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Tom-_and there's this old animation about The Cave analogy which seems good to me 09 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Plato's Cave (animated version) - YouTubeOct 09 00:17
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holalove you allOct 09 00:36
XRevan86hola: /)Oct 09 00:37
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r_schestowitzoleOct 09 00:47
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Polar_Bear hehOct 09 01:13
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mandyHello :-)Oct 09 02:22
mandyJust reading these comments: 09 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FSF Is Re-Evaluating Its Relationship With The GNU - Phoronix ForumsOct 09 02:22
mandyAnd wondering if there are plans for a GNU Foundation, and also for critically bringing GNU copyrights back to RMS/a Gnu Foundation, rather than the FSF holding these copyrights, as I read in one of the comments. Oct 09 02:22
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r_schestowitzhi mandyOct 09 02:29
mandyHiya :-)Oct 09 02:29
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mandyYou having a good day?Oct 09 02:29
r_schestowitzsee federa wiki Oct 09 02:30
r_schestowitzoopsOct 09 02:30
r_schestowitzwrong pasteOct 09 02:30
mandylolOct 09 02:30
r_schestowitzsee 09 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Federation - TechrightsOct 09 02:30
r_schestowitzno idea where the "fedora wiki" copy came fromOct 09 02:30
mandywill take a lookOct 09 02:30
r_schestowitzthere's another page in thereOct 09 02:30
r_schestowitzit's one associate's ideaOct 09 02:31
r_schestowitzthere are two blog posts about thisOct 09 02:31
mandywhich in that list are fully pro-GNU? I can see the FSF and SFC in that list, which is concerning. Oct 09 02:31
mandyPro-GNU and RMS, with him involved? Oct 09 02:32
mandyAnd able to act to get copyrights back from the FSF.Oct 09 02:32
r_schestowitzit is not an endorsementOct 09 02:33
mandySorry if I've missed any blog posts. Just thinking that one new organisation, with RMS, everyone who has stood strong supporting him and the principles of Linux, could be a great place to centralise donations/copyright etcOct 09 02:33
r_schestowitzit's just a list of what existsOct 09 02:33
r_schestowitzFSFE was also 'anti-RMS'Oct 09 02:33
mandynot good, yesOct 09 02:33
mandyJust thinking how we can all power on regardless (not bothering with those who've shown themselves to be negative/anti-RMS/anti-privacy and principles. Oct 09 02:34
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r_schestowitzI don't think 'anti-RMS'  even is the pointOct 09 02:35
r_schestowitzbut what you sometimes find is that those who endorsed the lynch mob don't value Software FreedomOct 09 02:35
r_schestowitzso we need to look at underlying attitudes, approach, means, goalsOct 09 02:36
mandyYes, I see what you are saying. I mean an new organisation of those who are not anti-RMS and who value real software freedom. And centralising of donations, critical copyrights I understand FSF hold at this point, also. Oct 09 02:36
r_schestowitzrms repeatedly sent me emails concerning fsfOct 09 02:37
r_schestowitzthey have the copyrightsOct 09 02:38
r_schestowitzhe wants to mend things with themOct 09 02:38
mandythat was the particular comment that set me thinking, regarding FSF holding many of the GNU copyrights ... then I got to thinking about eg a GNU Foundation, and, yes, thinking if maybe RMS is thinking of something like that. And could that be really good for everyone who's been upset by what's happening, and somewhere donations can really do someOct 09 02:38
mandygood. Oct 09 02:38
r_schestowitz "As head of the GNU Project, I will be working with the FSF on how to structure the GNU Project's relationship with the FSF in the future." -Stallman CRITICAL message! Oct 09 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU-FSF relationshipOct 09 02:38
r_schestowitzso don't throw anyone under the bus just yetOct 09 02:38
r_schestowitz 09 02:39
mandyI see. I worry though that the FSF may not be aiming to mend things, and that it may go bad regarding copyrights. Sometimes having faith in these places isn't a great thing to do, especially when they've acted as they have against him. Oct 09 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guest Post: What Stallman Wants | TechrightsOct 09 02:39
r_schestowitzcovered here before the FSF and GNU statement from the FSFOct 09 02:39
r_schestowitzand that ridiculous open letter of a dozen gnu peopleOct 09 02:39
r_schestowitz 09 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | We Welcome Richard Stallman, Again | TechrightsOct 09 02:39
r_schestowitz 09 02:39
mandyIt's just this separating about GNU, that FSF are talking about now ... concerning. Oct 09 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Free Software Foundation’s Mission Could Use Outside Help | TechrightsOct 09 02:40
r_schestowitzThose latter two are the posts I was referring toOct 09 02:40
mandyYes, thanks for the links. I just think care should be taken about trusting an organisation that is more on the anti-RMS side than actual RMS's side/pro-Linux values. Oct 09 02:41
r_schestowitzconfusing timesOct 09 02:41
r_schestowitzbut...Oct 09 02:41
r_schestowitzwatch what goes on with Torvalds as wellOct 09 02:42
r_schestowitzCBS entrapped himOct 09 02:42
mandyIf a new GNU organisation, centralising copyrights/donations, could safeguard incase worse things are done, that could be something to think about maybe. Oct 09 02:42
r_schestowitzand he looks in poor shapeOct 09 02:42
r_schestowitzthey tricked rms and torvalds into sound bitesOct 09 02:42
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r_schestowitzwe can't prove it, but there are more intense efforts lately to scuttle community control over codeOct 09 02:43
r_schestowitzI increasingly think that's what kdbus/systemd is about as wellOct 09 02:43
r_schestowitzone monolithic piece of software that is technically FOSS but few people outside "big tech" can and do participate in... and you cannot compartmentaliseOct 09 02:44
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mandygot disconnected thereOct 09 02:47
r_schestowitz[02:43] <r_schestowitz> I increasingly think that's what kdbus/systemd is about as wellOct 09 02:48
r_schestowitz[02:44] <r_schestowitz> one monolithic piece of software that is technically FOSS but few people outside "big tech" can and do participate in... and you cannot compartmentaliseOct 09 02:48
mandyYou're talking about systemd now, yes? I'd answered you about Torvalds; will just paste that in. Oct 09 02:48
mandyYes, worried about Torvalds not speaking up as he did before last year. If GregKH, friend of MS, gets to leadership, that won't go well. Yes, it takes a toll, not being your real self, I think. He stood strong on principles, the kernel never breaking or being non-merit basedAnd I think we've all wished he kept to being himself. Bending to the willOct 09 02:49
mandyof the corporate-favouring types isn't what Linux is about. And trusting the FSF to mend things/look after copyrights might end up not being a good decision. Oct 09 02:49
eterrr_schestowitz, Nice, i like this 09 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Federation - TechrightsOct 09 02:49
r_schestowitzeterr: good :-)Oct 09 02:49
r_schestowitzmandy: I don't want to hop on the "systemd sucks" trainOct 09 02:50
r_schestowitzbut I think it's a  symptom of somethingOct 09 02:50
mandyOkay, thanks for the link. I do have concerns, seeing as some of these organisations have been involved in what happened recently. Oct 09 02:50
r_schestowitzLinux is everywhere, with GNU in there, but never mentioned (they call GNU tools "Linux commands")Oct 09 02:50
eterrr_schestowitz, just one recommendation:  call it "Libre" instead of Free.  that way it is not confused with "Gratis" or "FSF"Oct 09 02:50
r_schestowitzbut they want monopoly powers over these thingsOct 09 02:50
mandylol, no real opinion on systemd, tbh. Just care about privacy/values, and hope there's nothing data-mining in systemd. Oct 09 02:50
r_schestowitzTorvalds and RMS sort of stand in their wayOct 09 02:50
mandyI just want RMS's work safeguarded and continuing ... got worried by that comment re FSF holding copyrights to a lot of GNU. Oct 09 02:51
mandyYes, that's my concern, so taking any attention/power away from those involved in ousting RMS could be something good. Oct 09 02:52
