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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, even now.... | Dec 08 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Chevy is going downhill. | Dec 08 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to buy those fake JD Power awards and do damage control ads. | Dec 08 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's a real turkey shoot. | Dec 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We still see some early 90s Chevy cars out there. Many don't look too good. But they run. | Dec 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We'll see how many 2020 anything is on the road in 2050. | Dec 08 00:01 |
| MinceR | we'll see if we'll see anything in 2050 | Dec 08 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's ridiculus. | Dec 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | New cars are more expensive than ever. | Dec 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they only last about 60-70% of what the 90s ones did. | Dec 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe. | Dec 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're crazy expensive and you have to buy almost twice as many now. | Dec 08 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eh, suits them fine. | Dec 08 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're just going to keep doing nutty shit with them to cut costs. | Dec 08 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who cares what the car is doing to you in 10 years? | Dec 08 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least Kia admits that they're a cheap car that has some cut corners. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: They still last at least twice as long as a BMW and at 1/3rd the cost. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And in some cases, with more features. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BMW has been crazy conservative on some of their stuff. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No Android Auto. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were still putting cassette players in the 2010 models. | Dec 08 00:04 |
| MinceR | that's only conservative in the "authoritarian idiot" sense | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This 2003 Impala has a cassette and CD system. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | remember, they do support crApple's shit | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course they do. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The crossover is ridiculous. | Dec 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister in law is Asian and I had to explain math. | Dec 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like "My used Apple stuff holds its value.". | Dec 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "No, it's expensive for a used one because the new ones are outrageous. But as a fraction of remaining value, it's on par with a Samsung phone.". | Dec 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like all of them, "But I could get this for it if I sold it now, and you could only get that for yours.". | Dec 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Yeah, and yours was $1300 and mine was $500. | Dec 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It's $500 as a percentage of $1,300 and $220 as a percentage of $500. Holy crap, yours has depreciated more!" | Dec 08 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "But it gets worse because you can basically keep using an Android phone as long as you want, but Apple eventually kills off the iPhones that haven't died when it stops apps from working on them anymore all at once." | Dec 08 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Told my mom the same thing." | Dec 08 00:09 |
| MinceR | even the oldest android phone can do things no hypePhone will ever do | Dec 08 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like "Well, I'm 62 and you can laugh all you want, but my boss at work says iPhones are easy for old people.". | Dec 08 00:09 |
| MinceR | like sideload applications and multitask | Dec 08 00:10 |
| MinceR | and support a filesystem that is shared between applications | Dec 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I don't like using an iPhone even for a minute when someone hands me one. | Dec 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm always like "How do I bring up the overview?" and "Where's the back button?". | Dec 08 00:10 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] ""But it gets worse because you c"> snicker | Dec 08 00:11 |
| danielp3344 | > <@daemonfc:matrix.org> "But it gets worse because you can basically keep using an Android phone as long as you want, but Apple eventually kills off the iPhones that haven't died when it stops apps from working on them anymore all at once." | Dec 08 00:11 |
| danielp3344 | * *snicker* | Dec 08 00:11 |
| danielp3344 | I pre ordered a pinephone | Dec 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read an article the other day that said "Hurry up and update your iPhone firmware or the web browser won't work anymore.". | Dec 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm like....... "..............". | Dec 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "If you don't upgrade the OS often enough, your browser can't load a website? | Dec 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't understand how this is connected. | Dec 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you're telling me that I can load a Windows 95 virtual machine with Netscape Navigator, and it will be more useful for web browsing than an iPhone that's not using the new firmware? | Dec 08 00:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | that's not the only thing it will be more useful for than a hypePhone | Dec 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then my sister in law was like "But Android cuts you off from security updates after about a year.". | Dec 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | interesting | Dec 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | someone forgot to tell LG that | Dec 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | and Samsung | Dec 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "My phone was out in spring of 2017 and I still get security updates every month.". | Dec 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In fact, Ive got Oreo 8.1 too! | Dec 08 00:15 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "Then my sister in law was like ""> that is absolutely true, but so does apple | Dec 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | not quite | Dec 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm still getting major new Android versions. | Dec 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | it depends on the manufacturer in the android case | Dec 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And security rollups. | Dec 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | in the crApple case, it is true :> | Dec 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | over 2.5 years later. | Dec 08 00:15 |
| danielp3344 | yeah but you have no means of fixing anything | Dec 08 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I replaced the charging port and battery. | Dec 08 00:16 |
| danielp3344 | you're totally at the mercy of whatever the OEM is doing | Dec 08 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $100 somehow seemed better than spending $900 on a Galaxy S10 because Apple raised their price to $1,500. | Dec 08 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of buying a new phone that was marginally better, I had a shop do engine repair on my Impala. | Dec 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The parts of the engine that always end up leaking eventually on that engine are new. | Dec 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Dec 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: Apparently I owned the first car with DeathCool and just didn't realize it. | Dec 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM decided that since the Corsica was on the way out anyway, try it in that first. | Dec 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Organic Acid Technology". | Dec 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Acid....you say? | Dec 08 00:19 |
| danielp3344 | ? | Dec 08 00:19 |
| *XRevan86 made some small colour adjustments: https://i.ibb.co/WDbKKnp/bootsplash.png | Dec 08 00:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | And rubber.... | Dec 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How could this possibly go wrong? :) | Dec 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm no engineer, but... | Dec 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you don't change the gasket type that you were using that held up okay with green coolant, and you switch to something that is acidic..... | Dec 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't the acid maybe eventually eat through this stuff? | Dec 08 00:20 |
