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XRevan86 | Same meaning, same wording, so here it's definitely not arse | Apr 30 00:00 |
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MinceR | wiktionary says the "ass" form of "arse" is not an euphemism | Apr 30 00:00 |
MinceR | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ass#English | Apr 30 00:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ass - Wiktionary | Apr 30 00:00 | |
XRevan86 | MinceR: They can shove that opinion up their arse | Apr 30 00:00 |
MinceR | s/an /a / | Apr 30 00:00 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 00:01 |
MinceR | they can also shove it into a donkey | Apr 30 00:01 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: ass's arse? | Apr 30 00:01 |
MinceR | it also says that it has a slang meaning of one's self, which might have to do with its use in "badass" | Apr 30 00:02 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: That it's a phonetic spelling doesn't make it not a euphemism. Something made this preferred. | Apr 30 00:02 |
MinceR | non-rhotic pronunciation made it preferred | Apr 30 00:02 |
MinceR | they didn't pronounce the 'r' so they didn't write it | Apr 30 00:02 |
kingoffrance | whats dark about it is nowadays it is a threat; back then apparently it was actually humane :) saying you will go the utmost | Apr 30 00:03 |
MinceR | i fail to see "humane" as a good thing | Apr 30 00:03 |
schestowitz | [22:54] <XRevan86> cubexyz: But one thing is quite dated: he calls himself a negro. | Apr 30 00:03 |
schestowitz | many black people still do, with different spelling | Apr 30 00:03 |
MinceR | also, if it was a line you weren't supposed to cross, then it would have been more acceptable to _not_ beat the crap out of someone | Apr 30 00:03 |
kingoffrance | "humane" in sense of "threatening with maximum legally allowed" | Apr 30 00:03 |
schestowitz | and it doesn't need to be seen as an insult, though it became one because of who was using it and the context | Apr 30 00:03 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: There are many other words that feature an "r" without a leading vowel. | Apr 30 00:04 |
MinceR | still, that would be threatening with _more_ than the legal maximum | Apr 30 00:04 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: The n-word is still around, but "negro"? | Apr 30 00:04 |
MinceR | "negro" is still around as well | Apr 30 00:04 |
XRevan86 | The n-word is occasionally spelt non-rhotically, but the main spelling is still here. | Apr 30 00:06 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: it just means dark/black | Apr 30 00:06 |
schestowitz | rianne grew up in an island called Negros | Apr 30 00:06 |
schestowitz | and there's nothing wrong with calling it what it is | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | there are wines called that too | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | it can refer to a lot of things | Apr 30 00:07 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I know, it still got superseded by "black person", has it not | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | that can change over time | Apr 30 00:07 |
XRevan86 | That is true. | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | maybe one day "gay" will mean African origin | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | and negro will mean homosexual | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | although it is not likely | Apr 30 00:07 |
schestowitz | because the words and the connotations are too far apart | Apr 30 00:08 |
MinceR | GNAA? | Apr 30 00:08 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Now that's not very likely, that got mainstream enough. | Apr 30 00:08 |
schestowitz | MinceR: don't get started....... | Apr 30 00:08 |
MinceR | :) | Apr 30 00:08 |
schestowitz | remember when atheists wanted the word "bright"? | Apr 30 00:08 |
MinceR | yes | Apr 30 00:08 |
MinceR | what happened to it? | Apr 30 00:08 |
schestowitz | well, now when I heard this word I think pedophile | Apr 30 00:08 |
schestowitz | because of Microsoft Peter | Apr 30 00:08 |
MinceR | that's only because of that one microsloth shill | Apr 30 00:09 |
schestowitz | yup | Apr 30 00:09 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Never heard of that | Apr 30 00:09 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: So English has a very conservative spelling system, yet this one word is a very special exception that despite prevalence got from being less ambiguous to being more ambiguous | Apr 30 00:10 |
MinceR | it would have, if people commonly used "ass" to mean "donkey" nearly as much as they used "donkey" | Apr 30 00:11 |
MinceR | but they don't | Apr 30 00:11 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Something tells me that's connected, like a human centipede, through the arse %). | Apr 30 00:12 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Virginia Tech's "Popcorn Linux" For Distributed Thread Execution Seeking Feedback, Possible Upstreaming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137002 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f821931d-16c7-49f6-a781-5c5580b48d04] | Apr 30 00:12 | |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 00:12 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: One interesting property of euphemisms is that they kill the original word. | Apr 30 00:13 |
MinceR | do they? | Apr 30 00:13 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: You've given examples yourself, of the church folk being unaware of sexual innuendo | Apr 30 00:14 |
MinceR | but we are aware of it | Apr 30 00:15 |
schestowitz | Larabel doing Microsoft spam again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Shader-Conductor-0.3 | Apr 30 00:15 |
MinceR | and sane people in general are | Apr 30 00:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Releases Shader Conductor 0.3 For Its Shader Cross-Compiler - Phoronix | Apr 30 00:15 | |
schestowitz | no reason to post this imho | Apr 30 00:15 |
MinceR | though we are in the minority | Apr 30 00:15 |
MinceR | moronix being against free software again? well, i never! | Apr 30 00:15 |
schestowitz | I was going to say moronix | Apr 30 00:15 |
schestowitz | but did not | Apr 30 00:15 |
schestowitz | as that would devalue much of the good the site does | Apr 30 00:16 |
XRevan86 | MinceR, schestowitz didn't appreciate "nature's calling" despite that being unambiguous in the context %). | Apr 30 00:16 |
MinceR | the site itself devalues it | Apr 30 00:16 |
schestowitz | :-) | Apr 30 00:16 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: funny story about that one | Apr 30 00:16 |
schestowitz | there was once a romanian blogger | Apr 30 00:16 |
schestowitz | beranger | Apr 30 00:16 |
schestowitz | he vanished ages ago, was active 2007 or so | Apr 30 00:16 |
schestowitz | then on twitter, then vanished | Apr 30 00:17 |
schestowitz | used to blog in english, french more... | Apr 30 00:17 |
schestowitz | and there was a misunderstanding in his blog about "nature calls" | Apr 30 00:17 |
schestowitz | but prior to that I already knew the connotation | Apr 30 00:17 |
schestowitz | I think there's a benign one | Apr 30 00:17 |
schestowitz | but it got mixed with the whole, "I need to pee" | Apr 30 00:17 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Was he cancelled for that like Stallman? | Apr 30 00:18 |
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*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QkLDUgJJyFkLMVKneDgbnvlQ > | Apr 30 00:22 | |
DaemonFC[m] | --- | Apr 30 00:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | Oops. | Apr 30 00:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | That was for WGN Chicago about the landlords saying they'd be "flexible". | Apr 30 00:22 |
XRevan86 | I'm still very annoyed by what happened to RMS, because of how it blew up out of a misread sentence. He didn't even mess up the wording, just didn't "make it absolutely clear" as dictors say. | Apr 30 00:22 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review - # Fedora 32http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137001#comment-24836 #ibm [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e4d5c8f-15e2-4c1b-bbb7-6fb98f6ee9a7] | Apr 30 00:23 | |
MinceR | and it will keep happening as long as we let crybullies have power over our community | Apr 30 00:24 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: no | Apr 30 00:24 |
schestowitz | he had blog issues | Apr 30 00:24 |
schestowitz | depression | Apr 30 00:24 |
schestowitz | also did not succeed much on social media | Apr 30 00:24 |
MinceR | or corporations, which are known to use crybullies to target the free software community. | Apr 30 00:24 |
XRevan86 | So easy to re-read, so easy to verify | Apr 30 00:25 |
schestowitz | so the site went away, he ebbed away too, later I saw him using another name/identity, then nothing.... but he was a VERY clever person and a loss not to have online... though he often blaster gnu/linux because he found some things about it frustrating | Apr 30 00:25 |
MinceR | yet he did not say anything negative about cancerd | Apr 30 00:26 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I have a piece about RMS coming soon | Apr 30 00:26 |
MinceR | maybe they blackmailed him like Linus | Apr 30 00:26 |
schestowitz | you can see my message to Conservancy | Apr 30 00:26 |
schestowitz | " | Apr 30 00:26 |
schestowitz | Hi @conservancy / @mastodon.technology/@conservancy | Apr 30 00:26 |
schestowitz | I am doing a story about Copyleft Conf and wish to politely ask you for reasons -- chance to respond/comment -- why you deemed Microsoft a proper top sponsor (Platinum Sponsors) for such an event | Apr 30 00:26 |
schestowitz | " | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | ' | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | anti-GPL company | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | Platinum Sponsors: #microsoft | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | That's Software Freedom Conservancy, which pushed Richard Stallman out of @FSF | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | also Salesforce, whose staff did the same | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | not for the first time (we mentioned this before, after the first such event) | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | " | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | " | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | to keep money coming next year as well they might as well be careful what they publicly say about Microsoft and about its record | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | less than "slush funds" to Microsoft | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | in politics this is how the most classic and likely most common form of bribery works | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | " | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | my notes for this article | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | I want to hear their excuse before typing it up | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | they probably won't respond | Apr 30 00:27 |
schestowitz | then I'll say, we reached out for comment, they refuse to even explain\ | Apr 30 00:28 |
MinceR | maybe they're like the Linux-Destroying Foundation | Apr 30 00:28 |
XRevan86 | Microsoft is not openly anti-GPL as say Apple, so you'll have to elaborate on that. | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | MinceR: maybe trying to | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | on a lower budget | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: it is | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | apple isn't funding blackduck | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | snyk | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | whitesource | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | and all those anti-GPL liars | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | and the anti-GPL github-based 'studies' | Apr 30 00:28 |
schestowitz | those are all Microsoft | Apr 30 00:29 |
schestowitz | Apple just don't like GPL on its platforms | Apr 30 00:29 |
schestowitz | but it doesn't go out of its way to badmouth it at every turn | Apr 30 00:29 |
schestowitz | that's what Microsoft does | Apr 30 00:29 |
MinceR | crApple bans GPL-ed applications (made by others) from their platforms | Apr 30 00:29 |
schestowitz | also, afaik APple isn't a GPL violator | Apr 30 00:29 |
schestowitz | Microsoft got caught several times | Apr 30 00:29 |
MinceR | crApple is also screwing with people trying to run Xonotic on macOS | Apr 30 00:31 |
MinceR | of course this could simply be because they're laughably incompetent | Apr 30 00:32 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: "caught several times” That was the "old" Microsoft, "new" Microsoft is all about Extending its hands to Embrace in a hug. | Apr 30 00:32 |
schestowitz | Would SFC turn down Apple money? | Apr 30 00:32 |
schestowitz | Did it? | Apr 30 00:32 |
schestowitz | I think it misses the point | Apr 30 00:32 |
MinceR | riiiiiiight, the "new" microsoft | Apr 30 00:33 |
schestowitz | as you could change the question to name like 12 companies | Apr 30 00:33 |
schestowitz | and that would not simplify things | Apr 30 00:33 |
MinceR | have they stopped blackmailing android device vendors into including microshit malware on their devices? | Apr 30 00:33 |
