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| oiaohm | schestowitz: you slipped up. Redhat Virtualistion deal with MS is after something. 2008 can run a unlimited number of windows servers inside the ms hypervisor under 1 licence. | Feb 17 00:20 |
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| oiaohm | Now if redhat can get the same hello cheep central server running of windows. | Feb 17 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | So who came to who? | Feb 17 00:21 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat has been after the deal for 4 years. | Feb 17 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Just virt? | Feb 17 00:22 |
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| oiaohm | But would never sign off on patents unless it covered open source. | Feb 17 00:22 |
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| oiaohm | Virt is just a small bit of it. | Feb 17 00:22 |
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| oiaohm | It really shows how weak MS is at moment. | Feb 17 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | I did say this | Feb 17 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, OK... | Feb 17 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | You said I slipped up. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | For omission? | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| oiaohm | Yep | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Because I have a third post coming. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| oiaohm | Ok | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | First is about Novell slipping up | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| oiaohm | You normally don't miss little details. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | I had some /, modpoints today and I picked some stuff there. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| oiaohm | That are important. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| MinceR | slashcomma? :> | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | I'll mention this. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| oiaohm | Also kvm and qemu are becoming the same thing. | Feb 17 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: slashtypo :-) | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | well it's about time | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I'll attribute this to you. | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm tired of fkn proprietary Virtualbox | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: what are they going to be called? | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: agreed | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| MinceR | though my main issue with virtualbox is its unreliability | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | (there's no OSE for amd64) | Feb 17 00:25 |
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| benJIman | If only it were possible to run 32bit software on amd64. | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| MinceR | plus, during the day that has ended about 1h 33m ago, i've figured out networking in kvm/libvirt | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| PetoKraus | benJIman: oh come on | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| PetoKraus | you know what i mean | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| MinceR | so now i can move to kvm :) | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| oiaohm | http://ovirt.org/ also I guess redhat will want windows servers to work with there virtualisation management software. | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| benJIman | I have no problem with it on amd64 :) | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| MinceR | (firestarter was completely messing with it) | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't want to have whole dependency stack just because of it | Feb 17 00:26 |
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| PetoKraus | and yes | Feb 17 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | my system is not multilib | Feb 17 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | because that's the PROPER way | Feb 17 00:27 |
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| benJIman | Doing it incorrectly. | Feb 17 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | no | Feb 17 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | doing it like a wank... NOT. | Feb 17 00:27 |
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| MinceR | (actually, mostly a cow orker did the figuring out for me.) | Feb 17 00:28 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat vitiralisation is KVM that is also tightly bound to QEMU. I thinkt that is you question MinceR | Feb 17 00:29 |
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| oiaohm | KVM also support Linux kernel page sharing. | Feb 17 00:29 |
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| benJIman | Yes having my pain free openoffice, wine, games, virtualbox et al is so inconvenient. | Feb 17 00:29 |
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| MinceR | i mean, after qemu and kvm merge, what are they going to call the result? | Feb 17 00:30 |
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| *benJIman sleeps. | Feb 17 00:30 |
| oiaohm | kvm will remain kvm as the kernel module | Feb 17 00:30 |
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| oiaohm | qemu will remain qemu for the userspace parts. | Feb 17 00:30 |
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| oiaohm | Neither is naming changing. | Feb 17 00:30 |
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| MinceR | so qemu will be called qemu even if it relies on kvm? | Feb 17 00:31 |
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| MinceR | i remember having a kvm executable, that's why i'm asking. | Feb 17 00:31 |
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| oiaohm | kvm executable will go by by. | Feb 17 00:31 |
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| MinceR | ic | Feb 17 00:31 |
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| MinceR | makes sense. | Feb 17 00:31 |
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| oiaohm | Insead qemu will be able to run using kvm or using internal emulation. | Feb 17 00:31 |
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| oiaohm | or still the old kernel mode speed up. | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | benJIman: well, let me tell you one thing. Ooo works under amd64, native. I don't care about wine, i play only FOSS games nowadays, most of which are ported to amd64. The virtualisation is the only thing which is annoying me, just because there is no FOSS version of VBox, when there's FOSS version of 32bit VBox and prop version of 64bit VBox | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | got my point? | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | now, honestly | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | SHUT THE FIRTH UP! | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| MinceR | :D | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| benJIman | I find the 64bit OOo quite unstable compared to the 32bit build. | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | I find YOU being novell troll | Feb 17 00:32 |
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| oiaohm | 64 bit OOo from who benJIman | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| PetoKraus | but hey | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| oiaohm | 64 bit OOo from openoffice download page is good. | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| PetoKraus | maybe if you used vanilla packages | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| oiaohm | 64 bit from go-oo suxs. | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| PetoKraus | but that doesnae work for yee, benjeeeboy | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| oiaohm | Yes the novell one. | Feb 17 00:33 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess you finally grasped my point | Feb 17 00:34 |
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| PetoKraus | now, let's go back to sleep. | Feb 17 00:34 |
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| benJIman | Your point seems to be that "not being able to run 32bit apps is better than being able to run them" which doesn't seem to make sense. | Feb 17 00:34 |
