| jose__ | to stop mono/etc bug reports in their tracks | Feb 13 16:55 |
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| jose__ | leaving mono around is like leaving options around.. it doesn't hurt supposedly | Feb 13 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, I have most of the future texts in http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... along with PDFs (+OCR). Next, I intend to get full text of all PDFs there. | Feb 13 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | If you want to have a look with me, that would help a lot | Feb 13 16:56 |
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| jose__ | but it does because not taking a stand makes it much easier for the mono to spread | Feb 13 16:56 |
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| jose__ | and infest | Feb 13 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's the story of Microsoft assassinatng NetPC with FUD and corruptible analysts, as told by internal correspondence. | Feb 13 16:56 |
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| jose__ | and it means a lot more users are likely to develop ties with any given mono app | Feb 13 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think the pres captured the real story at the time because it did not have those Comes exhibits | Feb 13 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | I should also write about Monilight[sic] | Feb 13 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | New York plane crash..... | Feb 13 16:58 |
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| jose__ | so are you saying that those pdfs on that page are mostly transcribed but not totally? | Feb 13 16:58 |
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| jose__ | what ny plane crash | Feb 13 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13... | Feb 13 16:59 |
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| jose__ | is it april 1 | Feb 13 16:59 |
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| jose__ | let me read it | Feb 13 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: yes, I have just portions of the text. There's OCR.. just needs completion and proofrading. | Feb 13 16:59 |
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| jose__ | ok, i'll start from the bottom up and email you when done | Feb 13 17:00 |
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| jose__ | with a pdf | Feb 13 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | It wasn't long ago that a plane landed in a Nr river, no? | Feb 13 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | Was it NY also? | Feb 13 17:00 |
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| jose__ | the pilot became a hero | Feb 13 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe their quality control is declining just lime the airlines industry | Feb 13 17:00 |
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| jose__ | everyone wanted to thank him and talk to him | Feb 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | They cut corners maybe | Feb 13 17:01 |
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| jose__ | supposedly it was experience/skill that saved everyone on board | Feb 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | With planes in half/quarter capacity, the costs of new components (lifecycyle) outweigh other standards. | Feb 13 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | When I come to think of it, this erodes confidence in planes and could do even WORSE damage to the airlines industry worldwide. | Feb 13 17:02 |
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| jose__ | >> CNN has listened to a tape of communications between air traffic control and the flight crew. The first officer was calm. The plane was cleared for approach. About two minutes later, the air traffic controller came back, his voice full of stress. Radar contact was lost. | Feb 13 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | Which in turn causes even more harm to the industry of production, quality control, etc. | Feb 13 17:03 |
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| jose__ | never mind | Feb 13 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Some people whom I know from the gym have it as a full-time job to just inspect planes. That can't be cheap | Feb 13 17:03 |
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| jose__ | i thought maybe the prob was originated from traffic controller | Feb 13 17:03 |
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| jose__ | but apparently they panicked once they saw the plane blip disappear ..or something like that | Feb 13 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | That's like 2 in a month | Feb 13 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | In one city? | Feb 13 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Not good.. | Feb 13 17:04 |
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| jose__ | per plane maybe another staff member ?? | Feb 13 17:04 |
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| jose__ | and of all cities, too | Feb 13 17:04 |
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| jose__ | ny has had funding provs | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| jose__ | probs | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| jose__ | financial industry hit hard means ny hit hard | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| jose__ | tax revenues have been reported to have gone donw | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| jose__ | private sector must be bas as well | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder how they pay rent these days | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Rent must come down. | Feb 13 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | balzac lives and work in NYC | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| jose__ | rent has come down everywhere | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | works | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| jose__ | well, in some big cities | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| balzac | yo | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Got the news yet? | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| jose__ | not sure what is their unemply number | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| balzac | what news? | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Scroll up | Feb 13 17:06 |
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| jose__ | if you have money/skill and you lose job, you can move.. or at least keep spending for a while | Feb 13 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: 5 years can be a long "while" | Feb 13 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a seasonal drought | Feb 13 17:08 |
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| balzac | how far to scroll up? | Feb 13 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | It can also be permanent for old empires, including European ones and countries like Iceland that used to enjoy themselves | Feb 13 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13... | Feb 13 17:08 |
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| balzac | I read about that last night in the wee hours | Feb 13 17:09 |
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| balzac | I was prepared for the worst when the plane crash-landed in the Hudson. I heard about it by text message and was very pleasantly surprised. Too bad there was nothing miraculous about this latest crash. | Feb 13 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | When two datapoints appear so closely, what prevents a third? | Feb 13 17:13 |
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| jose__ | http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13/plane... | Feb 13 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Remember why Concordes were grounded... | Feb 13 17:13 |
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| jose__ | She was traveling to Buffalo for a weekend celebration of what would have been her husband's 58th birthday, according to the Buffalo News -- the first news agency to report her presence on the fatal flight. | Feb 13 17:13 |
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| jose__ | >> | Feb 13 17:14 |
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| jose__ | >> Friends, relatives and acquaintances were shocked to hear the news that Beverly Eckert, the widow of a September 11 victim, was aboard the Continental flight to Buffalo, New York, that crashed Thursday night. | Feb 13 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | *gasp* | Feb 13 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | " 9/11 widow among Buffalo flight victims" | Feb 13 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/afri... "A Russian heavy missile cruiser stopped three pirate ships off the coast of Somalia, and detained 10 pirates, according to a statement released Friday by Russian Navy headquarters in Moscow." | Feb 13 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | REAL pirates... not the ones whom the MAFIAA labels "pirates" | Feb 13 17:16 |
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| jose__ | what was the bounty on these guys' heads | Feb 13 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, cruiser downloads pirates | Feb 13 17:17 |
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| jose__ | i heard the BSA picked up 3 pirates onboard the russian cruisers afterwards | Feb 13 17:17 |
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| jose__ | http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/12... | Feb 13 17:18 |
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| jose__ | that could be political or not | Feb 13 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/bus... ( The recession's unexpected winners ) | Feb 13 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | There's too much press about Microsoft looking for someone else to blame for their bad engineering | Feb 13 17:19 |
