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schestowitzhis third wife is divorcing himNov 10 00:00
schestowitzand he won't be getting sex with his daughter any time soonNov 10 00:00
schestowitzthough he can always pay pr0n stars whom he tells they "remind me of my daughter"Nov 10 00:00
schestowitz 10 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stormy Daniels says Trump told her 'you remind me of my daughter' - Business InsiderNov 10 00:01
MinceR(cat) (audio:important) 10 00:01
schestowitz 10 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dsiam YOU REMIND ME OF MY DAUGHTER Follow Us at the Everlasting GOP Stoppers << | Gop Meme on ME.MENov 10 00:01
schestowitz 10 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"You remind me of my daughter..." - Album on ImgurNov 10 00:02
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MinceR> Trump is a ghastNov 10 00:03
MinceRdangerous undead! kill it quickly!Nov 10 00:03
schestowitz 10 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Image tagged in trump mitch - ImgflipNov 10 00:03
DaemonFC[m]Where did you hear of a divorce?Nov 10 00:03
schestowitzsee the newsNov 10 00:04
schestowitztrump aideNov 10 00:04
schestowitzsome tabloid took it furtherNov 10 00:04
schestowitzand actually said they're divorcingNov 10 00:04
schestowitzwithout direct and complete proofNov 10 00:04
MinceR"You're a funny guy Sully, I like you. That's why I'm going to kill you last."Nov 10 00:04
schestowitzSaid the lionNov 10 00:05
MinceRno, said John MatrixNov 10 00:05
schestowitzwhat's that?Nov 10 00:06
schestowitzwho's that?Nov 10 00:06
schestowitzmatrix on the toilet bowl?Nov 10 00:07
schestowitzHim? 10 00:07
schestowitz(her?)Nov 10 00:07
schestowitz(they?)Nov 10 00:07
MinceRno, not that catNov 10 00:08
MinceRthe protagonist of CommandoNov 10 00:08
AriadneI am planning on doing soNov 10 00:10
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Ariadneso I bought an xbox series xNov 10 00:11
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Ariadnethis shit still requires AA batteriesNov 10 00:11
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MinceRlolNov 10 00:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #FreeSoftware Freedom is Not Linux โ€ข ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚ โ˜ž []Nov 10 00:41
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XRevan86MinceR: The Klingon is not a real Klingon. Truly a No True Scotsman fallacy.Nov 10 01:31
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DaemonFC[m] 10 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Several U.S. utilities back out of deal to build novel nuclear power plant | Science | AAASNov 10 01:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Nowhere is Bill Gates mentioned.Nov 10 01:38
schestowitzwhy?Nov 10 01:42
schestowitzhe has some stakes with Nathan TrollvilleNov 10 01:42
schestowitzbut is this directly related to him?Nov 10 01:42
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Gates was backing theseNov 10 01:43
DaemonFC[m]Pitching them as a solution to climate change.Nov 10 01:43
schestowitzthis particular set of companies?Nov 10 01:43
DaemonFC[m]Now the utility companies are backing off and Trump was trying to bail it out with DOE money.Nov 10 01:44
schestowitz(I did not read it)Nov 10 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Nuscale, yeah.Nov 10 01:44
schestowitzyeah, but not only Gates said thatNov 10 01:44
schestowitzor backed that financiallyNov 10 01:44
schestowitzIs this article about this company alone?Nov 10 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, as it relates to the utilities that are backing out of it.Nov 10 01:45
DaemonFC[m]They said it would cost too much to bother investing in.Nov 10 01:45
schestowitzwhere does it mention this one specifically?Nov 10 01:45
schestowitzcan't just look for any article about nukes (power) or vaccine and blame only "Gates"!Nov 10 01:47
schestowitzThat would sound silly and pettyNov 10 01:47
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I am doing a meme about your BFFNov 10 01:48
schestowitzRIAAnNov 10 01:48
schestowitzBidenNov 10 01:48
schestowitzRiden BidenNov 10 01:48
schestowitzRianne? Nope.Nov 10 01:48
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MinceR 10 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Japan Times (@japantimes): "Meet 'Jo Baiden,' the internet-famous mayor of a small Japanese town" | nitterNov 10 01:50
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: MinceR 10 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] For Free Software to be Freedom-Respecting Its Development and Distribution Need to be Decentralised and Widely Distributed, Not Centralised and Monopolised by Microsoftโ€™s GitHub | TechrightsNov 10 01:51
schestowitzcan you spot typos?Nov 10 01:51
MinceRi can't spot any, but i don't understand why merkel would care about shithubNov 10 01:54
schestowitzmerkle treesNov 10 01:54
schestowitzIPFS above hereNov 10 01:54
schestowitz*herNov 10 01:54
MinceRouchNov 10 01:55
MinceRi'd gladly replace all of the Christian Fundamentalist Union (CDU+CSU) with a Merkle treeNov 10 01:55
schestowitzayeNov 10 01:57
MinceR 10 01:59
XRevan86"recent events in GitHub" โ€“ sounds like GitHub being an event trackerNov 10 02:03
XRevan86"as GNU had warned years before Microsoft bought it" โ€“ ambiguous pronounNov 10 02:03
XRevan86MinceR: "but for those are are baffled" โ€“ "I can't spot any" :PNov 10 02:04
MinceRyes, those aren't easy to spotNov 10 02:05
MinceRlike "the the"Nov 10 02:05
XRevan86"To be very, very clear (and avoid misunderstandings)" โ€“ I'd rather word it like "and to avoid any misunderstanding"Nov 10 02:05
XRevan86"we are glad that Joe Biden beat Donald Trump" โ€“ beaten?Nov 10 02:07
MinceRbeaten is past participleNov 10 02:08
XRevan86I'm not sure how exactly "beat" functions here.Nov 10 02:09
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XRevan86"and that sort of pressure too isnโ€™t guaranteed to accomplish anything" โ€“ what guarantees here? no auxiliary pronoun here.Nov 10 02:10
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XRevan86"and even that sort of pressure isn't a guarantee that anything will be accomplished" โ€“ this is how I would've said it.Nov 10 02:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž []Nov 10 02:13
XRevan86MinceR: I'm such a picky little prude that I notice everything :)Nov 10 02:14
MinceRi don't see what this has to do with being a prude :>Nov 10 02:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 10/11/2020: Grep 3.6, LiVES 3.2.0 and Curl Developer Daniel Stenberg Gets US Visa After 3-Year Limbo โ€ข ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚ โ˜ž []Nov 10 02:17
XRevan86The connotation is not rightโ€ฆ a pedantNov 10 02:18
MinceR:>Nov 10 02:18
XRevan86orโ€ฆ a C programmerNov 10 02:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž []Nov 10 02:21
MinceRC program run. C program crash. C programmer cry.Nov 10 02:22
XRevan86C programme corrected, C programme run, C programme leak, C programmer run vinagre, C programmer cryNov 10 02:24
MinceR:)Nov 10 02:24
MinceRprogramme? how british of you :>Nov 10 02:24
XRevan86MinceR: You just noticed, mate?Nov 10 02:25
MinceRindeedNov 10 02:25
MinceR(cat) (audio:unimportant) 10 02:31
oiaohmXRevan86: its not right to use Beaten trump yet with Biden as Trump could go to the courts yet.Nov 10 02:33
oiaohmUSA law does not make it absolute that you have to win the vote.Nov 10 02:33
XRevan86oiaohm: Does it make sense to use "beat"? he beat himNov 10 02:34
XRevan86Now that I wrote this I understand that this is past tense and now I feel silly.Nov 10 02:36
XRevan86But the oiaohm's remark applies to it too, so there's that.Nov 10 02:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz My hope was that we'd be called in for interview with immigration after there was a new sheriff in town, so to speak.Nov 10 02:37
oiaohmXRevan86: Biden has technical beat Trump in the in the votes.    So beat is kind of right.   Beaten is past as in over.   While trump has the courts its not over..Nov 10 02:37
DaemonFC[m]One of the first batches of executive orders is to incinerate everything Trump did on Immigration.Nov 10 02:37
oiaohmWe all wish we could say Trump is beaten.Nov 10 02:38
XRevan86oiaohm: Right, I see.Nov 10 02:38
XRevan86up as well :)Nov 10 02:39
DaemonFC[m]That idiot is going to sit and watch everything he did get thrown into a big fire and all he can do is complain and possibly get banned from Twitter finally.Nov 10 02:39
oiaohmXRevan86: also remember Trump has not conceded either.   So  is still attempting to fight the result.Nov 10 02:39
DaemonFC[m]It won't work.Nov 10 02:40
oiaohmBasically Biden and Trump we are mid fight with Trump looking horrible beat up and demarding to return to the ring.Nov 10 02:40
XRevan86It really won't. It's pathetic.Nov 10 02:40
DaemonFC[m]Not only won't it work, many Republicans have all called to congratulate Biden and tell Republicans to shut the fuck up and accept that they lost.Nov 10 02:41
XRevan86oiaohm: Like a Black Night.Nov 10 02:41
XRevan86* KnightNov 10 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Even Fox News is now cutting away from his pressers and refusing to broadcast it.Nov 10 02:43
XRevan86'Tis but a scratch!Nov 10 02:43
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: So he's become a liability, that's very nice.Nov 10 02:44
DaemonFC[m]This Trump "I was cheated." shit show is so sad to watch that not even the open sewer of Fox News is interested in being part of it anymore.Nov 10 02:44
oiaohmXRevan86:  Yep very much the monty python black knight and trump is the black knight.Nov 10 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch - YouTubeNov 10 02:45
DaemonFC[m]That's like Russia Today cutting away from Putin. I mean, you'd never expect it in a million years.Nov 10 02:45
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: horrible part is Australian sky news that is basically sub of Fox News is in boots and all with trump.Nov 10 02:46
MinceRlolNov 10 02:46
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: The whole system and media are dependent on Putin, so they really will go down with him.Nov 10 02:47
DaemonFC[m]For what it's worth, I'm sorry that just barely enough of my country was foolish enough to select his electors last time. If it helps, he didn't get a majority or anything close to it in the popular vote.Nov 10 02:47
XRevan86If the numbers are in I'll calculate the results with the equal states voting.Nov 10 02:48
MinceRi'm guessing this is not enough of a lesson for the "democrats" to make them start trying to fix this atrocious systemNov 10 02:48
DaemonFC[m]He did get more votes this time, but it was because he found some more scumbuckets to turn out apparently, but you can't just do very well in Indiana, obviously. Not in an electoral college system.Nov 10 02:48
XRevan86It's pretty obvious that they'll be in between the popular vote and the electoral college results.Nov 10 02:48
XRevan86MinceR: It's not in their interests, they know how to challenge Republicans.Nov 10 02:50
MinceRyes, i can seeNov 10 02:50
MinceRit worked so well in 2016Nov 10 02:50
XRevan86An open political field will catch them off guard.Nov 10 02:50
MinceRand in 2000Nov 10 02:50
XRevan86MinceR: And the alternative is fading into obscurityNov 10 02:51
MinceRand in 1888Nov 10 02:51
MinceRand in 1876Nov 10 02:52
XRevan86While parties with better programmes take the lead.Nov 10 02:52
MinceRand never, ever, for the "democrats"Nov 10 02:52
XRevan86MinceR: You went too far back, they were flipped back then.Nov 10 02:52
XRevan86Democrats were the evil twin back thenNov 10 02:52
MinceRyes, but the name and identity of the parties is the sameNov 10 02:53
MinceRand they don't care about good or evil, they only care about powerNov 10 02:53
XRevan86Ironically, because republicans are red as in calling for change :)Nov 10 02:54
