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schestowitzNow claims I am on drugsDec 06 21:00
wispyroy, you aren't even old!Dec 06 21:00
wispyyou can't be senileDec 06 21:00
wispyi can't imagine you being a druggieDec 06 21:00
wispyyou are too smart for that ;)Dec 06 21:00
schestowitzI think they said something about another illness. Either way, it's funntDec 06 21:01
schestowitzIt's less funny when they strat passing this libel among each otherDec 06 21:01
schestowitzSo the libel reaches public forumsDec 06 21:01
wispyawwwwDec 06 21:01
schestowitzThere are older forms of libel (years old) about homosexuality (false) and change of sex (fake!!). It's gross.Dec 06 21:01
twitterJust block them.  PJ's got it right boot them.  I've never seen any of them do anything useful.Dec 06 21:02
wispythey look patheticDec 06 21:02
schestowitzThere were also ones accusing me of child molestation and trying to pull fake URLs into otDec 06 21:02
schestowitz*itDec 06 21:02
wispyi don't believe them, Roy.  You tell it like is isDec 06 21:02
wispythat's mean!Dec 06 21:03
schestowitzBut they've used up the books of libel by nowDec 06 21:03
schestowitzI haven't been accused of murder yet. ;-pDec 06 21:03
wispyhaha!Dec 06 21:03
wispyRoy, you are too nice to be a murdererDec 06 21:03
schestowitzI know!Dec 06 21:03
wispyi never saw you loose your coolDec 06 21:03
schestowitzThat's what I'd sayDec 06 21:03
wispy:DDec 06 21:04
twitterUS Jobs worse than advertised.  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/bus...Dec 06 21:04
schestowitzBanter. haha...Dec 06 21:04
schestowitzAsvertised by WHOM?Dec 06 21:04
schestowitzThe govt will lie, for sureDec 06 21:04
twitterby US govmntDec 06 21:04
schestowitzThey'll downplay it so that people spend xmas shoppingDec 06 21:04
schestowitz"It'll be fine next year'Dec 06 21:04
schestowitz"The economy goes up and down"Dec 06 21:04
wispytrue lolDec 06 21:05
schestowitz"We have had this before" (citing 2910... PUH-lease!!!)_Dec 06 21:05
schestowitzOops. 1990sDec 06 21:05
schestowitzI explained it to a buddy earlierDec 06 21:05
wispyi hope things are better in 2910Dec 06 21:05
wispy:)Dec 06 21:05
schestowitzWhen you go the the shop to 'drive' the economy..Dec 06 21:05
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schestowitzAll you do is you pay China moreDec 06 21:05
schestowitzThere are not many exports in the US and UKDec 06 21:05
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wispyi did some shopping on black friday; i went at night and it wasn't bad at allDec 06 21:05
schestowitzYes, you pay some to the shopkeeper... but the producers take the big margins.Dec 06 21:06
wispydanDec 06 21:06
wispydarn*Dec 06 21:06
wispyyeah we owe china so muchDec 06 21:06
schestowitzSo in essence, one increase the debt of the UK for instance (bank deficit) and helps other countries that actuallt produce (manual labour)Dec 06 21:06
schestowitzEven the management moves to ChinaDec 06 21:06
schestowitzThe good and affordable electronics come from AsiaDec 06 21:07
wispydid you read "the world is flat", Roy?Dec 06 21:07
schestowitzThey'll soon by companies like GM and blankpunct for penniesDec 06 21:07
wispyit mentions this stuffDec 06 21:07
schestowitz2910 will change EVEYRHTING.Dec 06 21:07
wispyhahahaDec 06 21:07
schestowitzThe aliens will land and pay off the debtDec 06 21:07
wispyi heard that a lot of auto operations are moving to indiaDec 06 21:07
schestowitzThey have a currency called EuralienDec 06 21:08
twitterthis graph is instructive http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008...Dec 06 21:08
wispyi hope they aliens have some cool gadgets, too, hahaDec 06 21:08
schestowitzI didn't read that book (?)Dec 06 21:08
wispyaliens FTW :)Dec 06 21:08
wispyoh you should check it outDec 06 21:08
wispyit came out in 2005Dec 06 21:08
schestowitzNYTImes. Not reliable, twitter Dec 06 21:09
schestowitzThat's the paper that scared people about TERRIBLE weapons of mass destructionDec 06 21:09
schestowitzPart of the obedienct big liesDec 06 21:09
wispycool, i see more women in the workforceDec 06 21:09
schestowitzI rekcon layoffs are much worse than reporteDec 06 21:09
wispyohhhh i see, RoyDec 06 21:09
twitterI rememberDec 06 21:09
schestowitzBy the truth is taboo, at least for Big MediaDec 06 21:09
wispyyupDec 06 21:09
schestowitzI heard from people (not in the press) that army veterans are now recruited againDec 06 21:10
twitterthe long term trend is what gets meDec 06 21:10
wispyleave those poor guys alone, they had enough in iraDec 06 21:10
wispyiraw*Dec 06 21:10
wispyiraq*Dec 06 21:10
schestowitzIra[n|W]*^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HGanistanDec 06 21:11
schestowitz[*]^+1stanDec 06 21:11
schestowitzNOO-KI-LAR!Dec 06 21:11
wispyheheDec 06 21:11
wispyso Roy, you have any plans for winter break?Dec 06 21:12
