12.07.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 6th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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Omar87	Hi all.	Dec 06 06:57
Omar87	I’ve had a tough conversation with my cousin a hours ago, and unfortunately, it turned out he completely despises the Freedom of knowledge.	Dec 06 06:59
Omar87	When I told him about free software, he said something that would kill you before it manages to make any bit of sense to you: “Oh but cars, are not free, airplanes are not free, why should software be free?”	Dec 06 07:01
Omar87	As if freedom was all about money.	Dec 06 07:01
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Omar87	Imagine guys, if Thomas Edison, Isaac Newton, Albert Einshtein had done the same thing to their inventions, would we still be at the same level we are at now?	Dec 06 07:03
Omar87	If each one of them decided to monopolize his invention to his own brain and not share with the world, how would have we been right now?	Dec 06 07:04
Omar87	It makes me sick every time I think about it. And it also makes even more determined to fight this satanic selfishness away!	Dec 06 07:06
Omar87	Proprietary, DRM, and organized satanic selfishness MUST burn to the grown. And FOSS, CC, and the philosoph philosophy of Ubuntu MUST rise and rule the world!	Dec 06 07:08
Omar87	Are you with me people? We have to unite against the evil selfishness that lurks within this world!	Dec 06 07:10
Omar87	I’m not playing Braveheart here, nor am I big fan Lord of The Rings, but I’m saying what everyone of should say.	Dec 06 07:10
Omar87	YES to freedom and sharing, and NO to selfishness!!	Dec 06 07:11
anivar	schestowitz: some links from kerala	Dec 06 07:18
anivar	http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/0…	Dec 06 07:18
anivar	http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/05/storie…	Dec 06 07:20
anivar	http://pramode.net/2008/12/05/a-window-to-freedom-re…	Dec 06 07:21
Omar87	anivar: What do you think of what I just said?	Dec 06 07:33
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Omar87	schestowitz: Hi	Dec 06 09:00
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 06 09:00
schestowitz	I was asleep earlier, but I got the message	Dec 06 09:00
Omar87	Did you read what I wrote?	Dec 06 09:02
schestowitz	Yes.	Dec 06 09:02
schestowitz	You should read this: [fetches link]	Dec 06 09:03
Omar87	I personally felt very sad that my cousin, the one whom I really admire, has turned out be a selfish man..	Dec 06 09:03
schestowitz	http://slated.org/the_right_to_own_knowledge	Dec 06 09:03
schestowitz	Some people create products; other create fences.	Dec 06 09:05
schestowitz	*others	Dec 06 09:05
schestowitz	Hehe. Carla’s reaction was the same as mine: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?…	Dec 06 09:07
Omar87	Imagine that he explained his point of view by saying that technologists also need money to pay the bill, man.. -_-	Dec 06 09:09
schestowitz	That’s fine	Dec 06 09:10
schestowitz	They should make products.	Dec 06 09:10
schestowitz	Not by ‘selling’ ideas.	Dec 06 09:10
Omar87	As if he (or the “technologists”) were the only ones who need money to eat and pay the bills.	Dec 06 09:11
schestowitz	There’s the notion of commons	Dec 06 09:11
schestowitz	The CC guys stress this.	Dec 06 09:11
schestowitz	For each person making money, there is another losing money or being deprives access to knowledge	Dec 06 09:11
schestowitz	That’s feudal.	Dec 06 09:12
Omar87	That’s also dictatorship.	Dec 06 09:12
schestowitz	http://mafiaa.org/	Dec 06 09:14
Omar87	Because people are not allowed to use the technology the way they want to. They are locked down to the inventor’s own rules and regulations, even if they were wrong and against humanity.	Dec 06 09:14
Omar87	My cousin also claimed. and this is what hurt most, that FSF and CC ppl don’t even know what they’re talking about.	Dec 06 09:15
Omar87	As if he were the only man who knows anything in the world.	Dec 06 09:16
schestowitz	That’s intolerance.	Dec 06 09:17
schestowitz	When a person declares the other person’s view as irrelevant	Dec 06 09:17
schestowitz	That’s fascism. brb	Dec 06 09:17
Omar87	It’s disgusting how a pathetic human being can sometimes forget that whatever he has learned and invented is all the creation and knowledge of God, and he was only guided by God to reveal this thing or that for the human kind.	Dec 06 09:19
Omar87	Oh, yeah, and that’s what made me sure that I have defeated him successfully.	Dec 06 09:20
Omar87	But I didn’t mention that to him of course.	Dec 06 09:20
Omar87	Because, apparently, it seems as though my cousins worst nightmare is when someone gets close to proving him wrong.	Dec 06 09:21
Omar87	Of course, let alone being someone half his age, and has less than 0.0001% of experience than he does.	Dec 06 09:23
Omar87	experience in programing and soft/hardware dev. of course.	Dec 06 09:23
Omar87	take your time.	Dec 06 09:25
Omar87	And I’ll b r b too.	Dec 06 09:25
schestowitz	It’s a question of scarcity. There’s none on the Web, except superficial ones.	Dec 06 09:29
schestowitz	WMD Used by 2013 < http://technocrat.net/d/2… >	Dec 06 09:51
schestowitz	Server market takes a tumble < http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… >	Dec 06 09:56
Omar87	schestowitz: That’s his(my cousin) latest answer to my question(the same one I’ve posted here): http://paste.ubuntu.com/81295/	Dec 06 10:20
schestowitz	People kstify what they do	Dec 06 10:21
schestowitz	*justify	Dec 06 10:21
schestowitz	I imagine that he makes money by withholding so-called trade secrets of some kind	Dec 06 10:21
Omar87	Of course he does.	Dec 06 10:22
schestowitz	That’s OK	Dec 06 10:24
Omar87	Yes it is.	Dec 06 10:24
schestowitz	It’s a class thing. As soon as we rid ourselves from this exploitation of mental monopolies, that’s a solves problem	Dec 06 10:24
schestowitz	Ito needs to travel the world and ‘unbrainwash’ people affected and inflicted by the ‘copyrights cartel’	Dec 06 10:24
Omar87	Yeah	Dec 06 10:26
Omar87	I wish I could bring my cousin down here.	Dec 06 10:26
Omar87	I can assure you’ll be taking good care of him for me.	Dec 06 10:27
Omar87	But, yet he still never gives himself a minute to stop looking at life from his own corporate eyes.	Dec 06 10:28
