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XRevan86Same meaning, same wording, so here it's definitely not arseApr 30 00:00
MinceRwiktionary says the "ass" form of "arse" is not an euphemismApr 30 00:00
MinceRhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ass#EnglishApr 30 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ass - WiktionaryApr 30 00:00
XRevan86MinceR: They can shove that opinion up their arseApr 30 00:00
MinceRs/an /a /Apr 30 00:00
MinceRlolApr 30 00:01
MinceRthey can also shove it into a donkeyApr 30 00:01
XRevan86MinceR: ass's arse?Apr 30 00:01
MinceRit also says that it has a slang meaning of one's self, which might have to do with its use in "badass"Apr 30 00:02
XRevan86MinceR: That it's a phonetic spelling doesn't make it not a euphemism. Something made this preferred.Apr 30 00:02
MinceRnon-rhotic pronunciation made it preferredApr 30 00:02
MinceRthey didn't pronounce the 'r' so they didn't write itApr 30 00:02
kingoffrancewhats dark about it is nowadays it is a threat; back then apparently it was actually humane :)   saying you will go the utmostApr 30 00:03
MinceRi fail to see "humane" as a good thingApr 30 00:03
schestowitz[22:54] <XRevan86> cubexyz: But one thing is quite dated: he calls himself a negro.Apr 30 00:03
schestowitzmany black people still do, with different spellingApr 30 00:03
MinceRalso, if it was a line you weren't supposed to cross, then it would have been more acceptable to _not_ beat the crap out of someoneApr 30 00:03
kingoffrance"humane" in sense of "threatening with maximum legally allowed"Apr 30 00:03
schestowitzand it doesn't need to be seen as an insult, though it became one because of who was using it and the contextApr 30 00:03
XRevan86MinceR: There are many other words that feature an "r" without a leading vowel.Apr 30 00:04
MinceRstill, that would be threatening with _more_ than the legal maximumApr 30 00:04
XRevan86schestowitz: The n-word is still around, but "negro"?Apr 30 00:04
MinceR"negro" is still around as wellApr 30 00:04
XRevan86The n-word is occasionally spelt non-rhotically, but the main spelling is still here.Apr 30 00:06
schestowitzXRevan86: it just means dark/blackApr 30 00:06
schestowitzrianne grew up in an island called NegrosApr 30 00:06
schestowitzand there's nothing wrong with calling it what it isApr 30 00:07
schestowitzthere are wines called that tooApr 30 00:07
schestowitzit can refer to a lot of thingsApr 30 00:07
XRevan86schestowitz: I know, it still got superseded by "black person", has it notApr 30 00:07
schestowitzthat can change over timeApr 30 00:07
XRevan86That is true.Apr 30 00:07
schestowitzmaybe one day "gay" will mean African originApr 30 00:07
schestowitzand negro will mean homosexualApr 30 00:07
schestowitzalthough it is not likelyApr 30 00:07
schestowitzbecause the words and the connotations are too far apartApr 30 00:08
MinceRGNAA?Apr 30 00:08
XRevan86schestowitz: Now that's not very likely, that got mainstream enough.Apr 30 00:08
schestowitzMinceR: don't get started.......Apr 30 00:08
MinceR:)Apr 30 00:08
schestowitzremember when atheists wanted the word "bright"?Apr 30 00:08
MinceRyesApr 30 00:08
MinceRwhat happened to it?Apr 30 00:08
schestowitzwell, now when I heard this word I think pedophileApr 30 00:08
schestowitzbecause of Microsoft PeterApr 30 00:08
MinceRthat's only because of that one microsloth shillApr 30 00:09
schestowitzyupApr 30 00:09
XRevan86schestowitz: Never heard of thatApr 30 00:09
XRevan86MinceR: So English has a very conservative spelling system, yet this one word is a very special exception that despite prevalence got from being less ambiguous to being more ambiguousApr 30 00:10
MinceRit would have, if people commonly used "ass" to mean "donkey" nearly as much as they used "donkey"Apr 30 00:11
MinceRbut they don'tApr 30 00:11
XRevan86MinceR: Something tells me that's connected, like a human centipede, through the arse %).Apr 30 00:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Virginia Tech's "Popcorn Linux" For Distributed Thread Execution Seeking Feedback, Possible Upstreaming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137002 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f821931d-16c7-49f6-a781-5c5580b48d04]Apr 30 00:12
MinceRlolApr 30 00:12
XRevan86MinceR: One interesting property of euphemisms is that they kill the original word.Apr 30 00:13
MinceRdo they?Apr 30 00:13
XRevan86MinceR: You've given examples yourself, of the church folk being unaware of sexual innuendoApr 30 00:14
MinceRbut we are aware of itApr 30 00:15
schestowitzLarabel doing Microsoft spam again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Shader-Conductor-0.3Apr 30 00:15
MinceRand sane people in general areApr 30 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Releases Shader Conductor 0.3 For Its Shader Cross-Compiler - PhoronixApr 30 00:15
schestowitzno reason to post this imhoApr 30 00:15
MinceRthough we are in the minorityApr 30 00:15
MinceRmoronix being against free software again? well, i never!Apr 30 00:15
schestowitzI was going to say moronixApr 30 00:15
schestowitzbut did notApr 30 00:15
schestowitzas that would devalue much of the good the site doesApr 30 00:16
XRevan86MinceR, schestowitz didn't appreciate "nature's calling" despite that being unambiguous in the context %).Apr 30 00:16
MinceRthe site itself devalues itApr 30 00:16
schestowitz:-)Apr 30 00:16
schestowitzXRevan86: funny story about that oneApr 30 00:16
schestowitzthere was once a romanian bloggerApr 30 00:16
schestowitzberangerApr 30 00:16
schestowitzhe vanished ages ago, was active 2007 or soApr 30 00:16
schestowitzthen on twitter, then vanishedApr 30 00:17
schestowitzused to blog in english, french more...Apr 30 00:17
schestowitzand there was a misunderstanding in his blog about "nature calls"Apr 30 00:17
schestowitzbut prior to that I already knew the connotationApr 30 00:17
schestowitzI think there's a benign oneApr 30 00:17
schestowitzbut it got mixed with the whole, "I need to pee"Apr 30 00:17
XRevan86schestowitz: Was he cancelled for that like Stallman?Apr 30 00:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME: Yaru Icon Set and Story of a Bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137003 #gnome #gtk #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/122da528-9c58-44f6-9c3c-aefb9d46d9e1]Apr 30 00:21
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QkLDUgJJyFkLMVKneDgbnvlQ >Apr 30 00:22
DaemonFC[m]---Apr 30 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Oops.Apr 30 00:22
DaemonFC[m]That was for WGN Chicago about the landlords saying they'd be "flexible".Apr 30 00:22
XRevan86I'm still very annoyed by what happened to RMS, because of how it blew up out of a misread sentence. He didn't even mess up the wording, just didn't "make it absolutely clear" as dictors say.Apr 30 00:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review - # Fedora 32http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137001#comment-24836 #ibm [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e4d5c8f-15e2-4c1b-bbb7-6fb98f6ee9a7]Apr 30 00:23
MinceRand it will keep happening as long as we let crybullies have power over our communityApr 30 00:24
schestowitzXRevan86: noApr 30 00:24
schestowitzhe had blog issuesApr 30 00:24
schestowitzdepressionApr 30 00:24
schestowitzalso did not succeed much on social mediaApr 30 00:24
MinceRor corporations, which are known to use crybullies to target the free software community.Apr 30 00:24
XRevan86So easy to re-read, so easy to verifyApr 30 00:25
schestowitzso the site went away, he ebbed away too, later I saw him using another name/identity, then nothing.... but he was a VERY clever person and a loss not to have online... though he often blaster gnu/linux because he found some things about it frustratingApr 30 00:25
MinceRyet he did not say anything negative about cancerdApr 30 00:26
schestowitzXRevan86: I have a piece about RMS coming soonApr 30 00:26
MinceRmaybe they blackmailed him like LinusApr 30 00:26
schestowitzyou can see my message to ConservancyApr 30 00:26
schestowitz"Apr 30 00:26
schestowitzHi @conservancy / @mastodon.technology/@conservancyApr 30 00:26
schestowitzI am doing a story about Copyleft Conf and wish to politely ask you for reasons -- chance to respond/comment -- why you deemed Microsoft a proper top sponsor (Platinum Sponsors) for such an eventApr 30 00:26
schestowitz"Apr 30 00:27
schestowitz'Apr 30 00:27
schestowitzanti-GPL companyApr 30 00:27
schestowitzPlatinum Sponsors: #microsoftApr 30 00:27
schestowitzThat's Software Freedom Conservancy, which pushed Richard Stallman out of @FSF  Apr 30 00:27
schestowitzalso Salesforce, whose staff did the sameApr 30 00:27
schestowitznot for the first time (we mentioned this before, after the first such event)Apr 30 00:27
schestowitz"Apr 30 00:27
schestowitz"Apr 30 00:27
schestowitzto keep money coming next year as well they might as well be careful what they publicly say about Microsoft and about its record Apr 30 00:27
schestowitzless than "slush funds" to MicrosoftApr 30 00:27
schestowitzin politics this is how the most classic and likely most common form of bribery worksApr 30 00:27
schestowitz"Apr 30 00:27
schestowitzmy notes for this articleApr 30 00:27
schestowitzI want to hear their excuse before typing it upApr 30 00:27
schestowitzthey probably won't respondApr 30 00:27
schestowitzthen I'll say, we reached out for comment, they refuse to even explain\Apr 30 00:28
MinceRmaybe they're like the Linux-Destroying FoundationApr 30 00:28
XRevan86Microsoft is not openly anti-GPL as say Apple, so you'll have to elaborate on that.Apr 30 00:28
schestowitzMinceR: maybe trying toApr 30 00:28
schestowitzon a lower budgetApr 30 00:28
schestowitzXRevan86: it isApr 30 00:28
schestowitzapple isn't funding blackduckApr 30 00:28
schestowitzsnykApr 30 00:28
schestowitzwhitesourceApr 30 00:28
schestowitzand all those anti-GPL liarsApr 30 00:28
schestowitzand the anti-GPL github-based 'studies'Apr 30 00:28
schestowitzthose are all MicrosoftApr 30 00:29
schestowitzApple just don't like GPL on its platformsApr 30 00:29
schestowitzbut it doesn't go out of its way to badmouth it at every turnApr 30 00:29
schestowitzthat's what Microsoft doesApr 30 00:29
MinceRcrApple bans GPL-ed applications (made by others) from their platformsApr 30 00:29
schestowitzalso, afaik APple isn't a GPL violatorApr 30 00:29
schestowitzMicrosoft got caught several timesApr 30 00:29
MinceRcrApple is also screwing with people trying to run Xonotic on macOSApr 30 00:31
MinceRof course this could simply be because they're laughably incompetentApr 30 00:32
XRevan86schestowitz: "caught several times” That was the "old" Microsoft, "new" Microsoft is all about Extending its hands to Embrace in a hug.Apr 30 00:32
schestowitzWould SFC turn down Apple money?Apr 30 00:32
schestowitzDid it?Apr 30 00:32
schestowitzI think it misses the pointApr 30 00:32
MinceRriiiiiiight, the "new" microsoftApr 30 00:33
schestowitzas you could change the question to name like 12 companiesApr 30 00:33
schestowitzand that would not simplify thingsApr 30 00:33
MinceRhave they stopped blackmailing android device vendors into including microshit malware on their devices?Apr 30 00:33
schestowitznew Microsoft is the novel of coronavirusApr 30 00:33
XRevan86MinceR: They just forgot since the old days, or didn't get to it, or… *runs away with a jetpack*Apr 30 00:34
MinceRlolApr 30 00:34
XRevan86MinceR: As for "ass" as "self" that's clearly arse, as in "get your ass of the couch" it's pretty obvious what action is expected.Apr 30 00:36
XRevan86* offApr 30 00:36
MinceR"self" or "person"Apr 30 00:36
MinceRwell, whateverApr 30 00:37
MinceRit's certainly more amusing to interpret it as "arse" in such sentencesApr 30 00:37
MinceR"get your ass in here" (but i don't particularly care where the rest of you ends up)Apr 30 00:37
