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10.28.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 27th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:17 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz The Internet existed long before Linux. Oct 27 19:00
twitter Does he not wish that M$ could be half as cooperative and have something as convenient?  Where would Adobe, Skype and non free hardware friends be without Google to point the latest downloads of their binaries? Oct 27 19:00
twitter I was floored to learn M$ had not made a decent package manager for it’s so called partners. Oct 27 19:00
twitter The internet would not exist without free software. Oct 27 19:01
twitter Much of it would collapse without GNU/Linux. Oct 27 19:01
twitter What would you do without google? Oct 27 19:01
MinceR the author is forgetting that neither micro$oft nor crApple ever released any server-grade OS-es :> Oct 27 19:02
schestowitz twitter: but it existed before with UNIX and other O/Ses Oct 27 19:02
twitter If something were to ever make GNU/Linux non free, the community around it would evaporate.  That would make it the internet prohibitively expensive.  It would shrink back 10 years. Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz Well, that’s Novel.. Oct 27 19:04
twitter Big publishers would like that. Oct 27 19:05
twitter It would make things a lot easier for them to control. Oct 27 19:05
twitter Asking if the internet would exist without GNU/Linux is about as dumb as asking if the world would exist without electricity. Oct 27 19:07
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schestowitz Off topic Linus.. http://torvalds-family.blo… Oct 27 19:09
schestowitz I had a typo up there (Novell, not nove…. although the two things could fit there) Oct 27 19:10
schestowitz Open Source Government: Naples goes Open Source : http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/10/26/ope… Oct 27 19:13
schestowitz Almighty link from TuxMachines (come on!): http://www.shell-fu.org/lister.php?id=387 Oct 27 19:14
twitter All day in the less than $4.00 crapper.  http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL Oct 27 19:15
schestowitz Pavs put a nice cartoon here. I like the one at the top: http://www.linuxhaxor.net/200… Oct 27 19:15
PetoKraus hmm phoronix has a nice benchmark Oct 27 19:19
PetoKraus http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoro… Oct 27 19:20
schestowitz http://frequencyofsilence.blogspo…“This is my first venture into an open-code OS, and, as a faithful Microsoft user (all the way from DOS 1.0 to XP) I feel like a man on a first date 20 years after his first wife died. Depressing.” Oct 27 19:21
PetoKraus “Ubuntu 7.04 was certainly the Feisty Fawn for performance, but based upon these results perhaps it would be better to call Ubuntu 7.10 the Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex.” Oct 27 19:21
PetoKraus i don’t know what are they doing, but they are doing it WRONG Oct 27 19:22
schestowitz Oh no. I can already see the IDG logo at the bottom Oct 27 19:22
schestowitz Later tonight I’ll post something about IDG/IDC’s attack on VMware.. they pull another one for Microsoft I reckon.. Oct 27 19:22
twitter Oh well.  FUD is all they have.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Oct 27 19:22
PetoKraus twitter: shut up, honestly Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz twitter: Michael is honest Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz It’s the Wintel adverts that I dread. Oct 27 19:23
PetoKraus schestowitz: michael doesn’t mind Oct 27 19:23
PetoKraus he’s not hard-core FSF supporter Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz They drape all the Linux//UNIX sites in WIntel slop. Oct 27 19:23
trmanco I think Google contribuites to the Linux Kernel Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz PetoKraus: I know he’s not. Oct 27 19:23
PetoKraus if he was, he wouldn’t do reviews of ATI prop. drivers Oct 27 19:24
trmanco Google employees Oct 27 19:24
schestowitz Michael is an LF-type person whom I consider a friend. Oct 27 19:24
twitter whatever.  someone who can’t tune a box should not write a review. Oct 27 19:24
schestowitz But being close to the kernel, they must accept blobs. Oct 27 19:24
PetoKraus twitter: the point is, ubuntu is not meant to be tuned Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz Especially with GPUs and high-end h/w Oct 27 19:25
twitter If they do write a review, the least they can do is get a pre-install Oct 27 19:25