wispy(end of the month)Dec 06 21:12
twitterOh my.  I hope that's not how the US intends to deal with Indian and Chinese competition.Dec 06 21:12
schestowitzDumbya says it bestDec 06 21:12
wispythat would be catastrophic, twitterDec 06 21:13
twitterEven a limited exchange between India and Pakistan would be death for billions of people.Dec 06 21:13
schestowitzwispy: winter break? I don't work much, so it's just quieter timeDec 06 21:13
wispyyikesDec 06 21:13
wispycool RoyDec 06 21:13
schestowitzI'll spend Christmas with family and friends.Dec 06 21:13
schestowitztwitter: how do you mean?Dec 06 21:13
twitterThat's a good thing to do.Dec 06 21:13
wispyawww, that's sweetDec 06 21:13
schestowitzLike weapons?Dec 06 21:13
schestowitzThey try IP now.Dec 06 21:13
schestowitzThe Microsoft+Obama duo could go and carry on what they doDec 06 21:13
schestowitzI don't know if you read about this in BNDec 06 21:14
schestowitzThe people protest there about itDec 06 21:14
twitterYes, I mean a weapons exchange.Dec 06 21:14
twitterThat would be awful.Dec 06 21:14
schestowitzThe monopolists from the US and UK (BT, govt) try to inject patents into India.Dec 06 21:14
schestowitzThey chaange laws to give wayDec 06 21:14
schestowitzWhat is apatent?Dec 06 21:14
schestowitzIt's a monopolyDec 06 21:14
schestowitzIt's a legal mechanism to say "yes, you can make it more cheaply, but hereby we don't allow you to"Dec 06 21:14
wispyhow restrictive!Dec 06 21:15
schestowitzI heeby announce that I own a method on making cereal with milk.Dec 06 21:15
twitterIt's more like supply control.Dec 06 21:15
schestowitzI shall bribe your PM and make it enforceable lowDec 06 21:15
schestowitz*law. Everyone must pay me for it.Dec 06 21:15
twitterOnly you and you may make this to sell to us and others.Dec 06 21:15
schestowitz(provided I can corrupt the PM into it)Dec 06 21:15
wispyXD RoyDec 06 21:15
schestowitztwitter: the US spends more on weaponary then THE WHOLE WORLD COMBINED.Dec 06 21:16
schestowitz*weaponryDec 06 21:16
wispyO_ODec 06 21:16
twitterSure, but even a poor country like Pakistan can afford nukes.Dec 06 21:16
schestowitzI found it out some days ago in the speechDec 06 21:16
wispywowDec 06 21:16
schestowitz_doug jokes about rhe US having nothing but arms and IPDec 06 21:16
schestowitzImaginary property and property of deathDec 06 21:16
wispyyou forgot to add debt, RoyDec 06 21:17
wispy:PDec 06 21:17
schestowitzThere are some countries out there that are happy to buy cheap weapons for some *ahem* land expansion (crusades)Dec 06 21:17
schestowitzAnd America used to provide the Iraqis weapons to kill people.Dec 06 21:17
schestowitzMore money for America to make, less people to compete with... leaving countries devastated.Dec 06 21:18
wispyhmmmDec 06 21:18
schestowitzMainly in the middle east, central American and part of the far eastDec 06 21:18
wispyi hope that will be curtailed in the futureDec 06 21:19
schestowitztwitter: why 'afford' them..they can make them.Dec 06 21:19
schestowitzLet me find something I posted here hours agoDec 06 21:19
schestowitzWMD Used by 2013 < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/12/5/55235 >Dec 06 21:19
schestowitzThat's why the US MUST disarmDec 06 21:20
schestowitzThere's always this bulls* about American the "responsible"Dec 06 21:20
wispyscaryDec 06 21:20
schestowitzOr France the cultured countries.Dec 06 21:20
wispyi just looked at the link, RoyDec 06 21:20
schestowitzBut they can SELL themDec 06 21:20
schestowitzThat's why they need to bury and dismantle these thingsDec 06 21:21
schestowitzPoor countries will sell anythingDec 06 21:21
schestowitzIt's like a father and a gunDec 06 21:21
wispyeven kids for organ transplants.  That is what Afghanistan is doingDec 06 21:21
schestowitz"I am a responsible adult, " he saysDec 06 21:21
schestowitzOne day the 4-year-old pulls it out of the holster/drawerDec 06 21:21
wispyuh ohDec 06 21:22
schestowitzIn China there are organ traders too.Dec 06 21:22
wispyfulon gong?Dec 06 21:22
schestowitzI dunnoDec 06 21:22
wispyfulan*Dec 06 21:22
wispythey harvest organs from prisonersDec 06 21:22
schestowitz"This is to formally inform and congratulate you on the result of the Dec 06 21:22
schestowitzonline cyber lotto which was conducted from an exclusive list of Dec 06 21:22
schestowitz1,000.000 email addresses of individual and corporate bodies selected Dec 06 21:22
schestowitzby an advanced automated random computer ballot system from the Dec 06 21:22
schestowitzinternet. "Dec 06 21:22
schestowitzYeesh!!Dec 06 21:22
wispyi saw a protest about that in Boston last yearDec 06 21:22
schestowitzGood E-mail :-)Dec 06 21:23
wispylmaoDec 06 21:23
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schestowitzto contact our Certified and Accredited claims agent for category "A" Dec 06 21:23
schestowitzwinners with the information below: "Dec 06 21:23