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| benJIman | Anyway it's late. /me sleeps. | Feb 17 00:34 |
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| PetoKraus | oh for god's sake | Feb 17 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | where are you from | Feb 17 00:35 |
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| oiaohm | I think brain is overrun with lack of sleep. | Feb 17 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | or is absent completely | Feb 17 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | who votes for 2? | Feb 17 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | my bloody point is, that i don't see a reason, why there is 32bit OSE edition not 64bit OSE edition, when there are both 32bit and 64bit proprietary editions. | Feb 17 00:36 |
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| MinceR | it's because sun hates floss | Feb 17 00:37 |
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| MinceR | and they hate you unless you buy solaris and all that crap from them | Feb 17 00:37 |
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| PetoKraus | kick it in the head then | Feb 17 00:37 |
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| MinceR | while they posture as teh great floss guys | Feb 17 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Novell/SUSE people like benJIman advocate the flaky forks of OOo, notably Go-OOXML | Feb 17 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | OOo never crashed on me... not that I can remember such an incident... ever. | Feb 17 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | And I use an AMD 64 CPU in 32 bit mode on this partition. | Feb 17 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | The Ubuntu box (32 bit) at work never had OOo crashes, either. | Feb 17 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | With kate and OOo I'd fell comfortable working for long periods of time without saving because data is never lost by accident.. same with Firefox. It just works. | Feb 17 00:45 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 00:46 |
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| PetoKraus | the other day i was sending my CV somewhere | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | they had limit 100kB on a file | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | the PDF just wouldn't fit! | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | i had to print the odt to postscript | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Or a DOC with a trail of invisible junk | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | open it in evince | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | and print it to pdf | Feb 17 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Sites should not do this upload thing | Feb 17 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | People can upload their CV to some Webspace (even Google something) | Feb 17 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | Then people like recruiters can be given the URL | Feb 17 00:48 |
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| PetoKraus | 260kB pdf from OOo vs 19kB pdf printed like that | Feb 17 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | You can keep it up to date this way | Feb 17 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | No "we've noticed that you haven't updates your CV for XX months, please come and upload it again" | Feb 17 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | linkedin is a nice thing though | Feb 17 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i think i'm gonna join it soon | Feb 17 00:50 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Feb 17 00:50 |
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| PetoKraus | good night, tomorrow's long day | Feb 17 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find my account there in Google | Feb 17 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Ah well... | Feb 17 00:53 |
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| oiaohm | Alter the export options PetoKraus | Feb 17 00:56 |
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| oiaohm | I have had over sized openoffice one reduce a lot from open office turning a few thing off. | Feb 17 00:57 |
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| oiaohm | Turn off bookmarks and lock the export dpi cuts size down massively PetoKraus | Feb 17 00:58 |
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| oiaohm | OpenOffice defaults to 1200 DPI | Feb 17 00:59 |
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| oiaohm | Most cases that is overkill. | Feb 17 00:59 |
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| oiaohm | O well Have to tell him when it turns up again. | Feb 17 01:00 |
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| MinceR | there is no 'overkill'. there is only 'open fire' and 'reload'. | Feb 17 01:00 |
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| MinceR | :> | Feb 17 01:00 |
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| oiaohm | PDF form mode as about 15 kb even if document is not a form. | Feb 17 01:01 |
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| oiaohm | Yes some areas of OpenOffice export to PDF need kicking. | Feb 17 01:01 |
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| oiaohm | Scan doc work out what is needed then export not export and pray. | Feb 17 01:01 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 17 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: the engine is Free sofwtare | Feb 17 01:03 |
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| oiaohm | I really have to learn enough of OpenOffice one day to fix a more critical problem. | Feb 17 01:04 |
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| oiaohm | Spell checking without a dic returns no matter what you have typed as spelt correctly. | Feb 17 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | I think I know about it | Feb 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | 3.1 will have grammar checking built in | Feb 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not that I find these things to be more than a distraction, esp. if you type fast and require proofreading anyway | Feb 17 01:08 |
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| oiaohm | Not exactly built in. | Feb 17 01:08 |
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| oiaohm | 3.1 has grammer checking hooks so third party engines like languagetool can work prefectly. | Feb 17 01:08 |
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| balzac | what's up my nizzles? | Feb 17 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | Gotta eat some shizzles | Feb 17 01:10 |
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| MinceR | ew | Feb 17 01:11 |
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| balzac | one dude, one cup | Feb 17 01:12 |
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| MinceR | exactly | Feb 17 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Waddup with FSDaily? | Feb 17 01:12 |
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| balzac | not sure, is there no new content? you should ask dave what's up. | Feb 17 01:13 |
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| balzac | snoop used "shizzle" in place of sure | Feb 17 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Not much activity | Feb 17 01:13 |
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| balzac | fo shizzle mah nizzle | Feb 17 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | I've listened to snoop since I was like 14 | Feb 17 01:13 |
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| balzac | too bad he went soft on marijuana | Feb 17 01:13 |
