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| schestowitz | Just for the future, let me check some stufff... | Apr 22 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | I see he's citing the MS/Apple-sponsored lies | Apr 22 15:31 |
| trmanco | yeah | Apr 22 15:32 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft pub will be pulling pints after all" By Steven Musil , Published: 16 April 2009 11:27 BST http://www.silicon.com/retaila... | Apr 22 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Apr 22 15:32 |
| schestowitz | AllThingsD? | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | That's a SHIL | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Aha. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.silicon.com/retailan... | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | http://voices.allthingsd.com/tag/... | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait... they just import from CNET | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | Apr 22 15:33 |
| schestowitz | But AllThingsD is part of the Mossberg Gang | Apr 22 15:34 |
| trmanco | msofties working | Apr 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Very pro-Microsoft and big business (WSJ) | Apr 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | See the tags on the page | Apr 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "Eric Savitz" is there | Apr 22 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft shill | Apr 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Also "Barrons" | Apr 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | BIG Microsoft shill. | Apr 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Biggest tags there | Apr 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | So they like to quote similar circles | Apr 22 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | There's ome Obama stuff there | Apr 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | And Yahoo | Apr 22 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I hate her coverage of Yahoo (what's her name again? I forgot) | Apr 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Swisher | Apr 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | That's it, right? | Apr 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like she's playing along with the Slog against Yahoo! | Apr 22 15:36 |
| schestowitz | And Mossberg chit-chats with Bill Gates. We have some E-mails between them... | Apr 22 15:36 |
| trmanco | Mozilla update quashes nine bugs: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Apr 22 15:40 |
| trmanco | I saw a lot of news sites reporting 12 when the correct number is 9 | Apr 22 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: broken telephone chain | Apr 22 15:49 |
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| Balrog | heh | Apr 22 15:52 |
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| Balrog | I'm tired of people defending windows because 'it works for me' and ooxml because it's pushing toward 'a standard' | Apr 22 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Novell is in bad shape right now: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/22... | Apr 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | OOXML is not used by anyone | Apr 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Not even Microsoft | Apr 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has some binary program that produce MSOOXML | Apr 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | That's not OOXML | Apr 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | People should use STANDARDS | Apr 22 15:53 |
| schestowitz | like ODF | Apr 22 15:53 |
| Balrog | they're saying that 'everyone uses it' :( | Apr 22 15:54 |
| schestowitz | And worry not, Balrog, Microsoft is becoming feeble, so the pain may be near. Will take time to CLEAN UP the mess though (zombies, legacy formats, skills people get) | Apr 22 15:54 |
| Balrog | certainly. | Apr 22 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: in Russia, many people drive Lada | Apr 22 15:55 |
| Balrog | ? | Apr 22 15:57 |
| Balrog | people like this keep MS going. | Apr 22 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Another reason to dislike the "Charity Killer": Intel Linux Driver Kills The Netbook Experience < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n... > | Apr 22 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: you mean, the OEMs | Apr 22 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Cigarette companies use similar business tactics | Apr 22 15:59 |
| Balrog | OEM's too. also people fooled into believing that windows is good, and what ms does is good | Apr 22 15:59 |
| Balrog | and that the alternatives suck | Apr 22 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Linus is doing it again: calling Linux "LINUS": http://lkml.org/lkml/20... | Apr 22 16:00 |
| Balrog | heh, typo | Apr 22 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Second time in a month (in the headline) | Apr 22 16:00 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: Office 08 for mac has no ribbon | Apr 22 16:15 |
| Balrog | it's bloated though, but MS took out VBA | Apr 22 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I see.... | Apr 22 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Why no Ribb0n? | Apr 22 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Does it have Strup0n? | Apr 22 16:24 |
| schestowitz | iRibbon :-) | Apr 22 16:24 |
| Balrog | no, they left the menu-based system | Apr 22 16:25 |
| Balrog | remember the apple HIG :) | Apr 22 16:25 |
| Balrog | that's what MS copied (mostly) in the first place (Windows) | Apr 22 16:25 |
| Balrog | about OOXML windows / mac; I haven't seen such problems | Apr 22 16:29 |
| Balrog | but then again, I don't use it | Apr 22 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Miguel is recommending Microsoft books in his blog: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/... | Apr 22 16:29 |
| schestowitz | This guy is insane | Apr 22 16:29 |
| Balrog | heh | Apr 22 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | The Wiki being in the front now < http://boycottnovell.com/ > is reason to organise it faster and ensure visitors return to it... if only I had the time | Apr 22 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | Response to Linus-rc3: "It was suspected for some time, and now it's official.Linus does upgrade himself." http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/4/22/89 http://boycottnovell.com/2009... | Apr 22 16:46 |
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| Balrog | ECIS article on slashdot | Apr 22 16:47 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: did Gregg Keizer seed the 12 (4 critical) #? It's in IDG | Apr 22 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: which one do they cite? | Apr 22 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: which copy? | Apr 22 16:48 |
| Balrog | PJ | Apr 22 16:48 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 22 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Good | Apr 22 16:48 |
| trmanco | I don't know who Gregg is | Apr 22 16:48 |
| Balrog | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=... | Apr 22 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I was going to do an HTML version of it myself | Apr 22 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Glad that Grokaw did that | Apr 22 16:49 |
| Balrog | PJ has an HTML version | Apr 22 16:49 |
| Balrog | (grokalw) | Apr 22 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Lots of work cause of their layoff (footnotes) | Apr 22 16:49 |
| Balrog | groklaw * | Apr 22 16:49 |
| schestowitz | *layout, not layopffs | Apr 22 16:49 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 22 16:49 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: security coverage comes from him. Usually exaggerated | Apr 22 16:49 |
| Balrog | what do you think of it? | Apr 22 16:49 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Apr 22 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I saw it last week | Apr 22 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed it to me | Apr 22 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I put some stuff about it in BN | Apr 22 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And mentioned it in BN this morning too | Apr 22 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Concise summary. Not complete, similar to COmes petition. | Apr 22 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Almost the same structure too | Apr 22 16:50 |
| Balrog | for it to be complete, it would probably have to be 100s of pages | Apr 22 16:50 |
| schestowitz | But Comes didn't have much about Linux | Apr 22 16:50 |
| Balrog | where is the Comes petition? | Apr 22 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Thw Wiki | Apr 22 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I did it manually: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph... | Apr 22 16:51 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 22 16:55 |
| Balrog | do you think this ECIS paper will cause anything to happen? | Apr 22 16:55 |
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| trmanco | I'll brb | Apr 22 17:07 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Apr 22 17:25 |
| Eruaran | Anyone been reading Groklaw ? | Apr 22 17:25 |