PetoKraus man, you don’t have a clue what are you talking about Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz twitter: not true. Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz He know what he’s doing. Oct 27 19:25
trmanco http://marc.info/?l=linux-kerne… Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz *knows Oct 27 19:25
PetoKraus the purpose of the benchmark is to compare out-of-the box performance of last for ubuntus Oct 27 19:25
trmanco *google.com domain Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz rc2 of Linux 2009.0 is out. Oct 27 19:25
trmanco lol Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz Too fast. Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz I think rc1 was less than a week ago. Oct 27 19:26
trmanco schestowitz, already using the *maybe* future naming of Linux versions :P Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz And Linus slackens a little… blogging about chlorine and s* Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz :-) Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz trmanco: yes, I want to help it happen. Oct 27 19:27
schestowitz I’ve done it since”Numbering Redux” back in June or so. Oct 27 19:27
trmanco ok Oct 27 19:27
twitter You are telling me that someone who writes “This is my first venture into an open-code OS, and, as a faithful Microsoft user (all the way from DOS 1.0 to XP) I feel like a man on a first date 20 years after his first wife died. Depressing.” knows what he’s doing? Oct 27 19:27
twitter wtf?  I could do better than that. Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz True and a little bothersome: Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex – You can Tell Release is Approaching < http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2008/10/ubunt… >: it’s Ubuntu all over the place and the release is still days aaway. Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz twitter: no, not that. Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz I was referring to Phoronix. Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz This person <  http://frequencyofsilence.blogspot.com/2008/10/ub… > seems willing to move. Just new though. It takes a learning curve and to install GNU/Linux on a WIndows-loaded machine /might/ take a little work. Oct 27 19:29
trmanco http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/opiniao_o_… Oct 27 19:33
trmanco some news related to open office Oct 27 19:34
schestowitz RicerNux: Review: Gentoo 2008.0 and beyond Part 1 < http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/20… > Oct 27 19:38
twitter I’ll have to check out the “Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex” for myself one day.  There have been no complaints from the local SIG lab. Oct 27 19:39
twitter I see the jump in media conversion speeds.  I wonder what’s up there. Oct 27 19:43
twitter Especially when GNUPG is faster. Oct 27 19:45
schestowitz Loooo-ok: “RoTM Emergency services were on Sunday obliged to cut free a TGV passenger whose arm was swallowed by the high-speed train’s sucking dunny, the BBC reports.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… Oct 27 19:45
schestowitz This begs the question: why did he stick in hand inside the toilet? Oct 27 19:46
twitter lost his keys? Oct 27 19:46
twitter ask Hunter Thompson. Oct 27 19:46
schestowitz It sucks. Oct 27 19:49
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schestowitz OpenSUSE: small world… “A total of 75.11% (178 of 237) voters participated in the poll.” The turn-up was fantastic… not. Oct 27 19:51
schestowitz That’s openSUSE Board Election Oct 27 19:52
twitter Phoronix points the finger at the completely fair scheduler.  Hmmm, don’t know. Oct 27 19:52
schestowitz Dow in the RED now. 2% Oct 27 19:53
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twitter How does openSUSE decide who votes?  Code contribution? Oct 27 19:53
schestowitz NOVL at $3.90 (down sharply) Oct 27 19:53
twitter yepers. Oct 27 19:53
schestowitz twitter: they delayed the vote. Oct 27 19:53
