11.26.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 25th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 9:22 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz The situation ensures maximisatyion of profits. Nov 25 00:00
schestowitz It’s designed that way Nov 25 00:00
seller_liar The only way to change that Nov 25 00:00
schestowitz Microsoft helps Intel, Intel helps Microsoft. Nov 25 00:00
schestowitz AMD and Intel compete to become favourite kid.. Nov 25 00:00
seller_liar It is conscious people Nov 25 00:00
schestowitz Utlimately the aim is for people to buy AS MANY PCs as possible. Nov 25 00:00
schestowitz All systems thrive in waste Nov 25 00:00
seller_liar And convince people to give importance to the environment Nov 25 00:00
schestowitz Phase out tapes.. Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz Phase out CDs Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz Phase out DVD… Nov 25 00:01
seller_liar People are created in this system flawed Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz That’s how money is made.. and it’s shareholder-driven. Nov 25 00:01
PetoKraus phase out teh intertubes! Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz seller_liar: it’s hopeless. Nov 25 00:01
seller_liar We can change Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz People won’t respond until they are forced to Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz It’s like assignment deadline Nov 25 00:01
schestowitz When people’s house is being flooded, they’ll panic and do something. Nov 25 00:02
schestowitz The nature of humans ensures that the planet is heading towards trouble. Nov 25 00:02
seller_liar “Pressure makes pearls?” Nov 25 00:02
schestowitz The solustion must come from change of rules/edu Nov 25 00:02
schestowitz PetoKraus: they try that too Nov 25 00:02
PetoKraus well, they’ll do try Nov 25 00:03
PetoKraus i saw that picture somewhere Nov 25 00:03
seller_liar First Nov 25 00:03
schestowitz Or change their autonomy Nov 25 00:03
seller_liar The problem is the highest Classes Nov 25 00:03
PetoKraus access on the internet – you’ll get only access to certain domains Nov 25 00:03
schestowitz They harm meshes cause it’s not centralise, then tiering of the Web, censorship, etc. Nov 25 00:03
seller_liar Classes are low enough Nov 25 00:03
schestowitz They try to create ecnomies out of BLOCKING access to digital things. Nov 25 00:03
schestowitz They are used to being able to deny people access.. for A LIVING. Nov 25 00:04
seller_liar Classes can not low self sustenance Nov 25 00:04
schestowitz Access to food, access to technology, books, anything… Nov 25 00:04
seller_liar Who should change is the middle class and upper class Nov 25 00:04
schestowitz Classes? Nov 25 00:04
schestowitz Classes need be ideally eliminated Nov 25 00:04
schestowitz But it’s adverse to human nature. Nov 25 00:04
schestowitz Even monkeys have classes Nov 25 00:05
seller_liar Wrong Nov 25 00:05
schestowitz No? Why not? Nov 25 00:05
seller_liar The system of past lives Nov 25 00:05
schestowitz It hs always been like this. Nov 25 00:05
schestowitz Watch the pyramid for extreme examples. Nov 25 00:05
schestowitz One king and a horse of pyramid-building slaves. Nov 25 00:06
seller_liar Them system corrupts people Nov 25 00:06
schestowitz *horde Nov 25 00:06
seller_liar It’s not only human nature Nov 25 00:06
schestowitz The system *IS* people. Nov 25 00:06
seller_liar Yes Nov 25 00:06
schestowitz Authority is creates by humans Nov 25 00:06
schestowitz Anarchy is a separate thing. Nov 25 00:06
schestowitz Let me find something. Hold ion. Nov 25 00:06
seller_liar But look , The system is The leaders of society Nov 25 00:06
seller_liar Youn people is not the system Nov 25 00:07
seller_liar Adult people and leaders are the system Nov 25 00:07
schestowitz MinceR will appreciated this too: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P… Nov 25 00:07
seller_liar Young people only absorves the system Nov 25 00:07
schestowitz Not a matter of age Nov 25 00:07