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| jose__ | did i miss the Linux OS column? | Feb 13 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/te... (I've seen like 12 articles like this one.... it's like MS PR... go Microsoft! Catch the bad guys, never mind if Windows is a POS for being so easy to hijack) | Feb 13 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | " Kindness will help economy, homeless woman's rescuer says" | Feb 13 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's a way of saying... forget about your rights, about freedoms... live in fear and gloom while "us elites" at Merill Lynch receive $3 billion in bonuses paid _by you_ (tax money -> bailout) | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| jose__ | it would be nice (assuming it were true) to see "Linux sales increased X during recession" appear in a feature mainstream article | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | People should not accept this abuse... there's no change coming. | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| jose__ | the fed gov is very powerful | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: Linux is not sold, it's distributed | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| jose__ | in theory | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | It's like saying "more water was sold" | Feb 13 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | "Water sales have increased..." well, with Linux there's no limit, either, unlike natural resources | Feb 13 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | The next big wars might be over water | Feb 13 17:23 |
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| balzac | <@schestowitz> In Soviet Russia, cruiser downloads pirates: heheh | Feb 13 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Not just global warning which is a lot to do with water too | Feb 13 17:24 |
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| jose__ | recovering "gracefully" from the pickle the financial industry got itself in | Feb 13 17:24 |
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| jose__ | is what the us is trying | Feb 13 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find a vid | Feb 13 17:24 |
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| jose__ | greed has no end, but i am hoping that the bailout will have a positive effect or at least keep a problem from getting worse | Feb 13 17:25 |
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| jose__ | the feds can always react differently in the future if things don't pan out | Feb 13 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Skip 1 minutes into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7... The guy sounds like an ass, but it makes some valid point | Feb 13 17:26 |
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| balzac | every time the ultra-wealthly slip a little bit in their death-grip around the throats of the working-poor, there is some intervention on behalf of the ultra-wealthy. | Feb 13 17:26 |
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| jose__ | i do worry we are being taken for a ride, but i'm waiting for now | Feb 13 17:26 |
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| jose__ | it's the federal governments money | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Money? | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | They have no money | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | They have 11tr in debt. | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| jose__ | what i mean is | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| balzac | what is the most juicy 3d desktop for gnu/linux without any trash code from Novell in it? | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| jose__ | that they could inflate the currency | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| jose__ | and that would be one way to wipe out debt/debtors | Feb 13 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: Looking Glass? | Feb 13 17:28 |
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| balzac | looking into it | Feb 13 17:28 |
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| jose__ | kde4 might have drawn some of the 3d desktop folks | Feb 13 17:29 |
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| jose__ | ? | Feb 13 17:29 |
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| jose__ | looking glass is all java i think | Feb 13 17:29 |
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| jose__ | there is mantese or something | Feb 13 17:29 |
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| silentivm | metisse | Feb 13 17:29 |
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| silentivm | but I've never tried it, I have long given up on 3D desktops | Feb 13 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is a root: http://smspillaz.googlepages.co... | Feb 13 17:30 |
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| balzac | compost fusion | Feb 13 17:31 |
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| balzac | jk | Feb 13 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | I used metisse with my Mandriva Live CD | Feb 13 17:31 |
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| silentivm | I never cared for 3D effects | Feb 13 17:31 |
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| jose__ | thanks silentivm i always always forget that | Feb 13 17:31 |
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| silentivm | :D | Feb 13 17:31 |
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| balzac | there are cases where 3d interfaces could make some things more efficient | Feb 13 17:32 |
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| balzac | but I would have to be in charge of designing it | Feb 13 17:33 |
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| balzac | looks like compiz is mostly just decorative, not actually very useful | Feb 13 17:33 |
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| silentivm | it was nice to show to "Linux has no GUI" trolls | Feb 13 17:33 |
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| jose__ | yes | Feb 13 17:34 |
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| balzac | yeah, but I just can dig Novell's offerings | Feb 13 17:34 |
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| jose__ | balzac you could always design on paper (explanations or drawings) and submit that | Feb 13 17:34 |
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| balzac | no Ballnux for Balzac | Feb 13 17:34 |
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| balzac | jose__: nobody will get it | Feb 13 17:35 |
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| jose__ | yeah, i thought you weren't being serious | Feb 13 17:35 |
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| balzac | until they get it and then I'll be like, alright there goes another fine idea... | Feb 13 17:35 |
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| jose__ | :-) | Feb 13 17:35 |
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| balzac | I should be the CEO of Hewlitt Packard | Feb 13 17:36 |
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| balzac | If that PR-hack Carly Fiorini could be CEO of a venerable IT company like HP, I could crush every other company in the world like Genghis Khan | Feb 13 17:36 |
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| balzac | I'm using an new HP and it has a "club hp" button on it | Feb 13 17:37 |
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| balzac | a row of buttons for email, search, help, and I don't know what else | Feb 13 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like their thinking | Feb 13 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Not collaborating. | Feb 13 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | " crush every other company in the world" | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| balzac | crappy little buttons which you hit instead of tab, caps-lock ,shift, ctrl | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Innovation by Crushing(R) | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| balzac | Roy, I'm just saying if I were CEO of a company like HP, there would be big changes | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| silentivm | balzac, can't you remap them to other functions? | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Can you imagine the kindergarten equivalent? | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| balzac | Microsoft would be immediately wiped out | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| silentivm | I use xmodmap to bind all the multimedia keys of this keyboard to useful features | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| balzac | silentivm: these buttons aren't worth having at all | Feb 13 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of companies like HP are /already/ paid for by the public | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| balzac | I'd pry them out with a knife if I was going to be stuck with this keyboard | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| silentivm | if properly bound, they can be useful, IMHO | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | They are paid to make some 'electted l33ts' rich by design and selection | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| silentivm | I used to pry the Power/Sleep/WakeUp keys from keyboards | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Like the Gateses and their government friends who gave monopolies and help | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva picks up all the multimedia keys | Feb 13 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | About 15 of them | Feb 13 17:40 |
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| silentivm | hmmm | Feb 13 17:40 |
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| jose__ | does the latest mandriva use beryl (ie, is beryl the default "top eye candy")? | Feb 13 17:42 |
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| jose__ | from twitter's slashdot submission | Feb 13 17:45 |
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| jose__ | >> Microsoft said it will share the lessons it learns from its own stores with other retailers. | Feb 13 17:45 |