Omar87	That’s unfortunate.	Dec 06 10:28
schestowitz	That would be worthwhile	Dec 06 10:31
Omar87	That’s how I answered him.	Dec 06 10:47
Omar87	http://paste.ubuntu.com/81304/	Dec 06 10:47
Omar87	What would be worthwhile?	Dec 06 10:48
schestowitz	Ideas Are Everywhere… So Why Do We Limit Them? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20080507/… >	Dec 06 10:49
Omar87	You read my pastebin?	Dec 06 10:51
schestowitz	Yes, I have/	Dec 06 10:52
Omar87	What do you think??	Dec 06 10:53
schestowitz	It’s true.	Dec 06 10:53
schestowitz	Being an ahteist, however, I attribute knowledge only to society	Dec 06 10:53
Omar87	ok	Dec 06 10:54
schestowitz	We’re all weird creature. Trying to enslave others for ‘daring’ to think something	Dec 06 10:54
schestowitz	Microsoft bullies Linux vendors for daring to write instructions.	Dec 06 10:54
Omar87	Oh man.	Dec 06 10:56
Omar87	And yet, my cousin points out Bill Gates, the filthy backstabber, as an exceptional inventor.	Dec 06 10:56
schestowitz	There’s brainwash around it.	Dec 06 10:57
Omar87	How hilarious./	Dec 06 10:57
schestowitz	There are many known people who merely copied others.	Dec 06 10:57
Omar87	Yeah, and I showed him a link about the unusual story of MS-DOS, the one where Bill Gates backstabs Gary Killdal.	Dec 06 10:58
Omar87	However, I can bet 1000000% that he never even clicked it. Why? because it falsifies his claims.	Dec 06 10:59
Omar87	It’s been a pleasure to talk to you Roy.	Dec 06 10:59
schestowitz	Exactly.	Dec 06 10:59
schestowitz	Exactly. [to that former: ” because it falsifies his claims.”)	Dec 06 11:00
Omar87	Oh yeah! When I showed him www.fsf.org, only two words came out of his mouth: “Not interested.”.	Dec 06 11:00
Omar87	Yeah, I know [to that former: " Exactly"]	Dec 06 11:01
Omar87	Anyhow, I talk to you soon.	Dec 06 11:01
Omar87	Best wishes, and thanks for your time.	Dec 06 11:01
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trmanco	http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/worl…	Dec 06 11:19
schestowitz	“Linux needs a Wine 1.0 release, installed and preconfigured on desktop distributions.”	Dec 06 11:20
trmanco	it is old	Dec 06 11:21
schestowitz	I know	Dec 06 11:21
trmanco	the comment carrying this link on the wine release was dugg down	Dec 06 11:22
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Eruaran	hello	Dec 06 11:23
trmanco	hi	Dec 06 11:24
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 06 11:24
Eruaran	Welp	Dec 06 11:24
Eruaran	I’m using Gnome now	Dec 06 11:24
Eruaran	My KDE 4.2 install didn’t go so swimmingly	Dec 06 11:25
Eruaran		Dec 06 11:25
schestowitz	Could you go back?	Dec 06 11:25
Eruaran	KDE is all broken	Dec 06 11:26
schestowitz	It’s beta	Dec 06 11:26
Eruaran	I should have done a separate install for 4.2	Dec 06 11:26
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 06 11:26
Eruaran	I was way to cavilier about it	Dec 06 11:26
Eruaran	But I was like, “she’ll be right”	Dec 06 11:27
Eruaran	A while later I was saying, “ah crap”	Dec 06 11:27
Eruaran	Not to worry though	Dec 06 11:27
schestowitz	“Eruaran> Welp >> I’m using Gnome now” Sounds like “they forced me to use Windows”	Dec 06 11:27
Eruaran	heh	Dec 06 11:27
schestowitz	did you files a bug report?	Dec 06 11:28
Eruaran	I installed Gnome to get a working desktop up and running again	Dec 06 11:28
schestowitz	Maybe you can fetch an update to this update, which will fix it.	Dec 06 11:28
Eruaran	well I might… If and when I figure out what happened	Dec 06 11:28
Eruaran	I cringed as I installed Gnome though	Dec 06 11:28
schestowitz	It’s a good DE	Dec 06 11:29
schestowitz	Nothing evil about ot	Dec 06 11:29
Eruaran	There were far too many “libmono…” things flying up the screen during the install	Dec 06 11:29
schestowitz	Mono is not GNOME	Dec 06 11:29
schestowitz	Sorry to hear that	Dec 06 11:29
Eruaran	I don’t mind gnome itself	Dec 06 11:29
Eruaran	The new Dust theme is nice	Dec 06 11:29
Eruaran	Its not that I hate gnome or anything	Dec 06 11:30
Eruaran	I’m just not really excited by it	Dec 06 11:30
Eruaran	Its a nice rock solid desktop	Dec 06 11:31
Eruaran	Which is what you want when you’ve just broken your other desktop	Dec 06 11:32
schestowitz	With a beta	Dec 06 11:32
Eruaran	yes	Dec 06 11:32
schestowitz	Best thing is to use what’s preinstalled with Distro X version Y.	Dec 06 11:33
Eruaran	yes	Dec 06 11:33
Eruaran	But I wanted to seeeee	Dec 06 11:33
Eruaran		Dec 06 11:33
Eruaran	KDM still works	Dec 06 11:34
Eruaran	How good is it though	Dec 06 11:35
Eruaran	You can totally bork your desktop and just install another and carry on	Dec 06 11:35
schestowitz	LXDE?	Dec 06 11:36
Eruaran	No, I installed Gnome	Dec 06 11:36
schestowitz	What if…….	Dec 06 11:36
Eruaran	All my usual KDE apps are automatically in the menus and everything	Dec 06 11:36
schestowitz	You backed up ~./.kde + more, then deleted them and fetched a stable KDE version?	Dec 06 11:37
Eruaran	yes	Dec 06 11:37
schestowitz	I don’t see why you can’t just fix it, by backing up, removing and then installing.	Dec 06 11:37
Eruaran	I can	Dec 06 11:37
Eruaran	But this was last night	Dec 06 11:37
schestowitz	The b0rkness is at the home dir and install packages, so remove them.	Dec 06 11:37
Eruaran	And it was late…	Dec 06 11:37
schestowitz	You can do it later.	Dec 06 11:38
Eruaran	yes	Dec 06 11:38
schestowitz	Which distro is this?	Dec 06 11:38
Eruaran	kubuntu	Dec 06 11:38
schestowitz	Ah, easy	Dec 06 11:38
schestowitz	sudo apt-get rmove kubuntu-desktop	Dec 06 11:38
schestowitz	or sudo apt-get rmove kde-desktop	Dec 06 11:38
Eruaran	yep	Dec 06 11:38
schestowitz	then install (should get the stable release)	Dec 06 11:38
Eruaran	yes I already ## my experimental source	Dec 06 11:39
Eruaran	uninstalling now	Dec 06 11:40
Eruaran	I think I’ll keep both desktops	Dec 06 11:44
schestowitz	Why not? It’s the same price.	Dec 06 11:45
schestowitz	$0	Dec 06 11:45
Eruaran		Dec 06 11:45
Eruaran	My brother is coming down next weekend, so I want him to have a look at both	Dec 06 11:45
schestowitz	Just remove mono >:-\| It’ll poop on your KDE. j/k	Dec 06 11:45
Eruaran	maybe creat a script which you start with the command, “unpoop”	Dec 06 11:46
Eruaran	sudo sh unpoop	Dec 06 11:47
Eruaran	I like Fedora’s new animated boot with Plymouth	Dec 06 11:48
Eruaran	Shortly after, suddenly there’s video’s on youtube of Windows 7 with a somewhat less impressive animated boot	Dec 06 11:49
