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cybrNaut/fnis the bridge coming from liberachat?Jun 22 00:00
MinceRnoJun 22 00:00
XRevan86cybrNaut: irc.techrights.orgJun 22 00:00
MinceRthis side is the techrights networkJun 22 00:00
Ariadneno, schestowitz wanted to selfhost irc last yearJun 22 00:00
Ariadnei just didnt get around to it until nowJun 22 00:00
XRevan86cybrNaut: But if ye have other channels, ye should check where they are now too.Jun 22 00:00
XRevan86it's illegal to notify users about the current whereabouts of channels on freenodeJun 22 00:00
XRevan86as on Jun 22 00:01
XRevan86as a free speech haven shouldJun 22 00:01
XRevan86No one leaves the free speech haven.Jun 22 00:02
Ariadnefreedom!Jun 22 00:02
MinceRfreedoom!Jun 22 00:03
schestowitzfreewareJun 22 00:03
schestowitzXRevan86: did you find code for that app?Jun 22 00:03
schestowitzafter all, freenode is FOSSJun 22 00:03
Ariadnethe app?Jun 22 00:04
schestowitzyeahJun 22 00:04
Ariadne 22 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird becoming thing. You can… 22 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> IRC.comJun 22 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | freenodeJun 22 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird becoming thing. You can… 22 00:04
Ariadneyou can read about it hereJun 22 00:04
XRevan86schestowitz: comedy gold :)Jun 22 00:04
Ariadneits a snoozefestJun 22 00:04
schestowitzi saw thatJun 22 00:04
XRevan86Ariadne: I gave that link before.Jun 22 00:04
techrights-bot/fn#freenode is just a name now, little else. 22 00:06
MinceRwon't even be a name for long if it goes that wayJun 22 00:07
XRevan86cybrNaut: Also spread the word, people should know that IRC is not actually deserted.Jun 22 00:07
schestowitzscortched earthJun 22 00:08
schestowitzfreenode on a 30-day diet planJun 22 00:09
kingoffrance^ this was touched on, that irc was supposedly dying, maybe have to break a few shells to make an irclette (not in those words, but to that effect)Jun 22 00:09
techrights-bot/fnUbuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 688 #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 22 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 688Jun 22 00:09
schestowitzShells has not been buying puff pieces for a whileJun 22 00:10
schestowitzit started just over a year agoJun 22 00:10
schestowitzlots of paid-for fluffJun 22 00:10
schestowitzin sites that claim to be "news"Jun 22 00:10
XRevan86It might seem that way to someone who just logged into freenode to check the channels and found no activity whatsoever.Jun 22 00:11
schestowitzmaybe they want to do to "LINUX" what Kape did to "IRC"Jun 22 00:11
kingoffranceas in, self-fulfilling prophecy? sureJun 22 00:11
XRevan86not everyone's running bridgesJun 22 00:11
techrights-bot/fn#Linux Plumbers Conference: Toolchains and #Kernel Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference 22 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Toolchains and Kernel Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference – Linux Plumbers Conference 2021Jun 22 00:13
schestowitzpoor people who joined LeeJun 22 00:13
schestowitzsooner or later, maybe 1-2 paychecks laterJun 22 00:13
schestowitzunemployedJun 22 00:13
schestowitzlike deBlancJun 22 00:13
schestowitztweeted today she's no longer employedJun 22 00:13
schestowitzI guess doing hate letters and staff doesn't work out too well at the endJun 22 00:14
MinceRwho knows? garrett still seems to be doing thatJun 22 00:14
schestowitzMaybe "Teddy" will bail out Drew vJun 22 00:14
schestowitz 22 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Teddy Sagi - WikipediaJun 22 00:14
schestowitzMinceR: doing what? Playing with the doorbell?Jun 22 00:15
schestowitzwe get things doneJun 22 00:15
schestowitzwhile he's shitposting in "Shitter"Jun 22 00:15
schestowitzand maybe even pretending to work somewhereJun 22 00:15
MinceRposting bullshit to help the interests of monopolistsJun 22 00:15
schestowitzRed Hat staff told me they had been receiving code directly from NSAJun 22 00:16
schestowitzthey're downstreamers sometimesJun 22 00:16
schestowitzMinceR: that's where the money isJun 22 00:16
schestowitzattacking enemies of the Black Budget companiesJun 22 00:16
MinceRmaybe that's where the money is for molly "I don't know how to code, but I do have blue hair." deblanc as wellJun 22 00:17
schestowitzthat changed since thenJun 22 00:18
schestowitznot the descriptionJun 22 00:18
schestowitzthe colourJun 22 00:18
schestowitz 22 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) · GitHubJun 22 00:18
schestowitz"My hair is now orange and pink. "Jun 22 00:18
MinceR:>Jun 22 00:18
schestowitzI am not joking, you can click to checkJun 22 00:18
XRevan86sounds like jokesJun 22 00:19
schestowitzthat says a lot about the coding experienceJun 22 00:19
schestowitzXRevan86: she isJun 22 00:19
*XRevan86 has no idea who that is.Jun 22 00:19
schestowitzand someone gnome foundation thought picking Andrew Lee and Bully de blanc is a smart ideaJun 22 00:19
schestowitz 22 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Interview with Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access – The GNOME FoundationJun 22 00:19
schestowitz". Andrew Lee is a long-time privacy advocate, and has co-founded several other privacy related companies in the past including Mt Gox Live which was later acquired by Mt Gox the leading Bitcoin exchange. "Jun 22 00:19
schestowitzThat was before Mt Gox  collapseedJun 22 00:20
schestowitzand people asked, wtf is our money !!Jun 22 00:20
*XRevan86 checked out her singing: it's not good, but not terrible either. Maybe there's potential, I don't know.Jun 22 00:20
schestowitz"We do not have any specific numbers regarding the percentage of our customers who use GNU/Linux. However, with that said, we’re confident that most of our customers are using GNU/Linux in some form, whether on their desktop or mobile device.'Jun 22 00:20
schestowitzat least he says GNUJun 22 00:21
schestowitzanyway...Jun 22 00:21
schestowitzthe world is f'ed upJun 22 00:21
schestowitzlet's make the most of it, lads... :-)Jun 22 00:21
schestowitzwe can always fall back on football, beers, and celebsJun 22 00:21
schestowitzor "royalty"Jun 22 00:21
schestowitz(or people with claims to royalty)Jun 22 00:22
XRevan86oh wow, I somehow don't care about all of those things.Jun 22 00:22
schestowitzthe gnome interview links to a bad (invalid) page: 22 00:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Jun 22 00:22
XRevan86So de Blanc worked at the GNOME FoundactionJun 22 00:22
MinceR"worked"Jun 22 00:22
schestowitz'worked'Jun 22 00:22
schestowitzyou overstate itJun 22 00:23
MinceR:)Jun 22 00:23
schestowitzMinceR beat me to itJun 22 00:23
schestowitzbutler for mcgovernJun 22 00:23
XRevan86was getting a paycheque from GNOME FoundationJun 22 00:23
schestowitzclicking things to add signaturesJun 22 00:23
schestowitzadd that to your CVJun 22 00:23
schestowitzlearned to click things in a Microsoft GUIJun 22 00:23
XRevan86So why is that noteworthy?Jun 22 00:23
schestowitzmaybe someone in GIAFAM reckons they need to clean houseJun 22 00:24
schestowitzas gnome foundation lacked credibility nowJun 22 00:24
XRevan86For how long has she been getting a paycheque from the GNOME Foundation?Jun 22 00:24
schestowitzmaybe they'll rotate again and Neil will join miguel and Stormy at MicrosoftJun 22 00:24
schestowitz 22 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME Foundation - TechrightsJun 22 00:24
schestowitzXRevan86: maybe a year?Jun 22 00:25
schestowitzNo bad deed goes unrewardedJun 22 00:25
schestowitzand no good deed goes unpunishedJun 22 00:25
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XRevan86 22 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Interview with Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access – The GNOME FoundationJun 22 00:25
XRevan86speaking of thatJun 22 00:25
XRevan86> we’re confident that most of our customers are using GNU/Linux in some form, whether on their desktop or mobile deviceJun 22 00:25
DaemonFCWell, I just had a car accident.Jun 22 00:26
XRevan86I only now noticed how beautiful this sentence is.Jun 22 00:26
DaemonFCAnd I was cited with failure to yield, by a cop that wasn't even there, without any other witnesses.Jun 22 00:26
XRevan86most of PIA's customers used N9/N900 in 2013? :)Jun 22 00:26
schestowitzcar accident -> scoailJun 22 00:26
schestowitzwe were talking about techJun 22 00:26
MinceRmaybe laptops are mobile too :>Jun 22 00:26
schestowitzXRevan86: no, android maybeJun 22 00:26
schestowitzbut not GNUJun 22 00:26
XRevan86schestowitz: Exactly.Jun 22 00:27
MinceRor they had a GNU chroot on top of androidJun 22 00:27
MinceRi didJun 22 00:27
schestowitzGulag is still trying to replace the GJun 22 00:27
schestowitzgnu and gpJun 22 00:27
schestowitzthen they become oooooh! lagggggg...Jun 22 00:27
XRevan86Pretty sure rasengan just didn't know the difference.Jun 22 00:27
schestowitzbut their lousy little kernel, after all this time, was demoted to unsaid "devices"Jun 22 00:28
schestowitzFreenode is FOSSJun 22 00:28
schestowitzApple is FreenodeJun 22 00:28
schestowitzFreenode is KapeJun 22 00:28
schestowitzKape is PIAJun 22 00:28
schestowitzPia is WaughJun 22 00:28
schestowitzWaugh is GNOME FoundationJun 22 00:28
schestowitzJeff and Pia divorcedJun 22 00:28
schestowitz(the Waughs)Jun 22 00:29
schestowitztrue story btwJun 22 00:29
activelowfor technical reasons already i considered dropping entire widget toolkits including gtk and qt, not sure what remained with motif or gnustepJun 22 00:29
schestowitzhe did so much damage to gnomeJun 22 00:29
XRevan86activelow: Tk? %)Jun 22 00:29
schestowitzlater opened up in his  blog about having chronic depressionJun 22 00:29
activelowXRevan86: why not?Jun 22 00:29
schestowitzXRevan86: or be a lagrange and sue SDL2 for software, not games :-)Jun 22 00:30
schestowitz*useJun 22 00:30
activelowonly problem i had then was to explain this to EU labor market and to my mother what i was doing with my timeJun 22 00:30
schestowitzsome truly weird toolkit that is...Jun 22 00:30
XRevan86schestowitz: It's not really a widget toolkit though.Jun 22 00:30
schestowitznone of them areJun 22 00:31
kingoffrancelinked other day, from   -> 22 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Happy Fun Ball :amiga:: "I'm concerned about a few things with modern deve…" - hackers.townJun 22 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Post-Mortem in 5 Acts, of How Microsoft Privatized Open Source, killing JavaScript in the Process | by Alex Kleydints | ClarityJun 22 00:31
schestowitzthey extended beyond widgetJun 22 00:31
schestowitzqt is trying to be everythingJun 22 00:31
kingoffrancequote "Although Open Source grew inside capitalism, it’s values weirdly weren’t part of that capitalistic world-view. That’s why, from day one, it was bound for destruction at some point or another."Jun 22 00:31
schestowitzwhen I did gtk they had gdk tooJun 22 00:31
XRevan86schestowitz: SDL is the oppositeJun 22 00:31
MinceRQt was trying to be a cross-platform portability toolkitJun 22 00:32
XRevan86There are some rudimentary widgets, but SDL is simply not about that.Jun 22 00:32
MinceRthen it also became half a window managerJun 22 00:32
MinceRthen it also became a web browserJun 22 00:32
MinceRthen it also became another web browserJun 22 00:32
schestowitz[17:43] <schestowitz> You know Qt has given up on Free software when... ⚓  e-silicon ䷉ #qt  Jun 22 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Jun 22 00:32
activelowanyone willing to provide funding for free software distro? latest greatest features are no-GTK, no-QT, no-CUPSJun 22 00:33
schestowitz e-siliconJun 22 00:33
schestowitz 22 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qt on Apple SiliconJun 22 00:33
schestowitzCUPS is dead anywayJun 22 00:33
schestowitzit was 'forked'Jun 22 00:33
schestowitzbecause of neglect by AppleJun 22 00:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Um, it's not dead.Jun 22 00:33
XRevan86 it's still CUPSJun 22 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - OpenPrinting/cups: OpenPrinting CUPS SourcesJun 22 00:34
activelowpython was attacked already too: waf and rust, consider this potentially gone soon tooJun 22 00:34
schestowitz 22 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PAPPL 1.0 RC1 Released With A Goal To Replace CUPS Printer Drivers - PhoronixJun 22 00:34
activelowi removed CUPS for technical reasons, which was the service daemon insisted on root-privileges, while crappy old lprng did notJun 22 00:34
schestowitzThey would be wiser not to use GitHubJun 22 00:35
kingoffrancethis too, seems similar to "big foss" i.e. lets lament "open source" dying;  i dont think you have to a take a strict "free sw" v "open source"  just if you do take that view, then "big foss" "open source is dying" are all distraction/noiseJun 22 00:35
kingoffrance(the quote about "open source")Jun 22 00:35
XRevan86schestowitz: As ye may notice, the person behind CUPS now is still Michael Sweet.Jun 22 00:35
schestowitz 22 00:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CUPS' Founder Releases PAPPL 1.0 As Modern Printer Application Framework - PhoronixJun 22 00:35
XRevan86And PAPPL depends on CUPSJun 22 00:36
schestowitzApple pappelJun 22 00:36
schestowitzthey killed CUPSJun 22 00:36
kingoffrancemaybe other way to say that: without being "grounded" in something that isnt ever-shifting, people can easily be "2 steps forward, 1 step back" routed into long term destructionJun 22 00:36
schestowitzneglectsJun 22 00:36
schestowitzsuits themJun 22 00:36
XRevan86schestowitz: CUPS is dead… on macOS.Jun 22 00:36
activelowplan B: uboot and begin writing a new kernelJun 22 00:36
XRevan86it's doing fine on GNU/LinuxJun 22 00:36
activelowuboot is the last line of defenseJun 22 00:36
schestowitzit won't be dead when macOS is deadJun 22 00:37
techrights-bot/fnOpen Hardware/Modding: Wilson the IoT Hat (Arduino), Purism, and COVID Patient Health Assessment Device • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Hardware/Modding: Wilson the IoT Hat (Arduino), Purism, and COVID Patient Health Assessment Device | Tux MachinesJun 22 00:37
XRevan86schestowitz: And? CUPS is doing fine.Jun 22 00:38
XRevan86decoupled from Apple and macOSJun 22 00:38
schestowitzgoodJun 22 00:38
XRevan86yesJun 22 00:38
schestowitzwe've been tested a lot, constantlyJun 22 00:39
schestowitzSCOJun 22 00:39
schestowitzNovelllJun 22 00:39
MinceRare the things crApple ripped out still gone?Jun 22 00:39
schestowitzGitHub Jun 22 00:39
schestowitzsystemdJun 22 00:39
schestowitzwe need to respond to these thingsJun 22 00:39
schestowitznow 'free'n0d3Jun 22 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: There was a patchset that is mainline CUPS now.Jun 22 00:39
MinceRhave they de-crApple-ified the web UI?Jun 22 00:41
kingoffrance"Microsoft was able to piggy-back on the disorganized and leaderless open-source community and did this without any noticeable resistance."Jun 22 00:41
XRevan86MinceR: no ideaJun 22 00:41
kingoffrancei think that is dangerous -- no, there were (self appointed perhaps) leaders and positions  of power were infiltrated  (or that was always the goal, if you want to go there)Jun 22 00:42
schestowitzkingoffrance: "openJS" = MicrosoftJun 22 00:42
schestowitzled by a mole from Edelman, MicrosoftJun 22 00:42
kingoffranceyesJun 22 00:42
schestowitzthe PR liars that did "OpenATMicrosoft"Jun 22 00:42
schestowitzshe infiltrated the LFJun 22 00:42
kingoffranceor they made self-appointed "leaders" in order to steer thingsJun 22 00:42
schestowitzand not bosses TorvaldsJun 22 00:42
kingoffranceyepJun 22 00:42
schestowitzEdelman inside LFJun 22 00:42
schestowitzalso their last CMOJun 22 00:42
schestowitzEdelmanJun 22 00:42
schestowitznew: 22 00:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edelman PR and the Manufacturing of “Trust” - unlimitedhangout.comJun 22 00:43
schestowitzolder: 22 00:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Irony of Calling America a "Banana Republic" - CounterPunch.orgJun 22 00:43
schestowitzMicrosoft = cultJun 22 00:43
schestowitzLF = marketingJun 22 00:43
schestowitzLFsoft = marketing cultJun 22 00:43
schestowitzTorvalds needs to out asap and take the trademark with himJun 22 00:43
schestowitzbefore Linux becomes just another new brand for covax or whateverJun 22 00:44
kingoffrancemaybe it is splitting hairs, but its double-edged sword to have "leaders".   theres always leaders, its just overt or covert.  theres always "disorganized" too, its a way "leaders" hide by saying well you know i guess people choose this thing, it wasnt "steered" by any "leaders"Jun 22 00:44
schestowitzBill was led by his micro-softJun 22 00:44
schestowitzand by the charm of a sex traffickerJun 22 00:44
activelowit is the entire legal framework of EUJun 22 00:44
schestowitzwhom he someone could not resistJun 22 00:44
kingoffrancepropaganda perhaps is, the art of leaders steering "disorganized" people and convincing them they wanted an outcome and werent led into itJun 22 00:45
schestowitzeven went to visit him in prison, trying to figure out how to rescue himJun 22 00:45
activelowEU officials are still aggressively agitating for this "privatization", in parallel to issueing ridiculous fake anti-trust rulings against the entities they had supported before by privatizingJun 22 00:45
kingoffrancethe propagandist "leaders" must hide and convince people it was all spontaneous uprising of the disorganizedJun 22 00:45
activelowthere isn't at least minimum wage and rudimentary social security applied with any legal construction surrounding this "privatized" madhouseJun 22 00:46
activelowincluding big telcoJun 22 00:46
kingoffranceso, perhaps "open source" was disorganized and leaderless, perhaps on purpose. its not that i disagree this left a vacuum, but "microsoft" if they are responsible, people should name names if they think suchJun 22 00:47
kingoffrance*left a vacuum if it was the caseJun 22 00:48
kingoffrancebecause ms fanboys are just gonna spit that "yall hate ms so bad, haters"Jun 22 00:48
kingoffrance*spinJun 22 00:48
MinceRthey're going to do that anywayJun 22 00:48
MinceRthat has been on repeat for decadesJun 22 00:48
MinceRpeople don't want microshit to own them only because they're "haters"Jun 22 00:48
kingoffranceat some point you can show people a memo with deliberate strategy and they will still lalalalala i cant hear you,   i just think its a trap to say open source was non-capitalist, and now that means by default if you dont want ms owning you you must be a dirty no good commieJun 22 00:50
kingoffranceminor issue, but it is doing ms's marketing for themJun 22 00:51
kingoffranceim ambivalent, correctly says for-profit companies dont just offer "free stuff" without strings attachedJun 22 00:52
kingoffranceits not so simple, its just i thought open source was the "business friendly" thingJun 22 00:55
kingoffranceso kind of seems 180 (ignoring what it is true or not, my perceptions may be off)Jun 22 00:56
activelowi roughly estimated the balance sheet discrepancies already, including destroyed capital and damages alltogether, who knowsJun 22 00:59
activelowand i've got enough evidence tooJun 22 00:59
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▆▄▅▅▆▅▅▆▄▃▅▆▃▄▂▃▆▄▃▅▆▃▄▅▄▆▅▅▅▆▅▃▂▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 22.31 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 12.15▕ swarm size (avg): 308.01  ⟲Jun 22 00:59
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kingoffrancebasically "Although Open Source grew inside capitalism, it’s values weirdly weren’t part of that capitalistic world-view. "  not to diverge, just i think many would disagree with that statement, open source was the business-friendly tone-down-the-freedom movementJun 22 01:02
kingoffrancei think author is just young perhaps, not accusing them of anything ,anyways, enoughJun 22 01:02
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MinceRwell, tone down they didJun 22 01:06
MinceRto 0Jun 22 01:06
kingoffrancemaybe, ever-shifting goal posts means if you dont go along with the shifts you get branded "extremist" so it becomes all just noise at that pointJun 22 01:08
kingoffrancedevolves into pure perception/marketingJun 22 01:09
kingoffranceall values get destroyed Jun 22 01:09
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activelowa rough estimate of capital damages (not individual income) here is a handful of dozens of millions of coins worth of securities/assets destroyed (unrelated to the freenode spook)Jun 22 01:14
*kingoffrance pours gas on fire. Jun 22 01:29
kingoffrancei think this applies to bloat tooJun 22 01:29
kingoffrancenot that im sure you would want metrics, but its always gonna be "32G of ram is normal now, nothing to see here, ..."   ratios might be only way to handle that, if one were so inclinedJun 22 01:30
kingoffranceratios of ram usage to some particular system or base, whateverJun 22 01:30
kingoffrancewithout a defined base, "bloat" is always handwaved awayJun 22 01:31
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activelowunaltered trend is +20% bloat or more each yearJun 22 01:38
kingoffrancenot that i doubt, but any references for that?Jun 22 01:39
kingoffranceeven anecdotal is fineJun 22 01:39
activelowlines of code in GCC, lines of code in Kernel, number of commitsJun 22 01:40
activelowfrom year 2003 i remember the mountains of telco standards stockpiled, didn't look back anymoreJun 22 01:43
activelowoutside the realm of "big foss" there's "big telco" tooJun 22 01:43
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▂▆▇▄▅▆▅▆▂▅▅▅▃▄▆▆▆▆▄▅▅▆▇▃▆▅▅▅▆▇▂▄▂▃▄▁ avg(k/sec) 26.01 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▂▃▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 9.01▕ swarm size (avg): 308.78  ⟲Jun 22 01:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The BusinessJun 22 02:04
AdmFubar 22 02:08
AdmFubarBut is anyone actually stealing it?Jun 22 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is trying to stop the distribution of the leaked Windows 11 ISO using DMCA - gHacks Tech NewsJun 22 02:08
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MinceRlolJun 22 02:13
MinceRgotta have new icons and rounded cornersJun 22 02:14
AdmFubarI think ms is try to get people to steal it so they can say their install numbers are up..Jun 22 02:19
psydroid> Not sure if scientes is around, but just in case: 22 02:27
psydroidМне нравится эта песня. Я иногда слJun 22 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Борис Гребенщиков. Песня про наводнение в Керчи (Пародия) - YouTubeJun 22 02:27
XRevan86psydroid: Слушаешь Гребенщикова?Jun 22 02:28
psydroidслушаю русский альбомJun 22 02:29
psydroidXRevan86, волки и вороны :)Jun 22 02:30
psydroidДаJun 22 02:30
XRevan86psydroid: А суть песни про Аксёнова оценил? :)Jun 22 02:31
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psydroidXRevan86, я не понял всё :)Jun 22 02:39
psydroidI want to spend July working on my Russian among other thingsJun 22 02:39
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XRevan86Anyway, a surprisingly good song for a parody with a political statement :)Jun 22 02:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's Link Tax | TechdirtJun 22 02:40
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psydroid:)Jun 22 02:41
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kingoffranceschestowitz, more or less finished l0derview except last 1/2 is not related so didnt see need to finish.  l0de says andrew was cleaning out "open source" people, and l0de says he himself was trying to destroy freenode for 20 years so it is sweet.  l0de i interpret 1/2 serious 1/2 not.;   my opinion: nothing of substance worth talking about, stick with whatever you consider real issues/work/etc.Jun 22 02:53
kingoffranceunless you want to do an article about GNAA or somethingJun 22 02:54
kingoffranceor whatever it isJun 22 02:54
XRevan86> In the next week or two we're going to continue, you know, finding toxic channels and closing them down.Jun 22 02:54
XRevan86This was a good quote though.Jun 22 02:55
XRevan86kingoffrance: The interview doesn't give much about what is planned for freenode, but does shed light on what kind of person rasengan is.Jun 22 02:55
kingoffrancesure, agree.  and it comes off as optics to me and for the lolzJun 22 02:56
XRevan86l0de was definitely having fun.Jun 22 02:56
kingoffranceoptics as in, true or not, "hurl back the allegation" that people saying other people are toxic are toxic.   just doesnt seem something i want to jump in the middle of when stuff is being thrownJun 22 02:56
XRevan86kingoffrance: So far the definition of toxicity was whether a person is on board with the new vision.Jun 22 02:57
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kingoffrance"Deny, v.t. See Hurl Back the Allegation"     its not too immature for me, just noise/signal ratio i dont see any reason to jump in againJun 22 02:59
kingoffranceand (dont use myself) there seems consensus ircclown ban or whatever was over personal disputeJun 22 03:01
kingoffranceXRevan86, thats what i mean, anyone who uses "toxic" i will step out and let them fightJun 22 03:03
kingoffrancei dont think you win by trying to "claim" it or whateverJun 22 03:04
XRevan86kingoffrance: It's only free speech when it aligns with the freedom party line.Jun 22 03:04
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kingoffranceXRevan86, thats also kind of what i meant by my jurassic park analogy :)Jun 22 03:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Even creepier COVID tracking: Google silently pushed app to users’ phones [Updated] | Ars TechnicaJun 22 03:24
psydroidGoogle owns your "smart" "phone", not youJun 22 03:27
AdmFubar 22 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Black fungus” surges in India—thousands blinded, maimed, dead | Ars TechnicaJun 22 03:28
AdmFubarthis is getting worse...Jun 22 03:28
activelowgerman mobile network operator seeks to forcibly phase out my old mobile phone with the argument they wouldn't support 3G anymore and 4G is mandatory, didn't support any covid app eitherJun 22 03:38
activelowwell, this mobile too supports 2G operation, i'll wait and see what happens, 2G fallback was mandatory iirc, they cannot shut it down except if they lock out by IMEI intentionallyJun 22 03:39
AdmFubarno more old style landline in the usa either, no one make the equipment anymore.Jun 22 03:48
AdmFubar 22 03:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Collection Of Linux Tools On Steroids | HackadayJun 22 03:51
activelowno.Jun 22 03:56
AdmFubarok I'm outta here for the night...Jun 22 03:58
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psydroidI read that name as AI (as in HEY HI) WilliamsJun 22 04:17
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techrights-bot/fn#Techrights Bulletin for Monday, June 21, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextJun 22 05:20
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techrights-bot/fnA Collection Of #GNU #Linux Tools On Steroids | Hackaday ⚓ ䷉ #hackaday | more in 22 05:30
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schestowitzpsydroid: HI HI to you too, williamJun 22 05:31
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #NTP ☞ Deprecating ntpdate 22 07:01
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #MartinThoresen ☞ Expanding TeX's \newif 22 07:01
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #SanDiegoUnionTribune #OpenAccess ☞ Opinion: Textbooks are expensive. Universities should use Open Educational Resources instead. 22 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion: Textbooks are expensive. Universities should use Open Educational Resources instead. - The San Diego Union-TribuneJun 22 07:02
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #DigitalHealth #Standards ☞ #NHS Digital launches its Terminology Server to help boost data sharing 22 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NHS Digital launches its Terminology Server to help boost data sharingJun 22 07:02
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Cyber agency says SolarWinds [crack] could have been deterred by simple security measures 22 07:09
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #YLE #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Police: Looming non-EU import delays likely to increase scams 22 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police: Looming non-EU import delays likely to increase scams | Yle Uutiset | yle.fiJun 22 07:09
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Inside a ransomware attack: how dark webs of cybercriminals collaborate to pull one off 22 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Inside a ransomware attack: how dark webs of cybercriminals collaborate to pull one off, IT News, ET CIOJun 22 07:10
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ Carnival Cruise says customer data exposed in breach 22 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Carnival Cruise says customer data exposed in breach | TheHillJun 22 07:13
