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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 7th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:22 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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twitter Here’s a real hater.  http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985… Oct 07 01:30
twitter bitter little thing, isn’t he? Oct 07 01:30
twitter Bruce Perens on Slashdot Astroturfing http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=985543&… Oct 07 02:15
twitter and his personal experience from inside HP, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9855… Oct 07 02:17
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twitter Last quote used to update “The Troll Zoo” http://slashdot.org/~twitt… Oct 07 02:57
twitter Told Slashdot User to shove off. Oct 07 03:42
twitter Night night. Oct 07 03:42
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kentma schestowitz: hi roy Oct 07 06:28
schestowitz Hey. Oct 07 06:47
kentma just done the digest, but I didn’t see many posts – was it a quiet day, or is there a server problem? Oct 07 06:47
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*Topic for #boycottnovell is: “Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications” [publicly logged] Oct 07 07:31
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schestowitz Eric Brown and Henry Kingman  are among those advertising Mono now :-( http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/… Oct 07 07:37
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kentma1 hi? Oct 07 07:38
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schestowitz Interesting development (Novell vs Microsoft): http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=… Oct 07 07:43
schestowitz I was also leaked some details yesterday about a Novell trial Oct 07 07:43
kentma1 schestowitz: did  you reply to my question about the digest?  I seemed to lose the connection… Oct 07 07:48
schestowitz I lost the connection about half an hour ago. I didn’t’ see the question, no… Oct 07 07:53
kentma1 ok:  when doing the digest this morning, I noted that there were few posts from your good self.  Was this by choice, or was there a technical problem? Oct 07 07:55
schestowitz Oh, on Sunday? Oct 07 07:58
schestowitz “Controversial”? < http://www1.umn.edu/urelate/newsservic… > That’s the /only/ word that they use repeatedly to describe it? Says a lot about the author. Oct 07 08:05
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schestowitz “Nicolas Sarkozy announced yesterday that he faxed on Friday evening to the President of the Commission (news piece in French), Jose-Manuel Barroso, and asked him to reject the Bono/Cohn-Bendit/Roithova amendment recently adopted by 88% of the voting Members of the European Parliament. Such an initiative from Mr. Sarkozy is testimony to his deep concern: the College (the Commission as a whole) does not seem to be ready to reject th Oct 07 08:32
schestowitz e amendment.” Oct 07 08:32
schestowitz “As I already analyzed, this amendment did not modify the orientation of the Commission proposal, it only provided a needed reminder of some fundamental rights and needs of due process in face of tentatives from a few interest groups and the French presidency to weaken them.” < http://paigrain.debatpublic.net/?p=169 > People might be right when they say he’s a nei-fascist. Oct 07 08:32
schestowitz BBC’s latest PR charade? http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/1… Oct 07 08:35
schestowitz http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202… “For those of us who’ve spent most of our careers as clients, it seemed pretty obvious that the legal business was in an unsustainable boom.” Oct 07 08:44
schestowitz How predictable that was: http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/6/50999 “Bailout not Working-Panic [...] The bailout package passed and signed into law as a fast track measure  doesn’t seem to be working, as investors are selling and  indices are dropping today.” Oct 07 08:48
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schestowitz Alex Brown threatens that I would be sued < http://www.adjb.net/post/Poetry-copyright-vi… >. I’ve left a comment there. Maybe you can too. Oct 07 12:02
schestowitz Voices of innova~1: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/… Oct 07 12:27
zoobab http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-95225/a… Oct 07 12:37
zoobab .aspx -> Alex likes Grosoft solutions Oct 07 12:38
zoobab http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-94365/fin… Oct 07 12:42
schestowitz :-) Oct 07 12:43
schestowitz I’m doing a post now Oct 07 12:43
zoobab http://paigrain.debatpublic.net/?p=170 Oct 07 12:45
schestowitz Did you see the one I posted earlier? Oct 07 12:52
schestowitz http://paigrain.debatpublic.net/?p=169 Oct 07 12:52
schestowitz Democracy? Naaa… forget about it. Sarko knows something better.  “As I already analyzed, this amendment did not modify the orientation of the Commission proposal, it only provided a needed reminder of some fundamental rights and needs of due process in face of tentatives from a few interest groups and the French presidency to weaken them.” Oct 07 12:52
zoobab Thanks for the dinner: Oct 07 13:03
zoobab http://homembit.com/2008/10/meeting-of-jtc1sc34-in-… Oct 07 13:03
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0… Oct 07 13:09
zoobab We should use it more often Oct 07 13:17
zoobab :-) Oct 07 13:17
zoobab Ala MS, via proxies Oct 07 13:17
schestowitz I think I might adopt a GL-like policy and start kicking out trolls. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-y… Oct 07 13:20
schestowitz We never deleted comments (other than spam). Oct 07 13:21
schestowitz Top result: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient… Oct 07 13:30
twitter Who is this Alex Brown clown?  If what you have done is not in line with “You are about to download a document made available to you exclusively for standardization purposes and which is protected by copyright law in your country.” I’m not sure what is. Oct 07 14:15
schestowitz Alex Brown is the convenor of MOOX.. Oct 07 14:16
schestowitz Be sure to learn about his role ‘selling’ OOXML to the British Library. I included 21 links here < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07… >, but only a few of those show you what he did in the UK. He may have subverted the BSI, but we don’t know for sure. Oct 07 14:17
twitter Just the type to SLAPP.  Wonder if you being fed with a set up. Oct 07 14:19
twitter Looking at the rest of your links.  Ugh, the copyright warriors are all over it with their usual “someone’s gotta pay for dis” Bull Shit. Oct 07 14:21
twitter “Respect for IP” it shows just how warped they want “standards” to be. Oct 07 14:21
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twitter Free software has show exactly how wrong they are.  Things are more standard and easier to use when they are free. Oct 07 14:22