schestowitz I guess it’s because of poor participation. Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz They have 4 Novell employees among a board of 10 Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz ==Non-Novell== Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Bleser, Pascal           148    45.96 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Yunashko, Bryen           69    21.43 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Linnell, Petee            42    13.04 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Rodriguez, Alex           30     9.32 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Pasanen, Tuukka           18     5.59 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Rusinek, Jakub            15     4.66 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz   Total:                 322 Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz ==Novell== Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Vogelsang, Henne         126    38.18 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Mena-Quintero, Federico   86    26.06 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Shaw, Stephen             71    21.52 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz Michna, Marco             47    14.24 % Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz   Total:                 330 Oct 27 19:54
twitter M$ is taking a last minut dive.  -3.7% Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz NOVL market cap: 1.35B Oct 27 19:55
twitter who voted for them? Oct 27 19:55
schestowitz NOV: $3.82 Oct 27 19:55
schestowitz twitter: probably devs and volunteers but Novell staff too. Oct 27 19:56
schestowitz Some of them are like “unpaid staff” Oct 27 19:56
schestowitz I think they are better off helping companies that vend GNU/Linux not like Novell/Microsoft. Oct 27 19:56
twitter I think they would be better off working for a community like Debian. Oct 27 19:57
schestowitz NOVL market cap: 1.33B Oct 27 19:57
schestowitz twitter: yes, Debian could use some help. They’ll even get cookies for swatting bugs. Oct 27 19:57
twitter Better than a novell license :) Oct 27 19:58
twitter I like cookies Oct 27 19:58
trmanco http://wiki.iffii.com/index.cg… Oct 27 19:59
schestowitz Jupitermedia President Chris Cardell Resigns : http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/27/jupi… Oct 27 19:59
schestowitz The Dow is approaching the 7000s Oct 27 20:01
trmanco http://www.ioremap.net/node/37 Oct 27 20:03
twitter Oh my.  Welcome back to 1997, your money is no good here. Oct 27 20:05
twitter Skript kiddies!  http://it.slashdot.org/article… Oct 27 20:06
twitter No skillz requires Oct 27 20:06
schestowitz Arrgh! :-) I’m having a Ubuntu overload, I think.. Ubuntu fatigue. Oct 27 20:06
twitter A release every six months will do that. Oct 27 20:06
schestowitz “Reporting children as young as 11 swapping credit card details and asking for hacks, many are largely unskilled and thus more likely to get caught and arrested.” Oct 27 20:06
schestowitz 11? I heard of 13 before. Oct 27 20:07
schestowitz First they do some time in jail, crack the Pentagon. Later, when they grow up a bit, they study a second language and grow pubes. Apparently Windows hacking is easier than all that… :-( Oct 27 20:07
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twitter Some people take money from their mom’s purse.  Others realize it’s easier to have things shipped to your door. Oct 27 20:09
schestowitz _Doug: check out! Now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi… Oct 27 20:10
_Doug hokey .. Oct 27 20:11
twitter ” Many teenagers got into low level crime by looking for exploits and cracks for their favourite computer games.”  Perhaps modifying your games should not be considered a crime. Oct 27 20:12
twitter If you call someone a thief long enough, they will steal for spite. Oct 27 20:13
schestowitz Or terrorists. Oct 27 20:13
_Doug the ‘Criminal Record Bureau’ is being used to exclude undesirables/activists from top jobs Oct 27 20:13
schestowitz You can see how segregation or daemonisation against Arabs does not help. Oct 27 20:14
_Doug of course when they don’t roll over and cop a plee, kiddie-porn is found on their computer .. Oct 27 20:14
schestowitz CRB? Oct 27 20:14
twitter ” We have seen phishing sites that have broken images because the link, rather than reference the original webpage, is referencing a file on the C: drive that is not there”  What was I saying about Windows kiddies and botnets a while back? Oct 27 20:14
_Doug Criminal Record Bureau .. Oct 27 20:14
schestowitz You know it?? Oct 27 20:15
_Doug I wonder they don’t prosecute the software compamies for making such easly hacked system ? Oct 27 20:15
twitter _Doug I can believe that.  Do you have link? Oct 27 20:15
schestowitz That may change. Oct 27 20:15
_Doug I don’t know it .. Oct 27 20:15
