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| schestowitz | George Bush Idiot Quotes < http://www.youtube.com/... > | Mar 18 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Mar 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btye... | Mar 18 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 18 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Palin doesn't know what "doctrine" means and says she can see Russian from Alaska... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e... | Mar 18 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | hehe. this is priceless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Mar 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Mar 18 01:02 |
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| zer0c00l | Microsoft Bizspark: more detailed news who are all in http://blogs.livemint.com/blogs/incubat... | Mar 18 02:30 |
| oiaohm | MS normal battle. | Mar 18 02:37 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.mantecabulletin.c... Just for fun. | Mar 18 03:18 |
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| Ever wondered why no one was p0wning Windoze powered automatic teller machines? Well, they are doing just that http://it.slashdot.org/articl... | Mar 18 03:50 | |
| AIG fat cats refuse some money so they can keep their ill gotten loot. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aig... | Mar 18 03:57 | |
| more than 75 AIG people got more than a million buck "bonuses" with tax payer money. | Mar 18 03:58 | |
| refusing bailout money is not the same as taking the money back, it's deliberate harm. | Mar 18 03:58 | |
| Uncle Sam should put all of those assholes into the usual civil service government employee pay scale. | Mar 18 03:59 | |
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| Omar871 | Hey all. | Mar 18 05:27 |
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| zer0c00l | lol today the lab technician told me about some "kataa" virus (they call the virus by its executable name) and asked us to backup all the data from doze machine | Mar 18 05:32 |
| zer0c00l | so far the virus has corrupted 10 undergraduate students project/research work | Mar 18 05:33 |
| zer0c00l | all hail windoze | Mar 18 05:33 |
| zer0c00l | long live viruses | Mar 18 05:33 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 18 05:33 |
| Omar871 | zer0c00l: ;) | Mar 18 06:12 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 18 06:13 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 18 06:13 |
| zer0c00l | omar871:just came to know that a girl lost her project presentation ppt | Mar 18 06:14 |
| zer0c00l | because of virues | Mar 18 06:14 |
| zer0c00l | she searched a lot and the symantec antivirus kept warning her about virues | Mar 18 06:14 |
| zer0c00l | *viruses | Mar 18 06:15 |
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| zer0c00l | "ahh what happened to the ppt i copied in that thumb drive? " | Mar 18 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 18 07:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Mar 18 07:24 |
| schestowitz | IBM's submission for the LF videos contest: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/... | Mar 18 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Almost half of hour in BN just moments ago :-( | Mar 18 08:18 |
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| ZiggyFish | it's fun it to be a PHP developer :( | Mar 18 09:16 |
| ZiggyFish | isn't it? | Mar 18 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Yes, php is fun | Mar 18 09:17 |
| ZiggyFish | ;) | Mar 18 09:18 |
| ZiggyFish | At the moment I'm the only PHP developer where I work (was working with someone else, but haven't seen him in 2 weeks) | Mar 18 09:19 |
| ZiggyFish | involved in 4 projects at once | Mar 18 09:19 |
| schestowitz | 4 at once might prove distracting | Mar 18 09:20 |
| ZiggyFish | yes, it is | Mar 18 09:20 |
| ZiggyFish | because I'm now the only PHP developer, I have to my normal work, plus the other guys work as well | Mar 18 09:21 |
| *ZiggyFish now catching up on the Linux news | Mar 18 09:23 | |
| ZiggyFish | I'm liking the new gnome 2.26 | Mar 18 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | Did you know that Jeff Waugh left GNOME pretty much? | Mar 18 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just stepped off his spokesman role, I'm not sure. | Mar 18 09:30 |
| ZiggyFish | If I remember he's the one pushing for more mono in gnome? | Mar 18 09:30 |
| oiaohm | vala project kinda upset lot of the mono pushes in GNOME. vala has very much the same code style as C# but generates native binaries. | Mar 18 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Now if .net binding in KDE go the same way its a complete loss for MS. | Mar 18 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Performance issues was way vala got off the ground. | Mar 18 09:36 |
| ZiggyFish | the problem with vala is the amount of arch it's supports | Mar 18 09:37 |
| ZiggyFish | I love this article | Mar 18 09:39 |
