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11.03.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 2nd, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:03 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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macabe Back in ’68 part of our Ranger training included 2 weeks survival in Pensacola (everglades). The need to know hunger first hand. Nov 02 00:00
macabe And how to deal with it or let it beat you. Nov 02 00:01
schestowitz That’s an ordeal Nov 02 00:03
schestowitz Greater than grilling from the Judge or even a pie in the face. Ah wel… Nov 02 00:03
schestowitz I particularly liked this video of BillG: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10… Nov 02 00:04
schestowitz He talks to the justice authorities as though he owns them (well, he does not… own the DoJ using cronies they planted there in the last 90s) Nov 02 00:05
macabe He’s condescending, real squiggly, and the last part (the rocking); grandpa always said to me, “Whenever you see a person rocking back and forth, when talking to you, pay close attention. It’s a sign of mental instability”. Nov 02 00:13
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schestowitz [OT: the death of professional journalism: http://blogs.computerworld.com/win... "Linux" "Kill" "Die" "War" And someone found the troll noteworthy for InfoWeek and therefore news aggregations... http://www.informationweek.com/blog/... ] Nov 02 00:18
schestowitz BillG cried in July. Nov 02 00:19
macabe What day in July? Maybe the lobbyists can push for a national holiday. Nov 02 00:25
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkf0iJnWmE Nov 02 00:26
schestowitz Wikia shrinks and Wales speaks. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales expects internet downturn but no ‘bloodbath’ < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysecto… > Nov 02 00:30
schestowitz Sun’s damage control. Half-full glass analogy again.. Understanding Sun’s Business – Q1 Results < http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/understa… >; The Sun Model < http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/the_sun_model > Nov 02 00:31
macabe Chair throwing, Crocodile tears. Used car salesman as CEO. Too bad Gates didn’t really retire. Nov 02 00:36
schestowitz Sun should really rely on their software spreading as widely as possible, so Sun should consider giving a properly-licensed ZFS to Linux and ‘seed’ the market. It didn’t work out too badly for some guy called Linus. Morton objected to an OpenSolaris merge, but ZFS alone makes more sense. Look how much value MySQL gained by giving its wares away. Nov 02 00:36
schestowitz macabe: no, he didn’t retire. Nov 02 00:37
schestowitz I’ve always viewed this CNET (Paul Allen-backed) as image building for Microsoft. “Let’s show a sentimental side…” Nov 02 00:37
schestowitz Smears against Obama dissected: Anatomy of a Smear < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/1/53153 > “We’ve got our “October Surprise”. IMO the Republicans behind this are bottom-feeders. No, maybe worms that eat dead bottom-feeders.” Nov 02 00:40
macabe OK, minute of sentiment over.  Been using ZFS fuse on IBM T61, I guess because of fuse, didn’t really see a difference. I heard Sun was going to open the source for ZFS. Nov 02 00:41
schestowitz I asked Simon for it. :-) Not that I matter much, but maybe if enough people ask for GPL-only, then it’ll happen. Nov 02 00:42
schestowitz Sun is hurting, which is s shame. They have a very cure Web site with good fonts.   2008 Corporate Social Responsibility Report < http://www.sun.com/aboutsu… >. We need to help Sun. We **need** them…  for Java, for OOo… Nov 02 00:43
schestowitz Hehe. Search Google for “novell” < http://www.google.com/search?q=novell >, get Boycott Novell in page 1 again. We used to be further up near the top though. Nov 02 00:49
MinceR gn Nov 02 01:07
schestowitz …Why do professionals use a kiddie thing like Twitter? … http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=2731 What’s next? MySpace for CEOs? Nov 02 01:09
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schestowitz *LOL* http://www.mixx.com/stories/2652248/… “Founded in 1975, Microsoft is the worldwide leader in bribery, extortion, blackmail and customer abuse.” Nov 02 01:41
macabe Why does it need a proprietary drive? Nov 02 01:49