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schestowitzEmail: marcovanvossen07@aim.com Dec 06 21:23
schestowitzPhone: 0031 633 690 563 Dec 06 21:23
schestowitzFax:   : 0031 847 553 129 "Dec 06 21:23
PetoKrausoh manDec 06 21:23
PetoKrauswireless trouble continuesDec 06 21:23
schestowitzI win every dayDec 06 21:23
schestowitzWhat a lucky guy I must beDec 06 21:23
schestowitzBut I never pick up the prizeDec 06 21:23
PetoKrausmy friend tries to copy 650MB iso over the wifiDec 06 21:23
schestowitz*LOL*Dec 06 21:24
schestowitzThat's a lot of pr0nDec 06 21:24
PetoKrausand all the machines except of the two involved in the transfer are DDoS'dDec 06 21:24
PetoKrausschestowitz: you wishDec 06 21:24
PetoKrausit's james bondDec 06 21:24
wispylol roy!Dec 06 21:24
schestowitzPetoKraus: sure, sure..Dec 06 21:24
schestowitzIs that what he told you?Dec 06 21:24
wispymaybe it's a Live CD? :)Dec 06 21:25
PetoKrausschestowitz: no, i've seen the transferDec 06 21:25
PetoKrausand it doesn't matterDec 06 21:25
PetoKraushow come i can stream porn off the webDec 06 21:25
PetoKrausand not off my own server?Dec 06 21:25
schestowitzPetoKraus:  I was joking anywayDec 06 21:26
wispyi dunno, i'm not a porn expert hahaDec 06 21:26
PetoKrausi wasn't.Dec 06 21:26
PetoKrausi am deadly seriousDec 06 21:26
wispyso what's up with logger_bot, Roy?Dec 06 21:27
wispyjkDec 06 21:27
schestowitzI've not seen him in monthsDec 06 21:28
schestowitzThat server has been up and running relentlesslyDec 06 21:28
wispyawesome!Dec 06 21:28
wispyubuntu is working well i guessDec 06 21:29
wispyreminds me of a story i heard in my IT class weeks ago.  At the CS lab, there was a computer that ran for 12 years without anyone knowing about itDec 06 21:29
wispyIt was in a hole in the wallDec 06 21:29
schestowitzYes, I heard that oneDec 06 21:30
schestowitzGood power supplyDec 06 21:30
wispythey remodeled the lab and forgot to take out the computerDec 06 21:30
wispyXDDec 06 21:30
schestowitzDoes it not reboot after some years?Dec 06 21:31
schestowitzWas it BSD?Dec 06 21:31
wispyi think it was unix, not sure about the variantDec 06 21:32
wispyi don't think it ever rebootedDec 06 21:32
wispyif it did, i think it would have been discoveredDec 06 21:32
PetoKrausoh godDec 06 21:32
wispywhat's up, PK?Dec 06 21:33
zoobab/win 2Dec 06 21:34
schestowitzIf you search Google for W-E now, page 1 has BNDec 06 21:37
schestowitzW-E won't be too happy. Shills unveiledDec 06 21:38
PetoKrauswispy: i turned some images using mirageDec 06 21:38
PetoKrausand they lost EXIFDec 06 21:38
PetoKrausand i can't do HDR outta them properly nowDec 06 21:38
schestowitzOther sites that link to us get listed tooDec 06 21:38
PetoKraussuckageâ„¢Dec 06 21:38
wispyaww that sucksDec 06 21:38
PetoKrausi mean, it's 2008Dec 06 21:39
PetoKrauswhy can't it fucking preserve EXIF?Dec 06 21:39
schestowitzDigg is SO dead.Dec 06 21:39
schestowitzI read something earlier about bribes and manipulators dominating it now.Dec 06 21:39
schestowitzIt was so different 2 years agoDec 06 21:39
schestowitzI might stop with Digg altogether.Dec 06 21:39
schestowitzWhoa!!Dec 06 21:40
schestowitzThey slid like nobody's business.Dec 06 21:40
schestowitzIn both Netcraft and Alexa... I've just noticed.Dec 06 21:40
wispyrip digg hahaDec 06 21:40
schestowitzLike half the position there once were..Dec 06 21:40
schestowitzThey used to be like 9th in ALexa a year agoDec 06 21:40
schestowitz[or more]Dec 06 21:41
wispyyeah a lot of my friends on there don't visit as oftenDec 06 21:41
schestowitzOops. 90thDec 06 21:41
schestowitzNot it's like 300thDec 06 21:41
wispythe site went downhill when the election mania beganDec 06 21:41
schestowitzBN is 3400th in Netcraft! ;-)Dec 06 21:41
wispyi blocked all election and political newsDec 06 21:41
schestowitzwispy: I can imagineDec 06 21:41
schestowitzI didn't see it thoughDec 06 21:41
wispycongrats roy!Dec 06 21:41
schestowitzI read some article easrlierDec 06 21:41
schestowitzAbout all the manipulation that's rampant now.Dec 06 21:41
schestowitzI see friends who used to contribute...Dec 06 21:42
schestowitzTheir stories are not even noticed.Dec 06 21:42
schestowitzThey used to make front pageDec 06 21:42
schestowitzThey used to make front pagesDec 06 21:42
schestowitzThis means that regular readers are hardly there anymoreDec 06 21:42
wispyawwwwDec 06 21:42
schestowitz2006 was GREATDec 06 21:42
schestowitz30 Diggs were enough for front pageDec 06 21:42
wispyi wasn't on then :(Dec 06 21:42
schestowitzOn some days I made 3-5 front  pagesDec 06 21:42
wispyi remember there was a story about the constitution that had 1000 diggs and was still in upcomingDec 06 21:43
schestowitzThe whole Linux/UNIX section was me.. almost... like 70% of it sometime.sDec 06 21:43
wispythe bury brigade was in full forceDec 06 21:43
wispy:'(Dec 06 21:43
