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| schestowitz | MicroSCOft's shill is out: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9... Good riddance. | Jul 10 05:12 |
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| RogerBacon | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2... | Jul 10 06:04 |
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| RogerBacon | have fun ;) | Jul 10 06:04 |
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| RogerBacon | title of the link is : | Jul 10 06:04 |
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| RogerBacon | Et Tu, Intel? Chip Giant Won’t Embrace Microsoft’s Windows Vista | Jul 10 06:04 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jul 10 06:05 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications (publicly logged) | Jul 10 06:05 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Wed Jun 4 04:34:16 2008 | Jul 10 06:05 |
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| schestowitz | What companies /do/ adopt it? | Jul 10 06:05 |
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| RogerBacon | bloated software | Jul 10 06:07 |
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| RogerBacon | ;) | Jul 10 06:07 |
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| RogerBacon | sooo true | Jul 10 06:07 |
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| RogerBacon | im out again | Jul 10 06:08 |
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| RogerBacon | bye | Jul 10 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | See you later | Jul 10 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... the site is down at the moment. I wonder why. | Jul 10 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting comment: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s... The *ahem* less clueful still use that stupid word INNOVA~1 to distinguish between development methods. Others ascribes GUIs (user friendliness) to code visibility. | Jul 10 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | ZDNet has admitted recently being provocative because they are paid per pageview (with Microsoft ads). Now comes this (which is unrelated): | Jul 10 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/... 'The Linux version of the Eee 1000 will cost €£369, while the XP version will cost €£349. An Asus spokesperson told ZDNet.co.uk on Thursday that the Eee 1000 was "with distributors already", while the 904 will be on shelves in about a week's time.' | Jul 10 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | They did this in Australia before, but this seems like the first time that they do it elsewhere. it's cheaper to buy Windows and then install Linux (free) over it. Same stupid situation with Dell. | Jul 10 14:32 |
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| Tallken | lol proabably MS is paying them to include XP xD | Jul 10 14:32 |
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| cozub | or maybe they're just so "keen" on keeping good relations with m$ :-/ | Jul 10 14:34 |
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| Tallken | Personally, on such PCs I'd keep the original OS, unless it sucked horribly | Jul 10 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Unreliable coverage of the Best Buy news makes me think..I dunno... ZDNet is sponsored by Microsoft and Prelow has openly admitted trolling/provoking (because they make income based on pageviews). As for Joe, he and Asay have been backslapping a lot recently (linking to each other endlessly for validation). They are both dismissing Best Buy's move. | Jul 10 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | Look at this: http://www.workswithu.com/2008/07/... . Well, well... Linux is sold at the high street, but NO... it HAS to bad news. Working with U.......... | Jul 10 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Just been told this "Be expecting a gigantic marketing push from M$ very soon: http://www.tgdaily.com/conte... " | Jul 10 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's the Enderle shill writing. The guy is practically paid by Microsoft (he calls it a client and attends Redmond cocktail parties), which has a shill blog onslught at the moment. That Vista blitz has 300 million dollars invested it in and its run by a proxy (peripheral advertising agency). It's OS/2-days-esque dirty tricks. | Jul 10 16:04 |
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| Tallken | hum that article doesn't tell anything special... MS is annoyed; they'll respond to Apple's commercials. Honestly, between that and using proxies to meddle with GPL, I'm fairly confortable with advertising... They won't dare mess with Linux in the open, as they'd risk ackowledging Linux as serious competition | Jul 10 16:18 |
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| Tallken | which they haven't done in the open | Jul 10 16:18 |
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| Tallken | well, maybe they've with all those deals | Jul 10 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | I'll write about it later. | Jul 10 16:19 |
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| Tallken | But I tend to think news related to Novell's Silverlight and Mono only reach me because I'm curious enough about that area of the news | Jul 10 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | In BN.com and some other sites i run, about 1 in 3 people use GNU/Linux, but it's biased Science blog didn't give numbers: http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07... | Jul 10 16:20 |
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| Tallken | and that doesn't happen with most people | Jul 10 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | I speak about it in a separate channel too. Here's the giest: | Jul 10 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | gist: | Jul 10 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | [It's publicly logged) <m-c> Well, yeah, that's what the article says, that they hired a popular ad firm to improve the image of Vista | Jul 10 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | <m-c> Yeap, for sure, but the best way to defend against propaganda is to know of it's existence and purpose. So you can be expecting this campaign, because $300 | Jul 10 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | <GNU\colossus> the best way to defend against propaganda is to shoot those in the head who are spreading it -- that isn't legal everywhere, from what I've heard, | Jul 10 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | <m-c> the best propaganda is spread by the people you are wanting to effect | Jul 10 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | <m-c> if you know who originally created the memes, then it loses much of the effect - for you to believe you came up with the idea yourself | Jul 10 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | <m-c> I think I used "you" too many times to mean different things there. | Jul 10 16:22 |
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| Tallken | hum | Jul 10 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | I hate big lies so much. | Jul 10 16:25 |
