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cubexyz | seems like a major change | Dec 22 00:00 |
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XRevan86 | cubexyz: Fedora is a distro that adopts new stuff supported by Red Hat first, that's its thing. | Dec 22 00:00 |
MinceR | it's red hat's even less stable distro, it's to be expected to be the first to try and stuff cancerd down users' throats | Dec 22 00:00 |
cubexyz | but that doesn't answer why so many of the other distros also used systemd | Dec 22 00:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Canonical briefly considered just using SMF from Solaris for init. | Dec 22 00:01 |
MinceR | because they're made by people who don't know what they're doing | Dec 22 00:02 |
MinceR | "ooh, shiny! let's throw it into "stable" immediately!" | Dec 22 00:02 |
cubexyz | but not AIX or HP-UX | Dec 22 00:03 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: systemd is a strictly Linux thing. | Dec 22 00:03 |
cubexyz | seems it's part of the linux world, yes | Dec 22 00:03 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not "seems", it's systemd's design. | Dec 22 00:04 |
MinceR | I'd like to interject. What you call Linux is actually just a kernel. Without systemd, it can't do anything at all, so I have recently started calling it systemd-kerneld. Yes, there really is a Linux, but we must give credit to the other software that makes up a complete system. | Dec 22 00:04 |
XRevan86 | tightly dependent on Linux | Dec 22 00:04 |
MinceR | Looking at the package count on a modern systemd-kerneld distribution, you'll find that systemd is nearly half of all packages. If you go by source lines of code, Linux, or kerneld, is only 9%. | Dec 22 00:04 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: The farthest from Linux systemd is going to get is Microsoft WSL %). But not technically. | Dec 22 00:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: systemd is mainly a way to get as much stuff out of the kernel and to where Red Hat directly controls it as possible. | Dec 22 00:06 |
cubexyz | there's something called UbuntuBSD :) | Dec 22 00:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Then it doesn't matter if they control the kernel itself. | Dec 22 00:06 |
cubexyz | a schism :) | Dec 22 00:06 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: Sounds absolutely doomed. | Dec 22 00:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, most distributions seem to be building x265 wrong. | Dec 22 00:07 |
XRevan86 | expired domain, figured | Dec 22 00:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Only Clear Linux and FreeBSD and DragonFly BSD did well according to Phoronix. | Dec 22 00:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Most Linux distributions could encode 49 fps on his test system and the BSDs and Clear Linux managed like 75. | Dec 22 00:07 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: Telling by their Twitter account, they started the project in 2016, a year where it was already obvious that's doomed. Not very smart folks. | Dec 22 00:08 |
cubexyz | XRevan86, I just like to see what's out there | Dec 22 00:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | That suggests if you're helping your neighbors by dumping Blu Rays, you should build your own x265 or use a system that built it correctly. | Dec 22 00:09 |
MinceR | was building anything on ubuntu ever smart? :> | Dec 22 00:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | Blu Ray sources are h264 or (much less frequently) MPEG 2 or VC1, but always at such an insane bitrate that they survive being transcoded and crunched down to a manageable size with x265 pretty darned well. | Dec 22 00:10 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not a bad motive :). But this is misplaced attention. | Dec 22 00:10 |
DaemonFC[m] | Ultra HD Blu Ray makes a lot of existing televisions and stuff obsolete with its nastier DRM, but that's been broken too apparently. | Dec 22 00:10 |
cubexyz | I keep going back to slackware or vector | Dec 22 00:11 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: systemd is not going to run not on Linux, Ubuntu is systemd-only. | Dec 22 00:11 |
XRevan86 | If Devuan is struggling for survival, imagine something based on Ubuntu. | Dec 22 00:11 |
XRevan86 | ArchBSD is more believable as some people maintain multiple init systems in AUR. Which is still problematic, I'm not sure which ones still have a community, but at least that's something. | Dec 22 00:13 |
XRevan86 | and it died in 2017 | Dec 22 00:14 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: fun of being in Australia https://www.laserco.com.au/BLU-BD3000-blu-ray-player-multi-region-hdmi-digital-7-1-with-lan-for-bdlive | Dec 22 00:15 |
XRevan86 | Arch Hurd is alive | Dec 22 00:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.laserco.com.au | DVD and Blu Ray Players : Blu-Ray Player Multi Region HDMI Digital 7.1, with LAN for DLNA | Dec 22 00:15 | |
XRevan86 | which uses OpenRC, unsurprisingly | Dec 22 00:16 |
oiaohm | At least a init system with some chance by design of working properly. | Dec 22 00:18 |
MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6c7nslc | Dec 22 00:21 |
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MinceR | i.e. not systemd | Dec 22 00:21 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642417.png | Dec 22 01:34 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: so many 'words' in this language | Dec 22 01:53 |
schestowitz | is there more to this joke than meets the eye? | Dec 22 01:53 |
MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 22 01:54 |
MinceR | i trust you know which body part people usually refer to when using this emoji | Dec 22 01:54 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642460.jpg | Dec 22 01:56 |
schestowitz | lol https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2019/12/apple-macs-worth-the-money/ | Dec 22 01:58 |
schestowitz | who writes such tripe? | Dec 22 01:58 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scallywagandvagabond.com | Should you Buy an Apple Mac? Apple ecosystem tailored to user needs | Dec 22 01:58 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I know, but... | Dec 22 01:58 |
schestowitz | why scooby doo? | Dec 22 01:58 |
MinceR | probably just to express the reaction | Dec 22 02:09 |
cubexyz | the computer of choice for posers :) | Dec 22 02:12 |
DaemonFC[m] | The Mac is a just an expensive trap that snares yoi and forces you to buy other junk or else it won't agree to interface with it. | Dec 22 02:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | Like everything else Apple makes. | Dec 22 02:13 |
cubexyz | probably no one remembers now, but in 1977 the Apple II was $1,298 | Dec 22 02:14 |
cubexyz | now convert that to 2019 dollars... | Dec 22 02:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and for the first 4 years of that consider the US was in hyperinflation. | Dec 22 02:14 |
cubexyz | $1,298 in 1977 converts to $5,509.17 for 2019 | Dec 22 02:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | So the money lost half it's value already by 1982. Communuty riffed on that where they find a guy that's been in a bunker since the 1970s and he says he has 3 million dollars but it probably wasn't worth anything because of Nixon. | Dec 22 02:16 |
danielp3344 | looks like apple IIs are going for around 2-3k on ebay | Dec 22 02:17 |
danielp3344 | so they've held value pretty well | Dec 22 02:17 |
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 31 Release Party Novi Sad -- Event Report http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132014 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5eb56bb3-cae2-4765-b36c-adbfaf2d23c9] | Dec 22 02:21 | |
schestowitz | danielp3344: what about inflation | Dec 22 02:21 |
schestowitz | their price back then plus inflation on the cost? | Dec 22 02:21 |
DaemonFC[m] | The US dollar has lost over half its value since I was born in 1984. | Dec 22 02:22 |
cubexyz | old computers don't really keep their value | Dec 22 02:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | And considering what inflationnwas running from 1977 until Paul Volcker caused a recession in 1981 to stop it.... | Dec 22 02:22 |
cubexyz | people are always dumping them... then later on they buy them back due to nostalgia | Dec 22 02:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | Plus the three years in between. | Dec 22 02:23 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: he didn't keep his value | Dec 22 02:23 |
schestowitz | he died | Dec 22 02:23 |
danielp3344 | lol | Dec 22 02:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | > $1,298 in 1977 converts to $5,509.17 for 2019 | Dec 22 02:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's only if you accept the government's own math. | Dec 22 02:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | The reality is much worse. | Dec 22 02:24 |
schestowitz | no banks in heaven/hell/coffin/blanket | Dec 22 02:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | In 1996, $22,000 bought a Ford Crown Victoria LX. | Dec 22 02:24 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yeah, annnnd... | Dec 22 02:24 |
schestowitz | there' s a gamble | Dec 22 02:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | In 2018 it barely bought a Kia Soul. | Dec 22 02:25 |
schestowitz | 1) will people cherish the brand decades later? | Dec 22 02:25 |
schestowitz | 2) will it still work after you drag it from one house to anoher | Dec 22 02:25 |
schestowitz | 3) will you still be alive and can it sell? | Dec 22 02:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | Since 2003, the price of a new Chevy Impala has doubled. | Dec 22 02:25 |
schestowitz | cars are overpriced | Dec 22 02:25 |
danielp3344 | ^ | Dec 22 02:25 |
schestowitz | not sure how much patents play into it | Dec 22 02:25 |
danielp3344 | but not if you buy junk ones to play with | Dec 22 02:26 |
schestowitz | you work like... years of savings | Dec 22 02:26 |
schestowitz | (or installments) | Dec 22 02:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | The reliability is much worse. | Dec 22 02:26 |
schestowitz | for a piece of tin | Dec 22 02:26 |
danielp3344 | schestowitz: I blame electronics | Dec 22 02:26 |
schestowitz | 3mm thin | Dec 22 02:26 |
cubexyz | cars might get devalued even faster than computers | Dec 22 02:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | None of the cars they sell today will run in 20 years. | Dec 22 02:26 |
danielp3344 | ^ | Dec 22 02:26 |
schestowitz | 4 tires, some 'chairs' and a radio | Dec 22 02:26 |
schestowitz | "wow... look at me.. ma lifeeestyle" | Dec 22 02:26 |
cubexyz | I have lots of computers >20 years old | Dec 22 02:26 |
cubexyz | they all still work | Dec 22 02:26 |
danielp3344 | I was once reading a book about neural networks | Dec 22 02:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but they put computer chips everywhere in a modern car. | Dec 22 02:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, the other thing is how long they last | Dec 22 02:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | There isn't just one. There's dozens. | Dec 22 02:27 |
danielp3344 | And found two 5-1/4 floppies tucked in the back | Dec 22 02:27 |
schestowitz | and their value diminished so fact compared to a hous | Dec 22 02:27 |
danielp3344 | I never figured out what was on them | Dec 22 02:27 |
cubexyz | do you have any working 5.25" floppy drives? :) | Dec 22 02:27 |
schestowitz | for today's cheaply made shit they call "car" you shave off like 30% in the first year ALONE | Dec 22 02:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | Modern cars have so many expensive failure points that you would never put any money into one that's more than 10 yeara old unless you're insane. | Dec 22 02:28 |
schestowitz | they give warranty for about 3 years old... says what they think of their build quality | Dec 22 02:28 |
schestowitz | many houses are built equally poorly today... cheap materials | Dec 22 02:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | BMW charges $6500 to extend the 3 year warehouse to 5 years. | Dec 22 02:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | Warranty | Dec 22 02:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | Autocorrect fail. | Dec 22 02:28 |
schestowitz | you can buy another car | Dec 22 02:28 |
schestowitz | a cheaper one | Dec 22 02:29 |
cubexyz | it wouldn't be too hard to get a 5.25" drive though | Dec 22 02:29 |
schestowitz | for the same price | Dec 22 02:29 |
schestowitz | backup companion car | Dec 22 02:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | $6500 for two more years is sort of excessive, isn't it? | Dec 22 02:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | After all, that German quality should be reliable. 😂 | Dec 22 02:29 |
schestowitz | [02:27] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, but they put computer chips everywhere in a modern car. | Dec 22 02:29 |
schestowitz | how long will spares last? | Dec 22 02:29 |
schestowitz | today's cars are hard/expensive to repair | Dec 22 02:29 |
schestowitz | it's only getting worse | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | like so-called 'smart locks' | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | and our 'electric shower' | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | Any issue? BUY A NEW ONE!! | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | Even the new rail | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | and showerhead... it's s set | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | they won't fix these, no parts manufactured either | Dec 22 02:30 |
cubexyz | schestowitz, it's a bit like that for laptops now, maybe not quite as bad | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | and thats for like... 2 - 3 years later | Dec 22 02:30 |
schestowitz | they have "NEW MODELS!" | Dec 22 02:31 |
schestowitz | cubexyz: depends on the OEM | Dec 22 02:31 |
schestowitz | you can get more modular ones | Dec 22 02:31 |
schestowitz | not that bendable, foldable, "thin" (Air) stuff | Dec 22 02:31 |
schestowitz | fashion in computing and 'novelty' in cars may mean shorter lives | Dec 22 02:31 |
schestowitz | they like it that way.... more sales | Dec 22 02:32 |
schestowitz | for showers the fix might be replacement valve | Dec 22 02:32 |
schestowitz | or something trivial like this | Dec 22 02:32 |
schestowitz | but no, they won't keep spares... not in their financial interests | Dec 22 02:33 |
schestowitz | and the "smarter" these things get (locks, phones), the harder they are to repair | Dec 22 02:33 |
schestowitz | on your own or with help | Dec 22 02:33 |
schestowitz | mechanical stuff you can figure out or find something who can figure out for a fee | Dec 22 02:33 |
schestowitz | https://www.managingip.com/Article/3909912/Managing-IPs-most-read-stories-of-the-decade.html | Dec 22 02:37 |
schestowitz | "The Unified Patent Court (UPC), Brexit and artificial intelligence (AI) all feature in our list more than once, either directly or indirectly, mirroring some of the biggest talking points of the last few years." | Dec 22 02:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Managing IP’s most-read stories of the decade | Managing Intellectual Property | Dec 22 02:37 | |
schestowitz | "A senior judge saying ‘bullshit’, a mental health and wellbeing focus, and tributes to inspirational figures who passed away are among Managing IP’s most-viewed articles in the last 10 years" | Dec 22 02:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | If your windows don't work you may not want to do anything about it. | Dec 22 02:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | The regulators and switches and motors are awfully expensive. | Dec 22 02:39 |
cubexyz | buy a car with old style crank windows? | Dec 22 02:39 |
cubexyz | surely it's still possible | Dec 22 02:39 |
MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/BHbeJ30.jpg | Dec 22 02:40 |
MinceR | or just buy a car with reliable electric windows | Dec 22 02:40 |
MinceR | my toyota carina never had any trouble with that | Dec 22 02:41 |
MinceR | working the hand cranks is a pain | Dec 22 02:41 |
schestowitz | at least they EXIST | Dec 22 02:41 |
schestowitz | the one cars lack these | Dec 22 02:41 |
cubexyz | just thinking they would be easier to repair for the do-it-yourselfers | Dec 22 02:42 |
schestowitz | now we have online shops for spares, videos to show you how to assemble... | Dec 22 02:43 |
schestowitz | like... keyboards on laptops | Dec 22 02:43 |
MinceR | and if you quickly want to replace the air in the car, you'll have to stop, go around and crank each of them twice | Dec 22 02:43 |
MinceR | instead of just pressing 4 buttons twice :> | Dec 22 02:43 |