schestowitz	There’s mononono	Dec 06 11:53
schestowitz	http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/	Dec 06 11:54
Eruaran	yes	Dec 06 11:57
schestowitz	Eruaran: did Fort 25 approves your comment in their Microsoft Fort?	Dec 06 12:29
schestowitz	*approve	Dec 06 12:29
Eruaran	haven’t checked	Dec 06 12:36
Eruaran	nope	Dec 06 12:37
Eruaran	I tried to comment on the “FOSS in India” entry	Dec 06 12:37
schestowitz	Do they /ever/ accept comments?	Dec 06 12:42
schestowitz	Maybe it’s in moderation?	Dec 06 12:42
Eruaran	Yes, thats what it is	Dec 06 12:50
MinceR	geekings	Dec 06 13:30
Eruaran	hello	Dec 06 13:32
schestowitz	Greetingz	Dec 06 13:36
trmanco	hi	Dec 06 13:37
trmanco	Microsoft partners with Strawberry Perl to improve the CPAN: http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/38036?from=rss	Dec 06 14:10
trmanco	Microsoft infiltrating itself in FOSS again	Dec 06 14:10
trmanco	Silvershell 0.6 Released: http://ironpython-urls.blogspot.com/2008/12/…	Dec 06 14:13
trmanco	“It runs in the browser with Silverlight 2 or on the desktop with a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation – which means it won’t run on Mono) User Interface.”	Dec 06 14:13
trmanco	weird	Dec 06 14:14
schestowitz	Yuck	Dec 06 14:16
trmanco	LOL	Dec 06 14:16
schestowitz	They want to leave Linux naked	Dec 06 14:17
schestowitz	It’s Embrace and Extand.	Dec 06 14:17
schestowitz	*Extend	Dec 06 14:17
schestowitz	And I was gonna write about it soon because there are more examples.	Dec 06 14:18
trmanco	I would prefer to use Mono/Moonlight then pure Windows/Silverlight	Dec 06 14:22
trmanco	even better is to avoid, avoid,avoid	Dec 06 14:24
trmanco	http://ubuntu-tweak.com/2008/12/05/ubuntu-twe…	Dec 06 14:33
trmanco	It would be better if they could rename it to Fedora Tweak	Dec 06 14:34
schestowitz	haha.	Dec 06 14:35
schestowitz	it makes it sounds like Fedora needs tweaking to “be more like Ubuntu”	Dec 06 14:35
trmanco	Most recent Windows infections result from the same simple trick: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Most-recent-Wi…	Dec 06 14:37
*schestowitz is glad he needs to know nothing about viruses		Dec 06 14:41
schestowitz	A computer should like a toaster… you need to clean it before you use it	Dec 06 14:42
trmanco	I do clean my computer	Dec 06 14:43
trmanco		Dec 06 14:43
schestowitz	Dust.	Dec 06 14:43
trmanco	yes dust	Dec 06 14:45
trmanco	among other things, system stuff	Dec 06 14:46
trmanco	I clean apt-cache to save disk space, I clean grubs boot menus só that I don’t have a bunch of kernels to boot from, etc	Dec 06 14:46
twitter	if you remove old kernels, grub will clean it’s boot menu. ;-)	Dec 06 14:48
trmanco	I only remove unnecessary kernels when I do a system upgrade	Dec 06 14:51
trmanco	grub just hides the kernel, in my case	Dec 06 14:51
trmanco	old kernels*	Dec 06 14:51
twitter	I’m lazy about it myself, so I’ll sometimes end up with four kernels. It would be better for me to free the disk space, but as long as they sit there, I might as well have a way to use them.	Dec 06 14:52
twitter	My Thinkpad 600 had a lot of kernels under Sarge and Etch. It had a nasty sound chip, and one or two of those kernels worked it. Lenny seems to have fixed that.	Dec 06 14:54
twitter	I still had to load the module with irq and other parameters with /etc/modules to make it work though. :’(	Dec 06 14:55
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schestowitz	hey, traveler3	Dec 06 15:02
traveler3	hi there ..	Dec 06 15:02
schestowitz	Hey, what’s up?	Dec 06 15:03
traveler3	I’m on a web gateway ..	Dec 06 15:03
twitter	what does your gateway do?	Dec 06 15:03
schestowitz	getaway	Dec 06 15:04
traveler3	IS a web to IRC gateway ..	Dec 06 15:04
twitter	mine stays in the same place	Dec 06 15:04
traveler3	http://java.freenode.net/	Dec 06 15:04
twitter	if your gateway is on a getaway, catch it quickly.	Dec 06 15:05
traveler3	Any idea how to set up your own applets on your own website ?	Dec 06 15:06
trmanco	http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o…	Dec 06 15:09
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traveler3	trmanco: what’s the significence of that slashdot article ?	Dec 06 15:11
schestowitz	simson.net?	Dec 06 15:13
traveler3	simon.net ?	Dec 06 15:15
schestowitz	That’s the domain	Dec 06 15:17
schestowitz	I didn’t click	Dec 06 15:17
traveler3	“Microsoft Word and Excel, on the other hand, set the timestamp on the ZIP archive to be January 1, 1980″	Dec 06 15:19
twitter	So?	Dec 06 15:20
traveler3	Not much good for forensics then	Dec 06 15:20
twitter	is that what you do?	Dec 06 15:20
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traveler3	Well, I do test out security, don’t want to leave any tracks	Dec 06 15:23
twitter	is it true that XP and Vista leave more tracks than Word then?	Dec 06 15:24
schestowitz	It’s an antifeature	Dec 06 15:24
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schestowitz	How do they market it? “Recovery” purposes?	Dec 06 15:24
twitter	undo features are nice to have	Dec 06 15:24
schestowitz	Cellphones… buy one… use one… you must… see how everyone on TV has one.	Dec 06 15:24
schestowitz	It’s ‘good’ for you so that “YOUR FRIENDS” know where you are (also good for government surveillance… SHEESH)	Dec 06 15:25
twitter	I like persistent, personal communications, not what telcos do with the information.	Dec 06 15:25
schestowitz	Vista shadowcopy (or whatever it’s called)… good for the user? Or good for the police?	Dec 06 15:25
traveler3	Linux Unified Kernel 0.2.2 was released[->]	Dec 06 15:26
traveler3	http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl…	Dec 06 15:26
traveler3	“Linux Unified Kernel is a computer operating system kernel intended to be binary-compatible with application software and device drivers made for Microsoft Windows and Linux”	Dec 06 15:26
twitter	If it’s like most M$ things, it is good for neither police nor user. It will be unreliable.	Dec 06 15:26
twitter	Roy pointed to a few opinions of what a bad idea that is recently.	Dec 06 15:27
schestowitz	Which idea?	Dec 06 15:28
twitter	binary interfaces for the kernel	Dec 06 15:28
twitter	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/26/one-m… points to http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N…	Dec 06 15:30
