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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: RuTracker blocks Americans now.Feb 14 00:17
DaemonFC[m]I picked a VPN server in Hungary to keep using it.Feb 14 00:18
schestowitzanyone here in IRC using gemini?Feb 14 00:41
schestowitzwe hope this year there will be a million users worldwideFeb 14 00:41
schestowitztechrights will soon be available with it as 'first-class' citizenFeb 14 00:41
schestowitzwe just need to convert loads of pagesFeb 14 00:42
MinceRi used 2 gemini clients to view a TR articleFeb 14 00:43
MinceRboth worked fineFeb 14 00:43
schestowitzDays ago we launched gemini.techrights.org and it is starting to get noticed. We plan to keep it in sync with www and it contains many articles. It would be nice to have it visible in feeds. Anything that can help us spread the word and increase adoption of gemini in general.Feb 14 00:45
schestowitzMinceR: did you try a GUI one?Feb 14 00:45
MinceRyesFeb 14 00:45
MinceRi tried amfora (TUI) and kristall (GUI)Feb 14 00:45
schestowitzI guess you don't use "deadian"Feb 14 00:45
schestowitzit has nothing in the reposFeb 14 00:45
MinceR:>Feb 14 00:45
schestowitznot even kristallFeb 14 00:45
MinceRvoidlinux has both of theseFeb 14 00:45
schestowitzdebian, to use a bit of a joke snubs gemini coz of google money ;-)Feb 14 00:51
schestowitzcould make the same joke re mozilla removal of gopher supportFeb 14 00:51
schestowitzI think Google is the biggest sponsor of bothFeb 14 00:51
schestowitzbut it's a jokeFeb 14 00:51
schestowitzI do not SERIOUSLY think that's the reason for all tisFeb 14 00:51
schestowitzamfora was not available for DebianFeb 14 00:51
schestowitzit's oddFeb 14 00:51
schestowitzI had to get precompiled and self-contained binaryFeb 14 00:52
schestowitzfor a project with over 30,000 packages in the repoFeb 14 00:52
schestowitzand not a single gemini browser, not even a cli clientFeb 14 00:52
schestowitzoddFeb 14 00:52
techrights-bot#Mageia 8 Promises Better Support for AMD and NVIDIA Systems โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147634 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mageia 8 Promises Better Support for AMD and NVIDIA Systems | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:53
techrights-bot#Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147633 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Google #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:53
techrights-botStable Kernels: 5.10.16, 5.4.98, and 4.19.176 โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147632 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.10.16, 5.4.98, and 4.19.176 | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:54
techrights-bot9 Best #FreeSW Key Value Stores for #BigData โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147631 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9 Best Free and Open Source Key Value Stores for Big Data | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:54
techrights-bot5 reasons why I love coding on GNU/Linux โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147630 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #programmingFeb 14 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 reasons why I love coding on Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:55
techrights-botHow #freeSW provides students with real-world experience โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147629 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How open source provides students with real-world experience | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:55
techrights-bot#KDE Frameworks 5.79.0 โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147628 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #qtFeb 14 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.79.0 | Tux MachinesFeb 14 00:56
techrights-botSputnik V Vaccine: NPR's Moscow Correspondent Rolls Up His Sleeve https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/13/967336250/putin-hasnt-been-vaccinated-with-sputnik-v-yet-but-our-correspondent-got-the-sho #NPR repeatedly being bribed by #billgates to cover up for him, mocking his criticsFeb 14 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Sputnik V Vaccine: NPR's Moscow Correspondent Rolls Up His Sleeve : Goats and Soda : NPRFeb 14 01:05
techrights-botArchitecture https://i.redd.it/3ttfp5vb4yd61.jpgFeb 14 01:05
techrights-botFollowing the example of corrupt #EPO , which distorted #patent #law and breaks all the founding principles of #patents in order to pocket and steal money https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d4666e89-d6c9-4dfb-b789-64219232d4a3Feb 14 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Polish Patent Office changes its policy on patentability of software, biotech and pharma - LexologyFeb 14 01:06
techrights-botComplete and utter puff piece, not journalism https://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-and-euipo-add-technical-university-of-munich-to-trainee-programme-21033Feb 14 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | EPO and EUIPO add Technical University of Munich to trainee programmeFeb 14 01:06
techrights-botGuidelines that are unlawful, but corrupt management gets away with it because it is above the law https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2021/02/new-epo-guidelines-now-published-regarding-amending-the-description-whats-all-the-fuss-about?cc_lang=enFeb 14 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cms-lawnow.com | New EPO Guidelines now published regarding amending the description: whatโ€™s all the fuss about?Feb 14 01:06
techrights-botNew video: How to Make a Custom #GNU #Linux Desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hse8yN6CDoIFeb 14 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-- YouTubeFeb 14 01:06
techrights-bot021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/13/#latestFeb 14 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsFeb 14 01:08
techrights-botNicolas Dandrimont, Pauline (or Maria) Climent-Pommeret & Debian, Outreachy, GSoC Conflict of Interest Policy Scandals โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSWFeb 14 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nicolas Dandrimont, Pauline (or Maria) Climent-Pommeret & Debian, Outreachy, GSoC Conflict of Interest Policy Scandals | TechrightsFeb 14 01:10
techrights-botWine 6.2 Released with Mono 6.0.0 & NTDLL debugger APIs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147608#comment-28265Feb 14 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.2 Released | Tux MachinesFeb 14 01:10
techrights-bot"IBM and O'Reilly conducted a survey that indicated that IT pros favor using open source CLOWN technologies over proprietary solutions." IBM and O'Reilly conducted a survey that indicated that IT pros favor using open source cloud technologies over proprietary solutions.Feb 14 01:11
techrights-bot"IBM and O'Reilly conducted a survey that indicated that IT pros favor using open source CLOWN technologies over proprietary solutions." https://www.itprotoday.com/cloud-computing/survey-open-source-cloud-technologies-fit-devs-gloveFeb 14 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Survey: Open Source Cloud Technologies Fit Devs Like a Glove | IT ProFeb 14 01:12
techrights-bot#KDE #Plasma 5.21 - New look, new menu, and Wayland 100% usable http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147621#comment-28266 #gnu #linuxFeb 14 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Plasma 5.21 approaches! | Tux MachinesFeb 14 01:12
techrights-bot[ #Debian ] #bullseye froze softly โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147636 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | [Debian] bullseye froze softly | Tux MachinesFeb 14 01:15
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147635 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesFeb 14 01:15
MinceRhttps://insighthungary.444.hu/2021/01/26/member-of-hungarian-punk-band-beaten-songs-censored-after-performance-at-government-financed-concertFeb 14 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insighthungary.444.hu | Member of Hungarian punk band beaten, songs censored after performance at government-financed concert - InsightHungaryFeb 14 01:26
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–†โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–ƒโ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–„โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 16.41 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 3.25โ–• swarm size (avg): 122.01  โŸฒFeb 14 01:36
techrights-bot"The Fellowship has recently blogged about FSFE President Matthias Kirschner misusing screengrabs from video calls with interns." http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/13/gsoc-conflict-of-interest/Feb 14 01:57
DaemonFC[m]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/europe/hungary-coronavirus-vaccination-sputnik.htmlFeb 14 01:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | With the Economy on the Ropes, Hungary Goes All In on Mass Vaccination - The New York TimesFeb 14 01:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR is feeling very patriotic and will get his vaccination as soon as Orban is done with the chicken wire border "wall".Feb 14 01:58
DaemonFC[m]How the hell did the Hungarian Socialist Party go from the majority to barely any seats at all?Feb 14 01:59
MinceRi don't know when or if i'll get vaccinated, or even in which countryFeb 14 01:59
MinceRconsidering that the nazis are getting more and more desperate to force the untested russian and chinese shit on people who don't want themFeb 14 02:00
DaemonFC[m]I'd get one of the mRNA ones probably.Feb 14 02:00
MinceRwell, you canFeb 14 02:00
MinceRyou live in a country where there are at least some state functions that work openly and correctlyFeb 14 02:00
DaemonFC[m]But I'm more skeptical of the adenovirus ones.Feb 14 02:00
MinceR14 025914 < DaemonFC[m]> How the hell did the Hungarian Socialist Party go from the majority to barely any seats at all?Feb 14 02:00
MinceRin 2010 they went from part of a majority coalition to minorityFeb 14 02:01
MinceRthen the nazis changed the election rulesFeb 14 02:01
DaemonFC[m]They don't seem as effective, they seem like they particularly don't work very well against some of the mutant strains, and there's the danger that your immune system learns to attack the carrier virus and not the Coronavirus spikes.Feb 14 02:01
schestowitzI work from homeFeb 14 02:01
MinceRand DK split offFeb 14 02:01
schestowitzI might not need to bother with any of them unless more is knownFeb 14 02:01
XRevan86I wonder if adenovirus immunity wears off eventuallyFeb 14 02:01
schestowitz*untilFeb 14 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Ahh, there was something similar in Indiana.Feb 14 02:01
XRevan86or if immunity against vaccines is forever %)Feb 14 02:01
MinceRiirc they weren't a majority on their own to begin withFeb 14 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats were in the majority until the Republicans took a slim lead, changed the election laws, rewrote the districts, and they get 67% of the seats with 51% of the vote ever since.Feb 14 02:02
schestowitzpeople die, now more die moreFeb 14 02:02
schestowitzesp. the frailFeb 14 02:02
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you keep bringing up non-tech issues hereFeb 14 02:02
XRevan86> As opposed to lentiviruses, adenoviral DNA does not integrate into the genome and is not replicated during cell division.Feb 14 02:02
MinceRwikipedia says they had the most seats before 2010 but they didn't have 50% on their ownFeb 14 02:03
schestowitzand many of us (inc. you) aren't expert in this thingFeb 14 02:03
XRevan86I heard people use that as FUD, but no, it's not in the genome.Feb 14 02:03
schestowitzlet's talk about techFeb 14 02:03
MinceRthe nazi election system lets fideath get over 2/3 of the parliament seats by getting something like 45% of the votesFeb 14 02:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was playing around with gerrymandering software.Feb 14 02:03
MinceRand yes, they gerrymanderedFeb 14 02:03
MinceRalsoFeb 14 02:03
schestowitzsometimes the options are themselves badFeb 14 02:03
schestowitzelections are still better than none at allFeb 14 02:04
XRevan86> Any of these few viral vectors can cause the body to develop an immune response if the vector is seen as a foreign invader. Once used, the viral vector cannot be effectively used in the patient again because it will be recognized by the body.Feb 14 02:04
MinceRliving on a planet infested with humans is itself badFeb 14 02:04
XRevan86all from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vectorFeb 14 02:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viral vector - WikipediaFeb 14 02:04
DaemonFC[m]Mandy says some slight headaches today and chills while he was at work. Arm is still sore.Feb 14 02:04
DaemonFC[m]Nothing too bad though.Feb 14 02:04
schestowitzfirst oneFeb 14 02:05
schestowitzsecond one of the worseFeb 14 02:05
schestowitz*isFeb 14 02:05
MinceRi don't get to be in charge of my own lifeFeb 14 02:05
DaemonFC[m]It's the same dosage.Feb 14 02:05
MinceRi hope i can die quickly and painlesslyFeb 14 02:05
schestowitzanyway, enough about those premature productsFeb 14 02:05
DaemonFC[m]Your body recognizes it the second time.Feb 14 02:05
schestowitzwe don't even know much about them yetFeb 14 02:05
MinceRit's the most one as poor as i am can hope in this hell on earthFeb 14 02:05
schestowitzyou drove 8 hours, both of you at risk of car accident, to be part of a monopoly's testFeb 14 02:05
schestowitzMinceR: maybe at an old ageFeb 14 02:06
schestowitzquickly and painlessly is the best way to go, question is at what stageFeb 14 02:06
MinceRyeah, there are probably decades of intense suffering left for meFeb 14 02:06
schestowitzsome people in their 70s don't have back and joint achesFeb 14 02:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: With the uncontrolled spread going on, it seemed like the least bad option.Feb 14 02:06
MinceRmaybe i'll get lucky and an asteroid or gamma ray burst wipes us outFeb 14 02:06
schestowitzone dayFeb 14 02:06
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schestowitzbut a long time from nowFeb 14 02:07
XRevan86I'd really rather get an mRNA vaccineFeb 14 02:07
DaemonFC[m]No appointments available since NBC Chicago picked it up.Feb 14 02:07
XRevan86too bad it's not an optionFeb 14 02:07
DaemonFC[m]It's way too soon to say whether the vaccinations are having an effect on the spread of if we're just slowing down on the way to another surge that's even worse than the last one,Feb 14 02:07
schestowitzwe can all agree the status quo is bustFeb 14 02:07
schestowitzunemployment isn't a covid thingFeb 14 02:07
schestowitzit predates thisFeb 14 02:07
schestowitz"Gig" "economy"Feb 14 02:07
DaemonFC[m]It does, but few cared until now.Feb 14 02:07
DaemonFC[m]Now it's "Not their fault.".Feb 14 02:08
XRevan86International vaccines are effectively banned hereFeb 14 02:08
schestowitzwith actual labour "participation" rate of about 50% in the USFeb 14 02:08
schestowitzand wages stagnating for how long? 30 years?Feb 14 02:08
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DaemonFC[m]Before it was "They should go into debt for college and still be guaranteed nothing.".Feb 14 02:08
schestowitzhi, dyfetFeb 14 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Or "They're just not looking for jobs.".Feb 14 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Mom's favorite, even now.Feb 14 02:08
DaemonFC[m]I told her which jobs since half the restaurants in Indiana have failed already.Feb 14 02:08
schestowitzmjg59: I mention you along the way in an article about freesw jobsFeb 14 02:09
schestowitzjust so that I get the facts right, you quit, right?Feb 14 02:09
DaemonFC[m]All of the movie theaters are failing.Feb 14 02:09
MinceR"allegedly" :>Feb 14 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Might not have been good jobs, but now it's absolute unemployment.Feb 14 02:09
MinceRdue to this plague i can't even leave this shithole countryFeb 14 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Haha, he said shithole country.Feb 14 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Just like The Donald.Feb 14 02:10
schestowitzThe ViktorFeb 14 02:10
MinceRit's more of a shithole than uhmerica thoughFeb 14 02:10
MinceRmaybe not as much of a shithole as russia yetFeb 14 02:10
schestowitzI'm sort of happy to be 'stuck' hereFeb 14 02:10
schestowitzbrexit makes it worse, but...Feb 14 02:10
dyfethi schestowitz, trying irc from pidgin...Feb 14 02:10
schestowitzall those lockdowns make my life choices more like the 'norm'Feb 14 02:10
DaemonFC[m]Me too.Feb 14 02:10
XRevan86So the options here are the adenovirus vaccine Sputnik-V, the peptide vaccine EpiVacCorona and the dead virus Chumakov centre CoviVac vaccineFeb 14 02:11
DaemonFC[m]I've always avoided people, given the option.Feb 14 02:11
DaemonFC[m]Nobody takes you seriously in jeans and a t-shirt.Feb 14 02:11
schestowitzreal people doFeb 14 02:11
schestowitzfake ones don'tFeb 14 02:11
XRevan86apparently the latter is not available for the general population because it's difficult to produceFeb 14 02:11
schestowitzif someone judges you by the dress, they're not worth the timeFeb 14 02:11
MinceRindeedFeb 14 02:12
MinceRalso, the tie that comes with the suit restricts blood circulation to the brainFeb 14 02:12
MinceR(along with the necessary shirt setting)Feb 14 02:12
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MinceRthis, of course, doesn't affect the people who insist on making other people wear themFeb 14 02:13
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CounterPunch โ˜ž Biopolitical Prognosis for Homo Sapiens ย Multiverse https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/biopolitical-prognosis-for-homo-sapiens-multiverse/Feb 14 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biopolitical Prognosis for Homo Sapiens ย Multiverse - CounterPunch.orgFeb 14 02:13