seller_liar Like inheritance Nov 25 00:08
schestowitz It’s inherited Nov 25 00:08
schestowitz You beat me to it Nov 25 00:08
PetoKraus oh not this again Nov 25 00:08
schestowitz What again? Nov 25 00:08
PetoKraus chomsky, anarchy… Nov 25 00:08
seller_liar Noam Chomsky? Nov 25 00:08
schestowitz Hehe. Well, it just came to mind, that’s all.. Nov 25 00:08
seller_liar But look Nov 25 00:08
seller_liar Leaders pervert young people Nov 25 00:09
schestowitz Do you prefer the crazies like Jones? Nov 25 00:09
schestowitz Through education. Nov 25 00:09
schestowitz Can you bypass it? Nov 25 00:09
seller_liar Leaders = Adult ,Parents , Politicans Nov 25 00:09
PetoKraus libertarianism is just faulty by design Nov 25 00:09
seller_liar No Nov 25 00:09
PetoKraus because it forgets about one important thing – people are stupid Nov 25 00:10
schestowitz Why? Nov 25 00:10
seller_liar The big problem is Nov 25 00:10
schestowitz Why need they be? Nov 25 00:10
PetoKraus well, they are, that’s the fact Nov 25 00:10
seller_liar The system is self_hosting Nov 25 00:10
schestowitz They are made this way Nov 25 00:10
schestowitz They are fed footie and celebs Nov 25 00:10
schestowitz To keep them stupid and out of politics Nov 25 00:10
seller_liar The system makes EVERY people of this world to transfer bad habits for youg people Nov 25 00:10
schestowitz Making them observatory elements in a system of ‘responsible’ individuals. Nov 25 00:11
PetoKraus well, but what you get when you plunge world directly into libertarianism in it’s absolute form Nov 25 00:11
schestowitz Of course. Nov 25 00:11
PetoKraus yeah Nov 25 00:11
PetoKraus everything can’t be run by free market Nov 25 00:12
PetoKraus because you’ll end up in vicious circle Nov 25 00:12
schestowitz Which one? Nov 25 00:12
schestowitz Free as in ‘free’? Nov 25 00:12
schestowitz Like predatory free? Nov 25 00:12
PetoKraus free market as in unrestricted Nov 25 00:12
schestowitz Where you are free to slaughter ‘biznizes’? Nov 25 00:12
schestowitz That’s like communism Nov 25 00:13
PetoKraus well not reallky Nov 25 00:13
schestowitz Free markets become a communism until it’s becoming non-free Nov 25 00:13
PetoKraus *y Nov 25 00:13
schestowitz Just look at h/w and s/w monopolies Nov 25 00:13
seller_liar I will create a good book about this , society and a real good society Nov 25 00:13
PetoKraus free market is actually exactly on the other side of the political spectra than communism Nov 25 00:13
schestowitz Microsoft is like communism, though it won’t acknowledge this. Nov 25 00:13
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schestowitz seller_liar: please do, let me know where to find it too Nov 25 00:14
schestowitz Oh, he’s gone Nov 25 00:14
PetoKraus what I am trying to say is, anarchy, in it most elaborate forms – libertarianism, free market – is unsustainable Nov 25 00:14
schestowitz True. Nov 25 00:14
schestowitz But there are still sound bites. Nov 25 00:14
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PetoKraus because if you don’t have any body supervising, eg, education of people, someone will sell people inferior education, just because it’s cheaper Nov 25 00:14
schestowitz Like “democracy” Nov 25 00:14
schestowitz Of which I know none Nov 25 00:15
PetoKraus I don’t know Nov 25 00:15
schestowitz “Sell education”… I like that! Nov 25 00:15
PetoKraus I don’t really have an idea how should it work Nov 25 00:15
seller_liar I will create book someday Nov 25 00:15
PetoKraus schestowitz: well, that’s what happens in perfect libertarian society Nov 25 00:15
PetoKraus everything is product on free market Nov 25 00:15
schestowitz Curriculum ‘up for sale? Nov 25 00:15
PetoKraus my friend is a libertarian. I tend to make fun of him Nov 25 00:15
PetoKraus basically… Nov 25 00:16
schestowitz seller_liar: Nov 25 00:16
schestowitz <schestowitz> Microsoft is like communism, though it won’t acknowledge this. Nov 25 00:16
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schestowitz <schestowitz> seller_liar: please do, let me know where to find it too Nov 25 00:16
