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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 06 06:57 |
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| Omar87 | I've had a tough conversation with my cousin a hours ago, and unfortunately, it turned out he completely despises the Freedom of knowledge. | Dec 06 06:59 |
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| Omar87 | When I told him about free software, he said something that would kill you before it manages to make any bit of sense to you: "Oh but cars, are not free, airplanes are not free, why should software be free?" | Dec 06 07:01 |
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| Omar87 | As if freedom was all about money. | Dec 06 07:01 |
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| Omar87 | Imagine guys, if Thomas Edison, Isaac Newton, Albert Einshtein had done the same thing to their inventions, would we still be at the same level we are at now? | Dec 06 07:03 |
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| Omar87 | If each one of them decided to monopolize his invention to his own brain and not share with the world, how would have we been right now? | Dec 06 07:04 |
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| Omar87 | It makes me sick every time I think about it. And it also makes even more determined to fight this satanic selfishness away! | Dec 06 07:06 |
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| Omar87 | Proprietary, DRM, and organized satanic selfishness MUST burn to the grown. And FOSS, CC, and the philosoph philosophy of Ubuntu MUST rise and rule the world! | Dec 06 07:08 |
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| Omar87 | Are you with me people? We have to unite against the evil selfishness that lurks within this world! | Dec 06 07:10 |
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| Omar87 | I'm not playing Braveheart here, nor am I big fan Lord of The Rings, but I'm saying what everyone of should say. | Dec 06 07:10 |
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| Omar87 | YES to freedom and sharing, and NO to selfishness!! | Dec 06 07:11 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: some links from kerala | Dec 06 07:18 |
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| anivar | http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/0... | Dec 06 07:18 |
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| anivar | http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/05/storie... | Dec 06 07:20 |
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| anivar | http://pramode.net/2008/12/05/a-window-to-freedom-re... | Dec 06 07:21 |
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| Omar87 | anivar: What do you think of what I just said? | Dec 06 07:33 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hi | Dec 06 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 06 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | I was asleep earlier, but I got the message | Dec 06 09:00 |
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| Omar87 | Did you read what I wrote? | Dec 06 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Dec 06 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | You should read this: [fetches link] | Dec 06 09:03 |
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| Omar87 | I personally felt very sad that my cousin, the one whom I really admire, has turned out be a selfish man.. | Dec 06 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/the_right_to_own_knowledge | Dec 06 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | Some people create products; other create fences. | Dec 06 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | *others | Dec 06 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Carla's reaction was the same as mine: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... | Dec 06 09:07 |
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| Omar87 | Imagine that he explained his point of view by saying that technologists also need money to pay the bill, man.. -_- | Dec 06 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | That's fine | Dec 06 09:10 |
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| schestowitz | They should make products. | Dec 06 09:10 |
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| schestowitz | Not by 'selling' ideas. | Dec 06 09:10 |
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| Omar87 | As if he (or the "technologists") were the only ones who need money to eat and pay the bills. | Dec 06 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | There's the notion of commons | Dec 06 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | The CC guys stress this. | Dec 06 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | For each person making money, there is another losing money or being deprives access to knowledge | Dec 06 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | That's feudal. | Dec 06 09:12 |
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| Omar87 | That's also dictatorship. | Dec 06 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://mafiaa.org/ | Dec 06 09:14 |
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| Omar87 | Because people are not allowed to use the technology the way they want to. They are locked down to the inventor's own rules and regulations, even if they were wrong and against humanity. | Dec 06 09:14 |
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| Omar87 | My cousin also claimed. and this is what hurt most, that FSF and CC ppl don't even know what they're talking about. | Dec 06 09:15 |
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| Omar87 | As if he were the only man who knows anything in the world. | Dec 06 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's intolerance. | Dec 06 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | When a person declares the other person's view as irrelevant | Dec 06 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | That's fascism. brb | Dec 06 09:17 |
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| Omar87 | It's disgusting how a pathetic human being can sometimes forget that whatever he has learned and invented is all the creation and knowledge of God, and he was only guided by God to reveal this thing or that for the human kind. | Dec 06 09:19 |
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| Omar87 | Oh, yeah, and that's what made me sure that I have defeated him successfully. :) | Dec 06 09:20 |
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| Omar87 | But I didn't mention that to him of course. | Dec 06 09:20 |
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| Omar87 | Because, apparently, it seems as though my cousins worst nightmare is when someone gets close to proving him wrong. | Dec 06 09:21 |
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| Omar87 | Of course, let alone being someone half his age, and has less than 0.0001% of experience than he does. | Dec 06 09:23 |
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| Omar87 | experience in programing and soft/hardware dev. of course. | Dec 06 09:23 |
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| Omar87 | take your time. :) | Dec 06 09:25 |
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| Omar87 | And I'll b r b too. | Dec 06 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's a question of scarcity. There's none on the Web, except superficial ones. | Dec 06 09:29 |
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| schestowitz | WMD Used by 2013 < http://technocrat.net/d/2... > | Dec 06 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | Server market takes a tumble < http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... > | Dec 06 09:56 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: That's his(my cousin) latest answer to my question(the same one I've posted here): http://paste.ubuntu.com/81295/ | Dec 06 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | People kstify what they do | Dec 06 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | *justify | Dec 06 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | I imagine that he makes money by withholding so-called trade secrets of some kind | Dec 06 10:21 |
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| Omar87 | Of course he does. | Dec 06 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | That's OK | Dec 06 10:24 |
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| Omar87 | Yes it is. | Dec 06 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's a class thing. As soon as we rid ourselves from this exploitation of mental monopolies, that's a solves problem | Dec 06 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | Ito needs to travel the world and 'unbrainwash' people affected and inflicted by the 'copyrights cartel' | Dec 06 10:24 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah | Dec 06 10:26 |
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| Omar87 | I wish I could bring my cousin down here. | Dec 06 10:26 |
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| Omar87 | I can assure you'll be taking good care of him for me. ;) | Dec 06 10:27 |
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| Omar87 | But, yet he still never gives himself a minute to stop looking at life from his own corporate eyes. | Dec 06 10:28 |
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| Omar87 | That's unfortunate. | Dec 06 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | That would be worthwhile | Dec 06 10:31 |
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| Omar87 | That's how I answered him. | Dec 06 10:47 |
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| Omar87 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/81304/ | Dec 06 10:47 |
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| Omar87 | What would be worthwhile? | Dec 06 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | Ideas Are Everywhere... So Why Do We Limit Them? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20080507/... > | Dec 06 10:49 |