schestowitz Let me find the ref Oct 27 20:15
schestowitz From Richard rasker Oct 27 20:15
_Doug it’s funny this story pops up on the eve of patch-tuesday .. Oct 27 20:16
schestowitz http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/a… Oct 27 20:17
twitter It’s nice to see it rise up into the popular media, but I think it’s more an upgrade cycle thing.  XP must die so that Vista won’t. Oct 27 20:17
twitter More on the kiddies ” Many post videos of what they have done to sites such as YouTube and sign on with the same alias used to hack a site, run a phishing attack or write a web exploit.”  I know that twitter is a terrorist and all, the Army told me. Oct 27 20:18
schestowitz OK, I can’t find it. In a nutshell, El Reg posted an article about liability rules changing. Oct 27 20:18
_Doug remember the chief constable said that the real enemy was the urban middle-classes :O Oct 27 20:18
schestowitz In practice, it might be more progamatic if they just procured more secure software. Microsoft’s Jeff Jones and other dancing bears try to confuse them with lies though. Oct 27 20:19
_Doug UK Court rules on ISP liability Oct 27 20:20
schestowitz Does the middle class still exist, _Doug. it’s a dying breed. Oct 27 20:20
_Doug http://www.theregister.co.uk… Oct 27 20:20
twitter Dow wow wow.  It’s dead, Roy. Oct 27 20:21
_Doug they are middle-class except they are all now poor and totally disillusioned and disaffected with the media circus .. Oct 27 20:22
_Doug eg: Al-Quieda using the heroin trade to finance terrorism .. Oct 27 20:24
_Doug eg1: venezuela  pushing cocaine into the US through europe .. Oct 27 20:25
_Doug What has the Beebe been reduced to ? Oct 27 20:25
schestowitz NOVL is suffering today. Oct 27 20:25
schestowitz BBC? Where specifically? Oct 27 20:26
schestowitz I resent the media division of the BBC. Oct 27 20:26
schestowitz I also keep getting these letters that simply assume everyone has a TV set in their house. I gave mine away years ago. Oct 27 20:27
_Doug the media-circus division .. Oct 27 20:27
schestowitz Spin and manufactured consent division. Oct 27 20:27
_Doug and the news readers replaced with hot babes :) Oct 27 20:27
schestowitz “Use Vista… here are the instructions… it’s good for you… it has DRM ‘enablement’ and it ruins iPlayer… use it, try it, love it” Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz That’s what they actually do on the budget… writing howtos for products… well, ONE product… of a partner. Oct 27 20:28
_Doug they spread the BS on radio 5 at four am, when no-one would notice … Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz How much was Natasha paid again? Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz I saw something on TV the other month… Oct 27 20:29
schestowitz http://finance.yahoo.com… Oct 27 20:30
_Doug we need to start a war somewhere .. that way the US gov and donate masses of revenue to the arms manufacturers .. Oct 27 20:33
_Doug getting the people back to work .. Oct 27 20:33
_Doug :) Oct 27 20:33
schestowitz That’s what I read.. with great concern. Oct 27 20:34
_Doug Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber .. Oct 27 20:34
_Doug http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_… Oct 27 20:34
_Doug your data is safe with us :) Oct 27 20:34
schestowitz The scary part is the need for a catalyst for military action… which means, well… had something happened here, then with all the unemployed people, military action and armament is not far fetched. Oct 27 20:35
_Doug Police fingerprints on street .. Oct 27 20:37
_Doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/2… Oct 27 20:37
schestowitz Quite a few people this month seem to be searching for “novell layoffs” Oct 27 20:39
schestowitz More fingerprints=more security… like more patent = more innovation. Oct 27 20:39
_Doug catalyst: it was WW1 that financed the Wall Street bubble/crash of 1929 Oct 27 20:39
schestowitz That’s what they say.. Oct 27 20:40
schestowitz “after the war, the US emerged as the most powerful nation..” (from memory) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_sstDwKTCpM Oct 27 20:41
_Doug fingerprint: may reduce crime, but only at the cost of turning the place into a prison … Oct 27 20:43
_Doug fingerprints: The voters are totally disillusioned and fragmented, else there would be an outcry Oct 27 20:44
_Doug Police will use new device to take fingerprints in street Oct 27 20:44
_Doug repeat :) Oct 27 20:44
schestowitz It’s not *that* bad. Oct 27 20:45