schestowitzMinceR: they're not worth working forFeb 14 02:13
schestowitzI don't suggest working nakedFeb 14 02:13
schestowitzthat would be wrong from a sanitary povFeb 14 02:14
schestowitz(at the least)Feb 14 02:14
MinceRyeah, but i don't have the necessary equipment to get money without working :>Feb 14 02:14
schestowitzit's -2 here at the moment, heating has been off all winter, so I mostly wear hoodies these daysFeb 14 02:14
MinceRit's -4.2 hereFeb 14 02:15
schestowitzMinceR: if you work from home now, that problem is partly tackled?Feb 14 02:15
MinceRnot reallyFeb 14 02:15
MinceRand i don't have a job anymoreFeb 14 02:15
MinceRand i don't miss the shitty job i had last yearFeb 14 02:15
MinceRproblem is, it doesn't seem possible to get a non-bullshit job in this industryFeb 14 02:16
schestowitztrueFeb 14 02:16
schestowitzI am writing a post about my job nowFeb 14 02:16
schestowitzfor techrights that is... the postFeb 14 02:16
dyfetOr to find work that doesn't cause social harm...Feb 14 02:16
schestowitzwe need to make more freesw jobsFeb 14 02:17
schestowitzpay isn't great, but...Feb 14 02:17
schestowitzI still get the same salary I was getting 10 years agoFeb 14 02:17
schestowitznow we don't have gym fees, travel expenses etc.Feb 14 02:17
schestowitzshopping of other items vastly reduced too, except foodFeb 14 02:18
schestowitzrianne hunts for discounted foods anyway, sometimes quarter price or lessFeb 14 02:18
MinceRwe need to resurrect freesw firstFeb 14 02:18
MinceRwithout corporate parasitesFeb 14 02:18
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dyfetYesFeb 14 02:18
schestowitzpoor DaemonFC[m], his sis in law, who grew up in "worse than ghetto", carries on pretending to be a princess and would not shop in WaltonMart because  "ghetto people"Feb 14 02:19
schestowitzpeople love to self-harmFeb 14 02:19
schestowitzto pretend to have climbed some mythical social/career ladderFeb 14 02:19
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schestowitzand sometimes the climbers perish early, like Steve Jobs didFeb 14 02:19
schestowitzMinceR: wayland is comingFeb 14 02:20
schestowitzI read about it earlier wrt kdeFeb 14 02:20
schestowitzit'll break basic stuff like x forwardingFeb 14 02:20
MinceRlolFeb 14 02:20
schestowitzafter decadesFeb 14 02:20
schestowitzwe need to keep Xorg goingFeb 14 02:20
schestowitz[01:12] <techrights-bot> #KDE #Plasma 5.21 - New look, new menu, and Wayland 100% usable http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147621#comment-28266 #gnu #linuxFeb 14 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Plasma 5.21 approaches! | Tux MachinesFeb 14 02:20
schestowitzno benefitsFeb 14 02:20
schestowitzmaybe less RAM usageFeb 14 02:20
schestowitznot that RAM is cheap and abundantFeb 14 02:20
dyfetI don't think I have any video hardware that works correctly with waylandFeb 14 02:21
schestowitzseems to me like an ill-advised special interestFeb 14 02:21
schestowitzfirst dbus, systemd, PA...Feb 14 02:21
MinceRobviously, working correctly is not "secure"Feb 14 02:21
MinceRjust ask the proprietarydesktop folksFeb 14 02:21
schestowitzFirefox apparently only works with PA nowFeb 14 02:21
schestowitzMinceR: IBM never cared about securityFeb 14 02:21
dyfetI mean that doesn't crash or break ;)Feb 14 02:21
MinceRneither did microshitFeb 14 02:21
schestowitzif it did, it wouldn't work for DoD->NSAFeb 14 02:21
MinceRdoesn't stop their marketroids from mouthing off about it 24/7Feb 14 02:22
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2014/01/26/death-knell-by-nsa/Feb 14 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Shows That Collaborations With the NSA Are a Companyโ€™s Death Knell | TechrightsFeb 14 02:22
MinceReven for other scammer corporations, DRM is now "security"Feb 14 02:22
schestowitzMinceR: UEFI secure mjg59Feb 14 02:22
MinceRlolFeb 14 02:22
schestowitzsecured by MicrosoftFeb 14 02:22
MinceRyeah, vendor lock-in is also "security"Feb 14 02:22
schestowitz"you can't boot that! We don't approve this distro"Feb 14 02:23
dyfetobscurity is now called "security"Feb 14 02:23
schestowitzor cover-upFeb 14 02:23
schestowitzlike, don't mention we got crackedFeb 14 02:23
schestowitzor there would be finesFeb 14 02:23
dyfetKill the messenger....Feb 14 02:23
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "(along with the necessary shirt "> Must be why they have those three shirts for $300 deals.Feb 14 02:24
schestowitzwe need more leaking (of info) mechanismsFeb 14 02:24
schestowitzdyfet: maybe submit mechanisms in geminiFeb 14 02:24
schestowitzI will look into itFeb 14 02:24
schestowitzthere is POST-like support in that protocolFeb 14 02:24
schestowitzyou can submit a URL or text with TLSFeb 14 02:24
dyfetwe need mechanisms not hard-wired to the intel community (washpost, nytimes drop boxes are...)Feb 14 02:24
schestowitzyesFeb 14 02:25
schestowitzmeans deviating from what was marked by NSAFeb 14 02:25
schestowitzlike TorFeb 14 02:25
schestowitzall the common methodsFeb 14 02:25
schestowitzYou have to assume they either put moles there or bribed existing staffers to become molesFeb 14 02:25
schestowitzlike sigi in wikileaks (iceland)Feb 14 02:25
schestowitzso roll out your ownFeb 14 02:26
schestowitzI am going to consider making a dropbox over geminiFeb 14 02:26
schestowitzbut there are char limitsFeb 14 02:26
schestowitzand dropping a url to some random url isn't idealFeb 14 02:26
dyfetI do know they have such moles in the eff...Feb 14 02:26
schestowitz*random address/sitreFeb 14 02:26
schestowitzdyfet: the EFF is a lobbying firm nowFeb 14 02:27
schestowitzthey even relocated accordinglyFeb 14 02:27
dyfetI already had found they are untrustworthy...Feb 14 02:28
schestowitzwe wrote some articles about itFeb 14 02:28
schestowitzbut maybe not enough, assuming you know names of compromised staffersFeb 14 02:28
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dyfetThere are still legal penalties for revealing undercover cia officers...and I don't have the friends Libby does ;).Feb 14 02:30
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schestowitzdyfet: can I take that as a "I know person x in eff is connected to the Central Intel Agency"?Feb 14 02:31
schestowitzdyfet: at least one needn't worry about "no-fly" lists anymore...Feb 14 02:32
schestowitzI mean, who's flying?Feb 14 02:32
techrights-bot*** ๐๐”๐‹๐‹๐„๐“๐ˆ๐ *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-02-13.txtFeb 14 02:32
dyfetI will also simply say I also do not go to defcon...Feb 14 02:33
schestowitzdefinitely a conFeb 14 02:33
schestowitzNSA talksFeb 14 02:33
schestowitzafter snowden they had to pretend for a year or two to be "angry"Feb 14 02:34
schestowitzthen it's business as usual"Feb 14 02:34
schestowitzSnowden is "old news" nowFeb 14 02:34
schestowitzPRISM no longer existsFeb 14 02:34
schestowitzor whatever newer programmes existFeb 14 02:34
dyfetI do not have new info on that, but yes, so much already has been buried...Feb 14 02:36
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–†โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–ƒโ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–„โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 16.41 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 3.25โ–• swarm size (avg): 121.78  โŸฒFeb 14 02:36
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dyfetipfs and gemini... techrights is rather interesting as tech too...Feb 14 02:46
techrights-bot#FreeSoftware Makes Life Easier, Not Harder โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/making-life-easier-with-freesw/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSWFeb 14 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Makes Life Easier, Not Harder | TechrightsFeb 14 02:49
schestowitzdyfet: thanks!Feb 14 02:49
schestowitzdyfet: soon we'll broadcast, using a cronjob, the latest CIDsFeb 14 02:49
schestowitzso that they get passed around and replicated across the woeldFeb 14 02:49
schestowitz*WordlFeb 14 02:49
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schestowitzwith all pf today's articlesFeb 14 02:49
schestowitzgnunet is not yet stable softwareFeb 14 02:50
schestowitzbut we intend to adopt that too at some stageFeb 14 02:50
dyfetI know...Feb 14 02:50
schestowitzlet's pull the rug from under monopolists' feetFeb 14 02:50
schestowitzshould be amusing to see, to say the leastFeb 14 02:50
schestowitzthey always tried to stay a step ahead on "crypto" and "blockchain" thingsFeb 14 02:51
schestowitzand FUD about things like bitcoin is abundant in wall street mediaFeb 14 02:51
dyfetor repurpose them...and takeover from within.  Hmm...where have I seen that discussed recently in another context? ;)Feb 14 02:52
schestowitzthe log file for gemini for past 12 hours is almost 1mb in sizeFeb 14 02:52
schestowitzwe only announced it ~2 days agoFeb 14 02:53
dyfetThat is cool also. It says there is demand for exit ramps.Feb 14 02:53
schestowitzdyfet: #cancelStallmanFeb 14 02:53
schestowitz"for the wimin"Feb 14 02:53
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schestowitzdyfet: we not have a round robin cron job to keep gemini up to date with latest articlesFeb 14 02:54
schestowitzplus irc logs etc.Feb 14 02:54
schestowitzI will test that in a minuteFeb 14 02:54
schestowitza lot of our code and system-level stuff like cron job is fresh and barely testedFeb 14 02:54
dyfetYou should do an article on techrights techFeb 14 02:55
schestowitzin one minute my node is ipfs is /supposed/ to be turned on on its ownFeb 14 02:55
schestowitzturns out i needed to add a sleep command to space things out, otherwise it would not startFeb 14 02:55
schestowitzdyfet: we do that sometimesFeb 14 02:55
schestowitzwe also have internal git Feb 14 02:55
dyfetI probably had missed that, but that is good.Feb 14 02:55
schestowitzbut the tools need to be generalisedFeb 14 02:55
schestowitztoo much hard-coded into themFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzyes! it works :-)Feb 14 02:56
schestowitzfinallyFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzafter 7 days of testing and failingFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzipfs commands do not work well in conjuctionFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzand I run ipfs 3 times every 60 secondsFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzto turn it on and off you need to call out external scriptFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzthen add sleep 30 or similar in itFeb 14 02:56
schestowitzotherwise it would oddly enough not obey the commandFeb 14 02:57
schestowitztook me ages to figure that conflict outFeb 14 02:57
schestowitzraspi full backup done yesterday, will be replicated to several drivesFeb 14 02:57
schestowitzour  logging of gemini is also ad hocFeb 14 02:58
schestowitzused iftop to make it workFeb 14 02:58
schestowitziftop -i wlan0 -P -t -L 1000 | grep -B 0 -A 1 :1965  | grep -v :1965  >> /home/gemini/log.txtFeb 14 02:58
schestowitzwe purge these later, they're used for testing purposes for nowFeb 14 02:58
techrights-botDefense to Deliver Rebuttal on Day 4 of #Impeachment Trial After Dems Dub Trump 'Inciter-in-Chief' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/12/watch-live-defense-deliver-rebuttal-day-4-impeachment-trial-after-dems-dub-trumpFeb 14 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | WATCH LIVE: Defense to Deliver Rebuttal on Day 4 of Impeachment Trial After Dems Dub Trump 'Inciter-in-Chief' | Common Dreams NewsFeb 14 03:00
techrights-ipfsIPFS local node stats      TotalIn: 6.3 MB      TotalOut: 1.5 MBFeb 14 03:01
DaemonFC[m]"Mr. Orban has few options for reviving the Hungarian economy, as he is opposed to handing out meaningful relief aid to citizens and businesses and appears to be betting big on getting the whole country vaccinated, with an eye on next yearโ€™s elections."Feb 14 03:01
techrights-ipfsNew bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID:Feb 14 03:01
DaemonFC[m]Too much in the chicken wire budger.Feb 14 03:01
DaemonFC[m]*budgetFeb 14 03:01
techrights-ipfsQmcgJMK25sS8KvDP91WGCs8mnD3BshA4mPSR8uGCMM78poFeb 14 03:01
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CounterPunch โ˜ž Lying Lawyers and Butt-kissing Senators: The First Days of Trumpโ€™s Second #Impeachment Trial https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/lying-lawyers-and-butt-kissing-senators-the-first-days-of-trumps-second-impeachment-trial/Feb 14 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lying Lawyers and Butt-kissing Senators: The First Days of Trumpโ€™s Second Impeachment Trial - CounterPunch.orgFeb 14 03:02
dyfetThat was depressing.Feb 14 03:06
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CounterPunch โ˜ž #Neoliberalism and Its Discontents https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/neoliberalism-and-its-discontents-2/Feb 14 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Neoliberalism and Its Discontents - CounterPunch.orgFeb 14 03:07
techrights-bot"Let me suggest that Kingโ€™s prescription remains as valid today as when he issued it more than half a century ago โ€” hence, my excuse for returning to it so soon after citing it in a previous TomDispatch. Sadly, however, neither the American people nor the American ruling class seem any more inclined to take that prescription seriously today than I was in 1967." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/when-poisons-Feb 14 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Poisons Curdle: Beyond Donald Trump - CounterPunch.orgFeb 14 03:12
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #TruthOut #boeing #impunity #corporateCrimes โ˜ž Ralph Nader: Biden Must Hold Boeing Accountable for Deaths Due to Faulty Planes https://truthout.org/video/ralph-nader-biden-must-hold-boeing-accountable-for-deaths-due-to-faulty-planes/Feb 14 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Ralph Nader: Biden Must Hold Boeing Accountable for Deaths Due to Faulty PlanesFeb 14 03:12
dyfetMoral courage is not Biden's thing...Feb 14 03:14
schestowitzit also take courage to oppress the publicFeb 14 03:15
schestowitzor to protect the minorityFeb 14 03:16
schestowitz*not racial)Feb 14 03:16
DaemonFC[m]"A Hungarian punk band says video of a live performance it gave as part of a government program to support musicians during the coronavirus was censored of all political content, and that a band member was beaten by unknown assailants days after the concert."Feb 14 03:18
techrights-bot"Making Custom #GNU #Linux Desktops and installing them from stock settings." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQps1qTgG4Feb 14 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Make a Custom Linux Desktop | My AwesomeWM Theme - YouTubeFeb 14 03:18
DaemonFC[m]Unknown assailants. Feb 14 03:18
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: with MHGA hatsFeb 14 03:27
MinceRlike the "unknown" bald soccer fans who blocked opposition politicians from submitting referendum requestsFeb 14 03:29
schestowitz"fans"Feb 14 03:30
schestowitz"soccer"Feb 14 03:30
MinceRor like the "unknown" soldiers who occupied crimea :>Feb 14 03:33
schestowitzand the "unknown" gasesFeb 14 03:36
schestowitzor palacesFeb 14 03:36
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schestowitz"no more questions!"Feb 14 03:36
MinceR:>Feb 14 03:36
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–ƒโ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 15.60 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 3.26โ–• swarm size (avg): 121.77  โŸฒFeb 14 03:36
techrights-bot"Well, thatโ€™s the U.S., isnโ€™t it? We have what is referred to by scholars as an โ€œadversarial legal systemโ€ where two sides on an issue battle it out through their lawyers. The conspicuous flaw in this system is that the โ€œstrongerโ€ party always has an advantage in a fight." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/12/should-we-kill-the-classics/Feb 14 03:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Should We Kill โ€œthe Classicsโ€? - CounterPunch.orgFeb 14 03:37
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C98K1Lg5blUFeb 14 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese reporterโ€™s dramatic eye-roll goes viral, then gets censored - YouTubeFeb 14 03:39
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcdeHEqZKC0Feb 14 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Thereโ€™s nothing to see in reporter's eye roll at Two Sessions| Hu Says - YouTubeFeb 14 03:39
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2g_FyqURAFeb 14 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blue and red war: Eye-rolling journalist goes viral on Chinese internet - YouTubeFeb 14 03:39
techrights-bot#FreeBSD 13 BETA2 Released With Working 32-bit Builds, Kernel TLS Offload http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147609#comment-28267 #bsd #unixFeb 14 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 13.0-BETA2 Now Available | Tux MachinesFeb 14 03:42
techrights-bot#IOuring Will Be Even Faster With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix โ‡จ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.12-Faster-IO_uring โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐Ÿง | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/14/#latestFeb 14 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IO_uring Will Be Even Faster With Linux 5.12 - PhoronixFeb 14 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsFeb 14 03:43
techrights-bot#IDMAPPED Mounts Aim For Linux 5.12 - Many New Use-Cases From Containers To Systemd-Homed - Phoronix โ‡จ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=IDMAPPED-Mounts-Linux-5.12 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐Ÿง | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/14/#latestFeb 14 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IDMAPPED Mounts Aim For Linux 5.12 - Many New Use-Cases From Containers To Systemd-Homed - PhoronixFeb 14 03:44