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| Omar87 | You read my pastebin? | Dec 06 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I have/ | Dec 06 10:52 |
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| Omar87 | What do you think?? | Dec 06 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | It's true. | Dec 06 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | Being an ahteist, however, I attribute knowledge only to society | Dec 06 10:53 |
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| Omar87 | ok | Dec 06 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | We're all weird creature. Trying to enslave others for 'daring' to think something | Dec 06 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft bullies Linux vendors for daring to write instructions. | Dec 06 10:54 |
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| Omar87 | Oh man. :) | Dec 06 10:56 |
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| Omar87 | And yet, my cousin points out Bill Gates, the filthy backstabber, as an exceptional inventor. :) | Dec 06 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | There's brainwash around it. | Dec 06 10:57 |
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| Omar87 | How hilarious./ | Dec 06 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | There are many known people who merely copied others. | Dec 06 10:57 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah, and I showed him a link about the unusual story of MS-DOS, the one where Bill Gates backstabs Gary Killdal. | Dec 06 10:58 |
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| Omar87 | However, I can bet 1000000% that he never even clicked it. Why? because it falsifies his claims. | Dec 06 10:59 |
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| Omar87 | It's been a pleasure to talk to you Roy. | Dec 06 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | Exactly. | Dec 06 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | Exactly. [to that former: " because it falsifies his claims.") | Dec 06 11:00 |
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| Omar87 | Oh yeah! When I showed him www.fsf.org, only two words came out of his mouth: "Not interested.". :) | Dec 06 11:00 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah, I know [to that former: " Exactly"] | Dec 06 11:01 |
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| Omar87 | Anyhow, I talk to you soon. | Dec 06 11:01 |
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| Omar87 | Best wishes, and thanks for your time. :) | Dec 06 11:01 |
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| trmanco | http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/worl... | Dec 06 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Linux needs a Wine 1.0 release, installed and preconfigured on desktop distributions." | Dec 06 11:20 |
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| trmanco | it is old | Dec 06 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Dec 06 11:21 |
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| trmanco | the comment carrying this link on the wine release was dugg down | Dec 06 11:22 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Dec 06 11:23 |
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| trmanco | hi | Dec 06 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 06 11:24 |
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| Eruaran | Welp | Dec 06 11:24 |
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| Eruaran | I'm using Gnome now | Dec 06 11:24 |
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| Eruaran | My KDE 4.2 install didn't go so swimmingly | Dec 06 11:25 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Dec 06 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Could you go back? | Dec 06 11:25 |
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| Eruaran | KDE is all broken | Dec 06 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's beta | Dec 06 11:26 |
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| Eruaran | I should have done a separate install for 4.2 | Dec 06 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 06 11:26 |
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| Eruaran | I was way to cavilier about it :P | Dec 06 11:26 |
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| Eruaran | But I was like, "she'll be right" | Dec 06 11:27 |
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| Eruaran | A while later I was saying, "ah crap" | Dec 06 11:27 |
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| Eruaran | Not to worry though | Dec 06 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Eruaran> Welp >> I'm using Gnome now" Sounds like "they forced me to use Windows" | Dec 06 11:27 |
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| Eruaran | heh | Dec 06 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | did you files a bug report? | Dec 06 11:28 |
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| Eruaran | I installed Gnome to get a working desktop up and running again | Dec 06 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe you can fetch an update to this update, which will fix it. | Dec 06 11:28 |
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| Eruaran | well I might... If and when I figure out what happened | Dec 06 11:28 |
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| Eruaran | I cringed as I installed Gnome though | Dec 06 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's a good DE | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing evil about ot | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| Eruaran | There were far too many "libmono..." things flying up the screen during the install | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Mono is not GNOME | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry to hear that | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| Eruaran | I don't mind gnome itself | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| Eruaran | The new Dust theme is nice | Dec 06 11:29 |
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| Eruaran | Its not that I hate gnome or anything | Dec 06 11:30 |
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| Eruaran | I'm just not really excited by it | Dec 06 11:30 |
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| Eruaran | Its a nice rock solid desktop | Dec 06 11:31 |
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| Eruaran | Which is what you want when you've just broken your other desktop | Dec 06 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | With a beta | Dec 06 11:32 |
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| Eruaran | yes :D | Dec 06 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | Best thing is to use what's preinstalled with Distro X version Y. | Dec 06 11:33 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Dec 06 11:33 |
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| Eruaran | But I wanted to seeeee | Dec 06 11:33 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Dec 06 11:33 |
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| Eruaran | KDM still works :P | Dec 06 11:34 |
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| Eruaran | How good is it though | Dec 06 11:35 |
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| Eruaran | You can totally bork your desktop and just install another and carry on | Dec 06 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | LXDE? | Dec 06 11:36 |
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| Eruaran | No, I installed Gnome | Dec 06 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | What if....... | Dec 06 11:36 |
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| Eruaran | All my usual KDE apps are automatically in the menus and everything | Dec 06 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | You backed up ~./.kde + more, then deleted them and fetched a stable KDE version? | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | I don't see why you can't just fix it, by backing up, removing and then installing. | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| Eruaran | I can | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| Eruaran | But this was last night | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | The b0rkness is at the home dir and install packages, so remove them. | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| Eruaran | And it was late... | Dec 06 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | You can do it later. | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Which distro is this? | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| Eruaran | kubuntu | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Ah, easy | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | sudo apt-get rmove kubuntu-desktop | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | or sudo apt-get rmove kde-desktop | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| Eruaran | yep | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | then install (should get the stable release) | Dec 06 11:38 |
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| Eruaran | yes I already ## my experimental source | Dec 06 11:39 |
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| Eruaran | uninstalling now | Dec 06 11:40 |
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| Eruaran | I think I'll keep both desktops | Dec 06 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Why not? It's the same price. | Dec 06 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | $0 | Dec 06 11:45 |
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| Eruaran | :) | Dec 06 11:45 |
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| Eruaran | My brother is coming down next weekend, so I want him to have a look at both | Dec 06 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | Just remove mono >:-| It'll poop on your KDE. j/k | Dec 06 11:45 |