MinceRwell, they're calling for change... towards a dictatorshipNov 10 02:54
XRevan86and republican as in they don't want just a democratic monarchy or whichever the UK hasNov 10 02:54
MinceRthat's called a constitutional monarchyNov 10 02:55
MinceRand neither of them deserve their namesNov 10 02:55
XRevan86It's just another example how a political party or symbolism can change, to a literal opposite.Nov 10 02:55
XRevan86MinceR: Pretty much so, they will undermine anything if it helps them gain power, even going to a dictatorship.Nov 10 02:59
XRevan86Typical Lukashenko.Nov 10 02:59
XRevan86Maybe if the movement for reform of the shit vote counting system is strong and vocal enough, they'd actually deliver. But I don't think they'll express initiative in this matter.Nov 10 03:03
XRevan86It's obvious that the Republicans are strongly against counting on popular vote, but removing the electoral college in favour of state relative counting just might get universal support.Nov 10 03:05
XRevan86It does shift power away from the Republicans, but reduction of randomness might be considered worth it even by them.Nov 10 03:06
XRevan86This is not enough though and something to replace the second level of FPTP is also necessary, like a second tour system. Now this aspect is more controversial, because the only thing this solves is the two party hegemony in the presidential election. They wouldn't want that ever.Nov 10 03:11
MinceR:>Nov 10 03:11
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XRevan86To be fair, the only reason why I talk about this is because the way counting is done matters a lot in the US. In Russia it's done right, but it doesn't matter.Nov 10 03:26
XRevan86It's pretty strange that Belarus' has FPTP for presidential elections, because Lukashenko fought his political opponents.Nov 10 03:39
XRevan86To make use of the useful properties of FPTP the eternal president should instead foster the opposition, make it bigger and more diverseNov 10 03:40
XRevan86It's bad when the eternal president has one strong opponent, it's great when two or more. The more the merrier.Nov 10 03:40
XRevan86There's always danger that they'll unite, that should be prevented at all costs.Nov 10 03:41
XRevan86But if the opposition is weak and gives just one candidate, then the eternal president may have a problem that he will have then to fix in post.Nov 10 03:44
XRevan86But if the opposition is weak and gives just one candidate, then the eternal president may have a problem that he will have then to fix in post.Nov 10 03:52
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DaemonFC[m]In Russia, Biden would have "lost" and then had some extra polonium in his coffee one day.Nov 10 05:28
DaemonFC[m]Or a ricin umbrella perhaps.Nov 10 05:28
DaemonFC[m]Or strangely came down with dioxin poisoning.Nov 10 05:28
DaemonFC[m]Or carelessly walked out a window for reasons unknown.Nov 10 05:29
DaemonFC[m]The Russian doctor who lived may even do it a second time for some reason. Nov 10 05:30
DaemonFC[m]There really needs to be a commission on window safety. All of the Russian doctors on the commission will walk out of a window  though.Nov 10 05:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | McDonaldโ€™s debuts McPlant, sends Beyond Meat stock into chaosNov 10 05:35
DaemonFC[m]I eat those plant burgers sometimes.Nov 10 05:35
DaemonFC[m]The impossible whopper at burger king is not really that much different from a regular one.Nov 10 05:36
DaemonFC[m]That's no small feat I suppose. I never was able to stick to a vegetarian diet for too long even though I felt better and lost weight.Nov 10 05:37
kingoffrancenah you dont walk out of windows you accidentally trip and fallNov 10 05:54
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scientesXRevan86, georgia has proportional representation and it didn't stop "Georgian Dream" from fixing it so they have a majorityNov 10 06:27
scientesand it didn't stop Germany from having the same twerk for chancellor for eternityNov 10 06:28
scientesthe same importer of barbariansNov 10 06:28
scienteswho provides them housing, et ceteraNov 10 06:29
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scientesXRevan86, Lushenko voted to preserve the USSRNov 10 06:32
scientesshows what type of politician he isNov 10 06:33
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schestowitz[05:35] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | McDonaldโ€™s debuts McPlant, sends Beyond Meat stock into chaosNov 10 07:41
schestowitzCompany called something mearNov 10 07:41
schestowitz*meatNov 10 07:41
schestowitzbut doesn't not do meetNov 10 07:41
schestowitznegation of what they areNov 10 07:42
schestowitz[02:04] <XRevan86> MinceR: "but for those are are baffled" โ€“ "I can't spot any" :PNov 10 07:48
schestowitznow correctedNov 10 07:48
schestowitzthat's what I'm asking... ;-)Nov 10 07:48
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vZS1 10 07:55
vZS1Don't know if real or fakeNov 10 07:55
schestowitzvZS1: 10 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bert Hubert, PowerDNS - Encryption, data protection and law enforcement - YouTubeNov 10 07:59
schestowitzencryption is only for criminals are allNov 10 07:59
schestowitzand "Soviets"Nov 10 07:59
vZS1Also, looks like security theatre to meNov 10 07:59
vZS1Because apps don't work without keeping secret keys on the serverNov 10 08:00
vZS1So there's no real encryption solutionNov 10 08:00
schestowitzusing weakened encryptionNov 10 08:00
vZS1No such thingNov 10 08:00
schestowitzJustAboutEnough(R)Nov 10 08:00
vZS1Ah yesNov 10 08:00
schestowitzNoSuchAgency(TM)Nov 10 08:01
vZS1How could I forgetNov 10 08:01
vZS1Just saying thoughNov 10 08:01
schestowitzNobody would run a processor for 23 hours to crack a password or keyNov 10 08:01
schestowitzbecause "tl;dr"Nov 10 08:01
schestowitzheckNov 10 08:01
schestowitzhere's a proposalNov 10 08:01
schestowitzrunning a single computer operation should be a crimeNov 10 08:01
schestowitzbecause only a criminal would do thatNov 10 08:01
schestowitzand it's "suspicious activity"Nov 10 08:02
vZS1It can't possibly be that all these media outlets gloss over the fact that apss have access to private keysNov 10 08:02
schestowitz"it looks like you are attempting to crack a password. Please visit"Nov 10 08:02
vZS1So any one stupid enough to rely on those apps already have their comms compromisedNov 10 08:02
schestowitzvZS1: well, "apps" means mobile typicallyNov 10 08:02
schestowitzthe mobile has universal back doorsNov 10 08:03
vZS1YeahNov 10 08:03
schestowitzeven Signal is compromisedNov 10 08:03
schestowitzI can give the Wikileaks/Vault7 URLs for proofNov 10 08:03
vZS1No needNov 10 08:03
schestowitzbanking "apps"Nov 10 08:03
schestowitzJustAboutEnoughSecurity(R)Nov 10 08:03
vZS1What I'm saying is this looks like FUD + misinformationNov 10 08:03
schestowitzuntil it failsNov 10 08:03
schestowitzthen they will "investigate"Nov 10 08:04
schestowitznot the holesNov 10 08:04
schestowitzbut who's exploiting themNov 10 08:04
vZS1I think it might be an attempt to get criminals to use those apps thinking they're secureNov 10 08:04
schestowitzthey might need to roll over to the "next back door"Nov 10 08:04
schestowitzwell, petraeus used gmailNov 10 08:04
schestowitzthough saving messages as "drafts" was secureNov 10 08:05
schestowitzand he had headed ciaNov 10 08:05
schestowitzso that tells you what boneheads run those agenciesNov 10 08:05
vZS1I still wouldn't get complacentNov 10 08:05
vZS1That kind of org is about politics and plutocracy, when it comes to administrationNov 10 08:06
schestowitza much of covfefe sNov 10 08:06
schestowitzbunchNov 10 08:06
vZS1But they still have resourcesNov 10 08:06
schestowitzdebtNov 10 08:06
schestowitzyesNov 10 08:06
schestowitzsome resourceNov 10 08:06
schestowitzcanonical still losing by the wayNov 10 08:06
vZS1And endless stream of itNov 10 08:06
schestowitzgive me that moneyNov 10 08:06
schestowitzI am good at losing money too :-)Nov 10 08:07
vZS1An*Nov 10 08:07
schestowitzcapitalNov 10 08:07
schestowitzhe sold a cert giantNov 10 08:07
schestowitznow runs a money-burning machineNov 10 08:07
schestowitzmaybe hoping amazon/vmware/microsoft will buy it off him for mindshare/undermining the desktop userbaseNov 10 08:07
vZS1Depends. Revenue increased and earnings were less of a loss than last timeNov 10 08:09
vZS1Thing is, they're not an infrastructure company with big market share. So they can't operate at a loss foreverNov 10 08:10
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vZS1All depends on if they can hit positive earnings in the next few yearsNov 10 08:11
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schestowitz 10 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NSA: We've learned our lesson after foreign spies used one of our crypto backdoors โ€“ but we can't say how exactly โ€ข The RegisterNov 10 08:15
scientesschestowitz, lolNov 10 08:16
scientesexcept it is a fake articleNov 10 08:16
schestowitzwhat is?Nov 10 08:19
vZS1I don't trust theregisterNov 10 08:26
vZS1Same boat as zdnetNov 10 08:26
schestowitzsometimes, yesNov 10 08:27
schestowitzI was just writing about zdnetNov 10 08:27
schestowitzthe next article for TRNov 10 08:27
schestowitzthose sites really just need to retireNov 10 08:28
schestowitzbut they're funded by those standing to gain from the misinformation.Nov 10 08:28
vZS1Well that's pretty clear by nowNov 10 08:28
vZS1They must be subsidised by someone because their business model is unsustainableNov 10 08:29
vZS1Just like MozillaNov 10 08:29
vZS1EFF etcNov 10 08:30
schestowitz"These Regulations set out the obligations which may be contained in a technical capability notice given by the Secretary of State under section 253 of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 (c. 25). A technical capability notice imposes obligations on a relevant operator in order to ensure that the operator has the capability to provide assistance in relation to interception warrants, equipment interference warrants, or warrants or Nov 10 08:32
schestowitzauthorisations for the obtaining of communications data. A โ€œrelevant operatorโ€ means a postal operator, a telecommunications operator, or a person who is proposing to become either. "Nov 10 08:32
schestowitz 10 08:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Investigatory Powers (Technical Capability) Regulations 2018Nov 10 08:32
schestowitz 10 08:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TwitterNov 10 08:32
schestowitz Nov 10 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Assange Legal Team Submits Closing Argument Against ExtraditionNov 10 08:41
schestowitzvZS1: today's IRC posting with CIDs in it validated OKNov 10 08:46
schestowitzxhtml passed okNov 10 08:46
schestowitzafter changing the script a bitNov 10 08:46
schestowitzso I think we're no longer in a state of flux and can now fuse together all the scripts on the rapiNov 10 08:47
schestowitzlater I can put a cron job on it, if it weren't for need to enter passwordNov 10 08:47
vZS1Before you do thatNov 10 08:47
schestowitzI don't want to put any keys on the rapiNov 10 08:47
vZS1You might want to consider compressionNov 10 08:47
schestowitz(for direct access to main server)Nov 10 08:47
schestowitzBandwidthNov 10 08:48
schestowitzTotalIn: 4.3 GBNov 10 08:48
schestowitzTotalOut: 1.8 GBNov 10 08:48
schestowitz1-2gb a dayNov 10 08:48
schestowitzby compression you mean of datastore?Nov 10 08:49
schestowitzor in transit?Nov 10 08:49
vZS1Before you feed a file to IPFSNov 10 08:49
schestowitzThe indexes will soon grow, about 4000 objects per yearNov 10 08:49
vZS1Compress with xz (on your desktop).Nov 10 08:49
schestowitzbut then it cannot be accessed easilyNov 10 08:49
vZS1Fair enoughNov 10 08:50
vZS1Just saying it would reduce bandwidth load a fair bitNov 10 08:50
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schestowitzbut when it arrives it'll still be compressedNov 10 08:50