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eterrr_schestowitz, or else your going to need to explain that "Free" actually means "Libre".... for the next 50 years  ;)Oct 09 02:53
r_schestowitzsystemd doesn't worry me too much eitherOct 09 02:53
mandyLinux has always done it's own thing, so my idea was if a new GNU-based foundation, that also owns copyrights, and gives ppl somewhere to donate (I'm seeing ppl say they'd donate what they used to donate to FSF to a GNU-centred place). Oct 09 02:53
r_schestowitz "There’s already at least a couple of people on the list that aren’t even developers." Oct 09 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joint statement on the GNU Project | LobstersOct 09 02:54
mandyYes, I think systemd isn't top priority at this point, more the actual values/freedoms continuing and expanding. Oct 09 02:54
r_schestowitzGNU is a lot bigger than LinuxOct 09 02:54
r_schestowitzDoesn't matter how media frames it, the media does not manage to rewrite facts and realityOct 09 02:55
sridI confirmed in #octave that out of 4 GNU maintainers, 2 of them signed it (one of the signed is the project lead).Oct 09 02:55
r_schestowitzyou can run gnu with another kernelOct 09 02:55
r_schestowitzLinux without GNU. however, isn't too useful. It's stuff like Android...Oct 09 02:55
sridr_schestowitz: It is worrying to see people from important tools like GCC in that listOct 09 02:55
mandyYes, it's safeguarding the GNU, including copyrights, that concerns me. Oct 09 02:55
r_schestowitzsrid: GGC is very corporate-influenced now, e.g. SUSEOct 09 02:56
r_schestowitzSo they mingle with people who get big salaries from companies which RMS condemnsOct 09 02:56
r_schestowitz(it's inevitable)Oct 09 02:57
mandyAn independent GNU Foundation, centralising RMS's v important work, donations, copyrights, could just take any attention (and power) away from all these other organisations and agendas. Oct 09 02:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | thoughts on rms and gnu -- wingologOct 09 02:57
sridThat's ... strange. If RMS has been the leader of GNU, shouldn't he have had ultimate say on these matters, thus preventing such corporate-influence on projects like GCC?Oct 09 02:57
r_schestowitznoOct 09 02:57
r_schestowitzSee Torvalds and LFOct 09 02:57
r_schestowitzsimilar problemOct 09 02:57
sridCould you link me to that story? (Torvalds and LF)Oct 09 02:58
r_schestowitzover time they wrest of take over more control, in subtle legal ways, contracts etc.Oct 09 02:58
sridAll I know is that Torvalds took a break to reassess how he communicates on the listOct 09 02:58
r_schestowitzTorvalds can be fired like Steve Jobs, the docket founder etc.Oct 09 02:58
r_schestowitz*DockerOct 09 02:58
r_schestowitzsrid: lots of them in techrights, start in 09 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation - TechrightsOct 09 02:59
mandySo important to not let these people do these subtle steps, as it all builds to worse. Oct 09 02:59
r_schestowitzthose are 2019 coverage bits... but they omit the Torvalds only angle, focus on LFOct 09 02:59
sridAh, there is a wiki. ThanksOct 09 02:59
r_schestowitzThis one is out of date 09 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linus Torvalds - TechrightsOct 09 02:59
r_schestowitzRMS and LT created these things to decentraliseOct 09 03:00
r_schestowitzto not seem like dictatorshipOct 09 03:00
r_schestowitzbut from shared trusted ownership come corporate influence, money, salaries people on board, people with contractual obligations to companiesOct 09 03:01
r_schestowitzthen the bylawsOct 09 03:01
r_schestowitzIn this one days ago OSDL was mentioned 09 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LF Kool-Aid is Unhealthy to Linux | TechrightsOct 09 03:02
sridReminds me of what this person says about RMS events: 09 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | j to the oe (@joenihl) on TwitterOct 09 03:02
r_schestowitzwe can fantacise about RMS and LT chatting offlist, then announcing the "GNU Linux Foundation" with corporate influence blockeOct 09 03:02
mandyI meant centralise in the sense that TechRights is where important articles are all kept ... and in the sense of those who want to donate to GNU/values/privacy, rather than any risky FSF/sjw/corporate-leaning etcOct 09 03:02
r_schestowitzthose will take over things regardlessOct 09 03:03
mandyonly if we let it, thoughOct 09 03:03
sridOne thing I wonder ... how come I have not heard any of these _outside_ techrights? Such as over at Hacker News?Oct 09 03:03
r_schestowitzmandy: if you don't, they slander youOct 09 03:05
mandyBut TechRights, for example, was an idea, and does a good job of keeping important things in one place, and has influence. Just an idea to try to safeguard things anyway, and where those who do support what's positive could get involved, donate, etc, plus I'd hate to see GNU copyrights harmed by FSF in any way. Oct 09 03:05
r_schestowitzso you give them a cold shoulder and ignore all alongOct 09 03:05
r_schestowitzsrid: some people work hard to ostracise usOct 09 03:05
mandywhile they keep making statements about separating GNU and FSF, and just after removing RMSOct 09 03:05
r_schestowitze.g. trolls in Reddit, some Microsoft employeesOct 09 03:05
mandySo ignoring them didn't help with that. Oct 09 03:05
r_schestowitzbullying mods into burying links to usOct 09 03:05
r_schestowitzyou can ignore them, it minimises the damage (does not prevent it overall)Oct 09 03:06
sridFWIW, I am indeed aware that the mods at Hacker News are terrible. Most reddit subs too, as r/subredditcancer can attest to plentifully.Oct 09 03:06
r_schestowitzThey're SHITOct 09 03:07
r_schestowitzThey bury links to techrightsOct 09 03:07
r_schestowitzFor NO good reasonOct 09 03:07
mandyYes, I only read the core of what's going on, as I believe in taking positive action, regardless of any other negative agendas. Oct 09 03:07
r_schestowitzI wrote some rants about it a month agoOct 09 03:07
r_schestowitznobody complained, the story was correct, but it was taken off the front page (again)Oct 09 03:07
sridYea, they do a lot of shady stuff behind. No transparency whatsoever.Oct 09 03:08
*r_schestowitz assumed that when one rebels against Money 'Order' one should be prepared to accept suppression and not take it too hardOct 09 03:08
mandyIf they try to bury your stuff, building up that stuff far more elsewhere, is definitely better. It can be challenging of course, but not being controlled by the negatives is really important. Oct 09 03:08
sridDang's words have a civil veneer, but that's all it is ... a veneer.Oct 09 03:08
r_schestowitzas long as they don't slander us, that's OK (it was attempted a lot a decade back)Oct 09 03:09
r_schestowitz(they'd rather pretend we don't exist or that these views are outlandish, outside the realm of the reasonable)Oct 09 03:09
r_schestowitzThe European Patent Office blocked out site in 2014Oct 09 03:10
r_schestowitzfor merely exposing its corruptionOct 09 03:10
r_schestowitzthey blocked 7000 staff from accessing the siteOct 09 03:10
r_schestowitz 09 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - TechrightsOct 09 03:10
r_schestowitzEPO staff loves the site, the management is afraid of people reading itOct 09 03:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Making Critics Unemployed (or Trying to) | TechrightsOct 09 03:13
sridFrom the blog post, "The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly alienating to women. "Oct 09 03:14
sridThose links to tweets ... seems harmless.Oct 09 03:15
sridAsking women out on a date is considered "alienating to women"? WTFOct 09 03:15
r_schestowitzRMS is supposed to be a hermitOct 09 03:15
r_schestowitzunreasonable demandsOct 09 03:15
sridHis pleasure card is amusing at best, weird at worst. Any woman that feels "alienated" I fear is only alienating herself.Oct 09 03:15
r_schestowitzLT is supposed to only berate male Linux hackersOct 09 03:16
r_schestowitzand Sage Shape was female at the time, so...Oct 09 03:16
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cubexyzthe Lundgren case was a farce, the restore discs weren't worth $25 a pieceOct 09 03:22
cubexyzthe discs wouldn't work without a license keyOct 09 03:23
r_schestowitzyes, i wait for him to send me court docsOct 09 03:23
oiaohmsrid: It did not stop at just Pleasure card.   The wording in the tender embraces on the pleasure card he use todo that as well when he handed over the card.Oct 09 03:23
r_schestowitzwe'll hopefully publish and rebut contents of them by year's endOct 09 03:24