| Balrog | yes. why? | Apr 22 17:26 |
| Eruaran | ECIS Provides A History of Microsoft's AntiCompetitive Behavior | Apr 22 17:26 |
| Eruaran | nice to see | Apr 22 17:26 |
| schestowitz | "Euro MPs have voted overwhelmingly to cut the cost of texting and using the internet on mobiles abroad." http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/h... | Apr 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I liked PJ's annotation of it, but I saw the document last week | Apr 22 17:28 |
| Eruaran | I only just happened upon it tonight | Apr 22 17:29 |
| schestowitz | See text in http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1... | Apr 22 17:29 |
| Eruaran | I think I glanced at that one at work but didn't get around to reading it properly | Apr 22 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Another application that many Windows users love has just been ported to GNU/Linux: http://www.prlog.org/10221243-foxit-s... | Apr 22 17:49 |
| Balrog | not FOSS though | Apr 22 17:51 |
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| Eruaran | meh | Apr 22 17:55 |
| Eruaran | I'll use Okular | Apr 22 17:55 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | heh | Apr 22 17:55 |
| MinceR | i thought there already was foxit reader for linux | Apr 22 17:59 |
| MinceR | but it was unusable | Apr 22 17:59 |
| amarsh04 | I can't understand why Okular does so many hundreds of stat64 calls on start-up | Apr 22 17:59 |
| MinceR | what files does it do them on? | Apr 22 18:00 |
| amarsh04 | I'll give it another spin and let you know | Apr 22 18:04 |
| amarsh04 | besides startup files, a lot of fonts, icons | Apr 22 18:07 |
| amarsh04 | thousands of calls on startup | Apr 22 18:08 |
| amarsh04 | 4392 calls on one startup, 2538 on a later one where they fixed a library | Apr 22 18:08 |
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| MinceR | one call per file? | Apr 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | hm, are you running it from kde? | Apr 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | if not, it might start some daemons and build ksycoca and stuff like that | Apr 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | (though i don't know how kde4 changed that) | Apr 22 18:14 |
| amarsh04 | yes, from kde | Apr 22 18:15 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: can you put more stuff in ogg? My flash plugin is flaky here. | Apr 22 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: sure | Apr 22 18:15 |
| schestowitz | But I can't do long vids | Apr 22 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Like Linus | Apr 22 18:15 |
| Balrog | because of hosting? | Apr 22 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Also backup | Apr 22 18:15 |
| schestowitz | My backups are already 3GB each dump | Apr 22 18:16 |
| Balrog | you could decrease the bitrate to like 400, I suppose, and set up an exclusions list (or put such videos in an excluded directory) | Apr 22 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Limit on account is not an issue. We have tend of gigs | Apr 22 18:16 |
| Balrog | theora-thusnelda puts out higher-quality oggs at lower bitrates | Apr 22 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Backups include public_html | Apr 22 18:16 |
| schestowitz | There's no way to exclude it, not that I know of | Apr 22 18:17 |
| Balrog | what about using a symlink? | Apr 22 18:17 |
| Balrog | will backing up copy the symlink or traverse the directory structure? | Apr 22 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Digg Tries to Put DiggBar Controversy to Bed < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/... >. That site is still going? | Apr 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I haven't tried | Apr 22 18:18 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: Miguel de Icaza did say things about Gnote | Apr 22 18:19 |
| Balrog | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blo... | Apr 22 18:19 |
| Balrog | read the comments | Apr 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Core MySpace Executive Team “Definitely Out.” Expect Announcement Soon. < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/21/core... > It's Mur[der]DOCH! | Apr 22 18:19 |
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| Balrog | they were closed pretty quickly ... | Apr 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | It's not his blog, Balrog | Apr 22 18:19 |
| Balrog | I'll be back later. | Apr 22 18:19 |
| Balrog | no, but he made some comments on that blog | Apr 22 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | @miguel: "Frankly, I believe you sold out. So FSCK you." (from Rex) | Apr 22 18:20 |
| schestowitz | "The problem is in the patents. When Microsoft signs, in blood, that it will not sue anybody implementing or using any of its patents that might be in mono, then I'll give it some consideration. However, given your buddy Balmer's continuing diatribes and hatred for that virus, Linux, I'll steer clear of the obvious traps, like mono. | Apr 22 18:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 22 18:20 |
| schestowitz | hub: "Enough. Comments closed." | Apr 22 18:21 |
| Balrog | heh yeah, | Apr 22 18:21 |
| MinceR | blood isn't legally binding | Apr 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Sining with blood may be | Apr 22 18:26 |
| schestowitz | *signing | Apr 22 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Steveb and migueldi: blood brothas | Apr 22 18:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Miguel de Icaza have signed with blood with MS | Apr 22 18:30 |
| Eruaran | Anakin de Icaza | Apr 22 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Maplin gone insane http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/i... | Apr 22 18:41 |
| schestowitz | South Carolina Court Awards $1.8 Million Libel Judgment Against Blogger < http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/200... > UK libel law is the worst. | Apr 22 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Big O'brothama: Judge to Rule on Domestic Spying < http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2... > | Apr 22 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Taser Sues Second Life Virtual World Creator Over Gun Sales < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p... > | Apr 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | NSA Chief: 'We Do Not Want to Run Cyber Security' < http://blog.wired.com/27bstro... > Just get rid of backdoor-enabled software. | Apr 22 18:57 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I don't want them to run it either. | Apr 22 18:58 |
| tessier_ | We need a public key infrastructure. | Apr 22 18:58 |
| tessier_ | We need signed software packages and some accountability. | Apr 22 18:58 |
| tessier_ | And NOT a centralized infrastructure. | Apr 22 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Good riddance: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Adw... (Adware Firm Zango Shuts Doors) | Apr 22 18:58 |
| tessier_ | We need GPG style web of trust. | Apr 22 18:58 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, we talked about itr before | Apr 22 18:58 |
| schestowitz | They already abuse survellence | Apr 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | From national security to sabotaging friendly protests for instance | Apr 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear about the UK protest being foiled by the police and organisers arrested? | Apr 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Environment activists | Apr 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Botnet 'ensnares government PCs' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te... > | Apr 22 19:00 |
| schestowitz | How integrated iSOFT is with Microsoft. I know they are connected, but just how much? | Apr 22 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and its legions of partners are trying to rip apart systems before FOSS takes over: http://www.itwire.com/conten... | Apr 22 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | Old new: man leads nature to extinction: Millions pledged to stop bee deaths < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/sc... > | Apr 22 19:11 |
| schestowitz | LinuxToday hit by Microsoft shills? Does Groklaw get them too? It complained about trolls. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto... | Apr 22 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft find new excuses for UnTrusted computing (Windows lockin): http://www.internetnews.com/secur... | Apr 22 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft created this problem in the first place | Apr 22 19:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier: this might interest you: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7308/ (Linux Don't Need No Stinkin' ZFS: BTRFS Intro & Benchmarks) | Apr 22 19:29 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Cool, thanks. I'm really looking forward to btrfs maturing. | Apr 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz | What will Oracle do with zfs? | Apr 22 19:37 |
| schestowitz | What about Solaris and OS X having some of it? And why would Oracle want to pay to maintain two such FSs? | Apr 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | NSA at RSA: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv... | Apr 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Terror! < http://sierracharlie.wordpres... > | Apr 22 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Border patrol alleged to have beat up and tazed pastor, smashed his car, on US soil" < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/1... > | Apr 22 19:41 |