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| balzac | right after he got the cover of high times magazine | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | the #groklaw channel is empty too | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| balzac | then he says he's done with pot | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Same with #distrowatch.. | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| balzac | now he's smokin again | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| balzac | maybe that's from a netsplit | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | * Now talking on #distrowatch | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <guy> hello | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> hey | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <guy> what's new ? | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <guy> i'm using mandriva 2008.1 | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> same here | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> mandriva 2008.1 | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> <schestowitz> same here | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | <guy> works on my sony laptop | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| balzac | my friend steve hager is the editor of high times magazine | Feb 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Smoking... Marlboro? | Feb 17 01:15 |
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| balzac | he could use some more support from snoop | Feb 17 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Fo' shizzle! | Feb 17 01:15 |
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| balzac | snoop ought to do the cover of high times again and swear his allegience to the chronic lifestyle evermore | Feb 17 01:15 |
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| balzac | to make up for losing heart | Feb 17 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhh... the Chronic | Feb 17 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Aaagghh#@@#$ Digg has been so f*ing broken recently. | Feb 17 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | Pages /may/... randomly... actually load PROPERLY | Feb 17 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | Ron Paul was OK.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Feb 17 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | Funny how Fox sneaks in all the propaganda footage... ... | Feb 17 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7JPvbVs... | Feb 17 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | Here they are getting their arse kicked :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctlm... | Feb 17 02:53 |
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| MethodOne | just submitted the "bn" acronym for boycott novell on acronymfinder.com | Feb 17 03:19 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! Thank you. | Feb 17 03:19 |
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| schestowitz | This guy cites us: http://ottawaboy.blogspot.com/2009/02/micros... "To all those yokels trumpetting how Microsoft is suddenly helping out Red Hat Linux ..yeah ..stop trumpeting. They do that all the time. And then later betray you. Quit that." | Feb 17 03:23 |
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| MethodOne | twitter, do you actually use twitter? | Feb 17 04:30 |
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| oiaohm | http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/r... hmm where are the 2008 servers. | Feb 17 07:43 |
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| oiaohm | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s... Aparently MS is not eating there latest product. | Feb 17 07:48 |
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| MinceR | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/... | Feb 17 07:51 |
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| oiaohm | Photoshop is growing teeth. | Feb 17 07:55 |
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| oiaohm | I somehow can see people in time moving to wine so its teeth are not harmful. | Feb 17 07:56 |
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| PetoKraus | oiaohm: thanks for tip | Feb 17 07:56 |
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| PetoKraus | and good morning | Feb 17 07:56 |
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| oiaohm | Its good night I will be disappearing to tea soon PetoKraus | Feb 17 07:57 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 17 07:58 |
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| PetoKraus | you from? | Feb 17 07:58 |
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| PetoKraus | AU? | Feb 17 07:58 |
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| oiaohm | Australia | Feb 17 07:58 |
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| oiaohm | Yep | Feb 17 07:58 |
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| oiaohm | I have used openoffice for years I know where most of its annoyances are. | Feb 17 07:59 |
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| oiaohm | Compared to MS Office 2007 its friendly. | Feb 17 07:59 |
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| PetoKraus | one more question if i may | Feb 17 07:59 |
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| PetoKraus | how the hell do you insert a text field :D | Feb 17 07:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i've been struggling with that one for about two years | Feb 17 08:00 |
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| oiaohm | That is one area I don't have prefect myself. | Feb 17 08:03 |
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| PetoKraus | :) k | Feb 17 08:04 |
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| PetoKraus | see you later | Feb 17 08:04 |
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| MinceR | hay | Feb 17 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 17 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | BN's Netcraft rank climbed to 2300th on the Web this morning :-) | Feb 17 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Novell still operates at huge losses. Layoffs are liekly this week | Feb 17 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: i quote you.. | Feb 17 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/17/red-ha... | Feb 17 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Feb 17 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Feuding iPhone fart-makers raise legal stink < http://www.theregister.co.uk... > | Feb 17 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. We're cited in ComputerWorld and other such 'big' sites (PCWorld): http://www.pcworld.com/article/159615/microsoft_red... | Feb 17 12:16 |
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| oiaohm | Nice schestowitz | Feb 17 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | We made FP of LinuxToday | Feb 17 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | That is good work. | Feb 17 12:42 |
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| oiaohm | Also going to lead to server strain. | Feb 17 12:42 |
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| oiaohm | There is a real bad chance that slashdot will follow soon. | Feb 17 12:42 |
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| oiaohm | You did you backups recently schestowitz? | Feb 17 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but not tested them | Feb 17 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | I need to check if I can put mysql on the Fedora boxe | Feb 17 12:43 |
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| oiaohm | The nightmares of these major news events. | Feb 17 12:44 |
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| oiaohm | Poor server strain. | Feb 17 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | No, I don't have a mysql front end | Feb 17 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | -bash-3.2$ apropos mysql | Feb 17 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | mysql-libs (rpm) - The shared libraries required for MySQL clients | Feb 17 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | mysql_table [] (5) - Postfix MySQL client configuration | Feb 17 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | Let's try Ubuntu PCs | Feb 17 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | roy@baine:~$ mysql | Feb 17 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | The program 'mysql' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: | Feb 17 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | sudo apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 | Feb 17 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | -bash: mysql: command not found | Feb 17 12:46 |
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| oiaohm | I normally isntall graphical on Ubuntu and fedora. | Feb 17 12:47 |