schestowitz | new Microsoft is the novel of coronavirus | Apr 30 00:33 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: They just forgot since the old days, or didn't get to it, or… *runs away with a jetpack* | Apr 30 00:34 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 00:34 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: As for "ass" as "self" that's clearly arse, as in "get your ass of the couch" it's pretty obvious what action is expected. | Apr 30 00:36 |
XRevan86 | * off | Apr 30 00:36 |
MinceR | "self" or "person" | Apr 30 00:36 |
MinceR | well, whatever | Apr 30 00:37 |
MinceR | it's certainly more amusing to interpret it as "arse" in such sentences | Apr 30 00:37 |
MinceR | "get your ass in here" (but i don't particularly care where the rest of you ends up) | Apr 30 00:37 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: It's definitely arse here | Apr 30 00:37 |
MinceR | XRevan86: if you told someone to get their ass off the couch and they turned to lie on their stomach, would that satisfy you? :> | Apr 30 00:39 |
XRevan86 | I guess it's to show complete disregard to the person as a whole, to diminish just to the arse. | Apr 30 00:39 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: That's just adding padding %) | Apr 30 00:39 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: And really you could just go from the opposite, since there are just the two literal meanings. | Apr 30 00:42 |
XRevan86 | And donkeys make no sense here at all. | Apr 30 00:43 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Connect up to 32 Relays to Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136938#comment-24837 [https://pleroma.site/objects/089479c3-044d-40a1-80f3-9b74758220ae] | Apr 30 00:44 | |
schestowitz | count the buzzwords https://thenewstack.io/how-serverless-accelerates-devsecops/ | Apr 30 00:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | How Serverless Accelerates DevSecOps – The New Stack | Apr 30 00:49 | |
schestowitz | lol | Apr 30 00:49 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 00:49 |
XRevan86 | > DevSecOps | Apr 30 00:49 |
schestowitz | makes me hate "AYE TEE" | Apr 30 00:49 |
XRevan86 | It evolved. | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | I was watching some videos lately about kubernetes | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | it's ridiculous | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | the buzzwords they use | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | "App" | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | apparently everything running on a big server is now "app" | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | apache? app. | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | kvm? app. | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | lol | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | wtf !!! | Apr 30 00:50 |
schestowitz | that 'clown computing' 'thang | Apr 30 00:51 |
schestowitz | hipsters and diversity-oriented marketing "communications" staff | Apr 30 00:51 |
schestowitz | they're everywhere now | Apr 30 00:51 |
kingoffrance | i always thought for many places DevOps was redundant, because admins many times double as devs and db manager etc. anyways; so it kind of struck me as "people were complaining about things not in their job title, so we made a vague "everything" job title for everyone" | Apr 30 00:51 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: How many bash apps do you typically use? | Apr 30 00:51 |
schestowitz | and they change the language to make dumb folks look "smart" | Apr 30 00:51 |
schestowitz | or sound smart | Apr 30 00:52 |
kingoffrance | i.e. i never thought "devops" actually changed anything | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | kingoffrance: YES | Apr 30 00:52 |
kingoffrance | it always struck me as a "shove more stuff under one title" | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | I said the same many times | Apr 30 00:52 |
kingoffrance | lol | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | they want the admins to also write code for the same salary and vice versa | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | more training and education, same pay | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | wake up your programmer 1am | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | "server down buddy" | Apr 30 00:52 |
kingoffrance | well i was an "analyst" because devops didnt exist | Apr 30 00:52 |
schestowitz | "but I'm a programmer" | Apr 30 00:53 |
schestowitz | "NOOO!" | Apr 30 00:53 |
kingoffrance | but that is basically what it was "something breaks, go fix" | Apr 30 00:53 |
schestowitz | You're DEv... OOOOOOPS!" | Apr 30 00:53 |
schestowitz | "now GET UP"' | Apr 30 00:53 |
schestowitz | "dude, if I'ma devoos" | Apr 30 00:53 |
schestowitz | "then you're manager-janitor" | Apr 30 00:54 |
schestowitz | "now go dust off my desk, 'boss'...." | Apr 30 00:54 |
kingoffrance | yep | Apr 30 00:55 |
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kingoffrance | i suppose doing multiple roles doesnt bother me per se, except when i was in school the oracle db admins would go on and on about how they are a special role deserving of special pay, etc. | Apr 30 00:57 |
kingoffrance | so when i entered workforce and i got to be "db admin" with no experience was a little strange | Apr 30 00:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Possibly the reason Fedora 32 is so stable is that the Collapse-o-Virus pushed a lot of huge changes back to the Fedora 33 cycle. | Apr 30 00:58 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Hah, just like 1C | Apr 30 00:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | Just a guess. The Link Time Optimization Change got knocked back. | Apr 30 00:58 |
XRevan86 | 1C accounting is also a special profession | Apr 30 00:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | Probably results in a better F33 too, honestly. The FLTO flag was going to go in with GCC 10.0 all at once. | Apr 30 00:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | By the time F33 goes out, undoubtedly some GCC bugs related to LTO get fixed upstream. | Apr 30 00:59 |
MinceR | lol @ manager-janitor | Apr 30 00:59 |
kingoffrance | well i think even in the oracle people at the time thought ms db stuff was not usable for anything serious | Apr 30 01:02 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: MS DB? MS Access and MSSQL Server? | Apr 30 01:02 |
kingoffrance | i mean, for zero cost <free ms db lite> <mysql whatever> i think even the oracle people were much more open to non-ms stuff | Apr 30 01:03 |
kingoffrance | just because they thought ms db tech was not serious | Apr 30 01:03 |
kingoffrance | even the "highend" stuff | Apr 30 01:03 |
XRevan86 | What is ms db? | Apr 30 01:04 |
kingoffrance | this was years ago, probably access | Apr 30 01:04 |
kingoffrance | decades ago | Apr 30 01:04 |
kingoffrance | it was just strange to me, because there was no unix/bsd in those schools | Apr 30 01:04 |
kingoffrance | but there were still pockets of people who didnt like ms | Apr 30 01:04 |
kingoffrance | even if everything they taught was all ms | Apr 30 01:05 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: Well, if they used Oracle DB, why would the competing crap be appealling to them. | Apr 30 01:05 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: I've had some exposure (syntax) to Access this month. It's beyond idiotic. | Apr 30 01:06 |
cubexyz | there was lots of non-m$ stuff | Apr 30 01:06 |
cubexyz | sun, vax, ibm, etc | Apr 30 01:06 |
XRevan86 | [foo] Like("mask* symbol?") | Apr 30 01:06 |
XRevan86 | That is MS Access for "foo" LIKE 'mask% symbol_' | Apr 30 01:07 |
cubexyz | HP-UX has been around since 1984 | Apr 30 01:07 |
XRevan86 | And that piece of shit claims to be SQL. | Apr 30 01:08 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 01:08 |
MinceR | i loved how access happily put spaces and accented characters in table names and column names | Apr 30 01:09 |
MinceR | and then the forms it created choked on them | Apr 30 01:09 |
MinceR | and the only way to fix anything was to redo everything from start | Apr 30 01:09 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: They forgot the quotation marks ([ ])? | Apr 30 01:09 |
MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Apr 30 01:10 |
MinceR | it was ages ago | Apr 30 01:10 |
XRevan86 | (some call them square brackets, but in this case they're quotation marks) | Apr 30 01:11 |
MinceR | like how "commas" in microsuck CSV look like this: ; | Apr 30 01:12 |
MinceR | ? | Apr 30 01:12 |
MinceR | (possibly only if your locale uses decimal commas, i couldn't bear their crap long enough to figure it out) | Apr 30 01:12 |
kingoffrance | i guess the programming stuff was all ms, but some java; so the school stuff ran on java on solaris ...and they didnt think linux or bsd was ready...and their java stuff kept crashing....but at the same time, they werent about to run it on ms stuff :) so that is why it was funny to me | Apr 30 01:12 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 01:13 |
kingoffrance | they were watching linux with a cautious eye, but they couldnt even get their java stuff to work on expensive solaris boxes reliably | Apr 30 01:13 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: No, in a sense that for quotation marks in real SQL they use square brackets. | Apr 30 01:13 |
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XRevan86 | for escaping identifiers | Apr 30 01:14 |
cubexyz | Xerox Star had problems too | Apr 30 01:14 |
cubexyz | probably IBM mainframes were the most reliable | Apr 30 01:15 |
XRevan86 | At least there's some sense of adequacy in MariaDB using `` for that purpose. | Apr 30 01:17 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: What is a decimal comma though? 10,000 to mean 10 000? | Apr 30 01:19 |
XRevan86 | or 0,001 to mean 0.001? | Apr 30 01:19 |
cubexyz | who uses decimal point for 10,000? | Apr 30 01:20 |
cubexyz | ok, china, japan, malaysia, etc | Apr 30 01:23 |
MinceR | XRevan86: the latter | Apr 30 01:24 |
XRevan86 | Okay, now I know that a decimal point is very British/Imperial. | Apr 30 01:27 |
XRevan86 | Even here %). | Apr 30 01:27 |
XRevan86 | Oh well, doesn't really matter that one. | Apr 30 01:28 |
XRevan86 | "10,000,000" is annoying though. | Apr 30 01:29 |
cubexyz | XRevan86, how would Russians write 10,000,000? | Apr 30 01:29 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: 10 000 000, as ISO prescribes | Apr 30 01:30 |
cubexyz | ah I see | Apr 30 01:30 |
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ace | Hello, I'm using DBAN to wipe an HDD. I'm currently using the RCMP setting on there, which is 8 passes. Is that good enough to securely erase a hard drive? I saw an option on there called the Gutmann Wipe, which does 35 passes, but it seems overkill. | Apr 30 01:33 |
ace | Darik's Boot and Nuke | Apr 30 01:33 |
XRevan86 | Years pass and not a single person noted that I consistently only use ISO dates, it is that invisible to the eye. | Apr 30 01:34 |
XRevan86 | Could be because humans don't have good horizontal order perception. | Apr 30 01:35 |
XRevan86 | endianness | Apr 30 01:35 |
cubexyz | yes YYYY-MM-DD is more logical | Apr 30 01:35 |
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XRevan86 | cubexyz: I dared to straight up alter settings on a person's Windows, and that went unnoticed | Apr 30 01:37 |
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XRevan86 | The clock on the panel shows the current date. | Apr 30 01:37 |
cubexyz | XRevan86, has long as the month is written out alphabetically there's no ambiguity | Apr 30 01:37 |
kingoffrance | YYYY-MM-DD sorts easier IMO. i tend to prefix e.g. filenames that way for that reason ; a side from any logicalness, way more convenient IMO | Apr 30 01:38 |
kingoffrance | s/a side/aside/ | Apr 30 01:38 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: It was one way for years, then it's suddenly flipped, but that's not noticeable %) | Apr 30 01:38 |
XRevan86 | to that person | Apr 30 01:39 |
cubexyz | XRevan86, I'd much rather screenshots showed the 4 digit year, that way I know what era it is from | Apr 30 01:39 |
XRevan86 | It is noticeable to me however, because I care about what is better, and ISO dates are superior. | Apr 30 01:40 |
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cubexyz | ace, I doubt anyone outside of a spy agency could recover data even after one pass of DBAN, and even then it's dubious | Apr 30 01:41 |
XRevan86 | Another observation: one person timestamped deadlines with YYYY-MM-DD several times, and then in their last message they wrote it as DD-MM-YYYY. | Apr 30 01:41 |
cubexyz | oh well everyone is too impatient | Apr 30 01:41 |
XRevan86 | Seems like an unintentional screw-up, because there's no such legit format in existence. | Apr 30 01:42 |
MinceR | i thought there was, except for the dashes, maybe | Apr 30 01:43 |
XRevan86 | in that order with dashes. I saw that on dashcams (pun unintended) several times weirdly | Apr 30 01:43 |
kingoffrance | yeah, dd-mm-yyyy is "logical" (ascending) and would "sort" easy too, but big endian (descending) looks better IMO | Apr 30 01:44 |
XRevan86 | MinceR, kingoffrance: It's about the dashes. | Apr 30 01:44 |
MinceR | dd-mm-yyyy would sort easily if you also reversed the numbers | Apr 30 01:44 |
cubexyz | XRevan86, there's even middle-endian: month, day, year | Apr 30 01:44 |
cubexyz | some countries do use that | Apr 30 01:44 |
XRevan86 | kingoffrance: It's not as logical, because it fails to sort right as part of date time. | Apr 30 01:45 |
