12.09.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 8th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:42 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

kevin__	last night i was listening to the linux action show and they spoke to a person who is in the military and was trying to get them to switch to linux	Dec 08 16:39
kevin__	that whole incident would have been avoided	Dec 08 16:39
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schestowitz	I think they already switch	Dec 08 17:02
schestowitz	Red Hat mostly, servers first	Dec 08 17:02
trmanco	http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/index….	Dec 08 17:25
trmanco	Which is More Important: Open File Format or Free Software?	Dec 08 17:25
kevin__	open file format	Dec 08 17:26
kevin__	that way people can choose	Dec 08 17:26
MinceR	why do i need to choose?	Dec 08 17:26
kevin__	it’s a complicated situation	Dec 08 17:28
kevin__	on one hand, if the file format is free, it seems like the proprietary devs won’t implement it	Dec 08 17:28
twitter	Non free software forces you to chose between your freedom and their captured users, aka your culture.	Dec 08 17:29
kevin__	on the other, if the whole software itsself is free and the content is only available with said free program, they will have to use it	Dec 08 17:29
twitter	It is better to take both your freedom and encourage free formats.	Dec 08 17:29
twitter	These days, actual need for Winblows is rare and can be met with occasional use of other people’s computers.	Dec 08 17:30
kevin__	think about what it would be like if say itunes was free software	Dec 08 17:30
twitter	Why do I need iTunes?	Dec 08 17:30
trmanco	http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/25…	Dec 08 17:30
trmanco	“We will make a new Ogg Theora (with Vorbis audio) opensource/free-based video derivative. This derivative will play natively in Firefox 3.1 release (v3.1 is due around the end of 2008).”	Dec 08 17:31
twitter	Amarok is free and better.	Dec 08 17:31
kevin__	you don’t… i don’t use it either	Dec 08 17:31
twitter	What exactly do you need XP for?	Dec 08 17:31
twitter	Most things run on Wine.	Dec 08 17:31
kevin__	me personally, a program called transcender	Dec 08 17:31
kevin__	i have not tried it in wine though. it uses some nasty drm so it may not work.	Dec 08 17:32
kevin__	it is used to study for certifications which are supposedly vendor neutral	Dec 08 17:32
kevin__	like the A+, Linux+, Net+, etc	Dec 08 17:33
twitter	this program? http://www.transcender.com/dept.aspx?… obviously not “neutral”	Dec 08 17:33
kevin__	yep	Dec 08 17:33
twitter	You might have to use virtual box or parallels	Dec 08 17:33
kevin__	but i suppose it’s more incentive to go after the LPI instead of Linux+ eh?	Dec 08 17:34
kevin__	i already got the A+ so i don’t need it for that thankfully	Dec 08 17:35
twitter	Wine has both success and failure tests http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?s…	Dec 08 17:35
kevin__	one guy says everything works	Dec 08 17:36
kevin__	the other is rated as garbage	Dec 08 17:37
twitter	Most people get their boss to pay for certs like that, see if your boss might also lend you a computer to study. They get better deals on both certs and Winblows (as I’m sure you know) and should at the very least be able to give you a copy of XP to use.	Dec 08 17:37
kevin__	i’m unemployed	Dec 08 17:38
kevin__	i finished school about 5 months ago and have just moved	Dec 08 17:38
schestowitz	trmanco: good link, re: Archive	Dec 08 17:38
schestowitz	I need to return to posting their video	Dec 08 17:39
schestowitz	The producer seems to have begun removing some Oggs, but it’s beginning to make sense now (what is happening)	Dec 08 17:39
kevin__	people really need to push the vorbis/theora formats more	Dec 08 17:43
kevin__	even guys like the Linux Action Show promote mp3 over it	Dec 08 17:43
kevin__	some guys like the linux outlaws and tllts make them equally easy to access though	Dec 08 17:44
kevin__	i always go for the ogg because they don’t sound like running water	Dec 08 17:44
schestowitz	Here’s new use of the <video> element: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/08/ste…	Dec 08 17:45
schestowitz	[thanks to twitter for the pointer]	Dec 08 17:45
twitter	got it from /. firehose	Dec 08 17:47
twitter	the internet archive news is good to see.	Dec 08 17:47
trmanco	schestowitz, I found it in a portuguese blog	Dec 08 17:48
trmanco	an article written by Rui	Dec 08 17:48
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_doug	hi there, Chrome on a USB device, how to save settings ?	Dec 08 17:56
twitter	heh, typical M$ threat on /. http://news.slashdot.org/comments…	Dec 08 17:56
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_doug	IBM launches Linux Defenders ..	Dec 08 17:57
_doug	http://legalpad.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/	Dec 08 17:57
kevin__	i just saw the video	Dec 08 17:59
_doug	how do I get Chrome to remember settings on a USB device ?	Dec 08 18:01
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schestowitz	Hi, redds2soc; _doug	Dec 08 18:11
redds2soc	Hi.	Dec 08 18:12
redds2soc	Seems your site gets a lot of opinions some bizarre others more on topic.	Dec 08 18:13
twitter	the bizarre opinions come from the same group of heckler nyms	Dec 08 18:14
twitter	they seem to have a lot of time on their hands	Dec 08 18:15
redds2soc	I admit I’m new to this whole thing. A friend recommended the boycottnovell site and I wanted to see what it’s all about.	Dec 08 18:16
twitter	I got here through a link on Slashdot about Novell. I stayed around because Roy is good at finding free software news links.	Dec 08 18:18
_doug	redd: it’s a one stop shop for all things wrong about the IT business	Dec 08 18:18
redds2soc	I see that and he has a lot of new links. I was just trying to get a feel for whether there are differing opinions or whether people are just spamming his site.	Dec 08 18:18
twitter	The free software links are good news and largely missing from other sites.	Dec 08 18:18
_doug	Roy gets upset with al lthe dirty-dealings, I say it’s just business :]	Dec 08 18:19
twitter	crime is not business.	Dec 08 18:19
twitter	Roy exposes crime.	Dec 08 18:19
_doug	Any of the top F500 companies didn’t get there by playing fair …	Dec 08 18:20