| ZiggyFish | http://www.ubuntuproductivity.com/journa... | Mar 18 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's a common style.... | Mar 18 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Many articles posing as anti-GNU/Linux but doing the opposite. | Mar 18 10:03 |
| oiaohm | This kind of making fun of anti-GNU only really started in the last 2 years. | Mar 18 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft feels the pressure in Portugal: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Mar 18 10:14 |
| oiaohm | I really should not say this but this down turn has been great for business for me. | Mar 18 10:16 |
| ZiggyFish | spelling mistake? "this my be trouble to Microsoft" | Mar 18 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Even worse the downturn is nuking MS patent agreeing Linux's. | Mar 18 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Simple cost factors are winning. | Mar 18 10:23 |
| schestowitz | I thought Sun was competing against Flash with JavaFX, BUT... http://blogs.sun.com/jonatha... | Mar 18 10:24 |
| schestowitz | ZiggyFish: thanks. | Mar 18 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Really HTML 5 will compete a lot with what flash does. | Mar 18 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Particularlly the inculdes of playing back videos and svg rendering. | Mar 18 10:26 |
| ZiggyFish | oiaohm: yes it will, if firefox 3.1 is ever released ;) | Mar 18 10:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, agreed | Mar 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Flash caught on again mostly because of video | Mar 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz | But video is, well.... just video.. hardly a need for RIA context | Mar 18 10:28 |
| oiaohm | No 3.1 will never be released ZiggyFish | Mar 18 10:28 |
| oiaohm | 3.5 will be released instead. | Mar 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz | ZiggyFish: it's release in June... 3.5 | Mar 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: beat ne | Mar 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz | *me | Mar 18 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Now at the rate they are going it might be renumbered 4.0 by june | Mar 18 10:30 |
| ZiggyFish | lol | Mar 18 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Comcast: Exposed User Data Not From Internal Leak < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161409/c... > | Mar 18 10:31 |
| ZiggyFish | there are some nice I'm linux videos arround | Mar 18 10:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: just a # | Mar 18 10:31 |
| oiaohm | We have MS I am a PC adds to thank for it ZiggyFish | Mar 18 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Linux foundation run a I am Linux competition and caused lot of interest in creating fun videos about Linux. | Mar 18 10:32 |
| ZiggyFish | oiaohm: and MS has I am a Mac adds to thank ;) | Mar 18 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Yep the chain reactions of marketing. | Mar 18 10:35 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "WTF and WTS (What the Satyam!). It took the Government techies so much time to realize that the email system of the most powerful man in India was not working properly for 3 months!" http://www.techgoss.com/Story/1273S1... | Mar 18 10:35 |
| oiaohm | I am Mac adds worked | Mar 18 10:35 |
| schestowitz | They dumped Windows for Linux | Mar 18 10:35 |
| ZiggyFish | lol | Mar 18 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Exchange master email eater strikes again. | Mar 18 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Nice space photos: Space Spotlight: Mars' moons and Medusa < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/spac... > | Mar 18 10:36 |
| oiaohm | I really do want kontact on windows so I can offer windows users far broader solutions for email servers. | Mar 18 10:37 |
| oiaohm | I still love citidel it was designed to run BBS and is basically boom proff. | Mar 18 10:38 |
| ZiggyFish | oiaohm: I haven't used kontact before, I use evolution, does kontact support Exchange? | Mar 18 10:38 |
| oiaohm | kontact and evolution should both be using the same interface to support Exchange. | Mar 18 10:39 |
| oiaohm | kontact is QT based and will get ported to windows at some point. | Mar 18 10:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... "Back on Earth, meanwhile, NASA has confirmed that the bat seen clinging to the shuttle's external fuel tank during launch (see pic) was still hanging on for dear life as the vehicle cleared the tower and "likely perished quickly during Discovery’s climb into orbit"." | Mar 18 10:40 |
| oiaohm | http://www.kolab.org/ << There is a commerial company hidden behind kontact. | Mar 18 10:40 |
| *schestowitz used kontact (kmail at the time) in 2003/4 | Mar 18 10:41 | |
| oiaohm | kontact is not a bad program to use. | Mar 18 10:42 |
