IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, December 03, 2020

XRevan86

It's always DaemonFC[m] %)

XRevan86

Probably uses Google Chrome and Google Search on his smartphone.

XRevan86

or Brave or something

https://www.makeuseof.com/ai-tools-add-color-old-black-and-white-photos/

smnthermes

Or Vivaldi

Dec 03 00:18

XRevan86

But definitely somewhere in the Google rabbit-hole.

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Dec 03 03:29

schestowitz

Ariadne: after 3 days, if href cannot be reached, maybe it can still be arranged for him to pass the domain to someone else? Maybe I can try to manage it myself to some degree? Better than dead at least.

Dec 03 04:58

Ariadne

I mean if we can t reach him how would we transfer the domain?

Dec 03 05:19

schestowitz

eventually he might turn up

Dec 03 05:19

schestowitz

I suppose you know him in person because you spoke before about domain transfer and all

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Dec 03 06:05

DaemonFC[m]

Yesterday was the worst day yet for Coronavirus deaths.

Dec 03 06:08

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | 6 AI Tools That Add Color to Old Black and White Photos

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: wait till the holiday travel takes effect

schestowitz

and older people catch it in dinner tables

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/941509563/lawmakers-barrel-ahead-on-defense-bill-plans-balking-at-trump-veto-threat

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 03 06:13

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Lawmakers Balk At Trump Veto Threat, Barrel Ahead On Defense Bill Plans : NPR

Dec 03 06:14

DaemonFC[m]

They have veto-proof majority for that, so....

Dec 03 06:16

schestowitz

they put copyright stuff there, iirc

schestowitz

if the above is about ndaa

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201201/10514145802/tis-season-congress-looks-to-sneak-unconstitutional-copyright-reform-bill-into-must-pass-spending-bill.shtml

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Tis The Season: Congress Looks To Sneak In Unconstitutional Copyright Reform Bill Into 'Must Pass' Spending Bill | Techdirt

https://lwn.net/Articles/837642/

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Dec 03 06:32

schestowitz

Dec 03 06:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No LWN.net Weekly Edition next week [LWN.net]

Dec 03 06:34

schestowitz

"Thursday, November 26 is the Thanksgiving holiday in the US. We traditionally take that week off to celebrate with our families and eat far too much food. The pandemic situation has turned family celebrations into a poor idea, but time off and food still seem like entirely appropriate ideas. Thus, there will be no LWN Weekly Edition on November 26."

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schestowitz

> Phipps 10 years ago: *Stallman lacks empathy*

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> SFC 1 year ago: Censor Stallman

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> Collabora (Includes people who are close friends with Nat Friedman)

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> *"Empathy does not mean censorship"*

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> We have refuted the idea that autists are not incapable of empathy,

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> however they are still viewed/stereotyped as being incapable.

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> When you are demanding conformity with a (cynical buzzword) that a group

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> is stereotyped as being incapable of, in the present climate it's

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> extremely difficult to believe this doesn't directly target a certain

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> group of developers for discrimination. The fact that it's the one (or

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> perhaps one of two) group/s of people who seem "ineligible" for

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> protection against discrimination and stereotyping can't be ignored

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> either. Can't say "bitch" to make a point, but you can sure say

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> "neckbeard" without anybody skipping a beat.

schestowitz

>> We have refuted the idea that autists are not incapable of empathy

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> Strike "not", sigh.

schestowitz

Re: Nothing GNU here

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> * 19 new GNU releases in the last month (as of November 25, 2020):*

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> full list:

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> * automake-1.16.3 <- requires perl*

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> * bison-3.7.4 <- developed on GitHub*

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> complexity-1.13

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> emms-6.0

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> * gama-2.11 <- perl and png in docs*

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> gmp-6.2.1

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> * gnucobol-3.1 <- perl and flex*

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> * gnunet-0.14.0 <- uses perl and wolfssl (GitHub)*

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> gnupg-2.2.25

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> * grep-3.6 <- perl in unit tests*

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> * guix-1.2.0 <- uses elogind from GitHub*

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> * libredwg-0.11.1 <- perl*

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> * mdk-1.3.0 <- zlib1g, flex*

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> * parallel-20201122 <- perl*

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> taler-0.8.1

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> * texinfo-4.1 <- perl*

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> unifont-13.0.04

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> * units-2.21 <- perl, python*

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> * zile-2.4.15 <- perl in unit tests*

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> just perl:

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> automake-1.16.3 <- requires perl

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> grep-3.6 <- perl in unit tests

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> libredwg-0.11.1 <- perl

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> parallel-20201122 <- perl

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> texinfo-4.1 <- perl

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> zile-2.4.15 <- perl in unit tests

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schestowitz

> not just perl:

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> bison-3.7.4 <- developed on GitHub

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> gama-2.11 <- perl and png in docs

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> gnucobol-3.1 <- perl and flex

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> gnunet-0.14.0 <- uses perl and wolfssl (GitHub)

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> guix-1.2.0 <- uses elogind from GitHub

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> mdk-1.3.0 <- zlib1g, flex

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> units-2.21 <- perl, python

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schestowitz

> projects with key people hostile to stallman / friendly to coup:

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> gnupg-2.2.25

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> guix-1.2.0 <- uses elogind from GitHub

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> unifont-13.0.04

psydroid

I think the US computer market is one of the more interesting ones to watch, as it seems Apple is most popular there with Google also having significant market share with its operating systems and Windows in decline again after some spike earlier this year

Dec 03 07:06

psydroid

India is already primarily on Android

Dec 03 07:06

psydroid

So more "neckbeard' attacks are to be expected

kingoffrance

well (briefly) cocs are in charter schools too, and they want them in public as well (in us)...behavioral control; yes, it is common now to accuse ppl of being autistic; doesnt surprise me i guess

kingoffrance

neckbeard used to be wise man lol that one is kind of 180 it seems

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kingoffrance

im kind of amazed it could be an insult, but kind of not

Dec 03 07:08

kingoffrance

anything but tech or freedom i guess

Dec 03 07:08

psydroid

It's a meaningless term used only to express your dissatisfaction with the major ransomware vehicle being in decline

Dec 03 07:08

psydroid

At least that's how I see it mainly used

Dec 03 07:09

kingoffrance

yes, theyll surely newspeak it too (replace with something else) when the time comes

Dec 03 07:09

kingoffrance

i take these things seriously, but nevertheless its amazing they just parrot other ppl it seems

Dec 03 07:10

kingoffrance

serious distractions anyways

Dec 03 07:10

kingoffrance

its like the "open source" thing if you dont go along with the merger you get accused of being schizo

Dec 03 07:11

kingoffrance

so not unexpected

Dec 03 07:11

psydroid

In this case it seems all we have to to is to keep spreading the message of free software in whatever way possible and just sit and wait to see how the "open source" proponents (I.e. parasites) progress on their road to self-destruction

Dec 03 07:14

CrystalMath

open source stood up to the ethical source idiots, at least

Dec 03 07:16

search_social

idk they are more genius than idiot

search_social

well i guess it's not too much of an innovation

search_social

companies can already arbitrarily revoke licenses

search_social

they just put a new spin on it

mjg59

So close

Dec 03 07:24

mjg59

Autism doesn't mean people are incapable of empathy

Dec 03 07:24

schestowitz

tell that to Phipps

mjg59

So Stallman's lack of empathy is his responsibility, not any hypothetical undiagnosed autistic spectrum disorder

schestowitz

let me find the tweets

schestowitz

hang on

schestowitz

here: http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/

Dec 03 07:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights

Dec 03 07:26

schestowitz

screenshots

Dec 03 07:26

mjg59

He's wrong

apropos http://techrights.org/2020/06/30/corporate-crocodile/ http://techrights.org/2020/03/19/cancel-culture-as-assassination/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Crocodiles Can Only Ever Fake Empathy | Techrights

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Against All Superficiality — Cancel Culture is About Assassination, Not Empathy or Love | Techrights

schestowitz

mjg59: so maybe you should cancel phipps, not rms

schestowitz

and write some blog post about "post-phipps OSI"

schestowitz

OSI is dead by the way

schestowitz

SFC is too

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corporate pawns

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their board and presidents

mjg59

As I said in 2009: https://lwn.net/Articles/348543/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OK, I'll bite. Sides of this issue you might not be considering [LWN.net]

schestowitz

they're becoming just corporate attaches now

https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=sv&u=https://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/ny-forskning-sa-stor-del-av-darknet-ar-fylld-av-kriminalitet

search_social

i've noticed anyone that claims someone else has a "lack of empathy" is always someone who has zero empathy themselves

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Dec 03 07:49

schestowitz

Dec 03 08:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate

Dec 03 08:03

psydroid

But the headline actually says the opposite

Dec 03 08:13

psydroid

"New research said a large part of the darknet is filled with crime"

Dec 03 08:13

psydroid

I guess there is still some work to be done on the translation engine

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Dec 03 10:53

psydroid

So several people are pointing out that Microsoft is doing so well with Office365 on Azure and AWS and I'm wondering if there is any truth to that

Dec 03 11:05

psydroid

And if it were true, why are they investing so much time in "loving" all free software projects out there?