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| oiaohm | Simpler. | Feb 17 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | Madriva community edition doesn't let the user get it off the repos | Feb 17 12:47 |
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| oiaohm | I am still waiting on my debain dvd to download. | Feb 17 12:48 |
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| oiaohm | i386 and 64 in one as a backup incase all goes wrong. | Feb 17 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts... "I suppose it is clear that both Red Hat and Microsoft feel they they can gain something with this deal. Customers will most likely, I suppose." | Feb 17 12:55 |
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| oiaohm | MS hopes costomers. | Feb 17 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | " Is it moonshine... or is it monkey rum? I don't like it because there's Microsoft in there somewhere. But I like having a competitor to Flash that encourages Adobe to keep supporting Linux." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l... | Feb 17 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: "hopes" or "ropes" | Feb 17 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat long term plans include desktop. | Feb 17 12:57 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat + MS server os's + working Linux desktop. O hell | Feb 17 12:58 |
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| oiaohm | Now you need windows licences to run those bugger programs that cannot be ported quicky. | Feb 17 12:58 |
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| oiaohm | MS basically hopes customers. | Feb 17 12:59 |
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| oiaohm | If you had read the redhat virtualisation projects. They include running virtual os on demard for individual users. | Feb 17 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Time sharing.. | Feb 17 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | MS can use the EULA against it, which it does. | Feb 17 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | 2008 server? | Feb 17 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | EULA has a clause that allows it. | Feb 17 13:03 |
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| oiaohm | Its a really interesting read. You can run as many 2008 servers on a single hyper-v system even transfer them to other hyper-v servers. Then also allow graphical remote administation. | Feb 17 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat has really key reasons to want to try to get 2008 virtual under there system with the same clause. | Feb 17 13:05 |
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| oiaohm | Now lets see how far Redhat can push this. | Feb 17 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not so delighted about this.. | Feb 17 13:11 |
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| oiaohm | Also thing people forget is MS called | Feb 17 13:11 |
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| oiaohm | Redhated KVM backwards. | Feb 17 13:11 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat has really given up no ground. | Feb 17 13:12 |
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| oiaohm | MS could have always worked out a hacked up way to make redhat work under there hypervisor. | Feb 17 13:12 |
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| oiaohm | Open specs do cause that problem. | Feb 17 13:12 |
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| oiaohm | MS is the only one that has really given up anything. | Feb 17 13:12 |
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| oiaohm | Now Redhat working with MS to take over the computer world that is a major problem. | Feb 17 13:21 |
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| oiaohm | Redhat always finds way to extract money. | Feb 17 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | So what's in it for Microsoft? | Feb 17 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft benefits from this. How so? | Feb 17 13:24 |
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| oiaohm | That is my problem. | Feb 17 13:26 |
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| oiaohm | Benifits for MS are limited. | Feb 17 13:26 |
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| oiaohm | Slows down businesses from doing full conversions and dumping wndows completely. | Feb 17 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | So who loses other than NOVL? http://www.itwire.com/content... | Feb 17 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | Gives MS a chance of having a cluster management system that works on the most comon OS used in bigger systems. | Feb 17 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | Really NOVL does not lose. | Feb 17 13:28 |
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| oiaohm | The real loser is cyrix the owner of Xen. | Feb 17 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | Citrix? | Feb 17 13:29 |
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| oiaohm | Yep Citrix | Feb 17 13:29 |
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| oiaohm | They sold out to microsoft allowing MS to make Hyper-v. | Feb 17 13:29 |
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| oiaohm | Now in the future Hyper-v and Xen might to be used at all. | Feb 17 13:29 |
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| oiaohm | So they are the big losser in this. | Feb 17 13:29 |
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| oiaohm | Novel can alter to using KVM just as much as anything else. | Feb 17 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | Only thing Novel lost is execuitlivity. Citrix could have basically lost there complete market. | Feb 17 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | I don't view it like this. | Feb 17 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Citrix does MS a favour | Feb 17 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Same with EMC (for VMware) | Feb 17 13:31 |
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| oiaohm | No Citrix got something in return. | Feb 17 13:32 |
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| oiaohm | means to thin client windows. | Feb 17 13:32 |
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| oiaohm | they were prepared to sell there soul for it. | Feb 17 13:32 |
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| oiaohm | And it going to turn out not to be worth it. | Feb 17 13:33 |
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| oiaohm | Xen had tried many ways to get that. | Feb 17 13:35 |
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| oiaohm | As with all MS deals what you get from them in most cases turns out to be worthless long term. | Feb 17 13:38 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess Beranger's move to yet another CMS is nice time to stop looking at his blog | Feb 17 14:17 |
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| PetoKraus | especially he's a wank and want's me to move my feed to the new location | Feb 17 14:18 |
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| PetoKraus | for goodness sake, can't he just replace the feeds? | Feb 17 14:18 |
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| MinceR | i think RHEL did work under m$'s hypervisor, the only thing they wanted is that RH provide official support for it. | Feb 17 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | Yep it did. | Feb 17 14:19 |
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| oiaohm | Because novel could. | Feb 17 14:19 |
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| oiaohm | Remember shared kernel source. | Feb 17 14:19 |
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| oiaohm | RHEL really has not given up much. | Feb 17 14:19 |
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| oiaohm | Does it stop redhat recommending against Hyper-v nop. | Feb 17 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: let me see......... | Feb 17 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe! WordPress. | Feb 17 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I ditched him over a month ago. Been happier since. Radu lost his way..... | Feb 17 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: let's see if this stops the FUD | Feb 17 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | If Microsoft retracts the threats, *that* would be progress. | Feb 17 14:25 |