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| Eruaran | maybe creat a script which you start with the command, "unpoop" | Dec 06 11:46 |
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| Eruaran | sudo sh unpoop | Dec 06 11:47 |
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| Eruaran | I like Fedora's new animated boot with Plymouth | Dec 06 11:48 |
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| Eruaran | Shortly after, suddenly there's video's on youtube of Windows 7 with a somewhat less impressive animated boot | Dec 06 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | There's mononono | Dec 06 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/ | Dec 06 11:54 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Dec 06 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: did Fort 25 approves your comment in their Microsoft Fort? | Dec 06 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | *approve | Dec 06 12:29 |
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| Eruaran | haven't checked | Dec 06 12:36 |
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| Eruaran | nope | Dec 06 12:37 |
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| Eruaran | I tried to comment on the "FOSS in India" entry | Dec 06 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Do they /ever/ accept comments? | Dec 06 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's in moderation? | Dec 06 12:42 |
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| Eruaran | Yes, thats what it is ;) | Dec 06 12:50 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Dec 06 13:30 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Dec 06 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | Greetingz | Dec 06 13:36 |
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| trmanco | hi | Dec 06 13:37 |
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| trmanco | Microsoft partners with Strawberry Perl to improve the CPAN: http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/38036?from=rss | Dec 06 14:10 |
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| trmanco | Microsoft infiltrating itself in FOSS again | Dec 06 14:10 |
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| trmanco | Silvershell 0.6 Released: http://ironpython-urls.blogspot.com/2008/12/... | Dec 06 14:13 |
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| trmanco | "It runs in the browser with Silverlight 2 or on the desktop with a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation - which means it won't run on Mono) User Interface." | Dec 06 14:13 |
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| trmanco | weird :| | Dec 06 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck | Dec 06 14:16 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 06 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | They want to leave Linux naked | Dec 06 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's Embrace and Extand. | Dec 06 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | *Extend | Dec 06 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | And I was gonna write about it soon because there are more examples. | Dec 06 14:18 |
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| trmanco | I would prefer to use Mono/Moonlight then pure Windows/Silverlight | Dec 06 14:22 |
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| trmanco | even better is to avoid, avoid,avoid | Dec 06 14:24 |
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| trmanco | http://ubuntu-tweak.com/2008/12/05/ubuntu-twe... | Dec 06 14:33 |
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| trmanco | It would be better if they could rename it to Fedora Tweak | Dec 06 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | haha. | Dec 06 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | it makes it sounds like Fedora needs tweaking to "be more like Ubuntu" | Dec 06 14:35 |
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| trmanco | Most recent Windows infections result from the same simple trick: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Most-recent-Wi... | Dec 06 14:37 |
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| *schestowitz is glad he needs to know nothing about viruses | Dec 06 14:41 |
| schestowitz | A computer should like a toaster... you need to clean it before you use it ;-) | Dec 06 14:42 |
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| trmanco | I do clean my computer | Dec 06 14:43 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Dec 06 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Dust. | Dec 06 14:43 |
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| trmanco | yes dust :-P | Dec 06 14:45 |
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| trmanco | among other things, system stuff | Dec 06 14:46 |
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| trmanco | I clean apt-cache to save disk space, I clean grubs boot menus só that I don't have a bunch of kernels to boot from, etc | Dec 06 14:46 |
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| twitter | if you remove old kernels, grub will clean it's boot menu. ;-) | Dec 06 14:48 |
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| trmanco | I only remove unnecessary kernels when I do a system upgrade | Dec 06 14:51 |
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| trmanco | grub just hides the kernel, in my case | Dec 06 14:51 |
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| trmanco | old kernels* | Dec 06 14:51 |
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| twitter | I'm lazy about it myself, so I'll sometimes end up with four kernels. It would be better for me to free the disk space, but as long as they sit there, I might as well have a way to use them. | Dec 06 14:52 |
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| twitter | My Thinkpad 600 had a lot of kernels under Sarge and Etch. It had a nasty sound chip, and one or two of those kernels worked it. Lenny seems to have fixed that. | Dec 06 14:54 |
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| twitter | I still had to load the module with irq and other parameters with /etc/modules to make it work though. :'( | Dec 06 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | hey, traveler3 | Dec 06 15:02 |
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| traveler3 | hi there .. | Dec 06 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Dec 06 15:03 |
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| traveler3 | I'm on a web gateway .. | Dec 06 15:03 |
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| twitter | what does your gateway do? | Dec 06 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | getaway | Dec 06 15:04 |
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| traveler3 | IS a web to IRC gateway .. | Dec 06 15:04 |
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| twitter | mine stays in the same place | Dec 06 15:04 |
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| traveler3 | http://java.freenode.net/ | Dec 06 15:04 |
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| twitter | if your gateway is on a getaway, catch it quickly. | Dec 06 15:05 |
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| traveler3 | Any idea how to set up your own applets on your own website ? | Dec 06 15:06 |
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| trmanco | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o... | Dec 06 15:09 |
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| traveler3 | trmanco: what's the significence of that slashdot article ? | Dec 06 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | simson.net? | Dec 06 15:13 |
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| traveler3 | simon.net ? | Dec 06 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | That's the domain | Dec 06 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't click | Dec 06 15:17 |
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| traveler3 | "Microsoft Word and Excel, on the other hand, set the timestamp on the ZIP archive to be January 1, 1980" | Dec 06 15:19 |
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| twitter | So? | Dec 06 15:20 |
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| traveler3 | Not much good for forensics then :) | Dec 06 15:20 |
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| twitter | is that what you do? | Dec 06 15:20 |
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| traveler3 | Well, I do test out security, don't want to leave any tracks :) | Dec 06 15:23 |
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| twitter | is it true that XP and Vista leave more tracks than Word then? | Dec 06 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's an antifeature | Dec 06 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | How do they market it? "Recovery" purposes? | Dec 06 15:24 |
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| twitter | undo features are nice to have | Dec 06 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Cellphones... buy one... use one... you must... see how everyone on TV has one. | Dec 06 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's 'good' for you so that "YOUR FRIENDS" know where you are (also good for government surveillance... SHEESH) | Dec 06 15:25 |
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| twitter | I like persistent, personal communications, not what telcos do with the information. | Dec 06 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | Vista shadowcopy (or whatever it's called)... good for the user? Or good for the police? | Dec 06 15:25 |
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| traveler3 | Linux Unified Kernel 0.2.2 was released[->] | Dec 06 15:26 |
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| traveler3 | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl... | Dec 06 15:26 |
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| traveler3 | "Linux Unified Kernel is a computer operating system kernel intended to be binary-compatible with application software and device drivers made for Microsoft Windows and Linux" | Dec 06 15:26 |
