10.28.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 27th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:17 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	The Internet existed long before Linux.	Oct 27 19:00
twitter	Does he not wish that M$ could be half as cooperative and have something as convenient? Where would Adobe, Skype and non free hardware friends be without Google to point the latest downloads of their binaries?	Oct 27 19:00
twitter	I was floored to learn M$ had not made a decent package manager for it’s so called partners.	Oct 27 19:00
twitter	The internet would not exist without free software.	Oct 27 19:01
twitter	Much of it would collapse without GNU/Linux.	Oct 27 19:01
twitter	What would you do without google?	Oct 27 19:01
MinceR	the author is forgetting that neither micro$oft nor crApple ever released any server-grade OS-es :>	Oct 27 19:02
schestowitz	twitter: but it existed before with UNIX and other O/Ses	Oct 27 19:02
twitter	If something were to ever make GNU/Linux non free, the community around it would evaporate. That would make it the internet prohibitively expensive. It would shrink back 10 years.	Oct 27 19:03
schestowitz	Well, that’s Novel..	Oct 27 19:04
twitter	Big publishers would like that.	Oct 27 19:05
twitter	It would make things a lot easier for them to control.	Oct 27 19:05
twitter	Asking if the internet would exist without GNU/Linux is about as dumb as asking if the world would exist without electricity.	Oct 27 19:07
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schestowitz	Off topic Linus.. http://torvalds-family.blo…	Oct 27 19:09
schestowitz	I had a typo up there (Novell, not nove…. although the two things could fit there)	Oct 27 19:10
schestowitz	Open Source Government: Naples goes Open Source : http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/10/26/ope…	Oct 27 19:13
schestowitz	Almighty link from TuxMachines (come on!): http://www.shell-fu.org/lister.php?id=387	Oct 27 19:14
twitter	All day in the less than $4.00 crapper. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL	Oct 27 19:15
schestowitz	Pavs put a nice cartoon here. I like the one at the top: http://www.linuxhaxor.net/200…	Oct 27 19:15
PetoKraus	hmm phoronix has a nice benchmark	Oct 27 19:19
PetoKraus	http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoro…	Oct 27 19:20
schestowitz	http://frequencyofsilence.blogspo…“This is my first venture into an open-code OS, and, as a faithful Microsoft user (all the way from DOS 1.0 to XP) I feel like a man on a first date 20 years after his first wife died. Depressing.”	Oct 27 19:21
PetoKraus	“Ubuntu 7.04 was certainly the Feisty Fawn for performance, but based upon these results perhaps it would be better to call Ubuntu 7.10 the Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex.”	Oct 27 19:21
PetoKraus	i don’t know what are they doing, but they are doing it WRONG	Oct 27 19:22
schestowitz	Oh no. I can already see the IDG logo at the bottom	Oct 27 19:22
schestowitz	Later tonight I’ll post something about IDG/IDC’s attack on VMware.. they pull another one for Microsoft I reckon..	Oct 27 19:22
twitter	Oh well. FUD is all they have. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!	Oct 27 19:22
PetoKraus	twitter: shut up, honestly	Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz	twitter: Michael is honest	Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz	It’s the Wintel adverts that I dread.	Oct 27 19:23
PetoKraus	schestowitz: michael doesn’t mind	Oct 27 19:23
PetoKraus	he’s not hard-core FSF supporter	Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz	They drape all the Linux//UNIX sites in WIntel slop.	Oct 27 19:23
trmanco	I think Google contribuites to the Linux Kernel	Oct 27 19:23
schestowitz	PetoKraus: I know he’s not.	Oct 27 19:23
PetoKraus	if he was, he wouldn’t do reviews of ATI prop. drivers	Oct 27 19:24
trmanco	Google employees	Oct 27 19:24
schestowitz	Michael is an LF-type person whom I consider a friend.	Oct 27 19:24
twitter	whatever. someone who can’t tune a box should not write a review.	Oct 27 19:24
schestowitz	But being close to the kernel, they must accept blobs.	Oct 27 19:24
PetoKraus	twitter: the point is, ubuntu is not meant to be tuned	Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz	Especially with GPUs and high-end h/w	Oct 27 19:25
