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09.15.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 14th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:38 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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PetoKraus hehe Sep 14 00:24
PetoKraus nin runs linux Sep 14 00:24
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schestowitz PetoKraus: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-100… Sep 14 07:04
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schestowitz No signs of Mono/c# in the latest digest: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-07/ Sep 14 07:44
Eruaran Excellent. :) Sep 14 07:57
schestowitz Heh. http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/09/13/th… Sep 14 08:36
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kentma1 schestowitz: have you noticed that the BBC is carrying a Ceefax story of a Cisco “report” about “broadband”. Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm Sep 14 10:17
schestowitz It seems like a special feature even: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7610692.stm Sep 14 10:18
schestowitz “However, a report from net firm Cisco suggests that the UK’s net infrastructure is already falling short of what users want to do with it. Cisco drew up a net quality index which looked at whether the infrastructure was reliable enough to become the bedrock for existing or future web-based services and applications. “ Sep 14 10:18
schestowitz “”Notably the UK, Spain and Italy didn’t cut that threshold, even for today’s applications,” said Fernando Gil de Bernabe, a spokesman for Cisco. “ Sep 14 10:18
schestowitz http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs… Sep 14 10:19
kentma1 schestowitz: why should the BBC be hosting such transparent efforts to sell Cisco kit, one wonders? Sep 14 10:25
kentma1 And, since when did Cisco have a /clue/ about what a network-based application was?  They do routers.  That’s about it. Sep 14 10:26
trmanco what Sep 14 10:30
trmanco openoffice.org needs MonoCrap libs? Sep 14 10:30
schestowitz That’s like asking why they advertise Vista at taxpayers’ expense.  http://groups.google.com/group… Sep 14 10:31
kentma1 exactly – same problem.  The BBC should be far more clear about what they’re doing when posting propaganda from companies like this. Sep 14 10:32
kentma1 publishing. Sep 14 10:32
schestowitz The problem is that WIndows is perceived as supremo, but for the BBC to blindly accept notions is silly. Sep 14 10:33
kentma1 agreed Sep 14 10:33
schestowitz To us an analogy, just because many army generals say that the war is Iraq is essential does not mean that the media should ignore ‘voices on the ground; Sep 14 10:34
schestowitz Microsoft’s hype is said to be very deceiving (I think the INQ reported on this). You’re being bombarded by several MS agencies simultaneously and they have you believe that if you don’t cover some Microsoft micro-story, then you pass on the Second  Coming. Sep 14 10:34
kentma1 I’m sure that they must be spending a fortune on this. Sep 14 10:35
schestowitz It’s RoI really. They are a marketing company first and foremost. Rex says they spend 4 billion a year on marketing. Sep 14 10:36
kentma1 I agree with Rex.  I’ve always felt that MS were, first and foremost, the world’s best marketing company.  They’ve lost that now to Google, of course, which means that their reign of errors is over. Sep 14 10:46
schestowitz I’m not sure they lost. Sep 14 10:49
schestowitz It’s amazing that they were #1 brand in the UK _DESPITE_ all that crime. That, my friend, is top-notch marketing. Even OJ could buy that. Sep 14 10:49
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_Doug Furse should not resign, she should be sacked Sep 14 13:03
_Doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/13/fu… Sep 14 13:03
schestowitz Hmmm.. Sep 14 13:07
_Doug major breach in the UAE’s ATM network Sep 14 13:07
_Doug http://www.zawya.com/Story… Sep 14 13:07
schestowitz “Who the hell needs Linux,” eg? Sep 14 13:07
_Doug This is so 1982 .. :) Sep 14 13:08
schestowitz “Who the hell needs Linux,” eh? Sep 14 13:08
schestowitz _Doug: Citibank has similar issues. Windows ATMs. Sep 14 13:08
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/03/… Sep 14 13:09
_Doug http://dyn.politico.com/printstory… Sep 14 13:09
_Doug Embedded devices, or at least put all the security stuff on a card .. Sep 14 13:11
_Doug http://www.net-security.org/secwo… Sep 14 13:12
_Doug “The card is a full-blown computer with its own processor, memory and hardened operating system” Sep 14 13:12
schestowitz Does Yaggie run Vista? Sep 14 13:12
_Doug dunno .. Sep 14 13:15
schestowitz Internally, I mean. :-) Maybe without Aero Glass? Sep 14 13:16
_Doug “If you’re not running Windows XP, you won’t be able to use the USB driver” Sep 14 13:16
_Doug http://www.pcw.co.uk/personal-computer-worl… Sep 14 13:17
schestowitz There was some noise about GPL violation at the time. They must have resolved this by now.. hopefully. Sep 14 13:17
_Doug Such cards should come as standard .. internally in a slot .. Sep 14 13:17
schestowitz Yes, I was joking. Either way, distros seem to come with ‘Yoggie’ as a ‘feature’. Sep 14 13:18
_Doug A PCI card .. Sep 14 13:18
_Doug “Discover the only Linux platform with bi-directional virtualization built in” Sep 14 13:22
_Doug Novell newsletter .. :) Sep 14 13:22
_Doug http://www.novell.com/global/datacentert… Sep 14 13:23
_Doug Novell® Making IT Work As One ™ Sep 14 13:23
schestowitz Microsoft and Novell. Sep 14 13:24
schestowitz Can’t read the thing. Sep 14 13:24
schestowitz It’s all binary Sep 14 13:25
schestowitz Got the newsletter? Sep 14 13:25
Tallken UbuntuForums down! hack attack!!! (KIDDING, no one knows yet :) ) Sep 14 13:25
schestowitz “Service Temporarily Unavailable” Sep 14 13:26
schestowitz “The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. “ Sep 14 13:26
Tallken schestowitz: ya, but RedHat was also performing upgrades to their system when in fact they had been hacked Sep 14 13:27
schestowitz http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:… Sep 14 13:27
schestowitz How long has it been down for? Sep 14 13:28
Tallken at least for 3 hours, that I’ve checked Sep 14 13:28
Tallken some people say Sep 14 13:28
Tallken [14:22] at least 6 hours Sep 14 13:28
Tallken ok stupid question is there a way on freenode to hide in which channels we are? Sep 14 13:29
_Doug there’s an invisible option Sep 14 13:31
schestowitz Tallken: maybe they took down Ubuntu Forums because neighbourlee raised a good question there about Mono. ;-) Sep 14 13:32
Tallken ROFL Sep 14 13:32
schestowitz They realise that Ubuntu got ‘hacked’… by Novell/Microsoft. Sep 14 13:33
Tallken _Doug: but on my country’s network invisible only prevents people to see who is in a channel without joining the channel, will check if here it is different Sep 14 13:33
*schestowitz away for a while. Sep 14 13:35
*Tallken away as qwll Sep 14 13:36
Tallken damn Sep 14 13:36
Tallken well Sep 14 13:36
Tallken *well Sep 14 13:36
_Doug Are you Compliant – Can you Prove it? Sep 14 13:38
_Doug http://i33.tinypic.com/n5jyad.jpg Sep 14 13:38
_Doug Simplifying Compliance Sep 14 13:38
_Doug Today many organizations rely on piecemeal, labor-intensive solutions in an attempt to handle regulatory compliance mandates and to protect against security threats. Earlier this month, Novell® announced its Compliance Management Platform 1.0, which integrates identity and security management solutions for a holistic, real-time view of enterprise-wide activities. Based on proven technologies, this platform automates policy processes, decreases admi Sep 14 13:38
_Doug http://www.novell.com/products/compliancema… Sep 14 13:38