Dec 03 11:05

schestowitz

http://techrights.org/2020/07/23/microsoft-defrauding-again/

Dec 03 11:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers | Techrights

Dec 03 11:06

psydroid

https://www.statista.com/statistics/961105/japan-market-share-of-office-suites-technologies/

Dec 03 11:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-• Office suites market share U.S. 2020 | Statista

Dec 03 11:12

psydroid

It's just lies and more lies

Dec 03 11:12

schestowitz

lying is an indutry now

Dec 03 11:26

schestowitz

they call it "perception management"

Dec 03 11:26

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Dec 03 13:11

schestowitz

Ariadne: I changed to

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relay_channels:

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'#boycottnovell-social': []

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'#techrights':

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- 'https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines'

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tux Machines (@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology) - Mastodon for Tech Folks

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'#tuxmachines':

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- 'https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines'

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then restarted the program/daemon

schestowitz

is there anything else that needs changing?

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19579548#a844a2a0177001398a3849d77ca879d5

schestowitz

it doesn't seem to be picking those updates from mastodon.technology

Dec 03 13:22

schestowitz

maybe I edited the wrong yaml file?

Dec 03 13:22

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: X Still Improving and Microsoft ’Embraces’ and 'Extends' Mesa, More DRM • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145011

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | X Still Improving and Microsoft 'Embraces' and 'Extends' Mesa, More DRM | Tux Machines

schestowitz

"Do you mean direct rendering manager there, or digital rights restriction? It's confusing when mesa is the subject..."

schestowitz

"Games avoiding the Windows API and performing system calls directly is an increasingly common occurrence by modern Windows games, seemingly in the name of Digital Rights Management schemes and similar protected modes"

schestowitz

I see no hard dependencies on Pleroma: no matches in /home/viera/viera/viera# grep -R plerom *

Dec 03 13:36

schestowitz

so I wonder why it does not pick up those updates from mastodon? Maybe needs explicit authorisation... will dig around that

Dec 03 13:37

schestowitz

/msg viera follow https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines

Dec 03 13:39

schestowitz

was followed

Dec 03 13:39

schestowitz

but still no luck

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Dec 03 13:40

psydroid

<schestowitz ""Games avoiding the Windows API "> Does that mean those games won't run older versions of Backdoors either? In that case they're painting themselves into a corner with fewer systems being able to run the monstrosity itself and the games, unless the hardware upgrade cycle is kept intact to force Backdoors 10 onto users

Dec 03 13:54

schestowitz

I did not look into it

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here's a tought

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actually many thoughts

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let me know your thoughts, too

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so I am thinking 'aloud' here

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RMS has his political notes

schestowitz

I consider doing the same after the latest catastrophe

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which is pleroma.site dying without warning

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affecting both tuxmachines, techrights, the bots here in IRC

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while I try to see if the site can be salvaged, code can be amended and other factors

schestowitz

what if we either move those personal posts to my personal site

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like stallman.org

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and for tuxmachines I can wait and see what happens... in case pleroma.site comes back one way or another

Dec 03 13:57

schestowitz

or maybe we can do a post for social control media updates in wordpress in techrights

Dec 03 13:57

schestowitz

which would updates every few minutes, with latest updates, somehow...

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rather than static text file in my own web site, as it would be had to manage without some CMS for multiple days

schestowitz

social control media is far too erratic

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sites changing APIs, go up and down, offline.retired far too often

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and we have no control over what they decide

schestowitz

Twitter will block all non-JS users December 15

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They have been warning about it since last month

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so twitter is a goner for sure

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I'm going to devote the rest of the day to cutting off that dependency

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no reason to boycott FB and not Twitter >As well<

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not anymore

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Twitter is malware

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and you have to run malicious JS and see ads to access the site

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more so December 15th onwards

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we have 12 days left

schestowitz

I can do some coding

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-4

schestowitz

maybe I can use the schestowitz.com blog for social control media that's local to me

Dec 03 14:03

psydroid

I would definitely agree with that move and have had no faith in social control media for years now, as you can't reasonably support something you don't have control over

Dec 03 14:14

psydroid

When I hopefully get more powerful ARM hardware next year I will also contribute a node towards decentralisation efforts, but in the meantime I'm minimising my involvement with centralised technology to minimise the possibility of developing any further dependencies on them

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MinceR

Dec 03 14:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley

Dec 03 14:23

CrystalMath

i think with only 7 humanity's dead

Dec 03 14:26

schestowitz

word in progress: http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/04/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

schestowitz

this is updated by a script I've made

schestowitz

work in progress

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cure-2

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Dec 03 14:38

MinceR

well yeah, with 7, it would eliminate all problems with human inbreeding, permanently

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MinceR

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Cure

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Dec 03 14:54

schestowitz

Ariadne: I wonder, if both sites (.site and .fr) are down without prior warning, is it possible they have a DC/routing/network issue? IIRC, he's French, so my first instinct was, maybe a protest against their dumb "global security law" nonsense?

Dec 03 15:31

schestowitz

I'm still hopeful the explanation is simple like, "datacenter got cut off, bringing down all the sites"

Dec 03 15:31

schestowitz

In the meantime I've worked on making a real-time-updated page with all my posts in it: http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/04/

Dec 03 15:32

schestowitz

there will be some softlink to latest date somewhere, I'll improve it over time. Twitter no longer seems to send full archives to users, not to me anyway (since 2016)

Dec 03 15:32

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Dec 03 15:37

AVRS

Hi schestowitz. If I understand correctly, the browser extension IPFS Companion redirects some IPFS links to the local IPFS server. So it would be good if you format the CIDs as links.

Dec 03 15:39

schestowitz

how would that be done?

Dec 03 15:39

schestowitz

ipfs:// ?

Dec 03 15:39

AVRS

It says "Support content-addressed IPFS paths (/ipfs/) and URIs (ipfs://) in your browser, and redirect them to the gateway of your choice"

Dec 03 15:40

AVRS

It redirects https://ipfs.io/ipfs/<CID>

Dec 03 15:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://ipfs.io/ipfs/<CID )

Dec 03 15:40

schestowitz

I don't want to use one particular domain

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as that would 1) defeat the dweb thing

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2) perpetuate our http/s dependence

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people can feed the cid into a client that doesn't do http and html

schestowitz

that's what I was told by our ipfs expert anyway

AVRS

I redirects ipfs.io links to your local IPFS server.

Dec 03 15:43

AVRS

And probably other links.

Dec 03 15:43

AVRS

But it also uses ipfs.io if it disconnects from the server; I haven't found a setting to disable that.

Dec 03 15:43

AVRS

(maybe I confused something there)

Dec 03 15:44

schestowitz

so you want those to be hard links to that domain?

schestowitz

what if that domains goes down a decade later or less?

AVRS

ipns://$cid_or_fqdn

AVRS

ipfs://$cid

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dweb:/ipfs/$cid

from https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion

AVRS

dweb:/ipns/$cid_or_fqdn

Dec 03 15:46

AVRS

Dec 03 15:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion: Browser extension that simplifies access to IPFS resources on the web

Dec 03 15:46

AVRS

Ah, there is a setting "Redirect failed HTTP requests for IPFS resources to the public gateway."

Dec 03 15:47

schestowitz

but does that work just for that one piece of software?

schestowitz

I tried it on firefox, found it hard to use

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and it's considered experimental

AVRS

The web UI seems to be hard to use to view things indeed.

schestowitz

I use the command line

Dec 03 15:49

schestowitz

ipfs cat cid

Dec 03 15:49

schestowitz

then you can pipe and manipulate the output as you please

Dec 03 15:49

schestowitz

most of those files are plain text, at least for now

schestowitz

so the idea is, in the long run, get rid of http and browsers completely

schestowitz

This afternoon I work on leaving social control media

schestowitz

they all became a javascript mess

schestowitz

So I make my js-free alternative

http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/04/

schestowitz

Dec 03 15:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

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Dec 03 16:25

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: CNN reports that Obama, W, and Clinton are willing to take the Coronavirus vaccine on live TV.

Dec 03 16:26

DaemonFC[m]

Of course, who knows what they'd really be taking.

Dec 03 16:26

DaemonFC[m]

Might not be the vaccine at all. I don't think that a former president would be subjected to something where we really don't know what it does.

Dec 03 16:27

DaemonFC[m]

We don't. They admit that they have no idea what will happen to people 6 months after they take it, two years after they take it.

Dec 03 16:27

DaemonFC[m]

If this was a normal vaccine production process they wouldn't even be doing experiments on animals yet, much less millions of people.