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| twitter | If it's like most M$ things, it is good for neither police nor user. It will be unreliable. | Dec 06 15:26 |
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| twitter | Roy pointed to a few opinions of what a bad idea that is recently. | Dec 06 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Which idea? | Dec 06 15:28 |
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| twitter | binary interfaces for the kernel | Dec 06 15:28 |
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| twitter | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/26/one-m... points to http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N... | Dec 06 15:30 |
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| twitter | free software does not need a fake standard like a "stable" binary interface. | Dec 06 15:31 |
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| twitter | Such things are only good for non free software and that is bad for everyone. The more non free software you add to a GNU/Linux distribution, the closer that distribution comes to the Windows cesspool. | Dec 06 15:33 |
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| traveler3 | Microsoft tackles auction pirates .. :) | Dec 06 15:36 |
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| traveler3 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te... | Dec 06 15:36 |
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| traveler3 | "These dealers are peddling bogus products that can put customers and their personal information at serious risk," | Dec 06 15:36 |
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| twitter | Yes, Windows does that. | Dec 06 15:38 |
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| traveler3 | Gates Meets with Obama .. | Dec 06 15:41 |
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| traveler3 | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/1... | Dec 06 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | He'll corrupt him | Dec 06 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | As usual. | Dec 06 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Visas.. concessions... tax, antitrust... | Dec 06 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | There's some BS about Zune, which Microsoft probably gave him to flog its wares | Dec 06 15:42 |
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| traveler3 | It'll be interesting seeing if Obama is allowed to do any actual reform .. | Dec 06 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. "capitalist-turned-philanthropist." Capitalist turned to oil tycoon under "philanthropist" undercover it should state.. with tax exemption for running as a 'charity' | Dec 06 15:43 |
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| traveler3 | Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road? | Dec 06 15:43 |
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| traveler3 | http://www.gather.com/viewArticle... | Dec 06 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | traveler3: /whose/ reform? | Dec 06 15:43 |
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| traveler3 | "I have just released eChicken2008, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook. Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken2008. This new platform is much more stable and will never crash." | Dec 06 15:44 |
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| traveler3 | Obana: he said he wanted to help the 'middle class', extend healtth care, promote bio-fuels, up taxes for the richest .. etc .. | Dec 06 15:45 |
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| traveler3 | Compare what he said he was going to do, with what he is doing ... | Dec 06 15:46 |
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| traveler3 | He said the morgage bailout plan must extend to the home owners, asked the banks to pause on evictions .. | Dec 06 15:48 |
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| traveler3 | Instead, the bailout is only goig to help wallstreet and evictions are going full speed ahead .. | Dec 06 15:49 |
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| twitter | How do PC World and Bill Gates take themselves seriously? Bill Gates giving economic advice to the president? Why not medical advice or home surgery? | Dec 06 15:50 |
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| traveler3 | he called for a family tax rebate to be funded by taxing the huge OIL profits .. that's gone .. | Dec 06 15:51 |
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| twitter | " Gates emphasized that he'd like the government [to do a list of things]" Me too, but I pay a higher proportion of my income for taxes. | Dec 06 15:51 |
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| traveler3 | seriously: they should put Gates in charge of the car industry .. | Dec 06 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Who did, traveler3? | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| twitter | no thanks | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | The guy is delusional. | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | He is polluting planet eartyh in Africa because it's cheaper | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | In the process, he kills Nigerian kids too. | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Becuase it's cheaper, i.e. it's "good money" | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | So here he talks about green fuels.. | Dec 06 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | And advising on finance???????/ The guy is a lawyer who knew how to screw the technical people, steal from them and then play politics with his patents in order to escape convictions. | Dec 06 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Gates does not even pay tax | Dec 06 15:54 |
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| schestowitz | Neither does Microsoft. | Dec 06 15:55 |
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| traveler3 | delusional: who Gates, he's only very good at market capitalism .. | Dec 06 15:55 |
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| twitter | M$ is one of the worst things to happen to education, ever. Their insane attacks on sharing and the Winblows monopoly have made it impossible to implement the kind of universal public library that should exist based on P2P. | Dec 06 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft operates from Ireland and Gates puts his stash in a can called "charity", from which he invests in tobacco, alcohol, gas, oil, etc. | Dec 06 15:55 |
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| traveler3 | What does my info show up as ? | Dec 06 15:56 |
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| twitter | Bill Gates gave the world Encarta. Freedom has given the world Wikipedia, which is universally hated and attacked by big publishers like M$. | Dec 06 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | easynet | Dec 06 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | hah. | Dec 06 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Trust Microsoft with encyclopedias | Dec 06 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Last night I showed W-E brushing up their articles in Wikipedia | Dec 06 15:56 |
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| twitter | Free enterprise and charity created the OLPC project. Intel and M$ have worked relentlessly to destroy it. | Dec 06 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/0... | Dec 06 15:57 |
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| twitter | Saw it, thanks. | Dec 06 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Let Churchill write history | Dec 06 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Better yet, let the neo-Nazis do it. /sarcasm | Dec 06 15:57 |
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| traveler3 | I don't know why you berate Gates, it's just business .. | Dec 06 15:58 |
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| twitter | Wikipedia is just the start. Professional groups will naturally start their own, specialized wikis. | Dec 06 15:58 |
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| traveler3 | As someone once said, s**t sells :) | Dec 06 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | traveler3: shit sells, but people should know | Dec 06 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Like the "X recommends Windows Y" | Dec 06 15:59 |
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| twitter | I would not berate Mr. Gates so much if he did not use so much government protection and purchasing to prop himself up. | Dec 06 15:59 |
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| MinceR | traveler3: that's no excuse for doing evil things | Dec 06 15:59 |
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| twitter | His company has warped laws around the world to suit his purposes. | Dec 06 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | They still do it. | Dec 06 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | They derail EU and Indian laws | Dec 06 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | They single-handedly (With their Windows support companies) lobby to legalise patents on thought. | Dec 06 16:00 |
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| twitter | bbl | Dec 06 16:01 |
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| traveler3 | For example: way back in Hollywood, a group of actors/directors got fed up with the system of beign told what to make by a few all powerfull film companies. They went out and created United Artists. To create real artistic movies instead of the factry produced pap that was the nowm. Well, over time, they became just like the rest. You see, producing quality is difficult and expensive. You can make more money out of selling mass | Dec 06 16:01 |