twitter	If they do write a review, the least they can do is get a pre-install	Oct 27 19:25
PetoKraus	man, you don’t have a clue what are you talking about	Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz	twitter: not true.	Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz	He know what he’s doing.	Oct 27 19:25
trmanco	http://marc.info/?l=linux-kerne…	Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz	*knows	Oct 27 19:25
PetoKraus	the purpose of the benchmark is to compare out-of-the box performance of last for ubuntus	Oct 27 19:25
trmanco	*google.com domain	Oct 27 19:25
schestowitz	rc2 of Linux 2009.0 is out.	Oct 27 19:25
trmanco	lol	Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz	Too fast.	Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz	I think rc1 was less than a week ago.	Oct 27 19:26
trmanco	schestowitz, already using the maybe future naming of Linux versions	Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz	And Linus slackens a little… blogging about chlorine and s*	Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz		Oct 27 19:26
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, I want to help it happen.	Oct 27 19:27
schestowitz	I’ve done it since”Numbering Redux” back in June or so.	Oct 27 19:27
trmanco	ok	Oct 27 19:27
twitter	You are telling me that someone who writes “This is my first venture into an open-code OS, and, as a faithful Microsoft user (all the way from DOS 1.0 to XP) I feel like a man on a first date 20 years after his first wife died. Depressing.” knows what he’s doing?	Oct 27 19:27
twitter	wtf? I could do better than that.	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	True and a little bothersome: Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex – You can Tell Release is Approaching < http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2008/10/ubunt… >: it’s Ubuntu all over the place and the release is still days aaway.	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	twitter: no, not that.	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	I was referring to Phoronix.	Oct 27 19:28
schestowitz	This person < http://frequencyofsilence.blogspot.com/2008/10/ub… > seems willing to move. Just new though. It takes a learning curve and to install GNU/Linux on a WIndows-loaded machine /might/ take a little work.	Oct 27 19:29
trmanco	http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/opiniao_o_…	Oct 27 19:33
trmanco	some news related to open office	Oct 27 19:34
schestowitz	RicerNux: Review: Gentoo 2008.0 and beyond Part 1 < http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/20… >	Oct 27 19:38
twitter	I’ll have to check out the “Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex” for myself one day. There have been no complaints from the local SIG lab.	Oct 27 19:39
twitter	I see the jump in media conversion speeds. I wonder what’s up there.	Oct 27 19:43
twitter	Especially when GNUPG is faster.	Oct 27 19:45
schestowitz	Loooo-ok: “RoTM Emergency services were on Sunday obliged to cut free a TGV passenger whose arm was swallowed by the high-speed train’s sucking dunny, the BBC reports.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1…	Oct 27 19:45
schestowitz	This begs the question: why did he stick in hand inside the toilet?	Oct 27 19:46
twitter	lost his keys?	Oct 27 19:46
twitter	ask Hunter Thompson.	Oct 27 19:46
schestowitz	It sucks.	Oct 27 19:49
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schestowitz	OpenSUSE: small world… “A total of 75.11% (178 of 237) voters participated in the poll.” The turn-up was fantastic… not.	Oct 27 19:51
schestowitz	That’s openSUSE Board Election	Oct 27 19:52
twitter	Phoronix points the finger at the completely fair scheduler. Hmmm, don’t know.	Oct 27 19:52
schestowitz	Dow in the RED now. 2%	Oct 27 19:53
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twitter	How does openSUSE decide who votes? Code contribution?	Oct 27 19:53
schestowitz	NOVL at $3.90 (down sharply)	Oct 27 19:53
twitter	yepers.	Oct 27 19:53
schestowitz	twitter: they delayed the vote.	Oct 27 19:53