CrystalMathpsydroid: hey are you still on freenode?Jun 22 07:13
CrystalMathsomeone wants to contact youJun 22 07:13
CrystalMathwho doesn't want to come hereJun 22 07:14
schestowitzmany people are still on freenode but not very active thereJun 22 07:14
schestowitzthere's a bad atmosphere there of intimidation and shameJun 22 07:14
CrystalMathhey i'm active thereJun 22 07:17
CrystalMathjust not on this channel there, because the stupid bridge pings me :PJun 22 07:17
CrystalMathand i wish you had IPv6 so i can connect my bouncerJun 22 07:17
schestowitzpainful to watch what happened to the network so fastJun 22 07:19
schestowitzone blunder after anotherJun 22 07:19
schestowitzbefore you can even digest the ramification of the previous oneJun 22 07:20
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice -- Part 15 will be published today or tomorrow. It is the finale of the series about #epo #corruption #injustice #coverup and #kangarooCourtsJun 22 07:22
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Censorship ☞ #Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams 22 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams - The VergeJun 22 07:25
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #SaudiGazette #Censorship ☞ Procedures for release of foreign publications being expedited 22 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Procedures for release of foreign publications being expedited - Saudi GazetteJun 22 07:25
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #MSPoweruser #Censorship ☞ #Microsoft ’s #Tiananmen Square fiasco draws the attention of Republican law makers 22 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft's Tiananmen Square fiasco draws the attention of Republican law makers - MSPoweruserJun 22 07:26
techrights-bot/fn"Movements and businesses need funding and the less talked about problem is the payment processors. And I would argue that companies like Stripe, Paypal, Mastercard, Visa, all hold way more power than any social media platform like Facebook could ever dream of having because these companies are what allow you to even spend your money on the Internet." <clipped message>Jun 22 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.comJun 22 07:27
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Monopolies ☞ #Amazon Could Be Forced To Sell Logistics Business Under Bill 22 07:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jun 22 07:31
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #IndianExpress #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ Explained: What is music acquisition, and why is it now so popular among the world’s financial giants? 22 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Explained: What is music acquisition, and why is it now so popular among the world’s financial giants? | Explained News,The Indian ExpressJun 22 07:32
techrights-bot/fn#billgates name omitted see 22 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ghislaine Maxwell 'taught Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey how to give oral sex' | Daily Mail OnlineJun 22 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York TimesJun 22 07:32
techrights-bot/fn"Splitting the daily navigation across HTTP and Gemini is becoming frustrating, I'd like to do everything inside the Geminspace..." "Meanwhile I would be happy if this/terminal browsers like lynx. W3m, etc simply gained Gemini support." #curl also. 22 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to GeminiJun 22 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to GeminiJun 22 07:35
techrights-bot/fnThis is true. #geminiProtocol needs more love from #gnu #linux repos/package maintainers: "I think majority of these TUI web browsers are just kept alive by the distros maintainers and their development is quite staled..." 22 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to GeminiJun 22 07:36
schestowitzis it a good idea to mention in the blog that bully de blanc is no longer employed?Jun 22 07:38
schestowitzI think it would be in "bad taste"Jun 22 07:39
schestowitzkicking someone while downJun 22 07:39
schestowitzand nevertheless, it shows that those online mobbing tactics are not a good career patJun 22 07:39
schestowitzthus sending out a bit of a messageJun 22 07:39
schestowitzif you can think of a tactful way to bring this up, let me know...Jun 22 07:39
schestowitz 22 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.ioJun 22 07:40
schestowitzmore removals!Jun 22 07:40
schestowitz"I have to go with my heart on this one." 22 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Add myself (Ariadne Conill). by kaniini · Pull Request #44 · rms-open-letter/ · GitHubJun 22 07:40
schestowitzThank you, Ariadne, you are awesome!Jun 22 07:40
schestowitz(I will not mention this in Techrights BTW)Jun 22 07:41
techrights-bot/fn6,764 people have signed "open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" -- a reactionary petition to one that will soon lose enough signature to fall below 3,000. #gnu #freesw #sharing #FreeSoftware #gplJun 22 07:43
Ariadneleave molly aloneJun 22 07:44
schestowitzyesJun 22 07:44
schestowitzit's in bad tasteJun 22 07:44
schestowitzlike I saidJun 22 07:44
Ariadnealso i wouldn't thank me for making a politically calculated decisionJun 22 07:44
Ariadnei'm hardly RMS's greatest fanJun 22 07:45
schestowitzI know, not many people are, so that would be framing it with a straw manJun 22 07:45
Ariadnei would rather spend my time prosecuting actually active threat actors rather than passive issues like RMSJun 22 07:45
schestowitzhe needs to sort things out in FSF for succession and allJun 22 07:45
Ariadnemy purpose of removing myself from the RMS letter is so that i can focus on prosecuting actual threat actors, who use the letter as a strawmanJun 22 07:46
schestowitzyou were right about freecodeJun 22 07:46
schestowitz*nodeJun 22 07:46
schestowitzis freecode still around at all?Jun 22 07:46
*schestowitz checksJun 22 07:46
schestowitz 22 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freecode: Difference between revisions - WikipediaJun 22 07:47
schestowitzI used to have some projects thereJun 22 07:47
schestowitzas freshmeatJun 22 07:47
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Murdoch #Australis #internet ☞ As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's #LinkTax 22 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's Link Tax | TechdirtJun 22 07:48
Ariadnethe letter issue also causes problems with trying to actually nudge the FSF in a more fruitful directionJun 22 07:49
schestowitzCalling for removal of a founder leads to itJun 22 07:49
schestowitzI did not have sway on Novell from within by saying boycott NovellJun 22 07:49
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schestowitzbut sway from outside NovellJun 22 07:49
schestowitzthough we did try for 1-2 weeks before the siteJun 22 07:50
schestowitzto sway from the inside as SUSE usersJun 22 07:50
schestowitzBruce Perens also set up a popular petition at TechnocratJun 22 07:50
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TruthOut #Surveillance ☞ Coalition Demands Federal Ban on Amazon's Punitive Worker Surveillance 22 07:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coalition Demands Federal Ban on Amazon's Punitive Worker SurveillanceJun 22 07:51
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #CraigMurray #wikileaks ☞ #Assange Is Still in Jail "despite never being sentenced for anything"Jun 22 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Assange Is Still in Jail - Craig MurrayJun 22 07:52
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Privacy ☞ Researchers: 2G Connection #Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions 22 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers: 2G Connection Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions | TechdirtJun 22 07:53
techrights-bot/fnKeep him in orbit 22 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Petition Demanding Amazon's Jeff Bezos Be Banned From Returning To Earth After Space Flight Garners Nearly 50,000 Signatures | Cracked.comJun 22 07:54
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Raspberry Pi R2D2 console (plus tons of other Star Wars projects) 22 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Raspberry Pi R2D2 console (plus tons of other Star Wars projects) - Raspberry PiJun 22 07:55
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techrights-bot/fnWhen “politics free zones” are set up what this really means is “do not disagree with the politics of the admin”. 22 08:02
techrights-bot/fn"I was shocked to hear that #Europol keeps illegally storing bulk data on non-suspects for years. Innocent citizens run the risk of being wrongfully suspected of having committed crimes." 22 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "🇬🇧 I was shocked to hear that #Europol keeps ille…" - chaos.socialJun 22 08:03
techrights-bot/fn#nitter instances that I use to keep abreast of some replies to me (so that I do not have to give Twitter traffic) keep perishing. I think I'm already on the firth instance so far this year (they keep going down after a while online)... like Twitter, they lack a business modelJun 22 08:05
techrights-bot/fn"a problem as I see with centralized walled gardens pushing alt-right content on all their users, because that drives engagement. [...] onopolised, centralized social media is a monoculture where mind viruses can spread unchecked." 22 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rysiekúr Memesson: " monopoli…" - MastodonJun 22 08:07
techrights-bot/fn2021–06–20: #Pinephone keyboard's firmware #I2C interface #gnu #linuxJun 22 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | megi's PinePhone Development LogJun 22 08:09
techrights-bot/fnAI = Proprietary algorithm #HeyHi #ProprietarySoftware #buzzwords #misnomerJun 22 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖: "Never forget: AI = Proprietary algorithm Every …" - MastodonJun 22 08:10
techrights-bot/fn"It will require large tech platforms to open up to interoperability, so you can leave the platform for a rival without losing contact with your friends, communities, audiences and customers." 22 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "Last week, Congress introduced the ACCESS Act, on…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréJun 22 08:11
techrights-bot/fn"By lowering the switching cost of walking away from Big Tech, Congress could create space for co-ops, tinkerers, nonprofits, startups and public services to create small, user-centered communities built on giving people technological self-determination." 22 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "By lowering the switching cost of walking away fr…" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréJun 22 08:11
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #EFF @doctorow ☞ The new #ACCESSAct is a good start. Here’s how to make sure it delivers. 22 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The new ACCESS Act is a good start. Here’s how to make sure it delivers. | Electronic Frontier FoundationJun 22 08:13
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity ☞ How Cyber Safe is Your Drinking Water Supply? 22 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Cyber Safe is Your Drinking Water Supply? – Krebs on SecurityJun 22 08:13
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Tor #torproject ☞ New Release: #TorBrowser 10.0.18 22 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.18 | Tor BlogJun 22 08:14
techrights-bot/fn#Debian 10.10 #LXQt I've been using it for a while, but back to #kde ... wife also tried it, also back to KDE. Same OS.Jun 22 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian 10.10 LXQtJun 22 08:15
techrights-bot/fn#debian Junichi Uekawa: "Updated my simple web recording app to support multiple cameras and selecting from it. WebRecord. I didn't need it until today because I didn't use a device with more than one camera as often, but I got hold of a HDMI USB capture device and that changed the game." 22 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Updated my simple web recording app to support multiple cameras and selecting from it.Jun 22 08:18
techrights-bot/fnNice to see the choice of #openStreetMap instead of something #gafam in #sharing #opendataJun 22 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ )Jun 22 08:20
techrights-bot/fnA Collection Of #GNU #Linux Tools On Steroids • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Collection Of Linux Tools On Steroids | Tux MachinesJun 22 08:22
techrights-bot/fnMichael Kerrisk (manpages): man-pages-5.12 released • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #gnu #linuxJun 22 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Michael Kerrisk (manpages): man-pages-5.12 released | Tux MachinesJun 22 08:23
techrights-bot/fnCranks: vaccines are for depopulation. Actually, what's more likely, that COVID itself will cause depopulation or something that LOWERS death rates (from COVID) causing 'depopulation'? Of course the cranks don't think so far, do they?Jun 22 08:25
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #FB ☞ No, Facebook's Argument In Response To Muslim Advocates' Lawsuit Is Not 'Awkward'; #Facebook Caving On 230 Is What's Awkward 22 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, Facebook's Argument In Response To Muslim Advocates' Lawsuit Is Not 'Awkward'; Facebook Caving On 230 Is What's Awkward | TechdirtJun 22 08:26
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Net #Internet ☞ Glitches And Greed Mar Effort To Bring COVID Relief To US #Broadband Users 22 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glitches And Greed Mar Effort To Bring COVID Relief To US Broadband Users | TechdirtJun 22 08:29
techrights-bot/fnJulian #assange turns 50 #wikileaksJun 22 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Assange Week - Julian turns 50 - Don't Extradite AssangeJun 22 08:30
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #EU Court: Copyright Trolls Can Target #BitTorrent Pirates Provided Claims Aren't 'Abusive' 22 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Court: Copyright Trolls Can Target BitTorrent Pirates Provided Claims Aren't 'Abusive' * TorrentFreakJun 22 08:31
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver #Quad9 (Updated) 22 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 (Updated) * TorrentFreakJun 22 08:31
techrights-bot/fnThe war on #dns is no longer motivated by #nationalSecurity pretexts but protection of BUSINESS interests, including unjust #monopolies ... in #ipfs we have #ipns to help replace and obviate away DNS. Let's do it! Does that support crime? No! In China you get in trouble just for wanting an election.Jun 22 08:33
techrights-bot/fn#patent #patents #monopolies #greed #racism 22 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | End Vaccine Apartheid: Summit on Vaccine Internationalism Demands Urgent Action to Help Global South | Democracy Now!Jun 22 08:33
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XRevan86> Moving from #freenode to #liberaChat is like moving from #centOS to #RHEL after #IBM showed its truly ugly face. The real solution is moving towards independence, be it self-hosting or community-led (REAL communities!) distros!Jun 22 10:57
XRevan86Uh, more like to Rocky Linux, except completely independent somehow.Jun 22 10:58
XRevan86What a strange analogy.Jun 22 10:58
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schestowitzXRevan86: they are not independentJun 22 11:06
schestowitzI was thinking more like GentooJun 22 11:06
schestowitzMAYBE even Debian... maybeJun 22 11:07
schestowitzthough companies poison that too since decades ago Jun 22 11:07
XRevan86schestowitz: CentOS and RHEL are IBM products, Rocky Linux is based on RHEL, i.e. an IBM product.  Libera Chat is completely independent from freenode, Ltd.Jun 22 11:08
immibisXRevan86: it makes sense if you believe IBM is the old freenode staffJun 22 11:10
immibisand that they lost their jobs because they tried to do cancel culture and andrew stood up to themJun 22 11:10
XRevan86immibis: In that case RHEL and CentOS are… free from IBM now?Jun 22 11:10
MinceRXRevan86: libera is run by the same people who ran freenodeJun 22 11:13
MinceRand some of them are the problemJun 22 11:13
XRevan86How is that in any way like CentOS?Jun 22 11:14
MinceRcentos sucks in exactly the same way in which rHELL sucksJun 22 11:19
XRevan86MinceR: And?\Jun 22 11:20
XRevan86(except for the strings attached just to use RHEL)Jun 22 11:21
MinceRand libera sucks in exactly the same way in which old freenode suckedJun 22 11:21
XRevan86MinceR: Wouldn't an XMMS and Audacious analogy work much better?Jun 22 11:23
XRevan86except that XMMS wasn't taken overJun 22 11:23
MinceRno, because those are both pretty goodJun 22 11:24
MinceRand freeJun 22 11:24
XRevan86CentOS was sold and then ruined, in that way Rocky Linux is a lot like Libera Chat, brought up by some former CentOS folkJun 22 11:25
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Ariadne[05:21] <MinceR> and libera sucks in exactly the same way in which old freenode suckedJun 22 11:26
AriadneehhJun 22 11:26
immibisAriadne: it was run by cancel culture libtard SJWs, don't you see?Jun 22 11:27
Ariadnea lot of freenode problems were driven by a vacuum of governanceJun 22 11:27
Ariadneimmibis: i do understand that framing but i don’t think it is usefulJun 22 11:27
immibis> i do understand that framingJun 22 11:28
immibisoh no, she's turning alt-rightJun 22 11:28
Ariadnei meant the argumentJun 22 11:28
schestowitzsometimes governance itself can be the cause of issues for some projectsJun 22 11:28
schestowitzbecause not everyone wants to be bossedJun 22 11:29
Ariadnea lot of the lack of consistency in moderation of freenode was simply because freenode staff just did what they felt was right individually Jun 22 11:29
schestowitzcertainly not volunteersJun 22 11:29
schestowitzand they were put off by Lee's governnanceJun 22 11:29
Ariadnelibera has actual governanceJun 22 11:29
Ariadnei think they deserve the benefit of the doubtJun 22 11:29
schestowitzyes, but...Jun 22 11:29
Ariadnehow they operate from what i see is quite a bit different than old freenode actuallyJun 22 11:29
schestowitzmy analogy was imperfect, but I lacked a perfect parableJun 22 11:29
schestowitzbecause centos is owned by IBMJun 22 11:30
Ariadnechristel was largely the person responsible for “canceling” random projects prior to leeJun 22 11:30
Ariadneshe would literally show upJun 22 11:30
schestowitzfunny you brought up governanceJun 22 11:30
Ariadneand tell projects do XYZ or elseJun 22 11:30
schestowitzas I was just bringing that up in "Neil’s Misgovernment"Jun 22 11:30
Ariadnechristel is goneJun 22 11:30
schestowitzit's like GNOME FOundation is governed by IBM, Google. Microsoft...Jun 22 11:30
schestowitzthe community plays no roleJun 22 11:31
Ariadnethe people who run libera are largely trustworthy Jun 22 11:31
schestowitzno REAL roleJun 22 11:31
schestowitz 22 11:31
Ariadnelibera wants its community to play a real roleJun 22 11:31
Ariadnethey are working on mechanisms to enable thatJun 22 11:31
XRevan86Lee was given so much benefit of the doubt, and he didn't deserve it.Jun 22 11:31
Ariadnefreenode never wanted thatJun 22 11:31
schestowitzthey also ban parts of the communityJun 22 11:31
schestowitzso it's biased towards a particular outcomeJun 22 11:31
schestowitznot just alongside free swJun 22 11:31
Ariadnewhat parts of the community have libera banned?Jun 22 11:32
schestowitzthere seems to be this intent: 22 11:32
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schestowitznow, I'm not defending alt reich, but...Jun 22 11:32
Ariadnejoepie91 is not a libera stafferJun 22 11:32
schestowitzit starts like thisJun 22 11:32
schestowitzok, goodJun 22 11:33
schestowitzthat he's not a stafferJun 22 11:33
Ariadneand he’s entitled to ban whoever he wants on his channelsJun 22 11:33
*XRevan86 wonders if freenode would've taken over his channels over this.Jun 22 11:34
Ariadnei can tell you based on experience if you give alt-right people an inch they will take a lot more than an inchJun 22 11:34
Ariadneso, it is really best to not tolerate the behaviorJun 22 11:34
Ariadnethe alt right got their foot in pleroma’s door and that has largely been devastating to the projectJun 22 11:35
psydroidCrystalMath, thank you for the heads-up, I am still on Freenode and will reply to the messages and e-mailsJun 22 11:35
Ariadnefunding and manpower lostJun 22 11:35
Ariadnethe beauty of foss isJun 22 11:36
Ariadnethe alt right can go fork my code and do whatever they want with itJun 22 11:36
Ariadnei don’t have to tolerate them in my spacesJun 22 11:36
Ariadnebut to let them into a space is to basically say trolling is fineJun 22 11:37
Ariadneand once you say that there’s no rolling it backJun 22 11:37
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XRevan86Ariadne: I think the problem is that "alt-right ideology" is not as clearly defined as one may think, so when something like that is forbidden, one wonders if that means them.Jun 22 11:39
gustafthanks for the link Ariadne Jun 22 11:40
XRevan86like "I'm not a yes-man for all the trends on Twitter, does that mean I'm alt-right?"Jun 22 11:40
gustafgood readJun 22 11:40
XRevan86Irrespective of whether that view is correct, I think that's what people fear.Jun 22 11:40
schestowitzwhich link?Jun 22 11:41
AriadneXRevan86: yes, this is why i explicitly say what my boundaries areJun 22 11:41
schestowitzinsurrection is past the boundariesJun 22 11:41
schestowitzor people making jokes about running over "liberals" (they call that people who don't agree with them)Jun 22 11:42
Ariadnefor example, i'm not going to work with people who advance the ideological viewpoint that i should not have the right to live my life as i see fitJun 22 11:42
Ariadneand, i demonstrated that by leaving pleroma when they gave gleason commit accessJun 22 11:42
Ariadnefreedom of speech does not mean that people are obligated to continue their association with you after you say things that are fundamentally incompatibleJun 22 11:43
schestowitzwas a link sent in another channel?Jun 22 11:44
XRevan86gustaf: The link?Jun 22 11:44
XRevan86I haven't checked, but I think the last link from Ariadne was 22 11:44
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Ariadnepocock, for example, had a legitimate grievance about FSFE.  his pursuit of that grievance lead to a campaign of harassment against FSFE personnel, which lead to the Debian project leadership wanting him out of Debian.  that was a consequenceJun 22 11:45
schestowitz[00:04] <Ariadne> 22 11:45
schestowitzah, yes, XRevan86 beat Ariadne to it. VERY informative.Jun 22 11:45
schestowitzI always threw that coffin in the water...Jun 22 11:45
XRevan86Ariadne posted it in the microblog before I saw it, but I got it from a different source :)Jun 22 11:46
Ariadnehis removal from Debian has lead to a campaign of harassment against debian developersJun 22 11:46
schestowitzmicroblogging does not scale wellJun 22 11:46
schestowitzpeople think they get "the news" from it, but platform owners shape what people seeJun 22 11:46
gustafAriadne: is there an unbiased account of the pocock situation ?Jun 22 11:46
AriadneuhhJun 22 11:46
schestowitzmonths ago he went way over some boundariesJun 22 11:47
Ariadnei mean, i'm not an FSFE member or debian developerJun 22 11:47
Ariadneand i'm not pocockJun 22 11:47
XRevan86It's only cancel culture when "bad" people do it.Jun 22 11:47
Ariadneso i would like to think my view is largely unbiasedJun 22 11:47
AriadneXRevan86: right, exactly, pocock used the same mobbing tactics as othersJun 22 11:47
schestowitzhe was a campaigner for indigenous people in auJun 22 11:48
Ariadnei don't really know what happenedJun 22 11:48
gustafok Jun 22 11:48
Ariadnei think he has a mental issueJun 22 11:48
gustafmaybe it's not importantJun 22 11:48
Ariadnehe went from pretty reasonable, to basically nutsJun 22 11:48
schestowitzbut I think the more you silence and marginalise people, the more likely they are not return to civil discourseJun 22 11:48
Ariadnein about 6 monthsJun 22 11:48
schestowitzthis is what sometimes drove Assange to some right-wing think tanksJun 22 11:48
Ariadneschestowitz: i agree, but at the same time, daniel was doxing peopleJun 22 11:48
schestowitzAriadne: not in the earlier daysJun 22 11:49
schestowitz2017-2019Jun 22 11:49
Ariadnein the earlier days, he was impersonating people and sending them hate mailJun 22 11:49
schestowitzhe highlighted google misuse of $ to control projectsJun 22 11:49
Ariadnewhich is not reallyJun 22 11:49
schestowitznot just the FSFE issueJun 22 11:49
Ariadnean improvementJun 22 11:49
schestowitzhe knew and saw as a mentorJun 22 11:49
Ariadnei'm aware of the GSoC incidentJun 22 11:49
Ariadnehowever, he was mentoring his girlfriendJun 22 11:50
schestowitzbtw, I was sent some home addresses of epo managersJun 22 11:50
Ariadnethat is a significant conflict of interestJun 22 11:50
schestowitzobv. never published thoseJun 22 11:50
schestowitzin fact, one had a house fired, likely an accident, not arsonJun 22 11:50
Ariadneyou can't be the boss of somebody you're datingJun 22 11:50
schestowitzit can be 'funny'... until some nut uses the info to do something terribleJun 22 11:50
schestowitzthat happened in debianJun 22 11:51
schestowitzthis whole program is problematic imhoJun 22 11:51
Ariadne(that said, i'm not really enthusiastic about the GSoC program in general.  atheme participated three times, and we did not really like the attitude of Google or other orgs participating)Jun 22 11:51
schestowitzalso a canonical employee doing the sameJun 22 11:51
schestowitzGoogle is getting more aggressive over timeJun 22 11:51
schestowitzI find myself unable to sympathsise with Google on anythingJun 22 11:51
schestowitzunlike, say, a decade agoJun 22 11:52
schestowitzwhen Microsoft attacked them by proxyJun 22 11:52
Ariadnewell, i am unable to sympathise with daniel mentoring his girlfriend in GSoCJun 22 11:52
schestowitznow Google  has x2 the market of Windows, depending on what's measuredJun 22 11:52
gustafthe Verge has a hilarious link of all the different chat protocols and apps and services Google has spammed over the years Jun 22 11:52
Ariadnehe should have known that was a conflict of interestJun 22 11:52
schestowitzgustaf: yes, hard to keep trackJun 22 11:52
schestowitzit's one thing they never managed to dominateJun 22 11:52
Ariadnebut again, not a fan of GSoC anywayJun 22 11:52
Ariadneso don't really careJun 22 11:52
Ariadnejust pointing out his version of events miss certain relevant detailsJun 22 11:53
schestowitzmy personal opinionJun 22 11:53
schestowitzwhicb is not a nice opinionJun 22 11:53
schestowitzinterns are a time wasteJun 22 11:53
XRevan86Ariadne: That conflict of interest doesn't really harm anyone but themselves though.Jun 22 11:53
Ariadnethat was what atheme concludedJun 22 11:53
schestowitzmost but not al gsoc projects are tons of effort poured outJun 22 11:53
schestowitzto produce some sub-par project or a little featurerJun 22 11:53
XRevan86so if they think they can pull it off…Jun 22 11:53
XRevan86on GSoC that isJun 22 11:53
gustafGoogle IRC when ? ;)Jun 22 11:53
schestowitzthe interns ('students') rarely stay to contribute and improve more after the programJun 22 11:54
AriadneXRevan86: well, they got busted, and thats why daniel was suspended from debian for 6 monthsJun 22 11:54
AriadneXRevan86: so indeed, he harmed himself with that conflict of interest :pJun 22 11:54
Ariadnebut GSoC is, as schestowitz notes, a giant waste of time imoJun 22 11:54
schestowitzI mean, look at the 'median' outcomeJun 22 11:55
Ariadnemost of the GSoC projects never got integrated into atheme projectsJun 22 11:55
schestowitzsome are outstandingJun 22 11:55
Ariadnebecause we had to rewrite themJun 22 11:55
schestowitzbut most are like... 3 months... I added some widgetsJun 22 11:55
schestowitzand mentors could use that same time to get a lot more doneJun 22 11:55
Ariadnei had some success with audacious, butJun 22 11:55
XRevan86Ariadne: Well, did he screw-up as a mentor?Jun 22 11:55
AriadneXRevan86: it was alleged that he was just passing his GF without actually doing anythingJun 22 11:55
XRevan86or was it a GSoC relating to Debian?Jun 22 11:55
AriadneXRevan86: yes, relating to debianJun 22 11:56
AriadneXRevan86: so, somebody reported it to google, who hated him or whateverJun 22 11:56
AriadneXRevan86: then google got pissedJun 22 11:56
schestowitzI never read or heard that storyJun 22 11:56
schestowitzor, afaik, nobody documented it onlineJun 22 11:56
XRevan86Ariadne: Right, that's not what I meant by "pull it off" :)Jun 22 11:56
AriadneXRevan86: and debian agreed to suspend him to appease googleJun 22 11:56
Ariadneis basicallyJun 22 11:56
