freenode.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/22543428/twitch-bans-amouranth-indiefoxx-sexually-suggestive-asmr

schestowitz

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XRevan86

To be fair, I'm also invested, but it's more like a movie to me.

XRevan86

I don't have a stake in the outcome.

XRevan86

except that if it breaks the bridge again, it'll be a headache again

Jun 22 12:27

Ariadne

an example of what i mean by GNU software being crap

https://security.alpinelinux.org/vuln/CVE-2019-20633

Ariadne

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Ariadne

this has not been fixed in 2 years

schestowitz

denial of service

schestowitz

given a specific file

Ariadne

DoS is a dumb way of saying it crashes

Ariadne

the point is

Ariadne

crash bug reported

Ariadne

not fixed

Ariadne

not even acknowledged

XRevan86

patch isn't exactly a service

schestowitz

what privs needed to crash it

schestowitz

can it be crashed remotely over an open port?

Ariadne

ignore the security part

Ariadne

its not a security bug

XRevan86

schestowitz: ability to make a file and then give it to patch

Ariadne

its a crash bug

Ariadne

some dumbass CVE chaser got a CVE for it

Ariadne

which is a problem in and of itself

XRevan86

Ariadne: Why is that a problem?

schestowitz

I worry about the NSA back doors in things like iOS and Windows... Android also

Ariadne

schestowitz: i didn't say use those, now did i?

schestowitz

they're a high priority issue, usually the media overlooks all that

schestowitz

not whataboutism

Ariadne

the reason why i support leah's savegnu thing

Ariadne

is because

Ariadne

she wants to solve *this*

schestowitz

a matter of priority, all programs are imperfect

schestowitz

even mine

Ariadne

yes, but unfixed bug

Ariadne

for 2 years

Ariadne

because nobody is actually maintaining patch anymore

Ariadne

is my point

schestowitz

did someone offer a patch?

Ariadne

somebody (me) is about to

schestowitz

:-)

Ariadne

just to make that go away from my tracker

schestowitz

I still wait for mozilla to fix thunderbird pgp

schestowitz

because I cannot encrypt messages to some people

Ariadne

but for example

schestowitz

they broke it months ago

Ariadne

i've already switched from GNU make

Ariadne

to remake (a fork)

Ariadne

because GNU make maintainer is AWOL

schestowitz

and then we could not even access their bug tracker to report this

Ariadne

and remake's maintainer is not

schestowitz

is patch used over the web in web interfaces?

Ariadne

dunno

Ariadne

diff is

schestowitz

if not, it's a bit like "doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then stop doing this"

Ariadne

well, its not

Ariadne

if a valid patch file can crash patch, it is a bug and it should be fixed

Ariadne

and the reproducer is valid

Ariadne

context diffs are a crime against humanity tho

immibis

schestowitz: everything is used over the web until proven otherwise

schestowitz

or the dog barks

XRevan86

Ariadne: remake doesn't look particularly alive.

http://techrights.org/2020/10/04/internet-rabid-dogs/

schestowitz

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immibis

i wonder if bringing it up with the wider GNU project instead of just the patch maintainer would help?

schestowitz

if no maintainer exists, it can be forked

schestowitz

and the fork might even overtake the original :-)

schestowitz

sourceSITE.org/PatchPatche

schestowitz

sourceSITE.org/PatchPatcheD

schestowitz

patch systemd-patchd

schestowitz

which patch

XRevan86

Ariadne: There's a lot more activity going in GNU make

schestowitz

/usr/bin/patch

Ariadne

XRevan86: well, thats a recent development

immibis

schestowitz: it's even better to become the maintainer. Far less overhead

immibis

in cases where the project is part of a larger project which is still staffed, they may just replace the maintainer position

schestowitz

or add one

schestowitz

maybe someone has an ordeal like divorce or lost parent or fiancial crisis

immibis

that way there is continuity - downstream users don't need to actively switch

schestowitz

and can resume at a later point

*Ariadne researches this damn CVE

Jun 22 12:41

Ariadne

can't reproduce on alpine

Jun 22 12:41

XRevan86

> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file foo.rej

Jun 22 12:42

XRevan86

> patch: **** replacement text or line numbers mangled in hunk at line 41

Jun 22 12:42

XRevan86

as patch -Rf it doesn't crash eithre

Jun 22 12:44

Ariadne

hmm, did get it to reproduce finally

Jun 22 12:44

XRevan86

Ariadne: how?

Jun 22 12:44

gustaf

is "alis" a module or a separate service or what?

Ariadne

patch -Rf < PoC_df

XRevan86

Ariadne: That doesn't crash for me.

Ariadne

No file to patch. Skipping patch.

Ariadne

Segmentation fault

Ariadne

crashes here

Ariadne

yes, double free

Jun 22 12:46

XRevan86

Ariadne: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b1eb2984

Jun 22 12:46

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Jun 22 12:46

XRevan86

https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/devel:tools/patch/fix-segfault-mangled-rename.patch?expand=1 could this be it

Ariadne

yes, i think debian has a mitigation for it already

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-build.opensuse.org | File fix-segfault-mangled-rename.patch of Package patch - openSUSE Build Service

Ariadne

oh, suse

Ariadne

Ariadne

thats from 2018

XRevan86

The other patches are marked "ed-style"

Jun 22 12:49

XRevan86

and are similiarly old

Jun 22 12:49

gustaf

patch is dark magic

Jun 22 12:50

gustaf

from the depths of Larry Wall's twisted brain

Jun 22 12:50

XRevan86

I don't know why it works.

Jun 22 12:50

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Jun 22 12:51

Ariadne

parse-datetime.tab.c:646:10: fatal error: parse-datetime.tab.h: No such file or directory

Jun 22 12:54

Ariadne

quality code

Jun 22 12:54

*Ariadne figures it out using patch-2.7.6

Jun 22 12:55

XRevan86

It does reproduce.

Jun 22 12:57

XRevan86

it doesn't crash, but it does have an invalid free

Jun 22 12:58

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XRevan86

Ariadne: I can check on Debian

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Ariadne

im working on it

Jun 22 13:02

Ariadne

i think i figured it out

Jun 22 13:02

XRevan86

Ariadne: It's fixed on Debian

Jun 22 13:02

XRevan86

> definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks

Jun 22 13:03

XRevan86

> ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts

Jun 22 13:03

Ariadne

XRevan86: which patch version is that

Jun 22 13:06

Ariadne

2.7.6-7?

Jun 22 13:06

XRevan86

2.7.6-7, yes

Jun 22 13:06

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Jun 22 13:07

gustaf

how many patches would patch accept if patch accepted patches?

Jun 22 13:07

immibis

how many gnus would a gnu patch patch if a gnu patch could patch gnus?

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Ariadne

thats still broken in RHEL

https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1407311083858190346

Ariadne

so much for RHEL being 'best at patching'

Jun 22 13:12

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Jun 22 13:12

XRevan86

2.7.6-3+deb10u1 is fixed as well

Jun 22 13:12

XRevan86

that should narrow it down

Jun 22 13:13

XRevan86

https://sources.debian.org/src/patch/2.7.6-3+deb10u1/debian/patches/ not as many as 2.7.6-7 has.

Jun 22 13:14

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Jun 22 13:14

Ariadne

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: @CVEannounce CVE-2019-20633 is mitigated by https://t.co/52dSQcaqyP

Ariadne

i figured it out

Ariadne

Ariadne

the thing that was tripping me up is

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Ariadne

the person who filed for the CVE claimed that a commit *after* that was vuln

Ariadne

but i cannot reproduce

Ariadne

and backporting that commit i linked fixes it in alpine's package

Ariadne

sooooo

XRevan86

Ariadne: Ye checked with valgrind, right?

Ariadne

yes

Ariadne

btw

Ariadne

still not fixed in RHEL

Ariadne

haha

Ariadne

just going to point that out

XRevan86

Ariadne: 2.7.6-3+deb10u1 doesn't have that mitigation…

Jun 22 13:17

Ariadne

its the right one

Jun 22 13:17

XRevan86

How does it work though?

Jun 22 13:17

XRevan86

Many different patches break the reproducer in different ways?

Jun 22 13:18

Ariadne

p_end wasn't being properly bounds-checked

Jun 22 13:18

Ariadne

i checked with some fprintf() debugging

Ariadne

anyway, this is way too on-topic for #techrights

Ariadne

blah blah blah cancel culture

Ariadne

linux foundation does not sell tux plushies

https://smbc-comics.com/comic/the-end

XRevan86

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Ariadne

a conspiracy at the highest level

Ariadne

i think GNU patch is an eldritch horror though

Ariadne

somebody should rewrite it

Ariadne

to be uhh

Ariadne

not larry wall code

XRevan86

Maybe someone already did, but the word "patch" is unsearchable

Jun 22 13:21

Ariadne

Jun 22 13:21

Ariadne

but don't worry, the FSF will run some marketing campaign about how if you play the Windows 7 DVD backwards in a DVD player, it will tell you all the secrets bill gates doesn't want you to know

Ariadne

or something

Ariadne

instead of paying people

Ariadne

to rewrite GNU software

Ariadne

so it is to modern standards

Ariadne

imagine an FSF that pays for the production of free software

XRevan86

Is Savannah as GitLab actually going to be a thing?

Ariadne

i mean, that seems like a good idea

XRevan86

Savannah is horrible, so definitely

XRevan86

That will make contributing to GNU projects more… friendly.

Ariadne

indeed

Ariadne

though you still have to FAX

Ariadne

yes, FAX

Ariadne

the copyright assignment agreement

Ariadne

so, they need to do something there too

Ariadne

(you can also print it out and send it snail mail to FSF)

gustaf

that could be some dumb lawyer thing, state-specific

Ariadne

nah

Ariadne

massachusetts doesn't require that

Ariadne

it can be e-signed

gustaf

ok good to know

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Ariadne

i weep every time i hear about fax machines still being in use in 2021

gustaf

did Wall write patch before or after Perl

gustaf

or concurrently

Ariadne

concurrently i think

XRevan86

Every other project allows stating the CLA intent in the merge request and be done with it.

XRevan86

https://oca.opensource.oracle.com/ and I assume Oracle's lawyers know what they're doing when people sign a CLA on a website.

Jun 22 13:32

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Jun 22 14:35

kingoffrance

XRevan86, you're too kind, it means oracle's lawyers dont see any money in fax machines :)

Jun 22 14:58

kingoffrance

the second that changes, 180 :)

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Jun 22 14:59

schestowitz

[13:19] <Ariadne> linux foundation does not sell tux plushies

Jun 22 15:03

schestowitz

I think maybe it did similar to that

Jun 22 15:03

schestowitz

[13:23] <Ariadne> imagine an FSF that pays for the production of free software

schestowitz

LF barely pays for Linux development

schestowitz

it pays very few kernel hackers

schestowitz

kernel coders are paid by some of the same companies that pay to work on GNU

schestowitz

about fax machines, I was surprised I still had to use one around 2005 for IEEE copyright stuff

Jun 22 15:06

schestowitz

16 years later FSF still uses that

Jun 22 15:06

schestowitz

remember when modems was still sold as fax stuff?

Jun 22 15:06

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Jun 22 15:11

kingoffrance

i thought all-in-one printers still do fax? but i think there are websites too

Jun 22 15:12

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kingoffrance

in a parallel universe where i had to have a fax, i would prefer a modem, assuming it was documented, so i could script it/etc.

Jun 22 15:14

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Jun 22 15:16

activelow

kingoffrance: for fun i ordered some 56K usb modem dongles on amazon, had no time yet to check this and write a howto

Jun 22 15:16

activelow

could be interesting too reviewing bitmap printing with epson-type matrix plotters

Jun 22 15:17

activelow

cannot catch up anymore

Jun 22 15:17

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Jun 22 15:18

immibis

Ariadne: there is a lot to be said about not rewriting working software. You'll put all the bugs back in and they'll have to be ironed out again

Jun 22 15:19

immibis

refactoring is fine

Jun 22 15:19

activelow

was even thinking to revitalize some ax25 hobby project, to see if some of this could make it over the air, with a fully opensource soft-modem implementation maybe

Jun 22 15:20

MinceR

22 142229 < Ariadne> but don't worry, the FSF will run some marketing campaign about how if you play the Windows 7 DVD backwards in a DVD player, it will tell you all the secrets bill gates doesn't want you to know

kingoffrance

well i dont know anything but fax, dont think ive ever even sent one except through some web site; however, "ui-wise" 1) press buttons on tiny lcd screen on all-in-one printer (or cell phone, or some janky web interface) 2) website, here today gone tomorrow 3) write scripts i can make do whatever i would prefer 3

gustaf

I worked with a ham

https://cdn.boldomatic.com/content/post/xWvgOw/People-say-that-if-you-play-Microsoft-CD-s-backwar

MinceR

gustaf

told me about ax25

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Jun 22 15:23

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Jun 22 15:23

kingoffrance

s/but/aboot/

Jun 22 15:23

activelow

kingoffrance: of i have to review this again, was a long time ago, in the middle in between 56KBaud was replaced with the glorious ISDN 64KBaud

Jun 22 15:24

activelow

in any case 56K modems are interesting since these implemented some modern modulation already, for educational purpose

Jun 22 15:24

activelow

even older Modem stuff is, 56K was rather modern already, although forgotten

Jun 22 15:25

activelow

since most WiFi/UMTS chips are proprietary, with 56K some relevant parts are documented

Jun 22 15:26

activelow

which is i might add good enough to learn and play with

Jun 22 15:26

kingoffrance

and i guess the fancy printer is going to print magic watermark dots so "uncoupled" to other things is perhaps better odds of not getting magic watermark dots :)

Jun 22 15:26

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Jun 22 15:29

activelow

anyway, i am still surprised gnu/fsf is entangled with Microsoft, didn't know that

Jun 22 15:31

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Jun 22 15:32

activelow

gnome, i meant to say

Jun 22 15:32

activelow

didn't know rust-foundation was microsoft too

Jun 22 15:33

activelow

a professor at Telecom university had warned us, mentioning microsoft seeked to take control over the internet and telco too, 20 years ago

Jun 22 15:34

activelow

he wouldn't take seat in an aircraft anymore once microsoft provided software for this business too, wouldn't disagree with that

Jun 22 15:34

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Jun 22 15:36

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Jun 22 15:37

activelow

they weren't happy with telco management 20 years ago already, didn't dare to question any of this

Jun 22 15:37

activelow

it is noteworthy too this entire telco is strongly entangled with politics, their headquarters placed right beside each other

Jun 22 15:38

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Jun 22 15:39

activelow

wasn't it Telco were Unix originated?

Jun 22 15:42

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gustaf

Bell Labs yeah but they did a lot of general research

activelow

and i see AT&T is headquartered in Texas, next to Texas Instruments, yet i failed to comprehend the tooling provided by TI to play with embedded things, it's vendor-locked onto Microsoft now

gustaf

AT&T inherited the code

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Bell_Operating_Company

gustaf

isn't AT&T owned by a former Baby Bell

Jun 22 15:44

activelow

German Telco has an interesting history too, in particular east-germans (portrayed as "uncompetitive" and such)

Jun 22 15:45

schestowitz

Baby?

Jun 22 15:45

gustaf

Jun 22 15:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Regional Bell Operating Company - Wikipedia

Jun 22 15:46

gustaf

``Currently, three companies have the RBOCs as predecessors: AT&T, Verizon, and Lumen Technologies.''

Jun 22 15:46

gustaf

why do I know this shit

gustaf

so useless

MinceR

activelow

with Telco R&D and operation must be distinguished too

activelow

and management

psymin

gustaf, not useless :)

MinceR

well, it seems to have something to do with the history of Unix, so not useless

gustaf

at least in Sweden there were revolving doors between the local POTS monopoly and Ericsson

gustaf

but it's a small country

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gustaf

I was in Ericsson's testing lab on 9/11

gustaf

one of the weirdest days of my life

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Jun 22 15:51

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Jun 22 15:54

schestowitz

freenode down

Jun 22 15:56

lightbringer/fn

is it?

Jun 22 15:56

schestowitz

for one client of mine (konversation)

Jun 22 15:56

schestowitz

[15:57] [Error] Connection to server capelle.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.

Jun 22 15:57

schestowitz

* asusbox2 has quit (Z-lined)

schestowitz

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schestowitz

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schestowitz

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schestowitz

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MinceR

classy

schestowitz

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schestowitz

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schestowitz

very reliable

schestowitz

"welcome to my world!"

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MinceR

did you even say anything with those clients?

DaemonFC

schestowitz, Lake County, Illinois ditched Windows Server

Jun 22 16:01

techrights-bot/fn

5 Best Linux Video Players on Which You Can Rely on • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152557 #gnu #liux

Jun 22 16:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Linux Video Players on Which You Can Rely on | Tux Machines

Jun 22 16:01

schestowitz

DaemonFC: good

Jun 22 16:02

DaemonFC

I noticed that all of the pages stopped being served up as ASP or whatever.