schestowitz	I guess it’s because of poor participation.	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	They have 4 Novell employees among a board of 10	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	==Non-Novell==	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Bleser, Pascal 148 45.96 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Yunashko, Bryen 69 21.43 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Linnell, Petee 42 13.04 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Rodriguez, Alex 30 9.32 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Pasanen, Tuukka 18 5.59 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Rusinek, Jakub 15 4.66 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Total: 322	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	==Novell==	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Vogelsang, Henne 126 38.18 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Mena-Quintero, Federico 86 26.06 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Shaw, Stephen 71 21.52 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Michna, Marco 47 14.24 %	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	Total: 330	Oct 27 19:54
twitter	M$ is taking a last minut dive. -3.7%	Oct 27 19:54
schestowitz	NOVL market cap: 1.35B	Oct 27 19:55
twitter	who voted for them?	Oct 27 19:55
schestowitz	NOV: $3.82	Oct 27 19:55
schestowitz	twitter: probably devs and volunteers but Novell staff too.	Oct 27 19:56
schestowitz	Some of them are like “unpaid staff”	Oct 27 19:56
schestowitz	I think they are better off helping companies that vend GNU/Linux not like Novell/Microsoft.	Oct 27 19:56
twitter	I think they would be better off working for a community like Debian.	Oct 27 19:57
schestowitz	NOVL market cap: 1.33B	Oct 27 19:57
schestowitz	twitter: yes, Debian could use some help. They’ll even get cookies for swatting bugs.	Oct 27 19:57
twitter	Better than a novell license	Oct 27 19:58
twitter	I like cookies	Oct 27 19:58
trmanco	http://wiki.iffii.com/index.cg…	Oct 27 19:59
schestowitz	Jupitermedia President Chris Cardell Resigns : http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/27/jupi…	Oct 27 19:59
schestowitz	The Dow is approaching the 7000s	Oct 27 20:01
trmanco	http://www.ioremap.net/node/37	Oct 27 20:03
twitter	Oh my. Welcome back to 1997, your money is no good here.	Oct 27 20:05
twitter	Skript kiddies! http://it.slashdot.org/article…	Oct 27 20:06
twitter	No skillz requires	Oct 27 20:06
schestowitz	Arrgh! I’m having a Ubuntu overload, I think.. Ubuntu fatigue.	Oct 27 20:06
twitter	A release every six months will do that.	Oct 27 20:06
schestowitz	“Reporting children as young as 11 swapping credit card details and asking for hacks, many are largely unskilled and thus more likely to get caught and arrested.”	Oct 27 20:06
schestowitz	11? I heard of 13 before.	Oct 27 20:07
schestowitz	First they do some time in jail, crack the Pentagon. Later, when they grow up a bit, they study a second language and grow pubes. Apparently Windows hacking is easier than all that…	Oct 27 20:07
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twitter	Some people take money from their mom’s purse. Others realize it’s easier to have things shipped to your door.	Oct 27 20:09
schestowitz	_Doug: check out! Now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi…	Oct 27 20:10
_Doug	hokey ..	Oct 27 20:11
twitter	” Many teenagers got into low level crime by looking for exploits and cracks for their favourite computer games.” Perhaps modifying your games should not be considered a crime.	Oct 27 20:12
twitter	If you call someone a thief long enough, they will steal for spite.	Oct 27 20:13
schestowitz	Or terrorists.	Oct 27 20:13
_Doug	the ‘Criminal Record Bureau’ is being used to exclude undesirables/activists from top jobs	Oct 27 20:13
schestowitz	You can see how segregation or daemonisation against Arabs does not help.	Oct 27 20:14
_Doug	of course when they don’t roll over and cop a plee, kiddie-porn is found on their computer ..	Oct 27 20:14
schestowitz	CRB?	Oct 27 20:14
twitter	” We have seen phishing sites that have broken images because the link, rather than reference the original webpage, is referencing a file on the C: drive that is not there” What was I saying about Windows kiddies and botnets a while back?	Oct 27 20:14
_Doug	Criminal Record Bureau ..	Oct 27 20:14
schestowitz	You know it??	Oct 27 20:15
_Doug	I wonder they don’t prosecute the software compamies for making such easly hacked system ?	Oct 27 20:15
twitter	_Doug I can believe that. Do you have link?	Oct 27 20:15
schestowitz	That may change.	Oct 27 20:15