cubexyz | keyboard replacement on laptops shouldn't be too hard | Dec 22 02:43 |
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danielp3344 | cubexyz: I love manual windows | Dec 22 02:58 |
danielp3344 | they almost never break | Dec 22 02:58 |
danielp3344 | All my cars with power windows have taken like 5 minutes to roll up or down | Dec 22 02:58 |
danielp3344 | because the motors and stuff wear out | Dec 22 02:58 |
MinceR | they never wore out on mine | Dec 22 03:00 |
danielp3344 | how old was it? | Dec 22 03:00 |
danielp3344 | I'm talking 20-30 years old and beat to hell cars TBH | Dec 22 03:01 |
MinceR | 22 years when i sold it | Dec 22 03:01 |
danielp3344 | that's about average I guess | Dec 22 03:01 |
danielp3344 | most of them seem to start getting really bad around 25 years | Dec 22 03:01 |
danielp3344 | my brothers 2001 mercury has terrible ones though | Dec 22 03:02 |
danielp3344 | the passenger side you have to pull on to get it back up | Dec 22 03:02 |
danielp3344 | argh so many cloudflare sites | Dec 22 03:03 |
schestowitz | aws and clownflare as the 'new webhost' | Dec 22 03:04 |
MinceR | :( | Dec 22 03:04 |
schestowitz | and for those without domains... FACEBOOK | Dec 22 03:04 |
schestowitz | yay, "the WEB" | Dec 22 03:04 |
danielp3344 | lol | Dec 22 03:05 |
danielp3344 | The worst part is the people who get hurt the most are the least technically adept | Dec 22 03:06 |
danielp3344 | most of the cloudflare sites I find are car forums where it's hard to convince people to fix site stuff | Dec 22 03:06 |
danielp3344 | but there's so much good information tere | Dec 22 03:07 |
danielp3344 | there* | Dec 22 03:07 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642390.png | Dec 22 03:14 |
oiaohm | Trying to get a new car with manual windows these days is insanely hard | Dec 22 04:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, the Yoga 900 at least was easy to replace the battery on. | Dec 22 04:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | Apple basically glues the batteries in, solders RAM so you can't upgrade it. Stuff like that. | Dec 22 04:17 |
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DaemonFC[m] | There's no real need to upgrade the RAM. It had 16 GB when I bought it and that's still a bottomless pit on Linux. | Dec 22 05:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | Macs are always like 4 GB of RAM or something ridiculous. | Dec 22 05:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | And then people say the Mac is so efficient it doesn't need more than that. | Dec 22 05:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Like, pretty sure Chrome is a big pig on a Mac just like it is everywhere else. | Dec 22 05:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Me when I see 4 GB of RAM and a slow processor.... | Dec 22 05:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Not sure if $4,000 Mac or $199 Chromebook. | Dec 22 05:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Google pretty much does throw every trick in the book at Chrome OS to save RAM. It keeps device cost down. | Dec 22 05:11 |
DaemonFC[m] | > aws and clownflare as the 'new webhost' | Dec 22 05:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz OpenBSD went as far as to patch out DNS over HTTPS from Firefox. | Dec 22 05:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | The reasoning was it sends your DNS lookups to Cloudflare. | Dec 22 05:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | The majority of DoH FUD seems to be coming from governments who want to censor though. | Dec 22 05:44 |
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DaemonFC[m] | This was definitely the plot of Doom.... | Dec 22 05:55 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Someone commented that Brave removing ads and then inserting their own is a dick move. | Dec 22 07:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | Of course. Brendan Eich is an asshole. | Dec 22 07:22 |
schestowitz | > It appears that groups of {explitive_deleted} simply wander around the | Dec 22 07:24 |
schestowitz | > net looking for people to attack. Now they've turned against JK Rowling | Dec 22 07:24 |
schestowitz | > again, for stating facts, despite her having retrofitted one of the | Dec 22 07:24 |
schestowitz | > {explitive_deleted}'s own into a key role in her book series: | Dec 22 07:24 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 07:24 |
schestowitz | > https://mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033?p=p | Dec 22 07:24 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > Twitter and MSM facilitate these wandering lynch mobs. Twitter is | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > partially Saudi-owned so somehow these attacks must match with their | Dec 22 07:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Dec 22 07:25 | |
schestowitz | > agenda, either directly or indirectly. | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > Just wait till those attack groups get a whiff of evolution and | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > selective fitness as applied to larger and larger groups: cultures. | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | Thanks for showing this to me. Yes, I am aware. Yesterday there was one bit in an article about Macron choosing someone for "gender balance"; that's considered a dangerous thing to say nowadays. | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | News is starting to dry up; media will manufacture scandals or support any (to get hits, sell ads). | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > It appears that groups of {explitive_deleted} simply wander around the | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > net looking for people to attack. Now they've turned against JK Rowling | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > again, for stating facts, despite her having retrofitted one of the | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > {explitive_deleted}'s own into a key role in her book series: | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > https://mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033?p=p | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > Twitter and MSM facilitate these wandering lynch mobs. Twitter is | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > partially Saudi-owned so somehow these attacks must match with their | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > agenda, either directly or indirectly. | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > Just wait till those attack groups get a whiff of evolution and | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | > selective fitness as applied to larger and larger groups: cultures. | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | Thanks for showing this to me. Yes, I am aware. Yesterday there was one bit in an article about Macron choosing someone for "gender balance"; that's considered a dangerous thing to say nowadays. | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | News is starting to dry up; media will manufacture scandals or support any (to get hits, sell ads). | Dec 22 07:25 |
schestowitz | oops, double pasted. My bad... | Dec 22 07:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | Who is going after JK Rowling? | Dec 22 07:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | She's tge one who sued Canadians and got a court to order them not to read a book that a store sold them too early by mistake. | Dec 22 07:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | Fuck her. | Dec 22 07:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's the store's fault that the book got out before it was supposed to be sold. Sue them. Getting a court to order people not to read is fucking stupid. How are you going to enforce that? You're just showing what a cunt you are if you do that. | Dec 22 07:43 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Then in the UK, her publisher sued Asda for saying that they thought one of her books was overpriced. | Dec 22 07:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | Seriously? Can you win a lawsuit against someone for saying they think your product is overpriced in the UK? | Dec 22 07:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Nobody should buy her books. Just BitTorrent them if you want to read them, or borrow a copy from the library before she sues to have libraries made illegal. | Dec 22 07:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | I don't like to spend money on copyrighted stuff because I don't agree with copyright as it stands. | Dec 22 07:51 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Disney waa nasty a long time before internet file sharing. | Dec 22 07:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | They had this "Disney vault" idea that they would stoo selling a movie for years at a time so that when they "opened the vault" again, people would panic and buy it before they weren't allowed to anymore. | Dec 22 07:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, lots of people got together and ran off copies in their VCRs and traded them with other parents instead, ao the vault idea probably hurt sales, but Disney would never admit it. | Dec 22 07:58 |
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linuxgirl | Hi guys :-) | Dec 22 11:03 |
linuxgirl | so arch shifts to zstd on the 27th, I just found out ... and the link about zstd goes to facebook.github link | Dec 22 11:04 |
schestowitz | hi | Dec 22 11:04 |
linuxgirl | hi :-) | Dec 22 11:04 |
schestowitz | less than a minute ago I posted https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16819133 | Dec 22 11:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #deletegithub #microsoft #github #proprietarysoftware | Dec 22 11:05 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_4c8a082651ea8efc63fc.jpg | Dec 22 11:05 | |
schestowitz | well,, yesterday I spoke to mr curl about github | Dec 22 11:05 |
schestowitz | maybe I made my point clear enough | Dec 22 11:05 |
linuxgirl | yes? | Dec 22 11:05 |
schestowitz | that for curl to leave github would be beneficial | Dec 22 11:05 |
linuxgirl | github needs throwing off a cliff | Dec 22 11:05 |
schestowitz | he listened | Dec 22 11:05 |
linuxgirl | everything leaving github would be so great | Dec 22 11:05 |
linuxgirl | good he listened | Dec 22 11:05 |
schestowitz | curl is used on like 3 billion machines | Dec 22 11:05 |
linuxgirl | really important it shuts shop and goes somewhere other than github | Dec 22 11:06 |
schestowitz | I can't do this on my own | Dec 22 11:06 |
linuxgirl | I'm stunned arch would go along with a facebook github thing | Dec 22 11:06 |
schestowitz | so we create a sort of movement | Dec 22 11:06 |
linuxgirl | Yes | Dec 22 11:06 |
schestowitz | more people need to confront devs over it | Dec 22 11:06 |
schestowitz | to create a perceptual dynamic | Dec 22 11:06 |
schestowitz | under "headlings" like "delete github" | Dec 22 11:06 |
linuxgirl | what could be useful is a set of links directly to devs, so ppl can come here and click thru and say their piece? | Dec 22 11:06 |
schestowitz | so by all means go around, spread the argyment for leaving github | Dec 22 11:07 |
schestowitz | explain to media that FOSS != github | Dec 22 11:07 |
linuxgirl | you're right | Dec 22 11:07 |
schestowitz | and things that are not on GitHub DO exist | Dec 22 11:07 |
linuxgirl | yes, lots of places went over to gitlab and a fair amount of links go there | Dec 22 11:07 |
schestowitz | see comment http://techrights.org/2019/11/11/delete-github/#comments | Dec 22 11:07 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Abduction of the Voice of Its Opposition Highlights the Urgency of the Movement/Campaign to Delete GitHub | Techrights | Dec 22 11:07 | |
schestowitz | we still keep that wiki list up to date | Dec 22 11:07 |
schestowitz | it's like a todo list | Dec 22 11:07 |
schestowitz | some people go and speak to the devs | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Dec 22 11:08 |
linuxgirl | but then facebook.github arises, and I understand zstd is the main thing across the system, so facebook and github will be able to read everything?! | Dec 22 11:08 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights | Dec 22 11:08 | |
linuxgirl | great, thanks | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | help us out | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | it counts | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | it makes devs think | Dec 22 11:08 |
linuxgirl | yes :-) | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | if nobody says anything, nothing will change | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | NOT-A-FRIEND, MAN (Friedman) blocked me | Dec 22 11:09 |
linuxgirl | I've had a few barnies in my time, lol, about privacy | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | in twitter, where I never spoke to him | Dec 22 11:09 |
linuxgirl | if people are going to be like that, stuff 'em | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | use the wiki list | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | speak to the devs | Dec 22 11:09 |
linuxgirl | okay | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | explain why github is bad | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | also you can use this argument, of ethics/racism: http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/ | Dec 22 11:09 |
linuxgirl | sorry, which link is the wiki? | Dec 22 11:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because It’s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights | Dec 22 11:09 | |
schestowitz | this really gets to people ^ | Dec 22 11:10 |
linuxgirl | the only solution is people voting with their feet, and loudly | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | reminds them they're not in control in who gets the s/w and gives back to uit | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | *it | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | Trump decides | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | and Microsoft implements | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | I heard github saw a decrease | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | not sure if deletions of number of people/projects joining | Dec 22 11:10 |
linuxgirl | it definitely did when ms bought it | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | but I heard they spotted a decrease and panicked a bit | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | ICE caused some brain drain also | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | let's keep that goin g | Dec 22 11:11 |
linuxgirl | I've seen very few actually go to it, and they get shocked comments at them | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | MS manufactured fake news | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | "arctic vault" | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | to distract the media from the ICE exodus | Dec 22 11:11 |
linuxgirl | they can't con people who are awake, thankfully, and here's hoping they bury themselves in their vault! that would do everyone a lot of good | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | I deleted my account at GH before the announcement | Dec 22 11:11 |
linuxgirl | well done! | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | hours before it, when it was still a rumour alone | Dec 22 11:12 |
linuxgirl | good! | Dec 22 11:12 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/06/04/delete-github/ | Dec 22 11:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » How to Delete Your GitHub Account to Tell GitHub What You Think About Their Decision to Sell Out | Dec 22 11:12 | |
linuxgirl | good link! | Dec 22 11:12 |
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linuxgirl | what's your view of zstd? | Dec 22 11:13 |
schestowitz | fb | Dec 22 11:13 |
schestowitz | you know my views on fb | Dec 22 11:13 |
linuxgirl | I was worried as soon as I heard about it, and now it's all across the pc on the 27th | Dec 22 11:14 |
schestowitz | gh isn't the worst aspect of it | Dec 22 11:14 |
schestowitz | intel puts its compression crap on gh also | Dec 22 11:14 |
linuxgirl | yes, and I'm stunned any distro would choose something facebook-linked, especially arch | Dec 22 11:14 |
linuxgirl | I'd admired them for not being supportive of snaps, but seems it's gone a bit poo | Dec 22 11:16 |
linuxgirl | lol | Dec 22 11:16 |
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schestowitz | I mentioned one today | Dec 22 11:16 |
schestowitz | hang on | Dec 22 11:16 |
linuxgirl | okay | Dec 22 11:16 |
schestowitz | [09:32] <schestowitz> https://pleroma.site/notice/9qDN5t5UHzNLUmWXMe | Dec 22 11:16 |