MinceR | so, today would be 03-40-0202 | Apr 30 01:45 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: Some countries: the United States of America | Apr 30 01:45 |
cubexyz | you're assuming people are rational :) | Apr 30 01:45 |
cubexyz | in Canada, yes we are supposed to use ISO 8601 for numeric dates | Apr 30 01:46 |
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XRevan86 | YYYY-MM-DD HH:mm:SS – that descends nicely all the way. | Apr 30 01:47 |
cubexyz | you could use julian dates, just count the days | Apr 30 01:48 |
cubexyz | so YYYY-JJJ | Apr 30 01:48 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: What does that change? | Apr 30 01:49 |
XRevan86 | Ascending dates still don't blend well with time no matter where you put it | Apr 30 01:49 |
cubexyz | XRevan86, I don't know, but astronomers use it | Apr 30 01:49 |
XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ah, that was just a fun fact :) | Apr 30 01:50 |
MinceR | you could use unix timestamps and just count the seconds | Apr 30 01:50 |
cubexyz | ah, I think for Earth using years is fine :) | Apr 30 01:50 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: "just count" – it's not that easy you know | Apr 30 01:50 |
cubexyz | now Mars might be a bit tricky :) | Apr 30 01:50 |
MinceR | sure, but having more than one numbers means you can have them in multiple orders | Apr 30 01:51 |
XRevan86 | Accounting for real world UTC is tricky. | Apr 30 01:51 |
MinceR | you could just use TAI | Apr 30 01:52 |
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oiaohm | Univeral space time system is going to be a complex mess. | Apr 30 02:55 |
scientes | oh god. I just did a survey in English, and all the damn funny non-metric units | Apr 30 03:10 |
scientes | oiaohm, | Apr 30 03:10 |
scientes | <oiaohm> Univeral space time system is going to be a complex mess. | Apr 30 03:10 |
scientes | not really, because time is not even astronomical anymore | Apr 30 03:10 |
scientes | <cubexyz> in Canada, yes we are supposed to use ISO 8601 for numeric dates | Apr 30 03:11 |
scientes | ^only correct answer | Apr 30 03:11 |
scientes | the americans are also crazy here, and don't think it is for a good reason | Apr 30 03:11 |
scientes | like they use "first name" and "last name" because they were not as sophisticated when big gov. came under WW2 as the brits | Apr 30 03:12 |
scientes | uggh, I hate it when people from US ask my weight or height | Apr 30 03:13 |
scientes | I just think to myself "switch to the fucking metric system!" | Apr 30 03:13 |
oiaohm | scientes: think clock sync between solar systems. | Apr 30 03:25 |
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scientes | oiaohm, let the aliens think about that one | Apr 30 03:28 |
oiaohm | Yes that is the other factor. | Apr 30 03:29 |
oiaohm | If their are aliens we can be sure they will have their own time system. | Apr 30 03:29 |
oiaohm | their/there | Apr 30 03:29 |
scientes | no, more like "not my problem" | Apr 30 03:29 |
scientes | those are the alien's problems | Apr 30 03:29 |
oiaohm | It would be really stupid if we end up with a interspace war over time. | Apr 30 03:30 |
oiaohm | With the history of humans having wars over stupid things it not off the cards. | Apr 30 03:31 |
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scientes | hehehehehehe | Apr 30 03:31 |
scientes | how many clocks fit on the head of a pin? | Apr 30 03:31 |
scientes | People use that as an example of dumb theological questions, but you have to realize that few could write. | Apr 30 03:32 |
scientes | so they were really expressing how their shame was an impediment to the vainity of they, the few, having some interest in this obscure art of writing | Apr 30 03:32 |
scientes | and then in the 18th century, we started this cargo cult of English spellings | Apr 30 03:33 |
scientes | and ever since have been trying to keep up the pretense of the Victorian golden age/Issac Newton industrial revolution | Apr 30 03:33 |
oiaohm | scientes: would have to be a fairly large pin to fit one if you mandate mechanical. https://www.catawiki.com/stories/4753-from-longines-to-gucci-5-of-the-smallest-watches-in-the-world | Apr 30 03:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-From Longines to Gucci: 5 of the Smallest Watches in the World - Catawiki | Apr 30 03:34 | |
scientes | now, we did get Jane Austen from that, so I can't completely discredit it, and I love the English languge | Apr 30 03:34 |
scientes | but we really should use unspell: http://unspell.blogspot.com/ | Apr 30 03:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unspell.blogspot.com | Project Unspell: Getting Started --- KEthN stArteT | Apr 30 03:34 | |
oiaohm | But there are large enough pins to put a Jaeger-LeCoultre Calibre 101 on. | Apr 30 03:34 |
scientes | I need to get off the IRC and put some cave time into working on that | Apr 30 03:34 |
scientes | there is even a nice phonetic English dictionary | Apr 30 03:37 |
scientes | let me see if I can find it again | Apr 30 03:37 |
oiaohm | scientes: so unspell return to English of Shakespeare time. Yes Kat and Cat are equal in that time frame. | Apr 30 03:38 |
scientes | Yeah, I have an algorithmic project that I was trying to work on, but my disinterest in women/Republic is making it hard to focus on, so something more linguisitic, like this phonetic translator might be easier | Apr 30 03:38 |
scientes | oiaohm, lots more than that | Apr 30 03:39 |
oiaohm | Shakespeare name on item is not spelt the same twice from that time frame. | Apr 30 03:39 |
oiaohm | Phonetically sounds the same but spelling all over the place. | Apr 30 03:40 |
oiaohm | Modern English did not start off with strict spelling rules. | Apr 30 03:41 |
oiaohm | scientes: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/about/practical-english-usage/phonetic-alphabet fun part technically the English alphabet is too small for English this is where the horrible spelling problem comes from. | Apr 30 03:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com | Phonetic alphabet from Practical English Usage | Apr 30 03:44 | |
scientes | <oiaohm> Modern English did not start off with strict spelling rules. | Apr 30 03:46 |
scientes | It started out as a side-business of printers during the Dutch golden age | Apr 30 03:46 |
scientes | when is Shakespeare's time | Apr 30 03:46 |
cubexyz | 1564 to 1616 | Apr 30 03:47 |
cubexyz | years active: 1585-1613 | Apr 30 03:47 |
scientes | the dutch golden age starts before then, but yes | Apr 30 03:47 |
scientes | (did not know those dates) | Apr 30 03:47 |
cubexyz | he didn't live that long actually | Apr 30 03:48 |
cubexyz | 52 years | Apr 30 03:48 |
scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution | Apr 30 03:48 |
oiaohm | dutch golden age is before modern english gets it rules. | Apr 30 03:48 |
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scientes | cubexyz, that's a lot longer than Jesus | Apr 30 03:48 |
scientes | and pretty good for the time, especially England (New England has much better life expectancies) | Apr 30 03:49 |
scientes | (while slave-land sound had low life expectancies) | Apr 30 03:49 |
scientes | as I tell people: that's a different culture | Apr 30 03:49 |
cubexyz | yes, little help for the sick, elderly or orphans during the Elizabethan era | Apr 30 03:50 |
scientes | yes orphans | Apr 30 03:51 |
oiaohm | old English a 29 char alphabet. Modern English started with 27 Yes the & was a spoken letter and used as a mid letter in words. | Apr 30 03:51 |
oiaohm | Yes we have 26 now. | Apr 30 03:51 |
scientes | which figures prominently in both Charles Dickens (Great Expectations) and Victor Hugo (Lès Miserables), a few centuries later | Apr 30 03:51 |
oiaohm | The alphabet has been shrinking. | Apr 30 03:51 |
scientes | oiaohm, except many sounds requires more than one character | Apr 30 03:51 |
scientes | and basically it is all fucked | Apr 30 03:52 |
scientes | like English has many more than 5 vowels | Apr 30 03:52 |
cubexyz | ampersand was a letter? wow, didn't know that | Apr 30 03:52 |
scientes | cubexyz, the name means and per and | Apr 30 03:52 |
scientes | cubexyz, it comes from nursey rhyes of memorizing the letters | Apr 30 03:52 |
oiaohm | If fun how we get to 29 to 27/26. Modern alphabet is 23 from old english 6 were replaced with 3. When alphabet was 27 6 was replace with 4. | Apr 30 03:54 |
scientes | at least the numbers are the same across the whole world | Apr 30 03:55 |
scientes | (occasionally you see the Arabic versions, but that is rare) | Apr 30 03:55 |
scientes | as those were used during Arab golden age | Apr 30 03:55 |
cubexyz | I knew about thorn and ash but not & | Apr 30 03:55 |
oiaohm | We had sound stacking at 29 alphabet | Apr 30 03:55 |
scientes | before the Europe was even using decimal system | Apr 30 03:55 |
cubexyz | what caused the drop from 29 letters to 26? | Apr 30 03:56 |
oiaohm | cubexyz: the printing press. | Apr 30 03:56 |
scientes | lazy Dutch | Apr 30 03:56 |
scientes | cubexyz, because Dutch doesn't have those letters | Apr 30 03:57 |
cubexyz | aha | Apr 30 03:57 |
oiaohm | cubexyz: think for moveable type in the first printing presses you need boxes and boxes of letters. | Apr 30 03:58 |
scientes | When I was in a museum in Tblisi they had hand-copied Greek bibles from long after New Spain (Bogota) had printed Latin bibles | Apr 30 03:58 |
oiaohm | So the more letters you had in a alphabet the more boxes you need | Apr 30 03:59 |
scientes | Amsterdam, and later England and Manchester were WAY ahead of the rest of the world | Apr 30 03:59 |
scientes | and I guess later Philidelphia and New York and San Francisco | Apr 30 03:59 |
oiaohm | Some ways its lucky we did not end up as langage as morse. | Apr 30 03:59 |
scientes | I was some Philidelphia wood-working steel equitment in Costa Rica | Apr 30 04:00 |
oiaohm | As that would have reduced the count of letters required way down. | Apr 30 04:00 |
scientes | and it a awe-inspiring thing to see | Apr 30 04:00 |
scientes | they also had German printing presses in Arequipa and Lima that were quite something to see | Apr 30 04:01 |
oiaohm | China held on to more letters because they started out different printing. Caved into wood printing. | Apr 30 04:01 |
oiaohm | yes where you would carve a complete page into a slab of wood. | Apr 30 04:01 |
oiaohm | Then print from that. | Apr 30 04:01 |
scientes | oiaohm, and later lithographs | Apr 30 04:01 |
scientes | like MC Escher | Apr 30 04:01 |
oiaohm | remember latter lithographs were having to match the production that the slab wood printing provided. | Apr 30 04:02 |
oiaohm | So they were not able to cut letters.\ | Apr 30 04:02 |
oiaohm | as simply. | Apr 30 04:02 |
scientes | and then it all got turned to microfilm, but no-body ever really cared about microilm | Apr 30 04:02 |
scientes | as it was always an ivory tower thing | Apr 30 04:03 |
scientes | and these days copyright prevents that stuff from going onto the internet | Apr 30 04:03 |
oiaohm | Basically printing tech is to blame for current alphabets in a lot of ways. | Apr 30 04:03 |
scientes | nah | Apr 30 04:03 |
scientes | its all the Dutch's fault | Apr 30 04:03 |
oiaohm | EU language yes. The insane number of letters in japan and china go back to the wood slab printing. | Apr 30 04:04 |
scientes | the IBM keyboard was very influencial in programming languages, to this day | Apr 30 04:04 |
scientes | oiaohm, they are not letters however | Apr 30 04:04 |
scientes | they are compositions of radicals | Apr 30 04:04 |
oiaohm | China is a mix of compositions of radicals and whole letters. | Apr 30 04:05 |
oiaohm | Japan is radicals. | Apr 30 04:05 |
scientes | bull | Apr 30 04:05 |
scientes | people that know Chinese say they can get by in Japan | Apr 30 04:06 |
scientes | and read the signs | Apr 30 04:06 |
oiaohm | yes that correct china uses a lot of the same radicals ie source in a lot of ways. | Apr 30 04:06 |
oiaohm | But they also have whole letter where you cannot use the make of the symbol to read them in Chinese as well. | Apr 30 04:06 |
oiaohm | Ie you have to know that X symbol is Y word. | Apr 30 04:07 |
oiaohm | Chinese old you basically have everything. | Apr 30 04:07 |
oiaohm | Yes you then have some of the X symbols that the order they are writen makes another word. | Apr 30 04:08 |
scientes | oiaohm, have you read the Han classic on learning to read? | Apr 30 04:08 |
scientes | cause if you haven't you probably should shut up | Apr 30 04:08 |
oiaohm | Han classic to read does not get you though historic chinese documents. | Apr 30 04:08 |
oiaohm | You will run into what is called the X chars or the short hand of the time. | Apr 30 04:09 |
oiaohm | Of course those x chars have been put in modern day unicode. | Apr 30 04:10 |
scientes | ugggh, I want this channel in spanish | Apr 30 04:10 |
oiaohm | Japan has funny ones where ghost chars have got into unicode. Ghost chars is someone wrote a word wrong and it got added to unicode. | Apr 30 04:11 |
scientes | cause I use ad-block on internet comments | Apr 30 04:11 |
scientes | and Wikipedia, at least in English, is full of empire-defending-delusional | Apr 30 04:12 |
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scientes | like people that think Libya is still a country | Apr 30 04:13 |
scientes | or Iraq | Apr 30 04:13 |