schestowitz Verizon Reports 31 Percent Increase in Net Income : http://www.pcworld.com/article/152853… Oct 27 20:45
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/152851/.html?tk=rss_news “European models will be offered with up to 160G-byte hard-disk drives on Windows XP models. Versions based on Ubuntu Linux are also planned, although they’ll have half the memory of the Windows versions and a maximum hard disk size of 120G-bytes. They also won’t support Bluetooth.” Oct 27 20:46
schestowitz When will the slide end? This is becoming rather scary. Sony, IT Stocks Hit Again as Tokyo Market Slides < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152849/.html?tk=rss_news >. Oct 27 20:47
_Doug later .. Oct 27 20:48
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schestowitz Japan’s young turn to Communist Party as they decide capitalism has let them down : Oct 27 20:48
schestowitz http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/w… Oct 27 20:48
trmanco schestowitz, you sent some feedback to Novell for OGG videos? Oct 27 21:00
schestowitz No, but they noticed. Oct 27 21:00
trmanco ? Oct 27 21:00
schestowitz There are Novell employees reading the site. Oct 27 21:00
trmanco That is good Oct 27 21:01
trmanco Well maybe Oct 27 21:01
schestowitz Good that they fixed it or good that more people understand that Novell and freedom are a coincidental intersection? Oct 27 21:02
schestowitz *LOL* http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diar… Oct 27 21:03
schestowitz New lizard in SUSE Oct 27 21:03
schestowitz The boss. Oct 27 21:03
trmanco they didn’t fix it yet Oct 27 21:03
trmanco when I said “good” I was referring to Novell’s employees reading BN Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz trmanco: they won’t. Maybe next year when Novell is a much smaller company Oct 27 21:04
trmanco *smaller* :-P Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz Their value sank. I reckon they might announce layoffs before Xmas. They still get fed by Microsoft to be left alive. Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz Microsoft won’t let Novell die…. just as it fed SCO… for obvious reasons. Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz Microsoft has already invested almost half a billion in the Great Novell Scam… they also cut budgets by that amount. For an attack on the #1 rival (Linux), that’s slush funds. Oct 27 21:06
*PeterKraus is now known as PetoKraus Oct 27 21:06
trmanco I wonder how much money M$ still has left? Oct 27 21:07
schestowitz About $22bn Oct 27 21:08
schestowitz With over $30 left to fund buybacks, so that number will decline over time, with or without a Depression. Oct 27 21:08
schestowitz I suppose that a lot of the material I accumulate in BN (also on Saturdays, which is a lot of work) will come handy when Novell goes a little more hostile and we then need to look back and understand what happened. PJ still studies SCO in the 90s, which is hard (historian’s work). Oct 27 21:08
trmanco They should sell out to Google someday Oct 27 21:10
trmanco M$ Oct 27 21:10
schestowitz *LOL* Says Novell: “With stock markets “yo-yoing” and credit tightening, companies are looking for ways to cut costs yet stay competitive.” Novell must know the feeling… http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=511 Oct 27 21:11
MinceR “competitive” isn’t novell’s game though Oct 27 21:11
trmanco w00t Oct 27 21:11
trmanco “Novell is pleased to announce the availability of its OpenOffice.org Novell Edition for Windows.” Oct 27 21:11
trmanco I like AlbertoP’s comment Oct 27 21:12
schestowitz Well done, Alberto P. Oct 27 21:13
schestowitz “Next time maybe say “Windows and Linux”. Linux should be your preferential platform, at least according to what you write on your site. For your information OpenOffice 3.0 packages are not available yet for SUSE in the Build Service. Next time maybe prioritize your platform and then think to Windows.” Oct 27 21:13
schestowitz So what you have here is a SUSE community member complaining to Novell about preferring Windows or giving it special treatment. Oct 27 21:13
schestowitz There was a complaint about this almost 2 years ago.. Reverend Ted (Ted Haeger) announced OOo for Windows… with special addons Novell is only allowed to give the Windows version. Oct 27 21:14
schestowitz 80% of OOo downloads are Windows. Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz Linux is about 7% Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz But GNU/Linux user obtain the s/w from their repos/clean distro install sometimes. Oct 27 21:18
