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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 9th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:29 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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jose__ nevermind my mistake Oct 09 00:00
schestowitz This works: http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/busi… Oct 09 00:00
schestowitz Microsoft’s new tack: Bribery as a business model : http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-994928… Oct 09 00:00
jose__ i had garbage on the clipboard because of something i did Oct 09 00:00
schestowitz Is Microsoft spamming websites to boost its numbers? : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9… Oct 09 00:00
schestowitz Microsoft funding bankrupt Live Search experiment with porn spam : http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/microsoft-live-sea… Oct 09 00:00
schestowitz Microsoft’s Club Live fiasco: http://www.blogthe.net/2007/07… Oct 09 00:00
schestowitz Bots Helped To Boost Microsoft Live Search Gains : http://www.informationweek.com/news/s… Oct 09 00:01
jose__ the clublive fiasco gave me an error Oct 09 00:03
jose__ microsoft’s antics discredit any value advertizers might have found in their searches Oct 09 00:05
jose__ searches -> search stats Oct 09 00:05
jose__ actually, paying someone to do something else can be legit.. for example this may lead to genuine new sales Oct 09 00:06
jose__ but gimmicks that obviously would be gamed by the players destroys brand value Oct 09 00:07
schestowitz Can’t get much worse, can it? Oct 09 00:10
schestowitz So much dross in the feeds today. Oct 09 00:10
schestowitz Leading to fatigue and boredom. If only there was a ‘magic’ feed that culls out the garbage. Oct 09 00:10
schestowitz http://www.heise.de/englis… Oct 09 00:14
jose__ i’m thinking.. those companies that don’t institute buybacks and time those properly (and maybe even go into debt) might end up being washed down the drain and bought out later on for cheap by one of those that survived Oct 09 00:15
schestowitz Oligarchy. Oct 09 00:15
jose__ i remember looking and seeing that proprietary oracle had a high market cap so they might want to buy foss assets Oct 09 00:16
schestowitz They already have. Oct 09 00:17
jose__ i’m thinking that novell and redhat could become likely candidates if they aren’t careful Oct 09 00:18
jose__ the consolidating will allow a few to hold ground and gain value while others get wiped out for those holding shares Oct 09 00:18
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/22/… Oct 09 00:19
jose__ sun is about 1/100th of their size at their peak Oct 09 00:19
jose__ haven’t checked ibm but i think they have held Oct 09 00:19
schestowitz Yes, they have. Oct 09 00:19
jose__ the big names and the dow jones have likely held in most cases Oct 09 00:19
schestowitz Microsoft Jack cheerleading win32, as usual: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blo…s Oct 09 00:24
jose__ i don’t think aapl will hold but could only guess.. they may have already had their run at the top (like sun did). they cater to high paying customers and are pressured by too many competitors at the lower end Oct 09 00:26
jose__ people love apple and that will hurt them chances are. Oct 09 00:26
jose__ to pull off the effect, steve j might retire after all.. “for health reasons” Oct 09 00:27
jose__ but this wouldn’t be announced until the price was lower or else too many would sell out at once Oct 09 00:28
jose__ whatever.. i just throw things out there Oct 09 00:28
schestowitz Did you see what Wox say Oct 09 00:29
jose__ without having insider access and/or lots of money i can only guess Oct 09 00:29
jose__ no Oct 09 00:29
schestowitz Woz… about the cash cow? Oct 09 00:29
jose__ ipods? Oct 09 00:29
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… Oct 09 00:29
schestowitz “As far as the fanboys are concerned, Woz speaks heresy when he compares the Iphone SDK limitations to Google’s Android. He said that punters were not getting all they want when companies are proprietary and lock their products down. He said he would like to write some more powerful apps for the Iphone than you’re allowed.” Oct 09 00:30
jose__ dropping the price slow (when news is not clear) means that many share in the drop instead of just the same group Oct 09 00:30
jose__ those are some fresh stinging words from people near the top Oct 09 00:32
jose__ goodbye apple brand Oct 09 00:32
jose__ the 3g iphone prob thing (??) may not have been that accidental Oct 09 00:32
jose__ business cycle and apple not destined to remain at the top Oct 09 00:32
jose__ it may have been prematurely introduced .. this hurts the brand Oct 09 00:33
jose__ your link is very recent (that’s what I mean by fresh words).. stinging because of whose thoughts they represent Oct 09 00:33
jose__ here is the quote exactly: Oct 09 00:34
jose__ Woz also said that both Steve Jobs and him hated Apple fanboys who are too stupid to question anything the company does and defend its failures. Oct 09 00:34
jose__ “” Oct 09 00:34
jose__ ouch Oct 09 00:34
jose__ conveniently shorting is not allowed in times like this.. if you didn’t make your money already, you have to wait for the next train sometime in the future Oct 09 00:35
jose__ shorting: us market laws.. not sure about the uk Oct 09 00:35
jose__ sorry, I am writing so badly. if you don’t understand something i typed, ask. Oct 09 00:37
jose__ I’m sorry that I am writing so badly. .. lol, i’m tired. I’m not an english teacher, etc. especially not on irc Oct 09 00:38
schestowitz You qrite fast Oct 09 00:38