Jun 22 16:02

DaemonFC

They've switched to an apache web server and the documents end in xhtml now.

Jun 22 16:02

DaemonFC

They want me to go to court over Zoom.

Jun 22 16:03

DaemonFC

But there's an option to dial into the trial by a regular phone call.

Jun 22 16:03

DaemonFC

I'll probably just use Zoom. I don't want to screw up here.

Jun 22 16:03

DaemonFC

The insurance company mom has decided to go to remote work permanently and get rid of the offices.

Jun 22 16:04

DaemonFC

This empty office space is just going to stay empty for the most part.

Jun 22 16:05

activelow

the real sad story is with "privatized" Telco i couldn't at least receive BBC radio or radio moscow anymore with DAB+ in germany

Jun 22 16:07

activelow

it was a common competition in east germany who could errect the biggest antenna on his roof to illegally receive radio stations from the "class enemy"

Jun 22 16:08

techrights-bot/fn

Is #germany so unhappy with corrupt #epo that it prepares this fallback (for when EPO collapses because of its crimes)? https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/german-parliament-adopts-patent-act-1849223/

Jun 22 16:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German Parliament Adopts Patent Act Amendment | Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP - JDSupra

Jun 22 16:08

techrights-bot/fn

#patent maximalists never liked the ability to throw out fake #patents https://www.iam-media.com/law-policy/speed-of-chinese-patent-invalidations-poses-challenges

Jun 22 16:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | China's high-speed validity trials can be hard to keep up with | IAM

Jun 22 16:09

activelow

with a typical analog radio schematics were provided, to solder and repair the equipment, and remove some bandpass filters

techrights-bot/fn

Corrupt EPO management pushing some propaganda for its kangaroo court, EBA, which is nothing more than a rubberstamping tool of dictators who do illegal things and crave the veneer of judges https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210622.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Press Communiqué of 22 June 2021 on decision G 4/19 of the Enlarged Board of Appeal

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights

schestowitz

I never had such issues with freenode until a week ago

schestowitz

now they arbitrarily z-line legit connections

MinceR

schestowitz: did those clients say anything?

schestowitz

each week they try to outdo themselves with a 30-day diet pan

schestowitz

*plan

schestowitz

maybe below 10k online users by month's end

schestowitz

MinceR: I closed that after failing again with another hostname

Jun 22 16:14

MinceR

just as apple presented a thinner, lighter CEO, freenode itself is also becoming a thinner, lighter IRC network

Jun 22 16:14

DaemonFC

There were some big IRC networks that now have a couple hundred users left.

Jun 22 16:14

schestowitz

we need more networks

schestowitz

not more big networks

DaemonFC

I hope the author of mIRC invested that royalty money well because it's got to be a dwindling revenue stream.

schestowitz

BTW, re fedivrse

schestowitz

too many users still in very few and very large fediverse-compatible islands

DaemonFC

XChat got abandoned, probably for the same reason.

schestowitz

mastodon.social is one of them, iirc

DaemonFC

IRC usage shrinking and people either patching out the shareware enforcer or using an unofficial Windows build.

CrystalMath

MinceR: tbh InspIRCd is causing some issues for some people

CrystalMath

i know someone who can't connect anymore because of it

schestowitz

yes, that's me

schestowitz

I struggled a lot

CrystalMath

but he's trying

schestowitz

had to hardcode IPs and hostnames sometimes, just to get in

CrystalMath

some of my friends are making a gateway proxy

CrystalMath

his IRC client crashes on inspircd

CrystalMath

can't join freenode nor LunarIRC

DaemonFC

The Linux build didn't cost anything, so the $29 shareware fee for the Windows build was basically subsidizing the rest.

schestowitz

the best IRC network for self-harm is one that denies access :-)

CrystalMath

schestowitz: so right now we talk on EFNet

schestowitz

clap clap to PIA team

DaemonFC

It got increasingly difficult to justify the $29 for the Windows build because by the end it was mostly just a stripped down GTK and custom mojis or something. The clones even had spell check.

schestowitz

I wonder how many cancellations PIA processed amid this freenode scandal

CrystalMath

cancellations?

schestowitz

VPNs

CrystalMath

schestowitz

if they handle VPN stuff like they do IRC...

MinceR

CrystalMath: maybe they shouldn't have switched to it then

DaemonFC

schestowitz, I'm less concerned with the Freenode thing and more concerned with "US" servers ending up actually being in Chile and small island nations.

schestowitz

what are the hostnames of freenode right now?

DaemonFC

Why would they be shutting down US servers unless they thought there were about to be legal problems in the US?

DaemonFC

I mean, with PIA.

CrystalMath

MinceR: eh, even the 100-strong LunarIRC won't change their ircd because of some proprietary ancient IRC client

schestowitz

DaemonFC: maybe they ALREADY have

schestowitz

but no canary

schestowitz

they did this in HK IIRC

schestowitz

pulled out servers out of there

schestowitz

months ago

CrystalMath

MinceR: i understand that, tbh

schestowitz

maybe they just shrink :-)

DaemonFC

Well, the Chicago server is still in Illinois.

schestowitz

and it's cheaper to maintain servers in CHile

CrystalMath

there's nothing wrong with InspIRCd

DaemonFC

But they replaced US West and US East.

activelow

most servers were European, always wondered why

DaemonFC

Well, they include notations on some of the servers that the actual server is somewhere else and the location is "geolocated" there.

XRevan86

> A Z-line or zap line (also written Z:line) is similar to a K-line, but applied to a client's IP address range, and is considered to be used in extreme cases.

DaemonFC

But no such note about the US servers.

schestowitz

well, they shut me out anyway

schestowitz

well done, freenode. you need not even convince me to quit

schestowitz

the trump train keeps going choo-choo

schestowitz

to nowhere

schestowitz

under 1000 online users by xmas

XRevan86

schestowitz: Like… all of your clients?

schestowitz

none of this happened until they tore apart the systems they had inherited

Jun 22 16:23

schestowitz

XRevan86: just some

Jun 22 16:23

schestowitz

but that's bad enough

Jun 22 16:23

DaemonFC

I might move over to Mozilla VPN.

DaemonFC

It's just Mullvad with a different client program (Under the MPL 2.).

DaemonFC

I haven't heard of anyone getting infringement letters with Mullvad.

DaemonFC

So it stands that Mozilla VPN is probably safe.

https://youtu.be/rBb0lkGPj0Q

DaemonFC

VPN subscriptions saves me more than it costs.

Jun 22 16:29

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla VPN Makes Absolutely NO SENSE - YouTube

techrights-bot/fn

#Microsoft has #NSA back doors, but let's focus on what can be done on "Linux" provided it is already compromised, somehow... https://thehackernews.com/2021/06/wormable-darkradiation-ransomware.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Wormable DarkRadiation Ransomware Targets Linux and Docker Instances

techrights-bot/fn

Let's talk not about Microsoft back doors but about how #hardware defects (nothing to do with Linux) can cause Linux to slow down a bit https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/22/spectre_linux_performance_test_analysis/

Jun 22 16:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Do you want speed or security as expected? Spectre CPU defenses can cripple performance on Linux in tests • The Register

Jun 22 16:32

XRevan86

I need to ask the people on freenode, such as cubexyz, cybrNaut, KindOnescientes, smnthermes, zoobab, this: what stops you from connecting to the channels on irc.techrights.org ?

Jun 22 16:33

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XRevan86

* KindOne, scientes

schestowitz

maybe old habits and 20 years if brand power

schestowitz

no matter if FN is no longer the same. Different people, different software too.

Jun 22 16:36

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 22 16:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Heroic Games Launcher, Peachleaf Valley, Residual | Tux Machines

Jun 22 16:36

techrights-bot/fn

A More Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day https://libreofficemaster.blogspot.com/2021/06/a-more-realistic-light-bulb-for.html #LibreOffice #opendocument

Jun 22 16:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libreofficemaster.blogspot.com | A More Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day

Jun 22 16:38

MinceR

i'm on freenode and nothing stops me from connecting here :>

techrights-bot/fn

#Patents are Political, says someone who takes money from #litigation firms to do political #lobbying for #swpats and other ludicrous patents (they made it about business, not science) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/patents-are-political.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Patents are Political | Patently-O

XRevan86

MinceR: "your problems are not my problems"

techrights-bot/fn

Of course the court supports the notion that #fakepatents need to go away https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/arthrex-supreme-preserves.html #patent #ptab #uspto

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | United States v. Arthrex: Supreme Court Preserves the PTAB | Patently-O

XRevan86

Libera: may ban someone, splitting the community maybe? we cannot allow that!

XRevan86

freedom: bans all the time, splits communities like it's nothing. it's fine as long as I can connect.

MinceR

i'm also connected to illibera and oftc

Jun 22 16:43

techrights-bot/fn

So what's the next plan for #patent extremists. Recruit insurrectionists to bomb #PTAB h

Jun 22 16:43

MinceR

doesn't mean i have to like any of them

Jun 22 16:43

MinceR

or to have illusions about their ircops

Jun 22 16:44

MinceR

also, i haven't received my random free z-line yet

techrights-bot/fn

#chemeurope ... Another publisher that writes spam for corrupt EPO management in order to distract from EPO #crimes https://www.chemeurope.com/en/news/1171557/long-lasting-data-storage-with-encapsulated-dna.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chemeurope.com | Long-lasting data storage with encapsulated DNA

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights

XRevan86

MinceR: My idea is that I want to push everyone on the freenode side to join the self-hosted server, and if that fails I want to continue pushing schestowitz to open a presence on Libera. Because if we cannot achieve the former, then the latter is better than what we have.

Jun 22 16:46

MinceR

Jun 22 16:46

MinceR

or we could consider opening a presence on some other irc network

immibis

activelow: odd to avoid airlines just because microsoft is making the entertainment system or the scheduling system or whatever

schestowitz

what's the benefit of LC?

XRevan86

MinceR: Preferrably even more obscure.

schestowitz

More people does not imply better discussions

MinceR

indeed

XRevan86

schestowitz: I casted particular people intentionally

MinceR

obscure is preferable to hostile to free software

schestowitz

it's like all that outreach crap that ends up eating oneself

XRevan86

MinceR: We already have obscure: this.

MinceR

it is also preferable to "random z-lines lol"

schestowitz

let's bring people from race x, gender y, county z

MinceR

XRevan86: it could be less obscure than this

schestowitz

and then you recruit people who don't care about your cause

schestowitz

so you become xyz instead of what you actually stand for

schestowitz

see EFF

immibis

<CrystalMath> some of my friends are making a gateway proxy <-- why the fuck would you do this, instead of just accepting freenode is a burning pile of dog piss, and quitting it for good

XRevan86

What's a gateway proxy? Like this bridge?

MinceR

sticking to burning piles of dog piss worked out so well for our community, why stop now?

activelow

immibis: this is reason enough already

CrystalMath

immibis: no u

activelow

anyway, couldn't fully comprehend yet the fuss around AT&T, SCO, Novell and Microsoft

immibis

XRevan86: they can't get on freenode the normal way for some reason so they MITM themselves to fix the bugs

CrystalMath

it's also for LunarIRC

immibis

activelow: it is only a reason if you have a "personal" grudge against microsoft, rather than just hating their specific business activities

activelow

wikipedia says AT&T was denied to commercialize their Unix when AT&T was state owned

XRevan86

MinceR: Libera is a common denominator where everyone is except for a very select few.

activelow

immibis: i am having a grudge against privatised telco

MinceR

that's a new spin on the old "you're just haters" yarn, i guess

XRevan86

Just like freenode was.

MinceR

XRevan86: until ibm pays them more

immibis

activelow: have you tried making a telco? Not sarcasm

immibis

more people who are pissed off with telcos should try making their own

immibis

or pissed off with anything computer-related, really

MinceR

immibis: where would they get the capital?

immibis

fiber cable is $0.30 per meter

MinceR

and how would they get the government (typically already captured by the old telcos) to let them build infrastructure?

schestowitz

very expensive

immibis

or at least was, a couple years ago, at one specific location

XRevan86

I wonder why cubexyz isn't writing anything anymore. He used to be active.

schestowitz

and even more for underwater maintenance

schestowitz

XRevan86: he was never very active

schestowitz

sometimes silent for months

immibis

MinceR: 1) it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, 2) you probably don't need as much permission as you think you do, even if you do everything by the book

MinceR

lol

immibis

MinceR: unless they have a law like "no telcos except comcast", you can simply do it

activelow

seems AT&T Unix was freely available to universities, at the time

MinceR

here the government sues you if you fix a pothole and forces you to dig it out again

immibis

MinceR: now, you may have problems with other laws, like running cables across other people's land...

MinceR

imagine what they would do if you dug up the street to install cables

XRevan86

Ah, he actually wrote a bit more than a week ago, I just missed it.

immibis

MinceR: digging up the street is a routine operation done for all sorts of reasons, have you researched the requirements?

MinceR

no, but i know that there's like 1 or 2 telco available here

immibis

it happens every day without significant issues (just always on a different bit of street)

MinceR

and in most places in this country there's only 1 telco/ISP

immibis

MinceR: anyway who says you have to dig up the street? tried aerial cables?

immibis

MinceR: or wireless?

MinceR

the aerial posts are owned by somebody too

XRevan86

Anyway, my idea is that when there are valued members that won't or can't join this server, then it's easier to convince to accomodate them.

activelow

and it was Stallman who was involved with POSIX, interesting, didn't know that yet either

immibis

MinceR: it could literally start with a cable between you and your neighbour across both your property

MinceR

i'm not sure about wireless

MinceR

maybe WiMAX would work?

MinceR

immibis: and who has access to the Internet backbone, me or my neighbor?

immibis

MinceR: there are many technologies, and I do not know the details because I was interested in wired networks because they are generally better if you are able to physically construct them

techrights-bot/fn

There is no such thing as "Intellectual Property Rights"; They're not Intellectual, not Property, and not Rights. Does a law degree entitle you to lie to the public? https://singhania.in/blog/pharmaceutical-industry-and-intellectual-property-rights-an-indian-perspective ䷉ #singhania

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-singhania.in | Pharmaceutical Industry and Intellectual Property Rights – An Indian Perspective

MinceR

well, yeah

MinceR

i'm all for starting local mesh networks, but that's not the same as running your own telco or ISP

immibis

MinceR: Either of you can hire a business connection from your incumbent ISP. And work on upgrading that later. Unless they say "fuck off, no competition allowed"

XRevan86

techrights existed just fine on freenode for many years, and I really don't think it'll be any worse on Libera. Meanwhile, on the new freenode it gets worse constantly.

immibis

in which case, that is a serious concern. I know in NZ they have some sort of neutrality law to prohibit that sort of thing.

MinceR

if your problem is that your incumbent ISP sucks, how will getting a business connection from them help?

immibis

MinceR: depends on the kind of suckiness, when I did my research, I was focused on reducing costs

XRevan86

To me it's like restoring the connection.

immibis

the actual connection was fine

techrights-bot/fn

#Patent extremists and profiteers are sobbing a lot this week. Pass them a cup to soak the tears and explain to them that #patents aren't rights and many granted patents are simply fake and part of a #scam to protect the few, at everyone else's expense https://www.managingip.com/article/b1scm6m2q7v36q/scotus-vacates-and-remands-arthrex-preserves-ptab #ptab

MinceR

immibis: ah, so it's about sharing a business connection with the neighbors

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | SCOTUS vacates and remands Arthrex; preserves PTAB | Managing Intellectual Property

MinceR

that sounds doable

immibis

MinceR: but I believe they usually come with much better SLAs, and cost accordingly exorbitant prices, but if you can spread that price around more people, it can work

immibis

you are buying a "good" product instead of a "cheap" product

MinceR

immibis

residential connections from a lot of ISPs are "cheap" products

immibis

MinceR: Yes, and this connection sharing arrangement, *is an ISP*

activelow

immibis: i studied at German Telecom University, insofar i did try my best

XRevan86

Like schestowitz kept saying that freenode is important, and that's how I feel too, except not towards the domain name.

techrights-bot/fn

As generic as f-! https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/06/nfc-notes-washington-gallup-cowboys-ridley-falcons #Trademarks #Trademark #USPTO #law

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.profootballrumors.com | NFC Notes: Washington, Gallup, Ridley

activelow

immibis: up until when some certain red lines were crossed, they may hire their PHd candidates elsewhere now, i don't give a ...*

Jun 22 16:58

immibis

MinceR: an ISP is *any organization* that gives you internet, doesn't matter how it's set up. You hear "start an ISP" and think "hire a lawyer to fill in 3 metric tonnes of paperwork", I say it and I think "share a business connection with your neighbours"

Jun 22 16:58

activelow

maybe Microsoft can propose same Telco management staff now?

Jun 22 16:58

XRevan86

The community is important, the organisation of the network that helped form that community is important, and all those things are still there.