vZS1People using IPFS shouldn't have an issue decompressing a fileNov 10 08:51
vZS1But your files are smallNov 10 08:51
schestowitzfile sizes aren't the main concern to me, tbhNov 10 08:51
vZS1So it's not an issueNov 10 08:51
schestowitzthey're easily compressibleNov 10 08:52
schestowitzplain text, lots of repeating patterns in the textNov 10 08:52
vZS1Yep. Especially the IRC lossNov 10 08:52
vZS1logs*Nov 10 08:52
schestowitzbut I wonder, as it grows >1gbNov 10 08:52
schestowitzwill I be able to remove objects only from my local store?Nov 10 08:52
schestowitzwithout removing them from the 'blockchain'?Nov 10 08:52
vZS1Just say IPFSNov 10 08:53
schestowitzit all runs off a tiny microsd cardNov 10 08:53
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schestowitzalsoNov 10 08:53
schestowitzsomeone asked about freenetNov 10 08:53
vZS1As long as there are other peers pinningNov 10 08:53
schestowitz[22:41] <tr_guest|18> why IPFS and not Freenet?Nov 10 08:53
vZS1You shouldn't worry about itNov 10 08:53
schestowitzmaybe you could respond to that betterNov 10 08:53
schestowitz[23:02] <oiaohm> schestowitz: tr_guest|18:   There are not really many choices   freenet is lowest performing.    The maintained are Freenet, IPFS, Zeronet and dat.    Osiris, Maelstrom and Blockstack are basically dead. is the new on on the block don't know if that will last or not.Nov 10 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Peer-to-peer web hosting - WikipediaNov 10 08:54
vZS1Simple response. IPFS is a practical and working solution.Nov 10 08:54
schestowitzokNov 10 08:54
schestowitzback to my writingsNov 10 08:54
schestowitzlots queues for todayNov 10 08:54
schestowitzin the evening EPO stuffNov 10 08:54
schestowitzwe have lots of new docsNov 10 08:54
vZS1Working now is better than could be working laterNov 10 08:54
schestowitzbe sure to pass around, pin etc.Nov 10 08:54
schestowitzwe were slapped by them several times beforeNov 10 08:55
schestowitzbblNov 10 08:55
vZS1CyaNov 10 08:55
vZS1I'll pin the new stuff when I get back on my computerNov 10 08:55
oiaohmvZS1: there is a downside/upside to the ipfs  I gave the link for a reason.  If you want anonymous that freenet and zeronet.   All of the p2p webtechs still have the spoofing problems.Nov 10 08:58
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vZS1Pinned the new stuff. Nov 10 09:14
vZS1schestowitz: you can get Kingston USB3 memory sticks dirt cheap. Just pick up 2 and plug them into the Pi. They won't draw much current.Nov 10 09:16
vZS1rsync one of the sticks periodically as backup.Nov 10 09:16
vZS1Should be more than enough for TR's scale.Nov 10 09:18
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schestowitzhmmm..Nov 10 09:28
schestowitznot sure why I thought external backupNov 10 09:28
schestowitzthe fs size is small enough to just copy across to the machine already backed up periodicallyNov 10 09:29
oiaohmschestowitz: be careful not all Kingston memory sticks are created equal on speed or power draw.Nov 10 09:31
oiaohmHigher speed higher power draw.Nov 10 09:31
oiaohmIt is possible to exceed a default pi power provide.Nov 10 09:31
vZS1You could do that tooNov 10 09:32
vZS1But having attached storage comes with its own benefitsNov 10 09:32
oiaohm1.2A limit on USB ports of the PI can bite fast.Nov 10 09:33
oiaohmThat is everything plugged in.Nov 10 09:34
oiaohmKeyboard mouse and usb sticks.Nov 10 09:34
vZS1For now though, just transferring to your machine that already gets backed up is a good ideaNov 10 09:34
vZS1The setup I did for you is completely self-contained so you can just lift it and get back up again easilyNov 10 09:35
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vZS1Configuration so far is POSIX-compliantNov 10 09:37
vZS1So you can apply the manual I wrote for you in any of the BSDs as well.Nov 10 09:38
oiaohmThere are nas hats for the pi that take them out to bigger powersupplies or using powered USB switches again so you don't run short.Nov 10 09:38
vZS1I think that's important. We shouldn't have a hard dependency on any one OSNov 10 09:38
oiaohmOne of the most wrong things I have seen a person do to a poor PI is attempt to run a RGB keyboard that draws 2amps off it.Nov 10 09:39
oiaohmOf course the pi did not run.Nov 10 09:39
vZS1For future-proofing reasons, primarily.Nov 10 09:39
vZS1schestowitz: can't see URI for IPFS index in the bulletin version. Post with the pigeons. Don't know if lack of URI is intentional or accidental.Nov 10 10:04
vZS1Bulletin from 2020-11-08Nov 10 10:05
schestowitzwaitNov 10 10:19
schestowitzyou mean you want that page URL added at the top?Nov 10 10:19
schestowitzalongside with bulletins index URL?Nov 10 10:19
vZS1Not the topNov 10 10:31
vZS1There's mention of a URI without the URINov 10 10:31
vZS1Adjacent to itNov 10 10:31
vZS1So how would someone find the URI mentioned?Nov 10 10:31
schestowitzI don't quite followNov 10 10:32
schestowitzyou want CIDs inside the articles?Nov 10 10:32
vZS1Give me a second to explainNov 10 10:33
vZS1So there's a string that says "A full index_of_all_CIDs_is_being_maintained_here". But there's no URI that lets the reader know where "here" is.Nov 10 10:36
vZS1I don't know if it's intentional that you haven't put a URI adjacent to that string or not.Nov 10 10:36
schestowitzit's intentional in the sense that I wrote this for HTMLNov 10 10:37
schestowitznot for plain textNov 10 10:37
schestowitzwe could in principle make that bulletin have citations with [1] numbers .... ___ [1] URLNov 10 10:38
schestowitzI tried that initially but python2/3 incompatibility caused issuesNov 10 10:38
schestowitzhaving said thatNov 10 10:38
schestowitzfor full linksNov 10 10:38
vZS1No worries. Just highlighting the situation.Nov 10 10:39
schestowitzthe URLs of all the articles are at top of each bulletinNov 10 10:39
schestowitzin the order of appearance, tooNov 10 10:39
vZS1I didn't notice thatNov 10 10:39
vZS1Let me check. Nov 10 10:39
schestowitzI dont' want to write html as though the main target audience is blind (no images) and cannot press linksNov 10 10:39
vZS1I see instructions right at the top of the document but might be worth putting a TODO to generate plaintext versions with URIs next to where hyperlinks should be.Nov 10 10:42
vZS1I don't think any citation system is necessary. Just putting a URI in quotes next to the text that mentions said URI would be enough.Nov 10 10:43
schestowitzbut which ones?Nov 10 10:43
schestowitzcids?Nov 10 10:43
schestowitzor http?Nov 10 10:43
schestowitzsee, you need to know who's reading those and howNov 10 10:43
schestowitz[10:43] <vZS1> I don't think any citation system is necessary. Just putting a URI in quotes next to the text that mentions said URI would be enough.Nov 10 10:44
schestowitzmight be antithetical to our goal is leaving the wwwNov 10 10:44
schestowitzas it encourages people to open a web browserNov 10 10:44
schestowitzhere's one optionNov 10 10:45
schestowitzfor internal links, get dateNov 10 10:45
schestowitzit's part of the URLNov 10 10:45
schestowitze.g. President-elect #Biden is Already Being Shifted... to the Right โ€ข ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚ โ˜ž โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSWNov 10 10:45
schestowitzโ˜ž  2020/11/10/Nov 10 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shiftedโ€ฆ to the Right | TechrightsNov 10 10:45
schestowitzwe can then fetch the bulletin for that dayNov 10 10:45
schestowitzor write the expected filenameNov 10 10:45
schestowitzas they're consistently namedNov 10 10:45
schestowitzthan link to that date's URL or CIDNov 10 10:46
schestowitzthoughts?Nov 10 10:46
vZS1All I'm saying is that if you mention any content that lives somewhere on the internet, the address should be adjacent to it so a reader can just copy it and look it up. This is regardless of whether they look it up on web, IPFS, etc.Nov 10 10:47
vZS1Right now a reader has to view more than just the plaintext version to get all the mentioned content.Nov 10 10:47
vZS1i.e., the bulletin isn't entirely self-contained. So people have to go on a web browser anyway, to get all the content.Nov 10 10:48
schestowitz 10 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realneil3: Microsoft partners blame Linux for security vulnerabilities that arise from Microsoft backdoors 10 10:49
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schestowitzvZS1: they would need a browser regardless to open linksNov 10 10:50
vZS1This isn't about opening links. It's more about knowing what the link is in the first place.Nov 10 10:50
vZS1I hope that makes what I'm trying to say clearerNov 10 10:51
schestowitzit doesNov 10 10:56
schestowitzthis was  similar to what was originally intended BTWNov 10 10:56
schestowitzbut technical issues with python versions crept inNov 10 10:57
schestowitzI used something from pypi insteadNov 10 10:57
schestowitzit uses underlines to signify linksNov 10 10:57
schestowitzwithout showing full URLsNov 10 10:57
schestowitzshowing full URLs would be problematic regardless because of Daily LinksNov 10 10:57
vZS1That's alright. These things happen. I just wanted to bring it up.Nov 10 10:58
schestowitzunless we use footnotes with urls for each pertinent articleNov 10 10:58
schestowitzlike I said, want link? Open URL at the index aboveNov 10 10:58
schestowitzthat's what I made the index for and added text to clarify for each new errand readerNov 10 10:58
schestowitzthe links do exist, for attribution to sourceNov 10 10:58
schestowitzbut the links are all omitted, except at the top index, from all those pure text bulletinsNov 10 10:59
schestowitzit would not be text if it compels you to "click for more"Nov 10 10:59
vZS1I guess this setup you have now saves on clutter as wellNov 10 11:00
schestowitzthat tooNov 10 11:00
schestowitzI read almost all my news i kateNov 10 11:00
schestowitzit's cleanNov 10 11:01
schestowitzI look at textNov 10 11:01
vZS1As you get the TR links are all in the INDEXNov 10 11:01
schestowitzno images and hyperlinksNov 10 11:01
schestowitzI used to think/want features in text filesNov 10 11:01
schestowitzthat are absent Nov 10 11:01
schestowitzfrom todo.txtNov 10 11:01
schestowitzand these bulletinsNov 10 11:01
schestowitzlike directivesNov 10 11:02
schestowitze.g. click item in index to scroll downNov 10 11:02
schestowitztext files don't do thatNov 10 11:02
schestowitzunless there's some implicit support from the text editorNov 10 11:02
schestowitzlike understanding what an index is and then some text that explicitly says, "go to line XYZ"Nov 10 11:02
vZS1I think it's best we just stick to dumb plaintextNov 10 11:02
schestowitzthe URL can be enough to pull from Internet ArchiveNov 10 11:03
vZS1It's like reading a newspaperNov 10 11:03
schestowitzdude/reader: where's the PROOF?Nov 10 11:03
vZS1You just do the looking up manuallyNov 10 11:03
schestowitzDude: No link!Nov 10 11:03
schestowitzme: open the goddamn pageNov 10 11:03
vZS1lolNov 10 11:03
vZS1Going to get back to work now. Catch you later.Nov 10 11:04
schestowitzIn Daily Links, since last month, many headlines come with publication's name next to themNov 10 11:04
schestowitze.g. "How to blah on Linux distro -- The Linux Herald Tribune Inc."Nov 10 11:05
schestowitz(hence attribution by name rather than url, like in scholarly publications)Nov 10 11:06
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MinceR10 062915 < DaemonFC[m]> Or carelessly walked out a window for reasons unknown.Nov 10 12:31
MinceRputler reads too much BOFHNov 10 12:32
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schestowitzvZS1: Nov 10 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EU continues to push for lawful access (aka backdoors) to end-to-end encrypted dataNov 10 13:17