schestowitz That’s good Oct 09 00:38
schestowitz Yes you let slip less typos then me Oct 09 00:38
schestowitz than Oct 09 00:38
schestowitz I’m also easting ATM, which is why I don’t respond Oct 09 00:39
schestowitz *eating Oct 09 00:39
jose__ stop trying to write so horribly on purpose. I don’t ask for sympathy. :-P Oct 09 00:39
jose__ i misuse the grammar.. ignorance is bliss. Oct 09 00:40
schestowitz 5 days : http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-…   No reply (post) from Sutor Oct 09 00:42
schestowitz IBM just hardly says a thing, Weir being the exception, I guess. Oct 09 00:42
jose__ are you talking about the comment above yours about federated virtual worlds and some company? Oct 09 00:43
schestowitz No, just the links Oct 09 00:44
schestowitz Oh wait Oct 09 00:45
schestowitz DId he remove the link?? Oct 09 00:45
schestowitz It pointed to Heise about Microsoft hijacked ODF. Oct 09 00:45
schestowitz Maybe I just forgot the link Oct 09 00:45
jose__ maybe Oct 09 00:49
schestowitz It’s possible cause I dropped it there (OT) in a rush Oct 09 00:49
schestowitz Passer-by comments. Oct 09 00:50
schestowitz heise really covered that discussion you had about leap year:  http://www.heise.de/english/newstic… Oct 09 00:50
jose__ you posted that already a little while ago.. i haven’t finished it.. i did notice it mentioned the date thing Oct 09 00:52
schestowitz This one seems fishy: they do Web polls: http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/rss/sho… Oct 09 00:55
schestowitz Microsoft is notorious having caught gaming these. Oct 09 00:55
schestowitz Windows Outstuffs Linux in Poll http://web.archive.org/web/20010204214800/… Oct 09 00:55
schestowitz “Linux users are accusing the Microsoft-affiliated news site of tampering with  the results of an online poll. They believe that the numbers were altered to ensure that a Microsoft-made system was chosen as the winner.” Oct 09 00:55
schestowitz .Net vote rigging illustrates importance of Web services http://web.archive.org/web/2003020709333… Oct 09 00:56
schestowitz “ZDNet UK logs reveal rather obvious vote rigging, and prove that it originated from within Microsoft:” Oct 09 00:56
jose__ well they were forward enough to mention that it was a self-selecting poll Oct 09 00:57
jose__ ..the eetimes link Oct 09 00:57
schestowitz Yes. Oct 09 00:58
schestowitz http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3856… Oct 09 00:59
schestowitz “The survey was conducted as a “straw poll,” with a self-selecting audience, cautions EE Times Europe, which did not reveal the number of respondents in the poll. The poll was conducted as a single-question survey on the website’s front page. Presumably, the readers were primarily located in Europe.” Oct 09 00:59
schestowitz “In April, meanwhile, VDC released results from its annual survey of embedded engineers and found that Linux once again reigned as the leading embedded OS. The study reported that 18 percent of respondents were using embedded Linux, up from 15.5 percent back in 2004.” Oct 09 00:59
schestowitz The question is: 1) was it gamed? 2) who by? Oct 09 01:00
jose__ “Reichard also notes that at some point during the poll Linux “magically” lost votes. “At one point Linux had 37 percent of 37,000, which works out to just over 14,000 votes. But when the voting reached 205,000, the poll showed Linux had 6 percent, which is only about 12,000 votes.”” Oct 09 01:00
jose__ practice for ooxml Oct 09 01:00
schestowitz *LOL* Oct 09 01:00
schestowitz Classic Oct 09 01:00
jose__ linux 1% Oct 09 01:02
jose__ iis gaining on apache significantly Oct 09 01:02
jose__ practice for the florida, us elections Oct 09 01:03
schestowitz jose__: Microsoft’bribes’ hosts for parked domains (cheap tweaking) Oct 09 01:04
schestowitz Apache has beaten IIS for several  months now. Oct 09 01:04
jose__ yeah, i know about that Oct 09 01:04
schestowitz http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/09/… Oct 09 01:05
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/1515… Oct 09 01:05
schestowitz “Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux,” he said. “How  are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don’t like it. … We have some  work to do.” Oct 09 01:05
jose__ eventually they will have to pick between buying stock from bg or paying godaddy Oct 09 01:06
schestowitz Open Source Fights Back  http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=15108  “Perens: Not the first. It’s part of a continuing behavior pattern by Oct 09 01:06
schestowitz | Microsoft that I think it’s fair to call “dirty fighting.” GoDaddy was using Apache (I assume on Linux) because it was a great technical solution. They didn’t switch to IIS on Windows Server 2003 for any technical reason. The switch was accompanied by a press release by  GoDaddy, containing Microsoft promotional language. Oct 09 01:06
schestowitz Corruption as a Business Mofel (CaBM) Oct 09 01:06
jose__ Mofel –> Model Oct 09 01:07
jose__ or Mafia Oct 09 01:07
jose__ freudian slip? Oct 09 01:07
jose__ perens was hosting parked domains.. not sure if he still is.. as quasi publicity stunt and to help linux out Oct 09 01:07
jose__ to make up for godaddy and similar deals Oct 09 01:08
jose__ with ms Oct 09 01:08
jose__ microsoft may have made money from apple stock.. and they may even end up buying pieces of them.. Oct 09 01:09
jose__ yes, i am doing the obituary a bit prematurely i know Oct 09 01:09
jose__ ms icrap Oct 09 01:10
schestowitz They get their money’s worth… OOXML, fonts, Office tax (monopoly, monoculture)… Oct 09 01:10
schestowitz Apple is still a b*tch of Microsoft, but Apple ‘fanboy’ loathe and deny the thought. Oct 09 01:11