schestowitz <schestowitz> Oh, he’s gone Nov 25 00:16
PetoKraus anyway, it’s not really important Nov 25 00:16
PetoKraus i think, personally, that there are few things which should be supervised by something Nov 25 00:16
PetoKraus we tend to call it state Nov 25 00:17
schestowitz By whom? Nov 25 00:17
schestowitz And how? Nov 25 00:17
PetoKraus well, that’s the question – deploying effective mechanisms… Nov 25 00:17
schestowitz Who watches the state? Nov 25 00:17
PetoKraus but you need quality assurance in areas like Education, Health Nov 25 00:17
schestowitz They tried many things… some more successful than others… Nov 25 00:17
seller_liar schestowitz: And my book will be the real solution for this world Nov 25 00:17
schestowitz seller_liar: will you be reaching a wide audience? There is no parity in publcation Nov 25 00:18
schestowitz Govt. have large mindshare Nov 25 00:18
schestowitz They control TV, newspapers, education system, etc. Nov 25 00:18
schestowitz Corporations, in turn, pass on their agenda to govts Nov 25 00:18
schestowitz Even foreign companies do… like Microsoft in Brazil Nov 25 00:19
seller_liar schestowitz: CC-BY-SA Nov 25 00:19
schestowitz Text is a tricky thing. Nov 25 00:19
schestowitz People are lazy Nov 25 00:19
schestowitz That’s why papers are dying… dropping like flies Nov 25 00:19
PetoKraus then there’s this problem…. how to develop a system, where government would have power over businesses to define rules of the game, where government itself would work transparently, where there would be no chance that couple of people will be able to “subvert” the government Nov 25 00:19
schestowitz It’s a society of 30-second ads and quickie thinking. Nov 25 00:20
schestowitz Even music albums are rarely sold… just singles. Nov 25 00:20
PetoKraus schestowitz: well it depends Nov 25 00:20
PetoKraus on your business model ;) Nov 25 00:20
schestowitz PetoKraus: that’s what the US contitution was for, I think. Nov 25 00:20
PetoKraus yes Nov 25 00:21
schestowitz I believe that current US govt. violates the fathers rules. Nov 25 00:21
schestowitz fathers’ Nov 25 00:21
PetoKraus yes Nov 25 00:21
schestowitz But who blows the whistle? Nov 25 00:21
schestowitz The UN? Nov 25 00:21
schestowitz The AAAAAAAAAAAliens? :-) Nov 25 00:21
PetoKraus too slow to react Nov 25 00:21
PetoKraus waaaaaaaalleee Nov 25 00:21
PetoKraus http://kezins.com/wp-content/upl… -> in spore xD Nov 25 00:22
schestowitz post-destuction Nov 25 00:23
schestowitz Funyt pic:  Damn you Gentoo Devs! < http://moodlechat.bounceme… > Nov 25 00:31
seller_liar To save this world ,we need : Nov 25 00:33
seller_liar learn people Nov 25 00:33
seller_liar convince people Nov 25 00:33
seller_liar and help people to change Nov 25 00:33
seller_liar Some people know about freedom, but They are not convinced about freedom Nov 25 00:34
schestowitz How do you ‘tap’ people? Nov 25 00:34
schestowitz See, what’s difficult is not just addressing the curious, which is a ‘niche’ Nov 25 00:34
seller_liar Some people try to change , but only a little can change Nov 25 00:34
schestowitz A lot of people just follow the stream BECAUSE they are taught not to diverse. Nov 25 00:34
schestowitz There is a lot of peer pressure that’s being instilled in people’s minds and reinforced through peers to suppress or preventing independent thinking. Nov 25 00:35
seller_liar schestowitz: Is very hard to people gain “independent thinking” Nov 25 00:35
seller_liar Remember ,the system does not guarantee this Nov 25 00:36
seller_liar The system instead pervert people which he have destroyed Nov 25 00:36
seller_liar The system is very similar to the “dark knight” Nov 25 00:37
schestowitz The system hardly permits this, let alone guarantee Nov 25 00:37
seller_liar He kills opposition Nov 25 00:37
schestowitz That’s modern totality Nov 25 00:37
seller_liar and revives opposition , Nov 25 00:37
schestowitz It exists as an element even in so-called model democracies. Nov 25 00:37