XRevan86MinceR: It's definitely arse hereApr 30 00:37
MinceRXRevan86: if you told someone to get their ass off the couch and they turned to lie on their stomach, would that satisfy you? :>Apr 30 00:39
XRevan86I guess it's to show complete disregard to the person as a whole, to diminish just to the arse.Apr 30 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: That's just adding padding %)Apr 30 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: And really you could just go from the opposite, since there are just the two literal meanings.Apr 30 00:42
XRevan86And donkeys make no sense here at all.Apr 30 00:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Connect up to 32 Relays to Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136938#comment-24837 [https://pleroma.site/objects/089479c3-044d-40a1-80f3-9b74758220ae]Apr 30 00:44
schestowitzcount the buzzwords https://thenewstack.io/how-serverless-accelerates-devsecops/Apr 30 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | How Serverless Accelerates DevSecOps – The New StackApr 30 00:49
schestowitzlolApr 30 00:49
MinceRlolApr 30 00:49
XRevan86> DevSecOpsApr 30 00:49
schestowitzmakes me hate "AYE TEE"Apr 30 00:49
XRevan86It evolved.Apr 30 00:50
schestowitzI was watching some videos lately about kubernetesApr 30 00:50
schestowitzit's ridiculousApr 30 00:50
schestowitzthe buzzwords they useApr 30 00:50
schestowitz"App"Apr 30 00:50
schestowitzapparently everything running on a big server is now "app"Apr 30 00:50
schestowitzapache? app.Apr 30 00:50
schestowitzkvm? app.Apr 30 00:50
schestowitzlolApr 30 00:50
schestowitzwtf !!!Apr 30 00:50
schestowitzthat 'clown computing' 'thangApr 30 00:51
schestowitzhipsters and diversity-oriented marketing "communications" staffApr 30 00:51
schestowitzthey're everywhere nowApr 30 00:51
kingoffrancei always thought for many places DevOps was redundant, because admins many times double as devs and db manager etc. anyways;    so it kind of struck me as "people were complaining about things not in their job title, so we made a vague "everything" job title for everyone"Apr 30 00:51
XRevan86schestowitz: How many bash apps do you typically use?Apr 30 00:51
schestowitzand they change the language to make dumb folks look "smart"Apr 30 00:51
schestowitzor sound smartApr 30 00:52
kingoffrancei.e. i never thought "devops" actually changed anythingApr 30 00:52
schestowitzkingoffrance: YESApr 30 00:52
kingoffranceit always struck me as a "shove more stuff under one title"Apr 30 00:52
schestowitzI said the same many timesApr 30 00:52
kingoffrancelolApr 30 00:52
schestowitzthey want the admins to also write code for the same salary and vice versaApr 30 00:52
schestowitzmore training and education, same payApr 30 00:52
schestowitzwake up your programmer 1amApr 30 00:52
schestowitz"server down buddy"Apr 30 00:52
kingoffrancewell i was an "analyst" because devops didnt existApr 30 00:52
schestowitz"but I'm a programmer"Apr 30 00:53
schestowitz"NOOO!"Apr 30 00:53
kingoffrancebut that is basically what it was "something breaks, go fix"Apr 30 00:53
schestowitzYou're DEv... OOOOOOPS!"Apr 30 00:53
schestowitz"now GET UP"'Apr 30 00:53
schestowitz"dude, if I'ma  devoos"Apr 30 00:53
schestowitz"then you're manager-janitor"Apr 30 00:54
schestowitz"now go dust off my desk, 'boss'...."Apr 30 00:54
kingoffranceyepApr 30 00:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: Bitcoin, Buzzwords, and Ubuntu LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137004 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c73cbe26-529e-41f6-a4d9-6556f6f3571b]Apr 30 00:56
kingoffrancei suppose doing multiple roles doesnt bother me per se, except when i was in school the oracle db admins would go on and on about how they are a special role deserving of special pay, etc.Apr 30 00:57
kingoffranceso when i entered workforce and i got to be "db admin" with no experience was a little strangeApr 30 00:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Possibly the reason Fedora 32 is so stable is that the Collapse-o-Virus pushed a lot of huge changes back to the Fedora 33 cycle.Apr 30 00:58
XRevan86kingoffrance: Hah, just like 1CApr 30 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Just a guess. The Link Time Optimization Change got knocked back.Apr 30 00:58
XRevan861C accounting is also a special professionApr 30 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Probably results in a better F33 too, honestly. The FLTO flag was going to go in with GCC 10.0 all at once.Apr 30 00:59
DaemonFC[m]By the time F33 goes out, undoubtedly some GCC bugs related to LTO get fixed upstream.Apr 30 00:59
MinceRlol @ manager-janitorApr 30 00:59
kingoffrancewell i think even in the oracle people at the time thought ms db stuff was not usable for anything seriousApr 30 01:02
XRevan86kingoffrance: MS DB? MS Access and MSSQL Server?Apr 30 01:02
kingoffrancei mean, for zero cost   <free ms db lite> <mysql whatever>      i think even the oracle people were much more open to non-ms stuff Apr 30 01:03
kingoffrancejust because they thought ms db tech was not seriousApr 30 01:03
kingoffranceeven the "highend" stuffApr 30 01:03
XRevan86What is ms db?Apr 30 01:04
kingoffrancethis was years ago, probably accessApr 30 01:04
kingoffrancedecades agoApr 30 01:04
kingoffranceit was just strange to me, because there was no unix/bsd in those schoolsApr 30 01:04
kingoffrancebut there were still pockets of people who didnt like ms Apr 30 01:04
kingoffranceeven if everything they taught was all msApr 30 01:05
XRevan86kingoffrance: Well, if they used Oracle DB, why would the competing crap be appealling to them.Apr 30 01:05
XRevan86kingoffrance: I've had some exposure (syntax) to Access this month. It's beyond idiotic.Apr 30 01:06
cubexyzthere was lots of non-m$ stuffApr 30 01:06
cubexyzsun, vax, ibm, etcApr 30 01:06
XRevan86[foo] Like("mask* symbol?")Apr 30 01:06
XRevan86That is MS Access for "foo" LIKE 'mask% symbol_'Apr 30 01:07
cubexyzHP-UX has been around since 1984Apr 30 01:07
XRevan86And that piece of shit claims to be SQL.Apr 30 01:08
MinceRlolApr 30 01:08
MinceRi loved how access happily put spaces and accented characters in table names and column namesApr 30 01:09
MinceRand then the forms it created choked on themApr 30 01:09
MinceRand the only way to fix anything was to redo everything from startApr 30 01:09
XRevan86MinceR: They forgot the quotation marks ([ ])?Apr 30 01:09
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Apr 30 01:10
MinceRit was ages agoApr 30 01:10
XRevan86(some call them square brackets, but in this case they're quotation marks)Apr 30 01:11
MinceRlike how "commas" in microsuck CSV look like this: ;Apr 30 01:12
MinceR?Apr 30 01:12
MinceR(possibly only if your locale uses decimal commas, i couldn't bear their crap long enough to figure it out)Apr 30 01:12
kingoffrancei guess the programming stuff was all ms, but some java;  so the school stuff ran on java on solaris ...and they didnt think linux or bsd was ready...and their java stuff kept crashing....but at the same time, they werent about to run it on ms stuff :)  so that is why it was funny to meApr 30 01:12
MinceRlolApr 30 01:13
kingoffrancethey were watching linux with a cautious eye, but they couldnt even get their java stuff to work on expensive solaris boxes reliablyApr 30 01:13
XRevan86MinceR: No, in a sense that for quotation marks in real SQL they use square brackets.Apr 30 01:13
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XRevan86for escaping identifiersApr 30 01:14
cubexyzXerox Star had problems tooApr 30 01:14
cubexyzprobably IBM mainframes were the most reliableApr 30 01:15
XRevan86At least there's some sense of adequacy in MariaDB using `` for that purpose.Apr 30 01:17
XRevan86MinceR: What is a decimal comma though? 10,000 to mean 10 000?Apr 30 01:19
XRevan86or 0,001 to mean 0.001?Apr 30 01:19
cubexyzwho uses decimal point for 10,000?Apr 30 01:20
cubexyzok, china, japan, malaysia, etcApr 30 01:23
MinceRXRevan86: the latterApr 30 01:24
XRevan86Okay, now I know that a decimal point is very British/Imperial.Apr 30 01:27
XRevan86Even here %).Apr 30 01:27
XRevan86Oh well, doesn't really matter that one.Apr 30 01:28
XRevan86"10,000,000" is annoying though.Apr 30 01:29
cubexyzXRevan86, how would Russians write 10,000,000?Apr 30 01:29
XRevan86cubexyz: 10 000 000, as ISO prescribesApr 30 01:30
cubexyzah I seeApr 30 01:30
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aceHello, I'm using DBAN to wipe an HDD. I'm currently using the RCMP setting on there, which is 8 passes. Is that good enough to securely erase a hard drive? I saw an option on there called the Gutmann Wipe, which does 35 passes, but it seems overkill.Apr 30 01:33
aceDarik's Boot and NukeApr 30 01:33
XRevan86Years pass and not a single person noted that I consistently only use ISO dates, it is that invisible to the eye.Apr 30 01:34
XRevan86Could be because humans don't have good horizontal order perception.Apr 30 01:35
XRevan86endiannessApr 30 01:35
cubexyzyes YYYY-MM-DD is more logicalApr 30 01:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Snapdragon 660 module has tiny LGA form factor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137005 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a89f9678-9472-4303-ad40-5c3cc38568de]Apr 30 01:36
XRevan86cubexyz: I dared to straight up alter settings on a person's Windows, and that went unnoticedApr 30 01:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137006 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4aa44f56-9d77-4ec5-b96c-982657553743]Apr 30 01:37
XRevan86The clock on the panel shows the current date.Apr 30 01:37
cubexyzXRevan86, has long as the month is written out alphabetically there's no ambiguityApr 30 01:37
kingoffranceYYYY-MM-DD sorts easier IMO.   i tend to prefix e.g. filenames that way for that reason  ;  a side from any logicalness, way more convenient IMOApr 30 01:38
kingoffrances/a side/aside/Apr 30 01:38
XRevan86cubexyz: It was one way for years, then it's suddenly flipped, but that's not noticeable %)Apr 30 01:38
XRevan86to that personApr 30 01:39
cubexyzXRevan86, I'd much rather screenshots showed the 4 digit year, that way I know what era it is fromApr 30 01:39
XRevan86It is noticeable to me however, because I care about what is better, and ISO dates are superior.Apr 30 01:40
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cubexyzace, I doubt anyone outside of a spy agency could recover data even after one pass of DBAN, and even then it's dubiousApr 30 01:41
XRevan86Another observation: one person timestamped deadlines with YYYY-MM-DD several times, and then in their last message they wrote it as DD-MM-YYYY.Apr 30 01:41
cubexyzoh well everyone is too impatient Apr 30 01:41
XRevan86Seems like an unintentional screw-up, because there's no such legit format in existence.Apr 30 01:42
MinceRi thought there was, except for the dashes, maybeApr 30 01:43
XRevan86in that order with dashes. I saw that on dashcams (pun unintended) several times weirdlyApr 30 01:43
kingoffranceyeah, dd-mm-yyyy is "logical" (ascending) and would "sort" easy too, but big endian (descending) looks better IMOApr 30 01:44
XRevan86MinceR, kingoffrance: It's about the dashes.Apr 30 01:44
MinceRdd-mm-yyyy would sort easily if you also reversed the numbersApr 30 01:44
cubexyzXRevan86, there's even middle-endian: month, day, yearApr 30 01:44
cubexyzsome countries do use thatApr 30 01:44
XRevan86kingoffrance: It's not as logical, because it fails to sort right as part of date time.Apr 30 01:45
MinceRso, today would be 03-40-0202Apr 30 01:45
XRevan86cubexyz: Some countries: the United States of AmericaApr 30 01:45
cubexyzyou're assuming people are rational :)Apr 30 01:45
cubexyzin Canada, yes we are supposed to use ISO 8601 for numeric datesApr 30 01:46