_Doug	I don’t know it ..	Oct 27 20:15
schestowitz	Let me find the ref	Oct 27 20:15
schestowitz	From Richard rasker	Oct 27 20:15
_Doug	it’s funny this story pops up on the eve of patch-tuesday ..	Oct 27 20:16
schestowitz	http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/a…	Oct 27 20:17
twitter	It’s nice to see it rise up into the popular media, but I think it’s more an upgrade cycle thing. XP must die so that Vista won’t.	Oct 27 20:17
twitter	More on the kiddies ” Many post videos of what they have done to sites such as YouTube and sign on with the same alias used to hack a site, run a phishing attack or write a web exploit.” I know that twitter is a terrorist and all, the Army told me.	Oct 27 20:18
schestowitz	OK, I can’t find it. In a nutshell, El Reg posted an article about liability rules changing.	Oct 27 20:18
_Doug	remember the chief constable said that the real enemy was the urban middle-classes :O	Oct 27 20:18
schestowitz	In practice, it might be more progamatic if they just procured more secure software. Microsoft’s Jeff Jones and other dancing bears try to confuse them with lies though.	Oct 27 20:19
_Doug	UK Court rules on ISP liability	Oct 27 20:20
schestowitz	Does the middle class still exist, _Doug. it’s a dying breed.	Oct 27 20:20
_Doug	http://www.theregister.co.uk…	Oct 27 20:20
twitter	Dow wow wow. It’s dead, Roy.	Oct 27 20:21
_Doug	they are middle-class except they are all now poor and totally disillusioned and disaffected with the media circus ..	Oct 27 20:22
_Doug	eg: Al-Quieda using the heroin trade to finance terrorism ..	Oct 27 20:24
_Doug	eg1: venezuela pushing cocaine into the US through europe ..	Oct 27 20:25
_Doug	What has the Beebe been reduced to ?	Oct 27 20:25
schestowitz	NOVL is suffering today.	Oct 27 20:25
schestowitz	BBC? Where specifically?	Oct 27 20:26
schestowitz	I resent the media division of the BBC.	Oct 27 20:26
schestowitz	I also keep getting these letters that simply assume everyone has a TV set in their house. I gave mine away years ago.	Oct 27 20:27
_Doug	the media-circus division ..	Oct 27 20:27
schestowitz	Spin and manufactured consent division.	Oct 27 20:27
_Doug	and the news readers replaced with hot babes	Oct 27 20:27
schestowitz	“Use Vista… here are the instructions… it’s good for you… it has DRM ‘enablement’ and it ruins iPlayer… use it, try it, love it”	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	That’s what they actually do on the budget… writing howtos for products… well, ONE product… of a partner.	Oct 27 20:28
_Doug	they spread the BS on radio 5 at four am, when no-one would notice …	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	How much was Natasha paid again?	Oct 27 20:28
schestowitz	I saw something on TV the other month…	Oct 27 20:29
schestowitz	http://finance.yahoo.com…	Oct 27 20:30
_Doug	we need to start a war somewhere .. that way the US gov and donate masses of revenue to the arms manufacturers ..	Oct 27 20:33
_Doug	getting the people back to work ..	Oct 27 20:33
_Doug		Oct 27 20:33
schestowitz	That’s what I read.. with great concern.	Oct 27 20:34
_Doug	Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber ..	Oct 27 20:34
_Doug	http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_…	Oct 27 20:34
_Doug	your data is safe with us	Oct 27 20:34
schestowitz	The scary part is the need for a catalyst for military action… which means, well… had something happened here, then with all the unemployed people, military action and armament is not far fetched.	Oct 27 20:35
_Doug	Police fingerprints on street ..	Oct 27 20:37
_Doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/2…	Oct 27 20:37
schestowitz	Quite a few people this month seem to be searching for “novell layoffs”	Oct 27 20:39
schestowitz	More fingerprints=more security… like more patent = more innovation.	Oct 27 20:39
_Doug	catalyst: it was WW1 that financed the Wall Street bubble/crash of 1929	Oct 27 20:39
schestowitz	That’s what they say..	Oct 27 20:40
schestowitz	“after the war, the US emerged as the most powerful nation..” (from memory) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_sstDwKTCpM	Oct 27 20:41
_Doug	fingerprint: may reduce crime, but only at the cost of turning the place into a prison …	Oct 27 20:43
_Doug	fingerprints: The voters are totally disillusioned and fragmented, else there would be an outcry	Oct 27 20:44