MinceR

well, i was thinking more about building infrastructure between backbone (something like BIX) and customers' premises

immibis

MinceR: (and if they won't give you a business internet connection for an ISP, you can investigate other options, like buying IP space, leasing a line to an IXP and using a spare desktop as a main router since it's only serving a handful of people...)

techrights-ipfs-bot

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schestowitz

XRevan86: many here are long timers

schestowitz

and LC would very much not have a lot to offer to us

schestowitz

maybe #python or #perl are different

schestowitz

because people come there for different reasons than here

immibis

MinceR: I think usually it's split more like customer premises -> PoP (i.e. your ISP's office/datacenter) -> backbone. And you could focus on one half of that

MinceR

immibis: ok, i see your point

XRevan86

schestowitz: It has the same to offer as before.

schestowitz

btw, does anything actually happen at LC:/techrights?

schestowitz

I never logged into or connected to LC

CrystalMath

XRevan86: well libera is the less than half the size of the old freenode

CrystalMath

that's a success on its own, every strike against SJWs is good

XRevan86

schestowitz: I don't think it matters while it is unregistered.

schestowitz

yeah

CrystalMath

every time SJWs lose something it's a victory

schestowitz

and I doubt much is said there regardless

schestowitz

it's like walking into a cave instead of a house

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schestowitz

and then proclaiming to have "property"

MinceR

i was in libera/#techrights once, looked like a techrights haters club

schestowitz

based on nicks?

immibis

MinceR: if you want to run something that's not a mesh, you probably want to focus on the "access network" which is the part that gets physical connections to as many customers as possible for the cheapest price possible. Therefore they usually try to not put as little equipment as possible there. It's just a big glorified multiplexer. You want your expensive routers to be on the multiplexed side of that multiplexer, as close to your PoP as

immibis

possible because then you need less of them to serve more connections

XRevan86

Now that techrights came around on freenode, the sentiment may differ anyway.

immibis

MinceR: also all this is kinda conjecture, I did not actually build an ISP, I got pulled away from that idea by some company promising 3x my salary if I move halfway around the world

XRevan86

schestowitz: Anyway, the idea is that the people that indeed come to #perl and #python can join #techrights on the same network.

MinceR

schestowitz: based on discussion

CrystalMath

XRevan86: the unofficial #perl

CrystalMath

since the official perl is on irc.perl.org :P

CrystalMath

and it's #perl-help

XRevan86

CrystalMath: It's so unofficial it's mentioned on https://perl.org/community.html

immibis

schestowitz: naturally not very much since it's not the official channel. when I was there it was mainly the people banned from FN techrights

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Community - www.perl.org

CrystalMath

XRevan86: it is in fact unofficial

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XRevan86

CrystalMath: I wonder why it exists and prominent then

CrystalMath

XRevan86: there's also a #perl on freenode, it's also unofficial

CrystalMath

and due to shenanigans, there's also a ##perl on freenode

CrystalMath

that's Dresden's fault

immibis

MinceR: point is, complaining does nothing, you have to work up the courage to go out there and actually do something, or you're no better than a SJW liberatard. And not be afraid of starting small, and not be afraid of the possibility of utterly failing either

XRevan86

CrystalMath: The idlers don't know how to rejoin, makes sense.

CrystalMath

XRevan86: nope they changed their autojoin from #perl to ##perl

CrystalMath

because Dresden promised more relaxed rules

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Jun 22 17:06

MinceR

immibis: tell that to activelow

Jun 22 17:06

activelow

i was caught by surprise slightly when assuming freenode was operated by and for academics and related topics, including philosophy and politics

immibis

activelow: when was the last time you tried to write software for aeroplanes?

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Really don't know how that is, it doesn't pop up in the search engine either.

XRevan86

* who that is

activelow

immibis: wasn't directly involved with this

CrystalMath

XRevan86: a freenode person who got K-lined

XRevan86

Not Putin, is it? He was stationed in Dresden at one point

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schestowitz

just checked, 31 people online

CrystalMath

XRevan86: lol :P

activelow

immibis: for some weeks i should code for an airbus supplier, who implemented some industrial image processing algorithms

CrystalMath

XRevan86: no there was someone named Dresden on freenode

schestowitz

used their webchat client

CrystalMath

he was cool until he started raging against anonchat

activelow

immibis: i rejected their offer to work for 1400Euros minus taxes

immibis

not sure if typo or poverty

immibis

or different way of measuring salary

XRevan86

CrystalMath: That made him a SJW, and his k-line is a victory?

activelow

immibis: then i worked for an eutelsat subsidiary and implemented some traffic accounting system in Perl there, 1400Euros again

immibis

XRevan86: libera staff are SJWs and k-lining people from libera is their victory

activelow

then i worked for some Volkswagen supplier who implemented some automotive infotainment, again 1400 euros

CrystalMath

XRevan86: no, Dresden is just... i don't even know

schestowitz

superkuh is there

schestowitz

they might as well change the topic to point to the real network

MinceR

unless it's +t

MinceR

as nobody has op

schestowitz

not the 'fake' channel simply inherited by people changing their IRC client's settings

CrystalMath

MinceR: i could maybe ask some libera staff to do it?

CrystalMath

just to change the topic

XRevan86

schestowitz: It's unregistered, so no topic change %)

MinceR

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

activelow

the last time i got in touch, and this will be the very last time in my life, was when I was ordered to implement some NoSQL text processing to categorize documents for German Aerospace and Telecom supplier

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schestowitz

XRevan86: here's the thing

schestowitz

I know it sounds repetitive but

schestowitz

1) freenode is what's already in place

schestowitz

2) objective is to become self-hosted

schestowitz

3) extending to another (new) network harms (2)

schestowitz

there are other issues, which relate to why (2) is so important, inc. governance

XRevan86

schestowitz: My question is: does freenode have any value over just being the legacy home?

schestowitz

freenode's value is in a freefall

schestowitz

they'll just do their thing... let them

XRevan86

because if it does, then that should be relocated

schestowitz

it is

schestowitz

to here

XRevan86

Annoyingly not a single person I casted replied.

schestowitz

no prodding needed

Jun 22 17:15

schestowitz

if they destory their own networks, then they have only themselves to blame. Right now I cannot even connect to freenode from my main laptop

Jun 22 17:15

schestowitz

second time in less than a week

Jun 22 17:15

immibis

MinceR: btw since you asked "where do I get the capital?", your side have been constantly telling me that it's easy to get capital by working hard, so just do that

schestowitz

one possible thing to do, risk free, is to announce in the LC channel that they should move to this network

MinceR

immibis: "my side"? you're confusing me with someone else

XRevan86

schestowitz: This whole discussion started (and then derailed) from my saying that it all boils down to whether some things just can't be moved over from the big network.

immibis

MinceR: are you not a supporter of capitalism and/or a libertarian?

MinceR

immibis: defined how?

XRevan86

So I'm probing for whether that's the case or not.

schestowitz

heck, maybe even a daily reminder would help

immibis

MinceR: by your own definition

schestowitz

to nudge people to where actual discussion happens

MinceR

immibis: if i want to own property and have freedom, does that mean that i have to believe that it's easy to amass capital in this joke of a society that we have? it does not follow

XRevan86

schestowitz: Then it somehow turned into a discussion about that there are other weird networks out there, and then that actually all hail rasengan for saving us from SJWs

Jun 22 17:19

MinceR

did he really, though?

Jun 22 17:19

XRevan86

MinceR: Can't go wrong with that many k-lines

Jun 22 17:19

*x_ is now known as kingoffrance

Jun 22 17:20

immibis

MinceR: generally people support capitalism because they believe it's the system that makes it easiest to amass wealth, i.e. capital, out of all possible systems

Jun 22 17:20

CrystalMath

immibis: that's not why i support it

Jun 22 17:20

immibis

CrystalMath: you believe it is not the system that makes it easiest to amass wealth?

XRevan86

immibis: Different people mean different specifics by "capitalism".

CrystalMath

i support it because i believe nobody but the person themselves knows best about the path that person should take

MinceR

XRevan86: even if nobody gets to connect to freenode ever again, how does that save us from SJWs?

schestowitz

CNXSOFT posting pure junk now :-) https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/22/posture-correction-smart-sensor-helps-you-sit-or-stand-upright/

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CrystalMath

immibis: i believe in everyone choosing their own way without anyone telling them what to do

XRevan86

MinceR: That just means that the SJW is YOU

MinceR

lol

CrystalMath

immibis: freedom from others is the #1 reason why i like capitalism, i don't care about becoming rich

CrystalMath

it's ALL about freedom to me

MinceR

immibis: generally people mean different things by "capitalism" and with some people even that keeps changing

schestowitz

CrystalMath: makes sense

immibis

CrystalMath: why do you participate in most of society then? It means giving up freedom

schestowitz

some people think money liberates them

MinceR

immibis: i insist on the right to property because there's no way to have IT security or privacy without it

schestowitz

from worry etc.

XRevan86

MinceR: CrystalMath definitely doesn't have a problem with assuming that everyone means the same thing as he does.

immibis

like, living in a town means you lose the right to shoot your guns wherever you want

schestowitz

it's true to a point, where you no longer get threatening calls from a bank

schestowitz

or your children, if any, don't risk death/starvation

immibis

MinceR: the right to property is not capitalism, capitalism is the right to own profits generated by other people, as property

MinceR

immibis: and i distrust command economy because it has been very well demonstrated that it only leads to suffering and ruin

CrystalMath

schestowitz: nah it just adds more worry

immibis

and the system which naturally results from people being able to trade these rights to own profits

activelow

i am surprised i wasn't threatened anymore

MinceR

immibis: see, the person i asked what capitalism was before you said it was basically just the right to property

activelow

they tried to incarcerate me

activelow

got the documents

CrystalMath

immibis: i believe society should be just voluntary

immibis

MinceR: well, if you can own anything as property, you can also own these profit rights. If you couldn't own these profit rights, that would be a state limitation on property

MinceR

immibis: so according to you capitalism is being able to employ other people?

MinceR

profit rights are not objects, so they're not property

immibis

MinceR: it's more like ownership without working. If you own X you get paid even if you don't work. That's capitalism

MinceR

they might be monopolies, though i'm not sure how that would work

immibis

MinceR: what do you think about intellectual property?

immibis

or shares

MinceR

Imaginary Property should not be enforceable

schestowitz

XRevan86: tell me if I'm off my rocket, but to me LC it proof that number of users mean nothing to a network. You can have many users with ridiculous debate or no debate at all.. LC might seem ok for a "numbers games", but in practice not of value to us

immibis

at least that's consistent, what about shares?

schestowitz

*rocker

CrystalMath

i agree with mincer, "intellectual" "property", which is neither intellectual nor property, is bullcrap

XRevan86

CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/YpuRcmPnSTM I think this is the second time I give you this link

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What you just said - YouTube

schestowitz

CrystalMath: it's a ploy to enrich the rich

schestowitz

techdirt recently wrote about it too

XRevan86

"i believe society should be just voluntary" – regarding this

schestowitz

something along the lines of, if we have big tech so much, why do we keep giving them patent monopolies?

immibis

you have to define what counts as voluntary. I can voluntarily shoot you in the face - that's voluntary for me, but not for you. Or we can reverse that, and make it voluntary for you, but not for me. Neither one is fully voluntary. One is better, but neither is voluntary

CrystalMath

XRevan86: i know you disagree

CrystalMath

immibis: the only interaction that happens should be voluntary on both sides, otherwise there should be no interaction

XRevan86

CrystalMath: It's not just disagreeing, I think that ye live in an imaginary world where everything is possible.

immibis

CrystalMath: but that means you can't walk in my line of sight unless I agree to it

techrights-bot/fn

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CrystalMath

immibis: and you can't look at me unless i agree with it, by that logic

MinceR

immibis: if you want to have limited liability, you're going to have shares. i think limited liability is a good idea.

CrystalMath

but that's not what i mean

immibis

CrystalMath: correct. unless you start redefining words like "interaction" and "voluntary", which is what most libertarians seem to actually do

XRevan86

schestowitz: If this is regarding #techrights on Libera, I don't think about it right now. If this is about the established channels, being on Libera is of great value to anyone who seeks answers to qeustions about free software.

CrystalMath

i think liberal.crap is the worst network, run by anti-RMS SJWs, and should be avoided at all costs

activelow

it isn't "intellectual properties", it is author's rights, with the surrounding legal framework including patents, licensing, yet too social security and labor market regulations (or none thereof)

CrystalMath

activelow: right, that name is stupid

immibis

MinceR: there's no reason the ownership of the shares has to be decided the way it currently is, i.e. with voluntary trading starting from the original founder of the company. We could just as well say that workers have shares, which is something like what the socialists want, for example

XRevan86

I guess RMS is stupid, right? Because he chose to back that network.

MinceR

immibis: yes, and cooperatives already exist

MinceR

XRevan86: maybe he gets off on being cancelled

CrystalMath

XRevan86: he said "for now" and that it's relatively better

XRevan86

I like how these pro-RMS people don't give a damn about RMS.

activelow

maybe not CrystalMath, yet "intellectual property" is deflecting from the issue at hand: which is author's rights

MinceR

XRevan86: and that's fine. we've survived without the FSF before and we'll survive once the FSF nukes itself.

immibis

authors have no rights, only capitalists do, they get the rights to the work you produce because they pay your salary

XRevan86

CrystalMath: This already means that freenode is something he wants no part of.

CrystalMath

activelow: no i mean the term "intellectual property" is stupid

techrights-bot/fn

#Qualcomm "HEY HI" Engine.... more meaningless #marketing and hype. I remember when the term meant ML, not just nebulous buzzwords thrown at everything.

immibis

and the rights can be traded. Which makes them property.

immibis

MinceR: so are shares property?

MinceR

not sure

CrystalMath

XRevan86: i'm aware of that, but freenode has no bearing on libera whatsoever, and doesn't excuse their SJW actions even one bit

MinceR

ask a jurist

XRevan86

> run by anti-RMS SJWs

activelow

at least humans cannot be traded, that's illegal, slavery. explain this to EU

XRevan86

Just don't mention RMS when supporting freenode, okay?

CrystalMath

yes, 4 of their staff signed a letter against RMS

CrystalMath

that's a new record for IRC networks

XRevan86

CrystalMath: RMS is willing to give Libera a chance, freenode doesn't deserve that.

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CrystalMath

number of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 1, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ...

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MinceR

CrystalMath: i'm pretty sure oftc has more

CrystalMath

i counted one

XRevan86

freenode staffers have other methods towards the people they disagree with.

https://www.oftc.net/staff/

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oftc.net | OFTC - Staff

XRevan86

letters… they're just too formal

immibis

MinceR: a jurist would say yes. A jurist would also say copyright ssis property

immibis

copyrights are*

immibis

and patents and trademarks

CrystalMath

oh hmm

MinceR

immibis: strange, i thought jurists did work for some free software organizations

techrights-bot/fn

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CrystalMath

so it's 3

CrystalMath

number of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 3, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ...

MinceR

i'd say a limited liability company is property, and partial ownership of that is a share

immibis

MinceR: even those ones would say the same thing, because you are asking them to tell you the truth, not what you want to hear

MinceR

riiiight

CrystalMath

OFTC is a scourge, as well, i will reconsider my account there

MinceR

immibis' preferences are "The Truth"

immibis

MinceR: current laws are the truth about current laws.

Jun 22 17:34

immibis

MinceR: i can't just say that I prefer murder to be legal, therefore murder is legal, which is what you're saying.

Jun 22 17:34

immibis

(except you're saying it about theft)

Jun 22 17:34

immibis

you can say it *shouldn't* be considered as property, but to say that it's *not* is incorrect

MinceR

immibis: you do realize that 1) laws can be changed and 2) laws can be morally wrong, right?

MinceR

immibis: also, maybe you can explain to me how making a copy of some information is theft

schestowitz

many work worked for freenode also work for OFTC

schestowitz

and they ban the same people

schestowitz

people who rallied in support of RMS, too

schestowitz

sometimes they would ban such people in both networks simultaneously

*XRevan86 heard some stories of unprofessional bans from the OFTC staff.

schestowitz

the cliques overlap

XRevan86

Don't know how that holds ground or how significant.

immibis

MinceR: I realize both of those, and you are incorrect to say that the law you would *like* to have, is the current law

*immibis heard some stories of unprofessional bans from the TR staff.

schestowitz

I see OFTC as a sub-brand of those who ran freenode and now run LC

schestowitz

a branch

XRevan86

immibis: I know there is one such upset person.

schestowitz

like companies that sell under another name

schestowitz

Coka/Fanta

XRevan86

I don't know why he didn't join this server.

schestowitz

*Cocaine/Coke

XRevan86

schestowitz: There is definitely some cross-pollination.

activelow

club-mate is the legit brand

CrystalMath

MinceR: correction, it's 4 for OFTC

CrystalMath

so 4 for OFTC, 4 for liberia

schestowitz

see?

MinceR

immibis: maybe you can explain to me how making a copy of some information is theft?

schestowitz

same problem

XRevan86

schestowitz: But if this had been 100% correct, there would've been no Libera.