schestowitz Microsoft faces uncertain financial future as it looks to the cloud < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsofts_finan… > “Ozzie, a software pioneer known for creating Lotus Notes, joined Microsoft in 2005. ” So first they “tilt him into the death spiral” and now they hire him? Nov 02 01:50
schestowitz macabe ZFS? Nov 02 01:50
twitter When you ruin a company, you can pick up the assets for pennies on the dollar.  Ozzie was an asset, it seems. Nov 02 01:51
schestowitz They snapped a key Java guy recently. Nov 02 01:52
macabe MS paying Sun for ZFS? Nov 02 01:52
schestowitz Crispin Cowen from Novell too. Nov 02 01:52
schestowitz macabe: no, they pay Ozzie, having sabotaged his business. Nov 02 01:52
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schestowitz Rick thinks of abandoning KDE. :-( http://www.deviceguru.com/ubuntu-810-… Nov 02 02:10
twitter Hmm, that would make Ozzie a different kind of asset. Nov 02 02:12
twitter Gnome annoys me. Nov 02 02:14
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schestowitz Because of the founder? Nov 02 02:14
twitter Because of how it is. Nov 02 02:15
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twitter The defaults are annoying.  File browsing, desktop switching, paging.  Things work, sometimes very well but the desktop environment always drives me nuts. Nov 02 02:17
twitter E16 works for me. Nov 02 02:17
twitter KDE’s modularity lets me have E16 and the kicker to hold most of the KDE goodies. Nov 02 02:17
twitter The split top bottom menu for Gnome was never something I really liked going all the way back to Gnome 1 in Red Hat 5 Nov 02 02:18
twitter Pidgin, gnome terminal, gedit, gnumeric and a few other things are all excellent but the desktop just drives me nuts. Nov 02 02:21
schestowitz GTK is still good. Nov 02 02:21
twitter I imagine it is for so many applications to work so well. Nov 02 02:22
twitter Compiz Fusion might rip me away from E16, but that’s only because it has essentially the same features E16 gives me projected into 3D. Nov 02 02:22
twitter pagers become cubes Nov 02 02:23
twitter It requires 3d acceleration for things done well in 2d by E16 Nov 02 02:24
twitter I cringe when I hear Konqueror may go the way of other dumber browsers.  I can’t imagine that would be allowed to happen. Nov 02 02:26
schestowitz Konqueror stays. Nov 02 02:28
schestowitz Dolphin just becomes default choice. Nov 02 02:29
twitter Once upon a time, M$ funneled bad tools and advice onto their competitors at Lotus.  I see the Gnome people making the same mistakes.  Hopefully the KDE people will be smarter. Nov 02 02:29
twitter Defaults matter. Nov 02 02:29
twitter I can’t judge Dolphin because I have not used it, but the open everything in tabs that can be split anyway you like is unbeatable. Nov 02 02:30
twitter Opening everything in separate windows is a stupid and confusing waste of screen real estate. Nov 02 02:31
twitter A cluttered desktop sucks. Nov 02 02:32
twitter I know you can change the defaults, but what a pain that is. Nov 02 02:32
schestowitz Dolphon should get tabs too. Nov 02 02:33
twitter Yes, I’ve read that the infrastructure is there for everything normal, it’s just not exposed yet. Nov 02 02:34
schestowitz Hmmm… BN in  SUSEForums?? http://forums.opensuse.org/s… Nov 02 02:34
twitter KDE should not make itself into a copy of Gnome by default. Nov 02 02:34
twitter That would eliminate a healthy choice. Nov 02 02:35
schestowitz GL seems to be declining if some numbers are anything to judge by. Nov 02 02:37
twitter Well, the SCO case is over. Nov 02 02:38
schestowitz Yes. Nov 02 02:38
schestowitz Not quite though. Nov 02 02:38
schestowitz The comments you see in FP says a lot.. http://www.groklaw.net/index.php Nov 02 02:38
schestowitz It used to be like 200-300 in each. Slashdot suffers a similar fate as so do other ‘big’ Linux sites because there are more and more blogs out there. Nov 02 02:39
twitter Let M$ launch a patent lawsuit and GL will get back up. Nov 02 02:39
schestowitz I like Phoronix. It’s gotten big. Nov 02 02:39
twitter The trolls may have left GL alone, that reduces comments. Nov 02 02:40
schestowitz hAl et al. Nov 02 02:40
twitter Why would W.E. people bother with GL right now? Nov 02 02:40
twitter gotta go, good night Nov 02 02:41
schestowitz OMG Nov 02 02:42
schestowitz Shills… Yankee and Gartner throw FUD at Android. http://www.pcworld.com/article… Nov 02 02:42