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techrights-botData Suggests CoC + #Outreachy Hasnโ€™t Helped Increase Female Participation In #Debian โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147638 โ€ขโ—โ€ข good 'feel' programs of monopolistic corporations aren't meant to help, except their image/PR. #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Data Suggests CoC + Outreachy Hasn't Helped Increase Female Participation In Debian | Tux MachinesFeb 14 03:48
MinceRwhat a surpriseFeb 14 03:48
techrights-botBest Media Center Applications for Linux โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147637 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Media Center Applications for Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 14 03:48
schestowitzMinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/02/10/outreachy-coc-diversity-results-debian/Feb 14 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Does Outreachy and a Code of Conduct Increase Diversity? Case Study From Debian | TechrightsFeb 14 03:50
schestowitzSee comments in PhoronixFeb 14 03:50
schestowitzinteresting is that Larabel chose to cover it, for a changeFeb 14 03:50
schestowitzhe was blasted by some 'activists'Feb 14 03:50
schestowitzand later he defended those Google-sponsored programsFeb 14 03:50
schestowitzwhich I never thought would truly pay off, except for Google (PR gain)Feb 14 03:51
techrights-bot"When you get into Vim, you will want Vim keys everywhere, even in places where it doesn't always make a ton of sense." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq0dnkv_HeMFeb 14 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VibreOffice: Even LibreOffice Gets Vim Emulation - YouTubeFeb 14 03:52
techrights-bot"As more and more people are buying crypto currency and trading them, the more there is a need to keep with the current rates for these digital assets. Especially since the price of these currencies are on a meteoric rise in the last few months." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB-1DlaLEOoFeb 14 03:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crypto Currency Rates From The Command Line - YouTubeFeb 14 03:53
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DaemonFC[m]Some were saying Terminator Dark Fate made Salvation look good.Feb 14 03:55
DaemonFC[m]Salvation wasn't too bad, except for having Michael Ironside in it and the T-800 doing at least several things that would have killed anyone, that John Connor walked away from.Feb 14 03:55
DaemonFC[m]They should have kept the original ending where the T-800 killed him and Marcus became "John Connor".Feb 14 03:56
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MinceRwhat's the matter with Michael Ironside?Feb 14 04:01
MinceRschestowitz: nice article. are moronix comments worth bothering with this time?Feb 14 04:05
techrights-botLet's infect the #raspi with some more #nsa #backdoors https://www.prweb.com/releases/stratodesk_one_of_first_providers_worldwide_to_support_windows_virtual_desktop_linux_client_on_both_x86_and_raspberry_pi/prweb17721584.htmFeb 14 04:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prweb.com | Stratodesk One of First Providers Worldwide to Support Windows Virtual Desktop Linux Client on both x86 and Raspberry PiFeb 14 04:06
techrights-bot#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, February 13, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextFeb 14 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin ArchivesFeb 14 04:08
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techrights-bot#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharingFeb 14 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexFeb 14 04:08
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "what's the matter with Michael I"> Highlander 2.Feb 14 04:12
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MinceRi don't remember Highlander 2Feb 14 04:12
MinceRi do remember Scanners and Starship Troopers, thoughFeb 14 04:13
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Highlander 2 was poorly written.Feb 14 04:14
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #meduza #ru #russia #Belarus โ˜ž The #Lukashenko circus Why the All-Belarusian Peopleโ€™s Assembly matters and what it means for the opposition https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/02/12/the-lukashenko-circusFeb 14 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEFeb 14 04:14
techrights-bot"Official" #covid19 death toll in the US said to be half a million and some estimates I saw said total excess death at one million next month. That's how many "more than usual" people die. Insurance companies should adapt and pension age LOWERED.Feb 14 04:17
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #meduza #ru #russia #Navalny โ˜ž Jailed pro-Navalny protester hospitalized in intensive care following #hungerstrike https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/02/12/jailed-pro-navalny-protester-hospitalized-in-intensive-care-following-hunger-strikeFeb 14 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEFeb 14 04:18
techrights-bot#Microsoft now speaks on behalf of #RaspberryPi http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/Feb 14 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Usersโ€™ Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | TechrightsFeb 14 04:19
techrights-botHow to debunk the #brexit myth that #uk is somehow "better" than the rest of #europe https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/Feb 14 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom Coronavirus: 4,027,106 Cases and 116,908 Deaths - WorldometerFeb 14 04:21
techrights-botWhat happens when you put nontechnical people in positions of power somewhere like the #gnomefoundation http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/02/13/proprietary-definition-02/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/freesw-license-redefined/Feb 14 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deblanc.net | Proprietary (definition) โ€“ 02 | Life on MFeb 14 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation and OSI Move on to โ€˜Extendโ€™ Phase Against the Free Software Definition (or Against Software Freedom) | TechrightsFeb 14 04:24
techrights-bot"Version 3.12 of #GNU #mailutils is available for download" http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9936Feb 14 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Mailutils - News: Version 3.12 [Savannah]Feb 14 04:26
techrights-bot"Version 1.34 of #GNU tar is available for download (see the download directory for archives in other formats)." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9935Feb 14 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU tar - News: Version 1.34 [Savannah]Feb 14 04:27
techrights-bot#GNU #FreeIPMI 1.6.7 Released http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9937Feb 14 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU FreeIPMI - News: FreeIPMI 1.6.7 Released [Savannah]Feb 14 04:27
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Congratulations on overtaking the US in deaths per capita just months after bragging that your government wasn't as incompetent as Trump'sFeb 14 04:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The mRNA vaccines seem to be the only ones holding up to the more aggressive variations so far.Feb 14 04:29
techrights-botBad ideas: turning your computers into #listeningDevices wires into the #pentagon and sometimes even #police departments. #espionage #google https://www.mysmartprice.com/gear/heres-app-bring-google-assistant-windows-macos-linux-pcs-install-use/Feb 14 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mysmartprice.com | Here's An App To Bring Google Assistant to Windows, macOS or Linux PCs: How You to Install and UseFeb 14 04:30
DaemonFC[m]The one developed in the UK is almost useless against the South Africa strain.Feb 14 04:30
schestowitzwe were always ahead of youFeb 14 04:30
schestowitzre death/capitaFeb 14 04:30
DaemonFC[m]Which just means you're vaccinating people for one thing and creating more room for something else.Feb 14 04:30
schestowitzin terms of excess deaths, you may be well aheadFeb 14 04:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no, you are guessingFeb 14 04:30
schestowitzlittle is known about those productsFeb 14 04:31
schestowitzyet you profess to be some expertFeb 14 04:31
DaemonFC[m]These multiple versions are competing to see which is more fit to survive the conditions that are out there.Feb 14 04:31
schestowitzdriving 8 hour across a state for some useless "First shot"Feb 14 04:31
schestowitzand citing Israeli propagandaFeb 14 04:31
schestowitzanywayFeb 14 04:31
schestowitzbblFeb 14 04:31
DaemonFC[m]A Pfizer executive testified that the Coronavirus will almost certainly mutate to resist theirs, and they'll have to tweak it.Feb 14 04:32
DaemonFC[m]But if we can contain the problem quickly before there are many more mutations, then the hope is that we can kind of head that off.Feb 14 04:32
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DaemonFC[m]They're talking about being able to cut the production time in half again.Feb 14 04:33
DaemonFC[m]60 days for a batch instead of 110.Feb 14 04:33
techrights-bot#canonical (?) "Internal company chat is #Mattermost , and a couple of other projects use it." https://popey.com/blog/2021/02/messaging-overload/Feb 14 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Messaging Overload - Alan Pope's blogFeb 14 04:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: What concerns me is I've been seeing more people taking their masks off once they're inside Walmart. Nobody does anything.Feb 14 04:35
DaemonFC[m]So it's always been a situation where the damned thing is out there, but I just feel things are coming to a head soon if I didn't act, and they won't even let me get a vaccine, so it was 8 hours across a state for one of us.Feb 14 04:35
DaemonFC[m]The one who is at the most risk.Feb 14 04:36
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–‚โ–„โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 12.85 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 15.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 121.76  โŸฒFeb 14 04:36
DaemonFC[m]I explained what we knew about the vaccine and what the risks appear to be. Feb 14 04:38
DaemonFC[m]The "Facebook experts" are the ones that concern me here. They say "This guy got the vaccine and died a few days later.". People die all the time.Feb 14 04:39
DaemonFC[m]11% of the US population has had at least one dose. That's over 40 million people.Feb 14 04:39
DaemonFC[m]Some of them will die a few days after getting the vaccine and it would have happened either way because people die.Feb 14 04:39
techrights-bot๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜…Feb 14 04:40
techrights-botThings Most People Do After Installing #Debian โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147641 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Things Most People Do After Installing Debian | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:40
techrights-bot#ProprietarySoftware Shoehorned Into the #FreeSoftware World โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147640 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Shoehorned Into the Free Software World | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:41
techrights-botGNU Releases: #mailutils , tar and #FreeIPMI โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147639 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Releases: mailutils, tar and FreeIPMI | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My grandmother's nursing home has been declared COVID-free after the state came in and had all of the staff and residents vaccinated.Feb 14 04:45
techrights-bot#fedora 33 has new builds with fixes in them. https://jbwillia.wordpress.com/2021/02/13/f33-updated-live-isos-released-20210212/ #ibm #redhat #gnu #linuxFeb 14 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jbwillia.wordpress.com | F33 updated Live isos Released 20210212 | Jbwillia's WeblogFeb 14 04:47
DaemonFC[m]It was getting worse practically by the second.Feb 14 04:48
techrights-bot"Hereโ€™s your weekly #Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whatโ€™s coming up." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-06/Feb 14 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-06 โ€“ Fedora Community BlogFeb 14 04:50
techrights-botLatest High-Profile Videos/Audiocasts/Shows About GNU/Linux โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147646 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest High-Profile Videos/Audiocasts/Shows About GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:57
techrights-botLatest Additions to Linux and โ€™Killingโ€™ #UNIX โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147645 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Additions to Linux and 'Killing' UNIX | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:57
techrights-bot#Fedora and #IBM / #RedHat โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147644 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #LinuxFeb 14 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:57
techrights-botThe #TurrisOmnia #Security -Focused #Freesw Router โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147643 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Turris Omnia Security-Focused Open Source Router | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:58
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147642 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesFeb 14 04:58
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #meduza #ru #russia โ˜ž Every hour counts! Russian officials drafted legislation that would allow the #police to access peopleโ€™s geolocation data without judicial oversight. Useful streamlining or dangerous surveillance? https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/02/12/every-hour-countsFeb 14 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEFeb 14 04:59
schestowitztest http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/making-life-easier-with-freesw/Feb 14 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Makes Life Easier, Not Harder | TechrightsFeb 14 05:02
schestowitzokFeb 14 05:02
techrights-bot"How conservatives fell in love with trash culture, and why it reflects their rage." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/02/12/right-devolves-js-bach-skinhead-rockFeb 14 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Right Devolves From J.S. Bach to Skinhead RockFeb 14 05:04
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think my grandmother got the Moderna one.Feb 14 05:08
DaemonFC[m]I told mom, "I'll bet you still can't get her to stay in her room even with more than half the residents with it.". She said I was right.Feb 14 05:09
techrights-botLinks 14/2/2021: #Debian 11 'Bullseye' Freeze, Lots of KDE Developments โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/debian-11-bullseye-freeze/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSWFeb 14 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/2/2021: Debian 11 โ€œBullseyeโ€ Freeze, Lots of KDE Developments | TechrightsFeb 14 05:09
DaemonFC[m]So we were kind of cringing that it was taking the state so long to get out there.Feb 14 05:09
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–‚โ–„โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 12.85 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 15.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 121.53  โŸฒFeb 14 05:36
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techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–‚โ–„โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 12.85 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 15.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 121.31  โŸฒFeb 14 06:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: if it is abundant, the prices will go downFeb 14 07:11
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams #Health โ˜ž 'We Won't Be Intimidated,' Says NY AG After #Amazon Files Preemptive Suit Over #Covid19 Worker Safety https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/12/we-wont-be-intimidated-says-ny-ag-after-amazon-files-preemptive-suit-over-covid-19Feb 14 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'We Won't Be Intimidated,' Says NY AG After Amazon Files Preemptive Suit Over Covid-19 Worker Safety | Common Dreams NewsFeb 14 07:13
techrights-bot#Programming Leftovers โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147647 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesFeb 14 07:16
techrights-bot#HowTo Install #Java in Arch Linux and Manjaro โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147648 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Java in Arch Linux and Manjaro | Tux MachinesFeb 14 07:16
techrights-botDespite many fallacies and the lingering stigma, a life full of free (as in freedom) software is a much richer life, if not financially then in terms like personal contentment and personal freedom (including the freedom of expression) http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/making-life-easier-with-freesw/Feb 14 07:18
techrights-bot#Patent #litigation and #extortion zealots and profiteers are teaching how to get illegal #softwarepatents by calling these "Hey Hi" (AI hype) https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/02/program-on-patenting-artificial-intelligence.htmlFeb 14 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Program on Patenting Artificial IntelligenceFeb 14 07:21