schestowitz Same with SUSE fans, who fail to realise that Novell is now a spouse of Microsoft. Oct 09 01:11
jose__ foss as the entre to the lock-in “higher quality” product Oct 09 01:12
jose__ entree Oct 09 01:12
jose__ the owner of the copyrights gets advantage Oct 09 01:13
jose__ help suse and you help novell but this might equate to microsoft.. Oct 09 01:13
jose__ then again maybe not. Oct 09 01:13
jose__ ibm has some holdings in novell right Oct 09 01:13
jose__ novell likely wants to sell proprietary licenses. Oct 09 01:14
schestowitz Yes Oct 09 01:14
schestowitz IBM is there too Oct 09 01:14
jose__ but being ms bqtch means guess who may get first dibs or good pricing Oct 09 01:14
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/22/novell… Oct 09 01:14
schestowitz Novell is better for Microsoft when it appears independent. Oct 09 01:15
schestowitz It can spread the Mono  bomb to more distros that don’t realise it’s from Mcirosoft really. Oct 09 01:15
jose__ i agree with the independent bit Oct 09 01:19
jose__ if there is a serious tanking of stock valuations.. Oct 09 01:19
schestowitz Watch mobo cslammed in the comments here: Oct 09 01:19
jose__ this brave new world of the internet supported openness (foss playing a large role).. Oct 09 01:20
jose__ will mean a certain amount of rebuilding Oct 09 01:20
schestowitz “mono slammed”… http://www.linux.com/feature/149903   And how the author defends it. No surpirse, knowing Bruce’s biases Oct 09 01:20
jose__ as for independent novell.. Oct 09 01:20
schestowitz There is no independent Novell Oct 09 01:20
jose__ the money ms pays them would do nicely to support novl as you stated.. to ride out the storm Oct 09 01:21
schestowitz It’s too dependent on Microsoft since last year Oct 09 01:21
schestowitz Novell is like some hooker Microsoft is pimping to give everyone in tow AIDS. Oct 09 01:21
jose__ as for the tanking of stocks.. just wait.. imagine a second announcement (usa) that the 700 was not enough.. Oct 09 01:21
schestowitz *town Oct 09 01:21
jose__ it doesn’t look like enough to me, but i don’t know exactly what it is doing or the size of numbers involved Oct 09 01:22
schestowitz Well, if they live under the illusion/bubble that 10 trillion in debt is OK, then maybe a 7 trillion bailout would seem realistic, too. Oct 09 01:22
schestowitz Just have Americans who can’t afford it sell spare organs to China or something *sigh* Oct 09 01:22
schestowitz See what fraud and corruption has wrought? Oct 09 01:23
jose__ an ms holds the cure for aids Oct 09 01:23
schestowitz Patents! More patents! Penhouses. Smoking, junk food, vacation, high emissions, SUVs… Oct 09 01:23
schestowitz *Penthouses Oct 09 01:23
schestowitz Well, not really, jose Oct 09 01:24
schestowitz Au contraire. Oct 09 01:24
schestowitz http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/sc… Oct 09 01:24
schestowitz “The chief of malaria for the World Health Organization has complained that the growing dominance of malaria research by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation risks stifling a diversity of views among scientists and wiping out the world health agency’s policy-making function” Oct 09 01:24
schestowitz Born a monopolist with a golden spoon in his mouth… now playing the game of robber barons *steal & glory) Oct 09 01:25
jose__ that’s a “nice” quote about the b&m foundation Oct 09 01:25
twitter that link shows the US is already up to ACTA type shit and has the border control into a federal copyright cop.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/214021 Oct 09 01:26
*moparx has quit (“leaving”) Oct 09 01:26
jose__ i wonder the details of the plan he and buffett are likely cooking up through the charities.. besides funding private orgs.. and I guess monopolizing research/patents Oct 09 01:26
schestowitz Evadinf tax too Oct 09 01:27
schestowitz The  ‘ordinary people’ will be fed by Gates’ press the idea that it’s just a charity Oct 09 01:28
schestowitz Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation- Truth Revealed Oct 09 01:28
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttq0IdULfjg Oct 09 01:28
schestowitz Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation- Truth Revealed Part 2 Oct 09 01:28
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVlnqnMHQ1c Oct 09 01:28
schestowitz http://biz.yahoo.com/indie/071126/1004_id.html?.v=1 “The foundation made moves in other sectors during Q3, as well, adding shares  in Caterpillar and Canadian National Railway, while maintaining  stakes in energy giants Exxon Mobil and BP. “ Oct 09 01:28
schestowitz Charity… for oil companies that kill Nigerian children through bad production of cheap oil for snobs in the west Oct 09 01:29
schestowitz Dark cloud over good works of Gates Found Oct 09 01:29
schestowitz http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ga… Oct 09 01:29
schestowitz Gates Foundation Revokes Pledge to Review Portfolio – http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/0… Oct 09 01:29
jose__ how’s this for stock price manipulation..though you’ll never hear it be called that: Oct 09 01:29
jose__ a deep pocket seeds at a price level (eg, support level) Oct 09 01:30
schestowitz You won’t hear about it in the press though. It’s under BillG’s control:  Bill Gates lends cash to buy newspapers – $350 million to MediaNews -  http://www.theinquirer.net/default… Oct 09 01:30
jose__ at first, before it’s clear, that level serves as a safety zone (right now AMD a bit above $4 could be similar though i expect it to crack soon) Oct 09 01:30