| MinceR | organic acid... is it acetic acid? or citric acid? or ascorbic acid? | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that's what happened, apparently. | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The Impala came with DeathCool. | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's using Green now. | Dec 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mechanic I spoke with said that most people ended up converting them anyway. | Dec 08 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because the DexCool sludges up even if it doesn't eat through your intake manifold. | Dec 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DeathCool | Dec 08 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: DeathCool | Dec 08 00:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yeah. | Dec 08 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like I said, mine uses Green now. | Dec 08 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM wasn't happy that people had theirs flushed out really well and converted over to green. | Dec 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mine has been flushed twice since the DeathCool was in it. | Dec 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | it could be humic acid, even | Dec 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL, Scotty Kilmer | Dec 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Dec 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "If someone tries selling you a used [hybrid] and says 'I just replaced the battery.', ask them what they replaced it with, because a lot of rebuilt ones just don't last long. | Dec 08 00:29 |
| MinceR | "i replaced it with a dead weasel. why?" | Dec 08 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I asked the salesman if they replaced it with a brand new one from Toyota because my ex would have to be insane to get a Prius for $10,000 and then turn around and pay $3,000 for a real Toyota battery. | Dec 08 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I asked for that in writing, they asked us to have a nice day. | Dec 08 00:30 |
| MinceR | afaik you can replace part of it | Dec 08 00:31 |
| danielp3344 | hybrids... | Dec 08 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can, but it replaces some cells with new ones and some will be 10-15 years old. | Dec 08 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then it goes out AGAIN in a year. | Dec 08 00:31 |
| MinceR | could be | Dec 08 00:31 |
| MinceR | and it needs to be balanced out after replacing | Dec 08 00:31 |
| MinceR | which needs the right equipment and expertise | Dec 08 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't want to pay $10,000, drive it off the lot, and be in for a $3,000 battery job to do it right. | Dec 08 00:32 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | At that point, you could have just bought a new Ford Fiesta Hatchback with the buttwarmers and the heated mirrors and the Android Auto. | Dec 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Been happy with a car that gets 36 mpg for the next 10-15 years. | Dec 08 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not someone's 10 year old battery car. | Dec 08 00:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, a Prius is well designed, there's no arguing that. | Dec 08 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if you buy it new, replace a $3,000 battery when it's like 10 years old, drive it another 10 years. | Dec 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You got your money's worth. | Dec 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | for the price of a brand new ford fiesta, i could just buy a suzuki vitara | Dec 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | which is a far better car than any ford will ever be :> | Dec 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eh, Ford's okay. | Dec 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're #13 on reliability. | Dec 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM is #23 now. | Dec 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | yeah, for that money, i can do better than "okay" | Dec 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BMW is #30. | Dec 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | and i did :> | Dec 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, a Ford practically is a Toyota compared with a BMW. LOL | Dec 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a pretty steep drop in reliability going from #13 to #30. | Dec 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only way you can do worse than that is with a Mercedes or a Fiat. | Dec 08 00:36 |
| MinceR | hell, a toyota yaris hybrid wouldn't cost much more than a ford fiesta... | Dec 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Fiat is one of those "The bumper falls off in the car wash." cars. | Dec 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then the engine blows up, so who's counting? | Dec 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BMW is slightly better than that. | Dec 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BMW could do better, but they really don't care about longevity. | Dec 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if they could | Dec 08 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they stopped using all of those shitty plastic parts, the cars would be much more reliable. | Dec 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | it seems like all german car makers have left is hybris | Dec 08 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How hard is it to use real metal and shit? | Dec 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | they're full of themselves but can't design a vehicle worth anything | Dec 08 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, they start around $50,000. | Dec 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | they believe their name sells anything, and they're right | Dec 08 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The funny part is that I found fake BMW hood ornaments on Amazon for $10. | Dec 08 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People were putting them on because their hood ornament fell off or got stolen. | Dec 08 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then they complained about the quality of the fake one, but "At least it's not $200 like they are at the BMW dealer.". | Dec 08 00:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 00:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and with the rest of that, you can almost get your oil changed. | Dec 08 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 20,000 mile oil...... | Dec 08 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | HAHAHA!!! | Dec 08 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, stupid Germans. | Dec 08 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "You can go 20,000 miles on premium BMW oil and a quality German filter!" -Real Quote | Dec 08 00:41 |
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| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | sure you can | Dec 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can go 20,000 miles on any oil and any filter, if you want a sludgy engine. | Dec 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hey, hell, sure. | Dec 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | it's just that your engine won't be in a good shape at the end | Dec 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Something's not right. Might pour in some of the BMW Fuel System Cleaner Plus." ($26 Techron). | Dec 08 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: About the only evidence I have seen of a fuel system cleaner working was Gumout with PEA. | Dec 08 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even then, you need to set realistic expectations. | Dec 08 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't really dissolve most hard carbon. Just recent deposits and some varnish and crap. | Dec 08 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But yeah, you'll pay $7 and you'll get a significantly cleaner engine. | Dec 08 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is more than Techron will do. | Dec 08 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some people say if you keep pouring it in tank after tank, eventually after 7-8 bottles it'll start looking much cleaner still. | Dec 08 