| mib_3xw0n8 | guess you read already about the 300m MS bribe for Russia? | Apr 22 19:42 |
| mib_3xw0n8 | incredible... they still think that will help them | Apr 22 19:43 |
| mib_3xw0n8 | oops have to logon with corrwct nick | Apr 22 19:43 |
| schestowitz | "Now a fresh post-mortem examination has found he died of abdominal bleeding [after police attack]" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004222.stm | Apr 22 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 22 19:43 |
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| mib_24m6za | dang i want to relogin with my real nick but cant even when I delete all cookies.... | Apr 22 19:46 |
| mib_24m6za | anyway, MS will get tought a lesson in Russia | Apr 22 19:47 |
| mib_24m6za | simply put they will take the money but go on their way | Apr 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 22 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Russia shows Microsoft's weakness | Apr 22 19:48 |
| mib_24m6za | I am quite sure this 300m are one of the worst investments every of Ballmer | Apr 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | It can't make people pay | Apr 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | So it dumps | Apr 22 19:48 |
| mib_24m6za | my only concern is that the 300m are no cash but some wortless Windows copies or trainign classes | Apr 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | They did something similar in other countries like India | Apr 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | It's worthless to them | Apr 22 19:48 |
| mib_24m6za | leaving a steaming pile of cash? | Apr 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | See the link that says "Under no circumstance lose to Linux" | Apr 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | If Linux wins they get $0 | Apr 22 19:49 |
| mib_24m6za | that was Munich... my home town :-) | Apr 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | So they might as well give Widnwos+office for $0 | Apr 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Basically, here's how it goes | Apr 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | One might say, Linux has no chance | Apr 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Because Microsoft competes with $0 Windows | Apr 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | But that's nonsense | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Because sooner or later that becomes the price of WIndows | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | See the price of XP on subnotebooks | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | About $5 | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | because of LINUX | Apr 22 19:50 |
| mib_24m6za | MS is actually paying for using Windows - said that already a 100 times... Asus speaker confirmed this in Germany | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | So they won't be profitale for much longer | Apr 22 19:50 |
| mib_24m6za | they charge 15 USD for Win XP Home but pay a per unit kickback | Apr 22 19:50 |
| mib_24m6za | for every netbook sold | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer has just taken a cheap shot at Oracle's purchase of Sun saying it's a sw company buying a hw company | Apr 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | He said MS would never do such a thing | Apr 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | But! | Apr 22 19:51 |
| mib_24m6za | which is higher than the licence fee | Apr 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Their sw becomes worthless | Apr 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | In the cost sense | Apr 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | So they tried to sell hw without success | Apr 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Notably Zune and Xbox | Apr 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | They lost ?$billions | Apr 22 19:51 |
| mib_24m6za | hey - I own a MS mouse - the best MS product I ever used :-) | Apr 22 19:51 |
| mib_24m6za mib_2kldw9 mib_bs9bo5 mib_ey0o48 mib_nhm138 mib_vfvtjy | Apr 22 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | mib_24m6za: can you get me that link? | Apr 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Even in Deutsch? | Apr 22 19:52 |
| mib_24m6za | yes they are shoveling money in thewir commercial grave so to say :-9 | Apr 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I need to use that | Apr 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | mib_24m6za: please please find me that reference | Apr 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | From ASUS | Apr 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I'd re-cite it a lot when the issue comes up | Apr 22 19:52 |
| mib_24m6za | let me look this up it is buried somewhere here http://www.eee-pc.de/ | Apr 22 19:52 |
| mib_24m6za | or should be there | Apr 22 19:52 |
| mib_24m6za | was a user who mailed Asus why no Linux netbooks | Apr 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | That would change the whole way we think about this issue | Apr 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | That's literally buying one's market share | Apr 22 19:53 |
| mib_24m6za | and they answered very frankly cause they get kickbacks :-) | Apr 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | It's also antitrust issue (crime) | Apr 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Which ought to be used by people | Apr 22 19:53 |
| mib_24m6za | well but even if i find this post again (it is buried in a comment), it is not enough to proof anything | Apr 22 19:54 |
| mib_24m6za | I will look to for this comment, but it is not enough to make a case around it - would have done this already :-) | Apr 22 19:55 |
| mib_24m6za | but fits in the picture | Apr 22 19:55 |
| schestowitz | For ref: Ballmer disses Oracle's decision to buy Sun < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... > | Apr 22 19:56 |
| mib_24m6za mib_2kldw9 mib_bs9bo5 mib_ey0o48 mib_nhm138 mib_vfvtjy | Apr 22 19:56 | |
| schestowitz | mib_24m6za: if you find it, I'll repost it many times in many places and make noise about it :-p | Apr 22 19:56 |
| mib_24m6za | I try :-) good night, want to continue test Ubuntu 9.04 - very nice so far... | Apr 22 19:58 |
| MinceR | i'd be surprised if ballmer didn't diss it | Apr 22 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: "I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod." Steve Ballmer (on CNN) | Apr 22 20:00 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 22 20:00 |
| MinceR | and i'd agree with those things to some extent, but i know he forces them to use inferior alternatives. | Apr 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Think: I've got my customers brainwashed. No Lunix or I f*g sue you | Apr 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | That chap of yours ought to have tossed hot goulash, not eggs. It has better range and covers more area on impact | Apr 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | How To Upgrade From Ext3 To Ext4 Without Formatting The Hard Disk < http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ex... > | Apr 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | How To Upgrade From Ext3 To Ext4 Without Losing Many Tiny Files ;-p | Apr 22 20:03 |
| MinceR | he should have tossed some powerful acid or base | Apr 22 20:03 |
| MinceR | or a grenade | Apr 22 20:03 |
| MinceR | the world would be better without ballmer | Apr 22 20:03 |
| amarsh04 | where I used to work I read all the materials safety data sheets - smallest lethal dose of caustic soda was 5 grams | Apr 22 20:04 |
| amarsh04 | the site used to have concentrated cyanide also | Apr 22 20:05 |
| schestowitz | TuxMachines ought to publish items critical of Microsoft more often. Linux sites should not be shy to show what the single most vicious company is doing to stifle GNU/Linux adoption. | Apr 22 20:05 |
| amarsh04 | but what they really warned us about for site safety was molten aluminium trapping water | Apr 22 20:05 |
| schestowitz | "concentrated cyanide" kind of like "big dinosaur" | Apr 22 20:06 |
| amarsh04 | as in solid form... now that site only obtains it and uses it in weak solution | Apr 22 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Firefox 3.0.9 security and stability release now available < https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/inde... >. No update from 'Driva yet. | Apr 22 20:07 |
| MinceR | the 'Driva at da 'Wheel? ;) | Apr 22 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot... "PS: We have installed PCLinuxOS 2007 and 2009.1 in our office desktops after the disappointing experience with Fedora. There has been no glitches so far." | Apr 22 20:09 |
| mib_2kldw9 mib_b68jbw mib_bs9bo5 mib_ey0o48 mib_nhm138 mib_vfvtjy MinceR | Apr 22 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | the driva is a "man" | Apr 22 20:09 |
| schestowitz | COnnectiva | Apr 22 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I hate people who are like that: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/04/21/w... | Apr 22 20:10 |