twitter How perverse it would be if you needed to pay big $$ to M$ for spec just to read government documents, but that is exactly what OOXML is all about. Oct 07 14:23
twitter “Cry for M$ and ISO, they are the VICTIMS OF VICIOUS STUDENTS AND BLOGGERS” Oct 07 14:24
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schestowitz zoobab: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0… Oct 07 14:37
schestowitz twitter: see  http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-95225/alex-bro… (funny image) Oct 07 14:37
cj anything new here? Oct 07 14:39
zoobab “Now the dust has settled, it turns out the rubber-stamp accusation is more justly levelled at ODF.” Oct 07 14:40
schestowitz zoobab: soucrce? Oct 07 14:41
schestowitz “At a meeting in Korea last week, the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) committee for document standards, SC 34, issued a liaison statement to Oasis, the body that created ODF. It requested an “alignment” of maintenance of ODF between the work done at Oasis and that within ISO. Oct 07 14:41
schestowitz Oct 07 14:41
schestowitz It’s like watching crime… live on television. And the world is asleep… Oct 07 14:42
zoobab ISO is not relevant anymore for IT standards Oct 07 14:46
zoobab and there should be an official day to bury them :-) Oct 07 14:47
schestowitz There’s the Boycott ISO site. Oct 07 14:49
schestowitz Let them vent out anger, that’s no reason to worry. Oct 07 14:49
schestowitz They just ‘protect’ their jobs. Frost, Bryden and the other standards ‘chefs’ Oct 07 14:50
schestowitz ISO and Microsoft can routinely find sympathy and comfort in one another’s shoulder because they are both corrup[t|tible]. Oct 07 14:51
schestowitz http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001… “It would be interesting to know how many of the 15 national standards bodies were represented by Microsoft employees, but ISO do not publish this information…” Oct 07 14:54
schestowitz Watson is too polite:  http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000… Oct 07 14:56
schestowitz And http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1… : “I thought, with the fiasco regarding OOXML and Microsoft, that ISO had shot their creditability in the foot. It might have only exposed procedures that quietly went on for years but when the approval of any standard hinges not on the standard but on the procedural processes surrounding the decision making, it all becomes a bit pointless and irrelevant.” Oct 07 14:56
cj schestowitz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2 Oct 07 15:00
cj don’t miss directhex’s response: Oct 07 15:01
cj http://lists.debian.org/debian-de… Oct 07 15:01
schestowitz You’re here spying, aren’t you, Microsoft employee ‘cj’? Oct 07 15:02
zoobab microsoft is having their spies Oct 07 15:03
cj schestowitz: spying? Oct 07 15:03
cj schestowitz: you know I’ve been here longer than you.  don’t be silly.  :) Oct 07 15:03
schestowitz Trying to shove patent poison on behalf of his employer (assisting it at least). Oct 07 15:03
schestowitz There are too many Microsofters inside GNOME, pretending to be FOSS people but actually serving other interests in this CROSS-PLATFORM DE Oct 07 15:03
schestowitz Why are you *here*, Microsoft employee cj? Oct 07 15:04
cj schestowitz: don’t be silly.  you and I both know that the U.S. patent system is broken.  It needs to be fixed.  The entire US political system is tilted toward corporatism.  I think that it’s better to get inside and change from there rather than shouting insults from the sidelines :) Oct 07 15:04
schestowitz Do you enjoy seeing your employer vilified? Oct 07 15:04
cj schestowitz: I’m not a Microsoft employee.  Get it right. Oct 07 15:04
schestowitz Yes, you are. Oct 07 15:04
cj nopers. Oct 07 15:04
schestowitz They pay you. Oct 07 15:04
cj Sakson & Taylor Oct 07 15:04
schestowitz That’s Microsoft Oct 07 15:04
cj they pay S&T.  S&T pays me. Oct 07 15:04
schestowitz You are paid by Microsoft. Oct 07 15:05
cj nope.  You work for Microsoft in that case Oct 07 15:05
schestowitz The money comes from them. Oct 07 15:05
schestowitz Do I need to show people your LinkedIn profile? Oct 07 15:05
cj yes.  the more exposure the better :) Oct 07 15:05
schestowitz You proudly proclaim to be a Microsoft consultant or something like this. Oct 07 15:05
schestowitz You help develop their products. Oct 07 15:05
schestowitz Must be bummers with that hire freeze, eh? Ain’t that a bi*ch. ;-) ;-) Oct 07 15:06
schestowitz *hiring Oct 07 15:06
cj yes, consultant.  not employee. Oct 07 15:06
cj schestowitz: *shrug*  it’ll be tough, but we’ll do alright. Oct 07 15:07
schestowitz You work on their products, indirewctly. Oct 07 15:07
schestowitz Don’t think people are silly. Oct 07 15:07
twitter cj:  from your link, ” it’s a clone, albeit one officially endorsed by those being cloned.” Oct 07 15:07
cj twitter: a’yup Oct 07 15:07
twitter The author misspelled “trap” Oct 07 15:07
cj twitter: the mono folks are working with MS to benefit the F/OSS community.  onoz! Oct 07 15:08
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twitter business method patents benefit no one Oct 07 15:08
schestowitz cj, I never was involved in any way in getting people to leave this channel, but your presence here is not intended to help. Oct 07 15:08
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twitter M$ has nothing left but threats, cj. Oct 07 15:08
schestowitz By accepting and promoting Microsoft’s sagenda you help them loot the industry. Oct 07 15:08
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cj I believe differently Oct 07 15:09
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schestowitz You perfume it to yourself. Oct 07 15:09
schestowitz Like Myhrcold and other crooks who ruin the industry and convince themselves that they help Oct 07 15:09
cj schestowitz: as does rms: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/01/r… Oct 07 15:10
schestowitz Trust me, I know more than I can write in public (here and elsewhere) Oct 07 15:10
schestowitz Microsoft is, as has always been, an orgy and money and influence. Partners fit in too and that’s why you’re not trusted. Oct 07 15:10
cj self-censorship? Oct 07 15:10
cj anyway… Oct 07 15:10
*cj < commute & Oct 07 15:11
*schestowitz back to Firefox Oct 07 15:11
twitter you are entitled to your beliefs, cj.  Speaking of perfume, my six year old girl believes in the tooth fairy.  She has good evidence too. Oct 07 15:12
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twitter When she loses a tooth, she puts it under her pillow.  When she wakes up she finds perfumed money, a miracle!  She does not really understand what we do to earn that money but it helps her get over the gruesome facts of her situation. Oct 07 15:16
twitter Is that what it’s like to work for M$? Oct 07 15:16
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schestowitz Less sales for SAP ( SAP shares tumble after sales warning < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/… >) is more exploration of FOSS. Oct 07 15:32