jose__ anyway, as everything on wallstreet, once the pattern is obvious, it fails to hold up (well under normal circumstances but you have to consider what is hitting the wires and who owns what) Oct 09 01:31
jose__ anyway, eventually, you get the other folks to place their limits at that price. Oct 09 01:32
jose__ no, most people don’t do limit orders that work. Oct 09 01:32
jose__ but point is that is how you get people in large numbers to buy low Oct 09 01:32
jose__ since that low then becomes a high buy as you crash below that level.. i’m bored today Oct 09 01:33
jose__ analyzing the stock market is almost foolish because it’s not what happens exactly as much as when it happens and who is doing what Oct 09 01:33
schestowitz Gates sold 100,000 Univision shares-SEC filing http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/article… Oct 09 01:33
schestowitz Gates buying the news and selling some too. Oct 09 01:33
jose__ and having money and insider access really helps in determining those items Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz They’d better give him since coverage, or /else/… Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz Microsoft’s Bach sold more stock before Xbox news http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/micro… Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz Microsoft exec dumped stock prior to Red Ring announcement http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ar… Oct 09 01:34
twitter nice search links.  I’m going to add them to the previous link and resubmit it. Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz Inside trading. Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz And Robbie Bach stayed out of jail Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz The SEC fell asleep. Oct 09 01:34
schestowitz See, rich people can commit crimes and never even be investigated. Oct 09 01:35
schestowitz .That’s why, in general, the ecnomy sinks. Oct 09 01:35
schestowitz Everyone commits fraud and no regulation body even cares Oct 09 01:35
jose__ roy, this link is dead as become all similar yahoo links http://biz.yahoo.com/indie/071126/1004_id.html?.v=1 Oct 09 01:41
schestowitz Yes, Yahoo is bad. Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz You can find it by headline. Oct 09 01:42
twitter finally all caught up Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz Just got this E-mail about Microsoft’s games in Slashdot, among other things. Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz Hi, Roy, Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz There are also countless of SME’s in Europe that make their money from Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz open source and contribute to improvement of specific packages. Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz Sometimes the improvements are small, incremental ones.  Other times, Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz they are larger re-writes of routines, modules or whole packages. Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz How do they make money with FOSS?  Software is required to deliver just Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz about any products or services in any branch these days.  Just look at Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz the whole LAMP set up and how many 10′s of millions using Linux, BSD, or Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz Solaris, with Apache, Lighttpd or ngninx, with BerkeleyDB, SQL-lite, Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz MySQL or Postgresql, and held together with Perl, Python, Ruby, Java, or Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz PHP. Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz Even ol’ Perl is seeing a resurgence to the point where the advertising Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz firms working for Bill must pump site’s like Slashdot with “me too’s” Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz covering even Perl. Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz Strong opinions… he allowed me to share in public… now watch some strong analogies… Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz “One point that Bill’s faux pax regarding outsourcing makes is that he Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz and his minions are well aware that while FOSS helps in a big way to Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz recession-proof small and medium-sized businesses, it’s even more Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz helpful in a downright economic depression. Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz There’s only one Osama bin Laden and one Bill Gates, why take their Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz perspective on everything, every time? Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz Some people who might know better buy into the Cult o’ Bill myth that Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz somehow there is a market for selling (or leasing) software or that Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz development relationships are only one-way, vendor-client deals. Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz Yeah, among other things, core contributors get hired.  Or key features Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz get staff time allocated towards realizing these features.  Or one could Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz write about the freedom to get the job done.  Bruce Perens and others Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz have written about this occasional for most of 10 years. Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz I myself have been paid since around 1995 to contribute to FOSS.  I’m Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz not a coder, but have tracked down errors or small missing improvements Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz in many packages, which got fixed.  I’ve also helped write documentation Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz and, when I can, test development versions occasionally. Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz For my work over the years, I’ve needed good software. That usually Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz means I end up picking FOSS for the job, more so nowadays.  So what? Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz The world’s governments and corporations do the same.” Oct 09 01:43