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| jose__ | ! | Feb 13 17:45 |
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| jose__ | I almost can't believe they said that (w/a straight face) | Feb 13 17:46 |
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| jose__ | I'm sure they will sell the lesser or incorrect lessons | Feb 13 17:46 |
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| jose__ | they'll share like they share OS design with Linux | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| balzac | Sun's 3d desktop requires java | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| balzac | I don't like Sun's licensing ofjava | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | They have Ubuntu binaries | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Or "had" | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| balzac | Sun is quite annoying | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't heard about it in like a year | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| silentivm | Looking Glass was painfully SLOW here the last time I tried | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| PetoKraus | * [PetoKraus] (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus): Peter Kraus | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| PetoKraus | shinyyyy :D | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR hates Sun | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| silentivm | the type of thing which you can't use without lots of pain | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| balzac | They need to find everyone within their company who thinks like Carly Fiorini and fire them. | Feb 13 17:47 |
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| balzac | and then let all the old unix farts know they are now to bow to the gnu | Feb 13 17:48 |
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| balzac | dry your tears about the demise of proprietary unix | Feb 13 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Britain should prepare for massive loss of landmass, warn engineers < http://www.guardian.co.uk/enviro... > | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| jose__ | what's the highest mountain there? | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Some islands will disappear, leaving angry refugees | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Or worse, they might be flooded without warning. | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| PetoKraus | jose__: i believe it's ben nevis | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| PetoKraus | 1310 | Feb 13 17:49 |
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| jose__ | what's the tallest building | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe us humans can evolve fast enough to grow gills. | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| balzac | we should throw the climate-change deniers into the water | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| balzac | jk | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm going skiing there next week | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| PetoKraus | whee :) | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| PetoKraus | jose__: no idea | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: building? | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| balzac | Actually, put Anne Coulter, Limbaugh, Bush in a compound on an ice-shelf in Antarctica. When it melts, tough sh!t. | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| jose__ | alright 1310 is sufficient | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| balzac | cheney too | Feb 13 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Do you have in mind going to building waiting for the next "Ice era"? | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| PetoKraus | 1344 actually | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| PetoKraus | 1310 is where the ski resort thing ends | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | What about crops? | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | And Belgium/Holland? | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| jose__ | i don't live there | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| jose__ | we have more land over here | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| PetoKraus | well the problem is | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| jose__ | of course not in florida | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | I'm finding these links in FOSS blogs, which shows that awareness rose | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| jose__ | flat land | Feb 13 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: isn't it true that parts of Florida is made by grafting land? | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| PetoKraus | IMechE said that sea levels are predicted to rise by 2m by 2250 and 7m by the end of that century. | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| PetoKraus | that's not much | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| PetoKraus | 50cm is enough to flood half of netherlands | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | The amount of energy it takes to 'level' up continents leads to even more pollution. | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | A bit like ethanol requiring more energy to process than it eventually gives | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| jose__ | what percentage of florida land was dumped from elsewehre.. i don't know but it must be negligible when you look at the whole state | Feb 13 17:52 |
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| PetoKraus | well literally everything creates pollution | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Or the burning of foods to make energy (how dumb an idea) | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| PetoKraus | it's actually not | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: miami | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| jose__ | yes | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | My cousins tols me | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| PetoKraus | most of the foods you burn are either grown on lands which are unsuitable for arable farming | Feb 13 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Check what number of cm you can spare before house goes under water | Feb 13 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | or smaller part is from fungus-riddled crops | Feb 13 17:54 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i don't need to. It's enough for me to start worrying when we'll lose Brighton | Feb 13 17:54 |
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| jose__ | new orleans have levees | Feb 13 17:54 |
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| jose__ | http://www.google.com/search?q=levees&am... | Feb 13 17:54 |
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| jose__ | has | Feb 13 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Holy cr.. http://elchackal.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/hu... | Feb 13 17:55 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Feb 13 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | As the economy recedes, the pressure for FOI should grow < http://www.yrtk.org/2009/as-the-economy-... > Aww. | Feb 13 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | My dad reckons the economic collapse hasn't happened yet, but I don't know what he read/heard | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i dunno but | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine from the gym thinks the banks will collapse later.. not the just keep quiet | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | scotland is holding off pretty well | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | couple of shops closed, yes | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Comparibly | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | but the prices are quite low still | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | *prarably | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| PetoKraus | what's quite annoying, €vs€£ is getting better for pount | Feb 13 18:00 |
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| PetoKraus | *d | Feb 13 18:00 |
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| PetoKraus | (annoying for us, funded by €) | Feb 13 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | "IMechE said that sea levels are predicted to rise by 2m by 2250 and 7m by the end of that century." | Feb 13 18:00 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, i quoted that awhile ago ;) | Feb 13 18:00 |
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| PetoKraus | the difference makes as much as €£15 a day | Feb 13 18:01 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess I should move my money from slovakia... | Feb 13 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | LOL http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/1206076038 "glynmoody: What?!? TweetDeck is currently eating up a gig of RAM on this Ubuntu system...anyone else getting that?" | Feb 13 18:01 |
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| PetoKraus | and hope that the €£ will keep rising | Feb 13 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Same here. | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| PetoKraus | monday solves. | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | Which currencies will sink.. who knows? | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder how Iceland is doing | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| jose__ | >> The TPA report, which contains figures for every council in the country, can be read in full here. It shows a 22 per cent increase in the number of staff receiving remuneration packages of over €£50,000 a year. All this in the context of a recession, when taxpayers are cutting back or losing their jobs. | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| jose__ | >> Ultimately, as Obama knows, public sector elitism and freedom of information are part of the same debate. Full and easy disclosure, by breaking down the barriers to information, enables greater scrutiny across the private and public sectors so that there can be greater equality and efficiency of state action. In scrutiny is accountability and in accountability is better government. | Feb 13 18:03 |