seller_liar of course the oppositiion now is your allied Nov 25 00:37
schestowitz What’s the regime type of Brazil called? Nov 25 00:37
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schestowitz Called != is Nov 25 00:37
seller_liar Democracy ……. Nov 25 00:38
schestowitz Is it? Nov 25 00:38
seller_liar hehe ,wait a moment Nov 25 00:38
seller_liar no ,I do not remember Nov 25 00:38
schestowitz Check the definition Nov 25 00:38
jocaferro hi Nov 25 00:38
schestowitz Well, at least you serve as a model for Linux in voting. Nov 25 00:38
schestowitz Hey, jocaferro! What’s up? Nov 25 00:39
jocaferro Roy, did you notice a notice in Linux.com  - Nov 25 00:39
jocaferro Energizer says Microsoft’s a great host? Nov 25 00:40
schestowitz Wait… Nov 25 00:40
schestowitz LOL… http://www.catonmat.net/blog/musical-geek… Nov 25 00:40
schestowitz Linux.com has Microsoft as a sponsor. Nov 25 00:40
jocaferro http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10… Nov 25 00:41
schestowitz I’ll try with Konqy… without adblock Nov 25 00:41
jocaferro Not a single mention to “Linux” Nov 25 00:41
schestowitz jocaferro: I see loan ads. Nov 25 00:41
schestowitz Nothing there with Microsoft. I tried two page Nov 25 00:42
schestowitz pages Nov 25 00:42
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schestowitz Yuck. Nov 25 00:42
jocaferro http://www.linux.com/feed/154043 Nov 25 00:42
schestowitz jocaferro: that’s Microsoft Shill Ina Fried. Nov 25 00:42
schestowitz I tossed CNET to the dumpster cause of him/her Nov 25 00:42
schestowitz Oh, that Nov 25 00:43
schestowitz Yes, Linux.com has lots of weirdies. Nov 25 00:43
jocaferro Yes… Nov 25 00:43
schestowitz Mac-only s/w and some Microsoft shills sometimes… I don’t know why and some people occasionally vend out in the comments, me included. Nov 25 00:43
schestowitz I stopped reading Linux.com news picks… they were bad… low signal/noise ratio Nov 25 00:44
schestowitz *vent Nov 25 00:44
jocaferro Going to bed. Portugal… Nov 25 00:44
schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/ is one of the strongest Nov 25 00:44
schestowitz Cya soon then, Nov 25 00:45
jocaferro Thanks. Till tomorrow. Nov 25 00:45
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twitter body for sale? Nov 25 01:25
twitter hope not.  That’s why people make laws to protect themselves and others. Nov 25 01:25
schestowitz Where? What’s that about? Nov 25 01:26
twitter Someone said, “curriculum for sale” and someone else was laughing at his libertarian friends Nov 25 01:27
schestowitz Oh, I see…. Nov 25 01:28
twitter Konq has an ad blocker, by the way.  You have to build a list of image servers by right clicking on the obnoxious ones.  You can undo it later through a manager if you like. Nov 25 01:28
twitter gnash is now my favorite ad block. Nov 25 01:29
twitter Nothing plays till you press “play” Nov 25 01:29
twitter Konq’s image blocker config also is easy to add to, so you can share lists of servers with your friends. Nov 25 01:30
schestowitz Flashblock works too. Nov 25 01:30
schestowitz I think I have 3 layers that fight Flash. Nov 25 01:30
schestowitz AdBlock, flashblock, noscript Nov 25 01:31
twitter Gnash or nothing for me.  I don’t trust flash at all. Nov 25 01:31
twitter Buggy and slow. Nov 25 01:31
twitter My wife insists on flash, so she gets Mepis. Nov 25 01:32
twitter The sooner non free video dies, the better. Nov 25 01:32
schestowitz Yes, I still got Flash with Mandriva (by default) Nov 25 01:33
schestowitz I suppose YouTube works fully with Flash. It’s the only think the blob is needed for. Nov 25 01:33
twitter It’s hit and miss still.  Bandwith is so bad with my ISP that I prefer clive.  I wonder if Cox is already doing “management” for YouTube. Nov 25 01:34
twitter The actual flash player works a little better when we look at Saturday night live, but even that skips. Nov 25 01:35
twitter I have to make a right click button for clive one day. Nov 25 01:35
schestowitz I have a greasemonkey script for getting Flash fast Nov 25 01:36