twitter	Business is something equals do willingly. Society should protect itself from coercion, unfair trusts and extortion. What M$ and Novell are up to is outright crime.	Dec 08 18:22
redds2soc	Doug lol	Dec 08 18:22
trmanco	schestowitz, do you mind if I use this < http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo… > logo?	Dec 08 18:22
redds2soc	Twitter, not trying to stoke the fire. Microshaft I understand, they screw everyone. Novell as far as I understand and I’m not that familiar with them are good corporate citizens how made a huge mistake. But that’s not criminal.	Dec 08 18:23
redds2soc	**who made a huge mistake.	Dec 08 18:24
schestowitz	Sure, trmanco , go ahead	Dec 08 18:24
trmanco	thanks	Dec 08 18:24
schestowitz	It was free where I got it.	Dec 08 18:24
schestowitz	I check licences on images I use.	Dec 08 18:24
_doug	Don’t expect much from anti-Novell zeolots ..	Dec 08 18:24
_doug	http://www.osnews.com/thread?339594	Dec 08 18:24
*schestowitz does a big post asking IBM to fight swpats		Dec 08 18:25
schestowitz	Just in: [opensuse-announce] Wanted: Participants for usability tests of SUSE Studio	Dec 08 18:26
schestowitz	Free labour for MS/Novell?	Dec 08 18:27
schestowitz	It’s NOT OpenSUSE	Dec 08 18:27
schestowitz	“We can offer people from outside SUSE a compensation of 20 Euros/hour (if you need two hours then 40 Euros) Interested? Then write or call me or Sigi (siegfried.olschner@novell.com) “	Dec 08 18:27
schestowitz	“We still need participants for our usability tests of SUSE Studio. The tests will take place here in Nuremberg are one-time tests and will take about one hour each. You should have knowledge in building Linux packages, but should preferably be unexperienced with SUSE Studio. “	Dec 08 18:27
_doug	RAPIDGate patents passports ..	Dec 08 18:27
_doug	http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story…	Dec 08 18:27
_doug	http://www.google.com/patents?id=YLAQAAAA…	Dec 08 18:28
schestowitz	This reminds me of Microsoft inviting Seattle bloggers and giving them free gifts like XBox360 for helping with some ‘study’	Dec 08 18:28
schestowitz	Bloggers (!!), mind you… not people..	Dec 08 18:28
redds2soc	Where do you guys/girls (don’t want to offend), find this stuff?	Dec 08 18:28
schestowitz	redds2soc: RSS feeds	Dec 08 18:28
schestowitz	The guys here help too. _doug posts loads of stuff and so does trmanco and zoobab (in his Web sites)	Dec 08 18:29
trmanco		Dec 08 18:29
redds2soc	Wow. I’ll have to set my rss feeder up and keep coming back. I gotta run. Thanks for all the info.	Dec 08 18:30
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_doug	IEEE setting up patent pools ..	Dec 08 18:31
_doug	http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/h…	Dec 08 18:31
_doug	Brickfish® patents Viral Map ..	Dec 08 18:33
_doug	http://press-releases.techwhack.com/30…	Dec 08 18:33
_doug	An example of Brickfish’s Viral Map technology can be seen here	Dec 08 18:33
kevin__	well i am goin g to give this transcender a shot in wine	Dec 08 18:33
_doug	http://www.brickfish.com/fashion/Coach?tab=…	Dec 08 18:34
_doug	Looks like a Flash applet ..	Dec 08 18:34
_doug	An interactive map, populated with a data set .. it looks pretty ..	Dec 08 18:35
_doug	the GeoView just goes to GoogleMaps ..	Dec 08 18:36
schestowitz	http://www.brickfish.com/Default.aspx	Dec 08 18:39
schestowitz	Is this it? Where are /products/? Let’s see..	Dec 08 18:40
schestowitz	http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/Company/…	Dec 08 18:40
schestowitz	They don’t make chairs, do they.	Dec 08 18:40
_doug	I posted link to a demo ..	Dec 08 18:40
schestowitz	Seems like they sell ideas… not physical products..	Dec 08 18:40
schestowitz	Do they keep their own code?	Dec 08 18:41
schestowitz	Is it closed source?	Dec 08 18:41
schestowitz	If so, they’ve got copyrights.	Dec 08 18:41
_doug	Nokia patents handset gestures ..	Dec 08 18:41
_doug	http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/ne…	Dec 08 18:41
kevin__	darn… it blew up on me… doesn’t get past the splash	Dec 08 18:41
schestowitz	Haha.	Dec 08 18:41
schestowitz	The Flash thing says “patent pending”	Dec 08 18:41
_doug	“Our proprietary tools and technology”	Dec 08 18:42
schestowitz	Also, I get warned about click-jacking.	Dec 08 18:42
schestowitz	So they sell………. ideas??	Dec 08 18:42
_doug	“Brickfish offers an innovative way for brands to engage their target audience online”	Dec 08 18:42
schestowitz	Where is shop/products?	Dec 08 18:43
_doug	Sounds like they patented targeted/interactive advertising ..	Dec 08 18:43
schestowitz	Can’t find: -( http://www.brickfish.com/	Dec 08 18:43
schestowitz	You can’t ‘own’ that	Dec 08 18:43
schestowitz	It’s based on existing logic	Dec 08 18:43
schestowitz	What are those Brickfish people… ‘innovators’?	Dec 08 18:44
schestowitz	[Code name for lamers who want to make money uttering words]	Dec 08 18:44
_doug	“The Brickfish team is led by President and CEO Shahi Ghanem, previously President of Nasdaqlisted	Dec 08 18:45
_doug	DivX, Inc.,”	Dec 08 18:45
_doug	http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/Company…	Dec 08 18:45
schestowitz	http://www.brickfish.com/cam… “Microsoft “I’m a PC” collective”	Dec 08 18:45
schestowitz	I see lots of pro-Microsoft stuff in their site. Maybe it’s a source of influence.	Dec 08 18:45
schestowitz	DivX, another patenter… I think they sue companies	Dec 08 18:46
schestowitz	They had some issue with Yahoo! about a week or two ago	Dec 08 18:46
_doug	If I’m-a-PC is a sample of their innovation, I’m not impressed …	Dec 08 18:46
schestowitz	So he quit DivX and started with patents elsehwere.	Dec 08 18:46
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schestowitz	_doug: not impressed by PC or by the INNOVA~1?	Dec 08 18:47
_doug	I’m impressed with the interactive map, just not the idea of using Gates/Scienfeld	Dec 08 18:47
_doug	http://www.brickfish.com/Lifestyle…	Dec 08 18:47
_doug	But is it of any use .. ?	Dec 08 18:47
_doug	see Xanga 31, I would like to click on it and be able to drill down to the actual data ..	Dec 08 18:49
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_doug	‘Life without Walls’ big in Kazakhstan	Dec 08 18:51
PetoKraus	hmm	Dec 08 18:53
PetoKraus	Linux Kernel Performance Subsystem – but only on Intels so far.	Dec 08 18:53
schestowitz	Phoronic?	Dec 08 18:56
schestowitz	*nix	Dec 08 18:56