techrights-botIt is a disgrace that journals would print smear campaign and words like "Efficient Infringement" to insinuate some companies that strive for sane patent law are just guilty and reckless https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3771052Feb 14 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | Efficient Infringement and the Rule of Law by Jorge L. Contreras :: SSRNFeb 14 07:34
techrights-botSome journals would print fluff, buzzwords and hype wave like "Hey Hi" instead of talking in actual, technical terms ttps://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3776236Feb 14 07:36
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–‚โ–„โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 12.85 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 15.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 121.08  โŸฒFeb 14 07:36
techrights-botDefecting from #science to being a parasite https://anchor.fm/howilawyerFeb 14 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anchor.fm | How I Lawyer Podcast with Jonah Perlin โ€ข A podcast on AnchorFeb 14 07:37
techrights-bot#Clearview are criminals. Pure evil not just because of what they do but also the pursuit of #fakepatents such as #swpats using buzzwords like "HEY HI" https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolinehaskins1/facial-recognition-clearview-patent-datingFeb 14 07:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeednews.com | This Clearview AI Patent Proposal Describes Using Facial Recognition For DatingFeb 14 07:38
techrights-bot#Canada adopting (or trying to adopt) what #EPO "Mafia" used to push for #softwarepatents in spite of their illegality ("problem-solution"): "new guidelines to computer-implemented inventions" https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/canadian-patent-law-2020-a-year-in-2069040/Feb 14 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadian Patent Law 2020: A Year in Review | Smart & Biggar - JDSupraFeb 14 07:44
techrights-bot#Apple is evil not just because of its mass #surveillance agenda (it misleads the public by misusing the words) but also this whole extremist #patent agenda, which it willfully facilitates https://www.biometricupdate.com/202102/lawsuit-alleges-apple-biometrics-infringe-patents-claims-against-amazon-sent-to-arbitrationFeb 14 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biometricupdate.com | Lawsuit alleges Apple biometrics infringe patents, claims against Amazon sent to arbitration | Biometric UpdateFeb 14 07:46
techrights-botSome people in the #eu -- and even elected officials -- call out the #FamousCriminal #billGates (stakeholder) for exploiting #patents to induce price hikes which deny poor people #AccessToMedicine https://zeenews.india.com/india/eu-parliamentarians-back-india-south-africa-proposal-for-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver-2339781.html see http://techrights.org/2021/02/04/twitter-berserk/Feb 14 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zeenews.india.com | EU parliamentarians back India-South Africa proposal for COVID-19 vaccine patent waiver | India News | Zee NewsFeb 14 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter: We Suspend Your Account For Quoting the Media About Bill Gates | TechrightsFeb 14 07:49
techrights-bot#helloSystem Releases New ISOs For This macOS-Inspired #BSD Desktop OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147467#comment-28268 #unixFeb 14 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | helloSystem is a FreeBSD Distro Modelled on Mac OS X (Off Topic) | Tux MachinesFeb 14 07:52
techrights-botProject #Tofino is doomed before they outsourced it to a #proprietarySoftware prison of #monopoly abuser #microsoft https://medium.com/project-tofino/introducing-datomish-a-flexible-embedded-knowledge-store-1d7976bff344 #deletegithubFeb 14 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Introducing Project Mentat, a flexible embedded knowledge store | by Richard Newman | Project Tofino | MediumFeb 14 07:58
techrights-botFranรงois Marier: Creating a Kodia media PC using a Raspberry Pi 4 http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/creating-kodi-media-pc-raspberry-pi/ maybe choose another SBC. #raspi is compromised: http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/Feb 14 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feeding.cloud.geek.nz | Creating a Kodia media PC using a Raspberry Pi 4Feb 14 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Fortnight After Installing Microsoft Surveillance and Keys on Millions of Computers Without Usersโ€™ Consent the Spin Comes From the Raspberry Pi Company (via Microsoft) | TechrightsFeb 14 07:59
techrights-botMonolithic Hybrid Micro Nano #Kernel OS and examples https://dwaves.de/2021/02/13/monolithic-hybrid-micro-nano-kernel-os-and-examples/Feb 14 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ยป Monolithic Hybrid Micro Nano Kernel OS and examples | dwaves.deFeb 14 08:02
techrights-botIs this a review or an ad? Hard to tell these days... https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/02/14/vacos-cam-ai-security-camera-review-part-1-specifications-unboxing-and-teardown/Feb 14 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Vacos Cam AI Security Camera Review - Part 1: Specifications, Unboxing and TeardownFeb 14 08:04
techrights-bot#Commell doomed its market prospects by going with an energy-wasting back-doored chip (when vastly better options exist) http://linuxgizmos.com/pico-itx-and-mini-itx-boards-take-off-with-tiger-lake/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaksFeb 14 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Pico-ITX and Mini-ITX boards take off with Tiger LakeFeb 14 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - TechrightsFeb 14 08:07
techrights-bot#MiriamBallhausen and #FSFE are connected, based on this post https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210214-01.en.html see http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/Feb 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Join us I Love Free Software Day 2021 - FSFEFeb 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | TechrightsFeb 14 08:10
psydroid<techrights-bot "#Commell doomed its market prosp"> They are being paid incentives to build such boards? I can't come up with a legitimate use case unless you need the compute power or the binary compatibility, both of which are hardly relevant for embedded devicesFeb 14 08:14
schestowitzmaybe they can add a diesel generator to that boardFeb 14 08:16
techrights-botTrust the checksum... until you cannot https://blog.bembel.net/2021/02/the-mysterious-change-of-a-checksum/Feb 14 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.bembel.net | The mysterious change of a checksum โ€“ bembel.netFeb 14 08:18
mjg59Commell have been selling Intel-based SBCs for over a decadeFeb 14 08:19
techrights-bot#KDE on #FreeBSD 2021O1 https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/02/13/freebsd.html #unix #bsdFeb 14 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD 2021O1 | [bobulate]Feb 14 08:20
mjg59Actually, looks like over two decadesFeb 14 08:20
techrights-bot"I have been looking into extending the coordinate-based timezone lookup system we have in #KItinerary , in order to ready it for being moved to #KDE Frameworks." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/02/13/osm-country-subdivision-boundary-polygons.htmlFeb 14 08:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | ISO 3166-1/2 Boundary PolygonsFeb 14 08:21
techrights-bot"Along with that I am going to continue my work on updating documents for #GNOME and my next task is updating Evince." https://pranalideshmukh.wordpress.com/2021/02/13/gsod-project-report/Feb 14 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pranalideshmukh.wordpress.com | GSoD Project Report โ€“ Pranali DeshmukhFeb 14 08:22
techrights-bot#IRC Proceedings: Saturday, February 13, 2021 โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/irc-log-130221/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSWFeb 14 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, February 13, 2021 | TechrightsFeb 14 08:26
techrights-botWe got some flattering words from a #gnu developer last night, after he had realised #techrights isn't just "some blog" but a whole team of people with lots of code and operations and devices around the world. We're bigger than we seem on the surface.Feb 14 08:27
techrights-botUsing #vpn on #microsoft #windows #vista10 for #privacy purposes it like going to brothels to reduce the chances of STD contraction associated with a relationshipFeb 14 08:29
techrights-botThere are so many issues associated with #privacy in Signal that I've lost track and count of them. But coup and imperialism (back doors) proponent Musk wants you to use it. As bad as an endorsement gets. https://gadgets.ndtv.com/how-to/features/signal-desktop-how-to-use-on-laptop-pc-mac-linux-windows-steps-guide-2368560Feb 14 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | How to Use Signal on Your Laptop or PC | NDTV Gadgets 360Feb 14 08:31
techrights-botIf you do not privately exchange keys with someone (no, nobody in the middle should do this) and if your system has back doors in it, you are NOT enjoying #privacy -- just the illusion of itFeb 14 08:32
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techrights-botWhat is Decision Trees http://ultralinux.org/post/what-is-decision-trees/ key concept in modern #programmingFeb 14 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ultralinux.org | What is Decision TreesFeb 14 08:34
techrights-ipfs โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–„โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–‚โ–„โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 12.85 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 15.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 120.85  โŸฒFeb 14 08:36
Ariadnethere are lots of x86 SBCsFeb 14 08:39
schestowitzyes, unfortunatelyFeb 14 08:43
schestowitz[09:23] <techrights-bot> โ— NEWS โ— #Bloomberg #GAFAM #softbank โ˜ž Google, Microsoft, Qualcomm Protest #Nvidia โ€™s Acquisition of Arm Ltd. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-12/google-microsoft-qualcomm-protest-nvidia-s-arm-acquisitionFeb 14 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Feb 14 08:43
schestowitz[09:23] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- Google, Microsoft, Qualcomm Protest Nvidiaโ€™s Arm Acquisition - BloombergFeb 14 08:43
schestowitz[09:23] <techrights-bot> โ— NEWS โ— #TheVerge #GAFAM #patents #monopoly #hardware โ˜ž Microsoft, Google, and Qualcomm are reportedly nervous about Nvidia acquiring Arm https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/12/22280262/qualcomm-microsoft-google-nvidia-arm-acquisition-investigations-concernsFeb 14 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft, Google, and Qualcomm are reportedly nervous about Nvidia acquiring Arm - The VergeFeb 14 08:43
schestowitz[09:23] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.theverge.com | Microsoft, Google, and Qualcomm are reportedly nervous about Nvidia acquiring Arm - The VergeFeb 14 08:43
mjg59So it's not clear why a company that's been making them for decades has doomed its market prospects by making another?Feb 14 08:44
schestowitzthe world is moving onFeb 14 08:44
schestowitzprice- and performance-wiseFeb 14 08:44
schestowitzbang for buck (of watt) improvedFeb 14 08:45
mjg59If their customers currently want x86, then trying to sell them something that isn't x86 seems like it would do more harm to their prospectsFeb 14 08:45
Ariadneyes, x86 sucksFeb 14 08:45
AriadnehoweverFeb 14 08:45
Ariadnethere's a lot of embedded linux distros that are x86Feb 14 08:46
Ariadneand stuff like pfsenseFeb 14 08:46
Ariadnethat usually gets deployed onto x86 SBCs like pcengines apu2Feb 14 08:46
Ariadnealso there are power efficient x86 cpus, such as geode.  they're not particularly speedy, but they're fast enough to push packets aroundFeb 14 08:46
Ariadnei would say x86 is still king in bespoke networking middleboxesFeb 14 08:47
Ariadnepart of the reason why is, a lot of NIC drivers and such make assumptions about x86 memory model in their codeFeb 14 08:47
techrights-botGive something from the heart to the #publicdomain https://opensource.com/article/21/2/public-domain you go first, #ibm ... maybe toss proprietary racist Watson at the public domain?Feb 14 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Give something from the heart to the public domain | Opensource.comFeb 14 08:48
Ariadnenow obviously there are more modern NPUs with integrated ARM CPUsFeb 14 08:48
Ariadneand those products are pretty goodFeb 14 08:49
Ariadnebut those products aren't necessarily supported by VyOS or pfSenseFeb 14 08:49
Ariadneand those NOS are basically king in networking middleboxesFeb 14 08:49
techrights-botSomething explosive about #google and #debian is about to come outFeb 14 08:50
Ariadneyes, world is moving on, but world is not fully moved on yet.  there's definitely life in the x86 SBC market for the next decadeFeb 14 08:50
techrights-botTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147649 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesFeb 14 08:51
AriadneIntel Atom is quite competitive performance/watt to ARM cores tooFeb 14 08:51
Ariadnea lot of the whitebox switches use Intel Atom SoCsFeb 14 08:51
techrights-botWhy programmers love Linux packaging โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147650 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #programmingFeb 14 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why programmers love Linux packaging | Tux MachinesFeb 14 08:51
techrights-bot#Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147651 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Google #Linux #TuxMachinesFeb 14 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesFeb 14 08:51
Ariadnealso, people doing networking don't necessarily chase the latest and greatestFeb 14 08:52
Ariadnethey tend to prefer solutions that they know are reliableFeb 14 08:52
Ariadneso, if they know some x86 SBC is reliable, they're going to stick with it until they need better capabilities, because they know it won't wake them up at 3 AMFeb 14 08:52
Ariadnemost people don't care about the low level details, they care about the appliance not waking them up at 3 AM because everything is downFeb 14 08:53
schestowitzI mentioned two aspectsFeb 14 08:54
schestowitzone was securityFeb 14 08:54
Ariadnethis is also why Marvell is still selling Octeon MIPS CPUs hand over fist despite all of their efforts going to ARMFeb 14 08:54
schestowitzthe other costs, esp. wrt powerFeb 14 08:54
Ariadnewell, x86 cores can be secureFeb 14 08:54
Ariadneand reasonably power efficientFeb 14 08:54
psydroidhttps://forum.opnsense.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=jopib31mjbb2b85chudbeuej3n&topic=12186.210Feb 14 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.opnsense.org | [Work In Progress] OPNsense Ported into ARM DevicesFeb 14 08:54
schestowitz:)_Feb 14 08:55
schestowitzbsdFeb 14 08:55
Ariadnebut the main thing people look for in a middlebox is uptimeFeb 14 08:55
Ariadneas long as it uses a reasonable power draw and is stable, they don't careFeb 14 08:55
schestowitzit amazes me how little power the raspi4 takes for how much computational powerFeb 14 08:55
schestowitzit can run on a couple of batteriesFeb 14 08:55
Ariadneraspi4 isn't appropriate for a middlebox thoFeb 14 08:55
schestowitzthe ones you buy in pound storesFeb 14 08:55
Ariadnenot enough I/OFeb 14 08:55
schestowitzyou can make a clusterFeb 14 08:56
Ariadneyou can get intel atom CPUs that use less than 5 watts power (like ARM) and have assloads of I/OFeb 14 08:56
schestowitznot that I would now... seeing raspi isn't doing anything at all to deescalate the microsoft blunderFeb 14 08:56
schestowitzthey help Microsoft use raspi as Trojan horse of Microsoft in classroomsFeb 14 08:56
schestowitz> assloads of I/OFeb 14 08:57
schestowitz"loading arse"Feb 14 08:57
schestowitz"loading complete"Feb 14 08:57
schestowitz"shit's going down"Feb 14 08:57
Ariadnethe atom p5942b has 32 lanes of PCIe in 5 wattsFeb 14 08:58
*psydroid expects Microsoft to acquire Raspberry Pi Inc for a few pennies OR celebrate its deathFeb 14 08:58
Ariadnethe only thing that gets close to that is some of the NXP layerscape stuff, but there's less cores than the atom hasFeb 14 08:59
Ariadneand atom doesn't have hyperthreadingFeb 14 08:59
Ariadneso most of the x86 security problems aren't presentFeb 14 08:59
psydroidare there Atoms with more than 16 cores?Feb 14 08:59
AriadnenoFeb 14 09:00
Ariadnebut the competing ARM NPU is the NXP layerscape 2160a which is higher power consumptionFeb 14 09:00
Ariadneand less PCIe lanes (though you have more SERDES lanes than the Atom has)Feb 14 09:00
schestowitzpsydroid: they've dug their own graves, BUT...Feb 14 09:01
schestowitzwe don't know who facilitated this infiltrationFeb 14 09:01
schestowitzcertainly not UptonFeb 14 09:01
schestowitzand he certainly isn't doing anything, at least not visibly (to the public) to tackle this issueFeb 14 09:01
schestowitzMicrosoft had a go at him about 4 years agoFeb 14 09:01
schestowitzto make raspi just a windows PCFeb 14 09:01
schestowitznot sure why they stopped, but surely something then happenedFeb 14 09:02
schestowitzand they have a go at them againFeb 14 09:02
schestowitzthe cult tactics are rather apparentFeb 14 09:02
schestowitzthey say you are "hater" and "bashing" if you say "No!"Feb 14 09:02
psydroidisn't that what Robert X. Cringely said about Microsoft?Feb 14 09:03
schestowitznoFeb 14 09:03
schestowitzhe said something elseFeb 14 09:03
schestowitzunless he said more thingsFeb 14 09:03
schestowitzhe talked about how gates and ballmer schemed to 'rob' allenFeb 14 09:03
psydroidfrom what I see they will keep trying until the plan has succeededFeb 14 09:04
Ariadneyeah well paul allen owns spectrum cable nowFeb 14 09:04
Ariadneor his family doesFeb 14 09:04
Ariadnesoooo he's not hurtingFeb 14 09:04
Ariadne(:Feb 14 09:04