twitter	free software does not need a fake standard like a “stable” binary interface.	Dec 06 15:31
twitter	Such things are only good for non free software and that is bad for everyone. The more non free software you add to a GNU/Linux distribution, the closer that distribution comes to the Windows cesspool.	Dec 06 15:33
traveler3	Microsoft tackles auction pirates ..	Dec 06 15:36
traveler3	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te…	Dec 06 15:36
traveler3	“These dealers are peddling bogus products that can put customers and their personal information at serious risk,”	Dec 06 15:36
twitter	Yes, Windows does that.	Dec 06 15:38
traveler3	Gates Meets with Obama ..	Dec 06 15:41
traveler3	http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/1…	Dec 06 15:41
schestowitz	He’ll corrupt him	Dec 06 15:41
schestowitz	As usual.	Dec 06 15:41
schestowitz	Visas.. concessions… tax, antitrust…	Dec 06 15:42
schestowitz	There’s some BS about Zune, which Microsoft probably gave him to flog its wares	Dec 06 15:42
traveler3	It’ll be interesting seeing if Obama is allowed to do any actual reform ..	Dec 06 15:42
schestowitz	Haha. “capitalist-turned-philanthropist.” Capitalist turned to oil tycoon under “philanthropist” undercover it should state.. with tax exemption for running as a ‘charity’	Dec 06 15:43
traveler3	Why Did the Chicken Cross the Road?	Dec 06 15:43
traveler3	http://www.gather.com/viewArticle…	Dec 06 15:43
schestowitz	traveler3: /whose/ reform?	Dec 06 15:43
traveler3	“I have just released eChicken2008, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook. Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken2008. This new platform is much more stable and will never crash.”	Dec 06 15:44
traveler3	Obana: he said he wanted to help the ‘middle class’, extend healtth care, promote bio-fuels, up taxes for the richest .. etc ..	Dec 06 15:45
traveler3	Compare what he said he was going to do, with what he is doing …	Dec 06 15:46
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traveler3	He said the morgage bailout plan must extend to the home owners, asked the banks to pause on evictions ..	Dec 06 15:48
traveler3	Instead, the bailout is only goig to help wallstreet and evictions are going full speed ahead ..	Dec 06 15:49
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twitter	How do PC World and Bill Gates take themselves seriously? Bill Gates giving economic advice to the president? Why not medical advice or home surgery?	Dec 06 15:50
traveler3	he called for a family tax rebate to be funded by taxing the huge OIL profits .. that’s gone ..	Dec 06 15:51
twitter	” Gates emphasized that he’d like the government [to do a list of things]” Me too, but I pay a higher proportion of my income for taxes.	Dec 06 15:51
traveler3	seriously: they should put Gates in charge of the car industry ..	Dec 06 15:52
schestowitz	Who did, traveler3?	Dec 06 15:53
twitter	no thanks	Dec 06 15:53
schestowitz	The guy is delusional.	Dec 06 15:53
schestowitz	He is polluting planet eartyh in Africa because it’s cheaper	Dec 06 15:53
schestowitz	In the process, he kills Nigerian kids too.	Dec 06 15:53
schestowitz	Becuase it’s cheaper, i.e. it’s “good money”	Dec 06 15:53
schestowitz	So here he talks about green fuels..	Dec 06 15:53
schestowitz	And advising on finance???????/ The guy is a lawyer who knew how to screw the technical people, steal from them and then play politics with his patents in order to escape convictions.	Dec 06 15:54
schestowitz	Gates does not even pay tax	Dec 06 15:54
schestowitz	Neither does Microsoft.	Dec 06 15:55
traveler3	delusional: who Gates, he’s only very good at market capitalism ..	Dec 06 15:55
twitter	M$ is one of the worst things to happen to education, ever. Their insane attacks on sharing and the Winblows monopoly have made it impossible to implement the kind of universal public library that should exist based on P2P.	Dec 06 15:55
schestowitz	Microsoft operates from Ireland and Gates puts his stash in a can called “charity”, from which he invests in tobacco, alcohol, gas, oil, etc.	Dec 06 15:55
traveler3	What does my info show up as ?	Dec 06 15:56
twitter	Bill Gates gave the world Encarta. Freedom has given the world Wikipedia, which is universally hated and attacked by big publishers like M$.	Dec 06 15:56
schestowitz	easynet	Dec 06 15:56
schestowitz	hah.	Dec 06 15:56
schestowitz	Trust Microsoft with encyclopedias	Dec 06 15:56
schestowitz	Last night I showed W-E brushing up their articles in Wikipedia	Dec 06 15:56
twitter	Free enterprise and charity created the OLPC project. Intel and M$ have worked relentlessly to destroy it.	Dec 06 15:57
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/0…	Dec 06 15:57
twitter	Saw it, thanks.	Dec 06 15:57
schestowitz	Let Churchill write history	Dec 06 15:57
schestowitz	Better yet, let the neo-Nazis do it. /sarcasm	Dec 06 15:57
traveler3	I don’t know why you berate Gates, it’s just business ..	Dec 06 15:58
twitter	Wikipedia is just the start. Professional groups will naturally start their own, specialized wikis.	Dec 06 15:58
traveler3	As someone once said, s**t sells	Dec 06 15:58
schestowitz	traveler3: shit sells, but people should know	Dec 06 15:58
schestowitz	Like the “X recommends Windows Y”	Dec 06 15:59
twitter	I would not berate Mr. Gates so much if he did not use so much government protection and purchasing to prop himself up.	Dec 06 15:59
MinceR	traveler3: that’s no excuse for doing evil things	Dec 06 15:59
twitter	His company has warped laws around the world to suit his purposes.	Dec 06 15:59
schestowitz	They still do it.	Dec 06 15:59
schestowitz	They derail EU and Indian laws	Dec 06 15:59
schestowitz	They single-handedly (With their Windows support companies) lobby to legalise patents on thought.	Dec 06 16:00
twitter	bbl	Dec 06 16:01
traveler3	For example: way back in Hollywood, a group of actors/directors got fed up with the system of beign told what to make by a few all powerfull film companies. They went out and created United Artists. To create real artistic movies instead of the factry produced pap that was the nowm. Well, over time, they became just like the rest. You see, producing quality is difficult and expensive. You can make more money out of selling mass	Dec 06 16:01