CrystalMath

number of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 4, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ...

schestowitz

maybe in the future it will ever be more than 4

schestowitz

irc.techrights.org: 0

schestowitz

as of yesterday

CrystalMath

yeah :P

CrystalMath

it had 1

MinceR

schestowitz

now my worry about LC is this:

schestowitz

person x used to be in freenode

schestowitz

realises freenode is a toilet tissue

schestowitz

moved to LC

schestowitz

joins techrights because the client is set up this way

schestowitz

misled into thinking some people who I don't know are us.... and can incite against us

schestowitz

using our own name, which can be misleading

XRevan86

schestowitz: That's a valid point. Register the channels then.

schestowitz

like buying a car that's mislabeled and harming the brand of the real thing

XRevan86

My work done for me :)

schestowitz

XRevan86: registering it would give the wrong impression

XRevan86

schestowitz: Write "main channel on irc.techrights.org" in the topic then.

schestowitz

I will use a web-based thing to watch it for a day and see if anything at all happens there

XRevan86

We discussed this a month ago, we even agreed to a plan that MinceR would hold the registration. And then it just went to "nah"

schestowitz

adding a bridge would encourage people to stay there and even join there

schestowitz

so like I said, a one-way bridge, from there to here, would have been better

XRevan86

schestowitz: Doesn't sound as bad as people joining freenode.

schestowitz

XRevan86: lol

schestowitz

who are those fictonal beings?

schestowitz

nobody joins

schestowitz

some stay

XRevan86

schestowitz: That was accepted even before freenode died.

schestowitz

but I very strongly doubt someone reads news and social control media and thinks, YES!! This is the network i want to JOIN!

MinceR

the one way bridge sounds like a bad idea, regardless of direction

CrystalMath

actually schestowitz

CrystalMath

i can maybe ask libera staff to just change the topic

schestowitz

that might help

CrystalMath

without techrights having to own channels on that putrid network

XRevan86

Darn it, I wanted to quote The Twelve Chairs, but I don't know the quote in English.

immibis

MinceR: i meant to say property, not theft

CrystalMath

schestowitz: i'm on somewhat friendly terms with some libera staff actually, who aren't signers of the disgusting petition

XRevan86

help me out, Wikiquote

MinceR

22 183440 < immibis> (except you're saying it about theft)

CrystalMath

schestowitz: but i don't connect to liberia to talk to them, rather, they're on hackint

Jun 22 17:44

CrystalMath

(as normal users)

Jun 22 17:44

MinceR

funny how contradicting official MAFIAA party lines is described as wishful thinking, even though they are the ones lying about the law

Jun 22 17:44

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Can't let the SJWs have this

Jun 22 17:45

XRevan86

I really don't understand what the problem is.

Jun 22 17:45

immibis

[18:43:40] <immibis> MinceR: i meant to say property, not theft

techrights-bot/fn

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MinceR

immibis: oh, so what you meant was "i can't just say that I prefer property to be legal, therefore property is legal, which is what you're saying."

schestowitz

XRevan86: here's one way to put it

schestowitz

on the internet, we have DNS

MinceR

i can't figure that out, sorry

schestowitz

IRC uses DNS

schestowitz

but IRC also has its own namespace

schestowitz

#[+1]

schestowitz

in terms of DNS, we're in control here

XRevan86

schestowitz: I get the control thing.

schestowitz

but in namespaces spread across different networks we are not

XRevan86

schestowitz: I don't get the "the SJW and Big FOSS will eat you there"

schestowitz

the goal should be to put channels in the DNS system

schestowitz

or IPNS for IPFS

schestowitz

because then people can be in more directly control

schestowitz

IRC was designed before the WWW was a think

MinceR

DNS isn't such a great idea

immibis

MinceR: you can't just say that you prefer shares to not be property, therefore they aren't

schestowitz

it would suck if people's sites were all like SITE.blogspot.com (Google)

XRevan86

schestowitz: And exactly because Libera supersedes freenode, there are aforementioned implications.

schestowitz

XRevan86: I don't know what SJW even means

schestowitz

I know one person who calls himself that

MinceR

immibis: not a question of preference. rather, whether they behave like property. but i think they do -- copying shares is meaningless, so they are scarce

immibis

it means anyone to the left of hitler

MinceR

immibis: and so it makes sense to ask who owns a particular share

XRevan86

schestowitz: CrystalMath says all kinds of things he doesn't know what they mean.

schestowitz

MinceR: agreed. [08:33] <techrights-bot/fn> The war on #dns is no longer motivated by #nationalSecurity pretexts but protection of BUSINESS interests, including unjust #monopolies ... in #ipfs we have #ipns to help replace and obviate away DNS. Let's do it! Does that support crime? No! In China you get in trouble just for wanting an election.

immibis

MinceR: trademark registrations are also like this, patent registrations, copyright registrations (implicit or explicit)

schestowitz

[08:31] <techrights-bot/fn> ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver #Quad9 (Updated) https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 (Updated) * TorrentFreak

schestowitz

and that's just from yesterday

MinceR

immibis: and yet copyright, trademark and patent are distinct from each other

MinceR

immibis: and content and programs can be copied at a very low cost

immibis

MinceR: I didn't say programs. I said copyright registrations.

MinceR

immibis: so, according to the law, there is no "Intellectual Property"

XRevan86

schestowitz: From what I've seen so far, CrystalMath just loves finding enemies of good.

MinceR

immibis: and according to reality, copying is not theft

immibis

MinceR: I didn't say programs. I said copyright registrations.

schestowitz

they rarely need to be registered

immibis

copying a copyright registration is also meaningless because the office knows it's a fake because they have the original to compare it to

schestowitz

and hence they're cheap and attractive

immibis

schestowitz: hence (implicit or explicit). Copyright acts like you registered it, even if you didn't, but you might find it harder to prove in that case

XRevan86

So I'll continue mocking him, that's my defence reaction against categorical thinking.

schestowitz

it's the enforcement that can be costly and time-consuming

schestowitz

usually copyright sorts itself out with gentlemen's agreement

schestowitz

no lawsuits, no settlements with money

schestowitz

with patents and a physical product compliance costs are a lot higher

schestowitz

so some people just say, get rid of all patents, completely. Some also suggest alternative systems.

Jun 22 17:53

MinceR

i agree with getting rid of all patents completely

schestowitz

FWIT, that one letter about FSF and RMS isn't a litmus test for "SJW" -- whatever that us

MinceR

it has been a shitshow for quite some time

schestowitz

maybe a lot of people signed it based on lies they saw online, like http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights

MinceR

people should not sign anything based on hearsay

MinceR

if they do, that's on them

http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/

schestowitz

I saw some article connected to 'Linux' (destroying) foundation still using this in the heading

Jun 22 17:55

schestowitz

never bothered correcting it

Jun 22 17:55

schestowitz

Jun 22 17:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights

Jun 22 17:56

schestowitz

"My hair is now orange and pink." https://github.com/mollydb

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) · GitHub

schestowitz

schestowitz

good

schestowitz

my hait was blond

schestowitz

now it's brown

schestowitz

now i will add it to my bio

XRevan86

schestowitz: The reason why it's so hard to just convince me is because I don't have a strong opinion about this, I see routes and possibilities how this can work out. There are pros and there are cons.

schestowitz

maintenance is a con

CrystalMath

schestowitz: an SJW (social justice warrior) is a person who abuses the concept of social justice to dominate people with authoritarianism and control

schestowitz

I lost about 10 hours last week on FN

XRevan86

schestowitz: Maintaining compatibility with older connections is a pro

MinceR

for some people, brains are more important than hair; for other people, it's the other way around

MinceR

bully de blanc has to make to with hair

schestowitz

people gradually lose hair

CrystalMath

Bully de Blanc, nice

CrystalMath

that's her real name

XRevan86

schestowitz: Letting people participate without the need for joining a special network is a pro

CrystalMath

i mean her REAL name

schestowitz

it usually takes longer to lose a lot more brain cells that are recovered

MinceR

there are some networks that are not short bus special :>

MinceR

including this one :>

CrystalMath

XRevan86: "finding enemies of good" sounds like cancel culture

XRevan86

The existing audience there is neither, participation is cultivated.

schestowitz

XRevan86: if they cared enough, they would join

CrystalMath

exactly, i think irc.techrights.org is the best home for techrights

schestowitz

many there that I saw earlier (for the first time) are mostly idlers

XRevan86

schestowitz: Unless that's a problem somehow.

CrystalMath

and we have a freenode bridge for people who still want that

schestowitz

some I never even saw before

CrystalMath

there's like 60 people there

CrystalMath

on the freenode side

schestowitz

and i know them better

schestowitz

and trust them

schestowitz

here's a thing

schestowitz

hang on, will log in with webchat

XRevan86

> "finding enemies of good" sounds like cancel culture

Jun 22 18:03

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Categorical thinking is like that, isn't it.

Jun 22 18:03

schestowitz

the following people I never saw, ever, and they choose to enter an UNofficial channels in a NEW network. WHY?

Jun 22 18:03

schestowitz

bleb, brabo, cbrtrnx, dy, derikson

schestowitz

who are they?

schestowitz

so a new network was set up and they connect to it and enter an unofficial channel they never went on in freenode?

schestowitz

I only named A-D

schestowitz

there are more

schestowitz

those people are unknown to me

schestowitz

and they make up like half the channel

schestowitz

in a NEW network

XRevan86

schestowitz: One possibility is that they found techrights to be interesting and joined the channel on the default network to lurk

MinceR

they choose their defaults poorly

schestowitz

and then saw it's

schestowitz

1) dead

schestowitz

2) unofficial

XRevan86

schestowitz: A lot of channels are on Libera and freenode right now.

schestowitz

and maybe even went to the site and realised they came to the wrong place, as there are two official ones and this isn't one of them

XRevan86

schestowitz: Like try joining #mate

Jun 22 18:06

schestowitz

sorry, mate, cannot

Jun 22 18:06

XRevan86

schestowitz: MATE hasn't gotten around to registering yet. So the official channels looks a lot like #techrights

Jun 22 18:06

XRevan86

and they aren't even announced yet either

schestowitz

MATE might not be happy about it

schestowitz

but then again MATE might be a support, not dev, channel

schestowitz

in which case they might say, let people support other people

XRevan86

schestowitz: The person responsible is just busy with other things right now.

XRevan86

there aren't registered channels for the project *anywhere*

XRevan86

non-existent

techrights-bot/fn

Live Updates: U.S. Prepares New Sanctions on #Russia For #Navalny Poisoning https://www.barrons.com/articles/live-updates-51624216054 because the US never assassinated anyone, not even SUCCESSFULLY ;-)

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.barrons.com | Live Updates: U.S. Prepares New Sanctions on Russia For Navalny Poisoning | Barron's

XRevan86

schestowitz: There is a dev channel too. It's the whole namespace.

Jun 22 18:10

techrights-bot/fn

This overlooks the fact that a very high proportion of patents granted by today's #EPO are invalid and not in compliance with the #EPC ; hardly a cause for celebration https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biocardia-announces-european-patent-office-120000038.html

Jun 22 18:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | BioCardia Announces European Patent Office Decision to Grant Patent on Autologous Cell Therapy Patient Selection Diagnostic Assay

Jun 22 18:10

schestowitz

XRevan86: it's different when users of something help other users

schestowitz

devs probably don't want a support channel for themselves

schestowitz

they're rather user forums where they can reuse answers by linking

XRevan86

I continue maintaining the bridge as the to be official channels and the channels named on the website continue to differ.

XRevan86

schestowitz: No, it's used.

schestowitz

and if there is an official channel with opinions and plans, not every random user of the software belongs there, they can even be trolled

schestowitz

XRevan86: ah, ok

schestowitz

MATE is interesting

schestowitz

does it address the systemd trap?

activelow

XRevan86

schestowitz: Anyway, not the point. The point is that the official channels still look pathetic right now.

activelow

besides the real issue is dbus

schestowitz

I was gonna say dbus

schestowitz

or redhat

schestowitz

which is now ibm

MinceR

dbugs is _another_ real issue :>

schestowitz

the lock-in inherited by a company MORE notorious for vendor lockin and patent aggression

activelow

kde too is burned, although it is possible with some hacks to retain gtk and qt

schestowitz

kde can work without systemd

MinceR

the last good version of kde survives as trinity de

schestowitz

but only gentoo does it, iirc

activelow

it can't without dbus

MinceR

and it has dcop

schestowitz

ioslaves

XRevan86

schestowitz: It supports elogind.

schestowitz

did they rename these?

MinceR

which, unlike dbugs, actually works reliably

MinceR

and doesn't require you to write a domain name 3 times, in 2 formats, to address something

activelow

kde3 (trinity project) can be patched, which i did, but i dropped kde3 too since it was simply too much effort, meanwhile the developer did continue with the gentoo tree for it

Jun 22 18:15

XRevan86

schestowitz: And ConsoleKit2

Jun 22 18:15

activelow

with qt6 and gtk4 i fear for the worst, since it doubles maintenance effort again

Jun 22 18:15

techrights-bot/fn

When the #litigation profiteers fund the publications and the so-called 'news' sites it hardly surprises anyone that everything is seen in the framing of litigation and the talking points come from echo chambers https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sbchnvvjsrl0/from-the-us-to-europe-how-counsel-manage-global-litigation

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | From the US to Europe: how counsel manage global litigation | Managing Intellectual Property

activelow

furthermore it is widget toolkits to separate from the graphical desktop environment, the latter is of less concern, openbox/i3/fvwm are OK

XRevan86

activelow: It's not as bad as with GTK 2 → GTK 3

XRevan86

but there are annoying pitfalls

activelow

and it is the widget toolkits (not the graphical desktop) which lock into various relevant packages then a user expects: libreoffice, browsers, gimp, almost everything

Jun 22 18:17

XRevan86

The last CVE about mate-screenshot was my code updating a challenging deprecated API using bit of code there.

Jun 22 18:17

XRevan86

jwz mentioned it, I feel famous.

MinceR

techrights-bot/fn

Instead of obeying high courts they try to work around the courts and around the law, at least until they get their lobbyists and bribed politicians to pass the next round/s of legislation to protect the rich and abolish courts' decisions (or people's interest) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sbblbdb1sqr5/brazil-counsel-embrace-creative-enforcement-after-sc-ruling

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Brazil counsel embrace creative enforcement after SC ruling | Managing Intellectual Property

activelow

i am not joking when saying i am perparing for some even more radical fork and kick gcc, c++ and everything which depends on it

XRevan86

It was a bit of a mindfsck, I published it a year after I made it to work.

Jun 22 18:19

XRevan86

still couldn't account for all the cases, obviously

Jun 22 18:19

techrights-bot/fn

Publications funded by litigation giants never quote actual folks or ordinary people (they pretend they don't know anything, need corporate lawyers as 'nannies'), or most stakeholders with a stake in outcomes; instead they quote corporations or people looking to profit from litigation, change the law etc.

Jun 22 18:20

XRevan86

But it's done now, mate-screensaver uses GdkSeat and as such the most important piece of its coding is ready for GTK 4

Jun 22 18:21

techrights-bot/fn

More #fakepatents from the #EPO ; in this case, #TeamUPC and proponents of #softwarepatents (litigation profiteers, they don't code anything) comment on this #kangaroocourt https://www.mondaq.com/germany/patent/1080896/ensuring-data-integrity-facilitating-centralized-control-of-logistics-plants-and-improving-data-exchange-to-other-logistics-plants-non-technical

Jun 22 18:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Ensuring Data Integrity, Facilitating Centralized Control Of Logistics Plants And Improving Data Exchange To Other Logistics Plants: Non-technical - Intellectual Property - Germany

Jun 22 18:22

XRevan86

And the CVE got prominent only because Ubuntu 16.04 refused to fix it. So not all my fault.

Jun 22 18:23

techrights-bot/fn

This promotes the lie or propaganda of "Intellectual Property", conflating actual laws with something that they're not https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1078336/how-do-i-protect-my-business-idea-our-step-by-step-guide

Jun 22 18:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | How Do I Protect My Business Idea – Our Step By Step Guide - Intellectual Property - UK

Jun 22 18:24

techrights-bot/fn

Instead of solving coronavirus pandemic we're granting #monopolies https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/duke-nus-and-genscript-announce-notice-of-allowance-for-u-s-patent-application-for-sars-cov-2-surrogate-virus-neutralization-test/ #uspto #patents

Jun 22 18:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Duke-NUS and GenScript Announce Notice of Allowance for U.S. Patent Application for SARS-CoV-2 Surrogate Virus Neutralization Test | BioSpace

Jun 22 18:25

XRevan86

They had time from Jan 2017 to fix it, and instead 16.04 just went EOL with the CVE unfixed.

Jun 22 18:26

XRevan86

The CVE was even published as such to make Ubuntu fix it.

Jun 22 18:26

XRevan86

didn't work

Jun 22 18:26

techrights-bot/fn

#coronavirus <3 #patents because #patent #monopolies help it spread further and faster. The business model is, let it spread further, we'll have more CLIENTS. And stopping it by abundance of solutions is no longer the real objective. Not from a fiscal perspective.