schestowitz 10 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ By adding/strapping on and piling up more and more crap -- even #drm these days (!!) -- into Web browsers companies try to just make it an operating system sans hardware drivers. This is all wrong. This is NOT a reader/renderer for Web pages. It's a Trojan horse, controlled remotely. Nov 10 13:22
vZS1The thing is, HTML, HTTP, these were all just meant to make sharing content easier. A web browser should just provide a pretty interface to data that a user wants.Nov 10 13:23
vZS1All this DRM nonsense only hurts publishers. That's why their stuff gets ripped and torrented.Nov 10 13:24
vZS1If you use DRM, you are treating all your customers like criminalsNov 10 13:24
vZS1Treating customers with respect and not assuming they're criminals helps. If you price reasonably, people will be much less likely to steal your property.Nov 10 13:26
vZS1And copyright/IP violators can be taken to court, if possible.Nov 10 13:27
vZS1We all know DRM doesn't work. Nov 10 13:28
vZS1In the technical senseNov 10 13:28
vZS1Don't treat your customers like criminals. That's what I say.Nov 10 13:29
vZS1Maybe they'll buy more of your stuff. Who knowsNov 10 13:29
MinceRDRM also harms ordinary paying customersNov 10 13:30
MinceRthey're the ones who will end up with the DRM-encrusted versionsNov 10 13:30
MinceRit also harms those who would produce player devices or software compatible with a DRM-encrusted formatNov 10 13:31
schestowitztrueNov 10 13:34
schestowitzI never dealt with DRMNov 10 13:34
schestowitz(afaik)Nov 10 13:34
oiaohm 10 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Digital Rights Management (DRM) market was valued at USD 2,948.7 million in 2019, and is expected to reach USD 6,033.7 million by 2025, registering a CAGR of 12.65%, during the forecast period 2020-2025Nov 10 13:44
oiaohmBe it we like it or not those selling DRM restricted content are seeing increasing purchases.Nov 10 13:44
schestowitz Nov 10 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Use a Mask, Use Tor: Friends of Tor Matching Donations up to $100,000 | Tor BlogNov 10 13:44
oiaohmI really was wishing consumers would not be buying in.Nov 10 13:45
schestowitzcon-soo-massNov 10 13:47
scientesit is WET and COLD outsideNov 10 13:48
scientesmiserableNov 10 13:48
vZS1DRM is possibly one of the worst things to invest in.Nov 10 13:50
vZS1But let them burn their moneyNov 10 13:51
scientesvZS1, if they are cold it might be a better idea to burn the moneyNov 10 13:51
vZS1MinceR: yep. It just hurts everyone. But good luck convincing some people. Penny wise, pound foolish.Nov 10 13:52
vZS1The only people that are getting rich off DRM are DRM "solution" providers. Nov 10 13:53
vZS1The snake oil salesmen of our timeNov 10 13:53
scientesi'd rather have the snake oilNov 10 13:54
scientesat least it burnsNov 10 13:54
MinceRwell, in a way, DRM-free sellers are also getting rich off DRM :>Nov 10 13:54
scientes^^^^Nov 10 13:54
MinceRby having DRM redirect business to themNov 10 13:54
vZS1True trueNov 10 13:54
vZS1DRM-free is a great label to have on your product.Nov 10 13:55
MinceR 10 13:55
scientes 10 13:57
scientesgeeze, lots of SEO in that urlNov 10 13:57
MinceR:)Nov 10 13:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google TranslateNov 10 14:49
smnthermes"Biden's racist past"Nov 10 14:50
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schestowitzsmnthermes: I knew there was something...Nov 10 14:58
schestowitzhe's more like republicanNov 10 14:58
schestowitzbut they attached him to obamaNov 10 14:58
schestowitzto hide thatNov 10 14:58
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DaemonFC[m]Making green beans in the slow cooker.Nov 10 15:12
DaemonFC[m]These oddly cut pieces of bacon are a lot less expensive, but they're greasier than Donald Trump.Nov 10 15:12
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schestowitz"A modest proposal: Rather than further soiling his legacy by persisting in pursuing baseless claims and lawsuits and continuing to demonstate a terrifying degree of mental instability, Trump should" resign 10 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Modest Proposal: Resign Now - CounterPunch.orgNov 10 15:29
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I got a phone call from a contact tracer who was following up about the library.Nov 10 16:07
DaemonFC[m]I told them they are ruining our economy and that they can go hell and I mean that in the nicest possible sense, and if I wasn't restraining myself I'd have more to say about what they could do while they were at it.Nov 10 16:08
DaemonFC[m]* go to hellNov 10 16:09
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DaemonFC[m]If these lockdowns don't end soon the Democrats will take more losses and missed opportunities.Nov 10 16:24
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DaemonFC[m]The Progressive platform isn't losing them winnable elections, it's constituents who don't like the lockdowns and frankly Biden would have done better. He eeked out a win because Trump is so despised. Nov 10 16:25
DaemonFC[m]Imagine what a stronger Democratic Party candidate would have done.Nov 10 16:25
DaemonFC[m]The Primary was a popularity contest but what happened with Biden was the result of Republicans crossing over either because he was more conservative or because they figured they would saddle us with the weakest candidate.Nov 10 16:26
DaemonFC[m]I think the states should start clamping down a bit on the primaries and make you start registering with a party.Nov 10 16:27
DaemonFC[m]It wouldn't stop the nonsense because in the states that do it, people can just switch parties, but fewer would bother.Nov 10 16:27
MinceRbut how will the "democrats" cheat at their own primaries then?Nov 10 16:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's public record in Indiana and Illinois which primary you voted in.Nov 10 16:28
DaemonFC[m]So I have years where I'm a Democrat or a Republican anyway and then I'm on every mailing list.Nov 10 16:29
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DaemonFC[m]The way they look at it is if you're wobbling back and forth you're an independent voter. Might as well try to persuade you.Nov 10 16:29
DaemonFC[m]But there's nothing you can do to persuade me unless you start by denouncing Trump and go from there.Nov 10 16:30
DaemonFC[m]And nobody did.Nov 10 16:30
DaemonFC[m]So the Republicans wasted their money.Nov 10 16:30
MinceR 10 16:30
MinceRthey wasted a lot more of your money :>Nov 10 16:30
DaemonFC[m]True.Nov 10 16:30
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scientesdo you ever wonder if you have your ass up your foot?Nov 10 16:33
schestowitz[16:07] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz I got a phone call from a contact tracer who was following up about the library.Nov 10 16:35
XRevan86MinceR: :DNov 10 16:35
schestowitzon what basis?Nov 10 16:35
schestowitzalso, how did they get your contact details?Nov 10 16:35
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CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: my opinion of you has improvedNov 10 16:43
CrystalMathi just wish you realized just how great Assange isNov 10 16:44
CrystalMathit's not that he's flawless...Nov 10 16:44
CrystalMathi remember how he misgendered CHelsea ManningNov 10 16:44
CrystalMathbut still, wikileaks did a lot of good for the worldNov 10 16:45
CrystalMathexposing the people that want to destroy privacyNov 10 16:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I left it for the library CEO while I was reading him the riot act about how stupid contact tracing is.Nov 10 16:49
DaemonFC[m]I told him I would refuse to use the library again until they stopped and then I went into a tirade about Overdrive.Nov 10 16:49
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DaemonFC[m]I support the restaurants who are defying the health department. The news didn't name which ones but if I knew I'd go eat at one of them. Fuck he health department.Nov 10 16:50
schestowitzyou can sometimes leave just landline numberNov 10 16:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm a fairly progressive Democrat if we're calling things here but contact tracing and lockdowns are insane. They're nuts.Nov 10 16:51
schestowitzin the US COVID is already out of controlNov 10 16:51
DaemonFC[m]We're getting fatter, which is a risk factor for COVID.Nov 10 16:52
schestowitzcontact tracing doesn't scaleNov 10 16:52
DaemonFC[m]People lose their jobs and commit suicide.Nov 10 16:52
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DaemonFC[m]And it's opening the door for more generalized spying on the public.Nov 10 16:52
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DaemonFC[m]It's the greatest gift to government spooks since terrorism.Nov 10 16:52
DaemonFC[m]The Health Department is basically the Democratic Machine's tool to level small business owners, which are mostly Republicans.Nov 10 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Selectively. It's part of the vendetta. They'll send the cops out to shut down the ones they don't want until they file bankruptcy.Nov 10 16:55
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats really have nothing to lose here. The giant corporations either do better under lockdown or at least have a war chest to survive and then they do better when they have no independent businesses to deal with.Nov 10 16:56
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Did you see the news about the "secret list"?Nov 10 16:58
DaemonFC[m]The Illinois state government accidentally turned over a classified report about thousands of outbreaks it had been tracking which was marked "Confidential - DO NOT SHARE"Nov 10 16:58
DaemonFC[m]The state is well aware of many outbreaks and it's very embarrassing because it pretty much totally undermines their "shut down the restaurants" bullshit.Nov 10 16:59
DaemonFC[m]It shows that most of them are happening at parties and churches, not restaurants and stores. Nov 10 16:59
schestowitzpeople eat at homeNov 10 17:03
schestowitzmany bring guestsNov 10 17:03
superkuhThat's because people that go to churches and parties are the type of be ignorant assholes.Nov 10 17:03
schestowitzand they don't clean the tables too wellNov 10 17:03
superkuhAt least during a pandemic.Nov 10 17:03
superkuhs/of be/to be/Nov 10 17:03
schestowitzgod will take care of the restNov 10 17:03
schestowitzdo your best, lucifer will do the restNov 10 17:04
DaemonFC[m]I referred to the health department as the "Health Department Brownshirts" in my review of the library.Nov 10 17:07
DaemonFC[m]That's what they're doing. They're going in and busting up people's businesses and ruining their lives because that's what The Party wants.Nov 10 17:07
DaemonFC[m]This is utter crap. We need a new viable political party. It has happened before.Nov 10 17:08
superkuh... because there's a pandemic going on.Nov 10 17:08
superkuhDid you forget?Nov 10 17:08
DaemonFC[m]Who the fuck even cares at this point?Nov 10 17:09
superkuhRight. I guess we can't communicate then.Nov 10 17:09
DaemonFC[m]I mean, we've totally lost control of it anyway.Nov 10 17:09
DaemonFC[m]At this point it's basically about damage control. What can you REASONABLY do to contain damage?Nov 10 17:09
DaemonFC[m]And a lockdown after you lose control is like trying to shut down a nuclear reactor that's already melted down by continuing to push buttons.Nov 10 17:10
DaemonFC[m]I mean it really sucks, I get it.Nov 10 17:11
DaemonFC[m]But at this point it's masks and hand sanitizer and hope to hell that someone puts out a vaccine that really works.Nov 10 17:11
DaemonFC[m]The only reason we're even trying to slow this down is to buy time for some people to get a vaccine and to not overload hospital wards with patient numbers that they can't possibly treat. Nov 10 17:12
superkuhThe best protection is not going places.Nov 10 17:12
superkuhI guess some people can't handle that responsibility.Nov 10 17:12
DaemonFC[m]But I'm an evidence-based person.Nov 10 17:12