PetoKraus well, who downloads from official page anyway Oct 27 21:18
PetoKraus gentoo mirrors the packages, even if they are using official releases/sources unaltered Oct 27 21:18
PetoKraus not talking about debian and stuff. everyone mirrors it. Oct 27 21:18
trmanco http://www.linux-gamers.net/modu… Oct 27 21:19
schestowitz PetoKraus: who downloads software in general? Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz Mostly Mac OS and Windows users. GNU/Linux has repos Oct 27 21:21
schestowitz They need to adapt their metrics. it’s like counting and measuring installed base based on sales alone (how many people have their machine preloaded with GNU/Linux anyway?) Oct 27 21:21
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schestowitz Nice viewer: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10075449-62.html Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz Odd duck: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wi… Oct 27 21:33
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_Doug Terrorist Recognition Handbook .. Oct 27 21:43
_Doug http://www.amazon.com/dp/14200… Oct 27 21:43
schestowitz Google breaks the law in India? http://www.medianama.com/2008/10/2… Oct 27 21:43
schestowitz http://www.reuters.com/article/technolog… Verizon, Klausner settle voice mail patent suit Oct 27 21:43
schestowitz http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Det… “Last week Marshall Phelps observed that Europe thinks it does not grant software patents, but that actually it does. When the enlarged board answers the president’s questions, maybe we can all have the same certainty as Microsoft’s VP of IP Strategy and Policy.” Oct 27 21:44
schestowitz “Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner’s Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, Second Edition (Paperback)” … “by Malcolm Nance “ Oct 27 21:45
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=m… “Malcolm W. Nance is a counter-terrorism and terrorism intelligence consultant for the U.S. government’s Special Operations, Homeland Security and …” Oct 27 21:45
schestowitz http://smallwarsjournal.com/bl… Oct 27 21:46
schestowitz Nice photo.. holding a rifle… the Big Terrorists (imperialistic invasions) versus the small ones. Oct 27 21:47
_Doug who’s gonna protect us from him ? Oct 27 21:47
schestowitz Mr. Ralph Nader. Oct 27 21:50
_Doug is he a third presedential candidate .. and would anyone know ? Oct 27 21:52
schestowitz No, I’m being cynical. Oct 27 21:52
_Doug “Patents on software are formally disallowed under the European patent system but are routinely granted by the European patent office, according to critics” Oct 27 21:52
_Doug http://news.cnet.com/2100-1012-6118063.html Oct 27 21:52
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_Doug “We have had enough of hidden agenda politics, it’s time for the commissioner to deliver some facts,” Oct 27 21:53
_Doug “The current rules in the European Patent Convention are out of date and leave a very wide decision-making power in the hands of examiners.” Charlie McGreevy .. Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz Brimelow delivered some answers, not facts. Oct 27 21:54
_Doug http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/current.php?art… Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz oops, I i meant “question” Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz Is it new? Where did you find it? Oct 27 21:55
schestowitz They entertained some serious GPLv3 FUD some months ago. I don’t trust this site. Oct 27 21:55
_Doug http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index.html Oct 27 21:57
schestowitz “An open source approach to open voting systems is essential to the integrity of our electoral process. Here’s a technical blueprint for securing the vote” http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10/27/44… Oct 27 21:57
PetoKraus so, michael labarel is performing the same benchmarks Oct 27 21:58
PetoKraus as on ubuntu Oct 27 21:58
PetoKraus on fedora… we’ll see if it’s just ubuntu sloppiness, or something upstream related Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz yes, he’s the good guy. Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz No need to question his motives. Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz Mono buntu Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz Very good: http://www.scriptumlibre.org/Boycott_Trend_Micro Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz Patent strategy=DISRUPTIVE (very!) INNOVA~1 Oct 27 22:01