oiaohm | scientes: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/07/30/ghost-characters There are 4 common known ghost chars in japan. There is about 50 chinese X chars depending on the timeframe of document you are meaning have different meanings completely. | Apr 30 04:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daringfireball.net | Daring Fireball: The Japanese Ghost Characters Haunting Unicode | Apr 30 04:14 | |
oiaohm | Yes completely different ways to say the x chars as well. | Apr 30 04:14 |
scientes | oiaohm, https://www.tofugu.com/japan/fart-scrolls/ | Apr 30 04:14 |
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scientes | heh victorian-era-style censorship https://files.tofugu.com/articles/japan/2012-02-18-fart-scrolls/fart-screen.jpg | Apr 30 04:16 |
scientes | as I was saying, we are still clinging to the English golden age | Apr 30 04:16 |
scientes | (and I guess the Dutch golden age too, in the way the global $$$ mafia works) | Apr 30 04:16 |
oiaohm | Yes fart scrolls you can see in stuff like it in modern day japan anime. | Apr 30 04:17 |
scientes | oiaohm, yeah, but then it is stupid | Apr 30 04:17 |
scientes | this has the aura of being old, and the person had to collect all the dyes to color it | Apr 30 04:18 |
scientes | lots more effort went in | Apr 30 04:18 |
oiaohm | Not really early japan anime was all hand painted. | Apr 30 04:18 |
oiaohm | when you thinking that is per frame. | Apr 30 04:18 |
oiaohm | Lot more work in the anime than the old fart scrolls in fact. | Apr 30 04:19 |
oiaohm | So its been their sense of humour for a long time. | Apr 30 04:19 |
oiaohm | scientes: https://didyouknowfacts.com/kancho-butt-poking-game/ japan culture about buts stuff just get wacky. | Apr 30 04:20 |
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kingoffrance | i sometimes see &c. i assume that is == et cetera ? | Apr 30 04:33 |
kingoffrance | that is another ampersand usage in old things | Apr 30 04:34 |
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scientes | <kingoffrance> i sometimes see &c. i assume that is == et cetera ? | Apr 30 05:03 |
scientes | yes | Apr 30 05:03 |
scientes | that shows up in lithographs | Apr 30 05:03 |
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scientes | ahhhh | Apr 30 06:09 |
scientes | I am so tired of how Firefox javascript locks up | Apr 30 06:09 |
scientes | even when i have 8 threads | Apr 30 06:09 |
scientes | the efficiency of software is inversely proportional to the power of the developer's computer | Apr 30 06:09 |
scientes | pretty soon you will need a 50W CPU to do addition | Apr 30 06:10 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi | Apr 30 07:03 |
schestowitz | the tablet or browser? ;-p | Apr 30 07:07 |
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schestowitz | iirc, there was a third thing in recent years called vivaldi, but I cannot recall what it was | Apr 30 07:10 |
scientes | schestowitz, pretty sure that was a KDE browser based on webkit | Apr 30 07:11 |
scientes | but that was a long time ago | Apr 30 07:11 |
scientes | its really just firefox and chrome, and chrome is killed based on being preinstalled everywhere now | Apr 30 07:11 |
scientes | and they killed IE by playing hard-ball with YouTube | Apr 30 07:12 |
scientes | even though Microsoft developers are pretty stubbourn and high-quality | Apr 30 07:12 |
schestowitz | scientes: possible, let me check | Apr 30 07:12 |
schestowitz | would be odd if two browsers were called the same though | Apr 30 07:13 |
schestowitz | the kde tablet was called that | Apr 30 07:13 |
schestowitz | it never launched properly afaik, supply chain issue, like meizu and ubuntu | Apr 30 07:13 |
scientes | ahh its a kde thing | Apr 30 07:13 |
scientes | schestowitz, yeah i was confusing with the tablet | Apr 30 07:13 |
scientes | because KDE did have a browser (more recently than KHTML, which is the origin of webkit) | Apr 30 07:13 |
schestowitz | but anyway, you could maybe you wikipedia to track down all products called "Tesla" something, "Vivaldi" something | Apr 30 07:14 |
scientes | ahh its just chrome-based | Apr 30 07:14 |
schestowitz | when the browsers launched it 'felt' like they were rising a FOSS wave they had lacked | Apr 30 07:14 |
scientes | the reality is that browsers are so big these days, that there will never be another browser | Apr 30 07:14 |
schestowitz | there's also unity, unity3d, unity desktop | Apr 30 07:14 |
scientes | its just firefox, webkit, and chromium | Apr 30 07:14 |
schestowitz | lots of things with confusing and conflicting name, you could do a whole report on such stuff with name collisions in tech | Apr 30 07:15 |
scientes | and if you want your stuff to last, you need to reduce your used feature-set | Apr 30 07:15 |
schestowitz | which should happen | Apr 30 07:15 |
scientes | and basically think of Swartz's semantic web stuff | Apr 30 07:15 |
schestowitz | what do we do with browsers anyway? | Apr 30 07:15 |
schestowitz | 1. read news | Apr 30 07:15 |
schestowitz | 2. check numbers of things online | Apr 30 07:16 |
schestowitz | (mail we can do with a proper native client) | Apr 30 07:16 |
schestowitz | and you nowadays have many input types and screen sizes | Apr 30 07:16 |
schestowitz | although small ones have "APPPPPPPPS" instead of browsers | Apr 30 07:16 |
schestowitz | anyway, the issue is the sites themselbes | Apr 30 07:16 |
schestowitz | they become "Smart" (bloated) | Apr 30 07:17 |
schestowitz | techrights has mostly avoided that trap, just mostly... | Apr 30 07:17 |
schestowitz | we still use css+js from around 2005 | Apr 30 07:17 |
schestowitz | so very old browsers work very decently with the site | Apr 30 07:17 |
scientes | the only bloated things I use is email | Apr 30 07:17 |
scientes | the only decent native client is mutt | Apr 30 07:17 |
schestowitz | and there are fallbacks for no js and old css support level | Apr 30 07:17 |
scientes | otherwise the performance just sucks | Apr 30 07:17 |
schestowitz | i could barely open thunderbird on my old laptop | Apr 30 07:18 |
schestowitz | as it would suck in almost 3gb of ram to open | Apr 30 07:18 |
schestowitz | the machine had only 2bg | Apr 30 07:18 |
schestowitz | hence swapping | Apr 30 07:18 |
schestowitz | then it would 'smoothen' and take 'only' 500mb or a bit less | Apr 30 07:18 |
schestowitz | this is just to read some .mbox files | Apr 30 07:19 |
schestowitz | and render them, most of them are plain text | Apr 30 07:19 |
schestowitz | the only 'upside' is, that taught me to check email only once a day, sometimes less | Apr 30 07:20 |
schestowitz | (i'd start the software while going to make coffee) | Apr 30 07:20 |
schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M92kD0VzG3k | Apr 30 07:20 |
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schestowitz | this is new, but much of what he says here I found out years ago | Apr 30 07:20 |
schestowitz | I also wrote about it, e.g. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2019/05/27/reply-in-large-batches/ | Apr 30 07:21 |
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schestowitz | it's nice to see others reaching the same conclusion, then explaining their experience | Apr 30 07:21 |
schestowitz | like, if you open mail just for some one message... and then a bunch of unrelated cruft flies in your face 'while at it....' | Apr 30 07:21 |
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schestowitz | we have a big story coming: | Apr 30 07:23 |
schestowitz | > I can tell you a little more if you don't say you got it from me. | Apr 30 07:23 |
schestowitz | Any update on this? | Apr 30 07:23 |
schestowitz | xxxx wrote on 29/11/2019 05:34: | Apr 30 07:27 |
schestowitz | > I forgot the idea I had in mind! I will have to see if it comes back yo me. | Apr 30 07:27 |
schestowitz | > :-{. | Apr 30 07:27 |
schestowitz | Last year you were going to tell me something as well (see date above), and then you forgot what it was or how to present it to me. | Apr 30 07:27 |
schestowitz | Take your time; it's better to be careful. | Apr 30 07:27 |
schestowitz | Basically, all we need is facts. Never mind where they came from (we can hide their source). | Apr 30 07:27 |
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DaemonFC[m] | The UK managed to turn into an even bigger COVID disaster than the US. | Apr 30 07:43 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, I complained in March | Apr 30 08:12 |
schestowitz | lockdowns too late | Apr 30 08:13 |
schestowitz | they even kept all schools open for another week when they already knew it was a bad idea to keep them open at all | Apr 30 08:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | We've got another problem. The Republicans are reopening entire states now. | Apr 30 08:13 |
schestowitz | plus, the Conservatives have attacked the NHS here for 10 years, which is how long they were in power | Apr 30 08:13 |
schestowitz | privatising it and all, covertly, but obvious to people like me who work with NHS | Apr 30 08:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's going to hit them very hard and frankly the only way we can reopen now is hope it burns through them fast. | Apr 30 08:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's forcing so many large employers to shut down that I don't know what the fuck these people are smoking. | Apr 30 08:14 |
schestowitz | eventually most people will get it | Apr 30 08:14 |
schestowitz | but the two factors are | Apr 30 08:14 |
schestowitz | 1) can you provide them with a bed and ICU stuff if they need it | Apr 30 08:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | Does the healthcare system collapse or not, for one. | Apr 30 08:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Apr 30 08:15 |
schestowitz | 2) can we improve their resistance, e.g. with weakened COVID before they get it for real, or antibodies | Apr 30 08:15 |
DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that people get that a forced reopening is not going to go over well. | Apr 30 08:16 |
schestowitz | people like us might get it, develop resistance and never even know it | Apr 30 08:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | The economy will be crap anyway and more people will die. | Apr 30 08:16 |
schestowitz | ok, well | Apr 30 08:16 |
schestowitz | rianne read about it | Apr 30 08:16 |
schestowitz | a | Apr 30 08:16 |
schestowitz | and she thinks politicians don't want to be first to reopen | Apr 30 08:16 |
schestowitz | they wait for other countries to be the first experiment | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | and then see how that goe | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | *when COVID 'flows free' | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | *after* a month of lockdown | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | so they keep kicking the can down the road | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | our prospective date is May 7th | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | for staged reopening | Apr 30 08:17 |
schestowitz | like people going to the office at different time to reduce human congestion | Apr 30 08:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | Indiana is doing May 2nd everything allowed to reopen. | Apr 30 08:18 |
schestowitz | but they can always cite high death toll, then say, "give us another 2 weeks" | Apr 30 08:18 |
schestowitz | meanwhile they hope other countries will 'test' this | Apr 30 08:18 |
schestowitz | like Germany | Apr 30 08:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | Illinois extended the emergency through May and said masks are mandatory inside essential businesses. | Apr 30 08:18 |
schestowitz | this will be fun | Apr 30 08:19 |
schestowitz | I wonder when our gym will reopen | Apr 30 08:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | The states are turning into experiments alright. | Apr 30 08:19 |
schestowitz | meanwhile I got very good again at pushups, situps and squats with only bodyweight | Apr 30 08:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | Why would you even go until this is over? | Apr 30 08:19 |
schestowitz | it'll never be "over" | Apr 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | even if you "get rid of it" | Apr 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | it will come back in future seasons | Apr 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | yesterday rianne said she had read that to go on holiday you'd need to stay in quarantine for 14 dsys | Apr 30 08:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | You know what I mean. Wall of death with nothing putting a crimp on it. | Apr 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | maybe the same on way back, not sure | Apr 30 08:21 |
schestowitz | so for one week's holiday you'll need to be a month away, mostly in self-isolation/lock-down | Apr 30 08:21 |
schestowitz | and plane tickets might double in price anyway | Apr 30 08:21 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: trump doesn't mind death | Apr 30 08:21 |
schestowitz | he'sa sociopath | Apr 30 08:21 |
schestowitz | he sees death as political tool | Apr 30 08:22 |
schestowitz | this germophobe | Apr 30 08:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's killing people who break heavily for Republicans. | Apr 30 08:22 |
schestowitz | 2400+ death yesterday | Apr 30 08:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | So it's going to hurt his party a lot and maybe remove him too. | Apr 30 08:23 |
schestowitz | uk averages around 500-600 | Apr 30 08:23 |
schestowitz | which still sucks | Apr 30 08:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | There's still months until the election. | Apr 30 08:23 |