schestowitz That enables me to make oggs quickly too Nov 25 01:37
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MinceR schestowitz: nice video Nov 25 07:51
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schestowitz Moin’ Nov 25 08:23
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kentma hi Nov 25 09:21
MinceR j0 Nov 25 09:23
harrytuttle hello Nov 25 09:35
harrytuttle nvidia “drops” linux to make M$-phone: Nov 25 09:36
harrytuttle http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n… Nov 25 09:36
schestowitz Hey there. Nov 25 09:36
schestowitz Thanks, I saw that. Nov 25 09:36
harrytuttle well, if you read the comments though, it turns out to be a hoax… :-/ Nov 25 09:38
harrytuttle just read the whole comments Nov 25 09:38
MinceR nvidia is seeking new lows to sink to Nov 25 09:39
harrytuttle sorry, i posted this a bit in a hurry, and it seems its a hoax… Nov 25 09:41
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PetoKraus fucking doh! : http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/11/25/l… Nov 25 10:22
kentma naive Nov 25 10:41
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PetoKraus http://www.extremetech.com… Nov 25 11:23
PetoKraus single-vendor javascript benchmark, tut tut! Nov 25 11:23
PetoKraus that’s like comparing jeep and formula 1 speed on flat track Nov 25 11:24
schestowitz It’s a rad risky for people to rely on some server and JS to handle all their data.. Nov 25 11:28
schestowitz *tad Nov 25 11:28
PetoKraus well, yes Nov 25 11:28
MinceR people routinely take bigger risks than that Nov 25 11:28
PetoKraus what i don’t like about the benchmark, though, is, that they used V8 benchmark for all of the browsers Nov 25 11:29
PetoKraus which is clearly stupid thing to do Nov 25 11:29
schestowitz Of course Nov 25 11:34
schestowitz But what about O/S as parameter Nov 25 11:34
schestowitz ? Nov 25 11:34
schestowitz Apple is evil : http://www.pcworld.com/article/15442… Nov 25 11:44
schestowitz This sounds unlikely: Google Layoffs: 10,000 Jobs Being Cut, Report Claims < http://www.pcworld.com/articl… > Nov 25 11:46
schestowitz Microsoft layoffs still being denied, which is funny because they recently sacked staff, for _a fact_ Nov 25 12:03
schestowitz Wintel press didn’t get the memo about Microsoft’s budget cuts < http://www.businessweek.com/technology/… >? Seems like sloggy-pressing. Nov 25 12:07
schestowitz “according to a person familiar with Microsoft’s plans. “We’re going to reinvent the infrastructure of our industry,” Chrapaty says. She declines to discuss specifics of the plan.” Nov 25 12:13
schestowitz “”[ PJ: Uh oh. Reinvent the infrastructure as in "extend"?]“ Nov 25 12:13
schestowitz Mischiefs in the EU: defending illegal, consumer-hostile technologies to retrain ‘the masses’ and use of PCs… http://www.digistan.org/forum/t-107597/eu… Nov 25 12:26
zoobab_ digistan Nov 25 13:57
schestowitz Yup Nov 25 13:58
schestowitz *restrain Nov 25 13:58
schestowitz According to Alpha-lunatic, Digistan is some country with terrorists in it. :-) Nov 25 13:59
zoobab_ it is Nov 25 14:00
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PetoKraus hmm, arora seems nice Nov 25 14:26
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PetoKraus though it’s slow :/ Nov 25 14:32
kentma anyone noticed that oo.org is going like a rocket now? Nov 25 14:45
kentma this being the latest Ubuntu version. Nov 25 14:47
schestowitz Isn’t that Go-oo in Ubuntu? Nov 25 14:48
schestowitz Unless you installed OOo Nov 25 14:48
schestowitz Go-OO is Novell/Microsoft’s evil fork Nov 25 14:48
PetoKraus http://pk.gjhak.sk/?uid=118 Nov 25 15:02
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wispy hello everyone! Nov 25 15:21
schestowitz Hey there, what’s up? Nov 25 15:23
wispy hi again ;) Nov 25 15:23
wispy i came here a few days ago, but you weren’t here Nov 25 15:24
twitter Dow’s up, M$ is down.  http://finance.google.com/finance Nov 25 15:24
wispy hi twitter, im wispy Nov 25 15:24
twitter hello Nov 25 15:24
wispy i know roy from digg Nov 25 15:24