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/15… ( Acer Forecasts Strong Holiday Season ); http://www.pcworld.com/articl… ( Acer Netbook Shipments to Beat Asus’s Eee PC ) Nov 02 02:54
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20081… “just how such a database will be abused — either by gov’t officials or by hackers. It sounds like the bill still has a ways to go before becoming law, but this appears to be yet another move by a government to mistakenly assert that taking away people’s privacy somehow makes them more secure.” Nov 02 02:58
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*ZiggyFish1 lmao Nov 02 05:58
ZiggyFish1 I wanted to see what they would say when I asked them about Linux support Silverlight. And the first line of the reply was ‘Thank you for requesting support for Microsoft Silverlight for Mac. My name is Kendal and I will be working with you to resolve this issue.’ Nov 02 06:00
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schestowitz Antarctica hit by climate change < http://www.nature.com/news/2008/0… > Nov 02 09:54
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schestowitz Corruption in government: PM ‘used crony to fix nuclear power inquiry’ < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politic… > Nov 02 10:23
schestowitz Government coordinating propaganda: Government Agencies Pre-emptively Spin the Bush Years  [...] An e-mail went out last week to government agencies to get working on a project to lay out ‘THE BUSH RECORD,’” reports Al Kamen. < http://www.prwatch.org/node/7831 > Nov 02 10:25
MinceR geekings Nov 02 12:10
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schestowitz *LOL* Novell and Microsoft… http://tirania.org/blog/arch… Nov 02 12:35
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twitter good morning.  /. has the ultimate M$ advertisement.  They give the soft a place to publish vaporware promises and push Silverblight this morning.  http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… Nov 02 13:51
schestowitz heh. Nov 02 13:53
twitter pptx, that’s M$ Office’s version of their OOXML? Nov 02 13:53
schestowitz Given what I’ve said about Slashdot selling out it funny to see “Karma: Excellent” Nov 02 13:53
schestowitz same when I tossed dirt at Digg. Nov 02 13:53
schestowitz I was the most prolific commenter there when I said the site had lost its way Nov 02 13:53
twitter It’s not a matter of tossing dirt as much as it is not being misled Nov 02 13:54
twitter Looking at the pdf of Miguel’s talk.  pdf looks like crap bit map conversion. Nov 02 13:56
twitter Sponsored by Novell, Directed by Contributors.  That’s true if you don’t specify the type of contribution. Nov 02 13:57
twitter “ECMA specifications make it possible” LOL Nov 02 13:57
MinceR pdf is crap Nov 02 13:59
twitter pdf works fine if you use something sane like LaTex Nov 02 13:59
twitter The font differences on page 6, “APIs”, make it look like “Third Party” is an afterthought. Nov 02 14:00
MinceR it’s still an unnecessary and non-portable variation on postscript Nov 02 14:01
MinceR i have lots of pdfs that work differently in different viewers Nov 02 14:01
twitter my ps thesis was about 300MB, my pdf thesis is about 4MB.  it’s too bad people have made portability problems but those almost always have M$ at their source. Nov 02 14:06
twitter At page 22 of 57, bullshit overflow, I’m bored, I quit. Nov 02 14:09
twitter So is Miguel an Office 2007 user?  If so why? Nov 02 14:10
schestowitz Wait. Nov 02 14:11
schestowitz I think there was something about him praising Excel. Nov 02 14:11
schestowitz Maybe it was in the blog of Joe Shaw. Nov 02 14:11
schestowitz But it was partly a joke, IIRC. Nov 02 14:11
twitter He obviously use Power Point to make that 57 page nasty.  Did he do it because he loves Power Point or because M$ gave him his outline? Nov 02 14:12
MinceR this particular probability problem has adobe at its source Nov 02 14:12
MinceR and you can gzip that ps if you need to Nov 02 14:12
twitter “Here, Monkey Boy, use this slide show.” Nov 02 14:12
MinceR s/proba/porta/ Nov 02 14:12
MinceR hm, now we have two Monkey Boys. Nov 02 14:13
twitter gzip won’t get me 2 orders of magnitude.  There are many slaves in Redmond. Nov 02 14:13
MinceR and he must love powerpoint since he loves ooxml. Nov 02 14:13