traveler3	Same with the car industry. When anything really innovative came along, the car industry acted to suppress it.	Dec 06 16:02
traveler3	http://www.imdb.com/title/t…	Dec 06 16:04
traveler3	More recently we have the OIl industry acting to supress bio-fuels in the US, and the car industry draging-their-feet on electric cars ..	Dec 06 16:05
traveler3	nick	Dec 06 16:11
schestowitz	Yes, but it doesn’t change the subject at hand.	Dec 06 16:13
schestowitz	That’s the “equally evil” pattern of defence.	Dec 06 16:13
schestowitz	X is OK because Y is “equally evil”	Dec 06 16:13
schestowitz	Microsoft tries this game, using Apple and Google as scapegoats (sometimes rightly)	Dec 06 16:13
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_doug	hi all	Dec 06 16:27
_doug	“Microsoft Corp .. is now eying a search deal with the internet major”	Dec 06 16:28
_doug	http://www.domain-b.com/infotech/itnew…	Dec 06 16:28
schestowitz	Bullies. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06…	Dec 06 16:29
_doug	“Carl Icahn .. held talks with the software company about a purchase of Yahoo2019s Internet search business”	Dec 06 16:30
_doug	http://news.ebrandz.com/yahoo/2008/2304-yah…	Dec 06 16:30
_doug	201che is in favor of pursuing a transaction with Microsoft relating to the Yahoo!2019s search business.201d	Dec 06 16:30
schestowitz	What’s with the chars?	Dec 06 16:30
schestowitz	Icahn is their proxy fighter	Dec 06 16:31
schestowitz	Can he be put in prison for agitation and abuse of companies?	Dec 06 16:31
_doug	WSJ: (2026) Are there any kind of talks about a search deal between Microsoft and Yahoo at the moment?	Dec 06 16:32
_doug	Ballmer: The answer is no, but I wouldn’t tell you if there were. But in this case it’s easy.	Dec 06 16:32
_doug	http://www.tgdaily.com/content/v…	Dec 06 16:32
schestowitz	Maybe they’ll punch it some more before grabbing the broom.	Dec 06 16:33
twitter	heh, Bruce Byfield was handed his ignorant ass by Bruce Perens the other day, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1045…	Dec 06 16:33
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_doug	company patents video uploading ..	Dec 06 17:03
_doug	http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2008/1…	Dec 06 17:03
_doug	“Make A Star uses a patented online process .. uploading a video of their performance”	Dec 06 17:03
_doug	You mean like Youtube ?	Dec 06 17:04
schestowitz	They should auction it.	Dec 06 17:04
schestowitz	Maybe some troll will sue the world.	Dec 06 17:04
twitter	1 in 10 US are either in foreclosure or more than 30 days late on their mortgage http://www.latimes.com/business/investing…	Dec 06 17:05
schestowitz	What’s the diff b/w uploading text and a video?	Dec 06 17:05
_doug	company patents application whitelisting ..	Dec 06 17:05
_doug	http://pr-canada.net/index.php?option=com_conte…	Dec 06 17:05
schestowitz	twitter: it’s probably worse.	Dec 06 17:05
schestowitz	They say 90% of the couple are unhappy. The rest don’t talk about it.;-) Same with debt…	Dec 06 17:05
schestowitz	*couples	Dec 06 17:06
schestowitz	_doug: you should become a patent troll.	Dec 06 17:06
schestowitz	“Do what they do*	Dec 06 17:06
_doug	yea, if only I had gone to lawyer school	Dec 06 17:06
_doug	VI Labs patent Piracy Analysis ..	Dec 06 17:08
_doug	http://press-releases.techwhack.com…	Dec 06 17:08
twitter	NYT recommends buying a house. That’s a good idea but you have to be rich enough to buy outright to do it.	Dec 06 17:08
twitter	You can’t always do what’s in your best interest.	Dec 06 17:08
_doug	Through V.i. Labs2019 patented technology .. are able to easily detect .. and protect against the threat of piracy ..”	Dec 06 17:09
twitter	Prior art, Spanish Armada.	Dec 06 17:09
twitter	arrrr	Dec 06 17:09
_doug	Intel sues UW-Madison ..	Dec 06 17:10
_doug	http://www.madison.com/…	Dec 06 17:10
twitter	fuckers!	Dec 06 17:11
_doug	Comtech patents patented forward error correction ..	Dec 06 17:14
_doug	http://seekingalpha.com/article/109434-comtec…	Dec 06 17:14
_doug	“A combination of carrier-in-carrier technology and our patented forward error correction technology enables”	Dec 06 17:14
schestowitz	“Intel fires back, sues WARF” seems like crossfire	Dec 06 17:14
_doug	Scalado patented software technologies ..	Dec 06 17:20
_doug	http://www.symbianone.com/conte…	Dec 06 17:20
_doug	“With unique and patented software technologies, it is solving critical performance issues using less memory and CPU requirements. Scalado CAPS is the leading imaging solution for camera phones, embedded in 200 million devices”	Dec 06 17:20
_doug	Even technologies patents video compression ..	Dec 06 17:21
_doug	http://www.mediacastermagazine.com/issues/IS…	Dec 06 17:21
schestowitz	They need fences, I guess.	Dec 06 17:21
schestowitz	They can’t compete based on perit	Dec 06 17:21
schestowitz	They build some walls instead of better products.	Dec 06 17:22
_doug	“High quality, interactive IPTV can be distributed to entire telco networks without upgrading the network infrastructure”	Dec 06 17:22
_doug	I’ll believe it when I see it ..	Dec 06 17:22
_doug	how is any IPTV program going to scale to 10 million simultainous viewers ?	Dec 06 17:23
schestowitz	Fibre	Dec 06 17:23
schestowitz	Forget about it now amid depression	Dec 06 17:23
schestowitz	BT already curled its tail and ran away with that plan for broadband improvment.	Dec 06 17:24
_doug	From what I’ve read, it’s a hack of peer-to-peer, the broadcast flag and VPN ..	Dec 06 17:24
schestowitz	*improvement	Dec 06 17:24
twitter	IPTV would work great as p2p	Dec 06 17:24
schestowitz	With Windows it’s risky	Dec 06 17:24
twitter	everything with Windows is risky.	Dec 06 17:24
schestowitz	You never know if a cyber-criminal goes down the line.	Dec 06 17:24
schestowitz	But if you validate the data, then it’s OK	Dec 06 17:25
_doug	I mean p2p at the ISPs and at the users desktop. For instance, if one user is viweing a prog on a local DSL switch, the switch should share that stream .. locally …	Dec 06 17:25
schestowitz	Had content been shared it would be easier	Dec 06 17:25
schestowitz	DRM expires	Dec 06 17:25
schestowitz	Imagine a network where the data pervades PCs more widely.	Dec 06 17:26
schestowitz	Like Akamai in a sense, but not quite	Dec 06 17:26
_doug	There’s a lot of loot to be makde from delivering rich content to the end-users …	Dec 06 17:26