schestowitz .. Oct 09 01:44
schestowitz Well, I’m gonna post some daily links in BN now.. Oct 09 01:45
twitter cool, you have collected plenty.  I’m trying to read them.  :) Oct 09 01:45
jose__ ms investments in godaddy, etc, in newsforge… give them lots of information. information. plus investments in lots of major companies can lead to tremendous “insider” knowledge and access, etc.. Oct 09 01:46
schestowitz Yes, that too. Oct 09 01:46
schestowitz Did you see… oh, let me find it. Oct 09 01:46
jose__ controlling people’s OS is bad, but i guess he has all corners covered Oct 09 01:46
schestowitz Today: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/… Oct 09 01:47
schestowitz “The deal, which runs at least until 2012, has been treated with a great deal of suspicion by many people, partly because it can easily be construed as a way for Microsoft to get a “pet” Linux distro which it can control and use to get a better understanding of Linux and customers’ reasons for wanting to use it for its own advantage.” Oct 09 01:47
jose__ except that pesky google.. maybe if ms invests in enough broadband providers.. ah, but google is going wifi Oct 09 01:47
schestowitz They try to work from the inside and they harvest a lot of BI also via Windows installs Oct 09 01:47
schestowitz Windows users are regularly spied for everything they have installed. Oct 09 01:47
schestowitz Microsoft does a census of apps to know which programs it must squash or replace. The EULA permits Microsoft to do this Oct 09 01:48
jose__ one thing about foss and proprietary companies.. Oct 09 01:50
jose__ if the key lock in portions are small.. eg, a set of functions that rank something Oct 09 01:51
jose__ then you can get 98% of the work done for cheap as foss.. Oct 09 01:51
jose__ and if you own the copyrights and use gpl Oct 09 01:51
jose__ then others can’t leverage it further but you can by replacing the key component within your closed product Oct 09 01:51
jose__ of course, gpl sw is useful to anyone from the cloud Oct 09 01:52
jose__ agpl needs to gain more ground Oct 09 01:52
schestowitz Also AGPL Oct 09 01:52
schestowitz They just didn’t have that gentle push to say “bring some back” Oct 09 01:52
jose__ eventually ms will embrace extend googles and others strategy and we will wonder why we didn’t use the agpl more Oct 09 01:52
schestowitz jose__: you beat me to it. Oct 09 01:52
jose__ google may be moderate, but ms isn’t Oct 09 01:52
schestowitz AGPL is what GPLv3+ should have been Oct 09 01:52
jose__ and remember that before anything gets to google it goes through ms windows Oct 09 01:53
schestowitz They made a concession, but not for TiVo. Just ASP and Novell. Oct 09 01:53
jose__ and seeing gates active role as an investor all over the economy can really give him the advantage over everyone else Oct 09 01:53
jose__ micro soft butterfly rollinghills soft voice charity etc.. Oct 09 01:54
jose__ a concession for novell that helps microsoft.. i’m shocked! shocked i tell ya! Oct 09 01:54
schestowitz “soft butterfly”? Oct 09 01:55
jose__ imagery of harmless items Oct 09 01:55
jose__ deception Oct 09 01:55
jose__ what microsoft is about and has been since day 1 Oct 09 01:55
schestowitz Some would say “arrogant prick”:…http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKcPx2jD5… Oct 09 01:55
jose__ watch them take over OLPC the brand Oct 09 01:55
jose__ seriously. this branding is no accident and very key Oct 09 01:56
schestowitz Yes, but Intel helped them Oct 09 01:56
jose__ point is that this was a great op to be associated with a great charity brand Oct 09 01:56
jose__ so i expect negroponte to get the 5 star treatment from ms Oct 09 01:57
jose__ and be convinced that handing the reigns over (as has already been planned to some extent) will be wonderful for poverty etc Oct 09 01:57
jose__ it would be interesting for me to know the sorts of things that go through people’s minds when they take this approach to life (gates’ approach and those helping him) Oct 09 01:58
schestowitz Greens (UK) called it “unacceptable bribery” Oct 09 01:59
jose__ they didn’t get a cut (lol) Oct 09 01:59
jose__ i’m kidding Oct 09 01:59
jose__ partly Oct 09 01:59
jose__ but mostly i suppose Oct 09 01:59
jose__ it can be stimulating fighting the bad guys and maybe being the bad guys, but surely there are other interesting challenges during a person’s adult life Oct 09 02:00
schestowitz I wrote a lot about OLPC. Oct 09 02:02
schestowitz The Wintel press tried to rewrite history. Oct 09 02:02
jose__ this link http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/n… you gave Oct 09 02:03
jose__ a sure ms piece Oct 09 02:03
jose__ slog Oct 09 02:03
jose__ crowd out the good stuff: Oct 09 02:03
jose__ ms sw is inevitable Oct 09 02:03
jose__ note ms software mentions and novell at top of all lists depite them being smaller players in respective categories (virt for ms and linux for novell) Oct 09 02:04