| oiaohm | kmail still exists schestowitz | Mar 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Someone believes that Microsoft may be behind ruining a CIO that does not like Microsoft: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... | Mar 18 10:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I know | Mar 18 10:43 |
| schestowitz | A komponent[sic] | Mar 18 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Obama's "enemy combatant" policy: following a familiar pattern < http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa... > | Mar 18 10:44 |
| ZiggyFish | oiaohm: kontact requires the exchange server to be configured to allow pop/imap to work, where as evolution doesn't it uses the the web font end (but will use the proper protocols in 2.26) | Mar 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Another explanation for the financial critis: http://www.truthout.org/031609A "Maverick Southern Methodist University economics professor Ravi Batra says the financial crisis is just one symptom of a long-festering economic disease - a disease caused by neglecting basic economic principles over the past 30 years." | Mar 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm, ZiggyFish have you seen this yet? Australia Threatens $11,000 Fines For Unapproved Linking < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... > | Mar 18 10:47 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/... "The verdicts in two US trials are being appealed against because jurors made comments about them on social networking sites." | Mar 18 10:50 |
| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: it's interesting, that they don't release the list, how are you meant to check your links if you have no idea what is on the list | Mar 18 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. They don't understand the Web | Mar 18 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Some sites would sue you for just linking to them | Mar 18 10:55 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So... What's the latency like on SD cards? | Mar 18 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Why did Slashdot tag this "astroturfing"? http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl... | Mar 18 11:11 |
| schestowitz | I think Joseph Tartakoff, who covers Microsoft, may have just jumped ship | Mar 18 11:25 |
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| oiaohm | Yes see the 11 000 fines. Its not a straight up slam you. | Mar 18 11:32 |
| oiaohm | seen | Mar 18 11:32 |
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| oiaohm | If link was done in good faith you don't get hit by it. | Mar 18 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Its a fine if you don't correct the problem in a suitable ammount of time. | Mar 18 11:34 |
| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Mar 18 11:34 |
| oiaohm | ZHi _Hicham_ | Mar 18 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Lol nice typo. | Mar 18 11:34 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing? | Mar 18 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Fine _Hicham_ | Mar 18 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Joe didn't announce anything though | Mar 18 11:34 |
| schestowitz | "Novell Enterprises Inc., a Rahway, N.J., bridal jewelry manufacturer who lost about $250,000 to Fortunoff's bankruptcy and liquidation." http://www.newsday.com/services/newsp... | Mar 18 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft may have signed another Linux patent racket-extortion | Mar 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Lexmark | Mar 18 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsof... | Mar 18 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Malicious alteration of data here can be a 15 year jail sentence. 11000 fine is very light. | Mar 18 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes one law covers breaking into servers and virus writing. | Mar 18 11:36 |
| oiaohm | It could backfire on Microsoft big time legally all these patent agreements. | Mar 18 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Latency on SD cards is highly changable depend on maker of the card and the reader used. | Mar 18 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Tags can be assigned by any slashdot member schestowitz | Mar 18 11:40 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Mar 18 11:54 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was the editor alone | Mar 18 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Also its part astroturfing for Ubuntu so the tag is not completely wrong. | Mar 18 12:05 |
| schestowitz | If it's grassroots, then it's not astroturfing | Mar 18 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu has many genuine fans | Mar 18 12:10 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurfing is faking grassroots | Mar 18 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Chrome has a Linux project ran by good. | Mar 18 12:11 |