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| oiaohm | the game is a foot. | Feb 17 14:25 |
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| oiaohm | Now that MS has done that deal with redhat others could ask for the same deal. | Feb 17 14:25 |
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| oiaohm | Before MS knows where they are they could be up to there ears in OS's. | Feb 17 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?page=3k ; http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary | Feb 17 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | He's maintaining a very fragmented Web site | Feb 17 14:26 |
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| oiaohm | Deck of cards. | Feb 17 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I thought about that] | Feb 17 14:27 |
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| oiaohm | We both know how bad Word press is. | Feb 17 14:27 |
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| oiaohm | If you don't know how to set it up right it drives you nuts. | Feb 17 14:27 |
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| MinceR | 153115 < oiaohm> the game is a foot. | Feb 17 14:28 |
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| MinceR | Gnome? :> | Feb 17 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn... "This agreement, however, is not a problem. " | Feb 17 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I've done WP for 5 years. It got a lot easier. | Feb 17 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't even have theme management at the time, so it all needed to be done manually. | Feb 17 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/... | Feb 17 14:29 |
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| oiaohm | You know like me what brings it down schestowitz | Feb 17 14:33 |
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| oiaohm | Question is how long until beranger brings it in on him self. | Feb 17 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | You think he'll 'retire' again? | Feb 17 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | Is the original LinuxHater still active? | Feb 17 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | Its funny with Linuxhater he is trying to start up the Linux hates windows. | Feb 17 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | And vice verser. | Feb 17 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | Does not work with a person like me that hates parts of windows hates parts of mac and hates parts of Linux. | Feb 17 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like itch-scratching, but what's the point? | Feb 17 14:36 |
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| oiaohm | Ok lot of myths about Linux turn up there. | Feb 17 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | Binary compadiblity has to be the biggest one going. | Feb 17 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | Linux kernel and low level librarys put nothing in the way of distributions being binary compadible. | Feb 17 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | Only thing is the package manager distributitor of application uses that really creates the wall. | Feb 17 14:38 |
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| oiaohm | Linux hater is getting desperate. Trying to create new insulting terms. COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE | Feb 17 14:39 |
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| oiaohm | Problem is COCK applies to windows users they just don't know it yet. | Feb 17 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Acronym, eh? | Feb 17 14:40 |
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| oiaohm | Yep use to work in the past. | Feb 17 14:40 |
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| oiaohm | Create a new term start to being thrown at each other start a big flamewar. | Feb 17 14:41 |
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| oiaohm | Note KDE works on windows. | Feb 17 14:41 |
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| oiaohm | He is even slipping. | Feb 17 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | KDE is very good.. | Feb 17 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | North Atlantic is world's 'climate superpower' < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126955.400-n... > | Feb 17 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Dell might embrace Android: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100... | Feb 17 14:44 |
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| oiaohm | Windows mobile is dead in the water. | Feb 17 14:45 |
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| oiaohm | Everything it is competing against is either a maker internal OS or a free one. | Feb 17 14:45 |
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| oiaohm | Phones are cut throat. | Feb 17 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia is chopped beaf. | Feb 17 14:48 |
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| oiaohm | Yep Nokia cannot work out exactly where they are going. | Feb 17 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's likely to reluctantly lean more and more on Maemo, over time... but Android too would be tempting. It has given revealing interviews to Reuters about its Linux lust. | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| oiaohm | All they know is they are going to keep on producing phones. | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| oiaohm | No matter the OS on them. | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| oiaohm | People will always want small device to put in pocket. | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | People pay for UIs, not h/w... in reality, not technically. | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia makes money selling h/w, but people don't choose based on s/w | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | */hw | Feb 17 14:49 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | people usually choose on price | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | or on what can it do | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | That too, but | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | which is a mesh of both, hw and soft | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Some people pay over $1000 for iPhone lockin | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | To RENT a phone | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | but that falls under the first category | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | like my uncle | Feb 17 14:50 |
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| PetoKraus | he was told he can get an iphone for €£2 on his contract | Feb 17 14:51 |
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| oiaohm | Now nokia has to provide the UI users want. | Feb 17 14:51 |
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| PetoKraus | and his contract is quite huge (€£100 a month) | Feb 17 14:51 |
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| oiaohm | So nokia is not locked in. | Feb 17 14:51 |
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| PetoKraus | so he was like "i don't care, i'll change the phone back to what I owned before if i don't like it" | Feb 17 14:51 |
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| oiaohm | Now selling for a price means you cannot be buying OSs. | Feb 17 14:51 |
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| oiaohm | That is MS problem the two biggest companies they can sell there OS to are not interested in paying more than 0 dollars. | Feb 17 14:52 |
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| oiaohm | Issue MS has they don't want the desktop market turning into that or they are completely sunk. | Feb 17 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | An open-source solution for planning aorta stent grafts < http://www.springerlink.com/content... > | Feb 17 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's why Microsoft needs to make phone (hw | Feb 17 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | there's no guarntee it won't be another Zune-like disaster that loses a fortune. | Feb 17 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Rumurs revolve around an nvidia collab | Feb 17 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | But nvidia has just announced an Android collab | Feb 17 14:56 |