_Doug translation: buy our stuff, or my pal SteveO will beat you up !! Sep 14 13:38
_Doug Sentinel helps you demonstrate your compliance with internal policies and industry and government regulations such as SOX, HIPAA, GLBA, PCI-DSS, FISMA and others Sep 14 13:40
_Doug Did SOX, HIPAA, GLBA, PCI-DSS, FISMA compliance prevent those ATM hacks in the UAE ? Sep 14 13:40
_Doug “Eight days before it sued Red Hat and Novell, Acacia hired Brad Brunell, Former Microsoft General Manager, Intellectual Property Licensing, to be its senior VP. Coincidence? I think not.” Sep 14 13:55
_Doug http://blogs.computerworld.com/novell_an… Sep 14 13:55
_Doug London Stock Exchange suffers .NET Crash Sep 14 13:55
_Doug http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_ex… Sep 14 13:55
_Doug ASUS Extreme N7800 GTX TOP (GeForce 7800 GTX) Sep 14 14:12
_Doug http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/vie… Sep 14 14:12
PetoKraus ooh Sep 14 14:16
PetoKraus did you hear about FFx eula? Sep 14 14:16
_Doug ? Sep 14 14:21
PetoKraus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/… Sep 14 14:22
MinceR i have Sep 14 14:29
MinceR the mozilla foundation is going too far Sep 14 14:29
MinceR also, i wonder why the ubuntu guys didn’t choose iceweasel as the alternative Sep 14 14:29
_Doug http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/fi… Sep 14 14:31
_Doug two cheeers for ‘oopen source’ .. Sep 14 14:41
_Doug http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnuzilla/ Sep 14 14:41
_Doug License: GNU General Public License v2 or later (+ dual licensing) Sep 14 14:41
MinceR :) Sep 14 14:41
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daskreech Hi everyone Sep 14 15:16
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*daskreech shakes head Sep 14 15:16
MinceR oh hai Sep 14 15:17
daskreech I was just on the site and noticed there was a mention of Microsoft using the EULA to block hypervisors Sep 14 15:17
daskreech 1) what was the wording of that and 2) how is that possible? Sep 14 15:17
MinceR i wonder how long till someone attacks that in court Sep 14 15:18
daskreech I can demand that you not use another product >type< if you use my product of a fully different variety? Sep 14 15:18
daskreech MinceR: The article says it was attacked and brought down in Court and Microsoft made it sound like it rethought it and took it out from it’s own good heart Sep 14 15:18
daskreech I still would like to know when that happened and what the wording was Sep 14 15:19
MinceR oh. Sep 14 15:19
MinceR i don’t know what it was though Sep 14 15:19
MinceR a search on slashdot might help though :) Sep 14 15:19
daskreech PhoenixBios was the initiator of the lawsuit Sep 14 15:19
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Balzac It’s amazing how the government of Australia chooses to subsidize Microsoft Sep 14 15:26
Balzac Actually, this possibility already occurred to me Sep 14 15:27
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Balzac Microsoft and proprietary software in general are tools of oppression Sep 14 15:28
daskreech I’m trying to find a particualr instance and having problems Sep 14 15:28
Balzac brb Sep 14 15:28
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daskreech Ah found it Sep 14 15:36
daskreech Microsoft would not allow cheaper versions of Windows to run in any virtual environment Sep 14 15:36
daskreech That doesn’t make much sense Sep 14 15:36
MinceR Balzac: hungary does it too Sep 14 15:38
daskreech Does kowtow/ Sep 14 15:55
Balzac Microsoft is actually getting money from these countries tax-payers it seems. Sep 14 16:07
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balzac_ hello again Sep 14 16:09
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Eruaran hello Sep 14 16:09
Eruaran balzac: Microsoft is getting money from Australian taxpayers Sep 14 16:10
Eruaran through the education system Sep 14 16:10
balzac This is amazing and terrible but I figured it was possible. Sep 14 16:11
Eruaran Acer Aspire One ‘netbooks’ with Windows XP are subsidised, making them cheaper than lower specced GNU/Linux versions. Sep 14 16:11
balzac The reason I figured this could happen is because Microsoft is a tool for totalitarian governments Sep 14 16:12
balzac I figured, even if Microsoft is no longer solvent, it may be subsidized by corrupt governments for use in media control Sep 14 16:12
daskreech doubtful Sep 14 16:13
balzac so Microsoft may be able to operate at a loss for a long time and still remain afloat, courtesy of corrupt governments subsidizing them for use as a propaganda mechanism Sep 14 16:13
Eruaran The Victorian state government is effectively subsidising a single vendor at the expense of competition. Which is why we are complaining to the ACCC. This sort of thing should be prosecuted. Sep 14 16:13
Eruaran nah Sep 14 16:13
Eruaran The idea that Microsoft could go for years without making a profit purely on their warchest is a myth. Sep 14 16:13
balzac not on their warchest Sep 14 16:14
Eruaran Shareholders would bail and the company would be worthless. Sep 14 16:14
balzac On subsidies from corrupt governments, especially the US Sep 14 16:14
Eruaran The only way they can maintain their current market position is by unethical means. Sep 14 16:15
balzac Consider how much money the US government has given to Blackwater to do the job the Military is already prepared to do… Sep 14 16:15
Eruaran And it is at Victorian taxpayers expense that Windows XP is “cheaper” than the free and Free GNU/Linux. Sep 14 16:15
MinceR according to Bill Parish, microsoft isn’t really making a profit now Sep 14 16:15
MinceR they’re lying to their investors Sep 14 16:15
balzac MinceR: that wouldn’t surprise me at all Sep 14 16:15
balzac I’d be surprised if they were making any profit Sep 14 16:16
MinceR here’s one of his articles: http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html Sep 14 16:16
balzac Our corrupt government loves to throw money to those who reinforce their power over us. Sep 14 16:16
balzac Microsoft is a part of the corporate-owned media – the “M” in MSNBC – the GE-owned, pro-war network. Sep 14 16:17
balzac Our media is 100% corrupt and Microsoft is a very important part of it. Sep 14 16:17
daskreech MinceR: That’s nearly 10 years old Sep 14 16:17
Eruaran They have to be making a profit Sep 14 16:17
MinceR daskreech: i know Sep 14 16:18
Eruaran You can’t make it impossible to buy a notebook without Vista on it without making a profit. Sep 14 16:18
MinceR daskreech: but things don’t look like they’ve improved for them Sep 14 16:18
balzac Microsoft’s budget might seem really big, but compare that with the money they’re willing to burn every day in Iraq and then consider the importance of Microsoft in keeping people ignorant. Sep 14 16:18
daskreech balzac: That’s united states :) Sep 14 16:19
daskreech slight difference Sep 14 16:19
daskreech hard to see Sep 14 16:19
daskreech but slight Sep 14 16:19
*Received a DCC CHAT offer from _Doug Sep 14 16:19
balzac I think M$ might have even had no-bid Iraq contracts given to them. Sep 14 16:21
balzac daskreech: can you give some context to what you mean by “slight difference”? Sep 14 16:21
*DCC CHAT to _Doug aborted. Sep 14 16:21
schestowitz http://ubuntuforums.org/ is back online Sep 14 16:22
balzac Australia has a right-wing government and they’ve been one of the staunchest Bush-allies in Iraq Sep 14 16:22
balzac it doesn’t surprise me at all that Microsoft would get such a good deal there. Sep 14 16:23
balzac Also, it doesn’t surprise me when China embraces Microsoft because of China’s corrupt government. Sep 14 16:24
schestowitz daskreech: I wrote about this lawsuit Sep 14 16:24
Eruaran balzac: Australia voted out its right wing government Sep 14 16:24
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schestowitz daskreech: Microsoft was forced to back off and changed the EULA Sep 14 16:25