MinceR22 123106 < Ariadne> the people who run libera are largely trustworthyJun 22 11:56
Ariadnewhat happenedJun 22 11:56
schestowitzwe also had people offering to be intern for usJun 22 11:56
schestowitzand at the end they did NOTHINGJun 22 11:56
MinceRand what will the trustworthy people do to keep ibm's influence in check?Jun 22 11:56
schestowitzwe invested hours to help them contributeJun 22 11:57
MinceRor google's, or microsoft'sJun 22 11:57
schestowitzin the add, ZERO contributionJun 22 11:57
XRevan86Ariadne: Right, it all boils down to good faith, which he lacked.Jun 22 11:57
AriadneMinceR: i mean, i think self-hosting is better obviouslyJun 22 11:57
MinceR22 123449 < Ariadne> so, it is really best to not tolerate the behaviorJun 22 11:57
MinceRbut cancel mobs should be tolerated?Jun 22 11:57
Ariadnealso notJun 22 11:57
Ariadnei do not think anyone should have to face mob harassmentJun 22 11:57
XRevan86We just discussed thoseJun 22 11:57
MinceR22 124018 < XRevan86> like "I'm not a yes-man for all the trends on Twitter, does that mean I'm alt-right?"Jun 22 11:58
MinceRdon't worry, they'll shadowban you then :>Jun 22 11:58
schestowitzI'd rather have al pacas doing governanceJun 22 11:58
schestowitzhumans are too emotionalJun 22 11:58
schestowitzand... they LOVE moneyJun 22 11:58
Ariadnein fact, i wrote very powerful tools in IRC and pleroma to protect against mob harassmentJun 22 11:58
Ariadnewhich is part of why pleroma got cancelled in the beginningJun 22 11:58
schestowitztwitter sells more ads with viral disinfoJun 22 11:58
XRevan86MinceR: They won't. Unless ye mean Twitter, those can do whatever the heck they want.Jun 22 11:59
schestowitz[08:07] <techrights-bot/fn> "a problem as I see with centralized walled gardens pushing alt-right content on all their users, because that drives engagement. [...] onopolised, centralized social media is a monoculture where mind viruses can spread unchecked." 22 11:59
MinceRi did mean twitterJun 22 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rysiekúr Memesson: " monopoli…" - MastodonJun 22 11:59
MinceRwhere being critical of bill gates earns a shadowbanJun 22 11:59
MinceRand the people who remain are shaped into a mob to attack peopleJun 22 11:59
schestowitzMinceR: noJun 22 11:59
schestowitzBANJun 22 11:59
schestowitznot shadow banJun 22 11:59
schestowitzthey did it to meJun 22 11:59
MinceR:>Jun 22 11:59
schestowitzand the following day to zoobabJun 22 12:00
MinceRi stand correctedJun 22 12:00
schestowitz 22 12:00
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Ariadneanyway, i do not think libera supports cancel mobsJun 22 12:00
schestowitzmaybe not yetJun 22 12:00
XRevan86MinceR: I didn't mean it in a sense of participation on Twitter in particular.Jun 22 12:00
Ariadnemaybe not everJun 22 12:00
schestowitzpeople can change, staff can roll overJun 22 12:00
Ariadnemost of the libera staff are the people *I* taught how to run thingsJun 22 12:00
schestowitzchristel became a fake millionaireJun 22 12:00
schestowitzwith millions in debtJun 22 12:00
Ariadnegood for herJun 22 12:01
Ariadneshe has nothing to do with liberaJun 22 12:01
XRevan86Libera Chat now needs to prove they're not a camelJun 22 12:01
schestowitzI mean, she was replaced by oneJun 22 12:01
Ariadneseveral of the people involved in libera also worked with me on anti-harassment (e.g. anti-mobbing) tools in IRCJun 22 12:01
schestowitzI remember PropellerJun 22 12:01
Ariadneand in activitypubJun 22 12:02
schestowitzaka NetscapeJun 22 12:02
schestowitzthey employed for for 2 yearsJun 22 12:02
Ariadneso,Jun 22 12:02
schestowitzthen AOL mothballed the whole thingJun 22 12:02
schestowitz2 months is nothibgJun 22 12:02
schestowitz2 years... OKJun 22 12:02
schestowitzFreenode was 20+Jun 22 12:02
schestowitzTechrights 15Jun 22 12:02
MinceRsome of the people running libera are members of a cancel mobJun 22 12:02
schestowitzTuxMachines 17Jun 22 12:02
schestowitzin web terms, that's a lot. Phoronix also lasted very long and still survivingJun 22 12:02
Ariadneschestowitz: i've known the people who are driving libera for 10+ yearsJun 22 12:02
AriadneMinceR: who are they cancellingJun 22 12:02
schestowitzAriadne: how many online users?Jun 22 12:03
Ariadnesigning a stupid fucking letter is not cancelling anyoneJun 22 12:03
XRevan86schestowitz: 40KJun 22 12:03
schestowitzXRevan86: no, I mean for 10 yearsJun 22 12:03
schestowitzoh, waitJun 22 12:03
schestowitzI read it wrongJun 22 12:03
schestowitzlibera was newly-registeredJun 22 12:03
schestowitz?Jun 22 12:03
Ariadnelibera is new, but the people who started it aren'tJun 22 12:03
schestowitzsome people said it had not been registered or was under ddosJun 22 12:03
schestowitzok, got itJun 22 12:03
MinceRAriadne: the FSF board, including RMSJun 22 12:04
schestowitzthey will face challengesJun 22 12:04
Ariadnelibera was started by the part of freenode staff who came from athemeJun 22 12:04
Ariadneit is legitJun 22 12:04
schestowitzeven in this small networks we have people railing with racist crapJun 22 12:04
XRevan86schestowitz: They've already faced a lot of challenges.Jun 22 12:04
AriadneMinceR: how are they 'cancelling' the FSF board, including RMS?Jun 22 12:04
XRevan86Libera is not a new network in many respects.Jun 22 12:04
MinceRAriadne: via that letter you know aboutJun 22 12:04
MinceRschestowitz: you'll see more of that crapJun 22 12:04
XRevan86in any sense but the literal :)Jun 22 12:04
AriadneMinceR: what else you got?Jun 22 12:04
MinceRAriadne: nothing, yetJun 22 12:04
XRevan86freenode is a new network in any sense but the literalJun 22 12:05
Ariadnesigning a letter is not joining a harassment mobJun 22 12:05
schestowitzXRevan86: true alsoJun 22 12:05
Ariadneyou clearly have never been mobbedJun 22 12:05
schestowitzwe need a new name for it, some say leeNodeJun 22 12:05
schestowitzl0de :-)Jun 22 12:05
schestowitzleel0deJun 22 12:05
schestowitznenold ;-)Jun 22 12:05
XRevan86schestowitz: I might start calling the old freenode Libera retroactively :PJun 22 12:05
MinceRschestowitz: sounds like rasengan wants freenode to be a "conservative" network, libera and oftc are showing signs of being crybully networksJun 22 12:05
XRevan86Why rename the new freenode when one can rename the old freenodeJun 22 12:06
MinceRXRevan86: i might fail to understand you then :PJun 22 12:06
Ariadneanyway, i will admit that libera is not perfect, but i think it is less bad than old-freenodeJun 22 12:06
schestowitzOldNodeJun 22 12:06
XRevan86The history of Libera begins in the year 1994, it was called the OpenProjects Network back then.Jun 22 12:07
schestowitzare you saying "open source" predates 1998? :-pJun 22 12:07
MinceR:>Jun 22 12:07
schestowitzLinux Foundation, a week ago, celebrated 30 years of "OpenSource"Jun 22 12:08
XRevan86just the "open" partJun 22 12:08
schestowitzso you need to explain to them OSIJun 22 12:08
schestowitzbut then that involves the F wordJun 22 12:08
schestowitzLF hates the F and GJun 22 12:08
Ariadnelinux foundation deals with corporationsJun 22 12:09
schestowitzXRevan86: the debian mailing list leaks (debian-private) show those terms predating OSIJun 22 12:09
MinceRsince it kicked out non-corporate members, yesJun 22 12:09
Ariadneyou can't expect their marketing team to use activist termsJun 22 12:09
XRevan86oh, it's 1998 actuallyJun 22 12:09
schestowitziow, nobody really coined itJun 22 12:09
XRevan86I misreadJun 22 12:09
schestowitznot Tim O of Christine or ESR or PerensJun 22 12:09
XRevan86it began as linpeople in 1995, then it became OPN in 1998Jun 22 12:09
schestowitzthey just formalised an existence buzzwordJun 22 12:09
MinceRLF is its owners' lever for controlling LinuxJun 22 12:09
XRevan86then it became freenode in 2002Jun 22 12:09
XRevan86and now Libera in 2021 :)Jun 22 12:09
Ariadneit became freenode at the behest of the FSF btwJun 22 12:10
Ariadnelilo renamed the network to get the FSF on boardJun 22 12:10
schestowitzMinceR: exactlyJun 22 12:10
schestowitznot just LinuxJun 22 12:10
schestowitzeverythingJun 22 12:10
schestowitzit's not about OS anymore, not even techJun 22 12:10
Ariadnei mean, i can't deny thatJun 22 12:10
XRevan86Ariadne: That's an interesting detail.Jun 22 12:10
schestowitzthe jokes about Roche with "LINUX" detergents? Stay tuned...Jun 22 12:10
schestowitzMaybe we have "LINUX FOUNDATION LICENSING" soonJun 22 12:11
schestowitzto join "LINUX FOUNDATION Research" [sic]Jun 22 12:11
schestowitzthey'll sell licenses to use Linux on garments, condom, toilet paper, brothels...Jun 22 12:11
Ariadnethe people who are doing research are all passionate about free software, would you like to talk to them?Jun 22 12:11
schestowitzand then they'll gloat about how profitable Linux bcaameJun 22 12:11
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XRevan86Ariadne: Was there a wipe back then too?Jun 22 12:12
Ariadneanyway, whateverJun 22 12:12
Ariadnethis conversation has become unhinged and is going nowhere usefulJun 22 12:12
XRevan86or did they transition more gracefully to the new domainJun 22 12:12
schestowitzAriadne: they are BRANDING peopleJun 22 12:12
AriadneXRevan86: transitionJun 22 12:12
schestowitzlike ZemlinJun 22 12:12
Ariadneschestowitz: they are PAYING peopleJun 22 12:12
MinceRare they merely passionate about it on their CVs, or are they in ideological opposition to the corporations that own their employer?Jun 22 12:12
schestowitzso I assume as enthusiastic as him.. with his 'i' things...Jun 22 12:12
schestowitzAriadne: they are, but they choose winnersJun 22 12:13
Ariadneanyway, this conversation is, again, going to just be a stupid fightJun 22 12:13
AriadnesoJun 22 12:13
schestowitzbased on their stakeholderJun 22 12:13
Ariadnei'm outJun 22 12:13
schestowitzinc. drone strike companiesJun 22 12:13
schestowitzok, laters :-)Jun 22 12:13
Ariadnethis is why i support leah's campaign to make the FSF actually do its job againJun 22 12:13
MinceRthat would be niceJun 22 12:13
schestowitzI am too young to knowJun 22 12:13
schestowitzI assume they started with basics of unix programsJun 22 12:13
schestowitzunder gplJun 22 12:13
schestowitzand that's all doneJun 22 12:14
schestowitznow we have kitchen sinksJun 22 12:14
schestowitzkubernetes, systemdJun 22 12:14
schestowitzjust to sell more stuff and build monopoliesJun 22 12:14
schestowitzalso python2, python3...Jun 22 12:14
schestowitzphp1-10Jun 22 12:14
Ariadneall of this technology should be incubated by stuff like FSFJun 22 12:14
Ariadneis the pointJun 22 12:14
schestowitzif you code in bash, it'll still work 20 years from nowJun 22 12:14
schestowitzon almost any systemJun 22 12:14
Ariadnethats what my goal with alpine is, to build an evergreen OSJun 22 12:15
Ariadnethe reason alpine went with non-GNU components is because under corporate tutelage, GNU components have largely become crapJun 22 12:16
schestowitz"These transitions take time, and there are only ~190 days before it needs to be done."Jun 22 12:16
schestowitz 22 12:16
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schestowitzhe left Fedora infra months agoJun 22 12:16
schestowitzI worry about keeping things running longtermJun 22 12:16
schestowitzfew people think about it, they pick shiny things like Google frameworksJun 22 12:17
schestowitzwhich change every few yearsJun 22 12:17
MinceRi wouldn't worry about systemd/Linux systems then :>Jun 22 12:17
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schestowitzMinceR: our hv lacks systemJun 22 12:17
schestowitzsystemdJun 22 12:17
Ariadnesystemd is the ultimate example of what i mean by said corporate tutelageJun 22 12:17
schestowitzand runs OKJun 22 12:17
MinceRgoodJun 22 12:17
Ariadneyes, techrights has been slowly migrating to alpineJun 22 12:17
Ariadneone container at a timeJun 22 12:18
schestowitzI agree php and mysql compat might be tricky for some CMS bitsJun 22 12:18
schestowitzDrupal upgrades are notorious for compatibility reasonsJun 22 12:18
Ariadnewell we need entire new CMS thing anywayJun 22 12:18
Ariadnesomething that can do both web and geminiJun 22 12:19
schestowitzin the long runJun 22 12:19
AriadneanywayJun 22 12:19
Ariadnei already have enough mountains of technical debtJun 22 12:19
Ariadneto deal withJun 22 12:19
schestowitzmove fastJun 22 12:19
schestowitzbreak everythingJun 22 12:19
Ariadneyeah that worked great for andrewJun 22 12:19
schestowitzthat's what's hip nowJun 22 12:19
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schestowitzmaybe it was always like thatJun 22 12:20
schestowitzBut I'm in my 30s and started programming around 15Jun 22 12:20
schestowitzit's easy to run old pascal programsJun 22 12:20
schestowitzthan something from just 10 years ago made with phpJun 22 12:20
schestowitzphp+kitchen sinkJun 22 12:21
schestowitzI still run php-nuke 22 12:21
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MinceRhe learned it from rust?Jun 22 12:21
schestowitz 22 12:21
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schestowitzMinceR: RMS says fork itJun 22 12:21
schestowitz"Crust"Jun 22 12:21
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schestowitzand make something less erraticJun 22 12:22
schestowitzwithout the trademark issuesJun 22 12:22
MinceRand then try to keep up with an erratically churning upstream, either holding on to a half-baked design, or being erratic itselfJun 22 12:22
MinceRthough i suppose they could keep stable versions and group the big changes for the next releaseJun 22 12:23
XRevan86Ariadne: I wonder what his next move isJun 22 12:23
Ariadnewho caresJun 22 12:23
schestowitzMinceR: no, it could workJun 22 12:23
MinceRand mark language version in the source code files somehowJun 22 12:23
Ariadnemaybe he will staff up weevJun 22 12:23
schestowitzyou have stuff that's advertised as Crust-compatibleJun 22 12:23
schestowitzand always sticking to that, like an LTSJun 22 12:24
XRevan86Ariadne: I know one person that does %)Jun 22 12:24
MinceRXRevan86: Andrew? :>Jun 22 12:24
schestowitzAndrew WeebJun 22 12:24
schestowitzWeevJun 22 12:24
XRevan86MinceR: No, his name starts with a schJun 22 12:24
*schestowitz looks awayJun 22 12:25
XRevan86:DJun 22 12:25
schestowitzAurenheimer iircJun 22 12:25
schestowitzhe used to try to chat me upJun 22 12:25
schestowitzin twitterJun 22 12:25
schestowitztwitter tolerated him for very longJun 22 12:25
XRevan86Still dependent on freenode.Jun 22 12:25
schestowitz 22 12:26
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XRevan86To be fair, I'm also invested, but it's more like a movie to me.Jun 22 12:26
XRevan86I don't have a stake in the outcome.Jun 22 12:26
XRevan86except that if it breaks the bridge again, it'll be a headache againJun 22 12:27
Ariadnean example of what i mean by GNU software being crapJun 22 12:28
Ariadne 22 12:28
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Ariadnethis has not been fixed in 2 yearsJun 22 12:28
schestowitzdenial of service Jun 22 12:28
schestowitzgiven a specific fileJun 22 12:29
AriadneDoS is a dumb way of saying it crashesJun 22 12:29
Ariadnethe point isJun 22 12:29
Ariadnecrash bug reportedJun 22 12:29
Ariadnenot fixedJun 22 12:29
Ariadnenot even acknowledgedJun 22 12:29
XRevan86patch isn't exactly a serviceJun 22 12:29
schestowitzwhat privs needed to crash itJun 22 12:29
schestowitzcan it be crashed remotely over an open port?Jun 22 12:29
Ariadneignore the security partJun 22 12:29
Ariadneits not a security bugJun 22 12:29
XRevan86schestowitz: ability to make a file and then give it to patchJun 22 12:30
Ariadneits a crash bugJun 22 12:30
Ariadnesome dumbass CVE chaser got a CVE for itJun 22 12:30
Ariadnewhich is a problem in and of itselfJun 22 12:30
XRevan86Ariadne: Why is that a problem?Jun 22 12:30
schestowitzI worry about the NSA back doors in things like iOS and Windows... Android alsoJun 22 12:30
Ariadneschestowitz: i didn't say use those, now did i?Jun 22 12:30
schestowitzthey're a high priority issue, usually the media overlooks all that Jun 22 12:30
schestowitznot whataboutismJun 22 12:31
Ariadnethe reason why i support leah's savegnu thingJun 22 12:31
Ariadneis becauseJun 22 12:31
Ariadneshe wants to solve *this*Jun 22 12:31
schestowitza matter of priority, all programs are imperfectJun 22 12:31
schestowitzeven mineJun 22 12:31
Ariadneyes, but unfixed bugJun 22 12:31
Ariadnefor 2 yearsJun 22 12:31
Ariadnebecause nobody is actually maintaining patch anymoreJun 22 12:31
Ariadneis my pointJun 22 12:31
schestowitzdid someone offer a patch?Jun 22 12:31
Ariadnesomebody (me) is about toJun 22 12:31
schestowitz:-)Jun 22 12:32
Ariadnejust to make that go away from my trackerJun 22 12:32
schestowitzI still wait for mozilla to fix thunderbird pgpJun 22 12:32
schestowitzbecause I cannot encrypt messages to some peopleJun 22 12:32
Ariadnebut for exampleJun 22 12:32
schestowitzthey broke it months agoJun 22 12:32
Ariadnei've already switched from GNU makeJun 22 12:32
Ariadneto remake (a fork)Jun 22 12:32
Ariadnebecause GNU make maintainer is AWOLJun 22 12:32
schestowitzand then we could not even access their bug tracker to report thisJun 22 12:32
Ariadneand remake's maintainer is notJun 22 12:32
schestowitzis patch used over the web in web interfaces?Jun 22 12:33
AriadnedunnoJun 22 12:33
Ariadnediff isJun 22 12:33
schestowitzif not, it's a bit like "doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then stop doing this"Jun 22 12:33
Ariadnewell, its notJun 22 12:33
Ariadneif a valid patch file can crash patch, it is a bug and it should be fixedJun 22 12:34
Ariadneand the reproducer is validJun 22 12:34
Ariadnecontext diffs are a crime against humanity thoJun 22 12:34
immibisschestowitz: everything is used over the web until proven otherwiseJun 22 12:34
schestowitzor the dog barksJun 22 12:35
XRevan86Ariadne: remake doesn't look particularly alive.Jun 22 12:35
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immibisi wonder if bringing it up with the wider GNU project instead of just the patch maintainer would help?Jun 22 12:35
schestowitzif no maintainer exists, it can be forkedJun 22 12:35
schestowitzand the fork might even overtake the original :-)Jun 22 12:36 22 12:36 22 12:36
schestowitzpatch systemd-patchdJun 22 12:36
schestowitzwhich patchJun 22 12:36
XRevan86Ariadne: There's a lot more activity going in GNU makeJun 22 12:37
schestowitz /usr/bin/patchJun 22 12:37
AriadneXRevan86: well, thats a recent developmentJun 22 12:37
immibisschestowitz: it's even better to become the maintainer. Far less overheadJun 22 12:37
immibisin cases where the project is part of a larger project which is still staffed, they may just replace the maintainer positionJun 22 12:37
schestowitzor add oneJun 22 12:38
schestowitzmaybe someone has an ordeal like divorce or lost parent or fiancial crisisJun 22 12:38
immibisthat way there is continuity - downstream users don't need to actively switchJun 22 12:38
schestowitzand can resume at a later point Jun 22 12:38
*Ariadne researches this damn CVEJun 22 12:41
Ariadnecan't reproduce on alpineJun 22 12:41
XRevan86> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file foo.rejJun 22 12:42
XRevan86> patch: **** replacement text or line numbers mangled in hunk at line 41Jun 22 12:42
XRevan86as patch -Rf it doesn't crash eithreJun 22 12:44
Ariadnehmm, did get it to reproduce finallyJun 22 12:44
XRevan86Ariadne: how?Jun 22 12:44
gustafis "alis" a module or a separate service or what? Jun 22 12:45
Ariadnepatch -Rf < PoC_df Jun 22 12:45
XRevan86Ariadne: That doesn't crash for me.Jun 22 12:45
AriadneNo file to patch.  Skipping patch.Jun 22 12:45
AriadneSegmentation faultJun 22 12:45
Ariadnecrashes hereJun 22 12:45
Ariadneyes, double freeJun 22 12:46
XRevan86Ariadne: 22 12:46
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XRevan86 could this be itJun 22 12:48
Ariadneyes, i think debian has a mitigation for it alreadyJun 22 12:48
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Ariadneoh, suseJun 22 12:48
AriadnenoJun 22 12:48
Ariadnethats from 2018Jun 22 12:48
XRevan86The other patches are marked "ed-style"Jun 22 12:49
XRevan86and are similiarly oldJun 22 12:49
gustafpatch is dark magic Jun 22 12:50
gustaffrom the depths of Larry Wall's twisted brainJun 22 12:50
XRevan86I don't know why it works.Jun 22 12:50
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Ariadnequality codeJun 22 12:54
*Ariadne figures it out using patch-2.7.6Jun 22 12:55
XRevan86It does reproduce.Jun 22 12:57
XRevan86it doesn't crash, but it does have an invalid freeJun 22 12:58
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Ariadneim working on itJun 22 13:02
Ariadnei think i figured it outJun 22 13:02
XRevan86Ariadne: It's fixed on DebianJun 22 13:02
XRevan86> definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocksJun 22 13:03
XRevan86> ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contextsJun 22 13:03
AriadneXRevan86: which patch version is thatJun 22 13:06
Ariadne2.7.6-7?Jun 22 13:06
XRevan862.7.6-7, yesJun 22 13:06
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gustafhow many patches would patch accept if patch accepted patches? Jun 22 13:07
immibishow many gnus would a gnu patch patch if a gnu patch could patch gnus?Jun 22 13:11
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Ariadnethats still broken in RHELJun 22 13:11
Ariadneso much for RHEL being 'best at patching'Jun 22 13:12
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XRevan862.7.6-3+deb10u1 is fixed as wellJun 22 13:12
XRevan86that should narrow it downJun 22 13:13
XRevan86 not as many as 2.7.6-7 has.Jun 22 13:14
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Ariadne 22 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: @CVEannounce CVE-2019-20633 is mitigated by 22 13:15
Ariadnei figured it outJun 22 13:15
Ariadne:pJun 22 13:15
Ariadnethe thing that was tripping me up isJun 22 13:15
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Ariadnethe person who filed for the CVE claimed that a commit *after* that was vulnJun 22 13:15
Ariadnebut i cannot reproduceJun 22 13:15
Ariadneand backporting that commit i linked fixes it in alpine's packageJun 22 13:16
AriadnesoooooJun 22 13:16
XRevan86Ariadne: Ye checked with valgrind, right?Jun 22 13:16
AriadneyesJun 22 13:16
AriadnebtwJun 22 13:16
Ariadnestill not fixed in RHELJun 22 13:16
AriadnehahaJun 22 13:16
Ariadnejust going to point that outJun 22 13:16
XRevan86Ariadne: 2.7.6-3+deb10u1 doesn't have that mitigation…Jun 22 13:17
Ariadneits the right oneJun 22 13:17
XRevan86How does it work though?Jun 22 13:17
XRevan86Many different patches break the reproducer in different ways?Jun 22 13:18
Ariadnep_end wasn't being properly bounds-checkedJun 22 13:18
Ariadnei checked with some fprintf() debuggingJun 22 13:19
Ariadneanyway, this is way too on-topic for #techrightsJun 22 13:19
Ariadneblah blah blah cancel cultureJun 22 13:19
Ariadnelinux foundation does not sell tux plushiesJun 22 13:19
XRevan86 22 13:19
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Ariadnea conspiracy at the highest levelJun 22 13:19
Ariadnei think GNU patch is an eldritch horror thoughJun 22 13:20
Ariadnesomebody should rewrite itJun 22 13:20
Ariadneto be uhhJun 22 13:20
Ariadnenot larry wall codeJun 22 13:20
XRevan86Maybe someone already did, but the word "patch" is unsearchableJun 22 13:21
Ariadne:DJun 22 13:21
Ariadnebut don't worry, the FSF will run some marketing campaign about how if you play the Windows 7 DVD backwards in a DVD player, it will tell you all the secrets bill gates doesn't want you to knowJun 22 13:22
Ariadneor somethingJun 22 13:22
Ariadneinstead of paying peopleJun 22 13:22
Ariadneto rewrite GNU softwareJun 22 13:22
Ariadneso it is to modern standardsJun 22 13:22
Ariadneimagine an FSF that pays for the production of free softwareJun 22 13:23
XRevan86Is Savannah as GitLab actually going to be a thing?Jun 22 13:23
Ariadnei mean, that seems like a good ideaJun 22 13:23
XRevan86Savannah is horrible, so definitelyJun 22 13:23
XRevan86That will make contributing to GNU projects more… friendly.Jun 22 13:25
AriadneindeedJun 22 13:25
Ariadnethough you still have to FAXJun 22 13:25
Ariadneyes, FAXJun 22 13:25
Ariadnethe copyright assignment agreementJun 22 13:25
Ariadneso, they need to do something there tooJun 22 13:26
Ariadne(you can also print it out and send it snail mail to FSF)Jun 22 13:26
gustafthat could be some dumb lawyer thing, state-specific Jun 22 13:26
AriadnenahJun 22 13:26
Ariadnemassachusetts doesn't require thatJun 22 13:26
Ariadneit can be e-signedJun 22 13:26
gustafok good to knowJun 22 13:26
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Ariadnei weep every time i hear about fax machines still being in use in 2021Jun 22 13:27
gustafdid Wall write patch before or after Perl Jun 22 13:27
gustafor concurrentlyJun 22 13:27
Ariadneconcurrently i thinkJun 22 13:27
XRevan86Every other project allows stating the CLA intent in the merge request and be done with it.Jun 22 13:27
XRevan86 and I assume Oracle's lawyers know what they're doing when people sign a CLA on a website.Jun 22 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Oracle Contributor AgreementJun 22 13:32
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kingoffranceXRevan86, you're too kind, it means oracle's lawyers dont see any money in fax machines :)Jun 22 14:58
kingoffrancethe second that changes, 180 :)Jun 22 14:58
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▇▃▁▁▇█▅▆▃▄█▃▇▅█▆▆▇▄▆▅▆▂▅▄▅▂▆█▃▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 31.55 ▕  IPFS upstream: █▃▁█▁▂▂▁▂▃▁▂▁▂▃▂▁█▂▂▂▂█▁▂▁▁▂▃▂█▁▄▁ avg(k/sec) 75.88▕ swarm size (avg): 309.78  ⟲Jun 22 14:59
schestowitz[13:19] <Ariadne> linux foundation does not sell tux plushiesJun 22 15:03
schestowitzI think maybe it did similar to thatJun 22 15:03
schestowitz[13:23] <Ariadne> imagine an FSF that pays for the production of free softwareJun 22 15:04
schestowitzLF barely pays for Linux developmentJun 22 15:04
schestowitzit pays very few kernel hackersJun 22 15:04
schestowitzkernel coders are paid by some of the same companies that pay to work on GNUJun 22 15:04
schestowitzabout fax machines, I was surprised I still had to use one around 2005 for IEEE copyright stuffJun 22 15:06
schestowitz16 years later FSF still uses thatJun 22 15:06
schestowitzremember when modems was still sold as fax stuff?Jun 22 15:06
techrights-bot/fnQt for Android Automotive tech preview released ⚓ ䷉ #qt is #ProprietarySoftware now... and it targets platforms accordinglyJun 22 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qt for Android Automotive tech preview releasedJun 22 15:08
Techrights-secOne is inclined to see the journalists under assault from the government as crucial to democracy, like the last remaining tamariJun 22 15:09
Techrights-secnd leaf was to Prem Rani. These journalists speak for all the troubled features of Indias democracy that Mr Modi didnt tell thJun 22 15:09
Techrights-sece G7 about. ""Jun 22 15:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Story of the last tamarind leaf - Newspaper - DAWN.COMJun 22 15:09
techrights-bot/fn"Well, Epic Games don't support Linux with their official client or with the games on the service even if they have a Linux build elsewhere." ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 22 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Heroic Games Launcher for Epic Games sees a small bug fix release ahead of the big 1.8 | GamingOnLinuxJun 22 15:11
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kingoffrancei thought all-in-one printers still do fax?   but i think there are websites tooJun 22 15:12
techrights-bot/fn#apple is so crap it's just imitating others decades late 22 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Get macOS Monterey Universal Control Feature on Windows and Linux | BeebomJun 22 15:14
kingoffrancein a parallel universe where i had to have a fax, i would prefer a modem, assuming it was documented, so i could script it/etc.Jun 22 15:14
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activelowkingoffrance: for fun i ordered some 56K usb modem dongles on amazon, had no time yet to check this and write a howtoJun 22 15:16
activelowcould be interesting too reviewing bitmap printing with epson-type matrix plottersJun 22 15:17
activelowcannot catch up anymoreJun 22 15:17
techrights-bot/fn15 things to do after installing #MXLinux | FOSS Linux ⚓ ䷉ #fosslinux | more in 22 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 15 things to do after installing MX Linux | FOSS LinuxJun 22 15:18
immibisAriadne: there is a lot to be said about not rewriting working software. You'll put all the bugs back in and they'll have to be ironed out againJun 22 15:19
immibisrefactoring is fineJun 22 15:19
activelowwas even thinking to revitalize some ax25 hobby project, to see if some of this could make it over the air, with a fully opensource soft-modem implementation maybeJun 22 15:20
MinceR22 142229 < Ariadne> but don't worry, the FSF will run some marketing campaign about how if you play the Windows 7 DVD backwards in a DVD player, it will tell you all the secrets bill gates doesn't want you to knowJun 22 15:22