schestowitzAll the stories are submitted first now tooDec 06 21:43
schestowitzI can't push the big news in fast enough.Dec 06 21:43
schestowitzMotang is fastDec 06 21:43
wispyyeah he isDec 06 21:45
wispyi'm friends with him nowDec 06 21:45
schestowitzonly fanbi articles made it now.Dec 06 21:45
wispyapple fanboysDec 06 21:45
schestowitzI joked about it to SJVN... if it's not about Lunix FTW, Windows Fail!, then no FPDec 06 21:45
wispyfanbi? you mean being a MS and apple fanboy?  XDDec 06 21:45
wispyjkDec 06 21:45
schestowitzIt's not NEWS that makes it inDec 06 21:45
schestowitzIt's fan stuffDec 06 21:46
schestowitzKeviin Rose compalined about it 2 months ago, openly.Dec 06 21:46
schestowitzHe reliase that Digg is no news.Dec 06 21:46
wispyi never saw diggnationDec 06 21:46
schestowitzIt's a nunber os mobs pushing their O/S agendas and competing in terms of FPsDec 06 21:46
schestowitzHe didn't say it like this, but that's how I put it.Dec 06 21:46
wispyi seeDec 06 21:46
schestowitzwispy: he said this in a conference, IIRCDec 06 21:47
wispyoh okDec 06 21:47
schestowitzHe  ridiculed his own site as a sourceDec 06 21:47
schestowitzHe wants to 'fix' itDec 06 21:47
wispyfirst, you get rid of all the spammersDec 06 21:47
schestowitzIn early 2007 I found people who like me stopped reading Digg's FPDec 06 21:47
schestowitzIt was not newwDec 06 21:47
schestowitzIt was random stuff and noiseDec 06 21:47
wispyyes it isDec 06 21:47
schestowitzSomething just some funny picturesDec 06 21:47
wispyif i wanted that, i'd go to 4chanDec 06 21:47
wispy 4chan is scary!Dec 06 21:47
schestowitzSo in 2007 I cut down on participation a bitDec 06 21:47
schestowitzIn late 2007 it got worse..Dec 06 21:48
wispyi joined in late 07Dec 06 21:48
wispyit was the best thenDec 06 21:48
wispyfor me i meanDec 06 21:48
schestowitzIn early 2008 I stepped into BN more... the Munchkins and stalkers in Digg were a handful anywayDec 06 21:48
schestowitztwitter still has that kind in /.Dec 06 21:48
schestowitz2006 was betterDec 06 21:48
wispypoor twitterDec 06 21:48
schestowitzI was ranked 17th  in 2007Dec 06 21:49
schestowitzNow I'm like 60thDec 06 21:49
wispyyou still are my favorite submitter :DDec 06 21:49
schestowitzI wonder if I'm stil the site's mosy prolific commenter.Dec 06 21:49
wispythere's a ron paul hater who has 16000 commentsDec 06 21:49
schestowitzAt some stage I did about 40 comments/dayDec 06 21:49
schestowitzThat's over 1000/monthDec 06 21:49
wispyi'll show you his profile, brbDec 06 21:49
schestowitzwispy: ah. so he beat me... probably laterDec 06 21:50
wispyhttp://digg.com/users/Herkimer56Dec 06 21:50
schestowitzA lot of the site's 'big' users have leftDec 06 21:50
wispywait, he got banned!Dec 06 21:50
schestowitz(retired so to speak)Dec 06 21:50
schestowitzBut I can't get myself to stop. I have over 3000 friends there, IIRCDec 06 21:51
wispyit's the exact link, so i didn't copy it wrongDec 06 21:51
*kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #boycottnovellDec 06 21:51
schestowitzHey, kapipi Dec 06 21:51
schestowitzOops. kentma Dec 06 21:51
wispyi'm one of them roy :)Dec 06 21:51
schestowitzOops.Dec 06 21:51
schestowitzkevin__: Dec 06 21:51
schestowitzI needed all 3 lettersDec 06 21:51
*kevin__ is now known as kevin832Dec 06 21:51
schestowitzToo many KKKolissionsDec 06 21:52
wispylolDec 06 21:52
kevin832hey guys, i was just reading the articles on your site that say Microsoft wants to promote interoperabilityDec 06 21:52
schestowitztaxoperability we call it. :-)Dec 06 21:52
kevin832why do they not add support for ext3 and the like on Windows?Dec 06 21:52
schestowitzI haven't used that weasel word in a while.Dec 06 21:52
schestowitzWindows is a brickDec 06 21:52
kevin832or out of the box ogg supportDec 06 21:53
schestowitzIt can't even do WinFSDec 06 21:53
schestowitzThey tried.Dec 06 21:53
schestowitzThey 'garbaged' LonghornDec 06 21:53
schestowitzIt's a messDec 06 21:53
schestowitzNo modularity at allDec 06 21:53
schestowitzNow they have a patent on modularity *sough prior art cough*Dec 06 21:53
schestowitzSo they intended to do something about it.Dec 06 21:53
schestowitzBut they didn't get around to it, not even in Vista 7Dec 06 21:53
schestowitzOgg?Dec 06 21:53
kevin832i remember reading about the "one click ordering being patented by a certain company too... man that's crazyDec 06 21:54
schestowitzNo way. It's too Free. They want proprietary WMV/A+Silverlight+DRMDec 06 21:54
schestowitzGotta go the WPF route... to make thing Windows-onlyDec 06 21:54
schestowitzOne-lick... that Jeff Bozo from Amazon.Dec 06 21:54
schestowitz*oops. TypoDec 06 21:54
wispyso Roy, congrats again about winning Mr. Fitness.  How often do you work out?Dec 06 21:58
wispyi try to work out every other day, if i have the timeDec 06 21:58
schestowitz4 a week now.Dec 06 21:58
schestowitzIt used to be 6 or 7Dec 06 21:58
schestowitz(when I was younger)Dec 06 21:59