schestowitzhe also has a patent trollFeb 14 09:05
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IntervalFeb 14 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Interval - TechrightsFeb 14 09:05
psydroidI'm wondering now if I was actually targetted as was a teacher of mine ,who is an open Microsoft critic, when I was invited to the opening of the quantum computing lab 2 years ago and it makes me not trust even my own universityFeb 14 09:08
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schestowitzthey target many peopleFeb 14 09:14
schestowitzme includedFeb 14 09:14
schestowitzseveral timesFeb 14 09:14
schestowitzthey're a dangerous cultFeb 14 09:14
schestowitzvis-a-vis:Feb 14 09:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/04/20/scientology-microsoft/Feb 14 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Government Delegate Compares Microsoft Methods to โ€œScientology Cultโ€ | TechrightsFeb 14 09:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/07/09/cult-mentality/Feb 14 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoftโ€™s Fingers in Every Pie: The Cult Mentality That Society Needs to Become Wary of | TechrightsFeb 14 09:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2012/04/28/microsoft-cult-vs-zachariades/Feb 14 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cult Mentality at Microsoft and Its Allies | TechrightsFeb 14 09:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/05/07/microsoft-breakdown/Feb 14 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Cult-Like Tactics Destroy Hospitals by Ripping Apart Everything Microsoft (and the NSA) Cannot Control | TechrightsFeb 14 09:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/01/30/microsoft-as-a-cult/Feb 14 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Like a Cult, According to Former Microsoft Insider | TechrightsFeb 14 09:15
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techrights-botHands-On with #ManjaroLinux ARM on Raspberry Pi 4: A Gem! โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147652 #gnu #linuxFeb 14 12:32
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techrights-botSelling Ourselves Out to #ProprietarySoftware #Monopolies โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/selling-ourselves-out/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #LinuxFeb 14 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Selling Ourselves Out to Proprietary Software Monopolies | TechrightsFeb 14 13:02
techrights-botData Science isn't a job or profession. It's an offense a lot of time. But they lobby our governments to make #surveillance the norm.Feb 14 13:11
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techrights-botConverting/Turning Your Web Site Into #Gemini Capsule is a Lot Simpler Than Youโ€™ve Probably Imagined โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/converting-to-gemini-capsules/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GeminiSpace #WWW #InternetFeb 14 13:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Converting/Turning Your Web Site Into Gemini Capsule is a Lot Simpler Than Youโ€™ve Probably Imagined | TechrightsFeb 14 13:43
techrights-botโ— NEWS โ— #CommonDreams โ˜ž 'A Complete Capitulation': Outrage as Democrats Abruptly Back Off Push for Witnesses in #Trump Trial https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/13/complete-capitulation-outrage-democrats-abruptly-back-push-witnesses-trump-trialFeb 14 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'A Complete Capitulation': Outrage as Democrats Abruptly Back Off Push for Witnesses in Trump Trial | Common Dreams NewsFeb 14 14:02
techrights-botThe #impeachment outcome shows that the United States will never be able to seriously preach any country anywhere (anymore) about "democracy" or "spreading democracy" or "respecting election" of "peaceful transition". It's over. USA is USSR.Feb 14 14:06
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Trump isn't coming back.Feb 14 14:21
DaemonFC[m]We voted him out and he didn't get more popular after the riot.Feb 14 14:21
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Samsung Clown is shutting down a bunch of stuff.Feb 14 14:23
DaemonFC[m]Says get your data out before they delete it.Feb 14 14:23
DaemonFC[m]They recommend moving to OneDrive.Feb 14 14:24
DaemonFC[m]I'll copy the email over to you in a couple hours.Feb 14 14:24
DaemonFC[m]I need to take Mandy to work and make sure none of my personal info is in here first.Feb 14 14:25
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techrights-botHow We Efficiently Manage the โ€™Techrights HQโ€™ โ€ข ๐“๐ž๐œ๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ โ‡จ http://techrights.org/2021/02/14/techrights-hq/ โ€ขโ—โ€ข #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSWFeb 14 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How We Efficiently Manage the โ€˜Techrights HQโ€™ | TechrightsFeb 14 15:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Might be worth writing about how Samsung is turning their Android phones into Microsoft phones with each new release.Feb 14 15:08
DaemonFC[m]They even set up the photo gallery to pester you to sign up for OneDrive with no way to to tell it no permanently. It comes back and asks again in a few weeks.Feb 14 15:09
techrights-botToday in #Techrights โ€ข ๐—ง๐˜‚๐˜… ๐— ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147653 โ€ขโ—โ€ข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachineFeb 14 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesFeb 14 15:10
DaemonFC[m]"More than 600,000 Americans will have died of coronavirus by June 1, model forecasts." - CNNFeb 14 15:13
DaemonFC[m]Why are they bothering us with that fake model that Trump cited that said 62,000 dead by August and then it would stop? It's 500,000 already.Feb 14 15:14
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DaemonFC[m]"Putin has come up with a new excuse: He first has to receive other vaccinations and therefore can't get Sputnik V until the end of the summer."Feb 14 15:51
DaemonFC[m]Riiight.Feb 14 15:51
CrystalMathhundreds of thousands here received Sputnik-VFeb 14 15:52
CrystalMathbut i personally would go with SinopharmFeb 14 15:52
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I really don't think that will be the vaccine of choice either way.Feb 14 15:56
DaemonFC[m]It's a propaganda tool more than anything.Feb 14 15:58
DaemonFC[m]The Russians say we approved something before anyone else did, and then there's no credible data on how well it works.Feb 14 15:58
DaemonFC[m]They just starts injecting people with it to hopefully put a lid on the Coronavirus so fewer important people will catch it.Feb 14 15:58
DaemonFC[m]*startFeb 14 15:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: "hopefully" is exactly the right word.Feb 14 15:59
DaemonFC[m]Traditional vaccines are very inefficient, and that's sort of the thing that makes mRNA vaccines a big prize. You can keep all of the secondary ingredients out, and hopefully have lower production costs, spin up production with less waste, and give the patient a more effective vaccine.Feb 14 16:00
DaemonFC[m]So if it works, it's win-win-win for everyone around, but it's too soon to say.Feb 14 16:00
DaemonFC[m]The spike protein mRNA is delivered either way, it's just that with more traditional vaccines, there's other stuff in there, which means it's more likely to go awry when you inject the patient with it.Feb 14 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Either with side effects or lower efficacy.Feb 14 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Putin's claim that Sputnik V is the most advanced vaccine ever is laughable. There's nothing particularly unique about it. Most countries and vaccine companies chose to develop vaccines that are similar in nature.Feb 14 16:02
DaemonFC[m]Sputnik V is probably about as safe/effective as the Johnson & Johnson one or the AstraZeneca/Oxford one.Feb 14 16:03
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It was not a statement targeted at the competent people.Feb 14 16:03
DaemonFC[m]If all I could get access to was the J&J one, then I would sit down and take it because it beats nothing, which is where we're at now unless you're on a priority list.Feb 14 16:04
XRevan86It's a statement of patriotism that Russia is ahead of everyone else once again.Feb 14 16:04
XRevan86It doesn't matter that it's not true.Feb 14 16:04
DaemonFC[m]Technically, the US FDA could have approved the Pfizer and Moderna ones in May and we would have beaten Russia by a month.Feb 14 16:04
DaemonFC[m]There wouldn't have been a Phase II trial, but it would be technically correct.Feb 14 16:05
DaemonFC[m]For something that's never been tried before, skipping even the bare minimum of testing is pretty dangerous. Russia tested Sputnik on a couple hundred people and when (they claim) nothing went wrong over a couple of weeks, they approved it.Feb 14 16:06
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Russia's cut corners and has beaten US in the race fair and square :DFeb 14 16:06
DaemonFC[m]If that's your only standard of safety, then yeah. You got there first.Feb 14 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Like the Olympic athletes that were "students".Feb 14 16:07
DaemonFC[m]"Students" who were paid by the state to train full time for the Olympics and doped with steroids.Feb 14 16:07
DaemonFC[m]Yes, Soviet Union win many medals with marvelous amateur athletes.Feb 14 16:07
CrystalMathSputnik-V is very similar to the AstraZeneca vaccineFeb 14 16:08
DaemonFC[m]Comrade Colonel Putin very pleased indeed.Feb 14 16:08
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DaemonFC[m]Shake many hand.Feb 14 16:08
CrystalMathi think both are very intersting approachesFeb 14 16:09
CrystalMathbut i would rather go with the tried-and-true traditional vaccineFeb 14 16:09
DaemonFC[m]I actually feel sorry for them that the USSR collapsed instead of undergoing reform.Feb 14 16:09
DaemonFC[m]We have a much worse problem now. China.Feb 14 16:10
CrystalMathi've changed my mind about china, i think they're almost okay nowFeb 14 16:10
DaemonFC[m]The living standards and life expectancy in Russia now is worse for most people than it was before the USSR collapsed.Feb 14 16:10
CrystalMathwhat are you talking about? russia is greatFeb 14 16:11
DaemonFC[m]It's incredibly lopsided, but that's going on in the US worse than before.Feb 14 16:12
DaemonFC[m]Once the threat of organized labor and Socialism passed, big business in the US started gradually lowering the standard of living to take more profit.Feb 14 16:12
*XRevan86 typed "Sputink-V" into a search engine.Feb 14 16:13
DaemonFC[m]At the same time, brainwashing people like mom and dad to defend the system that ended their careers, stole their pension, and gave them $10,000 deductible health insurance.Feb 14 16:13
DaemonFC[m]Trump was talking about Obamacare. He said "You have to be hit by a tractor to get past your annual deductible.".Feb 14 16:13
DaemonFC[m]Not far from the truth.Feb 14 16:14
DaemonFC[m]Mom actually gets shittier health insurance as a nurse than Mandy does as a Walmart worker.Feb 14 16:14
DaemonFC[m]His deductible is $2,200 a year, hers is $8,800 in network.Feb 14 16:14
XRevan86Lots of Vladimir Milov references. I guess he coined it :)Feb 14 16:14
DaemonFC[m]His maximum annual out of pocket costs are $8,350. Hers are over $12,000.Feb 14 16:15
DaemonFC[m]I think America might be the only country where people take Uber to the hospital to avoid a $5,000 ambulance ride.Feb 14 16:15
XRevan86And then there are some neutral statements where it looks like a genuine type.Feb 14 16:15
DaemonFC[m]Then have to check an app while they're having a heart attack to make sure the hospital is in network.Feb 14 16:15
XRevan86* typoFeb 14 16:15
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: I took an Uber to the ER once.Feb 14 16:16
DaemonFC[m]The ambulance co-pay on my insurance is $500. The Uber was $20.Feb 14 16:16
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Was the taxi faster too?Feb 14 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Feb 14 16:17
DaemonFC[m]The guy was driving like a bat out of hell.Feb 14 16:17
DaemonFC[m]America! Fuck yeah! Here to save the motherfucking day y'all!Feb 14 16:17
DaemonFC[m]Just wrap it in some paper towels and call an Uber.Feb 14 16:17
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MinceR14 165827 < DaemonFC[m]> The Russians say we approved something before anyone else did, and then there's no credible data on how well it works.Feb 14 17:15
MinceRthey "approved" it before they did any testingFeb 14 17:15
MinceRbut that's good enough for orban to force other people to take it.Feb 14 17:16
MinceR14 171116 < CrystalMath> what are you talking about? russia is greatFeb 14 17:17
MinceRyou should try living in it, thenFeb 14 17:17
CrystalMathit sounds really goodFeb 14 17:17
CrystalMathno great reset, no carbon footprint cardFeb 14 17:17
MinceRwe should deport all the "conservatives" into russia and build a big dome on top of itFeb 14 17:17
MinceRso they'll poison their own air, not oursFeb 14 17:18
MinceRand they'll make life hell for each other, not usFeb 14 17:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Mom got mad at me when I said let's suppose that this happened in 1918 instead of the flu.Feb 14 17:21
DaemonFC[m]Everyone prays to God, they have no vaccines or ventilators which were developed later by scientists.Feb 14 17:21
DaemonFC[m]5% of the world population eventually dies of COVID.Feb 14 17:22
XRevan86MinceR: NononononoFeb 14 17:22
DaemonFC[m]The Christians vilify scientists.Feb 14 17:23
XRevan86MinceR: Keep them, take ours too.Feb 14 17:23
MinceRlolFeb 14 17:23
MinceRwe could let the sane people move out of russia firstFeb 14 17:23
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MinceRor partition it so the dome wouldn't have to have such a complex shape anywayFeb 14 17:24
DaemonFC[m]They pack church and then pray for each other AFTER they get the disease, and walk around Walmart spreading it to people who are just ringing up groceries who didn't even do anything wrong.Feb 14 17:24
DaemonFC[m]Potentially killing those people and their family.Feb 14 17:24
DaemonFC[m]So that they get their weekly pep talk about how much good God is doing for them (not a lot).Feb 14 17:24
XRevan86MinceR: I have a compromise. Take just Moscow.Feb 14 17:24
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: How are things on that front in the UK? Did they sue to get churches open or is the government there a bit more sane about this?Feb 14 17:24
XRevan86spare the restFeb 14 17:24
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: This will eventually turn into a disease that disproportionately affects and kills people who are just generally ignorant.Feb 14 17:25
MinceRlolFeb 14 17:25
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: that sounds way to good to be trueFeb 14 17:25
DaemonFC[m]Because in a few months the vaccine will be available to at least most people who want it.Feb 14 17:25
MinceRthe vaccine will be available in the free worldFeb 14 17:26
DaemonFC[m]You mean you aren't going to get Comrade Colonel's injection?Feb 14 17:26
MinceRcrap with unreliable documentation, unreliable labeling and unknown contents will be available in this shithole country insteadFeb 14 17:26
MinceRbut you can be sure that the nazis will do everything they can to please other dictators with the dealFeb 14 17:26
MinceRhopefully there will be a way to go to western europe and get some genuine, tested vaccine there eventuallyFeb 14 17:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: If I had to guess, without knowing much of anything, it probably played out about like how the Republicans took over Indiana.Feb 14 17:27
DaemonFC[m]People hate taxes, and the only thing they hate more than taxes are the idea that it's being spent on "the undeserving poor".Feb 14 17:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Look what we had to go to halfass a healthcare reform law.Feb 14 17:28
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Again, he's Lt. Colonel!Feb 14 17:28
DaemonFC[m]It places extreme emphasis on getting work, even if there is no work.Feb 14 17:28
XRevan86big differenceFeb 14 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Comrade Colonel disagrees. You'll be getting a glitter bomb from him soon with ricin.Feb 14 17:29
DaemonFC[m]He's watching you.Feb 14 17:29
MinceRthere is something the "conservatives" live spending taxes on, thoughFeb 14 17:30
MinceRit's enforcing religious rules, especially against people who haven't asked for itFeb 14 17:30
MinceRs/liv/lov/Feb 14 17:30
MinceRthis is called "small government"Feb 14 17:30
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They like taxes. They fund their campaigns to terrorize people who don't look or think like them.Feb 14 17:30
DaemonFC[m]Indiana has spent tens of millions of dollars in court fighting and losing on gay marriage and whether people can choose X on their driver's license under "gender" or not.Feb 14 17:31
DaemonFC[m]It's shit like this.Feb 14 17:31
DaemonFC[m]That's not small government.Feb 14 17:31
DaemonFC[m]Do you know how many people paid taxes in Indiana all year to have the state seize that and spend it attacking other people in court, just to lose?Feb 14 17:32
DaemonFC[m]They could have bought food or paid the rent. Instead, the state took it and paid lawyers to make frivolous arguments that not even Republican judges went along with.Feb 14 17:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Conservatives love vexatious litigation.Feb 14 17:33
DaemonFC[m]It's part of the re-election campaign, not intended to actually win.Feb 14 17:33
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AVRSXRevan86: a more profitable option: Moscow could try selling SPb for thatFeb 14 18:04
AVRSBonus: if the most extreme conservatives don't fit, they drownFeb 14 18:10