schestowitz | [09:32] <schestowitz> "@schestowitz Hosted in github, this is a non-starter." | Dec 22 11:16 |
schestowitz | see context | Dec 22 11:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Dec 22 11:16 | |
schestowitz | based on opensuse | Dec 22 11:16 |
linuxgirl | that's the other site I couldn't remember then name of! | Dec 22 11:17 |
linuxgirl | if it's a gitlab alternative | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | at least people dare say things like these, namely: "Hosted in github, this is a non-starter." | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | We need a thousand of geeks to say that | Dec 22 11:17 |
linuxgirl | yes, well said | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | many a milion | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | then things will change | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | so please help | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | FOSS is at risk | Dec 22 11:17 |
linuxgirl | yes, if everyone who cares anything about privacy and linux's future said that straight out, things would be very different | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | they use GH for business intelligence | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | they use the "big data" BS | Dec 22 11:17 |
schestowitz | They look for who talks to who, how to control and undermine us | Dec 22 11:18 |
schestowitz | they have departments for this kind of thing | Dec 22 11:18 |
schestowitz | [20:34] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/emilengler/status/1208464911703183362 | Dec 22 11:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emilengler: @bagder @schestowitz They have full write access. As long as you don’t sign all your git commits MS could easily fa… https://t.co/uScx1kNAxa | Dec 22 11:18 | |
schestowitz | v | Dec 22 11:18 |
schestowitz | [20:34] <schestowitz> "They have full write access. As long as you don’t sign all your git commits MS could easily fake your commits. Bitcoin Core for example uses a strong crypto system to secure the commits. Everything would fail there if MS would try to edit the git repo." | Dec 22 11:18 |
schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> I know what you mean, but the danger persists. See intro in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Dec 22 11:18 |
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schestowitz | https://twitter.com/emilengler/status/1208486889646370816 | Dec 22 11:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emilengler: @schestowitz @bagder Let's say all people who should have write access sign all commits and merge commits. Then you… https://t.co/UnAWk1tGzR | Dec 22 11:18 | |
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schestowitz | see the reactions from Mr. Curl, a Swede | Dec 22 11:18 |
schestowitz | he's at least considering | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | Curl is MMMMAAASIVE | Dec 22 11:19 |
linuxgirl | that's some good news then, about Mr Curl | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | maybe distributes millions of copies PER DAY. | Dec 22 11:19 |
linuxgirl | if more like him get on board, there's hope | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | that's a lot of traffic (i.e. spying) by Microsoft | Dec 22 11:19 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | GH loses money | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | but the business model isn't that | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | it's about control | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | always was, even FSF had warned about it | Dec 22 11:20 |
linuxgirl | I'd hope the many who left for gitlab would 'wing' ms enough to stop anything worse | Dec 22 11:20 |
linuxgirl | absolutely needs ppl to leave GH entirely | Dec 22 11:20 |
schestowitz | yes, but | Dec 22 11:20 |
schestowitz | CREATE THE INERTIA :-) | Dec 22 11:20 |
schestowitz | let's do this | Dec 22 11:20 |
oiaohm | gitlab does not give access to the same CI testing platforms as github. | Dec 22 11:20 |
schestowitz | I can't do this alone | Dec 22 11:20 |
linuxgirl | yes :-) | Dec 22 11:20 |
schestowitz | I try, I use #deletegithub about 10 times per day | Dec 22 11:20 |
linuxgirl | well done! | Dec 22 11:20 |
schestowitz | but a thousand of us can floods social control media convos with the social call, the call for action | Dec 22 11:21 |
schestowitz | to the point where quitting is an act of collective solidarity | Dec 22 11:21 |
linuxgirl | the irony is I'm not on any social media, to avoid data/privacy issues, just a mastodon account I don't really use, but this needs social media! I can tweet it there lots | Dec 22 11:21 |
schestowitz | zoobab used to help with it | Dec 22 11:21 |
schestowitz | he slowed down a bit | Dec 22 11:21 |
oiaohm | The possiblity of the hosting messing with your git repo is possible no matter how you use. | Dec 22 11:21 |
linuxgirl | no reddit, twitter, google etc | Dec 22 11:21 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: stop with your MS apologism | Dec 22 11:21 |
oiaohm | So signing should be a general recommendation. | Dec 22 11:21 |
schestowitz | not the place | Dec 22 11:21 |
linuxgirl | oh my gawd, not the ms stuff again | Dec 22 11:22 |
linuxgirl | this is a linux IRC! | Dec 22 11:22 |
linuxgirl | not pro-ms | Dec 22 11:22 |
schestowitz | CI... give me a break... not many even use that | Dec 22 11:22 |
schestowitz | Maybe you can go on about Visual Studio 'Code' (openwash) integration | Dec 22 11:22 |
schestowitz | And AZUNE [sic] | Dec 22 11:22 |
linuxgirl | lol | Dec 22 11:22 |
linuxgirl | such a critical time to cut off ms tentacles, and LF/anything not supportive of Linux | Dec 22 11:23 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/05/18/zune-theming/ | Dec 22 11:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | At Microsoft, Linux/FOSS is Like Zune | Techrights | Dec 22 11:23 | |
schestowitz | LF is fried | Dec 22 11:23 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 11:23 |
schestowitz | it's an openwashing operation | Dec 22 11:23 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2018/07/19/gcp-move-update/ welcome to great fun as well | Dec 22 11:23 |
schestowitz | They're to us what OSI was | Dec 22 11:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.gitlab.com | Update on our planned move from Azure to Google Cloud Platform | GitLab | Dec 22 11:23 | |
schestowitz | irrelevant, a bypass used by corporate power | Dec 22 11:23 |
linuxgirl | I'm thinking it's surely getting so obvious that many more are awake to the dubious stuff they're doing, and won't support/donate | Dec 22 11:23 |
oiaohm | Notice the top list there of countries that cannot access gitlab because they are using google storage. | Dec 22 11:23 |
schestowitz | Torvalds doesn't care about freedom anyway, so I don't think I can ever convince him to do anything | Dec 22 11:24 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: this is not MS apologism | Dec 22 11:24 |
schestowitz | he's aging fast now | Dec 22 11:24 |
oiaohm | There is a set of pracital problems. | Dec 22 11:24 |
schestowitz | college in Portland is pricey | Dec 22 11:24 |
linuxgirl | yes, not impressed with Mr Torvalds over the last year | Dec 22 11:24 |
schestowitz | maybe the girls can do Ivy League, that's like a million bucks each | Dec 22 11:24 |
oiaohm | You might be using gitlab and github in combination so all your users can access it. + some others. | Dec 22 11:24 |
linuxgirl | and GregKH signing two MS ppl into the kernel ... well, that's me so done with him | Dec 22 11:24 |
schestowitz | [11:24] <oiaohm> There is a set of pracital problems. | Dec 22 11:24 |
schestowitz | You could stay with UNIX in 1989 for the same reasons | Dec 22 11:25 |
schestowitz | linuxgirl: he was trouble ages ago | Dec 22 11:25 |
schestowitz | he commented in techrights some times... | Dec 22 11:25 |
linuxgirl | users still accessing github are taking part in dismantling linux privacy/choice etc, so that'll be a short-lived thing if propping up ms is seen as the option ... never support what's anti-Linux | Dec 22 11:25 |
schestowitz | Greg was always a "pragmatist" | Dec 22 11:26 |
linuxgirl | yes, wasn't keen on GregKH on sight, lol | Dec 22 11:26 |
schestowitz | LF Swappie talked to him to reinforce this months ago | Dec 22 11:26 |
schestowitz | We're just "religion" and "hippies" to these people | Dec 22 11:26 |
linuxgirl | Greg seems to only care re tech/himself, not where or what is affected by that | Dec 22 11:26 |
schestowitz | that's what companies like | Dec 22 11:26 |
schestowitz | maybe that's why LF added him to the payroll | Dec 22 11:26 |
schestowitz | Microsoft apologism? Check. HIRED! | Dec 22 11:27 |
linuxgirl | wow, religion and hippies ... those championing what really matters! | Dec 22 11:27 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/27/smearing-gnu-linux-as-religion/ | Dec 22 11:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Somebody Needs to Explain to the Linux Foundation That GNU/Linux (or Software Freedom) is Not a Religion | Techrights | Dec 22 11:27 | |
linuxgirl | yes, guaranteed that's why LF cultivate GregKH | Dec 22 11:27 |
schestowitz | GregKH friend brings a friend | Dec 22 11:28 |
schestowitz | Levin | Dec 22 11:28 |
schestowitz | he said he "can vouch for him" | Dec 22 11:28 |
linuxgirl | omg | Dec 22 11:28 |
schestowitz | Thank you, Greg, we already know your Novell salaries came from Microsoft | Dec 22 11:28 |
linuxgirl | anyone GregKH vouches for isn't a friend of Linux I bet | Dec 22 11:28 |
schestowitz | his hyper-V work etc. | Dec 22 11:29 |
linuxgirl | hmmm | Dec 22 11:29 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Dec 22 11:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights | Dec 22 11:29 | |
linuxgirl | wow, as we're chatting it keeps hitting me about facebook.github, lol | Dec 22 11:29 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16819288 | Dec 22 11:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Remember that to #linuxfoundation we're just "religion" and "hippies"; we're NOTHING to these people; the management there is career-climbing sociopaths. http://techrights.org/2019/10/27/smearing-gnu-linux-as-religion/ | Dec 22 11:29 | |
linuxgirl | just unbelievable! | Dec 22 11:29 |
schestowitz | please help us | Dec 22 11:29 |
schestowitz | to spread the word | Dec 22 11:29 |
schestowitz | that's all we need | Dec 22 11:29 |
schestowitz | numbers | Dec 22 11:29 |
linuxgirl | where do you go after arch (baby arch, btw ... the Zen installer, after having done a lot of 'the arch way' installs) | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | we have the truth and narrative | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | not the budget | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | but we have time and passion | Dec 22 11:30 |
linuxgirl | yes, will do my best! :-) | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | some people send us articles | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | which helps also.... | Dec 22 11:30 |
linuxgirl | will do my best! :-) | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | some send leaks and tips | Dec 22 11:30 |
linuxgirl | eek | Dec 22 11:30 |
schestowitz | like the Bill Gates stuff | Dec 22 11:30 |
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linuxgirl | grrr, text stopped working | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | months ago Bill paid my boss | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | under NDA | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | I did not sign the NSA | Dec 22 11:31 |
linuxgirl | eek | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | NDA | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | it does not apply to me | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | My boss competes against MS | Dec 22 11:31 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: you have a list of projects that are on github. Ok how many of those provide either Windows binaries or OS X binaries. Remember you move to gitlab hosted by gitlab there CI hardware does not provide OS X or Windows. | Dec 22 11:31 |
schestowitz | So no reason for Bill to pay him | Dec 22 11:31 |
oiaohm | Basically who is going to pay the bill to run those CI severs. | Dec 22 11:31 |
linuxgirl | yes, following things back, or the worse steps these people try, can be very surprising | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | we know what happened after Bill had paid MIT through his BBF Epstein | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | RMS homeless | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: enough with your CI nonsense | Dec 22 11:32 |
linuxgirl | yes, just awful ... hope RMS is doing well | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | irrelevant | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | you can use gitlab also | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | the startups that do CI also add gitlab support sooner or later | Dec 22 11:32 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: No you cannot gitlab provide CI is Linux. | Dec 22 11:32 |
schestowitz | as GL grows | Dec 22 11:32 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: the free one that is. | Dec 22 11:32 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: there is no windows CI or OS X CI free there. | Dec 22 11:33 |
schestowitz | [11:31] <oiaohm> Basically who is going to pay the bill to run those CI severs. | Dec 22 11:33 |
schestowitz | go on, fool | Dec 22 11:33 |
schestowitz | let's make MS our sugar daddy | Dec 22 11:33 |
schestowitz | what can go wrong | Dec 22 11:33 |
linuxgirl | lol, anything MS-linked is going to be doing damage | Dec 22 11:33 |
schestowitz | PLEASE Microsoft.... pay me for the server.... PLEASE!!! Freedom!! PLEASE!! NADELLA, I LOVE YOU!! | Dec 22 11:33 |
linuxgirl | lol :-) | Dec 22 11:33 |
oiaohm | Exactly point | Dec 22 11:33 |
oiaohm | If you don't use the CI provide at MS expenise you have to give them more money. | Dec 22 11:34 |
linuxgirl | linux has ALL the tech ability, so much so that ms wants that, so there are plenty who can develop a GH alternative, or improve gitlab | Dec 22 11:34 |
schestowitz | kaniini very generously donated a server to us | Dec 22 11:34 |
linuxgirl | cool! :-) | Dec 22 11:34 |
linuxgirl | very good of them | Dec 22 11:34 |
schestowitz | the Free software world can figure out how to keep momentum going, without MS money | Dec 22 11:34 |
linuxgirl | absolutely! | Dec 22 11:34 |
oiaohm | I am not against say that project should have copies of their git with more than provider. | Dec 22 11:35 |
schestowitz | to depend financially on one's competition is to kill oneself | Dec 22 11:35 |
linuxgirl | no support to those who back MS is critical, and no using MS stuff | Dec 22 11:35 |
oiaohm | Take as much advantage of what is given for free. | Dec 22 11:35 |
linuxgirl | yes, can never get rid of something like MS if still accessing and supporting it | Dec 22 11:35 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/eren_niazi/status/1125052469099151360 | Dec 22 11:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eren_niazi: @schestowitz #microsoft has a master plan for #opensource and it’s not good. OpenSource is about #Freedom not cont… https://t.co/xfmholiyEz | Dec 22 11:35 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 22 11:35 |
schestowitz | #microsoft has a master plan for #opensource and it’s not good. | Dec 22 11:35 |
schestowitz | OpenSource is about #Freedom not control. | Dec 22 11:35 |
schestowitz | Don’t you all think it’s a little suspicious what Microsoft paid for #github? | Dec 22 11:35 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 22 11:35 |
linuxgirl | yes, a world without privacy/space/choice/freedom is not manageable | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: github is NOT FREE | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | you are the PRODUCT | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | They spy on | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | devs | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | users | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | downloaders | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | It's B.I. | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | It's about control | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | They also censor devs | Dec 22 11:36 |
linuxgirl | yes, to pay that much is odd ... part of the master plan no doubt, and they're mainly known as data stealers | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | they remove projects for "ethical" reasons | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | (business reasons) | Dec 22 11:36 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: gitlab sensors developers and removes projects for ethical reasons/business reasons as well. | Dec 22 11:36 |