wispycoolDec 06 21:59
wispyso do you visit the gym?  i just jog outsideDec 06 21:59
schestowitzI come there to drink from the water cooler and speak to people.Dec 06 22:00
wispyah so it is a social thing too :)Dec 06 22:01
wispydo you lift weights?Dec 06 22:01
schestowitzYes, but I push and pull some things too... trying not to break a legDec 06 22:01
wispyaww i hope you don't get a boo-booDec 06 22:02
wispyhow much can you lift?Dec 06 22:02
kevin832anyone else here use jamendo? it's greatDec 06 22:03
wispyi haveDec 06 22:03
kevin832hi-bitrate files and no lock-inDec 06 22:03
wispycreative commons = winDec 06 22:03
schestowitzwispy: lieft how?Dec 06 22:06
wispylike they do in the olympicsDec 06 22:07
wispyover the headDec 06 22:07
schestowitzOver the head? That's crazy.Dec 06 22:09
schestowitzNobody does that except hardcore posers.Dec 06 22:09
wispyi dont know much about weights, sorry hahaDec 06 22:11
wispyso what can you do?Dec 06 22:11
schestowitzIt's not much about armsDec 06 22:11
schestowitzThey use the legs and backs a lotDec 06 22:11
wispyyou did mention that you bench pressDec 06 22:11
schestowitzThen they duck below the bar and use the legs again.Dec 06 22:11
wispyah i seeDec 06 22:11
schestowitzbenchpress I can do about 165KG+barDec 06 22:12
wispywow!!Dec 06 22:12
wispyi weigh much less than that XDDec 06 22:12
schestowitzThat was 2 years ago. I haven't checked since then, but I'm heavier now.Dec 06 22:12
wispyyou can probably pick me up easily lolDec 06 22:12
wispyoh ok royDec 06 22:13
*schestowitz emphasises wispy is femaleDec 06 22:13
schestowitz(can't get the wrong impressions here..Dec 06 22:13
wispylol sryDec 06 22:13
trmancofinallyDec 06 22:20
trmancoschestowitz, emacs has that boxquote thing like knode has :DDec 06 22:21
schestowitzYou could share that bit of code.Dec 06 22:21
schestowitzIt's slow in Knode. It's done inefficiently.Dec 06 22:21
trmancoit is superfast in emacsDec 06 22:21
*schestowitz feels like everyone turns to uber-guru of emacsDec 06 22:22
trmancoyou just have to like keyboard shortcutsDec 06 22:22
schestowitzI guess I'll stick to stupid people's GoooooeyDec 06 22:22
kevin832nano is good for newbies like meDec 06 22:22
wispyawww royDec 06 22:22
schestowitzKnode has keyboard accelerators too... need to memorise them. I hardly use the widgetsDec 06 22:22
schestowitzI use the GUI to point at items mostly.. like cursoring... but the ncurses UIs have that too... even slrnDec 06 22:23
kevin832i'm running irssi in a gnome-terminal right now instead of an x clientDec 06 22:24
schestowitzThat's portableDec 06 22:25
schestowitzYou could SSH to it from a phoneDec 06 22:25
schestowitzNo x-forwardingDec 06 22:25
schestowitzUniversal and without fixed sizes. Linus still uses pine.Dec 06 22:26
schestowitzOh, wait... what is "Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14)"?Dec 06 22:27
trmancoalpineDec 06 22:27
schestowitzOh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_(e-mail_clientDec 06 22:27
schestowitzPine indeedDec 06 22:27
schestowitzHe mailed me from woody.linux-foundation.orgDec 06 22:28
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GoblinRFDHi all.  Seen the news about Dell allegedly dropping Google in favour of Mslies?Dec 06 22:33
wispynope i haven'tDec 06 22:34
GoblinRFDhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/Dec 06 22:34
GoblinRFDyeah!!! My first advert!Dec 06 22:34
GoblinRFDjust a little bit of news I picked up and covered on my little blog.Dec 06 22:35
wispythanks goblinDec 06 22:35
GoblinRFD;)Dec 06 22:35
wispythis sucksDec 06 22:35
wispygoogle > MSDec 06 22:36
kevin832they can use the OEM muscle to get people to use their products :(Dec 06 22:36
wispywell i hope netbooks will change thatDec 06 22:36
GoblinRFDmmm yeah but then, if MS needs to act like a parasite just to get into peoples homes, then it just highlights how desperate they are.Dec 06 22:36
wispywhy pay more to have ms netbooks when a oem can sell linux netbooks?Dec 06 22:36
wispyif netbooks have bigger storage space, i bet you people will buy them in large drovesDec 06 22:37
GoblinRFDDell were probably one of the first large firms to advertise Linux on their systems in the press over in here in the UK.Dec 06 22:37
kevin832i read somewhere that due to contractual ogligations, companies were limiting the hardware in netbooks. that's not rightDec 06 22:37
wispycool goblinDec 06 22:38
wispyi saw an advert for the inspiron mini 12 that had ubuntuDec 06 22:38
wispykevin, that's too badDec 06 22:38
kevin832i see them a lot on distrowatchDec 06 22:38
wispyi want the best hardware, and no contract will get in my wayDec 06 22:38
kevin832eeePC900 for around 300 bucks is temptingDec 06 22:38
GoblinRFDIve noticed that there are alot of small firms springing up offering really good value Linux machines aswell.Dec 06 22:39