_Doug	Police will use new device to take fingerprints in street	Oct 27 20:44
_Doug	repeat	Oct 27 20:44
schestowitz	It’s not that bad.	Oct 27 20:45
schestowitz	Verizon Reports 31 Percent Increase in Net Income : http://www.pcworld.com/article/152853…	Oct 27 20:45
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/152851/.html?tk=rss_news “European models will be offered with up to 160G-byte hard-disk drives on Windows XP models. Versions based on Ubuntu Linux are also planned, although they’ll have half the memory of the Windows versions and a maximum hard disk size of 120G-bytes. They also won’t support Bluetooth.”	Oct 27 20:46
schestowitz	When will the slide end? This is becoming rather scary. Sony, IT Stocks Hit Again as Tokyo Market Slides < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152849/.html?tk=rss_news >.	Oct 27 20:47
_Doug	later ..	Oct 27 20:48
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schestowitz	Japan’s young turn to Communist Party as they decide capitalism has let them down :	Oct 27 20:48
schestowitz	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/w…	Oct 27 20:48
trmanco	schestowitz, you sent some feedback to Novell for OGG videos?	Oct 27 21:00
schestowitz	No, but they noticed.	Oct 27 21:00
trmanco	?	Oct 27 21:00
schestowitz	There are Novell employees reading the site.	Oct 27 21:00
trmanco	That is good	Oct 27 21:01
trmanco	Well maybe	Oct 27 21:01
schestowitz	Good that they fixed it or good that more people understand that Novell and freedom are a coincidental intersection?	Oct 27 21:02
schestowitz	LOL http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diar…	Oct 27 21:03
schestowitz	New lizard in SUSE	Oct 27 21:03
schestowitz	The boss.	Oct 27 21:03
trmanco	they didn’t fix it yet	Oct 27 21:03
trmanco	when I said “good” I was referring to Novell’s employees reading BN	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	trmanco: they won’t. Maybe next year when Novell is a much smaller company	Oct 27 21:04
trmanco	smaller	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	Their value sank. I reckon they might announce layoffs before Xmas. They still get fed by Microsoft to be left alive.	Oct 27 21:04
schestowitz	Microsoft won’t let Novell die…. just as it fed SCO… for obvious reasons.	Oct 27 21:05
schestowitz	Microsoft has already invested almost half a billion in the Great Novell Scam… they also cut budgets by that amount. For an attack on the #1 rival (Linux), that’s slush funds.	Oct 27 21:06
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trmanco	I wonder how much money M$ still has left?	Oct 27 21:07
schestowitz	About $22bn	Oct 27 21:08
schestowitz	With over $30 left to fund buybacks, so that number will decline over time, with or without a Depression.	Oct 27 21:08
schestowitz	I suppose that a lot of the material I accumulate in BN (also on Saturdays, which is a lot of work) will come handy when Novell goes a little more hostile and we then need to look back and understand what happened. PJ still studies SCO in the 90s, which is hard (historian’s work).	Oct 27 21:08
trmanco	They should sell out to Google someday	Oct 27 21:10
trmanco	M$	Oct 27 21:10
schestowitz	LOL Says Novell: “With stock markets “yo-yoing” and credit tightening, companies are looking for ways to cut costs yet stay competitive.” Novell must know the feeling… http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=511	Oct 27 21:11
MinceR	“competitive” isn’t novell’s game though	Oct 27 21:11
trmanco	w00t	Oct 27 21:11
trmanco	“Novell is pleased to announce the availability of its OpenOffice.org Novell Edition for Windows.”	Oct 27 21:11
trmanco	I like AlbertoP’s comment	Oct 27 21:12
schestowitz	Well done, Alberto P.	Oct 27 21:13
schestowitz	“Next time maybe say “Windows and Linux”. Linux should be your preferential platform, at least according to what you write on your site. For your information OpenOffice 3.0 packages are not available yet for SUSE in the Build Service. Next time maybe prioritize your platform and then think to Windows.”	Oct 27 21:13
schestowitz	So what you have here is a SUSE community member complaining to Novell about preferring Windows or giving it special treatment.	Oct 27 21:13
schestowitz	There was a complaint about this almost 2 years ago.. Reverend Ted (Ted Haeger) announced OOo for Windows… with special addons Novell is only allowed to give the Windows version.	Oct 27 21:14