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| traveler3 | Same with the car industry. When anything really innovative came along, the car industry acted to suppress it. | Dec 06 16:02 |
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| traveler3 | http://www.imdb.com/title/t... | Dec 06 16:04 |
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| traveler3 | More recently we have the OIl industry acting to supress bio-fuels in the US, and the car industry draging-their-feet on electric cars .. | Dec 06 16:05 |
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| traveler3 | nick | Dec 06 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but it doesn't change the subject at hand. | Dec 06 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | That's the "equally evil" pattern of defence. | Dec 06 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | X is OK because Y is "equally evil" | Dec 06 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft tries this game, using Apple and Google as scapegoats (sometimes rightly) | Dec 06 16:13 |
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| _doug | hi all | Dec 06 16:27 |
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| _doug | "Microsoft Corp .. is now eying a search deal with the internet major" | Dec 06 16:28 |
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| _doug | http://www.domain-b.com/infotech/itnew... | Dec 06 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Bullies. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06... | Dec 06 16:29 |
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| _doug | "Carl Icahn .. held talks with the software company about a purchase of Yahoo2019s Internet search business" | Dec 06 16:30 |
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| _doug | http://news.ebrandz.com/yahoo/2008/2304-yah... | Dec 06 16:30 |
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| _doug | 201che is in favor of pursuing a transaction with Microsoft relating to the Yahoo!2019s search business.201d | Dec 06 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | What's with the chars? | Dec 06 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Icahn is their proxy fighter | Dec 06 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Can he be put in prison for agitation and abuse of companies? | Dec 06 16:31 |
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| _doug | WSJ: (2026) Are there any kind of talks about a search deal between Microsoft and Yahoo at the moment? | Dec 06 16:32 |
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| _doug | Ballmer: The answer is no, but I wouldn't tell you if there were. But in this case it's easy. | Dec 06 16:32 |
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| _doug | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/v... | Dec 06 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll punch it some more before grabbing the broom. | Dec 06 16:33 |
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| twitter | heh, Bruce Byfield was handed his ignorant ass by Bruce Perens the other day, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1045... | Dec 06 16:33 |
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| _doug | company patents video uploading .. | Dec 06 17:03 |
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| _doug | http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2008/1... | Dec 06 17:03 |
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| _doug | "Make A Star uses a patented online process .. uploading a video of their performance" | Dec 06 17:03 |
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| _doug | You mean like Youtube ? | Dec 06 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | They should auction it. | Dec 06 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe some troll will sue the world. | Dec 06 17:04 |
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| twitter | 1 in 10 US are either in foreclosure or more than 30 days late on their mortgage http://www.latimes.com/business/investing... | Dec 06 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | What's the diff b/w uploading text and a video? | Dec 06 17:05 |
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| _doug | company patents application whitelisting .. | Dec 06 17:05 |
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| _doug | http://pr-canada.net/index.php?option=com_conte... | Dec 06 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: it's probably worse. | Dec 06 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | They say 90% of the couple are unhappy. The rest don't talk about it.;-) Same with debt... | Dec 06 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | *couples | Dec 06 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: you should become a patent troll. | Dec 06 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | "Do what *they* do* | Dec 06 17:06 |
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| _doug | yea, if only I had gone to lawyer school :) | Dec 06 17:06 |
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| _doug | VI Labs patent Piracy Analysis .. | Dec 06 17:08 |
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| _doug | http://press-releases.techwhack.com... | Dec 06 17:08 |
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| twitter | NYT recommends buying a house. That's a good idea but you have to be rich enough to buy outright to do it. | Dec 06 17:08 |
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| twitter | You can't always do what's in your best interest. | Dec 06 17:08 |
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| _doug | Through V.i. Labs2019 patented technology .. are able to easily detect .. and protect against the threat of piracy .." | Dec 06 17:09 |
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| twitter | Prior art, Spanish Armada. | Dec 06 17:09 |
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| twitter | arrrr | Dec 06 17:09 |
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| _doug | Intel sues UW-Madison .. | Dec 06 17:10 |
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| _doug | http://www.madison.com/... | Dec 06 17:10 |
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| twitter | fuckers! | Dec 06 17:11 |
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| _doug | Comtech patents patented forward error correction .. | Dec 06 17:14 |
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| _doug | http://seekingalpha.com/article/109434-comtec... | Dec 06 17:14 |
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| _doug | "A combination of carrier-in-carrier technology and our patented forward error correction technology enables" | Dec 06 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | "Intel fires back, sues WARF" seems like crossfire | Dec 06 17:14 |
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| _doug | Scalado patented software technologies .. | Dec 06 17:20 |
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| _doug | http://www.symbianone.com/conte... | Dec 06 17:20 |
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| _doug | "With unique and patented software technologies, it is solving critical performance issues using less memory and CPU requirements. Scalado CAPS is the leading imaging solution for camera phones, embedded in 200 million devices" | Dec 06 17:20 |
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| _doug | Even technologies patents video compression .. | Dec 06 17:21 |
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| _doug | http://www.mediacastermagazine.com/issues/IS... | Dec 06 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | They need fences, I guess. | Dec 06 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | They can't compete based on perit | Dec 06 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | They build some walls instead of better products. | Dec 06 17:22 |
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| _doug | "High quality, interactive IPTV can be distributed to entire telco networks without upgrading the network infrastructure" | Dec 06 17:22 |
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| _doug | I'll believe it when I see it .. | Dec 06 17:22 |
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| _doug | how is any IPTV program going to scale to 10 million simultainous viewers ? | Dec 06 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Fibre | Dec 06 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Forget about it now amid depression | Dec 06 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | BT already curled its tail and ran away with that plan for broadband improvment. | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| _doug | From what I've read, it's a hack of peer-to-peer, the broadcast flag and VPN .. | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | *improvement | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| twitter | IPTV would work great as p2p | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | With Windows it's risky | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| twitter | everything with Windows is risky. | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | You never know if a cyber-criminal goes down the line. | Dec 06 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | But if you validate the data, then it's OK | Dec 06 17:25 |
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| _doug | I mean p2p at the ISPs and at the users desktop. For instance, if one user is viweing a prog on a local DSL switch, the switch should share that stream .. locally ... | Dec 06 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Had content been shared it would be easier | Dec 06 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | DRM expires | Dec 06 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine a network where the data pervades PCs more widely. | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Like Akamai in a sense, but not quite | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| _doug | There's a lot of loot to be makde from delivering rich content to the end-users ... | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| twitter | I mean real p2p, not a bunch of expensive and owned ISP boxes. ATT is using those in giant metal boxes on street corners. It's absurd. | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| _doug | Would Akamai work with streaming video ? | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| twitter | There's a lot of loot in .... warfare, that does not make it right. | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: ask MS | Dec 06 17:26 |