twitter Hey, look.  The markets are sitting flat, +/- 1%, but M$ is down 3%.  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Oct 07 15:36
twitter Novell is down twice market too, ha ha. Oct 07 15:37
schestowitz Quite a tumble. Oct 07 15:38
twitter Yeah, that’s roughly six billion dollars. Oct 07 15:39
schestowitz Not from from a 2-year low. Oct 07 15:42
schestowitz Despite the buybacks, which is why these pictures mean nothing. Oct 07 15:42
schestowitz http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/2… Oct 07 15:43
schestowitz You can see how they got nervous when MSFT almost fell below $2 and then bought their own stock like no time before. Oct 07 15:43
schestowitz *$20 , not $2 Oct 07 15:43
twitter $40 billion is like never before too, especially the part about going into debt to do it. Oct 07 15:49
twitter Sooner or later, it’s fail for them. Oct 07 15:49
twitter AMD news, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:AMD Oct 07 16:17
twitter interesting.  gotta go for a while. Oct 07 16:17
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twitter 23.8, now that’s a tumble http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Oct 07 17:29
twitter Sweaty B is going to be Angry B Oct 07 17:30
twitter ut oh, the rest of the market is following … Oct 07 17:32
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rick_c link to a torrent with the files, please? Oct 07 18:32
schestowitz rick_c: sorry, there’s no torrent and I can’t encourage that type of stuff. Oct 07 18:34
MinceR why can’t you? Oct 07 18:34
schestowitz ISO and the cronies. Oct 07 18:35
rick_c yeah, yeah .. Oct 07 18:35
rick_c anyone? Oct 07 18:35
schestowitz I don’t need lawsuits, so people should look for other sources that spread it. Oct 07 18:35
rick_c sure Oct 07 18:35
schestowitz BoycottNovell was not the only site with a copy, but someone put it in Slashdot, so we got tons of attention, which is unwanted given how ISIO behaves. Oct 07 18:36
schestowitz I assume that Alex Brown knows about ISO where he is. Oct 07 18:36
schestowitz So I won’t provoke further. Oct 07 18:36
MinceR ic Oct 07 18:36
schestowitz Besides, ISO is up to new dirty tricks. I’d rather cover these. Oct 07 18:37
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rick_c go for it Oct 07 18:37
schestowitz twitter: yes, that’s very low for MSFT and they already do everything they can (reaching for a /loan/). I’ve just had a chat with a mate at the gym. For many years China was producing and the US just con sumed and ammassed a debt of 10 or so trillion dollars. Now the currency balance changes and it’s time to pay debt. it’s akin to the living-oblivious-about-tomorrow lifestyle you find in junk food, smoking, and technlogy that emit Oct 07 18:37
schestowitz rradiation. Oct 07 18:37
schestowitz *pardon the many typos. I try to catch up with stuff… Oct 07 18:38
schestowitz http://finance.google.com/finance?q=novl   “Mkt Cap:  1.59B” Oct 07 18:39
schestowitz Just yesterday I wrote that it approached 1.6 Oct 07 18:39
schestowitz Novell ws worth 2.5 not so long ago. Oct 07 18:39
twitter Apparently, it was not. Oct 07 18:40
twitter :) Oct 07 18:40
schestowitz Well, “based on future returns and all” Oct 07 18:40
schestowitz Living off what you ‘will’ have (or believe you’ll have), not what you actually have. Oct 07 18:40
twitter How many $300 M injections can M$ give them in a year? Oct 07 18:41
twitter Not many now that M$ themselves is going into debt. Oct 07 18:41
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/1… Oct 07 18:41
schestowitz ““Well, I doubt, I tend… I don’t know who reported on that, but I saw something where they say, you know, this probably isn’t due to Novell massaging its numbers around Linux, which is what Dana Blakenhorn at ZDNet had claimed, I mean, I can tell you absolutely for a verifiable fact for that Novell does do that, but then again everybody does that. So… I’ve.. I’ve got the sales guys at Novell telling me that, that they Oct 07 18:41
schestowitz do this…” Oct 07 18:41
schestowitz Off the future. Remember that. Oct 07 18:42
schestowitz Novell: “Linux (*Ahem* /which/ Linux?) is the future, so we do well” Oct 07 18:42
schestowitz Like the girt who says one day she’ll marry a millionaire, so she spends and spends and spends. “More credit cards, more shoes, new Pontiac..” Oct 07 18:43
schestowitz More of yesterday’s news: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/i… “Microsoft contest hacked and defaced” Oct 07 18:44
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twitter Pontiac, from 90 to 10 in 8 years flat, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=GM Oct 07 18:45
schestowitz Ick. UK to run out of electricity this winter < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… >. Electricity. I need that thing. Oct 07 18:45
twitter buy some solar panels … does your university co-generate? Oct 07 18:46
twitter BRLUG chatted up low power computing.  It’s that hurricane thing, where all of the power goes away. Oct 07 18:47
schestowitz ..Fat cats with plasma TVs ;-) Oct 07 18:47
schestowitz How about an OLPC XO with a crack? Oct 07 18:48
schestowitz crank Oct 07 18:48
twitter the walk away conclusion was a 3.5 watt laptop and solar panels was a nice combination Oct 07 18:48
schestowitz It does exist. Does it power the GPU for Aero and restrictions for Vista? Oct 07 18:49
twitter a person can generate about 200 watts using a bike on a stand, that might make Vista work Oct 07 18:49
twitter on a 3.5 watt computer Oct 07 18:49
twitter My computing is not so slim, I’d need more than one bike. Oct 07 18:51
twitter Wow, M$ came close to their 52 week low.  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Oct 07 18:52
schestowitz Something odd happened this afternoon in Thunderbird and Firefox. Oct 07 18:52
twitter want to bet they break it tomorrow? Oct 07 18:52
schestowitz Suddently my themes in Thunderbird won’t work and some extensions too. Same in Firefox. Oct 07 18:53
twitter that’s strange.  I don’t use themes, so I would not notice. Oct 07 18:53
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schestowitz Well, I’ll just use that as an excuse to get FF3 Oct 07 18:54
schestowitz Many plugins gained compatibility with FF3 by now anyway. Oct 07 18:56
twitter Hmmm, what is Iceweasel 3.0 based on? Oct 07 18:56
trmanco I know, I know, I said that -rc8 was supposed to be the last -rc, and that Oct 07 19:06
trmanco I’d release 2.6.27 this weekend. Oct 07 19:06
trmanco I lied. Sue me. I merged two subtle regression fixes today, and while both Oct 07 19:06
trmanco looked perfectly fine and had been tested by the people involved in the Oct 07 19:06
trmanco regressions, I just couldn’t bring myself to then just slap a “v2.6.27″ on Oct 07 19:06
trmanco it without some more testing. Oct 07 19:06
trmanco :-) Oct 07 19:07
trmanco cool Oct 07 19:07
trmanco Linus has a blog Oct 07 19:07
trmanco http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/ Oct 07 19:07
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trmanco http://groups.google.com/group/fa… Oct 07 19:09