kingoffrancewell i dont know anything but fax, dont think ive ever even sent one except through some web site;  however, "ui-wise"   1) press buttons on tiny lcd screen on all-in-one printer (or cell phone, or some janky web interface)   2) website, here today gone tomorrow    3) write scripts i can make do whatever   i would prefer 3Jun 22 15:22
gustafI worked with a hamJun 22 15:22
MinceR 22 15:22
gustaftold me about ax25Jun 22 15:22
techrights-bot/fn#ibm #redhat : let's replace #gnu with some crap from #ProprietarySoftware #microsoft repo 22 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Replace du with dust on Linux | Opensource.comJun 22 15:23
kingoffrances/but/aboot/Jun 22 15:23
activelowkingoffrance: of i have to review this again, was a long time ago, in the middle in between 56KBaud was replaced with the glorious ISDN 64KBaudJun 22 15:24
activelowin any case 56K modems are interesting since these implemented some modern modulation already, for educational purposeJun 22 15:24
activeloweven older Modem stuff is, 56K was rather modern already, although forgottenJun 22 15:25
activelowsince most WiFi/UMTS chips are proprietary, with 56K some relevant parts are documentedJun 22 15:26
activelowwhich is i might add good enough to learn and play withJun 22 15:26
kingoffranceand i guess the fancy printer is going to print magic watermark dots so "uncoupled" to other things is perhaps better odds of not getting magic watermark dots :)Jun 22 15:26
techrights-bot/fn#RockyLinux is Finally Ready as a CentOS Replacement 22 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux MachinesJun 22 15:28
techrights-bot/fn15 things to do after installing #MXLinux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #gnu #linuxJun 22 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 15 things to do after installing MX Linux | Tux MachinesJun 22 15:28
techrights-bot/fn#FreeBSD 13.0 vs. #DragonFlyBSD 6.0 vs. Linux On #AMD #EPYC 7003 Series "Milan" • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FreeBSD 13.0 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6.0 vs. Linux On AMD EPYC 7003 Series "Milan" | Tux MachinesJun 22 15:29
activelowanyway, i am still surprised gnu/fsf is entangled with Microsoft, didn't know thatJun 22 15:31
techrights-bot/fn#SiFive launches Cortex-A75 like #RISCV core debuting on Intel dev kit • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SiFive launches Cortex-A75 like RISC-V core debuting on Intel dev kit | Tux MachinesJun 22 15:32
activelowgnome, i meant to sayJun 22 15:32
activelowdidn't know rust-foundation was microsoft tooJun 22 15:33
activelowa professor at Telecom university had warned us, mentioning microsoft seeked to take control over the internet and telco too, 20 years agoJun 22 15:34
activelowhe wouldn't take seat in an aircraft anymore once microsoft provided software for this business too, wouldn't disagree with thatJun 22 15:34
techrights-bot/fnShame on #zdnet writing about the utter and complete failure of #microsoft in mobile but instead spinning that are a #marketing / sales pitch. Selling failed products at a loss. Link omitted. #boycottZDNet 22 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet - TechrightsJun 22 15:36
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activelowthey weren't happy with telco management 20 years ago already, didn't dare to question any of thisJun 22 15:37
activelowit is noteworthy too this entire telco is strongly entangled with politics, their headquarters placed right beside each otherJun 22 15:38
techrights-bot/fn... and over at #ubuntupit they nowadays cover things that are not #ubuntu ... and not even #gnu #linux or #freesw ... just a bunch of #proprietarySoftware nonsense. Kamrul Hasan et al, you used to do better...Jun 22 15:39
activelowwasn't it Telco were Unix originated?Jun 22 15:42
techrights-bot/fn#GNU #Linux distro #Garuda 210621 is out. 22 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Announcements - Garuda Linux ForumJun 22 15:43
gustafBell Labs yeah but they did a lot of general research Jun 22 15:43
activelowand i see AT&T is headquartered in Texas, next to Texas Instruments, yet i failed to comprehend the tooling provided by TI to play with embedded things, it's vendor-locked onto Microsoft nowJun 22 15:43
gustafAT&T inherited the codeJun 22 15:43
gustafisn't AT&T owned by a former Baby Bell Jun 22 15:44
activelowGerman Telco has an interesting history too, in particular east-germans (portrayed as "uncompetitive" and such)Jun 22 15:45
schestowitzBaby?Jun 22 15:45
gustaf 22 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Regional Bell Operating Company - WikipediaJun 22 15:46
gustaf``Currently, three companies have the RBOCs as predecessors: AT&T, Verizon, and Lumen Technologies.''Jun 22 15:46
gustafwhy do I know this shitJun 22 15:47
gustafso uselessJun 22 15:47
MinceR:)Jun 22 15:47
activelowwith Telco R&D and operation must be distinguished tooJun 22 15:47
activelowand managementJun 22 15:47
psymingustaf, not useless :)Jun 22 15:47
MinceRwell, it seems to have something to do with the history of Unix, so not uselessJun 22 15:47
gustafat least in Sweden there were revolving doors between the local POTS monopoly and Ericsson Jun 22 15:48
gustafbut it's a small country Jun 22 15:48
techrights-bot/fn"I often use the GNU Emacs editor to write the source code" but I also signed a defamatory petition to remove the coder of GNU Emacs from the FSF! (Which he founded) ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #LinuxJun 22 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edit text like Emacs in FreeDOS | Opensource.comJun 22 15:48
gustafI was in Ericsson's testing lab on 9/11 Jun 22 15:50
gustafone of the weirdest days of my life Jun 22 15:50
techrights-bot/fnIs #ibm faking a community using 'swag'? soft bribes... 22 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mindshare Committee F2F Readout – Fedora Community BlogJun 22 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | TechrightsJun 22 15:50
techrights-bot/fn"The new version of command-line admin tool for observing and troubleshooting #Postgres – #pgCenter , has been released." 22 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PostgreSQL: Upgrade: pgCenter 0.9.0Jun 22 15:51
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schestowitzfreenode downJun 22 15:56
lightbringer/fnis it?Jun 22 15:56
schestowitzfor one client of mine (konversation)Jun 22 15:56
schestowitz[15:57] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.Jun 22 15:57
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MinceRclassyJun 22 15:58
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schestowitzvery reliableJun 22 15:58
schestowitz"welcome to my world!"Jun 22 15:58
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MinceRdid you even say anything with those clients?Jun 22 15:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, Lake County, Illinois ditched Windows ServerJun 22 16:01
techrights-bot/fn5 Best Linux Video Players on Which You Can Rely on • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #gnu #liuxJun 22 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 Best Linux Video Players on Which You Can Rely on | Tux MachinesJun 22 16:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: goodJun 22 16:02
DaemonFCI noticed that all of the pages stopped being served up as ASP or whatever.Jun 22 16:02
DaemonFCThey've switched to an apache web server and the documents end in xhtml now.Jun 22 16:02
DaemonFCThey want me to go to court over Zoom.Jun 22 16:03
DaemonFCBut there's an option to dial into the trial by a regular phone call.Jun 22 16:03
DaemonFCI'll probably just use Zoom. I don't want to screw up here.Jun 22 16:03
DaemonFCThe insurance company mom has decided to go to remote work permanently and get rid of the offices.Jun 22 16:04
DaemonFCThis empty office space is just going to stay empty for the most part.Jun 22 16:05
activelowthe real sad story is with "privatized" Telco i couldn't at least receive BBC radio or radio moscow anymore with DAB+ in germanyJun 22 16:07
activelowit was a common competition in east germany who could errect the biggest antenna on his roof to illegally receive radio stations from the "class enemy"Jun 22 16:08
techrights-bot/fnIs #germany so unhappy with corrupt #epo that it prepares this fallback (for when EPO collapses because of its crimes)? 22 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German Parliament Adopts Patent Act Amendment | Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP - JDSupraJun 22 16:08
techrights-bot/fn#patent maximalists never liked the ability to throw out fake #patents 22 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | China's high-speed validity trials can be hard to keep up with | IAMJun 22 16:09
activelowwith a typical analog radio schematics were provided, to solder and repair the equipment, and remove some bandpass filtersJun 22 16:11
techrights-bot/fnCorrupt EPO management pushing some propaganda for its kangaroo court, EBA, which is nothing more than a rubberstamping tool of dictators who do illegal things and crave the veneer of judges see 22 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - Press Communiqué of 22 June 2021 on decision G 4/19 of the Enlarged Board of AppealJun 22 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | TechrightsJun 22 16:11
schestowitzI never had such issues with freenode until a week agoJun 22 16:13
schestowitznow they arbitrarily z-line legit connectionsJun 22 16:13
MinceRschestowitz: did those clients say anything?Jun 22 16:13
schestowitzeach week they try to outdo themselves with a 30-day diet panJun 22 16:13
schestowitz*planJun 22 16:13
schestowitzmaybe below 10k online users by month's endJun 22 16:13
schestowitzMinceR: I closed that after failing again with another hostnameJun 22 16:14
MinceRjust as apple presented a thinner, lighter CEO, freenode itself is also becoming a thinner, lighter IRC networkJun 22 16:14
DaemonFCThere were some big IRC networks that now have a couple hundred users left.Jun 22 16:14
schestowitzwe need more networksJun 22 16:15
schestowitznot more big networksJun 22 16:15
DaemonFCI hope the author of mIRC invested that royalty money well because it's got to be a dwindling revenue stream.Jun 22 16:15
schestowitzBTW, re fedivrseJun 22 16:15
schestowitztoo many users still in very few and very large fediverse-compatible islandsJun 22 16:16
DaemonFCXChat got abandoned, probably for the same reason.Jun 22 16:16 is one of them, iircJun 22 16:16
DaemonFCIRC usage shrinking and people either patching out the shareware enforcer or using an unofficial Windows build.Jun 22 16:16
CrystalMathMinceR: tbh InspIRCd is causing some issues for some peopleJun 22 16:16
CrystalMathi know someone who can't connect anymore because of itJun 22 16:16
schestowitzyes, that's meJun 22 16:17
schestowitzI struggled a lotJun 22 16:17
CrystalMathbut he's tryingJun 22 16:17
schestowitzhad to hardcode IPs and hostnames sometimes, just to get inJun 22 16:17
CrystalMathsome of my friends are making a gateway proxyJun 22 16:17
CrystalMathhis IRC client crashes on inspircdJun 22 16:17
CrystalMathcan't join freenode nor LunarIRCJun 22 16:17
DaemonFCThe Linux build didn't cost anything, so the $29 shareware fee for the Windows build was basically subsidizing the rest.Jun 22 16:17
schestowitzthe best IRC network for self-harm is one that denies access :-)Jun 22 16:17
CrystalMathschestowitz: so right now we talk on EFNetJun 22 16:17
schestowitzclap clap to PIA teamJun 22 16:18
DaemonFCIt got increasingly difficult to justify the $29 for the Windows build because by the end it was mostly just a stripped down GTK and custom mojis or something. The clones even had spell check.Jun 22 16:18
schestowitzI wonder how many cancellations PIA processed amid this freenode scandalJun 22 16:18
CrystalMathcancellations?Jun 22 16:18
schestowitzVPNsJun 22 16:18
CrystalMathahJun 22 16:19
schestowitzif they handle VPN stuff like they do IRC...Jun 22 16:19
MinceRCrystalMath: maybe they shouldn't have switched to it thenJun 22 16:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm less concerned with the Freenode thing and more concerned with "US" servers ending up actually being in Chile and small island nations.Jun 22 16:19
schestowitzwhat are the hostnames of freenode right now?Jun 22 16:19
DaemonFCWhy would they be shutting down US servers unless they thought there were about to be legal problems in the US?Jun 22 16:19
DaemonFCI mean, with PIA.Jun 22 16:20
CrystalMathMinceR: eh, even the 100-strong LunarIRC won't change their ircd because of some proprietary ancient IRC clientJun 22 16:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe they ALREADY have Jun 22 16:20
schestowitzbut no canaryJun 22 16:20
schestowitzthey did this in HK IIRCJun 22 16:20
schestowitzpulled out servers out of thereJun 22 16:20
schestowitzmonths agoJun 22 16:20
CrystalMathMinceR: i understand that, tbhJun 22 16:20
schestowitzmaybe they just shrink :-)Jun 22 16:20
DaemonFCWell, the Chicago server is still in Illinois.Jun 22 16:20
schestowitzand it's cheaper to maintain servers in CHileJun 22 16:20
CrystalMaththere's nothing wrong with InspIRCdJun 22 16:20
DaemonFCBut they replaced US West and US East.Jun 22 16:20
activelowmost servers were European, always wondered whyJun 22 16:21
DaemonFCWell, they include notations on some of the servers that the actual server is somewhere else and the location is "geolocated" there.Jun 22 16:21
XRevan86> A Z-line or zap line (also written Z:line) is similar to a K-line, but applied to a client's IP address range, and is considered to be used in extreme cases.Jun 22 16:21
DaemonFCBut no such note about the US servers.Jun 22 16:21
schestowitzwell, they shut me out anywayJun 22 16:21
schestowitzwell done, freenode. you need not even convince me to quitJun 22 16:22
schestowitzthe trump train keeps going choo-chooJun 22 16:22
schestowitzto nowhereJun 22 16:22
schestowitzunder 1000 online users by xmasJun 22 16:22
XRevan86schestowitz: Like… all of your clients?Jun 22 16:22
schestowitznone of this happened until they tore apart the systems they had inheritedJun 22 16:23
schestowitzXRevan86: just someJun 22 16:23
schestowitzbut that's bad enoughJun 22 16:23
DaemonFCI might move over to Mozilla VPN.Jun 22 16:28
DaemonFCIt's just Mullvad with a different client program (Under the MPL 2.).Jun 22 16:28
DaemonFCI haven't heard of anyone getting infringement letters with Mullvad.Jun 22 16:28
DaemonFCSo it stands that Mozilla VPN is probably safe.Jun 22 16:28
DaemonFCVPN subscriptions saves me more than it costs.Jun 22 16:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla VPN Makes Absolutely NO SENSE - YouTubeJun 22 16:30
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft has #NSA back doors, but let's focus on what can be done on "Linux" provided it is already compromised, somehow... 22 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wormable DarkRadiation Ransomware Targets Linux and Docker InstancesJun 22 16:30
techrights-bot/fnLet's talk not about Microsoft back doors but about how #hardware defects (nothing to do with Linux) can cause Linux to slow down a bit 22 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Do you want speed or security as expected? Spectre CPU defenses can cripple performance on Linux in tests • The RegisterJun 22 16:32
XRevan86I need to ask the people on freenode, such as cubexyz, cybrNaut, KindOnescientes, smnthermes, zoobab, this: what stops you from connecting to the channels on ?Jun 22 16:33
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XRevan86* KindOne, scientesJun 22 16:35
schestowitzmaybe old habits and 20 years if brand powerJun 22 16:35
schestowitzno matter if FN is no longer the same. Different people, different software too.Jun 22 16:36
techrights-bot/fnGames: Heroic Games Launcher, Peachleaf Valley, Residual • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Heroic Games Launcher, Peachleaf Valley, Residual | Tux MachinesJun 22 16:36
techrights-bot/fnA More Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day #LibreOffice #opendocumentJun 22 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A More Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The DayJun 22 16:38
MinceRi'm on freenode and nothing stops me from connecting here :>Jun 22 16:41
techrights-bot/fn#Patents are Political, says someone who takes money from #litigation firms to do political #lobbying for #swpats and other ludicrous patents (they made it about business, not science) 22 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patents are Political | Patently-OJun 22 16:41
XRevan86MinceR: "your problems are not my problems"Jun 22 16:41
techrights-bot/fnOf course the court supports the notion that #fakepatents need to go away #patent #ptab #usptoJun 22 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States v. Arthrex: Supreme Court Preserves the PTAB | Patently-OJun 22 16:42
XRevan86Libera: may ban someone, splitting the community maybe? we cannot allow that!Jun 22 16:42
XRevan86freedom: bans all the time, splits communities like it's nothing. it's fine as long as I can connect.Jun 22 16:42
MinceRi'm also connected to illibera and oftcJun 22 16:43
techrights-bot/fnSo what's the next plan for #patent extremists. Recruit insurrectionists to bomb #PTAB hJun 22 16:43
MinceRdoesn't mean i have to like any of themJun 22 16:43
MinceRor to have illusions about their ircopsJun 22 16:44
MinceRalso, i haven't received my random free z-line yetJun 22 16:45
techrights-bot/fn#chemeurope ... Another publisher that writes spam for corrupt EPO management in order to distract from EPO #crimes see 22 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Long-lasting data storage with encapsulated DNAJun 22 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | TechrightsJun 22 16:45
XRevan86MinceR: My idea is that I want to push everyone on the freenode side to join the self-hosted server, and if that fails I want to continue pushing schestowitz to open a presence on Libera. Because if we cannot achieve the former, then the latter is better than what we have.Jun 22 16:46
MinceRicJun 22 16:46
MinceRor we could consider opening a presence on some other irc networkJun 22 16:47
immibisactivelow: odd to avoid airlines just because microsoft is making the entertainment system or the scheduling system or whateverJun 22 16:47
schestowitzwhat's the benefit of LC?Jun 22 16:47
XRevan86MinceR: Preferrably even more obscure.Jun 22 16:47
schestowitzMore people does not imply better discussionsJun 22 16:47
MinceRindeedJun 22 16:47
XRevan86schestowitz: I casted particular people intentionallyJun 22 16:47
MinceRobscure is preferable to hostile to free softwareJun 22 16:47
schestowitzit's like all that outreach crap that ends up eating oneselfJun 22 16:48
XRevan86MinceR: We already have obscure: this.Jun 22 16:48
MinceRit is also preferable to "random z-lines lol"Jun 22 16:48
schestowitzlet's bring people from race x, gender y, county zJun 22 16:48
MinceRXRevan86: it could be less obscure than thisJun 22 16:48
schestowitzand then you recruit people who don't care about your causeJun 22 16:48
schestowitzso you become xyz instead of what you actually stand forJun 22 16:48
schestowitzsee EFFJun 22 16:48
immibis<CrystalMath> some of my friends are making a gateway proxy <-- why the fuck would you do this, instead of just accepting freenode is a burning pile of dog piss, and quitting it for goodJun 22 16:48
XRevan86What's a gateway proxy? Like this bridge?Jun 22 16:49
MinceRsticking to burning piles of dog piss worked out so well for our community, why stop now?Jun 22 16:49
activelowimmibis: this is reason enough alreadyJun 22 16:49
CrystalMathimmibis: no uJun 22 16:49
activelowanyway, couldn't fully comprehend yet the fuss around AT&T, SCO, Novell and MicrosoftJun 22 16:49
immibisXRevan86: they can't get on freenode the normal way for some reason so they MITM themselves to fix the bugsJun 22 16:49
CrystalMathit's also for LunarIRCJun 22 16:50
immibisactivelow: it is only a reason if you have a "personal" grudge against microsoft, rather than just hating their specific business activitiesJun 22 16:50
activelowwikipedia says AT&T was denied to commercialize their Unix when AT&T was state ownedJun 22 16:50
XRevan86MinceR: Libera is a common denominator where everyone is except for a very select few.Jun 22 16:50
activelowimmibis: i am having a grudge against privatised telcoJun 22 16:50
MinceRthat's a new spin on the old "you're just haters" yarn, i guessJun 22 16:50
XRevan86Just like freenode was.Jun 22 16:50
MinceRXRevan86: until ibm pays them moreJun 22 16:50
immibisactivelow: have you tried making a telco? Not sarcasmJun 22 16:50
immibismore people who are pissed off with telcos should try making their ownJun 22 16:51
immibisor pissed off with anything computer-related, reallyJun 22 16:51
MinceRimmibis: where would they get the capital?Jun 22 16:51
immibisfiber cable is $0.30 per meterJun 22 16:51
MinceRand how would they get the government (typically already captured by the old telcos) to let them build infrastructure?Jun 22 16:51
schestowitzvery expensiveJun 22 16:51
immibisor at least was, a couple years ago, at one specific locationJun 22 16:51
XRevan86I wonder why cubexyz isn't writing anything anymore. He used to be active.Jun 22 16:51
schestowitzand even more for underwater maintenanceJun 22 16:51
schestowitzXRevan86: he was never very activeJun 22 16:52
schestowitzsometimes silent for monthsJun 22 16:52
immibisMinceR: 1) it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, 2) you probably don't need as much permission as you think you do, even if you do everything by the bookJun 22 16:52
MinceRlolJun 22 16:52
immibisMinceR: unless they have a law like "no telcos except comcast", you can simply do itJun 22 16:52
activelowseems AT&T Unix was freely available to universities, at the timeJun 22 16:52
MinceRhere the government sues you if you fix a pothole and forces you to dig it out againJun 22 16:52
immibisMinceR: now, you may have problems with other laws, like running cables across other people's land...Jun 22 16:52
MinceRimagine what they would do if you dug up the street to install cablesJun 22 16:52
XRevan86Ah, he actually wrote a bit more than a week ago, I just missed it.Jun 22 16:53
immibisMinceR: digging up the street is a routine operation done for all sorts of reasons, have you researched the requirements?Jun 22 16:53
MinceRno, but i know that there's like 1 or 2 telco available hereJun 22 16:53
immibisit happens every day without significant issues (just always on a different bit of street)Jun 22 16:53
MinceRand in most places in this country there's only 1 telco/ISPJun 22 16:53
immibisMinceR: anyway who says you have to dig up the street? tried aerial cables?Jun 22 16:53
immibisMinceR: or wireless?Jun 22 16:54
MinceRthe aerial posts are owned by somebody tooJun 22 16:54
XRevan86Anyway, my idea is that when there are valued members that won't or can't join this server, then it's easier to convince to accomodate them.Jun 22 16:54
activelowand it was Stallman who was involved with POSIX, interesting, didn't know that yet eitherJun 22 16:54
immibisMinceR: it could literally start with a cable between you and your neighbour across both your propertyJun 22 16:54
MinceRi'm not sure about wirelessJun 22 16:54
MinceRmaybe WiMAX would work?Jun 22 16:54
MinceRimmibis: and who has access to the Internet backbone, me or my neighbor?Jun 22 16:54
immibisMinceR: there are many technologies, and I do not know the details because I was interested in wired networks because they are generally better if you are able to physically construct themJun 22 16:54
techrights-bot/fnThere is no such thing as "Intellectual Property Rights"; They're not Intellectual, not Property, and not Rights. Does a law degree entitle you to lie to the public? ䷉ #singhaniaJun 22 16:55
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MinceRwell, yeahJun 22 16:55
MinceRi'm all for starting local mesh networks, but that's not the same as running your own telco or ISPJun 22 16:55
immibisMinceR: Either of you can hire a business connection from your incumbent ISP. And work on upgrading that later. Unless they say "fuck off, no competition allowed"Jun 22 16:55
XRevan86techrights existed just fine on freenode for many years, and I really don't think it'll be any worse on Libera. Meanwhile, on the new freenode it gets worse constantly.Jun 22 16:55
immibisin which case, that is a serious concern. I know in NZ they have some sort of neutrality law to prohibit that sort of thing.Jun 22 16:55
MinceRif your problem is that your incumbent ISP sucks, how will getting a business connection from them help?Jun 22 16:56
immibisMinceR: depends on the kind of suckiness, when I did my research, I was focused on reducing costsJun 22 16:56
XRevan86To me it's like restoring the connection.Jun 22 16:56
immibisthe actual connection was fineJun 22 16:56
techrights-bot/fn#Patent extremists and profiteers are sobbing a lot this week. Pass them a cup to soak the tears and explain to them that #patents aren't rights and many granted patents are simply fake and part of a #scam to protect the few, at everyone else's expense #ptabJun 22 16:56
MinceRimmibis: ah, so it's about sharing a business connection with the neighborsJun 22 16:56
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MinceRthat sounds doableJun 22 16:56
immibisMinceR: but I believe they usually come with much better SLAs, and cost accordingly exorbitant prices, but if you can spread that price around more people, it can workJun 22 16:57
immibisyou are buying a "good" product instead of a "cheap" productJun 22 16:57
MinceR:>Jun 22 16:57
immibisresidential connections from a lot of ISPs are "cheap" productsJun 22 16:57
immibisMinceR: Yes, and this connection sharing arrangement, *is an ISP*Jun 22 16:57
activelowimmibis: i studied at German Telecom University, insofar i did try my bestJun 22 16:57
XRevan86Like schestowitz kept saying that freenode is important, and that's how I feel too, except not towards the domain name.Jun 22 16:57
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activelowimmibis: up until when some certain red lines were crossed, they may hire their PHd candidates elsewhere now, i don't give a ...*Jun 22 16:58
immibisMinceR: an ISP is *any organization* that gives you internet, doesn't matter how it's set up. You hear "start an ISP" and think "hire a lawyer to fill in 3 metric tonnes of paperwork", I say it and I think "share a business connection with your neighbours"Jun 22 16:58
activelowmaybe Microsoft can propose same Telco management staff now?Jun 22 16:58
XRevan86The community is important, the organisation of the network that helped form that community is important, and all those things are still there.Jun 22 16:59
MinceRwell, i was thinking more about building infrastructure between backbone (something like BIX) and customers' premisesJun 22 16:59
immibisMinceR: (and if they won't give you a business internet connection for an ISP, you can investigate other options, like buying IP space, leasing a line to an IXP and using a spare desktop as a main router since it's only serving a handful of people...)Jun 22 16:59
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schestowitzXRevan86: many here are long timersJun 22 16:59
schestowitzand LC would very much not have a lot to offer to usJun 22 17:00
schestowitzmaybe #python or #perl are differentJun 22 17:00
schestowitzbecause people come there for different reasons than hereJun 22 17:00
immibisMinceR: I think usually it's split more like customer premises -> PoP (i.e. your ISP's office/datacenter) -> backbone. And you could focus on one half of thatJun 22 17:00
MinceRimmibis: ok, i see your pointJun 22 17:00
XRevan86schestowitz: It has the same to offer as before.Jun 22 17:00
schestowitzbtw, does anything actually happen at LC:/techrights?Jun 22 17:01
schestowitzI never logged into or connected to LCJun 22 17:01
CrystalMathXRevan86: well libera is the less than half the size of the old freenodeJun 22 17:01
CrystalMaththat's a success on its own, every strike against SJWs is goodJun 22 17:01
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't think it matters while it is unregistered.Jun 22 17:01
schestowitzyeahJun 22 17:01
CrystalMathevery time SJWs lose something it's a victoryJun 22 17:01
schestowitzand I doubt much is said there regardlessJun 22 17:01
schestowitzit's like walking into a cave instead of a houseJun 22 17:02
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schestowitzand then proclaiming to have "property"Jun 22 17:02
MinceRi was in libera/#techrights once, looked like a techrights haters clubJun 22 17:02
schestowitzbased on nicks?Jun 22 17:02
immibisMinceR: if you want to run something that's not a mesh, you probably want to focus on the "access network" which is the part that gets physical connections to as many customers as possible for the cheapest price possible. Therefore they usually try to not put as little equipment as possible there. It's just a big glorified multiplexer. You want your expensive routers to be on the multiplexed side of that multiplexer, as close to your PoP as Jun 22 17:02