DaemonFC[m]There's no evidence that what Illinois is doing is working any better, adjusted for population, than Indiana.Nov 10 17:12
DaemonFC[m]Or Iowa. Or Florida.Nov 10 17:12
superkuhYes. Because people like yourself have given up behaving properly and ignorant assholes never did.Nov 10 17:13
superkuhAll across the USA.Nov 10 17:13
superkuh"If they're not gonna do it, why should I?" And you're right. If people don't behave like sane adults what you do won't really help. But it is still best to be the change you want to see in the world.Nov 10 17:15
superkuhSame reason I still build websites without javascript. It won't help, but it's what's right.Nov 10 17:16
DaemonFC[m]I still use masks and hand sanitizer, but I do not agree with the lockdowns.Nov 10 17:17
superkuhI am unsure about lockdowns. But personally I have been behaving as if there is a lockdown since early Feb.Nov 10 17:17
DaemonFC[m]People shift behavior, and they poke holes in the system by suing to reopen the churches, and they throw house parties with dozens of people doing drugs and shit. Nov 10 17:17
DaemonFC[m]So the lockdowns don't do shit.Nov 10 17:17
superkuhBut you can still do the right then.Nov 10 17:18
superkuhs/then/thing/Nov 10 17:18
DaemonFC[m]You could totally remove the lockdowns and there'd be some increase but it wouldn't be what you'd think because people are still partying and going to church and inviting people they don't live over to have dinner and stuff.Nov 10 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Totally subverting the lockdown, but the businesses won't come back.Nov 10 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I think we have to take a balanced approach here. Nov 10 17:19
superkuhCan't control what other people do or what government does. I can only control what I do.Nov 10 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Balanced towards sensible precautions, but not these lockdowns. These lockdowns are doing permanent damage to the economy, to people's jobs that don't come back.Nov 10 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Maybe getting a virus that kind of sucks vs. definitely not paying the mortgage and grocery bill. Hmm.Nov 10 17:20
superkuhAnd I'm definitely not going to be buying from any restaurant.Nov 10 17:20
superkuhI personally think that people ordering delivery food are also being irresponsible.Nov 10 17:20
DaemonFC[m]I've changed my opinion on the lockdowns after seeing lack of good results.Nov 10 17:20
superkuhIt's hard to get people to give up primary rewards like food and sex though.Nov 10 17:21
DaemonFC[m]It's bang for your buck sort of thing.Nov 10 17:21
DaemonFC[m]If you take severe economic damage, it might be worth it to slow the spread 90%, but not if you can only slow it down 10 or 15%.Nov 10 17:21
superkuhMy local city's actions, 2 week shut-downs of businesses/schools, etc has a dramatic and immediate effect on case rate.Nov 10 17:22
superkuhThen after the 2 weeks it pops back up. :|Nov 10 17:22
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XRevan86 "from Old English ฤscian (โ€œaskโ€)"Nov 10 17:44
XRevan86 "from Old English axian (โ€œaskโ€)"Nov 10 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ask - WiktionaryNov 10 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | aks - WiktionaryNov 10 17:44
MinceR 10 17:49
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scientesXRevan86, did you see the press release by Putin of the peace deal?Nov 10 17:54
scientesits #10 on YouTube here  in GeorgiaNov 10 17:54
XRevan86scientes: Nay, I can pretty much guess what he says anyway.Nov 10 17:54
scientesthere will be Russia troops deployed to the region to enforce itNov 10 17:55
XRevan86Which makes no sense.Nov 10 17:55
XRevan86Armenia capitulated, Russia was on the Armenia's side implicitly.Nov 10 17:56
XRevan86Whom will the troops pacify? Azerbaijan who got what they wanted?Nov 10 17:57
scienteswhich side will the Russia troops get to have sex with? :)Nov 10 17:58
XRevan86I can only see this as a political stunt "look at me, I'm a peacekeeper, peace is happening on my watch"Nov 10 17:58
scientes 10 17:59
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XRevan86Which is not what Putin's tried to archieve judging from the past actions. Just saving face, eh.Nov 10 17:59
scientesyou are talking about other conflicts?Nov 10 18:00
XRevan86scientes: Well, I was talking specifically about this conflict, but more broadly also yesNov 10 18:00
scientesthey are letting China make all the moves in South America, and then just rubber-stamping themNov 10 18:01
scientesfrom what I could tellNov 10 18:01
XRevan86Here it looks like Putin just lost to Erdogan.Nov 10 18:02
XRevan86in a proxy warNov 10 18:02
scienteseverywhere I have visited China has a very clear aim and PR push that they will inherit the empireNov 10 18:02
scientesXRevan86, yeah that seem reasonableNov 10 18:03
scientesa higher trending video is a militaristic woman singing "Turkey+Azerbaijan"Nov 10 18:03
scientesand Azerbaijan repeatedly lied, and also hacked web sites and other shitNov 10 18:04
scientesin this video there was a little rememberance of Turkey's ethnic clensing of Kurds 10 18:07
vZS1superkuh: first time seeing sed scripts used for correcting IRC typosNov 10 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Traveled Back in Time... (Surprise Trip!) - YouTubeNov 10 18:07
XRevan86scientes: It is what it is, I guess.Nov 10 18:07
superkuhI prefer to think in perl compatible regular expressions.Nov 10 18:08
scientesXRevan86, that is what I liked about that video I just shared, he has the same attitude "it is what it is"Nov 10 18:08
XRevan86scientes: I don't know what other attitude to have in a conflict where the only driving force is ambition.Nov 10 18:11
scientesyeah!Nov 10 18:11
scientesThat kinda summarizes my problem with somewhat distant exposure to muslim cultures. It's the vanity.Nov 10 18:12
vZS1 PCRENov 10 18:13
MinceRseems to be typical of abrahamics in generalNov 10 18:13
vZS1Black magicNov 10 18:13
MinceR"chosen people" and all that bullshitNov 10 18:13
MinceRprobably monotheism in generalNov 10 18:13
MinceR"only god", "only truth"Nov 10 18:13
scientesnahNov 10 18:13
XRevan86scientes: Russia is mostly not Muslim, how would you describe it?Nov 10 18:14
XRevan86"repeatedly lied, and also hacked web sites and other shit"Nov 10 18:14
scienteswell I just saw the claim they took shushan, and I just thought "I can't trust anything anymore"Nov 10 18:15
scientesbut aparently they actually took itNov 10 18:15
scientesbut you summarized it better: ambitionNov 10 18:15
XRevan86They have, yes.Nov 10 18:15
scientesyou definitely see that ambition in Tolstoy's War and PeaceNov 10 18:16
vZS1superkuh: used Raku?Nov 10 18:16
XRevan86scientes: You can see it everywhere.Nov 10 18:16
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superkuhvZS1, no. Never got into that. I'm still on 5.10 on this machine.Nov 10 18:17
superkuhGlad we can finally ignore Raku as something other than Perl.Nov 10 18:17
scientesXRevan86, cajonesNov 10 18:18
vZS1I've always seen it as another language. I feel like the people confused about the name never actually bothered to use it.Nov 10 18:18
XRevan86superkuh: I'd say it's nicer than Perl5.Nov 10 18:18
vZS1Depends on your definition of nicerNov 10 18:19
vZS1It's differentNov 10 18:19
XRevan86And also horrible in a very Perl way, which is probably a plus for you :)Nov 10 18:19
scientesXRevan86, I think the bigger issue to me is how convenient it is to ignore important things for the sake of expedienceNov 10 18:20
scientesand just pretend bad news doesn't existNov 10 18:20
vZS1I like itNov 10 18:20
superkuhWhat is important for me is that my huge library of perl scripts not stop working or require changes.Nov 10 18:20
scienteslike those blinders in The Handmaid TaleNov 10 18:20
scientesI don't say this dismally eitherNov 10 18:21
vZS1Just freeze time in a VMNov 10 18:21
vZS1Problem solvedNov 10 18:21
XRevan86superkuh: Perl7 might happen, but you can make some reasonable changes now and be safe whatever happens. If you haven't already.Nov 10 18:21
XRevan86scientes: It's impossible to see the whole picture, so everyone is ignorant in their own way.Nov 10 18:22
scientesbut I am talking about denial because to accept would require changing one's identityNov 10 18:23
XRevan86scientes: Right.Nov 10 18:23
scientesI guess ambition is essential for getting anything doneNov 10 18:23
scientesso this is just the logical resolution of thatNov 10 18:24
XRevan86scientes: But it's also hard to justify something when the only thing behind it is "I want this".Nov 10 18:26
scientesbut people do it all the time!Nov 10 18:26
XRevan86"why did you kill this person?" โ€“ "I want his land." โ€“ "ah, makes sense, good day to you, sir"Nov 10 18:26
scientessupposedly there were spontaneous demonstrations in support of the azerbaijani warNov 10 18:26
scientesyet very few people actually signed up for the militaryNov 10 18:26
scientesXRevan86, but is that not better than the inevitable lies?Nov 10 18:27
XRevan86scientes: They do, but international politics are more complicated now, so getting away with just messing with the neighbours is much harder now.Nov 10 18:27
XRevan86scientes: I don't think there will be any consequences to any aggression here.Nov 10 18:28
XRevan86So it is what it is.Nov 10 18:28
scientes"international politics are more complicated now"---I don't think so Nov 10 18:28
XRevan86Technically Azerbaijan reclaimed their own territory, but also, they started a war just because, and that should have consequences.Nov 10 18:29
XRevan86And Turkey for giving the necessary support to start this war.Nov 10 18:30
scientesthe Turkey thing is very disturbingNov 10 18:32
XRevan86Turkey is part of NATO, but somehow I don't think NATO will pressure them even a little bit.Nov 10 18:32
scientesNATO hardly exists right now, like the EUNov 10 18:33
scientesthe shenghen agreement got shreddedNov 10 18:33
scientesuggh shenzhen != schengenNov 10 18:33
XRevan86scientes: With Trump escorted out that might change.Nov 10 18:34
scientesdoesn't change the shredding of the schengen zoneNov 10 18:34
XRevan86I mean the NATO bit.Nov 10 18:34
scientesand all the nationalization that happened in EuropeNov 10 18:34
scientesif there was a war I don't think anyone would show upNov 10 18:34
scientesthese countries are not really capable ofitNov 10 18:35
scientesGermany isn't even capable of building an airportNov 10 18:35
scientes 10 18:35
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XRevan86scientes: I heard of it.Nov 10 18:35
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DaemonFC[m]Okay, I have internet again.Nov 10 18:48
DaemonFC[m]Catching up with OS updates.Nov 10 18:48
scientes I am watching this video and I can't but notice that they did not follow the #1 rule of guns "always assume it is loaded".Nov 10 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Ultra Orthodox vs. The IDF: Israel's Other Religious War - YouTubeNov 10 18:49
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XRevan86scientes: Religious nutjobs making a mess, what's new?Nov 10 18:51
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scientesI am just thinking "that interviewer is an idiot"Nov 10 18:53
XRevan86conscription also sucksNov 10 18:53
scientesdude, that gun is pointed right at you!Nov 10 18:53
XRevan86It's the government "okay, stop your life, now you're going to a colony, just because"Nov 10 18:53
scientesXRevan86, it is a big reason why the Jehovah Witnesses get a tough time in RussiaNov 10 18:54
scienteswell, to be fair, the JW are OK with mandatory civil service, which has the "stop your life" partNov 10 18:54
scientesthe UAE launched a MARS probeNov 10 18:55
XRevan86 a mapNov 10 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Countries With Mandatory Military Service 2020Nov 10 18:55
scientesthat is alot cooler than their silly real estate prrojectsNov 10 18:55