| oiaohm | good/google | Mar 18 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Artical is kinda making out that Ubuntu is the only source of Chrome on Linux. | Mar 18 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Its minor AstroTurfing. | Mar 18 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Mar 18 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Stefano spread it a a little (tacone in BN IRC), but it's not intentional | Mar 18 12:13 |
| _Hicham_ | why firefox on windows is faster than firefox on linux? | Mar 18 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Had it said Fedora, would that also count as astroturfing. | Mar 18 12:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: ask mozilla | Mar 18 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Many things. Its partly filesystem linked. | Mar 18 12:14 |
| schestowitz | gtk..... | Mar 18 12:14 |
| schestowitz | optimisation.. | Mar 18 12:14 |
| oiaohm | file system is fsync how its handled in Linux compared to windows. | Mar 18 12:14 |
| _Hicham_ | it is about javascript also | Mar 18 12:14 |
| oiaohm | fsync in Linux truely trys to work. | Mar 18 12:15 |
| _Hicham_ | have u seen an article saying that firefox on wine is faster than native firefox? | Mar 18 12:15 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 18 12:15 |
| oiaohm | X11 has some performance issues due to its desing. | Mar 18 12:15 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u say about that? | Mar 18 12:15 |
| benJIman | Firefox in wine runs faster than native linux firefox too. | Mar 18 12:15 |
| oiaohm | windows firefox does not have the fsync issue. | Mar 18 12:15 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Mar 18 12:15 |
| _Hicham_ | it is run on wine | Mar 18 12:16 |
| _Hicham_ | so there is always fsync | Mar 18 12:16 |
| oiaohm | API differences _Hicham_ | Mar 18 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Windows version does not use fsync. | Mar 18 12:16 |
| oiaohm | There is then complier differents GCC really does sux at optimising whole binary. | Mar 18 12:17 |
| _Hicham_ | why use it on Linux then? | Mar 18 12:17 |
| _Hicham_ | since it can be avoided? | Mar 18 12:17 |
| _Hicham_ | even firefox on windows is built with GCC, no? | Mar 18 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Firefox on windows is built by MSVC | Mar 18 12:18 |
| oiaohm | goal of fsync is to make sure data is saved to disk. sqlite that firefox 3 and up is using runs it a lot. | Mar 18 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Then depending on what filesystem you are using depends on how bad fsync hurts. | Mar 18 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Default ext3 turns out to hurt a lot. | Mar 18 12:19 |
| _Hicham_ | what about ext4? | Mar 18 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Less than ext3 still not great. | Mar 18 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Some Linux kernel developers are concidering adding a flag to file systems to disreguard fsync calls on a per filebase. | Mar 18 12:20 |
| schestowitz | IBM to buy Sun Microsystems. | Mar 18 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Let me verify | Mar 18 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Yes run the risk of data loss gain a lot of performance. | Mar 18 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Really I wish mozilla would release firefox released built with llvm. | Mar 18 12:21 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : can we avoid the fsync pb on linux? | Mar 18 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=14817 | Mar 18 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osnews.com/story/21154/... | Mar 18 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://localtechwire.com/business... | Mar 18 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Sun Shares Jump on I.B.M. Takeover Report < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/bu... > | Mar 18 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Probably good for Java and OOo. I don't see how IBM can hurt these... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1... | Mar 18 12:23 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: It what you are trading away. fsync is all about making sure data gets saved to disk. Without it like firefox runs under windows. Data is not made sure to be on disk. | Mar 18 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Better IBM than Microsoft schestowitz | Mar 18 12:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: of Fujitsu even | Mar 18 12:24 |
| schestowitz | IBM has an OK track record with Free software | Mar 18 12:24 |
| schestowitz | It's also less likely to let SUN portfolio help Windows | Mar 18 12:24 |
| _Hicham_ | it is contributing a lot to eclipse | Mar 18 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Sparc and PPC tech merged into 1 chip could be scary. | Mar 18 12:24 |
| schestowitz | SPARC vs PowerPC? | Mar 18 12:24 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: haha | Mar 18 12:25 |
| _Hicham_ | Sun make NetBeans a monster | Mar 18 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Mar 18 12:25 |
| schestowitz | I thoguht the same thing, re h/w | Mar 18 12:25 |