schestowitz'Twas the same with H-PDec 06 22:39
schestowitzEven Sun sold out. Microsoft is dumping  $$$ so that it can spy on more peopleDec 06 22:39
wispyroy, you getting in the christmas mood?Dec 06 22:39
wispy'twas.. XDDec 06 22:39
schestowitzIt also uses this to spread the disease (Silver Lie)Dec 06 22:39
kevin832my favorite tactic by microsoft was "playsforsure" for obvious reasonsDec 06 22:40
schestowitzkevin832: yes, Microsoft limits hardware specsDec 06 22:40
kevin832the name is greatDec 06 22:40
wispylolDec 06 22:40
schestowitzThey changed that later because it bit them (more people chose the better-specced Linux sub-notebooks)Dec 06 22:40
kapipiMany people I know cling to IE & MS live even though I have showed them the alternatives.Dec 06 22:40
schestowitzwispy: no, not Xmas slangDec 06 22:41
wispyjk :DDec 06 22:41
schestowitzFor me it's xmas every day, I guess. I do it all the time.Dec 06 22:41
kevin832i confess to using IE on windows because i was/am too lazy, but after using the plugins in firefox i'll switch next time i spend a lot of time in windowsDec 06 22:41
wispyyou are such a jolly person royDec 06 22:41
schestowitzNotSoSure(C)Dec 06 22:41
kevin832ff3 is greatDec 06 22:41
GoblinRFDOur decorations are up.  (Have been since the 1st)Dec 06 22:41
schestowitzNotAnyway(C) technology for enablementDec 06 22:41
wispycool goblinDec 06 22:42
wispyyou have a star on your tree?Dec 06 22:42
GoblinRFDer let me lookDec 06 22:42
schestowitzJust don't put Dell laptops in the stockingsDec 06 22:42
schestowitzThey'll go on fire with those Sony battsDec 06 22:42
wispythey are so small that they might fit haDec 06 22:42
GoblinRFDno, its an angel holding a wand with a star on it.Dec 06 22:42
kevin832i saw a youtube video of one of those batteries exploding... it was niceDec 06 22:43
wispythat's cuteDec 06 22:43
wispylolDec 06 22:43
schestowitzkevin832:  it was also Vista Capable(R)Dec 06 22:43
wispyi saw a videos where they microwaved a furbyDec 06 22:43
wispyvideo*Dec 06 22:43
kevin832they actually explode multiple times because of the multiple cells in the batteryDec 06 22:43
kentmahahah!  that's terrible...Dec 06 22:44
wispyit's like a fireworks extravaganzaDec 06 22:44
wispyhttp://www.youtube.com/watc...Dec 06 22:45
wispyoops wrong linkDec 06 22:55
GoblinRFDlol -  a little disappointing, I thought that sucker would blowup!Dec 06 22:55
wispyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6asfv...Dec 06 22:55
GoblinRFDah, thats better!Dec 06 22:56
kevin832lol... there was another one where people filled a monitor with firecrackers and it literally and completely melted downDec 06 22:56
wispyi hope they had a fire extinguisher nearby lolDec 06 22:56
kevin832http://www.youtube.com/watch?...Dec 06 22:57
trmanco       ,-ODec 06 22:58
trmanco      O(_)) ubuntuDec 06 22:58
trmanco -hrr- `-ODec 06 22:58
wispylmao kevinDec 06 22:59
GoblinRFDUbuntu.  Im happy with 8.10, although that more because its family friendly and the wife is able to use it.Dec 06 22:59
kevin832they even show it from two anglesDec 06 22:59
GoblinRFDI think 9.04 will be something special...if they can stop it being infested with MS "supported" junkDec 06 23:00
trmancoschestowitz, remember that one lined ascii art?Dec 06 23:00
trmancowhere can I get some?Dec 06 23:00
wispythats great kevDec 06 23:00
wispyubuntu is good, i started out with 7.10Dec 06 23:00
wispyi was a college freshman at the time, and i had a new laptop with vistaDec 06 23:01
kevin8327.10 was a great releaseDec 06 23:01
wispyah the memories :)Dec 06 23:01
kevin832the first time I used compiz-fusion :)Dec 06 23:01
trmancomy first *buntu was 7.04Dec 06 23:01
wispycompiz is greatDec 06 23:02
wispyfeistyDec 06 23:02
GoblinRFDI jumped on Ubuntu at 8.04, more out of reputation for being friendly to everyone.  I think now though, most of the mainstream distros are very similar in terms of user friendliness.Dec 06 23:02
GoblinRFDI have to keep in mind that if Im 100% Linux at home, the wife needs to be able to use it.Dec 06 23:02
kevin832the wi-fi support was enhanced quite a bit in 8.10. that's mainly why i upgradedDec 06 23:03
GoblinRFDI was lucky that 8.04 was "out of the box" for me.  I dont think Ive had any major issues with it.Dec 06 23:04
wispymandriva, mint, fedora, and pclinuxos are good for newbiesDec 06 23:04
wispyubuntu's install was cakeDec 06 23:04
wispyi never had wi-fi problems with ubuntuDec 06 23:05
wispyit worked better than vistaDec 06 23:05
GoblinRFDAgreed wispy, although I think most distros now cater for the newer user.Dec 06 23:05
wispyout of the box is important, i agree goblinDec 06 23:05
GoblinRFDI was very impressed with a small distro called NimbleX 08.  An excellent effort by a one man operation.Dec 06 23:06
kevin832i used to use slaxDec 06 23:06
wispyi heard it's niceDec 06 23:06