oiaohmsrid: those running events made it clear that he was not allowed todo that any more.Oct 09 03:24
r_schestowitzhe's on TV now, was busy preparing some more 'mainstream' showsOct 09 03:24
r_schestowitzoiaohm: only executives and CEOs can grope womenOct 09 03:24
r_schestowitzall others cannot even ask a lady out for a cup of coffeeOct 09 03:25
sridlolOct 09 03:25
r_schestowitzthat would be 'sexist'Oct 09 03:25
sridoiaohm: I have trouble understanding your comment regarding 'tender embraces'. Did you mean to say that while Stallman was handing over that card to a woman he was embracing her tenderly without her consent?Oct 09 03:26
oiaohmsrid: not just women "woman he was embracing her tenderly without her consent?"  but yes without consent.Oct 09 03:26
r_schestowitzfind me a straight person who never in her/his entire life approached a person of the opposite gender with intention to befriend or moreOct 09 03:26
r_schestowitzit's like the original sinOct 09 03:27
r_schestowitzthey set up traps you cannot possibly overcome to not be "sinful"Oct 09 03:27
oiaohmsrid: RMS has been a problem to those running events for a while.Oct 09 03:27
sridoiaohm: So give me an evidence of Stallman embracing a woman (tenderly, or in any other sexual manner) without her consent.Oct 09 03:27
r_schestowitzlike the whole "spilling seed" BS. It's just a tool of coercion, control.Oct 09 03:27
sridoiaohm: even if it is a clear anecdote from a woman.Oct 09 03:28
r_schestowitzI don't think RMS is accused of doing thatOct 09 03:28
r_schestowitzhe did apparently ask some women if they wished to dateOct 09 03:28
oiaohmsrid: I know it because RMS is what lead to the first code of behavour(what it was called before the code of conduct idea) for the Linux conference Australia.Oct 09 03:28
r_schestowitzand knowing him personally, he'd do that politelyOct 09 03:28
r_schestowitzmaybe tactlessly, but gentlyOct 09 03:29
oiaohmsrid: and that was because of multi complaints.Oct 09 03:29
sridr_schestowitz: But oiaohm is accusing Stallman of doing exactly that (embracing tenderly/sexually other women without their consent), right now.Oct 09 03:29
*r_schestowitz thinks of the weak accusations against Jake Appelbaum as wellOct 09 03:29
oiaohmsrid: that back in 2000.Oct 09 03:29
sridEven though I've never heard of it in all the Twitter drama.Oct 09 03:30
oiaohmThis stuff was handled without drama just apply rules and correct behavour.Oct 09 03:30
r_schestowitzjoshua gay said he just asked women on datesOct 09 03:30
r_schestowitzvery oversensitive people, they can politely decline, I never heard of RMS giving unwanted hugsOct 09 03:31
r_schestowitzapparently in BSD it's not VERBOTEN to even give VIRTUAL hugsOct 09 03:31
*r_schestowitz *hugs*Oct 09 03:31
*r_schestowitz banned!Oct 09 03:31
r_schestowitzpeople need to grow thicker skinsOct 09 03:31
r_schestowitzlisten to views they don't necessarily agree withOct 09 03:32
r_schestowitzand maybe, occasionally, get asked on a date by people they aren't attracted toOct 09 03:32
cubexyzover compensating for men's past misogynist behaviourOct 09 03:32
r_schestowitzthis whole thing is insane and a societal rotOct 09 03:32
cubexyznow it's going too far the other wayOct 09 03:32
sridAbout 3 years ago my team did an off-site meeting, and we all decided to stay a female coworkers house. When the event headed, one guy had to stay one extra night (due to flight departure schedule). He felt so uncomfortable staying at the woman's house. I never understand why back then, but I do now.Oct 09 03:32
r_schestowitzcubexyz: men will never ask women on a date anymoreOct 09 03:32
r_schestowitzand they'd end up single in their 50sOct 09 03:33
cubexyzwell some will, yes :)Oct 09 03:33
r_schestowitzunless the women make the advancesOct 09 03:33
r_schestowitzthen it's totally not sexistOct 09 03:33
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sridAs individualism takes hold, hopefully we will all shed off the beliefs of needing-a-partner.Oct 09 03:34
r_schestowitzhey, did any women get reprimanded and kicked out of conferences after a male attendant complained?Oct 09 03:34
r_schestowitz(notice I'm taking about something benign like asking someone for coffee, nothing else)Oct 09 03:34
sridDid one even complain?Oct 09 03:34
*r_schestowitz turned down quite a few women who made advancesOct 09 03:35
oiaohmDue to Linux Australia Conf being held in Universities with university students attending yes you do get complaints. Oct 09 03:35
oiaohmYes that history of that conference has both males and females kicked out for sexual advances at different events.Oct 09 03:36
oiaohmBasically be on good behavour or not expect to stay.Oct 09 03:36
r_schestowitzsexual is another matterOct 09 03:36
r_schestowitznow you shift the subjectOct 09 03:36
oiaohm any women get reprimanded and kicked out of conferences after a male attendant complained << you asked that question.   The answer is yes when it been sexual stuff.Oct 09 03:37
oiaohmBut the reverse is also true.Oct 09 03:38
cubexyzroofies in drinks? some women have legitimate complaintsOct 09 03:38
cubexyzlook at Trump's behaviourOct 09 03:38
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sridThat hypocrisy is so amusing. People to get RMS while letting go of the worser offenders: 09 03:39
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cubexyzanyways, yeah I'd rather talk about tech stuffOct 09 03:39
oiaohmsrid: most of the worst offenders had to face court and got the protection of the court from badly behaved media.Oct 09 03:41
cubexyzthe truth is there were more woman into computers in the 1980sOct 09 03:41
sridAnd women did as good as, sometimes better than, men in colleges in India (where I come from). Somehow only in Americas - women have trouble getting into tech.Oct 09 03:42
r_schestowitz[03:39] <cubexyz> anyways, yeah I'd rather talk about tech stuffOct 09 03:42
r_schestowitzI agree, but these things get to be derailed by more emotional topics that spur responsesOct 09 03:43
oiaohmsrid:  So its not exactly hypocrisy but its really stupid that you do major offences you get protection from the media but when you do minor ones you are totally screwed if you are famous in anyway.Oct 09 03:44
oiaohmRMS with the media problem is not a new one.Oct 09 03:44
oiaohmBut RMS has had a long history of different problems.Oct 09 03:44
oiaohmHe has caused that have mostly been handled in house and swept under the rug while leaving him in mangment positions.Oct 09 03:45
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oiaohmYes RMS is from the time frame when " only executives and CEOs can grope women"  That need to be changed to anyone and get away with.Oct 09 03:46
cubexyzthe old comments were "Stallman is a communist"Oct 09 03:49
cubexyzthere's still some of thatOct 09 03:49
oiaohm << Different ones of old stallman comments where defended by people.Oct 09 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Richard Stallman Was Right All Along - SlashdotOct 09 03:50
r_schestowitzthey ran out of materialOct 09 03:50
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r_schestowitzso now they fabricate someOct 09 03:50
oiaohmThe reality is stallman said the same thing about under aged children over 3 different times.Oct 09 03:50
oiaohmSo its really 3 strikes and stallman is out.Oct 09 03:50
r_schestowitzhe commented on some articles, IIRCOct 09 03:51
r_schestowitzI don't agree with him, but those statements are not illegalOct 09 03:51
r_schestowitzcontroversial sureOct 09 03:51
r_schestowitzoiaohm: noOct 09 03:51
r_schestowitzthe strikes are applied by going many years backOct 09 03:51
r_schestowitzwith slander in the media as the trigger?Oct 09 03:51
oiaohmThey are illegal when you are in management and you have the workplace duty of care to up hold.Oct 09 03:51
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r_schestowitzif those comments were problematic at the time and nothing was done regarding them, it means someone uses witch-hunting tacticsOct 09 03:52
r_schestowitzit's not illegal, oiaohmOct 09 03:52
r_schestowitzsimilar amos yee controversyOct 09 03:52
r_schestowitzit's tastelessOct 09 03:52
r_schestowitzbut not illegalOct 09 03:52
oiaohmComments like that have historic precedent for different people in management positions being done for aiding and beting crimes.Oct 09 03:53
oiaohmIn the USA.Oct 09 03:53
oiaohmSo like it or not management positions in the USA you are meant to keep out of those topics.Oct 09 03:53