_doug	“consumer participation in online advertising campaigns”	Dec 08 18:57
schestowitz	Haha. The app broke.	Dec 08 18:57
_doug	‘viral marketing’ .. can you actually patent that ?	Dec 08 18:57
schestowitz	http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/404.aspx?pro… ” We’re very sorry, but the place you’re looking for is no longer available.”	Dec 08 18:57
schestowitz	ASPX	Dec 08 18:57
PetoKraus	schestowitz: y	Dec 08 18:58
schestowitz	Ask him to mail you spare geatr	Dec 08 18:58
schestowitz	*gea	Dec 08 18:59
_doug	lots of fashion sites, what’s the name of that company that tried to make money with an online fashion site .. Boo ?	Dec 08 18:59
_doug	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo.com	Dec 08 18:59
_doug	http://www.msdewey.com/ this is from MS research ..	Dec 08 19:00
schestowitz	Boo.com… died with the bubble?	Dec 08 19:02
schestowitz	I remember seeing it on Sky when I was 17..	Dec 08 19:02
schestowitz	It all collapsed	Dec 08 19:02
_doug	USPTO sued in patent dispute ..	Dec 08 19:04
_doug	http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i16/…	Dec 08 19:04
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/155111/… ( IEEE to Set up Patent Pools to Simplify Standards Adoption )	Dec 08 19:05
schestowitz	Hey, IEEE, what about bloody company that have no patents^H^Hnolopolies?	Dec 08 19:05
_doug	The Microsoftie who left the Dark Side for Open Source ..	Dec 08 19:05
_doug	http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3789531/…	Dec 08 19:05
_doug	“Alex Mogilevsky’s patented work on background spell-checking had been stolen by OpenOffice”	Dec 08 19:06
_doug	how by all the rules of logic, can you patent a background-process-spellchecker ?	Dec 08 19:07
_doug	If the Microsofties spent less time writing patents and more time writing code, then maybe the OS wouldn’t be such an unstable mess and a security nightmare ..	Dec 08 19:09
schestowitz	WTF?	Dec 08 19:14
schestowitz	I never read it properly	Dec 08 19:14
schestowitz	The author of this contacted me some weeks ago.	Dec 08 19:15
schestowitz	He uses works like “steal” too.	Dec 08 19:15
schestowitz	*words	Dec 08 19:15
-_doug-DCC Chat (217.204.51.230)		Dec 08 19:24
*Received a DCC CHAT offer from _doug		Dec 08 19:24
PetoKraus	how is his WORK stolen?	Dec 08 19:32
PetoKraus	isn’t it his IDEA?	Dec 08 19:33
PetoKraus	if they prove the code is actually the same, then we may start talking about “stealing” work	Dec 08 19:33
_doug	schest: contacted about what ? (PM) me ..	Dec 08 19:35
_doug	China requires certification oof security software ..	Dec 08 19:38
_doug	http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-ir…	Dec 08 19:38
_doug	What a good idea ..	Dec 08 19:38
_doug	Archive.org moving to Ogg Theora ..	Dec 08 19:40
_doug	http://internetarchive.wordpress.com/2008/11/…	Dec 08 19:40
PetoKraus	oh bloody hell	Dec 08 19:44
PetoKraus	my friend just brought harpsichord he borrowed to our flat	Dec 08 19:44
PetoKraus	it’d be fine, if only he knew to play more than one song	Dec 08 19:45
PetoKraus	seems like the only viable solution is to pay £120 and move piano my boss doesn’t want (-> i get it for free) to my room.	Dec 08 19:45
schestowitz	PetoKraus: for stealing one would have to /lose/ the code	Dec 08 19:50
schestowitz	If it’s plagiarism, then it’s copying (in the illegal sense), not stealing.	Dec 08 19:50
PetoKraus	schestowitz: i am not talking about “stealing” something, i am talking about something “work” vs something “idea”	Dec 08 19:51
*DCC CHAT to _doug aborted.		Dec 08 19:51
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/08…	Dec 08 19:51
schestowitz	True, but unless the work is something physical, it’s hard to steal.	Dec 08 19:52
schestowitz	Steal is when someone has something at one’s expense.	Dec 08 19:53
schestowitz	People use the word “steal” in this context sparingly.	Dec 08 19:53
kevin__	they’ve tried to define “stealing” as doing anything the vendor doesn’t like	Dec 08 19:53
schestowitz	Just as the word terrorism is used to describe things we just don’t like like.	Dec 08 19:53
kevin__	again, if i move a copy of windows from an old pc to a new one, i am “stealing” for example	Dec 08 19:54
schestowitz	“If thought can corrupt language, then language can also corrupt thought.” –George Orwell	Dec 08 19:54
kevin__	good quote	Dec 08 19:55
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=…	Dec 08 19:55
schestowitz	Here is what this tot and his mom were compared to by the MAFIAA: http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/pira…	Dec 08 19:56
schestowitz	More recent: “Does She Look Like a Music Pirate?” < http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08… >	Dec 08 19:56
schestowitz	“She spends most of her days sitting on an overstuffed sofa with a heating pad behind her back to ease chronic pain and migraines that have kept her on disability for nearly five years. Her voice is soft and halting. Yet this woman is behind a fierce assault on the music industry and its tactics for combating music piracy on the Internet.”	Dec 08 19:57
schestowitz	That’s a good photo. The colorisation of the sky and all… probably tweaked somehow…	Dec 08 19:58
kevin__	i have no respect for the music industry… they’re using the internet to spread inferior quality files than were available ten years ago (cds) instead of going 24/192 or something	Dec 08 19:58
kevin__	music purchased online should be HD	Dec 08 19:59
kevin__	they want to create an artificial upgrade path (128 kbps, 256, etc)	Dec 08 20:00
kevin__	know what i mean?	Dec 08 20:00
schestowitz	This can’t be good: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/s… “Sun Microsystems’ board is getting some fresh blood with two new independent directors, after its largest investor stepped up involvement in the company.”	Dec 08 20:00
schestowitz	How is that forcing an upgrade?	Dec 08 20:01
schestowitz	They have begun promoting their singers in YouTube.	Dec 08 20:01
kevin__	it’s not a forced upgrade, it’s an artificial upgrade path	Dec 08 20:01
kevin__	“you purchased the 128 kbps version, now pay an upgrade fee for 256kbps files” that sort of thing	Dec 08 20:02
schestowitz	Streaming as a delivery method. They actually have accounts with singers’ portfolio and millions of views. AP went down the same route with loads of video reports.	Dec 08 20:02