trmanco more “If things go well, I might do a final release mid-week, otherwise it’s Oct 07 19:10
trmanco “next weekend” again.” Oct 07 19:10
schestowitz First post quite a while ago Oct 07 19:11
schestowitz I thought the mailing list was his ‘blog’ Oct 07 19:11
trmanco lol Oct 07 19:11
trmanco and it probably is Oct 07 19:11
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schestowitz I think my mozilla profile is b0rked because of legacy extensions. Oct 07 19:16
trmanco :| Oct 07 19:17
trmanco I only use like 5-5 extensions Oct 07 19:17
trmanco 5-6* Oct 07 19:17
trmanco about 3 of them are dictionaries Oct 07 19:17
schestowitz Let me try to restrart the session (not that it would make a difference. BRB Oct 07 19:18
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trmanco “The results of the testing indicate Linux is approximately 8% faster than Oct 07 19:22
trmanco FreeBSD on raw I/O, however, the convoluted VFS in Linux is up to 5% Oct 07 19:22
trmanco slower than FreeBSD overall on VFS user space operations with forenfs.” Oct 07 19:22
schestowitz RESOLVED! Oct 07 19:34
schestowitz Just reinstalling it did the trick for Firefox. Now let’s try TB. Oct 07 19:35
trmanco how to you make those well looking quotes on usenet? Oct 07 19:37
trmanco are they from thunderbird ? Oct 07 19:37
schestowitz No, KNode has a fuction Oct 07 19:40
trmanco ok Oct 07 19:40
schestowitz Highlight text, then ALT+T+B Oct 07 19:40
twitter intersting Oct 07 19:41
twitter bad news is supposed to come at the end of the week, isn’t it? Oct 07 19:41
twitter “the downside risks” for growth have increased.” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p… Oct 07 19:42
twitter they put “increased growth” into a statement announcing a depression.  ha ha Oct 07 19:42
twitter ding, ding, ding 52 week low busted.  23.42 and going down.  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Oct 07 19:44
twitter of course, freefall http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL Oct 07 19:45
twitter Have I shared this one yet?  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213805 Oct 07 19:47
twitter gotta love the title of the article, ” Slavish reporters join Microsoft in cloud cuckoo land” Oct 07 19:47
schestowitz Is that the guy who criticised the BBC? Oct 07 19:53
schestowitz Wow. Novell down almost 10% Oct 07 19:58
schestowitz Brutal. Market cap almost $1.5B Oct 07 19:59
trmanco http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2008/10/wha… Oct 07 20:02
trmanco oh great Oct 07 20:05
trmanco Additional new features in Mono 2.0 are said to include: Oct 07 20:05
trmanco     * Easier installation — one-click installation for SUSE Linux Enterprise and openSUSE Oct 07 20:05
trmanco http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS823… Oct 07 20:06
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0… Oct 07 20:08
schestowitz trmanco: I’ll write about it on Saturday. Oct 07 20:08
trmanco ok Oct 07 20:09
trmanco my point is that they only offer a one click installation for Suse and opensuse… what about the other famous distros Oct 07 20:10
schestowitz trmanco: what distros. Novell *is* Linux. Mono is Linux is Linux is GNOME. Oct 07 20:11
schestowitz If they can make Mono more widespread, which is what they to achieve with sponsorship and a roadmap, they hope to have more control over it, for legal and technical reasons. Oct 07 20:12
schestowitz Mono is about Novell/Microsoft ‘Linux’ Oct 07 20:13
trmanco ok Oct 07 20:13
schestowitz trmanco: Carla never agreed with me on this one, e.g. in LXer. Oct 07 20:14
trmanco the article caught my attention on the first 2-3 paragraphs, but got uninteresting from then Oct 07 20:16
schestowitz I still haven’t ficed my Thunderbird issue… :-( http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker… Oct 07 20:17
trmanco oh great Oct 07 20:19
trmanco looks like I’m going to b stuck with TB 2 for another year or so :| Oct 07 20:19
schestowitz TB2 is good. Well… I just don’t understand why it disabled plugins at the same time as FF.. Oct 07 20:20
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Simp… Oct 07 20:20
trmanco can’t trust alexa Oct 07 20:20
schestowitz Alexa is Win/IE Oct 07 20:21
trmanco my website is growing in visits but my alexa rank for some reason is falling Oct 07 20:21
schestowitz I used to have A9, but Microsoft shut it dows. It did Alexa with Firefox Oct 07 20:21
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archiv… Oct 07 20:22
trmanco I use alexas extension so that I can have an idea of how popular the sites I visit are Oct 07 20:22
schestowitz Use Netcraft Oct 07 20:23
schestowitz schestowitz.com and BN are around 4000th; Groklaw around 1200th Oct 07 20:23
schestowitz Alexa is off the chart because it’s Win+IE+spyware Oct 07 20:24
schestowitz http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/05/24/fi… Oct 07 20:24
trmanco thanks Oct 07 20:25
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schestowitz Hi, jose__ Oct 07 20:26
jose__ hello Oct 07 20:26
jose__ check out the two links here: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph… Oct 07 20:27
jose__ each of them cover the value of having source code and mindshare created for Microsoft technologies.. Oct 07 20:28
jose__ for example, mono is not mentioned, but it makes Microsoft’s life much easier if we make FOSS with it. Oct 07 20:28
jose__ it’s one step of many to try and survive and/or bury/disembowel/neuter/etc Linux Oct 07 20:29
jose__ they need people, in particular us foss people that are somewhat unreachable.. Oct 07 20:30
jose__ to use dotnet, ooxml, etc. Oct 07 20:30
schestowitz Good comment Oct 07 20:30
jose__ yes Oct 07 20:30
schestowitz I need to sort out my Thunderbird. :-( It’s bothering me not to have some pluygins. Oct 07 20:31
jose__ roy, I had found some good lines, so I will post.. they will come from one or the other, I may not specify. Oct 07 20:42
schestowitz High five Oct 07 20:42
schestowitz It’s fixed now. Here’s the weird thng. Oct 07 20:42
schestowitz The new version of TB (I think) used process thunderbird, but I had thunderbird-bin running in the BG even after I restarted KDE!! (Weird, I know). Oct 07 20:43
jose__ high five Oct 07 20:43
schestowitz That blasting issue with FF and TB burned like 1.5 hours of my time today. :-( Oct 07 20:43
schestowitz Of course, mom and pop would just reboot the PC and solve this in 5 mins. :-( Oct 07 20:44
schestowitz It’s bad when you assume problems are more complicated than they really are. Oct 07 20:44
jose__ knowledge comes from strange places and can server you when you least expect it Oct 07 20:44
schestowitz Now I can read my encrypted E-mails to catch up (I didn’t have the extension temporarily) Oct 07 20:45
jose__ “The bad news is that NT is not going to go away, and the chances are you will have to come to grips with it in the not too distant future. “ Oct 07 20:45
jose__ note the inevitability theme Oct 07 20:45
schestowitz Source? Oct 07 20:45
jose__ “it’s not going to go away” Oct 07 20:45