schestowitz | more deaths than spain now, soon italy also... | Apr 30 08:23 |
schestowitz | maybe next weel | Apr 30 08:23 |
schestowitz | *week | Apr 30 08:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | It'll definitely skew things towards Biden. | Apr 30 08:23 |
schestowitz | biden is not exciting | Apr 30 08:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | Old people are the only group who ever was likely to vote for Trump anyway. | Apr 30 08:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | He's not, but people are furious with Trump right now. | Apr 30 08:24 |
schestowitz | is his 'base' also angry? | Apr 30 08:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | Trump voters aren't, but they'll keep denying it as it kills them. | Apr 30 08:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | So fuck them, honestly. | Apr 30 08:24 |
schestowitz | how is bible belt and all doing? | Apr 30 08:24 |
schestowitz | rural/farming usland? | Apr 30 08:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | They're angry that we have a lockdown and are itching for in person church and shit again. | Apr 30 08:24 |
DaemonFC[m] | So if there is a second wave, guess who gets it? | Apr 30 08:25 |
schestowitz | lol | Apr 30 08:25 |
schestowitz | so primitive | Apr 30 08:25 |
schestowitz | without SF, NYC etc. the US would be medieval | Apr 30 08:25 |
schestowitz | their whole economy seems to depend on the shore cities | Apr 30 08:25 |
schestowitz | anyway, we still have our jobs | Apr 30 08:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's awful. Indianapolis is getting whacked hard and most people in Indiana are more worried about when the mall will open. | Apr 30 08:26 |
schestowitz | but it would be disgusting to look at things from a selfish lens | Apr 30 08:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's fucking retarded. | Apr 30 08:26 |
schestowitz | those scopes miss the broader pic | Apr 30 08:26 |
schestowitz | we cannot go to a proper gym etc. | Apr 30 08:26 |
schestowitz | they also won't set up a washing machine for you | Apr 30 08:26 |
schestowitz | ours broke down last week, I had to learn how to install the new one on my own | Apr 30 08:26 |
schestowitz | (which I did, but it took about an hour) | Apr 30 08:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Part of me doesn't really care if they open up red states. | Apr 30 08:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | They just fucking die already and maybe Trump loses more. | Apr 30 08:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: to some people, mall is lifwe | Apr 30 08:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | We'll be rid of a bunch of morons. | Apr 30 08:27 |
schestowitz | almost literally | Apr 30 08:27 |
schestowitz | some people have no flat | Apr 30 08:27 |
schestowitz | they have a room | Apr 30 08:27 |
schestowitz | so they need to go out for "space" | Apr 30 08:27 |
schestowitz | and I totally get that | Apr 30 08:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's us. | Apr 30 08:28 |
schestowitz | to them, sipping coffee somewhere is "better" | Apr 30 08:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | But even if there was a mall right now, hell no. | Apr 30 08:28 |
schestowitz | claustrophobic otherwise | Apr 30 08:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it is annoying. | Apr 30 08:28 |
schestowitz | also noisy at house, parents or tenants who are noisy and who they dislike | Apr 30 08:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | Dying is worse. When will things go back to normal if you're dead? | Apr 30 08:28 |
schestowitz | lots of domestic violence lately, UN confirms with numbers | Apr 30 08:28 |
schestowitz | women have no place to go | Apr 30 08:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | People need to consider this. They go to the mall and then they kill their parents with the virus. | Apr 30 08:29 |
schestowitz | so they out up with verbal abuse and physical violence/threats | Apr 30 08:29 |
schestowitz | it's like prisons... without any wards | Apr 30 08:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's everywhere. Yeah, and people are finding out they don't like their spouse that much after all. | Apr 30 08:29 |
schestowitz | and no assured meals, either | Apr 30 08:29 |
schestowitz | some lack a source of income, so even going down the road to the shop isn't an option until you plan to shoplift | Apr 30 08:30 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it's not that simple | Apr 30 08:30 |
schestowitz | an UNEMPLOYED spouse | Apr 30 08:30 |
schestowitz | of which there are like, what? 40 million in the US now? | Apr 30 08:30 |
schestowitz | "leave that damn computer and do something other than FPS games all day!" | Apr 30 08:31 |
schestowitz | (but there's nothing else they can do really..) | Apr 30 08:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Apr 30 08:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | Divorce court is going to be busy when this is over. | Apr 30 08:31 |
schestowitz | but wait | Apr 30 08:31 |
insmodppa | schestowitz: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts | Apr 30 08:31 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shadowstats.com | Alternate Unemployment Charts | Apr 30 08:31 | |
schestowitz | they can only wair | Apr 30 08:31 |
schestowitz | wait | Apr 30 08:31 |
schestowitz | almost nobody hires, I suppose | Apr 30 08:32 |
schestowitz | any openings that exist are far too competitive | Apr 30 08:32 |
schestowitz | insmodppa: good | Apr 30 08:32 |
schestowitz | I always wanted to see those charted | Apr 30 08:32 |
schestowitz | I've long spoken about how fake or at best misleading those numbers are | Apr 30 08:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Not so much really. | Apr 30 08:33 |
schestowitz | I know people here in their 50s who just quit working and looking for work | Apr 30 08:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mandy got a job at Walmart immediately when this started. | Apr 30 08:33 |
schestowitz | they call it early retirement to keep their dignity/self-respect | Apr 30 08:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | I told him to apply before people started getting fired like crazy. LOL | Apr 30 08:33 |
schestowitz | but it is clear it was not their choice | Apr 30 08:33 |
schestowitz | insmodppa: the charts need updating | Apr 30 08:34 |
schestowitz | it would not shock me if that shot up to 50% this month | Apr 30 08:34 |
schestowitz | I mean, what sectors DO work? | Apr 30 08:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | I don't even know if my psychiatrist will ever go back to his office. | Apr 30 08:34 |
schestowitz | IT? Barely. Some... | Apr 30 08:34 |
schestowitz | health, food | Apr 30 08:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | He called me in a bunch of refills. | Apr 30 08:34 |
schestowitz | except serving food | Apr 30 08:34 |
schestowitz | agra, shipping to stores, stores that sell food | Apr 30 08:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | I emailed him when I realized what was about to happen. | Apr 30 08:35 |
schestowitz | sport is weird too | Apr 30 08:35 |
schestowitz | england football coach just stepped down suddenly | Apr 30 08:35 |
schestowitz | in all sports, why keep in shape now? | Apr 30 08:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Georgia and Indiana are not the economy. | Apr 30 08:35 |
schestowitz | You work super-hard, in poor facilities | Apr 30 08:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | So if they reopen that's nice. What do they even do without us? | Apr 30 08:36 |
schestowitz | and you don't even know when you'll be back to competiting | Apr 30 08:36 |
schestowitz | if at all | Apr 30 08:36 |
schestowitz | and crowds won't want to be in a stadium for a while | Apr 30 08:36 |
schestowitz | iirc, indiana made heavy metals | Apr 30 08:36 |
schestowitz | like the jackson 5 family, steel factories and all | Apr 30 08:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | I talked to mom. She said "Well, I agree with the Democrats on this one. They can reopen whatever they want. They can't make us go there." | Apr 30 08:37 |
schestowitz | not sure they still do it with detroit on the rocks and not demanding those materials | Apr 30 08:37 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: true | Apr 30 08:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | She knows enough to be terrified of it. | Apr 30 08:37 |
schestowitz | that's another aspect, confidence | Apr 30 08:37 |
schestowitz | you open a store | Apr 30 08:37 |
schestowitz | nobody comes | Apr 30 08:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | She watched one of her patients die of it. | Apr 30 08:37 |
schestowitz | so you pay someone a salary to offer on sale things... that nobody wants | Apr 30 08:38 |
schestowitz | and you put your staff at risk | Apr 30 08:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | People are fucking dumb. Like, dumb! | Apr 30 08:38 |
schestowitz | oh, madame harmone is a nurse/hospital worker? | Apr 30 08:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | Shares of AMC went up because movie theaters can reopen in a few states. | Apr 30 08:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | Nobody with a brain in their head is going to go there. | Apr 30 08:38 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: we have two nurses in my family | Apr 30 08:38 |
schestowitz | my grandma was one too | Apr 30 08:38 |
schestowitz | and they're terrified by what they see | Apr 30 08:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mom's a nurse at a nursing home. | Apr 30 08:39 |
schestowitz | they say wear mask and gloves everywhere | Apr 30 08:39 |
schestowitz | they say, once you can't breathe for yourself, you're finished | Apr 30 08:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yes, they implemented all of the restrictions I suggested to her there. | Apr 30 08:39 |
schestowitz | covid will eat your lungs, not the other way around | Apr 30 08:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | Nobody else has tested positive or had symptoms, and that one lady was a few weeks ago. | Apr 30 08:39 |
schestowitz | lol, so odeon trending in twitter is about THAT? | Apr 30 08:40 |
schestowitz | I did not even click | Apr 30 08:40 |
schestowitz | cinemas can be nice | Apr 30 08:40 |
schestowitz | but not at this time | Apr 30 08:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | No, the way they're laid out is a disaster with a respiratory virus. | Apr 30 08:40 |
schestowitz | I don't know enough | Apr 30 08:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | Someone sneezes/coughs and it literally falls on everyone in front of them. | Apr 30 08:41 |
schestowitz | rianne's aunt even thing this thing was "made" | Apr 30 08:41 |
schestowitz | as in, engineered in a lab | Apr 30 08:41 |
schestowitz | she is a nurse, she works in a covid unit | Apr 30 08:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's an anti-China theory. | Apr 30 08:41 |
schestowitz | she says it really does kill a lot of people, nothing "fake" about it | Apr 30 08:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | We'll never know. Even if China knows, they'd lie if it showed they were incompetent or something and let it escape a lab. | Apr 30 08:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | You think they'd ever admit that? LOL | Apr 30 08:42 |
schestowitz | [01:26] <schestowitz> > I've already read the article that says why it's not a GMO. | Apr 30 08:42 |
schestowitz | [01:26] <schestowitz> Every 50 or so years there's a major pandemic. Some kill millions. Some hundreds of millions. This predates microbiology science and never required a lab or human intervention. So common sense tells me that's as likely to be true as the old claims HIV/AIDS etc. were made by humans. | Apr 30 08:42 |
schestowitz | [01:26] <schestowitz> Also, you can find one climate scientist that will say global warming is a scam, but that's not a consensus, it's an outlier. And in the battle/debates over ideas the majority has a better story or evidence to show. | Apr 30 08:42 |
schestowitz | china isn't benefiting from it, either | Apr 30 08:43 |
schestowitz | and they fake "success" imho | Apr 30 08:43 |
schestowitz | they don't export much at the moment | Apr 30 08:43 |
schestowitz | their economy can only sell rubbish "masks" now | Apr 30 08:43 |
schestowitz | my inbox is full of spam like that | Apr 30 08:43 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, because it's burning out of control there too and they're lying about it. | Apr 30 08:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | You know that, right? | Apr 30 08:46 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: if something did get out of a lab its normally published by effected country with a full report into how. Because if you don't and you cover it up you will end up with the screw up happening again. | Apr 30 08:51 |
oiaohm | China has have other lab issues in the past. | Apr 30 08:51 |
oiaohm | But every time a report on what went wrong turned up. | Apr 30 08:51 |
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oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: previous escapes of the SARS virus at Chinese laboratories in Beijing << Its really simple to forgot this happened and the complete setup at Wuhan had been built from the ground up to prevent this. | Apr 30 08:54 |