schestowitz	80% of OOo downloads are Windows.	Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz	Linux is about 7%	Oct 27 21:17
schestowitz	But GNU/Linux user obtain the s/w from their repos/clean distro install sometimes.	Oct 27 21:18
PetoKraus	well, who downloads from official page anyway	Oct 27 21:18
PetoKraus	gentoo mirrors the packages, even if they are using official releases/sources unaltered	Oct 27 21:18
PetoKraus	not talking about debian and stuff. everyone mirrors it.	Oct 27 21:18
trmanco	http://www.linux-gamers.net/modu…	Oct 27 21:19
schestowitz	PetoKraus: who downloads software in general?	Oct 27 21:20
schestowitz	Mostly Mac OS and Windows users. GNU/Linux has repos	Oct 27 21:21
schestowitz	They need to adapt their metrics. it’s like counting and measuring installed base based on sales alone (how many people have their machine preloaded with GNU/Linux anyway?)	Oct 27 21:21
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schestowitz	Nice viewer: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10075449-62.html	Oct 27 21:24
schestowitz	Odd duck: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wi…	Oct 27 21:33
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_Doug	Terrorist Recognition Handbook ..	Oct 27 21:43
_Doug	http://www.amazon.com/dp/14200…	Oct 27 21:43
schestowitz	Google breaks the law in India? http://www.medianama.com/2008/10/2…	Oct 27 21:43
schestowitz	http://www.reuters.com/article/technolog… Verizon, Klausner settle voice mail patent suit	Oct 27 21:43
schestowitz	http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Det… “Last week Marshall Phelps observed that Europe thinks it does not grant software patents, but that actually it does. When the enlarged board answers the president’s questions, maybe we can all have the same certainty as Microsoft’s VP of IP Strategy and Policy.”	Oct 27 21:44
schestowitz	“Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner’s Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, Second Edition (Paperback)” … “by Malcolm Nance “	Oct 27 21:45
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=m… “Malcolm W. Nance is a counter-terrorism and terrorism intelligence consultant for the U.S. government’s Special Operations, Homeland Security and …”	Oct 27 21:45
schestowitz	http://smallwarsjournal.com/bl…	Oct 27 21:46
schestowitz	Nice photo.. holding a rifle… the Big Terrorists (imperialistic invasions) versus the small ones.	Oct 27 21:47
_Doug	who’s gonna protect us from him ?	Oct 27 21:47
schestowitz	Mr. Ralph Nader.	Oct 27 21:50
_Doug	is he a third presedential candidate .. and would anyone know ?	Oct 27 21:52
schestowitz	No, I’m being cynical.	Oct 27 21:52
_Doug	“Patents on software are formally disallowed under the European patent system but are routinely granted by the European patent office, according to critics”	Oct 27 21:52
_Doug	http://news.cnet.com/2100-1012-6118063.html	Oct 27 21:52
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_Doug	“We have had enough of hidden agenda politics, it’s time for the commissioner to deliver some facts,”	Oct 27 21:53
_Doug	“The current rules in the European Patent Convention are out of date and leave a very wide decision-making power in the hands of examiners.” Charlie McGreevy ..	Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz	Brimelow delivered some answers, not facts.	Oct 27 21:54
_Doug	http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/current.php?art…	Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz	oops, I i meant “question”	Oct 27 21:54
schestowitz	Is it new? Where did you find it?	Oct 27 21:55
schestowitz	They entertained some serious GPLv3 FUD some months ago. I don’t trust this site.	Oct 27 21:55
_Doug	http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index.html	Oct 27 21:57
schestowitz	“An open source approach to open voting systems is essential to the integrity of our electoral process. Here’s a technical blueprint for securing the vote” http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10/27/44…	Oct 27 21:57
PetoKraus	so, michael labarel is performing the same benchmarks	Oct 27 21:58
PetoKraus	as on ubuntu	Oct 27 21:58