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| Tallken | you're all expecting the propaganda will appear in a covert way, done by a proxy with no apparent connection to MS? | Jul 10 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Another example: Microsoft said that only 0.2% or 2% of the PCs (can't remember which) has malware. The real figure is well over 50%. They had Geer /FIRED/ for daring to say the truth. | Jul 10 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | By proxy, as in via ZDNet and via deal with GoDaddy to game Web server stats (true story by the way). | Jul 10 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Be ready for the firms they hired to pull the same ol' dirty tricks. They are well paid to do this. | Jul 10 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft reaction: Oh, *that* advertising firm? It has nothing to do with us. Sure, it paid bloggers. Sure, it cheats. But we only dumped $0.3 billion onto it, we're not directly responsible. | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | rofl | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Search YouTube for the "advertisers, advertisers, advertisers" video from Ballmer. As the wise men say, "Microsoft is a marketing company." It buys or steals other people's products and then markets them unethically ('hit below the belt' mentality). | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | when I read the page | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | and as they we're mentioning Apple | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | I thought it'd be a direct response | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | not a "undercover" one | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Apple doesn't scare Microsoft. | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | the only true way to find out the numbers | Jul 10 16:28 |
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| Tallken | would be all ISPs reporting their client OS | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| Tallken | any other way is biased | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has a deal with Apple. Microsoft makes money from Mac users and it never mentions it as a threat, unlike FOSS. | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| Tallken | for example, people without jobs in the IT world are very less likely to visit your site... | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | How would you weigh it? What about zombie PCs? | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| Tallken | no, I'm mentioning the % of people with Window | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| Tallken | s | Jul 10 16:29 |
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| Tallken | not the % of zombie PC | Jul 10 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | I published an article about it last year. Made Slashdot's front page:http://itmanagement.earthweb... | Jul 10 16:30 |
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| Tallken | I wouldn't know how to determine that % | Jul 10 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's a thing too complicated to measure because not all PCs are connected to the Web, let alone connected directly and sending identifiable HTTP headers. What about smartphones and appliances? It's a very, very complicated thing to meausre. See Science Blogs opinion, which is the same. | Jul 10 16:31 |
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| RogerBacon | damn, telecom immunity as been given to our telco company | Jul 10 17:27 |
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| RogerBacon | ... | Jul 10 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Just spotted this: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/... | Jul 10 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome to the NWO. :-D | Jul 10 17:35 |
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| RogerBacon | damn | Jul 10 17:38 |
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| RogerBacon | it's no more a conspiracy teory :( | Jul 10 17:38 |
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| RogerBacon | people will finally wake up when the NWO will be there | Jul 10 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I was joking about the term. | Jul 10 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Either way, a few hours ago Glyn also showed his concern about 'globalisation', which like 'harmonisation' is a term that's supposed to sound nice but it's more like "contamination". | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| RogerBacon | ITS REAL :D | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| RogerBacon | just kidding | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| RogerBacon | but thy law is awfool ... | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | And yesterday I found out about G8 giving ACTA a nod. Have you read it? | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| RogerBacon | can you give me a link | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| RogerBacon | please | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| RogerBacon | will read that | Jul 10 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's about 7 items ago, maybe it's in page2, not the front page. Wait... I'll get the link...http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Jul 10 17:44 |
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| RogerBacon | whe need to start our own country, who's in ? | Jul 10 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Sealand is already taken. :-p | Jul 10 18:20 |
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| moparx_ | .. and you probably would not want to live there anyway :p | Jul 10 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | moparx: do they have fiber in Sealand? | Jul 10 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Lip service for Microsoft from the Partner Group, which Microsoft sponsors: http://www.builderau.com.au/strategy/soa/Googl... | Jul 10 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Open source as a term continues to die as journos equate APIs to "open source": http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9282 (Asay, Dignan and other jokers that even equate Apple to 'open source'). Another article today is about iPhone and "open source". They really try to kill the term all together or squeeze what's left in it. | Jul 10 20:19 |
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| moparx | schestowitz: it has fiber-optic links if I recall correctly | Jul 10 20:27 |
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| moparx | sorry for the late reply | Jul 10 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | The OOXML scandal keeps getting worse, but I probably won't write about it until tomorrow. How can the system ignore so much corruption? I beats me. | Jul 10 21:01 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, i didn't follow it | Jul 10 21:01 |
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| PetoKraus | what happened in last week? | Jul 10 21:01 |
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| PetoKraus | (i was painting the flat mostly this week) | Jul 10 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | ISO plays clueless. "Nothing was wrong," it argues. | Jul 10 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Despite the fact that it's own people (who ran away) complained about it. | Jul 10 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | *its | Jul 10 21:02 |
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| PetoKraus | aha. That's nice. And kind-of expected | Jul 10 21:03 |
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| PetoKraus | so, they are basically wiping the... | Jul 10 21:03 |
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| PetoKraus | complaints under carpet? | Jul 10 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I can give you some URLs. | Jul 10 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Leaked documents: ttp://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/New-doubts-about-ISO-s-fast-track-standardisation-of-Microsoft-OOXML--/111065 Latest analysis: http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-73... | Jul 10 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | I feel like making some new graphical banners for ISO articles. They'll be more *ahem* visual. | Jul 10 21:10 |
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