oiaohmr_schestowitz: Like it or not RMS has been pushing the legal limtis no one really has pushed back like they should have.   If they had maybe RMS would have changed he ways like he did hugs at conferences.Oct 09 03:55
cubexyzlook at 1989... release of GPL, it was mostly closed source from 1978 to 1989Oct 09 03:56
cubexyzso Stallman did change thingsOct 09 03:57
r_schestowitzthere was a push to close things downOct 09 03:57
r_schestowitzbut gnu seems to have kept a parallel world of sharingOct 09 03:57
cubexyzMinix was another exception Oct 09 03:57
r_schestowitzand at the end it knocks out all that spaghetti proprietary codeOct 09 03:57
cubexyz1987, just a bit before GPLOct 09 03:58
r_schestowitzto the point where some secret code gets liberates for help from the outsideOct 09 03:58
cubexyzI didn't see a massive problem until the late 1990'sOct 09 03:59
cubexyzbut, it was still bad before thatOct 09 03:59
cubexyzlate 1980's was Xenix, Venix, Dell Unix, SunOS... but there were some exceptionsOct 09 04:00
cubexyzand Minix wasn't relicensed until april 2000, so I'm not sure how open it was in 1987Oct 09 04:02
cubexyzI think you had to pay $69 for itOct 09 04:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azure vs. Moore’s Law 2020 - Mitchel Lewis - MediumOct 09 04:51
r_schestowitz"While Microsoft masquerades as if Azure is maintaining a position of strength by supplying ambiguous revenue metrics in their quarterly 10K filings, they appear to be weary about reporting on Azure’s individual performance that would allow would-be investors to conclude this for themselves. Instead, Microsoft opts to average out Azure’s losses with their profitable legacy mainstays within their Intelligent Cloud container."Oct 09 04:51
r_schestowitzAre these source documents for this? Like Wikileaks' last (ever) leak about AWS?Oct 09 04:53
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oiaohmr_schestowitz: if Microsoft started doing Azure individual performance would not be long before they would be asked how much of Azure is Linux and how much is Windows.   Oct 09 06:11
oiaohmr_schestowitz:  they do have the rough numbers on Azure hidden behind some complex maths to percentage conversion.Oct 09 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FY19 Q4 - Press Releases - Investor Relations - MicrosoftOct 09 06:17
r_schestowitz> I wish but I think I should keep it to myself right now. I provided these text messages to the SEC, but I prefer to protect my sources right now and the content of these text messages jeopardizes the confidentiality of my sources even without supplying their names. Advice welcome though. Oct 09 06:30
r_schestowitzWhat are the allegations?Oct 09 06:30
r_schestowitzThe SEC previously settled with them after financial misconduct was reported.Oct 09 06:30
r_schestowitzMicrosoft also paid the whistleblower 4 million to shut him up.Oct 09 06:30
r_schestowitz> One problem with omissions is that they’re omitted in an effort to avoidOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> scrutiny and citation. However, what I’m seeking to prove is thatOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> Microsoft knew otherwise while reporting on none of it. My evidence isOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> based on text messages from friends at Microsoft (submitted to SEC) andOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> their 2018 10k filing.Oct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> Oct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> 09 06:31
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r_schestowitz> Oct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> "As one of the two largest providers of cloud computing at scale, weOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> believe we work from a position of strength” = LiesOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> Oct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> "Besides software development costs, we are incurring costs to build andOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> maintain infrastructure to support cloud computing services. These costsOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> will reduce the operating margins we have previously achieved.” Oct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> = Lies, Azure is still operating at a loss. The only LOB to see a profitOct 09 06:31
r_schestowitz> is storage.Oct 09 06:31
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r_schestowitzhinterestingOct 09 06:56
r_schestowitzI tried to get him to send us some leaksOct 09 06:56
r_schestowitzhis identity is not a secretOct 09 06:56
r_schestowitzMicrosoft knows himOct 09 06:56
r_schestowitzBut it would be nice if we could show Microsoft fakes financial reportsOct 09 06:56
r_schestowitzi.e. it commits a serious crimeOct 09 06:56
r_schestowitzMrGreenFriend:  I saw the new report from VICEOct 09 06:57
r_schestowitzabout EricOct 09 06:57
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MrGreenFriendr_schestowitz, cool, i didnt see it yetOct 09 07:15
r_schestowitz[07:22] <r_schestowitz> MrGreenFriend: I wrote about itOct 09 07:23
r_schestowitz[07:22] <r_schestowitz> 09 07:23
r_schestowitz[07:22] [Notice] -TechBytesBot to #techbytes- | Eric Lundgren in the Media Again | TechrightsOct 09 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Eric Lundgren in the Media Again | TechrightsOct 09 07:23
r_schestowitz[07:22] <r_schestowitz> don't mind my rants about ViceOct 09 07:23
r_schestowitz[07:22] <r_schestowitz> also: I am really really eager to help him confront Microsoft/Shaw with court docsOct 09 07:23
r_schestowitz[07:23] <r_schestowitz> someone should have done it before the arrest (turned himself in, I know)Oct 09 07:23
MrGreenFriendmy internet connection is bad, i missed the chat after:    <r_schestowitz> maybe tactlessly, but gently"   is there a link to the IRC, or PM me?Oct 09 07:26
r_schestowitzirc logs up soonOct 09 07:26
MrGreenFriendcoolOct 09 07:26
r_schestowitz 09 07:26
r_schestowitzohOct 09 07:26
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r_schestowitzup alreadyOct 09 07:27
r_schestowitz 09 07:27
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MrGreenFriendreading ur Vice wrietup now-- i like how u linked all the previous articles :)Oct 09 07:28
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MrGreenFriendwatching the Vice documentary now...Oct 09 07:56
MrGreenFriend 09 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet the E-Waste Recycler Jailed for a Year for Infringing Microsoft's Copyright - VICEOct 09 07:57
MrGreenFriendWow.  He really is an amazing guy.  U have to meet MrGreen, r_schestowitz   :)Oct 09 08:10
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r_schestowitzhe cannot leave the countryOct 09 08:15
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jagadeesdoes the SJW (aka SJD) become upset about this?Oct 09 08:26
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r_schestowitzwho and what about?Oct 09 08:37
jagadeesabout Eric Lundgren caseOct 09 08:38
r_schestowitzthey have no presence or position on itOct 09 08:41
r_schestowitz(seemingly)Oct 09 08:41
*r_schestowitz won't go along with theories like, surely they don't care about social justice if they're passive because silence is complicityOct 09 08:42
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zoobabwas drinking with GregKH, as he created Udev, and we had udev.orgOct 09 09:31
schestowitzwhen was that?Oct 09 09:40
schestowitzSome FOSDEM?Oct 09 09:40
zoobabyesOct 09 09:41
zoobabin front of the Delirium, we went drinking some AbsinthOct 09 09:42
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Roy-gymWow, freenode really has a better irc applet nowOct 09 12:11
jagadeesis there any Stallman supporting Gnu distribution available?Oct 09 12:12
Roy-gymI suppose it is asking itnin reverseOct 09 12:16
Roy-gymRMS supports what fsf endorsesOct 09 12:17
Roy-gymOrg -∆ personOct 09 12:17
Roy-gymNow see choose distrod based on their position on one single individual?Oct 09 12:18
jagadeesi still dont know what stallman did wrong.Oct 09 12:19
Roy-gym\me cycling so typos expected (not a phone)Oct 09 12:19
Roy-gymRMS made himself an easier targetOct 09 12:20
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Roy-gymEsp. His old views on pedophile parties in the politiozl spheresOct 09 12:20
Roy-gym*politicalOct 09 12:20
jagadeesit has nothing to do with software freedom.Oct 09 12:21
Roy-gymRightOct 09 12:21
jagadeesso why they now making it as an issueOct 09 12:21
Roy-gymHis domain is personalOct 09 12:21