Jun 22 18:27

XRevan86

There wouldn't've been a reason otherwise, as in a matter of weeks there wasn't a single instance of the bug present in the wild. Except for Ubuntu.

Jun 22 18:27

XRevan86

Ariadne laughed at RHEL for not patching through, well, I have a reason to laugh at Ubuntu :)

Jun 22 18:28

techrights-bot/fn

The #corporateMedia says "vaccine nationalism" to hide the reality of actual #nationalism and #racism ... as if to say, don't get angry at the patents. #patent #monopoly isn't bad... it's just that awful "vaccine nationalism"... fight RACISM, not patents

Jun 22 18:29

activelow

PAM removed, sudo removed, dbus removed, not sure how much trouble this spared me already

Jun 22 18:29

activelow

years before CVEs were announced

Jun 22 18:29

activelow

tried to lobby a little for my ideas, so far no success

Jun 22 18:30

techrights-bot/fn

Today's #covid19 numbers in the #uk are out. 44.4% increase in deaths in one week (27 dead today)! 34.8% increase in cases (in one week!). And our lunatic Pry Minister, helped by media like #billBC , wants us to think this thing is over, for political reasons alone. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/

Jun 22 18:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)

Jun 22 18:32

techrights-bot/fn

"June 21, 2021. Added a link to an article by renown author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie in which she explains how she was shunned on Twitter by her own friend." #rms #gnu #twitter #socialcontrolmedia #cancelCulture https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html

Jun 22 18:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Updates

Jun 22 18:33

schestowitz

just checked again and freenode still blocks me

schestowitz

from my main/sole client that I use

schestowitz

so I cannot access my own channel

schestowitz

brave freenode! well done, lads

schestowitz

second this in a week

schestowitz

last time I managed to alter DNS a bit to get back in after a day of trying

Jun 22 18:37

XRevan86

Ye mean, join a specific host?

Jun 22 18:37

immibis

clearly you are too libertarian for them

techrights-bot/fn

#GitLab 14 signals shift to modern DevOps: A DevOps platform with velocity, trust, and visibility | GitLab ⚓ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/06/22/gitlab-14-modern-devops/ ䷉ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.gitlab.com | GitLab 14 signals shift to modern DevOps: A DevOps platform with velocity, trust, and visibility | GitLab

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

XRevan86

immibis: Usonians have a different meaning of that word.

techrights-bot/fn

#deletefacebook and stop uploading pictures to it? Anyone who appears inside photos uploaded to #Facebook is being subjected to abuse (even those who do not have a #fb account) https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-facebook-pictures-not-loading/

Jun 22 18:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Facebook Pictures Not Loading? Here are the Fixes - Make Tech Easier

Jun 22 18:40

immibis

right. clearly you are too unauthoritarian for them

Jun 22 18:41

immibis

ironically that is also the meaning I usually mean

Jun 22 18:41

immibis

the US one

Jun 22 18:41

XRevan86

immibis: I like how the Russian Libertarian Party is a hot melting pot of both.

Jun 22 18:42

XRevan86

I guess if stalinists and social democrats can live under one roof, then so can they :)

Jun 22 18:42

techrights-bot/fn

For the second time in a week I cannot even log into #freenode using my #irc client. Their system is obviously misclassifying legitimate users. And I was told I'm not alone. It's a widespread technical problem. THIS IS BASICS. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Jun 22 18:44

techrights-bot/fn

New: "It Is Obscene: A True Reflection In Three Parts The practice of shunning people on antisocial media has reached a point that violates the most basic human decency. Resorting to falsehood and slander to achieve the defamer's own goals has become the norm." https://stallmansupport.org/articles-in-support-of-richard-stallman.html#chimamanda

Jun 22 18:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Articles in Support of Richard Stallman

Jun 22 18:45

XRevan86

The pains of needing a network that is just a few weeks old.

Jun 22 18:45

techrights-bot/fn

Renown author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie calls it “obscene;” we add, it's perverse. Telling us her own painful experience, Chimamanda writes: "In this age of social media, where a story travels the world in minutes, silence sometimes means that other people can hijack your story and soon, their false version becomes the defining story about you." https://stallmansupport.org/articles <clipped message>

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://stallmansupport.org/articles )

techrights-bot/fn

-in-support-of-richard-stallman.html#ch

XRevan86

Did matterbridge just clip a link in half?

MinceR

yes

techrights-bot/fn

"Apparently you can meet ‘mates’ down the pub but cannot see a public official to get important work done! Worse yet, those public officials don’t even respond to you. They don’t speak to you and there’s nobody to talk to. Not even in E-mail or over the phone" http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)

XRevan86

The link was clearly already clipped, hah.

Jun 22 18:47

XRevan86

unless it really did end with "#ch"

Jun 22 18:48

XRevan86

Which I doubt.

Jun 22 18:48

techrights-bot/fn

Our #tories "leaders are nihilistic (what sane person says “bodies [can] pile up high”?), far worse than incompetent and more sinister than merely misinformed." #uk #covid19 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/

Jun 22 18:49

XRevan86

schestowitz: Speaking of, it can bridge Mumble too.

Jun 22 18:50

XRevan86

Mumble is not exactly good for text, but just FYI.

Jun 22 18:50

schestowitz

we use mumble

schestowitz

but only to record techbytes

schestowitz

and it's always just verbal

XRevan86

Makes sense.

schestowitz

XRevan86: freenode denies access by two of my laptops

Jun 22 18:53

schestowitz

both konversation

Jun 22 18:53

schestowitz

but I don't know if the agent is visible to them

schestowitz

I think that in itself is another blunder

XRevan86

schestowitz: If people use #techbytes to ask questions, that can be transmitted to Mumble and back.

schestowitz

CrystalMath said others were experiencing similar issues

schestowitz

but not many users remain there to report ita

schestowitz

and obv. if they can't get it their voice would be 'suppressed'

CrystalMath

schestowitz: err, no, my friends can connect

CrystalMath

but when they join a channel

CrystalMath

their proprietary old client crashes

CrystalMath

same for LunarIRC

XRevan86

proprietary old client? IRC.com?

schestowitz

so they use efnet

schestowitz

CrystalMath

yes

schestowitz

great stuff

CrystalMath

it segfaults because InspIRCD puts a : in front of the channel time

schestowitz

move fast, everything breaks

CrystalMath

which crashes IceChat 7

CrystalMath

apparently it does some blind ascii-to-integer stuff

CrystalMath

and if there's a non-digit in there, it gets a NULL

CrystalMath

and then dereferences NULL

schestowitz

the pace breakage is going, maybe freenode will be mothballed by year's end

CrystalMath

eh, it's not just freenode breakage

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Looks like a dead client.

CrystalMath

LunarIRC has that problem

schestowitz

iirc, the first blunder was taking over 700 channels

schestowitz

and not even apologising for it

CrystalMath

XRevan86: it is! but he won't change it

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Who won't?

CrystalMath

my friend

schestowitz

and it just went downhill from there

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Well, silly person :)

CrystalMath

i mean most of my friends like to run XP

CrystalMath

and always 32-bit

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Doesn't mIRC run or something?

CrystalMath

it does but he wants IceChat 7

XRevan86

why does it have to be some crap on C#

CrystalMath

no version 7 wasn't .NET

CrystalMath

version 8+ is

XRevan86

I see.

CrystalMath

version 7 is also proprietary, unlike the open source version 9

CrystalMath

but we're coding up a gateway

CrystalMath

it's also integrated with my other friend's MyBridge

CrystalMath

so they will see bridged users as if they were there :)

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XRevan86

CrystalMath: Good luck hitting the limit of maximum simultaneous connections.

CrystalMath

XRevan86: that was the bridge that held ##sqlite until he got K-lined from liberia

CrystalMath

oh no the gateway is intended to run at home

CrystalMath

it uses PRIVMSG to talk to MyBridge

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Ah, before I brought my bridge there?

CrystalMath

yes

techrights-bot/fn

#litigation #extortion and #blackmail industry now hijacks civil rights causes. As usual. Will those who are hijacked for #reputationLaundering purposes (the army does the same by the way) react? Or play alone? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sd228t5fbjp1/pride-month-why-intersectionality-is-key-for-lgbtq-lawyers

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Pride month: why intersectionality is key for LGBTQ lawyers | Managing Intellectual Property

XRevan86

CrystalMath: I see the talks about getting RELAYMSG into freenode went nowhere?

CrystalMath

it's highly unlikely that MyBridge would get enough privileges for that

CrystalMath

and i mean... it's a mIRC script

Jun 22 19:02

CrystalMath

on an old vulnerable version of mIRC :P

Jun 22 19:02

XRevan86

techrights can benefit from that, but it won't even be given that

Jun 22 19:02

XRevan86

Of course the caring about how things are out there has significantly been reduced, and it wasn't a lot before either %)

Jun 22 19:04

schestowitz

benefit from what bridge?

Jun 22 19:05

CrystalMath

schestowitz: freenode RELAYMSG support

Jun 22 19:05

techrights-bot/fn

Number of NEW #covid19 cases in the #uk highest since 16th of February, i.e. more than 4 months. Our Pry Minister: BACK TO NORMAL NEXT MONTH! Chronic sociopath, charlatan, and blood-thirsty liar. Ignore everything he says. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2020/12/12/tech-versus-human-rights/

Jun 22 19:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » COVID May Have Caused (or Helped) the UK Home Office and Manchester Town Hall to Violate Basic Laws or Fundamental Human Rights

Jun 22 19:08

XRevan86

We're discussing how that's not a thing.

Jun 22 19:09

techrights-bot/fn

About 100,000 'grandpas' and 'grandmas' in the #uk died with #covid19 and our sick-minded Pry Minister speaks of these people like they're corpses ("let the bodies pile up high", the language of MASS GRAVES). Why would ANYBODY still listen to anything he says? Why does the media repeat his words? http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2020/12/12/tech-versus-human-rights/

Jun 22 19:11

techrights-bot/fn

We need a media that does NOT play the "bill says" and "boris says" game http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/bill-says/

Jun 22 19:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Bill, What’s Your Opinion? | Techrights

Jun 22 19:12

techrights-bot/fn

6 steps to reduce SRE toil ⚓ https://searchitoperations.techtarget.com/tip/6-steps-to-reduce-SRE-toil ䷉ #searchitoperations | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 19:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchitoperations.techtarget.com | 6 steps to reduce SRE toil

Jun 22 19:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

Jun 22 19:16

techrights-bot/fn

#Google is just mimicking #GNU / #Linux ('proper'), poorly. Just wipe #ChromeOS and install a real distro. It would do far more than the malicious OS made by (and for) Gulag. https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/21/chromeos-is-getting-an-old-school-feature-to-make-you-even-more-productive/

Jun 22 19:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Chrome OS is getting old-school cool with an upcoming productivity feature

Jun 22 19:18

techrights-bot/fn

"This Raspberry Pi–powered replica runs all the original PDP-8 software with enough cycles left to double as a media server" https://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/put-the-classic-pdp8-minicomputer-on-your-shelf ䷉ #ieee #spectrum | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 19:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org | Full Page Reload

Jun 22 19:19

techrights-bot/fn

#Nvidia Jetson chips make IoT devices vulnerable to attack | IT PRO ⚓ https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/vulnerability/359961/nvidia-jetson-chips-make-iot-devices-vulnerable-to-attack ䷉ #itpro | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 19:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Nvidia Jetson chips make IoT devices vulnerable to attack | IT PRO

Jun 22 19:22

techrights-bot/fn

"Goerzen’s written books about programming and operating systems and he’s developed multiple programs as Free Software. He’s been a volunteer developer for the #Debian GNU/Linux operating system since the late 1990s." https://thesunflower.com/56727/news/a-higher-purpose-alumnus-john-goerzen-uses-personal-plane-to-help-others/

Jun 22 19:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thesunflower.com | A higher purpose: Alumnus John Goerzen uses personal plane to help others – The Sunflower

Jun 22 19:24

techrights-bot/fn

"foundation on the #OpenZFS file system and the open source Linux-based #Debian operating system. To handle data management and storage, for example, the team used #ZFS -based file stores running on Debian-run servers with replication between sites." https://www.itprotoday.com/high-speed-storage/digital-forensics-company-modernizes-data-management

Jun 22 19:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Digital Forensics Company ellwood Evidence Modernizes Data Management | IT Pro

Jun 22 19:26

techrights-bot/fn

TIL #BSD is also Banking Supervision Departments (BSD) in #Pakistan https://www.brecorder.com/news/40101916/risk-based-supervisory-framework-restructuring-of-bsd-announced

Jun 22 19:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brecorder.com | Risk-based supervisory framework: Restructuring of BSD announced - Business Recorder

Jun 22 19:32

techrights-bot/fn

#blackduck still refusing to disclose holes in anything #microsoft will picking (now) on #Zephyr for a mere DoS flaw over #Bluetooth ... #synopsys as a Microsoft proxy: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck

Jun 22 19:33

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Jun 22 19:33

techrights-bot/fn

#blackduck still refusing to disclose holes in anything #microsoft while picking (now) on #Zephyr for a mere DoS flaw over #Bluetooth ... #synopsys as a Microsoft proxy: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck

Jun 22 19:34

techrights-bot/fn

"Welcome to the latest Register Debate in which writers discuss technology topics, and you – the reader – choose the winning argument. The format is simple: we propose a motion, the arguments for the motion will run this Monday and Wednesday, and the arguments against on Tuesday and Thursday." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/containers_vs_vm_for_mon/

Jun 22 19:35

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Jun 22 19:35

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Jun 22 19:35

KindOne/fn

XRevan86, a lot of people that join certain channels are out of the loop

techrights-bot/fn

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XRevan86

KindOne: Indeed they are. cc: schestowitz

techrights-bot/fn

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techrights-bot/fn

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

XRevan86

Meanwhile, today members of Pussy Riot got caught and detained all with different pretexes.

*verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights

XRevan86

there are rumours that Mediazona is going to be deemed a "foreign agent", maybe there's a connection

schestowitz

KindOne which channels? I don't quite follow...

schestowitz

KindOne if you mean people who 'accidentally' access #techrights in LC, then maybe we can post a reminder that they're in the wrong channel

Jun 22 19:40

schestowitz

or wrong network

Jun 22 19:40

XRevan86

The best way to do that is to register the channels %)

schestowitz

schestowitz

and just to divert people elsewhere?

*XRevan86 enjoys the logical loop.

schestowitz

seems like a 'dick move'

Jun 22 19:42

XRevan86

If it's not registered, the topic might just get wiped one way.

Jun 22 19:42

techrights-bot/fn

#Slimbook Executive lightweight Linux laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152515#comment-30019

Jun 22 19:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slimbook Executive: Lightweight Linux Ultrabook with Top-Tier Screen | Tux Machines

Jun 22 19:43

techrights-bot/fn

Rocky Linux 8.4 is officially available to replace your CentOS deployments http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30020

Jun 22 19:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines

Jun 22 19:44

XRevan86

one day

Jun 22 19:44

schestowitz

that's OK

Jun 22 19:45

schestowitz

but invigorates all this is confusion

Jun 22 19:45

schestowitz

freenode turning into ashtray and for some people freenode turning into another domain name

schestowitz

and then they access the wrong things

XRevan86

some being the absolute majority

schestowitz

I could post daily reminders in FN and CN to tell people about this network

XRevan86

Not a bad idea, but it has pitfalls.

Jun 22 19:48

XRevan86

Namely, if voice is to be allowed, then they'll just be what ye say the channel on LC is right now.

Jun 22 19:51

techrights-bot/fn

It's noteworthy that even months down the line #googleNews still syndicates #plagiarism sites like #bollyinside and no matter if it gets reported to #google they don't seem to be actually staffed to handle it. This Gulag of a company just really doesn't care.

Jun 22 19:51

XRevan86

And if not, then the freenode ops will just take it over.

Jun 22 19:51

DaemonFC

The Freenode/Matrix bridge is still completely dead.

Jun 22 19:55

techrights-bot/fn

Ah, gawd... (link omitted) sites explaining to people how to run #wordpress from #wsl ... where does one begin to address how awfully dumb a thing that is to do? #wsl2 and other crap (with small 'g') never actually found a purpose. It's a miniscule niche. #microsoft ATTACK on GNU/Linux.

Jun 22 19:55

techrights-bot/fn

#Mozilla should just disable this by default, but #Firefox isn't about the users anymore https://itsfoss.com/disable-article-suggestions-firefox/ #www

Jun 22 19:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | Disable 'Recommended by Pocket' Articles Suggestion in Firefox

Jun 22 19:56

XRevan86

DaemonFC: I heard that Matrix.org wants to bring it up, so it's suspicious that they still haven't. The problem is probably not on their end.

Jun 22 19:57

techrights-bot/fn

"In this video, I am going to show how to install Oracle Linux 8.4." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3GTcdu6PSk better not give #oracle control though. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Oracle

Jun 22 19:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install Oracle Linux 8.4 - YouTube

Jun 22 19:58

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Jun 22 19:58

XRevan86

DaemonFC: Considering that even people with actual IRC clients have troubles connecting, something as big as Matrix.org is almost hopeless.