balzac Well, maybe the far-right has been replaced by the right… Is marijuana legal yet? Sep 14 16:25
schestowitz daskreech: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/… Sep 14 16:25
Eruaran balzac: John Howared is not prime minister any more – late last year the rather more left wing Labor party won the federal election by a landslide. Sep 14 16:25
Eruaran Labor isn’t right wing Sep 14 16:26
balzac Eruaran: that’s good news Sep 14 16:26
balzac Hopefully Obama will win here Sep 14 16:26
balzac How about the commercials with Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld? Sep 14 16:27
schestowitz daskreech: someone from here will file a complaint with he AAAC (???) in Australia Sep 14 16:27
balzac I think those ads are a sign of desperation Sep 14 16:27
Eruaran One Labor party member was asked about Iraq and the previous Howard government and how it just went along with everything the Bush administration said Sep 14 16:27
MinceR those ads are signs of seinfeld’s flaws of character Sep 14 16:27
Eruaran When asked what Labor might say to Bush that was different to the Liberal government Sep 14 16:27
Eruaran The response was: “we would tell them the truth” Sep 14 16:28
balzac John Howard is a reich-wing goose-stepper. Sep 14 16:29
balzac I hope he gets senile dementia Sep 14 16:29
Eruaran Labors view is “what kind of an ally just goes along with everything its ally wants to do even when that ally is barking up the wrong tree” Sep 14 16:29
schestowitz MinceR: it’s not just Parish. The Economist (which Gates loves) and Smithers, which is renowned. The whole of the US is in big debt AFAIK, so Microsoft is part of it. Sep 14 16:29
balzac Seinfeld and Gates look like assholes in that family’s house Sep 14 16:30
MinceR link? Sep 14 16:30
balzac I ripped it to OGG Theora so I could watch it Sep 14 16:30
MinceR (i might show it to my favorite micro$oft cultist someday) Sep 14 16:30
daskreech schestowitz: http://www.infoworld.com/article/08… Sep 14 16:30
balzac I have pytube installed Sep 14 16:30
schestowitz balzac: (still catching up with what I’be missed) you might want to consider how much they ‘lose’ to ‘piracy’, without which they cease to have monopoly control. It’s a long-term investment to them (“we’ll collect some time in the next decade”) and it sort of backfires. Sep 14 16:30
balzac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWPf1BWtkw Sep 14 16:31
Eruaran The Bush administration might not think so but for the US, a Labor government in Australia means you have a friend who is a good enough friend not to kiss you when what you really need is a slap in the face. Sep 14 16:31
schestowitz balzac: re: media in Australia, Howard censors it (also the Net). If you are interested, I’ll fetch the links that I have for it. Sep 14 16:31
Eruaran Howard retired. Sep 14 16:32
balzac schestowitz: that’s ok, I’ve seen it all before and it’s no different from one country to the next Sep 14 16:32
Eruaran What is a greater concern is a new fibre network being given over to one monopoly provider that has shown itself to be hostile to FOSS. Sep 14 16:33
Eruaran (Telstra) Sep 14 16:33
schestowitz Eruaran: Microsoft does make a profit _BUT ONLY_ in a few divisions. Microsoft fan Joe Wilcox acknowledged this too. It’s especially Office (Windows is just a ‘warm up’ that they give OEMs for cheap). That’s why they fought against ODF and broke laws in the process. Sep 14 16:33
balzac schestowitz: what do you think about the possibility of Microsoft as a tool of oppression for totalitarian governments internationally? Sep 14 16:33
Eruaran schestowitz: yes Sep 14 16:33
MinceR i think it can only serve that purpose in the hand of governments in control if microsoft Sep 14 16:34
Eruaran I know their internet advertising loses massive amounts of money Sep 14 16:34
MinceR (and potentially other big companies) Sep 14 16:34
daskreech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ad-j2Dd_Vg Sep 14 16:34
MinceR (USA qualifies, of course) Sep 14 16:34
schestowitz balzac: the importance of Microsoft software is not just financially-tied and related. They have back doors and means of directing people to particular news sites (information imposition) Sep 14 16:34
MinceR s/if/of/ Sep 14 16:35
MinceR sure, other governments can buy backdoors but there’s no guarantee that microsoft will continue to act in their interests. Sep 14 16:35
balzac I agree. I think Microsoft can be considered the primary internet contractor for the corrupt governments of the world. Sep 14 16:36
schestowitz balzac: China is one of the closest nations to Microsoft and Australia one one of the few countries to have welcomes DMCA and sw patents without a fight. Sep 14 16:36
balzac I want to see Microsoft defeated. Sep 14 16:38
schestowitz daskreech: Microsoft changed the EULA because they faces charges, IIRC, but they tried to pretend they did this out of goodwill. Sep 14 16:38
schestowitz balzac: I’ll need to fetch a link for that. Hold on. Sep 14 16:39
balzac schestowitz: I was just working at a company and I over-heard a guy going on and on about something called “Citrix” Sep 14 16:39
balzac Apparently it’s some Novell or Microsoft-related virtualization software Sep 14 16:39
schestowitz balzac: in 2007 I pulled this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Allchin : Sep 14 16:39
balzac I’m going to be consulting here in NYC, advising financial services companies to follow the NYSE and use Redhat. Sep 14 16:40
schestowitz “In relation to the issue of sharing technical API and protocol information used throughout Microsoft products, which the states were seeking, Allchin alleged that releasing this information would increase the security risk to consumers.” Sep 14 16:40
schestowitz [Allchin:] “It is no exaggeration to say that the national security is also implicated by the efforts of hackers to break into computing networks. Computers, including many running Windows operating systems, are used throughout the United States Department of Defense and by the armed forces of the United States in Afghanistan and elsewhere.” Sep 14 16:40
schestowitz “In May 2004, Judge J. Frederick Motz ordered Microsoft to investigate Burst.com’s claim that, in 2000, Allchin ordered Microsoft employees to destroy email after 30 days and not to archive their email, suggesting that this deletion policy might be an effort to eliminate material that would later be damaging in court.” Sep 14 16:41
schestowitz “This case was settled out of court in March 2005, with Microsoft agreeing to pay Burst.com $60 million for nonexclusive rights to Burst.com’s media player software.” Sep 14 16:41
balzac Allchin is a creep Sep 14 16:42
schestowitz MinceR: they cooperate not only with the US. They also work with the British police (secretly) Sep 14 16:42
_Doug “Microsoft can’t be competition for Citrix” Sep 14 16:42
_Doug http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/2004… Sep 14 16:42
schestowitz I am told by a Prof that Microsoft has become somewhat of a political ‘movement’ Sep 14 16:42
MinceR on second though, not even the usian government can win by collaborating with microsoft Sep 14 16:42
MinceR s/gh/ght/ Sep 14 16:42
schestowitz balzac: see this about Citrix: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/13/… Sep 14 16:42
schestowitz The guys is suggesting that Microsoft will buy them tomorrow Sep 14 16:43
balzac I think I let my hair down too soon at this last company I worked for – a financial services company in manhattan Sep 14 16:43
balzac I was only there as a developer under contract, not as a consultant Sep 14 16:44
balzac But these companies need to know that Novell and Microsoft-aligned technologies will hurt their companies Sep 14 16:44