| MinceR | perhaps there should be _another_ video about the practical reasons | Apr 22 20:16 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux certainly has a practical edge, too | Apr 22 20:16 |
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| mib_2kldw9 mib_b68jbw mib_ey0o48 mib_nhm138 mib_vfvtjy MinceR | Apr 22 20:18 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, the two are not mutually exclusive | Apr 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Besides, some people fancy the idea of being in control, esp. now with DRM, UAC, etc. | Apr 22 20:18 |
| Balrog | maybe we'll see gnu/solaris soon, and workable (not just nexenta) ... depending on what Oracle does with the code... | Apr 22 20:19 |
| Balrog | Debian already has a 'gnu/FreeBSD' distro | Apr 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | South Korean Economic Blogger Acquitted (For Now) < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... > | Apr 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: why would Oracle develop two competing products? | Apr 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | It already has Unbreakable (ripoff) and it works (well, RHEL works) | Apr 22 20:20 |
| Balrog | I know. But most Oracle installs are on Solaris, AFAIK | Apr 22 20:24 |
| Balrog | and there may be some good things in the Solaris code | Apr 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Nope, Linux | Apr 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Like 80% IIRC | Apr 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe I neglect Windows here | Apr 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Search their Web site, you'll get figs | Apr 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Had Linux had advertising, it would rave a lot more about companies like SAP, Oracle, Google, etc. deploying on GNU/Linux | Apr 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Marketing MATTER | Apr 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Apple makes lots of noise with puny market share in several immature areas | Apr 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | MS sells biz sw | Apr 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Including server side like Excahnge that depends on desktop use | Apr 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Thus it DUMPS to block Linux on the DESKTOP | Apr 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | To demoralise desktops devs in GNOME and KDE | Apr 22 20:27 |
| Balrog | Apple was working with Sun recently. They have been using Java and Solaris for the backend | Apr 22 20:28 |
| Balrog | and ZFS, and dtrace, and all | Apr 22 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. | Apr 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Mand' has mysql update, but no ff3.09 yet | Apr 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | *3.0.9 | Apr 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, I know. Sucks to be Apple right now ;-) | Apr 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I suppose you saw it, but someone says that "Microsoft Pays ASUS Kickbacks to Block GNU/Linux." Will EU Commission Step in? Proof soon.... | Apr 22 20:37 |
| zoobab01 | Microsoft Pays ASUS Kickbacks to Block GNU/Linux = evidence? | Apr 22 20:38 |
| Balrog | I'm sure Oracle will work together with Apple ... | Apr 22 20:38 |
| zoobab01 | all those deals under the table are secret | Apr 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz | One of my fav games:http://www.dzone.com/links/rss/sarien_... (Leisure Suit Larry in Javascript, and it's open source!) | Apr 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: I'm waiting for the evidence | Apr 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | A guy from Germany saw it in a site | Apr 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Supposedly a letter from ASUS or E-mail reply | Apr 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Hard to verify though. Scroll up | Apr 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Oracle and Apple have things in common and both are vicious too | Apr 22 20:45 |
| *schestowitz wonder what OS Ellison users. Dell has a Linux laptops | Apr 22 20:45 | |
| schestowitz | *laptop | Apr 22 20:45 |
| Balrog | yes, but one targets the consumer end, the other targets the server end | Apr 22 20:45 |
| Balrog | Apple does dabble into servers, but that's a very small percentage of their sales | Apr 22 20:46 |
| schestowitz | More abuse of the term "open-source": http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRel... They pollute feeds with inappropriate terminology. | Apr 22 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: does Apple even (still) advertise servers? | Apr 22 20:47 |
| schestowitz | They failed badly for all I can twell | Apr 22 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Same with Apple's TV attempt (PVR) | Apr 22 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Apple has many products that bombed | Apr 22 20:48 |
| Balrog | Apple TV was a 'hobby' ... at least they called it that themselves | Apr 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Google also | Apr 22 20:48 |
| Balrog | it never was meant to sell well | Apr 22 20:48 |
| Balrog | (and it's not a PVR) | Apr 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: hehe. Hobby. That's what a person or company rather might call when something goes the wrong way | Apr 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Remember Singularity? | Apr 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | MS: "it's just a research project" *LOL | Apr 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: sure, sure... wasn't supposed to sell well? | Apr 22 20:49 |
| Balrog | well, did MS ever ship? | Apr 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | So what do investors have to say about it ? | Apr 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm just pulling your leg BTW :-) | Apr 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's PR | Apr 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | They always twist defeats to make them look benign, if not make them look like victories | Apr 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft getting dumped by Digg | Apr 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They pretended nothing happened | Apr 22 20:50 |
| Balrog | well it wasn't a total failure (the apple TV) | Apr 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | All the MS VPs jumping ship (almost | Apr 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft spun this too as good news | Apr 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "Wow! People get promoted now." | Apr 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: at least Apple gives up early | Apr 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Microsoft | Apr 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Watch the MSN money sink | Apr 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | or ZUNE | Apr 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, tah[sic] Zune !!1 | Apr 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | They still try to bring it back from the grave | Apr 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Like taking a 95 y-o for another kidney transplant from a teenage donor | Apr 22 20:52 |
| Balrog | heh, 'zune hd' | Apr 22 20:52 |
| Balrog | but it's too late now | Apr 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a real HUBRIS for APPLE | Apr 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It'll never pull the plug on ZUNE without screaming | Apr 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It's their pride | Apr 22 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: haha. | Apr 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | The Zune ads | Apr 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I forgot all about them | Apr 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Let me find.. | Apr 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | HAHAHA. Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Apr 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses a penis with legs to sell music players | Apr 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Check the comments | Apr 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | That's quite some legacy for a dead product when it die | Apr 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | *dies | Apr 22 20:55 |
| Balrog | heh | Apr 22 20:57 |
| schestowitz | it's odd to see Sun issuing press release after being bought: Sun Microsystems and SAFEA Announce Open Source Collaboration to Benefit China's Higher Education < http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s... > | Apr 22 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Paul Krill uses a troll headline: "Is Java as we know it doomed?" | Apr 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | One of those "let's troll/provoke" headlines "but add quuestion mark. | Apr 22 21:00 |
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| trmanco | http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-mun... | Apr 22 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, I missed it | Apr 22 21:28 |
| trmanco | :) you're welcome | Apr 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I should post some stuff to COLA. Stuffin' the trolls. | Apr 22 21:29 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://techdirt.com/articl... http://blogs.uct.ac.za/blog/gray-a... | Apr 22 21:31 |