MinceR have you tried gzip? Nov 02 14:13
schestowitz Mono Boys Nov 02 14:13
MinceR it depends on the text that is to be compressed Nov 02 14:13
twitter the portability issue comes from fonts Nov 02 14:14
MinceR and bad font handling Nov 02 14:14
twitter M$ has their own special fonts they won’t let anyone else have anymore Nov 02 14:14
MinceR they’ve probably neglected to specify how their own program handles them Nov 02 14:14
twitter M$ fonts suck anyway Nov 02 14:14
MinceR this has nothing to do with m$ fonts Nov 02 14:14
twitter you don’t think? Nov 02 14:14
MinceR and fonts are pretty much the only usable thing coming out of m$ Nov 02 14:15
twitter says a lot about M$ Nov 02 14:15
MinceR i’m pretty sure none of the fonts affected in my nonportable pdfs are from m$ Nov 02 14:15
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MinceR well, they didn’t develop the fonts, just bought them Nov 02 14:15
MinceR and since then i’ve already found that Charter looks better than Sylfaen anyway. Nov 02 14:15
MinceR (not to mention Melior/ZapfElliptical711) Nov 02 14:15
twitter bought them and put them under a rock.  ”true type” is one of their last sticking points, no one else wants that obsolete crap Nov 02 14:16
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MinceR and Bitstream Vera Sans/DejaVu Sans looks better than Verdana if the font hinting is set properly Nov 02 14:16
MinceR (otherwise they’re kind of ugly) Nov 02 14:16
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twitter there are hundreds of good fonts made by the LaTex people.  A lot of Bitstream fonts have been liberated. Nov 02 14:17
twitter M$ will go their own way, as usual. Nov 02 14:17
twitter OOXML will look like ass, even if you do have a translator because of font issues.  It’s the M$ way. Nov 02 14:18
twitter breakage of pdf is a bonus for them. Nov 02 14:18
twitter Because there are hundreds of high quality, royalty free fonts, none of that has to happen. Nov 02 14:19
twitter Source:  Redmond. Nov 02 14:19
MinceR in any case, a non-portable format shouldn’t have “portable” in its name. Nov 02 14:21
MinceR and adobe should have closed shop after developing postscript because nothing good has ever come out of them since. Nov 02 14:22
macabe Guys thanks for getting into fonts. I’m running gnu-sense on eeepc 1000 need to make fonts look better. don’t want MS fonts. Nov 02 14:23
MinceR np Nov 02 14:24
MinceR i got Eurostile and ZapfElliptical711 at http://www.webpagepublicity.com/ , but i’m still not 100% sure it’s legal for all uses :) Nov 02 14:25
macabe Currently using the usual plus added Liberation. Lib Mono very nice for me at term. Nov 02 14:27
twitter apt-cache search fonts will give you a list.  the LaTex people have additional fonts Nov 02 14:31
twitter Nice Novell/SCO article on BN front page. Nov 02 14:32
macabe Will try that, Euro & ZAP, thanks. Nov 02 14:32
MinceR i can also recommend DejaVu Sans and DejaVu Sans Mono (identical to Bitstream Vera Mono and Bitstream Vera Mono Sans but with more characters) Nov 02 14:33
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twitter There’s been a spurt of Wintel “Vista is Dead” articles. Nov 02 14:56
twitter This one from June 1st, http://slashdot.org/~twitter… Nov 02 14:57
twitter Followed last week by Joe Wilcox http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista… and Channel Web http://www.crn.com/software/211800614 Nov 02 14:58
twitter These had a few echos and there may be more. Nov 02 14:59
twitter Ding, dong, the Vista bitch is dead. Nov 02 14:59
twitter :) Nov 02 14:59
twitter Vista 7 will do about the same but faster, despite journalist policing. Nov 02 15:02
schestowitz twitter: no. Nov 02 15:05
schestowitz There’s lots of disinfo about Vista 7 Nov 02 15:05
schestowitz Microsoft bribed journalists and bloggers whom it gaver Vista 7 laptops Nov 02 15:05
schestowitz I shall write about it in a moment, but to make a long story short, they used the same old tricks to create anticipation  for another Mojave Nov 02 15:06
schestowitz If you, can please accumulate posts and article about Vista 7 Nov 02 15:06
schestowitz I happen to collect some and post them in BN occasionally, but I have no index for them. Nov 02 15:06
schestowitz If you can build up and prepare a details list with one-line summaries of flaws, that would be a great attack vector when Vista 7 approaches release. Nov 02 15:07