jose__ the sunsite link from the comment link posted earlier Oct 07 20:45
jose__ http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunw… Oct 07 20:46
schestowitz “Better UNIX than UNIX”? Oct 07 20:46
schestowitz Vapourware classic. Oct 07 20:46
jose__ novell to world: Microsoft and dotnet are not going to go away Oct 07 20:46
jose__ it’s hard to resist getting familiar with something that is not going to go away.. you can’t get more career sure than “not going to go away” Oct 07 20:47
schestowitz http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/2008… (they seem like a nice company that helps many causes) Oct 07 20:47
jose__ whether it’s your third, fourth, or first option.. “not going to go away” means it has to be an option Oct 07 20:47
schestowitz Installfests in particular. Oct 07 20:48
schestowitz jose__: good point, I hear that a lot. Tell NOVL (down 10% today) that MSFT too is losing it (new 52-week low) Oct 07 20:48
schestowitz My concern is that boith FOSS and American blobs will get replaced by uber-s/w from the east. Oct 07 20:49
schestowitz The Chinese have some totally impressive office suites that we in the west hardly know at this point. And with the depression coming, there’s a shift of power, as much as I dread it. Oct 07 20:49
schestowitz More Microsoft in Novell’s management: ” Justin Steinman, erstwhile marketing director for Novell’s open-source business, just got an upgrade to vice president, Solution and Product Marketing at Novell;” http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10058696-16.html Oct 07 20:52
schestowitz I’m still yearning to find out who — if anyone — funded this thing: < http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-10060242-16.html > Oct 07 20:57
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/08/trust… Oct 07 20:57
schestowitz The MAFIAA is attacking USENET some more (not just the “child pron” excuse):  “Comcast is just the latest of the large ISPs to buckle under to MAFIAA pressure from the music and movie cartels, but that doesn’t mean that they deserve to get away with this.” http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new… Oct 07 20:59
jose__ what aspect of the matt asay arti grabs you? Oct 07 21:01
schestowitz BN references in Heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/ISO-Spezifikation… Oct 07 21:01
schestowitz *referenced Oct 07 21:01
schestowitz jose__: someone from a university sent this to me with concern that the study contains the message that community work does not work. Oct 07 21:01
jose__ that artic would attract “high caliber” developers to foss Oct 07 21:02
schestowitz They can use that to claim that corporations rule code. There’s also the implicit suggestion there which Asay parrots in his E-mails to me _DESPITE_ the fact that like 70% of the work of KDE is volunteer work! Oct 07 21:02
schestowitz It’s easy to write a thesis to just support a hypothesis that some company funds to support. It could go either way. Oct 07 21:03
jose__ it can helps add legitimacy to foss companies Oct 07 21:03
jose__ before wall street and investors Oct 07 21:03
schestowitz It also discourages non-commercial developers from joining. Oct 07 21:03
jose__ corps like to buy things, yes. that is why they pay. Oct 07 21:03
schestowitz jose__:  maybe so. I just heard different stories about it and told not to give exposure to this thesis. Oct 07 21:04
schestowitz jose__: Many corps will need to cut down spendings. Oct 07 21:04
jose__ an arti saying that community is a major part as well would too serve a purpose Oct 07 21:04
schestowitz SAP collapsed, Microsoft is falling and Novell… boy, is it falling today. Oct 07 21:04
jose__ i skipped that arti, btw. I actually expected a bit worse. Oct 07 21:04
schestowitz If this carries on, Novell becomes an acquisition target. Oct 07 21:05
jose__ which market are you looking at since nyse closed Oct 07 21:05
jose__ is the sap ticker sap? Oct 07 21:05
schestowitz Closed when? Minuted ago? Oct 07 21:05
schestowitz It fell yesterday, I think. Oct 07 21:05
schestowitz They won’t meet expectations. Microsoft will disappoint for the third quarter in a row. Oct 07 21:05
jose__ it closed 1 hour ago.. but after market lasts for 3 more Oct 07 21:06
schestowitz Microsoft reports on the 23rd, IIRC. Oct 07 21:06
schestowitz July and April were very bad. Profits fell in April and in July it fell 6% in one day. Oct 07 21:06
schestowitz My friend who predicated these problems thinks the US will go on another war to fuel its economy. Oct 07 21:07
schestowitz He thinks it’ll be iran. Oct 07 21:07
jose__ hopefully that is not set in stone Oct 07 21:07
jose__ there are other ways to recover Oct 07 21:08
schestowitz No, I don’t think it is. Oct 07 21:08
schestowitz He’s more of a politics buff, so I trust him on some stuff. Oct 07 21:08
jose__ the war worked because the gov got tough with private citizens and forced certain things.. Oct 07 21:08
jose__ no one likes to be forced. war makes it easier Oct 07 21:08
jose__ i’m thinking of wwII Oct 07 21:08
schestowitz Yes, that too. Oct 07 21:08
jose__ there of course, there was most certainly events going on Oct 07 21:09
schestowitz Inflation was battled when the Germans went to war, or so I’m told.. Oct 07 21:09
schestowitz Which is why the depression scares me a bit. McCain is not to be trusted. Oct 07 21:09
schestowitz The Republicans + Cronies accumulated wealth for 8 years and now they exhaust the toxic fuel. Oct 07 21:10
jose__ hyperinflation.. basically difficulties at home make it easier to do things like improve your army and image and beat up others..especially if you have leaders and some history that blames others for the problems you are experiencing Oct 07 21:10
schestowitz jose__: they already blame the Dems for the depression. Yes, they blame Clinton. *rolls eyes* Oct 07 21:11
schestowitz Back to Bush senior, all you have is a war to defend oil in the gulf. War, war, war. Oct 07 21:11
jose__ oil is a big issue Oct 07 21:11
jose__ we will pay one way or other for ignoring our responsibility to seek alt energy sources Oct 07 21:12
schestowitz SAP says it is hurting: http://feeds.theinquirer.net/c/554/f/7127/s…  “Get out zer punzers!” Oct 07 21:12
jose__ during times of plenty and peach Oct 07 21:12
jose__ peace Oct 07 21:12
jose__ companies cookie jar account.. and then conveniently have a major financial turmoil to let them off the hook.. these people sync up. Oct 07 21:13
jose__ jack jack jack up and then release Oct 07 21:14
schestowitz http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-95… “The company from Redmond is heavily investing in the ISO SC34 committee. Thanks to a brazilian blogger who manage to shed some light on what was going on in there, we hear now that Microsoft Korea was paying for dinner. “ Oct 07 21:15
jose__ sync up .. i mean that they see which way the wind is really blowing and sync for maximum bang and bust along with others.. of course, the economy is interdependent so if you don’t sync, you miss out on opportunities Oct 07 21:15