| tessier_ | Trolling the trolls is a waste of your time. | Apr 22 21:32 |
| tessier_ | COLA itself is pretty much a waste of time. | Apr 22 21:32 |
| tessier_ | The people who we might hope to influence do not read it. | Apr 22 21:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: not trolling the trolls | Apr 22 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Just posting on-topic stuff there | Apr 22 21:33 |
| tessier_ | Is Java as we know it doomed? | Apr 22 21:33 |
| tessier_ | Oracle-Sun deal raises questions about future control of the open-source technology | Apr 22 21:33 |
| tessier_ | Open-source technology? | Apr 22 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Which upsets trolls who want to ruin and derail the place | Apr 22 21:33 |
| tessier_ | Where can I download the tgz? | Apr 22 21:33 |
| tessier_ | They have already ruined and derailed the place. Abandon it. | Apr 22 21:33 |
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| Balrog | tessier_: which tgz? | Apr 22 21:57 |
| tessier_ | Balrog: The java tgz | Apr 22 21:57 |
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| tessier_ | The one with the compiler, jvm, etc code in it. | Apr 22 21:57 |
| tessier_ | The one which a direct link could be pasted to if it was really open source software | Apr 22 21:58 |
| Balrog | you mean openJDK (the one under gpl)? | Apr 22 21:59 |
| Balrog | http://download.java.net/... and http://download.java.net/openjdk/jdk6/ | Apr 22 22:00 |
| Balrog | you need the source and the binary 'plugs' for the components that are not yet foss | Apr 22 22:00 |
| Balrog | the binary 'plugs' are a tiny 60 K though. | Apr 22 22:01 |
| Balrog | (the binary class is com/sun/tools/extractor) | Apr 22 22:02 |
| Balrog | that's all; everything else is GPL2 | Apr 22 22:02 |
| Balrog | tessier_: all right? | Apr 22 22:02 |
| tessier_ | uh | Apr 22 22:03 |
| tessier_ | So can I or can't I get a usable system out of those? | Apr 22 22:03 |
| tessier_ | And are we granted patent licenses for any patents that might apply? | Apr 22 22:03 |
| Balrog | not sure about patents. it's GPL v2 | Apr 22 22:03 |
| tessier_ | Why doesn't Fedora and RHEL etc come with java as a package? | Apr 22 22:04 |
| Balrog | openjdk is available as a package in ubuntu | Apr 22 22:04 |
| Balrog | 'openjdk-6-jre' for the JRE and 'openjdk-6-jdk' for the compiler and all | Apr 22 22:04 |
| Balrog | on Fedora 9 and newer it's java-1.6.0-openjdk and java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel | Apr 22 22:05 |
| Balrog | see http://openjdk.java.net/install/ | Apr 22 22:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | hello everyone :) | Apr 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Howdy | Apr 22 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | heyyy roy! | Apr 22 22:22 |
| Balrog | hi | Apr 22 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | sup balrog? | Apr 22 22:22 |
| Balrog | I have a calc exam in 15 min. :( | Apr 22 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | oh geez :( | Apr 22 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | good luck! | Apr 22 22:22 |
| Balrog | thanks :) | Apr 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Is use of the Internet allowed? | Apr 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Here's a thought... | Apr 22 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | you're welcome :D | Apr 22 22:23 |
| Balrog | ...where? | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | You know open book exams? | Apr 22 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | yep | Apr 22 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | love those | Apr 22 22:23 |
| Balrog | this is a calc exam. math. no open book at all | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | They should do the same with the Web | Apr 22 22:23 |
| Balrog | no notes, nothing | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | The idea is that you have means and methods | Apr 22 22:23 |
| Balrog | just calc | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | You need to be educated to use the means | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Not to memorise | Apr 22 22:23 |
| Balrog | yeah, my programming class has open book exams | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Einstein said asomething along the lines of, "if I can look it up, I needn't remember it" | Apr 22 22:23 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And it's true in many aspects of our lives | Apr 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | You can use Google | Apr 22 22:23 |
| wispygalaxy | i had one in my AP economics class- but we could only bring in notes (not a textbook) | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | But having no sufficient understanding won't help you | Apr 22 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | google has everything these days | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Same with programming | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | On a PC with documentation | Apr 22 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | RTFM haha | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | You can stille examine to see programming techniques | Apr 22 22:24 |
| wispygalaxy | no one has told me that yet haha | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's funnt listening to radio shows | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Where they have questions.. | Apr 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Because Google is fast enough to allow cheating | Apr 22 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | einstein never memorized his phone number, i think | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | But that's OK | Apr 22 22:25 |
| wispygalaxy | google saves the day! | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | The way I see it, it's like fighting sharing or the Net | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | These days we have computers | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | People need to be assumed to have them at exams | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Not crippled by taken off them | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I don't know my phone numbers, either | Apr 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I haven't known it for years (none of them) | Apr 22 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | really?!?! | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | But it's on my Palm | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, I never phone MYSELF,, so... | Apr 22 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | ahhhh i see | Apr 22 22:26 |
| Balrog | I know a few phone numbers. it's quite useful if your phone dies &c. | Apr 22 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | hahaha | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I need to remember it only to give it to others | Apr 22 22:26 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: even a calc exam? here, not even calculators are allowed | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I know phone #s, but not mine | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I remember codes and numbers visually | Apr 22 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister's address book on her cell phone is filled up | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Like paths on a dial | Apr 22 22:26 |
| amarsh04 | one teacher I had at high school told of a student losing his exam paper amongst all the material he took in for an open book exam | Apr 22 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | what a chatterbox! | Apr 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Same with the password on the gym's locker | Apr 22 22:26 |
| amarsh04 | my only truly open book exam was engineering drawing | Apr 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I can't tell the number. I do it visually. | Apr 22 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | once i was taking a standardized test in 10th grade and almost forgot my ID number | Apr 22 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i just blanked out | Apr 22 22:27 |
| Balrog | lol | Apr 22 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i know, why does that happen at the wrong time?! | Apr 22 22:27 |
| Balrog | well I'd better go. 1.5 hours, this is. | Apr 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: you have IDs? | Apr 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | You mean SSN? | Apr 22 22:27 |
| Balrog | of course. They don't use ssn here | Apr 22 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i have a college ID, but you use it to swipe | Apr 22 22:27 |
| amarsh04 | I can still remember being 61419L for year 12, and 810739V for university | Apr 22 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | nope, no SSN here either | Apr 22 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | that's cool, amarsh | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: they need to move on with the times | Apr 22 22:28 |