twitter I’ve started such a beast, but basically it’s Vista 2.0.  http://slashdot.org/~twitt… Nov 02 15:08
twitter I’ll be looking around. Nov 02 15:09
twitter Vista 7 does not launch till 2010 Nov 02 15:09
twitter That will make 9 years since they pushed out XP, which was itself an intrusive flop people resisted. Nov 02 15:10
schestowitz Add to the list the “critical” flaw. Nov 02 15:11
twitter Which one? Nov 02 15:11
schestowitz It could already be breached without user intervention. Nov 02 15:12
schestowitz Microsoft will try to flog Vista 7 as most secure ever (because they can argue anything when the produce does not yet exist) Nov 02 15:12
twitter Ah, security flaws.  That’s a given.  I’ll have to put that in there. Nov 02 15:12
twitter I’ll also have to quote the SLOG.DOC about vaporware. Nov 02 15:13
schestowitz To add: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10… “The more than 6,000 attendees who will be walking away from the sold-out  event with the Windows 7 operating system software in hand could have been vulnerable to an attacker exploiting the security hole.” Nov 02 15:14
twitter thanks Nov 02 15:15
twitter I’m amazed.  The article was updated to say M$ patched the flaw a week before PDC but did not fix their DVDs! Nov 02 15:33
twitter I’m not sure if they did that because they were too cheap to redo the DVD or they know M$ security is a lost cause. Nov 02 15:34
twitter There, that looks better http://slashdot.org/~twitt… Nov 02 15:39
twitter Looking at the SLOG.DOC.  ha ha.  Ozzie got through step 12 of the Slog, ” Victory.  The developers, marketers, and managers of the competing technology give up the sinking ship, and interview for positions at Microsoft.” Nov 02 15:43
schestowitz Just got an interesting E-mail: “I’ve been grinding through my list of things to do from the spring / summer.  One item was to approach the MS problem as white collar crime.” Nov 02 16:11
schestowitz “I spoke with a few law enforcement people and criminologists during my visit this summer.  None are really prepared to take on “technology” so that has been a solid cover for a lot of crime. I’ve begun reading one of the recommended books on the topic: “Trusted Criminals: White Collar Crime in Contemporary Society. David O. Friedrichs.  Wadsworth Publishing.  (1995)”" Nov 02 16:11
schestowitz “The first chapter, where white collar crime is defined, is almost a word-for-word description about how MSFTers operate.” Nov 02 16:11
twitter http://docs.google.com/View?… http://docs.google.com/Present?doci… http://docs.google.com/Present?docid… Nov 02 16:21
twitter via http://www.groklaw.net/article… Nov 02 16:22
schestowitz Jobs nobody needed anyway… http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-1007963… ( Symantec layoffs coming ) Nov 02 16:31
twitter Friend of Foe, M$ crushes them all. Nov 02 16:33
schestowitz We all pay the price. 1 Trojan + 3 years = 500,000 online financial accounts < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10079593-8… >. The cost and burden is shared by everyone who has  a bank account. Nov 02 16:34
schestowitz Got to love Google’s sense of humour! Google jokesters ward off zombies < http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10079… > Nov 02 16:34
schestowitz Microsoft, despite its rave about R&D, is last among the pack.. always behind in the Web… http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_10… Nov 02 16:37
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_doug keeping the campaign clean .. “Lawsuit Challenging Obama’s Birth Place” Nov 02 16:57
_doug http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/ohio… Nov 02 16:57
schestowitz Arnie… Nov 02 17:01
schestowitz bbk Nov 02 17:01
schestowitz bbl Nov 02 17:01
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_doug MS indefinitely loans 2.4GHz 3GB dual-core .. Nov 02 17:07
_doug http://blogs.computerworld.co… Nov 02 17:07
_doug laptops .. Nov 02 17:08
_doug Bomb-proof bins comming to London .. Nov 02 17:29
_doug http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/… Nov 02 17:29
twitter France drops off the free net http://yro.slashdot.org/article.p… Nov 02 17:41
_doug Microsoft’s Linux killer? .. Nov 02 17:42
_doug http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows… Nov 02 17:42
_doug the Age of Open Source ideas .. Nov 02 17:51