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| jose__ | linux would gain | Feb 13 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentl... "Remember last week when a MarketWatch writer suggested the Madoff whistleblower, Harry Markopolos, should be handed the Securities and Exchange Commission chairmanship? " | Feb 13 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: for failurelog: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft... Woman sues Microsoft over Vista to XP 'downgrade' fee | Feb 13 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | "She's seeking class action status for her complaint." | Feb 13 18:06 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Feb 13 18:07 |
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| PetoKraus | i find it quite retarded to apply for a job with Lloyds | Feb 13 18:07 |
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| PetoKraus | when there's a chance I'm going to sue them | Feb 13 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://media.scenedaily.com/do... | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Banks? | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Why would you want to work for them? | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| PetoKraus | need €£€£ | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Let them die peacefully. | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| PetoKraus | and they have evening callcentre job | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Go to a job that has prospects. | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| PetoKraus | no | Feb 13 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| PetoKraus | i need money, for prospects there are placements in the summer | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| PetoKraus | there was this funny placement application | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| PetoKraus | for British Energy | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, short term, well, then go for it | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| PetoKraus | in Hartpool or where is the Nuke power plant | Feb 13 18:11 |
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| PetoKraus | doing some database management.... I might quite like it | Feb 13 18:12 |
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| PetoKraus | *Hartlepool | Feb 13 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Mysql? | Feb 13 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Surely PHP-Nuke | Feb 13 18:12 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 13 18:12 |
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| PetoKraus | no idea | Feb 13 18:13 |
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| PetoKraus | but they want someone computer-literate with scientific background | Feb 13 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Mummy.. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/02/12/... | Feb 13 18:14 |
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| *zer0c00l has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Feb 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | "Charter Communications Inc, which is controlled by Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen, will file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection by 1 April after striking a deal with senior debt holders yesterday." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... Will CNET be next? Paul Allen invested in them too and it's very pro-MS | Feb 13 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's pleas for bailout are signs that it's likely still a con artist, in terms of finances. | Feb 13 18:19 |
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| trmanco | what happens when I check "public terminal" on the slashdot login? | Feb 13 18:23 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: it won't cookie you? | Feb 13 18:23 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Feb 13 18:23 |
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| PetoKraus | off to movies ;) | Feb 13 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... cookie. | Feb 13 18:24 |
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| *zer0c00l advices schestowitz not to drink too much coffee :P (Hmmmmmmmmmmm) | Feb 13 18:26 |
| trmanco | PetoKraus, I have no idea | Feb 13 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I drink teas these days | Feb 13 18:28 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 13 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Coff33 makea m3 j9ttery | Feb 13 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Ian slams The Register: http://ianmurdock.com/2009/01/28/... | Feb 13 18:31 |
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| twitter | The Register has not been good for a while. Way too forgiving of M$ and less investigative than they were a few years ago. | Feb 13 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | Great chart here: http://www.cringely.com/2009/02/wa... | Feb 13 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Must SEE | Feb 13 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I hear from people that The Register sold out to Microsoft. They also have Microsoft-sympathetic writers among their staff | Feb 13 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Look at CItigroup | Feb 13 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Old Code and Old Licenses < http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/old_... > | Feb 13 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | Lightning talk: Linux defenders a.k.a. Open Invention Network - Keith Bergelt < http://lxer.com/module/newswire... > | Feb 13 18:42 |
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| twitter | a friend is looking for stock images. Where do you get yours? | Feb 13 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/i... "Hence my suggestion of a separate mailing list. If the only list mentioned in the LC is "ietf-comments", I think people are not likely to find "ietf" on their own." | Feb 13 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ietf.org/mail-archiv... | Feb 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Their list got flooded | Feb 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Complaints about those patents | Feb 13 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ietf.org/mail-archiv... http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/we... | Feb 13 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | Feb 13 18:46 |
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| twitter | thanks | Feb 13 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Watch the comments: http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/m... | Feb 13 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft gets told the truth in its own public corruption (affairs) blog | Feb 13 18:48 |
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| jose__ | roy, i worry a bit about noel's idea and noel | Feb 13 18:48 |
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| jose__ | it's reasonable to have more than one list | Feb 13 18:48 |
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| jose__ | but to think a small number would man that list means you might end up with a certain amount of censoring | Feb 13 18:49 |
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| jose__ | by default | Feb 13 18:49 |
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| jose__ | who decides what are "novel" ideas? | Feb 13 18:49 |
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| jose__ | anyway, if the list was accessible to many, then many might look at it | Feb 13 18:49 |
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| jose__ | noel is actually one that probably just wants peace | Feb 13 18:50 |
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| jose__ | the circles contrasting the market cap changed of the financial companies is the sort of thing that i imagine wall street loves to show off.. deception plays big.. show off the lies while you place your bets. | Feb 13 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Con artists | Feb 13 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch that MS site with the comments... they lie and hope that people will be stupid to buy it | Feb 13 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | '"She said Dish shares have been battered by a satellite launch failure, the loss of an AT&T contract and a lawsuit over patents held buy TiVo Inc. ''If any one of these issues reverses, the share price could move upward,'' she told clients in a note. ' http://cbs4denver.com/businesswir... | Feb 13 18:57 |
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| jose__ | how much do i have to pay to get Congress to hear me out? | Feb 13 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: let me check | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| jose__ | :-) | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | What's the name of Obama's wife? | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | It escaped me. | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| jose__ | umm | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| jose__ | michelle | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| jose__ | not sure how to spell it | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| jose__ | i think | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Let me wikiIt | Feb 13 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Mivhelle | Feb 13 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama | Feb 13 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Michelle | Feb 13 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/07/mi... | Feb 13 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | Leaked | Feb 13 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | “The campaign is pushing most breakfast attendees to contribute the $2,300 amount.” | Feb 13 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Even if you have already contributed the $4,600 maximum, the campaign can now also accept up to $28,500 per person through the Obama Victory Fund -the National Democratic Party’s Presidential campaign fund." | Feb 13 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome to the State of Bribery. | Feb 13 19:01 |