oiaohm | Yes prior lab leaks you in china you have always had full reports into. So why would this time be different. | Apr 30 08:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | Because, they're worse now than they were when SARS happened. | Apr 30 08:59 |
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oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Sars leak in china was very bad. | Apr 30 09:14 |
oiaohm | Really odds that its a china lab leak without a report on the leak is insanely low | Apr 30 09:14 |
oiaohm | Now if this was a USA lab or a North Korra lab.... you could expect no report. | Apr 30 09:15 |
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oiaohm | Reason if a china lab leaked as in the SARS virus case the lab wanted exact report so they could blame it on equipment or staff. | Apr 30 09:16 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787 << there is one country documented for messing around with lab made covid-19 class viruses. USA. | Apr 30 09:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research : Nature News & Comment | Apr 30 09:21 | |
oiaohm | China labs had more than enough natural sourced ones to be messing around with. | Apr 30 09:22 |
oiaohm | There is old human bias. If you are doing X you expect everyone else to be doing X even when you have no other evidence. | Apr 30 09:23 |
Digit | " scientists believe " | Apr 30 09:35 |
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schestowitz | Digit: this is how media puts it | Apr 30 11:27 |
schestowitz | not how scientists put it | Apr 30 11:27 |
schestowitz | "Scientists have shown | Apr 30 11:27 |
schestowitz | "X and Y from Uni Z have demonstrated... | Apr 30 11:27 |
schestowitz | "Evidence shown, extracted from R, suggests... | Apr 30 11:28 |
schestowitz | The word believes or believe is rarely used in actual papers that are peer-reviewed | Apr 30 11:28 |
schestowitz | that's just media being sceptical of science | Apr 30 11:28 |
schestowitz | for the two-side-ism | Apr 30 11:28 |
schestowitz | scientists believe | Apr 30 11:29 |
schestowitz | and OTHO David Ike believes... | Apr 30 11:29 |
schestowitz | Icke | Apr 30 11:29 |
Digit | still has that fallacious misleading hypnotic suggestive authoritative quality, changing from believe to have shown. | Apr 30 11:29 |
schestowitz | sometimes it is shown | Apr 30 11:29 |
schestowitz | unless it's a fraud | Apr 30 11:29 |
schestowitz | like faked data, faked results | Apr 30 11:29 |
Digit | "scientists" | Apr 30 11:29 |
schestowitz | so they you assess the person and university | Apr 30 11:30 |
schestowitz | and their track record, how much they stand to lose from a fraud | Apr 30 11:30 |
schestowitz | Nature is very good | Apr 30 11:30 |
Digit | ~ | Apr 30 11:30 |
schestowitz | they're rarely publishing false stuff | Apr 30 11:30 |
schestowitz | very strict | Apr 30 11:30 |
schestowitz | to get a paper accepted by them is hard | Apr 30 11:30 |
Digit | yup | Apr 30 11:30 |
Digit | so hard, there's probably more than a few babies thrown out with the bathwater. | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | yes | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | for safety | Apr 30 11:31 |
Digit | n_n | Apr 30 11:31 |
Digit | for scientism dogma. | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | to keep impact factor | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | lancet sold out to bill gates | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | so they're nothing to me now | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | Nature did not, afaik | Apr 30 11:31 |
schestowitz | WHO and UN also sold out to corrupt Gates | Apr 30 11:32 |
schestowitz | or rather taken over | Apr 30 11:32 |
schestowitz | IEEE same | Apr 30 11:32 |
schestowitz | Microsoft boosters | Apr 30 11:32 |
schestowitz | disguised as "engineering" | Apr 30 11:32 |
Digit | i still find all of them, even the best, not above conflicts of interest, in this economy. | Apr 30 11:32 |
Digit | WHO sold out hard to gates, but they kinda had their dubiousnesses already even before billinda foundation bought influence. | Apr 30 11:33 |
schestowitz | does anyone here have direct contacts with SF conservancy? | Apr 30 11:34 |
schestowitz | they have not replies in Twitter and Mastodon | Apr 30 11:34 |
schestowitz | not even in their defence | Apr 30 11:34 |
schestowitz | and they'll suffer for it | Apr 30 11:34 |
schestowitz | I want to give them a chance to explain their blunder | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | Microsoft corrupted them | Apr 30 11:35 |
Digit | i dont recall seeing info on gates buying the UN... would love to know more... got any links about that? *doing own searching ~ might be a day on this topic* | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | UN is WHO | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | or WHO part of UN | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | Lots of things are, WIPO included | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | so if you control one you indirectly have a foot inside the others | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | Moon as UN chief was a mate of corrupt Gates | Apr 30 11:35 |
Digit | mhmm, part. just wondered how where gates influence goes up the UN heirarchies. | Apr 30 11:35 |
schestowitz | I did not keep track of Moon's successors | Apr 30 11:36 |
schestowitz | But I imagine it was the same | Apr 30 11:36 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/11/04/stuck-in-the-toilet/ | Apr 30 11:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even the UN Calls Out Bill Gates’ BS | Techrights | Apr 30 11:36 | |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/02/09/western-agenda-africa/ | Apr 30 11:37 |
schestowitz | \http://techrights.org/2008/06/27/bill-gates-un-politics/ | Apr 30 11:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | United Nations and World Bank Help Bill Gates and Microsoft Colonise Africa | Techrights | Apr 30 11:37 | |
schestowitz | gates is no geek, he's a criminal | Apr 30 11:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quick Mention: Bill Gates’ Political Crusade Has Already Begun | Techrights | Apr 30 11:37 | |
schestowitz | arrested, then became politician | Apr 30 11:37 |
schestowitz | and he's in my opinion the most dangerous oligarch, more than the koch brothers, one of whom died | Apr 30 11:37 |
schestowitz | the living one bribed techdirt | Apr 30 11:37 |
MinceR | successfully? | Apr 30 11:38 |
Digit | the rise of microsoft, the destruction of multiple entire industries, in in wake of microsoft's / bill gate's inscrupulous monopolist strategy. the defining embodiment of "anti-competitive". master of "embrace, extend extinguish", wherever it couldnt just clobber. glad waybackmachine still has microsuck/fuckmicrosoft's page on what's so bad about microsoft anyway | Apr 30 11:39 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Apr 30 11:40 |
MinceR | :( | Apr 30 11:40 |
Digit | world domination. total, domination. as a goal. we are in a lot of trouble. | Apr 30 11:40 |
schestowitz | they even put up a banner celebrating this oil monster | Apr 30 11:40 |
schestowitz | as champion of "Freedom" and "speech | Apr 30 11:40 |
schestowitz | like the anti-regulation 'libertarian' (keeping "big gov" away from big biz" | Apr 30 11:41 |
schestowitz | then again, techdirt has since then berated regulations many times | Apr 30 11:41 |
schestowitz | e.g. against uber, facebook | Apr 30 11:41 |
schestowitz | like.... leave these wonderful innovative companies alone... | Apr 30 11:41 |
schestowitz | even masnick himself wrote that crap | Apr 30 11:41 |
MinceR | microsoft demonstrates very well how useless regulations are | Apr 30 11:41 |
schestowitz | wait for my next article | Apr 30 11:42 |
schestowitz | When EPO Outsources Everything to Surveillance System of Microsoft and the NSA | Apr 30 11:42 |
MinceR | the state is inherently corrupt, you can't expect them to protect you against corporations or rich people | Apr 30 11:42 |
schestowitz | after that: Platinum Sponsors of Copyleft Conf Are Companies That Attack Copyleft's Father, Richard Stallman | Apr 30 11:42 |
schestowitz | I gave brad kugn and "Ada" et al a chance to respond | Apr 30 11:42 |
schestowitz | they paint it as feminism and hip-hop and stuff | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | while attacking stallman's legacy | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | (I would not put it like this in the article) | Apr 30 11:43 |
Digit | regulators could be useful, if they were regulators, not deregulators bought by those they're supposed to regulate. and so, who regulates the regulators? | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | They also THANK and CONGRATULATE and celebrate "Ada" | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | as if. you know... "Ethics" | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | Digit: recursive issue, but it's the lesser e vil | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | evil | Apr 30 11:43 |
schestowitz | no regulation at all is corporatist anarchy | Apr 30 11:44 |
MinceR | lynching would help | Apr 30 11:44 |
Digit | yeah, having regulators is the worst method, except for not having regulators. | Apr 30 11:44 |
schestowitz | like people who want "liberty" like owning slaves and machines guns | Apr 30 11:44 |
schestowitz | anyway, I am still typing these things up | Apr 30 11:44 |
MinceR | how would you defend yourself against a corrupt and armed state, if you didn't even have weapons? | Apr 30 11:44 |
Digit | "free to take away another's freedom" heh, yeah... that kind of "freedom". | Apr 30 11:45 |
schestowitz | whilst checking and posting news links throughout | Apr 30 11:45 |
schestowitz | Digit: absolutely freedom is not possible | Apr 30 11:45 |
schestowitz | if might be possible if you own a whole planet | Apr 30 11:45 |
schestowitz | but even then you would need to eat something | Apr 30 11:45 |
Digit | MinceR: even with weapons, how are you going to defend yourself against a corrupt and armed state? dont they by definition have the bigger means at their disposal? seems a losing strategy. good question, if not rhetorical. | Apr 30 11:45 |
schestowitz | or bring in some energy sources from somewhere | Apr 30 11:46 |
MinceR | Digit: giving up all power is not a good way to solve this problem | Apr 30 11:46 |
Digit | free and free alike. not free to take away freedom. | Apr 30 11:46 |
schestowitz | Digit: that's why gov. is split into branches | Apr 30 11:46 |
Digit | MinceR: indeed. | Apr 30 11:46 |
schestowitz | in the US all branches seems to have collapsed onto one | Apr 30 11:46 |
MinceR | schestowitz: that's not working | Apr 30 11:46 |
schestowitz | courts with political appointees, Barr in DoJ, Pentagon hawks of the demented orange. | Apr 30 11:46 |
schestowitz | Digit: the fuckers who said that owned slaves | Apr 30 11:47 |
schestowitz | shot at the British and set off bombs on them... for freedom | Apr 30 11:47 |
schestowitz | and then got back to their dozen of "negro" slaves | Apr 30 11:47 |
schestowitz | so freedom is clearly NOT what they favoured | Apr 30 11:47 |
schestowitz | only some twisted slant of it | Apr 30 11:48 |
Digit | usa's gov's a terrible example to build upon. seemed set up by mostly plutocrats, slavers, chauvanists and supremicists. | Apr 30 11:48 |
schestowitz | but nm.... | Apr 30 11:48 |
Digit | yep | Apr 30 11:48 |
MinceR | it's one of the first "real" democracies | Apr 30 11:48 |
MinceR | and yet it has failed | Apr 30 11:48 |
schestowitz | 'Republic" technically | Apr 30 11:48 |
MinceR | republic is a form of representative democracy | Apr 30 11:48 |
schestowitz | because it sounds close enough to Repugnant, which is what it was and still is | Apr 30 11:48 |
MinceR | it seems humans can't maintain democracy | Apr 30 11:48 |
schestowitz | bombs of freedom... out and away, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam... | Apr 30 11:49 |
schestowitz | for not respecting US "freedom" from 5000 miles away | Apr 30 11:49 |
Digit | lol. i've been learning just how much more democratic many of the people already native were, before european kleptarchs came. and how much of the enlightenment came from the "new world". | Apr 30 11:49 |
schestowitz | now they tell us 59,000 died in Vietnam | Apr 30 11:49 |
schestowitz | odd that one... | Apr 30 11:49 |
schestowitz | Vietnam apparently has no humans | Apr 30 11:50 |
schestowitz | only US has humans | Apr 30 11:50 |
Digit | way to go for usa being the first democracy. lol. by trampling on democracies, and fucking it up with an oligarchy n calling it a democracy. | Apr 30 11:50 |
schestowitz | Napalm doesn't kill people unless it goes off inside the plan | Apr 30 11:50 |
schestowitz | *plane | Apr 30 11:50 |
MinceR | they used to work better | Apr 30 11:50 |
MinceR | but it's unsustainable with humans | Apr 30 11:50 |
schestowitz | we'll see what covid19 changes | Apr 30 11:50 |
schestowitz | as it inevitably will | Apr 30 11:51 |
MinceR | we had one way of making the state maybe let people live, and it failed | Apr 30 11:51 |
schestowitz | the world has not been the same since 2008 either | Apr 30 11:51 |
MinceR | it's time to give up on the state | Apr 30 11:51 |
MinceR | and stop pretending it's justified | Apr 30 11:51 |
schestowitz | lots of austerity and poverty, still partying like it's 1990s except with massive national and personal debt | Apr 30 11:51 |