PetoKraus well, roy is famous :P Nov 25 15:25
wispy haha he is Nov 25 15:25
wispy nice to meet you too petokraus Nov 25 15:25
PetoKraus ;) what brings you here? Nov 25 15:25
twitter do share Nov 25 15:25
wispy im interested in the whole ms drama Nov 25 15:25
wispy since i want to work in the tech sector Nov 25 15:26
wispy im a finance major, but i have some tech skills too Nov 25 15:26
twitter M$ drama http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 complete with theme song Nov 25 15:27
wispy lol @ theme song Nov 25 15:27
wispy so what distros you guys use Nov 25 15:28
twitter Ballmer drama http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/214971 unmatched since Scarface Nov 25 15:28
wispy i use debian Nov 25 15:28
twitter debian Nov 25 15:28
twitter mepis Nov 25 15:28
wispy my first was ubuntu Nov 25 15:28
*schestowitz was distracted Nov 25 15:28
twitter I see ubuntu and pclinuxOS in a lab, but we a just friends. Nov 25 15:29
schestowitz Microsoft drama. Haha. Nov 25 15:29
wispy so how’s your day roy? Nov 25 15:29
wispy hehe Nov 25 15:29
schestowitz Nice word for “bad behaviour” Nov 25 15:29
wispy its raining here, ugh Nov 25 15:29
wispy lol Nov 25 15:29
schestowitz I was to jail for causing “drama” Nov 25 15:29
schestowitz *Went Nov 25 15:29
wispy my sisters say drama all the time Nov 25 15:29
wispy aww Nov 25 15:29
wispy they cause it all the time Nov 25 15:30
wispy i don’t get why they do that Nov 25 15:30
twitter M$ commits crime to make money Nov 25 15:30
schestowitz Microsoft says it uses the rules to their full capacity Nov 25 15:30
schestowitz I’m writitng about ISO ATM Nov 25 15:30
twitter Your sisters are just enjoying life Nov 25 15:30
wispy yeah i guess XD Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz Microsoft apparently considers bribes as part of the rules. Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz Bullying people too is, apparently, within the rules Nov 25 15:31
wispy that’s not fair :( Nov 25 15:31
twitter and lying about the rules, so that you can’t trust them. Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz Well, that’s MCIROSOFT Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz Microsoft=not fair Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz It’s a philosophy/. Nov 25 15:31
twitter cult Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz Wel.. Nov 25 15:31
wispy scary Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz Don’t say that work Nov 25 15:31
schestowitz They’ll bully you for saying it. Nov 25 15:32
schestowitz They amplify terms like “Microsoft hater” Nov 25 15:32
schestowitz As if.. Nov 25 15:32
schestowitz I can openly call Intel a criminal organisation Nov 25 15:32
twitter it’s also personal http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/1… Nov 25 15:32
wispy they should learn to take criticism so they can better themselves Nov 25 15:32
schestowitz But if I say this about Microsoft then the reaction is like “oh…  another Microsoft Hater(TM)” Nov 25 15:32
wispy :( Nov 25 15:32
schestowitz And that’s just wrong. Pointing out the obvious is fine., Nov 25 15:32
schestowitz But they stigmatise critics Nov 25 15:33
twitter it’s not an emotional thing, it’s eliminating competition in every way. Nov 25 15:33
wispy thats too bad roy Nov 25 15:33
*Omar87 (n=omar@86.108.43.118) has joined #boycottnovell Nov 25 15:33
schestowitz Hey, Omar87 Nov 25 15:33
wispy hi omar nice to meet you Nov 25 15:33
schestowitz twitter: I put items in the news aside before blogging them Nov 25 15:33
schestowitz Otherwise I use strong words.. Nov 25 15:33
schestowitz Need ‘cool-off’ time. :-) Nov 25 15:33
wispy haha Nov 25 15:33
wispy thanks for all the updates on KDE Nov 25 15:34
wispy it’s looking good Nov 25 15:34
schestowitz KDE? Nov 25 15:34
schestowitz In Digg? Nov 25 15:34
twitter bbl Nov 25 15:34
wispy on the front page of BN Nov 25 15:34
wispy and digg :) Nov 25 15:34
schestowitz Oh, *that* Nov 25 15:34
wispy people say i have an eye for color, and kde allows me to deisgn a pretty desktop Nov 25 15:35