_doug http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/paten… Nov 02 17:51
_doug OpenSUSE opens up to non-Novell employees .. Nov 02 18:06
_doug http://news.cnet.com/8301-13… Nov 02 18:06
_doug benJIman: would you tell us why you hang out on this channel day-after-day without contributing anything ? Nov 02 18:08
_doug ping benJIman: what’s your opinion on the ’1st openSUSE Board Election’ ? Nov 02 18:11
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_doug openSUSE Elects Community Board .. Nov 02 18:18
_doug http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxpla… Nov 02 18:18
_doug benJIman: any thought on the subject ? Nov 02 18:18
_doug “the Software may Not Be Sold, Transferred, or further distributed Without prior written authorization From Novell” Nov 02 18:22
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_doug Novell Pre-Release Software License Agreement ..  EULA.txt. Nov 02 18:23
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_doug PetroKRaus: OpenSuSE opens up to non-Novell employees .. Nov 02 18:24
_doug http://news.cnet.com/83… Nov 02 18:24
_doug “You may make and distribute unlimited copies of the Software outside Your organization provided that: 1) You receive no consideration” Nov 02 18:25
_doug http://lwn.net/Articles/283566/ Nov 02 18:25
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_doug movie quote quiz .. Nov 02 18:37
_doug me first :] Nov 02 18:37
_doug “I like the French .. they taste of Chicken” Nov 02 18:37
_doug answer .. ? Nov 02 18:38
_doug last chance … ? Nov 02 18:39
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_doug answer: Hannibal Lecter Nov 02 18:40
twitter Vista and Vista 7 are M$’s M$ killer Nov 02 18:41
_doug what’s the question ? Nov 02 18:41
twitter is Vista 7 a GNU/Linux killer? Nov 02 18:41
twitter you asked Nov 02 18:42
twitter the world already answered Nov 02 18:42
_doug movie quiz #2: Nov 02 18:44
_doug in what movie did both ‘Christopher Walken’ and ‘James Gandolfini’ appear in and they both ‘sang’ ? Nov 02 18:44
_doug 30 seconds .. Nov 02 18:44
_doug 20 seconds .. Nov 02 18:45
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_doug + or – :) Nov 02 18:46
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_doug -1 Nov 02 18:46
_doug just kidding .. Nov 02 18:46
_doug answer: ‘Romance & Cigarettes’ Nov 02 18:46
_doug Christopher Walken as Cousin Bo: Roe… was my first love, I traced her name in cow shit, she was my first, my last, my everything Nov 02 18:47
_doug Cousin Bo: Only with Roe. With other chicks, I’m Barry White… I go to the meat market Nov 02 18:47
_doug :] Nov 02 18:47
_doug wanna see something really weird .. ? Nov 02 18:49
_doug ‘Eddie Izzard’ does an impression of ‘Christopher Walken’ Nov 02 18:50
_doug http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JF1ANz… Nov 02 18:50
_doug WalkenTheWalk .. http://walkenthewalk.com/ Nov 02 18:52
_doug movie quote quiz #3: “a special tree qrows hidden, the tree of life, they say whover drinks of its sap will ive for ever” Nov 02 19:08
_doug last chance … Nov 02 19:10
_doug http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex… Nov 02 19:10
_doug gtg .. it’s been interesting .. about as interesting as watching your toenails grow … Nov 02 19:11
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schestowitz I’ll do a quick post about Microsoft + Vista 7 laptops. _doug seems to have gotten frustrated… Nov 02 20:17
twitter thanks, _doug did not have much to say Nov 02 20:23
twitter There’s a confused article about EEEPC in Slashdot.  One thing is sure, Asus and or Xandros have been screwed.  http://www.digitimes.com… Nov 02 20:25
twitter Asus is shipping 7 XP netbooks for every 3 Linux netbooks Nov 02 20:25
twitter Good luck finding and buying a GNU/Linux EEEPC now.  M$ choice is always buy M$ or nothing. Nov 02 20:26
schestowitz twitter: he’s impatient. Nov 02 20:33
schestowitz Microsoft gives Windows away..  almost for free now… it can’t keep up with Free software this way. It needs income and Office is under similar threat of margins going slim, due to SaaS and F/OSS. Nov 02 20:36
schestowitz Microsoft seems to have disseminated Vista 7 only among its fans. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/ar… Nov 02 20:45
twitter Ah the gift of Vista.  Anger too is a gift. Nov 02 20:46
schestowitz More FUD from the Vole. Nov 02 20:48