linuxgirl | wow, they do that?! | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | remove project for Trump, to impose US racist sanctions | Dec 22 11:36 |
schestowitz | so stop calling GitHub "free" | Dec 22 11:37 |
linuxgirl | not a surprise really ... it is ms after all | Dec 22 11:37 |
schestowitz | "Free" bunny | Dec 22 11:37 |
schestowitz | Microsoft wants a list of who uses what | Dec 22 11:37 |
schestowitz | then they can target them | Dec 22 11:37 |
schestowitz | like cambridge analytics did brexit sceptics | Dec 22 11:37 |
linuxgirl | yes, power and control over open source | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | Now they display targeted ads inside native Vista 10 "apps" | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | Like file managers | Dec 22 11:38 |
linuxgirl | goodness | Dec 22 11:38 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/microsoft-hosts-the-windows-source-in-a-monstrous-300gb-git-repository/ amount Microsoft paid for github makes sense for another reason. | Dec 22 11:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft hosts the Windows source in a monstrous 300GB Git repository | Ars Technica | Dec 22 11:38 | |
schestowitz | They can dissuade potential escapees they view as exploring gnu/linux | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | pushing them to MSVS, Azure etc. | Dec 22 11:38 |
linuxgirl | yes, trying to pull them over to develop 'linux' stuff for windows | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | And target CEOs to move companies to these, to ensure staff remains stranded in Windowsland | Dec 22 11:39 |
linuxgirl | IoT is bad enough without ms trying to pull linux devs over there for it | Dec 22 11:39 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: don't like to pedophile technica | Dec 22 11:39 |
schestowitz | they should really delete this MS propaganda | Dec 22 11:39 |
schestowitz | ghostwritten by Microsoft | Dec 22 11:39 |
oiaohm | I remember when windows source was stored in their own version control system. | Dec 22 11:39 |
schestowitz | sent to their child rapist to post under pressure | Dec 22 11:39 |
oiaohm | But they changed to git because it did not work. | Dec 22 11:39 |
linuxgirl | yes, ms very much about disgusting abuse | Dec 22 11:39 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: now you reinforce what people in phoronix say abouy uoi | Dec 22 11:40 |
schestowitz | a Microsoft pusher | Dec 22 11:40 |
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linuxgirl | I seriously think you're working for ms, oiaohm | Dec 22 11:40 |
schestowitz | We talk about GNU/Linux advocacy and all you can do is confront us by pushing pro-MSFT lies | Dec 22 11:40 |
linuxgirl | otherwise, what solutions do you have that are about supporting linux and privacy/freedom/choice? | Dec 22 11:40 |
schestowitz | GitHub also bribes OSI and LF | Dec 22 11:40 |
schestowitz | It's another bribery vehicle/coffer for the thugs | Dec 22 11:41 |
linuxgirl | yes, these places need nobody to donate a penny even | Dec 22 11:41 |
schestowitz | and they use that for entryism, e.g. Python Boards (PyCon etc.) | Dec 22 11:41 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 11:41 |
schestowitz | anyway, after today we must step up the calls for github to be abandoned | Dec 22 11:41 |
schestowitz | "why are you on github?" | Dec 22 11:41 |
linuxgirl | absolutely! | Dec 22 11:41 |
schestowitz | "what will it take for you to remove project/distro?" | Dec 22 11:42 |
schestowitz | "how can we help?" | Dec 22 11:42 |
linuxgirl | a list of the worst about ms, and 'this is the company trying to run linux'. | Dec 22 11:42 |
linuxgirl | good questions list | Dec 22 11:42 |
schestowitz | "what is the timeline for leaving?" | Dec 22 11:42 |
oiaohm | Its been fun watching Microsoft kind of given in with the idea of bend Linux source applications to windows nt with wsl2 going full Linux kernel. | Dec 22 11:42 |
schestowitz | "can we suggest a number of reasons for leaving...?" | Dec 22 11:42 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: WSL is an attack on us all | Dec 22 11:42 |
schestowitz | look who PROMOTES it | Dec 22 11:43 |
schestowitz | Microsoft sites | Dec 22 11:43 |
linuxgirl | I think most people also knowing things like the child abuse that goes on, too | Dec 22 11:43 |
schestowitz | Microsoft lovers | Dec 22 11:43 |
schestowitz | Microsoft staff | Dec 22 11:43 |
oiaohm | I am waiting for WSL2 to backfire. | Dec 22 11:43 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/05/wsl-secrets/ | Dec 22 11:43 |
oiaohm | Because WSL2 is not keeping up to date with kernel version. | Dec 22 11:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Staff Repeatedly Refuses to Tell How Many People Use WSL, Defends Patent Extortion and Blackmail of Linux Instead | Techrights | Dec 22 11:43 | |
schestowitz | #microsoftloveslinux | Dec 22 11:43 |
oiaohm | This will result in not having all the require CVE as per government contracts. | Dec 22 11:43 |
oiaohm | WSL1 backfired. | Dec 22 11:44 |
schestowitz | [11:43] <linuxgirl> I think most people also knowing things like the child abuse that goes on, too | Dec 22 11:44 |
oiaohm | WSL2 will as well. | Dec 22 11:44 |
linuxgirl | #microsoftuseslinux | Dec 22 11:44 |
oiaohm | Just question of time. | Dec 22 11:44 |
schestowitz | we only cover this in relation to etch though | Dec 22 11:44 |
schestowitz | or we'd be spread too wide | Dec 22 11:44 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/ | Dec 22 11:44 |
schestowitz | oiaohm uses him for referencing :-) | Dec 22 11:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | Techrights | Dec 22 11:44 | |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/30/microsoft-peter-lives-on/ | Dec 22 11:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even After Microsoft Lost Its PR ‘Asset’ at Ars Technica (Arrested for Sexually Abusing Kids) Ars Technica Persists With Microsoft Advocacy (in ‘News’ Form) | Techrights | Dec 22 11:45 | |
linuxgirl | yes, the whole business is sordid, what with literal abuse, and what they're trying to do with linux ... nobody must support them who runs linux, if linux is to be protected ie privacy/freedom/choice | Dec 22 11:45 |
linuxgirl | Gates/Epstein too ... no normal person thinks paedophilia in an organisation, or anywhere, is okay | Dec 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | linux is easy for them to control | Dec 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | gnu... not as easy | Dec 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | linux is possible to control through LF | Dec 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | which is corrupt to the core now | Dec 22 11:46 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: I did not check who the reference was. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/bharry/the-largest-git-repo-on-the-planet/ Its over here as well. Microsoft uses a lot of Linux and for windows depends on git to be useable. | Dec 22 11:46 |
linuxgirl | we've got to all make sure that anything supporting ms is not supported | Dec 22 11:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devblogs.microsoft.com | The largest Git repo on the planet | Brian Harry's Blog | Dec 22 11:46 | |
schestowitz | [11:46] <linuxgirl> Gates/Epstein too ... no normal person thinks paedophilia in an organisation, or anywhere, is okay | Dec 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | wait for parts IV and V | Dec 22 11:47 |
schestowitz | Gates Sr. played a role also, perhaps | Dec 22 11:47 |
oiaohm | So it was only matter of time until Microsoft either bought github or gitlab. | Dec 22 11:47 |
linuxgirl | okay :-) | Dec 22 11:47 |
schestowitz | Bill's dad | Dec 22 11:47 |
oiaohm | Some ways it was good Microsoft bought github. | Dec 22 11:47 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ | Dec 22 11:47 |
oiaohm | The non open source one. | Dec 22 11:47 |
linuxgirl | only the LF corruption etc enabled MS to buy GH ... it wasn't inevitable at all | Dec 22 11:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriff’s Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights | Dec 22 11:47 | |
schestowitz | The main t trafficking right now is of info... to Techrights | Dec 22 11:47 |
XRevan86 | oiaohm: Why would they buy GitLab though? When buying a userbase GitHub is an obvious choice. | Dec 22 11:48 |
linuxgirl | users have never supported MS being near Linux | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | [11:47] <oiaohm> Some ways it was good Microsoft bought github. | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | some say "Hitler did nothing wrong" | Dec 22 11:48 |
linuxgirl | exactly | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Peter said it's OK to fuck kids | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | even openly | Dec 22 11:48 |
linuxgirl | just awful, and MS are fine with that | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | in Ars parties | Dec 22 11:48 |
XRevan86 | oiaohm: If you mean that this made GitHub's problematic nature more evident, then so what? | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | and they didn't take that as a sign of something | Dec 22 11:48 |
schestowitz | [11:47] <linuxgirl> only the LF corruption etc enabled MS to buy GH ... it wasn't inevitable at all | Dec 22 11:49 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/ | Dec 22 11:49 |
XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's flourishing, so the benefits to the commons are unclear. | Dec 22 11:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | Techrights | Dec 22 11:49 | |
schestowitz | he said that while regulators looked at the GitHub acquisition | Dec 22 11:49 |
schestowitz | MS made him say that | Dec 22 11:49 |
schestowitz | they filmed it | Dec 22 11:49 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 11:49 |
schestowitz | even uploaded it to YOUTUBE! | Dec 22 11:50 |
linuxgirl | so arrogant, aren't they | Dec 22 11:50 |
oiaohm | XRevan86: exactly github was problemmatic before Microsoft bought it. | Dec 22 11:50 |
linuxgirl | ... facebook.github ... :-( | Dec 22 11:50 |
oiaohm | Here a few horrible facts. | Dec 22 11:50 |
XRevan86 | oiaohm: We know! | Dec 22 11:50 |
linuxgirl | https://facebook.github.io/zstd/ | Dec 22 11:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-facebook.github.io | Zstandard - Real-time data compression algorithm | Dec 22 11:51 | |
oiaohm | Before github was bought by microsoft. Both gitlab and github hosting was on Azure so Microsoft could collect all the data back then anyhow. | Dec 22 11:51 |
oiaohm | Gitlab is now on google hosting. | Dec 22 11:51 |
schestowitz | not as legally | Dec 22 11:51 |
schestowitz | and also GitLab is not the solution | Dec 22 11:51 |
schestowitz | self hosting is | Dec 22 11:51 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: in fact legally. | Dec 22 11:51 |
linuxgirl | so you're saying linux developers were stupid before the GH purchase ... if that was the case, about data taken, they'd have known and left before | Dec 22 11:51 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: wording of azure contract allows monitoring for quality provide of service and internal usage. | Dec 22 11:52 |
oiaohm | Most people don't check the azure fine print. | Dec 22 11:52 |
linuxgirl | not interested in MS's inner workings, only in getting rid of them | Dec 22 11:52 |
schestowitz | oiaohm slows down the discussion | Dec 22 11:52 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: we're pro gnu/linux | Dec 22 11:52 |
schestowitz | are you? | Dec 22 11:52 |
oiaohm | So the change in fact changed nothing other than putting problem in face. | Dec 22 11:52 |
linuxgirl | why aren't you beavering away on Github or some MS office? why here? | Dec 22 11:52 |
linuxgirl | we are VERY pro-Linux, yes | Dec 22 11:53 |
kaniini | in fairness all the cloud services have this type of fine print | Dec 22 11:53 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: GitLab != GitLab.com :) | Dec 22 11:53 |
schestowitz | kaniini: yes, I know, but for this reason i don't recommend GitLab either, except self-hosted etc. | Dec 22 11:53 |
linuxgirl | deliberately taking up time with MS, when what matters is time/energy on Linux and it's future | Dec 22 11:53 |
kaniini | accordingly, AWS etc must be avoided too | Dec 22 11:53 |
schestowitz | like GNOME (AFAIK they're in better control) | Dec 22 11:53 |
linuxgirl | a lot of things to avoid nowadays | Dec 22 11:54 |
schestowitz | kaniini: yes, but less urgently than that which looks to undermine or hijack the FS movement | Dec 22 11:54 |
linuxgirl | wondering where to go after Arch (Zen, baby arch ... but have done the proper install quite a few times before) | Dec 22 11:54 |
oiaohm | Reality we have not been reading the fine print. Also we have the problem you want to move away from the cloud services you have to have the resources todo it as well. | Dec 22 11:54 |
schestowitz | you can die cheaply | Dec 22 11:55 |
schestowitz | or live expensively | Dec 22 11:55 |
schestowitz | as a business | Dec 22 11:55 |
kaniini | azure and aws are both trying to convince laboratories to throw their infrastructure in the trash and use the cloud for scientific computing | Dec 22 11:55 |
schestowitz | if you are at the mercy of Google API, watch out | Dec 22 11:55 |
linuxgirl | cloud/smart/5g are the end, if allowed to continue expanding | Dec 22 11:55 |
schestowitz | kaniini: later they jack up the price | Dec 22 11:55 |
schestowitz | and add "extensions" to raise exit barrier | Dec 22 11:55 |
schestowitz | a good CIO would foresee this | Dec 22 11:56 |
kaniini | yes | Dec 22 11:56 |
schestowitz | also unplanned downtimes | Dec 22 11:56 |
schestowitz | uncontrolled | Dec 22 11:56 |
schestowitz | "boss, server's down" | Dec 22 11:56 |
schestowitz | boss: do something | Dec 22 11:56 |
oiaohm | kaniini: its not just azure and aws either. Google and about 5 other cloud vendors are also pushing that into scientific computing and medicial...... | Dec 22 11:56 |
schestowitz | "I do. I'm waiting for "the cloud"..." | Dec 22 11:56 |
linuxgirl | IoT = control the masses/switch off things 'randomly' | Dec 22 11:57 |
schestowitz | our energy provider tries to put one in our home | Dec 22 11:57 |
kaniini | they claim renting instances has lower TCO than buying a cluster outright | Dec 22 11:57 |
kaniini | quite funny really | Dec 22 11:57 |
schestowitz | yesterday in the post they gave notification of visit to install on e | Dec 22 11:57 |
schestowitz | of course we won't let them in, we even pay extra to NOT have one | Dec 22 11:57 |
schestowitz | I feel sooooo NOT "smart" | Dec 22 11:58 |
schestowitz | their marketing papers and letter put "smart" next to every word | Dec 22 11:58 |
linuxgirl | very actually smart, for sure, to not have this spying and controlling stuff | Dec 22 11:58 |
schestowitz | it's hilarious, I should take a photo and upload sometime... | Dec 22 11:58 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: I run Linux on all my systems. I don't see being anti-microsoft is a good move if all that end up happening is like everyone moves to google instead long term that will not improve things. | Dec 22 11:58 |
kaniini | smart meters they can click your power remotely | Dec 22 11:58 |
linuxgirl | yes, the number of time utter idiots use the word 'smart' is ridiculous, all the while intending to destroy privacy etc, including their own | Dec 22 11:58 |
kaniini | one time somebody typo the meter number on a disconnect order and I got clicked | Dec 22 11:58 |
schestowitz | later come Smart+++ | Dec 22 11:59 |
schestowitz | microphones, cameras, thermostats | Dec 22 11:59 |
schestowitz | "for your improved service" | Dec 22 11:59 |
linuxgirl | energy company ALWAYS pushing smart ... an absolute NO from me! | Dec 22 11:59 |
schestowitz | and you can never switch back to analogue | Dec 22 11:59 |
schestowitz | I heard that in germany some energy providers now make this mandatory | Dec 22 11:59 |
linuxgirl | yes, must absolutely resist anything smart | Dec 22 11:59 |
schestowitz | we explain to the man who comes to take meter readings that we protect his job | Dec 22 12:00 |
schestowitz | he's not highly-skilled | Dec 22 12:00 |
linuxgirl | can guarantee google/facebook/ms/aws etc behind it, slurping up anything they can | Dec 22 12:00 |
schestowitz | sometimes we'd let him visit several times to just meet quotas | Dec 22 12:00 |
linuxgirl | yes, hopefully the meter reader 'gets it' and is an anti-smart as us | Dec 22 12:00 |
linuxgirl | cool | Dec 22 12:00 |
linuxgirl | *as anti-smart | Dec 22 12:00 |