GoblinRFDand who can not fail to mention.........UBUNTU - SATANIC EDITION!!Dec 06 23:06
wispyslax is based on slackware, right?Dec 06 23:06
kevin832yesDec 06 23:06
wispycoolDec 06 23:06
wispysatanic edition, lolDec 06 23:07
kevin832"copy2ram" is a great feature to have on a live cdDec 06 23:07
wispyi'm not religious, so i use the kde version :PDec 06 23:07
wispyof debianDec 06 23:07
kevin832makes the system run faster than it would if it were on the hard driveDec 06 23:07
schestowitzschestowitz: yes, I remember that ASCII thing.Dec 06 23:08
wispyyeah it's cool how it runs on teh RAMDec 06 23:08
GoblinRFDHas anyone tried a USB stick installation yet?Dec 06 23:08
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/design/An_interest...Dec 06 23:08
wispynope i haventDec 06 23:08
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/design/Complete_...Dec 06 23:08
kevin832i have been considering it on this 16 gb sdhc cardDec 06 23:08
wispy☃Dec 06 23:09
GoblinRFDI keep meaning to give it a go.Dec 06 23:09
wispysnowmanDec 06 23:09
schestowitzGoblinRFD: tried GolbinX?Dec 06 23:09
wispyfedora runs from a usb stick i thinlDec 06 23:09
wispythink*Dec 06 23:09
kevin832ubuntu 8.10 has that "create startup disk" featureDec 06 23:10
wispy✩Dec 06 23:10
wispya gold star for roy's blog!Dec 06 23:10
wispy:)Dec 06 23:10
schestowitzhttp://www.goblinx.com.br/en/ < GoblinX Project >Dec 06 23:14
schestowitzNew site BTWDec 06 23:14
schestowitzAbout 3-4 weeks old..Dec 06 23:14
wispythanks for the link, RoyDec 06 23:15
schestowitzGoblinRFD +NibleX =~ GoblixX = perfect fitDec 06 23:16
schestowitz*Nimble, GoblinDec 06 23:16
wispyheheDec 06 23:17
GoblinRFDlol.Dec 06 23:18
schestowitzDid you know about its existence? it's brazilian.Dec 06 23:19
GoblinRFDI saw that the a while back.Dec 06 23:19
GoblinRFDOf course its no connection to me.Dec 06 23:20
twitter"I have to keep in mind that if Im 100% Linux at home, the wife needs to be able to use it."  Mepis - comes with flash, installs fast, works OK.Dec 06 23:20
trmancoschestowitz, thanksDec 06 23:20
wispymepis is cool, tooDec 06 23:20
twitterWorks OK for my wife and 7 year old girl.Dec 06 23:21
wispyschestowitz: i hope brazil will continue to embrace open sourceDec 06 23:21
schestowitzWarren is back to Debian, right?Dec 06 23:21
GoblinRFDIll take a look.Dec 06 23:21
schestowitzUbuntu wasn't good enough for him...Dec 06 23:21
schestowitz:-)Dec 06 23:21
schestowitzwispy: they already doDec 06 23:21
schestowitzMaybe they embrace it the MOST in the world.Dec 06 23:21
wispyi know :DDec 06 23:21
wispyopen source is the best bet for themDec 06 23:21
twitterI'm not sure.  I think I read that.  Mepis used to be good with locals.Dec 06 23:21
schestowitzYou won't hear about it in Murdoch|FauxDec 06 23:21
wispylolDec 06 23:22
twitterbbl, the wife calls, "help with dinner and kids, right now!"Dec 06 23:22
wispysee ya twitterDec 06 23:22
schestowitztwitter: they love their Debian derivatives.Dec 06 23:22
schestowitzNot pure DebianDec 06 23:22
wispyi love debian, but i don't mind it's babiesDec 06 23:22
wispyits*Dec 06 23:22
GoblinRFDI know that instruction well twitter!Dec 06 23:23
schestowitztwitter: tell her to sudo shutdown :-)Dec 06 23:23
kevin832anybody ever wonder why a distro that is popular like Ubuntu isn't mentioned on TV, the radio, etc... and i'm not talking about commercialsDec 06 23:23
kevin832?Dec 06 23:23
wispylol royDec 06 23:23
schestowitzThen wget wineDec 06 23:23
schestowitzcurl wine is betterDec 06 23:23
schestowitzUbutnu? No KICKBACKS.Dec 06 23:24
schestowitzWhere'e the money for the broadcaster?Dec 06 23:24
schestowitzAny favoursDec 06 23:24
schestowitz?Dec 06 23:24
wispyyeah it's weird, kevDec 06 23:24
schestowitzFree (libre) means no kickbacks. It's not corrupt enough.Dec 06 23:24
wispyso trueDec 06 23:25
GoblinRFD@Kevin, the BBC is currently running a project with Canonical.Dec 06 23:25
wispyGoblinRFD: oh i didn't know, thxDec 06 23:25
schestowitzThey cover the Wii with a smaller userbase.Dec 06 23:25
wispymy mom likes the wii hahaDec 06 23:26
schestowitzwird stuff.Dec 06 23:26
schestowitzwiirdDec 06 23:26
kevin832even on the news you will sometimes see stories about "pcs" and macsDec 06 23:26
schestowitzYesDec 06 23:26
schestowitzMicrosoft must love it when computer=WindowsDec 06 23:27
wispygrrrDec 06 23:27
schestowitzand Macs are some elitist thing that runs with toysDec 06 23:27
wispyit can also mean os/2, bsd, etc.Dec 06 23:27
kevin832i'm sure not many mac users know that it runs on BSD, or even what BSD isDec 06 23:27
wispycomputer i meanDec 06 23:27
wispyi bet they never heard of DarwinDec 06 23:27
schestowitzThe scientist?Dec 06 23:28
MinceRit's not really bsdDec 06 23:28
MinceRit's a horribly monstrosity bsd was hacked intoDec 06 23:28
schestowitzIt's proprietarised BSDDec 06 23:28
MinceRs/bly/ble/Dec 06 23:28
wispyno bsd darwinDec 06 23:28
schestowitzDarwin is something no-one cares aboutDec 06 23:28
