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• Victor Soliz

  2009-06-03 02:58:31

  Finally good news.
  
  Yay.
  
  Heck, with ubuntu being way more Mono friendly lately instead of changing, I might make the move.

• woods

  2009-06-10 06:21:34

  This is indeed great news.
  
  Finally a mono-free (by default) mainstream distro.
  
  I'm definitely moving to Fedora (especially in light of Ubuntu's continuing mono-friendliness)

• pcolon

  2009-06-10 11:54:16

  If you're using ubuntu and are, because of mono, changing to another distro, ubuntu's source, Debian, is mono-free by default.
  
  Fedora is a great distro. It was the one used to in place of windows. Nevertheless, I found that there is a lot of freedom and choice using Debian.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2009-06-10 11:58:15

  We might hear something about Tomboy becoming default in Debian. It is not too late to stop it. We will know about the results pretty soon.

• Marcus Koze

  2009-06-10 07:59:17

  I wish to believe that this is NOT something micromoft intended with mono (I know, made by novell, but still related and backed by micro&soft)... as in particularly dreaming about Canonical getting comfortable with the mono stuff and _drive users away_ through micromoft association with the "framework" (is mono a framework or what ?) ...
  
  OTOH, i had a thought, maybe crazy, but what if Canonical had some secret deal with them (micro&soft / novell) not to be sued, so dancing with the renegades now ? I'm not accusing anyone of anything, was just a thought of mine ... but i keep reminding myself: Canonical is a company, sponsoring the Ubuntu project ... they've done a phenomenal job 'till now, all respect to them for that ... but sooner or later, companies get into compromising stuff for revenue... you know, money can corrupt even the brightest minds around ... i keep hoping they wouldn't fall into it, yet started to prospect several other distros for a possible switch (that is: away from Ubuntu)... still using it, but seriously prospecting nonetheless...
  
  As far as my concearn, the only app that I've used and dropped later was Gnome-Do (with the new Docky theme), but when i found out it's written in mono, removed it in an instant... out of ideological reasons (mainly) but also because i didn't want to become too fond of it, considering the risks behind the technology used to create it. Some may keep saying there's no risk, or that there's a risk in everything, but this one (mono) is just too serious (for me at least) and obvious, watching micro&soft's desperate actions around the world...
  
  If Canonical starts showing further signs that it does what about every business does (compromises the path it started for the sake of more, and then even more, revenue), guess what follows ...

• eet

  2009-06-10 12:44:20

  If you are afraid of patent risks, better don't use the Kernel either, as M$ claims it violates some of their patents. :p
  
  To put it blunt: If you don't even care to use what M$ threatened to sue about one day, why should you care to use what M$ expressly promises NOT to sue about?

• pcolon

  2009-06-10 12:52:36

  MSFT promised not to sue on FAT.

• Marcus Koze

  2009-06-10 13:13:10

  Oh no, I'm not afraid to use the kernel, i don't even consider micro&soft's claims about that, actually I'm much more convinced that M$'s code is a rip-off of FLOSS code... but that'd be self-nullifying, as what micro&soft offers is crap packed in a not-so-appealing box, valued only by marketing over-hype.
  
  No, i won't stop using the Linux kernel as long as it or i exist. Yet the mono thingie seems a *real* risk, *no matter what micro&soft says about not suing or using it to favour themselves / keep themselves afloat*. At least in my very own opinion.

• eet

  2009-06-10 13:29:15

  There is no logic in your argument, Sir!

• Marcus Koze

  2009-06-10 13:32:18

  Probably because my english isn't the best thing i'm capable of. Please tell me what's not clear to you and i'll try to rephrase more concisely

• eet

  2009-06-10 13:36:27

  It's not a matter of re-phrasing, you are simply being illogical. You know; logic - fact, cause, effect, and so-on; you learn that stuff at university.

• Marcus Koze

  2009-06-10 13:45:14

  alright, to sum what i've meant there:
  
  - i personaly have no issues about the Linux kernel and use it without a single sweat about what you say regarding m$ claims that the linux kernel infringes xyz patents
  
  - again, i personaly find the use of mono a lot more probable of being used by m$ agains the FOSS community
  
  - a correction about my claim about m$'s code being a rip-off of FLOSS code: that should read "i think some m$ code is more likely to be a rip-off of FLOSS code, than vice-versa". my apologies, i see now that it sounds a bit too radical as i've previously written it.

• saulgoode

  2009-06-10 13:50:50

  If you are afraid of patent risks, better don’t use the Kernel either, as M$ claims it violates some of their patents.

  The kernel development project doesn't rely upon Microsoft patent licensing for justification of implementing potentially infringing code.

• eet

  2009-06-10 13:54:07

  Nor does Mono. The Novell-M$ agreement was pure marketing that even Icaza was only informed about afterwards.