twitter	I mean real p2p, not a bunch of expensive and owned ISP boxes. ATT is using those in giant metal boxes on street corners. It’s absurd.	Dec 06 17:26
_doug	Would Akamai work with streaming video ?	Dec 06 17:26
twitter	There’s a lot of loot in …. warfare, that does not make it right.	Dec 06 17:26
schestowitz	_doug: ask MS	Dec 06 17:26
_doug	maybe we need a video Akamai network, the media companies would subscribe to this ..	Dec 06 17:27
twitter	It would be better to let people share.	Dec 06 17:27
twitter	fuck the media companies	Dec 06 17:27
schestowitz	Media companies, securing centralisation	Dec 06 17:28
schestowitz	Of media, power, money.	Dec 06 17:28
schestowitz	A world where knowledge is free would do justice to society	Dec 06 17:28
schestowitz	But here we have those patents _doug is listing on trivial ideas.	Dec 06 17:28
schestowitz	“Maths you can’t use”	Dec 06 17:28
_doug	OLPC Patent Infringement Suit Dismissed by Middlesex Judge ..	Dec 06 17:29
_doug	http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N60/olpc.html	Dec 06 17:29
schestowitz	Most people can’t afford such a suit	Dec 06 17:29
schestowitz	(unless you’re rich, you go under)	Dec 06 17:29
_doug	Corinex patents noise reduction ..	Dec 06 17:30
_doug	http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081204-…	Dec 06 17:30
schestowitz	OLPC also lost confidence when dealing with govt. (at the same time under lawsuits)	Dec 06 17:30
twitter	I like that RMS quote about patents and mosquitoes	Dec 06 17:30
schestowitz	Bilski killed many Mosquitoes.	Dec 06 17:30
twitter	injustice creates unrest http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-…	Dec 06 17:33
_doug	pirated CD detector to be patented ..	Dec 06 17:33
_doug	http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story…	Dec 06 17:33
_doug	Company patents computerized health care billing ..	Dec 06 17:35
_doug	http://www.pr-inside.com/knobbe-martens-wins-3-…	Dec 06 17:35
twitter	ugh.	Dec 06 17:36
twitter	Medical billing in the US is insane. When you have something done in a US hospital, you often get labwork bills from other places. What you end up with is a blizzard of bills. Anyone can walk in and send fraudulent bills and people would tell because they don’t know what’s real.	Dec 06 17:38
_doug	Form a readign of such a patent, is it possible to design and construct such a system. No, not from a bunch of ‘A method’ statements ..	Dec 06 17:38
twitter	there’s another windows virus making the rounds. Why won’t the press call it a windows virus? http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v…	Dec 06 17:39
twitter	This is nice http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?…	Dec 06 17:41
twitter	pictures donated to wiki by German government.	Dec 06 17:41
twitter	while US government starts using silverlight	Dec 06 17:41
_doug	Hothand Wireless patent web to mobile gateway ..	Dec 06 17:42
_doug	http://www.wirelessdevnet.com/news…	Dec 06 17:42
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schestowitz	twitter: the press didn’t get the memo which says “COmpiter != WIndows”	Dec 06 17:45
schestowitz	Carla wrote about it twice recently.	Dec 06 17:46
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schestowitz	She says Microsoft pressure might be to blame]	Dec 06 17:46
Omar87	schestowitz: The Slated post you gave me was amazing.	Dec 06 17:47
Omar87	schestowitz: I covered all the points I wanted to make and more!	Dec 06 17:48
Omar87	schestowitz: I contained an answer to every single claim they made.	Dec 06 17:49
schestowitz	It’s from [H]omer (in IRC)	Dec 06 17:49
Omar87	Thanks both of you.	Dec 06 17:49
Omar87	It was a great enlightenment.	Dec 06 17:49
schestowitz	He uses that too (Enlightenment)	Dec 06 17:50
schestowitz	I’m off for some exercise, or else I’ll need to consider a career as a sumo fighter.	Dec 06 17:53
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Omar87	Enjoy your time.	Dec 06 18:00
twitter	ha ha, Obama not a Zune user after all, http://www.macworld.com/article/137347…	Dec 06 18:18
MinceR	being an iPoo user isn’t better either	Dec 06 18:24
twitter	it is if you use Rockbox.	Dec 06 18:24
MinceR	except if you value things like warranty and having enough processing power to play Ogg Vorbis and FLAC.	Dec 06 18:25
twitter	?!	Dec 06 18:26
MinceR	iirc most DMPs are too weak to play them even with rockbox	Dec 06 18:27
twitter	I can play ogg on my Trekstore and Zaurus. Are iPod ARMS really that sad?	Dec 06 18:27
MinceR	and warranty probably breaks if crApple finds out you’ve put other firmware on it	Dec 06 18:27
MinceR	i’ll check	Dec 06 18:27
twitter	buy the iPod used.	Dec 06 18:27
MinceR	if the server is willing to talk to me, that is.	Dec 06 18:28
twitter	Everything I’ve read gives Rockbox the thumbs up.	Dec 06 18:28
twitter	I would not consider iPod without it.	Dec 06 18:29
twitter	Every division of M$ is looking bad, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2…	Dec 06 18:29
twitter	” Microsoft may be avoiding job cuts, Bellini said. That is making it hard to reduce costs quickly enough, she said. “It takes a long time to take costs out, it’s not easy,” she said.”	Dec 06 18:34
kentma	“Among the 25 most popular laptops on Amazon.com today, only one, the 18th best seller, runs Vista”	Dec 06 18:35
twitter	” Bellini, the top-ranked software analyst by Institutional Investor magazine, said every one of Microsoft’s five divisions may miss the company’s and analysts’ sales forecasts. The world’s biggest software maker won’t be able to cut enough costs to meet profit goals “	Dec 06 18:35
twitter	“You see the unemployment numbers — I don’t think people are worrying about upgrading laptops and desktops.”	Dec 06 18:35
kentma	But… Bellini thinks Oracle is in a better position… clearly, Bellini hasn’t heard of mysql and postgres	Dec 06 18:36
zoobab	pong	Dec 06 18:38
twitter	Bellini is an optimist. Oracle’s 50% recurring contracts mean Oracle will only lose half their business but M$’s 35% recurring contracts tell a less assuring story for M$.	Dec 06 18:39
twitter	Here’s an odd story. http://affiliatetip.com/news/a…	Dec 06 18:39
twitter	Oh how a select few love the M$.	Dec 06 18:39
kentma	twitter: I think you miss my point – the contracts will only be renewed whilst customers remain unaware of postgres, mysql and so on…	Dec 06 18:39