Dec 03 16:28

schestowitz

marketeering

Dec 03 16:40

schestowitz

they also make the mistake of assuming people trust those folks

Dec 03 16:42

schestowitz

the people who reject the vaccine are likely not trusting ANY president

Dec 03 16:42

DaemonFC[m]

What's funny is that both my parents turned on George W. Bush after putting him in the White House twice.

Dec 03 16:52

DaemonFC[m]

So does he influence anyone?

Dec 03 16:52

DaemonFC[m]

If he had endorsed Biden it would have done harm to Biden.

Dec 03 16:52

DaemonFC[m]

He left office with a very low approval rating and it hasn't gotten much better since he left. In fact, the same people, like mom and dad, who voted for his wars and economic disaster are just off to the "shiny new thing" of Trump, who has caused even bigger disasters, but they'll never admit that they were wrong or that they enabled what would at least border on crimes against humanity.

Dec 03 16:54

DaemonFC[m]

Trump is trying to get as many doses of the vaccine out the door before he leaves as possible to "deny Biden any credit for it".

Dec 03 16:57

DaemonFC[m]

Well, we might have a vaccine after a year, but Trump doesn't deserve any credit for that.

Dec 03 16:58

DaemonFC[m]

Congress passed a spending bill and drug companies with lots of doctors and scientists worked around the clock. Trump did nothing except tell people who wore face masks and socially distanced that they were a bunch of pussies.

Dec 03 16:58

DaemonFC[m]

While continuing his super spreader rallies, killing his own voters.

Dec 03 17:00

DaemonFC[m]

I think that we haven't seen the half of it yet as far as the deaths, and they're going to continue being heavily stacked towards the far right because it's become a "Democrat thing" to try to protect yourself. All the Republicans are flying, refusing masks, having mass gatherings at church and whatnot.

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DaemonFC[m]

https://stallman.org/archives/2020-sep-dec.html#3_December_2020_(Gay_orgy_after_anti-gay_laws)

Dec 03 19:27

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2020: September - December Political Notes - Richard Stallman

Dec 03 19:27

*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nInmPrErHYMSaWwddFlvFzrg/message.txt >

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: 6

DaemonFC[m]

Err, ^

MinceR

it's the christian fundamentalist way

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: I've emulated something similar to RMS' notes

schestowitz

implemented hours ago

schestowitz

seeing that pleroma.site is down for nearly 4 days without explanation

http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/04/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

schestowitz

still work in progress, it'll improve

schestowitz

I'm getting off the social control media train

schestowitz

it's a very dodgy train that crashes a lot

schestowitz

RMSWasRight

schestowitz

Hosting your 'tweets' in your own site is the only way to go

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/trump-william-barr-frustration/index.html

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Trump frustrated with Barr after election comments but officials don't want AG fired, sources say - CNNPolitics

schestowitz

even if there's no "audience"

DaemonFC[m]

At this point, firing Barr would just end his term as Attorney General 48 days before it will end anyway.

DaemonFC[m]

So there's no point, except to be petty. So it may happen yet.

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: he'll be left with nothing but Duke

schestowitz

Even Limbaugh mocked him

psydroid

What about creating "social control media" only by linking from your own controlled media to others who control their own media?

Dec 03 19:32

psydroid

It's getting cheaper than ever to self-host

Dec 03 19:32

DaemonFC[m]

Überstupidführer Trump has clearly jumped the shark, but 73 million people voted for him, and now his brand of "politics" will be dominant even in a Republican Party without him.

Dec 03 19:35

DaemonFC[m]

QAnon and such.

Dec 03 19:35

DaemonFC[m]

I used to wonder about whether having states in charge of the federal elections was a good idea, but it seems like it may have been the only thing stopping Trump from issuing a flurry of executive orders and then who knows what was really going on in the "vote counting" rooms.

Dec 03 19:36

DaemonFC[m]

Lower party officials at the state level were not cooperative in helping him just outright steal the election.

Dec 03 19:37

DaemonFC[m]

They passed laws intending to nudge the election, but they weren't going to cooperate in some kind of a scheme to purportedly invalidate millions of votes from entire counties and appoint their own electors.

Dec 03 19:38

DaemonFC[m]

As a Democratic presidential candidate you have to overcome a huge mountain of Republican fraud against the voters and a system that was designed to give slave owners more say in national politics.

Dec 03 19:39

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Dec 03 19:42

search_social

well the democrats knew what was going on in the vote "counting" rooms cuz they staffed them and illegally ejected all the gop poll watchers

Dec 03 19:44

DaemonFC[m]

That's actually wrong and even the Republican election officials have debunked that.

Dec 03 19:51

DaemonFC[m]

The lawsuits had nothing to do with how much access the poll "watchers" were getting. It was about their "right" to breathe down the necks of people trying to count votes, during a viral pandemic, and to harass and intimidate them.

Dec 03 19:52

DaemonFC[m]

In fact, during the $3 million (from the Trump campaign) Wisconsin partial recount that increased Biden's lead, at least a few Trump "poll watchers" had to be escorted out by the police for physically attacking the poll workers.

Dec 03 19:53

DaemonFC[m]

The state officials said the Trump poll "watchers" were objecting to "every ballot" for Biden and "didn't have the slightest clue" about the law in Wisconsin or on what grounds they could object to something.

Dec 03 19:54

DaemonFC[m]

And many of these stories are the same in states where the Republicans have a trifecta in the state government and were absolutely horrified that they had to declare that Trump lost their state in a fair and secure election.

Dec 03 19:55

DaemonFC[m]

If anything, their lie about "fair election" was that they deliberately introduce problems with voting so as to suppress turnout in "certain areas", to the benefit of Republicans.

Dec 03 19:55

DaemonFC[m]

And they'd never admit that if the election wasn't rigged by them, Biden would have done much better and probably would have even picked up North Carolina.

Dec 03 19:56

search_social

rhinos aren't republicans

Dec 03 19:56

DaemonFC[m]

It's the party of incestuous rural idiots.

Dec 03 19:57

DaemonFC[m]

That's really all their appeal is now.

Dec 03 19:57

DaemonFC[m]

People with webbed feet who are living in a trailer park somewhere.

Dec 03 19:57

DaemonFC[m]

If they weren't so stupid they wouldn't have much trouble finding employment.

DaemonFC[m]

But Trump comes along and distills it down to "jobs being stolen by Mexicans".

search_social

i liked when all the dems who told people to learn to code got laid off from buzzfeed

DaemonFC[m]

Hell, if they weren't so lazy their chances of retaining employment would be better.

search_social

then they got twitter to ban "learn to code" for hate speech

DaemonFC[m]

Lazy, stupid, and strung out on drugs.

DaemonFC[m]

The areas Trump did well in are basically meth labs and opium dens.

Dec 03 19:59

DaemonFC[m]

Indiana has never had a problem with drugs and poverty like they do now.

Dec 03 19:59

DaemonFC[m]

All it took was the Republicans running the state for 16 years.

Dec 03 19:59

Ariadne

schestowitz: i don't think so

Dec 03 20:00

DaemonFC[m]

That's all the time they needed to churn out a bunch of kids who never learned anything in school who can't find employment and are either doing drugs or killing themselves.

Dec 03 20:00

DaemonFC[m]

You want to see what the Republicans can do for your state? 20 years ago, Indiana was middle class blue collar union jobs.

Dec 03 20:01

DaemonFC[m]

Nothing was falling apart.

Dec 03 20:01

DaemonFC[m]

If you actually go there now, it's like white Detroit.

Dec 03 20:01

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: Agriculture is big in the state because it just has so much land that nobody wants to live in.

Dec 03 20:02

DaemonFC[m]

Everyone who isn't on Social Security has fled the state looking for jobs that still pay something and a decent standard of living.

Dec 03 20:02

DaemonFC[m]

They can keep their unemployment low because everyone who graduates college, just about, ends up fleeing the state at some point.

Dec 03 20:03

DaemonFC[m]

Even with all of the religious crazies with their unproductive litters, the state hasn't managed to grow its population really in over 2 decades.

DaemonFC[m]

The jobs that are there are the closest thing you can get to a sweatshop in a US state.

DaemonFC[m]

Trump won it by 17 points this time, I think.

DaemonFC[m]

That's the kind of hellhole that voted for him twice.

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ftl

DaemonFC[m]

Illinois has structural problems, but what people forget was that the structure that gave us these problems was created by Republicans when Illinois was a red or purple state.

Dec 03 20:06

DaemonFC[m]

They're the ones that demanded the government structure we have under the 1970 constitution with the "16 layers of government" that they now complain about.

Dec 03 20:07

DaemonFC[m]

At the time, they were fine with that, even though it was no more efficient in 1970 than it is now.

Dec 03 20:07

DaemonFC[m]

it was seen as a place for Republican Party members to burrow and micromanage people's lives while they got versed in the ways of government and eventually moved up in the world.

Dec 03 20:08

DaemonFC[m]

That's what they like to do. Meddle.