Digit | i recently saw a bbc report on the rise n fall of labour. ... when it came to iraq, they were all teary eyed about the 169 servicemen who gave their lives for that mistake, but not a peep about the >1,000,000 iraqis killed. | Apr 30 11:51 |
schestowitz | now people can't even get a job or confidence to enter a store unless it's to get a loaf of bread, which you then wash like man | Apr 30 11:51 |
schestowitz | *mad | Apr 30 11:51 |
schestowitz | Digit: typical | Apr 30 11:52 |
schestowitz | New Labour was Tory of Old | Apr 30 11:52 |
MinceR | Digit: "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic" | Apr 30 11:52 |
Digit | oh, what a terrible mistake, blair made, joining usa's oil invasion... could have spared those 169 lives. o_O ethics goes boik. | Apr 30 11:52 |
MinceR | 30 125058 < schestowitz> we'll see what covid19 changes | Apr 30 11:53 |
MinceR | it's giving tyrants more excuses to clamp down | Apr 30 11:53 |
MinceR | it already happened in hungary | Apr 30 11:53 |
MinceR | google and apple also exploited it already | Apr 30 11:53 |
MinceR | and the death rate is so low it's unlikely to kill off humanity, unless it can re-infect people | Apr 30 11:53 |
Digit | MinceR: yeah... i remember callum's list, when you could still see the faces, and read the stories of the attrocious mistreatment that lead to deaths of the poor disabled people cut off in the name of "austerity"... when it comes to francesca martinez finally getting it said on mainstream media, "130,000" was numbing, and takes effort to explain that these are each people. | Apr 30 11:54 |
schestowitz | true, MinceR | Apr 30 11:54 |
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schestowitz | [11:52] <MinceR> Digit: "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic" | Apr 30 11:55 |
Digit | i suspect there may be a two part punch to that whole covid bacterial phage, and we're yet to have the other shoe drop. | Apr 30 11:55 |
schestowitz | this is how I treat covid019 already, I only check the numbers | Apr 30 11:55 |
schestowitz | because with so many daily deaths studying one single cases is pointless almost | Apr 30 11:55 |
schestowitz | *case | Apr 30 11:55 |
schestowitz | this pandemic could be bad as prior one if we didn't limit or contain its spread | Apr 30 11:56 |
Digit | the numbers, the numbers, the numbers... all we hear is, radio numbers, covid numbers, radio goo goo, radio gaga. when will we see real. | Apr 30 11:56 |
schestowitz | we now know what germs are | Apr 30 11:56 |
schestowitz | even virus, which we can see with microscopes | Apr 30 11:56 |
schestowitz | we also know that hand-washing can help, centuries ago it wasn't even common sense | Apr 30 11:56 |
schestowitz | town isolated from the ill like it was a "curse" | Apr 30 11:56 |
schestowitz | "cursed people" | Apr 30 11:56 |
Digit | virology and immunology is fascinating. have learned much these past few months. reframed perspectives out of the cartoon, by glomping on playlists of lectures. | Apr 30 11:57 |
schestowitz | for now we have 5 weeks of lock-down | Apr 30 11:57 |
schestowitz | 800 deaths yesterday | Apr 30 11:57 |
schestowitz | which is a lot | Apr 30 11:57 |
MinceR | not a lot compared to the number of births yesterday | Apr 30 11:57 |
schestowitz | for separation this long, although maybe some of these patients have been in ICU for weeks | Apr 30 11:57 |
schestowitz | MinceR: births "planned" before the crisis" | Apr 30 11:58 |
schestowitz | I think the gov. now encourages abortions | Apr 30 11:58 |
MinceR | nice | Apr 30 11:58 |
schestowitz | this is perhaps the only thing in decades that help get Gates hard | Apr 30 11:58 |
MinceR | who knew it only took a pandemic to shake the foundations of christian fundamentalism? :> | Apr 30 11:58 |
schestowitz | (except hanging out withn Jeff Epstein) | Apr 30 11:58 |
Digit | hand washing, tho, these days... a lot of those corporate detergents, are taking the piss... impares the defenses numerous ways, opens holes, risks anti-biotic-resistence, kills the defensive biome, disrupts the endocrine system, is carcinogenic, etc, etc, etc. | Apr 30 11:58 |
scientes | Digit, yeah, just use alcohol | Apr 30 12:03 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 12:03 |
scientes | I am scared of all that anti-biotic soap stuff | Apr 30 12:03 |
MinceR | alcohol is probably worse for the skin | Apr 30 12:03 |
MinceR | and what's so special about detergents? | Apr 30 12:03 |
scientes | alcohol-based hand washers are not that bad | Apr 30 12:03 |
scientes | detergent is fine | Apr 30 12:03 |
MinceR | aren't they just the usual lipid + polar head thing? | Apr 30 12:03 |
scientes | but without anti-biotics | Apr 30 12:03 |
Digit | yeah, that was same ballpark as my first impression, alcohol's no good for the skin either. | Apr 30 12:03 |
scientes | the skin is super powerful however | Apr 30 12:03 |
scientes | you can just oil up after if you need to | Apr 30 12:04 |
scientes | you could even buy lanolin | Apr 30 12:04 |
scientes | and apply that to your hands | Apr 30 12:04 |
scientes | ^^^^yeah, why don't doctors, that wash their hands a bazillion times a day (and the real ones just use their hands without gloves (but properly washed with alcohol), use lanolin? | Apr 30 12:05 |
Digit | scientes: maybe some do...? | Apr 30 12:05 |
scientes | the skin is a glove | Apr 30 12:05 |
Digit | scientes: take your gloves off, lets see... | Apr 30 12:05 |
scientes | Digit, have you not used a cow-hide glove before? | Apr 30 12:05 |
Digit | ok. i have had leather gloves. touche. skin gloves. n_n | Apr 30 12:06 |
scientes | Digit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degloving | Apr 30 12:06 |
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MinceR | human skin gloves! | Apr 30 12:06 |
scientes | no picture of it | Apr 30 12:06 |
scientes | but it happens with wedding rings | Apr 30 12:06 |
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MinceR | there's only a CT slice in that article | Apr 30 12:09 |
Digit | mhm, but the subsequent suggestion | Apr 30 12:10 |
Digit | schestowitz: thanks for those links, cascading out to dozens more from the links within. epic treasure trove. got techrights ththththoroughly backed up with multiple offsite redundancies i hope? | Apr 30 12:16 |
scientes | ugggh, I hate latin | Apr 30 12:18 |
scientes | i see lago in spanish | Apr 30 12:18 |
scientes | and I can't tell if it is Shakespeare's Iago | Apr 30 12:19 |
scientes | I should report that wikipedia should change the font they use | Apr 30 12:19 |
MinceR | i think they use the font you specify in your browser | Apr 30 12:19 |
MinceR | it uses my defaults for headings (Noto Serif) and body text (Droid Sans) | Apr 30 12:20 |
MinceR | both have serifs on uppercase I | Apr 30 12:20 |
scientes | oh then DejaVu has this problem | Apr 30 12:20 |
scientes | DejaVu Serif | Apr 30 12:20 |
scientes | https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataratas_Victoria#/media/Archivo:Cataratas_Victoria,_Zambia-Zimbabue,_2018-07-27,_DD_05.jpg | Apr 30 12:27 |
scientes | wow | Apr 30 12:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-es.wikipedia.org | Cataratas Victoria - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre | Apr 30 12:28 | |
scientes | oh wow | Apr 30 12:31 |
scientes | la Guerra de Secesión | Apr 30 12:31 |
scientes | is a spanish name for the US civil war | Apr 30 12:31 |
scientes | which is more honest than ANYTHING I have read in an English text-book | Apr 30 12:31 |
MinceR | it's easier to be honest from the outside | Apr 30 12:31 |
scientes | (even though Lincoln called it than many times) | Apr 30 12:31 |
scientes | even the liberal Howard Zinn is not that honest | Apr 30 12:32 |
scientes | I mean, it also got that name because the spanish-speaking world was more dominated by plantation economies | Apr 30 12:36 |
scientes | but still | Apr 30 12:36 |
scientes | but way more honest, because the south had no interest in controlling the whole thing | Apr 30 12:36 |
MinceR | yeah, all they wanted was the freedom to keep slaves :> | Apr 30 12:49 |
scientes | well said | Apr 30 12:49 |
scientes | but under the treaty of westphalia not isn't really out of the rules | Apr 30 12:49 |
MinceR | just like all microsoft, ibm and apple want is the freedom to own all our computing devices, including the ones we paid for | Apr 30 12:50 |
scientes | (but succession is) | Apr 30 12:50 |
scientes | it is more of a Monroe Doctrine thing | Apr 30 12:50 |
scientes | which later became the Carter Doctrine: if you don't want our dollars we have plenty of bombs | Apr 30 12:51 |
MinceR | :> | Apr 30 12:51 |
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XRevan86 | > iirc, there was a thing thing in recent years called vivaldi, but I cannot recall what it was | Apr 30 12:58 |
XRevan86 | It is a Chromium-based browser from former developers of Opera. | Apr 30 12:58 |
XRevan86 | Has nothing to do KDE. Confused with Falkon? | Apr 30 12:58 |
scientes | XRevan86, there was a kde project called vivaldi | Apr 30 12:59 |
scientes | and multiple kde web browsers | Apr 30 12:59 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I know of Konqueror, Rekonq and Falkon. | Apr 30 13:00 |
scientes | I just opened these needles i bought | Apr 30 13:03 |
scientes | with russian written on them | Apr 30 13:03 |
scientes | and they are the shittiest needles i have ever had | Apr 30 13:03 |
scientes | the eye is mal-formed and the ends are not sharp | Apr 30 13:03 |
scientes | they were clearly cast | Apr 30 13:04 |
scientes | (not that I know how other needles are made) | Apr 30 13:04 |
scientes | but you can see the defects in the cast | Apr 30 13:04 |
scientes | I guess that is something you have to give the US (and probably Japan and Germany) for---they brought quality, also to China | Apr 30 13:06 |
scientes | China's success is largely home-grown, Stalinism | Apr 30 13:06 |
scientes | however the quality is only because they are selling to foreigners that demand it | Apr 30 13:07 |
scientes | I need a thimble | Apr 30 13:08 |
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schestowitz | https://e.foundation/product/e-os-fairphone-3/ | Apr 30 17:59 |
schestowitz | site down? | Apr 30 17:59 |
schestowitz | weird url | Apr 30 17:59 |
schestowitz | gael duval put it | Apr 30 17:59 |
schestowitz | I wonder what the url should be | Apr 30 17:59 |
schestowitz | need to guess | Apr 30 17:59 |
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schestowitz | ok | Apr 30 18:00 |
schestowitz | it was just slow | Apr 30 18:00 |
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XRevan86 | https://static.ngs.ru/news/2020/99/preview/7f545f00c14cb016f1efbb5ff1094e8523e7fc323_1280_960.jpg | Apr 30 19:25 |
scientes | XRevan86, what is that? | Apr 30 19:26 |
XRevan86 | scientes: A container-refrigerator | Apr 30 19:26 |
XRevan86 | in St. Petersburg, for corpses | Apr 30 19:26 |
XRevan86 | https://fontanka.ru/2020/04/30/69236575 | Apr 30 19:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fontanka.ru | В Петербурге у больниц появились контейнеры-рефрижераторы для тел умерших от коронавируса. Установлены уже восемь штук - Город - Новости Санкт-Петербурга - Фонтанка.Ру | Apr 30 19:26 | |
scientes | are you telling me it is a secret compartment | Apr 30 19:27 |
scientes | full of secret compartments? | Apr 30 19:27 |
XRevan86 | No, just a corpse fridge | Apr 30 19:28 |
scientes | is it multi-mode? | Apr 30 19:28 |
scientes | looks like it | Apr 30 19:28 |
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XRevan86 | A temporary buffer to unload the burial services queue. | Apr 30 19:28 |
scientes | what is fontanka? | Apr 30 19:29 |
XRevan86 | A news site that focuses on St. Petersburg | Apr 30 19:29 |
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scientes | why does it say фонтанка.ру, but that domain doesn't exist | Apr 30 19:30 |
XRevan86 | transliteration | Apr 30 19:30 |
scientes | yeah I got that | Apr 30 19:31 |
XRevan86 | named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontanka_River | Apr 30 19:31 |
scientes | but there is no cyrillic IDN? | Apr 30 19:31 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fontanka River - Wikipedia | Apr 30 19:31 | |
XRevan86 | scientes: There is .рф | Apr 30 19:31 |
scientes | so its just implicit that you transliterate? | Apr 30 19:31 |
scientes | thats interesting | Apr 30 19:31 |
*scientes read about the lena river today in spanish | Apr 30 19:32 | |
XRevan86 | scientes: .ру doesn't exist, so yea, it goes without saying | Apr 30 19:32 |
XRevan86 | Now that I spelt that out, I can see why %) | Apr 30 19:33 |
scientes | why? | Apr 30 19:33 |
scientes | oh what you said | Apr 30 19:33 |
XRevan86 | scientes: And I see your point now, фонтанка.py could actually exist. | Apr 30 19:33 |
MinceR | is the "federation" a big deal to the russian government then? | Apr 30 19:34 |
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XRevan86 | In the Paraguay TLD | Apr 30 19:34 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: hm? | Apr 30 19:35 |
scientes | XRevan86, I have შონ.გე | Apr 30 19:35 |
scientes | just for the hell of it | Apr 30 19:35 |
scientes | except yandex doesn't support UTF-8 usernames | Apr 30 19:36 |
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scientes | (except as recipients and sources of email) | Apr 30 19:36 |
MinceR | that they preferred .рф to .ру | Apr 30 19:36 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: It's probably to avoid visual collisions. | Apr 30 19:36 |
MinceR | or where they not allowed to have an internationalized TLD that _looked_ like a non-internationalized one? (.py) | Apr 30 19:37 |
