07.30.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 29th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:43 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	kentma: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… BT snares Silicon Valley phone firm [...] The company uses open APIs and has attracted a big community of developers. It hopes to release a consumer version of its product later this year.	Jul 29 12:32
schestowitz	The Symbian head appears to be out too: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505…	Jul 29 12:33
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brendan_	hey	Jul 29 12:53
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schestowitz	Hey there, brendan_. Any news?	Jul 29 12:53
ZiggyFish_laptop	yes	Jul 29 12:53
ZiggyFish_laptop	IBM dominates Green500 supercomputer list <http://www.itnews.com.au/News/News…	Jul 29 12:54
ZiggyFish_laptop	I wonder how many of them supercomputers run linux	Jul 29 12:55
schestowitz	Yes, Red Hat at the top.	Jul 29 12:55
schestowitz	92% of them run Linux.	Jul 29 12:55
schestowitz	91% last year, if you include VMs.	Jul 29 12:55
ZiggyFish_laptop	yeah	Jul 29 12:55
ZiggyFish_laptop	finally got my computer back from the shop	Jul 29 12:56
ZiggyFish_laptop	and quickly as ever installed Linux	Jul 29 12:56
schestowitz	One of my monitors started flickering half an hour ago.	Jul 29 12:57
ZiggyFish_laptop	lol (was it a CRT ?)	Jul 29 12:57
schestowitz	I worry that it’s part of that huge Nvidia disaster (G84 and G86). They expect to lose hundreds of millions due to this.	Jul 29 12:57
schestowitz	Yes, one is a large CRT.	Jul 29 12:58
ZiggyFish_laptop	lol	Jul 29 12:58
schestowitz	It can do over 2000px in width.	Jul 29 12:58
ZiggyFish_laptop	nice, I use to have a CRT that could do that	Jul 29 13:00
schestowitz	[rant /] stooopid MSBBC: “In the past Microsoft has been hostile to the open source movement” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t…	Jul 29 13:01
schestowitz	In the past? They don’t even mention the so-called ‘patent terrorism’ from last year, let alone the motives in this recent move.	Jul 29 13:01
schestowitz	The 24″ LCD that I bought is like s step back, pixel-wise. That’s hardly progress.	Jul 29 13:02
ZiggyFish_laptop	lol	Jul 29 13:03
ZiggyFish_laptop	MS is only doing it to make people think it’s open, but really it’s disabling it’s competitors (it’s been doing this for decades)	Jul 29 13:08
schestowitz	Spin sabotage as a good thing. Yeah, like the Novell deal. Microsoft uses it to claim that it’s nicer.	Jul 29 13:09
ZiggyFish_laptop	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h… is an interesting article	Jul 29 13:12
ZiggyFish_laptop	Locking down open computing	Jul 29 13:12
schestowitz	It’s a shame that he doesn’t mention GNU/Linux. I think he uses it. Apple is just a freerider and its platform is locked like a chastity belt (all of them).	Jul 29 13:15
ZiggyFish_laptop	anyway I’m off (thought I might keep you up to date with what I’m seeing in the IT industry)	Jul 29 13:17
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kentma	I know on the ribbit, yes. It’ll be interesting to see what value it’ll be.	Jul 29 16:54
schestowitz	I heard of it before, but it’s not Linux, IIRC.	Jul 29 16:56
kentma	It’s VC funded.	Jul 29 16:58
schestowitz	How much was it bought for. 100 mil?	Jul 29 17:01
kentma	US$100mio, yes.	Jul 29 17:06
schestowitz	You should have bought ‘em for a pint.	Jul 29 17:08
kentma	We’ve a lot of new people in making decisions on stuff.	Jul 29 17:08
schestowitz	Microsoft has just ‘bought’ Apache for just $100,000	Jul 29 17:08
kentma	And there I was thinking that IIS was a really good platform…	Jul 29 17:09
schestowitz	Well, they didn’t actually /BUY/ anything, but Apache sort of sold out.	Jul 29 17:09
schestowitz	I reckon we’ll need to wait some months before seeing the effects. The OOXML thing was bad enough to begin with (POI)	Jul 29 17:10