kevin__	they’ve already done this with itunes/itunes+	Dec 08 20:02
schestowitz	What is this itoon thing?	Dec 08 20:03
kevin__	99 cents gets you 128kbps files with DRM, while $1.30 gets you 256kbps with no drm	Dec 08 20:03
schestowitz	DRM=renting	Dec 08 20:03
schestowitz	So it’s cheaper to rent files.	Dec 08 20:03
*PetoKraus np: Nine Inch Nails – All the Love in the World (With Teeth)		Dec 08 20:04
kevin__	they’re selling people their rights back	Dec 08 20:04
PetoKraus	Trent Reznor Does Not Approve of DRM	Dec 08 20:04
schestowitz	kevin__: they sell nothing, I avoid them	Dec 08 20:04
kevin__	me too	Dec 08 20:04
kevin__	i still read the articles though	Dec 08 20:04
schestowitz	The analogy from Cory is a good one nonetheless.	Dec 08 20:04
schestowitz	RIAA/MPAA: serving pirates since 1998	Dec 08 20:05
schestowitz	Creative Commons: serving people since 1998 (?)	Dec 08 20:05
kevin__	on the subject of CC, you should hear Rob Costlow’s music… it’s amazing	Dec 08 20:06
kevin__	on jamendo	Dec 08 20:06
schestowitz	ACK http://www.jamendo.com/en/search?sear…	Dec 08 20:07
schestowitz	GET http://www.jamendo.com/en/download/album/888	Dec 08 20:08
trmanco	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/08/… Entire class fails IT exam by submitting in Word format	Dec 08 20:08
kevin__	here it is http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/888	Dec 08 20:09
kevin__	track 5 is my favorite	Dec 08 20:09
schestowitz	Holy hell	Dec 08 20:09
schestowitz	So much XSS	Dec 08 20:10
kevin__	xss?	Dec 08 20:10
schestowitz	Took me a minute to get past it	Dec 08 20:10
schestowitz	Cross-site JS	Dec 08 20:10
kevin__	oh	Dec 08 20:10
schestowitz	Lots os spyware needed to be enabled to get the file	Dec 08 20:10
schestowitz	Fast download. Now, the secret is in getting more big artists to sport their stuff in these sites and people to be aware of these sites	Dec 08 20:12
kevin__	yep	Dec 08 20:12
kevin__	they also have torrents too	Dec 08 20:12
schestowitz	In the mean time, MAFIAA does them a big favour by clogging up P2P, but it also kill the legitimate stuff.	Dec 08 20:12
schestowitz	*kills	Dec 08 20:14
_doug	Wired mag on Ray Ozzie .. http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/…	Dec 08 20:15
schestowitz	Oh no.. that that Wired MS fawning.	Dec 08 20:15
trmanco	GNUnited Nations 0.1 (initial release): http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gn…	Dec 08 20:16
schestowitz	0_o “User-agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (Gojō) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI)”	Dec 08 20:17
_doug	Why Does Microsoft Always Get A Free Pass? Why Does Big Business Reek So Badly?	Dec 08 20:19
_doug	http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/o…	Dec 08 20:20
schestowitz	See details about W-E	Dec 08 20:21
_doug	Virus hits nearly 75% of systems on Afghanistan military base	Dec 08 20:21
_doug	http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=…	Dec 08 20:21
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/wagg…	Dec 08 20:22
schestowitz	You can’t say “insecure Microsoft” and get away with it.	Dec 08 20:22
schestowitz	_doug: I need to find people in Wikipedia from W-E IP addresses	Dec 08 20:22
schestowitz	I only found two	Dec 08 20:22
_doug	Who should be in charge of protecting the Internet: Eric Schmidt, Steve Ballmer, Jeff Bezos and Julius Genachowski ..	Dec 08 20:23
_doug	http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/02/w…	Dec 08 20:23
_doug	One sells books, the other sells soap	Dec 08 20:25
kevin__	an operating system vendor	Dec 08 20:25
_doug	translation: who is going to protect the Internet from MS Windows ?	Dec 08 20:26
kevin__	hopefully the community as a whole will	Dec 08 20:27
schestowitz	http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Bus… “However, Radio Free Asia, funded by the U. S. government, reported Wednesday that cafes were being required to install Red Flag Linux even if they were using authorized copies of Windows. ” Bwahaha.	Dec 08 20:28
schestowitz	SpywareNux	Dec 08 20:28
kevin__	that is a flavor of linux created by the govt right?	Dec 08 20:29
schestowitz	Trollish Reg: gOS – if at first you don’t succeed… < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/… >	Dec 08 20:34
schestowitz	kevin__: it’s for surveillance, AFAIK	Dec 08 20:34
_doug	http://snipurl.com/7nzy7	Dec 08 20:35
schestowitz	There’s the same thing in US coffee shops	Dec 08 20:35
schestowitz	It’s called “Microsoft Windows” and it has back doors	Dec 08 20:35
schestowitz	But China wants something like their own Windows, with back doors only for the Chinese, not the CIA and FBI	Dec 08 20:36
schestowitz	“He who controls the back doors…”	Dec 08 20:36
schestowitz	_doug: page not found	Dec 08 20:37
kevin__	the only way to be truely secure is to encrypt the whole hdd	Dec 08 20:37
_doug	gtg ..	Dec 08 20:42
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schestowitz	kevin__: more secure is not to have a regime of neocons.	Dec 08 20:45
schestowitz	The west is still lagging behind when it comes to back-dooring the gnu	Dec 08 20:46
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kevin__	i remember hearing rumors that there were backdoors in windows.. was that ever confirmed?	Dec 08 21:07
kevin__	that was forever ago	Dec 08 21:07
schestowitz	trmanco hat tip @ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Dec 08 21:08
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 08 21:08
schestowitz	Hold on.	Dec 08 21:08
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/30… … I’ve accumulated more obvious evidence since then (like Microsoft’s Ga^H^HPartner Group confirming it)	Dec 08 21:09
twitter	office failure, very funny.	Dec 08 21:13
twitter	the softies should know that the biggest failure of all is the failure to do as you are told. M$.DOC, F.	Dec 08 21:15
schestowitz	United States of Advertising: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1551… (Court Allows Spyware Program to Go Back on Sale)	Dec 08 21:17
twitter	Safety too, “missed the school entirely” http://www.reuters.com/article/t…	Dec 08 21:17
twitter	I’m glad someone thought of the children.	Dec 08 21:17
schestowitz	Army life..	Dec 08 21:18
schestowitz	Army nation..	Dec 08 21:18
schestowitz	Maybe they were raining.	Dec 08 21:18
schestowitz	Maybe they were training.	Dec 08 21:18