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XRevan86YYYY-MM-DD HH:mm:SS – that descends nicely all the way.Apr 30 01:47
cubexyzyou could use julian dates, just count the daysApr 30 01:48
cubexyzso YYYY-JJJApr 30 01:48
XRevan86cubexyz: What does that change?Apr 30 01:49
XRevan86Ascending dates still don't blend well with time no matter where you put itApr 30 01:49
cubexyzXRevan86, I don't know, but astronomers use itApr 30 01:49
XRevan86cubexyz: Ah, that was just a fun fact :)Apr 30 01:50
MinceRyou could use unix timestamps and just count the secondsApr 30 01:50
cubexyzah, I think for Earth using years is fine :)Apr 30 01:50
XRevan86MinceR: "just count" – it's not that easy you knowApr 30 01:50
cubexyznow Mars might be a bit tricky :)Apr 30 01:50
MinceRsure, but having more than one numbers means you can have them in multiple ordersApr 30 01:51
XRevan86Accounting for real world UTC is tricky.Apr 30 01:51
MinceRyou could just use TAIApr 30 01:52
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oiaohmUniveral space time system is going to be a complex mess.Apr 30 02:55
scientesoh god. I just did a survey in English, and all the damn funny non-metric unitsApr 30 03:10
scientesoiaohm, Apr 30 03:10
scientes<oiaohm> Univeral space time system is going to be a complex mess.Apr 30 03:10
scientesnot really, because time is not even astronomical anymoreApr 30 03:10
scientes<cubexyz> in Canada, yes we are supposed to use ISO 8601 for numeric datesApr 30 03:11
scientes^only correct answerApr 30 03:11
scientesthe americans are also crazy here, and don't think it is for a good reasonApr 30 03:11
scienteslike they use "first name" and "last name" because they were not as sophisticated when big gov. came under WW2 as the britsApr 30 03:12
scientesuggh, I hate it when people from US ask my weight or heightApr 30 03:13
scientesI just think to myself "switch to the fucking metric system!"Apr 30 03:13
oiaohmscientes: think clock sync between solar systems.Apr 30 03:25
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scientesoiaohm, let the aliens think about that oneApr 30 03:28
oiaohmYes that is the other factor.Apr 30 03:29
oiaohmIf their are aliens we can be sure they will have their own time system.Apr 30 03:29
oiaohmtheir/thereApr 30 03:29
scientesno, more like "not my problem"Apr 30 03:29
scientesthose are the alien's problemsApr 30 03:29
oiaohmIt would be really stupid if we end up with a interspace war over time.Apr 30 03:30
oiaohmWith the history of humans having wars over stupid things it not off the cards.Apr 30 03:31
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scientesheheheheheheApr 30 03:31
scienteshow many clocks fit on the head of a pin?Apr 30 03:31
scientesPeople use that as an example of dumb theological questions, but you have to realize that few could write.Apr 30 03:32
scientesso they were really expressing how their shame was an impediment to the vainity of they, the few, having some interest in this obscure art of writingApr 30 03:32
scientesand then in the 18th century, we started this cargo cult of English spellingsApr 30 03:33
scientesand ever since have been trying to keep up the pretense of the Victorian golden age/Issac Newton industrial revolutionApr 30 03:33
oiaohmscientes: would have to be a fairly large pin to fit one if you mandate mechanical.   https://www.catawiki.com/stories/4753-from-longines-to-gucci-5-of-the-smallest-watches-in-the-world Apr 30 03:34
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scientesnow, we did get Jane Austen from that, so I can't completely discredit it, and I love the English langugeApr 30 03:34
scientesbut we really should use unspell: http://unspell.blogspot.com/Apr 30 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unspell.blogspot.com | Project Unspell: Getting Started --- KEthN stArteTApr 30 03:34
oiaohmBut there are large enough pins to put a Jaeger-LeCoultre Calibre 101 on.Apr 30 03:34
scientesI need to get off the IRC and put some cave time into working on thatApr 30 03:34
scientesthere is even a nice phonetic English dictionaryApr 30 03:37
scienteslet me see if I can find it againApr 30 03:37
oiaohmscientes: so unspell return to English of Shakespeare time.  Yes Kat and Cat are equal in that time frame.Apr 30 03:38
scientesYeah, I have an algorithmic project that I was trying to work on, but my disinterest in women/Republic is making it hard to focus on, so something more linguisitic, like this phonetic translator might be easierApr 30 03:38
scientesoiaohm, lots more than thatApr 30 03:39
oiaohmShakespeare name on item is not spelt the same twice from that time frame.Apr 30 03:39
oiaohmPhonetically sounds the same but spelling all over the place. Apr 30 03:40
oiaohmModern English did not start off with strict spelling rules.Apr 30 03:41
oiaohmscientes: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/about/practical-english-usage/phonetic-alphabet  fun part technically the English alphabet is too small for English this is where the horrible spelling problem comes from.Apr 30 03:44
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scientes<oiaohm> Modern English did not start off with strict spelling rules.Apr 30 03:46
scientesIt started out as a side-business of printers during the Dutch golden ageApr 30 03:46
scienteswhen is Shakespeare's timeApr 30 03:46
cubexyz1564 to 1616Apr 30 03:47
cubexyzyears active: 1585-1613Apr 30 03:47
scientesthe dutch golden age starts before then, but yesApr 30 03:47
scientes(did not know those dates)Apr 30 03:47
cubexyzhe didn't live that long actuallyApr 30 03:48
cubexyz52 yearsApr 30 03:48
scienteshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_RevolutionApr 30 03:48
oiaohmdutch golden age is before modern english gets it rules.Apr 30 03:48
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scientescubexyz, that's a lot longer than JesusApr 30 03:48
scientesand pretty good for the time, especially England (New England has much better life expectancies)Apr 30 03:49
scientes(while slave-land sound had low life expectancies)Apr 30 03:49
scientesas I tell people: that's a different cultureApr 30 03:49
cubexyzyes, little help for the sick, elderly or orphans during the Elizabethan eraApr 30 03:50
scientesyes orphansApr 30 03:51
oiaohmold English a 29 char alphabet.    Modern English started with 27  Yes the & was a spoken letter and used as a mid letter in words.   Apr 30 03:51
oiaohmYes we have 26 now.Apr 30 03:51
scienteswhich figures prominently in both Charles Dickens (Great Expectations) and Victor Hugo (Lès Miserables), a few centuries laterApr 30 03:51
oiaohmThe alphabet has been shrinking.Apr 30 03:51
scientesoiaohm, except many sounds requires more than one characterApr 30 03:51
scientesand basically it is all fuckedApr 30 03:52
scienteslike English has many more than 5 vowelsApr 30 03:52
cubexyzampersand was a letter? wow, didn't know thatApr 30 03:52
scientescubexyz, the name means and per andApr 30 03:52
scientescubexyz, it comes from nursey rhyes of memorizing the lettersApr 30 03:52
oiaohmIf fun how we get to 29 to 27/26.    Modern alphabet is 23 from old english 6 were replaced with 3.     When alphabet was 27 6 was replace with 4.   Apr 30 03:54
scientesat least the numbers are the same across the whole worldApr 30 03:55
scientes(occasionally you see the Arabic versions, but that is rare)Apr 30 03:55
scientesas those were used during Arab golden ageApr 30 03:55
cubexyzI knew about thorn and ash but not &Apr 30 03:55
oiaohmWe had sound stacking at 29 alphabetApr 30 03:55
scientesbefore the Europe was even using decimal systemApr 30 03:55
cubexyzwhat caused the drop from 29 letters to 26?Apr 30 03:56
oiaohmcubexyz: the printing press.Apr 30 03:56
scienteslazy DutchApr 30 03:56
scientescubexyz, because Dutch doesn't have those lettersApr 30 03:57
cubexyzahaApr 30 03:57
oiaohmcubexyz: think for moveable type in the first printing presses you need boxes and boxes of letters.Apr 30 03:58
scientesWhen I was in a museum in Tblisi they had hand-copied Greek bibles from long after New Spain (Bogota) had printed Latin biblesApr 30 03:58
oiaohmSo the more letters you had in a alphabet the more boxes you need Apr 30 03:59
scientesAmsterdam, and later England and Manchester were WAY ahead of the rest of the worldApr 30 03:59
scientesand I guess later Philidelphia and New York and San FranciscoApr 30 03:59
oiaohmSome ways its lucky we did not end up as langage as morse.Apr 30 03:59
scientesI was some Philidelphia wood-working steel equitment in Costa RicaApr 30 04:00
oiaohmAs that would have reduced the count of letters required way down.Apr 30 04:00
scientesand it a awe-inspiring thing to seeApr 30 04:00
scientesthey also had German printing presses in Arequipa and Lima that were quite something to seeApr 30 04:01
oiaohmChina held on to more letters because they started out different printing.   Caved into wood printing.Apr 30 04:01
oiaohmyes where you would carve a complete page into a slab of wood.Apr 30 04:01
oiaohmThen print from that.Apr 30 04:01
scientesoiaohm, and later lithographsApr 30 04:01
scienteslike MC EscherApr 30 04:01
oiaohmremember latter lithographs were having to match the production that the slab wood printing provided.Apr 30 04:02
oiaohmSo they were not able to cut letters.\Apr 30 04:02
oiaohmas simply.Apr 30 04:02
scientesand then it all got turned to microfilm, but no-body ever really cared about microilmApr 30 04:02
scientesas it was always an ivory tower thingApr 30 04:03
scientesand these days copyright prevents that stuff from going onto the internetApr 30 04:03
oiaohmBasically printing tech is to blame for current alphabets in a lot of ways.Apr 30 04:03
scientesnahApr 30 04:03
scientesits all the Dutch's faultApr 30 04:03
oiaohmEU language yes.    The insane number of letters in japan and china go back to the wood slab printing.Apr 30 04:04
scientesthe IBM keyboard was very influencial in programming languages, to this dayApr 30 04:04
scientesoiaohm, they are not letters howeverApr 30 04:04
scientesthey are compositions of radicalsApr 30 04:04
oiaohmChina is a mix of compositions of radicals and whole letters.Apr 30 04:05
oiaohmJapan is radicals.Apr 30 04:05
scientesbullApr 30 04:05
scientespeople that know Chinese say they can get by in JapanApr 30 04:06
scientesand read the signsApr 30 04:06
oiaohmyes that correct china uses a lot of the same radicals ie source in a lot of ways.Apr 30 04:06
oiaohmBut they also have whole letter where you cannot use the make of the symbol to read them in Chinese as well.Apr 30 04:06
oiaohmIe you have to know that X symbol is Y word.Apr 30 04:07
oiaohmChinese old you basically have everything.Apr 30 04:07
oiaohmYes you then have some of the X symbols that the order they are writen makes another word.Apr 30 04:08
scientesoiaohm, have you read the Han classic on learning to read?Apr 30 04:08
scientescause if you haven't you probably should shut upApr 30 04:08
oiaohmHan classic to read does not get you though historic chinese documents.Apr 30 04:08
oiaohmYou will run into what is called the X chars or the short hand of the time.Apr 30 04:09
oiaohmOf course those x chars have been put in modern day unicode.Apr 30 04:10
scientesugggh, I want this channel in spanishApr 30 04:10
oiaohmJapan has funny ones where ghost chars have got into unicode.   Ghost chars is someone wrote a word wrong and it got added to unicode.Apr 30 04:11
scientescause I use ad-block on internet commentsApr 30 04:11
scientesand Wikipedia, at least in English, is full of empire-defending-delusionalApr 30 04:12
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scienteslike people that think Libya is still a countryApr 30 04:13
scientesor IraqApr 30 04:13