schestowitz	One of the seniors from Apache was angry with my assessment and left a bunch of comments. Many unknown visitors read those posts too, so I imagine it came up in popular mailing lists or something (about a thousand more visits than the average).	Jul 29 17:12
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DB42	hi, anybody here ?	Jul 29 17:24
DB42	how can i know if my comp’s ACPI is borked for linux?	Jul 29 17:24
schestowitz	What brand is it?	Jul 29 17:28
schestowitz	See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa…	Jul 29 17:33
DB42	Lenovo 3000 N100	Jul 29 17:34
DB42	whenever it comes back from sleep mode, the fans stop working and it overheats	Jul 29 17:35
schestowitz	They should have OK compatibility. Have you tried it yet (or considering a buy)?	Jul 29 17:35
DB42	?	Jul 29 17:35
DB42	i’m usin git	Jul 29 17:35
DB42	using it	Jul 29 17:35
DB42	both ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 have this problem (i guess others as well)	Jul 29 17:35
schestowitz	ACPI misbehaving?	Jul 29 17:36
DB42	this is what i thought	Jul 29 17:36
DB42	but i have no idea on how to investigate this	Jul 29 17:36
schestowitz	I’d try to find if other people report the same issue with the same unit/model.	Jul 29 17:37
DB42	i tried looking for some inf	Jul 29 17:38
DB42	o	Jul 29 17:38
DB42	i saw some other complaints here and there, but with no concreate answer	Jul 29 17:38
schestowitz	Have you contacted Lenovo? They are now IBM-free.	Jul 29 17:38
DB42	nop	Jul 29 17:39
DB42	i rather invstigate this issue	Jul 29 17:40
DB42	besides this is an old / deprcated model, i don’t think they would answer anything that might help	Jul 29 17:40
DB42	is there ACPI checking howto ? i’ve seen the blog entry you had on this	Jul 29 17:40
schestowitz	What happens when you hibernate?	Jul 29 17:40
kentma	schestowitz: if the apache folk are angry, it’s most likely because y ou were right.	Jul 29 17:41
DB42	same issue	Jul 29 17:41
schestowitz	I don’t know, kentma, but they actually ignored my arguments and preferred insults.	Jul 29 17:42
schestowitz	BTW, Perens thought the same thing. Same with SJVN, Ballard, etc.	Jul 29 17:42
schestowitz	I know there’s a large ACPI acticle in Wikipedia	Jul 29 17:43
schestowitz	[H]omer’s site is cited there.	Jul 29 17:43
DB42	i tried asking in all #linux channels but didn’t get any helpfull answers	Jul 29 17:44
DB42	i need a more linux-oriented tools for checking info	Jul 29 17:44
schestowitz	Have you tried phoronix?	Jul 29 17:45
schestowitz	They have some hardware experts there.	Jul 29 17:45
DB42	they have an irc chan ?	Jul 29 17:47
DB42	heh	Jul 29 17:47
DB42		Jul 29 17:47
schestowitz	#phoronix. I’m always there, too.	Jul 29 17:48
DB42	you run this site?	Jul 29 17:48
DB42	(boycott)	Jul 29 17:48
schestowitz	Which one? No, not phoronix. But I’m friends with Michael, the guy who runs it.	Jul 29 17:49
DB42	no… boycottnovell …	Jul 29 17:49
schestowitz	Yes, Shane created the site, but he’s busy with other things these days. That may change in the future if my capacity to run the site is no more.	Jul 29 17:52
schestowitz	Subscribe to our RSS feed if you find the posts interesting. The stories are typically unique.	Jul 29 17:53
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DB42	very idle channel	Jul 29 18:11
schestowitz	Yes, I can see. I sometimes go there for quick tips.	Jul 29 18:13
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DB42	is mjg59 on irc ?	Jul 29 18:36
schestowitz	Who’s that?	Jul 29 18:38
schestowitz	It’s actually michaellarabel who would be helpful.	Jul 29 18:39
DB42	http://mjg59.livejournal.com/	Jul 29 18:46
schestowitz	Oh, Matthew Garrett. Why not leave a comment or submit a bug report assigned to him?	Jul 29 18:46
DB42	in launchpad?	Jul 29 18:48
schestowitz	Yes, but they will need technical details.	Jul 29 18:49
DB42	checking http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforu… noe	Jul 29 19:15
DB42	w	Jul 29 19:15