schestowitz | haha.... gafam will sooner or later "partner" with these energy companies, not just undersea drillers | Dec 22 12:00 |
schestowitz | https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cia-gus-hunt-big-data_n_2917842 | Dec 22 12:01 |
kaniini | they do already | Dec 22 12:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consent.yahoo.com | HuffPost is now part of Verizon Media | Dec 22 12:01 | |
schestowitz | :-o | Dec 22 12:01 |
kaniini | the smart meters analysis tools for AEP customers are google | Dec 22 12:01 |
linuxgirl | I'd think the more this happens the more people wake up to this and say a determined NO | Dec 22 12:01 |
oiaohm | On IOT https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/12/amazon-apple-google-and-the-zigbee-alliance-to-develop-connectivity-standard/ << this read like o crap no. | Dec 22 12:01 |
kaniini | and they connect to nest and stuff | Dec 22 12:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon, Apple, Google, and the Zigbee Alliance to develop connectivity standard - Apple | Dec 22 12:02 | |
schestowitz | hey, it's not like they'll sell this to the CIA through a shell that's Adelson security contractor in Las Vegas ;-) | Dec 22 12:02 |
linuxgirl | the more numbers who are awake, the less control these organisations have ... obviously they're banding together due to realising ppl are waking up, so they try to rush it through ... | Dec 22 12:02 |
schestowitz | (Assange case in Spain ATM) | Dec 22 12:02 |
schestowitz | linuxgirl: like UPC | Dec 22 12:02 |
schestowitz | Unitary Patent | Dec 22 12:02 |
kaniini | then you have the ring doorbells | Dec 22 12:02 |
schestowitz | They tried to rush it as soon as or before people caught on | Dec 22 12:02 |
schestowitz | but we managed to defeat it | Dec 22 12:02 |
kaniini | cops can view them any time | Dec 22 12:02 |
kaniini | no fourth amendment protection | Dec 22 12:03 |
linuxgirl | the more they try to rush bad things through, the more important it is to not 'jump', to insist on time and gain knowledge, to beat them | Dec 22 12:03 |
schestowitz | kaniini: CCTV in private hands | Dec 22 12:03 |
linuxgirl | those ring doorbells are a travesty ... abusing others' privacy who chose NOT to install them | Dec 22 12:03 |
schestowitz | and in private buildings, your neighbour as informant, unwittingly | Dec 22 12:03 |
linuxgirl | Yes, we're onto them trying to rush things, for sure | Dec 22 12:03 |
schestowitz | Ring is exposed a lot in the media this month | Dec 22 12:03 |
schestowitz | so people have some facts to chew on | Dec 22 12:04 |
schestowitz | whether it slows down adoption? Not sure... | Dec 22 12:04 |
oiaohm | I really do wonder how long until we have our first murder by smart home. That would add a horrible new card to the game of cluedo | Dec 22 12:04 |
linuxgirl | yes, ring does nothing to help neighbourhoods at all ... except maybe highlight who doesn't give a poo about others' rights, and whatever comes from that | Dec 22 12:04 |
schestowitz | SUPPORT CCTV or the "NAZIS"|"TERRORISTS" will win | Dec 22 12:04 |
linuxgirl | yes, I doubt any sane person wants that ring rubbish anywhere near them, so the more publicity the better | Dec 22 12:04 |
schestowitz | [12:04] <oiaohm> I really do wonder how long until we have our first murder by smart home. That would add a horrible new card to the game of cluedo | Dec 22 12:04 |
schestowitz | see South Korea | Dec 22 12:04 |
schestowitz | girl, unnamed, committed suicide | Dec 22 12:04 |
schestowitz | when she found out she had been filmed undressing | Dec 22 12:05 |
linuxgirl | awful | Dec 22 12:05 |
schestowitz | I think she was underago, too... weeks ago | Dec 22 12:05 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: I am not talking like that I am talking like the house locks all the doors and sets the place on fire. | Dec 22 12:05 |
linuxgirl | ring has been repeatedly hacked already, instructing kids, screaming at ppl, etc | Dec 22 12:05 |
schestowitz | the media there won't even shed many details | Dec 22 12:05 |
schestowitz | hotels did the same thing | Dec 22 12:05 |
schestowitz | filming couples having sex | Dec 22 12:05 |
schestowitz | a friend who was there a year ago told me hotel r ooms were afleed with digial things | Dec 22 12:06 |
schestowitz | even the toilet seats... | Dec 22 12:06 |
schestowitz | They're technophiles... to the extreme | Dec 22 12:06 |
linuxgirl | it's got to the point that contemplating going anywhere, the first thought is privacy risks | Dec 22 12:06 |
schestowitz | they're put gadgets on their dicks if such a thing existed | Dec 22 12:06 |
linuxgirl | yep | Dec 22 12:06 |
linuxgirl | already robot sex being pushed as 'a great opportunity' | Dec 22 12:06 |
schestowitz | and wearing hats/masking the face is being criminalised | Dec 22 12:07 |
oiaohm | Some hotels do have horrible set of sensors. | Dec 22 12:07 |
linuxgirl | 'build your own' | Dec 22 12:07 |
schestowitz | in several Western 'civilised' nations | Dec 22 12:07 |
schestowitz | I saw several reports this month alone | Dec 22 12:07 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 12:07 |
oiaohm | Yes some do have tollet seat sensors for the stupid reason to reduce on cleaning. | Dec 22 12:07 |
schestowitz | so EVEN LOOKING AWAY FROM A CAMERA gets you detained | Dec 22 12:07 |
schestowitz | happened in BritLand months ago | Dec 22 12:07 |
schestowitz | cameras in the streets that is | Dec 22 12:07 |
schestowitz | makes you "suspect" | Dec 22 12:07 |
linuxgirl | but ppl should be clean about the toilet .. it's just a lazy excuse saying 'we need sensors to make sure the loo is clean' | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | "Wants privacy" -> crime suspect | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | [12:07] <oiaohm> Yes some do have tollet seat sensors for the stupid reason to reduce on cleaning. | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | sign | Dec 22 12:08 |
oiaohm | linuxgirl: its so they don't have to clean it if you don't use it. | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | hey, get a smart watch | Dec 22 12:08 |
linuxgirl | exactly ... you're looked at as if you should be committed if mentioning privacy | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | apple has a new patent | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | for putting cameras on these | Dec 22 12:08 |
linuxgirl | still laxy | Dec 22 12:08 |
linuxgirl | *lazy | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | smike with your anus while you wipe, oiaohm | Dec 22 12:08 |
schestowitz | Hey, "] <oiaohm> linuxgirl: its so they don't have to clean it if you don't use it. " | Dec 22 12:08 |
oiaohm | Nothing as stupid as hotel/cruse ship safes. | Dec 22 12:09 |
schestowitz | It's good for your hiegiene to give them back end 'action'..." | Dec 22 12:09 |
oiaohm | That standard password basically open them always. | Dec 22 12:09 |
schestowitz | *hygiene | Dec 22 12:09 |
oiaohm | So if you have stuff to secure you should always travel with your own security solution. | Dec 22 12:09 |
linuxgirl | people sh*tting everywhere and not cleaning up is encouraged by 'sensors' ie potential data-miners | Dec 22 12:09 |
linuxgirl | that's lazy and not civilized | Dec 22 12:09 |
schestowitz | bs excuse | Dec 22 12:10 |
schestowitz | hire bloody maids and janitors | Dec 22 12:10 |
linuxgirl | a bum wash, where you pull a lever, fine, but sensors/smart stuff ... nope | Dec 22 12:10 |
schestowitz | give people bloody jobs | Dec 22 12:10 |
schestowitz | and they will respect your disgnity | Dec 22 12:10 |
linuxgirl | lol, yes, ppl's jobs, and normal ways of doing stuff | Dec 22 12:10 |
schestowitz | unless you're DSK from IMF | Dec 22 12:10 |
schestowitz | linuxgirl: f* jobs | Dec 22 12:10 |
schestowitz | give tax money to foxconn | Dec 22 12:11 |
linuxgirl | lol | Dec 22 12:11 |
schestowitz | they'll erect some empty building in WI | Dec 22 12:11 |
schestowitz | Jobs? There you go? Another 2 TRILLION in national debt. Am I doing OK? The Donald Tycoon had 6 bankruptcies... 7th and biggest one yet on the way | Dec 22 12:12 |
oiaohm | In future we could have way worse in a tollet than just monitoring if you used it or not. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/11/191113114909.htm | Dec 22 12:12 |
linuxgirl | omg | Dec 22 12:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can 'smart toilets' be the next health data wellspring? -- ScienceDaily | Dec 22 12:12 | |
linuxgirl | plop in a bag, I say | Dec 22 12:12 |
linuxgirl | lol | Dec 22 12:12 |
schestowitz | or stay away from these "smart" places with "smart" se rvices | Dec 22 12:12 |
linuxgirl | yes, for sure | Dec 22 12:13 |
schestowitz | I never swipe a card at the gym... I'm the only one apparently, they came to accept that | Dec 22 12:13 |
linuxgirl | good | Dec 22 12:13 |
oiaohm | I guess you saw nytimes with the mobile phone tracking data that people had agreed to with apps on phones | Dec 22 12:13 |
schestowitz | 'phones' | Dec 22 12:13 |
oiaohm | Including a good stack of people working in pentagon and whitehouse. | Dec 22 12:13 |
schestowitz | Jacob Appelbaum said it like I had | Dec 22 12:13 |
linuxgirl | my app days are long gone | Dec 22 12:13 |
schestowitz | it's a spying devices that can also make calls | Dec 22 12:13 |
schestowitz | before they 'vanished' him with fear of prosecution | Dec 22 12:14 |
schestowitz | he linked to techrights on occasions | Dec 22 12:14 |
oiaohm | https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html << this one I am refering to. | Dec 22 12:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Twelve Million Phones, One Dataset, Zero Privacy - The New York Times | Dec 22 12:14 | |
schestowitz | I know | Dec 22 12:14 |
schestowitz | lots of articles about that one article | Dec 22 12:14 |
schestowitz | but people will likely not change habits | Dec 22 12:14 |
oiaohm | Of course this does not cover the fact your carrier can track you down to a roughtly square meter from the towers. | Dec 22 12:15 |
oiaohm | without an app. | Dec 22 12:15 |
schestowitz | when i met my consulate in Leeds (Germany) he was shocked when I explained to him google ignores the location toggle | Dec 22 12:15 |
schestowitz | they should not use these things | Dec 22 12:15 |
schestowitz | diplomats... Merkel has a special one | Dec 22 12:15 |
oiaohm | I am watching pinephone developments. | Dec 22 12:16 |
schestowitz | the others just buy one off the shelf... like ordinary citizens | Dec 22 12:16 |
oiaohm | Could be a decent phone from a security point of view. | Dec 22 12:16 |
schestowitz | the Pentagon analysts have them on their systems... can blackmail them using all sorts of things inc. corruption and infidelity | Dec 22 12:16 |
schestowitz | pinephone still uses the celltowers | Dec 22 12:16 |
linuxgirl | depends what's run on the phone maybe | Dec 22 12:16 |
schestowitz | and the calls are not e2e-encrypted | Dec 22 12:16 |
schestowitz | PGP works better | Dec 22 12:17 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: does have a cell moden offswitch so I can still access the data on it when it not trackable to towers | Dec 22 12:17 |
schestowitz | they know who talks to who unless you use tor | Dec 22 12:17 |
linuxgirl | pinephone are looking to develop a smart-watch. hopefully the phone and watch can make some real progress | Dec 22 12:17 |
schestowitz | but they don't know where from or contents | Dec 22 12:17 |
schestowitz | PGP now encrypts subject lines too (unlike in the past) | Dec 22 12:17 |
*schestowitz gets stuff about Gates in PGP crypto | Dec 22 12:18 | |
linuxgirl | cool | Dec 22 12:18 |
oiaohm | Even using tor its still possible to solve out who is talking to who it just takes more time. | Dec 22 12:18 |
schestowitz | i.e. from 'criminals' | Dec 22 12:18 |
schestowitz | people who want privacy = criminals :-) | Dec 22 12:18 |
schestowitz | how dare they speak of crime | Dec 22 12:18 |
linuxgirl | gone from pushing ms to saying 'nothing is private' ... not true | Dec 22 12:18 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: so why does your country (AU) try to IMPOSE back doors? | Dec 22 12:19 |
schestowitz | It's the only one that openly passed a low about it | Dec 22 12:19 |
schestowitz | I suppose China, US and Russia did too | Dec 22 12:19 |
linuxgirl | asserting privacy, and working for that, does have positive outcomes, and will continue ... there'd not have been a linux otherwise, and now across all servers | Dec 22 12:19 |
schestowitz | Obviously they have a lapse of vision | Dec 22 12:19 |
schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap | Dec 22 12:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pine Gap - Wikipedia | Dec 22 12:19 | |
schestowitz | [12:19] <schestowitz> It's the only one that openly passed a low about it >>> LAW | Dec 22 12:20 |
schestowitz | UK did that more secretly, Aussie speaks to enough dingos... that they can just be all blatant about it and still pass it | Dec 22 12:20 |
linuxgirl | it's shameful how much the UK is mentioned as the worst for privacy ... and concerning | Dec 22 12:21 |
schestowitz | I'm waiting to see people who think WSL offers better privacy :-) LOL | Dec 22 12:21 |
linuxgirl | and AU used to not be negative about this stuff | Dec 22 12:21 |
linuxgirl | lol! :-) | Dec 22 12:21 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1106025553042305025 | Dec 22 12:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Another example: The alleged "CIA Snowden", Joshua Schulte, who the US claims is the whistleblower behind the large… https://t.co/LVSg5yih4s | Dec 22 12:21 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Another example: The alleged "CIA Snowden", Joshua Schulte, who the US claims is the whistleblower behind the large… https://t.co/LVSg5yih4s | Dec 22 12:21 | |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1106026889200705538 | Dec 22 12:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @wikileaks https://t.co/nwyk77O285 | Dec 22 12:21 | |
linuxgirl | omg, 160 years ... they really want rid of him | Dec 22 12:22 |
schestowitz | they say he's a pedo | Dec 22 12:22 |
schestowitz | so nobody in the media will support him like they did Snowden | Dec 22 12:22 |
schestowitz | clever strategy | Dec 22 12:22 |
schestowitz | nobody would ever want to defend a pedo | Dec 22 12:22 |
linuxgirl | all fabricated to try to avoid another Snowden/any impact | Dec 22 12:22 |
schestowitz | same done to matt dehart | Dec 22 12:22 |
schestowitz | who was released months ago... his mother has been lovely to me | Dec 22 12:23 |
schestowitz | and I doubt he has interest in kids, sexuallu | Dec 22 12:23 |
linuxgirl | I'd hope people start realising not to take at face value these kind of slurs ... I think the system arrogantly does this too often | Dec 22 12:23 |
schestowitz | doesn't fit the 'profile' | Dec 22 12:23 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: You need to think more carefully. AU is part of the Five Eyes. That is Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. Differnet things by law Australian government is required to declare publicly. | Dec 22 12:23 |
linuxgirl | system doesn't care if it destroys these men's lives | Dec 22 12:23 |
schestowitz | This is what a pedo might look like https://srx.sx/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.JCMus79i8VPqQ8XYiCcZawHaFf%26pid%3DApi&h=71ecfa56dcb943c2bec2269ad6c3904afa8ee0da0a5760f955c895dec4e2ea60 | Dec 22 12:24 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: Don't think for one min that those backdoors the Australian government was talking about imposing was only Australia. | Dec 22 12:24 |
linuxgirl | as long as truth is kept quiet ... they hope ... | Dec 22 12:24 |
linuxgirl | definitely | Dec 22 12:24 |
linuxgirl | ie bill's one | Dec 22 12:24 |
schestowitz | Bill is ready | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | Bill is hungry | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | come to Bill | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | but... | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | I don't think he's a pedo | Dec 22 12:25 |
linuxgirl | bill is a .... [daren't type it] | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | wife thinks he might be "watching" | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | not "participating" | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | and I doubt it altogether | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | all of it, except some people around him are pedos | Dec 22 12:25 |
linuxgirl | paedo or supporting it ... both really bad | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | he's aware and he worries people will find out | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | familiar situation | Dec 22 12:25 |
schestowitz | you know someone who stole or evades tax | Dec 22 12:26 |