oiaohmscientes: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/07/30/ghost-characters   There are 4 common known ghost chars in japan.   There is about 50 chinese X chars depending on the timeframe of document you are meaning have different meanings completely.Apr 30 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daringfireball.net | Daring Fireball: The Japanese Ghost Characters Haunting UnicodeApr 30 04:14
oiaohmYes completely different ways to say the x chars as well.Apr 30 04:14
scientesoiaohm, https://www.tofugu.com/japan/fart-scrolls/Apr 30 04:14
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scientesheh victorian-era-style censorship https://files.tofugu.com/articles/japan/2012-02-18-fart-scrolls/fart-screen.jpgApr 30 04:16
scientesas I was saying, we are still clinging to the English golden ageApr 30 04:16
scientes(and I guess the Dutch golden age too, in the way the global $$$ mafia works)Apr 30 04:16
oiaohmYes fart scrolls you can see in stuff like it in modern day japan anime.Apr 30 04:17
scientesoiaohm, yeah, but then it is stupidApr 30 04:17
scientesthis has the aura of being old, and the person had to collect all the dyes to color itApr 30 04:18
scienteslots more effort went inApr 30 04:18
oiaohmNot really early japan anime was all hand painted.Apr 30 04:18
oiaohmwhen you thinking that is per frame.Apr 30 04:18
oiaohmLot more work in the anime than the old fart scrolls in fact.Apr 30 04:19
oiaohmSo its been their sense of humour for a long time.Apr 30 04:19
oiaohmscientes: https://didyouknowfacts.com/kancho-butt-poking-game/   japan culture about buts stuff just get wacky.Apr 30 04:20
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kingoffrancei sometimes see  &c.    i assume that is == et cetera ?Apr 30 04:33
kingoffrancethat is another ampersand usage in old thingsApr 30 04:34
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scientes<kingoffrance> i sometimes see  &c.    i assume that is == et cetera ?Apr 30 05:03
scientesyesApr 30 05:03
scientesthat shows up in lithographsApr 30 05:03
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scientesahhhhApr 30 06:09
scientesI am so tired of how Firefox javascript locks upApr 30 06:09
scienteseven when i have 8 threadsApr 30 06:09
scientesthe efficiency of software is inversely proportional to the power of the developer's computerApr 30 06:09
scientespretty soon you will need a 50W CPU to do additionApr 30 06:10
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DaemonFC[m]VivaldiApr 30 07:03
schestowitzthe tablet or browser? ;-pApr 30 07:07
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schestowitziirc, there was a third thing in recent years called vivaldi, but I cannot recall what it wasApr 30 07:10
scientesschestowitz, pretty sure that was a KDE browser based on webkitApr 30 07:11
scientesbut that was a long time agoApr 30 07:11
scientesits really just firefox and chrome, and chrome is killed based on being preinstalled everywhere nowApr 30 07:11
scientesand they killed IE by playing hard-ball with YouTubeApr 30 07:12
scienteseven though Microsoft developers are pretty stubbourn and high-qualityApr 30 07:12
schestowitzscientes: possible, let me checkApr 30 07:12
schestowitzwould be odd if two browsers were called the same thoughApr 30 07:13
schestowitzthe kde tablet was called thatApr 30 07:13
schestowitzit never launched properly afaik, supply chain issue, like meizu and ubuntuApr 30 07:13
scientesahh its a kde thingApr 30 07:13
scientesschestowitz, yeah i was confusing with the tabletApr 30 07:13
scientesbecause KDE did have a browser (more recently than KHTML, which is the origin of webkit)Apr 30 07:13
schestowitzbut anyway, you could maybe you wikipedia to track down all products called "Tesla" something, "Vivaldi" somethingApr 30 07:14
scientesahh its just chrome-basedApr 30 07:14
schestowitzwhen the browsers launched it 'felt' like they were rising a FOSS wave they had lackedApr 30 07:14
scientesthe reality is that browsers are so big these days, that there will never be another browserApr 30 07:14
schestowitzthere's also unity, unity3d, unity desktopApr 30 07:14
scientesits just firefox, webkit, and chromiumApr 30 07:14
schestowitzlots of things with confusing and conflicting name, you could do a whole report on such stuff with name collisions in techApr 30 07:15
scientesand if you want your stuff to last, you need to reduce your used feature-setApr 30 07:15
schestowitzwhich should happenApr 30 07:15
scientesand basically think of Swartz's semantic web stuffApr 30 07:15
schestowitzwhat do we do with browsers anyway?Apr 30 07:15
schestowitz1. read newsApr 30 07:15
schestowitz2. check numbers of things onlineApr 30 07:16
schestowitz(mail we can do with a proper native client)Apr 30 07:16
schestowitzand you nowadays have many input types and screen sizesApr 30 07:16
schestowitzalthough small ones have "APPPPPPPPS" instead of browsersApr 30 07:16
schestowitzanyway, the issue is the sites themselbesApr 30 07:16
schestowitzthey become "Smart" (bloated)Apr 30 07:17
schestowitztechrights has mostly avoided that trap, just mostly...Apr 30 07:17
schestowitzwe still use css+js from around 2005Apr 30 07:17
schestowitzso very old browsers work very decently with the siteApr 30 07:17
scientesthe only bloated things I use is emailApr 30 07:17
scientesthe only decent native client is muttApr 30 07:17
schestowitzand there are fallbacks for no js and old css support levelApr 30 07:17
scientesotherwise the performance just sucksApr 30 07:17
schestowitzi could barely open thunderbird on my old laptopApr 30 07:18
schestowitzas it would suck in almost 3gb of ram to openApr 30 07:18
schestowitzthe machine had only 2bgApr 30 07:18
schestowitzhence swappingApr 30 07:18
schestowitzthen it would 'smoothen' and take 'only' 500mb or a bit lessApr 30 07:18
schestowitzthis is just to read some .mbox filesApr 30 07:19
schestowitzand render them, most of them are plain textApr 30 07:19
schestowitzthe only 'upside' is, that taught me to check email only once a day, sometimes lessApr 30 07:20
schestowitz(i'd start the software while going to make coffee)Apr 30 07:20
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M92kD0VzG3kApr 30 07:20
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schestowitzthis is new, but much of what he says here I found out years agoApr 30 07:20
schestowitzI also wrote about it, e.g. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2019/05/27/reply-in-large-batches/Apr 30 07:21
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schestowitzit's nice to see others reaching the same conclusion, then explaining their experienceApr 30 07:21
schestowitzlike, if you open mail just for some one message... and then a bunch of unrelated cruft flies in your face 'while at it....'Apr 30 07:21
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schestowitzwe have a big story coming:Apr 30 07:23
schestowitz> I can tell you a little more if you don't say you got it from me.Apr 30 07:23
schestowitzAny update on this?Apr 30 07:23
schestowitzxxxx wrote on 29/11/2019 05:34:Apr 30 07:27
schestowitz> I forgot the idea I had in mind!  I will have to see if it comes back yo me.Apr 30 07:27
schestowitz> :-{.Apr 30 07:27
schestowitzLast year you were going to tell me something as well (see date above), and then you forgot what it was or how to present it to me.Apr 30 07:27
schestowitzTake your time; it's better to be careful.Apr 30 07:27
schestowitzBasically, all we need is facts. Never mind where they came from (we can hide their source).Apr 30 07:27
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DaemonFC[m]The UK managed to turn into an even bigger COVID disaster than the US.Apr 30 07:43
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, I complained in MarchApr 30 08:12
schestowitzlockdowns too lateApr 30 08:13
schestowitzthey even kept all schools open for another week when they already knew it was a bad idea to keep them open at allApr 30 08:13
DaemonFC[m]We've got another problem. The Republicans are reopening entire states now.Apr 30 08:13
schestowitzplus, the Conservatives have attacked the NHS here for 10 years, which is how long they were in powerApr 30 08:13
schestowitzprivatising it and all, covertly, but obvious to people like me who work with NHSApr 30 08:14
DaemonFC[m]It's going to hit them very hard and frankly the only way we can reopen now is hope it burns through them fast.Apr 30 08:14
DaemonFC[m]It's forcing so many large employers to shut down that I don't know what the fuck these people are smoking.Apr 30 08:14
schestowitzeventually most people will get itApr 30 08:14
schestowitzbut the two factors areApr 30 08:14
schestowitz1) can you provide them with a bed and ICU stuff if they need itApr 30 08:15
DaemonFC[m]Does the healthcare system collapse or not, for one.Apr 30 08:15
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Apr 30 08:15
schestowitz2) can we improve their resistance, e.g. with weakened COVID before they get it for real, or antibodiesApr 30 08:15
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that people get that a forced reopening is not going to go over well.Apr 30 08:16
schestowitzpeople like us might get it, develop resistance and never even know itApr 30 08:16
DaemonFC[m]The economy will be crap anyway and more people will die.Apr 30 08:16
schestowitzok, wellApr 30 08:16
schestowitzrianne read about itApr 30 08:16
schestowitzaApr 30 08:16
schestowitzand she thinks politicians don't want to be first to reopenApr 30 08:16
schestowitzthey wait for other countries to be the first experimentApr 30 08:17
schestowitzand then see how that goeApr 30 08:17
schestowitz*when COVID 'flows free'Apr 30 08:17
schestowitz*after* a month of lockdownApr 30 08:17
schestowitzso they keep kicking the can down the roadApr 30 08:17
schestowitzour prospective date is May 7thApr 30 08:17
schestowitzfor staged reopeningApr 30 08:17
schestowitzlike people going to the office at different time to reduce human congestionApr 30 08:18
DaemonFC[m]Indiana is doing May 2nd everything allowed to reopen.Apr 30 08:18
schestowitzbut they can always cite high death toll, then say, "give us another 2 weeks"Apr 30 08:18
schestowitzmeanwhile they hope other countries will 'test' thisApr 30 08:18
schestowitzlike GermanyApr 30 08:18
DaemonFC[m]Illinois extended the emergency through May and said masks are mandatory inside essential businesses.Apr 30 08:18
schestowitzthis will be funApr 30 08:19
schestowitzI wonder when our gym will reopenApr 30 08:19
DaemonFC[m]The states are turning into experiments alright.Apr 30 08:19
schestowitzmeanwhile I got very good again at pushups, situps and squats with only bodyweightApr 30 08:19
DaemonFC[m]Why would you even go until this is over?Apr 30 08:19
schestowitzit'll never be "over"Apr 30 08:20
schestowitzeven if you "get rid of it"Apr 30 08:20
schestowitzit will come back in future seasonsApr 30 08:20
schestowitzyesterday rianne said she had read that to go on holiday you'd need to stay in quarantine for 14 dsysApr 30 08:20
DaemonFC[m]You know what I mean. Wall of death with nothing putting a crimp on it.Apr 30 08:20
schestowitzmaybe the same on way back, not sureApr 30 08:21
schestowitzso for one week's holiday you'll need to be a month away, mostly in self-isolation/lock-downApr 30 08:21
schestowitzand plane tickets might double in price anywayApr 30 08:21
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: trump doesn't mind deathApr 30 08:21
schestowitzhe'sa  sociopathApr 30 08:21
schestowitzhe sees death as political toolApr 30 08:22
schestowitzthis germophobeApr 30 08:22
DaemonFC[m]It's killing people who break heavily for Republicans.Apr 30 08:22
schestowitz2400+ death yesterdayApr 30 08:23
DaemonFC[m]So it's going to hurt his party a lot and maybe remove him too.Apr 30 08:23
schestowitzuk averages around 500-600Apr 30 08:23
schestowitzwhich still sucksApr 30 08:23
DaemonFC[m]There's still months until the election.Apr 30 08:23
schestowitzmore deaths than spain now, soon italy also...Apr 30 08:23