_Doug CODEWEAVERS’ SOFTWARE FREE FOR DOWNLOAD .. Oct 27 22:01
_Doug http://www.codeweavers.com/about/ge… Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz Yes Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz They have been planning this for a while. Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz Big step for migrations to GNU/Linux. Oct 27 22:02
_Doug how to get terrorism and hacker in the same sentence .. Oct 27 22:02
_Doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/t… Oct 27 22:02
_Doug is terrorism the new communism ? Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz Opposite? Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz Communism the new terrorism? Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz Just before you’d left I posted: Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz * _Doug has quit (“ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]“) Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz <schestowitz> Japan’s young turn to Communist Party as they decide capitalism has let them down : Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz <schestowitz> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/… Oct 27 22:04
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_Doug then Japan must be ‘liberated’ forthwith .. Oct 27 22:05
_Doug :) Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/te…   Searching for ‘hack’, no match found. You lied. Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz No, Japan is the new “Them” Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz “Them!” [points finger /] Oct 27 22:06
_Doug “US Army warns of Twitter danger” it’s there … Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz Yes, but nothing about hacks. Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz twitter should sue them for libel. ;-) Oct 27 22:07
_Doug taken with my previous links .. Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz Go Commando on the military, with Judge Judy. Oct 27 22:07
_Doug Is Terrorism the New Communism .. Oct 27 22:07
_Doug http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica… Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz What is this site? Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz Is it SFW? Oct 27 22:07
_Doug the State Department’s definition .. states terrorism is any of the following: Oct 27 22:08
_Doug By that criteria Uncle Sam is guilty of all them Oct 27 22:08
_Doug sfw ? Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz Sam?Sammy Davis Jr.? Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz Safe for work (SFW). Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz Loads of Lunix Nyoos today… good stuff. Oct 27 22:10
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_Doug ‘This Intellectual Property Compliance License Agreement for Linux (“Agreement”) is made and entered into on the date last executed by and between The SCO Group, Inc., for itself or its Subsidiaries’ Oct 27 22:15
_Doug http://lwn.net/Articles/43085/ Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz Did you see SCO’s latest sponsor? Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz Sh*tel. Oct 27 22:16
_Doug got a link ? Oct 27 22:16
_Doug ‘The Computer History Museum on Tuesday night honored three legends in the industry, including Linux creator Linus Torvalds’ Oct 27 22:17
_Doug http://www.informationweek.com/news/so… Oct 27 22:17
schestowitz GNU/Linux TV Commercials for Dell.. http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/10/2… Oct 27 22:17
_Doug http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=… Oct 27 22:19
schestowitz Wrong URL. Here’s the vid: http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=2827 Oct 27 22:19
schestowitz Darl&Paul (Otellini) for precious IP? Oct 27 22:20
_Doug Hacker is ‘too sick’ to survive US extradition .. Oct 27 22:20
_Doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/… Oct 27 22:20
schestowitz Sick of the system? Oct 27 22:22
schestowitz Asperger’s syndrome? Oct 27 22:22
schestowitz Isn’t that more of a condition than an illness? Oct 27 22:23
_Doug is meaningless .. a set of behaviors .. no one would notice your Aspergers in the IT industry .. Oct 27 22:24
_Doug What’s curious about the case is that the UK has no recriminate right of extradition from the US Oct 27 22:25