schestowitz	It would be sad had the pilot let it kill a whole class after ejecting.. rather than stay in the plane to steer it away from danger zones.	Dec 08 21:20
schestowitz	Belittled Microsoft… selling tshirts like Mozilla now (and Windows XP for $18).. Microsoft Jumping On The T-Shirt Bandwagon < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008120… >	Dec 08 21:21
twitter	As usual, the almost free market does better than M$, http://shop.cafepress.com/microsoft	Dec 08 21:28
schestowitz	Perl 6 to break compatibility, support other interpreters < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/269758/perl_6_b… >. Same with Python.	Dec 08 21:31
schestowitz	Oh! And PHP5 too	Dec 08 21:31
schestowitz	All the Ps in LAMP… not backward compatible	Dec 08 21:31
twitter	What interpreter are they thinking of?	Dec 08 21:31
PetoKraus	and?	Dec 08 21:32
PetoKraus	what’s bad about breaking backward compatibility?	Dec 08 21:32
schestowitz	Hmmm… weird… Colin Barker’s article (ZDNet UK) had the headline modified.. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/business/soa/Novell-81-b…	Dec 08 21:33
schestowitz	The original was insincere as it ignored the rest of Novell’s dying business, but it also talked about business, not revenue.	Dec 08 21:34
schestowitz	ZDNET fanboyism for Microsoft Linux?	Dec 08 21:34
twitter	t-shirt comment, “What next Microsoft fragrances?” M$, smells like ass.	Dec 08 21:34
schestowitz	PetoKraus: it’s bad. PHP4 is no longer receiving patches for security purposes and a lot of software was not adapted to do PHP5	Dec 08 21:35
twitter	Forcing people to change their code is bad and should never be done without a good reason. I’d like to know what that reason is.	Dec 08 21:36
schestowitz	Another unsubstantiated article: OpenSolaris tackles Ubuntu dominance < http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Ope… >	Dec 08 21:37
schestowitz	is the “1337″ (leet) intentional there?	Dec 08 21:37
schestowitz	Someone just shoved up the “elite” marker there at the end (I wonder who..) http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/OpenS…	Dec 08 21:38
schestowitz	“Imagine if the brakes on your car failed just 1% of the time. For every 100 times you brake 1 time you’d just keep going. How many times do you brake on an average 1 hour trip? Sometimes for mission critical systems even 99.999% isn’t good enough. It’s not just mission critical systems though.”	Dec 08 21:40
schestowitz	“What about computers. If they made errors once in 10000, with several billion cycles per second, they’d be unusable. Anyway if each patient requires 178 actions then 1% means every patient has between 1 and 2 mistakes made for them per day. I presume some of these actions are trivial otherwise I’d be amazed if anyone survived”	Dec 08 21:40
schestowitz	http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/…	Dec 08 21:41
schestowitz	http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am… “Now, what else can be commented about this, except that “democracy” is a fucked-up word that no one should use with regards to real life?”	Dec 08 21:42
trmanco	Live Cashback Users Feel Cheated By Microsoft: http://searchengineland.com/live-cashbac…	Dec 08 21:48
kevin__	we all feel cheated by ms	Dec 08 21:48
schestowitz	That can’t be true. Microsoft doesn’t ever betray anyone, does it?	Dec 08 21:50
schestowitz	Microsoft has the obligation for tolerating inferior search results and being spied on by the Vole.	Dec 08 21:51
kevin__	it’s like they sell you a car but keep a copy of the keys to steal it back when you’re not looking	Dec 08 21:51
schestowitz	Microsoft is almost broke	Dec 08 21:51
schestowitz	It also lobbied heavily for public looting, AKA bailout	Dec 08 21:51
kevin__	btw schestowitz, that article you posted earlier made me laugh when someone from the RIAA said a mother sits on disability, seeing as how THEY charge full-price for recordings that were made 50 years ago	Dec 08 21:54
kevin__	they own them for eternity!	Dec 08 21:55
trmanco	http://tirania.org/blog/arc…	Dec 08 21:55
trmanco	here we go again	Dec 08 21:55
trmanco	Moonlight goes 3D	Dec 08 21:55
schestowitz	“Business is an opportunity, not a right..” — [H]omer	Dec 08 21:56
schestowitz	Tell me when Icaza goes Microsoft	Dec 08 21:56
trmanco	ok I will	Dec 08 21:57
schestowitz	He should visit them permanently. He’s just pooping over the wrong side of the fence by promoting anti-Linux tech	Dec 08 21:57
trmanco	“We are merging his patches to make it simpler for Moonlight to be compiled by Windows users. “	Dec 08 21:57
schestowitz	Microsoft: “we need to catch up with that well-engineered, secure and stable Linux thing”	Dec 08 21:58
kevin__	what can moonlight do that flash can’t?	Dec 08 21:58
schestowitz	de Icaza: “we need to catch up with Microsoft… but doing exactly what they do…. poorly”	Dec 08 21:58
schestowitz	kevin__: Flex	Dec 08 21:58
schestowitz	Even better	Dec 08 21:58
kevin__	i saw that someone got doom running in flash… pretty freaking amazing	Dec 08 21:59
schestowitz	And there’s JavaFX and SVG+Ajax	Dec 08 21:59
schestowitz	These things are mostly used for freakin’ videos… we already have Ogg and <video>\	Dec 08 21:59
schestowitz	Senor de Icaza needs to just work on Silverlight (for Microsoft), not Poisonware	Dec 08 21:59
MinceR	kevin__: it can give m$ an opportunity to sue over sw patents	Dec 08 22:00
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Dec 08 22:00
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schestowitz	They don’t need to	Dec 08 22:00
schestowitz	They just pull a SCO	Dec 08 22:00
kevin__	or they could wait until it got popular and then pull the chair out from under us, so to speak	Dec 08 22:01
kevin__		Dec 08 22:01
schestowitz	Look, that Moonlight (Linux) thing looks just like Silverlight (UNIX/)…. anyone who uses it can purchase SUSE (for peace of mind) or “indemnification” from microsoft.com/licensing/<whatever>	Dec 08 22:01
schestowitz	Right now they just let the poison sink a little deeper	Dec 08 22:02
schestowitz	KDE users who want to access Silver Lie videos will quite likely get the Mono flu	Dec 08 22:02
schestowitz	Moonlight is the perfect infection vector, making the Web inaccessible to some who reject Mono.	Dec 08 22:02
trmanco	Linux Comparison: Fedora and conclusion: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/12/06/linux…	Dec 08 22:03