Jun 22 19:59

XRevan86

and as a part of Big FOSS… ooof

Jun 22 19:59

KindOne/fn

schestowitz, I'm helping migrate 17 channels with a combined total of 200 - 250 different people. So far I've managed to tell about 130 of them about moving.

Jun 22 19:59

XRevan86

KindOne: That's dedicated.

Jun 22 20:00

KindOne/fn

not really, just a script that matches their nick, ident, and gecos (via extended-join) and sends them a query.

Jun 22 20:04

schestowitz

I still cannot connect

Jun 22 20:05

KindOne/fn

You get some error message or what?

Jun 22 20:06

schestowitz

I'll see if I can contact some people. Something like: "Hi. It's Roy. I see you're in a channel that's not ours. We actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use)"

Jun 22 20:08

schestowitz

I tried with zoobab: "You must log in with services to message this user"

Jun 22 20:09

schestowitz

so they limit direct messages

Jun 22 20:09

DaemonFC

schestowitz, I disabled Pocket and Telemetry and Experiments and DoH and all sorts of things on Firefox.

Jun 22 20:09

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 22 20:10

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Jun 22 20:10

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techrights-bot/fn

#AMD releases #FidelityFX Super Resolution, source code dropping mid-July https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/amd-releases-fidelityfx-super-resolution-source-code-dropping-mid-july

Jun 22 20:17

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Jun 22 20:17

techrights-bot/fn

#NVIDIA Posts 470 #Linux Driver Beta With Better #Wayland Support, #DLSS + Improved PRIME - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Releases-DLSS-Linux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/nvidia-4704201-for-linux-adds-dlss-for-proton-xwayland-asynchronous-reprojection

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gustaf

schestowitz: Libera or Freenode?

techrights-bot/fn

#Nvidia #DLSS has arrived on #Linux – will this tempt gamers to switch from #vista10 h https://www.techradar.com/in/news/nvidia-dlss-has-arrived-on-linux-will-this-tempt-gamers-to-switch-from-windows-10

Jun 22 20:19

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Jun 22 20:19

techrights-bot/fn

Ricardo Garcia: VK_EXT_multi_draw released for #Vulkan https://rg3.name/202106210630.html #graphics #linux

Jun 22 20:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rg3.name | Geek Blight - VK_EXT_multi_draw released for Vulkan

Jun 22 20:20

schestowitz

I tried contacting zoobab over webchat of lc

Jun 22 20:21

schestowitz

cannot even send message

Jun 22 20:21

XRevan86

gustaf: freenode

Jun 22 20:21

schestowitz

freenode does not even let me connect lol

schestowitz

which only reaffirms my views about such networks

schestowitz

you're at the mercy of someone else

schestowitz

they z-lined a bunch of clients

*liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights

Jun 22 20:23

CrystalMath

schestowitz: you're z-lined?

Jun 22 20:26

CrystalMath

possibly too many connections

Jun 22 20:26

schestowitz

nothing that wasn't done before the new management

Jun 22 20:31

schestowitz

or before they canned the old systems

Jun 22 20:31

CrystalMath

the connection limit is reduced because of bot attacks

schestowitz

can you name some hostnames?

CrystalMath

it worked to stop the bots

schestowitz

so I can leap in directly past the load balanced/ha

schestowitz

*cer

schestowitz

I feel 'canceled'

CrystalMath

rinnegan.freenode.net

CrystalMath

capelle.freenode.net

schestowitz

[20:33] [Error] Connection to server rinnegan.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.

CrystalMath

want me to contact staff?

Jun 22 20:34

schestowitz

capelle.freenode.net worked ok again

Jun 22 20:34

schestowitz

I'm back in

Jun 22 20:34

CrystalMath

okay :)

schestowitz

you need to tell them people get locked out

CrystalMath

too many connections probably if you run the bots

schestowitz

and that it includes legit longtime users with username/password and all

CrystalMath

don't exceed 5 from the same IP under any circumstances

XRevan86

There are no longtime users on the new freenode :)

schestowitz

back to posting links now

CrystalMath

that's an instant Z-lined

CrystalMath

*Z-line

MinceR

XRevan86: there indeed are longtime users on freenode

schestowitz

XRevan86: touche

schestowitz

same for LC

KindOne/fn

feature suggestion: command so the bot does not relay crap: " ``` message to stay on this network "

XRevan86

MinceR: Check the registration date.

MinceR

XRevan86: registration date is irrelevant

KindOne/fn

... I don't know if the bot has that or not

XRevan86

MinceR: Sure :)

schestowitz

this article aged well http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights

schestowitz

predates all the mess

schestowitz

shows how Free software is being undermines through means of comms

KindOne/fn

I know a few bots that used registration dates to verify the nick of whoever is/was using commands

MinceR

i know of a few irc networks where you couldn't register a nick even if you wanted to

schestowitz

FN and LC divide some people along political lines

CrystalMath

schestowitz: tbh i now realize how rbraun was right all along about OFTC

KindOne/fn

im on EFnet

schestowitz

this was not a problem before

schestowitz

that's why I want neither side

KindOne/fn

At least the right wing nut cases are staying on freenode

schestowitz

CrystalMath: OFTC is the "Fanta" of "old Freenode" Coke staff

CrystalMath

KindOne: and the moonbats are on liberia

MinceR

lol

schestowitz

It's not freenode... yet it is

CrystalMath

well OFTC is considerably worse than the old freenode :P

MinceR

The Freenodeless Freenode

CrystalMath

not only does it have freaking Neil McGovern

CrystalMath

it also requires google captcha for registration

XRevan86

schestowitz: It only divides along political lines for the extremes.

CrystalMath

and doesn't support SASL

KindOne/fn

>moonbats

KindOne/fn

you simpleton

XRevan86

schestowitz: The "normies" are not divided.

CrystalMath

KindOne: you retard

KindOne/fn

oftc plans to have sasl support when they switch to solanum and atheme

schestowitz

lol

schestowitz

weird to lack that

MinceR

🍿

schestowitz

for a network that big

schestowitz

and they mock us for having 'only' a self-signed tls cert in tr

schestowitz

and now handing it over to ZemlinTrust(TM)

schestowitz

(LE)

schestowitz

technically techrights does suport https now

activelow

had implemented some self-made certificate fingerprint matching with irssi to avoid the hazzle with hostnames and cert validation

schestowitz

but Google et al (even Mozgool) are shouting and screaming

CrystalMath

irc.techrights.org has no problem with SASL

activelow

it is noteworthy some simple trusted certificate store isn't easily implemented

CrystalMath

but of course for a network run by Neil McGovern everything is a problem

CrystalMath

even a minimize button

schestowitz

CrystalMath: what colour is neil's hair?

schestowitz

more important than security

CrystalMath

i really don't know, i never bothered to look at a picture of him

schestowitz

i was joking because of his deputy (former )

schestowitz

does neil maintain any important project? I never checked..

CrystalMath

gnome

CrystalMath

oh wait

schestowitz

I only know him for his ant-RMS blog posts

CrystalMath

you said "important"

CrystalMath

nevermind

schestowitz

haha

KindOne/fn

At least oftc plans on keeping their services db when they upgrade

schestowitz

IBM recently gave more money to neil

schestowitz

KindOne that's a low bar to aim for

schestowitz

l0de corp. is easy competition

MinceR

low bar is where it's at for alleged "FLOSS" irc networks :>

schestowitz

BTW, ALLLLLLLL the links in techrights ever posted still work

KindOne/fn

resetting all nick and channel registration was without the most annoying thing

schestowitz

since 2006

schestowitz

inc. images, wiki etc.

schestowitz

same in schestowitz.com since 2002

schestowitz

some people just get all funky and decide to abolish old URLs

KindOne/fn

resetting all nick and channel registration was without a doubt the most annoying thing

schestowitz

like SPAMnil

schestowitz

muktware->themukt->linuxveda->tfir.io

schestowitz

he seems to think his problem is the domain name

schestowitz

and keeps changing it

schestowitz

there are more in between, but I forgot them

schestowitz

many news sites die this way

schestowitz

they break ALL the old URLs with a CMS change ('upgrade')

schestowitz

and then all their past work becomes shelved or impossible to index

KindOne/fn

wtf is l0de corp?

schestowitz

then traffic comes to zero and then shut down

schestowitz

seen that many times before..

schestowitz

KindOne the interview reference

schestowitz

after watching that interview I realised I had wasted time giving Lee the benefit of the doubt

schestowitz

I even got some email joking at me... for things I wrote about the new management a month ago

schestowitz

they deserves the laugh... at my expense

KindOne/fn

That was the best thing he has done to help move the sane people to other networks.

schestowitz

I was wrong about how it would turn out eventually... but was optimistic

schestowitz

KindOne the interview?

schestowitz

would not surprise me

schestowitz

the more people watch it, the quicker they'll run out of active channels

activelow

that's done already

activelow

i remain sceptical about LC

activelow

the nonsense story told it was only some christel who had known anything

schestowitz

activelow: try to promote self-hosting

schestowitz

in all contexts, not just irc

activelow

some staff recommending /msg nickserv drop

schestowitz

self-hosting is not expensive

schestowitz

and people learn skills in the process

activelow

that's ok, of cause

CrystalMath

i really didn't like l0de insulting christel

CrystalMath

she was the only sane staff member on pre-2021 freenode

CrystalMath

the only remaining one

schestowitz

I didn't watch it but saw people mention it in IRC

*psymin nods.

schestowitz

christel seemed very amicable

schestowitz

if he resorted to insulting based on looks, shame on him

schestowitz

and Lee didn't intervene to protect her?

CrystalMath

no, Lee ignored that

CrystalMath

just said "no" to it and then said normal stuff

CrystalMath

btu he didn't get angry at l0de for it

KindOne/fn

I have a transcript of it if you want to grep it.

schestowitz

he should not go on a show like this in the first place

CrystalMath

hopefully it's an accurate transcript

schestowitz

KindOne: I'd publush the whole thing, but...

schestowitz

bad language

schestowitz

publicity for toxic stuff

schestowitz

and it might enrage FN staff

schestowitz

even merely giving direct quotes

CrystalMath

i think Andrew Lee himself said nothing wrong

schestowitz

because even they probably recognise it's a very damaging exhibit

schestowitz

CrystalMath: he did

MinceR

he did say some extremely stupid things

CrystalMath

the part where he accidentally said africa is a country?

schestowitz

maybe because CrystalMath liked Trump

schestowitz

CrystalMath: accidentally?

KindOne/fn

Transcript: https://0bin.net/paste/lCIr+Tlr#k6n2gM9nhFnk59N8LelTxspHAbitkCtG0ty0Mw+CJVo

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-0bin.net | 0bin - encrypted pastebin

schestowitz

don't think so

MinceR

that was one

schestowitz

it's a Palin

MinceR

also where he said cheeto hitler was such a great president

CrystalMath

"Please enable javascript"

CrystalMath

can someone put that in a non-moonbat pastebin?

schestowitz

KindOne saved aside, thank you

schestowitz

it might come handy in the future

CrystalMath

schestowitz: it's locked

MinceR

yeah, these end-to-end encrypted pastebins rely on javascript to decrypt

MinceR

not that this does much, considering that the server still sees the cryptotext and the key

schestowitz

MinceR: he said it several tims

KindOne/fn

don't thank me, other people created it.

schestowitz

in very unhelpful words, too

XRevan86

activelow: "some staff recommending /msg nickserv drop" – they were afraid of the new management, and… that wasn't unreasonable

CrystalMath

oh dammit, okay, i'll use openssl

schestowitz

like "greatest ever president"

schestowitz

"I’m pretty non-political, but as a leader for the United States of America, President Donald Trump was the one, and these fuckers who stole that shit, you know, like, karma’s gonna, you know, everything comes around, you know what I mean? Like, they can - they can temporarily halt freedom, but it’s not - it’s gonna just keep pushing through. You know?"

MinceR

XRevan86: "oh no, the password i didn't use anywhere else might be compromised!"

CrystalMath

schestowitz: i should check this log to make sure it hasn't been altered by moonbats

CrystalMath

just hold on while i get the contents decrypted with openssl

XRevan86

MinceR: And some logging in history.

schestowitz

"these fuckers who stole that shit" = reference to 2020 election

schestowitz

rhetoric that got insurrection going, a coup against the US gov.

activelow

XRevan86: with this command plaintext password could be sent to this management

KindOne/fn

Why would anyone modify this channel log... a copy is being uploaded to the site

CrystalMath

schestowitz: and the US government is so sacred

schestowitz

it's bad enough without any editing

CrystalMath

let's not *dare* to spread wrongthink that could get them toppled

activelow

/disconnect sure, drop nick no.

schestowitz

do a wordcount on "shit" and "pussy"

CrystalMath

schestowitz: you know there were rappers on the other line too

schestowitz

I don't want our techrights channels managed by "shit pussy" men

CrystalMath

they said most of the bad words, behind l0de

KindOne/fn

The election was not stolen. The correct term you are looking for is voter turnout. 66.1% of people that could vote, voted.

Jun 22 20:57

MinceR

XRevan86: the last time you logged in/out?

Jun 22 20:57

CrystalMath

KindOne/fn: i'm not saying it's stolen i'm saying it's okay to say whatever

Jun 22 20:57

techrights-bot/fn

#PanVK Merged Into Mesa 21.2 For Open-Source #Vulkan Driver With Arm Mali GPUs - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PanVK-Lands-In-Mesa ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux

Jun 22 20:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PanVK Merged Into Mesa 21.2 For Open-Source Vulkan Driver With Arm Mali GPUs - Phoronix

Jun 22 20:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆█▆▇█▇▂▃▇█▅█▄▅▅▇█▆▆▇▆▇▄█▆▅▃█▁▂▆▄▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 45.78 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁█▁▁▂▄██▂▂██▃▂▂▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 80.56▕ swarm size (avg): 309.03 ⟲

Jun 22 20:59

XRevan86

MinceR: and possibly some other, I think there's more

Jun 22 20:59

MinceR

XRevan86: what else does NickServ log about you?

XRevan86

MinceR: Ariadne should know more.

XRevan86

she's the expert, I'm an IRC dummy :)

schestowitz

we'd lucky to have her helping is, and iirc she offered gnu/fsf the same with irc

MinceR

unfortunately the FSF prefers to throw itself at the mercy of its own enemies

schestowitz

I hope the redirect of fsf/gnu for irc will some day be pointing to a real self-hosted info of theits

schestowitz

ruben is leaving, so they have a sysadmin shortage atm

schestowitz

MinceR: I told RMS

schestowitz

he responded

schestowitz

he saw it as a temporary thing amid many "crises" (his word)

schestowitz

so he's open to the idea of self-hosting

schestowitz

also, to gemini

Jun 22 21:02

techrights-bot/fn

Lot of work ongoing in the background (today around midnight #techrights plans to publish another big expose about #epo and, failing that self-imposed deadline, some time tomorrow)

Jun 22 21:03

schestowitz

XRevan86: s/n ratio improved a lot

Jun 22 21:03

schestowitz

and -social is also move active, as it helps stave off less relevant topics but still give them air time

Jun 22 21:04

schestowitz

I have been logged in, for the first time, to LC, over web client

Jun 22 21:04

schestowitz

not a single line of activity for like 5 hours now. nothing.

Jun 22 21:04

schestowitz

it's just a bunch of people logged in, cannot really see actual value in that and half the people there (total 31) I don't know

XRevan86

schestowitz: No trolls conspiring? :)

schestowitz

they can become those people who drag us down

MinceR

they're conspiring on illibera

schestowitz

with discussions like, "you guys are extreme"

schestowitz

XRevan86: no, not at the moment anyway, and like I said I know nothing about those people

schestowitz

10+ years ago #phoronix on #freenode was active

schestowitz

then it became a dead zone

schestowitz

many people online

XRevan86

schestowitz: The majority probably just heard about techrights and is lurking.

schestowitz

but nothing said, just joins and exits, with all the real action in phoronix forums

Jun 22 21:07

XRevan86

They don't even advertise having an IRC channel.

Jun 22 21:07

schestowitz

not anymore

schestowitz

they use to publish logs of #phoronix

schestowitz

I remember very well

schestowitz

and i used to chat with michael over there

schestowitz

before the network died, 10+ years later

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-partners-with-microsoft-and-target-to-create-standards-for-voice-technology/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation partners with Microsoft and Target to create standards for voice technology | ZDNet

schestowitz

LF is dead

MinceR

they're milking that trademark for everything it's worth

Jun 22 21:11

schestowitz

exactly

schestowitz

until it is dead, alienating, meaningless

schestowitz

I already don't use the L word much

schestowitz

it stands for things I am against

http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/

schestowitz

Jun 22 21:13

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights

Jun 22 21:13

schestowitz

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/linux-foundation-introduces-open-voice-network-to-prioritize-trust-and-interoperability-in-a-voice-based-digital-future-301317466.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Linux Foundation Introduces Open Voice Network to Prioritize Trust and Interoperability in a Voice-Based Digital Future

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/linux-foundation-launches-gitops-training-301317507.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Linux Foundation Launches GitOps Training

schestowitz

I am going to do a video about this

schestowitz

LF has become far too easy to ridicule at this point

schestowitz

they totally expose themselves

schestowitz

"Smile Linus.... we'll pay your salary"

activelow

is torvalds the trademark holder?

schestowitz

he is

activelow

wasn't aware, i could follow with some of his pragmatism, and the alternative to Linux is none only

Jun 22 21:16

CrystalMath

schestowitz: you know about the new LF vaccine passport?