schestowitz balzac: miliatires have begun moving to GNU/Linux, but they don’t make noise about it. The NSA is meanwhile working with SUSE and Apple… probably to use its special ‘skillz’ ( http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/30/bina… ) Sep 14 16:44
schestowitz *militaries Sep 14 16:45
_Doug Lawyer FUDs Google Chrome .. Sep 14 16:45
_Doug http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/p… Sep 14 16:45
schestowitz Yes Sep 14 16:46
schestowitz /which/ lawyer? Sep 14 16:46
schestowitz Mr. “Don’t use LInux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”? Sep 14 16:46
schestowitz You know, Ina Fried and the other Microsoft moles are the source of some of these ‘attack points’ Sep 14 16:47
balzac schestowitz:  I think you’re right on point to focus on Novell Sep 14 16:47
balzac The writing is on the wall with regards to the dilapidated windows code-base Sep 14 16:47
schestowitz I bet it’s like O’Gara+Microsoft ‘plant’ against OSDL. They prepared a book handbook against Chome, cloud, privacy, etc. Sep 14 16:47
schestowitz *Chrome Sep 14 16:47
balzac also, it’s pretty clear that the proprietary software giants have lost the battle in copyright law Sep 14 16:48
schestowitz balzac: Novell is almost Microsoft. They’ll triple collaborations. Sep 14 16:48
balzac now it’s all about the patents. Sep 14 16:48
schestowitz Microsoft would have bought them if it weren’t for antitrust (Novell is shrinking) and Novell is more useful when some people still trust their patches (e.g. Mono, OOXML). Sep 14 16:48
schestowitz _Doug:  see http://www.google.com/search?sour… Sep 14 16:49
schestowitz balzac: http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliv… Sep 14 16:50
schestowitz Sep 14 16:50
schestowitz As IP lawyer Kay Lam-Beattie stated “An easy analogy is a car park with a sign that says you are bound to a given contract if you enter into that car park,” she says. “Anybody can enter, but you have to accept the terms, and the signal of you accepting those terms is when you enter. You have to do something positive to accept the terms — you have to act.” Sep 14 16:50
schestowitz Sep 14 16:50
schestowitz “It appears that the standard operating procedure for Microsoft will be to send open sourced partners into the GPLv3 car park.” That’s Novell. Sep 14 16:50
schestowitz balzac: it’s about patents because it’s the last thing Microsoft has (other than deby, assuming they already are in it). BTW, they can soon enter debt as stated publicly (to investors). Sep 14 16:52
balzac That has lead me to become much more discriminating even among software which is “open source” Sep 14 16:52
balzac I tell you what, after years of social activism, I’ve learned that I’ve got to have a business plan which is aligned with my activism or else I can’t get much done. Sep 14 16:53
schestowitz The Gates fundation [sic] liquidates what Microsoft is not. So Gates gets to keep some real money; investors do not. Microsoft /claims/ is had $26 billion in the bank with speculation about another $20 billion in ongoing buybacks (leaving them on the fringe). They must move to services (see http://ia360621.us.archive.org/0/items/e-…) Sep 14 16:53
schestowitz Also here: http://ia360602.us.archive.org/0/items/e-d… Sep 14 16:54
balzac So, I’m against Microsoft and Novell, therefore, I want to broker software deployments for Redhat and Ubuntu. Sep 14 16:54
_Doug remember when technical people reviewed a software app, and not a lawyer .. :) Sep 14 16:54
schestowitz The SEC has already found iffy business inside Microsoft, but no specifics were disclosed. Sep 14 16:54
balzac They’re cooking the books for sure Sep 14 16:55
balzac I hope they’ll have an epic collapse and then everyone will scramble to get their market share Sep 14 16:55
schestowitz Yes, but many do. Sep 14 16:55
schestowitz Asay suggests that even he does and Novell is _DOING THE SAME_. Sep 14 16:56
schestowitz The issue companies have is having enemies that actually want to get the SEC to do something. Sep 14 16:56
balzac I want to make money off of their collapse. My profit-motive is an important component of my free software activism. Sep 14 16:56
schestowitz It’s the same in many ways when it comes to ECMA and ISO. Unless people complain, the funny business carries on. Sep 14 16:56
_Doug Rod Kovel: The Penguin Doesn’t Fly, Avoid Linux Sep 14 16:56
_Doug http://legaltech.law.com/commen… Sep 14 16:56
balzac brb Sep 14 16:57
_Doug “a Linux DIY installation like a DIY auto repair, is extremely complex, convoluted, time consuming and often dicey, something a lawyer may not want to bet his or her practice on” Sep 14 16:57
schestowitz balzac: see http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08… Sep 14 16:57
_Doug When was the last time you installed Windows from scratch ? Sep 14 16:57
_Doug “Open Office does not have a built-in grammar check and does not have an envelope maker like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect, adding time and effort to document preparation” Sep 14 16:58
schestowitz “Built-in” Sep 14 16:58
schestowitz You can download it. Sep 14 16:58
schestowitz Did he say it’s not “people-ready”? Sep 14 16:59
_Doug define people-ready . :) Sep 14 16:59
schestowitz http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… :  Microsoft Pays Bloggers to Tout MS Slogan Sep 14 17:00
schestowitz “In an effort to inject Microsoft’s latest slogan, ‘People-ready business’, into popular usage (and no doubt raise its Google page rank), Microsoft asked a passel of A List Bloggers to write blurbs on what this meaningless phrase means to them. Michael Arrington, Om Malik, Fred Wilson, Richard MacManus and a handful of others happily agreed to churn out some mush for Microsoft” Sep 14 17:00
_Doug http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s… Sep 14 17:00
schestowitz _Doug: how does one request that the SEC investigates known fraud? Sep 14 17:01
schestowitz I mean, Novell admits cooking the books. Sep 14 17:01
schestowitz The SEC is as corrupt as the system it’s surrounded by, AFAIK. Sep 14 17:01
balzac yeah Sep 14 17:01
schestowitz slip them a dlime and they leave you alone. Sep 14 17:01
schestowitz Watch this one: Sep 14 17:01
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/31/ch… Sep 14 17:02
PetoKraus this rod kovel Sep 14 17:02
schestowitz “Microsoft has agreed to refrain from accounting violations to settle federal regulators’ allegations that it misrepresented its financial performance, the government announced Monday.” Sep 14 17:02
PetoKraus who’s that Sep 14 17:02
balzac but given these circumstances, that is exactly why your plan as an activist must have a business plan to profit from the change you intend to make. Sep 14 17:02
schestowitz What the f? No jail? No fine? “Microsoft has agreed to refrain” Sep 14 17:02
schestowitz IOW: Microsoft greased up the cogwheels and it ended up apologising for fraud. Sep 14 17:03
balzac that’s not surprising. the law has been left by the way-side Sep 14 17:03
schestowitz Same with Apple mind you. Sep 14 17:03
_Doug the SEC: I don’t know, but I do know you need a bunch of very expensive lawyers .. Sep 14 17:03
schestowitz ‘Former Apple CFO, Fred Anderson, made accusations against Steve Jobs. According to Associated Press, Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray said “It gives the appearance that, ‘I had a partner in crime and it was Steve Jobs.’”’ Sep 14 17:03
schestowitz Alluded to in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/nove… Sep 14 17:04
schestowitz _Doug: Novell paid investors that sued them $14 million to go away. Sep 14 17:04
schestowitz As [H]omer says, the notion is bail is ridiculous. It means that the rich can walk away with crime. Didn’t Gates also pay bail to escape arrest after speeding. Sep 14 17:05