Roy-gymBecause now they have a chance. Media helps the foes.Oct 09 12:21
jagadeesi may support them if they were honest.Oct 09 12:22
Roy-gymRMS has tact issuesOct 09 12:22
Roy-gymBut AFAIK none of this is an offence. Ever.Oct 09 12:22
Roy-gymSo mannerism wesponised.Oct 09 12:22
Roy-gymMaybebthry want zemlin to run gnu lolOct 09 12:23
Roy-gym*they wantOct 09 12:23
Roy-gymHe can give keynote talk about his daughter againOct 09 12:23
jagadeeshaha who is that person?Oct 09 12:24
Roy-gymJim zemlinOct 09 12:25
Roy-gym 09 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jim Zemlin - TechrightsOct 09 12:25
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*Roy-gym cringesOct 09 12:26
jagadeeshahaOct 09 12:26
Roy-gymSeek at 2mind 20secsOct 09 12:26
Roy-gymLike adult kidsOct 09 12:27
Roy-gymBossing linusOct 09 12:27
Roy-gymRMS is okmfor gnuOct 09 12:27
Roy-gymGnu is non conformist anywayOct 09 12:27
Roy-gymNAD challenges establishment conformistormsOct 09 12:28
Roy-gymAndOct 09 12:28
Roy-gymNormsOct 09 12:28
Roy-gymStupdi autocorrect is terribleOct 09 12:28
jagadeeswhat about thisOct 09 12:28
jagadees 09 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joint statement on the GNU Project — 2019 — Blog — GNU GuixOct 09 12:28
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jagadeesWe believe that Richard Stallman cannot represent all of GNU. We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the project. The GNU Project we want to build is one that everyone can trust to defend their freedom.Oct 09 12:30
jagadeesis this a joke?Oct 09 12:30
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jagadeesi never seen them defending anybody's freedom.Oct 09 12:33
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jagadeesthats why asked is there any distribution that support stallmanOct 09 12:46
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oiaohmjagadees: its more a question of picking your battles.   Defending Stallman screwed up statement means being on the wrong side of different USA labour laws and equal laws in other countries.   Distribution attempting to defend the recent RMS mistake would be taking a hell of a risk.Oct 09 12:55
oiaohmjagadees: remember labour laws can issue workplace suspend of operations.Oct 09 12:56
jagadeeswhich law he broke?Oct 09 12:57
jagadeesits not about defending.Oct 09 12:57
jagadeesjust want reasonable answers Oct 09 12:58
oiaohmIts laws that effect business management.     "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970"  you are required to provided a safe workplace.   As part of providing a safe workplace you must understand what is a felony offense as you are required to report those to police.Oct 09 12:59
jagadeeswho ever accusing stallman doing bad things should openly discus about that in the fitst placeOct 09 12:59
jagadeesdoes he on any work place?Oct 09 13:00
oiaohmYou cannot keep anyone in management positions who does not understand that and be conforming to that law.Oct 09 13:00
oiaohmThe define of workplace under law includes FSF and GNU operations.Oct 09 13:01
oiaohmBeing president of the FSF that was also basically the CEO of the GNU foundation really put him in charge of multi workplaces. Oct 09 13:02
jagadeesso what he did. does he insisted some practices in the office that broke "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970"?Oct 09 13:03
oiaohmIt a form of indirect breach.   RMS made a excuse for underage sex that was legally invalid and proved he did not know what was felony in that field.   That comes a breach of the 1970 act for someone in a management position..Oct 09 13:04
oiaohmYou are in a management position and wish to stay there are are particular topics you should either not comment on or have legal advice before commenting on if you expect to keep your job.Oct 09 13:05
jagadeesis that decision he took for FSF and GNU and whether its documented? who are participated that meeting? whether any voting took place? so all board accepted it? if so why only stallman in responsible?Oct 09 13:06
oiaohmStuff like this is normally not openly documented.  we have been openly told he resigned over those comments.Oct 09 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman resigns from MIT over Epstein comments - The VergeOct 09 13:08
jagadeessee american president candidate said publically that if he go to street and kill a person he will not loose a single vote.Oct 09 13:08
oiaohmIt does not take very much when you know the laws at play to see how FSF and GNU hand would forced.Oct 09 13:08
jagadeesfor whom FSF and Gnu work?Oct 09 13:09
jagadeesits strange.Oct 09 13:09
oiaohmworkplace under "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970" applies to volunteer or paid work.    Has super grey define.  If work is performed that produces product/service its a workplace.Oct 09 13:10
jagadeesin "The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970" law whether it states that telling some opinion against it also break that law?Oct 09 13:10
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jagadeesbec i never heard such a case in this world till nowOct 09 13:11
jagadeesif so how all people had to go to jail. because all some times said "i will kill you"Oct 09 13:12
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oiaohmExcept stallman did not say opinion counter to law.   As management you are required to know the laws of what should be reported to police that is fairly much anything that is a felony.Oct 09 13:12
oiaohmThere are reasons why management positions in businesses normally pay more one of the reasons is to cover you loss of means to just express your opinions however you like.Oct 09 13:14
oiaohmIts the funny thing management is not forbiden to say they disagree with X law.  But they must know what they are saying disagrees with X law.Oct 09 13:15
oiaohmand state it.Oct 09 13:15
P_BAll this talk about workplace laws is utter nonsense. He said that the word assault conveys a different connotation to what we are told is the most likely scenario of what went down. He didn't tell a female coworker to harden up when she was almost raped in the break room. Oct 09 13:17
jagadeesits too crazy Oct 09 13:17
jagadeesall the idiots of FSF and Gnu have to be fired.Oct 09 13:17
oiaohmP_B: number one RMS typed it in a email message so we have the exact words.Oct 09 13:17
jagadeesso whatOct 09 13:18
jagadeesits not a decision Oct 09 13:18
oiaohmP_B: law has a define of what Assaults means and you are meant to know that when in management as well.Oct 09 13:18
oiaohmso its not a debateable item.Oct 09 13:19
P_BFSF will just committee itself into utter irrelevance while pissing their shrinking budget away on diversity lunches and the occasional activist lawsuit against someone of the right demographics until the woke donors get bored of them.Oct 09 13:19
jagadeesas per does assault does not need to be physical. right?Oct 09 13:19
P_BHe wasn't managing Epstein's rape dungeon, he was talking about it from the sidelines like everyone else. It's utterly irrelevant.Oct 09 13:19
jagadeeshe said "presumably"Oct 09 13:20
oiaohmjagadees: exactly law define of assault covers physical and mental.Oct 09 13:20
jagadeesokOct 09 13:20
oiaohmSo sexual assault on a child particularly under law does not require any physical assault.  You need to know this in a management position.Oct 09 13:21
jagadeesmeans he should have to know the meaning of assault. right/Oct 09 13:21
jagadeessince he does not know that he was fired?'Oct 09 13:22
oiaohmAlso classes the age of the victim of sexual assault as not exactly important either that is not law.   Also he tried to say a underage person could consent as well.   Oct 09 13:23
oiaohmSo one email 3 major mistakes.Oct 09 13:23
oiaohmAt leastOct 09 13:23
jagadeesokOct 09 13:24
oiaohmThis is like climbing up on chair putting noose around neck and jumping off.and expecting to walk away unharmed.Oct 09 13:24
jagadeesnow he knows the meaning and apologized.  Oct 09 13:25
jagadeeswhat should be next stepOct 09 13:25
P_BThe road to hell is paved with simileOct 09 13:25
jagadeesamerican way of justice?Oct 09 13:26
insmodppaFriendly reminder not to feed the trolls.Oct 09 13:26
jagadeeslets FSF file a case against stallman and let him serve 1 year jail. and after that take him back as president of FSF.Oct 09 13:27
oiaohmP_B:  I am guessing you were aiming for smile the extra i gives a very interesting meaning.Oct 09 13:27
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jagadeesit completely wrong. and injustice.Oct 09 13:28