| oiaohm | SPARC insanely fast int processing. | Mar 18 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Power efficient | Mar 18 12:25 |
| oiaohm | PPC insanely fast floating point. | Mar 18 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Either way, for IBM to have such 'open' portfolio would help its image | Mar 18 12:25 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : have u ever tried a PGO optimized version of Firefox? | Mar 18 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing is, well... SCO payments from SUN | Mar 18 12:26 |
| _Hicham_ | i mean on Linux | Mar 18 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Like IBM funding a suit against self | Mar 18 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Have not wasted the processor time to find that out _Hicham_ | Mar 18 12:26 |
| oiaohm | It takes quite a lot of processor time to build firefox. | Mar 18 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Not really schestowitz | Mar 18 12:27 |
| oiaohm | SUN aquired the licence from SCO just in case SCO won. | Mar 18 12:27 |
| oiaohm | If SCO won SUN was going to rerelease the Linux kernel from then so killing of anyone else ever needing to pay SCO ever for Linux. | Mar 18 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Good old chess games schestowitz. SCO was going to lose even if they won. | Mar 18 12:29 |
| schestowitz | They won | Mar 18 12:29 |
| schestowitz | The goal was hardly to win | Mar 18 12:29 |
| schestowitz | But to carry on with FUD for ages | Mar 18 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Assuming some theories hold water | Mar 18 12:29 |
| schestowitz | But that's another story | Mar 18 12:29 |
| oiaohm | No SCO goal at first was money. | Mar 18 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Then FUD is kinda revenge for being screwed over. | Mar 18 12:30 |
| schestowitz | They are still flinging dung at Linux, but they lost their credibility after losing UNIX. | Mar 18 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Novell wanted SCO dead. | Mar 18 12:30 |
| oiaohm | SCO at the time was Novell biggest competitor in there markets. | Mar 18 12:30 |
| oiaohm | SCO got screwed by Novell. Got screwed by SUN so what was left. | Mar 18 12:31 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a quick post about Joseph Tartakoff and tell what I know. Will copy here. | Mar 18 13:06 |
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| zer0c00l | just saw http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Mar 18 13:26 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I enjoyed writing it | Mar 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about some of Microsoft's last signs of weakness: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/18... | Mar 18 13:35 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Mar 18 13:59 |
| _Hicham_ | according to distrowach openSUSE is second | Mar 18 14:24 |
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| Balrog | so what do you think about Sun being acquired by IBM? | Mar 18 14:34 |
| Eruaran | eh ? | Mar 18 14:35 |
| *Eruaran wakes up | Mar 18 14:35 | |
| Eruaran | Might be a good thing for Sun | Mar 18 14:37 |
| Eruaran | I think the big under reported item of the past week has been Cisco partnering with Red Hat | Mar 18 14:38 |
| Eruaran | What they announced was hefty enough to provoke a chair throwing incident in Redmond I think | Mar 18 14:39 |
| Balrog | I heard of that | Mar 18 14:41 |
| Balrog | (the Cisco/Red Hat deal) | Mar 18 14:41 |
| Eruaran | Its bigger than most people seem to have realised | Mar 18 14:42 |
| Eruaran | Its quite comprehensive, and will provide a compelling offering | Mar 18 14:43 |
| MinceR | what | Mar 18 14:46 |
| MinceR | isn't there an antitrust issue with that? | Mar 18 14:48 |
| Eruaran | Why ? | Mar 18 14:49 |
| Eruaran | Technically Cisco is acting as an OEM for Red Hat | Mar 18 14:49 |
| MinceR | i mean, with ibm buying sun | Mar 18 14:50 |
| Eruaran | I don't think anyone but Microsoft would complain | Mar 18 14:51 |
| MinceR | though someone on /. is saying that sun is much, much smaller than ibm | Mar 18 14:51 |
| MinceR | i still wonder about their market share though | Mar 18 14:51 |
| Eruaran | MySQL | Mar 18 14:54 |
| Eruaran | OpenOffice.org | Mar 18 14:54 |
| Eruaran | OpenSolaris | Mar 18 14:54 |
| MinceR | ok, sun is mostly crap, but that stuff still is popular :> | Mar 18 14:55 |
| Balrog | MinceR: is java crap? | Mar 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 18 14:56 |
| Balrog | I wouldn't go that far. | Mar 18 14:56 |
| Balrog | java is foss, in any case | Mar 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | unless one JVM is the only thing that's running on the host, perhaps | Mar 18 14:56 |
| Balrog | gcj? | Mar 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | i don't know how well that performs | Mar 18 14:56 |
| Balrog | I've heard that the 'official' HotSpot JVM performs very well | Mar 18 14:57 |
| Balrog | sometimes better than compiled C code | Mar 18 14:57 |