schestowitz ? Well, that was him in his younger days when he paid bail to escape ‘small crimes’ Not one weighing at hundreds of $billiobs Sep 14 17:05
schestowitz *ones *billions Sep 14 17:05
balzac schestowitz: all this corruption is why I feel the need to compete against them in business. You can’t get results through complaining about the lack of enforcement of laws and regulations. Sep 14 17:07
schestowitz Business or technical terms? I think many of them are cheating. The EC is needed here. Sep 14 17:09
balzac So, thanks to BoycottNovell.com, I have a lot of information resources to draw upon to undercut Novell deals and push Redhat Sep 14 17:09
schestowitz Or Debian, I guess. Sep 14 17:10
schestowitz The FSF doesn’t trust companies. Sep 14 17:10
PetoKraus hehe Sep 14 17:10
PetoKraus that business-ready Sep 14 17:10
schestowitz It’s true though. Sep 14 17:10
PetoKraus or human-ready business Sep 14 17:11
PetoKraus or whatever Sep 14 17:11
schestowitz Let me find Brown saying iot. Sep 14 17:11
schestowitz it Sep 14 17:11
PetoKraus http://www.bullshitbingo.net/cards/bullshit/ Sep 14 17:11
balzac well, I’ve been a contributing member of the FSF and I support them all the way. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to be a businessman myself. Sep 14 17:11
PetoKraus ^^ i guess microsoft violated copyright Sep 14 17:11
PetoKraus by using such a slogan Sep 14 17:11
schestowitz It’s here: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr… Sep 14 17:12
balzac I don’t have confidence in the ultimate victory of a social-activist organization if they don’t have business allies to prove that their social principles can be effective in the private sector. Sep 14 17:12
schestowitz Byfield is smug though: “All those interviewed see Microsoft as an antagonist, but they do so with none of the paranoia that disfigures some FOSS circles.” Sep 14 17:13
schestowitz That’s the same ‘genius’ that dismisses critics of Microsoft crime, accusing Groklaw and me. Sep 14 17:13
schestowitz “Conspiracy” Sep 14 17:13
schestowitz balzac: they just cannot rely on one company. It’s not a case of being against them at all. Sep 14 17:14
balzac I know what you mean. The FSF does not and cannot rely on any specific company. I suppose that’s what you meant. Sep 14 17:15
balzac The profit motive should not encumber the inner workings of an important institution like the FSF Sep 14 17:16
balzac But there must be companies which embody the principles upheld by the FSF Sep 14 17:16
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schestowitz balzac: see what Peter Brown said Sep 14 17:17
balzac which link again? Sep 14 17:17
schestowitz http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/ar… Sep 14 17:19
balzac i found it Sep 14 17:19
balzac thanks Sep 14 17:19
schestowitz “”The trouble with Microsoft, according to Brown, is that it is a company just like any other company, and “companies don’t have any intrinsic values. The only mission statement you need to be aware of so far as a corporation is concerned is the one that says, ‘We’re here to make money.’” With this outlook, Brown does not trust Microsoft — but neither does he particularly trust other companies, whether they are proprietary like Ap Sep 14 17:19
schestowitz ple or have business models that include open source, such as Google or Red Hat. Sep 14 17:19
balzac He’s partially right Sep 14 17:22
MinceR ah, the usual “anything is acceptable if you have to make money” argument Sep 14 17:22
balzac A company can have values Sep 14 17:22
schestowitz It can also sell out. Sep 14 17:22
MinceR i guess ethics are history. Sep 14 17:22
Eruaran My boss was telling me how Red Hat winning awards in Japan has changed his view of FOSS Sep 14 17:22
schestowitz Obligation to investors. Watch Yahoo! Sep 14 17:22
balzac right Sep 14 17:22
balzac lets see if Jerry Yang survives Sep 14 17:22
MinceR i’m really sick of this society. Sep 14 17:22
Eruaran He knows Japan, and he knows what the Japanese are like in terms of quality service Sep 14 17:22
schestowitz Red Hat won many more awards. Sep 14 17:23
Eruaran If people in Japan think you’re the best at what you do – you are top notch. Sep 14 17:23
MinceR if someone prospers by cheating, stealing, lying and killing, he is worshipped all over the world. Sep 14 17:23
schestowitz It championed that Japanese ladder for _years_ Sep 14 17:23
balzac MinceR: I suggest you make a business plan Sep 14 17:24
balzac If you really want to put the screws to the man, take his revenue for yourself. Sep 14 17:26
balzac I’m not without personal interest in the struggle for software freedom. I deserve some financial gain for my efforts. Sep 14 17:27
MinceR that’s my plan too Sep 14 17:28
balzac Let’s make money from undermining Microsoft. If you’re not in it for personal interest, I’m skeptical of your chances for success. Sep 14 17:28
balzac Microsoft doesn’t innovate, they’re a dinosaur software company. Not only that, but they’re acting like a bunch of assholes all the time. Sep 14 17:29
Eruaran Empires rise and empires fall. Sep 14 17:30
balzac Bullying Yahoo to sell, bullying small countries, the ISO Sep 14 17:30
schestowitz balzac: fighting for justice is hard to make money from. Sep 14 17:30
schestowitz I personally live off my savings at the moment. Sep 14 17:30
schestowitz A better way would be to mix activities, but again, there’s more money in exploitation than in justice, IMHO Sep 14 17:30
balzac schestowitz: it’s not only justice, it’s also that free software can save businesses a lot of money Sep 14 17:30
schestowitz Yes. Sep 14 17:30
schestowitz If you could find a way to investigate what Microsoft does and also make ends meet, that would be ‘innovative;. Sep 14 17:31
schestowitz PJ lives from donations and mugs… maybe some advice contracts. But it’s hard to do. As for me, I need to figure something out soon. Sep 14 17:31
balzac schestowitz: I can’t afford to do both. That’s why I’m so grateful for all this information which is made available on BoycottNovell.com Sep 14 17:32
schestowitz SFLC is a good example. Sep 14 17:32
balzac It’s great “opposition research” for someone like me who is looking to profit from competing against Novell and Microsoft Sep 14 17:32
schestowitz The FSF was not enabling some people there to make a living too easily, so they started a sidal business, but that’s just taking contact. Welte got a job at VIA, but I bet this means he doesn’t keep his eye on the GPL bal anymore… or far less. Sep 14 17:33
macabe At the company I work for, we had a nice plan written up for FOSS; MS came in and bought out the Enterprise Architects. Sep 14 17:33
balzac macabe: I know that happens all the time Sep 14 17:34
balzac Microsoft is dangerous and they can kick the legs out from even a very large company Sep 14 17:34
schestowitz Enterprise Architects: is that also “enterprise grade”, “people-ready”, “innovative” and “good TCO”? Sep 14 17:34
balzac and they can buy the loyalty of your people Sep 14 17:34
balzac so I don’t propose to eliminate their presence from a given company in one move Sep 14 17:34
macabe Believe me, these guys know nothing of IT. Sep 14 17:35
schestowitz Reminds me of something. Hold on. Sep 14 17:35
Eruaran The King who does not have to pay his warriors to keep their loyalty or keep them in the fight, he has already won the war. Sep 14 17:35
macabe But they sure can use PowerPoint Sep 14 17:35
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… (from the news) Sep 14 17:35
schestowitz “Woah Nelly! I said “SBS sucks” and raised the ire of SBS consultants worldwide. However, their responses are very telling and blow the lid on the real reason anyone would recommend SBS to a company (and it’s nothing to do with technology.)” Sep 14 17:36
macabe schestowitz: That’s exactly what they’re trying to bring in lately. Sep 14 17:36