oiaohmjagadees: not jail a 1 year proper business legal education course.Oct 09 13:28
jagadeeshaha yesOct 09 13:28
oiaohmTo get him up to speed on what he should know.Oct 09 13:28
oiaohmOf course he would have still been required to step down for that time.Oct 09 13:29
jagadeesits time to boycott FSF and GNUOct 09 13:30
oiaohmThe level of mistake he really could not have stayed in that position without at least stepping down.   Like linus with his bad language stepped down for 3 months took a corrective course and could then legally come back.Oct 09 13:31
jagadeeshave you seen what OEM Software (Open source) doing these time?Oct 09 13:31
P_BI said exactly what I meant.Oct 09 13:31
P_BYa clown.Oct 09 13:31
oiaohmjagadees: depends on the OEM.Oct 09 13:32
oiaohmjagadees: IBM as OEM with power stuff open source stuff is quite interesting.Oct 09 13:32
jagadeesno they are aggressively taking over all free software and branding as theirsOct 09 13:33
oiaohmSame with a lot of risc-v stuff.Oct 09 13:33
oiaohmReally the aggressiveness you are talking about is how its been for 30+ years.Oct 09 13:34
oiaohmYou don't really get more aggressive than what sony with playstation and apple with OS X did to freebsd.Oct 09 13:34
jagadeesi think we have to build a new organization which defends user's right based on GPL. not the software developer's right.Oct 09 13:34
oiaohmThe bad news is that GPL is based on copyright law and that is designed to protect the author not the end users.Oct 09 13:35
psydroidI wasn't around when mandy was here, but I agree with him and also with jadagees in that a new organisation could be founded with all new code licensed under GPLv3 or another suitable license, while GNU/Linux (and systemd and other such things) can be considered lost causesOct 09 13:35
oiaohmto protect users rights you would be talking consumer laws.Oct 09 13:35
XRevan86oiaohm: Yet GPL is about protecting the user at its core.Oct 09 13:36
oiaohmYes consumer laws in most countries are absolutely crap why we are seeing a lot of fight for the right to repair.Oct 09 13:36
jagadeesnot as consumer. user should get all freedom's of GPLOct 09 13:36
jagadeestill these time it was working. what change happened?Oct 09 13:37
oiaohmXRevan86: the legal enforcement of the user right by GPL is by being an author.Oct 09 13:37
jagadeesso the author is letting it as copyleft?Oct 09 13:38
oiaohmXRevan86: we don't have the precedence  that say a end user who is not a author can fight for the GPL rights in fact we have precedence the other way.   Oct 09 13:38
XRevan86oiaohm: Would it make me an author if I want to freely exercise my freedom to redistribute?Oct 09 13:38
jagadeesso user cannot go to court for GPL?Oct 09 13:39
oiaohmXRevan86: no that makes you a distributor.    And you are only a author after you modified it.Oct 09 13:39
oiaohmjagadees: exactly no case where a user has attempt to go court to get GPL rights or any other license has ever got anywhere in fact has been thrown out of court.Oct 09 13:40
oiaohmThis is something that is kind like the fight for right to repair we need todo.Oct 09 13:40
oiaohmSometimes the law just suxs.Oct 09 13:41
jagadeesokOct 09 13:44
oiaohmBasically to let users protect their rights with GPL without author we would need some changes to the law.Oct 09 13:44
oiaohmLike possible the means to demard those rights though consumer protection laws instead of copyright.Oct 09 13:45
jagadeesokOct 09 13:45
oiaohmIt is really ripping off the consumer not providing the product you should ahve.Oct 09 13:45
oiaohmahve/haveOct 09 13:46
jagadeesi have some ideas about it. will write later.Oct 09 13:46
jagadeesanyway thankOct 09 13:46
jagadeestalk you laterOct 09 13:46
oiaohmXRevan86: if you look at the vmware case you can see vmware argue that the author who was wanting the source released was not author who they had used the code of either.Oct 09 13:47
oiaohmXRevan86: so even as a Author enforcing GPL rights can be a uphill battle let alone be a user.Oct 09 13:48
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schestowitzhaOct 09 15:05
schestowitzactually now haOct 09 15:05
schestowitzkind of sucksOct 09 15:05
schestowitz /s/now/not/Oct 09 15:08
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XRevan86 09 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEOct 09 15:27
schestowitzof courseOct 09 15:28
XRevan86 FBK received 140 000 roubles from the US and SpainOct 09 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Минюст: ФБК признали «иностранным агентом» из‑за пожертвований из Испании и США на 140 тысяч рублейOct 09 15:28
XRevan86Star-Doors.Com LLC and ROBERTO FABIO MONDA CARDENASOct 09 15:28
XRevan86DoorGateOct 09 15:28
XRevan86* received according to the Justice MinistryOct 09 15:29
schestowitzlol doorgateOct 09 15:29
schestowitzwindowladderOct 09 15:29
schestowitzIf techrights even received money from a Russian (it didn't), they'd call us a RUSHAN propaganda siteOct 09 15:30
schestowitzthis is the political atmosphere we've come toOct 09 15:30
schestowitzand RMS "support Epstein" because he questioned allegation his very old friend Minsky assaulted someoneOct 09 15:30
*schestowitz sick of itOct 09 15:33
XRevan86schestowitz: This is worse as "foreign agent" is not just a title.Oct 09 15:33
*schestowitz supposes many of 700,000 tweets can be taken out of sequences/contextOct 09 15:33
XRevan86there are serious legal restrictionsOct 09 15:33
XRevan86FBK denies accepting any money from outside Russia.Oct 09 15:34
schestowitz(political context, context of the news/buzz at the time of posting (e.g. infamous quote someone made twisted as a joke), order of tweets)Oct 09 15:34
schestowitzat this scale you're likely to always find something, XRevan86Oct 09 15:35
schestowitzit's like copyright lawOct 09 15:35
schestowitzalmost everyone, at some level, breaks copyright law sometimesOct 09 15:35
XRevan86The amount is kinda ludicrous: 2000 eurosOct 09 15:35
schestowitzgates admitted this in an interview (he 'pirates' on youtube)Oct 09 15:35
schestowitzduterte did that to rapplerOct 09 15:35
schestowitzafter omidyar network had paid them a littleOct 09 15:35
schestowitzXRevan86: see? small amountOct 09 15:35
schestowitzbut it's used as a pretext by those looking to silence themOct 09 15:36
schestowitzlike one RT interviewOct 09 15:36
schestowitzor one sputnik response to a press queryOct 09 15:36
schestowitzthen "you're a foreign agent! blacklisted!"Oct 09 15:36
schestowitzoh waitOct 09 15:36
schestowitzI speak to you in St. Petersburg Oct 09 15:37
schestowitzSo techrights "coordinates with RUSHA"Oct 09 15:37
oiaohmschestowitz: The way RMS went around arguing over Minsky was lot of very poor arguments most that are were invalid for a person in a management position to use.   Does not matter how famous a person is or not there are times people screw up badly and just have to take the fall out for their mistakes.Oct 09 15:38
MinceR"Slow down!" "Why? Everyone else is Russian around here!"Oct 09 15:38
MinceR> Does not matter how famous a person isOct 09 15:38
MinceRwrong.Oct 09 15:38
MinceRrich and truly famous people often get a free passOct 09 15:39
schestowitztrump: "just grab her by the pussy"Oct 09 15:39
schestowitzor gatesOct 09 15:39
oiaohmMinceR: has been the case but there have been a lot of cases over this management stuff in recent years where rich and truly famous people have been pushed out of management positions.Oct 09 15:39
schestowitzfriend of epsteinOct 09 15:40
schestowitzflew with him on lolita expressOct 09 15:40
oiaohmschestowitz: Gates has been pushed out of his management positions.Oct 09 15:40
schestowitzporn found at his home, traded, rape of kidsOct 09 15:40
XRevan86schestowitz: I see your point.Oct 09 15:40
oiaohmTrump is attempting to be impeached.Oct 09 15:40
schestowitzalso his tech guys was awarded, by will, inheritance money from epstein, which makes you wonder what the heck went on between those peopleOct 09 15:40
XRevan86schestowitz: And scientes is colluding %).Oct 09 15:41
schestowitz[15:40] <oiaohm> Trump is attempting to be impeached.Oct 09 15:41
schestowitzon unrelated corruptionOct 09 15:41
scientesoh geeze guys, who fucking gives a damn?Oct 09 15:41
scientesIt has nothing to do with us.Oct 09 15:41
scientesAnd those participating in it are abord the USS ship of foolsOct 09 15:41
schestowitzscientes (shawn) has russian contacts maybeOct 09 15:41
XRevan86scientes: What is?Oct 09 15:42
XRevan86The Trump/Zelensky thing?Oct 09 15:42
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scientesI don't even know who those people are.Oct 09 15:42