jose__ vmware and redhat got knocked down the list Oct 09 02:04
schestowitz The guy who wrote this is not a Microsofter Oct 09 02:04
schestowitz Silliness for sure. Oct 09 02:05
jose__ no? Oct 09 02:05
jose__ hmmm Oct 09 02:05
schestowitz But I very much doubt he’s a shill gives past things he wrote. Oct 09 02:05
schestowitz I haven’t read it carefully though. Oct 09 02:05
jose__ mixed environments sound like a deal Oct 09 02:05
jose__ but they allow microvell to crowd out red hat Oct 09 02:05
jose__ the lindependence thing. Oct 09 02:06
jose__ an extension, using that same brand, is going to be done in portland Oct 09 02:06
jose__ seeing value (and avenue) there suse jumped on the boat quickly Oct 09 02:07
jose__ other distros really need to take this issue seriously Oct 09 02:07
jose__ microsoft linux (via “independent” novell) is not a joke Oct 09 02:07
jose__ it’s an ugly situation with suse/novell. whatever independence these have from microsoft it clearly still leverages and requires the ms monopolies Oct 09 02:08
schestowitz Microsoft hopes to create a mix Oct 09 02:09
jose__ so to accept their position is to accept microsoft Oct 09 02:09
schestowitz A mix it /wons/ Oct 09 02:09
schestowitz /owns/ Oct 09 02:09
jose__ to accept the wolf living on the top bunk of novell’s foss bunkbed Oct 09 02:09
schestowitz In the sense that it makes money from GNU/Linux and uses that mix to compete with pure FOSS. Oct 09 02:09
schestowitz Novell is part of that mix and names itself a mixed-source company. Oct 09 02:09
jose__ and takes that money away from companies like red hat that have real stakes in a healthy foss environment Oct 09 02:10
schestowitz Novell does not compete against Microsoft anymore. Just visit novell.com and see for yourself. Oct 09 02:10
schestowitz It’s against UNIX and Red Hat primarily. Oct 09 02:10
schestowitz It’s about spreading .NET, OOXML and other such junk. Oct 09 02:11
jose__ dumping if necessary.. anything so that the opposition starves (BN) Oct 09 02:11
schestowitz They even hijack OOo from Sun with go-oo, which is a Microsoftised vrsion of OOo (Mono, VB, OOXML, etc) Oct 09 02:11
jose__ i’ve kept up with those details through here. i know Oct 09 02:11
schestowitz Microsoft fonts too. Oct 09 02:11
schestowitz Novell makes OOo and other software work better/only in WIndows. Oct 09 02:11
schestowitz Yes, I wrote about the dumping. Oct 09 02:12
schestowitz I was told stories I can’t publish either. Oct 09 02:12
schestowitz They are willing to lose money just to ensure ReD Hat doesn’t make any, either. Oct 09 02:12
jose__ yup Oct 09 02:12
jose__ the starving game.. will the fat man or the thin man win? Oct 09 02:13
jose__ who has more reserves. Oct 09 02:13
jose__ the economic down cycle is to “weed” the thin men from the fat men Oct 09 02:13
schestowitz They try this in consoles too… Netscape.. Oct 09 02:13
jose__ no insult meant to any “thin” or “fat” men Oct 09 02:13
schestowitz No need for scare quotes. Oct 09 02:14
schestowitz Didn’t you see Microsoft’s CEO? ;-0 Oct 09 02:14
jose__ i like this conversation but i have to force myself to bed as soon as i can manage it Oct 09 02:15
schestowitz n Oct 09 02:15
schestowitz np Oct 09 02:15
schestowitz I need to sleep myself soon. Had just 3.5 hrs of sleep yesterdaty Oct 09 02:16
jose__ it’s about taking it easy, recognizing you have a limited number of friends, and that most of the rest don’t matter much… Oct 09 02:21
jose__ that might be an answer to what i asked earlier.. about what goes through the minds of people like gates Oct 09 02:21
schestowitz They just want money, fame, and for history to forget their crimes and glorify them. Oct 09 02:22
jose__ it’s a different world.. billions, even millions.. very different when you live that lifestyle vs. a more tamed lifestyle Oct 09 02:23
schestowitz They stomp on people for money. Oct 09 02:24
jose__ wouldn’t mind walking in gates shoes for a while.. you know, to appreciate his pov .. Oct 09 02:24
jose__ :-P Oct 09 02:24
schestowitz It’s an educational issue where money is seen as the measure of a person’s success. Oct 09 02:24
jose__ lol Oct 09 02:24
schestowitz Ellison is the same Oct 09 02:24
jose__ yeah, what is success.. Oct 09 02:24
schestowitz “Strive not to be a man of success, but rather strive to be a man of value.” –Albert Einstein Oct 09 02:25
jose__ a drug to feel good Oct 09 02:25
jose__ usually something is being masked. Oct 09 02:25
jose__ in any case, gates must live through some interesting scenarios Oct 09 02:25
jose__ but it must not feel good to be so disliked by so many Oct 09 02:25
jose__ perhaps the charity thing is half genuine.. Oct 09 02:25
schestowitz BillGerber [sic] Group Oct 09 02:25
jose__ only half Oct 09 02:26
jose__ say does bill have anything to do with those baby bottle recalls with the contaminant .. Oct 09 02:27
jose__ he should stick to software Oct 09 02:27
jose__ one day an asteroid will threaten the planet Oct 09 02:27
schestowitz I can’t remember. Oct 09 02:27
schestowitz There was some scandals with shots in Africa Oct 09 02:27
jose__ after it’s resolved that mars and the moon won’t support life Oct 09 02:27
jose__ and that hoarding won’t work either Oct 09 02:28
schestowitz jose__: *LOL* no, civilisation will be ruined before that. Oct 09 02:28
jose__ we, even bill, will pull together Oct 09 02:28
jose__ and life happily ever after Oct 09 02:28
schestowitz We’re already destorying the fauna and flora and leading to rising sea levels. Oct 09 02:28
schestowitz Enjoy Miami while you can. Oct 09 02:28
schestowitz Get a boat to replace the house. Oct 09 02:28