schestowitz And SharePoitnt maybe Sep 14 17:37
schestowitz I heard that banks have “a hardon for SharePoint” which is a Trojan of lock-in. Sep 14 17:37
macabe I keep telling them “It won’t work in an 8500 user company.” Sep 14 17:38
schestowitz “They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” –Bill Gates Sep 14 17:38
macabe Last week the new CIO fired the lead architect. He got caught lying. Sep 14 17:39
macabe He told him there wasn’t any people qualified in Linux architecture to support it. Sep 14 17:40
macabe That was four days after I backdoored a memo to the CIO asking him “With the economy going down the tubes” why arent we looking at alternatives to MS? Sep 14 17:41
schestowitz So is it working out? Sep 14 17:41
schestowitz Tell them that even Microsoft uses GNU/Linux. Sep 14 17:42
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/18… Sep 14 17:42
macabe He hasn’t replied yet. But he knows there is talent on-board. Sep 14 17:42
schestowitz More examples here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/04/n…  and http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/25/b… Sep 14 17:43
balzac You need to let him know that saving money IS the risk-averse business strategy Sep 14 17:43
balzac Paying Microsoft for crap-ware is just dumb as hell. Sep 14 17:44
schestowitz OT: got a troll back in BN: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… (started flooding with attacks again) Sep 14 17:44
macabe Thanks, need all the argument material I can get. Sep 14 17:45
balzac The only reason to tolerate any Microsoft products in a given company is because people who use those products need to be given time to learn new software. Sep 14 17:45
schestowitz They need a Web server with Solitaire and Windows Media Player on it… you know, for familiarity. Sep 14 17:46
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PetoKraus right, so, i am running ATI driver now… Sep 14 17:50
PetoKraus *opensource Sep 14 17:50
macabe I’m reading carefully that pdf posted a while ago, excepting parts for my argument to migrate from MS. Currently we’ve snuck in 15 Debian servers running samba for file & print services. Sep 14 17:50
schestowitz Which PDF? Sep 14 17:51
macabe I don’t have it on hand right now but, I think, it’s the reverse troll pdf posted here during the India anti-patent rally Sep 14 17:54
zoobab when is the meeting in Bangalore? Sep 14 17:54
zoobab it has been postponed one time Sep 14 17:54
schestowitz It seems like The Register has just dumped Microsoft: http://search.theregister.co.u… Sep 14 17:55
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schestowitz zoobab: I haven’t heard from the Bangalore activisits in weeks. Sep 14 17:56
zoobab me too Sep 14 17:59
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schestowitz Software Freedom Day is coming. Might raise awareness in advance… or steal the thunder from the 24th Sep 14 18:01
Eruaran There’s something screwy going on with the Acer Aspire One’s in Australia Sep 14 18:05
Eruaran Apparrently the GNU/Linux model only comes with a 3 cell battery Sep 14 18:06
Eruaran If you want the six cell battery, and get the kind of battery life thats advertised as one of the netbooks features, you have to buy the XP version. Sep 14 18:07
Eruaran And of couse, nobody wants the 3 cell battery. Sep 14 18:07
Eruaran And Acer will charge through the nose if you want to buy the 6 cell battery separately. Sep 14 18:07
schestowitz Yes, I read about that. Sep 14 18:09
Eruaran It really seems to me that OEM’s are merely making a pretense of GNU/Linux based sytems… just lipservice. There’s no real substance behind it at all. The choices people are given will push them toward the Windows models. The question is, Why ? Sep 14 18:09
schestowitz They find artistic way to say that GNU/Linux is cheaper Sep 14 18:09
schestowitz This is why: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/… Sep 14 18:10
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Eruaran I mean, if they’re not really serious… why bother at all ? For our customers at least, they are just wasting people’s time. We have customers who do want GNU/Linux systems, but they can’t get what they want – they are lead on a wild goose chase. Sep 14 18:10
macabe schestowitz: It called Idea for a “Reverse Patent Troll”. Sep 14 18:13
schestowitz It’s the same with Dell BTW. I can’t think of s sub-notebook where those secret Microsoft subsidies don’t leave GNU/Linux worse off. Sep 14 18:13
Eruaran And those limitations (like 80GB HDD for instance) are just flat out BS, the Aspire One with XP has a 120GB HDD. Sep 14 18:14
schestowitz http://www.linuxworld.com/commun… http://lwn.net/Articles/255586/ “Reverse patent trolling is a quick way to raise money for any company with a Linux product. “ Sep 14 18:16
schestowitz Eruaran: they modified the limitations later. Sep 14 18:16
Eruaran i c Sep 14 18:16
Eruaran no surprise there Sep 14 18:16
daskreech wait Sep 14 18:16
schestowitz They revised it to become even more predatory and stop the critical mass from being gained. Sep 14 18:16
daskreech you can’t get the 6 cell for Linux? Sep 14 18:16
Eruaran daskreech: we had a customer who tried Sep 14 18:16
schestowitz Whether Neelie et al should intervene is another matter. They did a lot of dumping early this year. PJ gave up. Sep 14 18:17
Eruaran daskreech: he got the run around and eventually found that he wouldn’t get the 6 cell if he bought the GNU/Linux model Sep 14 18:17
schestowitz Some examples: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/31/paris-c… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/01/l…   http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/17/finla… Sep 14 18:17
macabe schestowitz: The excerpts I was thinking was in the encouraging employees to retrain and if they wanted to continue with MS they would pay for it. Sep 14 18:24
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daskreech Eruaran: Who is he buying it from? Sep 14 18:28
Eruaran daskreech: he did his own research and couldn’t seem to get one… our supplier would only offer us a 6 cell battery purchased separately Sep 14 18:31
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Eruaran When I enquired with the supplier about the GNU/Linux model with a 6 cell battery they didn’t even answer the question – they simply gave me the code to order the 6 cell battery separately Sep 14 18:32
schestowitz Eruaran: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Li… Sep 14 18:34
Eruaran So, basically Australian customers can’t order one locally… Sep 14 18:35
schestowitz “Amazon is taking orders for the Aspire One for $399.95. This version also ships with a 160GB HDD and Windows XP, which means you won’t be saddled with the slow SSD that plagues the Linux version of the Aspire One.” http://www.liliputing.com/2008/09/acer-… Sep 14 18:35
schestowitz “Saddled with?” Sep 14 18:36
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*tessier likes his SSD Sep 14 18:40
zoobab I think there are 2 versions of HDs Sep 14 18:41
zoobab and one is slow Sep 14 18:41
zoobab I am having a look to buy one Sep 14 18:42
schestowitz http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/… Sep 14 18:42
schestowitz “Gonna mortgage your house or send your children into slavery for sweet SSD love?” Sep 14 18:43
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… (“Linus Torvalds gets excited by SSDs”) Sep 14 18:44
Eruaran I’m going to start telling linux customers: “I sympathise with your Sep 14 18:44
Eruaran *”I sympathise completely: I’m a linux user also, and yes, they’re just F&*#ing with us.” Sep 14 18:45
schestowitz Who to turn them to  (what product)? I’m not sure what’s available in AU. Sep 14 18:45
Eruaran Nobody. Sep 14 18:46
Eruaran Not if you want an Atom based system. Sep 14 18:46