Dec 03 20:08

DaemonFC[m]

They don't shrink government, unless those spots are currently occupied by Democratic Party members, like the at-large seats on the Indianapolis council that the Indiana state government abolished after giving on on flipping them back in a fair election.

Dec 03 20:09

DaemonFC[m]

That blew up on them big time though.

Dec 03 20:11

DaemonFC[m]

The new council is 20 Democrats to 5 Republicans because people saw that for what it was and turned out and picked off a bunch of Republicans from the district seats following that.

Dec 03 20:11

DaemonFC[m]

At the time, Democrats had 15 seats (including the 4 at-large) and Republicans had 14.

Dec 03 20:14

DaemonFC[m]

So the Republicans said "Oh, well, we'll just fix that and then it'll be 14 Republicans and 11 Democrats.".

Dec 03 20:14

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DaemonFC[m]

But then there were new elections that flipped so many seats that the mayor is now a Democrat and the Democrats outnumber the Republicans 20 to 5. It only took 5 years.

Dec 03 20:15

DaemonFC[m]

The power grab actually left the Republicans with so few members of city government that they can't do anything now.

Dec 03 20:16

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Dec 03 20:21

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: wanna read something?

Dec 03 20:34

schestowitz

Ariadne: that it's coming back?

Dec 03 20:35

MinceR

(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072166

Dec 03 20:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4772449)

Dec 03 20:37

schestowitz

Ariadne: can the bot for tuxmachines be pointer at its mastodon.technology account? I had a go at it several times today, but to no effect... I think it's possible to at least restore that stream for now?

Dec 03 20:44

schestowitz

My latest attempt it at /viera/viera/viera-mastodon.yaml

Dec 03 20:44

MinceR

Dec 03 20:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - FTL

Dec 03 20:51

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah.

Dec 03 20:53

DaemonFC[m]

Sorry, schestowitz Was busy figuring out how to use an ebay gift card from ibotta.

Dec 03 20:53

DaemonFC[m]

I just take my payouts as gift cards.

Dec 03 20:53

DaemonFC[m]

They say put it in your bank and just trust this clown startup with your banking credentials it's super secure. We're super cereal.

Dec 03 20:54

DaemonFC[m]

I don't think so.

Dec 03 20:54

DaemonFC[m]

I have no idea how some of these sellers get their merchandise so cheaply.

DaemonFC[m]

They beat Nintendo's list price for that game by $20 and free shipping?

http://techrights.org/2020/12/03/censored-epo-admin-council-report/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Censored EPO Publication: Staff Cannot Comment on the Administrative Council’s Meetings? | Techrights

schestowitz

anyway i know you're busy now

schestowitz

hopefully no typos

DaemonFC[m]

I'm fine now.

DaemonFC[m]

Had to update a bunch of ebay stuff. Haven't used it since Fox Lake.

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: What do you think about Snowden's accusation that the US State Department intentionally waited to invalidate his passport so that he'd be trapped in Russia and discredited when they finally did?

Ariadne

schestowitz: you have to ask the bot to actually subscribe

schestowitz

I tried

schestowitz

and it did nothing I could see

schestowitz

tired over feenode

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schestowitz

*tried

schestowitz

I read the manual

schestowitz

[13:39] <-> viera> follow https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tux Machines (@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology) - Mastodon for Tech Folks

DaemonFC[m]

"many of whom entirely unqualified"

DaemonFC[m]

are entirely unqualified

schestowitz

thanks, corrected

DaemonFC[m]

with French as the mother’s tongue, Campinos included

schestowitz

though I saw it before and deemed it acceptable

DaemonFC[m]

I would do quotation marks here and drop the comma

schestowitz

around mother’s tongue?

DaemonFC[m]

with "French-as-the-mother-tongue" Campinos included.

schestowitz

ah, ok

DaemonFC[m]

You're trying to call him out for that, right?

schestowitz

ah, no

schestowitz

you change the meaning of it

schestowitz

he's one of many

DaemonFC[m]

"Tonight we release this report in English"

schestowitz

" with "French-as-the-mother-tongue" cabal, Campinos included"

DaemonFC[m]

The hyperlink should just be "this report" and then I'd continue ", in English.:.

DaemonFC[m]

Errr

DaemonFC[m]

", in English."

schestowitz

done

schestowitz

added to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights

schestowitz

2.3 million views now

DaemonFC[m]

"It’s not new but now that"

DaemonFC[m]

It's not new, but now that

DaemonFC[m]

"This is nothing short of Mafia."

Dec 03 21:04

DaemonFC[m]

Nothing short of "a" mafia?

Dec 03 21:04

DaemonFC[m]

There's more than one mob, and the word should just be used generically.

schestowitz

I'd stay with current wording

schestowitz

corresponds to how workers call it

schestowitz

THE "Mafia"

schestowitz

They have other words for it

schestowitz

"Putin"

DaemonFC[m]

I'd say, figuratively speaking, patent trolls could be considered as similar to the Mafia or the Yakuza.

DaemonFC[m]

Especially the MPEG-LA.

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MPEG-LA

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | MPEG-LA - Techrights

DaemonFC[m]

They won't literally have you killed, but they'll destroy your business even though they produce nothing.

DaemonFC[m]

Nothing except junk standards based one well known algorithms.

DaemonFC[m]

*on

schestowitz

they go after gnu linux distros

schestowitz

community ones

schestowitz

to kill them off

schestowitz

shut them down

schestowitz

and not a word said

schestowitz

so it makes you understand why Microsoft sponsors these trolls

DaemonFC[m]

The algorithms that were described in things like MP3 and AAC were well known and obvious, and they still got patents.

DaemonFC[m]

AAC should have been possible to patent in 1997 for sure. Especially the LC profile.

DaemonFC[m]

*should not

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: It was pretty disgusting to see Thomson firing everyone who was actually making stuff and then resort to patent trolling.

Dec 03 21:12

DaemonFC[m]

And those people in the patent trolling division....most of that income was just licensing MP3 over and over and hiding the tax in software and hardware people kept buying.

Dec 03 21:13

DaemonFC[m]

Even stuff that wasn't going to be used to play any MP3s.

Dec 03 21:13

DaemonFC[m]

They really loved MP3. Not as a great technology, but as a way to shake people down for trying to fit music in cramped storage devices.

Dec 03 21:14

DaemonFC[m]

Apple and the RIAA were behind switching their iPods to flash memory way before it was ready.

Dec 03 21:14

DaemonFC[m]

Not only did it mean they were practically useless for storing lossless music, but you couldn't even store very many lossy files, and unlike other MP3 players, they tried to obfuscate the protocol so you wouldn't just plug them into your friend's computer and upload all your music so they could have a copy too.

Dec 03 21:15

DaemonFC[m]

Then they used "watermarkings" on their iTunes store after they removed DRM, so that they could set people up for lawsuits if the RIAA wanted to figure out who was behind a file that made its way to a sharing service.

Dec 03 21:16

DaemonFC[m]

That lasted about a decade and then DRM came back. Same thing people complained about is now welcomed with open arms as "streaming".

Dec 03 21:17

DaemonFC[m]

It wasn't surrender. Like so many things, it was a temporary cease-fire that was to their advantage while they figured out a better way to press forward with their attack.

Dec 03 21:17

DaemonFC[m]

That's how I see this Microsoft loves Linux thing.

Dec 03 21:18

DaemonFC[m]

They've temporarily called the dogs off so that people will welcome them as liberators.

Dec 03 21:18

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: It can't be a coincidence that TechRepublic wrote a very long article yesterday called "Microsoft loves Linux"

Dec 03 21:18

schestowitz

I saw that

schestowitz

it's not an article

schestowitz

it's a Mcirosoft mole

schestowitz

Mary

schestowitz

we wrote about her

DaemonFC[m]

It contained nothing substantive, at all, and nothing at all but fawning over Microsoft-isms and their takeovers of open source.

schestowitz

ignore, move on

schestowitz

dont' click

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: The part about WSL2 being installed causing laptop power management issues might be worth throwing out there in passing if you get an opportunity.

schestowitz

never mind

schestowitz

move on

schestowitz

don't want to feed these plants in media

DaemonFC[m]

You know, not only is is a poor takeover attempt but they even manage to break Windows 10, again, with their own takeover attempt.

schestowitz

techrepublic is cbs

schestowitz

same as zdnet

DaemonFC[m]

*it

schestowitz

they have as clients those companies

Dec 03 21:21

schestowitz

Dec 03 21:21

DaemonFC[m]

I think it's worth pointing out that they're so incompetent that they've even bungled the code they're pitching as a Linux substitute to the point where it causes the entire laptop to malfunction until you back it out.

DaemonFC[m]

That's a big haha.

schestowitz

I'd rather not

schestowitz

if it mentions WSL

schestowitz

any mention of it helps them

schestowitz

and it's a misnomer, too

schestowitz

Phoronix discredits itself by mentioning it

schestowitz

I noticed it mostly stopped

schestowitz

I kept asking Michael to

schestowitz

but those moles still have the official Ubuntu blog

schestowitz

for their WSL spam

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, the interesting part here is that Lenovo only certifies Ubuntu, RHEL, and sometimes Fedora.