linuxgirl | I don't know how anyone can stomach being anywhere near taking part in or supporting abuse | Dec 22 12:26 |
schestowitz | but that person trusts you, so you just blush and keep numb | Dec 22 12:26 |
linuxgirl | if Gates blew the whistle, yes, he'd be poor, but at least he'd have found a soul, and make a significant difference | Dec 22 12:26 |
schestowitz | AANND... remember what Gates' "Saint" status is built around | Dec 22 12:26 |
schestowitz | he loves and helps kids.... we're told | Dec 22 12:26 |
linuxgirl | exactly | Dec 22 12:26 |
schestowitz | so it would totally end his public career like it did PedoDrew ('Prince Andrew') | Dec 22 12:27 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 12:27 |
schestowitz | if he goes dark, it's good for FS | Dec 22 12:27 |
linuxgirl | a good thing ... these ppl have no right to be so corrupt and not pay for that | Dec 22 12:27 |
schestowitz | he's the lead in MS Board | Dec 22 12:27 |
schestowitz | nobody in the Board has more clout then him | Dec 22 12:27 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 12:27 |
schestowitz | he can sack nadella in 5 minutes if so he wishes | Dec 22 12:27 |
schestowitz | faster tan you can say "BILL, HEEEEL!" | Dec 22 12:28 |
linuxgirl | yes, if only he himself could be sacked | Dec 22 12:28 |
schestowitz | he can be put away | Dec 22 12:28 |
schestowitz | like RMS was | Dec 22 12:28 |
oiaohm | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/03/facebook-surveillance-us-uk-australia-backdoor-encryption << Please note here 3 countries sign this request to facebook. Only one in fact had taken it before the Parliament before doing that request and that is Australia. | Dec 22 12:28 |
schestowitz | for legit reasons, not libel | Dec 22 12:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | US, UK and Australia urge Facebook to create backdoor access to encrypted messages | Technology | The Guardian | Dec 22 12:28 | |
schestowitz | RMS was pushed aside for what he had said for years | Dec 22 12:28 |
schestowitz | in his site, publicly | Dec 22 12:28 |
schestowitz | that sexual "assault" should at least be physical | Dec 22 12:29 |
linuxgirl | RMS has done so much good .... Gates definitely not | Dec 22 12:29 |
schestowitz | like cops assault protesters | Dec 22 12:29 |
linuxgirl | looking ahead, I'd choose an RMS-world, never a Gates one | Dec 22 12:29 |
schestowitz | then they spiced it up with something he said a decade ago about an article about some pedo political party... a Dutch one, IIRC | Dec 22 12:29 |
linuxgirl | as you'd now privacy/freedom/choice not only continue but become much more what real life is about | Dec 22 12:29 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm | Dec 22 12:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bbc.co.uk | BBC NEWS | Technology | It's not the Gates, it's the bars | Dec 22 12:30 | |
schestowitz | by RMS | Dec 22 12:30 |
linuxgirl | the cancel culture went for him, just a week after he spoke at MS ... not suspicious (sarc) | Dec 22 12:30 |
schestowitz | Before Gates started bribing BBC repeatedly, | Dec 22 12:30 |
schestowitz | As he does the Guardian | Dec 22 12:30 |
schestowitz | RMS told me after that they had become less receptive to him columns, or something to that effect | Dec 22 12:31 |
linuxgirl | I don't bother with any of these horrible newspapers ... the British press have no credibility any more | Dec 22 12:31 |
linuxgirl | Yes, I imagine they would start unpleasantness like shoving RMS out of articles | Dec 22 12:31 |
schestowitz | linuxgirl: a day after a report request filed with the police | Dec 22 12:31 |
schestowitz | for pedo arrest at his home (Gates') | Dec 22 12:31 |
linuxgirl | yes | Dec 22 12:31 |
schestowitz | Sept. 13tth | Dec 22 12:31 |
schestowitz | September 13, 2019 - Written request made to King County Sheriff’s Office: “Request is made for the following public records regarding criminal case # 14-1-06789-1: 1. Full police report. 2. Search warrant application and affidavit. 3. CAD report. 4. All transcripts/audio recordings/statements from defendant and witnesses related to this case. 5. Property/Evidence Report.” | Dec 22 12:32 |
linuxgirl | shocking that there was so much RMS hate instead, wrongfully | Dec 22 12:32 |
schestowitz | September 13, 2019 - Received email from Sakilyne Kally | Functional Analyst II | Public Disclosure Unit - Subject: Public Disclosure Request Reference #P039465-091319. Message: “Using the information provided, the KCSO Disclosure Unit has determined that the incident you are referring to occurred outside the jurisdiction of the KCSO. We suggest you contact Seattle Police for records that may be responsive to your request. You may reach | Dec 22 12:32 |
schestowitz | them at (206) 684-5481. Your request is now closed.” | Dec 22 12:32 |
linuxgirl | hmmm | Dec 22 12:32 |
schestowitz | September 13, 2019 - Submitted same written request to City of Seattle Public Records Request Center. Included additional optional fields for reference: “Incident Number: 14-1-06789-1. Incident Date: March 20, 2014.” | Dec 22 12:32 |
schestowitz | September 13, 2019 - Request received by SPPD, reference number is P047691-091319. City of Seattle Public Records Request Center user account created and confirmed by email. | Dec 22 12:32 |
schestowitz | Sept. 14th THIS started: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Dec 22 12:33 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Dec 22 12:33 | |
schestowitz | mind dates | Dec 22 12:33 |
linuxgirl | Like Andrew, I seriously wonder how involved we'll find Gates to be in the end. | Dec 22 12:33 |
linuxgirl | Yes, the very next day! | Dec 22 12:33 |
linuxgirl | To shift the heat | Dec 22 12:33 |
schestowitz | wait for later parts | Dec 22 12:34 |
schestowitz | it'll fascinate you | Dec 22 12:34 |
linuxgirl | With no regard for all of RMS's very important work | Dec 22 12:34 |
schestowitz | I will start next week with part III | Dec 22 12:34 |
linuxgirl | I look forward to reading that | Dec 22 12:34 |
linuxgirl | great :-) | Dec 22 12:34 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/12/17/gates-secrets-gatekeeper/ | Dec 22 12:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia – Part I: Bill Gates Has Plenty to Hide. Money and Connections Have Helped. | Techrights | Dec 22 12:34 | |
oiaohm | The horrible part is laws effecting people in management positions like CEOs really don't care how much good you do for a business. | Dec 22 12:34 |
linuxgirl | RMS knows this, yes, that it was to shift the Gates heat away from the spotlight? | Dec 22 12:34 |
schestowitz | I wil drop clues in IRC | Dec 22 12:35 |
linuxgirl | Yes, the business psychopaths, who only care re money/control | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | October 22, 2019 - Received status update email from Sauncy Hurst: “The Seattle Police Department needs additional time to respond to your request due to the following: Records are currently being reviewed for redactions At this time, we anticipate having a response/installment to you on or about 11/13/2019.” | Dec 22 12:35 |
oiaohm | Gates moved himself out of management positions. | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | and latest | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | "At this time, we anticipate having a response/installment to you on or about 1/8/2020." | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | Hence my posting of this series slowly | Dec 22 12:35 |
oiaohm | as the it was coming clear that the laws would be enforced on these things. | Dec 22 12:35 |
linuxgirl | hmmm | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | We can hopefully publish a motherlode | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | with readactions | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | over 2000 pages! | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | But nothing happened | Dec 22 12:35 |
linuxgirl | yes, that would be good, and wake a lot of ppl up | Dec 22 12:35 |
schestowitz | just... 2000+ page police report ;-) | Dec 22 12:36 |
oiaohm | RMS should have changed his possition inside FSF a few year back. | Dec 22 12:36 |
linuxgirl | that's a heck of a lot of pages | Dec 22 12:36 |
schestowitz | yup | Dec 22 12:36 |
schestowitz | for cops | Dec 22 12:36 |
schestowitz | they're not novelists | Dec 22 12:36 |
schestowitz | they keep postposing and stonewalling | Dec 22 12:36 |
schestowitz | but we're persistent | Dec 22 12:36 |
linuxgirl | fsf should have kept their morals and values intact, including about who was allowed to join ... it was a new batch of members who were stirring it too, including YT channels (I dumped them instantly) | Dec 22 12:36 |
schestowitz | and at this stage walking away would itself become a scandal | Dec 22 12:37 |
schestowitz | so I hope they press on | Dec 22 12:37 |
linuxgirl | Yes, always keep them on their toes! | Dec 22 12:37 |
linuxgirl | Yes | Dec 22 12:37 |
schestowitz | it's good I dumped this in IRC | Dec 22 12:37 |
linuxgirl | good | Dec 22 12:37 |
schestowitz | in case something happens to me, even just some health reasons | Dec 22 12:37 |
schestowitz | if there's just one of us, it's easy to undermine progress | Dec 22 12:37 |
linuxgirl | don't worry about that ... that won't happen | Dec 22 12:37 |
schestowitz | SPPD, reference number is P047691-091319 | Dec 22 12:38 |
schestowitz | City of Seattle Public Records Request Center | Dec 22 12:38 |
schestowitz | Don't let Gates and his dad off the hook | Dec 22 12:38 |
linuxgirl | it would be so ridiculously obvious, so I'd try not to worry | Dec 22 12:38 |
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oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement It was basically 2017 when the writing on the wall appeared that presure would be put on that labour laws/work place health and saftey laws over sexual crimes stuff would start getting enforced. | Dec 22 12:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Me Too movement - Wikipedia | Dec 22 12:38 | |
schestowitz | make a copy, on paper if needed | Dec 22 12:38 |
schestowitz | https://patriotssoapbox.com/opinion/framed-spied-on-smeared-exposing-weinsteins-horrifying-secret-plan-to-bully-victims-into-silence/ | Dec 22 12:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patriotssoapbox.com | Framed, Spied On, & Smeared: Exposing Weinstein's Horrifying Secret Plan to Bully Victims into Silence - Patriots' Soapbox 24/7 News Network | Dec 22 12:38 | |
oiaohm | Lot of parties ignored the writing the Me too movement put on the wall and have been prosecuted since. | Dec 22 12:39 |
linuxgirl | give copies to everyone you know, and make sure they know that ... but I'd not worry; they'd want you to worry, and feel threatened, so don't let them bother you | Dec 22 12:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-weinstein-company-bankruptcy-20180319-story.html | Dec 22 12:39 |
schestowitz | Like Cambridge Analystica | Dec 22 12:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | Weinstein Co. has filed for bankruptcy and will pursue a sale - Los Angeles Times | Dec 22 12:39 | |
schestowitz | you shut down | Dec 22 12:39 |
schestowitz | and then it's hard to subpoena | Dec 22 12:39 |
schestowitz | See also: Emerdata (their stuff shifted to that) | Dec 22 12:40 |
linuxgirl | weinstein is putting on the act of his life, with that 'ill health' thing | Dec 22 12:40 |
linuxgirl | abusers always play the sympathy card | Dec 22 12:40 |
schestowitz | linuxgirl: don't contact the police about it unless we go silent | Dec 22 12:40 |
schestowitz | as we don't want too many people to give them 'cold feet' | Dec 22 12:40 |
linuxgirl | women asserting about him; good, as long as they don't go sjw | Dec 22 12:40 |
schestowitz | one person is enough | Dec 22 12:40 |
linuxgirl | that's quite a serious message; noted :-) | Dec 22 12:40 |
schestowitz | this channel is logged and may be spied on by manual operators, either in real time or the site (can't keep track of all nicks in this channel, but we publish regardless, so no 'competitive advantage' to active watching in RT) | Dec 22 12:41 |
linuxgirl | okay | Dec 22 12:41 |
schestowitz | you know what I said about my boss | Dec 22 12:41 |
oiaohm | Yep all Cambridge Analystica collected data is now at Emerdata because they were allowed to go defunct without a order to destory what they had collected. | Dec 22 12:41 |
linuxgirl | didn't realise IRC could be seen, eek | Dec 22 12:41 |
schestowitz | that too should be kept in mind, though it might be just an awkward coincidence... the NDA adds to the suspicion | Dec 22 12:42 |
linuxgirl | yes, it does | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | I mean | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | say you're a charity | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | and someone help you | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | why NDA? | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | i mean, WTF? | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | Are you a spy agency? | Dec 22 12:42 |
linuxgirl | yes, does seem extreme | Dec 22 12:42 |
schestowitz | and we're not supposed to even NAME them? | Dec 22 12:43 |
linuxgirl | that's definitely dodgy | Dec 22 12:43 |
linuxgirl | if it was some above board thing, why'd they worry about being named? | Dec 22 12:43 |
schestowitz | As if, in case it comes to court (mind you, Gates Sr. is of highest legal clout in the US), they can say, "CAN'T TALK! NDA! Case dismissed!" | Dec 22 12:43 |
linuxgirl | hmmmm, not good | Dec 22 12:44 |
linuxgirl | I'd better pop off for now. If I'm not on before xmas, have a good one! :-) | Dec 22 12:45 |
schestowitz | cheers | Dec 22 12:46 |
schestowitz | keep the number handy | Dec 22 12:46 |
schestowitz | don't let go | Dec 22 12:46 |
schestowitz | we owe it to the piblic | Dec 22 12:46 |
linuxgirl | okay :-) no worries | Dec 22 12:46 |
schestowitz | it's worse than you think for reasons I will cover later | Dec 22 12:46 |
schestowitz | they gagged the media | Dec 22 12:46 |
schestowitz | but gagging police is risky | Dec 22 12:47 |
schestowitz | as that in itself can become a massive scandal | Dec 22 12:47 |
linuxgirl | always make sure to support what's genuinely ppl-respecting, so will always do what I can | Dec 22 12:47 |
schestowitz | we may oust another major culprit, but it won't be without toil | Dec 22 12:47 |
linuxgirl | yes, cops need to start speaking up more | Dec 22 12:47 |
schestowitz | they do | Dec 22 12:47 |
schestowitz | but not as cops ;-) | Dec 22 12:47 |
linuxgirl | yes, tends to be 'x-police officer' | Dec 22 12:48 |
schestowitz | my cohost in techbytes was a cop | Dec 22 12:48 |
linuxgirl | yes? | Dec 22 12:48 |
schestowitz | aye | Dec 22 12:48 |
linuxgirl | retired or left? | Dec 22 12:48 |
schestowitz | left | Dec 22 12:48 |
linuxgirl | hear that quite often | Dec 22 12:48 |
linuxgirl | good for them | Dec 22 12:48 |
linuxgirl | will have to bail for now, but will check in. all the best :-) | Dec 22 12:49 |
schestowitz | I gave a job recommendation | Dec 22 12:49 |
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schestowitz | he got the job | Dec 22 12:49 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination really USA law don't need a NDA can just refuse to answer. | Dec 22 12:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Self-incrimination - Wikipedia | Dec 22 12:49 | |
schestowitz | we're uk-based | Dec 22 12:50 |
schestowitz | and ianal | Dec 22 12:50 |
schestowitz | bill's dad is | Dec 22 12:50 |
oiaohm | Australian law legally can force you to answer as long not you who will be prosecuted. | Dec 22 12:50 |
oiaohm | Uk law is about the same. | Dec 22 12:51 |
oiaohm | as USA law. | Dec 22 12:51 |
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schestowitz | based on similar constitutional 'templates', oiaohm | Dec 22 13:07 |
schestowitz | or shared 'heritage' | Dec 22 13:07 |
schestowitz | not just commitment, brotherhood, cross-pollination... | Dec 22 13:08 |
schestowitz | in 10 YEARS (almost, soon) in the company I NEVER heard of an NDA | Dec 22 13:10 |
schestowitz | until this... | Dec 22 13:10 |
schestowitz | the timing does raise some potential question/intrigue | Dec 22 13:10 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.ozy.com/true-and-stories/the-agreement-that-catapulted-microsoft-over-ibm/94437/ the first NDA I ever read about what the one between IBM and Microsoft over the dos operating system. | Dec 22 13:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Agreement That Catapulted Microsoft Over IBM | OZY | Dec 22 13:21 | |
oiaohm | NDA between companies are used a hell of a lot. | Dec 22 13:23 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: I know | Dec 22 13:29 |
schestowitz | but this one I was notified about | Dec 22 13:29 |