| MinceR | i've heard that dragons exist | Mar 18 14:58 |
| Balrog | (from reliable sources) | Mar 18 14:58 |
| MinceR | but on the other hand, i've seen azureus gobble up all the memory on my computer and still run like shit | Mar 18 14:58 |
| MinceR | bbl | Mar 18 14:58 |
| Balrog | I don't use Azureus. It's not that great, probably because of how it's coded | Mar 18 14:58 |
| Eruaran | Have to admit I usually don't like Java apps | Mar 18 15:01 |
| *Eruaran tries to think of a Java app he likes | Mar 18 15:01 | |
| Eruaran | Isn't Android Java based ? | Mar 18 15:02 |
| Eruaran | I like the Monopoly game on my cellphone | Mar 18 15:03 |
| Balrog | java is great for backend server stuff | Mar 18 15:03 |
| Eruaran | Thats Java | Mar 18 15:03 |
| Balrog | much more reliable than ASP.NET :) | Mar 18 15:03 |
| Eruaran | .NET makes things suck | Mar 18 15:03 |
| Eruaran | Thats all its for | Mar 18 15:03 |
| Eruaran | making things suck | Mar 18 15:04 |
| Eruaran | Anyone have a favorite IDE ? | Mar 18 15:04 |
| Balrog | I use eclipse. | Mar 18 15:05 |
| Balrog | it's ugly but does the job | Mar 18 15:05 |
| Eruaran | ah | Mar 18 15:05 |
| Eruaran | I've been thinking of having a look at Qt | Mar 18 15:05 |
| Balrog | I'd use it myself if I was writing a graphical C++ app | Mar 18 15:06 |
| Eruaran | I want to create apps for Windows that are dependant on having KDE libraries installed ;) | Mar 18 15:07 |
| Balrog | couldn't you statically link? Many apps based on GTK+ include a local copy of GTK+ | Mar 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I've seamed this one together carefully: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/18/a... Some Red Hat seniors like Tiemann are regular readers of BN. I believe we ought to have reposted some of these concerns as an open letter asking for a response. Maybe they'll trash the patent, who known... | Mar 18 15:08 |
| Eruaran | Our monthly company meeting is this weekend | Mar 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | *knows | Mar 18 15:08 |
| Eruaran | Someone has asked me to demo Linux Mint 6 KDE | Mar 18 15:08 |
| Eruaran | Balrog: yes, but I'm a KDE fanboy ;) | Mar 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I agree, the Cisco news is grossly underreported | Mar 18 15:09 |
| Eruaran | The Microsoft Press isn't going to promote it :P | Mar 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Mar 18 15:11 |
| schestowitz | it gives great credibility to GNU/Linux | Mar 18 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Cisco did other moves recently vs Microsoft | Mar 18 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Like an attack on Exchange Server | Mar 18 15:11 |
| schestowitz | They have Red Hat and they bought PostPath | Mar 18 15:12 |
| Eruaran | Yes | Mar 18 15:12 |
| Eruaran | I think I like where Cisco is going with this | Mar 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | They also have jabber now, for comms | Mar 18 15:12 |
| Eruaran | :) | Mar 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Cisco is a GPL violator, but.. | Mar 18 15:12 |
| Eruaran | oh | Mar 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | It explots FOSS, it doesn't attack it | Mar 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | So I'd rather see them replace Microsoft in the back room | Mar 18 15:12 |
| Eruaran | They do contribute to the Linux kernel | Mar 18 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | Weaken the company that's squealing because we FOSS people spread Linux on the desktop and drive Windows margins to $0 | Mar 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Cisco doesn't care about desktop | Mar 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | It won't mind if Linux won the desktop | Mar 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | It sells routers | Mar 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | We have 3 tiers | Mar 18 15:13 |
| Eruaran | I think their partnership with Red Had is a strong deal | Mar 18 15:13 |
| Eruaran | Both concentrating on their respective strengths | Mar 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | When we use the computers in the Net era, we have desktops, servers and the stuff between them | Mar 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Cisco is usually in-between | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is strong on the server | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft mostly exist on the deskotp | Mar 18 15:14 |
| Eruaran | Cisco is going to do Red Hat servers | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has some share also on the server. | Mar 18 15:14 |
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| Eruaran | virtualized offerings | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | That's because oft he Vole | Mar 18 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft screwed over Cisco | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Cisco | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Cisco can't let Microsoft be strong | Mar 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz | So it runs to Red Hat | Mar 18 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.. | Mar 18 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | Summarised here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/22/no... | Mar 18 15:17 |