wispy so roy, have you tried ubuntu ibex yet? Nov 25 15:37
*schestowitz on phone Nov 25 15:37
wispy oops sry Nov 25 15:37
Omar87 schestowitz:  What ia Bilski? Nov 25 15:37
Omar87 is* Nov 25 15:38
wispy this i think: http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Bilski_What_It_M… Nov 25 15:39
*mib_3t928j (i=744b4ae1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0e12fcda0bb84ba2) has joined #boycottnovell Nov 25 15:41
mib_3t928j is any body there Nov 25 15:41
wispy i am :) Nov 25 15:41
mib_3t928j hi, it’s karthik from B’lore Nov 25 15:41
wispy nice to meet you, im wispy Nov 25 15:42
wispy india is coolk Nov 25 15:42
wispy cool* Nov 25 15:42
*kevin_ has quit (Connection timed out) Nov 25 15:42
mib_3t928j where r u from? Nov 25 15:42
wispy america Nov 25 15:42
wispy have you been here b4 Nov 25 15:42
mib_3t928j no Nov 25 15:43
wispy you should come and visit someday Nov 25 15:43
mib_3t928j I’d like to talk with you regarding Novell boycott in Free Software Conference held Nov 25 15:43
wispy oh i heard about that Nov 25 15:44
mib_3t928j in India this month, could we? Nov 25 15:44
wispy i was cheering you guys on Nov 25 15:44
mib_3t928j what is ur opinion abt that? Nov 25 15:44
wispy you had the right to express your opinion Nov 25 15:45
mib_3t928j I am also against the people or corporate who are against free software, BUT Nov 25 15:45
mib_3t928j novell boycott in confernce for a self advertisement Nov 25 15:46
wispy i think free software promotes more creativity since it’s not controlled by one company Nov 25 15:46
wispy more people are involved, so there will be more ideas floating around Nov 25 15:46
wispy hmmm true, mib Nov 25 15:46
mib_3t928j that good … Nov 25 15:47
*schestowitz off phone Nov 25 15:47
wispy reminds me of that “don’t tase me bro” kid, he caused a scene to advertise his blog Nov 25 15:47
wispy wb roy Nov 25 15:47
schestowitz Omar87: Re Bilski is a case that eliminated (in theory) many business method patents Nov 25 15:47
mib_3t928j Free software in America is differnect from Free software sinec conditions Nov 25 15:47
schestowitz It affects software too Nov 25 15:47
mib_3t928j are different Nov 25 15:48
wispy interesting Nov 25 15:48
schestowitz Hey, karthik Nov 25 15:48
mib_3t928j hi Nov 25 15:48
mib_3t928j In America ur litracy rate is 99% India ~65% Nov 25 15:49
schestowitz 99%? Nov 25 15:49
wispy you guys are doing good so far with regards to economic progress Nov 25 15:49
schestowitz Are you sure? Nov 25 15:49
mib_3t928j people in India don’t have access to hardware(means computers) Nov 25 15:49
wispy i hope laptops become cheap enough so children can access them Nov 25 15:50
schestowitz OLPC would be handy… if it hadn’t been brutally sabotages by fat cats like Intel Nov 25 15:50
mib_3t928j when they don’t have access to hardware , what aby software then Free Software Nov 25 15:50
wispy sigh thats true, Roy Nov 25 15:50
schestowitz In China, laptops could soon cost $70. Manufacturing them is very hceap Nov 25 15:50
wispy i wonder how low the price will go Nov 25 15:51
schestowitz Again, it’s ‘IP’ that stands on the way. Nov 25 15:51
mib_3t928j The conference is to create awareness among people of India esp, students Nov 25 15:51
mib_3t928j & working professional Nov 25 15:51
schestowitz But yesterday I watched a lecture which says shift of power comes from ignoring self-preservation rules like so-called ‘IP’, which is what they do in China. Nov 25 15:51
wispy i hope it worked, mib :) Nov 25 15:51
mib_3t928j because of a habdful of people Nov 25 15:51
schestowitz So the conference was ‘hijacked’ by Microsoft’s buddies. Nov 25 15:52
schestowitz If not Microsoft, then Microsoft Linux. Nov 25 15:52
_doug real estate developer patents web navigation .. sues Apple .. Nov 25 15:52
_doug http://gizmodo.com/5098535/apple-hit-with-bizarr… Nov 25 15:52
schestowitz But… Nov 25 15:52
schestowitz you can’t say bad things about Microsoft there…. Novell pays the bills after alll… Nov 25 15:52