schestowitz	Linux setup is the one challenging part (a one-time thing). That’s why OEMs ought to get their act together and /TEST/ the hardware if not preinstall a free O/S by default.	Jul 29 19:18
schestowitz	One thing you can do is repartition and set up another distro like… ummm… Mandriva 2008.1… see if it works. The partitioner that comes with the installer is very good.	Jul 29 19:19
DB42	partitioning is not the issue for me	Jul 29 19:27
schestowitz	I recently read about Mandriva resolving some ACPI issue, but don’t take my work for it. I saw it in ZDNet UK Community, I think.	Jul 29 19:28
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schestowitz	Maybe it was WiFi out of the box. Either way, that ought to take not so long to test.	Jul 29 19:29
DB42	i might try it	Jul 29 19:29
schestowitz	I installed 3 distros when I last decided to set up a new machine. Trying just one blindly is a gamble. You wear blinders.	Jul 29 19:29
DB42	thats hardly making a case for linux..	Jul 29 19:30
schestowitz	It’s mainly for the fun of it.	Jul 29 19:32
schestowitz	Changing distro is OK, I think, as long as you don’t change desktop environments (that’s where the change becomes radical)	Jul 29 19:32
Tallken	I changed from Gnome to KDE to Gnome a lot of times	Jul 29 19:33
DB42	yeah, but most people don’t wanna do fun stuff with os, just make it do the stuff they want	Jul 29 19:33
schestowitz	True. That’s why things like preinstalls have been important. Next week in LinuxWorld Dell will deliver an announcement about more GNU/Linux laptops	Jul 29 19:33
schestowitz	Tallken: same here.	Jul 29 19:34
DB42	i actually don’t like all the duplicity linux offers	Jul 29 19:36
schestowitz	I think of it like this: advocating against diversity in this case is like complaining about a meal comprising fries and burgers.	Jul 29 19:38
schestowitz	You can have just one if you want, but it’s always good to have more ‘on the menu;.	Jul 29 19:38
DB42	nah	Jul 29 19:38
DB42	mroe like a meal comprising of burgers and steak	Jul 29 19:38
schestowitz	Good. One day it’s burger and another it’s steak. More to savour.	Jul 29 19:38
DB42	well	Jul 29 19:39
DB42	it’s basicaly all down	Jul 29 19:40
DB42	if you use linux as the cause for using the computer	Jul 29 19:40
DB42	or doing something with the computer on linux	Jul 29 19:40
schestowitz	The setup phase is important and if you are sat on the saddle with your favourite apps, then all is well. Have you seen Gates’ memo on ACPI?	Jul 29 19:42
DB42	yes	Jul 29 19:45
schestowitz	How long does booting up take for you? (Although the issue is probably resolvable)	Jul 29 19:47
DB42	ubuntu ?	Jul 29 19:49
DB42	didn’t count, about a min ?	Jul 29 19:49
schestowitz	Try identifying people with the same notebook who resolved this. Failing that, try a GNOME-based distribution that has a new kernel or no roots in Debian.	Jul 29 19:51
DB42	archlinux ?	Jul 29 19:53
schestowitz	No, it’s for adventures..	Jul 29 19:54
DB42	i’m actually using it on another computer	Jul 29 19:55
DB42	works pretty nice	Jul 29 19:55
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DB42	but true, it has it’s problems	Jul 29 19:55
schestowitz	Like Gentoo, it’s only the setup phase that takes time. One could follow the manual and get it down. Same with the BSDs. Since I run the same programs (mainly Mozilla and KDE), there’s no messing around after setup.	Jul 29 19:57
DB42	gentoo didn’t take me too long	Jul 29 19:58
schestowitz	I was going to test KDE 4.1 as a Live CD, but guess which one came out first?	Jul 29 19:59
schestowitz	OpenSUSE. ‘Thanks’ to Novell, OpenSUSE is ‘permitted’ only as long as you don;t make money from it (hobbyist). Better wait for other KDE 4.1 distros.	Jul 29 19:59
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DB42	rofl	Jul 29 20:38
DB42	money from what ?	Jul 29 20:38
DB42	modding the os ?	Jul 29 20:38
schestowitz	Deploying it for businesses. It was popular across Germany.	Jul 29 20:39
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