schestowitzmaybe next weelApr 30 08:23
schestowitz*weekApr 30 08:23
DaemonFC[m]It'll definitely skew things towards Biden.Apr 30 08:23
schestowitzbiden is not excitingApr 30 08:23
DaemonFC[m]Old people are the only group who ever was likely to vote for Trump anyway.Apr 30 08:23
DaemonFC[m]He's not, but people are furious with Trump right now.Apr 30 08:24
schestowitzis his 'base' also angry?Apr 30 08:24
DaemonFC[m]Trump voters aren't, but they'll keep denying it as it kills them.Apr 30 08:24
DaemonFC[m]So fuck them, honestly.Apr 30 08:24
schestowitzhow is bible belt and all doing?Apr 30 08:24
schestowitzrural/farming usland?Apr 30 08:24
DaemonFC[m]They're angry that we have a lockdown and are itching for in person church and shit again.Apr 30 08:24
DaemonFC[m]So if there is a second wave, guess who gets it?Apr 30 08:25
schestowitzlolApr 30 08:25
schestowitzso primitiveApr 30 08:25
schestowitzwithout SF, NYC etc. the US would be medievalApr 30 08:25
schestowitztheir whole economy seems to depend on the shore citiesApr 30 08:25
schestowitzanyway, we still have our jobsApr 30 08:25
DaemonFC[m]It's awful. Indianapolis is getting whacked hard and most people in Indiana are more worried about when the mall will open.Apr 30 08:26
schestowitzbut it would be disgusting to look at things from a selfish lensApr 30 08:26
DaemonFC[m]It's fucking retarded.Apr 30 08:26
schestowitzthose scopes miss the broader picApr 30 08:26
schestowitzwe cannot go to a proper gym etc.Apr 30 08:26
schestowitzthey also won't set up a washing machine for youApr 30 08:26
schestowitzours broke  down last week, I had to learn how to install the new one on my ownApr 30 08:26
schestowitz(which I did, but it took about an hour)Apr 30 08:27
DaemonFC[m]Part of me doesn't really care if they open up red states.Apr 30 08:27
DaemonFC[m]They just fucking die already and maybe Trump loses more.Apr 30 08:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: to some people, mall is lifweApr 30 08:27
DaemonFC[m]We'll be rid of a bunch of morons.Apr 30 08:27
schestowitzalmost literallyApr 30 08:27
schestowitzsome people have no flatApr 30 08:27
schestowitzthey have a roomApr 30 08:27
schestowitzso they need to go out for "space"Apr 30 08:27
schestowitzand I totally get thatApr 30 08:27
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that's us.Apr 30 08:28
schestowitzto them, sipping coffee somewhere is "better"Apr 30 08:28
DaemonFC[m]But even if there was a mall right now, hell no.Apr 30 08:28
schestowitzclaustrophobic otherwiseApr 30 08:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it is annoying.Apr 30 08:28
schestowitzalso noisy at house, parents or tenants who are noisy and who they dislikeApr 30 08:28
DaemonFC[m]Dying is worse. When will things go back to normal if you're dead?Apr 30 08:28
schestowitzlots of domestic violence lately, UN confirms with numbersApr 30 08:28
schestowitzwomen have no place to goApr 30 08:29
DaemonFC[m]People need to consider this. They go to the mall and then they kill their parents with the virus.Apr 30 08:29
schestowitzso they out up with verbal abuse and physical violence/threatsApr 30 08:29
schestowitzit's like prisons... without any wardsApr 30 08:29
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's everywhere. Yeah, and people are finding out they don't like their spouse that much after all.Apr 30 08:29
schestowitzand no assured meals, eitherApr 30 08:29
schestowitzsome lack a source of income, so even going down the road to the shop isn't an option until you plan to shopliftApr 30 08:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it's not that simpleApr 30 08:30
schestowitzan UNEMPLOYED spouseApr 30 08:30
schestowitzof which there are like, what? 40 million in the US now?Apr 30 08:30
schestowitz"leave that damn computer and do something other than FPS games all day!"Apr 30 08:31
schestowitz(but there's nothing else they can do really..)Apr 30 08:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Apr 30 08:31
DaemonFC[m]Divorce court is going to be busy when this is over.Apr 30 08:31
schestowitzbut waitApr 30 08:31
insmodppaschestowitz: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-chartsApr 30 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shadowstats.com | Alternate Unemployment ChartsApr 30 08:31
schestowitzthey can only wairApr 30 08:31
schestowitzwaitApr 30 08:31
schestowitzalmost nobody hires, I supposeApr 30 08:32
schestowitzany openings that exist are far too competitiveApr 30 08:32
schestowitzinsmodppa: goodApr 30 08:32
schestowitzI always wanted to see those chartedApr 30 08:32
schestowitzI've long spoken about how fake or at best misleading those numbers areApr 30 08:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Not so much really.Apr 30 08:33
schestowitzI know people here in their 50s who just quit working and looking for workApr 30 08:33
DaemonFC[m]Mandy got a job at Walmart immediately when this started.Apr 30 08:33
schestowitzthey call it early retirement to keep their dignity/self-respectApr 30 08:33
DaemonFC[m]I told him to apply before people started getting fired like crazy. LOLApr 30 08:33
schestowitzbut it is clear it was not their choiceApr 30 08:33
schestowitzinsmodppa: the charts need updatingApr 30 08:34
schestowitzit would not shock me if that shot up to 50% this monthApr 30 08:34
schestowitzI mean, what sectors DO work?Apr 30 08:34
DaemonFC[m]I don't even know if my psychiatrist will ever go back to his office.Apr 30 08:34
schestowitzIT? Barely. Some...Apr 30 08:34
schestowitzhealth, foodApr 30 08:34
DaemonFC[m]He called me in a bunch of refills.Apr 30 08:34
schestowitzexcept serving foodApr 30 08:34
schestowitzagra, shipping to stores, stores that sell foodApr 30 08:34
DaemonFC[m]I emailed him when I realized what was about to happen.Apr 30 08:35
schestowitzsport is weird tooApr 30 08:35
schestowitzengland football coach just stepped down suddenlyApr 30 08:35
schestowitzin all sports, why keep in shape now?Apr 30 08:35
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Georgia and Indiana are not the economy.Apr 30 08:35
schestowitzYou work super-hard, in poor facilitiesApr 30 08:35
DaemonFC[m]So if they reopen that's nice. What do they even do without us?Apr 30 08:36
schestowitzand you don't even know when you'll be back to competitingApr 30 08:36
schestowitzif at allApr 30 08:36
schestowitzand crowds won't want to be in a stadium for a whileApr 30 08:36
schestowitziirc, indiana made heavy metalsApr 30 08:36
schestowitzlike the jackson 5 family, steel factories and allApr 30 08:36
DaemonFC[m]I talked to mom. She said "Well, I agree with the Democrats on this one. They can reopen whatever they want. They can't make us go there."Apr 30 08:37
schestowitznot sure they still do it with detroit on the rocks and not demanding those materialsApr 30 08:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: trueApr 30 08:37
DaemonFC[m]She knows enough to be terrified of it.Apr 30 08:37
schestowitzthat's another aspect, confidenceApr 30 08:37
schestowitzyou open a storeApr 30 08:37
schestowitznobody comesApr 30 08:37
DaemonFC[m]She watched one of her patients die of it.Apr 30 08:37
schestowitzso you pay someone a salary to offer on sale things... that nobody wantsApr 30 08:38
schestowitzand you put your staff at riskApr 30 08:38
DaemonFC[m]People are fucking dumb. Like, dumb!Apr 30 08:38
schestowitzoh, madame harmone is a nurse/hospital worker?Apr 30 08:38
DaemonFC[m]Shares of AMC went up because movie theaters can reopen in a few states.Apr 30 08:38
DaemonFC[m]Nobody with a brain  in their head is going to go there.Apr 30 08:38
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we have two nurses in my familyApr 30 08:38
schestowitzmy grandma was one tooApr 30 08:38
schestowitzand they're terrified by what they seeApr 30 08:39
DaemonFC[m]Mom's a nurse at a nursing home.Apr 30 08:39
schestowitzthey say wear mask and gloves everywhereApr 30 08:39
schestowitzthey say, once you can't breathe for yourself, you're finishedApr 30 08:39
DaemonFC[m]Yes, they implemented all of the restrictions I suggested to her there.Apr 30 08:39
schestowitzcovid will eat your lungs, not the other way aroundApr 30 08:39
DaemonFC[m]Nobody else has tested positive or had symptoms, and that one lady was a few weeks ago.Apr 30 08:39
schestowitzlol, so odeon trending in twitter is about THAT?Apr 30 08:40
schestowitzI did not even clickApr 30 08:40
schestowitzcinemas can be niceApr 30 08:40
schestowitzbut not at this timeApr 30 08:40
DaemonFC[m]No, the way they're laid out is a disaster with a respiratory virus.Apr 30 08:40
schestowitzI don't know enoughApr 30 08:41
DaemonFC[m]Someone sneezes/coughs and it literally falls on everyone in front of them.Apr 30 08:41
schestowitzrianne's aunt even thing this thing was "made"Apr 30 08:41
schestowitzas in, engineered in a labApr 30 08:41
schestowitzshe is a nurse, she works in a covid unitApr 30 08:41
DaemonFC[m]It's an anti-China theory.Apr 30 08:41
schestowitzshe says it really does kill a lot of people, nothing "fake" about itApr 30 08:41
DaemonFC[m]We'll never know. Even if China knows, they'd lie if it showed they were incompetent or something and let it escape a lab.Apr 30 08:42
DaemonFC[m]You think they'd ever admit that? LOLApr 30 08:42
schestowitz[01:26] <schestowitz> > I've already read the article that says why it's not a GMO.Apr 30 08:42
schestowitz[01:26] <schestowitz> Every 50 or so years there's a major pandemic. Some kill millions. Some hundreds of millions. This predates microbiology science and never required a lab or human intervention. So common sense tells me that's as likely to be true as the old claims HIV/AIDS etc. were made by humans.Apr 30 08:42
schestowitz[01:26] <schestowitz> Also, you can find one climate scientist that will say global warming is a scam, but that's not a consensus, it's an outlier. And in the battle/debates over ideas the majority has a better story or evidence to show.Apr 30 08:42
schestowitzchina isn't benefiting from it, eitherApr 30 08:43
schestowitzand they fake "success" imhoApr 30 08:43
schestowitzthey don't export much at the momentApr 30 08:43
schestowitztheir economy can only sell rubbish "masks" nowApr 30 08:43
schestowitzmy inbox is full of spam like thatApr 30 08:43
DaemonFC[m]Well, because it's burning out of control there too and they're lying about it.Apr 30 08:46
DaemonFC[m]You know that, right?Apr 30 08:46
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: if something did get out of a lab its normally published by effected country with a full report into how.     Because if you don't and you cover it up you will end up with the screw up happening again.Apr 30 08:51
oiaohmChina has have other lab issues in the past.Apr 30 08:51
oiaohmBut every time a report on what went wrong turned up.Apr 30 08:51
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: previous escapes of the SARS virus at Chinese laboratories in Beijing << Its really simple to forgot this happened and the complete setup at Wuhan had been built from the ground up to prevent this.Apr 30 08:54
oiaohm Yes prior lab leaks you in china you have always had full reports into.   So why would this time be different.Apr 30 08:55
DaemonFC[m]Because, they're worse now than they were when SARS happened.Apr 30 08:59
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Sars leak in china was very bad.Apr 30 09:14
oiaohmReally odds that its a china lab leak without a report on the leak is insanely low Apr 30 09:14
oiaohmNow if this was a USA lab or a North Korra lab.... you could expect no report.Apr 30 09:15
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oiaohmReason if a china lab leaked as in the SARS virus case the lab wanted exact report so they could blame it on equipment or staff.Apr 30 09:16