_Doug not a real country anaways :) Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz State. Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz 51st Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz Decent film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0227984/ Oct 27 22:27
_Doug Syria condemns US raid as ‘act of terrorist aggression’ .. Oct 27 22:31
_Doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2… Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz US is big. Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz Big can’t be “terrorism” Oct 27 22:31
_Doug Is this George Wa’s attempt to boos support for McCain .. eg strong on terr’ism Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz It’s like dingy and Big Ship Oct 27 22:32
_Doug License free code from us, or we’ll sue, says Microsoft’s IP lawyer .. Oct 27 22:40
_Doug InfoWorld: So you’re not going to tell me what those patents were today? Oct 27 22:40
_Doug Gutierrez: No, I will say this: Microsoft publishes every patent that Microsoft gets issued and we have had deeper, detailed discussions in the context of private licensing conversations, which, by the way, is the practice that every technology company follows. So to answer your question, yes, we have divulged them. We have talked about them with a number of companies that have shown… Oct 27 22:40
_Doug …interest in having a good faith licensing discussion with Microsoft. Oct 27 22:40
_Doug InfoWorld: Can you tell me what one or two of them were? Oct 27 22:40
_Doug Gutierrez: I can tell you that there have been a number of them and no, those conversations are business conversations that we tend not to divulge. Oct 27 22:40
_Doug http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/columnists/doubletake… Oct 27 22:40
schestowitz Microsoft will deliver us a future flowered with (floored by?) INNOVA~1 Oct 27 22:41
_Doug “Task list window for use in an integrated development environment “ Oct 27 22:41
_Doug http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P… Oct 27 22:41
_Doug |”As the developer edits source code, warnings and coding errors are detected and inserted as tasks in a task list.” Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz Does MonoDevelop infinge? Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz Do me a favour if you have the time. Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz Find patents Mono may infringe. If we can show it to Miguel, we can remove the problem by making a statement. Oct 27 22:43
_Doug “, if the source code contains the comment, “/*TODO: Need to add copyright text*/”, the parser 204 adds the task “TODO: Need to add copyright text” to the task list” Oct 27 22:43
_Doug MonoDevelop .. I’ll look tomorrow Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz So the inovation is that error messages are not just shown but also thrown is some stack of output. Wow! I would never have thought of that! Just WOW! Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz Sounds like an ad hoc hack that any hacker might think of on the fly. Oct 27 22:45
_Doug they’ve patented an embedded TODO list in the source code ? Oct 27 22:45
_Doug assert() Oct 27 22:45
schestowitz I edit my refs in Kate and I have my own ‘methods’ too… but that’s not a patent. It’s “Tricks and Tips”(C) Oct 27 22:45
schestowitz Prior art? Oct 27 22:46
_Doug http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/webmo… Oct 27 22:46
_Doug graphical alerts to keyword allocated events ? Oct 27 22:46
schestowitz Microsoft is assert()ing its patent rights. Oct 27 22:47
_Doug Netbook runs Debian on China-made CPU .. Oct 27 22:49
_Doug http://www.linuxdevices.com/n… Oct 27 22:49
schestowitz Yes, that’s excellent news. Intel could be toast for margins. Oct 27 22:49
schestowitz $98 laptop…(with GNU/Linux): http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-lin… Oct 27 22:50
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_Doug NeuLion  IPTV set-top runs Linux — Oct 27 22:51
_Doug http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6706106369.html Oct 27 22:51
_Doug hi ‘fumanchu2175′ how are things in da deep south ? Oct 27 22:52
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schestowitz You scared the waaabits. Oct 27 22:52
schestowitz Microsoft Agent ‘cj’ is gone. Oct 27 22:53
schestowitz There is still a SUSE rep here though. Probably also a Microsoft one because the trolls from COLA lurk here. Oct 27 22:53
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