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| _doug | maybe we need a video Akamai network, the media companies would subscribe to this .. | Dec 06 17:27 |
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| twitter | It would be better to let people share. | Dec 06 17:27 |
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| twitter | fuck the media companies | Dec 06 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Media companies, securing centralisation | Dec 06 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Of media, power, money. | Dec 06 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | A world where knowledge is free would do justice to society | Dec 06 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | But here we have those patents _doug is listing on trivial ideas. | Dec 06 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | "Maths you can't use" | Dec 06 17:28 |
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| _doug | OLPC Patent Infringement Suit Dismissed by Middlesex Judge .. | Dec 06 17:29 |
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| _doug | http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N60/olpc.html | Dec 06 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Most people can't afford such a suit | Dec 06 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | (unless you're rich, you go under) | Dec 06 17:29 |
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| _doug | Corinex patents noise reduction .. | Dec 06 17:30 |
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| _doug | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081204-... | Dec 06 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | OLPC also lost confidence when dealing with govt. (at the same time under lawsuits) | Dec 06 17:30 |
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| twitter | I like that RMS quote about patents and mosquitoes | Dec 06 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Bilski killed many Mosquitoes. | Dec 06 17:30 |
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| twitter | injustice creates unrest http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-... | Dec 06 17:33 |
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| _doug | pirated CD detector to be patented .. | Dec 06 17:33 |
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| _doug | http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story... | Dec 06 17:33 |
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| _doug | Company patents computerized health care billing .. | Dec 06 17:35 |
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| _doug | http://www.pr-inside.com/knobbe-martens-wins-3-... | Dec 06 17:35 |
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| twitter | ugh. | Dec 06 17:36 |
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| twitter | Medical billing in the US is insane. When you have something done in a US hospital, you often get labwork bills from other places. What you end up with is a blizzard of bills. Anyone can walk in and send fraudulent bills and people would tell because they don't know what's real. | Dec 06 17:38 |
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| _doug | Form a readign of such a patent, is it possible to design and construct such a system. No, not from a bunch of 'A method' statements .. | Dec 06 17:38 |
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| twitter | there's another windows virus making the rounds. Why won't the press call it a windows virus? http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v... | Dec 06 17:39 |
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| twitter | This is nice http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Dec 06 17:41 |
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| twitter | pictures donated to wiki by German government. | Dec 06 17:41 |
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| twitter | while US government starts using silverlight | Dec 06 17:41 |
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| _doug | Hothand Wireless patent web to mobile gateway .. | Dec 06 17:42 |
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| _doug | http://www.wirelessdevnet.com/news... | Dec 06 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: the press didn't get the memo which says "COmpiter != WIndows" | Dec 06 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Carla wrote about it twice recently. | Dec 06 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | She says Microsoft pressure might be to blame] | Dec 06 17:46 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: The Slated post you gave me was amazing. | Dec 06 17:47 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I covered all the points I wanted to make and more! :) | Dec 06 17:48 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I contained an answer to every single claim they made. | Dec 06 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's from [H]omer (in IRC) | Dec 06 17:49 |
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| Omar87 | Thanks both of you. | Dec 06 17:49 |
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| Omar87 | It was a great enlightenment. | Dec 06 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | He uses that too (Enlightenment) | Dec 06 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | I'm off for some exercise, or else I'll need to consider a career as a sumo fighter. | Dec 06 17:53 |
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| *schestowitz back at 8 | Dec 06 17:53 |
| Omar87 | Enjoy your time. | Dec 06 18:00 |
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| twitter | ha ha, Obama not a Zune user after all, http://www.macworld.com/article/137347... | Dec 06 18:18 |
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| MinceR | being an iPoo user isn't better either | Dec 06 18:24 |
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| twitter | it is if you use Rockbox. | Dec 06 18:24 |
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| MinceR | except if you value things like warranty and having enough processing power to play Ogg Vorbis and FLAC. | Dec 06 18:25 |
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| twitter | ?! | Dec 06 18:26 |
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| MinceR | iirc most DMPs are too weak to play them even with rockbox | Dec 06 18:27 |
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| twitter | I can play ogg on my Trekstore and Zaurus. Are iPod ARMS really that sad? | Dec 06 18:27 |
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| MinceR | and warranty probably breaks if crApple finds out you've put other firmware on it | Dec 06 18:27 |
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| MinceR | i'll check | Dec 06 18:27 |
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| twitter | buy the iPod used. | Dec 06 18:27 |
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| MinceR | if the server is willing to talk to me, that is. | Dec 06 18:28 |
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| twitter | Everything I've read gives Rockbox the thumbs up. | Dec 06 18:28 |
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| twitter | I would not consider iPod without it. | Dec 06 18:29 |
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| twitter | Every division of M$ is looking bad, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2... | Dec 06 18:29 |
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| twitter | " Microsoft may be avoiding job cuts, Bellini said. That is making it hard to reduce costs quickly enough, she said. “It takes a long time to take costs out, it’s not easy,” she said." | Dec 06 18:34 |
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| kentma | "Among the 25 most popular laptops on Amazon.com today, only one, the 18th best seller, runs Vista" | Dec 06 18:35 |
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| twitter | " Bellini, the top-ranked software analyst by Institutional Investor magazine, said every one of Microsoft’s five divisions may miss the company’s and analysts’ sales forecasts. The world’s biggest software maker won’t be able to cut enough costs to meet profit goals " | Dec 06 18:35 |
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| twitter | “You see the unemployment numbers -- I don’t think people are worrying about upgrading laptops and desktops.” | Dec 06 18:35 |
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| kentma | But... Bellini thinks Oracle is in a better position... clearly, Bellini hasn't heard of mysql and postgres | Dec 06 18:36 |
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| zoobab | pong | Dec 06 18:38 |
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| twitter | Bellini is an optimist. Oracle's 50% recurring contracts mean Oracle will only lose half their business but M$'s 35% recurring contracts tell a less assuring story for M$. | Dec 06 18:39 |
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| twitter | Here's an odd story. http://affiliatetip.com/news/a... | Dec 06 18:39 |
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| twitter | Oh how a select few love the M$. | Dec 06 18:39 |
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| kentma | twitter: I think you miss my point - the contracts will only be renewed whilst customers remain unaware of postgres, mysql and so on... | Dec 06 18:39 |
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| twitter | I like how M$ sent them a nasty gram. | Dec 06 18:39 |