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787 << there is one country documented for messing around with lab made covid-19 class viruses.  USA.Apr 30 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research : Nature News & CommentApr 30 09:21
oiaohmChina labs had more than enough natural sourced ones to be messing around with.Apr 30 09:22
oiaohmThere is old human bias.  If you are doing X you expect everyone else to be doing X even when you have no other evidence.Apr 30 09:23
Digit" scientists believe "Apr 30 09:35
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schestowitzDigit: this is how media puts itApr 30 11:27
schestowitznot how scientists put itApr 30 11:27
schestowitz"Scientists have shownApr 30 11:27
schestowitz"X and Y from Uni Z have demonstrated...Apr 30 11:27
schestowitz"Evidence shown, extracted from R, suggests...Apr 30 11:28
schestowitzThe word believes or believe is rarely used in actual papers that are peer-reviewedApr 30 11:28
schestowitzthat's just media being sceptical of scienceApr 30 11:28
schestowitzfor the two-side-ismApr 30 11:28
schestowitzscientists believeApr 30 11:29
schestowitzand OTHO David Ike believes...Apr 30 11:29
schestowitzIckeApr 30 11:29
Digitstill has that fallacious misleading hypnotic suggestive authoritative quality, changing from believe to have shown.  Apr 30 11:29
schestowitzsometimes it is shownApr 30 11:29
schestowitzunless it's a fraudApr 30 11:29
schestowitzlike faked data, faked resultsApr 30 11:29
Digit"scientists"Apr 30 11:29
schestowitzso they you assess the person and universityApr 30 11:30
schestowitzand their track record, how much they stand to lose from a fraudApr 30 11:30
schestowitzNature is very goodApr 30 11:30
Digit~Apr 30 11:30
schestowitzthey're rarely publishing false stuffApr 30 11:30
schestowitzvery strictApr 30 11:30
schestowitzto get a paper accepted by them is hardApr 30 11:30
DigityupApr 30 11:30
Digitso hard, there's probably more than a few babies thrown out with the bathwater.Apr 30 11:31
schestowitzyesApr 30 11:31
schestowitzfor safetyApr 30 11:31
Digitn_nApr 30 11:31
Digitfor scientism dogma.Apr 30 11:31
schestowitzto keep impact factorApr 30 11:31
schestowitzlancet sold out to bill gatesApr 30 11:31
schestowitzso they're nothing to me nowApr 30 11:31
schestowitzNature did not, afaikApr 30 11:31
schestowitzWHO and UN also sold out to corrupt GatesApr 30 11:32
schestowitzor rather taken overApr 30 11:32
schestowitzIEEE sameApr 30 11:32
schestowitzMicrosoft boostersApr 30 11:32
schestowitzdisguised as "engineering"Apr 30 11:32
Digiti still find all of them, even the best, not above conflicts of interest, in this economy.Apr 30 11:32
DigitWHO sold out hard to gates, but they kinda had their dubiousnesses already even before billinda foundation bought influence.Apr 30 11:33
schestowitzdoes anyone here have direct contacts with SF conservancy?Apr 30 11:34
schestowitzthey have not replies in Twitter and MastodonApr 30 11:34
schestowitznot even in their defenceApr 30 11:34
schestowitzand they'll suffer for itApr 30 11:34
schestowitzI want to give them a chance to explain their blunderApr 30 11:35
schestowitzMicrosoft corrupted themApr 30 11:35
Digiti dont recall seeing info on gates buying the UN... would love to know more... got any links about that?  *doing own searching ~ might be a day on this topic*Apr 30 11:35
schestowitzUN is WHOApr 30 11:35
schestowitzor WHO part of UNApr 30 11:35
schestowitzLots of things are, WIPO includedApr 30 11:35
schestowitzso if you control one you indirectly have a foot inside the othersApr 30 11:35
schestowitzMoon as UN chief was a mate of corrupt GatesApr 30 11:35
Digitmhmm, part.  just wondered how where gates influence goes up the UN heirarchies.Apr 30 11:35
schestowitzI did not keep track of Moon's successorsApr 30 11:36
schestowitzBut I imagine it was the sameApr 30 11:36
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/11/04/stuck-in-the-toilet/Apr 30 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even the UN Calls Out Bill Gates’ BS | TechrightsApr 30 11:36
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/02/09/western-agenda-africa/Apr 30 11:37
schestowitz\http://techrights.org/2008/06/27/bill-gates-un-politics/Apr 30 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | United Nations and World Bank Help Bill Gates and Microsoft Colonise Africa | TechrightsApr 30 11:37
schestowitzgates is no geek, he's a criminalApr 30 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quick Mention: Bill Gates’ Political Crusade Has Already Begun | TechrightsApr 30 11:37
schestowitzarrested, then became politicianApr 30 11:37
schestowitzand he's in my opinion the most dangerous oligarch, more than the koch brothers, one of whom diedApr 30 11:37
schestowitzthe living one bribed techdirtApr 30 11:37
MinceRsuccessfully?Apr 30 11:38
Digitthe rise of microsoft, the destruction of multiple entire industries, in in wake of microsoft's / bill gate's inscrupulous monopolist strategy.  the defining embodiment of "anti-competitive".  master of "embrace, extend extinguish", wherever it couldnt just clobber.  glad waybackmachine still has microsuck/fuckmicrosoft's page on what's so bad about microsoft anywayApr 30 11:39
schestowitzMinceR: yesApr 30 11:40
MinceR:(Apr 30 11:40
Digitworld domination.  total, domination.  as a goal.  we are in a lot of trouble.Apr 30 11:40
schestowitzthey even put up a banner celebrating this oil monsterApr 30 11:40
schestowitzas champion of "Freedom" and "speechApr 30 11:40
schestowitzlike the anti-regulation 'libertarian' (keeping "big gov" away from big biz"Apr 30 11:41
schestowitzthen again, techdirt has since then berated regulations many timesApr 30 11:41
schestowitze.g. against uber, facebookApr 30 11:41
schestowitzlike.... leave these wonderful innovative companies alone...Apr 30 11:41
schestowitzeven masnick himself wrote that crapApr 30 11:41
MinceRmicrosoft demonstrates very well how useless regulations areApr 30 11:41
schestowitzwait for my next articleApr 30 11:42
schestowitzWhen EPO Outsources Everything to Surveillance System of Microsoft and the NSAApr 30 11:42
MinceRthe state is inherently corrupt, you can't expect them to protect you against corporations or rich peopleApr 30 11:42
schestowitzafter that: Platinum Sponsors of Copyleft Conf Are Companies That Attack Copyleft's Father, Richard StallmanApr 30 11:42
schestowitzI gave brad kugn and "Ada" et al a chance to respondApr 30 11:42
schestowitzthey paint it as feminism and hip-hop and stuffApr 30 11:43
schestowitzwhile attacking stallman's legacyApr 30 11:43
schestowitz(I would not put it like this in the article)Apr 30 11:43
Digitregulators could be useful, if they were regulators, not deregulators bought by those they're supposed to regulate.   and so, who regulates the regulators?Apr 30 11:43
schestowitzThey also THANK and CONGRATULATE and celebrate "Ada"Apr 30 11:43
schestowitzas if. you know... "Ethics"Apr 30 11:43
schestowitzDigit: recursive issue, but it's the lesser e vilApr 30 11:43
schestowitzevilApr 30 11:43
schestowitzno regulation at all is corporatist anarchyApr 30 11:44
MinceRlynching would helpApr 30 11:44
Digityeah, having regulators is the worst method, except for not having regulators.Apr 30 11:44
schestowitzlike people who want "liberty" like owning slaves and machines gunsApr 30 11:44
schestowitzanyway, I am still typing these things upApr 30 11:44
MinceRhow would you defend yourself against a corrupt and armed state, if you didn't even have weapons?Apr 30 11:44
Digit"free to take away another's freedom" heh, yeah... that kind of "freedom".Apr 30 11:45
schestowitzwhilst checking and posting news links throughoutApr 30 11:45
schestowitzDigit: absolutely freedom is not possibleApr 30 11:45
schestowitzif might be possible if you own a whole planetApr 30 11:45
schestowitzbut even then you would need to eat somethingApr 30 11:45
DigitMinceR: even with weapons, how are you going to defend yourself against a corrupt and armed state?  dont they by definition have the bigger means at their disposal?   seems a losing strategy.  good question, if not rhetorical.Apr 30 11:45
schestowitzor bring in some energy sources from somewhereApr 30 11:46
MinceRDigit: giving up all power is not a good way to solve this problemApr 30 11:46
Digitfree and free alike.  not free to take away freedom.Apr 30 11:46
schestowitzDigit: that's why gov. is split into branchesApr 30 11:46
DigitMinceR: indeed.Apr 30 11:46
schestowitzin the US all branches seems to have collapsed onto oneApr 30 11:46
MinceRschestowitz: that's not workingApr 30 11:46
schestowitzcourts with political appointees, Barr in DoJ, Pentagon hawks of the demented orange.Apr 30 11:46
schestowitzDigit: the fuckers who said that owned slavesApr 30 11:47
schestowitzshot at the British and set off bombs on them... for freedomApr 30 11:47
schestowitzand then got back to their dozen of "negro" slavesApr 30 11:47
schestowitzso freedom is clearly NOT what they favouredApr 30 11:47
schestowitzonly some twisted slant of itApr 30 11:48
Digitusa's gov's a terrible example to build upon.  seemed set up by mostly plutocrats, slavers, chauvanists and supremicists.Apr 30 11:48
schestowitzbut nm....Apr 30 11:48
DigityepApr 30 11:48
MinceRit's one of the first "real" democraciesApr 30 11:48
MinceRand yet it has failedApr 30 11:48
schestowitz'Republic" technicallyApr 30 11:48
MinceRrepublic is a form of representative democracyApr 30 11:48
schestowitzbecause it sounds close enough to Repugnant, which is what it was and still isApr 30 11:48
MinceRit seems humans can't maintain democracyApr 30 11:48
schestowitzbombs of freedom... out and away, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam...Apr 30 11:49
schestowitzfor not respecting US "freedom" from 5000 miles awayApr 30 11:49
Digitlol.   i've been learning just how much more democratic many of the people already native were, before european kleptarchs came.  and how much of the enlightenment came from the "new world".Apr 30 11:49
schestowitznow they tell us 59,000 died in VietnamApr 30 11:49
schestowitzodd that one...Apr 30 11:49
schestowitzVietnam apparently has no humansApr 30 11:50
schestowitzonly US has humansApr 30 11:50
Digitway to go for usa being the first democracy.  lol.    by trampling on democracies, and fucking it up with an oligarchy n calling it a democracy.Apr 30 11:50
schestowitzNapalm doesn't kill people unless it goes off inside the planApr 30 11:50
schestowitz*planeApr 30 11:50
MinceRthey used to work betterApr 30 11:50
MinceRbut it's unsustainable with humansApr 30 11:50
schestowitzwe'll see what covid19 changesApr 30 11:50
schestowitzas it inevitably willApr 30 11:51
MinceRwe had one way of making the state maybe let people live, and it failedApr 30 11:51
schestowitzthe world has not been the same since 2008 eitherApr 30 11:51
MinceRit's time to give up on the stateApr 30 11:51
MinceRand stop pretending it's justifiedApr 30 11:51
schestowitzlots of austerity and poverty, still partying like it's 1990s except with massive national and personal debtApr 30 11:51
Digiti recently saw a bbc report on the rise n fall of labour.  ... when it came to iraq, they were all teary eyed about the 169 servicemen who gave their lives for that mistake, but not a peep about the >1,000,000 iraqis killed.Apr 30 11:51
schestowitznow people can't even get a job or confidence to enter a store unless it's to get a loaf of bread, which you then wash like manApr 30 11:51
schestowitz*madApr 30 11:51
schestowitzDigit: typicalApr 30 11:52
schestowitzNew Labour was Tory of OldApr 30 11:52
MinceRDigit: "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic"Apr 30 11:52
Digitoh, what a terrible mistake, blair made, joining usa's oil invasion... could have spared those 169 lives.   o_O   ethics goes boik.Apr 30 11:52
MinceR30 125058 < schestowitz> we'll see what covid19 changesApr 30 11:53
MinceRit's giving tyrants more excuses to clamp downApr 30 11:53