trmanco	again? what are they up too?	Dec 08 22:04
kevin__	if adobe were to open flash it would probably undermine them though	Dec 08 22:04
schestowitz	Web standards are more established	Dec 08 22:05
schestowitz	It’s better to avoid all those ‘puginWebbies’	Dec 08 22:05
schestowitz	Web standards took many years to evolve nicely.	Dec 08 22:06
schestowitz	It also took a long time for many implementations (browers) to appear	Dec 08 22:06
schestowitz	The blobs don’t obery browser functions like back, forward, indexing, etc.	Dec 08 22:06
schestowitz	Those other ‘solutions’ try another route from scratch and they break the Web	Dec 08 22:07
schestowitz	Flash only gained traction because of stuff like YouTube.	Dec 08 22:07
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schestowitz	Microsoft bribes some companies to plant the XAML trap in places like the Olympic and bring the stack of junk along with it (standard pages like Library of Congress becoming MS lockin)	Dec 08 22:07
trmanco	hey cool, you referred me in this post <v http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/08… >	Dec 08 22:08
trmanco	thanks	Dec 08 22:08
schestowitz	People should sue the Lib. of Congress and Microsoft, which uses Novell to escape current investigations on this matter.	Dec 08 22:08
kevin__	at least most of the radio stations are smart enough to stream in multiple formats	Dec 08 22:08
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trmanco	grr	Dec 08 22:10
trmanco	I don’t have <video> tags yet	Dec 08 22:10
schestowitz	Me neither	Dec 08 22:11
schestowitz	But it’s there in place for future viewing.	Dec 08 22:11
schestowitz	More sites are gradually embracing ogg	Dec 08 22:11
schestowitz	I left this comment just 2 minutes ago: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/…	Dec 08 22:11
kevin__	i’ve got 2 portable ogg players	Dec 08 22:11
kevin__	they’ve been around for years. one just has to do research to find them	Dec 08 22:12
trmanco	nice one	Dec 08 22:12
trmanco		Dec 08 22:12
trmanco	I hope they reply	Dec 08 22:12
kevin__	i enjoyed going to the store and asking someone about them and they just went blank	Dec 08 22:13
schestowitz	trmanco: they usually do.	Dec 08 22:13
schestowitz	They mean well. They previously made some Webcase… only for Mac and Windows users… they mailed me the slides.	Dec 08 22:13
schestowitz	*Webcast	Dec 08 22:13
trmanco	Firefox 3.1 is out	Dec 08 22:14
trmanco	beta 2	Dec 08 22:15
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php “1. A method for styling hair to cover bald areas using only the individual’s own hair, comprising separating the hair on the head into several substantially equal sections, taking the hair on one section and placing it over the bald area, then taking the hair on another section and placing it over the first section, and finally taking the hair on the remaining sections and placing it over the o	Dec 08 22:16
schestowitz	ther sections whereby the bald area will be completely covered.”	Dec 08 22:16
twitter	Here’s a comment I just left. http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/13/war-…	Dec 08 22:16
schestowitz	That’s apprently a real patent: A patent on combing hair to cover a bald spot (#4,022,227)	Dec 08 22:16
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schestowitz	twitter: thanks, I see. I have Thunderbird set up so that my WordPress inbox comes up with popups when something arrives (comments for example).	Dec 08 22:17
twitter	I’ve got new respect for Steven Vaughan-Nichols for having pointed out that M$’s patent threats have always been baseless. That does not make M$ less dangerous of malicious, but it’s something people should be aware of.	Dec 08 22:18
schestowitz	I give the /.-bourne stalkers 5 minutes to come and attack twitter with off-topic comments.	Dec 08 22:18
schestowitz	twitter: SJVN doesn’t perceive it the same way as me.	Dec 08 22:18
schestowitz	He thought all vendors would sign a patent deal within a year	Dec 08 22:19
schestowitz	I talked to him about it. He was wrong.	Dec 08 22:19
schestowitz	Now we have even /less/ deals…. because Linspire is kaput	Dec 08 22:19
twitter	So he knew the threat was judicial extortion but thought it would be a success? That’s sad.	Dec 08 22:20
twitter	I’m glad he was wrong.	Dec 08 22:20
schestowitz	Symbian: pseudopen-source -> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3162 When Symbian stops fighting for software patents in the EU and Nokia stops boosting the MAFIAA’s DRM, maybe then Symbian will be worth looking into.	Dec 08 22:21
twitter	I’m going to make a brief timeline of M$’s patent extortion sometime tonight.	Dec 08 22:22
schestowitz	Cool!	Dec 08 22:22
GoblinRFD	Talking of DRM…..just to lighten the mood…(btw Non UK people might not get this)	Dec 08 22:23
GoblinRFD	What do you call a Police officer that can whistle 10,000 tunes?	Dec 08 22:23
GoblinRFD	An Iplod.	Dec 08 22:23
neighborlee	lol	Dec 08 22:24
GoblinRFD	I liked it…:)	Dec 08 22:24
schestowitz	Nancy Gohring is attacking Google again, IMHO: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2008/120808-unlocked…	Dec 08 22:24
schestowitz	She previously uses Microsoft puppet to ghostwrite anti-Google things.	Dec 08 22:24
schestowitz	I wrote about it here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/02…	Dec 08 22:25
schestowitz	The coverage from the MSBBC about Net censorship was rather appalling, IMHO	Dec 08 22:26
schestowitz	They didn’t defend Wikipedia	Dec 08 22:26
schestowitz	They could have at least quotes people who fought bacl.	Dec 08 22:26
schestowitz	“Nobody is suggesting that child pornography is defensible, but this episode has exposed how trivially easy it is to block not just an image, but an entire site – even one as popular and important as Wikipedia – thanks to a centralised routeing system.” http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/bl…	Dec 08 22:27
schestowitz	GoblinRFD: NimbleX Linux – 94% satisfaction < http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/nimblex.html >. Just stumbled upon it..	Dec 08 22:35
GoblinRFD		Dec 08 22:51
GoblinRFD	I really was impressed at NimbleX	Dec 08 22:52
GoblinRFD	so much so I did a little feature on it.	Dec 08 22:52
GoblinRFD	Mind you, after looking through the LFS site, I want to do my own distro! One dedicated to emulation….	Dec 08 22:53