schestowitz Free as in free lunch. Oct 07 21:15
jose__ lot’s at stake here for Microsoft Oct 07 21:16
jose__ Novell conveniently pushing ooxml Oct 07 21:16
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schestowitz The Microsoft “hAl” shill tries to encourage attacks against me: http://www.adjb.net/post/Poetry-… Oct 07 21:20
schestowitz Still that bunch of Microsoft cronies grouping together hoping to share Microsoft revenue and have no shame about endorsing bribery, sabotage, and so forth,. Oct 07 21:20
schestowitz jose__: Novell needs to keep Microsoft happy in order to received a lifeline. Oct 07 21:21
schestowitz Unlike Red Hat, it maintains its ‘fat supply’ from stuff like Netware, which is dying. So it can’t swap proprietary with FOSS fast enough. Oct 07 21:22
zoobab hAl is back Oct 07 21:24
jose__ the other day i was thinking that they don’t want to swap proprietary out. Oct 07 21:24
schestowitz zoobab: yes, watch them go “come on! Sue, sue” Oct 07 21:24
schestowitz He was probably behind the attacks on IBM employees. Oct 07 21:24
zoobab the only way to get rid of Microsoft is patents Oct 07 21:24
jose__ by dominating linux from commercial pov, they can make it inferior to the real platform.. netware for example Oct 07 21:24
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&… Oct 07 21:24
schestowitz Always beware the Microsoft Mafia(R) Oct 07 21:24
schestowitz They smell money and like  bunch of hyena they’ll eat everything that stands in their way Oct 07 21:25
schestowitz *hyenas Oct 07 21:25
jose__ linux will have weak ms dotnet and netware dotnet compat for example. Oct 07 21:26
jose__ that line would work if dotnet was widespread and looked upon favorably Oct 07 21:26
jose__ without mono, it’s hard to get to that step .. at least as concerns linux Oct 07 21:27
jose__ they won’t encourage linux driver development the way they would for netware Oct 07 21:27
schestowitz I’m not sure Netware dies so fast, but the recession might change this (stimulate the abandonment rates). Oct 07 21:28
schestowitz I haven’t caught up with Novell news _in days_… like 6. Oct 07 21:29
jose__ well, that was a theory. by embracing linux they move in that direction. Oct 07 21:29
jose__ however Oct 07 21:29
jose__ the real proprietary big boy is microsoft and their platforms Oct 07 21:29
jose__ i don’t think netware and novell will hold up.. Oct 07 21:29
jose__ they might get a little itsy pie crumb like others microsoft keeps around Oct 07 21:30
jose__ by embracing linux they hedge in a number of ways.. but they won’t prefer foss if they can help it Oct 07 21:30
jose__ that was my point Oct 07 21:30
schestowitz jose__: they make a mistake by neglecting the desktop Oct 07 21:30
schestowitz They stepped aside, some say, because they need to be nice to Microsoft. Oct 07 21:31
schestowitz How does not compete with a friend? Mind you, Microsoft looks down at Novell. It’s like the friend that only does Microsoft’s homework (bully analogy) Oct 07 21:31
jose__ microsoft is not foolish.. if they pay the big bucks, they call the strategic shots Oct 07 21:31
schestowitz Yes, and that’s what has been happening. Oct 07 21:32
schestowitz Novell invests a lot in .NET Oct 07 21:32
jose__ huckspian doesn’t care.. another dollar is another day of salary Oct 07 21:32
zoobab did you know that Marshall Phelps was fired as an employee because he did not managed to get RH as a licensee? Oct 07 21:32
schestowitz A Novell executive (Masie)  that buying Ximian was getting a “Red carpet” Oct 07 21:32
zoobab I think he works as an independent right now for MS Oct 07 21:32
schestowitz Microsoft assimilation is not the route to profit though. Oct 07 21:33
schestowitz zoobab: probably. I found details about him. Oct 07 21:33
schestowitz Did you see this in any of the pages yet? I’ve already figured out who that is. Oct 07 21:33
jose__ the mindset is to push those under you to commit the deeds Oct 07 21:33
schestowitz Marshall was at IBM, then Microsoft, right? Oct 07 21:33
schestowitz Was he fired? Oct 07 21:33
jose__ get the job done and get well fed.. else, you sleep in the barn Oct 07 21:34
schestowitz zoobab: got a source for this? Very IMPORTANT. Oct 07 21:34
zoobab someone at RH told me Oct 07 21:34
zoobab I can ask for more infos Oct 07 21:34
schestowitz zoobab: was he fired from MS? Oct 07 21:34
zoobab at least as an employee Oct 07 21:34
schestowitz I have some quotes where he talks about gates’ obsession with patents. Oct 07 21:34
schestowitz Which has me thinking of Myhrvold and other trolls. Oct 07 21:34
zoobab I should get the isl3893 distribution to request a licence Oct 07 21:35
zoobab license Oct 07 21:35
schestowitz Smith and the guy with a Latin surname are both the IP bullies /inside/ MS now. Oct 07 21:35
schestowitz They resort to extortion (like the knee cap routine) to fetch money secretly from top companies. Oct 07 21:35
zoobab I am still waiting for my FRAND license to distribute OOXML implenentations Oct 07 21:35
schestowitz No reply, eh/ Oct 07 21:36
schestowitz ? Oct 07 21:36
zoobab if you really want to scare Microsoft, you have to build a troll Oct 07 21:36
schestowitz Anyway, about Phelps, that’s interesting and I will blog it. Oct 07 21:36
zoobab and go for Windows/Office removel Oct 07 21:36
zoobab removal Oct 07 21:36
schestowitz “Trolls4Hire” Oct 07 21:36
schestowitz zoobab: when was he fired? Oct 07 21:37
jose__ zoobab:microsoft doesn’t scare easily against opponents looking for money Oct 07 21:37
zoobab don’t know Oct 07 21:37
zoobab I will ask for more details Oct 07 21:37
schestowitz Red Hat had some discussions in 2005/6 (Red Hat’s previous CEO said so) Oct 07 21:37
zoobab some patent trolls don’t go after money Oct 07 21:37
schestowitz Later on, in 2007, they talked about codecs and Red hat left the table Oct 07 21:37
jose__ gotta put that in the hiring ad Oct 07 21:37
jose__ “will not sell out for any amount of money or power promised” Oct 07 21:38
schestowitz But you can’t fight a bully with a bully, can you? Oct 07 21:38
zoobab proxytrolls can go for product removal, which is more interesting Oct 07 21:38
jose__ they might team up.. in other words Oct 07 21:38
schestowitz twitter has already pulled a nasty one with nyms  in order to fight shills nyms in /. Oct 07 21:38
jose__ we would need patent trolls with an itch to scratch (ie, a score to settle)… lol Oct 07 21:39
schestowitz Avistar? Oct 07 21:40
schestowitz It’s not a troll, but it could become one. Oct 07 21:40
jose__ patenting is such a waste of time and energy if you aren’t in it for oodles of money.. maybe some itch to get patents Oct 07 21:40
schestowitz Some people just sell their patents (to trolls) Oct 07 21:40
schestowitz It’s a system of system abuse. Oct 07 21:40
jose__ if they itch for the recognition or whatever.. ms will offer them something Oct 07 21:41
schestowitz Created by the crooked, subverted by the crooked for the crooked. Oct 07 21:41
schestowitz There was another patent collapse I hear… many years ago. Oct 07 21:41
jose__ principles is what MS can’t convincingly offer anyone Oct 07 21:41