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| jose__ | did you post that already | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| jose__ | ah, yes, from january | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Guess what? Most of that $2300 isn't spent on omlette and coffee :-D | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| jose__ | i remember | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | That's also how Microsoft bribes analysts | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | "We'll pay you $300/hour to hive a talk" | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| jose__ | there is a little bit left over for a rainy day | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | *give | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| jose__ | *have | Feb 13 19:02 |
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| jose__ | if you can do both, why not hive a talk | Feb 13 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | EPO got its suffixed wrong. It should be .COM. | Feb 13 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www2009.org/silver.html ""The European patent system also offers a high level of legal certainty, as European patents are only granted following an in-depth examination and a comprehensive novelty search based on a collection of over 60 million documents. For more information, visit www.epo.org." | Feb 13 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's pro- and for-profit “Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-o... | Feb 13 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Marshall Phelps, Microsoft: “[The EPO] can’t distinguish between hardware and software so the patents get issued anyway." | Feb 13 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | If the economy degrades, EPO should be among the first to go. In Denmark, examiners were already laid off. | Feb 13 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | These are smart people. They should really learn or develop stuff rather than spend time granting people monopolies that do nothing but IMPEDE science. | Feb 13 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | yo, zer0c00l | Feb 13 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | bac from FOSDEM? | Feb 13 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. zoobab01 | Feb 13 19:14 |
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| zer0c00l | FOSDEM? | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| zer0c00l | ok | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| zer0c00l | for zoobab01 | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | No, wrong person, sorry | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah.....tea too works | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 13 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Asus braces for layoffs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/9... > | Feb 13 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Good picture here: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/... | Feb 13 19:17 |
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| balzac | I just borked my installation with compiz | Feb 13 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | What installation? | Feb 13 19:18 |
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| jose__ | novel can be anything | Feb 13 19:18 |
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| jose__ | there are so many combinations possible of common things | Feb 13 19:19 |
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| jose__ | never mind....... | Feb 13 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | all ideas are combinations. | Feb 13 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | novel="we believe this combination was not tried before" | Feb 13 19:21 |
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| jose__ | >> we’ll share learnings from our stores with our existing retail and OEM partners that are critical to our success | Feb 13 19:21 |
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| jose__ | to say that with a straight face | Feb 13 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Vizio to Stop Selling Plasma TVs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159500/vizio_... > | Feb 13 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: hehe. Sounds Familiar? NotSoSure. | Feb 13 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/200512301552... | Feb 13 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Taken down due to patent extortion/threat | Feb 13 19:22 |
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| jose__ | what was taken down | Feb 13 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Now MS has a new spiel: Vista7 out by xmas | Feb 13 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | "just wait.. don't touch macs or Linux... we have another vista coming and we pay a lot of people to rave about it...." | Feb 13 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: the plugins was taken down by sw patent harrassment | Feb 13 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/21/t... | Feb 13 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about this in ther.e | Feb 13 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Good: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... | Feb 13 19:27 |
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| jose__ | i missed that one roy.. about the gimp | Feb 13 19:28 |
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| jose__ | does pubat have a collection for foss | Feb 13 19:29 |
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| jose__ | do you | Feb 13 19:29 |
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| jose__ | anyway, what is really bad about mono | Feb 13 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Human rights committee calls Miliband and Smith for questioning over torture claims < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world... > | Feb 13 19:29 |
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| jose__ | is that it's not a result that is stopped, because that could apply no matter how you make it | Feb 13 19:29 |
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| jose__ | it's that no matter what you make (if ms patents appropriately) you will have a problem | Feb 13 19:29 |
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| jose__ | you don't lose part of some application | Feb 13 19:30 |
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| jose__ | you lose every part of every application | Feb 13 19:30 |
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| jose__ | at least if ms did the patenting thing right | Feb 13 19:30 |
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| jose__ | and i don't think it's difficult at all (relatively) to get right | Feb 13 19:30 |
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| jose__ | i mean ms does have enough cash and developers and lawyers | Feb 13 19:31 |
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| jose__ | and anger and fear | Feb 13 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: "Urgent Note: Boycott Kellogg's" http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov... | Feb 13 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: yes, agreed | Feb 13 19:31 |
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| jose__ | fwiw, i don't do pot.. i get the impression the cost/benefit is not worthwhile.. then again, i avoid pain killers and a bunch more things as much as possible so i may not be the best judge | Feb 13 19:34 |
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| trmanco | just 3 hours to 1234567890 | Feb 13 19:34 |
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| jose__ | oh | Feb 13 19:34 |
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| jose__ | that's one of those moments that happens not too frequently, right? | Feb 13 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: make popcorn | Feb 13 19:35 |
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| trmanco | jose__, yes | Feb 13 19:35 |
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| jose__ | what's the "date" command that converts from seconds since epoch to human time | Feb 13 19:35 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I might :-P | Feb 13 19:35 |
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| silentivm | jose__, date -d@<seconds> | Feb 13 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | jose__: firefox and waaabits will fly out of your computer if Linux is installed on it (or UNIX) | Feb 13 19:36 |
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| zer0c00l | good night | Feb 13 19:36 |
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| jose__ | he's probably going back to fosdem now | Feb 13 19:36 |
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| jose__ | j/k | Feb 13 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | No, that'd be zoobab01 | Feb 13 19:37 |