scientes 10 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | National Space Programme - The Official Portal of the UAE GovernmentNov 10 18:56
scientesnice domain nameNov 10 18:57
XRevan86(another misuse of the Mercator projection map)Nov 10 18:57
scientesXRevan86, you should start a "Russians for use of Mercator projection" groupNov 10 18:57
XRevan86scientes: "Russia is 1/4'th of the world!"Nov 10 18:58
scientes 10 18:58
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XRevan86scientes: And get an alliance with the "Greenlandians for use of Mercator projection" groupNov 10 18:59
scientes 10 19:00
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scientes^^pretty awesome coverage of GreenlandNov 10 19:00
scientesThis UAE launch is pretty awesomeNov 10 19:01
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DaemonFC[m]The idea of French imperialism is rather funny.Nov 10 19:07
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Hm?Nov 10 19:07
DaemonFC[m]Out of all of the countries to engage in Colonialism.Nov 10 19:08
XRevan86Why not?Nov 10 19:08
DaemonFC[m]The French doing it is rather hard to take seriously.Nov 10 19:08
XRevan86They got lots of colonies in Africa.Nov 10 19:08
scientesand in this animation again they show the escape orbit as "going up" Nov 10 19:08
scientesugggh, why do they perpetuate thisNov 10 19:08
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but who doesn't?Nov 10 19:08
scientes"there is no GPS in deep space"Nov 10 19:09
scientesoh geezeNov 10 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Even outside of Africa, majority black areas are administered like a colony.Nov 10 19:09
scientesalso, it probably gets a boost from the moon, and they don't say anything about propulsionNov 10 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Consider south Chicago.Nov 10 19:10
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Why is it funny though?Nov 10 19:10
scientes"when it gets close to mars it will have to use its thrusters as breaks"---this is just completely wrongNov 10 19:10
XRevan86France wanted a slice of that colonial pie, they got it.Nov 10 19:10
DaemonFC[m]You've got black neighborhoods in Chicago that have been that way for 100 years or more and white people can't just be happy with what they've got.Nov 10 19:10
XRevan86And then they lost it pretty much when everyone else has.Nov 10 19:11
scienteshmm, I am only getting one side of this conversationNov 10 19:11
XRevan86scientes: You ignore DaemonFC.Nov 10 19:11
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: That's not really colonial, it's ghetto-like.Nov 10 19:12
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DaemonFC[m]Well, Colonial and Ghetto you know, like the Palestinian areas in Israel, kind of.Nov 10 19:16
DaemonFC[m]With the Jewish settlements going in all the time.Nov 10 19:16
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scientesI find it annoying that space agencies are all about press, and the only place you get some real equations is xkcdNov 10 19:18
scientesespecially how they contribute to the confusionNov 10 19:18
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scientesI guess the avoid the equations that point out what a PITA rocket science isNov 10 19:25
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scientesThe peacekeeping contingent will remain for a period of five years, with automatic extensions for five year periods if neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan โ€˜declares six months before the expiration of the period of intention to terminate the application of this provisionโ€™.Nov 10 19:27
scientesgeezeNov 10 19:27
scientes5 yearsNov 10 19:27
scientesGeorgian-Abkhazian movie 10 19:31
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scientesuggh, I need to keep practicing my RussianNov 10 19:33
CrystalMathi hope this is fake news: 10 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Union Moves to Ban Encrypted Messaging Apps Like WhatsAppNov 10 19:56
DaemonFC[m]Comcast gave me free tv streaming of some sort.Nov 10 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Watching one of those History Channel things about swords.Nov 10 20:14
DaemonFC[m]This is not how you would swing a sword in a swordfight.Nov 10 20:14
DaemonFC[m]That would be putting more strength into it, but you'd be too slow.Nov 10 20:14
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schestowitzbrietbart thinks  whatsapp is "encryption"Nov 10 20:20
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schestowitzwell, between you and facebookNov 10 20:20
schestowitzthe state just goes to facebook for access to the commsNov 10 20:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Things We Love About the New Galago Pro []Nov 10 20:24
MinceRbreitbart are idiots, film at 11Nov 10 20:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76 bring back the Galago Pro with Intel Xe and NVIDIA GPU options โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž []Nov 10 20:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž []Nov 10 20:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: exFAT File-System Performance On Linux 5.9 โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž []Nov 10 20:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Eleven Years of Go โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž []Nov 10 20:34
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schestowitzand idiots who read breitbart uses Facebook and WhatsAppNov 10 20:37
schestowitzthink it's secureNov 10 20:37
schestowitzand then get arrested for domestic terrorism or whatnotNov 10 20:37
schestowitzApparently FB is very friendly towards such sitesNov 10 20:38
schestowitzwhereas Zucky signed off orders to throttle and ban left-leaning sites, this was in the news earlier this week...Nov 10 20:38
schestowitzit helps get people "engaged" when there are P-C toxic people in thereNov 10 20:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation Outsources Events and โ€˜LF Liveโ€™ to Proprietary Software With Back Doors and Surveillance (Zoom) []Nov 10 21:02
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schestowitzvZS1: LF = zoomNov 10 21:05
schestowitzvZS1:  any further ipfs suggestions for the daily digests would helpNov 10 21:05
schestowitzas 1) I don't know how the dweb/ipfs community "digests" newsNov 10 21:05
schestowitz2) there may still be bugs that I'm unable to spot/understandNov 10 21:05
vZS1Will need to think about it.Nov 10 21:07
vZS1We just consume indexes. That's about itNov 10 21:07
vZS1Don't think about it too much. You got the basic workflow going. That's good enough for now.Nov 10 21:09
vZS1I'll get some Git-related automation going, when I get the time.Nov 10 21:10
vZS1Will ping you when it's readyNov 10 21:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Health information of thousands of people in Lake County accidentally releasedNov 10 21:15
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vZS1Every time I see LF, I just want to barfNov 10 21:36
schestowitzFrom EPO union:Nov 10 21:48
schestowitz"Nov 10 21:48
schestowitzWe used to have, as all other international organisations, a salary adjustment procedure. Nov 10 21:48
schestowitzThe President is taking advantage of the Coronavirus crisis for rushing through an ill-conceived and detrimental salary adjustment procedure, which does not deserve that name. It is rather a salary erosion procedure.Nov 10 21:48
schestowitzYour staff representatives have made a lot of efforts and have proposed compromise solutions (4 detailed and written proposals). All to no avail. All have been disregarded and discredited. Management is only pursuing a brutal solution with the help of costly consultants who have no clue about the salary environment in International Organisations.  Nov 10 21:48
schestowitzWe are still open to discuss a reasonable compromise. But we refuse to be used as fig leaves if the President wants a to introduce a salary erosion procedure which is there only to cut your purchasing power as a result of a social monologue.Nov 10 21:48
schestowitzRead more here.Nov 10 21:48
schestowitz Nov 10 21:48
schestowitzYour SUEPO Central CommitteeNov 10 21:48
schestowitz"Nov 10 21:48
vZS1ChristNov 10 21:48
vZS1Re: zoom. Most people can host any number of conference software  quite easily on their personal computer.Nov 10 21:57
vZS1Mumble is a great alternative if VoIP is all you're after.Nov 10 21:58
schestowitzyes, mumble is greatNov 10 21:59
schestowitzand has private key for e2e encNov 10 21:59
vZS1It's quite slick as well. Runs without consuming too much juiceNov 10 22:00
vZS1People don't even need to set up DNS to get this stuff workingNov 10 22:02
vZS1Tbh, I'm not a fan of doing anything work related in a non-text format.Nov 10 22:05
vZS1People just faff on about irrelevant nonsenseNov 10 22:05
vZS1VoIP is great for social stuff like gaming and parties and whatnotNov 10 22:06
vZS1But for getting real work done, nothing beats a good old-fashioned thread.Nov 10 22:07
oiaohmZoom has a long list of security problems.Nov 10 22:07
vZS1And you don't need to worry about things like minutes of a meeting if it's done via a forum or something similarNov 10 22:09
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vZS1 10 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Making Butter By Hand (no, really) - YouTubeNov 10 22:32
schestowitzvZS1: quick questionNov 10 22:32
schestowitzBandwidthNov 10 22:33
schestowitzTotalIn: 5.2 GBNov 10 22:33
schestowitzTotalOut: 2.1 GBNov 10 22:33
schestowitzRateIn: 26 kB/sNov 10 22:33
schestowitzRateOut: 2.4 kB/sNov 10 22:33
schestowitzhow does one interpret thisNov 10 22:33
schestowitz1) is this traffic also for objects other than ours? If so, I don't see many stored locally on the face of itNov 10 22:33
schestowitzuntil we locally store very few and serve to manyNov 10 22:33
vZS1Don't forget DHT trafficNov 10 22:33
schestowitz2) it seems like the pace of increase is more or less constantNov 10 22:33
vZS1Peers and all thatNov 10 22:33
schestowitzOK, for that I'll need to do more readingNov 10 22:34
schestowitzI saw some people who read techrights pick up ipfs themselvesNov 10 22:34
schestowitzso let's hope it spreadsNov 10 22:34
vZS1It shouldn't take longNov 10 22:34
vZS1Especially for consumersNov 10 22:34
schestowitzweb fatigue is growingNov 10 22:34
schestowitzyou can read the site from a text editor of the CLINov 10 22:35
schestowitzliterally from the terminalNov 10 22:35
vZS1Yep. That's what I doNov 10 22:35
vZS1I look at the index and then just copy the object CID I wantNov 10 22:35
vZS1`ipfs cat CID | less`Nov 10 22:36
schestowitzthe /txt address is supposed to simplify this, easy to remember what to accessNov 10 22:36
vZS1YeahNov 10 22:36
vZS1That's why I said getting that plaintext index is very importantNov 10 22:36
schestowitztest:Nov 10 22:36
schestowitz 10 22:36
vZS1I've been reading the bulletin only through the terminal, the last couple daysNov 10 22:36
schestowitzI guess no <title>, so bot does nothingNov 10 22:37
schestowitzthe 'page' is served as just txt, as intendedNov 10 22:37
schestowitzphp does thisNov 10 22:37
schestowitzfor the encoding to be utf-8Nov 10 22:37
schestowitzit has some php code for thatNov 10 22:37
schestowitzsame as 10 22:38
schestowitzI replicated the method acrossNov 10 22:38
vZS1Don't forget to tell people to pinNov 10 22:39
vZS1I've got a full mirror of the everything in the index.Nov 10 22:39
schestowitzit says that since Sunday we've had over 2,500 hits on /txtNov 10 22:39
schestowitzbased on apache logNov 10 22:39
vZS1That's up 100%Nov 10 22:39
vZS1CoolNov 10 22:39
schestowitzipfs/txt at 391 hitsNov 10 22:40
schestowitzbut that's very newNov 10 22:40
vZS1Of your server goes down for whatever reason, you have my email. Just send me an updated index and I'll add any pins I'm missing.Nov 10 22:40
schestowitzHTML /ipfs 6000+ hitsNov 10 22:41