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if it takes 7-8 bottles to get an improvement that's less than half of what the first bottle made..... | Dec 08 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would say if you're starting out with a new car and definitely don't want deposits to start accumulating, you can use it from the beginning every 5,000 miles. | Dec 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kia suggested this, actually. | Dec 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So, it doesn't really surprise me that BMW is relabeling crap you can pour in 100 times in a row and it really makes no difference at all, for $26 a bottle. | Dec 08 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a profit item for the stealership (another one) on a car that isn't going to last long enough to worry about anyway. | Dec 08 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: GM's opinion from one of their "fuel engineers" is "Some additives into the gas tank work, many don't. Some can actually cling to the intake valves and cause them to stick.". | Dec 08 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, I'd say Gumout with PEA works, Techrom/BMW doesn't, and most of the rest you risk seriously screwing up your car. | Dec 08 00:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seafoam and Marvel Mystery Oil are two that are really suspicious for a modern engine. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seafoam is ancient crap made for two stroke outboard engines. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Marvel Mystery Oil is carb cleaner from the 1920s. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, uh, yeah. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| MinceR | afaik engine oil is supposed to contain some amount of detergent anyway | Dec 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, they say pour some in the gas tank. | Dec 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Gumout Multi System Cleaner says you can pour it in the gas tank, or one ounce per quart of oil in the crankcase, or through the intake vacuum line. | Dec 08 00:53 |
| MinceR | oh, right | Dec 08 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I dumped a whole bottle in my gas tank this fillup. | Dec 08 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says 1 bottle in the gas tank treats 18-21 gallons of gasoline. | Dec 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My gas tank is 17.9 gallons. | Dec 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So whole bottle. :P | Dec 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All gasoline has some detergent, by law. | Dec 08 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the minimum detergent leaves much to be desired. | Dec 08 00:54 |
| MinceR | does Top Tier require more? | Dec 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you're using the off brand gas most of the time, dump a can of the multi system in your tank every few thousand miles. | Dec 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Top Tier must contain at least twice the minimum detergent. | Dec 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AAA found Top Tier gas leaves 19 times fewer deposits on intake valves than the EPA minimum. | Dec 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It normally costs about 3 cents more per gallon of gas. | Dec 08 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're still talking like a few hundred ppm of the PEA in Top Tier gas. | Dec 08 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it can still be some dirty stuff that you have to send a detergent after to chase down. | Dec 08 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But crap won't accumulate like whoa. | Dec 08 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised that the regulations don't require better detergents. | Dec 08 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obama definitely inflicted more costly regulations on gasoline. | Dec 08 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd think one to keep carbon deposits to a minimum would be a good idea. | Dec 08 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Engines that don't run well don't tend to run efficiently. | Dec 08 00:58 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "I'm surprised that the regulatio"> TBH I dont want any detergents | Dec 08 00:58 |
| danielp3344 | I'd rather have really pure fuel to begin with | Dec 08 00:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You pretty much have to have some. | Dec 08 00:59 |
| danielp3344 | And clean my heads out with something if need be | Dec 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Normal people don't tear down engines. | Dec 08 00:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And with no detergent at all, these GDI engines would really be in trouble. | Dec 08 00:59 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: well, there is no such thing as 'normal people' | Dec 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GDI, Top Tier gas. | Dec 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing else. Top Tier, all the time. | Dec 08 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | VW was the first one with mass market GDI engines in the US. | Dec 08 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And everyone was still using the 1996 federal detergent level. No Top Tier back then. | Dec 08 01:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So 40,000-50,000 miles later, the engine was so crapped up, you had to sandblast the internals with walnut shells. | Dec 08 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, GDI is okay, you just need to keep them clean. | Dec 08 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | VW ended up paying to cover carbon cleaning. | Dec 08 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's a long time ago. | Dec 08 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a lot of GDI engines out there now. | Dec 08 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BycsYMQEED8 | Dec 08 01:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who Makes the Worst Automatic Transmission Cars in the World - YouTube | Dec 08 01:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, a woman in my apartment building in Fort Wayne who had sex with everyone had a 1995 Explorer. | Dec 08 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I called it the Exploder, but it wasn't because of the transmission. That might have been the only thing that was working right. | Dec 08 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The engine ran like this, the whole thing was falling apart. | Dec 08 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The tires were bald, the fillings would get knocked out of your teeth if you hit a bump. | Dec 08 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I lived in the apartment below her, and it was kind of funny because I knew her, and I knew the guy she was dating for like a few months there. | Dec 08 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And she'd be moaning, and he'd be talking about something random while he was fucking her. | Dec 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The walls and ceilings/floors were kind of thin. | Dec 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I heard everything. It was the funniest thing in the world. | Dec 08 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: Anyway, I know a lot of straight people who will bonk anything. | Dec 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not bother to remember names even.... | Dec 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But people stereotype gay men that way because it helps justify hating people when you can make them seem particularly disgusting. | Dec 08 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, she was very very Catholic other than that. | Dec 08 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Went to church, Sad Jesus(TM) candles. | Dec 08 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom's opinion on Catholics is pretty common among Protestants, I think. I've heard it a lot. | Dec 08 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Well, they just do whatever they want ask some guy to forgive them and it doesn't work like that. Why even bother?" | Dec 08 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if it helps, I've seen a lot of people, in general who go to <insert church> who act basically the same way when nobody from church sees them. | Dec 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they think it's funny to go to church and gossip about people. | Dec 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister-in-laws family went to court, even though they "believe" it's an unforgivable sin. | Dec 08 01:11 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDCFs5A1E1A | Dec 08 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[YTP] Too Much Fiddling With The Gearshift - YouTube | Dec 08 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody they knew was there, so that makes it okay. | Dec 08 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the thing, it's like people go to church, then they do whatever they want and as long as nobody saw that, it's fine. | Dec 08 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I have no idea how this guy I dated got a 2007 Dodge minivan. | Dec 08 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was 300,000+ miles on it. | Dec 08 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And all that was wrong with it were some oil leaks and a bad cam sensor. | Dec 08 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've just never seen anything recent that Chrysler had anything to do with that lasted that many miles. | Dec 08 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "It's a Chrysler van with 300,000 miles and it's just leaking a bit of oil and needs a cheap sensor replaced? I hope they bought a lottery ticket that day too.". | Dec 08 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got taken on it though. | Dec 08 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Forked over almost $5,000. | Dec 08 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Didn't even try to talk them down. | Dec 08 01:16 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v="> lol | Dec 08 01:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's a 12 year old Chrysler vehicle with 300,000 miles on it. This is gambling.... | Dec 08 01:17 |
| danielp3344 | Save the manuals | Dec 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd have walked if they wanted more than $1,500 for that thing. | Dec 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just too risky. | Dec 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could drive another 100,000 trouble free miles with some quick fixes. | Dec 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You probably won't. | Dec 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you know it needs an oil pan gasket and a cam sensor, for sure, you shouldn't pay close to $5,000. | Dec 08 01:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: HD Remastered Games, Black Mesa and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131405 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96dc7229-5008-458f-8387-934ee39c1c8c] | Dec 08 01:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Save some money for repairs and catching up on services. | Dec 08 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: The Impala was in horrendous disrepair when I got it. | Dec 08 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I managed to turn it into a decent beater car, but it took a lot of repairs. | Dec 08 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like to drive something that's a total clunker. | Dec 08 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it is old. | Dec 08 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The steering rack was dripping when I got it. | Dec 08 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured I had a little time before it needed replaced. | Dec 08 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then a drip turned into leaving puddles everywhere. | Dec 08 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom has a way of finding every single dishonest mechanic there is. | Dec 08 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OR if they aren't dishonest, they're lazy. | Dec 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or incompetent. | Dec 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And those are usually the only place her "extended warranty" will have her go to. | Dec 08 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They made her go to this shop to have her transmission looked at and they didn't figure out what the transmission was doing, but when they finally did move her car after a month, they managed to put several dents in it. | Dec 08 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that was before the people from the insurance got out there to assess the hail damage. | Dec 08 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they figured it was from the hail and had it all fixed at the body shop. | Dec 08 01:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I cringe whenever she says she's taking the car in. | Dec 08 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, these people probably see a 62 year old woman from a mile away and pull every dirty mechanic trick in the book on her. | Dec 08 01:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KF6: How We Organize The Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131406 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37c1fd8b-62f3-43ff-8c06-bcd99c79f326] | Dec 08 01:43 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NomadBSD 1.3 is now available! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131407 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a1d6f24-53cf-41ee-be95-29b2e179650d] | Dec 08 01:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian: Voting, Packaging and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131408 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f2cdc6a5-50e2-4123-8028-86dca5a7a834] | Dec 08 02:00 | |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, yandex treats me better than google | Dec 08 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yandex is in English? | Dec 08 02:02 |
| cubexyz | google isn't as benevolent as it used to be | Dec 08 02:02 |
| MinceR | neither is yandex :> | Dec 08 02:02 |
| cubexyz | DaemonFC[m], well the results of a search are a mix of english and cyrillic text | Dec 08 02:03 |
| cubexyz | my sites rank higher on yandex than on google | Dec 08 02:04 |
| cubexyz | non-commercial informational sites rank lower, commercial sites rank higher | Dec 08 02:04 |
| cubexyz | yandex has that annoying thing that thinks you're a bot | Dec 08 02:05 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131409 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a8fc11f-fd6f-42e8-b7d8-93ddb5674f13] | Dec 08 02:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.5+ Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131410 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e5b4cb3-9451-4462-8452-5b119af86835] | Dec 08 02:12 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Dec 08 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "One of my customers bought a 7 year old Mercedes SL600, and he's the exception because half the windows don't roll up and down and most of the stuff doesn't work anymore, but he doesn't care because he's just driving it from place to place. It was $120,000 car new and 7 years later, he paid $10,000.". | Dec 08 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: The only thing that's iffy inside my 03 Impala is the fan switch. | Dec 08 02:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I replaced the blower motor and resistor after 3, 4, 5 didn't work and then 1, 2 went out and blew smoke out at me. | Dec 08 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But 3 works, but you have to have the knob pushed to the left or right of 3, not the center, and 4 doesn't work. | Dec 08 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they said it was probably a short in the climate control head, and I said how much is that, and he said like $260. I said I'll call you if I lose 1, 2, 3, and 5. | Dec 08 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it gets ridiculous, like I can only use setting 1 or something, I'll probably look into fixing it. | Dec 08 02:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Some Free Sticky Notes Applications For Ubuntu Linux! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131412 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5f4c10c3-0620-432c-aa6c-496840ae5c45] | Dec 08 02:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's a 17 year old GM car, I put a lot of money into making it run okay again, and I'm not going to put $260 more in it just to get setting 4 on the fan control back. | Dec 08 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially when it might not get any worse than it is now. | Dec 08 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But pretty much everything in the car works. The windows work, the seat controls work, the ass warmers in the seats work, all of the lights and gauges and stuff work, the trip computer works., the side mirrors work. | Dec 08 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All that doesn't work is setting 4 on the fan control. | Dec 08 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So my sister in law just forked over a boatload of money to fix her air conditioner on the BMW. | Dec 08 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thing is out of warranty. She paid them a bunch of hours to dig around in that BMW mess and find a wiring short. | Dec 08 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So she had to pay almost $1,000 to make the air conditioner work again in a car that's a little over 4 years old. | Dec 08 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over a fucking wire. | Dec 08 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the same thing happened to my Kia, it was a warranty job, but I asked how much the dealer would have charged me to fix it if it wasn't, and they said "$210". | Dec 08 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 1 hour of labor and a wiring kit. | Dec 08 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took a $30 wiring kit in the $1,000 BMW air conditioner repair. | Dec 08 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they had to spend 5 labor hours to take it apart getting to the wire and putting all the shit back in. | Dec 08 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then they got her for $300 per tire at the BMW dealer. | Dec 08 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $160 for an oil change. | Dec 08 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is all in one day. | Dec 08 02:27 |
| cubexyz | does not compute | Dec 08 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $950 something for a wheel bearing. | Dec 08 02:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming/Development: Dirk Eddelbuettel, Dependencies and Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131413 [https://pleroma.site/objects/63adfb8e-9c4f-4dfe-9d92-1e1bea0a6b8d] | Dec 08 02:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, a wheel bearing, oil change, air conditioner wire short, and 4 new tires came out to over $3,700 with tax and "shop fees". | Dec 08 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The wheel bearing job on the Impala was $270, a full synthetic oil change was $48, 4 new Definity tires was $300 installed. | Dec 08 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's $618 + tax for stuff on the Impala that cost $2,310 at the BMW dealer. | Dec 08 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the old tires must not have been that great. The car only had 58,000 miles on it. $300 (each) tires should be the 90,000 mile ones. | Dec 08 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They always claim that, but I actually bought a set of Michelins once that said 85,000 miles. | Dec 08 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got more like 60,000 and that's rotating them on time. | Dec 08 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car was in perfect alignment because mom wrecked that one and never had it aligned, so I had it aligned when they were putting new tires and brake pads on it. | Dec 08 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister in law was like "You're using synthetic oil, in a 2003 Impala?". | Dec 08 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Snob.... | Dec 08 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like, "Yeah, all I ever use in my cars is synthetic. That way I only change it once a year, and nobody likes sludge and engine wear.". | Dec 08 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So yeah, I let the snob thing whiz past me and gave her a calm, factual response. | Dec 08 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Acting as if I had missed the insult entirely. | Dec 08 02:35 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "Snob...."> methinks you read into this too much | Dec 08 02:36 |
| danielp3344 | car people are always slinging insults lol | Dec 08 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's that tone of voice. | Dec 08 02:36 |
| danielp3344 | yeah we sling that around too sometimes | Dec 08 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She asked me how many miles I had on it. I said, "265,000 or so.". | Dec 08 02:36 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: cool | Dec 08 02:36 |
| danielp3344 | make it to 500k | Dec 08 02:36 |
| danielp3344 | you can do it | Dec 08 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said, "Your mom must have taken good care of it.". I said, "Eh, not really. I just had like 15 repair jobs done on it for a few grand. I don't think there's a curb she didn't run over.". | Dec 08 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't want to dig my mom, I just wanted to point out how much you can abuse a well built car before it's in the kind of shape a 4 year old BMW is in. | Dec 08 02:37 |
| danielp3344 | LOL | Dec 08 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I pointed out on my Facebook wall that I saw a 2011 BMW 325i on a dealer lot for $3,200. | Dec 08 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I went into why that is, and why a 2003 Chevy Impala costs about the same. | Dec 08 02:39 |
| cubexyz | I've read stories about Volvo's lasting a very long time | Dec 08 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She saw it and complained a lot to my husband. Like, thought it was a personal attack on her. | Dec 08 02:39 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah, here it is... 1966 Volvo P1800 with almost 3 million miles on it | Dec 08 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "The 325i has all of this plastic and cheap rubber stuff. It's a rolling vacuum leak. It's going to leak all your coolant from places you didn't know it had. It has microprocessors and motors that probably don't work anymore. It's really hard to get to anything to fix it, so the labor hours just go on and on." | Dec 08 02:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "If you're not a BMW mechanic who just has all the tools and factory training and don't plan on fixing this thing yourself, you don't want it. That's why it's $3,200 on a dealer lot." | Dec 08 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's one of those things that if you're a bored mechanic you might like it. | Dec 08 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because it's a BMW so you're going to have a weekend project, every weekend. | Dec 08 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not a practical daily driver. | Dec 08 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That guy on Youtube said he was driving around in limp mode for 2 weeks before he figured out it was a cracked vacuum line and could do anything about it. | Dec 08 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car goes into limp mode because it detects that something really bad happened and it's only going to let you drive it enough to get home or to a shop. | Dec 08 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This guy was driving to work and back and stuff in limp mode because of this stupid BMW. | Dec 08 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's another reason to keep an eye on yoir gas mileage. | Dec 08 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Minor vacuum leaks may not cause a check engine light or limp mode, but they will cause a rough idle and a drop in gas mileage. | Dec 08 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the Impala you can pop the hood and see most of the hoses and vacuum lines and you'll have a decent shot at spotting a crack yourself. | Dec 08 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With BMW, they're all hidden under thr beauty cover, slowly melting and cracking becusse of the heat. | Dec 08 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why in a BMW, hoses, lines, and belts are more likely to catch you off guard. | Dec 08 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you can't see them and they're crammed next to the engine or under something, they'll fail 4 or 5 times as often. | Dec 08 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And you won't be able to visually inspect any of itm | Dec 08 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In a normal car that isn't a complete pule of shit, if you flush the coolant, you may never have a hose blow up. | Dec 08 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even after 25 years. | Dec 08 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also don't press two pieces together with a gasket for an overflow tank, like BMW. | Dec 08 02:50 |