Dec 03 21:25

DaemonFC[m]

All distributions that are now basically satellite states for Microsoft in their new Cold War on Linux.

Dec 03 21:25

DaemonFC[m]

Speaking of which, mjg59went from Canonical to Red Hat.

Dec 03 21:25

schestowitz

he is in Google now

Dec 03 21:26

mjg59

I was never at Canonical

Dec 03 21:26

DaemonFC[m]

So it's interesting that he bothered to turn up here. Ostensibly to accuse you of being a rape supporter, which should be incredibly beneath someone, and disingenuous at that.

Dec 03 21:26

schestowitz

Google employed Andy Rubin

schestowitz

who asked for a blow job from his 'inferior'

schestowitz

I don't think that's even a part he'd dispute

DaemonFC[m]

What Ubuntu and Red Hat are now are basically what East Germany was to the Soviet Union.

schestowitz

his ex wife makes tall claims to weaonise the media, but the guy is part of the ugly side of Google

schestowitz

Google is a spy agency

schestowitz

a for-profit one

DaemonFC[m]

It's just a total coincidence that as the Soviet Union collapsed and couldn't continue injecting the puppet state with subsidies, that they gave up and disbanded their "sovereign state".

schestowitz

that works through contracts

schestowitz

and grift

schestowitz

lots of defence budget for decades now

schestowitz

it's strategic for "full-spectrum dominance"

DaemonFC[m]

And I think the same will eventually happen with some of these companies that are working closely with Microsoft now, because that's always what does happen when Microsoft is finished with their "partners".

schestowitz

The schemes that drive up insane Murica close to 30,000 BILLION dollars in debt

schestowitz

just trying hard to cling to their empire

schestowitz

now full of tent cities, riots, and qanon loons (coz the head stops working)

Dec 03 21:29

schestowitz

I'd never let people from ibm, google and microsoft lecture us on ethics

Dec 03 21:30

schestowitz

I'd say, mind your own "fucking business"... and mean fucking LITERALLY

Dec 03 21:31

schestowitz

Gates employs lots of serious perverts and befriends child traffickers

Dec 03 21:31

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, you know, I'd be less polite.

Dec 03 21:31

DaemonFC[m]

I'd say hey mjg59 , aren't you the people turning over search, email, and GDrive data through PRISM to an unconstitutional mass spying program?

Dec 03 21:32

DaemonFC[m]

How much damage has that done to formerly free countries when Google gives their data to be used against them in secret courts with gag orders?

Dec 03 21:32

DaemonFC[m]

Also, is that why you fuck around with people on VPNs so much unless they log in and identify themselves?

Dec 03 21:33

DaemonFC[m]

And what gives you the goddamned right to criticize anyone from that platform?

Dec 03 21:33

DaemonFC[m]

Your company gets people black bagged and murdered by states like Communist China.

DaemonFC[m]

You have no high ground.

schestowitz

he knows

schestowitz

so he won't reply

schestowitz

ok, ok..

schestowitz

but i'd say

schestowitz

"wanna be ethical?"

schestowitz

Start by looking for a job that's ethics

schestowitz

or by working for ethical people

schestowitz

chanelling the talent into something positibve

DaemonFC[m]

The US DoJ complaint against Google doesn't even seek to remedy any of those problems.

schestowitz

can do far more good than some words in "tweets"

DaemonFC[m]

It just says they need to be carved up to make way for Microsoft to expand.

DaemonFC[m]

And that's obviously not any better.

mjg59

I'm with the people making it as hard as possible for people's data to be stolen

schestowitz

hahaha

schestowitz

in Google

schestowitz

good one

schestowitz

let me get beer

DaemonFC[m]

That would be by not giving it to Google, for damned sure.

schestowitz

like the "good people" in the army

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schestowitz

"join the army, change it from the inside!"

schestowitz

"Talk to widows after we kill their families with bombs :-)"

DaemonFC[m]

Which comedian was it that said that the government destroyed the economy so that they could send the recruiters into school not having to offer much of anything, really, at all?

DaemonFC[m]

"Hungry? Need a warm bed? There's a place for you in the army!"

schestowitz

mjg59: the fact is, people's data is stoken the moment google grabs it

DaemonFC[m]

Carlin?

schestowitz

Google just wants to keep a monopoly on this stolen data

schestowitz

to monetise it

schestowitz

and to pass it on to the army

schestowitz

to better bomb people

schestowitz

so keep on doing that "good job"

Dec 03 21:38

DaemonFC[m]

It's not enough for Google that Android itself is a platform for their adtech and spyware.

Dec 03 21:38

DaemonFC[m]

They shove "telemetry binaries" into every application in the Play Store.

schestowitz

240mb of traffic overnight, phoning mama ship

DaemonFC[m]

So, even if it's a Free Software program, those get jammed in.

schestowitz

with all pertinent movement details and more

DaemonFC[m]

Unless you get it from F-Droid.

schestowitz

for the us army to profile billions of people

schestowitz

even communist china has not gone that far (yet)

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, then they have this COVID-19 spyware that popped up in firmware for Android and iOS that nobody requested.

mjg59

Binaries uploaded to the Play Store aren't modified

schestowitz

they are wired to other modules

mjg59

Otherwise you wouldn't be able to verify that Signal was signed with their key

schestowitz

ones that Google controls

schestowitz

Signal is a joke

DaemonFC[m]

I do wonder if that does shit on its own or if you have to have an app that hooks into it. If so, how long before the government foists those apps on you by turning some legit software into a Trojan?

schestowitz

developed on Microsoft servers, needs a 'phone' number, wikileaks showed it's bypassed by the CI

schestowitz

CIA

DaemonFC[m]

Illinois Governor Pritzker was saying that he was looking at "COVID-19 apps" but was frustrated that 80% of people would never voluntarily cooperate.

DaemonFC[m]

So that's usually the point where they "involuntarily cooperate" somehow.

schestowitz

covidsafe in australia passed the data to spies

DaemonFC[m]

And Google has set up at least the framework.

schestowitz

and idiots who installed it are the REAL "covidiots"

DaemonFC[m]

I would never knowingly install something like that.

Dec 03 21:42

DaemonFC[m]

Illinois has "Contact Tracers". Just another Democrat scam to give make work to union assholes who will funnel the money into their campaign coffers...... I hope.

Dec 03 21:42

DaemonFC[m]

But probably something more malicious.

Dec 03 21:43

schestowitz

time will tell

Dec 03 21:44

schestowitz

once you give the data, it's gone

Dec 03 21:44

schestowitz

you cannot 'have it back'

Dec 03 21:44

schestowitz

and they study your walking routes, who you meet etc.

schestowitz

on a long-term basis

schestowitz

those habits don't change much over the years

schestowitz

"we know where to find you"

schestowitz

"we know what you did last summer"

schestowitz

Google is "market leader" in this

schestowitz

worldwide

mjg59

Literally the entire point of the contact tracing infrastructure is that it doesn't report your location to anyone

Dec 03 21:46

DaemonFC[m]

Google does track and store your phone's movements.

DaemonFC[m]

That's how they caught that dumb street thug who robbed me at gunpoint and was too stupid to turn off (or not steal) the phone.

mjg59

If you enable that in location services, sure

DaemonFC[m]

It's on by default.

mjg59

But the contact tracing infrastructure doesn't do that

DaemonFC[m]

This is what's wrong with the entitlement mentality of BLM and their enablers.

Dec 03 21:48

DaemonFC[m]

They could have made $15 an hour at McDonalds, and instead they chose to rob a guy of an old Android phone that would get them $100 maybe, to split three ways, and it tracked them all the way back to their hive and they got two years of house arrest and each one got a fine that was 50 times more than the phone was worth.

Dec 03 21:49

DaemonFC[m]

You don't want to work. There's some guy you can rob.

Dec 03 21:49

DaemonFC[m]

You can torch that immigrant's gas station after stealing all his stuff, for the second time in the same summer, and force him out of Chicago.

Dec 03 21:49

DaemonFC[m]

You can declare that you've turned people's property that they worked for in a Seattle neighborhood into a commune.

Dec 03 21:50

DaemonFC[m]

And there's a bunch of these hippy dippy assholes like Garrett who get into Google and have this doublethink.

Dec 03 21:50

DaemonFC[m]

Where they say that and help the regime they claim they don't like.

Dec 03 21:50

DaemonFC[m]

At the same time.

Dec 03 21:51

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe if mjg59 is really progressive he'll lobby Google to quit spying on people. After all, they would have gotten away with it too had the phone not been leaking data like a sieve.

Dec 03 21:52

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 03 21:52

DaemonFC[m]

Just throwing that out there. Planting seeds.

Dec 03 21:52

DaemonFC[m]

Those poor immigrants in Chicago, trapped between fire and flood.