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| jose__ | date -d@0123456789 occurred in 1973 | Feb 13 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | microslft.com is DOWN | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | And other MS sites | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| jose__ | ie, -d1234..9 or less occurred by 1974 | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | It would be funny if they got pwned | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| jose__ | placing the zero the right way.... | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| jose__ | popcorn | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| tacone | hey schestowitz | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| jose__ | too bad linux didn't do something bigger with this | Feb 13 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | try it on your side | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://microsoft .com | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: i posted a comment on your site, in the 12th feb links | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: thanks, I got it | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| tacone | but it got deleted. did you read it? | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| tacone | ok | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Deleted? | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| tacone | yeah | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| tacone | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/12... | Feb 13 19:39 |
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| tacone | no prob. for me. I'd have said on irc but you were not here and I thought it was important. | Feb 13 19:40 |
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| tacone | guess it's just un-approved. | Feb 13 19:40 |
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| tacone | no need to approve it as long as you know the content. | Feb 13 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | I got this one: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/0... | Feb 13 19:40 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: just me posting on a page and recalling wrong | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| tacone | lol | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Phew | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| tacone | :-) | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | I hate it when something is claimed to be faulty | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| tacone | interesting, isn't it ? | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 13 19:41 |
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| tacone | interesting novell developed the desktop not the low level stuff. | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw Novlel involvment and was gona write about it | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| tacone | interesting they didn't ask to canonical | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Dell has a patent deal with MS/Novell I reckon | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | They 'joined' their deal | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| tacone | could be for MS sw integration | Feb 13 19:42 |
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| tacone | novell has the exclusive | Feb 13 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is back online | Feb 13 19:43 |
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| tacone | and that could allow(novell) to leverage their license to do MS stuff to get some extra work. | Feb 13 19:43 |
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| tacone | so Dell makes a step out of Microsoft slavery, but they still have to stay under novell. | Feb 13 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, good point | Feb 13 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | let me post about it in BN | Feb 13 19:45 |
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| tacone | furthermore, linux will be the booting process of windows | Feb 13 19:45 |
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| tacone | works like that: | Feb 13 19:45 |
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| tacone | computer starts and boots linux in arm. | Feb 13 19:45 |
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| twitter | I wonder if Asus losses have anything to do with XP on EEEPCs. | Feb 13 19:45 |
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| tacone | in the meant time windows 7 loads its libraries and viruses | Feb 13 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | /s/Linux/ballnux/ | Feb 13 19:46 |
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| tacone | "ballnux" always make me lol | Feb 13 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Today: Asus braces for layoffs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Feb 13 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | wb, Tallken | Feb 13 19:47 |
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| Tallken | hi schestowitz | Feb 13 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube Goes Offline < http://www.youtube.com/blog?ent... > | Feb 13 19:54 |
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| trmanco | Windows 7 gets 0wN3d http://nudel.kelbv.com/W7E_VID_D... | Feb 13 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | Is that news?? :-D | Feb 13 19:58 |
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| trmanco | no | Feb 13 19:58 |
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| trmanco | but it is good for the trolls | Feb 13 19:58 |
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| trmanco | remember the rm -fr / with SU powers? | Feb 13 19:59 |
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| trmanco | on Linux, coreutils got updated and that "bug" if we can call it a bug, no longer works | Feb 13 19:59 |
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| trmanco | now they can shut up, they have a lot to worry about | Feb 13 20:01 |
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| MinceR | nice | Feb 13 20:02 |
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| trmanco | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatings... | Feb 13 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I got it | Feb 13 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post the PDF to BN later. | Feb 13 20:04 |
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| twitter | ah ha, " Asustek missed its low-cost Eee notebook computer [target]" http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_co... | Feb 13 20:31 |
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| twitter | the price of M$ Partnership. | Feb 13 20:31 |
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| twitter | " Fourth-quarter Eee PC shipments of 1.4 million to 1.5 million were lower than the company's Oct. 30 target of 1.6 million to 1.8 million." Switched to XP, flunked out. | Feb 13 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | SUN is corrupting the LAMP term: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/mai... | Feb 13 20:33 |
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| twitter | "Global computer shipments dropped 0.4 percent" - in other words, someone else took their market | Feb 13 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS could have invested in developing its unque platform further. | Feb 13 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Instead it became "just another" sub-notebook vendor with thin margins it begs for from Microsoft | Feb 13 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Global shipment..." Don't believe that.. I bet it's from the liars from IDC.. someone pays for fake numbers | Feb 13 20:34 |
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| twitter | Could be, but M$ and partner declines are in excess of that 0.4%. M$ was in decline last year when PC shipments were up. | Feb 13 20:37 |
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| twitter | ASUS did, indeed, blow it. | Feb 13 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Windows down 11% according to the conartists | Feb 13 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know the real numbers and nobody knows. | Feb 13 20:38 |
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| twitter | M$ will punish ASUS, even though they screwed themselves. | Feb 13 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | They are a fierce business (Microsoft), they'll do what's good for Microsoft | Feb 13 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | But ASUS was stupid to allow a dependence on Microsoft | Feb 13 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Linux has no proprietor really. | Feb 13 20:39 |
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| twitter | That's the funny thing about M$ threats. M$ threatens. Victim complies. M$ punishes anyway. | Feb 13 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | HP was smart enough to OWN its OS... Ubuntu derivative | Feb 13 20:39 |
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| twitter | Yes, that's very smart but M$ can still punish them. | Feb 13 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS needs to familiarise itself with Comes vs Microsoft | Feb 13 20:39 |
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| twitter | Every Windows dependency is bad news for those who have it. | Feb 13 20:39 |
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| twitter | bbl | Feb 13 20:40 |
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| balzac | ok, I made a quick recovery | Feb 13 20:45 |
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| balzac | I had to purge compiz and reinstall the gnome desktop | Feb 13 20:45 |
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| balzac | the mistake I made was installing compiz for the hell of it and enabling one effect after another until I had to recover from the command line because gnome-desktop-environment wouldn't even launch | Feb 13 20:46 |
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| PetoKraus | compiz... | Feb 13 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's prebaked into distros | Feb 13 20:47 |
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| PetoKraus | some. | Feb 13 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's actually very robust on here. | Feb 13 20:48 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, i believe it is | Feb 13 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | And Novel/SUSE will give me flak for having it enabled (Madnriva default) | Feb 13 20:48 |
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| PetoKraus | i'll just wait for DRI2 | Feb 13 20:48 |