schestowitz “The cross-platform reach of .NET and Silverlight development does not natively extend to Linux clients, which Microsoft says are too limited a niche to warrant dedicated development.” Nov 02 20:48
schestowitz Too limited, eh? Nov 02 20:48
schestowitz Like… they can run on thousands of processors? Nov 02 20:49
schestowitz They are used by Hollywood studios and on mission-critical desktops? Nov 02 20:49
schestowitz Further it says: “Microsoft has outsourced that effort, offering technical support to the open source Mono and Moonlight projects headed by Miguel de Icaza and sponsored by SuSE Linux vendor Novell.” Nov 02 20:49
schestowitz Source? Microsoft press, of course: http://reddevnews.com/news/devnews/ar… Nov 02 20:49
twitter Where does that Infoweek article say anything about only giving Vista 7 to friends? Nov 02 20:50
twitter I read something about 6,000 people paying their ticket for a DVD with critical flaws. Nov 02 20:51
schestowitz twitter: I got the impression that early builds were given to Microsoft’s slected one. Nov 02 20:53
schestowitz Although I think an alpha is out there in torrent now. Either way, it’s mostly Microsoft blogs that spread the word about Vista 7. That’s not impartial. Nov 02 20:53
schestowitz Their aim is to raise expectations so that business do not depart from Windows altogether. Nov 02 20:55
twitter All of that is par for the course. Nov 02 20:56
schestowitz The audio here is good: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/10/h… Worth blogging about (or one for your journal)… it busts myths. Nov 02 20:57
twitter cool Nov 02 21:00
schestowitz No charges but US may never release Guantánamo Chinese < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/… > Nov 02 21:04
schestowitz Linux hater talks about LinuxHater: http://www.itwire.com/content… Nov 02 21:09
schestowitz Matthew Garrett: http://mjg59.livejournal.com… Nov 02 21:22
twitter ITWire, “I firmly believe that Windows is the better choice for most people today.”  ?!!! Nov 02 21:26
twitter This has to be satire, ” Windows is easier to install, easier to use, has the widest range of consumer, business and gaming software, has the widest hardware compatibility and much nicer people to help you when things go wrong. “ Nov 02 21:26
schestowitz It’s not a satire. He hates Linux. Nov 02 21:30
twitter That’s not hate, it’s ignorance. Nov 02 21:30
twitter There’s one thing the SLOG.DOC reinforces more than anything else.  M$ is dead without community support.  Their whole business model is about harvesting the work of others. Nov 02 21:32
schestowitz Yes, that predates the Slog Doc. Nov 02 21:32
twitter If community makes software worth while, the community might as well chose software that’s free. Nov 02 21:34
schestowitz My post number 4441 < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/31… > possibly explains the white-collar crime with an example. The developers wish to share the loot with the criminal org. It’s like fish attaching themselves to a shark. Nov 02 21:41
schestowitz Microsoft needs developers and user lockin. That’s why they possess medical data now. Think SGI. Bankruptcy protection. Nov 02 21:42
schestowitz A friend of mine wrote earlier: “So basically the hypothetical threat is that, should MS go under, all of MS data format specifications become assets tied up in court while debtors fight against each other.  I’d expect they’d unite from time to time to prevent someone else from using these ‘assets’.  Yet another reason why open standards, like ODF, are a good strategy.” Nov 02 21:42
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GoblinRFD hello, everyone! Roy it was a great article today. Nov 02 22:11
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schestowitz Hey there. Nov 02 22:14
schestowitz GoblinRFD: which one? Nov 02 22:14
schestowitz The last one was crap. I wrote it quickly with juvenile language. Nov 02 22:14
GoblinRFD I liked it! (maybe thats my mentality!) Nov 02 22:15
GoblinRFD the MS laptops scam one Nov 02 22:15
schestowitz http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/Wh… “Item: Companies don’t hire people. People hire people.” < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Micros… > “Ozzie, a software pioneer known for creating Lotus Notes, joined Microsoft in 2005. “ Nov 02 22:15
GoblinRFD Have you heard, over here in the UK the BBC is looking at an open source project for delivering DRM free material? Nov 02 22:16