Dec 03 21:53

DaemonFC[m]

Trump and his "shithole countries" and the Gimmedat Party.

Dec 03 21:53

mjg59

What makes you think I'm not doing that?

Dec 03 21:55

DaemonFC[m]

Obviously, that's been going well because my latest phone has everything the last one did plus COVID spyware.

DaemonFC[m]

Then there's that "Bluetooth LE is on even when the icon says bluetooth is off" stuff.

DaemonFC[m]

But you know that, don't you?

schestowitz

Google workers benefit from that ploy

schestowitz

they even make APIs for it

schestowitz

it's a global power grab

schestowitz

akin to "Smart cities"

schestowitz

and that data travels far

DaemonFC[m]

Executives are always assholes, even when they ruin the company they're the "smartest person ever".

schestowitz

so be suspicious of ANY security poser who defends such a thing

mjg59

The covid stuff literally does not upload data anywhere

DaemonFC[m]

That Gael Duval, was that his name?

DaemonFC[m]

Anyway, ruined Mandriva with bad business deals and not finding a business model that worked.

DaemonFC[m]

Blamed the French government for forcing it into bankruptcy, stopping him from squandering money that he owed as severance pay to the employees.

schestowitz

[21:57] <mjg59> The covid stuff literally does not upload data anywhere

schestowitz

it does

DaemonFC[m]

Had they not seized it, it would not have saved the company.

mjg59

No, it doesn't

schestowitz

inc. tower erc.

DaemonFC[m]

That's the point of involuntary bankruptcy.

schestowitz

stop lying

schestowitz

it makes you look bad

mjg59

The Australian covid tracing app may do so

mjg59

The Apple/Google framework doesn't

schestowitz

lol

schestowitz

change goalposts again

mjg59

Given that we're talking about Google, obviously I'm talking about the one that Google's involved in

mjg59

The apps that use that framework do not report any location data

smnthermes

> ‎[18:58:00] ‎DaemonFC[m]‎: Anyway, ruined Mandriva with bad business deals and not finding a business model that worked.

smnthermes

There's also his current /e/ project

mjg59

Your phone generates a random identifier and periodically rotates it

mjg59

You record identifiers that you're near

mjg59

If someone is diagnosed as being positive, they can choose to upload the identifiers that their phone used

mjg59

Other phones then download those identifiers and see whether they match the ones they saw

mjg59

If so, they alert you that you may have come in contact with someone who tested positive and should get tested

https://ewwlo.void.partidopirata.com.ar/

smnthermes

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ewwlo.void.partidopirata.com.ar | ewwlo

mjg59

No location data is kept

mjg59

The only time you ever upload something is when you explicitly choose to share the fact that you tested positive

mjg59

Some governments chose to implement something that doesn't preserve privacy

Dec 03 22:02

mjg59

It's completely reasonable to criticise them for that

Dec 03 22:03

mjg59

But the stuff that's being rolled out in the US and the UK doesn't do that

Dec 03 22:03

DaemonFC[m]

I'm not cooperating with anyone.

Dec 03 22:03

DaemonFC[m]

I'm not going to take a COVID test.

Dec 03 22:04

DaemonFC[m]

I've told my spouse, and we agreed, no tests.

Dec 03 22:04

DaemonFC[m]

Also, we're probably going to wait and see what this vaccine actually does to people.

Dec 03 22:04

DaemonFC[m]

Given that they can't make it fast enough anyway, we'll probably see what it does to the people who got it in December or January at least through May or June before it's available anyway.

DaemonFC[m]

So it may not even be a choice.

DaemonFC[m]

But, I don't trust anything that comes out of USCIS.

DaemonFC[m]

Especially not under this administration.

DaemonFC[m]

They might say they wouldn't hold positive COVID against an immigrant today, but they won't feel bound by that tomorrow.

DaemonFC[m]

They're liars. They've proven repeatedly that nothing they say will bind them later whether it was the truth or not.

Dec 03 22:06

DaemonFC[m]

I'm growing more skeptical of the government by the minute on this whole thing.

Dec 03 22:06

DaemonFC[m]

And to see anything pop up in my phone that says COVID-19 in the firmware, it just smells of spyware.

Dec 03 22:07

DaemonFC[m]

No user was asked if they wanted this framework and no user can remove it.

Dec 03 22:07

mjg59

It does nothing unless you enable it

Dec 03 22:07

schestowitz

mjg59: on a more productive note

schestowitz

let's discuss LF

DaemonFC[m]

mjg59: So, you know, I was looking around on the internet regarding probationers last year.

schestowitz

Seems like the new #LinuxFoundation 2020 annual report was not, FOR A CHANGE, made on a “MAC” with #proprietarySoftware but it’s looking to me like they merely obfuscated the metadata to avert PR catastrophe

schestowitz

I never heard/read about a 100-page annual report generator running on Sharp Zaurus XR-5000 (Maemo5) Edition (in 2020!) with Linux kernel 0.12.1 for Workgroups. What is #LinuxFoundation hiding?

schestowitz

Reminder: #linuxfoundation operates at a loss because Zemlin and “the boys” are grifting, milking away the “LINUX” brand http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/

DaemonFC[m]

Many people say they got caught going out of state without permission because Google or their carrier will just hand over their location history.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While ‘His’ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | Techrights

https://ircz.de/p/20081541

MinceR

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4826052)

schestowitz

is zelin still "rocking an hypePad", mjg59

schestowitz

Jim zemlin

mjg59

Probably

mjg59

He was last time I saw him

schestowitz

they make their reports on Macs

schestowitz

no way they made this one on a Sharp Zaurus

schestowitz

it's 100 pages long

schestowitz

with graphics and all

DaemonFC[m]

So you can, you know, lie, you can have people refuse to talk, you can avoid using credit cards while you're there, but your phone will just rat you out and maybe land you in jail.

schestowitz

they're trolling people who check meta

DaemonFC[m]

Turn it off and put it in one of those faraday boxes that comes with a toll road pass, I suppose?

Dec 03 22:10

DaemonFC[m]

I'm off probation now anyway, and I had permission (standing permission) from the court to be there, but I still turned my phone off and put it in the box and paid cash while I was there.

Dec 03 22:10

DaemonFC[m]

There's times when I want to discuss things, and I still power the phones off and go in the other room and close the door.

Ariadne

what

DaemonFC[m]

Because you jut can't trust the device.

Ariadne

what is this report with fake metadata

schestowitz

Ariadne: wait..

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2020/12/download-the-2020-linux-foundation-annual-report/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org | Download the 2020 Linux Foundation Annual Report - The Linux Foundation

schestowitz

also mentioned in https://lwn.net/Articles/838871/rss

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation 2020 annual report [LWN.net]

schestowitz

see techrights.org/2020/08/30/how-to-make-unneeded-scandal-with-adobe-indesign/

DaemonFC[m]

I discussed with my attorney (before I got permission to leave Illinois on bail) that John was threatening to make false police reports to get me in trouble and the situation was becoming untenable.

see http://techrights.org/2020/08/30/how-to-make-unneeded-scandal-with-adobe-indesign/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation is Not Even Using Linux to Prepare and Publish the Linux Kernel History Report | Techrights

http://techrights.org/2020/09/04/derek-taylor-to-lf/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Video From Derek Taylor: The Linux Foundation Doesn’t Use Linux to Create Reports | Techrights

DaemonFC[m]

He told me he couldn't advise me to leave the state but "They're not tracking your phone.". I stopped him right there and said, "Oh but they are, even if you haven't done anything wrong, they are.".

Ariadne

who cares if Apache Foundation 2.0 made their reports on a mac anyway

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: you are violating many CoCs by making the poor lad uncomfortable about being a slave of Google

superkuh

Yes. Base station multilateration is stored in the USA for 2-5 years minimum based on telco.

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: let's talk about LF instead

Ariadne

given that kwin keeps fucking up on me, i might go back to using a mac for my desktop needs tbh

superkuh

With modern clocks it's positioning accuracy is well under 100m.

schestowitz

he knows some people there better than us, DaemonFC[m]

DaemonFC[m]

So if you have any terribly dark secrets, I suggest you file them somewhere cold and dark in your own head and never talk about it, or at least ditch the phones somewhere first.

schestowitz

Ariadne: that would be a massive regression

DaemonFC[m]

<superkuh "With modern clocks it's position"> I had to explain clock drift to Mandy.

Ariadne

would it?

schestowitz

yeah

schestowitz

debian with kwin is perfect on this machine

schestowitz

maybe something with the gpu drivers

Ariadne

<pdf:Producer>Linux kernel 0.12.1 for Workgroups</pdf:Producer>

Ariadne

hahaha

DaemonFC[m]

Eh, Kubuntu is pretty similar, obviously.

schestowitz

trolling

DaemonFC[m]

Easier to install.

schestowitz

maybe I'll write something about it later

smnthermes

There are other options than KWin, so

DaemonFC[m]

Sometimes I think certain distributions are trying to go out of their way to be unusable out of the box.