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| kentma | hehe - that's funny! | Dec 06 18:40 |
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| twitter | kentma, I understand, thanks. Losing half your business is a hell of a thing, so I think Bellini's stance is wildly optimistic. | Dec 06 18:40 |
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| kentma | twitter: ah, okay I see what you mean... | Dec 06 18:41 |
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| twitter | It's like Bellini said, "Oracle is in better shape than M$ because they may only lose 60% of their business next year." Investor asks, "Where's the exit?" | Dec 06 18:42 |
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| twitter | It may be true that Oracle is in better shape than M$, but they are both well, you know. | Dec 06 18:43 |
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| kentma | I suspect that the proprietary software business is on the verge of a total collapse | Dec 06 18:43 |
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| twitter | There are a few niche businesses that will survive, but yeah. | Dec 06 18:43 |
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| twitter | it's about time. | Dec 06 18:43 |
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| trmanco | I'm trying out emacs | Dec 06 18:44 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 06 18:44 |
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| trmanco-on-emacs | cool,emacs has an irc client :-) | Dec 06 18:44 |
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| kentma | trmanco: emacs probably has an emacs. | Dec 06 18:45 |
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| trmanco | let me check | Dec 06 18:45 |
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| trmanco | :| | Dec 06 18:45 |
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| trmanco | I just forgot how to open a new buffer :| | Dec 06 18:45 |
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| twitter | one of my favorite things about knoqueror is vi motion commands. emacs, I'm sure, is more powerful the way you are using it. | Dec 06 18:46 |
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| trmanco | twitter, emacs has VI mode :-P | Dec 06 18:46 |
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| trmanco | haha | Dec 06 18:48 |
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| trmanco | found a tab bar plugin | Dec 06 18:48 |
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| trmanco | now thats more like it | Dec 06 18:48 |
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| trmanco-on-emacs | I'll be going now | Dec 06 18:55 |
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| kentma | cu | Dec 06 18:56 |
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| trmanco | crap | Dec 06 18:56 |
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| kentma | ? | Dec 06 18:56 |
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| trmanco | I can't kill the buffer now | Dec 06 18:56 |
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| kentma | :-) | Dec 06 18:56 |
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| trmanco | haha | Dec 06 18:57 |
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| trmanco | killed | Dec 06 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | It was so cool what they did at the health club. Lots of winning notifications there with my name. :-D | Dec 06 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no Zune, eh? | Dec 06 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | I guess Gates hasn't convinced him yet. He'll push him into 'bigger' things. | Dec 06 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | 'According to the Wall Street Journal, an Obama spokesperson put the rumor to rest, saying “Not true, the President-elect uses an iPod.” It's good to see the incoming administration is on top of the important issues of our day. I feel better about the future already.' | Dec 06 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Another 'phony controversy' http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9WhO3L85tKE | Dec 06 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | At least the Microsoft booster took advantage of this lie while it lasted. | Dec 06 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: tell Belini that Microsoft is ALREADY axing jobs | Dec 06 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | First the TEMPs and the subsidiaries. That's what BillG and Folks love employing people on Visa.. cheaper and disposable. | Dec 06 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: re unemployment, I talked about an hour ago with a friend. The assumption is that the Chinese (or others) will sweep the big companies like GM and if they really feel like it they'll give some jobs to Americans (which are 'expensive') | Dec 06 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out the health club I go to has some 'redundancies' near it. | Dec 06 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: ACK | Dec 06 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: if they renew with Oracle, they'll feed the titans while being forced to lay off their own. The CIOs responsible for such a thing should be laid off. | Dec 06 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: the non-Free software biz is already collapsing, AKAIK, with the exception of the very top elites like Intel and Oracle (both appears to be fraudulent, BTW). | Dec 06 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Ellison was caught deleting mail, IIRC | Dec 06 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | This means that choosing non-Free software is no longer the 'safer' route because even big names like Sun may have uncertain futures. Best one can do is OWN the code. | Dec 06 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: can emacs emulate emacs? | Dec 06 20:14 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I haven't tried yet :-P | Dec 06 20:14 |
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| trmanco | I'll see if I can find a plugin for it | Dec 06 20:14 |
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| trmanco | emacs^2 | Dec 06 20:14 |
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| twitter | Bellini seems to understand M$ layoffs. What they said was "might be resisting" layoffs. | Dec 06 20:15 |
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| wispy | hi roy! | Dec 06 20:15 |
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| wispy | hello twitter | Dec 06 20:15 |
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| twitter | hello | Dec 06 20:15 |
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| twitter | Forry Ackerman, ruined by US healthcare failure http://entertainment.slashdot.org/articl... | Dec 06 20:18 |
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| wispy | rip | Dec 06 20:19 |
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| kentma | that's a great shame | Dec 06 20:19 |
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| kentma | All the key guys of this era are passing away - Asimov, Clarke and now Ackerman | Dec 06 20:20 |
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| wispy | so true | Dec 06 20:20 |
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| wispy | and carlin | Dec 06 20:21 |
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| twitter | What kills me is that he was ruined to pay for healthcare. If he can't afford to die, who can? | Dec 06 20:21 |
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| wispy | the system is broken :( | Dec 06 20:25 |
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| wispy | do you guys know where roy is? | Dec 06 20:25 |
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| twitter | Ballmer wants a quick smack down for Yahoo, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122851712... | Dec 06 20:25 |
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| twitter | Roy is here somewhere. | Dec 06 20:26 |
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| wispy | oh ok thanks | Dec 06 20:26 |
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| twitter | " joint interview Friday with Qi Lu, the newly appointed president of Microsoft's online services business, Mr. Ballmer argued for the two companies to quickly come to an agreement." | Dec 06 20:27 |
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| twitter | - drink my koolaid as fast as you can. | Dec 06 20:27 |
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| wispy | i still think google will win | Dec 06 20:27 |
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| twitter | Yahoo has been damaged. They have to hold out for an honest justice department. | Dec 06 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Cool, RMS helps in organising a protest | Dec 06 20:28 |
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| wispy | Hey Roy! | Dec 06 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Watch MS here: http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/ 2008: Diamond Sponsor: Microsoft http://www.osiweek.com/ | Dec 06 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, wispy | Dec 06 20:29 |
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| wispy | :) | Dec 06 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Just a moment. | Dec 06 20:29 |
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| wispy | ok | Dec 06 20:29 |
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| twitter | "Interoperability" and panel stacking. Somewhere in the Slog literature is a reference to killing Apple conferences with "cross platform" development hype. | Dec 06 20:34 |
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| wispy | interesting | Dec 06 20:35 |
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| wispy | linuxasia.net takes you to osiweek.com, just to let you know | Dec 06 20:36 |