jose__ i can live elsewhere Oct 09 02:28
jose__ it is sad all the things lost Oct 09 02:28
jose__ that’s life  and death i suppose Oct 09 02:29
schestowitz Na… Oct 09 02:29
schestowitz I wish… Oct 09 02:29
jose__ the circle of doom Oct 09 02:29
schestowitz It’s an oxymoron anyway — life after death Oct 09 02:29
jose__ acumbamatata Oct 09 02:30
schestowitz “dying only to be reborn?” Oct 09 02:30
jose__ death before life Oct 09 02:30
schestowitz Hehe Oct 09 02:30
schestowitz There was a funny cartoon about starting life at 70 and going backwards. Oct 09 02:30
jose__ i wonder what sort of religion grabs you when you live in that special world “above” everyone else Oct 09 02:31
twitter don’t forget M$’s facebook investment. Oct 09 02:31
schestowitz When you due, you can’t take you money /with/ you. :-) Oct 09 02:31
jose__ mork and mindy.. it was a real show Oct 09 02:31
schestowitz Some people just die early from work stress and all the money they worked for is worthless. Oct 09 02:31
schestowitz Killing oneself in the name of numbers. Oct 09 02:32
jose__ but if history judges you well…. Oct 09 02:32
jose__ look king tut was affected by life after death Oct 09 02:32
schestowitz Now we have reality ‘shows’ Oct 09 02:32
schestowitz It’s cheaper for produccers to make Oct 09 02:32
schestowitz Get some boyz and girlz, toss them in a house, give them half-ripped blouses and off you go Oct 09 02:33
jose__ “reality” shows? Oct 09 02:33
jose__ common people are boring Oct 09 02:33
schestowitz Yeah, wqhatever. Oct 09 02:33
jose__ that was the lesson the first day before they hired the actors Oct 09 02:33
jose__ seriously though, we are suckers for hollywood Oct 09 02:33
schestowitz Me? No. Oct 09 02:34
schestowitz Hollywood make a fantsy. Oct 09 02:34
jose__ i understand why.. marvel comics.. the whole superhuman life thing Oct 09 02:34
schestowitz Work hard, be successful and be liked. Oct 09 02:34
jose__ but you don’t do 9 to 5 Oct 09 02:34
schestowitz Of course, most people die without ever fulfilling that dream, which kept them motivated. Oct 09 02:34
jose__ you do 9 to 8:30 the next day Oct 09 02:34
jose__ i’ll win the lottery for sure. Oct 09 02:35
schestowitz And human’s very nature, which cannot be changed, is to carry on destorying the surroundings, so there’s no point trying to prevent it. You can slow it down though. Oct 09 02:35
jose__ voluntary taxes.. Oct 09 02:35
schestowitz Improve health and wealth in Africa and experts say that birth rates will only increase to facilitate ability to raise the children better. Oct 09 02:35
schestowitz So congestion is an issue. China make a start Oct 09 02:36
jose__ well overpopulation is problem.. i mean if you wanted to make the attempt Oct 09 02:36
jose__ right Oct 09 02:36
schestowitz Another issue are the nuclear bombs, which knowledge makes, well.. inevitable. Oct 09 02:36
schestowitz The catalyst for attacks can be a depression or environmental catastrophe (hunger, anger). Oct 09 02:37
jose__ did 1 million people really die along the mari??? line france/germany in wwI Oct 09 02:38
jose__ i saw a documentary… brits being sent to their absolute sure death in front of german machine guns Oct 09 02:38
jose__ over and over Oct 09 02:38
jose__ that’s a lottery i hope not to win Oct 09 02:39
jose__ withdraw my entry, mam. Oct 09 02:39
schestowitz Lottery is fantasy. Oct 09 02:40
schestowitz Like catching football, as opposed to playing. Oct 09 02:40
jose__ no.. Oct 09 02:40
jose__ i CAN catch a football Oct 09 02:40
twitter Wow, that deposition was really bad.  I’ve seen it before but most of it must have been cut out. Oct 09 02:41
jose__ these human emotions (made possible through a lack of information) is what fuels the stock market Oct 09 02:41
jose__ buy high sell low ..and if it’s dropping.. hold because it might just be a lottery ticket Oct 09 02:41
jose__ to be fair, the rules are stacked against the small “investor” Oct 09 02:42
schestowitz Sharing the losses. Oct 09 02:42
jose__ through inferior access to information mostly Oct 09 02:42
jose__ and other rules Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz Wall Street types and big bank employees have had their days of glory and Armani suits. Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz Not it’s,back to reality. Oct 09 02:43
jose__ well, business students are supposedly nervous nowadays Oct 09 02:43
jose__ all of that money in education for what? Oct 09 02:43
jose__ i don’t know Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz Good riddence to /some/ of the corruption. Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz Lots more to come, I assure toy. Oct 09 02:44
jose__ you won’t kill business as they say.. it will morph and the rules will change again Oct 09 02:44
schestowitz Microsoft has yet to have more corruption revealed, AFAIK. Oct 09 02:44
twitter I don’t think people must destroy their surroundings and I certainly want to see poverty eradicated in African and elsewhere! Oct 09 02:44
schestowitz Manager jailed some months ago… lingering allegations and some ‘settlements’ with the SEC (i.e. pay for guilt to be swept under the rug) Oct 09 02:44
schestowitz Novell too has admitted cheating. Oct 09 02:45
twitter People need resources but education and government transparency allows for sustainable use. Oct 09 02:45
schestowitz I sometimes think that finance types are more dishonest than marketing people. Oct 09 02:45
jose__ the stock market is nothing but indirection Oct 09 02:45
jose__ billgates is likely loved LOVED for good reason Oct 09 02:45
schestowitz People tried to redeem SA(merica), but the CIA types serving America $$ assassinates them or embargoed them. Oct 09 02:46