DaemonFC[m]

That's how I felt about Squeeze.

schestowitz

With Apple you get one choice

MinceR

is that why they have cancerd?

schestowitz

apps list sent to Apple

Ariadne

smnthermes: yes, but i prefer kwin

schestowitz

with IDs over the network

schestowitz

it'll get only worse over time

schestowitz

the lock-in also

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Microsoft and Apple both have their OS report when you launch an application, on the default settings.

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft claims Basic Telemetry doesn't do that. Who knows?

schestowitz

'life was easier when I had chains in the barn with food available for free," said the slave

Ariadne

the OS is not reporting anything, but checking for codesigning certificate revocation

schestowitz

(apple user)

schestowitz

Ariadne: that ought not be done at that level

Ariadne

while that could be datamined, i find it unlikely

schestowitz

apple babysitting, while working for/with nsa

schestowitz

Ariadne: wait until there's war

schestowitz

or when govs make fatal "lists"

schestowitz

they like "big data"

DaemonFC[m]

mjg59: I just think it's funny that if you stare into someone's window you can go to jail for a year as a peeping tom.

Ariadne

if there is war, the NSA will just make a rootkit

DaemonFC[m]

But your company makes software that's a million times worse. Gets rewarded.

schestowitz

Ariadne: you go offiline or there are national firewalls

Ariadne

its more efficient, really

schestowitz

that's no excuse for using "mac"

schestowitz

defeatism gets us nowhere

schestowitz

"privacy is dead", "let's just use Windows"

schestowitz

"security is impossible"... so "I have nothing to hide"

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: I think someone was complaining about TomTom sending GPS data about them to the company when they checked for updates some years ago.

DaemonFC[m]

I said, "So it's a Peeping TomTom.".

MinceR

in general, the more successful a criminal is, they more safe they are from retribution

MinceR

and the most successful ones run countries, megacorporations and/or cults

schestowitz

"i can't check source code", so it's "just as bad as binary blobs"

schestowitz

"open source is now Microsoft"... so "let;'s get on with the show"

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, there was a high school principle who was using a RAT on some Windows laptops issued to students.

schestowitz

Ariadne: techrights isn't defeatist

schestowitz

we actually progress towards goals

DaemonFC[m]

He was recording them naked at home.

schestowitz

like eliminating swpats

Ariadne

schestowitz: by using a client OS that does not piss me off, i can produce more free software in my areas of expertise

schestowitz

which is doable, over the long run (decades)

DaemonFC[m]

There was very little coverage of why that's even possible.

Ariadne

my expertise does not include "building a desktop environment"

schestowitz

no need to build it

schestowitz

I never did

Ariadne

by building, i mean writing one

Ariadne

that fits my opinions

schestowitz

you can if you wish to

schestowitz

or modify an existing one

Ariadne

yes, i do not wish to, because it is not a good use of my time

schestowitz

I used to make my own winamp and firefox themes

DaemonFC[m]

There is a certain poetic justice of Ring doorbells burning people's houses down.

schestowitz

I was pissed off when newer versions broke these

DaemonFC[m]

The only reason they got one to begin with is because of paranoia of losing all the shit in their house.

MinceR

03 232225 < Ariadne> my expertise does not include "building a desktop environment"

MinceR

neither does apple's :>

MinceR

or microsoft's

DaemonFC[m]

They have to spend lots of money to record the guy from Amazon dropping off this weeks crap.

DaemonFC[m]

And on the off chance someone steals the packages and the doorbell records it, the police don't work the case anyway.

MinceR

well, it sort of works

MinceR

if it burns down, you can be sure nobody took it

MinceR

or can take it anymore

DaemonFC[m]

Well, they could take the ashes. Those would be the residue from the matter to energy conversion.

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR

DaemonFC[m]

Bring a ziploc bag.

Dec 03 22:26

MinceR

maybe an industrial vacuum cleaner with a really big bag

Dec 03 22:26

Ariadne

anyway, macs piss me off for other reasons

Ariadne

computers suck, more goats

Ariadne

thats the ticket

MinceR

MinceR

just wait until people write software for goat nervous systems

DaemonFC[m]

Apple is pushing right-wing politics on people using the nudge method.

MinceR

or maybe goat cells

MinceR

(operating on DNA and/or RNA)

DaemonFC[m]

There was even the thing where women ask Siri where an abortion clinic is and it routes them to a Crisis Pregnancy Center instead.

MinceR

lol

DaemonFC[m]

"Well, in my 8 years of medical school, GOD COMMANDS YOU TO KEEP THE BABY! YOU MURDERER!"

Dec 03 22:29

DaemonFC[m]

Recalculating....

Dec 03 22:30

DaemonFC[m]

Anyway, Lenovo says this new laptop will run Ubuntu just fine so we'll see if it does or if I'm just stepping in shit again.

Dec 03 22:31

DaemonFC[m]

It's not even like you can blame this laptop's quirks and bugs on Linux, though mjg59 tried.

Dec 03 22:32

DaemonFC[m]

Windows got worse power management and the "touchpad stops working until you reboot, not always but sometimes, if you let it go to sleep"...

Dec 03 22:32

DaemonFC[m]

So I ended up configuring KDE to turn the screen off and lock it when the lid is shut.

Dec 03 22:32

DaemonFC[m]

Not ideal, but hey. uEFI is soooooooo much better than BIOS that it has all the same sorts of problems and more.

Dec 03 22:33

Ariadne

like i said, computers suck, lets go raise goats

Dec 03 22:34

DaemonFC[m]

What we actually need to do is go burn Google down and tell the DoJ thanks for playing but we solved the problem.

MinceR

that won't solve the problem

DaemonFC[m]

But that's an aside, I guess.

Ariadne

that wont solve the problem

Ariadne

there will just be google 2.0

MinceR

we'd also need to burn down microshit, crApple, ibm, intel and probably a bunch of others too

Ariadne

google fired a high profile researcher yesterday for complaining about their treatment

DaemonFC[m]

I don't use most Google stuff because they have a tendency to get you hooked on something and then just drop it anyway.

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft found another way to pressure people to use Edge.

DaemonFC[m]

They removed the ebook reader app and now when you open one up, it launches Edge.

MinceR

well, they probably put a lot of work into it

Ariadne

isnt edge literally

Ariadne

just chrome

MinceR

not exactly

Ariadne

except s/google/microsoft/

MinceR

it's chrome plus microshit malware

DaemonFC[m]

They scooped out Google's spyware and put theirs in.

MinceR

and probably microshit bugs

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: It had an ebook reader?

Ariadne

oh ok

Ariadne

so its malware on malware

MinceR

after all, it comes from a corporation that could never get anything to work right

Ariadne

MS-DOS worked pretty ok

XRevan86

Do I understand it right than even after Edge became a stock Chromium browser, EdgeDeflector is still a useful thing to have?

Ariadne

eerything since then has been a disaster

DaemonFC[m]

Especially DoubleSpace.

DaemonFC[m]

That worked great.

MinceR

ms-dos didn't do much and was mostly just stolen code

Dec 03 22:39

MinceR

but yeah, they should try the ms-dos approach again

Dec 03 22:39

MinceR

"you can't fuck it up if you don't attempt it in the first place"

Dec 03 22:39

Ariadne

my xbox one series s seems to work ok

Ariadne

(i consider that an appliance, not a computer)

MinceR

good for you

MinceR

i guess they managed to improve on their 54% hardware failure rate after a few generations, then

schestowitz

xbox is a spying box

schestowitz

since almost a decade back

schestowitz

they should be verboten in living rooms

DaemonFC[m]

The Playstation 5 is having its own red ring of death problem already.

schestowitz

without consent from all who are in the house

schestowitz

inc. guests

Ariadne

i don't have the microphone connected

DaemonFC[m]

If you buy a first generation console you get all of the problems.

MinceR

don't "smart" tv-s spy on people anyway? :>

schestowitz

they'll come built in soon P;-)

DaemonFC[m]

<MinceR "i guess they managed to improve "> 54% seems low.

schestowitz

MinceR: with cameras, too

Ariadne

i also don't have the kinect thing

schestowitz

the TV watches YOU

DaemonFC[m]

Considering that Microsoft replaced 8 of them for me.

MinceR

lol

Ariadne

DaemonFC[m]: thats why i got the series s instead of the ps56

Ariadne

ps5*

DaemonFC[m]

I sold the 9th one with all my games before it broke down too.

Dec 03 22:42

Ariadne

well also the ps5 just looks stupid

Dec 03 22:42

Ariadne

software freedom is useful to me on devices i intend to actually use for actual work. video game console, i couldn't care less

Dec 03 22:43

schestowitz

not yet

schestowitz

those are still computers

schestowitz

just ones you control even LESS

schestowitz

in that regard, most have become more dangerous

schestowitz

they're also harder to study

XRevan86

Ariadne: So, what about a smartphone? :)

schestowitz

because of DRM and restrictions at many levels

schestowitz

but that's a debate for another time... :-)

XRevan86

Does that count as a device for any kind of "actual work"?