| danielp3344 | LOL | Dec 08 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: I just took the valves out of my engine | Dec 08 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | The level of gunk/varnish on the intakes is absurd | Dec 08 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | It looks like a 1/6" coat of grey styrofoam | Dec 08 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, which is why I was saying gasoline detergent levels are important. | Dec 08 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | 1/16"* | Dec 08 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Way more than saving a few cents. | Dec 08 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: This is an engine I ran like 3 tanks of B12 through | Dec 08 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | And a gallon of acetone | Dec 08 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's just a metal part and nothing else, soak them in Marvel Mystery Oil overnight. | Dec 08 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll eat all of it off, or should. | Dec 08 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | I'm just going to wire brush them tomorrow | Dec 08 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just don't actually put the crap in your car! | Dec 08 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | When it's not 20 degrees and dark | Dec 08 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "Just don't actually put the crap"> lol why? | Dec 08 02:54 |
| danielp3344 | I've never used MMO | Dec 08 02:54 |
| danielp3344 | Always used seafoam or B12 for cleaning parts | Dec 08 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eh, it's okay stuff if you run leaded gasoline in something. | Dec 08 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was designed as a carb cleaner back when leaded gas was around. | Dec 08 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't really want to know what it will do to a modern engine, fuel lines, the pump.... | Dec 08 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gaskets..... | Dec 08 02:54 |
| danielp3344 | so all the usual dont run in VVT/EFI engines stuff? | Dec 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, pretty much. | Dec 08 02:55 |
| danielp3344 | Well, cam in block 80s engine here | Dec 08 02:55 |
| danielp3344 | about 500lbs of cast iron | Dec 08 02:55 |
| danielp3344 | iron block, heads, manifolds | Dec 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would definitely not put MMO in a modern car that I cared about. | Dec 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you have one as a clunker and you don't care, you might try it out in the ways people are using it. | Dec 08 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't. | Dec 08 02:56 |
| danielp3344 | They did make carbed versions until like 2 years before mine | Dec 08 02:56 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: I've only seen it recommended as parts cleaner or assembly lube | Dec 08 02:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It does make excellent cleaner for metal parts. | Dec 08 03:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Metal tools too. | Dec 08 03:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The inner tie rods on the new steering rack already have a little rust on the ends. | Dec 08 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've only salted the roads once. It happens fast.... | Dec 08 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That also may be leftover. | Dec 08 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they rebuild them they usually grind the surface rust. | Dec 08 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, they look healthy. Looks like a totally decent rebuild. | Dec 08 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Completely new racks are expensive. They take old ones and redo the seals and boots and O rings and other wear stuff and resell them. | Dec 08 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would not invest $800 or more on a brand new rack for a 17 year old car when a rebuilt one waa $200 at the shop and they probably got it for $140 or less. | Dec 08 03:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The chance of it leaking again is pretty much the same because you get new rubber stuff either way. | Dec 08 03:16 |
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| danielp3344 | Just be sure its rebuilt | Dec 08 03:16 |
| danielp3344 | not 'rebuilt' | Dec 08 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The jarring part was it took them hours to do that job and they threw in a new return line because they had to cut it off. | Dec 08 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I get back in and there's whale noises when I turn. | Dec 08 03:17 |
| danielp3344 | air | Dec 08 03:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to have more work done on it the next day so they just bled the air out and topped it off then. | Dec 08 03:17 |
| danielp3344 | You can just take the ps fluid cap off and turn the steering wheel lock to lock a few times | Dec 08 03:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Monroe apparently owns Car-X. | Dec 08 03:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says this is a corporate location, not a frqnchise. | Dec 08 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their prices are pretty reasonable. | Dec 08 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Usually low end of normal. | Dec 08 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they had it on the lift for something else anyway. | Dec 08 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they did that while it was up there | Dec 08 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of a bitch to get to that on this car. | Dec 08 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM put the fluid reservoir under the alternator. | Dec 08 03:21 |
| danielp3344 | Mine's under the AC compressor | Dec 08 03:23 |
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| insmodppa | At least Yandex's anti-bot captcha is a plain HTML form that'll work even without Javascript. Google (and many Chinese) sites have an incredibly intrusive "captcha" that relies on fingerprinting the user before allowing access. God help you if your browser has any privacy features or extensions. | Dec 08 04:18 |
| insmodppa | Google's "captcha" in combination with Cloudflare has blocked off most of the internet to me since the captcha never ends. The last time I successfully cleared one, I spent upwards of 15 minutes. | Dec 08 04:24 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you very much for reporting (I guess it's http://techrights.org/2019/11/16/ilo-played-by-epo-management/ ?), but please don't "spice it up" too much. It's a "balancing act" with them...some public reporting will help, but it should rather guide the Tribunal to avoid major legal flaws than that the Tribunal and/or the ILO perceive/s it as a major blow to its reputation. - Now I fear that you might have overdone it a bit re. the | Dec 08 04:39 |
| schestowitz | Tribunal - which I myself tried to avoid, as the Tribunal is currently the only judicial instance we have under the EPO's ServRegs. | Dec 08 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Koch’s Reply to EPO Through ILO and Techrights’ Interpretation of Koch v EPO Documents Help Show That ILO-AT is Played by EPO Management | Techrights | Dec 08 04:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, I really pissed off my sister in law because she saw something on Facebook and didn't like it and now they say I'm not allowed in their house anymore. | Dec 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, my Facebook account is deleted. | Dec 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed that people get offended by anything and then there's arguments and it's just not worth it. | Dec 08 04:53 |
| schestowitz | you have a sister? | Dec 08 04:56 |
| schestowitz | I thought only a younger brother | Dec 08 04:56 |
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| schestowitz | hi | Dec 08 06:45 |
| schestowitz | sounds like daniel pocock | Dec 08 06:45 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131416 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a8a30837-2ccd-42bd-ac4b-08a30ac03072] | Dec 08 07:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: My sister-in-law and her husband. | Dec 08 07:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They made an obscene phone call just a little while ago and shouted all sorts of terrible things at me. | Dec 08 07:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking hell. Now they're threatening my husband to drop their sponsorship petition. I told her "It's already on file, and that's pretty low of you to take out whatever you're angry with me about on your little brother, who you say you love. That's very Christian.". | Dec 08 07:25 |