immibispossible because then you need less of them to serve more connectionsJun 22 17:02
XRevan86Now that techrights came around on freenode, the sentiment may differ anyway.Jun 22 17:02
immibisMinceR: also all this is kinda conjecture, I did not actually build an ISP, I got pulled away from that idea by some company promising 3x my salary if I move halfway around the worldJun 22 17:03
XRevan86schestowitz: Anyway, the idea is that the people that indeed come to #perl and #python can join #techrights on the same network.Jun 22 17:03
MinceRschestowitz: based on discussionJun 22 17:03
CrystalMathXRevan86: the unofficial #perlJun 22 17:03
CrystalMathsince the official perl is on :PJun 22 17:03
CrystalMathand it's #perl-helpJun 22 17:03
XRevan86CrystalMath: It's so unofficial it's mentioned on 22 17:04
immibisschestowitz: naturally not very much since it's not the official channel. when I was there it was mainly the people banned from FN techrightsJun 22 17:04
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CrystalMathXRevan86: it is in fact unofficialJun 22 17:04
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XRevan86CrystalMath: I wonder why it exists and prominent thenJun 22 17:04
CrystalMathXRevan86: there's also a #perl on freenode, it's also unofficialJun 22 17:04
CrystalMathand due to shenanigans, there's also a ##perl on freenodeJun 22 17:05
CrystalMaththat's Dresden's faultJun 22 17:05
immibisMinceR: point is, complaining does nothing, you have to work up the courage to go out there and actually do something, or you're no better than a SJW liberatard. And not be afraid of starting small, and not be afraid of the possibility of utterly failing eitherJun 22 17:05
XRevan86CrystalMath: The idlers don't know how to rejoin, makes sense.Jun 22 17:05
CrystalMathXRevan86: nope they changed their autojoin from #perl to ##perlJun 22 17:05
CrystalMathbecause Dresden promised more relaxed rulesJun 22 17:05
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MinceRimmibis: tell that to activelow Jun 22 17:06
activelowi was caught by surprise slightly when assuming freenode was operated by and for academics and related topics, including philosophy and politicsJun 22 17:07
immibisactivelow: when was the last time you tried to write software for aeroplanes?Jun 22 17:07
XRevan86CrystalMath: Really don't know how that is, it doesn't pop up in the search engine either.Jun 22 17:07
XRevan86* who that isJun 22 17:07
activelowimmibis: wasn't directly involved with thisJun 22 17:07
CrystalMathXRevan86: a freenode person who got K-linedJun 22 17:07
XRevan86Not Putin, is it? He was stationed in Dresden at one pointJun 22 17:07
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schestowitzjust checked, 31 people onlineJun 22 17:07
CrystalMathXRevan86: lol :PJun 22 17:07
activelowimmibis: for some weeks i should code for an airbus supplier, who implemented some industrial image processing algorithmsJun 22 17:07
CrystalMathXRevan86: no there was someone named Dresden on freenodeJun 22 17:07
schestowitzused their webchat clientJun 22 17:07
CrystalMathhe was cool until he started raging against anonchatJun 22 17:07
activelowimmibis: i rejected their offer to work for 1400Euros minus taxesJun 22 17:08
immibisnot sure if typo or povertyJun 22 17:08
immibisor different way of measuring salaryJun 22 17:08
XRevan86CrystalMath: That made him a SJW, and his k-line is a victory?Jun 22 17:08
activelowimmibis: then i worked for an eutelsat subsidiary and implemented some traffic accounting system in Perl there, 1400Euros againJun 22 17:08
immibisXRevan86: libera staff are SJWs and k-lining people from libera is their victoryJun 22 17:08
activelowthen i worked for some Volkswagen supplier who implemented some automotive infotainment, again 1400 eurosJun 22 17:09
CrystalMathXRevan86: no, Dresden is just... i don't even knowJun 22 17:09
schestowitzsuperkuh is there Jun 22 17:09
schestowitzthey might as well change the topic to point to the real networkJun 22 17:09
MinceRunless it's +tJun 22 17:10
MinceRas nobody has opJun 22 17:10
schestowitznot the 'fake' channel simply inherited by people changing their IRC client's settingsJun 22 17:10
CrystalMathMinceR: i could maybe ask some libera staff to do it?Jun 22 17:10
CrystalMathjust to change the topicJun 22 17:10
XRevan86schestowitz: It's unregistered, so no topic change %)Jun 22 17:10
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 22 17:10
activelowthe last time i got in touch, and this will be the very last time in my life, was when I was ordered to implement some NoSQL text processing to categorize documents for German Aerospace and Telecom supplierJun 22 17:11
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schestowitzXRevan86: here's the thingJun 22 17:12
schestowitzI know it sounds repetitive butJun 22 17:13
schestowitz1) freenode is what's already in placeJun 22 17:13
schestowitz2) objective is to become self-hostedJun 22 17:13
schestowitz3) extending to another (new) network harms (2)Jun 22 17:13
schestowitzthere are other issues, which relate to why (2) is so important, inc. governanceJun 22 17:13
XRevan86schestowitz: My question is: does freenode have any value over just being the legacy home?Jun 22 17:13
schestowitzfreenode's value is in a freefallJun 22 17:14
schestowitzthey'll just do their thing... let themJun 22 17:14
XRevan86because if it does, then that should be relocatedJun 22 17:14
schestowitzit isJun 22 17:14
schestowitzto hereJun 22 17:14
XRevan86Annoyingly not a single person I casted replied.Jun 22 17:14
schestowitzno prodding neededJun 22 17:15
schestowitzif they destory their own networks, then they have only themselves to blame.  Right now I cannot even connect to freenode from my main laptopJun 22 17:15
schestowitzsecond time in less than a weekJun 22 17:15
immibisMinceR: btw since you asked "where do I get the capital?", your side have been constantly telling me that it's easy to get capital by working hard, so just do thatJun 22 17:16
schestowitzone possible thing to do, risk free, is to announce in the LC channel that they should move to this networkJun 22 17:16
MinceRimmibis: "my side"? you're confusing me with someone elseJun 22 17:16
XRevan86schestowitz: This whole discussion started (and then derailed) from my saying that it all boils down to whether some things just can't be moved over from the big network.Jun 22 17:16
immibisMinceR: are you not a supporter of capitalism and/or a libertarian?Jun 22 17:16
MinceRimmibis: defined how?Jun 22 17:17
XRevan86So I'm probing for whether that's the case or not.Jun 22 17:17
schestowitzheck, maybe even a daily reminder would helpJun 22 17:17
immibisMinceR: by your own definitionJun 22 17:17
schestowitzto nudge people to where actual discussion happensJun 22 17:17
MinceRimmibis: if i want to own property and have freedom, does that mean that i have to believe that it's easy to amass capital in this joke of a society that we have? it does not followJun 22 17:17
XRevan86schestowitz: Then it somehow turned into a discussion about that there are other weird networks out there, and then that actually all hail rasengan for saving us from SJWsJun 22 17:19
MinceRdid he really, though?Jun 22 17:19
XRevan86MinceR: Can't go wrong with that many k-linesJun 22 17:19
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immibisMinceR: generally people support capitalism because they believe it's the system that makes it easiest to amass wealth, i.e. capital, out of all possible systemsJun 22 17:20
CrystalMathimmibis: that's not why i support itJun 22 17:20
immibisCrystalMath: you believe it is not the system that makes it easiest to amass wealth?Jun 22 17:21
XRevan86immibis: Different people mean different specifics by "capitalism".Jun 22 17:21
CrystalMathi support it because i believe nobody but the person themselves knows best about the path that person should takeJun 22 17:21
MinceRXRevan86: even if nobody gets to connect to freenode ever again, how does that save us from SJWs?Jun 22 17:21
schestowitzCNXSOFT posting pure junk now :-) 22 17:21
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CrystalMathimmibis: i believe in everyone choosing their own way without anyone telling them what to doJun 22 17:21
XRevan86MinceR: That just means that the SJW is YOUJun 22 17:21
MinceRlolJun 22 17:21
CrystalMathimmibis: freedom from others is the #1 reason why i like capitalism, i don't care about becoming richJun 22 17:21
CrystalMathit's ALL about freedom to meJun 22 17:21
MinceRimmibis: generally people mean different things by "capitalism" and with some people even that keeps changingJun 22 17:21
schestowitzCrystalMath: makes senseJun 22 17:22
immibisCrystalMath: why do you participate in most of society then? It means giving up freedomJun 22 17:22
schestowitzsome people think money liberates themJun 22 17:22
MinceRimmibis: i insist on the right to property because there's no way to have IT security or privacy without itJun 22 17:22
schestowitzfrom worry etc.Jun 22 17:22
XRevan86MinceR: CrystalMath definitely doesn't have a problem with assuming that everyone means the same thing as he does.Jun 22 17:22
immibislike, living in a town means you lose the right to shoot your guns wherever you wantJun 22 17:22
schestowitzit's true to a point, where you no longer get threatening calls from a bankJun 22 17:22
schestowitzor your children, if any, don't risk death/starvationJun 22 17:22
immibisMinceR: the right to property is not capitalism, capitalism is the right to own profits generated by other people, as propertyJun 22 17:22
MinceRimmibis: and i distrust command economy because it has been very well demonstrated that it only leads to suffering and ruinJun 22 17:22
CrystalMathschestowitz: nah it just adds more worryJun 22 17:23
immibisand the system which naturally results from people being able to trade these rights to own profits Jun 22 17:23
activelowi am surprised i wasn't threatened anymoreJun 22 17:23
MinceRimmibis: see, the person i asked what capitalism was before you said it was basically just the right to propertyJun 22 17:23
activelowthey tried to incarcerate meJun 22 17:23
activelowgot the documentsJun 22 17:23
CrystalMathimmibis: i believe society should be just voluntaryJun 22 17:23
immibisMinceR: well, if you can own anything as property, you can also own these profit rights. If you couldn't own these profit rights, that would be a state limitation on propertyJun 22 17:23
MinceRimmibis: so according to you capitalism is being able to employ other people?Jun 22 17:23
MinceRprofit rights are not objects, so they're not propertyJun 22 17:24
immibisMinceR: it's more like ownership without working. If you own X you get paid even if you don't work. That's capitalismJun 22 17:24
MinceRthey might be monopolies, though i'm not sure how that would workJun 22 17:24
immibisMinceR: what do you think about intellectual property?Jun 22 17:24
immibisor sharesJun 22 17:24
MinceRImaginary Property should not be enforceableJun 22 17:24
schestowitzXRevan86: tell me if I'm off my rocket, but to me LC it proof that number of users mean nothing to a network. You can have many users with ridiculous debate or no debate at all.. LC might seem ok for a "numbers games", but in practice not of value to usJun 22 17:24
immibisat least that's consistent, what about shares?Jun 22 17:24
schestowitz*rockerJun 22 17:24
CrystalMathi agree with mincer, "intellectual" "property", which is neither intellectual nor property, is bullcrapJun 22 17:24
XRevan86CrystalMath: I think this is the second time I give you this linkJun 22 17:25
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schestowitzCrystalMath: it's a ploy to enrich the richJun 22 17:25
schestowitztechdirt recently wrote about it tooJun 22 17:25
XRevan86"i believe society should be just voluntary" – regarding thisJun 22 17:25
schestowitzsomething along the lines of, if we have big tech so much, why do we keep giving them patent monopolies?Jun 22 17:25
immibisyou have to define what counts as voluntary. I can voluntarily shoot you in the face - that's voluntary for me, but not for you. Or we can reverse that, and make it voluntary for you, but not for me. Neither one is fully voluntary. One is better, but neither is voluntaryJun 22 17:25
CrystalMathXRevan86: i know you disagreeJun 22 17:26
CrystalMathimmibis: the only interaction that happens should be voluntary on both sides, otherwise there should be no interactionJun 22 17:26
XRevan86CrystalMath: It's not just disagreeing, I think that ye live in an imaginary world where everything is possible.Jun 22 17:26
immibisCrystalMath: but that means you can't walk in my line of sight unless I agree to itJun 22 17:26
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CrystalMathimmibis: and you can't look at me unless i agree with it, by that logicJun 22 17:27
MinceRimmibis: if you want to have limited liability, you're going to have shares. i think limited liability is a good idea.Jun 22 17:27
CrystalMathbut that's not what i meanJun 22 17:27
immibisCrystalMath: correct. unless you start redefining words like "interaction" and "voluntary", which is what most libertarians seem to actually doJun 22 17:27
XRevan86schestowitz: If this is regarding #techrights on Libera, I don't think about it right now. If this is about the established channels, being on Libera is of great value to anyone who seeks answers to qeustions about free software.Jun 22 17:27
CrystalMathi think liberal.crap is the worst network, run by anti-RMS SJWs, and should be avoided at all costsJun 22 17:28
activelowit isn't "intellectual properties", it is author's rights, with the surrounding legal framework including patents, licensing, yet too social security and labor market regulations (or none thereof)Jun 22 17:28
CrystalMathactivelow: right, that name is stupidJun 22 17:28
immibisMinceR: there's no reason the ownership of the shares has to be decided the way it currently is, i.e. with voluntary trading starting from the original founder of the company. We could just as well say that workers have shares, which is something like what the socialists want, for exampleJun 22 17:28
XRevan86I guess RMS is stupid, right? Because he chose to back that network.Jun 22 17:28
MinceRimmibis: yes, and cooperatives already existJun 22 17:28
MinceRXRevan86: maybe he gets off on being cancelledJun 22 17:29
CrystalMathXRevan86: he said "for now" and that it's relatively betterJun 22 17:29
XRevan86I like how these pro-RMS people don't give a damn about RMS.Jun 22 17:29
activelowmaybe not CrystalMath, yet "intellectual property" is deflecting from the issue at hand: which is author's rightsJun 22 17:29
MinceRXRevan86: and that's fine. we've survived without the FSF before and we'll survive once the FSF nukes itself.Jun 22 17:29
immibisauthors have no rights, only capitalists do, they get the rights to the work you produce because they pay your salaryJun 22 17:29
XRevan86CrystalMath: This already means that freenode is something he wants no part of.Jun 22 17:29
CrystalMathactivelow: no i mean the term "intellectual property" is stupidJun 22 17:29
techrights-bot/fn#Qualcomm "HEY HI" Engine.... more meaningless #marketing and hype. I remember when the term meant ML, not just nebulous buzzwords thrown at everything.Jun 22 17:29
immibisand the rights can be traded. Which makes them property.Jun 22 17:29
immibisMinceR: so are shares property?Jun 22 17:30
MinceRnot sureJun 22 17:30
CrystalMathXRevan86: i'm aware of that, but freenode has no bearing on libera whatsoever, and doesn't excuse their SJW actions even one bitJun 22 17:30
MinceRask a juristJun 22 17:30
XRevan86> run by anti-RMS SJWsJun 22 17:30
activelowat least humans cannot be traded, that's illegal, slavery. explain this to EUJun 22 17:30
XRevan86Just don't mention RMS when supporting freenode, okay?Jun 22 17:30
CrystalMathyes, 4 of their staff signed a letter against RMSJun 22 17:30
CrystalMaththat's a new record for IRC networksJun 22 17:30
XRevan86CrystalMath: RMS is willing to give Libera a chance, freenode doesn't deserve that.Jun 22 17:30
techrights-bot/fnutines." 22 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Jun 22 17:31
CrystalMathnumber of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 1, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ...Jun 22 17:31
techrights-bot/fnJanet Blackquill: "you can implement a rudimentary version of algebraic effects using C++ coroutines." #programmingJun 22 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | C++ Coroutines Three: More Than Asynchrony – Janet's ShenanigansJun 22 17:31
MinceRCrystalMath: i'm pretty sure oftc has moreJun 22 17:31
CrystalMathi counted oneJun 22 17:32
XRevan86freenode staffers have other methods towards the people they disagree with.Jun 22 17:32
MinceR 22 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OFTC - StaffJun 22 17:32
XRevan86letters… they're just too formalJun 22 17:32
immibisMinceR: a jurist would say yes. A jurist would also say copyright ssis propertyJun 22 17:32
immibiscopyrights are*Jun 22 17:32
immibisand patents and trademarksJun 22 17:32
CrystalMathoh hmmJun 22 17:32
MinceRimmibis: strange, i thought jurists did work for some free software organizationsJun 22 17:32
techrights-bot/fn#Haiku R1/Beta3 Timeline Approved #HaikuOSJun 22 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Haiku R1/Beta3 Timeline Approved | Haiku ProjectJun 22 17:33
CrystalMathso it's 3Jun 22 17:33
CrystalMathnumber of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 3, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ...Jun 22 17:33
MinceRi'd say a limited liability company is property, and partial ownership of that is a shareJun 22 17:33
immibisMinceR: even those ones would say the same thing, because you are asking them to tell you the truth, not what you want to hearJun 22 17:33
MinceRriiiightJun 22 17:33
CrystalMathOFTC is a scourge, as well, i will reconsider my account thereJun 22 17:33
MinceRimmibis' preferences are "The Truth"Jun 22 17:33
immibisMinceR: current laws are the truth about current laws.Jun 22 17:34
immibisMinceR: i can't just say that I prefer murder to be legal, therefore murder is legal, which is what you're saying.Jun 22 17:34
immibis(except you're saying it about theft)Jun 22 17:34
immibisyou can say it *shouldn't* be considered as property, but to say that it's *not* is incorrectJun 22 17:35
MinceRimmibis: you do realize that 1) laws can be changed and 2) laws can be morally wrong, right?Jun 22 17:35
MinceRimmibis: also, maybe you can explain to me how making a copy of some information is theftJun 22 17:35
schestowitzmany work worked for freenode also work for OFTCJun 22 17:35
schestowitzand they ban the same peopleJun 22 17:36
schestowitzpeople who rallied in support of RMS, tooJun 22 17:36
schestowitzsometimes they would ban such people in both networks simultaneouslyJun 22 17:36
*XRevan86 heard some stories of unprofessional bans from the OFTC staff.Jun 22 17:36
schestowitzthe cliques overlapJun 22 17:36
XRevan86Don't know how that holds ground or how significant.Jun 22 17:36
immibisMinceR: I realize both of those, and you are incorrect to say that the law you would *like* to have, is the current lawJun 22 17:36
*immibis heard some stories of unprofessional bans from the TR staff.Jun 22 17:37
schestowitzI see OFTC as a sub-brand of those who ran freenode and now run LCJun 22 17:37
schestowitza branchJun 22 17:37
XRevan86immibis: I know there is one such upset person.Jun 22 17:37
schestowitzlike companies that sell under another nameJun 22 17:37
schestowitzCoka/FantaJun 22 17:37
XRevan86I don't know why he didn't join this server.Jun 22 17:37
schestowitz*Cocaine/CokeJun 22 17:37
XRevan86schestowitz: There is definitely some cross-pollination.Jun 22 17:38
activelowclub-mate is the legit brandJun 22 17:38
CrystalMathMinceR: correction, it's 4 for OFTCJun 22 17:38
CrystalMathso 4 for OFTC, 4 for liberiaJun 22 17:38
schestowitzsee?Jun 22 17:38
MinceRimmibis: maybe you can explain to me how making a copy of some information is theft?Jun 22 17:38
schestowitzsame problemJun 22 17:38
XRevan86schestowitz: But if this had been 100% correct, there would've been no Libera.Jun 22 17:38
CrystalMathnumber of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 4, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ...Jun 22 17:38
schestowitzmaybe in the future it will ever be more than 4Jun 22 17:38 0Jun 22 17:39
schestowitzas of yesterdayJun 22 17:39
CrystalMathyeah :PJun 22 17:39
CrystalMathit had 1Jun 22 17:39
MinceR:)Jun 22 17:39
schestowitznow my worry about LC is this:Jun 22 17:39
schestowitzperson x used to be in freenodeJun 22 17:39
schestowitzrealises freenode is a toilet tissueJun 22 17:39
schestowitzmoved to LCJun 22 17:39
schestowitzjoins techrights because the client is set up this wayJun 22 17:39
schestowitzmisled into thinking some people who I don't know are us.... and can incite against usJun 22 17:40
schestowitzusing our own name, which can be misleadingJun 22 17:40
XRevan86schestowitz: That's a valid point. Register the channels then.Jun 22 17:40
schestowitzlike buying a car that's mislabeled and harming the brand of the real thingJun 22 17:40
XRevan86My work done for me :)Jun 22 17:40
schestowitzXRevan86: registering it would give the wrong impressionJun 22 17:40
XRevan86schestowitz: Write "main channel on" in the topic then.Jun 22 17:41
schestowitzI will use a web-based thing to watch it for a day and see if anything at all happens thereJun 22 17:41
XRevan86We discussed this a month ago, we even agreed to a plan that MinceR would hold the registration. And then it just went to "nah"Jun 22 17:41
schestowitzadding a bridge would encourage people to stay there and even join thereJun 22 17:41
schestowitzso like I said, a one-way bridge, from there to here, would have been betterJun 22 17:42
XRevan86schestowitz: Doesn't sound as bad as people joining freenode.Jun 22 17:42
schestowitzXRevan86: lolJun 22 17:42
schestowitzwho are those fictonal beings?Jun 22 17:42
schestowitznobody joinsJun 22 17:42
schestowitzsome stayJun 22 17:42
XRevan86schestowitz: That was accepted even before freenode died.Jun 22 17:42
schestowitzbut I very strongly doubt someone reads news and social control media and thinks, YES!! This is the network i want to JOIN!Jun 22 17:42
MinceRthe one way bridge sounds like a bad idea, regardless of directionJun 22 17:42
CrystalMathactually schestowitz Jun 22 17:42
CrystalMathi can maybe ask libera staff to just change the topicJun 22 17:43
schestowitzthat might helpJun 22 17:43
CrystalMathwithout techrights having to own channels on that putrid networkJun 22 17:43
XRevan86Darn it, I wanted to quote The Twelve Chairs, but I don't know the quote in English.Jun 22 17:43
immibisMinceR: i meant to say property, not theftJun 22 17:43
CrystalMathschestowitz: i'm on somewhat friendly terms with some libera staff actually, who aren't signers of the disgusting petitionJun 22 17:43
XRevan86help me out, WikiquoteJun 22 17:43
MinceR22 183440 < immibis> (except you're saying it about theft)Jun 22 17:43
CrystalMathschestowitz: but i don't connect to liberia to talk to them, rather, they're on hackintJun 22 17:44
CrystalMath(as normal users)Jun 22 17:44
MinceRfunny how contradicting official MAFIAA party lines is described as wishful thinking, even though they are the ones lying about the lawJun 22 17:44
XRevan86CrystalMath: Can't let the SJWs have thisJun 22 17:45
XRevan86I really don't understand what the problem is.Jun 22 17:45
immibis[18:43:40] <immibis> MinceR: i meant to say property, not theftJun 22 17:46
techrights-bot/fnIs Bristows still boosting #patentTrolls such as #Sisvel h Does it work for them? see 22 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Technical primers where infringement / essentiality / equivalents case involves complex technology - Mitsubishi & Sisvel v OnePlus & Xiaomi [2021] EWHC 1639 (Pat) - Kluwer Patent BlogJun 22 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bristows LLP - TechrightsJun 22 17:46
MinceRimmibis: oh, so what you meant was "i can't just say that I prefer property to be legal, therefore property is legal, which is what you're saying."Jun 22 17:47
schestowitzXRevan86: here's one way to put itJun 22 17:47
schestowitzon the internet, we have DNSJun 22 17:47
MinceRi can't figure that out, sorryJun 22 17:47
schestowitzIRC uses DNSJun 22 17:47
schestowitzbut IRC also has its own namespace Jun 22 17:47
schestowitz#[+1]Jun 22 17:48
schestowitzin terms of DNS, we're in control hereJun 22 17:48
XRevan86schestowitz: I get the control thing.Jun 22 17:48
schestowitzbut in namespaces spread across different networks we are notJun 22 17:48
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't get the "the SJW and Big FOSS will eat you there"Jun 22 17:48
schestowitzthe goal should be to put channels in the DNS systemJun 22 17:48
schestowitzor IPNS for IPFSJun 22 17:48
schestowitzbecause then people can be in more directly controlJun 22 17:48
schestowitzIRC was designed before the WWW was a thinkJun 22 17:48
MinceRDNS isn't such a great ideaJun 22 17:49
immibisMinceR: you can't just say that you prefer shares to not be property, therefore they aren'tJun 22 17:49
schestowitzit would suck if people's sites were all like (Google)Jun 22 17:49
XRevan86schestowitz: And exactly because Libera supersedes freenode, there are aforementioned implications.Jun 22 17:49
schestowitzXRevan86: I don't know what SJW even meansJun 22 17:49
schestowitzI know one person who calls himself thatJun 22 17:49
MinceRimmibis: not a question of preference. rather, whether they behave like property. but i think they do -- copying shares is meaningless, so they are scarceJun 22 17:49
immibisit means anyone to the left of hitlerJun 22 17:49
MinceRimmibis: and so it makes sense to ask who owns a particular shareJun 22 17:49
XRevan86schestowitz: CrystalMath says all kinds of things he doesn't know what they mean.Jun 22 17:50
schestowitzMinceR: agreed. [08:33] <techrights-bot/fn> The war on #dns is no longer motivated by #nationalSecurity pretexts but protection of BUSINESS interests, including unjust #monopolies ... in #ipfs we have #ipns to help replace and obviate away DNS. Let's do it! Does that support crime? No! In China you get in trouble just for wanting an election.Jun 22 17:50
immibisMinceR: trademark registrations are also like this, patent registrations, copyright registrations (implicit or explicit)Jun 22 17:50
schestowitz[08:31] <techrights-bot/fn> ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver #Quad9 (Updated) 22 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 (Updated) * TorrentFreakJun 22 17:50
schestowitzand that's just from yesterdayJun 22 17:50
MinceRimmibis: and yet copyright, trademark and patent are distinct from each otherJun 22 17:50
MinceRimmibis: and content and programs can be copied at a very low costJun 22 17:50
immibisMinceR: I didn't say programs. I said copyright registrations.Jun 22 17:51
MinceRimmibis: so, according to the law, there is no "Intellectual Property"Jun 22 17:51
XRevan86schestowitz: From what I've seen so far, CrystalMath just loves finding enemies of good.Jun 22 17:51
MinceRimmibis: and according to reality, copying is not theftJun 22 17:51
immibisMinceR: I didn't say programs. I said copyright registrations.Jun 22 17:51
schestowitzthey rarely need to be registeredJun 22 17:51
immibiscopying a copyright registration is also meaningless because the office knows it's a fake because they have the original to compare it toJun 22 17:51
schestowitzand hence they're cheap and attractiveJun 22 17:51
immibisschestowitz: hence (implicit or explicit). Copyright acts like you registered it, even if you didn't, but you might find it harder to prove in that caseJun 22 17:52
XRevan86So I'll continue mocking him, that's my defence reaction against categorical thinking.Jun 22 17:52
schestowitzit's the enforcement that can be costly and time-consumingJun 22 17:52
schestowitzusually copyright sorts itself out with gentlemen's agreementJun 22 17:52
schestowitzno lawsuits, no settlements with moneyJun 22 17:52
schestowitzwith patents and a physical product compliance costs are a lot higherJun 22 17:52
schestowitzso some people just say, get rid of all patents, completely. Some also suggest alternative systems.Jun 22 17:53
MinceRi agree with getting rid of all patents completelyJun 22 17:54
schestowitzFWIT, that one letter about FSF and RMS isn't a litmus test for "SJW" -- whatever that usJun 22 17:54
MinceRit has been a shitshow for quite some timeJun 22 17:54
schestowitzmaybe a lot of people signed it based on lies they saw online, like 22 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | TechrightsJun 22 17:54
MinceRpeople should not sign anything based on hearsayJun 22 17:54
MinceRif they do, that's on themJun 22 17:54
schestowitzI saw some article connected to 'Linux' (destroying) foundation still using this in the headingJun 22 17:55