schestowitz They lied about DRM Nov 02 22:20
GoblinRFD DId they? Nov 02 22:20
schestowitz They got slammed so badly that they ra away to Flash, which was a compromise. Suddetly, the need for DRM became a lie. Nov 02 22:21
GoblinRFD ah. Nov 02 22:21
schestowitz There’s lots about it in BN. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=… Nov 02 22:21
GoblinRFD I should have known!  I am happy though that they are giving more exposure to the open source scene. Nov 02 22:22
GoblinRFD LOL, is there any subject related to MS/Novell or opensource you havent covered!!!!!! – Its a sweet site! Nov 02 22:25
schestowitz I am looking at past things these days. Nov 02 22:27
schestowitz Prior to the deal. Nov 02 22:27
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schestowitz Groklaw does the same, looking at SCO/Caldera in the 90s. Nov 02 22:27
schestowitz I’m finding some interesting Microsoft/Novell stories at the moment, inc. blackmail, corruption, money laundering, etc. Nov 02 22:28
schestowitz Now it’s the time to ‘do some old laundry’… or bring back old sins. Nov 02 22:28
GoblinRFD Ill look forward to them!!! Nov 02 22:29
GoblinRFD Ive got many of my collegues interested at work in your blog. Nov 02 22:29
GoblinRFD Unfortunately at work I am tied to using MS packages. Nov 02 22:29
GoblinRFD Home is 100% MS free though. Nov 02 22:30
schestowitz MicrotIAA sends out the hounds: http://www.dawn.com/weekly/scienc… “In a recent crackdown, BSA (Business Software Alliance), representing business software publishers in 65 countries, swooped down on a large business concern that was using illegal software, and fined them a whopping Rs3.5 million.” Nov 02 22:30
schestowitz That’s the minor stuff. I ahev uglier ones. Nov 02 22:31
schestowitz One thing that needs doing is chronological organisation of items (by topic). With 4000+ posts, it’s hard to find a good archive. Nov 02 22:31
GoblinRFD yeah agreed. Nov 02 22:31
schestowitz One thing that would be helpful.. Nov 02 22:32
schestowitz If ever you do some reading of old posts, then you can put the URLs in a sensible order that tells a story and send them over to build an index Nov 02 22:32
schestowitz I have a picture in my head, but for people who are new to this, the picture is not complete. Nov 02 22:32
GoblinRFD yeah Ill give it a go.  I have a little time on my hands monday, Ill make a start, and if its ok, Ill continue on. Nov 02 22:33
schestowitz Cool, thanks. Nov 02 22:34
schestowitz I need to make better search facilities too. Nov 02 22:34
schestowitz OK, I’ve just added a Google search bix. http://boycottnovell.com/ Nov 02 22:38
schestowitz Two wide though, I’ll rescale the box. Nov 02 22:39
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benJIman ‘quite frankly, I really find the whole notion of Linux as being “against Microsoft” to be silly and wrong-headed.’ Nov 02 23:38
benJIman [Linus] Nov 02 23:38
MinceR “Really, I’m not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect.” Nov 02 23:46
schestowitz Linus is disguised regarding some issue. He’s beginning to catch up with non-technical issues though (e.g. swpats) Nov 02 23:47
MinceR i’m waiting for him to catch up with GPLv3 Nov 02 23:48
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schestowitz Alax Cox already has. http://www.google.com/custom?q=… Nov 02 23:51
schestowitz BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.c om%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en Nov 02 23:51
schestowitz http://tinyurl.com/5f76gc Nov 02 23:51
MinceR google says it doesn’t exist Nov 02 23:52
MinceR ( Island Not Found in the Pirate language.) Nov 02 23:52
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schestowitz Try this: http://www.google.com/search?sourcei… Nov 02 23:53
schestowitz [It's a good way to watch many posts based on topic/name] Nov 02 23:53
MinceR ic Nov 02 23:54
MinceR that’s good new Nov 02 23:54
MinceR another issue is the flame regarding full disclosure. Nov 02 23:54
MinceR s/new/news/ Nov 02 23:57
schestowitz Which disclosure? Nov 02 23:57
MinceR there was a flame on some mailing list that got publicity (even on /.) where linus said (iirc) that it’s a goal not to allow simple grepping of changelogs or whatever to reveal security-critical patches Nov 02 23:58
schestowitz When was that? Nov 02 23:59
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