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| scientes | my god, the U.S. is a circus | Dec 08 08:07 |
| scientes | it was like that when I was there | Dec 08 08:07 |
| scientes | but from abroad....holy fuck | Dec 08 08:08 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 08 08:10 |
| schestowitz | join the club | Dec 08 08:10 |
| schestowitz | a lot of Trump voters are in denial about it | Dec 08 08:10 |
| schestowitz | they think the world adored the Orange One | Dec 08 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Fox does too | Dec 08 08:10 |
| schestowitz | so it'a a bubble thing | Dec 08 08:10 |
| scientes | schestowitz, Trump is different from the other presidents, so don't spoil people's hope (while not promoting the stupid) | Dec 08 08:11 |
| scientes | the false hope is thinking that it matters who is president | Dec 08 08:11 |
| scientes | but there is nothing wrong with wanting a strong leader | Dec 08 08:11 |
| scientes | and this constant "hate the president" non-sense is really irritating | Dec 08 08:12 |
| scientes | from people who call themselves liberals | Dec 08 08:12 |
| scientes | he had some good ideas, like cancelling the F-35 lightning II | Dec 08 08:13 |
| scientes | but that he wasn't able to do that shows that it doesn't matter who is president | Dec 08 08:13 |
| scientes | and that the president is not in control | Dec 08 08:13 |
| scientes | the only president that was able to get anything done was FDR, and it took years for him to do it, and after he was gone the political establishment shut him down | Dec 08 08:15 |
| scientes | and the U.S. has way too many problems to be able to do anything like that now | Dec 08 08:15 |
| scientes | they vowed that it would not happen again | Dec 08 08:15 |
| scientes | He stands for hate of the WTO and its likeness, and that is the part that people hate the most about him. | Dec 08 08:18 |
| scientes | something that Putin has commented on | Dec 08 08:18 |
| scientes | *that the elites hate about him | Dec 08 08:18 |
| scientes | that a government has a responsibility to represent its people | Dec 08 08:20 |
| scientes | this is a pretty radical thought these days | Dec 08 08:20 |
| scientes | (in the U.S. and Europe) | Dec 08 08:20 |
| scientes | and the European press has to spread the same anti-Trump stupid to try to slander and prevent people from noticing this | Dec 08 08:20 |
| scientes | as it is something that Europe needs, and Europe feels with the migrant crisis | Dec 08 08:21 |
| scientes | overwhelming I find people from Europe feel that the politicians have betrayed them | Dec 08 08:21 |
| scientes | (and they have) | Dec 08 08:21 |
| scientes | that the prefer to house and feed the Syrians, who don't know how to read and write in *any* language | Dec 08 08:22 |
| scientes | instead of the people of the country they have sworn to represent and rule | Dec 08 08:22 |
| scientes | (and they have) | Dec 08 08:22 |
| scientes | a bunch of sheep farmers | Dec 08 08:22 |
| scientes | *herders | Dec 08 08:22 |
| scientes | Why should I even visit my fatherland of Sweden when it is a bunch of freeloading migrants these days? There is no Sweden left. | Dec 08 08:23 |
| scientes | These politicians need their heads put on guillotines. | Dec 08 08:24 |
| scientes | they are afraid of Trump spreading to Europe | Dec 08 08:24 |
| scientes | this absolute hate of the elites | Dec 08 08:25 |
| scientes | the hypocrits | Dec 08 08:25 |
| scientes | i.e. Europe is acircus too | Dec 08 08:25 |
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| XRevan86 | https://joindiaspora.com/p/16705236 | Dec 08 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | "I’ve gotta give it to Bernie and/or his strategy folks. “Not me, u... | Dec 08 11:50 | |
| XRevan86 | hm, https://newtimes.ru/upload/iblock/850/Golunov.jpg ? :) | Dec 08 11:50 |
| XRevan86 | "I/We Ivan Golunov" | Dec 08 11:50 |
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| scientes | [download] 0.1% of 1.32GiB at 38.45KiB/s ETA 09:59:43 | Dec 08 12:06 |
| scientes | facebook video download is SLOW | Dec 08 12:06 |
| scientes | that is even 1/5th of the video 1x speed.. | Dec 08 12:07 |
| scientes | hmm something must be wrong | Dec 08 12:07 |
| scientes | as android doesn't download it that fast | Dec 08 12:07 |
| scientes | they must be throttling youtube-dl somehow | Dec 08 12:07 |
| scientes | [download] 1.0% of 2.41GiB at 2.34MiB/s ETA 17:21 | Dec 08 12:08 |
| scientes | there youtube much better | Dec 08 12:08 |
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| scientes | dang, this mohammed epic is 3 hours | Dec 08 12:23 |
| scientes | the iranian one | Dec 08 12:23 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19091427 | Dec 08 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 08 14:22 | |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/18/75d6a7b35c42beb9.jpg | Dec 08 14:34 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I can imagine what the paper says | Dec 08 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's when journalists defended Ivan Golunov, a journalist of Meduza who's been framed for possession of nacrotics. | Dec 08 14:40 |
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| XRevan86 | As a result, Ivan Golunov was cleared of all the charges, which is practically a miracle, but no one involved in the framing was accused, relieved of duty or sentenced. | Dec 08 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | But because the movement got traction and even with a (mostly) positive ending, that I/We styling now pops up in other places too. | Dec 08 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Putin was punished | Dec 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | he had to think about it and laugh while he took a piss | Dec 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | that's emotional harm | Dec 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | so funny to him | Dec 08 14:45 |
| schestowitz | he nearly missed the bowl | Dec 08 14:45 |
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| XRevan86 | Usually the state policy about rallies, any rally, even when it's about the most insanely evil case possible, is "don't negotiate with terrorists". | Dec 08 14:51 |
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| scientes | schestowitz, what STI are you suggesting? | Dec 08 14:54 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19091370 | Dec 08 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 08 14:58 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://znak.com/2019-12-08/v_ekaterinburge_na_vystavke_kartiny_s_obnazhennymi_zhenchinami_zakleili_stikerami hah | Dec 08 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You're needed in Yekaterinburg: https://img.znak.com/452473.jpg | Dec 08 15:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.znak.com | В Екатеринбурге на выставке картины с обнаженными женщинами заклеили стикерами | Dec 08 15:12 | |
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| scientes | XRevan86, hahahahaha that is funny | Dec 08 15:33 |
| scientes | did you see that exorcism practice video i sent you | Dec 08 15:33 |
| scientes | of iPhone daemon | Dec 08 15:33 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/wzxWYgl.jpg | Dec 08 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, I also saw it beforehand | Dec 08 15:35 |
| scientes | there also was a video of tent orthodox churches | Dec 08 15:35 |
| scientes | inflatable | Dec 08 15:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: IIRC, that person is connected to Natalia Poklonskaya | Dec 08 15:35 |
| scientes | https://www.facebook.com/unitedorthodoxfaith/videos/641572839191411/ | Dec 08 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://www.facebook.com/unitedorthodoxfaith/videos/641572839191411/ ) | Dec 08 15:36 | |
| XRevan86 | https://ruskline.ru/images/cms/data/portrety3/poklonskaya_i_sergij_romanov.jpg | Dec 08 15:36 |
| scientes | XRevan86, nice picture | Dec 08 15:37 |
| scientes | and interesting choice of head scarf | Dec 08 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | "духовник" – her priest | Dec 08 15:38 |
| scientes | pretty clever political move if you ask me | Dec 08 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What is? | Dec 08 15:38 |
| scientes | the exorcism | Dec 08 15:38 |
| scientes | 39 | Dec 08 15:39 |
| scientes | she doesn't look that old | Dec 08 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not political, he's just doing what he does | Dec 08 15:39 |
| scientes | but why is he linked to her? | Dec 08 15:39 |
| scientes | she is a VERY political figure | Dec 08 15:39 |
| scientes | considering she was a top appointee to a newly annexed land | Dec 08 15:40 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19091342 | Dec 08 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 08 15:40 | |