schestowitz | only me | Dec 22 13:29 |
schestowitz | it was targeted at me only | Dec 22 13:29 |
schestowitz | not my colleagues | Dec 22 13:29 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19090737 | Dec 22 15:01 |
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schestowitz | nice one | Dec 22 15:04 |
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132028 [https://pleroma.site/objects/caf14e1b-c62d-49d4-9840-df231cbd55c1] | Dec 22 15:35 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 22/12/2019: Linux Random Number Generation, KTimeTracker 5.0.1 http://techrights.org/2019/12/22/ktimetracker-5-0-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ffc6ccd-170a-42f8-aa89-d578d8f7fa5a] | Dec 22 15:49 | |
MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19090646 | Dec 22 16:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 22 16:29 | |
MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/p1aYgYi | Dec 22 16:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dump of my princess Routa - Album on Imgur | Dec 22 16:39 | |
MinceR | https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1208469511051075585 | Dec 22 16:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: The subtitles are very slightly more readable in this version of the video (via reddit). https://t.co/3YbR57DIiG | Dec 22 16:45 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: The subtitles are very slightly more readable in this version of the video (via reddit). https://t.co/3YbR57DIiG | Dec 22 16:45 | |
schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKtpCo8fPE | Dec 22 16:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1984 (8/11) Movie CLIP - Winston is Tested (1984) HD - YouTube | Dec 22 16:51 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LinuxConsole 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132029 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec49e4e7-5920-4d72-8cd1-9fb6d5fc1289] | Dec 22 17:06 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: USB4 Support Being Introduced With Linux 5.6 Kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132030 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7cf60ce4-6164-4b63-9ad2-0bcf9ed64140] | Dec 22 17:08 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132031 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9ddfa394-e79f-448b-b276-c3ac901587f0] | Dec 22 17:15 | |
schestowitz | > i know shes pro-stallman, i assume you know whats going on with leah rowes financial situation. | Dec 22 17:45 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 17:45 |
schestowitz | > if not, update is here: https://minifree.org/ | Dec 22 17:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://minifree.org/ ) | Dec 22 17:45 | |
schestowitz | > | Dec 22 17:45 |
schestowitz | > seems newsworthy especially when shes looking for gestures of good will. cheers. | Dec 22 17:45 |
schestowitz | She's pro-RMS only in the context of the defamation campaign but had called for a boycott of GNU (later retracted and apologised). | Dec 22 17:45 |
schestowitz | I'm open to changes in opinions. But would be cautious given that flip-flopping. Unpredictable personality. | Dec 22 17:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | > as USA law. | Dec 22 18:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | Get it in writing that you won't be prosecuted for anything you discuss. | Dec 22 18:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | You could also pull the I don't recall trick. | Dec 22 18:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Hillary Clinton them. | Dec 22 18:26 |
MinceR | cheat on the primaries to help the opposing party's candidate win? | Dec 22 18:30 |
schestowitz | we ought to contact the recycler... contact lundgren | Dec 22 18:45 |
schestowitz | I lost him email address | Dec 22 18:46 |
schestowitz | and his friend is no longer around | Dec 22 18:46 |
MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19090534 | Dec 22 19:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 22 19:18 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Distribution of 2019 Goes to Ubuntu MATE 19.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132032 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ba6c2c09-f16f-4040-9ddc-ac8a01d2b52e] | Dec 22 19:26 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 5.4.6, 4.19.91, 4.14.160, 4.9.207 and 4.4.207 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132033 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a01ff932-8ad5-433d-9aa7-fbf67016c1fc] | Dec 22 19:26 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132034 [https://pleroma.site/objects/762f84ff-1f28-43cf-a5ec-adf23fc41929] | Dec 22 19:30 | |
DaemonFC[m] | I might just revert to Linux 5.3.10 until RC6 is working again. | Dec 22 19:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | Fucking Intel.... | Dec 22 19:33 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Xfce distro of 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132035 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac2975bc-4b0c-448b-96da-045e1ce0222b] | Dec 22 19:44 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Linux is going downhill. | Dec 22 19:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Without RC6, you will never get good battery life because the CPU package can't power down even into PC2 (and there are 8 package sstates on this thing). | Dec 22 19:46 |
schestowitz | linux the kerne;? | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | and if so, which branch? | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | it has gotten more solid over time | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | systemd and other stuff is another matter | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | and can be avoided with certain distros | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | same for gnome3 | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | > Yes, please. Git seems to be the way to go. There is at least one | Dec 22 19:48 |
schestowitz | > additional program which can read Git archives. | Dec 22 19:48 |
schestowitz | On HV? | Dec 22 19:48 |
schestowitz | oops | Dec 22 19:48 |
schestowitz | wrong windows | Dec 22 19:48 |
schestowitz | kaniini: do you have experience setting up gitlab on apline? | Dec 22 19:49 |
schestowitz | I search for info, that just leads me to containers https://docs.gitlab.com/omnibus/docker/ | Dec 22 19:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.gitlab.com | GitLab Docker images | GitLab | Dec 22 19:50 | |
schestowitz | we have some site-related code we wish to host locally | Dec 22 19:50 |
schestowitz | "Caution: We do not officially support running on Docker for Windows. There are known issues with volume permissions, and potentially other unknown issues. If you are trying to run on Docker for Windows, please see our getting help page for links to community resources (IRC, forum, etc) to seek help from other users." | Dec 22 19:50 |
schestowitz | Oh, DARN | Dec 22 19:50 |
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schestowitz | kaniini: https://git.pleroma.social/kaniini looks great and very tidy | Dec 22 19:52 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.pleroma.social | kaniini · GitLab | Dec 22 19:52 | |
MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/iCJfUWP.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/ed7e8Rm ) | Dec 22 20:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gently...gently - Album on Imgur | Dec 22 20:01 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Linux is getting very shitty indeed. | Dec 22 20:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | Here's what I said on Facebook. | Dec 22 20:14 |
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mQbFsCrSnqKNLttyFxboLWsH > | Dec 22 20:14 | |
DaemonFC[m] | To put this into perspective, what's going on with Intel lately would be like a car company putting out a car that gets 50 miles a gallon and a top speed of 200 miles an hour, and then when you buy it, they issue a software update that makes it get 10 miles a gallon and top out at 50, and then say no take backsies. | Dec 22 20:16 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: I suspect they use https://github.com/alpinelinux/alpine-docker-gitlab | Dec 22 20:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - alpinelinux/alpine-docker-gitlab: Gitlab docker image based on Alpine Linux | Dec 22 20:28 | |
XRevan86 | As Alpine has https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/ , but there's no package in the repository. | Dec 22 20:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.alpinelinux.org | alpine · GitLab | Dec 22 20:29 | |
schestowitz | I am tweaking iRC logs CSS | Dec 22 20:29 |
schestowitz | feedback welcome | Dec 22 20:30 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-211219.html#tDec%2021%2022:53:57 | Dec 22 20:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 21, 2019 | Dec 22 20:30 | |
schestowitz | force flush the CSS cache if needed | Dec 22 20:30 |
schestowitz | I am still able to edit | Dec 22 20:30 |
schestowitz | This impacts like thousands of files... IRC logs.. in one fell swoop | Dec 22 20:30 |
XRevan86 | What is in the repository are gogs (as seen on https://notabug.org/ ) and gitea (as seen on https://codeberg.org/ ). | Dec 22 20:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NotABug.org: Free code hosting | Dec 22 20:36 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Codeberg.org | Dec 22 20:36 | |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Too many gradients | Dec 22 20:44 |
schestowitz | does it make things illegible? | Dec 22 20:44 |
schestowitz | are the fonts OK? | Dec 22 20:45 |
schestowitz | larger, different family, etc? | Dec 22 20:45 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Gradients here just make the log unpleasant to look at. | Dec 22 20:46 |
XRevan86 | The fonts seem fine. | Dec 22 20:46 |
XRevan86 | Timestamps are hardish to read. | Dec 22 20:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GCC-LLVM-Clang-Icelake-Tests | Dec 22 20:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LLVM Clang Achieves ~96% The Performance Of GCC On Intel Ice Lake - Phoronix | Dec 22 20:49 | |
DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of interesting that where GCC wins, it tends to win big and on things people are likely to notice. | Dec 22 20:49 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks, will tweak | Dec 22 20:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | Also interesting, the libvpx performance is in GCC's favor where Intel's SVT encoders favor Clang. | Dec 22 20:50 |
XRevan86 | > There are some cases where GCC 9's performance is winning by big margins compared to Clang, but the more liberal compiler also had its share of sizable wins too. | Dec 22 20:51 |
XRevan86 | The what compiler? | Dec 22 20:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's a compiler that wants high taxes and free abortion. | Dec 22 20:51 |
XRevan86 | Doesn't sound like Apple | Dec 22 20:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Not high taxes on themselves! | Dec 22 20:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | In true liberal fashion. | Dec 22 20:52 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: And free abortion only for themselves / their wives? | Dec 22 20:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | They locate in California, get themselves exempt from business taxation, and then force their engineers to live in $3,500 /month garages and use a compose bucket for a toilet. (Apple) | Dec 22 20:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: And free abortion only for themselves / their wives? | Dec 22 20:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | No, no, no. For the blacks, stupid! | Dec 22 20:53 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Sounds like a nice deal. | Dec 22 20:53 |
XRevan86 | If one is not ready to have a child | Dec 22 20:54 |
DaemonFC[m] | California is an easy state to do business in because taxes are for the little people. | Dec 22 20:54 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Sounds almost libertarian | Dec 22 20:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | The Libertarian platform tends to include the FairTax, which would charge the same rate on all income no exemptions, so it would result in a substantial tax increase on the rich. | Dec 22 20:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | It would also not give people tax breaks for fucking and filling up the world, so it's environmentally friendly too. | Dec 22 20:57 |
*XRevan86 went to read on | Dec 22 20:57 | |
XRevan86 | > As defined in the proposed legislation, the tax rate is 23% for the first year. | Dec 22 20:58 |
XRevan86 | 23%!? That doesn't sound like something a real libertarian would dig | Dec 22 20:58 |
XRevan86 | Unless now it's higher | Dec 22 20:58 |
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XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_the_FairTax_burden#Progressive_/_regressive_debate huh | Dec 22 21:02 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Distribution of the FairTax burden - Wikipedia | Dec 22 21:02 | |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: This is way above my head. | Dec 22 21:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | Errr, I'm tired. | Dec 22 21:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | The flat tax is what I meant to say. | Dec 22 21:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | A flat tax of 10.5% is one figure I heard | Dec 22 21:04 |
XRevan86 | > The FairTax proposal is regressive on income (using a cross-section time frame) and progressive on sales. Classical economic analysis indicates that the marginal propensity to consume (MPC) decreases as income increases. Households at the lower end of the income scale spend almost all their income, while households at the higher end are more likely to devote a portion of income to saving. | Dec 22 21:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's not really that much different than what a single person no kids working at Walmart pays now. | Dec 22 21:05 |
DaemonFC[m] | But some rich people deduct their way down to jsut a few percent under our current system by gaming it. | Dec 22 21:05 |
DaemonFC[m] | I think a flat tax would be much more fair. It's not fair that a guy with no kids working at McDonalds has to pay more taxes because someone who couldn't afford kids gets $1 million per child in tax cuts and welfare over 18 years. | Dec 22 21:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Welfare is anything from free school lunches, to housing vouchers, to "free" high speed internet at home, food stamps, medicaid, public school, etc. | Dec 22 21:06 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, that's easier. Flat taxation is bureaucratically simpler, but favours the rich as the richer one gets the less important a certain constant percentage gets. | Dec 22 21:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | "Free public school" is a pot that anyone with kids can dip into so it's very popular welfare. | Dec 22 21:07 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Flat taxation != tax cuts for certain groups | Dec 22 21:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | At 10.5%, a person who makes a million dollars pays $105,000 in taxes. | Dec 22 21:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | While a person who makes $25,000 pays $2625. | Dec 22 21:08 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Free public schools is an extremely important part of social justice, to ensure that everyone has a chance at education. | Dec 22 21:08 |
DaemonFC[m] | If you want to add a bit of progressivity so that people don't scream, you could say "Everyone gets a $1,000 rebate each year that goes up with inflation.". | Dec 22 21:09 |
XRevan86 | unless there's some other instrument that ensures that even the most marginalised groups have a way to get education | Dec 22 21:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | Now the million dollar guy pays $104,000, and the $25,000 guy pays $1,625. | Dec 22 21:09 |
XRevan86 | (marginalised in a way of money) | Dec 22 21:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | The problem with public schools is they have to take everyone, so they end up dealing with violent fuck ups who are just taking up space and going to prison when they grow up. | Dec 22 21:10 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's not conducive to learning. | Dec 22 21:10 |
DaemonFC[m] | I think people who have had kids without planning on it should have to take birth control pills each month down at the welfare office. | Dec 22 21:11 |