schestowitz People got too greedy and ‘patents’ got too broad in terms of scope. Oct 07 21:41
schestowitz Nowadays, even poetry or lyrical things can be patented in some places. Oct 07 21:41
jose__ you’ve read the sci-fi arti about the copyright problem of the future where virtually every useful line is copyrighted? Oct 07 21:42
jose__ where about 50% of people are artists Oct 07 21:42
jose__ i think there was an assassination or attempt as part of the plot Oct 07 21:43
jose__ some congressperson needed to get some bill changed or passed Oct 07 21:43
jose__ pretty interesting.. shows where disney and others might get us to eventually Oct 07 21:43
trmanco http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente… Oct 07 21:44
jose__ don’t have a link, title, or author Oct 07 21:44
schestowitz “Not yet…” Oct 07 21:45
schestowitz Some people say their ISPs offer no access. Oct 07 21:45
schestowitz They just wants the ‘news’ like Faux to remain. Oct 07 21:45
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schestowitz Can’t let ‘the people’ talk to one another. Net neutrality is another tool for the task, where tiering punishes the poor. Oct 07 21:45
trmanco http://osnews.com/story/20362/Canonical_Co… Oct 07 21:48
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jose__ comments on Linuxtoday question the value of the numbers.. does someone know what 4x means Oct 07 21:53
jose__ 4x of what Oct 07 21:53
jose__ this number might be small and negligible Oct 07 21:53
trmanco yes Oct 07 21:54
jose__ some mentioned that this company and ms had something going.. xp and linux were not sold the same Oct 07 21:55
jose__ “higher than average rate of return” as canonical says can be 1.3 not 4 Oct 07 21:55
jose__ another point brought up was that linux people remove windows while windows people panic Oct 07 21:56
jose__ of course, if the sample is small enough, your buddies can help spoil linux’ numbers ..or vice-versa though the big money tends to be with the ms side Oct 07 21:56
jose__ in any case, vendors care about these numbers for now because of extra costs.. at least if the numbers are much worse and sales are similar Oct 07 21:57
jose__ good thing is that linux seems to be selling more so a higher rate of return can actually be cheaper Oct 07 21:57
jose__ for the vendor Oct 07 21:57
jose__ ie, a higher rate of return for linux can still end up a better deal for the vendors because overhead costs might be met and not with windows Oct 07 21:58
schestowitz They need to just present these units properly. Oct 07 21:59
schestowitz People were made to think that computer=Windows. Oct 07 21:59
jose__ but it won’t make it into get-the-facts Oct 07 21:59
jose__ if they are transparent Oct 07 21:59
schestowitz Why do you think Microsoft is dumping ‘free’ (gratis) software in schools and developing countries? Oct 07 21:59
schestowitz Bill Gates: “They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” Oct 07 21:59
jose__ oh, before i forget.. another comment mentioned that ms is subsidizing 150% windows costs in some cases Oct 07 22:00
jose__ the problem ms has is that they can’t kill volunteer linux.. the pressure for them to give subsidies (legal or illegal) simply grows over time Oct 07 22:01
schestowitz jose__: yes, they are dumping. Oct 07 22:02
schestowitz That’s why the EC was asked to get involved. Oct 07 22:02
schestowitz jose__: they rely on addiction  now (‘pumping’), not profit. Far fewer people than you think pay for Windows and Office. Oct 07 22:02
jose__ to me mono is the attempt at that addiction but for the developers not users.. it’s effective and it’s independent of the patent thing and still very important Oct 07 22:03
schestowitz zoobab: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008… Oct 07 22:06
schestowitz “To put it in perspective, the US SC34 shadow committee currently has around 20 members. Before Microsoft stuffed it we had around 7. Regardless, the US SC34 mirror committee typically sends a delegation of 2 or 3 people to international meetings.” Oct 07 22:06
schestowitz SC34 =  Microsoft-stuffed gang of hyenas. Oct 07 22:07
jose__ “As applied here, the antitrust laws prohibit a monopolist from using its monopoly power in one market as a lever to gain a monopoly in a second market. The violation consists of creating a Trojan Horse by marketing the WISE program as the guarantee of an open standard for ISVs, and then hobbling that horse to assure that ISVs who accepted the invitation to ‘innovate’ using the Win32 APIs would not be able to run their programs on Oct 07 22:07
jose__ Unix servers. Microsoft achieved this by restricting WISE licensees to an ‘apple core,’ and specifically by excluding technology necessary to support server applications.” Bristol, with the aid of Microsoft’s internal emails, made it clear that all this happened, but failed to convince the jury it was illegal. Bristol now, with justification, argues that Microsoft did engage in anticompetitive activities (despite Microsoft’s triump Oct 07 22:07
jose__ hant claims of vindication). But what, in light of the verdict, can the remedy be? Oct 07 22:07
jose__ from http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/0… Oct 07 22:07
jose__ use dotnet api guys.. it will serve you on linux and on windows.. windows is inevitable, btw Oct 07 22:09
schestowitz Well… that’s a drop in a big pool: to me mono is the attempt at that addiction but for the developers not users.. it’s effective and it’s independent of the patent thing and still very important Oct 07 22:09
schestowitz Oops. Oct 07 22:09
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.p… <  Microsoft Litigation Oct 07 22:09
jose__ ooops is right :) Oct 07 22:09
schestowitz That’s what Novell says (about Windows) Oct 07 22:10
schestowitz They believe in co-existence while they go out of existence (Novell’s market cap falls like a rock) Oct 07 22:10
schestowitz Remember this one from BeOS founder… (let me find it) Oct 07 22:10
schestowitz “I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense — I deserve it.” –Be’s CEO Jean-Louis Gassée Oct 07 22:11
schestowitz http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/ Oct 07 22:11
schestowitz And here’s post-Messman Novell:  http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo… Oct 07 22:12
jose__ a major difference here is we are open source.. however, only means so much. we have strengths and weaknesses. Oct 07 22:13
jose__ we have stamina but less leverage in some ways.. eg for embracing and extending.. however, making it easy for ms by porting or using dotnet is no help. Oct 07 22:17
schestowitz There needs to be more s/w policing. Oct 07 22:19
schestowitz Case of point (earlier today): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/… Oct 07 22:19
schestowitz We rely two much on a commission in one continent to police behaviour and punish for abuse. Oct 07 22:20
schestowitz There’s no software policing and as I’ve shown before, the US DoJ seems corrupt too. Microsoft put some insiders there a decade ago, or so I hear and also see. Oct 07 22:20