| Balrog_ | so ... I'm switching over to nouveau | Mar 18 15:17 |
| Balrog_ | from the legacy nvidia driver | Mar 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: good. | Mar 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | I'll get it if I migrate to Fedora next | Mar 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz | F11 default, IIRC | Mar 18 15:17 |
| Balrog_ | no 3D though :/ | Mar 18 15:18 |
| Balrog_ | but that will come eventually | Mar 18 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Well, no acceleration maybe | Mar 18 15:20 |
| Balrog_ | there is 2D acceleration | Mar 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I use my graphics cards only for dual head really. | Mar 18 15:20 |
| Balrog_ | and I hear it's better than that nv driver | Mar 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Everything is better than nv :-D | Mar 18 15:20 |
| Balrog_ | ever proprietary nvidia legacy driver is better than nv .... (sigh) | Mar 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, there are big NSA clusters and other rendering farms that use NVIDIA on Linux | Mar 18 15:21 |
| Eruaran | Installed Ubuntu on a Fujitsu A1110 last week, all Intel graphics. Was nice to see 3D accellerated graphics working nicely without proprietary drivers in use at all. | Mar 18 15:21 |
| Balrog_ | those use the proprietary non-legacy driver | Mar 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Sadly, they care only about performance, not freedom/security/etc | Mar 18 15:21 |
| Balrog_ | Intel gpu chips aren't that great when it comes to performance :/ | Mar 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | /sNSA/ANASA/ | Mar 18 15:21 |
| Balrog_ | yes, unfortunately | Mar 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz | /s/NSA/NASA/ | Mar 18 15:22 |
| Eruaran | Yes, but for folks who don't have any demanding graphics requirements its nice | Mar 18 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Is IBM/SUN still in rumour status? | Mar 18 15:23 |
| Eruaran | appears to be | Mar 18 15:24 |
| schestowitz | LOL: Hypocrite Microsoft says "the patents aren't worth much" < http://digg.com/linux_unix/Hypocrite_... > | Mar 18 15:24 |
| schestowitz | How's this coming along? Valve's Source Engine Coming To Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p... > | Mar 18 15:30 |
| Eruaran | hmm | Mar 18 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Didn't they go benkrupt or something? | Mar 18 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Let me recheck to be sure | Mar 18 15:32 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft will say anything... | Mar 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Confused with another company, methinks | Mar 18 15:34 |
| zer0c00l | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... nice picture :D | Mar 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I must be thinking about another company that was in the process of porting to Linux | Mar 18 15:34 |
| http://www.reuters.com/article/n... | Mar 18 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: tanks, it ain't mine | Mar 18 15:34 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 18 15:34 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not scary | Mar 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I was more worried about mysql getting snatched | Mar 18 15:35 |
| IBM Sun deal will be good for Sun and free software. | Mar 18 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | Virtualbox at IBM... | Mar 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | What does IBM offers as hypervisor? | Mar 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | They put Linux on zos | Mar 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Blades and UNIX with Linux virtualised | Mar 18 15:35 |
| Better than Sun failing or being bought by M$. | Mar 18 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | They have Eclipse in a way | Mar 18 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Not a rival of Java... | Mar 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | OpenSolaris would be drain worthy though | Mar 18 15:36 |
| in any case, I think this is no longer a rumor | Mar 18 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | Don't see a reason for IBM to work on it. It has AIX | Mar 18 15:36 |
| Solaris is a sizable market | Mar 18 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: Sun makes no sense for MS | Mar 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Besides, Microsoft no longer has the $$ | Mar 18 15:37 |
| extinguish, threaten, patent extortion | Mar 18 15:37 | |
| schestowitz | It won't even buy Yahoo on the cheap | Mar 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz | It ran away from near-acuisitions of another company whose name I forget. Cringely wrote about it | Mar 18 15:37 |