schestowitznever bothered correcting  itJun 22 17:55
schestowitz 22 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | TechrightsJun 22 17:56
schestowitz"My hair is now orange and pink." 22 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) · GitHubJun 22 17:57
schestowitzokJun 22 17:57
schestowitzgoodJun 22 17:57
schestowitzmy hait was blondJun 22 17:58
schestowitznow it's brownJun 22 17:58
schestowitznow i will add it to my bioJun 22 17:58
XRevan86schestowitz: The reason why it's so hard to just convince me is because I don't have a strong opinion about this, I see routes and possibilities how this can work out. There are pros and there are cons.Jun 22 17:58
schestowitzmaintenance is a conJun 22 17:59
CrystalMathschestowitz: an SJW (social justice warrior) is a person who abuses the concept of social justice to dominate people with authoritarianism and controlJun 22 17:59
schestowitzI lost about 10 hours last week on FNJun 22 17:59
XRevan86schestowitz: Maintaining compatibility with older connections is a proJun 22 17:59
MinceRfor some people, brains are more important than hair; for other people, it's the other way aroundJun 22 17:59
MinceRbully de blanc has to make to with hairJun 22 17:59
schestowitzpeople gradually lose hairJun 22 18:00
CrystalMathBully de Blanc, niceJun 22 18:00
CrystalMaththat's her real nameJun 22 18:00
XRevan86schestowitz: Letting people participate without the need for joining a special network is a proJun 22 18:00
CrystalMathi mean her REAL nameJun 22 18:00
schestowitzit usually takes longer to lose a lot more brain cells that are recoveredJun 22 18:00
MinceRthere are some networks that are not short bus special :>Jun 22 18:00
MinceRincluding this one :>Jun 22 18:00
CrystalMathXRevan86: "finding enemies of good" sounds like cancel cultureJun 22 18:01
XRevan86The existing audience there is neither, participation is cultivated.Jun 22 18:01
schestowitzXRevan86: if they cared enough, they would joinJun 22 18:01
CrystalMathexactly, i think is the best home for techrightsJun 22 18:01
schestowitzmany there that I saw earlier (for the first time) are mostly idlersJun 22 18:01
XRevan86schestowitz: Unless that's a problem somehow.Jun 22 18:02
CrystalMathand we have a freenode bridge for people who still want thatJun 22 18:02
schestowitzsome I never even saw beforeJun 22 18:02
CrystalMaththere's like 60 people thereJun 22 18:02
CrystalMathon the freenode sideJun 22 18:02
schestowitzand i know them betterJun 22 18:02
schestowitzand trust themJun 22 18:02
schestowitzhere's a thingJun 22 18:02
schestowitzhang on, will log in with webchatJun 22 18:02
XRevan86> "finding enemies of good" sounds like cancel cultureJun 22 18:03
XRevan86CrystalMath: Categorical thinking is like that, isn't it.Jun 22 18:03
schestowitzthe following people I never saw, ever, and they choose to enter an UNofficial channels in a NEW network. WHY?Jun 22 18:03
schestowitzbleb, brabo, cbrtrnx, dy, deriksonJun 22 18:04
schestowitzwho are they?Jun 22 18:04
schestowitzso a new network was set up and they connect to it and enter an unofficial channel they never went on in freenode?Jun 22 18:04
schestowitzI only named A-DJun 22 18:04
schestowitzthere are moreJun 22 18:04
schestowitzthose people are unknown to meJun 22 18:04
schestowitzand they make up like half the channelJun 22 18:04
schestowitzin a NEW networkJun 22 18:04
XRevan86schestowitz: One possibility is that they found techrights to be interesting and joined the channel on the default network to lurkJun 22 18:05
MinceRthey choose their defaults poorlyJun 22 18:05
schestowitzand then saw it'sJun 22 18:05
schestowitz1) deadJun 22 18:05
schestowitz2) unofficialJun 22 18:05
XRevan86schestowitz: A lot of channels are on Libera and freenode right now.Jun 22 18:05
schestowitzand maybe even went to the site and realised they came to the wrong place, as there are two official ones and this isn't one of themJun 22 18:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Like try joining #mateJun 22 18:06
schestowitzsorry, mate, cannotJun 22 18:06
XRevan86schestowitz: MATE hasn't gotten around to registering yet. So the official channels looks a lot like #techrightsJun 22 18:06
XRevan86and they aren't even announced yet eitherJun 22 18:07
schestowitzMATE might not be happy about itJun 22 18:07
schestowitzbut then again MATE might be a support,  not dev, channelJun 22 18:07
schestowitzin which case they might say, let people support other peopleJun 22 18:07
XRevan86schestowitz: The person responsible is just busy with other things right now.Jun 22 18:07
XRevan86there aren't registered channels for the project *anywhere*Jun 22 18:08
XRevan86non-existentJun 22 18:08
techrights-bot/fnLive Updates: U.S. Prepares New Sanctions on #Russia For #Navalny Poisoning because the US never assassinated anyone, not even SUCCESSFULLY ;-)Jun 22 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Live Updates: U.S. Prepares New Sanctions on Russia For Navalny Poisoning | Barron'sJun 22 18:08
XRevan86schestowitz: There is a dev channel too. It's the whole namespace.Jun 22 18:10
techrights-bot/fnThis overlooks the fact that a very high proportion of patents granted by today's #EPO are invalid and not in compliance with the #EPC ; hardly a cause for celebration 22 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BioCardia Announces European Patent Office Decision to Grant Patent on Autologous Cell Therapy Patient Selection Diagnostic AssayJun 22 18:10
schestowitzXRevan86: it's different when users of something help other usersJun 22 18:11
schestowitzdevs probably don't want a support channel for themselvesJun 22 18:11
schestowitzthey're rather user forums where they can reuse answers by linkingJun 22 18:11
XRevan86I continue maintaining the bridge as the to be official channels and the channels named on the website continue to differ.Jun 22 18:11
XRevan86schestowitz: No, it's used.Jun 22 18:11
schestowitzand if there is an official channel with opinions and plans, not every random user of the software belongs there, they can even be trolledJun 22 18:11
schestowitzXRevan86: ah, okJun 22 18:12
schestowitzMATE is interestingJun 22 18:12
schestowitzdoes it address the systemd trap?Jun 22 18:12
activelownoJun 22 18:12
XRevan86schestowitz: Anyway, not the point. The point is that the official channels still look pathetic right now.Jun 22 18:12
activelowbesides the real issue is dbusJun 22 18:12
schestowitzI was gonna say dbusJun 22 18:12
schestowitzor redhatJun 22 18:12
schestowitzwhich is now ibmJun 22 18:13
MinceRdbugs is _another_ real issue :>Jun 22 18:13
schestowitzthe lock-in inherited by a company MORE notorious for vendor lockin and patent aggressionJun 22 18:13
activelowkde too is burned, although it is possible with some hacks to retain gtk and qtJun 22 18:13
schestowitzkde can work without systemdJun 22 18:13
MinceRthe last good version of kde survives as trinity deJun 22 18:14
schestowitzbut only gentoo does it, iircJun 22 18:14
activelowit can't without dbusJun 22 18:14
MinceRand it has dcopJun 22 18:14
schestowitzioslavesJun 22 18:14
XRevan86schestowitz: It supports elogind.Jun 22 18:14
schestowitzdid they rename these?Jun 22 18:14
MinceRwhich, unlike dbugs, actually works reliablyJun 22 18:14
MinceRand doesn't require you to write a domain name 3 times, in 2 formats, to address somethingJun 22 18:14
activelowkde3 (trinity project) can be patched, which i did, but i dropped kde3 too since it was simply too much effort, meanwhile the developer did continue with the gentoo tree for itJun 22 18:15
XRevan86schestowitz: And ConsoleKit2Jun 22 18:15
activelowwith qt6 and gtk4 i fear for the worst, since it doubles maintenance effort againJun 22 18:15
techrights-bot/fnWhen the #litigation profiteers fund the publications and the so-called 'news' sites it hardly surprises anyone that everything is seen in the framing of litigation and the talking points come from echo chambers 22 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | From the US to Europe: how counsel manage global litigation | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 22 18:16
activelowfurthermore it is widget toolkits to separate from the graphical desktop environment, the latter is of less concern, openbox/i3/fvwm are OKJun 22 18:16
XRevan86activelow: It's not as bad as with GTK 2 → GTK 3Jun 22 18:16
XRevan86but there are annoying pitfallsJun 22 18:16
activelowand it is the widget toolkits (not the graphical desktop) which lock into various relevant packages then a user expects: libreoffice, browsers, gimp, almost everythingJun 22 18:17
XRevan86The last CVE about mate-screenshot was my code updating a challenging deprecated API using bit of code there.Jun 22 18:17
XRevan86jwz mentioned it, I feel famous.Jun 22 18:18
MinceR:>Jun 22 18:18
techrights-bot/fnInstead of obeying high courts they try to work around the courts and around the law, at least until they get their lobbyists and bribed politicians to pass the next round/s of legislation to protect the rich and abolish courts' decisions (or people's interest) 22 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Brazil counsel embrace creative enforcement after SC ruling | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 22 18:18
activelowi am not joking when saying i am perparing for some even more radical fork and kick gcc, c++ and everything which depends on itJun 22 18:18
XRevan86It was a bit of a mindfsck, I published it a year after I made it to work.Jun 22 18:19
XRevan86still couldn't account for all the cases, obviouslyJun 22 18:19
techrights-bot/fnPublications funded by litigation giants never quote actual folks or ordinary people (they pretend they don't know anything, need corporate lawyers as 'nannies'), or most stakeholders with a stake in outcomes; instead they quote corporations or people looking to profit from litigation, change the law etc.Jun 22 18:20
XRevan86But it's done now, mate-screensaver uses GdkSeat and as such the most important piece of its coding is ready for GTK 4Jun 22 18:21
techrights-bot/fnMore #fakepatents from the #EPO ; in this case, #TeamUPC and proponents of #softwarepatents (litigation profiteers, they don't code anything) comment on this #kangaroocourt 22 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ensuring Data Integrity, Facilitating Centralized Control Of Logistics Plants And Improving Data Exchange To Other Logistics Plants: Non-technical - Intellectual Property - GermanyJun 22 18:22
XRevan86And the CVE got prominent only because Ubuntu 16.04 refused to fix it. So not all my fault.Jun 22 18:23
techrights-bot/fnThis promotes the lie or propaganda of "Intellectual Property", conflating actual laws with something that they're not 22 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Do I Protect My Business Idea – Our Step By Step Guide - Intellectual Property - UKJun 22 18:24
techrights-bot/fnInstead of solving coronavirus pandemic we're granting #monopolies #uspto #patentsJun 22 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Duke-NUS and GenScript Announce Notice of Allowance for U.S. Patent Application for SARS-CoV-2 Surrogate Virus Neutralization Test | BioSpaceJun 22 18:25
XRevan86They had time from Jan 2017 to fix it, and instead 16.04 just went EOL with the CVE unfixed.Jun 22 18:26
XRevan86The CVE was even published as such to make Ubuntu fix it.Jun 22 18:26
XRevan86didn't workJun 22 18:26
techrights-bot/fn#coronavirus <3 #patents because #patent #monopolies help it spread further and faster. The business model is, let it spread further, we'll have more CLIENTS. And stopping it by abundance of solutions is no longer the real objective. Not from a fiscal perspective.Jun 22 18:27
XRevan86There wouldn't've been a reason otherwise, as in a matter of weeks there wasn't a single instance of the bug present in the wild. Except for Ubuntu.Jun 22 18:27
XRevan86Ariadne laughed at RHEL for not patching through, well, I have a reason to laugh at Ubuntu :)Jun 22 18:28
techrights-bot/fnThe #corporateMedia says "vaccine nationalism" to hide the reality of actual #nationalism and #racism ... as if to say, don't get angry at the patents. #patent #monopoly isn't bad... it's just that awful "vaccine nationalism"... fight RACISM, not patentsJun 22 18:29
activelowPAM removed, sudo removed, dbus removed, not sure how much trouble this spared me alreadyJun 22 18:29
activelowyears before CVEs were announcedJun 22 18:29
activelowtried to lobby a little for my ideas, so far no successJun 22 18:30
techrights-bot/fnToday's #covid19 numbers in the #uk are out. 44.4% increase in deaths in one week (27 dead today)! 34.8% increase in cases (in one week!). And our lunatic Pry Minister, helped by media like #billBC , wants us to think this thing is over, for political reasons alone. 22 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)Jun 22 18:32
techrights-bot/fn"June 21, 2021. Added a link to an article by renown author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie in which she explains how she was shunned on Twitter by her own friend." #rms #gnu #twitter #socialcontrolmedia #cancelCulture 22 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Support of Richard Stallman - UpdatesJun 22 18:33
schestowitzjust checked again and freenode still blocks me Jun 22 18:36
schestowitzfrom my main/sole client that I useJun 22 18:36
schestowitzso I cannot access my own channelJun 22 18:36
schestowitzbrave freenode! well done, ladsJun 22 18:36
schestowitzsecond this in a weekJun 22 18:36
schestowitzlast time I managed to alter DNS a bit to get back in after a day of tryingJun 22 18:37
XRevan86Ye mean, join a specific host?Jun 22 18:37
immibisclearly you are too libertarian for themJun 22 18:38
techrights-bot/fn#GitLab 14 signals shift to modern DevOps: A DevOps platform with velocity, trust, and visibility | GitLab ⚓ ䷉ | more in 22 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitLab 14 signals shift to modern DevOps: A DevOps platform with velocity, trust, and visibility | GitLabJun 22 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 22 18:38
XRevan86immibis: Usonians have a different meaning of that word.Jun 22 18:38
techrights-bot/fn#deletefacebook and stop uploading pictures to it? Anyone who appears inside photos uploaded to #Facebook is being subjected to abuse (even those who do not have a #fb account) 22 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook Pictures Not Loading? Here are the Fixes - Make Tech EasierJun 22 18:40
immibisright. clearly you are too unauthoritarian for themJun 22 18:41
immibisironically that is also the meaning I usually meanJun 22 18:41
immibisthe US oneJun 22 18:41
XRevan86immibis: I like how the Russian Libertarian Party is a hot melting pot of both.Jun 22 18:42
XRevan86I guess if stalinists and social democrats can live under one roof, then so can they :)Jun 22 18:42
techrights-bot/fnFor the second time in a week I cannot even log into #freenode using my #irc client. Their system is obviously misclassifying legitimate users. And I was told I'm not alone. It's a widespread technical problem. THIS IS BASICS. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.Jun 22 18:44
techrights-bot/fnNew: "It Is Obscene: A True Reflection In Three Parts The practice of shunning people on antisocial media has reached a point that violates the most basic human decency. Resorting to falsehood and slander to achieve the defamer's own goals has become the norm." 22 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Support of Richard Stallman - Articles in Support of Richard StallmanJun 22 18:45
XRevan86The pains of needing a network that is just a few weeks old.Jun 22 18:45
techrights-bot/fnRenown author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie calls it “obscene;” we add, it's perverse. Telling us her own painful experience, Chimamanda writes: "In this age of social media, where a story travels the world in minutes, silence sometimes means that other people can hijack your story and soon, their false version becomes the defining story about you." <clipped message>Jun 22 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Jun 22 18:46
techrights-bot/fn-in-support-of-richard-stallman.html#chJun 22 18:46
XRevan86Did matterbridge just clip a link in half?Jun 22 18:46
MinceRyesJun 22 18:46
techrights-bot/fn"Apparently you can meet ‘mates’ down the pub but cannot see a public official to get important work done! Worse yet, those public officials don’t even respond to you. They don’t speak to you and there’s nobody to talk to. Not even in E-mail or over the phone" 22 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)Jun 22 18:46
XRevan86The link was clearly already clipped, hah.Jun 22 18:47
XRevan86unless it really did end with "#ch"Jun 22 18:48
XRevan86Which I doubt.Jun 22 18:48
techrights-bot/fnOur #tories "leaders are nihilistic (what sane person says “bodies [can] pile up high”?), far worse than incompetent and more sinister than merely misinformed." #uk #covid19 22 18:49
XRevan86schestowitz: Speaking of, it can bridge Mumble too.Jun 22 18:50
XRevan86Mumble is not exactly good for text, but just FYI.Jun 22 18:50
schestowitzwe use mumbleJun 22 18:51
schestowitzbut only to record techbytesJun 22 18:51
schestowitzand it's always just verbalJun 22 18:51
XRevan86Makes sense.Jun 22 18:51
schestowitzXRevan86: freenode denies access by two of my laptopsJun 22 18:53
schestowitzboth konversationJun 22 18:53
schestowitzbut I don't know if the agent is visible to themJun 22 18:54
schestowitzI think that in itself is another blunderJun 22 18:54
XRevan86schestowitz: If people use #techbytes to ask questions, that can be transmitted to Mumble and back.Jun 22 18:54
schestowitzCrystalMath said others were experiencing similar issuesJun 22 18:54
schestowitzbut not many users remain there to report itaJun 22 18:54
schestowitzand obv. if they can't get it their voice would be 'suppressed'Jun 22 18:54
CrystalMathschestowitz: err, no, my friends can connectJun 22 18:54
CrystalMathbut when they join a channelJun 22 18:54
CrystalMaththeir proprietary old client crashesJun 22 18:55
CrystalMathsame for LunarIRCJun 22 18:55
XRevan86proprietary old client? 22 18:55
schestowitzso they use efnetJun 22 18:55
schestowitz?Jun 22 18:55
CrystalMathyesJun 22 18:55
schestowitzgreat stuffJun 22 18:55
CrystalMathit segfaults because InspIRCD puts a : in front of the channel timeJun 22 18:55
schestowitzmove fast, everything breaksJun 22 18:55
CrystalMathwhich crashes IceChat 7Jun 22 18:55
CrystalMathapparently it does some blind ascii-to-integer stuffJun 22 18:55
CrystalMathand if there's a non-digit in there, it gets a NULLJun 22 18:56
CrystalMathand then dereferences NULLJun 22 18:56
schestowitzthe pace breakage is going, maybe freenode will be mothballed by year's endJun 22 18:56
CrystalMatheh, it's not just freenode breakageJun 22 18:56
XRevan86CrystalMath: Looks like a dead client.Jun 22 18:56
CrystalMathLunarIRC has that problemJun 22 18:56
schestowitziirc, the first blunder was taking over 700 channelsJun 22 18:56
schestowitzand not even apologising for itJun 22 18:56
CrystalMathXRevan86: it is! but he won't change itJun 22 18:56
XRevan86CrystalMath: Who won't?Jun 22 18:57
CrystalMathmy friendJun 22 18:57
schestowitzand it just went downhill from thereJun 22 18:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: Well, silly person :)Jun 22 18:57
CrystalMathi mean most of my friends like to run XPJun 22 18:57
CrystalMathand always 32-bitJun 22 18:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: Doesn't mIRC run or something?Jun 22 18:57
CrystalMathit does but he wants IceChat 7Jun 22 18:57
XRevan86why does it have to be some crap on C#Jun 22 18:57
CrystalMathno version 7 wasn't .NETJun 22 18:58
CrystalMathversion 8+ is Jun 22 18:58
XRevan86I see.Jun 22 18:58
CrystalMathversion 7 is also proprietary, unlike the open source version 9Jun 22 18:58
CrystalMathbut we're coding up a gatewayJun 22 18:59
CrystalMathit's also integrated with my other friend's MyBridgeJun 22 18:59
CrystalMathso they will see bridged users as if they were there :)Jun 22 18:59
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XRevan86CrystalMath: Good luck hitting the limit of maximum simultaneous connections.Jun 22 19:00
CrystalMathXRevan86: that was the bridge that held ##sqlite until he got K-lined from liberiaJun 22 19:00
CrystalMathoh no the gateway is intended to run at homeJun 22 19:00
CrystalMathit uses PRIVMSG to talk to MyBridgeJun 22 19:00
XRevan86CrystalMath: Ah, before I brought my bridge there?Jun 22 19:00
CrystalMathyesJun 22 19:00
techrights-bot/fn#litigation #extortion and #blackmail industry now hijacks civil rights causes. As usual. Will those who are hijacked for #reputationLaundering purposes (the army does the same by the way) react? Or play alone? 22 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pride month: why intersectionality is key for LGBTQ lawyers | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 22 19:01
XRevan86CrystalMath: I see the talks about getting RELAYMSG into freenode went nowhere?Jun 22 19:01
CrystalMathit's highly unlikely that MyBridge would get enough privileges for thatJun 22 19:01
CrystalMathand i mean... it's a mIRC scriptJun 22 19:02
CrystalMathon an old vulnerable version of mIRC :PJun 22 19:02
XRevan86techrights can benefit from that, but it won't even be given thatJun 22 19:02
XRevan86Of course the caring about how things are out there has significantly been reduced, and it wasn't a lot before either %)Jun 22 19:04
schestowitzbenefit from what bridge?Jun 22 19:05
CrystalMathschestowitz: freenode RELAYMSG supportJun 22 19:05
techrights-bot/fnNumber of NEW #covid19 cases in the #uk highest since 16th of February, i.e. more than 4 months. Our Pry Minister: BACK TO NORMAL NEXT MONTH! Chronic sociopath, charlatan, and blood-thirsty liar. Ignore everything he says. 22 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » COVID May Have Caused (or Helped) the UK Home Office and Manchester Town Hall to Violate Basic Laws or Fundamental Human RightsJun 22 19:08
XRevan86We're discussing how that's not a thing.Jun 22 19:09
techrights-bot/fnAbout 100,000 'grandpas' and 'grandmas' in the #uk died with #covid19 and our sick-minded Pry Minister speaks of these people like they're corpses ("let the bodies pile up high", the language of MASS GRAVES). Why would ANYBODY still listen to anything he says? Why does the media repeat his words? 22 19:11
techrights-bot/fnWe need a media that does NOT play the "bill says" and "boris says" game 22 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Bill, What’s Your Opinion? | TechrightsJun 22 19:12
techrights-bot/fn6 steps to reduce SRE toil ⚓ ䷉ #searchitoperations | more in 22 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 6 steps to reduce SRE toilJun 22 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 22 19:16
techrights-bot/fn#Google is just mimicking #GNU / #Linux ('proper'), poorly. Just wipe #ChromeOS and install a real distro. It would do far more than the malicious OS made by (and for) Gulag. 22 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chrome OS is getting old-school cool with an upcoming productivity featureJun 22 19:18
techrights-bot/fn"This Raspberry Pi–powered replica runs all the original PDP-8 software with enough cycles left to double as a media server" ䷉ #ieee #spectrum | more in 22 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Full Page ReloadJun 22 19:19
techrights-bot/fn#Nvidia Jetson chips make IoT devices vulnerable to attack | IT PRO ⚓ ䷉ #itpro | more in 22 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nvidia Jetson chips make IoT devices vulnerable to attack | IT PROJun 22 19:22
techrights-bot/fn"Goerzen’s written books about programming and operating systems and he’s developed multiple programs as Free Software. He’s been a volunteer developer for the #Debian GNU/Linux operating system since the late 1990s." 22 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A higher purpose: Alumnus John Goerzen uses personal plane to help others – The SunflowerJun 22 19:24
techrights-bot/fn"foundation on the #OpenZFS file system and the open source Linux-based #Debian operating system. To handle data management and storage, for example, the team used #ZFS -based file stores running on Debian-run servers with replication between sites." 22 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Digital Forensics Company ellwood Evidence Modernizes Data Management | IT ProJun 22 19:26
techrights-bot/fnTIL #BSD is also Banking Supervision Departments (BSD) in #Pakistan 22 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Risk-based supervisory framework: Restructuring of BSD announced - Business RecorderJun 22 19:32
techrights-bot/fn#blackduck still refusing to disclose holes in anything #microsoft will picking (now) on #Zephyr for a mere DoS flaw over #Bluetooth ... #synopsys as a Microsoft proxy: 22 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Black Duck - TechrightsJun 22 19:33
techrights-bot/fn#blackduck still refusing to disclose holes in anything #microsoft while picking (now) on #Zephyr for a mere DoS flaw over #Bluetooth ... #synopsys as a Microsoft proxy: 22 19:34
techrights-bot/fn"Welcome to the latest Register Debate in which writers discuss technology topics, and you – the reader – choose the winning argument. The format is simple: we propose a motion, the arguments for the motion will run this Monday and Wednesday, and the arguments against on Tuesday and Thursday." 22 19:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | VMs were a fad fit for the Great Recession. Containers’ time has finally come • The RegisterJun 22 19:35
KindOne/fnXRevan86, a lot of people that join certain channels are out of the loopJun 22 19:37
techrights-bot/fn#Nvidia Jetson Security Risks • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nvidia Jetson Security Risks | Tux MachinesJun 22 19:37
XRevan86KindOne: Indeed they are. cc: schestowitzJun 22 19:37
techrights-bot/fn#KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support | Tux MachinesJun 22 19:38
techrights-bot/fn#Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 22 19:38
XRevan86Meanwhile, today members of Pussy Riot got caught and detained all with different pretexes.Jun 22 19:39
*verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrightsJun 22 19:39
XRevan86there are rumours that Mediazona is going to be deemed a "foreign agent", maybe there's a connectionJun 22 19:39
schestowitzKindOne which channels? I don't quite follow...Jun 22 19:39
schestowitzKindOne if you mean people who 'accidentally' access #techrights in LC, then maybe we can post a reminder that they're in the wrong channelJun 22 19:40
schestowitzor wrong networkJun 22 19:40
XRevan86The best way to do that is to register the channels %)Jun 22 19:41
schestowitzregister a channel in a network where we are NOT?Jun 22 19:41
schestowitzand just to divert people elsewhere?Jun 22 19:41
*XRevan86 enjoys the logical loop.Jun 22 19:41
schestowitzseems like a 'dick move'Jun 22 19:42
XRevan86If it's not registered, the topic might just get wiped one way.Jun 22 19:42
techrights-bot/fn#Slimbook Executive lightweight Linux laptop 22 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Slimbook Executive: Lightweight Linux Ultrabook with Top-Tier Screen | Tux MachinesJun 22 19:43
techrights-bot/fnRocky Linux 8.4 is officially available to replace your CentOS deployments 22 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux MachinesJun 22 19:44
XRevan86one dayJun 22 19:44
schestowitzthat's OKJun 22 19:45
schestowitzbut invigorates all this is confusionJun 22 19:45
schestowitzfreenode turning into ashtray and for some people freenode turning into another domain nameJun 22 19:46
schestowitzand then they access the wrong thingsJun 22 19:46
XRevan86some being the absolute majorityJun 22 19:46
schestowitzI could post daily reminders in FN and CN to tell people about this networkJun 22 19:46
XRevan86Not a bad idea, but it has pitfalls.Jun 22 19:48
XRevan86Namely, if voice is to be allowed, then they'll just be what ye say the channel on LC is right now.Jun 22 19:51
techrights-bot/fnIt's noteworthy that even months down the line #googleNews still syndicates #plagiarism sites like #bollyinside and no matter if it gets reported to #google they don't seem to be actually staffed to handle it. This Gulag of a company just really doesn't care.Jun 22 19:51
XRevan86And if not, then the freenode ops will just take it over.Jun 22 19:51
DaemonFCThe Freenode/Matrix bridge is still completely dead.Jun 22 19:55
techrights-bot/fnAh, gawd... (link omitted) sites explaining to people how to run #wordpress from #wsl ... where does one begin to address how awfully dumb a thing that is to do? #wsl2 and other crap (with small 'g') never actually found a purpose. It's a miniscule niche. #microsoft ATTACK on GNU/Linux.Jun 22 19:55
techrights-bot/fn#Mozilla should just disable this by default, but #Firefox isn't about the users anymore #wwwJun 22 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Disable 'Recommended by Pocket' Articles Suggestion in FirefoxJun 22 19:56