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XRevan86AVRS: I don't want to move, so I'd rather not.Feb 14 18:21
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MinceR(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/05/13ca663355c4b7b0.mp4Feb 14 18:33
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MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/05/4989e0fc2484929e.mp4Feb 14 18:56
DaemonFC[m]I've been considering this more, and I think we should probably be sending the bulk of the vaccines in Illinois to the counties bordering Wisconsin and Iowa.Feb 14 19:01
DaemonFC[m]Wisconsin's Supreme Court banned the entire emergency order, including masks, and Iowa's governor banned mask ordinances and reopened the schools.Feb 14 19:02
DaemonFC[m]We're seeing a much bigger population-adjusted problem in the counties bordering those states than anywhere else in Illinois, and I think it's because of that. People coming over across the state line a little bit into Illinois and spreading it here.Feb 14 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]It's ultimately up to the states to decide who is eligible and prioritized, but the states with the worst results are the ones listening to the federal government.Feb 14 19:04
DaemonFC[m]The federal government's recommendations are creating bottlenecks in delivery even during a shortage of vaccine doses.Feb 14 19:05
DaemonFC[m]I think that Pfizer definitely wants to make more, because Roy's suggestion that scarcity drives up price doesn't hold when the government has promised them a fixed price.Feb 14 19:06
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DaemonFC[m]If people weren't getting the costs covered 100% by the government or the insurance companies, and Pfizer had no set quotas, then I think they'd have an incentive to create shortages to drive prices up.Feb 14 19:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: CNN has another Bill Gates story. Feb 14 19:07
DaemonFC[m]His daughter got the vaccine and says it's unfortunate they can't inject her dad's "genius" into her.Feb 14 19:08
MinceRdoes the author believe there's a shortage of criminals?Feb 14 19:08
DaemonFC[m]She has grammatical errors in her tweet.Feb 14 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Says she's glad the mRNA is "teaching my body to amount a defense".Feb 14 19:09
DaemonFC[m]:)Feb 14 19:09
MinceR:)Feb 14 19:09
DaemonFC[m]"As a medical student..." they should send her to English 101.Feb 14 19:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: My mom keeps saying they have a lot of "dialects" in the Philippines.Feb 14 19:11
DaemonFC[m]I said, "You mean they have many languages. A difference in dialect would be different forms of the same language.".Feb 14 19:11
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I would say she's slipping, but her world view is so warped that between ignorance and prejudice.....Feb 14 19:13
DaemonFC[m]She was ranting about Joe Biden causing gas in her town to be $2.95, so I looked at it on GasBuddy. It was $2.45 yesterday and it's $2.30 today.Feb 14 19:14
MinceRyou've said so beforeFeb 14 19:14
DaemonFC[m]I think she's so frightened by the world that she just makes up a different one in her head to live in.Feb 14 19:15
DaemonFC[m]There's some danger out there, but it's not as bad as you'd be led to believe unless you're watching a steady diet of junk news.Feb 14 19:15
DaemonFC[m]The Coronavirus is more dangerous than violent crime.Feb 14 19:16
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__ isn't always correct about danger assessments either.Feb 14 19:16
DaemonFC[m]There's about 37,500 Americans killed per year in car accidents. Feb 14 19:17
DaemonFC[m]We're a month away from 12 full months of significant Coronavirus deaths. Already at 500,000. At this rate, we'll be at roughly 570,000 or so (official) by the end of March.Feb 14 19:18
DaemonFC[m]So that's at least car accidents multiplied by 15.Feb 14 19:19
DaemonFC[m]And as Roy pointed out, they're probably undercounting Coronavirus deaths by at least 25-30%.Feb 14 19:19
MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/05/c29a4a365fb988cb.mp4Feb 14 19:20
DaemonFC[m]There's no reason to think that the next 12 months of COVID in the US will be any better than last year unless vaccination presses forward.Feb 14 19:21
DaemonFC[m]I really do wish that they'd stop handing the microphone to Bill Gates. It's obvious what's happening. No legitimate news company interviews a guy who never graduated college about a pandemic 200 times over the course of a year without bribes.Feb 14 19:22
DaemonFC[m]There may or may not be anything wrong with the vaccines, but putting him in the spotlight hurts credibility.Feb 14 19:22
XRevan86MinceR: -1 bicycleFeb 14 19:24
MinceR:)Feb 14 19:24
DaemonFC[m]You can have 2 bicycles per train car on Metra during non-rush hour trains.Feb 14 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Maybe not during COVID, but who knows?Feb 14 19:28
DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/14/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.htmlFeb 14 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US Coronavirus: Covid-19 cases have declined sharply. These factors will determine how pandemic unfolds from here, group of experts says - CNNFeb 14 19:39
DaemonFC[m]"winning the war"Feb 14 19:39
DaemonFC[m]There is no war. No matter what happens, we didn't win.Feb 14 19:39
DaemonFC[m]It's a question of how bad did we get our asses kicked before we managed to gain some control over the disaster.Feb 14 19:39
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Mom said there's someone she works with who didn't want to get Chinese take out because "Aren't they the ones who are making the virus?".Feb 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, they have a little germ warfare lab back there in the kitchen.".Feb 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]"Better call the health department who said this was low risk."Feb 14 19:41
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/06/8e46ba2f138dcdeb.jpgFeb 14 19:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The Republicans have basically given up trying for the Illinois legislature are are trying to pick off some seats on the state Supreme Court instead.Feb 14 20:13
DaemonFC[m]They managed to flip a seat last year in a major upset.Feb 14 20:13
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DaemonFC[m]Unlike legislative districts that change, each region of Illinois is guaranteed seats on the Supreme Court even if there are few people living there.Feb 14 20:14
DaemonFC[m]So downstate Illinois has lost influence in the legislature, but can still have some on the Supreme Court.Feb 14 20:14
DaemonFC[m]So the thinking goes that they may pick up enough seats to start overturning laws with judicial review.Feb 14 20:15
DaemonFC[m]I don't see it happening, but the fact that they flipped one last year shocked me.Feb 14 20:15
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schestowitz__>> Ballhausen and FSFE are connected, based on this postFeb 14 20:27
schestowitz__>> https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210214-01.en.html seeFeb 14 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Join us I Love Free Software Day 2021 - FSFEFeb 14 20:27
schestowitz__>>Feb 14 20:27
schestowitz__>>  http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/Feb 14 20:27
schestowitz__>>Feb 14 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | TechrightsFeb 14 20:27
schestowitz__> Feb 14 20:27
schestowitz__> I have something more about Ballhausen in the pipeline tooFeb 14 20:27
liberty_boxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chBitgIdyTkFeb 14 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seal "Julius" FINALLY rescued! - YouTubeFeb 14 20:30
vZS1Look at this propaganda: https://www.reviewgeek.com/71050/raspberry-pi-finally-gets-a-great-text-editor-from-microsoft/Feb 14 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reviewgeek.com | Raspberry Pi Finally Gets a Great Text Editorโ€”From Microsoft โ€“ Review GeekFeb 14 20:31
DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/14/europe/europe-crises-intl-analysis/index.htmlFeb 14 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The EU is facing the most serious crises in its history. Many are wondering if anyone's in charge - CNNFeb 14 20:35
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DaemonFC[m]There's been significant disagreements between US states, and lawsuits, but nothing of the sort where one dominates federal politics above all of the rest.Feb 14 20:37
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: on topic, please...Feb 14 20:37
schestowitz__vallor: disturbing and not uniqueFeb 14 20:39
schestowitz__I saw similar pieces from people connected to MicrosoftFeb 14 20:39
schestowitz__They use the whole thing as a "win" and "success story"Feb 14 20:39
Techrights-secThe shills have been out in droves over the RPi attack.Feb 14 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft hasn't really made any great text editors.Feb 14 20:39
DaemonFC[m]It just makes a lot of them.Feb 14 20:39
schestowitz__atom is deadFeb 14 20:39
schestowitz__so they killed at least one moreFeb 14 20:39
DaemonFC[m]The same thing that's going on with the terminal program situation in Windows happened with text editing on Windows.Feb 14 20:40
Techrights-secThey are trying to spin it as other than what happened: an attack against RPFFeb 14 20:40
Techrights-secThere is no situation in which it is advantageous for RPF to partner withFeb 14 20:40
Techrights-secMSFTFeb 14 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Money. It's all about the money.Feb 14 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Like the FSF taking money from IBM. Money that is not just IBM being generous.Feb 14 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Money that goes beyond what the FSF needs to operate.Feb 14 20:41
DaemonFC[m]It's turning into another Linux Foundation very quickly now that RMS is gone.Feb 14 20:41
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DaemonFC[m]The money is "Here, take this and don't cause problems for us while we do these things.".Feb 14 20:42
schestowitz__yupFeb 14 20:43
schestowitz__that's how it worksFeb 14 20:43
schestowitz__shareholder would sue if it was just "free money"Feb 14 20:43
schestowitz__free from obligations and stringsFeb 14 20:43
schestowitz__Google is a worse offender than IBM in this regardsFeb 14 20:43
schestowitz__They prepare decades in advanceFeb 14 20:43
schestowitz__sough to muzzle criticsFeb 14 20:43
schestowitz__*soughtFeb 14 20:43
DaemonFC[m]I've never seen any real criticism of Google in the mass media, aside from conservatives claiming that they were being censored.Feb 14 20:44
schestowitz__this is untrueFeb 14 20:44
DaemonFC[m]I don't get how. I saw ads for Trump all over Google.Feb 14 20:44
schestowitz__Google does get blasted occasionallyFeb 14 20:44
DaemonFC[m]They work with ICE.Feb 14 20:44
schestowitz__for all sorts of thingsFeb 14 20:44
schestowitz__Sometimes Microsoft eggs them onFeb 14 20:44
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't seem to have traction if they are getting criticized.Feb 14 20:45
DaemonFC[m]People have been programmed by huge corporations to defend DRM programs that are restricting them from using their own computer, even for basic fair use purposes.Feb 14 20:46
DaemonFC[m]So you look at reviews of things with DRM and it's not people going this is wrong, it's people saying things like "Microsoft Janus was a disaster because reasons, and Apple developed something that wasn't so apparently obnoxious.". At least, of course, until you try to use your purchased items 10-20 years later.Feb 14 20:47
DaemonFC[m]The DRM scheme has shut down, and you're in exactly the same boat that Walmart Music put people in with Janus a little bit sooner.Feb 14 20:47
DaemonFC[m]Now we're calling it Widevine.Feb 14 20:47
DaemonFC[m]If people never got around to deleting and re-downloading their iTunes library free of DRM and backing it up to save it from their Mac deleting it and recommending Apple Music, they have lost thousands of dollars, perhaps.Feb 14 20:48
DaemonFC[m]Did they learn anything? No. Call it streaming now. Take away anything that implies ownership, then people just turn over money all the time.Feb 14 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Mandy didn't understand why I used the library to get stuff and played it on my disc player at home.Feb 14 20:50
DaemonFC[m]I explained how we'd be out several hundred dollars each year when I drive past the library every day anyway.Feb 14 20:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I had to explain everything to him, including zero-based budgeting, savings bonds, using credit cards for points but never anything you wouldn't have bought with cash.Feb 14 20:52
vZS1Google will take any Ad revenue they get. They don't care who they take it from. Just like Facebook.Feb 14 20:52
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I would say maybe the people in the Philippines don't plan long term and for robustness, but people in general don't.Feb 14 20:53
DaemonFC[m]Be it because they're from a poor place or just a country full of slobs.Feb 14 20:53
DaemonFC[m]The dude at the bank was trying to upsell us to some checking account with fees, because you could get more points out of another credit card. I said, "Nah. Honestly, the only reason you got my attention with this card is because 4% on gas as a permanent category is a good deal.".Feb 14 20:55
DaemonFC[m]Stallman seems a bit paranoid. If the government is watching anything I buy they could know that I gas up my car and buy dented canned goods at this very moment.Feb 14 20:56
vZS1He's not paranoid. He's right about the surveillance state.Feb 14 20:57
DaemonFC[m]<vZS1 "Google will take any Ad revenue "> They buy up credit card purchase data. Even about people who never use Google.Feb 14 20:57
schestowitz__yupFeb 14 20:57
DaemonFC[m]Banks don't give you things "for free", and everyone should know the cost of those rewards points is some of their privacy.Feb 14 20:58
schestowitz__RMS was not just rightFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__he foresaw these issues before they became realFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__in some areas at leastFeb 14 20:58
vZS1It's a  shame he let his organization get infiltrated and his software as wellFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__because of the potential for abuseFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__which soon before more than just potentialFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__vZS1: trueFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__but he's stillFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__thereFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__albeitFeb 14 20:58
schestowitz__rarely speaks out for it anymoreFeb 14 20:58
vZS1I read his political notes every day. At least he's not silenced to talk about thatFeb 14 20:59
DaemonFC[m]The banks are gutting their other credit card perks I noticed.Feb 14 21:00
DaemonFC[m]No more price protection anymore. I was hearing of people saying "I bought a computer and then it went on sale and my bank sent me a $200 check.".Feb 14 21:00
DaemonFC[m]So I got a few claims of that size in myself.Feb 14 21:00
DaemonFC[m]They figure out what they need to toss you as bait and do nothing beyond that.Feb 14 21:01
DaemonFC[m]And it's the same with corporate cash going to the FSF, Raspberry Pi, etc.Feb 14 21:01
vZS1I boycotted the Raspberry Spy Foundation. They're never getting a recommendation from me ever again.Feb 14 21:03
DaemonFC[m]In most cases, it's not much.Feb 14 21:03
schestowitz__vZS1: the latest response from them was awfulFeb 14 21:04
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/2021/02/13/raspberry-pi-making-things-worse/Feb 14 21:04
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schestowitz__I never expected it to be THIS badFeb 14 21:04
schestowitz__They are being OLPCdFeb 14 21:04
schestowitz__coming soon: a BETTER raspiFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__with Intel i-somethingFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__and option to choose between Vista 10 or "our own" Raspi OSFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__Debian renamedFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__exploitedFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__with repos of MicrosoftFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__so you get Microsoft either wayFeb 14 21:05
schestowitz__it's a good thing that the SBCs market is rapidly getting saturatedFeb 14 21:05
vZS1I have repeatedly told people that package managers allow things like this to be smuggled in. This was caught, not all of them get noticed.Feb 14 21:06
vZS1Use software with transparent make files or throw it in the garbage where it belongsFeb 14 21:06
vZS1There's no lack of optionsFeb 14 21:07
DaemonFC[m]Yes, which is why I've always wondered what else Google or Opera could install on your computer if you add their repo by installing their browser.Feb 14 21:07
DaemonFC[m]They could just make their package depend on something else in their repo and you have that on your computer now.Feb 14 21:07
vZS1suckless tools for example are clean to buildFeb 14 21:07
DaemonFC[m]If they get broken into, someone could use it to push out malware.Feb 14 21:07
vZS1Their obfuscated software is the malwareFeb 14 21:08
vZS1That's why they don't want people to know how it gets builtFeb 14 21:08
vZS1Deliberately making things complex just to create artificial work is another problem. If you can't settle on the source for a simple utility for over a decade you're either an absolute idiot or just deliberately complicating things.Feb 14 21:10
vZS1Web browsers are the best example. The source is pure spaghetti. Feb 14 21:11