wispy party crashers Nov 25 15:52
mib_3t928j not buy ms or Novell, its hijacked by people in FSF India for their self advretisement Nov 25 15:52
schestowitz And Microsoft is the hand that feeds Novell these days to do this… $100 million just months ago Nov 25 15:52
schestowitz Yes, that too Nov 25 15:53
_doug “Apparatus and method of manipulating a region on a wireless device screen for viewing, zooming and scrolling internet content” Nov 25 15:53
wispy yep Nov 25 15:53
schestowitz But they liaised with Novell, no? Nov 25 15:53
schestowitz zoobab_ would be interested in this, doug Nov 25 15:53
mib_3t928j no, their concern is valid since people have diff opinion Nov 25 15:53
mib_3t928j BUT the way they handle nullify the program Nov 25 15:54
mib_3t928j now people of the world talk ONLY about Novell protest in Conference Nov 25 15:54
mib_3t928j As I told, the handful of people they are part of FSF india, who took a session Nov 25 15:55
mib_3t928j on Saturday & made protest on Sunday Nov 25 15:56
PetoKraus “hen it comes to the Linux operating system, Silverlight compatibility is not Microsoft’s responsibility, as the project was adopted by Novell.” Nov 25 15:56
mib_3t928j If they felt to protest, why have NOT choosen the first day Nov 25 15:56
PetoKraus so basically, novell is responsible for M$ not publishing their linux client, right? Nov 25 15:56
PetoKraus bloody faggots Nov 25 15:57
schestowitz PetoKraus: sourcew? Nov 25 15:57
mib_3t928j hi Nov 25 15:57
wispy thats mean of them Nov 25 15:57
PetoKraus http://news.softpedia.com/news/Silverlight-Beta-for-L… Nov 25 15:57
schestowitz Oh yeah.. Nov 25 15:57
schestowitz Let Novell play with some toys Nov 25 15:58
schestowitz Let them Looonix users shout at Web sites that Don’t Work(R) Nov 25 15:58
wispy lunix haha Nov 25 15:58
schestowitz Microsoft could just port its stinkin’ binaries to GNU/Linux, but that would actually *GASP* make Linux /WORK/ Nov 25 15:58
schestowitz Microsoft can’t allow this to happe Nov 25 15:58
schestowitz Microsoft can’t allow this to happn Nov 25 15:58
MinceR it already works, despite m$’s wishes Nov 25 15:59
schestowitz MinceR: you tried it? Nov 25 15:59
schestowitz It’s not 2.0 comptible Nov 25 15:59
MinceR i mean linux works Nov 25 15:59
MinceR not silverblight Nov 25 16:00
schestowitz It’s not 2.0 compatible. Microsoft is already moving ahead. Remember the Olympics too… Nov 25 16:00
schestowitz Oh, *THAT* I was being sarcastic/hypothetical… Nov 25 16:00
wispy :) Nov 25 16:00
schestowitz Average Joe will just browse the Web and throw a pencil at you for giving him that Linux thing with the sites that don’t work… because Microsoft made it so. Nov 25 16:00
schestowitz ActiveX2.0 Nov 25 16:01
wispy grrrrr that makes me mad Nov 25 16:01
schestowitz The EU commission looked at it. Nov 25 16:01
wispy reminds me of how ff used to not work with a lot of sites Nov 25 16:01
schestowitz But again… the shills at Novell to Microsoft’s rescue. Nov 25 16:01
PetoKraus bloody hell :/ sql borked, doh! Nov 25 16:02
schestowitz Microsoft: FOSS is cool with OOXML… we mean, look! Novell implements it [bwahahaha...,we forced it to.. SHEESH] Nov 25 16:02
wispy they aren’t very convincing Nov 25 16:02
schestowitz That;s what they said in last weeks’s forum. Nov 25 16:02
schestowitz They are snakes. Nov 25 16:03
wispy >.> Nov 25 16:03
wispy roy, don’t let people online get to you.  trolls do that to annoy you.  you are better than them :) Nov 25 16:04
wispy and much more talented Nov 25 16:05
*mib_3t928j has quit (“http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client”) Nov 25 16:05
_doug SCO cleared for appeal in computer code case .. Nov 25 16:17
_doug http://www.google.com/advanced_search Nov 25 16:17
_doug “Novell is a leading distributor of the Linux system for commercial operations” Nov 25 16:17
wispy hi doug, i dont think we have met before.  i’m wispy Nov 25 16:17
schestowitz Should I do a SCO post before the weekend? I have something ready. Nov 25 16:19
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