XRevan86DaemonFC: I heard that wants to bring it up, so it's suspicious that they still haven't. The problem is probably not on their end.Jun 22 19:57
techrights-bot/fn"In this video, I am going to show how to install Oracle Linux 8.4." better not give #oracle control though. 22 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install Oracle Linux 8.4 - YouTubeJun 22 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Oracle - TechrightsJun 22 19:58
XRevan86DaemonFC: Considering that even people with actual IRC clients have troubles connecting, something as big as is almost hopeless.Jun 22 19:59
XRevan86and as a part of Big FOSS… ooofJun 22 19:59
KindOne/fnschestowitz, I'm helping migrate 17 channels with a combined total  of 200 - 250 different people. So far I've managed to tell about 130 of them about moving.Jun 22 19:59
XRevan86KindOne: That's dedicated.Jun 22 20:00
KindOne/fnnot really, just a script that matches their nick, ident, and gecos (via extended-join) and sends them a query.Jun 22 20:04
schestowitzI still cannot connectJun 22 20:05
KindOne/fnYou get some error message or what?Jun 22 20:06
schestowitzI'll see if I can contact some people. Something like: "Hi. It's Roy. I see you're in a channel that's not ours. We actually moved to #techrights at (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use)"Jun 22 20:08
schestowitzI tried with zoobab: "You must log in with services to message this user"Jun 22 20:09
schestowitzso they limit direct messagesJun 22 20:09
DaemonFCschestowitz, I disabled Pocket and Telemetry and Experiments and DoH and all sorts of things on Firefox.Jun 22 20:09
techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 22 20:10
techrights-bot/fn#HowTo Install #Ubuntu 21.04 Hirsute Hippo [Absolute Beginner’s Guide] • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #gnu #linuxJun 22 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Install Ubuntu 21.04 Hirsute Hippo [Absolute Beginner's Guide] | Tux MachinesJun 22 20:11
techrights-bot/fn#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 22 20:11
techrights-bot/fn#AMD releases #FidelityFX Super Resolution, source code dropping mid-July 22 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD releases FidelityFX Super Resolution, source code dropping mid-July | GamingOnLinuxJun 22 20:17
techrights-bot/fn#NVIDIA Posts 470 #Linux Driver Beta With Better #Wayland Support, #DLSS + Improved PRIME - Phoronix ⚓ 22 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA Posts 470 Linux Driver Beta With Better Wayland Support, DLSS + Improved PRIME - PhoronixJun 22 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA 470.42.01 for Linux adds DLSS for Proton, Xwayland, asynchronous reprojection | GamingOnLinuxJun 22 20:18
gustafschestowitz: Libera or Freenode? Jun 22 20:18
techrights-bot/fn#Nvidia #DLSS has arrived on #Linux – will this tempt gamers to switch from #vista10 h 22 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nvidia DLSS has arrived on Linux – will this tempt gamers to switch from Windows 10? | TechRadarJun 22 20:19
techrights-bot/fnRicardo Garcia: VK_EXT_multi_draw released for #Vulkan #graphics #linuxJun 22 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Geek Blight - VK_EXT_multi_draw released for VulkanJun 22 20:20
schestowitzI tried contacting zoobab over webchat of lcJun 22 20:21
schestowitzcannot even send messageJun 22 20:21
XRevan86gustaf: freenodeJun 22 20:21
schestowitzfreenode does not even let me connect lolJun 22 20:22
schestowitzwhich only reaffirms my views about such networksJun 22 20:22
schestowitzyou're at the mercy of someone elseJun 22 20:22
schestowitzthey z-lined a bunch of clientsJun 22 20:22
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CrystalMathschestowitz: you're z-lined?Jun 22 20:26
CrystalMathpossibly too many connectionsJun 22 20:26
schestowitznothing that wasn't done before the new managementJun 22 20:31
schestowitzor before they canned the old systemsJun 22 20:31
CrystalMaththe connection limit is reduced because of bot attacksJun 22 20:32
schestowitzcan you name some hostnames?Jun 22 20:32
CrystalMathit worked to stop the botsJun 22 20:32
schestowitzso I can leap in directly past the load balanced/haJun 22 20:32
schestowitz*cerJun 22 20:32
schestowitzI feel 'canceled'Jun 22 20:33
CrystalMathrinnegan.freenode.netJun 22 20:33
CrystalMathcapelle.freenode.netJun 22 20:33
schestowitz[20:33] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.Jun 22 20:33
CrystalMathwant me to contact staff?Jun 22 20:34 worked ok againJun 22 20:34
schestowitzI'm back inJun 22 20:34
CrystalMathokay :)Jun 22 20:35
schestowitzyou need to tell them people get locked outJun 22 20:35
CrystalMathtoo many connections probably if you run the botsJun 22 20:35
schestowitzand  that it includes legit longtime users with username/password and allJun 22 20:35
CrystalMathdon't exceed 5 from the same IP under any circumstancesJun 22 20:35
XRevan86There are no longtime users on the new freenode :)Jun 22 20:35
schestowitzback to posting links nowJun 22 20:35
CrystalMaththat's an instant Z-linedJun 22 20:35
CrystalMath*Z-lineJun 22 20:35
MinceRXRevan86: there indeed are longtime users on freenodeJun 22 20:35
schestowitzXRevan86: toucheJun 22 20:36
schestowitzsame for LCJun 22 20:36
KindOne/fnfeature suggestion: command so the bot does not relay crap: " ``` message to stay on this network "Jun 22 20:36
XRevan86MinceR: Check the registration date.Jun 22 20:36
MinceRXRevan86: registration date is irrelevantJun 22 20:36
KindOne/fn... I don't know if the bot has that or notJun 22 20:36
XRevan86MinceR: Sure :)Jun 22 20:36
schestowitzthis article aged well 22 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | TechrightsJun 22 20:36
schestowitzpredates all the messJun 22 20:36
schestowitzshows how Free software is being undermines through means of commsJun 22 20:37
KindOne/fnI know a few bots that used registration dates to verify the nick of whoever is/was using commandsJun 22 20:37
MinceRi know of a few irc networks where you couldn't register a nick even if you wanted toJun 22 20:37
schestowitzFN and LC divide some people along political linesJun 22 20:37
CrystalMathschestowitz: tbh i now realize how rbraun was right all along about OFTCJun 22 20:37
KindOne/fnim on EFnetJun 22 20:37
schestowitzthis was not a problem beforeJun 22 20:37
schestowitzthat's why I want neither sideJun 22 20:37
KindOne/fnAt least the right wing nut cases are staying on freenodeJun 22 20:38
schestowitzCrystalMath: OFTC is the "Fanta" of "old Freenode" Coke staffJun 22 20:38
CrystalMathKindOne: and the moonbats are on liberiaJun 22 20:38
MinceRlolJun 22 20:38
schestowitzIt's not freenode... yet it isJun 22 20:38
CrystalMathwell OFTC is considerably worse than the old freenode :PJun 22 20:38
MinceRThe Freenodeless FreenodeJun 22 20:39
CrystalMathnot only does it have freaking Neil McGovernJun 22 20:39
CrystalMathit also requires google captcha for registrationJun 22 20:39
XRevan86schestowitz: It only divides along political lines for the extremes.Jun 22 20:39
CrystalMathand doesn't support SASLJun 22 20:39
KindOne/fn>moonbatsJun 22 20:39
KindOne/fnyou simpletonJun 22 20:39
XRevan86schestowitz: The "normies" are not divided.Jun 22 20:39
CrystalMathKindOne: you retardJun 22 20:39
KindOne/fnoftc plans to have sasl support when they switch to solanum and athemeJun 22 20:39
schestowitzlolJun 22 20:39
schestowitzweird to lack thatJun 22 20:39
MinceR🍿Jun 22 20:39
schestowitzfor a network that bigJun 22 20:39
schestowitzand they mock us for having 'only' a self-signed tls cert in trJun 22 20:40
schestowitzand now handing it over to ZemlinTrust(TM)Jun 22 20:40
schestowitz(LE)Jun 22 20:40
schestowitztechnically techrights does suport https nowJun 22 20:40
activelowhad implemented some self-made certificate fingerprint matching with irssi to avoid the hazzle with hostnames and cert validationJun 22 20:40
schestowitzbut Google et al (even Mozgool) are shouting and screamingJun 22 20:41 has no problem with SASLJun 22 20:41
activelowit is noteworthy some simple trusted certificate store isn't easily implementedJun 22 20:41
CrystalMathbut of course for a network run by Neil McGovern everything is a problemJun 22 20:41
CrystalMatheven a minimize buttonJun 22 20:41
schestowitzCrystalMath: what colour is neil's hair?Jun 22 20:41
schestowitzmore important than securityJun 22 20:41
CrystalMathi really don't know, i never bothered to look at a picture of himJun 22 20:41
schestowitzi was joking because of his deputy (former )Jun 22 20:42
schestowitzdoes neil maintain any important project? I never checked..Jun 22 20:42
CrystalMathgnomeJun 22 20:42
CrystalMathoh waitJun 22 20:42
schestowitzI only know him for his ant-RMS blog postsJun 22 20:42
CrystalMathyou said "important"Jun 22 20:42
CrystalMathnevermindJun 22 20:42
schestowitzhahaJun 22 20:42
KindOne/fnAt least oftc plans on keeping their services db when they upgradeJun 22 20:42
schestowitzIBM recently gave more money to neilJun 22 20:43
schestowitzKindOne that's a low bar to aim forJun 22 20:43
schestowitzl0de corp. is easy competitionJun 22 20:43
MinceRlow bar is where it's at for alleged "FLOSS" irc networks :>Jun 22 20:43
schestowitzBTW, ALLLLLLLL the links in techrights ever posted still workJun 22 20:44
KindOne/fnresetting all nick and channel registration was without the most annoying thingJun 22 20:44
schestowitzsince 2006Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzinc. images, wiki etc.Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzsame in since 2002Jun 22 20:44
schestowitzsome people just get all funky and decide to abolish old URLsJun 22 20:44
KindOne/fnresetting all nick and channel registration was without a doubt the most annoying thingJun 22 20:44
schestowitzlike SPAMnilJun 22 20:44
schestowitzmuktware->themukt->linuxveda->tfir.ioJun 22 20:45
schestowitzhe seems to think his problem is the domain nameJun 22 20:45
schestowitzand keeps changing itJun 22 20:45
schestowitzthere are more in between, but I forgot themJun 22 20:45
schestowitzmany news sites die this wayJun 22 20:45
schestowitzthey break ALL the old URLs with a CMS change ('upgrade')Jun 22 20:45
schestowitzand then all their past work becomes shelved or impossible to indexJun 22 20:46
KindOne/fnwtf is l0de corp?Jun 22 20:46
schestowitzthen traffic comes to zero and then shut downJun 22 20:46
schestowitzseen that many times before..Jun 22 20:46
schestowitzKindOne the interview referenceJun 22 20:46
schestowitzafter watching that interview I realised I had wasted time giving Lee the benefit of the doubtJun 22 20:46
schestowitzI even got some email joking at me... for things I wrote about the new management a month agoJun 22 20:47
schestowitzthey deserves the laugh... at my expenseJun 22 20:47
KindOne/fnThat was the best thing he has done to help move the sane people to other networks.Jun 22 20:47
schestowitzI was wrong about how it would turn out eventually... but was optimisticJun 22 20:47
schestowitzKindOne the interview?Jun 22 20:48
schestowitzwould not surprise meJun 22 20:48
schestowitzthe more people watch it, the quicker they'll run out of active channelsJun 22 20:48
activelowthat's done alreadyJun 22 20:48
activelowi remain sceptical about LCJun 22 20:48
activelowthe nonsense story told it was only some christel who had known anythingJun 22 20:48
schestowitzactivelow: try to promote self-hostingJun 22 20:48
schestowitzin all contexts, not just ircJun 22 20:49
activelowsome staff recommending /msg nickserv dropJun 22 20:49
schestowitzself-hosting is not expensive Jun 22 20:49
schestowitzand people learn skills in the processJun 22 20:49
activelowthat's ok, of causeJun 22 20:49
CrystalMathi really didn't like l0de insulting christelJun 22 20:49
CrystalMathshe was the only sane staff member on pre-2021 freenodeJun 22 20:49
CrystalMaththe only remaining oneJun 22 20:49
schestowitzI didn't watch it but saw people mention it in IRCJun 22 20:49
*psymin nods.Jun 22 20:49
schestowitzchristel seemed very amicableJun 22 20:50
schestowitzif he resorted to insulting based on looks, shame on himJun 22 20:50
schestowitzand Lee didn't intervene to protect her?Jun 22 20:50
CrystalMathno, Lee ignored thatJun 22 20:50
CrystalMathjust said "no" to it and then said normal stuffJun 22 20:50
CrystalMathbtu he didn't get angry at l0de for itJun 22 20:50
KindOne/fnI have a transcript of it if you want to grep it.Jun 22 20:50
schestowitzhe should not go on a show like this in the first placeJun 22 20:50
CrystalMathhopefully it's an accurate transcriptJun 22 20:51
schestowitzKindOne: I'd publush the whole thing, but...Jun 22 20:51
schestowitzbad language Jun 22 20:51
schestowitzpublicity for toxic stuffJun 22 20:51
schestowitzand it might enrage FN staffJun 22 20:51
schestowitzeven merely giving direct quotesJun 22 20:51
CrystalMathi think Andrew Lee himself said nothing wrongJun 22 20:51
schestowitzbecause even they probably recognise it's a very damaging exhibitJun 22 20:52
schestowitzCrystalMath: he didJun 22 20:52
MinceRhe did say some extremely stupid thingsJun 22 20:52
CrystalMaththe part where he accidentally said africa is a country?Jun 22 20:52
schestowitzmaybe because CrystalMath liked TrumpJun 22 20:52
schestowitzCrystalMath: accidentally?Jun 22 20:52
KindOne/fnTranscript: 22 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 0bin - encrypted pastebinJun 22 20:52
schestowitzdon't think soJun 22 20:52
MinceRthat was oneJun 22 20:52
schestowitzit's a PalinJun 22 20:52
MinceRalso where he said cheeto hitler was such a great presidentJun 22 20:52
CrystalMath"Please enable javascript"Jun 22 20:53
CrystalMathcan someone put that in a non-moonbat pastebin?Jun 22 20:53
schestowitzKindOne saved aside, thank youJun 22 20:53
schestowitzit might come handy in the futureJun 22 20:53
CrystalMathschestowitz: it's lockedJun 22 20:53
MinceRyeah, these end-to-end encrypted pastebins rely on javascript to decryptJun 22 20:53
MinceRnot that this does much, considering that the server still sees the cryptotext and the keyJun 22 20:54
schestowitzMinceR: he said it several timsJun 22 20:54
KindOne/fndon't thank me, other people created it.Jun 22 20:54
schestowitzin very unhelpful words, tooJun 22 20:54
XRevan86activelow: "some staff recommending /msg nickserv drop" – they were afraid of the new management, and… that wasn't unreasonableJun 22 20:54
CrystalMathoh dammit, okay, i'll use opensslJun 22 20:54
schestowitzlike "greatest ever president"Jun 22 20:54
schestowitz"I’m pretty non-political, but as a leader for the United States of America, President Donald Trump was the one, and these fuckers who stole that shit, you know, like, karma’s gonna, you know, everything comes around, you know what I mean? Like, they can - they can temporarily halt freedom, but it’s not - it’s gonna just keep pushing through. You know?"Jun 22 20:54
MinceRXRevan86: "oh no, the password i didn't use anywhere else might be compromised!"Jun 22 20:54
CrystalMathschestowitz: i should check this log to make sure it hasn't been altered by moonbatsJun 22 20:54
CrystalMathjust hold on while i get the contents decrypted with opensslJun 22 20:55
XRevan86MinceR: And some logging in history.Jun 22 20:55
schestowitz"these fuckers who stole that shit" = reference to 2020 electionJun 22 20:55
schestowitzrhetoric that got insurrection going, a coup against the US gov.Jun 22 20:55
activelowXRevan86: with this command plaintext password could be sent to this managementJun 22 20:55
KindOne/fnWhy would anyone modify this channel log... a copy is being uploaded to the siteJun 22 20:55
CrystalMathschestowitz: and the US government is so sacredJun 22 20:55
schestowitzit's bad enough without any editingJun 22 20:56
CrystalMathlet's not *dare* to spread wrongthink that could get them toppledJun 22 20:56
activelow /disconnect sure, drop nick no.Jun 22 20:56
schestowitzdo a wordcount on "shit" and "pussy"Jun 22 20:56
CrystalMathschestowitz: you know there were rappers on the other line tooJun 22 20:56
schestowitzI don't want our techrights channels managed by "shit pussy" menJun 22 20:56
CrystalMaththey said most of the bad words, behind l0deJun 22 20:56
KindOne/fnThe election was not stolen. The correct term you are looking for is voter turnout. 66.1% of people that could vote, voted.Jun 22 20:57
MinceRXRevan86: the last time you logged in/out?Jun 22 20:57
CrystalMathKindOne/fn: i'm not saying it's stolen i'm saying it's okay to say whateverJun 22 20:57
techrights-bot/fn#PanVK Merged Into Mesa 21.2 For Open-Source #Vulkan Driver With Arm Mali GPUs - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #LinuxJun 22 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PanVK Merged Into Mesa 21.2 For Open-Source Vulkan Driver With Arm Mali GPUs - PhoronixJun 22 20:58
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆█▆▇█▇▂▃▇█▅█▄▅▅▇█▆▆▇▆▇▄█▆▅▃█▁▂▆▄▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 45.78 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁█▁▁▂▄██▂▂██▃▂▂▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 80.56▕ swarm size (avg): 309.03  ⟲Jun 22 20:59
XRevan86MinceR: and possibly some other, I think there's moreJun 22 20:59
MinceRXRevan86: what else does NickServ log about you?Jun 22 21:00
XRevan86MinceR: Ariadne should know more.Jun 22 21:00
XRevan86she's the expert, I'm an IRC dummy :)Jun 22 21:00
schestowitzwe'd lucky to have her helping is, and iirc she offered gnu/fsf the same with ircJun 22 21:00
MinceRunfortunately the FSF prefers to throw itself at the mercy of its own enemiesJun 22 21:01
schestowitzI hope the redirect of fsf/gnu for irc will some day be pointing to a real self-hosted info of theitsJun 22 21:01
schestowitzruben is leaving, so they have a sysadmin shortage atmJun 22 21:01
schestowitzMinceR: I told RMSJun 22 21:01
schestowitzhe respondedJun 22 21:01
schestowitzhe saw it as a temporary thing amid many "crises" (his word)Jun 22 21:01
schestowitzso he's open to the idea of self-hostingJun 22 21:01
schestowitzalso, to geminiJun 22 21:02
techrights-bot/fnLot of work ongoing in the background (today around midnight #techrights plans to publish another big expose about #epo and, failing that self-imposed deadline, some time tomorrow)Jun 22 21:03
schestowitzXRevan86: s/n ratio improved a lotJun 22 21:03
schestowitzand -social is also move active, as it helps stave off less relevant topics but still give them air timeJun 22 21:04
schestowitzI have been logged in, for the first time, to LC, over web clientJun 22 21:04
schestowitznot a single line of activity for like 5 hours now. nothing.Jun 22 21:04
schestowitzit's just a bunch of people logged in, cannot really see actual value in that and half the people there (total 31) I don't knowJun 22 21:05
XRevan86schestowitz: No trolls conspiring? :)Jun 22 21:05
schestowitzthey can become those people who drag us downJun 22 21:05
MinceRthey're conspiring on illiberaJun 22 21:05
schestowitzwith discussions like, "you guys are extreme"Jun 22 21:05
schestowitzXRevan86: no, not at the moment anyway, and like I said I know nothing about those peopleJun 22 21:06
schestowitz10+ years ago #phoronix on #freenode was activeJun 22 21:06
schestowitzthen it became a dead zoneJun 22 21:06
schestowitzmany people onlineJun 22 21:06
XRevan86schestowitz: The majority probably just heard about techrights and is lurking.Jun 22 21:06
schestowitzbut nothing said, just joins and exits, with all the real action in phoronix forumsJun 22 21:07
XRevan86They don't even advertise having an IRC channel.Jun 22 21:07
schestowitznot anymoreJun 22 21:09
schestowitzthey use to publish logs of #phoronixJun 22 21:09
schestowitzI remember very wellJun 22 21:09
schestowitzand i used to chat with michael over thereJun 22 21:09
schestowitzbefore the network died, 10+ years laterJun 22 21:10
schestowitz 22 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation partners with Microsoft and Target to create standards for voice technology | ZDNetJun 22 21:10
schestowitzLF is deadJun 22 21:10
MinceRthey're milking that trademark for everything it's worthJun 22 21:11
schestowitzexactlyJun 22 21:12
schestowitzuntil it is dead, alienating, meaninglessJun 22 21:12
schestowitzI already don't use the L word muchJun 22 21:12
schestowitzit stands for things I am againstJun 22 21:12
schestowitz 22 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | TechrightsJun 22 21:13
schestowitz 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Introduces Open Voice Network to Prioritize Trust and Interoperability in a Voice-Based Digital FutureJun 22 21:14
schestowitz 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Launches GitOps TrainingJun 22 21:14
schestowitzI am going to do a video about thisJun 22 21:14
schestowitzLF has become far too easy to ridicule at this pointJun 22 21:14
schestowitzthey totally expose themselvesJun 22 21:14
schestowitz"Smile Linus.... we'll pay your salary"Jun 22 21:14
activelowis torvalds the trademark holder?Jun 22 21:14
schestowitzhe isJun 22 21:14
activelowwasn't aware, i could follow with some of his pragmatism, and the alternative to Linux is none onlyJun 22 21:16
CrystalMathschestowitz: you know about the new LF vaccine passport?Jun 22 21:17
schestowitzI covered itJun 22 21:18
schestowitzeven yesterdayJun 22 21:18
schestowitzI even recorded 20+ minutes with sound not workingJun 22 21:18
schestowitzhad to redo itJun 22 21:18
schestowitzbbiabJun 22 21:18
techrights-bot/fnDesign the #LibreOffice Conference 2021 logo! 22 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Design the LibreOffice Conference 2021 logo! - The Document Foundation BlogJun 22 21:19
techrights-bot/fn#Graphics : PanVK, NVIDIA, and AMD • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Graphics: PanVK, NVIDIA, and AMD | Tux MachinesJun 22 21:20
schestowitzWhat's his background? 22 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation Appoints Industry Veteran as Chief Marketing Officer - Linux FoundationJun 22 21:23
schestowitzzemlin's name shows upJun 22 21:23
schestowitz"We’re happy to announce that IBM and Microsoft are making data sets available today using CDLA-Permissive-2.0." 22 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Enabling Easier Collaboration on Open Data for AI and ML with CDLA-Permissive-2.0 - Linux FoundationJun 22 21:24
schestowitzhahahaJun 22 21:24
*XRevan86 is thinking about one thing: should I participate in elections from now one forward?Jun 22 21:25
XRevan86It feels silly.Jun 22 21:25
gustafdepends on where you live I gessJun 22 21:26
XRevan86gustaf: RussiaJun 22 21:26
gustafahJun 22 21:26
schestowitzsecond thought: no need for video, I can do this better as textJun 22 21:33
schestowitzalso, rianne went to sleep, if I record it'll interfereJun 22 21:34
schestowitzXRevan86: saw no activity in LC, logged outJun 22 21:34
schestowitzit's just a zombie channelJun 22 21:34
XRevan86United Russia prepared well for the next elections.Jun 22 21:34
XRevan86making sure they don't matterJun 22 21:34
activeloware voters registered if they joined an election? in germany voters are registered, AND their participation is registered *individually* too.Jun 22 21:36
XRevan86activelow: Only the passport is needed.Jun 22 21:36
activelowXRevan86: ironic, this is in compliance with constitution while german elections aren't.Jun 22 21:37
XRevan86one comes to the polling place, puts a sign in the list near the password number, takes a ballot and casts itJun 22 21:37
XRevan86* a signatureJun 22 21:38
activelowan election must remain secret, and not voting too had to remain so, secret, since the choice to not vote is a choice too.Jun 22 21:38
techrights-bot/fn#Security -Focused Tutanota Mail’s Linux Desktop Application is Now Available • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security-Focused Tutanota Mail’s Linux Desktop Application is Now Available | Tux MachinesJun 22 21:38
XRevan86I don't agree, participation must be recorded to avoid voting fraud.Jun 22 21:38
gustafthat sounds like a weird interpretation of voting rulesJun 22 21:38
activelowi explicitely chose to NOT vote for any of this, yet non-presence is registered likewise presence is.Jun 22 21:39
techrights-bot/fnGoogle uses its money (LF, Mozilla) to impose Rust on Linux 22 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 22 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsJun 22 21:39
gustafevery eligible voter in Sweden gets a voting card in the mail before an electionJun 22 21:39
gustafand it's presented at the polling place Jun 22 21:40
XRevan86It doesn't matter all that much if they know who's voted and who hasn't.Jun 22 21:40
gustafso ofc if you don't vote that can be recorded Jun 22 21:40
activelowbest option is to go vote, and pass an invalid one, although this doesn't express my will either, i didn't support non-democratic elections at all.Jun 22 21:40
gustafbut that's fineJun 22 21:40
gustafbecause it's not like Australia where voting is compulsoryJun 22 21:40
XRevan86Non-democratic elections have an interesting quality: they can just draw 95% participation regardless.Jun 22 21:40
activelowand not participating in an election being registered *individually* is in violation of the constitution, in germany at least.Jun 22 21:41
XRevan86not checking for who has or hasn't voted is a property of non-democratic elections as they really don't want anyone to be able to checkJun 22 21:41
activelowthey could check without marking any single individualJun 22 21:42
activelowsince voters are already registered individually, that's ok. it is ok too registration card is invalidated once voted. it is NOT ok to register participation individually.Jun 22 21:43
activelowsince NOT-voting for any of the undemocratic nonsense is a choice too.Jun 22 21:43
*AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrightsJun 22 21:44
activelowand such a voter's choice must remain secret according to the consitution, which german elections violate to begin with.Jun 22 21:44
XRevan86And now voting through Gosuslugi is a thing too.Jun 22 21:44
XRevan86and it's such an incredible field for fraud I don't evenJun 22 21:44
gustafwhat is Gosuslugi ? Jun 22 21:45
CrystalMathschestowitz: there is a mistake in the transcriptJun 22 21:45
XRevan86GovservicesJun 22 21:45
CrystalMatha sentence from Lil Pump misattributed to Andrew LeeJun 22 21:46
XRevan86An Internet portal with all kinds of governmental stuff.Jun 22 21:46
XRevan86soon every new born will have an account thereJun 22 21:46
XRevan86(that's for real)Jun 22 21:46
gustafok so you logon and can vote there? Jun 22 21:46
gustafamazingJun 22 21:46
gustafhow do you ID? e-sig? Jun 22 21:47
XRevan86gustaf: passportJun 22 21:47
MinceRit's amazing how you can vote when votes are meaningless, isn't it? :>Jun 22 21:47
gustafXRevan86: ok Jun 22 21:47
gustaflike... enter the passport number? Jun 22 21:48
XRevan86gustaf: Make an account, attach identification, then one can vote.Jun 22 21:48
gustafyeah that sounds sketchy as heck :(Jun 22 21:48
XRevan86people get hacked and voting unknowingly all the time nowJun 22 21:49
gustafI believe voting was compulsory in the USSR Jun 22 21:49
activelowin east-germany it was suspicious already to enter the cabin to secretly voteJun 22 21:49
XRevan86gustaf: It wasn't.Jun 22 21:49
gustafXRevan86: I was misinformed thenJun 22 21:50
gustafjust this weird urban legend that went around Jun 22 21:50
XRevan86but there were all kinds of perks someone who shows up was gettingJun 22 21:50
gustafI see Jun 22 21:51
XRevan86like sausage :)Jun 22 21:51
gustafI've been discussing elections in IRan with a coworker Jun 22 21:51
gustafapparently they're quite openJun 22 21:51
activelownowadays the only relevant choice is participation or none, and such *individual* choice isn't at least kept secret to remain compliant with the constitution, individual voters choices must remain secret.Jun 22 21:51
gustafofc the state decides *who* can stand for electionJun 22 21:51
MinceRah, just like the eastern blocJun 22 21:52
gustafyeahJun 22 21:52
XRevan86activelow: If ye can design a system that can uphold that and is accountable, go ahead.Jun 22 21:52
gustafto stand for parlaiment oyu have to have a degreeJun 22 21:52
schestowitzMinceR: care to read a draft?Jun 22 21:52
activelowXRevan86: it is trivial, in non-electronic form.Jun 22 21:52
MinceRyesJun 22 21:52
gustafand ofc the state decides who can graduate ... Jun 22 21:52
schestowitzhang on, thanksJun 22 21:52
XRevan86activelow: 22 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Electoral fraud - WikipediaJun 22 21:53
activelowXRevan86: they individually mark an individual voter in a spreadsheet. they already do collect/invalidate the registartion card for verification.Jun 22 21:54
XRevan86activelow: So, what do ye want instead? A million anons showing up mysteriously with a million ballots for United Russia?Jun 22 21:55
activelowXRevan86: nothing.Jun 22 21:55
XRevan86activelow: Very true, supreme leader for the win.Jun 22 21:55