Eruaran If you want a Celeron, there’s the Eee. Sep 14 18:46
schestowitz I was never a fan of Intel (Atom) in the first place. Sep 14 18:46
Eruaran But if you want an Atom system with long battery life. Buy the Windows XP version. Sep 14 18:46
schestowitz It’s an anti-OLCP move. Let me find what Carla shredly wrote. Sep 14 18:46
Eruaran Thats all the choice there is. Sep 14 18:46
schestowitz *shrewdly  http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p… Sep 14 18:47
schestowitz “FOSS keeps people honest. That’s the #1 reason there is such strong, well-funded opposition to it. Honesty is Kryptonite to anyone who makes their living peddling lies. The big lie that gets my goat every time is these big tech companies that continually boast of their innovation. All they innovate are stagnation and barriers to innovation.” Sep 14 18:47
schestowitz “The poster child for this is the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child). Whatever you may think of OLPC itself, it spawned the netbook revolution. All those titans of industry have had the resources since forever to invent the netbook on their own. They all badmouthed and undermined OLPC. Now they can’t crank out their own OLPC ripoffs fast enough. Sep 14 18:47
schestowitz Sep 14 18:47
schestowitz AMD is fortunately set to enter the market and the same goes for ARM, which is going all the way with Linux and Mozilla. Sep 14 18:48
Eruaran We have customers who want Linux on netbooks. Many are “recent converts” and this kind of thing is entirely new to them: As consumers they don’t understand at all. Which is good really, you get a lot of angry consumers saying, “thats just stupid !” Sep 14 18:49
schestowitz http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/hom… “Advanced Micro Devices has no immediate plans to release a processor designed for low-cost laptops, sometimes called netbooks, saying its not yet clear whether or not growing shipments of these devices will cannibalize sales of mainstream laptops.” Sep 14 18:49
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Eruaran You direct them to make their angry calls to Acer and Asus. Sep 14 18:50
schestowitz “Some low-end netbook models use an existing AMD Geode processor, but the company hasn’t announced a specific processor aimed at this product segment, apart from general plans to release chips based on a low-power architecture called Bobcat in 2010.” Sep 14 18:50
schestowitz Knowing Intel though, they are likely to dump, bribe and FUD against them. Sep 14 18:50
schestowitz I’m still not sure if Intel is more evil than Microsoft. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/… Let me see if Intel has a history of fraud. Sep 14 18:51
schestowitz *securities fraud that is (I know there was a recent 1-billion-dollar suit for their bribes with Dell Sep 14 18:52
schestowitz de Raadt gave them some good spanking in 2006 for haring FOSS ( http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006… and http://kerneltrap.org/node/7184 ) Sep 14 18:53
Eruaran gtg Sep 14 18:53
Eruaran nite all Sep 14 18:53
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twitter OLPC uses Geode, right? Sep 14 18:54
twitter What was the point of that Perlow link? Sep 14 18:54
schestowitz “EX-INTEL ENGINEER CHARGED IN FRAUD ” http://tinyurl.com/5vfvjs Sep 14 18:54
schestowitz twitter: just that last sentence which I remembered. I don’t like Perlow. He admits to trolling for comments. Sep 14 18:55
schestowitz twitter: yes, OLPC uses (used?) it. Intel had to end it because Geode was too much for Intel to compete with. I’ll find the article about it. Sep 14 18:55
schestowitz Found it. http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diam… Sep 14 18:56
schestowitz “2 days before Intel CEO Paul Otellini would unveil the Classmate 2 or the Intel-powered XO at the CES, Intel announced that they are quitting the OLPC board.” Sep 14 18:56
schestowitz “Intel claims that they are quitting because of Nicholas Negroponte wanting  them to stop the promotion of the Classmate/Eee to education in third world  countries, but I think that the real reason is that Intel does not have a good enough processor for the OLPC project to use as an alternative to the  AMD Geode LX-700.” Sep 14 18:57
schestowitz “Intel has not been able to develop a processor to match the  price, power consumption and performance requirements of the OLPC project. Paul Otellini could have looked like a fool at the CES if he had to unveil an Intel powered XO that was performing worse in terms of price and power  consumption compared to the AMD powered one. “ Sep 14 18:57
schestowitz http://www.marketwatch.com/n… (“Investors sue Dell on payments from Intel: WSJ”) Sep 14 18:58
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37670 Lenovo got financial help from Intel, claim [kickbacks] Sep 14 18:58
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39733 (Negroponte says Intel should be “ashamed of itself” ) Sep 14 18:58
schestowitz Then there was Microsoft’s bribe in Nigeria, where Intel also funded the cost of Classmates (selling at a loss): http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31… http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/gove… Sep 14 18:59
schestowitz http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14124 http://fussnotes.typepad.com/plexnex/… http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/1… http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/keyboard/olpc_… http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-982… http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s… etc etc Sep 14 19:01
twitter Well, it’s obvious that free software + $200 netbook = certain death for Wintel. Sep 14 19:02
twitter They might as well let AMD have the business because China is unleashing MIPS on the world anyway. Sep 14 19:03
schestowitz ARM is their nightmare. They go micro now. Risky game. Sep 14 19:03
schestowitz Also this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQbN6tpYXw http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-… Sep 14 19:03
schestowitz twitter: you beat me to it. Yes, it starts with cheap imitations which then become better than what the US-based companies offer. Here’s a video explaining how it affected the steel industry (the “disruption” theory): http://ia360621.us.archive.org/0/i… http://ia360602.us.archive.org/0/i… Sep 14 19:05
schestowitz I reckon this is why Intel is moving some of its operations to China (and so does MicrosofT). Sep 14 19:05
schestowitz ” Intel eliminates salary allowances to stop fraud [...] The Times of India had reported in September last year that the company was conducting a serious investigation into malpractices related to allowance claims, resulting in the exit of several hundred employees.” http://timesofindia.indiatimes.co… Sep 14 19:12
twitter Hmmm, now I see the Perlow article.  He hates SSD because Vista can’t use them due to disk churn.  http://hardware.slashdot.org/a… Sep 14 19:13
schestowitz Just found this from Perens: MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/08/0… ) Sep 14 19:14
schestowitz “Microsoft’s new “Software Choice” campaign is all for your right to choose… as long as you choose Microsoft. It’s too bad that Intel and the U.S. Government couldn’t see through the rhetoric. Microsoft is worried about Peruvian Congressman Edgar Villanueva’s proposal for his nation’s government agencies to standardize on Free Software for their own internal use.” Sep 14 19:15
twitter It is good that Linus will put SSD code into the kernel.  There are already free file systems that make flash memory use practical, as can be seen in embedded Linux applications going back to Zaurus and Familiar. Sep 14 19:16