Ariadne

schestowitz: yes, they are computers, which i consider to be equivalent to a refrigerator

psydroid

lack of DRM is a feature :)

Ariadne

if you tinker with your refrigerator you wind up huffing freon and dying

Ariadne

thusly i have no interest to tinker with it

Ariadne

the win-lose math doesn't add up

search_social

Ariadne: when they push the software update that disables your refrigerator you will think differently

MinceR

i thought they replaced freon already

*XRevan86 suspects that tinkering with the "smart" bit of a refrigerator doesn't affect freon.

Ariadne

search_social: my refrigerator is not connected to any network and has no IoT functionality

MinceR

if your refrigerator is "smart" enough, it doesn't even need an update to stop working, just a dead server or a dead Internet connection :>

search_social

well that's what i'm saying

search_social

you want to keep it that way

search_social

but the refrigerator companies do not

Ariadne

and if microsoft pushes a software update to my xbox bricking it, i sue microsoft

search_social

they want the refrigerators connected to the internet 24/7

psydroid

<MinceR "and probably microshit bugs"> nanoshits?

schestowitz

[22:45] <Ariadne> schestowitz: yes, they are computers, which i consider to be equivalent to a refrigerator

search_social

and soon those are the only kinds of refrigerators that will be for sale

MinceR

psydroid: :)

schestowitz

Does your refrigerator have software you can install and microphone?

XRevan86

Ariadne: Um, they could change the servers, and you'll be left with no Games for Windows.

schestowitz

also, is your refrigerator controlled by Microsoft?

search_social

not yet

schestowitz

or by another country that spies on everything?

search_social

but it's getting there

Ariadne

mine does not, but some do exist

MinceR

is your refrigerator running?

Ariadne

mine is a bog standard $399 samsung one

schestowitz

[22:47] <Ariadne> and if microsoft pushes a software update to my xbox bricking it, i sue microsoft

Ariadne

it can dispense ice

schestowitz

you sue laywers?

XRevan86

It's not like they're contractually obligated to keep the "server-side" always running.

schestowitz

disguised as compnay?

MinceR

sure you can

schestowitz

it was literally created and founded by lawyers

MinceR

just don't expect to win

Ariadne

schestowitz: at least in the US, that would be an open and shut case

MinceR

especially when they own a big chunk of the country you're in

schestowitz

if your time is worthless

search_social

Ariadne: have you ever sued a large company before

Ariadne

when sony removed OtherOS from the PS3, they were forced to pay out

schestowitz

best case scenario you get some coupon

schestowitz

after days wasted

schestowitz

[22:49] <Ariadne> when sony removed OtherOS from the PS3, they were forced to pay out

schestowitz

LOL

schestowitz

after a decade

schestowitz

like dozens of bucks?

schestowitz

for those who wasted time applying?

schestowitz

come on

Ariadne

schestowitz: well, i've yet to receive a software update bricking any gaming console i've ever owned

schestowitz

not the point

schestowitz

I was not talking about bricking

Ariadne

it kind of is the point

schestowitz

look what msft did to drmed books

schestowitz

all of them dead

schestowitz

because they turned off a server

schestowitz

for financial reasons

Ariadne

that is why i buy disc copies of my games

schestowitz

MSFT laid off many people months go

Ariadne

and do not use those digital stores

schestowitz

even azure staff

schestowitz

azure is a failure

schestowitz

xbox lost billions... maybe still does (I no longer follow)

Ariadne

(well also, because satellite internet is heavily quotaed and downloading a single game would max that quota out)

schestowitz

they're often just subsidised by the US taxpayers

schestowitz

they don't care about you

schestowitz

or 'your' xbox

Ariadne

i'm not asking them t

Ariadne

Ariadne

schestowitz

by the way, do you have the privs to ask viera to follow taxmachines@mastodon?

Ariadne

some of those games are like 200gb downloads now

Ariadne

haha

Ariadne

i don't

schestowitz

it says kaniina and I are authorised

Ariadne

becausei can't auth to viera

Ariadne

because pleroma.site is down

schestowitz

but I looked at the code and could not figure out why it's not reacting

Ariadne

because you cant auth to the bot

schestowitz

ah, ok, let's hope href is just gonna come back

MinceR

lol @ taxmachines

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Ru-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0.ogg

XRevan86

schestowitz

MinceR: they compute your taxes

MinceR

they force you to pay taxes

schestowitz

unlike IBM

Ariadne

anyway

schestowitz

Ariadne: meanwhile I made a static, js-free page to archive my posts

Ariadne

if there were a libre console with the actual games i wanted to play on it, which took disc media, i would buy that instead

schestowitz

except TM's

schestowitz

Steam Machines were close, but DRM...

schestowitz

and Debian based to run their blob

MinceR

and cancerd

schestowitz

with DRM

schestowitz

MinceR: cancerDebian

schestowitz

BTW

Ariadne

i looked into steam machines

XRevan86

Steam Machines is practically a PC.

schestowitz

they have just lost bdale

Ariadne

but a lot of titles were not ported to linux yet

https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19588646

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Bdale Garbee: Shifting Emphasis • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145049

MinceR

what is the significance of losing bdale?

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | Bdale Garbee: Shifting Emphasis | Tux Machines

schestowitz

very old dev

schestowitz

like lars

schestowitz

since the mid 90s

schestowitz

both left

schestowitz

maybe mccintyre is next

MinceR

whose side are they on?

XRevan86

Ariadne could just assemble another PC, maybe install Шindows on it and it'd still be more flexible of a choice than xbox.

Ariadne

XRevan86: that requires doing work

MinceR

i do have a dual-booting gaming laptop i only use for gaming :>

schestowitz

XRevan86: you forked Windows

XRevan86

Ariadne: Not a lot.

Ariadne

anyway i am considering building a windows machine for that purpose

Ariadne

some sort of ryzen build

Ariadne

but at 249$ the xbox is ok for right now

XRevan86

schestowitz: pitch-forked?

Ariadne

i rather wait until i move to EU to build an htpc

Ariadne

maybe i will buy a mac

Ariadne

and make 100 page reports

Ariadne

about my Apache Foundation 2.0

Ariadne

and set the creator field to "Linux for Workgroups 0.1.2"

Ariadne

or whatever it was

XRevan86

Ariadne: It'd be perfect to show up on a Linux-con or something :)

XRevan86

and still blend-in with the crowd

Ariadne

i have more sense than to give a talk about FOSS using a mac to present with

Ariadne

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=LElnMnN5Kao&t=283

XRevan86

this reminds me: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/1530233

Dec 03 23:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux 3.11 Officially Named "Linux For Workgroups" - Slashdot

Dec 03 23:00

smnthermes

> ‎[19:55:33] ‎schestowitz‎: XRevan86: you forked Windows

Dec 03 23:02

smnthermes

Is it true, or is it like John Best owning the United States?

Dec 03 23:02

smnthermes

*XRevan86 has no idea what that meant.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | I OWN THE UNITED STATES - Invidious

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=LElnMnN5Kao

smnthermes

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | I OWN THE UNITED STATES - Invidious

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/12/03/hotdive-converts-your-smartphone-into-a-dive-computer-and-underwater-camera/

XRevan86

smnthermes: Not a single mention of Soros, nizachot.

Dec 03 23:05

schestowitz

that would have google flagging it "antisemitic"

Dec 03 23:08

XRevan86

so conspirary theorists are careful now? :)

Dec 03 23:08

schestowitz

those who stay visible

Dec 03 23:09

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | HotDive converts your smartphone into a dive computer and underwater camera (crowdfunding)

schestowitz

lol

schestowitz

just what you wanted

search_social

soros is a matter of public record

schestowitz

underwater 'phone'

search_social

apparently truth is a conspiracy theory now

schestowitz

depends how it's approaches

schestowitz

same for gates

schestowitz

some say about him untrue things

schestowitz

and that distracts from the ugly truths

schestowitz

same for soos

schestowitz

soros

schestowitz

they know how to exploit the nuts

schestowitz

the 5g industry does that too, it seems...

Dec 03 23:24

schestowitz

associating 5g criticism/critics with nutty covidiots

Dec 03 23:24

schestowitz

like 5g has anything to do with a virus

Dec 03 23:24

superkuh

Uh. What kind of 5G criticism do you mean? Like that it only provides 20% more thoroughput hertz per hertz so that all major increases in speed have to come from taking other people's spectrum for telco use?

Dec 03 23:26

schestowitz

last month gates tried to equate criticism of him with holocaust denial

schestowitz

as he knows laws exist in some countries to ban such things

schestowitz

gates is very nutty http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights

schestowitz

he also blames "the government" for Android winning mobile and not Windows

schestowitz

those are all dangerous people