Microsoft Pressures for WAMP While Novell Helps 'Infect' AMP

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-10-18 15:34:12 UTC
Modified: 2008-10-18 15:34:12 UTC

Windows advantaging and patent encumbering

TWO DAYS ago we explained why Microsoft had invaded Apache, its competitor. It's about benefiting the Microsoft stack through various enhancements. Yesterday we showed Microsoft's latest move toward Windows-isation of AMP, which is a strategy that Microsoft's internal documents expose as well.

Glyn Moody, taking both developments into account, reaches the same conclusions. This could be an "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" move.

This is how it will go. Purely in order to “improve” the performance of Apache and Hadoop on the Windows platform, Microsoft will helpfully offer some really cool hacks....which will of course only work on the Windows platform.

This will effectively fork the Apache/Hadoop/whatever code – all for the good of their communities. Of course, there may be some “patented” technologies in there, but Microsoft will promise never, ever to sue anyone using this “optimised” open source – cross its heart and hope to die. Look for Microsoft to get involved with other leading open source projects in the same way.

This was predicable. They have already done the same thing to PHP (the "P" in LAMP) after a deal with Zend in 2006.

Another trend worth highlighting is Microsoft's attempt to sway developers in .NET's way. Novell is helping Microsoft's cause. This has various motivations, but one of them stands out. "[It's] all written in .NET, just for patent ambush purposes and infection," says one knowledgeable reader. Only Novell customers are said to be 'protected' and, according to this reader, "all the "free tools" that Microsoft releases are strangely written in .NET for infection purposes."

Do not allow this to happen. Microsoft and Novell rely on people's ignorance -- for now. ⬆

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AlexH

2008-10-18 16:33:23

FUDding Apache, PHP and Novell all in one fell swoop. Amazing.
Roy Schestowitz

2008-10-18 16:37:34

It is not FUDding, it's informing. According to this definition of yours, Glyn Moody FUDs Free software too. Does he?
AlexH

2008-10-18 16:44:11

Well, let's look at this rationally.

He calls it "Apache/Hadoop/whatever code" - that's a bizarre nomenclature if ever I've seen it. It suggests he doesn't know what Microsoft are contributing to.

He then says:

Of course, there may be some “patented” technologies in there, but Microsoft will promise never, ever to sue anyone using this “optimised” open source – cross its heart and hope to die.

Actually, they will do better than that. They will grant a royalty-free perpetual license, and if anyone sues the project or user of the project they will terminate it.

The fact that Glyn doesn't know these things makes me think he's at best uninformed. Sowing fear of patents where there is nothing to be afraid of is classic FUD.
Shane Coyle

2008-10-18 17:33:08

"They will grant a royalty-free perpetual license, and if anyone sues the project or user of the project they will terminate it."

That's the right way to do it, which is why I hated so much their deal with Novell that grants some sort of protection to only Novell 'customers', and any contributions to opensuse.org that make it into SLE, since Novell has agreed to pay a royalty already.
xISO_ZWT

2008-10-18 18:46:51

The idea that microsoft will change for the better, is a waste of time. Anything ms does has to be looked at with a lot of suspicion. Anything it touches, it corrupts.

You can take a sow and clean it up, but a sow will always return to the slough. You can't change what is totally corrupt and infected by wishing it not to be.
AlexH

2008-10-19 09:22:55

@Shane: agreed entirely.

That's why I think it's important not to knock situations like this, where everyone can agree that it's a good idea.
Roy Schestowitz

2008-10-19 10:39:59

I disagree. How quickly we forget a historical pattern, do we? Don't have too much trust, especially given the subject.
AlexH

2008-10-19 11:38:54

@Roy: you don't think it's a problem that you're "informing" people with data which are factually incorrect though?

I've already demonstrated why this "patent" FUD against Apache is ill-informed.
Roy Schestowitz

2008-10-19 12:00:19

It's not about patents. The patent part is separate from Apache because it refers to another layer of the stack.
AlexH

2008-10-19 12:01:33

It's not about patents, yet you quote someone making the patent argument as support for your position?

So, what exactly is the problem with Microsoft contributing code to Hadoop, then?
Roy Schestowitz

2008-10-19 12:03:11

I will expand on that later today.

Microsoft Pressures for WAMP While Novell Helps 'Infect' AMP

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