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| oiaohm | That is exactly the problem. | Feb 17 14:56 |
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| oiaohm | With nokia they produce a bunch of phones and they find out people don't want that OS. | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Same with MS stores | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | MS stores = MS sells h/w | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| oiaohm | They can in theory refirmware them with another OS. | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| oiaohm | What can MS do. | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Because s/w becomes a commodity | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| oiaohm | MS re firmwaring there phones with any of the Open OS's is going to bring hell down on them. | Feb 17 14:57 |
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| oiaohm | Nokia has sold MS phones in the past because people wanted them. | Feb 17 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | I see MS stores as a disaster. | Feb 17 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | Its not like apple stores have really done apple a lot of good. | Feb 17 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/ent... ( Finally: Anti Aliasing is done for OOo 3.1!) | Feb 17 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/stat... "Only took 5 years." | Feb 17 14:59 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopic... << Ok this could be fun | Feb 17 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Whitehall devised torture policy for terror detainees < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/fe... > | Feb 17 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Anti-terror tactics 'weaken law' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor... >. 21st century is a return to early 20th century fascism. | Feb 17 15:05 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Feb 17 15:06 |
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| PetoKraus | so end of march, aye? | Feb 17 15:06 |
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| PetoKraus | it seems like march/april will be full of FOSS goodness | Feb 17 15:06 |
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| PetoKraus | (the new xorg stack is quite likely to fall in that time as well) | Feb 17 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | 2009 in general. | Feb 17 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'm pretty happy with what's already here (KDE 3.5.x, LyX, Kate, KNode, etc.) | Feb 17 15:07 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 15:07 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd really like E17 to be finally pushed out of the door | Feb 17 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | "All in all, about 500.000 lines of code were changed/rewritten (CWSes aw024, aw033, aw059). Doesn't sound like a dead project, does it? If You are interested in more details, You may follow the task's description and its discussions and links." | Feb 17 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | Then Novell takes it, slaps some MOON and MS VB on it, calls it Go-OOXML and slanders Sun for it. | Feb 17 15:09 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | "A VERY unique headphone dubbed Beats, branded by none other than Dr. Dre, is on review at Hardware Canucks. *cough* $399 *cough*." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/017... ( Dr. Dre gets into hardware) | Feb 17 15:10 |
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| PetoKraus | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/... | Feb 17 15:11 |
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| PetoKraus | if someone is interested | Feb 17 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Canon tries to shut down Fake Canon blog < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/0... > | Feb 17 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: any good linux demos/videos? | Feb 17 15:12 |
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| PetoKraus | no, not really | Feb 17 15:12 |
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| PetoKraus | just release todo list | Feb 17 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | Sky to replace 90,000 HD boxes < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technol... > | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 <@schestowitz> Rumurs revolve around an nvidia collab | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 <@schestowitz> But nvidia has just announced an Android collab | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 < oiaohm> That is exactly the problem. | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 < oiaohm> With nokia they produce a bunch of phones and they find out people don't want that OS. | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 <@schestowitz> Same with MS stores | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 <@schestowitz> MS stores = MS sells h/w | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:02 < oiaohm> They can in theory refirmware them with another OS. | Feb 17 15:15 |
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| balzac | 15:03 < oiaohm> What can MS do. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:03 <@schestowitz> Because s/w becomes a commodity | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:03 < oiaohm> MS re firmwaring there phones with any of the Open OS's is going to bring hell down on them. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:03 < oiaohm> Nokia has sold MS phones in the past because people wanted them. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:04 < oiaohm> I see MS stores as a disaster. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:04 < oiaohm> Its not like apple stores have really done apple a lot of good. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:05 <@schestowitz> http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/final... ( Finally: Anti Aliasing is done for OOo 3.1!) | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:05 <@schestowitz> http://twitter.com/glynmoody/sta... "Only took 5 years." | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:10 < oiaohm> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/ho... << Ok | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | this could be fun | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:10 <@schestowitz> Whitehall devised torture policy for terror detainees < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... > | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:11 <@schestowitz> Anti-terror tactics 'weaken law' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7892387.stm >. 21st century is a return to early 20th century | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | fascism. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:12 < PetoKraus> hmm | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:12 < PetoKraus> so end of march, aye? | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:12 < PetoKraus> it seems like march/april will be full of FOSS goodness | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:12 < PetoKraus> (the new xorg stack is quite likely to fall in that time as well) | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:13 <@schestowitz> 2009 in general. | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| zer0c00l | some one please kick | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:13 <@schestowitz> I'm pretty happy with what's already here (KDE 3.5.x, LyX, Kate, KNode, etc.) | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:13 < PetoKraus> yeah | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| oiaohm | Ok what the heck is balzac | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:13 < PetoKraus> i'd really like E17 to be finally pushed out of the door | Feb 17 15:16 |