PetoKraus	on fedora… we’ll see if it’s just ubuntu sloppiness, or something upstream related	Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz	yes, he’s the good guy.	Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz	No need to question his motives.	Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz	Mono buntu	Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz	Very good: http://www.scriptumlibre.org/Boycott_Trend_Micro	Oct 27 21:59
schestowitz	Patent strategy=DISRUPTIVE (very!) INNOVA~1	Oct 27 22:01
_Doug	CODEWEAVERS’ SOFTWARE FREE FOR DOWNLOAD ..	Oct 27 22:01
_Doug	http://www.codeweavers.com/about/ge…	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	They have been planning this for a while.	Oct 27 22:01
schestowitz	Big step for migrations to GNU/Linux.	Oct 27 22:02
_Doug	how to get terrorism and hacker in the same sentence ..	Oct 27 22:02
_Doug	http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/t…	Oct 27 22:02
_Doug	is terrorism the new communism ?	Oct 27 22:03
schestowitz	Opposite?	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	Communism the new terrorism?	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	Just before you’d left I posted:	Oct 27 22:04
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schestowitz	<schestowitz> Japan’s young turn to Communist Party as they decide capitalism has let them down :	Oct 27 22:04
schestowitz	<schestowitz> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/…	Oct 27 22:04
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_Doug	then Japan must be ‘liberated’ forthwith ..	Oct 27 22:05
_Doug		Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/te… Searching for ‘hack’, no match found. You lied.	Oct 27 22:05
schestowitz	No, Japan is the new “Them”	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	“Them!” [points finger /]	Oct 27 22:06
_Doug	“US Army warns of Twitter danger” it’s there …	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	Yes, but nothing about hacks.	Oct 27 22:06
schestowitz	twitter should sue them for libel.	Oct 27 22:07
_Doug	taken with my previous links ..	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	Go Commando on the military, with Judge Judy.	Oct 27 22:07
_Doug	Is Terrorism the New Communism ..	Oct 27 22:07
_Doug	http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica…	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	What is this site?	Oct 27 22:07
schestowitz	Is it SFW?	Oct 27 22:07
_Doug	the State Department’s definition .. states terrorism is any of the following:	Oct 27 22:08
_Doug	By that criteria Uncle Sam is guilty of all them	Oct 27 22:08
_Doug	sfw ?	Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz	Sam?Sammy Davis Jr.?	Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz	Safe for work (SFW).	Oct 27 22:09
schestowitz	Loads of Lunix Nyoos today… good stuff.	Oct 27 22:10
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_Doug	‘This Intellectual Property Compliance License Agreement for Linux (“Agreement”) is made and entered into on the date last executed by and between The SCO Group, Inc., for itself or its Subsidiaries’	Oct 27 22:15
_Doug	http://lwn.net/Articles/43085/	Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz	Did you see SCO’s latest sponsor?	Oct 27 22:15
schestowitz	Sh*tel.	Oct 27 22:16
_Doug	got a link ?	Oct 27 22:16
_Doug	‘The Computer History Museum on Tuesday night honored three legends in the industry, including Linux creator Linus Torvalds’	Oct 27 22:17
_Doug	http://www.informationweek.com/news/so…	Oct 27 22:17
schestowitz	GNU/Linux TV Commercials for Dell.. http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/10/2…	Oct 27 22:17
_Doug	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=…	Oct 27 22:19
schestowitz	Wrong URL. Here’s the vid: http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=2827	Oct 27 22:19
schestowitz	Darl&Paul (Otellini) for precious IP?	Oct 27 22:20
_Doug	Hacker is ‘too sick’ to survive US extradition ..	Oct 27 22:20
_Doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/…	Oct 27 22:20
schestowitz	Sick of the system?	Oct 27 22:22
schestowitz	Asperger’s syndrome?	Oct 27 22:22
schestowitz	Isn’t that more of a condition than an illness?	Oct 27 22:23
_Doug	is meaningless .. a set of behaviors .. no one would notice your Aspergers in the IT industry ..	Oct 27 22:24
_Doug	What’s curious about the case is that the UK has no recriminate right of extradition from the US	Oct 27 22:25