schestowitz Vista and SSD is like water and sand, twitter: “If your SSD sucks, blame Vista, says SSD vendor [...] It’s Windows Vista’s fault that solid-state storage isn’t performing as well as its proponents predicted. So said SanDisk CEO Eli Harari, but at least he didn’t go as far as saying it’s Microsoft’s problem to fix.” from  http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/… Sep 14 19:16
twitter Vista has that stupid, constantly indexing file system and DRM.  These churn disk drives and will burn SSDs out quickly. Sep 14 19:17
schestowitz http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/UBI_File_System Sep 14 19:18
schestowitz “Here is a new flash file system developed by Nokia engineers with help from  the University of Szeged. The new file-system is called UBIFS, which stands  for UBI file system. UBI is the wear-leveling/ bad-block handling/volume  management layer which is already in mainline (see drivers/mtd/ubi),” began  Artem Bityutskiy. Sep 14 19:18
schestowitz He explained that UBIFS is stable and “very close to being  production ready”, aiming to offer improved performance and scalability  compared to JFFS2 by implementing write-backaching, and storing a  file-system index rather than rebuilding it each time the media is mounted. Sep 14 19:18
schestowitz “Vista burns laptop hard disks – Failure eight times higher than under XP [...] The hard disk’s temperature can get ten degrees higher than the vendors’  specifications allow. This could cause hard disk failures eight times more  frequent than with XP. ” http://4sysops.com/archives/vi… Sep 14 19:20
schestowitz There’s also this: “Windows Vista’s Constant HD Activity Craziness [..] Any user that has used Windows XP and updating to Vista will notice one  thing: In Vista, your hard drive thinks it’s a bewitched lawnmower – it’s  always active. Even after all startup programs are loaded, the HD is still  active: Vista’s Constant HD Activity Craziness. “ Sep 14 19:20
schestowitz From There’s also this: “Windows Vista’s Constant HD Activity Craziness [..] Any user that has used Windows XP and updating to Vista will notice one  thing: In Vista, your hard drive thinks it’s a bewitched lawnmower – it’s  always active. Even after all startup programs are loaded, the HD is still  active: Vista’s Constant HD Activity Craziness. “ Sep 14 19:20
schestowitz Oops. From http://texhex.blogspot.com/2007/11/w… Sep 14 19:20
schestowitz This one is interesting: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.htm… Sep 14 19:23
schestowitz Intel settled, i.e. bailed out. “In that suit, Intel has denied Intergraph’s accusations of fraud, theft of trade secrets and anticompetitive conduct.” Sep 14 19:23
schestowitz That 1999 settlement could be interesting. It’s also here: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/s… (FTC chief has antitrust plate full.) People in Groklaw have explained how Intel had been abusing its position for /decades/, but people seem to be forgetting their old bad behaviour. Intel has many lobbyists too. Sep 14 19:26
schestowitz I put many examples of their lobbying and FTC ‘special treatment’ (the head resigned) here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.lin… Sep 14 19:27
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schestowitz So **that’s**  what happens to Peter Galli: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10… Sep 14 20:05
schestowitz FUDmeister now *directly* on their payroll: http://www.google.com/search?sour… Another Mole for Microsoft. Sep 14 20:06
twitter Thanks for the SSD links.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 updated with http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/211741 Sep 14 20:35
schestowitz [H]omer: you seem to have gotten the message across to Mark Shuttleworh: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?… Sep 14 20:35
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twitter Shuttleworth misses a larger point, there’s no need for an EULA for terms that cover distribution.  It should be enough for Shuttleworth to abide by Mozilla’s licensing terms. Sep 14 20:39
twitter End users should not be troubled with the details. Sep 14 20:40
schestowitz http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplan… Sep 14 20:40
twitter Free software users should never have to press “I agree” Sep 14 20:40
schestowitz See the messages at the bottom here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gobuntu-d… Sep 14 20:41
schestowitz Anyway, I’m going to do a post about Galli. Microsoft ‘rewards’ reporters by hiring them (Novell did this with Zonker perhaps) and ‘rewards’ analysts by paying them huge lumps of money to conduct ‘studies’ (DiDio comes to mind, so I’ll add her to the soup) Sep 14 20:43
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twitter I might have to add Galli to the poison pen collection. Sep 14 20:48
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moparx Wow.. Mozilla forcing a EULA popup on firefox is just now making news? I was bitching about this months ago  >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article… Sep 14 22:13
schestowitz If Debian makes Iceweasel, it’s hardly news. But Ubuntu is the Kind of Hype. Sep 14 22:16
schestowitz *King Sep 14 22:16
MinceR ubuntu isn’t even close to being king of hype Sep 14 22:21
MinceR haven’t you ever heard of crApple? :> Sep 14 22:22
schestowitz This one < http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jsp… > (new)? Sep 14 22:24
schestowitz I realise you dislike Apple, so may I interest you in older examples? Moving from Mac to Ubuntu: Why I’m switching : http://meganmcdermott.com/2008/08… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz Apple + ActiveSync is eating email on my iPhone: iCrap? : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9989… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz My MacBook Air dies while Google Docs is offline: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-9985… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz iTunes Store “Unavailable”: This iPod Touch Owner is Stuck in Update Limbo: http://blogs.pcworld.com/staf… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz iPhone 3G Frenzy Causes Glitch: http://www.redherring.com/blogs/24467 Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz Leopard early adopters suffer for the rest of us: http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9809571-37.html Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz Some Leopard upgraders see ‘blue screen of death’: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz New iMacs plagued by interface freezing issues : http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/0… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz Three blue screens of death and an iTunes mess : http://blogs.computerworld.com/three_blu… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz Apple Itunes deletes HD downloads : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/… Sep 14 22:27
schestowitz Massive Data Loss Bug in Leopard : http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massiv… Sep 14 22:27
*MinceR reads :) Sep 14 22:35
MinceR lol, asay finds out apple products suck Sep 14 22:37
MinceR what’s he going to do now? Sep 14 22:38
daskreech http://www.amazon.com/Display-Intel-Pr… Sep 14 22:43
schestowitz MinceR: denial. Sep 14 22:43
daskreech You can get the Linux EEE Pc with the 6 cell battery Sep 14 22:43
MinceR :) Sep 14 22:43
schestowitz daskreech: not in Australia on the face of it. Sep 14 22:44
schestowitz Australia seems to be getting screwed badly by ASUS. Not the first example; far from it, actually. Sep 14 22:44
daskreech Oh that sucks Sep 14 22:45
MinceR lol, the steps to fix the BSoD are wrong Sep 14 22:47
MinceR he forgot to escape or quote the spaces Sep 14 22:48
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