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| twitter | M$ would hype any given conference as being all about Winblows development. That turned off real Apple developers who had no interest in it. M$ would then gloat about low attendance and say, "Apple is dying" | Dec 06 20:36 |
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| wispy | haha | Dec 06 20:36 |
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| wispy | do you know VB, twitter? i never learned it | Dec 06 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | wispy: wait. I found that out. | Dec 06 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post a copy here. | Dec 06 20:39 |
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| wispy | cool | Dec 06 20:40 |
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| twitter | VB? Stay far away. | Dec 06 20:40 |
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| wispy | i thought so ;) | Dec 06 20:40 |
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| twitter | Why would you think of it? | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| wispy | you reminded me of that when you mentioned cross platform | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| wispy | and developer conferences | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| twitter | VB is cross platform? | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| wispy | i dont think so | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | OK, here's what I found | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | RMS is willing to help organise a protest | Dec 06 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | It's not my proposal. | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| wispy | where's it held? | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Here is the 2007 Web site... Watch Microsoft and Novell here: http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/ | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | wispy: I don't know yet. He asked me. | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | 2008 brought this other conference from the same strand: http://www.osiweek.com/ . It seems like they renamed Linux Asia (to "Open source"). In 2006 it was still called Linux Asia and took place in New Delhi < http://www.linuxasia.net/la06/ >. | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| wispy | cool, Roy | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft was not a sponsor that year, but it changed after they had signed the patent deal with Novell. They are listed in alignment now. See? "Diamond Sponsor: Microsoft" | Dec 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is listed on top. I ought to add that Microsoft also was a sole sponsors of SourceForge.org Awards this year. I think a few others joined much later but did not contribute much money. | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | It's in Bn somewhere. I wrote about it like 5 times.. | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| wispy | ms supports sourceforge?? | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Also Linux.com by association | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| wispy | O_o | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| wispy | lol | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | and formerly.. NewsForce and other sites of this network | Dec 06 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | That's why Slashdot is sponosroed by MS | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| wispy | they're everywhere! | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | That's also why they have so many Microsoft ads (as ads and 'news') | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Pseudo-news | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| wispy | hah | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's a matter of money. The SF.net awards included patent-inspiring and lawsuit-inspiring things, which were probably related to this sponsorship. SourceForge.org was flogging Visual Studio to 'open source' developers (it is proprietary software that mostly targets Windows). I have detailed listings of other such examples. OSBC and OSCON are part of this wave too. | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's time to set a foot down and say "no morE". | Dec 06 20:44 |
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| wispy | yes | Dec 06 20:45 |
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| wispy | so are you going to that protest, Roy? | Dec 06 20:45 |
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| wispy | or is it held in India/ | Dec 06 20:45 |
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| twitter | Indeed, the hijack is sickening. "... it was time to grow beyond Linux." into non free software? Barf. | Dec 06 20:46 |
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| wispy | that's a step backwards | Dec 06 20:47 |
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| twitter | So what's the protest plan? | Dec 06 20:48 |
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| twitter | I think the best thing that can happen is that people go to the conference and ignore the M$/Novell/Mono stuff in a way that can be observed. | Dec 06 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | wispy: no, no protest from me | Dec 06 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Unless it's in the UK | Dec 06 20:50 |
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| twitter | I imagine pictures of empty rooms with a few protest banners here and there. | Dec 06 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: where is the quite from? | Dec 06 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | "... it was time to grow beyond Linux. [sic]"? | Dec 06 20:51 |
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| twitter | Quote is front and center of site. | Dec 06 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | It's GNU/Linux first of all (there's a philosophy), but eh Shafters like to make it seem like fanboi games of names and some 'idol' called Linus. | Dec 06 20:51 |
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| wispy | shafters haha | Dec 06 20:51 |
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| twitter | It's the caption to the image of free software people. " The last four years, this event has been held under the brand LinuxAsia. But now, with many more open source champions gaining popularity, it was time to grow beyond Linux. Plus, with the event growing from a Delhi-only affair to a week-long, three city mega event--it has been named Open Source India Week." | Dec 06 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | GNU is now Apple. | Dec 06 20:51 |
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| twitter | Apple is using GNU. | Dec 06 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | wispy: there are weasel words and terms like "Linux fans" | Dec 06 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | It would be harder to say "Freedom fans" | Dec 06 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying "water lovers" | Dec 06 20:52 |
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| wispy | oh ok, Roy | Dec 06 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | LinuxWorld is also changing | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | It 'opens up' to more things. | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| wispy | they look defensive when they call Linux advocates names | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | (not GNU stuff and GPL necessarily) | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| wispy | it's childish | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | They don't | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | They use proxies like Enderle to do that | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | He calls them named | Dec 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | *names. Aggravate, then accuse them of being intolerant or children. it's a bair game | Dec 06 20:54 |
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| wispy | ok | Dec 06 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | *bair | Dec 06 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Arghhh *bait | Dec 06 20:54 |
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| wispy | hehe | Dec 06 20:54 |
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| wispy | trolling? | Dec 06 20:54 |
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| wispy | i see that a lot in the comments for some articles | Dec 06 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, lots of heckling today | Dec 06 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06/linu... "Keep up the good work, Roy. You can tell by the name calling that you have been hitting nerves." | Dec 06 20:56 |
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| wispy | XD | Dec 06 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | They don't talk about the posts much | Dec 06 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | They just shoot from the hip | Dec 06 20:56 |
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| wispy | Roy, don't listen to the haters | Dec 06 20:56 |
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| wispy | you are much better than them | Dec 06 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | They deraila the | Dec 06 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | They derail the page off topicv | Dec 06 20:58 |
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| wispy | :( | Dec 06 20:59 |
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| twitter | If they do that, label them as the hecklers they are. | Dec 06 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06/ooxml... "Seriously, it's gone past silly now. Are you on something?" | Dec 06 20:59 |
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| wispy | if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all | Dec 06 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see... first pathology (calling me senile or something) | Dec 06 20:59 |
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