schestowitzsince SundayNov 10 22:41
schestowitzpart of Sunday anywayNov 10 22:41
schestowitzI am checking email nowNov 10 22:41
schestowitzmight take a wholeNov 10 22:41
schestowitz*whileNov 10 22:41
vZS1Don't worry about it. No rush.Nov 10 22:41
vZS1I just let you know when I send you things. Think of it like manual notifications. LolNov 10 22:42
schestowitzit's not helping tbhNov 10 22:42
schestowitzas it creates mental overloadNov 10 22:42
schestowitzthat's why I do not check mail more than once a dayNov 10 22:42
schestowitzso I prefer to know about it only when I deal with itNov 10 22:42
vZS1Guess you work differently. Nov 10 22:43
schestowitz 10 22:43
vZS1When I get a notification, I make note in my calendar to deal with itNov 10 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ ยป Blog Archive ยป Want to be Efficient? Disable Notifications. Read and Reply in Large Batches.Nov 10 22:43
vZS1Otherwise I forget. Nov 10 22:43
schestowitzmost notifications are junkNov 10 22:43
schestowitzyou cannot properly rank importance/urgencyNov 10 22:43
vZS1I've silenced all the junkNov 10 22:43
schestowitzif you found a wayNov 10 22:44
schestowitzI made a special inbox for known sendersNov 10 22:44
schestowitzwith about 50 rules in itNov 10 22:44
vZS1I don't use social control media. That's about 70% junk dispensed.Nov 10 22:45
vZS1All notifications go off when I'm working. Phone silenced.Nov 10 22:46
vZS1Only thing that stays on is my break timer.Nov 10 22:46
schestowitzread messageNov 10 22:49
schestowitzthank youNov 10 22:49
vZS1YwNov 10 22:49
schestowitzwill handle with careNov 10 22:49
vZS1Looking forward to today's bulletin.Nov 10 22:49
vZS1I usually read it while I'm having breakfast.Nov 10 22:49
vZS1I don't really visit the site anymoreNov 10 22:50
vZS1Prefer just using the terminalNov 10 22:50
schestowitzwill back up raspi soonNov 10 22:50
schestowitzover rsync or similarNov 10 22:50
schestowitzno downtime or manual handling neededNov 10 22:50
schestowitzi won't get a soldering gun any sooner than dec 2ndNov 10 22:51
vZS1Rsync is definitely a good oneNov 10 22:51
schestowitzeven then friends are not safe to meetNov 10 22:51
schestowitzscp phased outNov 10 22:51
vZS1Re: meeting friends. Good idea. As much as I'd like to hang out with my mates, it's not going to happen until after lockdown. For everyone's safety.Nov 10 22:52
schestowitzre Biden-McCainNov 10 22:53
schestowitz>> maybe convert it regardless for future use?Nov 10 22:53
schestowitz> Ok.  It's a 10-second clip.Nov 10 22:53
schestowitz> Nov 10 22:53
schestowitz>> will focus on riaa/freeswNov 10 22:53
schestowitz> Excellent.  I suppose RIAA is also up to more bad things than usual ofNov 10 22:53
schestowitz> late.Nov 10 22:53
schestowitzWe can use this to motivate migrations away from GitHub, which is a HIGH PRIORITY cause.Nov 10 22:53
vZS1Scp is only really good for small jobs. Quickly moving a file or directory, interactively. Rsync is superior for backups. Especially because of the incremental functionality.Nov 10 22:53
schestowitzI think last time I met a friend outside was months agoNov 10 22:53
schestowitzfor shotputNov 10 22:53
schestowitzwhen new cases were about 500 a dayNov 10 22:53
vZS1I meet up with my best mate once every week or twoNov 10 22:54
schestowitzmy wife is my best friend, soNov 10 22:54
schestowitzno real urgency in meeting others tbhNov 10 22:54
vZS1It's more like family for me thoughNov 10 22:54
schestowitzand the people in the gym are safe to talk to from a distanceNov 10 22:54
vZS1Most projects can run off an old laptopNov 10 22:55
vZS1Just install Git, bugzilla, and set up DNS.Nov 10 22:55
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vZS1One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. ๐Ÿ˜‚Nov 10 22:56
schestowitz> Excellent.  I suppose RIAA is also up to more bad things than usual ofNov 10 22:56
schestowitz> late.Nov 10 22:56
schestowitzI linked to the whole McCain speech if someone wants to hear platitudes, but I think it would do more harm than good to reproduce a lot of the thing; the teaser was sufficient for making the point (he ran AGAINST MaCain in 2008... so much for 'opposition').Nov 10 22:56
vZS1It still cracks me up. Even though it's not something I should be laughing atNov 10 22:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] For Free Software to be Freedom-Respecting Its Development and Distribution Need to be Decentralised and Widely Distributed, Not Centralised and Monopolised by Microsoftโ€™s GitHub | TechrightsNov 10 22:57
schestowitzyes, bugzilla still worksNov 10 22:57
schestowitzI thought about using it for personal useNov 10 22:57
schestowitzbut unless there are many people involved, it's overkillNov 10 22:57
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vZS1The big problem is the myth that you need to scale like Google to run a projectNov 10 22:57
schestowitztodo.txt with indentation is usually enoughNov 10 22:57
vZS1Hope many projects get that big though?Nov 10 22:57
schestowitzour git server is on the server itselfNov 10 22:58
vZS1Even then, computers are dirt cheap nowNov 10 22:58
schestowitzused locally over sshNov 10 22:58
vZS1It's the assumption that GitHub has sold to peopleNov 10 22:58
vZS1That you need 100% uptimeNov 10 22:58
schestowitzThe McCain thing is here BTW;Nov 10 22:58
schestowitz 10 22:58
schestowitz10-sec clipNov 10 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shiftedโ€ฆ to the Right | TechrightsNov 10 22:58
vZS1And huge serversNov 10 22:59
schestowitzthere's your new and "good" president...Nov 10 22:59
schestowitzGitHub has 0% uptimeNov 10 22:59
schestowitzfor youtube-dlNov 10 22:59
schestowitzand all its mirrorsNov 10 22:59
schestowitzinc. future branches/fosksNov 10 22:59
schestowitzgithub... so reliableNov 10 22:59
schestowitzif Dodd/Biden/Nadella/Brad Smith can farm youNov 10 23:00
vZS1And guess whatNov 10 23:00
vZS1If you have your own Git serverNov 10 23:00
vZS1You have unlimited minutes of CI!Nov 10 23:00
schestowitzlolNov 10 23:00
schestowitzminutesNov 10 23:00
schestowitzwelcome back mainframes and computer timeNov 10 23:00
schestowitzwatch some adsNov 10 23:00
schestowitzwe'll exchange them for "time"Nov 10 23:00
schestowitzlike youtube doesNov 10 23:00
schestowitzwe only use nowNov 10 23:01
schestowitz"BUT YoUTUbe is FrEEEEE"Nov 10 23:01
vZS1I haven't heard of that oneNov 10 23:01
vZS1I stumbled across PeerTube, not long ago.Nov 10 23:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: message to youNov 10 23:02
schestowitz>> Nobody screwed with the election except Trump.Nov 10 23:02
schestowitz> Nov 10 23:02
schestowitz> Not true. Nobody screwed with the bi-partisan battle except Trump.Nov 10 23:02
schestowitz> Though if we get into details that also isn't true-- the reason we haveNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> news of Trump but not of Dems is that Dems did nothing new.Nov 10 23:02
schestowitz> Nov 10 23:02
schestowitz> If you had my contacts in the Green Party you'd know that DemsNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> interfered with the election as well. But don't expect them to admit toNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> rigging (people at RIAAn's level don't even know about it anyway, andNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> also don't care) any sooner than Trump would admit to being the worstNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> American leader since George III. Of course RIAAn would think thatNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> whoever rigs the election less is innocent, because he thinks it's aNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> zero sum game. Anybody who rigs the election is guilty, and IMO unfitNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> for election. But then we differ on a lot of things, like whether bothNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> sides should be accountable. RIAAn doesn't like SJW censors like MJG,Nov 10 23:02
schestowitz> but when it comes to voter suppression he turns into someone just likeNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> him-- referring to voters as "trolls" is *exactly* the sort of thingNov 10 23:02
schestowitz> that Daniel complains about constantly, and I can't blame Daniel for that.Nov 10 23:03
schestowitzvZS1: debian financial supports peeetube nowNov 10 23:03
schestowitzwith excess SPI fundsNov 10 23:03
schestowitzfrom Google et alNov 10 23:03
schestowitzas events were canceledNov 10 23:03
schestowitzthey did webstreams  insteadNov 10 23:03
vZS1InterestingNov 10 23:03
schestowitzand need something other than mass uploads to GoogleNov 10 23:03
schestowitzwhich they still do BTWNov 10 23:03
schestowitzGoogle is their biggest sponsorNov 10 23:03
schestowitzand they outsources some of their CI to Google serversNov 10 23:03
schestowitzas if it's OK because "not Bezos/Ballmer"Nov 10 23:03
vZS1They have almost $1 milNov 10 23:04
vZS1They can afford their own serversNov 10 23:04
vZS1They = DebianNov 10 23:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: also this (you are "RIAAn" apparently... Ryan)Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> Eventually I think you will discover that my enemy is not RIAAn, it isNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> his bullshit and propaganda. This is an historic moment, and I don'tNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> intend to be silent about it anymore than the traitors are.Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> I don't care about fighting RIAAn, I don't care about RIAAn "winning"Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> because he won't win anything that he didn't have already. He isn't theNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> fight itself.Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> But I will pin his *propaganda and his bullshit rhetoric* to the ground,Nov 10 23:05
schestowitz> and leave that full of bigger holes than it started with. RIAAn can doNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> whatever the hell pleases him, but I eat fake left corporate propagandaNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> for breakfast. As for RIAAn, he's a dick, but you can only say that soNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> many times. To wit, I'm already bored with Torvalds. Torvalds is aNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> bigger traitor to OUR cause than RIAAn ever will be. But I'll stillNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> attack  his bullshit. You won't be able to tell just yet, but when youNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> hear less and less about it then you'll know I've grown bored with it. INov 10 23:05
schestowitz> don't just sit here and talk to myself, after all. If I'm talking, it'sNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> to somebody. I know you don't have much to say directly, and I knowNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> where it goes. Also the latest articles leave me with very little toNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> write about it, and that's great for me. I'm very happy to let otherNov 10 23:05
schestowitz> people speak for me, when what I would say myself isn't any different.Nov 10 23:05
schestowitzvZS1: but where to host? what dc?Nov 10 23:05
schestowitzwhat country?Nov 10 23:05
vZS1In assuming that's sarcasmNov 10 23:07
vZS1I'm*Nov 10 23:07
schestowitzmost devs are European, IIRCNov 10 23:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: this:Nov 10 23:07
schestowitz> ROFL.Nov 10 23:07
schestowitz> Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> Literally the only thing short of revolution that could bringNov 10 23:08
schestowitz> non-corporate, for-the-people democracy back ever again, and he wouldNov 10 23:08