MinceR | ic | Apr 30 19:37 |
XRevan86 | and with .рф one can easily tell it's Cyrillic (or funny looking Greek %)) | Apr 30 19:37 |
XRevan86 | but not with .ро or .ру | Apr 30 19:37 |
scientes | georgian doesn't have that problem :) | Apr 30 19:37 |
XRevan86 | Indeed, it's all because Cyrillic looks a lot like Latin | Apr 30 19:38 |
scientes | hmm i don't get why nginx is sending the wrong TLS certificate | Apr 30 19:41 |
scientes | maybe its because of IDN problems | Apr 30 19:41 |
XRevan86 | scientes: That's not very likely. | Apr 30 19:41 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Can you show your configuration? | Apr 30 19:41 |
XRevan86 | the basic parts, location's are irrelevant in this case | Apr 30 19:42 |
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scientes | http://paste.debian.net/1144003/ | Apr 30 19:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | debian Pastezone | Apr 30 19:43 | |
scientes | gmm its not using that config | Apr 30 19:44 |
scientes | its using git.icu config | Apr 30 19:44 |
scientes | cause i can access stuff that is only set up under git.icu | Apr 30 19:44 |
XRevan86 | "if" – ugh, why | Apr 30 19:44 |
MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/10/04/3515a566867ed38b.gif | Apr 30 19:45 |
scientes | XRevan86, i didn't write that | Apr 30 19:45 |
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scientes | complain to LetsEncrypt | Apr 30 19:45 |
scientes | but i did have to set the domain back to the UTF-8 | Apr 30 19:46 |
scientes | cause nginx needs the UTF-8 there | Apr 30 19:46 |
scientes | as in the http request it gets sent as UTF-8 | Apr 30 19:46 |
scientes | the punycode is only used for the dns lookup | Apr 30 19:47 |
scientes | super confusing | Apr 30 19:47 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Ugh, certbot is generating your config or something? | Apr 30 19:47 |
scientes | yeah | Apr 30 19:47 |
scientes | that way you don't have to think about paths to certs | Apr 30 19:47 |
XRevan86 | You know paths are super-stable, right? %) | Apr 30 19:48 |
XRevan86 | It looks like complexity introduced for no real reason. | Apr 30 19:48 |
scientes | hey, this VPS which i have had for 2 years is scheuled to be discontinued in a few months | Apr 30 19:48 |
scientes | so I will have to migrate from arm64 to x86_64 | Apr 30 19:49 |
scientes | i don't have unlimited time | Apr 30 19:49 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: Oh, architecture change, that's a hassle… | Apr 30 19:49 |
scientes | cause where else can i get a arm64 server? | Apr 30 19:50 |
scientes | just AWS, and amazon is too expensive | Apr 30 19:50 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Well, Scaleway | Apr 30 19:51 |
scientes | they are not worth even thinking about because they nickle and dime you for so much | Apr 30 19:51 |
scientes | XRevan86, yeah it is scaleway, and i got an email that they are discontinuing their arm64 servers | Apr 30 19:51 |
XRevan86 | scientes: oh | Apr 30 19:51 |
scientes | i had it for 2 years | Apr 30 19:51 |
XRevan86 | scientes: So I guess that's their solution to having no local boot on ARM… | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | root@git:/etc/nginx# uptime | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | 18:52:01 up 136 days, 3:10, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.06 | Apr 30 19:52 |
XRevan86 | no ARM, no issue | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | well yeah, the lack of control over kernel is annoying | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | as it means no wireguard | Apr 30 19:52 |
XRevan86 | scientes: That's why I avoided ARM on Scaleway. | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | and scaleway has great bandwidth | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | I actually built my own kernel for arm64 scaleway | Apr 30 19:52 |
XRevan86 | In practice it's just like x86, but with a crappy kernel. | Apr 30 19:52 |
scientes | but it was too much effort | Apr 30 19:53 |
scientes | or rather, a kernel module for their kernel | Apr 30 19:53 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Well, migrate then. No reason to wait, really %). | Apr 30 19:53 |
scientes | except i really appreciate having a arm64 server to log into | Apr 30 19:53 |
XRevan86 | scientes: What's the point? | Apr 30 19:53 |
scientes | that's my main reason for it | Apr 30 19:53 |
scientes | if i need to test something on arm64 | Apr 30 19:53 |
scientes | and if i need arm-32 (which thunderx does not support) then i log into my phone | Apr 30 19:54 |
scientes | but then i need a static binary | Apr 30 19:54 |
*XRevan86 looks at a Raspberry Pi | Apr 30 19:54 | |
XRevan86 | 3 | Apr 30 19:54 |
scientes | 4 is out | Apr 30 19:54 |
scientes | i already have too much stuff | Apr 30 19:54 |
scientes | i don't need fragile stuff | Apr 30 19:54 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know what to do with this one %). | Apr 30 19:54 |
scientes | except it pisses me off | Apr 30 19:55 |
scientes | my phone is 64-bit | Apr 30 19:55 |
scientes | but it has 32-bit kernel | Apr 30 19:55 |
scientes | my last one was same | Apr 30 19:55 |
scientes | i think they do this to lower ram usage | Apr 30 19:55 |
*XRevan86 looks at a 2016 Android phone with AArch64 all the way. | Apr 30 19:55 | |
scientes | for the A53 phones | Apr 30 19:55 |
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XRevan86 | Don't know what was on stock, don't know, don't care, LineageOS delivers. | Apr 30 19:56 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: My hypothesis that because your server_name is unicode, nginx doesn't match, instead just going to the default server | Apr 30 19:59 |
XRevan86 | Don't know what it does if it fails to find "server_name _;", maybe goes to a random one. | Apr 30 20:00 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Or maybe it finds one of your if ($host = xn--wodd6a.xn--node) { and redirects %) | Apr 30 20:01 |
scientes | no its doing git.icu | Apr 30 20:02 |
scientes | for some reason | Apr 30 20:02 |
XRevan86 | This is not a straightforward configuration, so I'm not sure what is exactly the behaviour here… | Apr 30 20:02 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I can tell you that you need punycode in server_name | Apr 30 20:02 |
scientes | i will try again | Apr 30 20:03 |
scientes | but IIRC there was a problem | Apr 30 20:03 |
XRevan86 | server { | Apr 30 20:03 |
XRevan86 | listen 80; | Apr 30 20:03 |
XRevan86 | listen [::]:80; | Apr 30 20:03 |
XRevan86 | server_name xn--xodb6a.xn--node; | Apr 30 20:03 |
XRevan86 | return 301 https://$host$request_uri; | Apr 30 20:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: $host$request_uri; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://$host$request_uri ) | Apr 30 20:03 | |
XRevan86 | } | Apr 30 20:03 |
XRevan86 | And this is how one makes a redirect. | Apr 30 20:03 |
scientes | ahh it worked | Apr 30 20:04 |
scientes | with punycode in the name | Apr 30 20:04 |
scientes | did you notice that I spelled my own name wrong the first time? | Apr 30 20:04 |
scientes | and had to get a second domain | Apr 30 20:04 |
XRevan86 | No, I can't read the Georgian script %) | Apr 30 20:04 |
XRevan86 | didn't even notice that there are two of them: dmd and dmb | Apr 30 20:05 |
scientes | damn works | Apr 30 20:07 |
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scientes | XRevan86, you should watch Grapes of Wrath | Apr 30 20:15 |
scientes | 1940 | Apr 30 20:15 |
scientes | it is really something | Apr 30 20:15 |
scientes | Henry Fonda | Apr 30 20:15 |
scientes | I am going to have to come back tomorrow | Apr 30 20:17 |
scientes | too much depressing thing | Apr 30 20:17 |
scientes | *too many depressing things | Apr 30 20:17 |
scientes | so much resiliance however | Apr 30 20:21 |
scientes | there is alot of truth to it | Apr 30 20:21 |
XRevan86 | scientes: O.K. | Apr 30 20:22 |
scientes | heh | Apr 30 20:22 |
scientes | XRevan86, what that a joke? | Apr 30 20:22 |
scientes | *was | Apr 30 20:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | A virus escaping a lab and causing the end of the world was The Stand by Stephen King. The reason it wiped out the entire world and not just America was that when the US government realized it was going to collapse, it decided to use sleeper agents to release the super flu in Russia and China to make sure that there weren't any remaining superpowers. | Apr 30 20:22 |
XRevan86 | scientes: No, I'm going to watch it. | Apr 30 20:22 |
scientes | DaemonFC[m], sounds like resident evil | Apr 30 20:23 |
scientes | XRevan86, oh I though you were making a joke about oklahoma | Apr 30 20:23 |
scientes | and OK | Apr 30 20:23 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Can you elaborate on that? %) | Apr 30 20:24 |
scientes | OK means Oklahoma | Apr 30 20:24 |
scientes | which is where the family in Grapes of Wrath are from | Apr 30 20:24 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, RU, UK, US | Apr 30 20:24 |
XRevan86 | scientes: But I used dots, that ruins it, no? | Apr 30 20:25 |
scientes | but it is also a pun, because it means O.K. | Apr 30 20:25 |
scientes | so I thought you were being super clever | Apr 30 20:25 |
XRevan86 | Turns out, I was just oblivious. | Apr 30 20:25 |
scientes | well you usually are not like that | Apr 30 20:25 |
scientes | but I have a friend you is | Apr 30 20:25 |
scientes | always cracking word jokes | Apr 30 20:26 |
scientes | *who | Apr 30 20:26 |
XRevan86 | scientes: MinceR? | Apr 30 20:26 |
scientes | like saying that daylight savings time was invented by Konrad Adenauer | Apr 30 20:27 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not really into word humour, unless it ties into something. | Apr 30 20:28 |
scientes | I only use it when i am trying to learn a language | Apr 30 20:29 |
scientes | as you need to practice alien grammar | Apr 30 20:29 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/27/c1c06cc1b286eae2.gif | Apr 30 21:13 |
Narrator | nice | Apr 30 21:34 |
schestowitz | childhood deja vu | Apr 30 21:40 |
schestowitz | seems a bit like karateka graphics | Apr 30 21:40 |
kingoffrance | my closest frame of reference is usually always: (cat) http://www.flyingomelette.com/reviews/snes/screens/nekolost.gif | Apr 30 21:42 |
schestowitz | remember "bruce lee" the game? | Apr 30 21:42 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/27/eac8436bc18d9295.jpg | Apr 30 22:31 |
scientes | MinceR, I never understood those things | Apr 30 22:32 |
scientes | they are so fucking big and heavy | Apr 30 22:32 |
scientes | kind of misses the whole point of a laptop | Apr 30 22:32 |
scientes | I kinda regret that I got a laptop with a steel case, instead of aluminum/plastic | Apr 30 22:33 |
MinceR | i suppose it might be easier to take to a LAN party than a desktop + a monitor | Apr 30 22:33 |
MinceR | upgrading is expensive though | Apr 30 22:33 |
scientes | there were laptops with very similar specs and only a little more expensive with half the weight | Apr 30 22:33 |
MinceR | and the power of the CPU and GPU they can put into it is limited | Apr 30 22:33 |
scientes | MinceR, one of those mini-itx cases | Apr 30 22:33 |
MinceR | sure, but you'd still have to carry a monitor somehow | Apr 30 22:33 |
MinceR | and it has a big vulnerable soft surface | Apr 30 22:33 |
scientes | not if you can settle with 1080p | Apr 30 22:33 |
MinceR | now if someone invented clamshell gaming monitors... | Apr 30 22:33 |
scientes | in the US I accumulated 5 of those without paying for any of them | Apr 30 22:34 |
scientes | just had to buy power supplies | Apr 30 22:34 |
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XRevan86 | https://kommersant.ru/doc/4335483 aw man | Apr 30 22:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kommersant.ru | Демонтирована мозаика с изображением Путина в храме Вооруженных сил - Новости – Общество – Коммерсантъ | Apr 30 22:48 | |
XRevan86 | Putin mosaic in the armed forces main church was removed | Apr 30 22:48 |
scientes | the Putin yes men are rediculous | Apr 30 22:48 |
MinceR | :> | Apr 30 22:49 |
scientes | it kinda confirms what Joseph Steinbeck is saying | Apr 30 22:50 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/27/2455378886b9c15e.jpg | Apr 30 22:50 |
scientes | MinceR, nice | Apr 30 22:51 |
scientes | MinceR, do you remember when the mirror at the place I was staying electrified me? | Apr 30 22:52 |
scientes | in the bathroom | Apr 30 22:52 |
MinceR | no | Apr 30 22:52 |
scientes | and then the electrician not only did not know what a RCD/GFCI was, but also worked without gloves | Apr 30 22:52 |
MinceR | lol | Apr 30 22:53 |
*XRevan86 thinks about degloving now. | Apr 30 22:54 | |
scientes | yeah, this is a case gloves are important | Apr 30 22:55 |
MinceR | :> | Apr 30 22:55 |
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*XRevan86 also weirdly feels disappointed. | Apr 30 23:04 | |
XRevan86 | Is that what people who saw Cats the film felt when they re-released it in theatres with some CGI fixes? | Apr 30 23:04 |
scientes | oh god that is a horrible musical | Apr 30 23:04 |
scientes | he wrote good stuff (Phantom of the Opera, Jesus Christ Superstar), but not that | Apr 30 23:05 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Try the film %). | Apr 30 23:05 |
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MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/26/f0a768bf3fddb6a3.jpg | Apr 30 23:32 |
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