zoobab The bush administration stopped the antitrust in the US Oct 07 22:21
schestowitz Until the US DoJ can tame its own animals, it would be sensible for other countries to simply embargo the violative companies… Oct 07 22:21
zoobab someone confirmed it in a recent meeting Oct 07 22:21
schestowitz If you want to see how corrupot DoJ is, see: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/23/… Oct 07 22:21
schestowitz Professor Lessig seems to agree on these things: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/netroots_n… Oct 07 22:22
schestowitz zoobab: it’s war and digital imperialism. All or nothing… Oct 07 22:22
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Oct 07 22:23
schestowitz I’m pointing to a comment, but the post too can be an explanation for the collapse of the stock market. The SEC just ‘settled’ with Microsoft, confirming that Microsoft violated some rules. Microsoft paid loads of money to shut up people who said the truth. Oct 07 22:24
zoobab Managing the Amortization of a Loan – U.S. Patent No. 5,878,404 Oct 07 22:26
zoobab titled “System and Method for Managing the Amortization of a Loan” issued to Oct 07 22:26
zoobab Stout et al. on March 2, 1999 and assigned to Mechanics Savings Bank. Oct 07 22:26
zoobab I think it should play a role in the current financial crisi Oct 07 22:26
zoobab crisis Oct 07 22:26
zoobab http://www.siia.net/software/we… Oct 07 22:26
schestowitz BM pat? Oct 07 22:27
zoobab it is a BM Oct 07 22:32
zoobab I am gonna dig into the EPO database for a while Oct 07 22:32
schestowitz I read DM now. http://www.multichannel.com/article… Oct 07 22:32
zoobab trying to gain some press coverage to ruin the EPO image Oct 07 22:32
schestowitz I suppose it catches all the swpatents news. It’s not my focus, but it’s getting impossible to escape; Oct 07 22:32
zoobab Swpat is a system for loosers Oct 07 22:33
schestowitz It’s not being discussed in USENET too, so there’s more pressure for change. Oct 07 22:33
zoobab in order to make loosers win Oct 07 22:33
zoobab :-) Oct 07 22:33
schestowitz Did you see Amazon’s latest? Oct 07 22:33
zoobab no Oct 07 22:33
schestowitz I blogged it earlier. Oct 07 22:33
zoobab url? Oct 07 22:33
zoobab I am lost in all of your posts Oct 07 22:34
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/06/… Oct 07 22:34
schestowitz Lots of good news for Red Hat this week, despite the recession. Oct 07 22:35
schestowitz For Microsoft, there’s little good news at all. The same goes for most companies (layoffs, delays, bankruptcies). Oct 07 22:35
*trmanco has quit (“I just hit the close button :)”) Oct 07 22:36
schestowitz You should read http://www.linuxdevices.com/ . Good site for the stuff that matter. Linux is huge in embedded. Oct 07 22:37
zoobab of course it is Oct 07 22:37
zoobab but it is also a huge mess Oct 07 22:37
zoobab all SDKs are different Oct 07 22:37
zoobab horrible patches coming from Chinese and Taiwanese devs Oct 07 22:38
zoobab binary blobs Oct 07 22:38
zoobab and so on Oct 07 22:38
zoobab I am a fan of OpenWRT, trying to boot it on my laptop Oct 07 22:38
schestowitz Some devices are open Oct 07 22:39
zoobab none of them Oct 07 22:39
schestowitz “open” as as “free” (libre) Oct 07 22:39
schestowitz OpenMoko…? Oct 07 22:39
zoobab I should work on a webgui for compiling openwrt Oct 07 22:39
schestowitz webgui… any wspats on that one? Oct 07 22:39
schestowitz *swpats . It’s a maze out there Oct 07 22:40
zoobab ajax is even patented Oct 07 22:40
schestowitz I can imagine. But as long as you have no money, you’re safe. Oct 07 22:40
zoobab the cool thing is that with time, stupid litigation will explode Oct 07 22:40
schestowitz In case you make some money, you lose it to trolls. Oct 07 22:40
schestowitz China… let me find something. Oct 07 22:40
zoobab threats letters are cheap Oct 07 22:40
schestowitz Was in Updegrove’s site before… Oct 07 22:40
zoobab http://libdca.wikidot.com/ Oct 07 22:41
schestowitz Can’t find it, but this one picked long the way: http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_economist… Oct 07 22:42
schestowitz The Original Patent Troll : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGoZFzHkhs Oct 07 22:43
schestowitz This recent one is funny: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_pKT8ao6x6o Oct 07 22:43
schestowitz *LOL* ‘inventor’: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5VF3ecXPw Oct 07 22:43
schestowitz When $700 billion is not enough: http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/7/51137 Oct 07 22:46
schestowitz Heh. Glyn Moody defends me here: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbo… (didn’t even realise until now..) Oct 07 22:50
zoobab NoOOXML should write an open letter to ISO Oct 07 22:57
zoobab asking them if they reserve the right to sue you :-) Oct 07 22:57
schestowitz It should, if possible. Oct 07 22:57
schestowitz *make a letter. Oct 07 22:57
zoobab just to have a statement back from their side would make a nice PR Oct 07 22:57
schestowitz Vague threats are a gagging tactic and I have many more beans to spill. Oct 07 22:58
schestowitz No answer = ISO still secretive. Oct 07 22:58
schestowitz I took it off all the mirror, but some people I don’t know turned it into torrents, I think. Besides, other people passed it around before I did. Oct 07 22:59
schestowitz http://www.bloomberg.com/ap… … Hardware goes where /real/ wealth is: “AMD Advances 8.5% After Investment From Abu Dhabi [...] Advanced Micro Devices Inc., the chipmaker struggling to take on Intel Corp., rose 8.5 percent after deciding to spin off some plants, part of an investment of up to $8.4 billion from the Abu Dhabi government.” Oct 07 23:03
tessier_ I hope AMD survives and prospers. Intel really needs the competition. Oct 07 23:08
schestowitz Intel does servers and desktops mainly, but it’s trying to expand (also GPUs). They still have competition in the mobile space and there’s IBM with its chips. Oct 07 23:10
schestowitz jose__: see the scale of this powwow: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st… Oct 07 23:17
jose__ i passed on commenting but there were many fewer comments then Oct 07 23:21
schestowitz I’ll get around to doing a post about Mono later (also on Saturday) Oct 07 23:21
jose__ “many fewer comments” i don’t think that’s quite correct lol Oct 07 23:21
schestowitz It’s getting tedious, but the Microsoft ‘fluff’ (Slashdot, Krill, other mouthpieces) confuses people. Oct 07 23:22
schestowitz It’s not a lion, it’s just a ‘cuddly cat’. Come closer to it. Oct 07 23:22
MinceR gn Oct 07 23:27
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news… “Thanks for the valuable gift of .Net on linux. Linux/BSD users will enjoy it as much as the residents of Troy enjoyed their gift horse.” Oct 07 23:29
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schestowitz NetApp faces Sun lawsuit loss : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… Oct 07 23:49
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