scientesBreznev doctrine right thereOct 09 15:42
schestowitziirc, scientes had a short relationship with someone russian in latamOct 09 15:43
XRevan86Vladimir Zelensky – the current president of Ukraine.Oct 09 15:43
scientesoh, that entertaining pictureOct 09 15:43
oiaohmschestowitz: trump has 3 different impeached attempts against him at the moment and one is over the sexual stuff.Oct 09 15:43
XRevan86His presidency is quite peculiar, by the way.Oct 09 15:43
oiaohmschestowitz: so its kind of a mess at the moment for those in management.Oct 09 15:43
XRevan86As it arguably starts with this: 09 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Servant of the People - WikipediaOct 09 15:44
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XRevan86Anyway, about FBK… this status as a foreign agent means that it will be actually illegal for them to "meddle in the elections".Oct 09 15:49
XRevan86Practically all they do is illegal now.Oct 09 15:50
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XRevan86schestowitz: I don't understand the analogy with RMS, as as far as I know, he hasn't been legally charged. Just civil matters.Oct 09 15:58
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schestowitzwho was?Oct 09 16:04
oiaohmXRevan86: You don't have to be legally charged with anything to be found unsuitable for your job so end up removed to protect company/organization from the liability of your actions..Oct 09 16:05
oiaohmLife is not always fair.   Management positions are a privilege not a right.Oct 09 16:07
XRevan86schestowitz: If FBK won't be able to avoid this, it will become criminal if it continues its activism.Oct 09 16:07
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scientes 09 16:44
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scientes> An attacker who can produce output to the terminal can, in many cases, execute commands on the user’s computer. Oct 09 16:44
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scienteswhy do people get scared when you ask them to think?Oct 09 17:09
scienteswhy is thinking so damn scary?Oct 09 17:09
MinceRthinking is difficult; people who think are dangerousOct 09 17:10
MinceRalso, thinking leads to different opinionsOct 09 17:12
MinceRwhich are heresyOct 09 17:12
psydroidI don't take Reddit seriously because of this phenomenon, 09 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reddit is structurally engineered to stifle dissent as a community management strategy (and that's a bad thing). : TheoryOfRedditOct 09 17:12
scientespsydroid, reddit is a pool of stupidity and ignoranceOct 09 17:14
scientesalways has beenOct 09 17:14
MinceR"Thought for the day: Reason begets doubt; Doubt begets heresy."Oct 09 17:14
scientesMinceR, oh that is goodOct 09 17:14
MinceR 09 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Thought for the day (Q - Z) - Warhammer 40k - LexicanumOct 09 17:14
MinceRpeople don't need the help of an upvote/downvote/karma system to stifle dissent, they do that fine as part of communication and moderationOct 09 17:15
psydroidthe way I see it is that you never get a different outcome if you think and act the exact same way everyone else doesOct 09 17:18
scientesthe problem is the impersonalness of the internetOct 09 17:22
scientesif you can't already think, the internet is not going to teach you howOct 09 17:23
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sridThat reddit link was censored, so the post text is removed. But you can access it here: 09 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-revdditOct 09 17:47
schestowitzthey censor a lotOct 09 17:47
schestowitzthey are also techrights-hostileOct 09 17:47
schestowitzConde Nast is the patent companyOct 09 17:48
schestowitzthey are the ones who caused Torvalds to be removed from kernel hacking for a monthOct 09 17:48
schestowitz*parent companyOct 09 17:48
schestowitzThey published the hit piece in WIREDOct 09 17:48
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jalakalaopI can't see any book here: 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Handbook for Destroying the Free Software Movement | TechrightsOct 09 18:10
jalakalaopmaybe it is an ironic titleOct 09 18:10
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schestowitzthe book was posted in a layer part, but oh well, he already leftOct 09 18:52
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MinceRso they're a worthy successor to slashdot and diggOct 09 19:17
MinceRreddit, that isOct 09 19:18
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kaniinischestowitz: 09 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@evan_greer: Someone just sent this to @fightfortheftr. An internal email showing that @github, which is now owned by @Microsoft… 09 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@evan_greer: Someone just sent this to @fightfortheftr. An internal email showing that @github, which is now owned by @Microsoft… 09 19:33
MinceR 09 19:35
XRevan86Wine is 90% waterOct 09 19:37
XRevan86Can Jesus go recursive?Oct 09 19:38
MinceRhopefullyOct 09 19:39
MinceR 09 19:42
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XFaCEMinceR: you know what's great? Awk.Oct 09 19:49
XFaCEThank you for showing me the wayOct 09 19:49
MinceR:)Oct 09 19:49
MinceRi prefer python and hyOct 09 19:49
XFaCEI put those in a different categoryOct 09 19:50
XFaCEIn terms of built-in options, awk vs perlOct 09 19:50
MinceR 09 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | leah blogs: Ken Thompson's Unix passwordOct 09 19:54
XFaCEActually a good password lolOct 09 19:55
XFaCENiceOct 09 19:55
schestowitz[19:33] <kaniini> schestowitz: 09 19:57
schestowitzStay classy, BillOct 09 19:57
schestowitz(Gates)Oct 09 19:57
schestowitzThey could use their money, they keep misreporting their financial stateOct 09 19:58
schestowitzsometimes admitting lossesOct 09 19:58
schestowitzThey want the Pentagon contract now.Oct 09 19:58
schestowitz 09 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon and Microsoft battle for $10bn 'war cloud' contract with Pentagon | US news | The GuardianOct 09 19:58
schestowitzJEDIOct 09 19:58
MinceRtbh probably microsloth can do the most harm to ICE by offering them products and "services"Oct 09 20:02
MinceRas anyone else would do the job better and probably cheaper tooOct 09 20:03
schestowitzthat's budget for Microsoft workersOct 09 20:04
schestowitzwhich in itself is harmfulOct 09 20:04
MinceRyes, but not to ICEOct 09 20:06
MinceRor at least no more than the rest of usOct 09 20:07
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psydroidso Azure is unprofitable and Windows is tanking, is that why they are cozying up with the Linux Foundation and sending all these messages into the world that they love Linux and open source?Oct 09 20:08
psydroidwhat is the real financial story?Oct 09 20:08
MinceR> Our voice is heard better by policymakers when we have a seat at the table.Oct 09 20:09
MinceRthe answer is corruption!Oct 09 20:09
MinceRpsydroid: they bought their way into the foundation that pays some Linux developers and which was manoeuvred into a position of getting to tell who is allowed to work on LinuxOct 09 20:09
MinceRand that foundation is destroying LinuxOct 09 20:10
MinceRmicrosloth can't compete, so they destroy the competitionOct 09 20:10
MinceRas alwaysOct 09 20:10
MinceRit took them a while to figure out how to fight free software, but they figured it outOct 09 20:10
MinceRthis is one of the few things they're interested in knowingOct 09 20:10
MinceRnot how to make products and services that are usefulOct 09 20:10
MinceRthat's for the chumps who try to exist on the same marketOct 09 20:11
MinceRthey're also destroying GNU and the FSFOct 09 20:11
MinceR> Just as Microsoft for more than three decades has licensed Microsoft Word without demanding to know what customers use it to write, we believe it would be wrong for GitHub to demand that software developers tell us what they are using our tools to do.Oct 09 20:12
MinceRinteresting. so what they're doing with office365 is wrong?Oct 09 20:12
MinceRoh, i forgot to mention that SJWs are a key component in the proprietary megacorporate strategy to destroy free softwareOct 09 20:15
psydroidthey figured that if they are going down, free software has to go down with themOct 09 20:16
psydroidwhich is nothing more than a pipe dream, reallyOct 09 20:16
psydroidbecause there is no one free softwareOct 09 20:17
psydroidyou can't destroy a conceptOct 09 20:17
MinceRthey probably believe they'll never go downOct 09 20:17