| Balrog | talk later | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | People have gadgets | Apr 22 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya! | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Like calculators | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | No abacus or such stuff | Apr 22 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | hope you do well, balrog. go get em! | Apr 22 22:28 |
| Balrog | yeah, none of those things in calc exams ...... | Apr 22 22:28 |
| Balrog | :) | Apr 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Good luck. | Apr 22 22:28 |
| Balrog | thanks. | Apr 22 22:28 |
| amarsh04 | these exams were in the 1980s, I'm 45 now | Apr 22 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | graphing calcs are my friend | Apr 22 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | i had AP calc tests 2 years ago | Apr 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: a lot younger than my dad :--) | Apr 22 22:29 |
| Balrog | I like ti89 :) ..... talk later. | Apr 22 22:29 |
| amarsh04 | all the best Balrog | Apr 22 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | bye for now! | Apr 22 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i still have my good old ti-83. i use it a lot for finance class | Apr 22 22:29 |
| amarsh04 | in year 12 the classroom had a TI59, I had a canon fx83 | Apr 22 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | now i dont have to look up numbers in charts in back of the textbook, i just use my calculator | Apr 22 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | cool, vintage electronics | Apr 22 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad hangs onto his calculator from the early '70s | Apr 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I gave all mine away | Apr 22 22:31 |
| amarsh04 | at uni I had a casio fx702p | Apr 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | My Palm has a scientific caculator | Apr 22 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, you are charitable haha. ;) | Apr 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | UnlikeiPhone, it also have *gasp* cut and paste | Apr 22 22:31 |
| amarsh04 | still glad that I missed slide rules but learned to use log books | Apr 22 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | cut and paste FTW | Apr 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: no, it was more like dumping it. Not a gift | Apr 22 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | whenever i do research online, it helps a lot to cut n paste | Apr 22 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | and then paraphrase | Apr 22 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i see haha roy | Apr 22 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | my mom gives away a lot of our old clothes, believe me there were A LOT of it. 3 daughters in the house haha | Apr 22 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | slide rules- that sounds familiar | Apr 22 22:33 |
| wispygalaxy | never used it, though | Apr 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: that defeats the purpose | Apr 22 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Mashups are fine as they are with atteribution | Apr 22 22:34 |
| schestowitz | The worst one can do IMHO is obfuscate sources and calsim them his/her own | Apr 22 22:34 |
| schestowitz | That defeats the point... | Apr 22 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Think about how the Net enables Google to syndicate and string news | Apr 22 22:34 |
| wispygalaxy | google news is helpful | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Lessig calls it "Remix" | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It's also common in video | Apr 22 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | cool | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | But then, here's a thought: | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I heard it in several place and it's worth learning | Apr 22 22:35 |
| wispygalaxy | this is why i hate writing papers- too much info to lookup and organize | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | All things we say (output) are aggregations of input | Apr 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Some is natually not memorised | Apr 22 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | like a blender | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | But it's internalised | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | We then adopt speech patterns too | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | This too gets blended | Apr 22 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | it's like a game of telephone | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | So we 'copy' methods of talking | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | As well as ideas | Apr 22 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Teachers give us this knowledge for free | Apr 22 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | one sec roy- cell phone | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | We aggregate/mash it up, then redo the knowledge | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | That too is why patents are insane | Apr 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | They merely built upon works of several others | Apr 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Hey, jose | Apr 22 22:37 |
| jose | hey.. (i won't stay long) | Apr 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | THat RMS video was widely cited. | Apr 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Got us 10gb of traffic yesterday | Apr 22 22:37 |
| tessier_ | Ah, it seems openjdk IS available in F10. And it comes with the browser plugin. FINALLY. | Apr 22 22:37 |
| jose | which rms video? | Apr 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, it does | Apr 22 22:38 |
| jose | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_man... | Apr 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It was planned last year | Apr 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu too | Apr 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I think I showed you Sun's press release even | Apr 22 22:38 |
| jose | see the comments in above link | Apr 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | jose: the video you commented on | Apr 22 22:38 |
| amarsh04 | that reminds me, I still have to track down some information for rms after commenting on his blog posting on the Victorian bushfires | Apr 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | With Ogg | Apr 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Stallman on Beethoven in Germany | Apr 22 22:39 |
| jose | "foss can't be safer because everyone sees the code" | Apr 22 22:39 |
| jose | ok | Apr 22 22:39 |
| jose | i really liked it | Apr 22 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | hi jose | Apr 22 22:39 |
| jose | hey | Apr 22 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | so you saw that rms vid | Apr 22 22:40 |
| jose | schestowitz, the comments are repetitive with two little themes | Apr 22 22:40 |
| jose | basically, secrets should be kept from attackers.. not from you | Apr 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | jose: say hi to wispygalaxy. She too is USian :-) | Apr 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | ( Mincer says "usian".. sounds funny) | Apr 22 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | hahaha! | Apr 22 22:41 |
| jose | and you want to use weapons and armor that have withstood the test of fire even if you then get chicken and hide in the shadow | Apr 22 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | north american, to be exact :) | Apr 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Eurasian :-) 2984... | Apr 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | *2984... | Apr 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | *1984... | Apr 22 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | 1984 | Apr 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I can't type it right | Apr 22 22:41 |
| wispygalaxy | awwwwww | Apr 22 22:41 |
| jose | schestowitz, "hey" means the same thing as "hi" | Apr 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | jose: I know :-) | Apr 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Just thought I'd introduce anyway | Apr 22 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | remember the never-ending war in that book | Apr 22 22:42 |
| MinceR | well, "american" is incorrect | Apr 22 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | the party is always at war with someone | Apr 22 22:42 |
| MinceR | there's more to america than just the usa | Apr 22 22:42 |
| jose | ah, now I remember you, wispygalaxy | Apr 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, got to keep the military moving money and arms | Apr 22 22:42 |
| MinceR | so i say usian ;) | Apr 22 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | cool jose | Apr 22 22:42 |
| MinceR | (i didn't invent that word, btw) | Apr 22 22:42 |
| wispygalaxy | hey mincer | Apr 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | And the constructyion going too... mending what's beign destoryed | Apr 22 22:42 |
| MinceR | hay wispygalaxy | Apr 22 22:42 |