Jun 22 21:17

schestowitz

I covered it

schestowitz

even yesterday

schestowitz

I even recorded 20+ minutes with sound not working

schestowitz

had to redo it

schestowitz

bbiab

techrights-bot/fn

Design the #LibreOffice Conference 2021 logo! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/22/design-the-libreoffice-conference-2021-logo/

Jun 22 21:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Design the LibreOffice Conference 2021 logo! - The Document Foundation Blog

Jun 22 21:19

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 22 21:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: PanVK, NVIDIA, and AMD | Tux Machines

Jun 22 21:20

schestowitz

What's his background? https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/the-linux-foundation-appoints-industry-veteran-as-chief-marketing-officer/

Jun 22 21:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | The Linux Foundation Appoints Industry Veteran as Chief Marketing Officer - Linux Foundation

Jun 22 21:23

schestowitz

zemlin's name shows up

Jun 22 21:23

schestowitz

"We’re happy to announce that IBM and Microsoft are making data sets available today using CDLA-Permissive-2.0." https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/enabling-easier-collaboration-on-open-data-for-ai-and-ml-with-cdla-permissive-20/

Jun 22 21:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | Enabling Easier Collaboration on Open Data for AI and ML with CDLA-Permissive-2.0 - Linux Foundation

Jun 22 21:24

schestowitz

hahaha

Jun 22 21:24

*XRevan86 is thinking about one thing: should I participate in elections from now one forward?

Jun 22 21:25

XRevan86

It feels silly.

Jun 22 21:25

gustaf

depends on where you live I gess

Jun 22 21:26

XRevan86

gustaf: Russia

Jun 22 21:26

gustaf

Jun 22 21:26

schestowitz

second thought: no need for video, I can do this better as text

Jun 22 21:33

schestowitz

also, rianne went to sleep, if I record it'll interfere

schestowitz

XRevan86: saw no activity in LC, logged out

schestowitz

it's just a zombie channel

XRevan86

United Russia prepared well for the next elections.

XRevan86

making sure they don't matter

activelow

are voters registered if they joined an election? in germany voters are registered, AND their participation is registered *individually* too.

Jun 22 21:36

XRevan86

activelow: Only the passport is needed.

Jun 22 21:36

activelow

XRevan86: ironic, this is in compliance with constitution while german elections aren't.

Jun 22 21:37

XRevan86

one comes to the polling place, puts a sign in the list near the password number, takes a ballot and casts it

Jun 22 21:37

XRevan86

* a signature

activelow

an election must remain secret, and not voting too had to remain so, secret, since the choice to not vote is a choice too.

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security-Focused Tutanota Mail’s Linux Desktop Application is Now Available | Tux Machines

XRevan86

I don't agree, participation must be recorded to avoid voting fraud.

gustaf

that sounds like a weird interpretation of voting rules

activelow

i explicitely chose to NOT vote for any of this, yet non-presence is registered likewise presence is.

techrights-bot/fn

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gustaf

every eligible voter in Sweden gets a voting card in the mail before an election

gustaf

and it's presented at the polling place

XRevan86

It doesn't matter all that much if they know who's voted and who hasn't.

gustaf

so ofc if you don't vote that can be recorded

activelow

best option is to go vote, and pass an invalid one, although this doesn't express my will either, i didn't support non-democratic elections at all.

gustaf

but that's fine

gustaf

because it's not like Australia where voting is compulsory

XRevan86

Non-democratic elections have an interesting quality: they can just draw 95% participation regardless.

activelow

and not participating in an election being registered *individually* is in violation of the constitution, in germany at least.

Jun 22 21:41

XRevan86

not checking for who has or hasn't voted is a property of non-democratic elections as they really don't want anyone to be able to check

Jun 22 21:41

activelow

they could check without marking any single individual

Jun 22 21:42

activelow

since voters are already registered individually, that's ok. it is ok too registration card is invalidated once voted. it is NOT ok to register participation individually.

Jun 22 21:43

activelow

since NOT-voting for any of the undemocratic nonsense is a choice too.

Jun 22 21:43

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activelow

and such a voter's choice must remain secret according to the consitution, which german elections violate to begin with.

XRevan86

And now voting through Gosuslugi is a thing too.

XRevan86

and it's such an incredible field for fraud I don't even

gustaf

what is Gosuslugi ?

Jun 22 21:45

CrystalMath

schestowitz: there is a mistake in the transcript

Jun 22 21:45

XRevan86

Govservices

Jun 22 21:45

CrystalMath

a sentence from Lil Pump misattributed to Andrew Lee

XRevan86

An Internet portal with all kinds of governmental stuff.

XRevan86

soon every new born will have an account there

XRevan86

(that's for real)

gustaf

ok so you logon and can vote there?

gustaf

amazing

gustaf

how do you ID? e-sig?

XRevan86

gustaf: passport

MinceR

it's amazing how you can vote when votes are meaningless, isn't it? :>

gustaf

XRevan86: ok

gustaf

like... enter the passport number?

Jun 22 21:48

XRevan86

gustaf: Make an account, attach identification, then one can vote.

Jun 22 21:48

gustaf

yeah that sounds sketchy as heck :(

Jun 22 21:48

XRevan86

people get hacked and voting unknowingly all the time now

gustaf

I believe voting was compulsory in the USSR

activelow

in east-germany it was suspicious already to enter the cabin to secretly vote

XRevan86

gustaf: It wasn't.

gustaf

XRevan86: I was misinformed then

Jun 22 21:50

gustaf

just this weird urban legend that went around

Jun 22 21:50

XRevan86

but there were all kinds of perks someone who shows up was getting

Jun 22 21:50

gustaf

I see

XRevan86

like sausage :)

gustaf

I've been discussing elections in IRan with a coworker

gustaf

apparently they're quite open

activelow

nowadays the only relevant choice is participation or none, and such *individual* choice isn't at least kept secret to remain compliant with the constitution, individual voters choices must remain secret.

gustaf

ofc the state decides *who* can stand for election

MinceR

ah, just like the eastern bloc

gustaf

yeah

XRevan86

activelow: If ye can design a system that can uphold that and is accountable, go ahead.

gustaf

to stand for parlaiment oyu have to have a degree

schestowitz

MinceR: care to read a draft?

activelow

XRevan86: it is trivial, in non-electronic form.

MinceR

yes

gustaf

and ofc the state decides who can graduate ...

schestowitz

hang on, thanks

XRevan86

activelow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud#Ballot_stuffing

Jun 22 21:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Electoral fraud - Wikipedia

Jun 22 21:53

activelow

XRevan86: they individually mark an individual voter in a spreadsheet. they already do collect/invalidate the registartion card for verification.

Jun 22 21:54

XRevan86

activelow: So, what do ye want instead? A million anons showing up mysteriously with a million ballots for United Russia?

Jun 22 21:55

activelow

XRevan86: nothing.

Jun 22 21:55

XRevan86

activelow: Very true, supreme leader for the win.

Jun 22 21:55

activelow

XRevan86: it is OK to be registered invidually and be verified indvidually. it is OK to invaldiate registration cards. it is NOT ok to record indivudals in the spreadsheet.

Jun 22 21:56

XRevan86

I think I'm just not getting this whole registration card system.

Jun 22 21:56

schestowitz

MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/ typos for sure!

Jun 22 21:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft” Again | Techrights

Jun 22 21:57

MinceR

schestowitz: i'm not sure if there's such a thing as 'vendoring off'

Jun 22 22:00

schestowitz

I'm not sure either

schestowitz

how would you put it

MinceR

not sure what you're trying to say

MinceR

"zemlin is selling an illusion of trust", perhaps?

MinceR

"little but a marketing apparatus" -> "little more than a marketing apparatus", perhaps

Jun 22 22:03

MinceR

lol @ "the Linux Foundation AI" (from ibm)

Jun 22 22:04

schestowitz

yup

schestowitz

schestowitz

pure BS

MinceR

also, wiktionary tells me that "recognise" is "non-Oxford British spelling"

MinceR

that's all i've found

schestowitz

I integrated your suggestions, thanks

MinceR

schestowitz

i might do a video about this once more puff pieces are available

schestowitz

paid-for fluff

schestowitz

hey hi

schestowitz

everything,

schestowitz

Microsoft.... LINUX

techrights-bot/fn

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schestowitz

it's guranteed the puff pieces will come until friday

schestowitz

then I can refer to the text and do a video

schestowitz

those charlatans and liar

schestowitz

*liars

XFaCE

>THE Linux Foundation is going to find itself in the same situation Freenode is in.

XFaCE

Difference is the corporate approval

schestowitz

wanna be rich?

schestowitz

Become a charlatan and liar like Zemlin

MinceR

http://www.mslinux.org/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mslinux.org | Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro

schestowitz

XFaCE: yes, true

XFaCE

MinceR: classic

schestowitz

it's not a great analogy

MinceR

schestowitz

a timely analogy though

schestowitz

the commonality is

schestowitz

you alienate the key/core people

schestowitz

userbase

schestowitz

and don't care

schestowitz

you think only the brand matters

schestowitz

guess what

schestowitz

OSI is dead

schestowitz

LF might be next

XFaCE

A better analogy would be a supposedly ethical advocate turned politician who fully accepts the will of bureaucracy

schestowitz

does anyone here want to email TOrvalds?

schestowitz

I have his email address, it's not even hard to find

schestowitz

ask him what he thinks of his brand being used for Microsoft proprietary PR

XFaCE

"just for fun"

MinceR

save him from his blackmailers first if you want a straight answer

techrights-bot/fn

#linuxfoundation : DEFUNCT DEFUNCT DEFUNCT... killing #linux (the brand) for money... milking it off... till death. http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

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XFaCE

pretty much

schestowitz

they watch his email

schestowitz

he does not use encryption

schestowitz

linuxfoundation.org

schestowitz

santa is Microsoft

schestowitz

'naughty' Linux

schestowitz

Linus

schestowitz

"don't you ever respond to Roy again"

MinceR

XFaCE

It's basically a foundation in the same way rich oligarchs have foundations

XFaCE

I wonder how much tax shenanigans go on at the LF

techrights-bot/fn

#linux works for #nsa by proxy now. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights

XFaCE

That and Red Hat's NSA connections

techrights-bot/fn

#linux is not a community anymore, #gnu still is. That's why #corporateMedia ignores it and occasionally attacks its founder by defaming him.

Jun 22 22:13

techrights-bot/fn

So-called "Linux" Foundation is "basically a foundation in the same way rich oligarchs have foundations" - XFaCE in #techrights http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation

schestowitz

XFaCE: it's lots of tax evasion

schestowitz

not just for salaries

schestowitz

but also contracts for marketing

schestowitz

tax exempt

schestowitz

XFaCE: yes, I didn't say our articles about Red Hat and NSA are any less relevant

schestowitz

and IBM is worse than Red Hat

schestowitz

their affairs with the intel 'community' goes way back

schestowitz

to the World Wars

XFaCE

Oh, it was just to emphasize how bad things are

schestowitz

they even has "IBM Corps" in the army

schestowitz

D-Day invasion

XFaCE

and of course IBM is red hat now, just another spiral down the void

schestowitz

to take back their Hollerith machines

schestowitz

red hat lost credibility

schestowitz

IBM works with Microsoft more closely than Red Hat ever did

schestowitz

also Apple

XFaCE

Actually, the LF is worse than those foundations, because with those you have malicious individuals making malicious foundations... what you see is what you get, GIGO

XFaCE

But Linus part in Linux isn't like those individuals

schestowitz

at age 51 people cares less

schestowitz

needs to pay for 3 kids

schestowitz

and retire safely one day

XFaCE

Yeah but even then he isn't in the oligarch class

schestowitz

maybe some event will change his mind, but he's already surrounded by LF-filtered people

XFaCE

What I'm emphasising is that the LF takes a good name and taints

schestowitz

blinders on

XFaCE

I guess lucky for him it isn't called the Torvalds Foundation

schestowitz

his dad would be pissed off

Jun 22 22:18

XFaCE

His dad is the one that spoke in regards to NDAs and the Snowden revelations and how they relate to Linus correct?

Jun 22 22:18

AdmFubar

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/brave-launches-its-privacy-focused-no-tracking-search-engine/ HA! Sure there is privacy!

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Brave launches its privacy-focused no-tracking search engine

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/sonicwall-bug-that-affected-800k-firewalls-was-only-partially-fixed/

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | SonicWall bug that affected 800K firewalls was only partially fixed

DaemonFC

So Progressive pops up a car insurance quote and it says "We found your spouse, Timothy Armstrong." and I'm like, "Uhhh, no?".

AdmFubar

this is just weird... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mysterious-ransomware-payment-traced-to-a-sensual-massage-site/

AdmFubar

Does this mean they got a happy ending?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Mysterious ransomware payment traced to a sensual massage site

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https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/majority-of-web-apps-in-11-industries-are-vulnerable-all-the-time/d/d-id/1341356

AdmFubar

software and a service or else! https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/peloton-tread-owners-now-forced-into-monthly-subscription-after-recall/

Jun 22 22:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Peloton Tread owners now forced into monthly subscription after recall

Jun 22 22:23

XFaCE

schestowitz: I think the majority of positive buzz of IBM in the mainstream are video channels covering old IBM hardware like keyboards and laptops from 30+ years ago.

Jun 22 22:24

XFaCE

(mainstream being organic popularity, not MSM)

Jun 22 22:24

AdmFubar

Jun 22 22:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Majority of Web Apps in 11 Industries Are ...

Jun 22 22:27

schestowitz

XFaCE: something like that (Nils), yes

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schestowitz

re IBM, they did put the foundations for many things

schestowitz

but not anymore

MinceR

and even some of that was unintentional

https://www.project-disco.org/competition/062221-tech-regulatory-overhaul-series-a-discrimination-bill-against-consumers/

schestowitz

they also milked Jeopardy (IIRC) for Watson marketing

Jun 22 22:29

MinceR

e.g. the PC ended up as an open platform solely because ibm didn't think they could make significant profit out of it

Jun 22 22:29

MinceR

when they realized they could, they tried to do so with the PS/2

Jun 22 22:29

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.project-disco.org | Tech Regulatory Overhaul Series: A Discrimination Bill Against Consumers - Disruptive Competition Project

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XFaCE

There are individual designers/engineers at IBM at the time who were truly remarkable, but the historical rhetorical they were in spite of IBM's nature, not because of it

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MinceR

i guess that's the advantage ibm had over microsoft

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MinceR

ibm's corporate culture did not nullify individual engineering prowess

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schestowitz

MinceR: they had a monopoly

AdmFubar

Ha! that wil be the day...

schestowitz

and could attract some very talented people

schestowitz

as a result of that monopoly

schestowitz

that doesn't beget a status of "greatness"

schestowitz

Google also attracted many top engs

AdmFubar

ibm was built on revenge

schestowitz

so Gulag managed to dominate a lot of things

schestowitz

but those engs did not come from google

XFaCE

Yeah, the Model M keyboard is great, but it doesn't mean IBM as a whole was great for example

schestowitz

they were head-hunted by Google

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-there-such-a-gender-gap-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Is There Such A Gender Gap In COVID-19 Vaccination Rates? | FiveThirtyEight

MinceR

schestowitz: sure, but is there a microshit equivalent to the ThinkPad or the Model F or Model M keyboards?

XFaCE

Some of their game controllers

XFaCE

at best

MinceR

their overrated mice?

techrights-bot/fn

Chris Titus Tech doing some spammy marketing again. #youtube has become 50% shite even if you subscribe to "good" channels. They get seduced and try to 'monetise'... #socialcontrolmedia #misinformation #spam

XFaCE

MinceR: or comparing OS/2 to Windows 3.x in the software arena

Jun 22 22:37

MinceR

they were both rotten, afaict

Jun 22 22:38

AdmFubar

os/2 was rather good, it was ms that had a smear campaign against it.

XFaCE

And it had higher resource requirements at the time

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/your-phones-not-listening-to-your-conversations-you-are-likely-giving-it-the-information-it-needs-9742381.html

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Your phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs- Technology News, Firstpost

techrights-bot/fn

"In an alternate universe, we still have 320x240px displays." https://blog.jimmac.eu/2021/pixels/

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AdmFubar

yeah... but who developed it for ibm?