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| balzac | 15:14 <@schestowitz> "All in all, about 500.000 lines of code were changed/rewritten (CWSes aw024, aw033, aw059). Doesn't sound like a dead project, does it? | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | If You are interested in more details, You may follow the task's description and its discussions and links." | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd say | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:14 <@schestowitz> Then Novell takes it, slaps some MOON and MS VB on it, calls it Go-OOXML and slanders Sun for it. | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| PetoKraus | unlucky middleclick | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:15 < PetoKraus> yeah | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:16 <@schestowitz> "A VERY unique headphone dubbed Beats, branded by none other than Dr. Dre, is on review at Hardware Canucks. *cough* $399 *cough*." | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu... ( Dr. Dre gets into hardware) | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:17 < PetoKraus> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/... | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:17 < PetoKraus> if someone is interested | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:18 <@schestowitz> Canon tries to shut down Fake Canon blog < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/031/1051031... > | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:18 <@schestowitz> PetoKraus: any good linux demos/videos? | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:18 < PetoKraus> no, not really | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:18 < PetoKraus> just release todo list | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | 15:21 <@schestowitz> Sky to replace 90,000 HD boxes < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technolog... > | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| MinceR | balzac: /server purge | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | Zombie? | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | [15:21] [balzac(+ei)] [4:freenode/#boycottnovell(+cnt)] [Act: 3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12] | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | [#boycottnovell] sorry | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | stupid mouse doesn't have a middle click button | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | redhat and microsoft sittin in a tree | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| PetoKraus | classic | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | that's pretty annoying | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | dude, one mouse fumble | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| zer0c00l | seems like | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | get over it | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| balzac | the scroll wheel can serve as the middle mouse button, but it just happened to grab a whole screen of text and then paste it | Feb 17 15:17 |
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| MinceR | also, irssi is supposed to ask whether you want to paste | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| balzac | it did, but I didn't know all that was in the buffer | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| MinceR | iirc it's set to do that for 5 lines or more by default | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | I thought you went insane :00 | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| zer0c00l | LOL | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| zer0c00l | me too | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| zer0c00l | i asked to kick u? :D | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| MinceR | in any case, once you realize what's going on, /server purge is supposed to stop it | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| oiaohm | I was not too sure. | Feb 17 15:18 |
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| balzac | it's a consumer grade mouse. My other mouse has a middle button and I use to paste into xterms and emacs all the time | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| oiaohm | I have seen bots malfunton that way. | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| balzac | i'm surprised that it all went into the channel | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| PetoKraus | xchat actually shows you what are you going to paste | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| balzac | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350... | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | XChat sets limits, that'a all. | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| balzac | what's up with redhat and microsoft? | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| oiaohm | I am on Konversation | Feb 17 15:19 |
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| oiaohm | If you try to do that it spits up a nice little message. | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: see BN posts (3 of them) | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| oiaohm | So what client are you using balzac | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| balzac | lemme check em out | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| balzac | irssi | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| oiaohm | Ok I will not touch irssi with a 10 foot pole. | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| balzac | irssi running inside a screen session on my development server | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| zer0c00l | oiaohm: konversation has proxy traversing support? | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| balzac | come on, it was the frigging mouse! | Feb 17 15:20 |
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| oiaohm | I have crushed a mouse with a 21 inch CRT before. | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| Casperin | I won't touch a mouse with a 10 foot pole now | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| oiaohm | On this machine. | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: real mouse? | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| oiaohm | My computer mouse | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| oiaohm | Had to get a new one. | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 17 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: a mouse called "computer"? Not "Ben"? | Feb 17 15:22 |
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| oiaohm | Ie the mouse pluged into the computer. | Feb 17 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yo, benJIman !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_(song) | Feb 17 15:22 |
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| oiaohm | So lot of bad things happened. | Feb 17 15:22 |
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| oiaohm | Never had to run konveration threw proxy. | Feb 17 15:23 |
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| balzac | irssi asked me for confirmation anyway | Feb 17 15:23 |
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| PetoKraus | that makes you a wank ;) | Feb 17 15:23 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 17 15:23 |
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| zer0c00l | i use xchat | Feb 17 15:23 |
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| balzac | as the saying goes "the problem exists between the chair and the desk" | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| PetoKraus | you should blame irssi even if you're at fault | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| balzac | i quit using xchat because I like irssi inside of a screen session | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| oiaohm | Just don't confirm something like that again balzac | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| balzac | the chair and the computer | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| oiaohm | I had some irc clients in the past that paste gone. | Feb 17 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/20... (Using Fear to Sell Pens, Part Two) "This ad, for a Uni-ball pen that's hard to erase, is kind of surreal. They're using fear to sell pens -- again -- but it's the wrong fear. " | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| balzac | i've only just begun my day and my aderral hasn't kicked in yet | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| balzac | give me slack | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| zer0c00l | http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/20... | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| zer0c00l | it was my first talk on GNU/Linux | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| zer0c00l | i have attached my poor presentation | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| zer0c00l | grabbed some pics from boycottnovell too :) | Feb 17 15:25 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Feb 17 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Let them eat Vista" | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | At first glance at all the slides, it looks god | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | *good | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| balzac | vista actually sounds kind of good | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| balzac | too bad the software stinks | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 17 15:27 |