activelowXRevan86: it is OK to be registered invidually and be verified indvidually. it is OK to invaldiate registration cards. it is NOT ok to record indivudals in the spreadsheet.Jun 22 21:56
XRevan86I think I'm just not getting this whole registration card system.Jun 22 21:56
schestowitzMinceR: typos for sure!Jun 22 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft” Again | TechrightsJun 22 21:57
MinceRschestowitz: i'm not sure if there's such a thing as 'vendoring off'Jun 22 22:00
schestowitzI'm not sure eitherJun 22 22:01
schestowitzhow would you put itJun 22 22:01
MinceRnot sure what you're trying to sayJun 22 22:01
MinceR"zemlin is selling an illusion of trust", perhaps?Jun 22 22:01
MinceR"little but a marketing apparatus" -> "little more than a marketing apparatus", perhapsJun 22 22:03
MinceRlol @ "the Linux Foundation AI" (from ibm)Jun 22 22:04
schestowitzyupJun 22 22:05
schestowitzBSJun 22 22:05
schestowitzpure BSJun 22 22:05
MinceRalso, wiktionary tells me that "recognise" is "non-Oxford British spelling"Jun 22 22:05
MinceRthat's all i've foundJun 22 22:05
schestowitzI integrated your suggestions, thanksJun 22 22:05
MinceRnpJun 22 22:06
schestowitzi might do a video about this once more puff pieces are availableJun 22 22:06
schestowitzpaid-for fluffJun 22 22:06
schestowitzhey hiJun 22 22:06
schestowitzeverything,Jun 22 22:06
schestowitzMicrosoft.... LINUXJun 22 22:06
techrights-bot/fn“ #LinuxFoundation Partners With #Microsoft ” Again #zemlinPAC #sellout #linuxJun 22 22:07
schestowitzit's guranteed the puff pieces will come until fridayJun 22 22:07
schestowitzthen I can refer to the text and do a videoJun 22 22:07
schestowitzthose charlatans and liarJun 22 22:07
schestowitz*liarsJun 22 22:07
XFaCE>THE Linux Foundation is going to find itself in the same situation Freenode is in.Jun 22 22:08
XFaCEDifference is the corporate approvalJun 22 22:08
schestowitzwanna be rich?Jun 22 22:08
schestowitzBecome a charlatan and liar like ZemlinJun 22 22:08
MinceR 22 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distroJun 22 22:08
schestowitzXFaCE: yes, trueJun 22 22:08
XFaCEMinceR: classicJun 22 22:08
schestowitzit's not a great analogyJun 22 22:08
MinceR:)Jun 22 22:08
schestowitza timely analogy thoughJun 22 22:08
schestowitzthe commonality isJun 22 22:08
schestowitzyou alienate the key/core peopleJun 22 22:08
schestowitzuserbaseJun 22 22:08
schestowitzand don't careJun 22 22:09
schestowitzyou think only the brand mattersJun 22 22:09
schestowitzguess whatJun 22 22:09
schestowitzOSI is deadJun 22 22:09
schestowitzLF might be nextJun 22 22:09
XFaCEA better analogy would be a supposedly ethical advocate turned politician who fully accepts the will of bureaucracyJun 22 22:09
schestowitzdoes anyone here want to email TOrvalds?Jun 22 22:09
schestowitzI have his email address, it's not even hard to findJun 22 22:09
schestowitzask him what he thinks of his brand being used for Microsoft proprietary PRJun 22 22:09
XFaCE"just for fun"Jun 22 22:10
MinceRsave him from his blackmailers first if you want a straight answerJun 22 22:10
techrights-bot/fn#linuxfoundation : DEFUNCT DEFUNCT DEFUNCT... killing #linux (the brand) for money... milking it off... till death. 22 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation - TechrightsJun 22 22:10
XFaCEpretty muchJun 22 22:10
schestowitzthey watch his emailJun 22 22:11
schestowitzhe does not use encryptionJun 22 22:11
schestowitzlinuxfoundation.orgJun 22 22:11
schestowitzsanta is MicrosoftJun 22 22:11
schestowitz'naughty' LinuxJun 22 22:11
schestowitzLinusJun 22 22:11
schestowitz"don't you ever respond to Roy again"Jun 22 22:11
MinceR:>Jun 22 22:11
XFaCEIt's basically a foundation in the same way rich oligarchs have foundationsJun 22 22:11
XFaCEI wonder how much tax shenanigans go on at the LFJun 22 22:12
techrights-bot/fn#linux works for #nsa by proxy now. 22 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsJun 22 22:12
XFaCEThat and Red Hat's NSA connectionsJun 22 22:12
techrights-bot/fn#linux is not a community anymore, #gnu still is. That's why #corporateMedia ignores it and occasionally attacks its founder by defaming him.Jun 22 22:13
techrights-bot/fnSo-called "Linux" Foundation is "basically a foundation in the same way rich oligarchs have foundations" - XFaCE in #techrights 22 22:14
schestowitzXFaCE: it's lots of tax evasionJun 22 22:14
schestowitznot just for salariesJun 22 22:14
schestowitzbut also contracts for marketingJun 22 22:14
schestowitztax exemptJun 22 22:14
schestowitzXFaCE: yes, I didn't say our articles about Red Hat and NSA are any less relevantJun 22 22:14
schestowitzand IBM is worse than Red HatJun 22 22:14
schestowitztheir affairs with the intel 'community' goes way backJun 22 22:15
schestowitzto the World WarsJun 22 22:15
XFaCEOh, it was just to emphasize how bad things areJun 22 22:15
schestowitzthey even has "IBM Corps" in the armyJun 22 22:15
schestowitzD-Day invasionJun 22 22:15
XFaCEand of course IBM is red hat now, just another spiral down the voidJun 22 22:15
schestowitzto take back their Hollerith machinesJun 22 22:15
schestowitzred hat lost credibilityJun 22 22:15
schestowitzIBM works with Microsoft more closely than Red Hat ever didJun 22 22:16
schestowitzalso AppleJun 22 22:16
XFaCEActually, the LF is worse than those foundations, because with those you have malicious individuals making malicious foundations... what you see is what you get, GIGOJun 22 22:16
XFaCEBut Linus part in Linux isn't like those individualsJun 22 22:16
schestowitzat age 51 people cares lessJun 22 22:17
schestowitzneeds to pay for 3 kidsJun 22 22:17
schestowitzand retire safely one dayJun 22 22:17
XFaCEYeah but even then he isn't in the oligarch classJun 22 22:17
schestowitzmaybe some event will change his mind, but he's already surrounded by LF-filtered peopleJun 22 22:17
XFaCEWhat I'm emphasising is that the LF takes a good name and taintsJun 22 22:17
schestowitzblinders onJun 22 22:17
XFaCEI guess lucky for him it isn't called the Torvalds FoundationJun 22 22:17
schestowitzhis dad would be pissed offJun 22 22:18
XFaCEHis dad is the one that spoke in regards to NDAs and the Snowden revelations and how they relate to Linus correct?Jun 22 22:18
AdmFubar HA! Sure there is privacy!Jun 22 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Brave launches its privacy-focused no-tracking search engineJun 22 22:20
AdmFubar 22 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SonicWall bug that affected 800K firewalls was only partially fixedJun 22 22:20
DaemonFCSo Progressive pops up a car insurance quote and it says "We found your spouse, Timothy Armstrong." and I'm like, "Uhhh, no?".Jun 22 22:22
AdmFubarthis is just weird... 22 22:22
AdmFubarDoes this mean they got a happy ending?Jun 22 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mysterious ransomware payment traced to a sensual massage siteJun 22 22:22
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AdmFubarsoftware and a service or else! 22 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Peloton Tread owners now forced into monthly subscription after recallJun 22 22:23
XFaCEschestowitz: I think the majority of positive buzz of IBM in the mainstream are video channels covering old IBM hardware like keyboards and laptops from 30+ years ago.Jun 22 22:24
XFaCE(mainstream being organic popularity, not MSM)Jun 22 22:24
AdmFubar 22 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Majority of Web Apps in 11 Industries Are ...Jun 22 22:27
schestowitzXFaCE: something like that (Nils), yesJun 22 22:28
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schestowitzre IBM, they did put the foundations for many thingsJun 22 22:28
schestowitzbut not anymoreJun 22 22:28
MinceRand even some of that was unintentionalJun 22 22:28
schestowitzthey also milked Jeopardy (IIRC) for Watson marketingJun 22 22:29
MinceRe.g. the PC ended up as an open platform solely because ibm didn't think they could make significant profit out of itJun 22 22:29
MinceRwhen they realized they could, they tried to do so with the PS/2Jun 22 22:29
AdmFubar 22 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tech Regulatory Overhaul Series: A Discrimination Bill Against Consumers - Disruptive Competition ProjectJun 22 22:31
techrights-bot/fnLinks 22/6/2021: KDE Plasma 5.22.2, FreeBSD 13.0 Compared to DragonFlyBSD 6.0 • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 22 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 22/6/2021: KDE Plasma 5.22.2, FreeBSD 13.0 Compared to DragonFlyBSD 6.0 | TechrightsJun 22 22:31
XFaCEThere are individual designers/engineers at IBM at the time who were truly remarkable, but the historical rhetorical they were in spite of IBM's nature, not because of itJun 22 22:31
techrights-bot/fn#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 22 22:32
MinceRi guess that's the advantage ibm had over microsoftJun 22 22:32
techrights-bot/fn#LibreOffice Conference and Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice’s Tips of The Day • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #freesw #opendocunment #TuxMachinesJun 22 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreOffice Conference and Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day | Tux MachinesJun 22 22:32
MinceRibm's corporate culture did not nullify individual engineering prowessJun 22 22:32
techrights-bot/fn#FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 22 22:33
techrights-bot/fnToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 22 22:33
schestowitzMinceR: they had a monopolyJun 22 22:34
AdmFubarHa! that wil be the day...Jun 22 22:34
schestowitzand could attract some very talented peopleJun 22 22:34
schestowitzas a result of that monopolyJun 22 22:34
schestowitzthat doesn't beget a status of "greatness"Jun 22 22:34
schestowitzGoogle also attracted many top engsJun 22 22:34
AdmFubaribm was built on revengeJun 22 22:34
schestowitzso Gulag managed to dominate a lot of thingsJun 22 22:35
schestowitzbut those engs did not come from googleJun 22 22:35
XFaCEYeah, the Model M keyboard is great, but it doesn't mean IBM as a whole was great for exampleJun 22 22:35
schestowitzthey were head-hunted by GoogleJun 22 22:35
AdmFubar 22 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Is There Such A Gender Gap In COVID-19 Vaccination Rates? | FiveThirtyEightJun 22 22:36
MinceRschestowitz: sure, but is there a microshit equivalent to the ThinkPad or the Model F or Model M keyboards?Jun 22 22:36
XFaCESome of their game controllersJun 22 22:36
XFaCEat bestJun 22 22:36
MinceRtheir overrated mice?Jun 22 22:36
techrights-bot/fnChris Titus Tech doing some spammy marketing again. #youtube has become 50% shite even if you subscribe to "good" channels. They get seduced and try to 'monetise'... #socialcontrolmedia #misinformation #spamJun 22 22:36
XFaCEMinceR: or comparing OS/2 to Windows 3.x in the software arenaJun 22 22:37
MinceRthey were both rotten, afaictJun 22 22:38
AdmFubaros/2 was rather good, it was ms that had a smear campaign against it.Jun 22 22:39
XFaCEAnd it had higher resource requirements at the timeJun 22 22:39
AdmFubar 22 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Your phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs- Technology News, FirstpostJun 22 22:39
techrights-bot/fn"In an alternate universe, we still have 320x240px displays." 22 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pixels - Even a Stopped ClockJun 22 22:40
AdmFubaryeah... but who developed it for ibm?Jun 22 22:40
XFaCEwell by the time 2.0, IBMJun 22 22:40
schestowitzAdmFubar: lol, they make vaccines a gender issue nowJun 22 22:40
XFaCEThey had creative control over the productJun 22 22:40
schestowitzlet me guess what nextJun 22 22:40
AdmFubarmicrosoft did development for it..Jun 22 22:40
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XFaCEYes they did, but 2.0 was a very thorough rewrite by IBMJun 22 22:41
AdmFubaryeah they got it away from ms but the damage was doneJun 22 22:41
XFaCEfair enoughJun 22 22:41
AdmFubarit is the one thing nice ms did... out "ibm" ,ibmJun 22 22:42
MinceRafaik OS/2 PM had a global event loop, which meant that any application could hang the entire GUIJun 22 22:42
MinceRgreat design!Jun 22 22:42
XFaCEWindows 3.x did for sureJun 22 22:43
XFaCEtime for some lazy wp researchJun 22 22:43
MinceRdunno about that, bit xp finally got a workaround for window decorations using the client's event loop, making windows unmanageable if the application owning them frozeJun 22 22:43
techrights-bot/fnJim "Open Source Loves Microsoft" #Zemlin shows (or rears) his face again, and as usual it’s just more promotion of #marketing rubbish and #openwashing of #Microsoft • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 22 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft” Again | TechrightsJun 22 22:43
MinceRgnome/wayland people love that design flaw so much they reinvented itJun 22 22:43
XFaCEGnome, for when you want that minimalist interface look without the resource savings that come from using a minimalist window mangerJun 22 22:45
AdmFubar 22 22:45
MinceR:>Jun 22 22:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ban on mis-selling, fraudulent flash sales and other changes to e-commerce rules proposed by govt- Technology News, FirstpostJun 22 22:45
techrights-bot/fnArduino rocks babies to sleep, gives parents a break | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 22 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arduino rocks babies to sleep, gives parents a break | Arduino BlogJun 22 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 22 22:46
techrights-bot/fnAdding a ChaCha Cipher to #Precursor ’s TRNG - bunnie’s blog ⚓ ䷉ #bunniestudios " #Linux maintains an entropy pool that is collected from a variety of low-and-high-quality sources"Jun 22 22:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Adding a ChaCha Cipher to Precursor’s TRNG « bunnie's blogJun 22 22:47
techrights-bot/fnThis shield brings a #tictactoe game to your Arduino Mega, complete with an AI opponent | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #HackingJun 22 22:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This shield brings a tic-tac-toe game to your Arduino Mega, complete with an AI opponent | Arduino BlogJun 22 22:47
techrights-bot/fnCelebrating 10 years of Reps – Mozilla Reps ⚓ ䷉ #Mozilla #WWW #FreeSW #Firefox #Internet ... "Zoom rooms" FACEPALM!Jun 22 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Celebrating 10 years of Reps – Mozilla RepsJun 22 22:48
techrights-bot/fnToday in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 22 22:49
techrights-bot/fnTC39 meeting, May 25-26 2021 | #SpiderMonkey #JavaScript / #WebAssembly Engine ⚓ ䷉ #mozillaJun 22 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TC39 meeting, May 25-26 2021 | SpiderMonkey JavaScript/WebAssembly EngineJun 22 22:49
techrights-bot/fn"In this lengthy video, I go over some of the changes I would make with #Ubuntu (with GNOME) if I were using it as my daily driver. I don't make drastic changes like swapping out the desktop environment. I just tweak some of the things that are already there." 22 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taking Ubuntu To The Next Level - YouTubeJun 22 22:50
techrights-bot/fnYour [sic] phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs 22 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Your phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs- Technology News, FirstpostJun 22 22:52
techrights-bot/fnActually, your [sic] 'phone' sometimes does listen to you 22 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' - BBC NewsJun 22 22:52
techrights-bot/fn"Alexander Kiryuhin has again released a version of the Rakudo Compiler implementing the #RakuLang #Programming Language: the 2021.06 Compiler Release!" 22 22:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2021.25 Small Steps – Rakudo Weekly NewsJun 22 22:53
techrights-bot/fnJamie McClelland: How to Meet Online with Simultaneous Interpretation #jitsi #jitsimeet #freeswJun 22 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Meet Online with Simultaneous InterpretationJun 22 22:54
techrights-bot/fnIs this an ad? 22 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minimalist, open source, encrypted Google Photos & Google Docs alternative? We'll see about that! - YouTubeJun 22 22:55
techrights-bot/fn#Vim vs. #Nano vs. #Emacs : Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable Sysadmin ⚓ ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in 22 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Vim vs. Nano vs. Emacs: Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable SysadminJun 22 22:56
techrights-bot/fn#ISRG and #Google Back #Rust for #Linux Project LF as lobbying/pressure group for monopolists 22 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 22 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsJun 22 22:57
techrights-bot/fn"Containers are not new. Depending on how you define "containers" they can date back to 2008 for LXC" ⚓ ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in 22 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The evolution of SDN: What service mesh offers telcoJun 22 22:58
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techrights-bot/fnHow is the retail industry using enterprise open source? ⚓ ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in 22 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How is the retail industry using enterprise open source?Jun 22 22:59
AdmFubar 22 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | There's no 'Skype' in Teams: Microsoft lets signing key for its Debian Skype repository slip gently into the night • The RegisterJun 22 23:00
techrights-bot/fnThe #Gulag -run #ISRG wants to make the #Linux #kernel memory-safe with Rust see 22 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:04
techrights-bot/fn13 Important Privacy and #Security Settings in #Ubuntu #Linux ⚓ ䷉ #vitux | more in 22 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 13 Important Privacy and Security Settings in Ubuntu LinuxJun 22 23:05
techrights-bot/fnEuro 2020: Raheem Sterling strike secures top spot for England #england #football #euro2020Jun 22 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Euro 2020: Raheem Sterling strike secures top spot for England - BBC SportJun 22 23:06
techrights-bot/fnA study of the #Linux #kernel PCI subsystem with QEMU • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A study of the Linux kernel PCI subsystem with QEMU | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:06
AdmFubar 22 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bad Patents Getting In The Way Of A Fun Toy; Or Why I Had To Teach My Kids About How Patents Ruin Everything | TechdirtJun 22 23:09
techrights-bot/fn"The Ubuntu in the wild blog post ropes in the latest highlights about Ubuntu and Canonical around the world on a bi-weekly basis. It is a summary of all the things that made us feel proud to be part of this journey." 22 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu in the wild – 22nd of June | UbuntuJun 22 23:10
techrights-bot/fn#curl dev Daniel Stenberg continues selling himself off to enemies of #freesw see 22 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On the GitHub ReadMe podcast | daniel.haxx.seJun 22 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsJun 22 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Delete Github - TechrightsJun 22 23:11
techrights-bot/fnTI10: The International for #Dota2 may not happen in Sweden now as it's not elite enough | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesJun 22 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TI10: The International for Dota 2 may not happen in Sweden now as it's not elite enough | GamingOnLinuxJun 22 23:13
techrights-bot/fn#codeplex failed, shut down. #github is also failing, but it statted a little higher than, say, #SourceForge ( ) when #microsoft 'bought' itself a market positionJun 22 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SourceForge - TechrightsJun 22 23:15
techrights-bot/fn"More significantly, McGovern and Lamb are both personal friends. They live in the Cambridge region of the UK. McGovern gave a job to his mate's girlfriend." #gnomefoundation 22 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Neil McGovern & Debian: GNOME and MollygateJun 22 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME Foundation - TechrightsJun 22 23:17
techrights-bot/fn"By By Bruce Byfield". Yes, bye bye, Bruce Byfield. Still attacking the FSF with loaded and misleading headlines: "What happens if the FSF collapses?" 22 23:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What happens if the FSF collapses? » Linux MagazineJun 22 23:19
MinceRlolJun 22 23:19
techrights-bot/fn2020: concern-trolling as 'news'. One modus operandi of the coup against the FSF since 2019.Jun 22 23:20
techrights-bot/fn"Recently Distrotube made a video about why word processors are evil, this video was full of really odd arguments as well as some things that were just flat out wrong so I felt like I needed to correct a lot of the points he made." 22 23:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroTube Is Wrong About Word Processors! - YouTubeJun 22 23:21
techrights-bot/fn#ibm milking the word "LINUX" to sell proprietary stuff and "clown" 22 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Utilize LinuxONE as a platform to build open source technology – IBM DeveloperJun 22 23:22
techrights-bot/fn"While our software runs on Linux, Windows and macOS, we know it doesn't run evenly across all three platforms. The macOS version is in need of some serious love." Who for? #apple users in love with Apple and Adobe... bring them over to #gnu #linux 22 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Seeking macOS dev contributor for Inkscape project | InkscapeJun 22 23:23
techrights-bot/fn"This particular reformatting task is one I've seen celebrated as easy-peasy with AWK. Do you want "Firstname Lastname" made into "Lastname, Firstname"? No problem..." #bash #AWKJun 22 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "Firstname Lastname" to "Lastname, Firstname", with complicationsJun 22 23:24
techrights-bot/fn"Hello and welcome to Episode 417 of Linux in the Ham Shack." #gnu #linuxJun 22 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LHS Episode #417: The Gang’s All Here | Linux in the Ham ShackJun 22 23:25
techrights-bot/fn"Scratch my back and I will scratch yours"-type marketing and shallow endorsements 22 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Perfect Partnership: SUSE Wins HPE Global Technology Partner of the Year 2021 | SUSE CommunitiesJun 22 23:27
techrights-bot/fn#Google lobbying via proxies like Mozilla, LF, and ISRG see #gulag #alphabetJun 22 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsJun 22 23:29
techrights-bot/fnMore #Akademy 2021 blog posts #kde #FreeSWJun 22 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE: Akademy, KNewStuff, and digiKam | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:31
cubexyz/fnyou may have seen this one already (from 2020):Jun 22 23:31
techrights-bot/fnKDE Plasma 5.22.2, Bugfix Release for June 22 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:32
cubexyz/fn 22 23:35
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cubexyz/fncan't clipboard from this old dillo :-/Jun 22 23:35
schestowitzahJun 22 23:35
schestowitzlet me see...Jun 22 23:36
techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 23:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:37
techrights-bot/fn#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 22 23:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:37
schestowitzcubexyz: yes, we had that in Daily Links at the timeJun 22 23:38
schestowitza lot has happened since thenJun 22 23:38
schestowitz 22 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates’s Philanthropic Giving Is a RacketJun 22 23:38
cubexyz/fnok, I thought you probably knew about itJun 22 23:38
schestowitz 22 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsJun 22 23:38
schestowitzwhile many obsessed over the 'evils' of RMSJun 22 23:38
schestowitzat least people now understand it betterJun 22 23:39
schestowitzbetter later than NEVERJun 22 23:39
schestowitzalso, we got tons of traffic for our very old articles about GatesJun 22 23:39
schestowitzthey became very much relevant many years down the lineJun 22 23:39
cubexyz/fnyes, younger folks may not realize how bad microsoft was/isJun 22 23:39
cubexyz/fnthere's a lot of chromebook and mac usage nowadaysJun 22 23:40
cubexyz/fnI'm not sure if mac is better, but their OS is BSD based at leastJun 22 23:41
techrights-bot/fn#LinuxFoundation is #openwashing #Microsoft and #listeningdevices . How appalling and antithetical to "Linux". see 22 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation initiative advocates open standards for voice assistants | VentureBeatJun 22 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft” Again | TechrightsJun 22 23:41
techrights-bot/fnOpen Source 3D CAD Software for #GNU #Linux for #3DPrinter Models #OpenSCADJun 22 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» Open Source 3D CAD Software for GNU Linux for 3D Printer Models | dwaves.deJun 22 23:42
cubexyz/fngates' depo is still on youtube, so people can see for themselves his behaviourJun 22 23:45
schestowitzwe have copiesJun 22 23:46
schestowitz 22 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates Deposition - TechrightsJun 22 23:46
schestowitzcubexyz: apple is not BSDJun 22 23:46
schestowitzthey just misuse the UNIX brandJun 22 23:46
schestowitzand Linux means not what it used to meanJun 22 23:47
schestowitzchromeos is gentoo based Jun 22 23:47
schestowitzbut no freedomJun 22 23:47
schestowitzso we need to change the terminopolyJun 22 23:47
schestowitzin order to accomplish something meaningfulJun 22 23:47
schestowitzLF promotes polluters, not reuseJun 22 23:47
cubexyz/fnidea: techrights listing recommended OSes, motherboards, etcJun 22 23:47
schestowitzgreenwashing the world's worst culpritsJun 22 23:47
schestowitzcubexyz do you want to volunteer to maintain the page/s?Jun 22 23:48
schestowitzlike, in the wikiJun 22 23:48
schestowitz?Jun 22 23:48
MinceR(audio:unimportant) 22 23:48
cubexyz/fnwell, I could get it started at leastJun 22 23:48
cubexyz/fnit is something I do think about a lotJun 22 23:48
cubexyz/fnat least list the bare bones no-OS computersJun 22 23:49
techrights-bot/fnJingPad A1: Linux-based tablet with an AMOLED display blows through its Indiegogo campaign goal 22 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:50
techrights-bot/fnAudiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, DistroTube, and Cryptee • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 22 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, DistroTube, and Cryptee | Tux MachinesJun 22 23:50
techrights-bot/fn#Innovatrics Optimizes Smart [sic] Face for Linux and NVIDIA Jetson Systems an example of how the #linux brand will increasingly be misused to promote rather abusive thingsJun 22 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Innovatrics Optimizes SmartFace for Linux and NVIDIA Jetson SystemsJun 22 23:52
techrights-bot/fn#intel is collapsing see 22 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Announces New Leadership Roles, Business Unit Changes - PhoronixJun 22 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Intel leaks - TechrightsJun 22 23:53
techrights-bot/fnMore #intel defects, but Michael focus on the positives 22 23:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Latest CPU Microcode Update Isn't All That Scary - PhoronixJun 22 23:55
techrights-bot/fnparallel @ Savannah: #GNUParallel 20210622 ('Protasevich') released [stable] "No new functionality was introduced so this is a good candidate for a stable release."Jun 22 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Parallel - News: GNU Parallel 20210622 ('Protasevich') released [stable] [Savannah]Jun 22 23:56
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techrights-bot/fn#SoftwarePatents #swpats 22 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Parus Files Patent Lawsuit Against Microsoft for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control TechnologyJun 22 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parus Files Second Patent Lawsuit Against Google for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control Technology | National News | mdjonline.comJun 22 23:59
cubexyz/fnI tell people to "look at the refurbs" and watch out for non-standard power suppliesJun 22 23:59
techrights-bot/fnFOSS Patents: Legislative intent couldn't be clearer: availability of #patent injunctions not compromised by new #Germany legislation ⚓ ䷉ #fosspatents #deJun 22 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: Legislative intent couldn't be clearer: availability of patent injunctions not compromised by new German legislationJun 22 23:59

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