schestowitz> vote against it. It's not RIAAn, it's RIAAn, Inc. He's not a person,Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> he's a corporate person. What the fuck does he think he's doing here? IfNov 10 23:08
schestowitz> I was Google, I would consider this guy the perfect weapon. Move over,Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> MJG. Here is your only begotten son!Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> DaemonFC[m]Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> The Illinois Constitution requires that voters be asked at least onceNov 10 23:08
schestowitz> every 20 years if they want a constitutional convention.Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> Nov 09 03:19Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> < 10 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, November 09, 2020Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> 09 03:19:35>Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> DaemonFC[m]Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> I think the next time is 2030 or something.Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> Nov 09 03:19Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> < 10 23:08
schestowitz> 09 03:19:47>Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> DaemonFC[m]Nov 10 23:08
schestowitz> I'll vote no.Nov 10 23:08
vZS1The fundamental issue though is small projects. Those are and always will be the most numerous. And pretty much all of them can be run on low-spec hardware.Nov 10 23:10
schestowitzvZS1: should I invert the order of ?Nov 10 23:12
schestowitzwhat is better, latest last or first?Nov 10 23:12
schestowitznot sure if you use some software to parse theseNov 10 23:12
vZS1I just hack shell pipelinesNov 10 23:13
vZS1Because it's fast and simpleNov 10 23:13
schestowitzokNov 10 23:13
vZS1My friend does the sameNov 10 23:13
vZS1That's the benefit of the simple layoutNov 10 23:14
vZS1`cut -d ' ' -f 1 < txt` spits out all the CIDsNov 10 23:14
vZS1And I track the index in GitNov 10 23:15
vZS1So I just add the new CIDs nowNov 10 23:15
schestowitzmaybe we should add pipelines at the back endNov 10 23:16
schestowitzto present output in other formsNov 10 23:16
schestowitzI have some php stuff at handNov 10 23:16
vZS1Up to you. I'm happy with the dumb versionNov 10 23:16
schestowitzokNov 10 23:16
schestowitzno need then I guessNov 10 23:16
schestowitzwould complicate maintenanceNov 10 23:16
vZS1And consumptionNov 10 23:16
schestowitzwith spiders out thereNov 10 23:17
schestowitzseems a significant proportion of our 100mb of daily apache logs are spidersNov 10 23:17
schestowitzbut I'm not sure what %Nov 10 23:17
schestowitzI rarely check any stats, focusing on material to publish is a lot more importantNov 10 23:18
schestowitzI'll generate the daily files in an hourNov 10 23:18
vZS1At least us peers are alleviating some of thatNov 10 23:18
schestowitzwell, if they pick up momentumNov 10 23:18
schestowitzI saw the number 22,000 regarding # of ipfs nodesNov 10 23:18
schestowitzis that correct?Nov 10 23:18
vZS1No ideaNov 10 23:18
schestowitzhow many people worldwide use itNov 10 23:18
vZS1Haven't got a clueNov 10 23:19
schestowitzand how do people discover things of interest?Nov 10 23:19
schestowitzSometimes asked me that this weekNov 10 23:19
schestowitzand I don't know how to answerNov 10 23:19
schestowitzsay I want to stay only on ipfs and use the stuff of interest to me on itNov 10 23:19
vZS1Usually they just look for CID indexes on sites they like to followNov 10 23:19
schestowitzlike searching with an engine for ipfs objectsNov 10 23:19
schestowitzare there CID "aggregators"?Nov 10 23:19
schestowitzlike text files with "today's python news"?Nov 10 23:20
schestowitzand, if so, where?Nov 10 23:20
vZS1Private only probablyNov 10 23:20
schestowitzwhere does one find indices?Nov 10 23:20
schestowitzor get added to any?Nov 10 23:20
vZS1I know one big private one but I can't really disclose involvement in that projectNov 10 23:20
schestowitza sea of objects  with nothing tying them together would be less attractive to new adoptersNov 10 23:20
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vZS1Well. It isn't exactly a private index. But the development is private.Nov 10 23:21
vZS1You have to think of it like early days of BitTorrentNov 10 23:21
vZS1It will take time before big indexers get off the groundNov 10 23:22
vZS1For example PirateBay. It's just a glorified index of magnet links Nov 10 23:22
vZS1The whole concept of IPFS is different. People should really create their own indices and share it with people they are connected toNov 10 23:23
vZS1Like TR had its own indexNov 10 23:23
schestowitz"In dozens of ways, Democrats are to progress what Open Source is to Free Software-- they only care if they win, they don't care how many principles they have to sacrifice to do it. Ultimately to keep out what's worse, they will all but become it-- co-opting the real thing, nullifying and silencing the will of the people, on the behalf of global war and corporate rule." 10 23:23
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vZS1I grab a copyNov 10 23:23
vZS1I gave my friend a copyNov 10 23:23
vZS1My friend gives other people copies of the indexNov 10 23:23
vZS1Index aggregators are nice and all. But this is true communityNov 10 23:24
schestowitz""Open Source" is a meaningless marketing phrase, but it did have a definition based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Today it is used as a bait-and-switch way to promote non-free software, so here is a list of examples." 10 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Open Source - TechrightsNov 10 23:24
vZS1We're bigger than open source and free softwareNov 10 23:24
vZS1This is data and knowledge sharingNov 10 23:25
schestowitzwow, tuxmachines just hit a new recordNov 10 23:25
schestowitz11 hits/sec for the month's averageNov 10 23:25
schestowitzwe got close before, but never over 11 averageNov 10 23:25
vZS1Congratulations ๐ŸŽŠ๐ŸŽŠ๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‰Nov 10 23:26
schestowitztyNov 10 23:26
schestowitzgood to have something p2pNov 10 23:26
schestowitzin case the server is outrun one dayNov 10 23:27
schestowitzand we cannot afford more hardwareNov 10 23:27
schestowitzfor videos we can use p2pNov 10 23:27
schestowitzI assumeNov 10 23:27
schestowitzbut... not sure if it's set up like thisNov 10 23:27 10 23:27
vZS1I don't think you have to worry about running out of hardware. Your data sizes are tinyNov 10 23:27
schestowitzas the object of the videoNov 10 23:27
schestowitznot sure if that would stream wellNov 10 23:27
vZS1I don't know of streamingNov 10 23:28
schestowitzthe hardware is under strain due to the cmsNov 10 23:28
vZS1But people would just grab the whole give eNov 10 23:28
vZS1fileNov 10 23:28
vZS1With video, I highly suggest just compress the damn thingNov 10 23:28
vZS1P2P video streaming is a whole other can of wormsNov 10 23:29
vZS1Because you have to worry about clients a whole lot moreNov 10 23:31
vZS1The key to P2P streaming is fast compression algorithmsNov 10 23:33
schestowitznot live streamingNov 10 23:34
schestowitzjust serving multimedia filesNov 10 23:34
schestowitzcan be buffering forwardNov 10 23:34
schestowitzjust a large fileNov 10 23:34
schestowitzlast month we did 200gb per say some daysNov 10 23:34
schestowitzdue to gates deposition videosNov 10 23:34
vZS1HmmNov 10 23:34
schestowitzsome are over 200mb in sizeNov 10 23:35
vZS1I think that's just a matter of getting a video client to rate/limit IPFS object block consumption properlyNov 10 23:35
schestowitzfor about one hourNov 10 23:35
schestowitzso about 3mb/minNov 10 23:35
schestowitz 10 23:36
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schestowitzthat was just before groklaw (seemingly) diedNov 10 23:36
vZS1In my head I'm thinking a mix of 3 things. zstd, ipfs, and vlc playerNov 10 23:38
schestowitzthose are ogg filesNov 10 23:39
schestowitzthe browsers support them okNov 10 23:39
schestowitz(with few exceptions)Nov 10 23:39
schestowitzthe question is, are we 'fit' to do more video hosting over ipfsNov 10 23:39
schestowitzis that something ipfs has been tested for?Nov 10 23:40
schestowitzthink lbry/peertubeNov 10 23:40
schestowitzcan they be obviated by p2p ipfs?Nov 10 23:40
schestowitzor is that not its turf?Nov 10 23:40
schestowitzwe're limited on disk space in the serverNov 10 23:40
schestowitzand we don't need RAID and stuff for things like videos/media anywayNov 10 23:40
vZS1I'm sure you can build perfectly functional P2P video streaming on IPFSNov 10 23:41
vZS1What I was thinking is a purpose-built client for the jobNov 10 23:43
vZS1Not a web browserNov 10 23:43
schestowitzthis has just reminded me to remotely back up tm and rt DBsNov 10 23:43
schestowitz*trNov 10 23:43
schestowitzinitiated moments ago, last remote backup is about a month oldNov 10 23:43
schestowitzthere are video players for command lineNov 10 23:44
schestowitzwith or without colourNov 10 23:44
schestowitzwe can do the same with imagesNov 10 23:44
schestowitzthe other day I thought about experimenting with conversion of all images to ascii or unicodeNov 10 23:44
schestowitzlet me test the quality we can getNov 10 23:44
schestowitzfor a plain text utf8 fileNov 10 23:44
schestowitzI can convert these to Base64Nov 10 23:45
schestowitzbut that's only useful for self-contained htmlNov 10 23:46
schestowitzwhere the images are included in the html fileNov 10 23:46
schestowitzand that's not what we wantNov 10 23:46
schestowitzafaikNov 10 23:46
schestowitz 10 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Image to Base64 | Base64 Encode | Base64 Converter | Base64Nov 10 23:46
vZS1I think it's best to just create different IPFS objects and include the CID for those in the articleNov 10 23:46
schestowitzthere's also 10 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Convert UTF8 to an Image - Online UTF8 ToolsNov 10 23:46
schestowitzbut that's the other way aroundNov 10 23:47
schestowitzvZS1: for each image?Nov 10 23:47
vZS1YeahNov 10 23:47
vZS1The whole point of IPFS is content-based addressing, anywayNov 10 23:47
vZS1People just need to get used to itNov 10 23:48
vZS1I'm sure more sophisticated clients will develop over timeNov 10 23:48
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vZS1I'm content with compressing all the raw files and then just adding to IPFSNov 10 23:49
vZS1So if you have a big video use xz with the heavy levels of compressionNov 10 23:49
vZS1Talking -9 flag hereNov 10 23:50
schestowitzthe conversion quality is terrible for 80 chats acrossNov 10 23:50
schestowitzI just tested somethingNov 10 23:50
vZS1xz is lossless btwNov 10 23:50
schestowitzmaybe ok for landscapesNov 10 23:50
vZS1Try it outNov 10 23:51
vZS1Use xz on an image with the -9 flagNov 10 23:51
schestowitzthe converter here is truly awful Nov 10 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ASCII art generator for geeks! - Convert images/pictures to ASCII art online! (HTML/text)Nov 10 23:51
schestowitzlet's try unicodeNov 10 23:51
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schestowitzthey use just blocksNov 10 23:52
schestowitzreally awful algorithmsNov 10 23:52
schestowitzthey don't make any use of special charsNov 10 23:53
vZS1Is that a gun?Nov 10 23:54
schestowitzno, the heads of dodd and bidenNov 10 23:54
schestowitzjust the first pixels lineNov 10 23:54
schestowitzthe rest is equally crapNov 10 23:54
schestowitzit's just binaryNov 10 23:54
schestowitzno use of unicode reallyNov 10 23:54
schestowitzI know of command line tools that do betterNov 10 23:54
schestowitzdoes anyone remember their name?Nov 10 23:55
vZS1It's almost midnight. Gonna hit the hay. Gn all.Nov 10 23:55
schestowitz 10 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3 CLI Image Viewers To Display Images In The Terminal - OSTechNixNov 10 23:56

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