DaemonFC[m] | Once is a mistake, twice is a habit. | Dec 22 21:11 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: better now? | Dec 22 21:12 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Um, education isn't just math drilling. | Dec 22 21:12 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-211219.html#tDec%2021%2022:53:57 | Dec 22 21:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 21, 2019 | Dec 22 21:12 | |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I can't tell the difference. | Dec 22 21:12 |
schestowitz | force css to flush | Dec 22 21:13 |
schestowitz | if it works as it should "DEC" should be small caps | Dec 22 21:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | Look, it's not cold to say "Hey, get a job and don't expect me to pay for your kids.". What we need to do is grow the economy and pass moral wage laws. | Dec 22 21:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | So that way there are actually opportunities for people. | Dec 22 21:14 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: It is. | Dec 22 21:14 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Without public schools the only opportunity some people are going to get is dish washing. | Dec 22 21:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | Health care is one thing where I think we need to look into nationalizing it. | Dec 22 21:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | That doesn't mean free ride for everyone. Single payer just means single payer. | Dec 22 21:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | The insurance companies add no value and skim money for themselves, and they need to go away. | Dec 22 21:15 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Something definitely has to be done. | Dec 22 21:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | They keep saying hey look, give us some more time and we'll "contain costs". | Dec 22 21:16 |
*psydroid has no plans to move from Intel to AMD, but rather to ARM, RISC-V and POWER | Dec 22 21:17 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, GCC is currently very broken on POWER and POWER is expensive. | Dec 22 21:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | RISC-V...Where do you even get it? | Dec 22 21:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | Most affordable ARM systems need custom kernels and binary blobs. | Dec 22 21:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | GCC can't build MAME and Firefox's JIT javascript is currrently not working on POWER when you build it with GCC. | Dec 22 21:18 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: To an outside observer it looks like the US has more expensive healthcare with insurance than almost anywhere else without insurance, rendering the whole US insurance system a big scam. | Dec 22 21:19 |
psydroid | I'm running mainline everything on my ARM SBC | Dec 22 21:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'm not even sure what other options are there for compiler on POWER. | Dec 22 21:19 |
psydroid | no blobs there | Dec 22 21:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | The Pinebook has blobs. | Dec 22 21:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's why it's running a "variant" of Debian 9. | Dec 22 21:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | By blob, I mean proprietary graphics drivers and stuff like that. | Dec 22 21:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | Not firmware, which most systems need. | Dec 22 21:20 |
psydroid | I'm running latest everything on my Orange Pi with Allwinner A64 | Dec 22 21:20 |
psydroid | even the graphics driver is just lima | Dec 22 21:20 |
psydroid | so what you are saying was true before, but now all support is upstream | Dec 22 21:21 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Can MAME be built anywhere except x86_64? | Dec 22 21:23 |
XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/mame so many options, including ppc64el %) | Dec 22 21:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Details of package mame in sid | Dec 22 21:24 | |
XRevan86 | Do I understand it right that "el" here is trolling? | Dec 22 21:26 |
XRevan86 | endian-little | Dec 22 21:26 |
psydroid | yes | Dec 22 21:27 |
psydroid | be - el | Dec 22 21:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | psydroid: So, I need a cheap reliable laptop for my husband that doesn't suck. | Dec 22 21:28 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: At least it's not "en" | Dec 22 21:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | I don't care if it's x86 or not. Just needs to browse the web and run LibreOffice and stuff. | Dec 22 21:28 |
XRevan86 | short for elttil-naidne | Dec 22 21:28 |
XRevan86 | * "ne", short for naidne-elttil | Dec 22 21:28 |
psydroid | DaemonFC , that's fine and I agree that AMD is the obvious choice now for mainstream hardware and use cases | Dec 22 21:29 |
MinceR | elttil reminds me of this >> https://www.lfg.co/page/19/ | Dec 22 21:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lfg.co | Page 19 | Dec 22 21:30 | |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Not a phonetical reversal | Dec 22 21:31 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 22 21:31 |
XRevan86 | chtib lttil | Dec 22 21:32 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: try now | Dec 22 21:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | AMD at least provides an x86 platform that's cheaper and more reliable than Intel. | Dec 22 21:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | So that's not nothing. | Dec 22 21:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | Intel is nastier than ever lately. They are obviously putting bugs in their products so they can "fix" them later to disastrous results, and the implication is that your laptop is old and you need to buy another one. Because there's no other way to sell new hardware every few years. It's very crooked. | Dec 22 21:36 |
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psydroid | I don't want to participate in advancing a duopoly, that's why I've been venturing out to other architectures over the years. It started when I first got my hands on a Chinese Loongson desktop and later on I got other hardware as well. I still have my Intel laptops and I'll see what I'll get in the future, probably not Intel and only if necessary AMD. | Dec 22 21:42 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: What changed? | Dec 22 21:44 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I may use my Fedora COPR and just build new kernels where the default is to turn off all of the Intel workarounds, and enable RC6 again. | Dec 22 21:51 |
MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3Yd0rDaoI | Dec 22 22:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Have Yourself A Scary Little Solstice - YouTube | Dec 22 22:01 | |
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oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://pocketnow.com/pinebook-pro-review-a-200-laptop-thats-only-for-cool-people this does tick the reliable and cheap for light usage. But somethings do sux. There is for sure at least 1 design mistake like the inbuilt speaks suck and suck worse because the venting is pointing down instead of up. | Dec 22 22:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pocketnow.com | Pinebook Pro Review: A $200 laptop that's only for cool people. | Dec 22 22:23 | |
MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19090462 | Dec 22 22:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 22 22:34 | |
DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: https://pocketnow.com/pinebook-pro-review-a-200-laptop-thats-only-for-cool-people this does tick the reliable and cheap for light usage. But somethings do sux. There is for sure at least 1 design mistake like the inbuilt speaks suck and suck worse because the venting is pointing down instead of up. | Dec 22 22:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | Most name brand laptop do the speakers are underpowered and pointing down problem. | Dec 22 22:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | My Yoga 900 ISK2 does that. | Dec 22 22:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | And it was $1300. | Dec 22 22:36 |
XRevan86 | kaniini: Hi, I've been remembering some stuff, and do I recall it right that Mastodon used to send private notices through OStatus and to everyone subscribed? | Dec 22 22:36 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: other problem is lack of a good heat spreader under the cpu. so straight on desk or lap not exactly fun. | Dec 22 22:40 |
oiaohm | Ie the case is the direct cpu heatsink/spreader. | Dec 22 22:40 |
oiaohm | So you can really find out where the cpu is without opening it. | Dec 22 22:41 |
kaniini | XRevan86: yes, via salmons | Dec 22 22:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, Lenovo tried throttling the CPU while it was on your lap. Works in Windows. | Dec 22 22:42 |
oiaohm | Heat pipes fans other other spreading tech costs money, | Dec 22 22:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | When you put Linux on those systems, it just sticks it in low speed mode all the time. | Dec 22 22:42 |
MinceR | crApple just tells you not to use your laptop in your lap | Dec 22 22:42 |
MinceR | (while ads still show people using it in their lap) | Dec 22 22:42 |
oiaohm | MinceR: some models they go the step more into stupid by having a fake fan. | Dec 22 22:43 |
oiaohm | with apple. | Dec 22 22:43 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: some of those lenovo ones when you check the cpu temp and compare against recommend intel temps Linux mode that is crippled to hell is running at correct temp and Windows mode the driver has told it to exceeed intel recommend temp for the cpu. | Dec 22 22:45 |
oiaohm | That one of those cases why does the windows machine before better than Linux. Bugger me. | Dec 22 22:45 |
MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Dec 22 22:46 |
MinceR | sounds like consumer crap lenovos though | Dec 22 22:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | With Intel, who knows what this means? | Dec 22 22:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Perhaps Intel recommended not to exceed a temp that they set too low on purpose. | Dec 22 22:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | That way when they don't exceed that temp on Linux, they Totally Aren't Sabotaging Linux. | Dec 22 22:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | Then again, from Lenovo's perspective, making their Windows laptop faster has two main results. | Dec 22 22:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | It gets it into your home....where it dies of heat just after the warranty ended and now you need a new laptop. | Dec 22 22:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So it really is who do you think is a bigger bucket of scum. Lenovo or Intel? | Dec 22 22:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | Hard to guess. | Dec 22 22:48 |
MinceR | yeah | Dec 22 22:48 |
MinceR | i'd say intel | Dec 22 22:48 |
MinceR | lenovo did that yoga with the ssd lying about what it was | Dec 22 22:49 |
MinceR | intel did uefi, boot guard, me... | Dec 22 22:49 |
MinceR | oh, and officially winblows-only cpus | Dec 22 22:49 |
MinceR | and those ultra-shitty atoms with 32bit uefi | Dec 22 22:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | They probably exceed the specified temperature on Windows because it's what it takes to overcome the fact that Windows is 20% slower than Linux, all things being equal. | Dec 22 22:49 |
MinceR | and the winblows user will just throw it out and buy a new one when the cpu turns into smoke? | Dec 22 22:50 |
oiaohm | With intel they don't set the temp too low they., If you get a silicon from tsmc made at equivalent nm you get the same recommend max temp. | Dec 22 22:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | Oh, Windows is 20% slower? Well, we just overclock the processor 20% and.....no problem. | Dec 22 22:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | > and the winblows user will just throw it out and buy a new one when the cpu turns into smoke? | Dec 22 22:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | That is pretty much what happens. Yeah. | Dec 22 22:51 |
oiaohm | Basically there are physical things about silicon chips that define what temp you should run at if you want decent life. | Dec 22 22:51 |
MinceR | yeah, but tsmc isn't the one struggling to downscale their process :> | Dec 22 22:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | No, AMD beat Intel to 14 nm iirc. | Dec 22 22:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Like, by a lot. | Dec 22 22:51 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: amd is using tsmc for 7nm. | Dec 22 22:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Now Intel keeps saying they wanted 7 nm, and cant make it work 3 years late, and so they'll go to 10. | Dec 22 22:52 |
oiaohm | Amd could not go down to 7nm with everything 7nm | Dec 22 22:52 |
oiaohm | That why you have a 14nm io dia in the new chips. | Dec 22 22:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's getting to the point where they are struggling to make better laptops so they just downgrade the one you have with "security patches" or kill it entirely so you have to buy a new one. | Dec 22 22:52 |
oiaohm | oPPS sorry its 12nm | Dec 22 22:53 |
MinceR | the new one will be just as slow with the patches, though | Dec 22 22:53 |
oiaohm | There is a problem here. | Dec 22 22:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | Those ultra high end 32 core desktops can be slowed down 30% and you won't notice, but a laptop with 2 cores...you'll notice. | Dec 22 22:53 |
oiaohm | There is still 120nm made for power circuits. | Dec 22 22:53 |
oiaohm | in silicon. | Dec 22 22:53 |
oiaohm | smaller nm you got to the less volatage you can push around simply. | Dec 22 22:54 |
oiaohm | Some how I think 7nm might not be able to handle enough volatage to dependably push across motherboard tracks. | Dec 22 22:54 |
oiaohm | voltage/amperage | Dec 22 22:55 |
oiaohm | Intel has been attempting to single chip there 10nm and 7nm chip efforts. They have talked about going multi chip like amd recently. | Dec 22 22:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, there's a part in the movie Mrs. Doubtfire that wakes up my phone as if I said OK Google in my voice. | Dec 22 23:00 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 22 23:00 |
oiaohm | Its been documented that that ok Google wakes up on a lot of things that is not Ok Google. | Dec 22 23:01 |
XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You have too much Google in your life | Dec 22 23:03 |
oiaohm | https://www.reddit.com/r/googlehome/comments/7xeks9/do_you_guys_get_a_lot_of_false_activations/ << you hear of this for a while now. | Dec 22 23:04 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Do you guys get a lot of false activations? : googlehome | Dec 22 23:04 | |
oiaohm | and you see instructions from google like reset device or replace device | Dec 22 23:04 |
oiaohm | Does make me wonder if some devices are shipped out in mode to spy every so often even if no ok google is said. | Dec 22 23:05 |
XRevan86 | oiaohm: Isn't listening for "ok, google" enough for that already? | Dec 22 23:16 |
XRevan86 | Responding to "ok, google" technically isn't a special case. | Dec 22 23:18 |
XRevan86 | Listen → parse → if got "ok, google", then activate interactivity → listen → parse | Dec 22 23:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | AT&T is actually much worse than Sprint. | Dec 22 23:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | At least Sprint really is $45 a month and admits the iPhone is $46 a month instead of AT&T giving you a "free" one and a $150 bill that came from nowhere apparently. | Dec 22 23:28 |
MinceR | the first parse probably happens on the device though | Dec 22 23:34 |
MinceR | while the second happens on google's servers (and the nsa gets a copy) | Dec 22 23:34 |
MinceR | unless of course they just record a realtime feed all the time to the nsa servers... | Dec 22 23:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | Listening for ok google is on the device. | Dec 22 23:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | But Google stores everything that you say to it after that, forever. | Dec 22 23:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | I can get on there and play back things I said 7 years ago. | Dec 22 23:40 |
MinceR | which is why i don't use this "feature" | Dec 22 23:52 |
MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pcWlyUu8U4 | Dec 22 23:53 |
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