twitter Experts who say, “Improve health and wealth in Africa and experts say that birth rates will only increase to facilitate ability to raise the children better” offend me. Oct 09 02:46
schestowitz I’m not talking about socialist types Oct 09 02:46
jose__ 1%? of the population can’t have half the wealth if the game was fair now could they? Oct 09 02:46
schestowitz Watch what happens in Brazil now… e.g. OOXML, Windows dumping Oct 09 02:46
schestowitz twitter: I can’t recall the quote well. Oct 09 02:47
schestowitz My dad read a book about it. Oct 09 02:47
twitter You cold just as easily say “Destroy health and wealth in Europe and birth rates will only decrease to adjust” Oct 09 02:47
jose__ seriously, birth control is crucial if you want to avoid wars etc Oct 09 02:47
twitter “White man’s burden.”? Oct 09 02:47
schestowitz Wanting to help the poor is not always a solution to everything, which is why we’re pretty much f* because of human nature. Oct 09 02:47
twitter We should treat everyone as we would be treated ourselves. Oct 09 02:48
schestowitz twitter: yes, either that or war, as history implied or showed before. It’s scary stuff. Oct 09 02:48
schestowitz I’d rather see the system cleaned /NOW/ (meaning the fraud at Wall Street be exposed). Oct 09 02:48
schestowitz In addition to realisation that gas emissions must be address N O W! Oct 09 02:49
schestowitz Not in the next presidential term or “when the ecnomy stablises” Oct 09 02:49
jose__ money buys.. it just does. don’t expect too much Oct 09 02:49
twitter The US presidential debates infuriated me.  The American people were being asked to sacrifice “entitlements” such as health care and retirement so that the ultra rich can get a $700,000 tax break. Oct 09 02:49
jose__ solutions must appeal to many.. including those with lot’s of money Oct 09 02:49
twitter Hungry people are cannon fodder. Oct 09 02:50
schestowitz twitter: the rich make the rules. Oct 09 02:50
schestowitz Pyramid scheme… in some countries it’s still a bit better because there’s pressure ‘from the bottom; Oct 09 02:50
schestowitz No Americans took it to the street against OOXML corruptions. Oct 09 02:50
twitter People who want to amass wealth by war will create or take advantage of their people’s missery. Oct 09 02:50
jose__ twitter: i don’t know the details, but letting the system fail is not good Oct 09 02:51
schestowitz And Billy in the Sweater made phone calls to politicians (like his grandpa) to have them flip the vote. Oct 09 02:51
jose__ money is created by the gov rules Oct 09 02:51
schestowitz That’s corruption. Period. Nothing with technical analysis. Oct 09 02:51
jose__ the fed “borrows” money only because that is how they wrote up the rules Oct 09 02:51
schestowitz Which is why I have no guilt over my acts against OOXML. Oct 09 02:51
jose__ the point is that you need currencies and a way to distribute it with checks and balances or it will fail Oct 09 02:51
twitter Exposing corruption is something to be proud of. Oct 09 02:52
jose__ failure of the economy/money etc only means chaos and lots of deaths and destruction to follow Oct 09 02:52
schestowitz My friend reckons that the US will invade Iran soon. Oct 09 02:52
schestowitz He sadly sings Bye Bye Miss American Pie. Oct 09 02:52
twitter RMS? Oct 09 02:52
schestowitz Heh. No. Oct 09 02:52
schestowitz Mike. Oct 09 02:52
twitter Most people listening to the nutcases think the US will invade Iran. Oct 09 02:53
jose__ there is no need for that Oct 09 02:53
jose__ to invade anyone Oct 09 02:53
twitter The troops have already been “surged” in. Oct 09 02:53
twitter It’s not a matter of need, it’s one of greed. Oct 09 02:53
jose__ i mean don’t assume it will happen Oct 09 02:54
twitter The talk about Iran is just the same as the talk about Iraq was but the police state here is stronger. Oct 09 02:54
jose__ where is here Oct 09 02:54
jose__ us, uk? Oct 09 02:54
twitter US Domestic spying is out of control.  The lists are made, the harassment has started.  It’s unAmerican. Oct 09 02:55
twitter http://slashdot.org/~… Oct 09 02:56
schestowitz twitter: just posted the latest links. Oct 09 02:56
twitter tip of the iceburg Oct 09 02:56
twitter There are more than a million names on the “terrorist watch list” and it is only one of many blacklists. Oct 09 02:56
schestowitz A couple at the bottom are about domestic spying. Oct 09 02:56
schestowitz They use technology of advertisers, IMHOP Oct 09 02:57
schestowitz They create profiles and probe for behaviour. Oct 09 02:57
twitter They have a firewall of china style tap to the entire US internet Oct 09 02:57
schestowitz E-mail like GMail, pages visited,. keystrokes, Facebook connections, addresss books, etc. Oct 09 02:57
twitter Library check outs, books read, and so on and so forth. Oct 09 02:58
schestowitz A couple at the bottom here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008… Oct 09 02:58
twitter They listen to cell phones at will and without a warrant Oct 09 02:58
schestowitz Credit cards and digital tickets for transportation. Oct 09 02:58
schestowitz In the UK they now archives record of all the phone calls and E-mails sent. Oct 09 02:58
twitter I worked at a bank for a week this summer.  All checks are scanned and OCR’d then handed over to the feds. Oct 09 02:58
schestowitz Costs them something like $800 million, IIRC Oct 09 02:58
jose__ the cost of “managing” society Oct 09 02:59
schestowitz RMS says you should use cash. Oct 09 02:59
twitter Every last check you spend in monitored.  Even cash is reputed to be RFID chipped now. Oct 09 02:59
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