| scientes | newly (re-)annexed | Dec 08 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: She's a religious person | Dec 08 15:40 |
| scientes | she also wears a Russian flag head scarf | Dec 08 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | probably dreams of Nicholas II in her sleep | Dec 08 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | probably unsurprising that she has a personal Rasputin-like figure in her life | Dec 08 15:41 |
| scientes | I met the Russian ambassador to Bolivia, and he didn't wear Russian-flag themed clothing | Dec 08 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | She's also a deputee of United Russia | Dec 08 15:42 |
| scientes | he's also in a bit of a pickle these days | Dec 08 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | Father Sergiy is a peculiar figure, but I don't care enough to dig details out. | Dec 08 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | tl;dr: a murder convict, has a sect-like organisation | Dec 08 15:46 |
| scientes | yeah, I didn't think that all these priests had very different things that they did before the collapse | Dec 08 15:46 |
| scientes | and there probably is a preference for new blood without that wierdness | Dec 08 15:46 |
| scientes | or maybe even from Russian Orthodox Church Abroad? | Dec 08 15:47 |
| scientes | (which I have some association with) | Dec 08 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Dunno, doesn't look like it | Dec 08 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Hah, I didn't know there are two of those | Dec 08 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | "Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia", "Russian Orthodox Church Aboard" | Dec 08 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | Does the latter have any relationship to other orthodox churches? Especially after the latest schism. | Dec 08 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | oh, and they renamed themselves to "Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church", probably because it seems they operate in Russia too | Dec 08 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So I guess you meant the former after all. | Dec 08 15:53 |
| MinceR | self-driving church | Dec 08 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | > there also was a video of [inflatable] tent orthodox churches | Dec 08 15:55 |
| MinceR | [joke about cults being full of air] | Dec 08 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/cjA3Uop1HPU | Dec 08 15:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Десантирование мобильного храма и военных священников - YouTube | Dec 08 15:56 | |
| XRevan86 | Quite self-driving | Dec 08 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | "господи помилуй" (forgive us, lord) – amen %) | Dec 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | "forgive us for something a long dead ancestor of ours did" | Dec 08 15:58 |
| XRevan86 | allegedly | Dec 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | well, they believe it | Dec 08 16:00 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/18/9ebabcdc0e3f057d.mp4 | Dec 08 16:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, they operated in Russia because they were the exciled church | Dec 08 16:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My husband said that the in laws sounded like someone let the animals out of the zoo on the phone last night. | Dec 08 18:35 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, what set them off was when I posted about a 2011 BMW I looked at on the lot for the hell of it. | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said something like, "These things cost $60,000 or more, and this one has $3,000 remaining value because it's going to be a problem car for you immediately at 8 years old. They age twice as fast as anything else.". | Dec 08 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wasn't even talking about theirs in particular and all of a sudden I get this abusive rant over Messenger and death threats on the phone about how BMW is the best car ever made and they're rich and I'm not and how I should kill myself. | Dec 08 18:37 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And how they'll have my husband deported. | Dec 08 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Talk about TRIGGERED. | Dec 08 18:39 |
| MinceR | just like crApple fans | Dec 08 18:39 |
| MinceR | just like cultists | Dec 08 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I talk about all kinds of stuff on Facebook, even how I got burned on some Chevys and Fords. | Dec 08 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they're going off the rails. Sound like someone handed them 12 lines of cocaine and told them I murdered Jesus. | Dec 08 18:40 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19091338 | Dec 08 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 08 18:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: These people are a joke. | Dec 08 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I write about all sorts of clever and bad design. Things I did that exploded or worked out well. | Dec 08 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought I'd seen crazy dialed up to 11 before. | Dec 08 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're going to need a new scale because I mentioned Apple a few times in the context of proprietary software abuses. | Dec 08 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not on anyone else's wall. | Dec 08 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not in messenger. | Dec 08 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On mine. So they get in there, get pissed, read some more, get pissed, over some inanimate objects. | Dec 08 18:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 18:50 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/30/196f28c2adbb06a8.mp4 | Dec 08 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | > her | Dec 08 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, feminine = ['ships', 'weapons']; feminine += ['planets']; | Dec 08 18:58 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 08 19:00 |
| MinceR | or it was just a planet named after a female | Dec 08 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It was Mercury | Dec 08 19:00 |
| MinceR | oh | Dec 08 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(mythology) this chap | Dec 08 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mercury (mythology) - Wikipedia | Dec 08 19:00 | |
| MinceR | grammatical gender is stupid | Dec 08 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | This isn't really grammatical though | Dec 08 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | I guess technically, but only barely | Dec 08 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | oh, wait, I confused | Dec 08 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, he says "him" for Mercury and "her" for… Venus | Dec 08 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | feminine -= ['planets']; | Dec 08 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | I guess I am traumatised by sexualised swords and guns %) | Dec 08 19:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 08 19:08 |
| MinceR | what about gunswords? | Dec 08 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/S4E04%20love%20and%20rocket.png | Dec 08 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | Not to mention all the Star Trek ships (voiced by women), Andromeda Ascendant, Moya | Dec 08 19:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: bayonet? %) | Dec 08 19:11 |
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| MinceR | :) | Dec 08 19:15 |
| MinceR | also, guns that shoot swords | Dec 08 19:16 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/0Bnx9 | Dec 08 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Attention Required! | Dec 08 19:16 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: bat wah? | Dec 08 19:18 |
| MinceR | rule of cool | Dec 08 19:18 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19100213 | Dec 08 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 08 19:20 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Some of my favorite cars are Mercurys. | Dec 08 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | http://vasya-lozhkin.ru/upload/iblock/558/5582808e1519af3f89fa9c18dbd612f9.jpg | Dec 08 19:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My sister-in-law is without honor and so is her husband. | Dec 08 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll make a promise and walk it back on a whim just to be spiteful. | Dec 08 23:11 |
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