MinceRit already happened in hungaryApr 30 11:53
MinceRgoogle and apple also exploited it alreadyApr 30 11:53
MinceRand the death rate is so low it's unlikely to kill off humanity, unless it can re-infect peopleApr 30 11:53
DigitMinceR: yeah... i remember callum's list, when you could still see the faces, and read the stories of the attrocious mistreatment that lead to deaths of the poor disabled people cut off in the name of "austerity"... when it comes to francesca martinez finally getting it said on mainstream media, "130,000" was numbing, and takes effort to explain that these are each people.Apr 30 11:54
schestowitztrue, MinceRApr 30 11:54
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schestowitz[11:52] <MinceR> Digit: "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic"Apr 30 11:55
Digiti suspect there may be a two part punch to that whole covid bacterial phage, and we're yet to have the other shoe drop.Apr 30 11:55
schestowitzthis is how I treat covid019 already, I only check the numbersApr 30 11:55
schestowitzbecause with so many daily deaths studying one single cases is pointless almostApr 30 11:55
schestowitz*caseApr 30 11:55
schestowitzthis pandemic could be bad as prior one if we didn't limit or contain its spreadApr 30 11:56
Digitthe numbers, the numbers, the numbers... all we hear is, radio numbers, covid numbers, radio goo goo, radio gaga.  when will we see real.Apr 30 11:56
schestowitzwe now know what germs areApr 30 11:56
schestowitzeven virus, which we can see with microscopesApr 30 11:56
schestowitzwe also know that hand-washing can help, centuries ago it wasn't even common senseApr 30 11:56
schestowitztown isolated from the ill like it was a "curse"Apr 30 11:56
schestowitz"cursed people"Apr 30 11:56
Digitvirology and immunology is fascinating.   have learned much these past few months.  reframed perspectives out of the cartoon, by glomping on playlists of lectures.Apr 30 11:57
schestowitzfor now we have 5 weeks of lock-downApr 30 11:57
schestowitz800 deaths yesterdayApr 30 11:57
schestowitzwhich is a lotApr 30 11:57
MinceRnot a lot compared to the number of births yesterdayApr 30 11:57
schestowitzfor separation this long, although maybe some of these patients have been in ICU for weeksApr 30 11:57
schestowitzMinceR: births "planned" before the crisis"Apr 30 11:58
schestowitzI think the gov. now encourages abortionsApr 30 11:58
MinceRniceApr 30 11:58
schestowitzthis is perhaps the only thing in decades that help get Gates hardApr 30 11:58
MinceRwho knew it only took a pandemic to shake the foundations of christian fundamentalism? :>Apr 30 11:58
schestowitz(except hanging out withn Jeff Epstein)Apr 30 11:58
Digithand washing, tho, these days... a lot of those corporate detergents, are taking the piss... impares the defenses numerous ways, opens holes, risks anti-biotic-resistence, kills the defensive biome, disrupts the endocrine system, is carcinogenic, etc, etc, etc.Apr 30 11:58
scientesDigit, yeah, just use alcoholApr 30 12:03
MinceRlolApr 30 12:03
scientesI am scared of all that anti-biotic soap stuffApr 30 12:03
MinceRalcohol is probably worse for the skinApr 30 12:03
MinceRand what's so special about detergents?Apr 30 12:03
scientesalcohol-based hand washers are not that badApr 30 12:03
scientesdetergent is fineApr 30 12:03
MinceRaren't they just the usual lipid + polar head thing?Apr 30 12:03
scientesbut without anti-bioticsApr 30 12:03
Digityeah, that was same ballpark as my first impression, alcohol's no good for the skin either.Apr 30 12:03
scientesthe skin is super powerful howeverApr 30 12:03
scientesyou can just oil up after if you need toApr 30 12:04
scientesyou could even buy lanolinApr 30 12:04
scientesand apply that to your handsApr 30 12:04
scientes^^^^yeah, why don't doctors, that wash their hands a bazillion times a day (and the real ones just use their hands without gloves (but properly washed with alcohol), use lanolin?Apr 30 12:05
Digitscientes: maybe some do...?Apr 30 12:05
scientesthe skin is a gloveApr 30 12:05
Digitscientes: take your gloves off, lets see...Apr 30 12:05
scientesDigit, have you not used a cow-hide glove before?Apr 30 12:05
Digitok.  i have had leather gloves.  touche.  skin gloves.  n_nApr 30 12:06
scientesDigit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeglovingApr 30 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Degloving - WikipediaApr 30 12:06
MinceRhuman skin gloves!Apr 30 12:06
scientesno picture of itApr 30 12:06
scientesbut it happens with wedding ringsApr 30 12:06
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*Digit reminds self, not to click image links from scientes Apr 30 12:09
MinceRthere's only a CT slice in that articleApr 30 12:09
Digitmhm, but the subsequent suggestionApr 30 12:10
Digitschestowitz: thanks for those links, cascading out to dozens more from the links within.  epic treasure trove.  got techrights ththththoroughly backed up with multiple offsite redundancies i hope?Apr 30 12:16
scientesugggh, I hate latinApr 30 12:18
scientesi see lago in spanishApr 30 12:18
scientesand I can't tell if it is Shakespeare's IagoApr 30 12:19
scientesI should report that wikipedia should change the font they useApr 30 12:19
MinceRi think they use the font you specify in your browserApr 30 12:19
MinceRit uses my defaults for headings (Noto Serif) and body text (Droid Sans)Apr 30 12:20
MinceRboth have serifs on uppercase IApr 30 12:20
scientesoh then DejaVu has this problemApr 30 12:20
scientesDejaVu SerifApr 30 12:20
scienteshttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataratas_Victoria#/media/Archivo:Cataratas_Victoria,_Zambia-Zimbabue,_2018-07-27,_DD_05.jpgApr 30 12:27
scienteswowApr 30 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-es.wikipedia.org | Cataratas Victoria - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libreApr 30 12:28
scientesoh wowApr 30 12:31
scientes la Guerra de SecesiónApr 30 12:31
scientesis a spanish name for the US civil warApr 30 12:31
scienteswhich is more honest than ANYTHING I have read in an English text-bookApr 30 12:31
MinceRit's easier to be honest from the outsideApr 30 12:31
scientes(even though Lincoln called it than many times)Apr 30 12:31
scienteseven the liberal Howard Zinn is not that honestApr 30 12:32
scientesI mean, it also got that name because the spanish-speaking world was more dominated by plantation economiesApr 30 12:36
scientesbut stillApr 30 12:36
scientesbut way more honest, because the south had no interest in controlling the whole thingApr 30 12:36
MinceRyeah, all they wanted was the freedom to keep slaves :>Apr 30 12:49
scienteswell saidApr 30 12:49
scientesbut under the treaty of westphalia not isn't really out of the rulesApr 30 12:49
MinceRjust like all microsoft, ibm and apple want is the freedom to own all our computing devices, including the ones we paid forApr 30 12:50
scientes(but succession is)Apr 30 12:50
scientesit is more of a Monroe Doctrine thingApr 30 12:50
scienteswhich later became the Carter Doctrine: if you don't want our dollars we have plenty of bombsApr 30 12:51
MinceR:>Apr 30 12:51
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XRevan86> iirc, there was a thing thing in recent years called vivaldi, but I cannot recall what it wasApr 30 12:58
XRevan86It is a Chromium-based browser from former developers of Opera.Apr 30 12:58
XRevan86Has nothing to do KDE. Confused with Falkon?Apr 30 12:58
scientesXRevan86, there was a kde project called vivaldiApr 30 12:59
scientesand multiple kde web browsersApr 30 12:59
XRevan86scientes: I know of Konqueror, Rekonq and Falkon.Apr 30 13:00
scientesI just opened these needles i boughtApr 30 13:03
scienteswith russian written on themApr 30 13:03
scientesand they are the shittiest needles i have ever hadApr 30 13:03
scientesthe eye is mal-formed and the ends are not sharpApr 30 13:03
scientesthey were clearly castApr 30 13:04
scientes(not that I know how other needles are made)Apr 30 13:04
scientesbut you can see the defects in the castApr 30 13:04
scientesI guess that is something you have to give the US (and probably Japan and Germany) for---they brought quality, also to ChinaApr 30 13:06
scientesChina's success is largely home-grown, StalinismApr 30 13:06
scienteshowever the quality is only because they are selling to foreigners that demand itApr 30 13:07
scientesI need a thimbleApr 30 13:08
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MinceR(cat) https://www.deviantart.com/sandara/art/Tattoo-art-799497471Apr 30 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tattoo art by sandara on DeviantArtApr 30 14:04
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19101730Apr 30 14:54
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19101542Apr 30 16:36
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schestowitzhttps://e.foundation/product/e-os-fairphone-3/Apr 30 17:59
schestowitzsite down?Apr 30 17:59
schestowitzweird urlApr 30 17:59
schestowitzgael duval put itApr 30 17:59
schestowitzI wonder what the url should beApr 30 17:59
schestowitzneed to guessApr 30 17:59
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schestowitzokApr 30 18:00
schestowitzit was just slowApr 30 18:00
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XRevan86https://static.ngs.ru/news/2020/99/preview/7f545f00c14cb016f1efbb5ff1094e8523e7fc323_1280_960.jpgApr 30 19:25
scientesXRevan86, what is that?Apr 30 19:26
XRevan86scientes: A container-refrigeratorApr 30 19:26
XRevan86in St. Petersburg, for corpsesApr 30 19:26
XRevan86https://fontanka.ru/2020/04/30/69236575Apr 30 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fontanka.ru | В Петербурге у больниц появились контейнеры-рефрижераторы для тел умерших от коронавируса. Установлены уже восемь штук - Город - Новости Санкт-Петербурга - Фонтанка.РуApr 30 19:26
scientesare you telling me it is a secret compartmentApr 30 19:27
scientesfull of secret compartments?Apr 30 19:27
XRevan86No, just a corpse fridgeApr 30 19:28
scientesis it multi-mode?Apr 30 19:28
scienteslooks like itApr 30 19:28
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XRevan86A temporary buffer to unload the burial services queue.Apr 30 19:28
scienteswhat is fontanka?Apr 30 19:29
XRevan86A news site that focuses on St. PetersburgApr 30 19:29
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scienteswhy does it say фонтанка.ру, but that domain doesn't existApr 30 19:30
XRevan86transliterationApr 30 19:30
scientesyeah I got thatApr 30 19:31
XRevan86named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontanka_RiverApr 30 19:31
scientesbut there is no cyrillic IDN?Apr 30 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fontanka River - WikipediaApr 30 19:31
XRevan86scientes: There is .рфApr 30 19:31
scientesso its just implicit that you transliterate?Apr 30 19:31
scientesthats interestingApr 30 19:31
*scientes read about the lena river today in spanishApr 30 19:32
XRevan86scientes: .ру doesn't exist, so yea, it goes without sayingApr 30 19:32
XRevan86Now that I spelt that out, I can see why %)Apr 30 19:33
scienteswhy?Apr 30 19:33
scientesoh what you saidApr 30 19:33
XRevan86scientes: And I see your point now, фонтанка.py could actually exist.Apr 30 19:33
MinceRis the "federation" a big deal to the russian government then?Apr 30 19:34
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XRevan86In the Paraguay TLDApr 30 19:34
XRevan86MinceR: hm?Apr 30 19:35
scientesXRevan86, I have შონ.გეApr 30 19:35
scientesjust for the hell of itApr 30 19:35
scientesexcept yandex doesn't support UTF-8 usernamesApr 30 19:36
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scientes(except as recipients and sources of email)Apr 30 19:36
MinceRthat they preferred .рф to .руApr 30 19:36
XRevan86MinceR: It's probably to avoid visual collisions.Apr 30 19:36