vZS1And so are the buildsFeb 14 21:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: I was looking on Wikipedia, and it cites the Pfizer vaccine as about 86% effective three weeks after the first dose.Feb 14 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Would it not just be better to give everyone one dose so that we could vaccinate twice as many people?Feb 14 21:14
vZS1They don't even use macros properly for their spaghetti builds.Feb 14 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Assuming that these figures are accurate.Feb 14 21:15
DaemonFC[m]https://wgntv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2021/02/Cornoavirus-COVID-19-Illinois-State-Flag-MON-OTS-2-3.pngFeb 14 21:37
DaemonFC[m]Then there was this.Feb 14 21:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: What I hate are all those damned toll roads.Feb 14 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Going around them easily added another 20-30 minutes each way going downstate.Feb 14 21:40
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DaemonFC[m]The CDC says they expect the UK variant to go from being 4% of all new COVID-19 cases in the US now to over half by March.Feb 14 21:48
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: let's try tp focus on techFeb 14 21:49
schestowitz__vaccines are sort of otFeb 14 21:49
schestowitz__and nobody here is an expert in that areaFeb 14 21:49
schestowitz__CNN isn't a valid source to me, it's too deep in bed with corporations, wikipedia might as well be gamed by PR departments of theirsFeb 14 21:49
schestowitz__vZS1: I agree about browsersFeb 14 21:50
schestowitz__just building one is hellishFeb 14 21:50
schestowitz__iirc, building chromium takes like gigabytes of stuffFeb 14 21:50
schestowitz__that's just to get startedFeb 14 21:50
*psydroid is getting hungry due to all the spaghetti talkFeb 14 21:50
schestowitz__how would you even properly debug such a thingFeb 14 21:50
MinceR:)Feb 14 21:50
schestowitz__and then you have lots of unpredicable web pageFeb 14 21:50
schestowitz__can you tweak and debug for each bloated page?Feb 14 21:51
schestowitz__firefox spies on users and reports to moz problematic/slow agesFeb 14 21:51
schestowitz__so they spy to "improve the experience"Feb 14 21:51
schestowitz__and then  look at "big data"Feb 14 21:51
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psydroidwhat made things worse for me when I did still bother to build Firefox (on x86, PowerPC, MIPS and SPARC) was that the code developed violated my first principle of portability and patches were always needed to get them built on non-x86 architecturesFeb 14 22:05
vZS1Mozilla are planning to put Microsoft tools into the Firefox build chainFeb 14 22:06
vZS1It's a lost causeFeb 14 22:06
MinceR(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21020511Feb 14 22:06
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XRevan86vZS1: Didn't they just remove some?Feb 14 22:06
vZS1They'll never fix it because that's against their business modelFeb 14 22:06
XRevan86what are they doing now?Feb 14 22:07
schestowitz__github hosted or msft?Feb 14 22:07
vZS1The latterFeb 14 22:07
vZS1It's in the build docs. They state it proudlyFeb 14 22:07
schestowitz__yuckFeb 14 22:07
schestowitz__http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/Feb 14 22:08
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schestowitz__maybe beyond repair nowFeb 14 22:08
schestowitz__for security they previously hired from MSFTRFeb 14 22:08
vZS1Has been for a whileFeb 14 22:08
vZS1"security"Feb 14 22:08
schestowitz__and that person then used Mozilla's hat to praise Microsoft for "security"Feb 14 22:08
schestowitz__she later left or they got rid of herFeb 14 22:08
schestowitz__I have never heard of her sinceFeb 14 22:08
schestowitz__about 7 years agoFeb 14 22:09
schestowitz__btw, re raspiFeb 14 22:09
schestowitz__look into their microsoft blunder 4-5 years agoFeb 14 22:09
schestowitz__they managed to recover from itFeb 14 22:09
schestowitz__undoing the whole "windows on pi" coupFeb 14 22:09
schestowitz__so I am not giving up just yetFeb 14 22:09
schestowitz__but someone has to do something, FASTFeb 14 22:09
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vZS1You already need Python 3.6 to build FirefoxFeb 14 22:13
vZS1That's the first red flagFeb 14 22:13
vZS130GB of free disk spaceFeb 14 22:14
vZS1Second red flagFeb 14 22:14
psydroidlots of compute powerFeb 14 22:15
psydroidunlimited number of flags?Feb 14 22:15
vZS14GB of RAM with 4GB swap. Third red flagFeb 14 22:15
vZS1Dropped 32-bit support. Fourth red flagFeb 14 22:16
XRevan86https://youtu.be/4co7eHD2hJUFeb 14 22:16
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vZS1Clang instead of GCC. Fifth red flagFeb 14 22:16
vZS1Freedom my arse. And their concern trolling posts about privacy my arseFeb 14 22:17
schestowitz__[22:14] <vZS1> 30GB of free disk spaceFeb 14 22:20
psydroidI already visit Techrights on Gemini first, but have to go back to a web browser for the latest articles and videosFeb 14 22:20
schestowitz__!!Feb 14 22:20
vZS1Mozilla Public License. Sixth red flagFeb 14 22:20
schestowitz__psydroid: how often should latest articles be updated in gemini?Feb 14 22:20
schestowitz__we can adjust thatFeb 14 22:21
schestowitz__we already speak to some core gemini people about syndication (they have something similar to RSS but simpler)Feb 14 22:21
schestowitz__vZS1: you use brave, iirc?Feb 14 22:22
vZS1IceCatFeb 14 22:22
psydroidschestowitz_, I don't want to put too much load on you, but maybe once every 3 hours instead of 6 would already be an immense improvementFeb 14 22:23
vZS1I'm going to try out surf from suckless, when I find the time.Feb 14 22:25
schestowitz__vZS1: use geminiFeb 14 22:25
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schestowitz__icecat is ffFeb 14 22:25
schestowitz__falkon is ok, but uses blink or similarFeb 14 22:25
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schestowitz__lost track of which, over ttimeFeb 14 22:25
schestowitz__qupzilla used blinkFeb 14 22:25
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schestowitz__i do almost everything from qupzilla and falkonFeb 14 22:26
vZS1surf uses webkit2, I thinkFeb 14 22:26
schestowitz__falkon on the newer OSFeb 14 22:26
schestowitz__it's still qupzilla in repos of older LTSsFeb 14 22:26
vZS1Yeah. WebKit2Feb 14 22:26
schestowitz__same trouble as google monocultureFeb 14 22:26
schestowitz__if you want the text, use rssFeb 14 22:26
schestowitz__like quirerssFeb 14 22:26
schestowitz__it's the best I have found so farFeb 14 22:26
schestowitz__it uses some webkit/blink/chr* stuffFeb 14 22:27
vZS1I still need a mainstream browser for some workFeb 14 22:27
schestowitz__gemini is now fully functional for usFeb 14 22:27
schestowitz__vZS1: that's ok, gemini does not replace wwwFeb 14 22:27
schestowitz__it complements it for things that don't do many POST-type protocolsFeb 14 22:27
schestowitz__or videosFeb 14 22:27
vZS1I saw the spec. It's good. Like HTTP pre v1Feb 14 22:27
schestowitz__what you use webforms for doesn't have to be the same as where you get the news or read mailFeb 14 22:28
vZS1Single connection per requestFeb 14 22:28
vZS1Plaintext protocolFeb 14 22:28
schestowitz__netscape tried to combine mail and httpFeb 14 22:28
vZS1Sane URL schemeFeb 14 22:28
vZS1These are all good thingsFeb 14 22:28
schestowitz__you get to know personally the people in charge of itFeb 14 22:28
schestowitz__not some faceless and arrogant google staffersFeb 14 22:29
schestowitz__or cerfFeb 14 22:29
schestowitz__vint sold his soul a long time agoFeb 14 22:29
schestowitz__timbl just lost controlFeb 14 22:29
schestowitz__and stacked the w3c by passivityFeb 14 22:29
schestowitz__being too "open"Feb 14 22:29
schestowitz__he made a replacement, but chose Microsoft servers to host that onFeb 14 22:29
schestowitz__deletegithunFeb 14 22:30
schestowitz__*bFeb 14 22:30
vZS1I'm working on other things but I'll set up a Gemini client sometime. It's good somebody is tackling those issues in the server/client model.Feb 14 22:30
vZS1I can cheer them on at leastFeb 14 22:31
schestowitz__not sure if you caught my firefox rants from the other dayFeb 14 22:32
schestowitz__for monitoring purposes on an old box I was programming ff for some cli stuffFeb 14 22:32
vZS1The curl author is busy shilling the HTTP3 abomination, meanwhile.Feb 14 22:32
schestowitz__turns out that like gnome they abandoned many cli options that long existed and workedFeb 14 22:32
schestowitz__like they killed gopherFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__for no real reasonFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__before they did ftp and deranked rss as priorityFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195Feb 14 22:33
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vZS1Sabotage. Like they did with RSSFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__now ff comes with "kiosk" modeFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__no option anymore for fullscreenFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__or for windows size on startupFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__they just.... killed what already workedFeb 14 22:33
schestowitz__amazingFeb 14 22:33
vZS1They're busy shilling more surveillance with Pocked. Clown bookmarks.Feb 14 22:34
schestowitz__[22:32] <vZS1> The curl author is busy shilling the HTTP3 abomination, meanwhile.Feb 14 22:34
schestowitz__becauseFeb 14 22:34
schestowitz__1) he is involvedFeb 14 22:34
schestowitz__3) he worked for mozilla for yearsFeb 14 22:34
vZS1Pocket*Feb 14 22:34
schestowitz__2)Feb 14 22:34
schestowitz__pocket was proprietaryFeb 14 22:34
schestowitz__later they liberated itFeb 14 22:34
schestowitz__but they do "big data"Feb 14 22:34
schestowitz__which means they'll leverage it in some nefarious ways and they already spam the users with promotions of itFeb 14 22:35
schestowitz__[22:34] <vZS1> They're busy shilling more surveillance with Pocked. Clown bookmarks.Feb 14 22:35
schestowitz__Clown password managementFeb 14 22:35
schestowitz__trust us, not lastpassFeb 14 22:35
schestowitz__because we do blog posts about privacyFeb 14 22:35
schestowitz__and "bad actors'Feb 14 22:35
vZS1So they watch Pornhub too?Feb 14 22:35
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:35
schestowitz__Brendan Eich [:brendan]Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Comment 21 โ€ข 14 years agoFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__(In reply to comment #12)Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__> The argument 'we're more afraid of the unknown attacks' holds little or noFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__> water. You could say that about any of the other protocol handlers, or anyFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__> other bug.Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__No, you're confusing TCB minimization with random bug fear. Security depends on reducing the size of the code that runs at high privilege, which must be correct for the system to uphold security properties. In this light, we have a lot to get rid of still. Gopher has to be considered along with other code for protocols and content types that are rarely to hardly ever used on the web.Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Having written this, I'll repeat one of my mantras: the web is too big to make easy generalizations about what is rare. One person's, or locale's, hardly ever used protocol or content format may be another's must-have. So we won't do this (remove gopher) lightly, if we do it. More in a bit.Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__/beFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Brendan Eich [:brendan]Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Comment 22 โ€ข 14 years agoFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__One possible approach: rewrite gopher's protocol handler in JS. Anyone?Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__/beFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__guess what MOZ did nextFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__BTW, remember what Eich is to JSFeb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Eich: "Not necessarily -- removing it and implementing it in a memory-safe language are independent. If we had the JS implementation today, we might not even be bothering to argue in this bug."Feb 14 22:36
schestowitz__Eich (later (same page)Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__I think since we have not landed the patches for Firefox 3 and we're approaching beta 3, we should not remove gopher from Firefox 3 at this point. Going by the (mostly unwritten) book, we should have removed it before beta 1 if we meant to.Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__But: in Mozilla 2, gopher *is* going to be removed early and only re-added via an addon. So fresh versions of this bug's patches, made against the hg.mozilla.org mozilla-central repository, should be attached, reviewed, and landed there. Who volunteers to take this bug? Benjamin, will you do it?Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__The ~212 people who care about gopher can then develop, own, and use that addon.Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__In the mean time, gopher fans: spare us more soap-boxing and special-pleading here, and be happy today. Gopher will be an option (not a mandatory part of the C/C++ "TCB") as long as people are motivated to own its implementation. But as we draw closer to Mozilla 2, if no one steps up and delivers the gopher addon, you have only yourselves to hold accountable. No more free lunches!Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__/beFeb 14 22:37
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__BTWFeb 14 22:37
schestowitz__Firefox 2 still rocked Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__back when a real community promoted its useFeb 14 22:37
schestowitz__some of my older sites still have spreadFirefox bannersFeb 14 22:37
schestowitz__which I've not removed sinceFeb 14 22:37
schestowitz__Eich: "Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__Don't look for premature decisions, do the JS implementation.Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__I'm already in favor (comments above) of supporting gopher if it's implemented in a memory-safe programming language, has otherwise light-to-zero overhead, etc.Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:37
schestowitz__"Mozilla has obvious interests in dealing in good faith, and in JS as safer implementation (including netwerk protocol implementation) language than C++. Therefore I continue to conclude that we should keep gopher in the core if it is implemented safely in JS."Feb 14 22:38
schestowitz__LOLFeb 14 22:38
schestowitz__Mozilla and "good faith"Feb 14 22:38
schestowitz__like ousting their CEOFeb 14 22:38
schestowitz__over his faithFeb 14 22:38
schestowitz__and religious viewsFeb 14 22:38
schestowitz__Eich: "Feb 14 22:38
schestowitz__Why remove the C++ implementation of gopher before the JS implementation is even started? Wouldn't the JS implementation need the configuration table entries in the patch?Feb 14 22:38
schestowitz__The point here isn't gopher _per se_. It's orderly work and square dealing.Feb 14 22:38
schestowitz__Did a bug on nsOperaProfileMigrator not being tested, or whatever's wrong with it ("this code is all stupid") get filed?Feb 14 22:38
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:38
vZS1"Free lunches" says the people who would be nowhere without GNU softwareFeb 14 22:38
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__Shaver pointed out that I changed my position from comment 47. I did not mean to say Gopher has to stay in the core, forever. I was arguing for an orderly series of steps from Gopher in C++ in the core in Firefox 3, to Gopher in JS probably in the core, to Gopher in JS as add-on. But my comment 100 did not restate the last step there.Feb 14 22:39
vZS1What a bunch of fucking hypocritesFeb 14 22:39
schestowitz__I think gopher should be an add-on unless there's some massive gopher revival, which I do not foresee.Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__Hosting protocols in JS where we can is worthwhile, but we can do it with gopher or not, add-on or not, as a separate exercise. My comment 47 threat to remove gopher "by Mozilla 2" -- meaning only the release where we break frozen API compatibility -- was intended to get people thinking about building gopher as an add-on, not into the core.Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__I bet we are close to a virtual "Mozilla 2" with 1.9.3. We should think about it.Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__Is it really the case that we require C++ as protocol handler host language? That would suck no matter what happens with gopher. It's not urgent, but I would be interested to hear the details of why this is so (if it is so).Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__This should definitely happen. What's involved, which bug(s)?Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__Cameron broke it down more than I would have: we should not make platform changes that require rewrites from JS to C++ without some serious discussion. Add-on or core is secondary. Gopher is tertiary, but thanks to Cameron for being a good citizen here on the primary and secondary fronts.Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__"Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__Wow, I underestimated the role played by Eich in this decisionFeb 14 22:39
schestowitz__at least bugzilla shows the whole story even 14 years later:Feb 14 22:39
schestowitz__https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195Feb 14 22:39
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schestowitz__is anyone here an xfce(4) guru?Feb 14 22:40