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| PetoKraus | so I can actually use some DRI application when i need it instead of fancy window manager | Feb 13 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | My desktop is 8 dual-head spaces that surround me | Feb 13 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | what GPU do you have? | Feb 13 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | XChat is on desktop 4 (convention) | Feb 13 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | NVIDIA 8600 something. | Feb 13 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | ah | Feb 13 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | using the blob, eh? :P | Feb 13 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i managed to cramp all my IM onto one desktop | Feb 13 20:50 |
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| PetoKraus | people can't understand it when they see it | Feb 13 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Someone ought to sell prebuilt machines like this | Feb 13 20:50 |
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| PetoKraus | and sometimes I think 2 workspaces for actual work are quite low | Feb 13 20:50 |
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| PetoKraus | *not enough | Feb 13 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Having people set up their own might scare them. But it's very user friendly. I can envision my grandparent using this thing without complaining. | Feb 13 20:50 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| PetoKraus | you've got 2 displays, right? | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i have heard that theoretically the drivers have support for 4 already | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I could do with one, I guess, but for the past years I've always used 2 | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| PetoKraus | obviously, that needs SLI card or whatever | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | *past 8 | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah... i can figure it's nice | Feb 13 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I don't like working on other people's PCs | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | i hate working with cinelerra on my laptop | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | though i don't have anything else | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | i could bloody use one screen just for the timeline :) | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I wanted to do triple, but I gave up on it (SLI) | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | yup | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Someone in Manchester Computing does triple. | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | that makes interesting gaming experience | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | If it gives decent framerate | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| PetoKraus | especially when you've got some games which do depth of field | Feb 13 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | If you lower the res, then what's the point | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | dual for FPS is no good | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | The gun and target is right at the split | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | you can use different-sized monitors :D | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Unless you have one widescreen | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | that'd just kill the point :D | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you beat me to it | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | I do here. | Feb 13 20:53 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Let me run xplane if I can find it | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| balzac | well, I didn't do anything crazy, I just made some configurations on the effects | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| PetoKraus | what's xplane? | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| balzac | and it brought gnome-desktop down so that it wouldn't even launch | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | MS Flight Simulator is dead. | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Its developers might actually manage to do something decent for society now | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| balzac | now I have to be productive for a while. | Feb 13 20:54 |
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| PetoKraus | balzac: go on :) | Feb 13 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, look how badly Silver Lie is doing: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/1009... (Charts) | Feb 13 20:56 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm there seems to be an opensource MMORPG | Feb 13 20:56 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: get 3 monitors then :> | Feb 13 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | No wonder Novell needs the vassals/primates to help them out for cash | Feb 13 20:56 |
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| MinceR | or an odd number, anyway | Feb 13 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: electricity bill | Feb 13 20:57 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: yeah, you need SLI though for that | Feb 13 20:57 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 13 20:57 |
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| PetoKraus | as most cards give you 2 outports only AFAIK | Feb 13 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Also, one is widescreen 24', so it's OK | Feb 13 20:57 |
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| PetoKraus | man, i really want to have this new Xorg stack released ASAP | Feb 13 20:58 |
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| PetoKraus | they are doing such nice things | Feb 13 20:58 |
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| PetoKraus | (phoronix being the prime source of news) | Feb 13 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Let's say that a 2nd display adds 30% to pace, then a third might help by 15% (made up figure) and a fourth another 7.5%... | Feb 13 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | So it's not worth the money at some stage. | Feb 13 20:59 |
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| PetoKraus | pace? | Feb 13 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Productivity/work pace | Feb 13 20:59 |
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| PetoKraus | aha | Feb 13 20:59 |
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| PetoKraus | well i am glad I don't need to have multiple displays | Feb 13 21:00 |
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| PetoKraus | desktops are fine | Feb 13 21:00 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm gonna crash now | Feb 13 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2... | Feb 13 21:00 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 13 21:04 |
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| PetoKraus | it needs to download updates | Feb 13 21:04 |
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| PetoKraus | at AWFUL 220kB/s | Feb 13 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, rigwit | Feb 13 21:09 |
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| rigwit | hello | Feb 13 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 13 21:09 |
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| rigwit | notta, checking out the widget at the moment | Feb 13 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: with good windows management you don't need multi-head | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | It also depends on what you do, e.g. CAD, data processing, gaming, etc. | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| PetoKraus | there are things where it's needed though | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | I only need dual for reading/browsing stuff | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| PetoKraus | Graphics, dense research | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Preview/edit split | Feb 13 21:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i quite don't like having to switch VD's when I need to check something on google/periodic table from my document | Feb 13 21:11 |
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| PetoKraus | it's still better than alt-tabbing though | Feb 13 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | In compiz go to upper right conrner (by default) | Feb 13 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Or use CTRL+Fx | Feb 13 21:11 |
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| PetoKraus | ALT+Fx here | Feb 13 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Huh? | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | alt+f4 too? :-) | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| PetoKraus | E17 | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| PetoKraus | for closing window i've got win+C | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | e17 is getting ompiz | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | did you see? | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| PetoKraus | no it isn't | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Sort of | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| PetoKraus | there is a module, called ecomorph | Feb 13 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/elive-de... | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | which is compiz backend which works with E17 as a window manager | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | elive != E17 | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | i seen the news | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | compositing is not planned until... uh, E19 i think | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&... | Feb 13 21:13 |