_Doug	not a real country anaways	Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz	State.	Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz	51st	Oct 27 22:26
schestowitz	Decent film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0227984/	Oct 27 22:27
_Doug	Syria condemns US raid as ‘act of terrorist aggression’ ..	Oct 27 22:31
_Doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2…	Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz	US is big.	Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz	Big can’t be “terrorism”	Oct 27 22:31
_Doug	Is this George Wa’s attempt to boos support for McCain .. eg strong on terr’ism	Oct 27 22:31
schestowitz	It’s like dingy and Big Ship	Oct 27 22:32
_Doug	License free code from us, or we’ll sue, says Microsoft’s IP lawyer ..	Oct 27 22:40
_Doug	InfoWorld: So you’re not going to tell me what those patents were today?	Oct 27 22:40
_Doug	Gutierrez: No, I will say this: Microsoft publishes every patent that Microsoft gets issued and we have had deeper, detailed discussions in the context of private licensing conversations, which, by the way, is the practice that every technology company follows. So to answer your question, yes, we have divulged them. We have talked about them with a number of companies that have shown…	Oct 27 22:40
_Doug	…interest in having a good faith licensing discussion with Microsoft.	Oct 27 22:40
_Doug	InfoWorld: Can you tell me what one or two of them were?	Oct 27 22:40
_Doug	Gutierrez: I can tell you that there have been a number of them and no, those conversations are business conversations that we tend not to divulge.	Oct 27 22:40
_Doug	http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/columnists/doubletake…	Oct 27 22:40
schestowitz	Microsoft will deliver us a future flowered with (floored by?) INNOVA~1	Oct 27 22:41
_Doug	“Task list window for use in an integrated development environment “	Oct 27 22:41
_Doug	http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P…	Oct 27 22:41
_Doug	\|”As the developer edits source code, warnings and coding errors are detected and inserted as tasks in a task list.”	Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz	Does MonoDevelop infinge?	Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz	Do me a favour if you have the time.	Oct 27 22:42
schestowitz	Find patents Mono may infringe. If we can show it to Miguel, we can remove the problem by making a statement.	Oct 27 22:43
_Doug	“, if the source code contains the comment, “/TODO: Need to add copyright text/”, the parser 204 adds the task “TODO: Need to add copyright text” to the task list”	Oct 27 22:43
_Doug	MonoDevelop .. I’ll look tomorrow	Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz	So the inovation is that error messages are not just shown but also thrown is some stack of output. Wow! I would never have thought of that! Just WOW!	Oct 27 22:44
schestowitz	Sounds like an ad hoc hack that any hacker might think of on the fly.	Oct 27 22:45
_Doug	they’ve patented an embedded TODO list in the source code ?	Oct 27 22:45
_Doug	assert()	Oct 27 22:45
schestowitz	I edit my refs in Kate and I have my own ‘methods’ too… but that’s not a patent. It’s “Tricks and Tips”(C)	Oct 27 22:45
schestowitz	Prior art?	Oct 27 22:46
_Doug	http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/webmo…	Oct 27 22:46
_Doug	graphical alerts to keyword allocated events ?	Oct 27 22:46
schestowitz	Microsoft is assert()ing its patent rights.	Oct 27 22:47
_Doug	Netbook runs Debian on China-made CPU ..	Oct 27 22:49
_Doug	http://www.linuxdevices.com/n…	Oct 27 22:49
schestowitz	Yes, that’s excellent news. Intel could be toast for margins.	Oct 27 22:49
schestowitz	$98 laptop…(with GNU/Linux): http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-lin…	Oct 27 22:50
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_Doug	NeuLion IPTV set-top runs Linux —	Oct 27 22:51
_Doug	http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6706106369.html	Oct 27 22:51
_Doug	hi ‘fumanchu2175′ how are things in da deep south ?	Oct 27 22:52
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schestowitz	You scared the waaabits.	Oct 27 22:52
schestowitz	Microsoft Agent ‘cj’ is gone.	Oct 27 22:53
schestowitz	There is still a SUSE rep here though. Probably also a Microsoft one because the trolls from COLA lurk here.	Oct 27 22:53
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