GoblinRFD	MAME, UAE etc	Dec 08 22:54
schestowitz	You could do a spin	Dec 08 22:56
schestowitz	Fedora, PCLOS, even Ubuntu or Slax. Just follow the guides (or use the GUI)…	Dec 08 22:56
GoblinRFD	mm. If I ever get the time that is.	Dec 08 22:57
GoblinRFD	Ive been looking at so many different projects at the moment.	Dec 08 22:57
GoblinRFD	and Im still working on a 4k intro..it was supposed to be for a demo comp earlier this year….never met the deadline and lost interest in it mostly.	Dec 08 22:58
schestowitz	I’ve just got this very funny E-mail from my cousin.	Dec 08 22:59
schestowitz	*LOL	Dec 08 22:59
schestowitz	It goes like this: “Late next year, Microsoft will offer a free anti-virus, anti-spyware program to everyone who runs Windows (code-named Morro). And I am COMPLETELY psyched.”	Dec 08 23:00
schestowitz	I’ve tried everything over the years: bloated, intrusive, expensive programs like Norton and McAfee; naggy free programs. And deep in the back of my mind, a little voice keeps saying: “This shouldn’t be my problem.” I’m sure it’s been a hot discussion topic inside Microsoft for years. On one hand, ideally, Windows wouldn’t be so easily invaded by viruses; it’s Microsoft’s job to keep our machines protected.	Dec 08 23:00
schestowitz	“(According to Microsoft, a staggering 60 percent of Windows users have no virus protection at all.)”	Dec 08 23:00
schestowitz	“On the other hand, what about all the companies who sell anti-virus software? What will happen to them when Microsoft starts giving away the stuff for free?”	Dec 08 23:00
kevin__	i’m one of them	Dec 08 23:00
schestowitz	Gosh. Microsoft really relies on people being gullible.	Dec 08 23:00
schestowitz	Haha.	Dec 08 23:01
kevin__	well i take that back… i have clam av installed	Dec 08 23:01
GoblinRFD	Good ol’Microsoft	Dec 08 23:01
schestowitz	And he goes on (he’s much older than me).	Dec 08 23:01
schestowitz	“It’s a tough decision. And maybe the Microsoft OneCare experiment (its $50-a-year anti-virus suite, which will be discontinued at the end of June 2009) taught Microsoft that other anti-virus companies may still be able to survive even with the 800-pound gorilla in the ring. In any case, in the big picture, the world as a whole will be better off when more PC’s are protected.”	Dec 08 23:01
schestowitz	Some people are as gullible as Microsoft needs them to be	Dec 08 23:01
schestowitz	It’s a tough decision. And maybe the Microsoft OneCare experiment (its $50-a-year anti-virus suite, which will be discontinued at the end of June 2009) taught Microsoft that other anti-virus companies may still be able to survive even with the 800-pound gorilla in the ring. In any case, in the big picture, the world as a whole will be better off when more PC’s are protected.	Dec 08 23:01
GoblinRFD	Until recently my wife thought Microsoft produced Linux…	Dec 08 23:02
schestowitz	And he ends: “And a free, official, continuously updated security suite, provided directly from the mother ship, is exactly what the doctor ordered.”	Dec 08 23:02
schestowitz	Yes! Microsoft saves us!	Dec 08 23:02
GoblinRFD	God bless Microsoft	Dec 08 23:02
schestowitz	I told him that it’s more Microsoft BS. Anti-virus S/W does not protect PCs. it’s snake oil, a scam. 98% of all Windows PCs are vulnerable, even with anti-virus software. About 40% are hijacked. If you want security, you need to abandon Windows. It’s a wreck. Even Microsoft admitted this.	Dec 08 23:02
GoblinRFD	Not according to Andre Da Costa	Dec 08 23:03
schestowitz	“Our products just aren’t engineered for security.” — Brian Valentine, Microsoft executive	Dec 08 23:03
schestowitz	Give him that quote	Dec 08 23:03
GoblinRFD	“Vista introduced huge improvements to how users kept their personal data secure.” Andre Da Costa 25/11/08 Andre’s Blog	Dec 08 23:03
schestowitz	Joe Wilcox admitted this too	Dec 08 23:03
GoblinRFD	Da Co$ta is the man.	Dec 08 23:04
schestowitz	Joe Wilcox, last week ( http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/secur… ): “`There haven’t been any major new malware attacks to suggest increasing Mac marketshare has generated more malware. Just two weeks ago, I blogged that in fact Apple’s increasing marketshare hadn’t led to more attacks Microsoft’s marketshare mythology is wrong.”	Dec 08 23:04
schestowitz	So next time the Microsoft fan (Wilcox) pretends that it’s a universal issue, show him the mirror	Dec 08 23:05
schestowitz	UAC is not security	Dec 08 23:05
schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080… (Vista’s UAC security prompt was designed to annoy you)	Dec 08 23:06
GoblinRFD	MS-Watch has been pretty dull recently. I havent had much fun.	Dec 08 23:06
GoblinRFD	talking of which, an MS-troll to site said:	Dec 08 23:06
GoblinRFD	to put it in context, I was laughing at the security measures of Vista. He replied:	Dec 08 23:07
GoblinRFD	ust a little amazing thingy you said: “The only security Vista seems to be good at is preventing the user of it from doing anything without password… That didn’t help security, just made thinks difficult.”	Dec 08 23:07
GoblinRFD	Anybody heard of sudo?	Dec 08 23:07
schestowitz	RMS: “Americans should stop giving Reagan credit for making the Soviet Union collapse, and recall Reagan as the president who betrayed America’s honor by selling weapons to terrorists to ransom hostages.” < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec… >	Dec 08 23:08
GoblinRFD	It was funny, I did an article called “Happy Vista users speak out on wordpress” and then went on to link a few unhappy vista customers…..the amount of abuse I got was amazing…Im still sifting through my inbox.	Dec 08 23:09
GoblinRFD	it must have pressed the right buttons. I think Ill do another.	Dec 08 23:09
schestowitz	Vista and WP?	Dec 08 23:10
schestowitz	How are they related?	Dec 08 23:10
*schestowitz wonders if RMS has a apolitical blog		Dec 08 23:11
schestowitz	“This could mean that Bush and his cronies have not won all they hoped for. They sought total control of Iraqi oil for themselves alone.” < http://www.stallman.org/archive… >	Dec 08 23:11
GoblinRFD	I was just looking for a few cheap hits, and thought the title would attract Vista fanboys.	Dec 08 23:11
GoblinRFD	http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/art…	Dec 08 23:11
GoblinRFD	and it certainly did that.	Dec 08 23:11