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| PetoKraus | once E is pushed out, it'll make life easier | Feb 13 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | stable API's to write modules | Feb 13 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | as there is no trayer ATM and no compositing ATM | Feb 13 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'll oggify it | Feb 13 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, i can dl from youtube | Feb 13 21:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm thinking about yorkshire pudding with cheese, ham and olives | Feb 13 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | what do you say? :) | Feb 13 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | i've been using elive quite a lot | Feb 13 21:16 |
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| PetoKraus | it's been my first distro | Feb 13 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post it to FP | Feb 13 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | I'm waiting for my dinner to cool down still.. | Feb 13 21:17 |
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| PetoKraus | the music is irritating | Feb 13 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's kind of strong. | Feb 13 21:18 |
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| PetoKraus | the video is poorly edited | Feb 13 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Makes it look like elive is for anachists | Feb 13 21:19 |
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| PetoKraus | there are some QUITE annoying effects used | Feb 13 21:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, in terms of video editing | Feb 13 21:19 |
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| PetoKraus | but it looks pretty | Feb 13 21:20 |
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| trmanco | http://unhappybirthday.com/ | Feb 13 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/200... | Feb 13 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: it's good to show that there are not just two games/shows in town | Feb 13 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. Another FileZilla Fan < http://blog.datamation.com/blog/2009/02... > | Feb 13 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | Konqueror reigns | Feb 13 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: licensing@ascap.com ..... this reminds me o the Mono thing. | Feb 13 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/prote... | Feb 13 21:29 |
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| trmanco | ascap, weird name | Feb 13 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | 'Don't Click' Attack Strikes Twitter Users -- "Using the simplest of social engineering hacks -- an enticing message with a link, labeled "don't click" -- a "clickjacking" exploit of the Twitter microblogging service flooded its network today, hijacking users' status to spread itself before the link could be shut down. " http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/38... | Feb 13 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe pronnounced As-cape | Feb 13 21:36 |
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| trmanco | *LOL* | Feb 13 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Someone need to invest a libre HB song. | Feb 13 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | need to check though for violation of cords | Feb 13 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Some stupid musicians have their notion of "violating" music... and good luck 'browsing' or searching music for infingments | Feb 13 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | People's music is an expression of what they simply hear anyway | Feb 13 21:39 |
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| PetoKraus | yeeechaaaa | Feb 13 21:47 |
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| PetoKraus | i won a trial | Feb 13 21:47 |
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| PetoKraus | i shouldn't be happy, but i still am | Feb 13 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Settlement? | Feb 13 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Or trial of BetaVista7? | Feb 13 21:52 |
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| PetoKraus | no... | Feb 13 21:52 |
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| PetoKraus | alimony | Feb 13 21:52 |
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| PetoKraus | (for me, not from me) | Feb 13 21:52 |
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| PetoKraus | from €£60 to €£250 a month. He's not going to pay it anyway, but still | Feb 13 21:54 |
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| PetoKraus | feels good to be right. | Feb 13 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Anti-GPL: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2009/2/12/are-y... | Feb 13 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Advocacy of Mono toyz: http://maketecheasier.com/gnome-do-d... | Feb 13 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Geez. IDG *IS* ful of trolls http://www.mepis.org/node/14212 | Feb 13 22:28 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Genesis - Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (Selling England By The Pound) | Feb 13 22:29 |
| PetoKraus | this song is especially true for today's economic situation | Feb 13 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 13 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | If it were not for IDG having SJVN, it would be garbage worthy | Feb 13 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Fighting Dell’s customer support service… < http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress... > | Feb 13 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Classic this one (on why people foolishly forget about _Freedom_ and think FOSS is about visibility alone): http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/... | Feb 13 22:39 |
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| PetoKraus | heh | Feb 13 22:43 |
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| PetoKraus | couple of my friends can | Feb 13 22:43 |
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| PetoKraus | expect some text messages | Feb 13 22:43 |
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| PetoKraus | >.> | Feb 13 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Some people misunderstand.... sort of. "There are many, perhaps 300, distributions of Linux. A distribution is the Linux kernel with hundreds or even thousands of GNU programs included. " http://cyrwyn.wordpress.com/2009/0... | Feb 13 22:44 |
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| PetoKraus | haha! it works!!!!! | Feb 13 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | UK Sticks with 70 Years for Music Copyright < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/uk... > | Feb 13 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | More proof that people can only ever RENT the iPhone: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... | Feb 13 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | They pay a lot for a license to hire APPLE's 'I' phone. | Feb 13 23:03 |
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| silentivm | try and tell that to an Apple fanboy | Feb 13 23:03 |
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| silentivm | they will never accept this fact | Feb 13 23:04 |
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| silentivm | :) | Feb 13 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | They love Apple | Feb 13 23:04 |
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| silentivm | yes, I know a fanboy which blindly loves Apple | Feb 13 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Stevie Jooby is their buddy.. can trust him even if he bricks their phonie. | Feb 13 23:04 |
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| silentivm | anything that Apple makes is great, but if (say) Nokia had created the iPhone, they would say "OK, nobody needs it" | Feb 13 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | The Inquirer/Register calls it "Jesusphone" for a reason. | Feb 13 23:05 |
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| silentivm | :D | Feb 13 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Content Is Advertising; Advertising Is Content... On SNL < http://techdirt.com/articles... << - realisation that in broadcast the advertising is called "content" and the show/song is called "fill" | Feb 13 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | "However, when police demand to be able to access the recordings even when there was no crime, as they apparently want to do in the pub in Islington, that is dangerous. We know they will use this against protestors and dissidents." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-n... | Feb 13 23:25 |
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| trmanco | epoch time has passed | Feb 13 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | o | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | /\ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | /::\ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | /::::\ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | ,a_a /\::::/\ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | {/ ''\_ /\ \::/\ \ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | {\ ,_oo) /\ \ \/\ \ \ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | {/ (_^____/ \ \ \ \ \ \ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | .=. {/ \___)))*) \ \ \ \ \/ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | (.=.`\ {/ /=; ~/ \ \ \ \/ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | \ `\{/( \/\ / \ \ \/ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | \ `. `\ ) ) \ \/ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | jgs \ // /_/_ \/ | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | '==''---)))) | Feb 13 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | MySQL competitor says something and InfoWeek puts it in the headline as though it's undeniably true: MySQL Exits May Open Sun Customers To Other Databases < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/d... >. Sensationalism. | Feb 13 23:44 |
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| MinceR | happy 1234567890 | Feb 13 23:49 |
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