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| oiaohm | Any restrictions on using you presetation zer0c00l | Feb 17 15:28 |
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| oiaohm | Particularly if its suitable using it at a computer club here. | Feb 17 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8218 "The former chairman of the banking and insurance group HBOS, Lord Stevenson, and chief executive Andy Hornby, along with the Royal Bank of Scotland's Sir Tom McKillop and Sir Fred Goodwin, appeared before a British parliamentary committee and profusely apologized for their role in the financial meltdown of the banks they had directed. " | Feb 17 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Vista means "vision"... but what /of/? | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Visions of Doom (for Windows) | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | i told them about M$ dumping | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | Most of them got convinced | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | even a faculty shared her experience with me on "how M$ people pushed them to use their os for operating systems lab" | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Poor VistA had its bbrand name ruined (veterans' healthcare system) | Feb 17 15:29 |
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| zer0c00l | It seems "M$ people depicted "fork" system call as inefficient " | Feb 17 15:30 |
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| zer0c00l | no restrictions | Feb 17 15:30 |
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| zer0c00l | :D | Feb 17 15:30 |
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| zer0c00l | modify it for your needs | Feb 17 15:30 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | Feb 17 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft behaves like an organisation of 'professional' drug addicts | Feb 17 15:30 |
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| zer0c00l | I going to compile a whole new article on Gnu/Linux and M$ dumping and send those things to college management officials | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Like the tobacco industry, they'll be marginalised over time when people recognise the mortal consequences. | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| balzac | redhat went soft | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| zer0c00l | They want students to get addicted | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: not really. | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| balzac | I think it's kind of lame for them to make that deal | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: no | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| oiaohm | Ok not the best target for my market | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | They want to drape their own pockets | Feb 17 15:31 |
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| zer0c00l | no? | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| oiaohm | zer0c00l: well designed for unis that suffer from dumping problems. | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | 1. Microsoft wants to addicts kids; 2. Microsoft offers favours to faculty members; 3) faculties become accomplices | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| oiaohm | I am dealing with people 50+ | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| balzac | Running gnu/linux as a virtual server on top of windows is an abomination | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| oiaohm | Unless I am dealing with the gamers. | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | There need to be laws against certain types of s/w and those who promote it or --worse-- FORCE is upon kids | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | You could make a term for it | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Like "software molestation" | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| balzac | If I were CEO of RedHat, I'd be openly disparaging M$ like Scott McNealy did all those years. | Feb 17 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Software molestation is the act of forcing a young adult or kid to be filthily subjugates to demands or political movements that are disguised as s/w houses. | Feb 17 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | *gated | Feb 17 15:34 |
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| oiaohm | Time of MS dominaton is breaking. | Feb 17 15:34 |
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| oiaohm | Expect MS to get more despreate to hold on to market. | Feb 17 15:34 |
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| balzac | I'm happy Redhat got the NYSE deal and I'm half-way interested in RedHat Certification, but I'm starting to wonder if I'd feel like a clown with an RHCE cert. | Feb 17 15:34 |
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| zer0c00l | "software molestation " this phrase looks strong!!! gr8 | Feb 17 15:35 |
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| zer0c00l | this M$ marketting always doing false campaign | Feb 17 15:35 |
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| zer0c00l | "They want schools to use their NT servers to teach students operating systems" | Feb 17 15:35 |
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| balzac | I probably don't want an RHCE certification on my resume. Sure it would get me hired in this place or that, and probably increase my income, but I'd be potentially losing my dignity. | Feb 17 15:35 |
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| zer0c00l | *operating systems course | Feb 17 15:35 |
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| zer0c00l | but when the faculty asked them about the source code of their system calls they went silent | Feb 17 15:36 |
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| oiaohm | And the effect of that gave birth to reactos. | Feb 17 15:36 |
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| oiaohm | MS fails to see the long term picture a lot. | Feb 17 15:36 |
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| zer0c00l | balzac: why you feel so? | Feb 17 15:36 |
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| zer0c00l | balzac: Dont want to learn RHCE? | Feb 17 15:37 |
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| balzac | zer0c00l: because RedHat is mixed source, not 100% free software. | Feb 17 15:37 |
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| zer0c00l | balzac: enlighten me | Feb 17 15:37 |
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| oiaohm | No commerical distribution is pure 100% free software | Feb 17 15:37 |
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| balzac | zer0c00l: I'll be happy to learn GNU/Linux systems administration, Redhat among other distros. | Feb 17 15:37 |
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| oiaohm | to be correct most distributions that work well are not 100 percent free software. | Feb 17 15:38 |
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| balzac | I'll be advocating Redhat for the enterprise and I do on Disruptech.com | Feb 17 15:38 |
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| *zer0c00l agrees with oiaohm | Feb 17 15:38 |
| balzac | yeah, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I think inevitably, these archaic licenses will fall by the wayside. | Feb 17 15:38 |
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| balzac | But I advocate Redhat out of "spite" against Novell, and as well to gain a commission on a deployment deal. | Feb 17 15:39 |
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