| at $5B, Sun is cheap treats. M$ could do some kind of bogus stock swap. | Mar 18 15:37 | |
| schestowitz | So Schwartz might not get sacked after all ... just become 'redundant' | Mar 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Bray has something ahead as a career | Mar 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Heh! | Mar 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Murdock! | Mar 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz | What will he do? Slowaris? | Mar 18 15:38 |
| Sun has moved more towards free software and further from their disastrous dealings with M$. | Mar 18 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | Any word on what a Blue Hat might mean to Solaris? IBM already has AIX and Linux. | Mar 18 15:40 |
| They can move further and it would be nice to have their hardware really work with free software. | Mar 18 15:40 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, I like the idea | Mar 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Rather than see Sun decomated | Mar 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Mar 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | This is very bad for indurty | Mar 18 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Free market | Mar 18 15:40 |
| What hardware does IBM really have? | Mar 18 15:40 | |
| schestowitz | For a depression to make small companies and choice prey to bigger companies | Mar 18 15:41 |
| schestowitz | More centralisation of power that is. | Mar 18 15:41 |
| schestowitz | On the CHEAP | Mar 18 15:41 |
| Yes, it's bad for the market, but Sun dug it's grave with a long non free software fight. | Mar 18 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: Toshiba and stuff. They assemble and they have patents | Mar 18 15:41 |
| schestowitz | IBM puts the blue logo on stuff | Mar 18 15:41 |
| schestowitz | They sold the computer division to Lenovo | Mar 18 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo does badly now | Mar 18 15:42 |
| do they? | Mar 18 15:42 | |
| Lenovo also whored to M$. | Mar 18 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | I left a comment in Phipps' blog | Mar 18 15:42 |
| Eruaran | Asus doing 24 hour service support now | Mar 18 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Viruses... hehe | Mar 18 15:43 |
| oh dear | Mar 18 15:43 | |
| schestowitz | From Easy easy easy (EEE) to virus, virus, virus | Mar 18 15:43 |
| Eruaran | Their service centres are good | Mar 18 15:43 |
| Eruaran | Its a smart move | Mar 18 15:43 |
| schestowitz | [sarcasm] maybe they moved to Windows to feed the support unit ($$) | Mar 18 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Broken windows theory... | Mar 18 15:44 |
| Eruaran | This is not related | Mar 18 15:44 |
| Eruaran | Their service centres have a good reputation so its smart to build on that during lean times when sales are dropping but servicing is stable | Mar 18 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I see. | Mar 18 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Same in other areas --- repair grows at the expense of purchases | Mar 18 15:46 |
| Eruaran | yes | Mar 18 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Mechanics, shoemakers, maintenance, second-hand stuff (auctions) | Mar 18 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Good rot environment. For greed -- not so much, | Mar 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz | *for | Mar 18 15:47 |
| Eruaran | We are heavily service based | Mar 18 15:47 |
| Eruaran | We see servicing go up when retail goes down | Mar 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/arch... (Leaving Infants in the Car) | Mar 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | service has good margins | Mar 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Expenditure: time | Mar 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | That's why the FOSS model is powerful | Mar 18 15:48 |
| Eruaran | yes | Mar 18 15:48 |
| Eruaran | take systems for example | Mar 18 15:49 |
| Eruaran | even on a basic sale | Mar 18 15:49 |
| Eruaran | our margins on Linux systems is larger | Mar 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.wired.com/busines... "What Loopt — and now Google — are asserting is this: when you tell your friends where you are, you are using a public conveyance to communicate privately." | Mar 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Google is creepy sometimes. Does fun things, but this has conseuqnces. | Mar 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Toshiba lost its head: http://www.pcworld.com/article/161457/tos... | Mar 18 15:50 |
| Eruaran | Saw reported on the news tonight that Police in New South Wales tapped more than 90,000 phone calls last year | Mar 18 15:52 |
| Eruaran | Toshiba aren't what they used to be | Mar 18 15:53 |
| might be why IBM has to suck Sun's head. | Mar 18 15:53 | |
| bbl | Mar 18 15:54 | |