twitter	I like how M$ sent them a nasty gram.	Dec 06 18:39
kentma	hehe – that’s funny!	Dec 06 18:40
twitter	kentma, I understand, thanks. Losing half your business is a hell of a thing, so I think Bellini’s stance is wildly optimistic.	Dec 06 18:40
kentma	twitter: ah, okay I see what you mean…	Dec 06 18:41
twitter	It’s like Bellini said, “Oracle is in better shape than M$ because they may only lose 60% of their business next year.” Investor asks, “Where’s the exit?”	Dec 06 18:42
twitter	It may be true that Oracle is in better shape than M$, but they are both well, you know.	Dec 06 18:43
kentma	I suspect that the proprietary software business is on the verge of a total collapse	Dec 06 18:43
twitter	There are a few niche businesses that will survive, but yeah.	Dec 06 18:43
twitter	it’s about time.	Dec 06 18:43
trmanco	I’m trying out emacs	Dec 06 18:44
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trmanco	LOL	Dec 06 18:44
trmanco-on-emacs	cool,emacs has an irc client	Dec 06 18:44
kentma	trmanco: emacs probably has an emacs.	Dec 06 18:45
trmanco	let me check	Dec 06 18:45
trmanco		Dec 06 18:45
trmanco	I just forgot how to open a new buffer	Dec 06 18:45
twitter	one of my favorite things about knoqueror is vi motion commands. emacs, I’m sure, is more powerful the way you are using it.	Dec 06 18:46
trmanco	twitter, emacs has VI mode	Dec 06 18:46
trmanco	haha	Dec 06 18:48
trmanco	found a tab bar plugin	Dec 06 18:48
trmanco	now thats more like it	Dec 06 18:48
trmanco-on-emacs	I’ll be going now	Dec 06 18:55
kentma	cu	Dec 06 18:56
trmanco	crap	Dec 06 18:56
kentma	?	Dec 06 18:56
trmanco	I can’t kill the buffer now	Dec 06 18:56
kentma		Dec 06 18:56
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trmanco	haha	Dec 06 18:57
trmanco	killed	Dec 06 18:57
schestowitz	It was so cool what they did at the health club. Lots of winning notifications there with my name.	Dec 06 20:04
schestowitz	twitter: no Zune, eh?	Dec 06 20:04
schestowitz	I guess Gates hasn’t convinced him yet. He’ll push him into ‘bigger’ things.	Dec 06 20:05
schestowitz	‘According to the Wall Street Journal, an Obama spokesperson put the rumor to rest, saying “Not true, the President-elect uses an iPod.” It’s good to see the incoming administration is on top of the important issues of our day. I feel better about the future already.’	Dec 06 20:05
schestowitz	Another ‘phony controversy’ http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9WhO3L85tKE	Dec 06 20:06
schestowitz	At least the Microsoft booster took advantage of this lie while it lasted.	Dec 06 20:06
schestowitz	twitter: tell Belini that Microsoft is ALREADY axing jobs	Dec 06 20:07
schestowitz	First the TEMPs and the subsidiaries. That’s what BillG and Folks love employing people on Visa.. cheaper and disposable.	Dec 06 20:08
schestowitz	twitter: re unemployment, I talked about an hour ago with a friend. The assumption is that the Chinese (or others) will sweep the big companies like GM and if they really feel like it they’ll give some jobs to Americans (which are ‘expensive’)	Dec 06 20:09
schestowitz	Turns out the health club I go to has some ‘redundancies’ near it.	Dec 06 20:09
schestowitz	zoobab: ACK	Dec 06 20:10
schestowitz	kentma: if they renew with Oracle, they’ll feed the titans while being forced to lay off their own. The CIOs responsible for such a thing should be laid off.	Dec 06 20:11
schestowitz	kentma: the non-Free software biz is already collapsing, AKAIK, with the exception of the very top elites like Intel and Oracle (both appears to be fraudulent, BTW).	Dec 06 20:12
schestowitz	Ellison was caught deleting mail, IIRC	Dec 06 20:12
schestowitz	This means that choosing non-Free software is no longer the ‘safer’ route because even big names like Sun may have uncertain futures. Best one can do is OWN the code.	Dec 06 20:13
schestowitz	trmanco: can emacs emulate emacs?	Dec 06 20:14
trmanco	schestowitz, I haven’t tried yet	Dec 06 20:14
trmanco	I’ll see if I can find a plugin for it	Dec 06 20:14
trmanco	emacs^2	Dec 06 20:14
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twitter	Bellini seems to understand M$ layoffs. What they said was “might be resisting” layoffs.	Dec 06 20:15
wispy	hi roy!	Dec 06 20:15
wispy	hello twitter	Dec 06 20:15
twitter	hello	Dec 06 20:15
twitter	Forry Ackerman, ruined by US healthcare failure http://entertainment.slashdot.org/articl…	Dec 06 20:18
wispy	rip	Dec 06 20:19
kentma	that’s a great shame	Dec 06 20:19
kentma	All the key guys of this era are passing away – Asimov, Clarke and now Ackerman	Dec 06 20:20
wispy	so true	Dec 06 20:20
wispy	and carlin	Dec 06 20:21
twitter	What kills me is that he was ruined to pay for healthcare. If he can’t afford to die, who can?	Dec 06 20:21
wispy	the system is broken	Dec 06 20:25
wispy	do you guys know where roy is?	Dec 06 20:25
twitter	Ballmer wants a quick smack down for Yahoo, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122851712…	Dec 06 20:25
twitter	Roy is here somewhere.	Dec 06 20:26
wispy	oh ok thanks	Dec 06 20:26
twitter	” joint interview Friday with Qi Lu, the newly appointed president of Microsoft’s online services business, Mr. Ballmer argued for the two companies to quickly come to an agreement.”	Dec 06 20:27
twitter	- drink my koolaid as fast as you can.	Dec 06 20:27
wispy	i still think google will win	Dec 06 20:27
twitter	Yahoo has been damaged. They have to hold out for an honest justice department.	Dec 06 20:28
schestowitz	Cool, RMS helps in organising a protest	Dec 06 20:28
wispy	Hey Roy!	Dec 06 20:29
schestowitz	Watch MS here: http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/ 2008: Diamond Sponsor: Microsoft http://www.osiweek.com/	Dec 06 20:29
schestowitz	Hey, wispy	Dec 06 20:29
wispy		Dec 06 20:29
schestowitz	Just a moment.	Dec 06 20:29
wispy	ok	Dec 06 20:29
twitter	“Interoperability” and panel stacking. Somewhere in the Slog literature is a reference to killing Apple conferences with “cross platform” development hype.	Dec 06 20:34
wispy	interesting	Dec 06 20:35
wispy	linuxasia.net takes you to osiweek.com, just to let you know	Dec 06 20:36
twitter	M$ would hype any given conference as being all about Winblows development. That turned off real Apple developers who had no interest in it. M$ would then gloat about low attendance and say, “Apple is dying”	Dec 06 20:36