| jose | you were talking with some others and ubuntu distro and i think kde was what you were commenting on | Apr 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Like in Iraq... bomb bridged.., then pay billions to Halliburton et al to pretend they rebuild them | Apr 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | The economics of war | Apr 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Broken Windows threory | Apr 22 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | about kde, yes i remember that | Apr 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | A shame that people die too in this vicious cycle | Apr 22 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | there needs to be an excuse to control people, so say that there is an enemy | Apr 22 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Apr 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: the enemy is inside | Apr 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Not outside | Apr 22 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i meant to put the enemy in quotes | Apr 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | But outside you can 1) exploit 2) use to distract the population, directing dissent outwards | Apr 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | *exploit as in use their resources | Apr 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Which they have no right to, despite living on tiop of them (mineral, oil, etc) | Apr 22 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | i know we are being shafted by the guys up top | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: no enemy | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Like in the book | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | The "Eurasian enemy" | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Always sying enemy | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | To daemonise | Apr 22 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | mind control via the manipulation of words | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | US general calls adversaries | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Which is a synonym | Apr 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | *call it | Apr 22 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | euphemism | Apr 22 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | speaking of 1984, we had to create a skit depicting a scene from the book. it was supposed to be a serious project, but everyone's presentations were so hilarious | Apr 22 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | i played winston's girlfriend, if i remember exactly lol | Apr 22 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | have you read 'animal farm', roy? | Apr 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: nope. | Apr 22 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Not the book | Apr 22 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister got the movie, but i never got around to seeing it | Apr 22 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | it looks scary, actually | Apr 22 22:52 |
| schestowitz | winston's girlfriend: winston's girlfriend | Apr 22 22:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Apr 22 22:53 |
| schestowitz | NSFW :-| | Apr 22 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | LOL ;) | Apr 22 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | are you going to try out ubuntu tomorrow? | Apr 22 22:54 |
| amarsh04 | just listening to rms videoes now... works alright (although not in sync) on this PII-266 | Apr 22 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | i wish obama hired him | Apr 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | OBAMAA is w/ the MAFIAA | Apr 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | (and Biden's MAFIAA) | Apr 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Nader might pick someone like RMS, who endorses him | Apr 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Kucinich maybe too | Apr 22 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | i voted for nader when we had mock elections in 2004 back in high school | Apr 22 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | he did surprisingly well | Apr 22 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | bush beat kerry by a teensy bit, though | Apr 22 22:57 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad took a political quiz online, and he agrees with Kucinich 100% | Apr 22 22:57 |
| amarsh04 | rms did a fairly good job of splitting his sentences for his interpreter | Apr 22 22:58 |
| wispygalaxy | that's nice of him | Apr 22 22:59 |
| wispygalaxy | when you know your words are being translated, make sure you are speaking slowly | Apr 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Or transcribed | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | There's plan for errr and hmmm... | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | But when you utter a word, it's there. | Apr 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | So better take time to think it through | Apr 22 23:01 |
| amarsh04 | also one has to speak complete clauses or sentences | Apr 22 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, i try not to say 'like' | Apr 22 23:02 |
| amarsh04 | how did it come across to you schestowitz as someone who knew both languages? | Apr 22 23:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | in a formal discussion setting, it's important to speak in full sentences, i think | Apr 22 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | but when you are with friends, you can speak casually/ with slang | Apr 22 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | what will happen to java, since oracle bought it? | Apr 22 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope it stays open | Apr 22 23:11 |
| _spc_ | yeah, it also will become a coffee | Apr 22 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | mmmmmmm | Apr 22 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Apr 22 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | have we met before? i'm wispy | Apr 22 23:12 |
| wispygalaxy | i know Schestowitz from Digg | Apr 22 23:13 |
| _spc_ | yeah, i'm boo | Apr 22 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | ohhhhhhh i see haha | Apr 22 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | welcome back to the BN IRC channel | Apr 22 23:14 |
| _spc_ | yeah, i'm quite often here | Apr 22 23:14 |
| _spc_ | with diff nicknames though | Apr 22 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i started using 'wispy' but i'm using 'wispygalaxy' from now on | Apr 22 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i use this name everywhere | Apr 22 23:15 |
| _spc_ | those fags in ##socialites banned me for being fags-intolerant | Apr 22 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | what is that channel like? | Apr 22 23:15 |
| _spc_ | chat trash | Apr 22 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | the AIM chat rooms are very trashy, been there only once | Apr 22 23:16 |
| _spc_ | 25% of talks about how gay they are | Apr 22 23:16 |
| _spc_ | and if you point it out, you're intolerant and should be banned | Apr 22 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | hmmm are they allowed to talk about their sex life in there? | Apr 22 23:17 |
| _spc_ | yeah, any trash talk and foul words | Apr 22 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | well, i guess that channel is not your taste after all | Apr 22 23:18 |
| _spc_ | seems like that | Apr 22 23:18 |
| _spc_ | but i don't like when i get banned for no sane reason or ops hypocricy | Apr 22 23:19 |
| _spc_ | so i just ban evade | Apr 22 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | i guess some people like having complete control over a channel | Apr 22 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | it gets to their heads | Apr 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | balzac got banned from Ubuntu | Apr 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | For very minor things | Apr 22 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | poor balzac | Apr 22 23:20 |
| _spc_ | freenode is becoming an almost total trash | Apr 22 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | where do we go now? | Apr 22 23:20 |
| amarsh04 | fdfnet.net has been fairly good, and debian's irc | Apr 22 23:20 |
| _spc_ | except some channels | Apr 22 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll check that out, amarsh, thx | Apr 22 23:20 |
| amarsh04 | irc.fdfnet.net channel #groklaw (-: | Apr 22 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | at least this channel is still cool, thanks roy! hehe | Apr 22 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | pam's channel, cool | Apr 22 23:21 |
| amarsh04 | no official relationship but groklaw.net webmaster MathFox is a regular | Apr 22 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | so you get accurate info straight from him | Apr 22 23:22 |
| amarsh04 | you get people who are very in tune with what has been covered in groklaw.net over the years | Apr 22 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | so it's a good quality channel overall | Apr 22 23:23 |
| amarsh04 | yes, usually multiple ops in channel | Apr 22 23:25 |
| tessier_ | wispygalaxy: Not Pam's channel. The topic on the channel explicitly says it is not associated with her. | Apr 22 23:25 |
| _spc_ | multiple ops doesn't mean good quality | Apr 22 23:25 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok, thank tessier | Apr 22 23:25 |