MinceRor where they not allowed to have an internationalized TLD that _looked_ like a non-internationalized one? (.py)Apr 30 19:37
MinceRicApr 30 19:37
XRevan86and with .рф one can easily tell it's Cyrillic (or funny looking Greek %))Apr 30 19:37
XRevan86but not with .ро or .руApr 30 19:37
scientesgeorgian doesn't have that problem :)Apr 30 19:37
XRevan86Indeed, it's all because Cyrillic looks a lot like LatinApr 30 19:38
scienteshmm i don't get why nginx is sending the wrong TLS certificateApr 30 19:41
scientesmaybe its because of IDN problemsApr 30 19:41
XRevan86scientes: That's not very likely.Apr 30 19:41
XRevan86scientes: Can you show your configuration?Apr 30 19:41
XRevan86the basic parts, location's are irrelevant in this caseApr 30 19:42
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scienteshttp://paste.debian.net/1144003/Apr 30 19:43
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scientesgmm its not using that configApr 30 19:44
scientesits using git.icu configApr 30 19:44
scientescause i can access stuff that is only set up under git.icuApr 30 19:44
XRevan86"if" – ugh, whyApr 30 19:44
MinceR(cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/10/04/3515a566867ed38b.gifApr 30 19:45
scientesXRevan86, i didn't write thatApr 30 19:45
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scientescomplain to LetsEncryptApr 30 19:45
scientesbut i did have to set the domain back to the UTF-8Apr 30 19:46
scientescause nginx needs the UTF-8 thereApr 30 19:46
scientesas in the http request it gets sent as UTF-8Apr 30 19:46
scientesthe punycode is only used for the dns lookupApr 30 19:47
scientessuper confusingApr 30 19:47
XRevan86scientes: Ugh, certbot is generating your config or something?Apr 30 19:47
scientesyeahApr 30 19:47
scientesthat way you don't have to think about paths to certsApr 30 19:47
XRevan86You know paths are super-stable, right? %)Apr 30 19:48
XRevan86It looks like complexity introduced for no real reason.Apr 30 19:48
scienteshey, this VPS which i have had for 2 years is scheuled to be discontinued in a few monthsApr 30 19:48
scientesso I will have to migrate from arm64 to x86_64Apr 30 19:49
scientesi don't have unlimited timeApr 30 19:49
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XRevan86scientes: Oh, architecture change, that's a hassle…Apr 30 19:49
scientescause where else can i get a arm64 server?Apr 30 19:50
scientesjust AWS, and amazon is too expensive Apr 30 19:50
XRevan86scientes: Well, ScalewayApr 30 19:51
scientesthey are not worth even thinking about because they nickle and dime you for so muchApr 30 19:51
scientesXRevan86, yeah it is scaleway, and i got an email that they are discontinuing their arm64 serversApr 30 19:51
XRevan86scientes: ohApr 30 19:51
scientesi had it for 2 yearsApr 30 19:51
XRevan86scientes: So I guess that's their solution to having no local boot on ARM…Apr 30 19:52
scientesroot@git:/etc/nginx# uptimeApr 30 19:52
scientes 18:52:01 up 136 days,  3:10,  1 user,  load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.06Apr 30 19:52
XRevan86no ARM, no issueApr 30 19:52
scienteswell yeah, the lack of control over kernel is annoyingApr 30 19:52
scientesas it means no wireguardApr 30 19:52
XRevan86scientes: That's why I avoided ARM on Scaleway.Apr 30 19:52
scientesand scaleway has great bandwidthApr 30 19:52
scientesI actually built my own kernel for arm64 scalewayApr 30 19:52
XRevan86In practice it's just like x86, but with a crappy kernel.Apr 30 19:52
scientesbut it was too much effortApr 30 19:53
scientesor rather, a kernel module for their kernelApr 30 19:53
XRevan86scientes: Well, migrate then. No reason to wait, really %).Apr 30 19:53
scientesexcept i really appreciate having a arm64 server to log intoApr 30 19:53
XRevan86scientes: What's the point?Apr 30 19:53
scientesthat's my main reason for itApr 30 19:53
scientesif i need to test something on arm64Apr 30 19:53
scientesand if i need arm-32 (which thunderx does not support) then i log into my phoneApr 30 19:54
scientesbut then i need a static binaryApr 30 19:54
*XRevan86 looks at a Raspberry PiApr 30 19:54
XRevan863Apr 30 19:54
scientes4 is outApr 30 19:54
scientesi already have too much stuffApr 30 19:54
scientesi don't need fragile stuffApr 30 19:54
XRevan86scientes: I don't know what to do with this one %).Apr 30 19:54
scientesexcept it pisses me offApr 30 19:55
scientesmy phone is 64-bitApr 30 19:55
scientesbut it has 32-bit kernelApr 30 19:55
scientesmy last one was sameApr 30 19:55
scientesi think they do this to lower ram usageApr 30 19:55
*XRevan86 looks at a 2016 Android phone with AArch64 all the way.Apr 30 19:55
scientesfor the A53 phonesApr 30 19:55
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XRevan86Don't know what was on stock, don't know, don't care, LineageOS delivers.Apr 30 19:56
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XRevan86scientes: My hypothesis that because your server_name is unicode, nginx doesn't match, instead just going to the default serverApr 30 19:59
XRevan86Don't know what it does if it fails to find "server_name _;", maybe goes to a random one.Apr 30 20:00
XRevan86scientes: Or maybe it finds one of your if ($host = xn--wodd6a.xn--node) { and redirects %)Apr 30 20:01
scientesno its doing git.icuApr 30 20:02
scientesfor some reasonApr 30 20:02
XRevan86This is not a straightforward configuration, so I'm not sure what is exactly the behaviour here…Apr 30 20:02
XRevan86scientes: I can tell you that you need punycode in server_nameApr 30 20:02
scientesi will try againApr 30 20:03
scientesbut IIRC there was a problemApr 30 20:03
XRevan86server {Apr 30 20:03
XRevan86listen 80;Apr 30 20:03
XRevan86listen [::]:80;Apr 30 20:03
XRevan86server_name xn--xodb6a.xn--node;Apr 30 20:03
XRevan86return 301 https://$host$request_uri;Apr 30 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: $host$request_uri; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://$host$request_uri )Apr 30 20:03
XRevan86}Apr 30 20:03
XRevan86And this is how one makes a redirect.Apr 30 20:03
scientesahh it workedApr 30 20:04
scienteswith punycode in the nameApr 30 20:04
scientesdid you notice that I spelled my own name wrong the first time?Apr 30 20:04
scientesand had to get a second domainApr 30 20:04
XRevan86No, I can't read the Georgian script %)Apr 30 20:04
XRevan86didn't even notice that there are two of them: dmd and dmbApr 30 20:05
scientesdamn worksApr 30 20:07
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scientesXRevan86, you should watch Grapes of WrathApr 30 20:15
scientes1940Apr 30 20:15
scientesit is really somethingApr 30 20:15
scientesHenry FondaApr 30 20:15
scientesI am going to have to come back tomorrowApr 30 20:17
scientestoo much depressing thingApr 30 20:17
scientes*too many depressing thingsApr 30 20:17
scientesso much resiliance howeverApr 30 20:21
scientesthere is alot of truth to itApr 30 20:21
XRevan86scientes: O.K.Apr 30 20:22
scienteshehApr 30 20:22
scientesXRevan86, what that a joke?Apr 30 20:22
scientes*wasApr 30 20:22
DaemonFC[m]A virus escaping a lab and causing the end of the world was The Stand by Stephen King. The reason it wiped out the entire world and not just America was that when the US government realized it was going to collapse, it decided to use sleeper agents to release the super flu in Russia and China to make sure that there weren't any remaining superpowers.Apr 30 20:22
XRevan86scientes: No, I'm going to watch it.Apr 30 20:22
scientesDaemonFC[m], sounds like resident evilApr 30 20:23
scientesXRevan86, oh I though you were making a joke about oklahomaApr 30 20:23
scientesand OKApr 30 20:23
XRevan86scientes: Can you elaborate on that? %)Apr 30 20:24
scientesOK means OklahomaApr 30 20:24
scienteswhich is where the family in Grapes of Wrath are fromApr 30 20:24
XRevan86scientes: Ah, RU, UK, USApr 30 20:24
XRevan86scientes: But I used dots, that ruins it, no?Apr 30 20:25
scientesbut it is also a pun, because it means O.K.Apr 30 20:25
scientesso I thought you were being super cleverApr 30 20:25
XRevan86Turns out, I was just oblivious.Apr 30 20:25
scienteswell you usually are not like thatApr 30 20:25
scientesbut I have a friend you isApr 30 20:25
scientesalways cracking word jokesApr 30 20:26
scientes*whoApr 30 20:26
XRevan86scientes: MinceR?Apr 30 20:26
scienteslike saying that daylight savings time was invented by Konrad AdenauerApr 30 20:27
XRevan86scientes: I'm not really into word humour, unless it ties into something.Apr 30 20:28
scientesI only use it when i am trying to learn a languageApr 30 20:29
scientesas you need to practice alien grammarApr 30 20:29
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/27/c1c06cc1b286eae2.gifApr 30 21:13
NarratorniceApr 30 21:34
schestowitzchildhood deja vuApr 30 21:40
schestowitzseems a bit like karateka graphicsApr 30 21:40
kingoffrancemy closest frame of reference is usually always:      (cat) http://www.flyingomelette.com/reviews/snes/screens/nekolost.gifApr 30 21:42
schestowitzremember "bruce lee" the game?Apr 30 21:42
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/27/eac8436bc18d9295.jpgApr 30 22:31
scientesMinceR, I never understood those thingsApr 30 22:32
scientesthey are so fucking big and heavyApr 30 22:32
scienteskind of misses the whole point of a laptopApr 30 22:32
scientesI kinda regret that I got a laptop with a steel case, instead of aluminum/plasticApr 30 22:33
MinceRi suppose it might be easier to take to a LAN party than a desktop + a monitorApr 30 22:33
MinceRupgrading is expensive thoughApr 30 22:33
scientesthere were laptops with very similar specs and only a little more expensive with half the weightApr 30 22:33
MinceRand the power of the CPU and GPU they can put into it is limitedApr 30 22:33
scientesMinceR, one of those mini-itx casesApr 30 22:33
MinceRsure, but you'd still have to carry a monitor somehowApr 30 22:33
MinceRand it has a big vulnerable soft surfaceApr 30 22:33
scientesnot if you can settle with 1080pApr 30 22:33
MinceRnow if someone invented clamshell gaming monitors...Apr 30 22:33
scientesin the US I accumulated 5 of those without paying for any of themApr 30 22:34
scientesjust had to buy power suppliesApr 30 22:34
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XRevan86https://kommersant.ru/doc/4335483 aw manApr 30 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kommersant.ru | Демонтирована мозаика с изображением Путина в храме Вооруженных сил - Новости – Общество – КоммерсантъApr 30 22:48
XRevan86Putin mosaic in the armed forces main church was removedApr 30 22:48
scientesthe Putin yes men are rediculousApr 30 22:48
MinceR:>Apr 30 22:49
scientesit kinda confirms what Joseph Steinbeck is sayingApr 30 22:50
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/27/2455378886b9c15e.jpgApr 30 22:50
scientesMinceR, niceApr 30 22:51
scientesMinceR, do you remember when the mirror at the place I was staying electrified me?Apr 30 22:52
scientesin the bathroomApr 30 22:52
MinceRnoApr 30 22:52
scientesand then the electrician not only did not know what a RCD/GFCI was, but also worked without glovesApr 30 22:52
MinceRlolApr 30 22:53
*XRevan86 thinks about degloving now.Apr 30 22:54
scientesyeah, this is a case gloves are importantApr 30 22:55
MinceR:>Apr 30 22:55
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*XRevan86 also weirdly feels disappointed.Apr 30 23:04
XRevan86Is that what people who saw Cats the film felt when they re-released it in theatres with some CGI fixes?Apr 30 23:04
scientesoh god that is a horrible musicalApr 30 23:04
scienteshe wrote good stuff (Phantom of the Opera, Jesus Christ Superstar), but not thatApr 30 23:05
XRevan86scientes: Try the film %).Apr 30 23:05
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MinceR(cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/26/f0a768bf3fddb6a3.jpgApr 30 23:32

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