MinceRwell, the macfags doDec 06 23:28
wispythey only like shiny stuffDec 06 23:29
MinceRbut nobody cares about them :)Dec 06 23:29
wispyhahaDec 06 23:29
schestowitzDarwin is 6 letters.. too much.Dec 06 23:29
wispyXDDec 06 23:29
schestowitzipod... mac...appl.Dec 06 23:29
wispythat's harsh, Roy!Dec 06 23:29
MinceR:)Dec 06 23:29
wispylolDec 06 23:29
MinceRone can't be too harsh about thatDec 06 23:29
schestowitzSECOND mouse button! WTF!?!?!Dec 06 23:29
wispyyeaDec 06 23:29
kevin832i like my 5 mouse buttons much betterDec 06 23:30
wispyi know you can press ctrl and the mouse button to get right clickDec 06 23:30
wispy 5?!Dec 06 23:30
MinceRi like my 6Dec 06 23:30
kevin832:)Dec 06 23:30
MinceR(if i include the sensitivity+/- buttons)Dec 06 23:30
wispy 6!!!!Dec 06 23:30
schestowitzMine has 3Dec 06 23:30
schestowitzTelepathy does the rest. :-)Dec 06 23:31
schestowitziCookieCutter: coming to Leopard soon.Dec 06 23:31
wispynow that's less overwhelming lolDec 06 23:31
wispythat's funny royDec 06 23:31
schestowitzI can't find this image...Dec 06 23:33
schestowitzOne with a baby that represent Ubuntu and asks for a wiper.Dec 06 23:33
schestowitzI found this along the way though. http://blog.onetbsd.de/wp-conten...Dec 06 23:33
wispycuteDec 06 23:33
schestowitzAlso this one showed up: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad5...Dec 06 23:34
schestowitzDon't know why..Dec 06 23:35
kevin832did you see that south park with paris hilton?Dec 06 23:35
schestowitzzoobab: did MS sue using swpats? Ever?Dec 06 23:37
wispyusing babies in ads = using pathosDec 06 23:37
wispyi don't think that unix ad is true for all of usDec 06 23:37
schestowitzkentma: I haven't, noDec 06 23:37
schestowitzOops. That was to kevin832 Dec 06 23:37
wispyi mean, what an over-generalizationDec 06 23:39
wispyhaha i saw that one beforeDec 06 23:39
wispyi still don't like herDec 06 23:39
wispynope i haven'tDec 06 23:39
wispyi don't have too much time for tv anymoreDec 06 23:39
schestowitzIt encourages dumbing down of people.Dec 06 23:40
kevin832agreedDec 06 23:40
schestowitzPeople mimic this behaviour and attitude.Dec 06 23:40
wispyshe has neither brains nor beautyDec 06 23:40
schestowitzIt's shown as glorifies, as if to say "do this and you'll be loved." That won't help develop the country; unless one is Hustler in the Playboy Mansion or something.Dec 06 23:41
schestowitzwispy: well, she is pretty though.Dec 06 23:41
wispyhmmm plastic surgery??Dec 06 23:41
schestowitzWhich is worse to society? McBush or Hilton?Dec 06 23:42
wispyyea you do have a point XDDec 06 23:42
kevin832lol there was that whole controversy when she got out of jail in about 24 hoursDec 06 23:42
wispyi remember thatDec 06 23:43
schestowitzSpeeding?Dec 06 23:45
schestowitzGates too was arrested, but having grown among tyrants he was _even then_ above the law.Dec 06 23:46
wispysadDec 06 23:46
kevin832wow i never knew he was arrestedDec 06 23:46
wispyremember the mugshot of himDec 06 23:46
wispyit's for thatDec 06 23:46
kevin832what for?Dec 06 23:46
wispyspeedingDec 06 23:47
kevin832i thought one just got a ticket when speeding... unless they are WAY over the limitDec 06 23:49
wispyhey roy, i g2g now.  see ya soon!Dec 06 23:49
wispybye kevDec 06 23:49
kevin832cyaDec 06 23:49
schestowitzvyaDec 06 23:52
schestowitz*cyaDec 06 23:53
wispybye bye xxDec 06 23:53
*wispy has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")Dec 06 23:53
schestowitzGates was speeding excessively, IIRCDec 06 23:53
kevin832ahhDec 06 23:53
schestowitzIt's in the public domain (the records of the incident)Dec 06 23:53
schestowitzVery typical. Very...Dec 06 23:53
Eruaranhello allDec 06 23:54
schestowitzEverything with vanity and exaggeration... like the business practices.Dec 06 23:54
kevin832hiDec 06 23:54
schestowitzhey , Eruaran Dec 06 23:54
schestowitzShould we give up this Fort 25 censorship thing?Dec 06 23:54
schestowitzIt's probably better not to draw any attention to the archers of the Fort anyway. They get little attention as it stands.Dec 06 23:55
EruaranI think you have to register, but its not user friendly enough to actually tell you that you need to register.Dec 06 23:56
EruaranI thought I might sign up just so I can comment... But not until I've read the "services agreement"... the link is dead.Dec 06 23:57
EruaranClick on the services agreement link and... page not found...Dec 06 23:57
schestowitzI guess they won't even mend it.Dec 06 23:58
schestowitzGarbage can site to serve as a placeholder and proof of Web presence as MS 'open source'Dec 06 23:58
EruaranIf they can't even get a couple of things like this to work properly...Dec 06 23:59
schestowitzThere's mcirosoft.com/opensource, IIRCDec 06 23:59
schestowitzThey are very marginal in the FOSS blogosphere.Dec 06 23:59

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