| _spc_ | often the less the ops the better | Apr 22 23:25 |
| amarsh04 | good in terms of banning spammers... no regulars get banned or behave in a fashion that would want others to ban them | Apr 22 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | since there are a lot of guys who know about groklaw, i figured they would give out better info than other guys | Apr 22 23:26 |
| _spc_ | amarsh04, only lame channels like ##windows get spammed often | Apr 22 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | who wants to read that channel, anyway haha | Apr 22 23:27 |
| _spc_ | :)) | Apr 22 23:27 |
| wispygalaxy | spammers are very annoying. on Digg, they try to friend me all the time | Apr 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Sorry if I'm slow now BTW. I'm busy preparing links for you guys (and wispygalaxy) | Apr 22 23:27 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the present, haha ;) | Apr 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Only in America will "you guys" cover girls too | Apr 22 23:28 |
| _spc_ | may be ikonia is a girl too :) | Apr 22 23:28 |
| amarsh04 | no worries schestowitz | Apr 22 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | :) | Apr 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Gander doesn't matter as much as the message | Apr 22 23:28 |
| amarsh04 | and in .au schestowitz, even females talking to other females | Apr 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | But when banter comes up, then it's good to clarify | Apr 22 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, i am concerned about the message, not who the messenger is | Apr 22 23:29 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, people don't automatically assume i'm female at first | Apr 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yup, we need more women in Free/libre software | Apr 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Some of the speakers whom I follow on this subject are female, but only in the political arena | Apr 22 23:29 |
| _spc_ | invite ##ubuntu-women | Apr 22 23:29 |
| amarsh04 | yes, there are a few in .au schestowitz | Apr 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They have the advbantage of not being attackable to the same degree | Apr 22 23:30 |
| wispygalaxy | lol that's an advantage | Apr 22 23:30 |
| schestowitz | It's hard for government to ban/imprison a white, adult, woman | Apr 22 23:30 |
| amarsh04 | true schestowitz | Apr 22 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Try doing activism as a male Muslim | Apr 22 23:30 |
| schestowitz | They'd make it hard | Apr 22 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Based on prejudice, which give ammuniation | Apr 22 23:30 |
| wispygalaxy | it's an ad-hominem attack, sadly | Apr 22 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if PJ would be insulted more if she were not a female | Apr 22 23:31 |
| wispygalaxy | hmm interesting point | Apr 22 23:31 |
| wispygalaxy | she's always referred to as 'PJ', not Pamela | Apr 22 23:31 |
| schestowitz | A British sergeant (IIRC) slapped a woman protester the other day | Apr 22 23:32 |
| schestowitz | She pressed no charges but she was wqounded | Apr 22 23:32 |
| wispygalaxy | if you are bigger than someone, then don't try that crap | Apr 22 23:32 |
| schestowitz | She protested against the attack on Ian, who dies as a bystanders after getting attacked by a policeman | Apr 22 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Near my house there a stand distributing leaflets about it | Apr 22 23:32 |
| schestowitz | > if you are bigger than someone, then don't try that crap | Apr 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Sometime it's the opposite | Apr 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | It's a bully inferiority complex | Apr 22 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | people should stand up for themselves, it's very effective | Apr 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | If they are law enforcers or spooks, they'll want to bully uou more | Apr 22 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Just watch what happens to big people in prison | Apr 22 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, picking on someone smaller than yourself makes you look pathetic | Apr 22 23:33 |
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| wispygalaxy | uh oh, haha | Apr 22 23:34 |
| amarsh04 | well, I'm about 56 kg (-: | Apr 22 23:34 |
| wispygalaxy | good to keep in shape, i see :) | Apr 22 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I 'm always 100kg | Apr 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz | *almost | Apr 22 23:41 |
| wispygalaxy | of course, you work out and have all that muscle haha | Apr 22 23:41 |
| wispygalaxy | ;) | Apr 22 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | I have this friend who used to take steroids and it messed up its health | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad I'm always staying on the clean side | Apr 22 23:42 |
| wispygalaxy | jaundice, acne, hormonal problems | Apr 22 23:42 |
| wispygalaxy | steroids cause that | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Well, one day he passed out | Apr 22 23:42 |
| wispygalaxy | also roid rage | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | And it's only part of more problems | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Scary stuff | Apr 22 23:42 |
| schestowitz | These things should be illegalised | Apr 22 23:42 |
| wispygalaxy | well, it's good that you are committed to being clean | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | It always amuses me to see that phony governor of Texas | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Friend of invader Bush | Apr 22 23:43 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't do drugs, either | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | And also... | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | He wants to ban steroid... such a hypocrite | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | The guy messed himself up too (he has money for his healthcare) | Apr 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | And he tries to tell others not to do what he did. What a stupid Roidphreak | Apr 22 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | they say the war on drugs in fueling the druglords in mexico | Apr 22 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | hypocritical :( | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | War oin drugs is like war on sharing | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Of files | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It's not winnable | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | You just criminalise people | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Some p-eople grow pot in treir back year | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | *yard | Apr 22 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | look at the US jails. non-violent criminals are there | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It's not 'policeable'. | Apr 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, and white-collar crimes run rampant | Apr 22 23:45 |
| wispygalaxy | that is worse, imo | Apr 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Either killing millions of people with B52s or ruining foreign economies by dumping software, to give one example | Apr 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Or selling tobacco FOR MONEY, etc. | Apr 22 23:45 |
| wispygalaxy | since it's so silent (white collar crimes), it's easy to cause more damage | Apr 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I..e selling drugs at massive scale and killing like 50 million Chinese (from smoking, IIRC) | Apr 22 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Prison #1: what did you do? | Apr 22 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Prison #2: I took a pill | Apr 22 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Prison #2: what did you do? | Apr 22 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Prison #1: Killed a bunch of kids | Apr 22 23:46 |
| Ziggyfish | liking the new theme for the wiki, looks a lot better | Apr 22 23:47 |
| wispygalaxy | lol @ the range of severity | Apr 22 23:47 |
| wispygalaxy | roy you reminded me of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Apr 22 23:47 |
| *schestowitz looks | Apr 22 23:47 | |
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| schestowitz | "This video is not available in your country. " | Apr 22 23:48 |
| wispygalaxy | hi ziggyfish | Apr 22 23:48 |
| schestowitz | UK blocks it | Apr 22 23:48 |
| Ziggyfish | hey | Apr 22 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Germany would too | Apr 22 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Ziggyfish | Apr 22 23:49 |
| wispygalaxy | it's Afroman - Because I Got High | Apr 22 23:49 |
| wispygalaxy | that song is funny yet serious | Apr 22 23:49 |
| MinceR | blocked in hungary, too | Apr 22 23:49 |
| wispygalaxy | universalmusicgroup posted it on YT | Apr 22 23:50 |
| wispygalaxy | why do they want to block their international customers? | Apr 22 23:50 |
| wispygalaxy | reminds me of hulu | Apr 22 23:50 |
| wispygalaxy | hulu blocks canada | Apr 22 23:50 |