wispy	haha	Dec 06 20:36
wispy	do you know VB, twitter? i never learned it	Dec 06 20:38
schestowitz	wispy: wait. I found that out.	Dec 06 20:39
schestowitz	I’ll post a copy here.	Dec 06 20:39
wispy	cool	Dec 06 20:40
twitter	VB? Stay far away.	Dec 06 20:40
wispy	i thought so	Dec 06 20:40
twitter	Why would you think of it?	Dec 06 20:41
wispy	you reminded me of that when you mentioned cross platform	Dec 06 20:41
wispy	and developer conferences	Dec 06 20:41
twitter	VB is cross platform?	Dec 06 20:41
wispy	i dont think so	Dec 06 20:41
schestowitz	OK, here’s what I found	Dec 06 20:41
schestowitz	RMS is willing to help organise a protest	Dec 06 20:41
schestowitz	It’s not my proposal.	Dec 06 20:42
wispy	where’s it held?	Dec 06 20:42
schestowitz	Here is the 2007 Web site… Watch Microsoft and Novell here: http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/	Dec 06 20:42
schestowitz	wispy: I don’t know yet. He asked me.	Dec 06 20:42
schestowitz	2008 brought this other conference from the same strand: http://www.osiweek.com/ . It seems like they renamed Linux Asia (to “Open source”). In 2006 it was still called Linux Asia and took place in New Delhi < http://www.linuxasia.net/la06/ >.	Dec 06 20:42
wispy	cool, Roy	Dec 06 20:42
schestowitz	Microsoft was not a sponsor that year, but it changed after they had signed the patent deal with Novell. They are listed in alignment now. See? “Diamond Sponsor: Microsoft”	Dec 06 20:42
schestowitz	Microsoft is listed on top. I ought to add that Microsoft also was a sole sponsors of SourceForge.org Awards this year. I think a few others joined much later but did not contribute much money.	Dec 06 20:43
schestowitz	It’s in Bn somewhere. I wrote about it like 5 times..	Dec 06 20:43
wispy	ms supports sourceforge??	Dec 06 20:43
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 06 20:43
schestowitz	Also Linux.com by association	Dec 06 20:43
wispy	O_o	Dec 06 20:43
wispy	lol	Dec 06 20:43
schestowitz	and formerly.. NewsForce and other sites of this network	Dec 06 20:43
schestowitz	That’s why Slashdot is sponosroed by MS	Dec 06 20:44
wispy	they’re everywhere!	Dec 06 20:44
schestowitz	That’s also why they have so many Microsoft ads (as ads and ‘news’)	Dec 06 20:44
schestowitz	Pseudo-news	Dec 06 20:44
wispy	hah	Dec 06 20:44
schestowitz	It’s a matter of money. The SF.net awards included patent-inspiring and lawsuit-inspiring things, which were probably related to this sponsorship. SourceForge.org was flogging Visual Studio to ‘open source’ developers (it is proprietary software that mostly targets Windows). I have detailed listings of other such examples. OSBC and OSCON are part of this wave too.	Dec 06 20:44
schestowitz	It’s time to set a foot down and say “no morE”.	Dec 06 20:44
wispy	yes	Dec 06 20:45
wispy	so are you going to that protest, Roy?	Dec 06 20:45
wispy	or is it held in India/	Dec 06 20:45
twitter	Indeed, the hijack is sickening. “… it was time to grow beyond Linux.” into non free software? Barf.	Dec 06 20:46
wispy	that’s a step backwards	Dec 06 20:47
twitter	So what’s the protest plan?	Dec 06 20:48
twitter	I think the best thing that can happen is that people go to the conference and ignore the M$/Novell/Mono stuff in a way that can be observed.	Dec 06 20:50
schestowitz	wispy: no, no protest from me	Dec 06 20:50
schestowitz	Unless it’s in the UK	Dec 06 20:50
twitter	I imagine pictures of empty rooms with a few protest banners here and there.	Dec 06 20:50
schestowitz	twitter: where is the quite from?	Dec 06 20:50
schestowitz	“… it was time to grow beyond Linux. [sic]“?	Dec 06 20:51
twitter	Quote is front and center of site.	Dec 06 20:51
schestowitz	It’s GNU/Linux first of all (there’s a philosophy), but eh Shafters like to make it seem like fanboi games of names and some ‘idol’ called Linus.	Dec 06 20:51
wispy	shafters haha	Dec 06 20:51
twitter	It’s the caption to the image of free software people. ” The last four years, this event has been held under the brand LinuxAsia. But now, with many more open source champions gaining popularity, it was time to grow beyond Linux. Plus, with the event growing from a Delhi-only affair to a week-long, three city mega event–it has been named Open Source India Week.”	Dec 06 20:51
schestowitz	GNU is now Apple.	Dec 06 20:51
twitter	Apple is using GNU.	Dec 06 20:52
schestowitz	wispy: there are weasel words and terms like “Linux fans”	Dec 06 20:52
schestowitz	It would be harder to say “Freedom fans”	Dec 06 20:52
schestowitz	That’s like saying “water lovers”	Dec 06 20:52
wispy	oh ok, Roy	Dec 06 20:52
schestowitz	LinuxWorld is also changing	Dec 06 20:53
schestowitz	It ‘opens up’ to more things.	Dec 06 20:53
wispy	they look defensive when they call Linux advocates names	Dec 06 20:53
schestowitz	(not GNU stuff and GPL necessarily)	Dec 06 20:53
wispy	it’s childish	Dec 06 20:53
schestowitz	They don’t	Dec 06 20:53
schestowitz	They use proxies like Enderle to do that	Dec 06 20:53
schestowitz	He calls them named	Dec 06 20:53
schestowitz	*names. Aggravate, then accuse them of being intolerant or children. it’s a bair game	Dec 06 20:54
wispy	ok	Dec 06 20:54
schestowitz	*bair	Dec 06 20:54
schestowitz	Arghhh *bait	Dec 06 20:54
wispy	hehe	Dec 06 20:54
wispy	trolling?	Dec 06 20:54
wispy	i see that a lot in the comments for some articles	Dec 06 20:55
schestowitz	Yes, lots of heckling today	Dec 06 20:55
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06/linu… “Keep up the good work, Roy. You can tell by the name calling that you have been hitting nerves.”	Dec 06 20:56
wispy	XD	Dec 06 20:56
schestowitz	They don’t talk about the posts much	Dec 06 20:56
schestowitz	They just shoot from the hip	Dec 06 20:56
wispy	Roy, don’t listen to the haters	Dec 06 20:56
wispy	you are much better than them	Dec 06 20:56
schestowitz	They deraila the	Dec 06 20:58
schestowitz	They derail the page off topicv	Dec 06 20:58
wispy		Dec 06 20:59
twitter	If they do that, label them as the hecklers they are.	Dec 06 20:59
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/06/ooxml… “Seriously, it’s gone past silly now. Are you on something?”	Dec 06 20:59
wispy	if you can’t say anything nice, then don’t say anything at all	Dec 06 20:59
schestowitz	Oh, I see… first pathology (calling me senile or something)	Dec 06 20:59