MinceRjust like most humans believeOct 09 20:17
MinceRyou can't destroy a concept but you can discredit it in the eyes of most developersOct 09 20:18
MinceRand you can make maintenance of important large scale free software projects impossibleOct 09 20:18
MinceRthat is, they canOct 09 20:18
MinceRespecially since apparently many people in the community were converted to crybullyismOct 09 20:18
MinceRi'm curious though, how these morons believe humanity will defend itself against a meteor impact or the Sun going red giant without workable technologyOct 09 20:19
MinceRthey can also use SJWs to craft legal tools available worldwide to fight (or even ban) free softwareOct 09 20:21
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psydroidmaybe that is exactly what should happen to reset the planetOct 09 20:23
MinceRindeedOct 09 20:24
MinceRmaybe intelligent life can evolve after humans get out of the wayOct 09 20:24
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psydroidI've been thinking that this is why too much centralisation is not a good thingOct 09 20:34
MinceRit has to do with that, yes, but not all of the toxic effects rely on centralizationOct 09 20:34
psydroidlet's create many GNUs, so they can play whack-a-moleOct 09 20:34
MinceRwe don't even seem to have the manpower for oneOct 09 20:35
psydroidmaybe because it is too hard to become a part of that oneOct 09 20:36
MinceRi mean even GNU/Linux distros are having trouble since systemd wiped out most of themOct 09 20:37
psydroidthat is why maybe we should go back to basics and work on a new simple codebase ("won't be professional like GNU/Linux") that can be maintained by hobbyistsOct 09 20:40
psydroidto me commercial GNU/Linux has become just like UNIXOct 09 20:41
MinceRis there even a commercial GNU/Linux anymore? seems to me they've all gone systemdOct 09 20:43
psydroidyou could say thatOct 09 20:45
MinceRthat simple codebase could work if it was designed to have a small core and so that the parts there's no manpower to maintain anymore can be disabled/removed easilyOct 09 20:45
MinceRthat's how i'd write a kernel if i were to do itOct 09 20:45
MinceRand try to keep it small but not micro (like plan9's kernel)Oct 09 20:45
psydroidso would I, although I haven't studied microkernels in enough detail to say anything meaningful about themOct 09 20:46
MinceRwell, afaict they're difficult to design and implement and there's not much point to it if there's one large server doing too muchOct 09 20:47
MinceRafaik there was one multiserver microkernel system (HURD) and it had many issues and eventually effectively diedOct 09 20:47
psydroidI read the O'Reilly Linux kernel programming books a decade ago and took an operating systems course earlier this year for which we had to write some kernel code, but I feel a lot has changed I should catch up with firstOct 09 20:48
MinceRi guess the bright side to the demise of IT is that there will be a point where there will be no (or negligible) new information to learnOct 09 20:49
psydroidI installed Debian GNU/Hurd in QEMU a few months ago, but I couldn't get X up and runningOct 09 20:49
MinceR 09 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | systemdOct 09 20:49
MinceRobviously what a multiserver microkernel system needs the most is a massive single point of failureOct 09 20:50
psydroidand I haven't been able to look at sinceOct 09 20:50
psydroidindeedOct 09 20:50
MinceR(audio:unimportant) 09 20:53
psydroidat it*Oct 09 20:54
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decnet"Microsoft Windows 10 sends all new unique binaries for further analysis to Microsoft by default"Oct 09 21:26
decnet 09 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How my application ran away and called home from RedmondOct 09 21:26
decnetAll your binaries belong us!Oct 09 21:28
MinceRwhy spy on users only if you can also spy on developers?Oct 09 21:30
decnetIt would be a good way of bypassing the firewall. Run your executable on the target then wait for it to be uploaded to Redmond, then have it contact the home server?Oct 09 21:36
MinceRit's also a way to run a DoS bot on microsloth infrastructure :>Oct 09 21:36
decnetSeriously; it just a pretext to perform yet more spying on the end user!Oct 09 21:37
MinceRdata exfiltrationOct 09 21:37
MinceRbut they call it "telemetry"Oct 09 21:37
MinceR 09 21:37
decnetKey-sttrokes as well, purely to help with the spelling ;]Oct 09 21:38
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psydroidhow anyone still puts any trust into that thing, I don't knowOct 09 21:39
MinceRmental retardationOct 09 21:39
decnetMarketing and propagandaOct 09 21:40
psydroideven when I had to use it at work, I only ran the applications I needed for the job on it and everything else in a GNU/Linux VMOct 09 21:41
decnetExcept your GNU/Linux VM gets uploaded to the Borg!Oct 09 21:43
MinceRit also gets shut down uncleanly when microsuck decides it's time for a reboot NOWOct 09 21:43
psydroidoh right!Oct 09 21:43
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MinceRand gets the input focus stolen from all the time because those morons can't design a windowing systemOct 09 21:43
decnetOne OS to bind them in the darkness :oOct 09 21:45
MinceRand afaict all virtualizers for winblows are nearly unusableOct 09 21:46
MinceRwith vmware you're lucky if it even manages to startOct 09 21:46
MinceRwith virtualbox, shared folders and clipboard integration keep breaking all the timeOct 09 21:46
decnetBoot from a Linux USB ..Oct 09 21:46
MinceRif uefi lets youOct 09 21:46
decnetMicrosoft ueif ©Oct 09 21:47
MinceRindeedOct 09 21:47
decnetLinux LiveUSB, a bit sluggish, but works ..Oct 09 21:49
psydroidmy work laptops at the time were locked down, so no Linux USBOct 09 21:51
MinceRmy work laptop has broken firmware (hp sucks) so it will only boot with uefiOct 09 21:52
decnetSeattle Public Schools: K-12 Math Ethnic Studies FrameworkOct 09 21:55
decnet 09 21:55
MinceRSpecial KOct 09 21:55
decnetI hadn't realised maths was divisive?Oct 09 21:55
decnet"Origins, Identity and Agency, asOct 09 21:56
decnetdefined by ethnic studies, is theOct 09 21:56
decnetways in which we view ourselvesOct 09 21:56
decnetas mathematicians and membersOct 09 21:56
decnetof broader mathematicalOct 09 21:56
decnetcommunities. Mathematical theoryOct 09 21:56
decnetand application is rooted in theOct 09 21:56
decnetancient histories of people andOct 09 21:56
decnetempires of color"Oct 09 21:56
decnetJesus tap-dancing, have the woke set now infiltrated the hard sciences?Oct 09 21:56
MinceRmathematics say something true about reality, and as such, cultists see it as competitionOct 09 21:56
MinceRaccording to the bible, pi=3.0Oct 09 21:57
decnetIt's just a matter of cultural interpretation :]Oct 09 21:57
psydroidwhat exactly is happening in the US?Oct 09 21:58
*psydroid doesn't follow anymoreOct 09 21:58
decnetIt's gone insane, and you know what they say about America, that's us in ten years :]Oct 09 21:58
decnetThat article isn't an onion parody, is it?Oct 09 21:59
MinceRpsydroid: the decline of the human speciesOct 09 22:00
decnetWalmart People: 09 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | People Of Walmart - Funny Pictures of People Shopping at Walmart : People Of WalmartOct 09 22:02
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decnetBe back later on +- 30mOct 09 22:07
psydroidMinceR, amidst all of this I feel almost everything I learned about computing is outdated, they keep reinventing the wheel but make it even worseOct 09 22:10
psydroidI have to go too, I need to wake up at 6Oct 09 22:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Statement on Richard Stallman | Octave.appOct 09 22:21
superkuhIgnorance, lying, and groupthink is only to be expected from mac users.Oct 09 22:23
sridI have a feeling that the likes of Sarah Mei are silently bullying folks behind GNU projects into making statements like this.Oct 09 22:28
chomwittreading octave's statement after read gnu's team statement etc ...i feel the libresoftware every day is getting deeper in quagmireOct 09 22:34
chomwittsorry ,,'s statementOct 09 22:35
cubexyzI'm still not sure what happened to Ian MurdockOct 09 22:36
chomwitti mean what is that.. has a problem also with rms ?? rms was an object to their work??Oct 09 22:37
cubexyzhopefully Patrick Volkerding and Theo de Raadt stay with us a long timeOct 09 22:37
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decnetping ?Oct 09 23:11
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