MinceR	gn	Dec 08 23:12
GoblinRFD	gn	Dec 08 23:12
GoblinRFD	take care.	Dec 08 23:12
schestowitz	gn	Dec 08 23:12
schestowitz	The IEEE keeps sending mass mails to all sorts of people in unrelated fields. That almost counts as abuse..	Dec 08 23:12
schestowitz	Vista /OWNERS//	Dec 08 23:13
schestowitz	?	Dec 08 23:13
schestowitz	No such thing. Only Microsoft owns Vista. Don’t people read the EULA?	Dec 08 23:13
kevin__	i liked the mojave experiment	Dec 08 23:13
schestowitz	They rent a licence to run a /copy/? It can even be revoked.	Dec 08 23:13
kevin__	getting users by concieling the truth	Dec 08 23:13
MinceR	story of their life, kevin__ :>	Dec 08 23:14
schestowitz	Or showing just some frames selectively.	Dec 08 23:14
kevin__	yes… earlier today somebody tried to tell me that if you buy a retail copy of xp you can use it forever	Dec 08 23:14
schestowitz	They did it later with Vista 7 and corruptible bloggers.	Dec 08 23:14
schestowitz	kevin__: tell his about China.	Dec 08 23:14
kevin__	forever being until the activation servers go down or ms shuts down	Dec 08 23:14
schestowitz	http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/c… ( Microsoft sued in China for black screen of death )	Dec 08 23:15
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… ( Microsoft faces second ‘black screen’ lawsuit )	Dec 08 23:15
kevin__	oh yeah i heard about that… they were changing peoples’ wallpapers	Dec 08 23:15
schestowitz	The poor people thought they owned their own computers when The Beast O/S was installed on the,	Dec 08 23:15
kevin__	i see that all the time on the net	Dec 08 23:16
kevin__	people saying “but i own this computer” when DRM discussions are taking place	Dec 08 23:16
schestowitz	Wallpapers… oh yeah… to say the least… Gary McKinnon did that to the US Army.	Dec 08 23:16
kevin__	makes me chuckle	Dec 08 23:16
schestowitz	Or Pentagon, whetever…	Dec 08 23:16
schestowitz	*whatever… but Gary is no Monopolist, so it’s not OK	Dec 08 23:16
kevin__	hey schestowitz i saw a youtube video where someone sent a brand new vista disk through a shreader	Dec 08 23:21
kevin__	packaging and all… it was quite funny	Dec 08 23:21
schestowitz	That was hugely popular in 2007	Dec 08 23:23
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=…	Dec 08 23:23
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kevin__	i had to watch it again	Dec 08 23:27
schestowitz	There are better ones.	Dec 08 23:28
schestowitz	http://blip.tv/file/340692	Dec 08 23:30
GoblinRFD	Going off topic slightly, I was really proud, Ive been named:	Dec 08 23:31
GoblinRFD	“Another thing is that I think Goblin is an idiot. At least, he is a shiller for Linux. I don’t care that he is doing it for free. That is his problem.” 3/12/08 Microsoft Watch	Dec 08 23:31
GoblinRFD	and one of my favourite quotes for this week is:	Dec 08 23:33
GoblinRFD	“it’s clear that people still don’t get what Vista was all about.” EnricoG 03/12/08 Microsoft Watch	Dec 08 23:33
schestowitz	Larry Augustin sells out: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/O…	Dec 08 23:34
schestowitz	2007: It’s Time for Microsoft to Put Up or Shut Up < http://lmaugustin.typepad.com/lma… >	Dec 08 23:34
schestowitz	2008: Larry Augustin helps a Vole project with .NET	Dec 08 23:34
schestowitz	Shame on him.	Dec 08 23:34
kevin__	windows cement	Dec 08 23:35
schestowitz	GoblinRFD: the trolls are a dme/dozen, just like Windows zombies and flaws	Dec 08 23:36
kevin__	i’m getting serious lag today…	Dec 08 23:38
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GoblinRFD	I am really looking forward to the release of Windows 7…its just like the first episodes of X-Factor.,you know it will be godawful but its compelling viewing.	Dec 08 23:40
schestowitz	They’ll speand s*loads when it’s out in 2010 or whenever… to make this Mojave seem like something different from Vista.	Dec 08 23:41
schestowitz	Then the reviews of Vista 7 will come from blogs and Microsoft won’t be able to silence them	Dec 08 23:42
schestowitz	By that stage, Microsoft will have been weak and in debt anyway. it’s already getting quite frail.	Dec 08 23:42
GoblinRFD	But dont forget: “It will be better next time”	Dec 08 23:42
GoblinRFD	“Vista greatness = improved security, eye candy, easy of use.” – Clintthewooke on Openbytes 07/12/08	Dec 08 23:44
kevin__	i personally want all the drm ripped out of the system	Dec 08 23:47
kevin__	as a consumer i shouldn’t have to pay to support such things if i don’t want to	Dec 08 23:47
schestowitz	You don’t choose	Dec 08 23:47
schestowitz	That;’s why FOSS was conceived	Dec 08 23:47
schestowitz	The systems are built to accommodate other factors	Dec 08 23:48
schestowitz	MAFIAA… CIA… they all have demands from and relationships with Microsoft and Apple.	Dec 08 23:48
schestowitz	The operating system is not for /YOU/…. it’s for you /TO USE/… along with the restrictions and so-called antifeaturs.	Dec 08 23:48
kevin__	they will only be able to push that so far though before average people decide they’ve had enough	Dec 08 23:49
schestowitz	Unless it’s too late	Dec 08 23:50
kevin__	even now the ice is starting to crack	Dec 08 23:50
schestowitz	They use legiislation (lobbyists and all)	Dec 08 23:50
schestowitz	That’s why you’re seeing me distracted by politics	Dec 08 23:50
schestowitz	RMS apparently relaised this a long time ago	Dec 08 23:50
schestowitz	“Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won’t leave you alone.” –Richard Stallman	Dec 08 23:50
schestowitz	Tell that to DVD Jon dn Phil Zimmerman who got visit from ‘the court’ of the FBI for writing some code that achieve something they need	Dec 08 23:51
schestowitz	Softare patents, DMCA… all are examples of ANTI-FOSS laws.	Dec 08 23:51
kevin__	the DMCA isn’t just about locking out free software though. it also exists to exploit people	Dec 08 23:52
kevin__	all those innocent users who purchase music from Microsoft’s music store and then get a mac for example	Dec 08 23:53
kevin__	or linux as the case may be	Dec 08 23:53
schestowitz	Of course.	Dec 08 23:54
schestowitz	FOSS extends to other areas.	Dec 08 23:54
schestowitz	Creative Commons, open access, open research, drug industry db sharing and collab, no patents, change of copyrights in practice/use….	Dec 08 23:55
kevin__	now even the hardware makers are getting involved with things like hdcp	Dec 08 23:58