schestowitz__I can't find how to force particular windows/programs to open in a fixed location of inherit a certain window sizeFeb 14 22:41
schestowitz__it's very easy in kde3-5Feb 14 22:41
DaemonFC[m]I used it a long time ago on an aging system that didn't run well with anything else.Feb 14 22:41
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: that's what I do nowFeb 14 22:41
schestowitz__it's an old laptopFeb 14 22:41
schestowitz__you can make it work with translucency and allFeb 14 22:41
schestowitz__and still it barely takes up RAMFeb 14 22:42
vZS1Use a window manager insteadFeb 14 22:42
vZS1dwm and awesome are flexible optionsFeb 14 22:42
schestowitz__I cannot change nowFeb 14 22:42
schestowitz__no disk spaceFeb 14 22:42
schestowitz__not even to run aptFeb 14 22:42
vZS1?Feb 14 22:43
schestowitz__it would run out of spaceFeb 14 22:43
schestowitz__1.2 gb partitionFeb 14 22:43
schestowitz__ff takes up 200mb of itFeb 14 22:43
vZS1I don't think the code is even 50mbFeb 14 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that system eventually got so old that I had to run Openbox on it.Feb 14 22:43
DaemonFC[m]With systemd and stuff, I think the footprint of Bunsenlabs in RAM is now about 40% higher than Crunchbang.Feb 14 22:44
schestowitz__there must be a way to pass messages to open applications in xfceFeb 14 22:44
DaemonFC[m]Still only about 80 MB I think.Feb 14 22:44
schestowitz__gnome has some APIs for itFeb 14 22:45
DaemonFC[m]At the time I had a laptop with 1 GB of RAM, and that was an upgrade. It came with 512 MB and Windows XP.Feb 14 22:45
schestowitz__you can even alter transparency from the CLIFeb 14 22:45
DaemonFC[m]And I was using it until 2014.Feb 14 22:45
vZS1DWM is 26KBFeb 14 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Software has just gotten way too big in general.Feb 14 22:45
vZS1DWM is not too bigFeb 14 22:45
asusbox2xprop -format _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY 32c -set _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY 0xBFFFFFFFFeb 14 22:46
vZS1https://dwm.suckless.org/Feb 14 22:46
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vZS1You can run dwm without issueFeb 14 22:47
schestowitz__but will that implement the functionality I need here?Feb 14 22:47
schestowitz__I want to basically allocate parts of the screen to different things, then have them updatedFeb 14 22:47
schestowitz__from a bash shellFeb 14 22:48
vZS1You can just keep tiles open to do thatFeb 14 22:48
schestowitz__tiles?Feb 14 22:48
vZS1Yeah. Division of the screenFeb 14 22:49
vZS1You can also have entire tabs of screensFeb 14 22:49
schestowitz__I need COMMAND [application] set [screen size/position]Feb 14 22:49
vZS1Each with different stuff on itFeb 14 22:49
schestowitz__or maybe for firefox to have cli option for closing tabsFeb 14 22:50
schestowitz__ff fell behind chromium in cli interfacesFeb 14 22:50
schestowitz__by basically castrating itselfFeb 14 22:50
schestowitz__removing options that used to existFeb 14 22:50
vZS1UXFeb 14 22:50
schestowitz__deprecating those for no good reason, not even securityFeb 14 22:50
schestowitz__year, YOU AXEFeb 14 22:50
vZS1CLI isn't UXFeb 14 22:50
schestowitz__we remove things you use... to "help you"Feb 14 22:50
schestowitz__we are very "tolerant"Feb 14 22:51
schestowitz__maybe also remove accessibility "nonsense"Feb 14 22:51
schestowitz__for "usability"Feb 14 22:51
schestowitz__because "users are stupid"Feb 14 22:51
schestowitz__"why would you want to do that !!!!  ???"Feb 14 22:51
schestowitz__xfce probably lacks support for what I need https://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/ https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/156435/how-can-i-make-windows-easier-to-resize-in-xfce https://mxlinux.org/wiki/xfce/changing-border-size-with-xfce4-window-manager/Feb 14 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xubuntu.org | Window resizing in Xubuntu (and Xfce) ยซ XubuntuFeb 14 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | How can I make windows easier to resize in Xfce? - Unix & Linux Stack ExchangeFeb 14 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mxlinux.org | Changing border size with Xfce4 Window Manager โ€“ MX LinuxFeb 14 22:52
schestowitz__they lack command-line APIsFeb 14 22:53
schestowitz__maybe I will find some firefox extension... if anything is left of those after they AXED XUL cox UXFeb 14 22:53
schestowitz__"unified experience"Feb 14 22:53
schestowitz__"We're all the same"Feb 14 22:53
schestowitz__women, men, blacks, whitesFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__disabled, enabledFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__we all have 2 armsFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__we all use the same sitesFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__you don't need extensions, MFer!Feb 14 22:54
schestowitz__Use POCKETFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__It's clown, it's newFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__we'll recommend to you what to surf nextFeb 14 22:54
schestowitz__expecting all users of firefox to abandon extensions if dumbFeb 14 22:55
vZS1DWM is also not on ShitHubFeb 14 22:55
schestowitz__that's why waterfox exists Feb 14 22:56
schestowitz__they try to impose what THEY are on ALL usersFeb 14 22:56
vZS1And developed by people that aren't moronsFeb 14 22:56
vZS1<2000 locFeb 14 22:56
schestowitz__it's like demanding that all dude start menstruating Feb 14 22:56
schestowitz__*dudesFeb 14 22:56
vZS1Simple makefileFeb 14 22:56
schestowitz__but that's too lightFeb 14 22:56
schestowitz__this machine has 2 gb of ramFeb 14 22:56
schestowitz__BTW, Falkon seems to have more uselful CLI options than latest FF Feb 14 22:57
schestowitz__https://askubuntu.com/questions/143376/how-to-change-the-xfce4-default-window-managerFeb 14 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | xfce - How to change the Xfce4 default window manager? - Ask UbuntuFeb 14 22:58
DaemonFC[m]XUL is still there, they just restricted it to internal stuff only.Feb 14 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Pale Moon removed that restriction.Feb 14 22:59
schestowitz__https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xfceFeb 14 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Xfce - ArchWikiFeb 14 23:00
schestowitz__" Xfce uses the Xfwm window manager by default."Feb 14 23:00
psydroidFirefox on Orange Pi from 2017 is slow and heavy whereas Konqueror is pretty fast and that's also with 2 GB of RAMFeb 14 23:00
schestowitz__https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XfwmFeb 14 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Xfwm - ArchWikiFeb 14 23:00
schestowitz__$ xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/tile_on_move -s falseFeb 14 23:00
schestowitz__$ xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/tile_on_move -s trueFeb 14 23:00
schestowitz__ohFeb 14 23:00
schestowitz__psydroid: I still use KonquerorFeb 14 23:01
psydroidThat's the kind of hardware that was top-end for running GNU/Linux in 2000 and now you can barely run a browser?Feb 14 23:01
schestowitz__but mostly for social control media postingFeb 14 23:01
schestowitz__psydroid: system reqs to read 1000-word AP article: 500MB of RAMFeb 14 23:02
schestowitz__maybe more for images :-)Feb 14 23:02
schestowitz__with 1MB of JS to manage how the images are displayedFeb 14 23:02
schestowitz__plus social "Stuff" buttonsFeb 14 23:03
psydroidI hate the heaps of JS spyware the most as without them pages are often not functionalFeb 14 23:04
schestowitz__vZS1's approach is better for nowFeb 14 23:05
schestowitz__at least I can quickly separate apart windowsFeb 14 23:05
vZS1psydroid: you can't even get rid of a lot of the JS now because they create new tokens every time you load a page so you can't filter specific scripts. This is apparent if you use the librejs addonFeb 14 23:09
vZS1They are actively sabotaging efforts to browse the web without JSFeb 14 23:10
psydroidI run Konqueror, Falkon, Netsurf and 3 different versions of Firefox side by side for various purposes and as of a few days ago also Kristall for GeminiFeb 14 23:10
vZS1I don't buy into the idea of a web browser periodFeb 14 23:12
vZS1If I want a video I'd rather grab it directly via a torrent or something like youtubedlFeb 14 23:13
vZS1Same for filesFeb 14 23:13
psydroidI believe the web browser became important because the original idea of the web was subvertedFeb 14 23:14
schestowitz__vZS1: thanks for the pointing regarding tiles, which I didn't know xfwm had support for Feb 14 23:14
schestowitz__I thought you'd more or less have to use the dedicated WMs for thatFeb 14 23:14
vZS1NpFeb 14 23:15
vZS1Dwm still more minimalFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__vZS1: in TR we post non-embed links to videosFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__for geminiFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__for ipfsFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__and for people who don't want to cllickFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__but to open directly in media playerFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__not a 200MB browser sessionFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__videos and browsers aren't the sameFeb 14 23:15
schestowitz__but with DRM/EME that's changingFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__you'd need to have blobs inside standalone media players tooFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__or use web 'standards'Feb 14 23:16
psydroidI'm not familiar with Gemini docs yet, but if you you want to make them look "good" you just process them and present them in a different way, as XML+XSLT were supposed to doFeb 14 23:16
vZS1DEs are a bloatware scamFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__google/netflix/microsoft/appleFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__psydroid: you could apply 'CSS" to GeminiFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__to make it look the way you LOVE itFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__but it won't be imposed by the capsuleFeb 14 23:16
schestowitz__in amfora i have many options in the config filesFeb 14 23:17
vZS1Screw the standards (:Feb 14 23:17
schestowitz__colours fonts etc.Feb 14 23:17
schestowitz__and the terminal session add things like "detect silence/inactivity/activity/keystoke"Feb 14 23:17
schestowitz__plus tabbingFeb 14 23:17
schestowitz__terminals have tabs ! the audacity !!Feb 14 23:17
schestowitz__never mind tmux and gnu screenFeb 14 23:18
schestowitz__choose fonts, transparency, apply styling, keyboard triggersFeb 14 23:18
schestowitz__all the amphora docs are inline comments in the conf fileFeb 14 23:19
schestowitz__the CLI does not offer muchFeb 14 23:19
schestowitz__amfora_1.7.2_linux_64-bit  -hFeb 14 23:19
schestowitz__Amfora is a fancy terminal browser for the Gemini protocol.Feb 14 23:19
schestowitz__Usage:Feb 14 23:19
schestowitz__amfora [URL]Feb 14 23:19
schestowitz__amfora --version, -vFeb 14 23:19
schestowitz__that's itFeb 14 23:19
schestowitz__-v, -h, and argFeb 14 23:19
schestowitz__~/.config/amfora/config.toml is where all the fun isFeb 14 23:19
psydroidbrowsers also made the web an "app platform", I presume in part to get away from application lock-in on the desktopFeb 14 23:21
schestowitz__yesFeb 14 23:21
schestowitz__zimbra was an early oneFeb 14 23:22
schestowitz__circa 2006Feb 14 23:22
schestowitz__back when they call it "ajax"Feb 14 23:22
schestowitz__async BSFeb 14 23:22
schestowitz__long words and acronyms/buzzwordsFeb 14 23:22
DaemonFC[m]The W3C HTML validator doesn't like techrights.Feb 14 23:22
schestowitz__then came server-side crap like "Autocomplete" in Google SearchFeb 14 23:22
schestowitz__basically keyloggersFeb 14 23:22
DaemonFC[m]Some of the errors look easy to fix, others are just that it wants you to use CSS instead.Feb 14 23:22
schestowitz__we read as you typeFeb 14 23:22
schestowitz__grammarly makes this keylogging "hip"Feb 14 23:22
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: yes, we had to give up last yearFeb 14 23:23
schestowitz__1. twitter's faulyFeb 14 23:23
schestowitz__it has this "deck" thingFeb 14 23:23
schestowitz__it's not standardFeb 14 23:23
schestowitz__so if you want the site to supply a feature image you must deviate from specsFeb 14 23:23
schestowitz__then there's the video partFeb 14 23:23
schestowitz__regarding CSS, that's  the IPFS tableFeb 14 23:24
schestowitz__we did that inline because it would otherwise conflict with global settings iircFeb 14 23:24
schestowitz__and that little table is auto-generatedFeb 14 23:24
schestowitz__tbh, I've quit caring about the wwwFeb 14 23:24
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schestowitz__use rss/ipfs/gemini or somethingFeb 14 23:25
schestowitz__www should go away, eventuallyFeb 14 23:25
schestowitz__for the same reason Micrsooft's "Alternatives" for the Web diedFeb 14 23:25
schestowitz__activex and sending around word docs as "collab"Feb 14 23:25
schestowitz__you try to build up too much into a single thingFeb 14 23:25
schestowitz__and then you're surprised that people are put off, get fed up, and walk awayFeb 14 23:25
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schestowitz__happened with many large software "suites"Feb 14 23:26
schestowitz__too much built into one thing and it became a bloated experienceFeb 14 23:26
schestowitz__like 1GB of MS word to write a simple letter to a repFeb 14 23:26
schestowitz__you could just use a simple markup doc or use a plain text editor, then CTRL+P, ENTERFeb 14 23:26
schestowitz__you don't need to wait for the machine  to load or buy a new  machine to write a f'ing letterFeb 14 23:27
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schestowitz__and not they tell you, "use the clown"Feb 14 23:27
schestowitz__so you enter some site of Google or MicrosoftFeb 14 23:27
schestowitz__"please wait"Feb 14 23:27
schestowitz__"loading"Feb 14 23:27
schestowitz__and then this keylogger nee "application"... helps you type a letterFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__and charges you 'only' 10 bucks a month... 1200 dollars in ten years!Feb 14 23:28
schestowitz__to write a letterFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__and then you act all surprised that people leaveFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__analogy:Feb 14 23:28
schestowitz__ol' peopleFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__they collect thingsFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__their whole lifeFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__100 paintingsFeb 14 23:28
schestowitz__50 vasesFeb 14 23:29
schestowitz__5 bedroomsFeb 14 23:29
schestowitz__and then they realise, heck!Feb 14 23:29
schestowitz__I don't need all this shit!!Feb 14 23:29
schestowitz__Too much to dust offFeb 14 23:29
schestowitz__so they start giving stuff awayFeb 14 23:29
schestowitz__and turn mininmalistFeb 14 23:29
schestowitz__i.e. the very opp. of what they strive to become for life... what? 30 yearsFeb 14 23:29
schestowitz__or moreFeb 14 23:30
psydroidI explained to some people yesterday that I don't buy new hardware to run newer and more bloated versions of software I am already using, but that I would rather switch out entire software stacks including operating systems, if that's what it takes to keep the machines goingFeb 14 23:30
schestowitz__suddenly it hits them... it's all just overhyped crap and I'm not taking it to the grave (and the atheists will know that regardless, what goes with you into the grave is just companion for a pile of lifeless bones)Feb 14 23:30
schestowitz__psydroid: all my machines are cheapFeb 14 23:31
schestowitz__some are partly working, or partly NOT working :-)Feb 14 23:31
schestowitz__but you find functionality for themFeb 14 23:31
schestowitz__until they die completely, like car write-offFeb 14 23:31
schestowitz__I've just configured our oldest laptop to drive two screeens with 4 browser windows in that, tiledFeb 14 23:32
psydroidI still have some machines with 400 MHz processors, although I don't really use those at the moment due to various breakages (PSU, absent keyboard/mouse)Feb 14 23:34
psydroidand a heap of broken laptops I want to repurpose some dayFeb 14 23:35
psydroidbut yes, new hardware is in most cases overrated for home useFeb 14 23:36
psydroidthings should be made to be reparableFeb 14 23:37
schestowitz__some areFeb 14 23:37
schestowitz__sometimes the repair is expensiveFeb 14 23:37
schestowitz__good luck fixing a VCR in 2021Feb 14 23:37
schestowitz__tbh, this upgrade treadmill we benefit and suffer fromFeb 14 23:38
schestowitz__suffer because it pollutes the planetFeb 14 23:38
schestowitz__benefit because you get very cheap second-hand gear that is perfectly fineFeb 14 23:38
schestowitz__I look forward to tomorrow's announcementFeb 14 23:39
schestowitz__regarding reopenings across the ukFeb 14 23:39
schestowitz__I want to get a good second-hand microphoneFeb 14 23:39
schestowitz__you can get some stuff like 80% original priceFeb 14 23:39
psydroidI mostly deal with tech and for that I have found some good deals over the years, especially those cheap but good laptops I bought a year ago because they can't run Microsoftware anymoreFeb 14 23:42
psydroidI can't find them as cheap nowFeb 14 23:42
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "good luck fixing a VCR in 2021"> They're all over the place, honestly. Cheaper to find another used one.Feb 14 23:43
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psydroidanother thing I've noticed is that x86 systems are getting more and more expensive for several reasons, which I believe mainly come down to 1) duopoly lacking true competition and thus exerting its greed 2) decreasing sales numbers, causing vendors  to make up for income losses incurred by increasing prices 3) helplessness of the population locked into Microsoftware for real and imaginary reasonsFeb 14 23:52

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