XFaCE

well by the time 2.0, IBM

schestowitz

AdmFubar: lol, they make vaccines a gender issue now

XFaCE

They had creative control over the product

schestowitz

let me guess what next

AdmFubar

microsoft did development for it..

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XFaCE

Yes they did, but 2.0 was a very thorough rewrite by IBM

Jun 22 22:41

AdmFubar

yeah they got it away from ms but the damage was done

Jun 22 22:41

XFaCE

fair enough

Jun 22 22:41

AdmFubar

it is the one thing nice ms did... out "ibm" ,ibm

Jun 22 22:42

MinceR

afaik OS/2 PM had a global event loop, which meant that any application could hang the entire GUI

Jun 22 22:42

MinceR

great design!

Jun 22 22:42

XFaCE

Windows 3.x did for sure

XFaCE

time for some lazy wp research

MinceR

dunno about that, bit xp finally got a workaround for window decorations using the client's event loop, making windows unmanageable if the application owning them froze

techrights-bot/fn

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MinceR

gnome/wayland people love that design flaw so much they reinvented it

XFaCE

Gnome, for when you want that minimalist interface look without the resource savings that come from using a minimalist window manger

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/ban-on-mis-selling-fraudulent-flash-sales-and-other-changes-to-e-commerce-rules-proposed-by-govt-9740721.html

AdmFubar

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ban on mis-selling, fraudulent flash sales and other changes to e-commerce rules proposed by govt- Technology News, Firstpost

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Arduino rocks babies to sleep, gives parents a break | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/22/arduino-rocks-babies-to-sleep-gives-parents-a-break/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 22:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Arduino rocks babies to sleep, gives parents a break | Arduino Blog

Jun 22 22:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

Jun 22 22:46

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Adding a ChaCha Cipher to #Precursor ’s TRNG - bunnie’s blog ⚓ https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6126 ䷉ #bunniestudios " #Linux maintains an entropy pool that is collected from a variety of low-and-high-quality sources"

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bunniestudios.com | Adding a ChaCha Cipher to Precursor’s TRNG « bunnie's blog

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This shield brings a #tictactoe game to your Arduino Mega, complete with an AI opponent | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/22/this-shield-brings-a-tic-tac-toe-game-to-your-arduino-mega-complete-with-an-ai-opponent/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This shield brings a tic-tac-toe game to your Arduino Mega, complete with an AI opponent | Arduino Blog

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Celebrating 10 years of Reps – Mozilla Reps ⚓ https://blog.mozilla.org/mozillareps/2021/06/22/celebrating-10-years-of-reps/ ䷉ #Mozilla #WWW #FreeSW #Firefox #Internet ... "Zoom rooms" FACEPALM!

Jun 22 22:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Celebrating 10 years of Reps – Mozilla Reps

Jun 22 22:48

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Today in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152571

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

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TC39 meeting, May 25-26 2021 | #SpiderMonkey #JavaScript / #WebAssembly Engine ⚓ https://spidermonkey.dev/blog/2021/06/15/tc39.html ䷉ #mozilla

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spidermonkey.dev | TC39 meeting, May 25-26 2021 | SpiderMonkey JavaScript/WebAssembly Engine

https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/22/skype_gpg_expire/

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"In this lengthy video, I go over some of the changes I would make with #Ubuntu (with GNOME) if I were using it as my daily driver. I don't make drastic changes like swapping out the desktop environment. I just tweak some of the things that are already there." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b-xQkRWHjQ

Jun 22 22:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taking Ubuntu To The Next Level - YouTube

Jun 22 22:50

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Your [sic] phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/your-phones-not-listening-to-your-conversations-you-are-likely-giving-it-the-information-it-needs-9742381.html

Jun 22 22:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Your phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs- Technology News, Firstpost

Jun 22 22:52

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Actually, your [sic] 'phone' sometimes does listen to you https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34444233

Jun 22 22:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' - BBC News

Jun 22 22:52

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"Alexander Kiryuhin has again released a version of the Rakudo Compiler implementing the #RakuLang #Programming Language: the 2021.06 Compiler Release!" https://rakudoweekly.blog/2021/06/22/2021-25-small-steps/

Jun 22 22:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudoweekly.blog | 2021.25 Small Steps – Rakudo Weekly News

Jun 22 22:53

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Jamie McClelland: How to Meet Online with Simultaneous Interpretation http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2021/jitsi-and-language-justice/ #jitsi #jitsimeet #freesw

Jun 22 22:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-current.workingdirectory.net | How to Meet Online with Simultaneous Interpretation

Jun 22 22:54

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Is this an ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WPwmqawzF4

Jun 22 22:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minimalist, open source, encrypted Google Photos & Google Docs alternative? We'll see about that! - YouTube

Jun 22 22:55

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#Vim vs. #Nano vs. #Emacs : Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable Sysadmin ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/3-text-editors-compared ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 22:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Vim vs. Nano vs. Emacs: Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable Sysadmin

Jun 22 22:56

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#ISRG and #Google Back #Rust for #Linux Project http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30024 LF as lobbying/pressure group for monopolists http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/

Jun 22 22:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines

Jun 22 22:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights

Jun 22 22:57

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"Containers are not new. Depending on how you define "containers" they can date back to 2008 for LXC" ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/evolution-sdn-what-service-mesh-offers-telco ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 22:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | The evolution of SDN: What service mesh offers telco

Jun 22 22:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▂▇▆▇▇▃▆▂▅▆▇▅█▇█▇▇▅▆▇▄▇█▅▅▃▅▆▇▁█▂▁ avg(k/sec) 39.03 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▂▂▃▂▂▁▂▃█▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▃▁▂█▂▂▁█▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 30.33▕ swarm size (avg): 308.45 ⟲

Jun 22 22:59

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How is the retail industry using enterprise open source? ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-retail-industry-using-enterprise-open-source ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 22:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | How is the retail industry using enterprise open source?

Jun 22 22:59

AdmFubar

Jun 22 23:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | There's no 'Skype' in Teams: Microsoft lets signing key for its Debian Skype repository slip gently into the night • The Register

Jun 22 23:00

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The #Gulag -run #ISRG wants to make the #Linux #kernel memory-safe with Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30025 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/

Jun 22 23:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines

Jun 22 23:04

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13 Important Privacy and #Security Settings in #Ubuntu #Linux ⚓ https://vitux.com/13-important-privacy-and-security-settings-in-linux/ ䷉ #vitux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest

Jun 22 23:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vitux.com | 13 Important Privacy and Security Settings in Ubuntu Linux

Jun 22 23:05

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Euro 2020: Raheem Sterling strike secures top spot for England https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57575294 #england #football #euro2020

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Euro 2020: Raheem Sterling strike secures top spot for England - BBC Sport

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A study of the #Linux #kernel PCI subsystem with QEMU • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152572

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A study of the Linux kernel PCI subsystem with QEMU | Tux Machines

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210620/23384747031/bad-patents-getting-way-fun-toy-why-i-had-to-teach-my-kids-about-how-patents-ruin-everything.shtml

AdmFubar

Jun 22 23:09

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bad Patents Getting In The Way Of A Fun Toy; Or Why I Had To Teach My Kids About How Patents Ruin Everything | Techdirt

Jun 22 23:09

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"The Ubuntu in the wild blog post ropes in the latest highlights about Ubuntu and Canonical around the world on a bi-weekly basis. It is a summary of all the things that made us feel proud to be part of this journey." https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-in-the-wild-10

Jun 22 23:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu in the wild – 22nd of June | Ubuntu

Jun 22 23:10

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#curl dev Daniel Stenberg continues selling himself off to enemies of #freesw https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/06/22/on-the-github-readme-podcast/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On the GitHub ReadMe podcast | daniel.haxx.se

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights

http://www.maxhost.org/other/url.txt

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TI10: The International for #Dota2 may not happen in Sweden now as it's not elite enough | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/ti10-the-international-for-dota-2-may-not-happen-in-sweden-now-as-its-not-elite-enough ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games

Jun 22 23:13

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TI10: The International for Dota 2 may not happen in Sweden now as it's not elite enough | GamingOnLinux

Jun 22 23:13

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#codeplex failed, shut down. #github is also failing, but it statted a little higher than, say, #SourceForge ( http://techrights.org/wiki/SourceForge ) when #microsoft 'bought' itself a market position

Jun 22 23:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SourceForge - Techrights

Jun 22 23:15

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"More significantly, McGovern and Lamb are both personal friends. They live in the Cambridge region of the UK. McGovern gave a job to his mate's girlfriend." https://debian.community/neil-mcgovern-debian-gnome-mollygate/ #gnomefoundation http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#Introduction

Jun 22 23:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Neil McGovern & Debian: GNOME and Mollygate

Jun 22 23:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights

Jun 22 23:17

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"By By Bruce Byfield". Yes, bye bye, Bruce Byfield. Still attacking the FSF with loaded and misleading headlines: "What happens if the FSF collapses?" https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/What-happens-if-the-FSF-collapses

Jun 22 23:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | What happens if the FSF collapses? » Linux Magazine

Jun 22 23:19

MinceR

lol

Jun 22 23:19

techrights-bot/fn

2020: concern-trolling as 'news'. One modus operandi of the coup against the FSF since 2019.

Jun 22 23:20

techrights-bot/fn

"Recently Distrotube made a video about why word processors are evil, this video was full of really odd arguments as well as some things that were just flat out wrong so I felt like I needed to correct a lot of the points he made." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN74MjpA6_E

Jun 22 23:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroTube Is Wrong About Word Processors! - YouTube

Jun 22 23:21

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#ibm milking the word "LINUX" to sell proprietary stuff and "clown" https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/utilize-linuxone-as-a-platform-to-build-open-source-technology/

Jun 22 23:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Utilize LinuxONE as a platform to build open source technology – IBM Developer

Jun 22 23:22

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"While our software runs on Linux, Windows and macOS, we know it doesn't run evenly across all three platforms. The macOS version is in need of some serious love." Who for? #apple users in love with Apple and Adobe... bring them over to #gnu #linux https://inkscape.org/news/2021/06/22/seeking-macos-dev-contributor-inkscape-project/

Jun 22 23:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inkscape.org | Seeking macOS dev contributor for Inkscape project | Inkscape

Jun 22 23:23

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"This particular reformatting task is one I've seen celebrated as easy-peasy with AWK. Do you want "Firstname Lastname" made into "Lastname, Firstname"? No problem..." https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2021-06-23.html #bash #AWK

Jun 22 23:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datafix.com.au | "Firstname Lastname" to "Lastname, Firstname", with complications

Jun 22 23:24

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"Hello and welcome to Episode 417 of Linux in the Ham Shack." https://lhspodcast.info/2021/06/lhs-episode-417-the-gangs-all-here-2/ #gnu #linux

Jun 22 23:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #417: The Gang’s All Here | Linux in the Ham Shack

Jun 22 23:25

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"Scratch my back and I will scratch yours"-type marketing and shallow endorsements https://www.suse.com/c/a-perfect-partnership-suse-wins-hpe-global-technology-partner-of-the-year-2021/

Jun 22 23:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Perfect Partnership: SUSE Wins HPE Global Technology Partner of the Year 2021 | SUSE Communities

Jun 22 23:27

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#Google lobbying via proxies like Mozilla, LF, and ISRG http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30026 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ #gulag #alphabet

Jun 22 23:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines

Jun 22 23:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights

Jun 22 23:29

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More #Akademy 2021 blog posts http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152494#comment-30027 #kde #FreeSW

Jun 22 23:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, KNewStuff, and digiKam | Tux Machines

Jun 22 23:31

cubexyz/fn

you may have seen this one already (from 2020):

Jun 22 23:31

techrights-bot/fn

KDE Plasma 5.22.2, Bugfix Release for June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152560#comment-30028

Jun 22 23:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support | Tux Machines

Jun 22 23:32

cubexyz/fn

*DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vv9h6r945trdq.irc) has joined #techrights

cubexyz/fn

can't clipboard from this old dillo :-/

schestowitz

schestowitz

let me see...

Jun 22 23:36

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Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152573

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

techrights-bot/fn

#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152574 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines

schestowitz

cubexyz: yes, we had that in Daily Links at the time

schestowitz

a lot has happened since then

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/04/bill-gates-foundation-philanthropy-microsoft

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jacobinmag.com | Bill Gates’s Philanthropic Giving Is a Racket

cubexyz/fn

ok, I thought you probably knew about it

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights

schestowitz

while many obsessed over the 'evils' of RMS

schestowitz

at least people now understand it better

schestowitz

better later than NEVER

schestowitz

also, we got tons of traffic for our very old articles about Gates

schestowitz

they became very much relevant many years down the line

cubexyz/fn

yes, younger folks may not realize how bad microsoft was/is

cubexyz/fn

there's a lot of chromebook and mac usage nowadays

Jun 22 23:40

cubexyz/fn

I'm not sure if mac is better, but their OS is BSD based at least

techrights-bot/fn

#LinuxFoundation is #openwashing #Microsoft and #listeningdevices . How appalling and antithetical to "Linux". https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/22/linux-foundation-initiative-advocates-open-standards-for-voice-assistants/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation initiative advocates open standards for voice assistants | VentureBeat

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft” Again | Techrights

techrights-bot/fn

Open Source 3D CAD Software for #GNU #Linux for #3DPrinter Models https://dwaves.de/2021/06/22/open-source-3d-cad-software-for-gnu-linux-for-3d-printer-models/ #OpenSCAD

Jun 22 23:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» Open Source 3D CAD Software for GNU Linux for 3D Printer Models | dwaves.de

Jun 22 23:42

cubexyz/fn

gates' depo is still on youtube, so people can see for themselves his behaviour

Jun 22 23:45

schestowitz

we have copies

http://techrights.org/wiki/Bill_Gates_Deposition

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights

schestowitz

cubexyz: apple is not BSD

schestowitz

they just misuse the UNIX brand

schestowitz

and Linux means not what it used to mean

schestowitz

chromeos is gentoo based

schestowitz

but no freedom

schestowitz

so we need to change the terminopoly

schestowitz

in order to accomplish something meaningful

schestowitz

LF promotes polluters, not reuse

cubexyz/fn

idea: techrights listing recommended OSes, motherboards, etc

schestowitz

greenwashing the world's worst culprits

schestowitz

cubexyz do you want to volunteer to maintain the page/s?

schestowitz

like, in the wiki

schestowitz

MinceR

(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/14/a7210bd49db47c76.mp4

cubexyz/fn

well, I could get it started at least

cubexyz/fn

it is something I do think about a lot

cubexyz/fn

at least list the bare bones no-OS computers

Jun 22 23:49

techrights-bot/fn

JingPad A1: Linux-based tablet with an AMOLED display blows through its Indiegogo campaign goal http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-30029

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines

techrights-bot/fn

Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, DistroTube, and Cryptee • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152575

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, DistroTube, and Cryptee | Tux Machines

#SoftwarePatents #swpats https://finance.yahoo.com/news/parus-files-patent-lawsuit-against-171200307.html https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/news/national/parus-files-second-patent-lawsuit-against-google-for-infringement-of-its-proprietary-voice-browsing-and/article_5fca22cb-6144-52a2-b662-cfb63a5c7473.html

techrights-bot/fn

#Innovatrics Optimizes Smart [sic] Face for Linux and NVIDIA Jetson Systems https://findbiometrics.com/innovatrics-optimizes-smartface-linux-nvidia-jetson-systems-062205/ an example of how the #linux brand will increasingly be misused to promote rather abusive things

Jun 22 23:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-findbiometrics.com | Innovatrics Optimizes SmartFace for Linux and NVIDIA Jetson Systems

Jun 22 23:52

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#intel is collapsing https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-New-Leadership-BUs see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks

Jun 22 23:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Announces New Leadership Roles, Business Unit Changes - Phoronix

Jun 22 23:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights

Jun 22 23:53

techrights-bot/fn

More #intel defects, but Michael focus on the positives https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ucode-June-2021-Not-Bad

Jun 22 23:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Latest CPU Microcode Update Isn't All That Scary - Phoronix

Jun 22 23:55

techrights-bot/fn

parallel @ Savannah: #GNUParallel 20210622 ('Protasevich') released [stable] http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10012 "No new functionality was introduced so this is a good candidate for a stable release."

Jun 22 23:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Parallel - News: GNU Parallel 20210622 ('Protasevich') released [stable] [Savannah]

Jun 22 23:56

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Jun 22 23:57

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Parus Files Patent Lawsuit Against Microsoft for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control Technology

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parus Files Second Patent Lawsuit Against Google for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control Technology | National News | mdjonline.com

cubexyz/fn

I tell people to "look at the refurbs" and watch out for non-standard power supplies

techrights-bot/fn

FOSS Patents: Legislative intent couldn't be clearer: availability of #patent injunctions not compromised by new #Germany legislation ⚓ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/legislative-intent-couldnt-be-clearer.html ䷉ #fosspatents #de

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Legislative intent couldn't be clearer: availability of patent injunctions not compromised by new German legislation