12.22.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 21st, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:05 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	“Results 1 – 50 of about 2,500 for ballnux.” < http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mo… >	Dec 21 00:04
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schestowitz	de Icaza: use Mono < http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Dec-19.html > (because it’s only for Novell… and a patent ambush tot he rest)	Dec 21 00:46
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MinceR	gn	Dec 21 03:19
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Omar871	hi all	Dec 21 06:17
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kentma	Hi	Dec 21 10:26
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 21 10:26
zoobab	hi	Dec 21 10:26
zoobab	have you managed to view the .rm videos?	Dec 21 10:27
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schestowitz	Videos? I got just audio.	Dec 21 10:30
zoobab	http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=1375	Dec 21 10:30
zoobab	can you make a copy of the audio then?	Dec 21 10:31
schestowitz	It was painful to hear the fools, but it was mainly pharmas.	Dec 21 10:31
schestowitz	mplayer -v rtsp://209.3.198.150:554/vi deo/gipc/081008_2.rm?cloakport=80,554,7070 -dumpfile ./file.dump ?	Dec 21 10:31
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schestowitz	MS wants WAMP: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1012607…	Dec 21 12:36
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 21 13:44
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_doug	Dick Hardt moves to Microsoft ..	Dec 21 14:36
_doug	http://www.itwire.com/content/v…	Dec 21 14:36
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schestowitz	Yes, he sold out.	Dec 21 14:38
_doug	Yet more of co-opting Open Source people .. to the BORG …	Dec 21 14:38
schestowitz	“We needed the $$$”	Dec 21 14:39
_doug	Why the latest IE flaw proves Linux got it right from the start	Dec 21 14:39
_doug	http://www.itwire.com/content/vie…	Dec 21 14:39
_doug	Anyone want to make a working example ?	Dec 21 14:40
_doug	http://www.itwire.com/content/vie…	Dec 21 14:40
_doug	schest .. this channel is dire .. no-one is saying anything .. you should kick anyone who lurks ..	Dec 21 14:43
kentma1	Sort oof go to battle with the bots?	Dec 21 14:43
schestowitz	_doug: drinking so early in the week?	Dec 21 14:48
_doug	‘buying a stock option and retaining the option to take product at full price during a specified period of time if the price of the stock does not go up’ patented .. :]	Dec 21 14:51
_doug	http://www.emediawire.com/releases/20…	Dec 21 14:51
_doug	drinking: who me, never ..	Dec 21 14:51
_doug	“This patent has been sold to Intellectual Ventures, a company of Nathan Myhrvold’”	Dec 21 14:51
_doug	Long ago, on a south Pacific Island, the natives used rocks as a currency. They were considered valuable as they had to row ten miles to the next island to collect …	Dec 21 14:53
_doug	IV, the equivilent of trading in rocks …	Dec 21 14:53
_doug	While the US is distracting itself with this nonsence, it’s economy is going down the tubes ..	Dec 21 14:54
_doug	How about making stuff and selling it, instead of living parasiticlly off the real economy ?	Dec 21 14:54
schestowitz	A company?	Dec 21 14:55
schestowitz	IV is a company?	Dec 21 14:55
schestowitz	More like a firm, no?	Dec 21 14:55
schestowitz	Or a company… like the Rat Pack is ‘good company’…	Dec 21 14:55
schestowitz	Patented Business System Offers Novel Alternative to Bailouts or Bankruptcy For the Automotive Industry < http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2… >	Dec 21 14:55
schestowitz	Doesn’t In Re Bilski assassinate this?	Dec 21 14:56
schestowitz	Maybe they applies before the ruling?	Dec 21 14:56
schestowitz	LOL @ “IV, the equivilent of trading in rocks …”	Dec 21 14:56
_doug	Do Bilski retrospectivly apply, I don’t think so, else the need for a patent war-chest ..	Dec 21 14:57
schestowitz	True, true. Someone told me that about a year ago before the Great Depression2 began. People like NathanM ruin the economy and they can’t give a flip.	Dec 21 14:57
schestowitz	_doug: it wouldn’t hold in court.	Dec 21 14:57
schestowitz	Bilski can stop applications but lawsuits too	Dec 21 14:57
schestowitz	IOW, this patent is like a brand-new Apple Lisa in 2008	Dec 21 14:58
_doug	Planting rubber trees patented .. http://www.harvardir.org/articles/1795/	Dec 21 14:58
schestowitz	Stop it, _doug, you’re cracking me up!!	Dec 21 14:58
schestowitz	“IV, the equivilent of trading in rocks …”	Dec 21 14:58
schestowitz	Oops… “Kerala who patented his own method of planting rubber trees to produce higher yields”	Dec 21 14:59
schestowitz	So much propaganda language, e.g.: “On the other hand, activists hope that increased recognition of intellectual property rights will help to eliminate biopiracy and patent pirating in general.”	Dec 21 15:00
schestowitz	“Piracy” and “intellectual property” in the same sense. Where is WoMD?	Dec 21 15:00
_doug	NSA patents network snooping ..	Dec 21 15:01
_doug	http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/15…	Dec 21 15:01
schestowitz	I saw that.	Dec 21 15:04
schestowitz	I’m including this in a post that I proofread now.	Dec 21 15:04
_doug	NComputing patents virtual desktops ..	Dec 21 15:05
_doug	http://www.msnbc.msn.com…	Dec 21 15:05
kentma1	Virtual desktops have been around for years, if not decades	Dec 21 15:06
schestowitz	But they got some MS/Intel people, so they think about patents now.	Dec 21 15:06
schestowitz	“Unlike other desktop virtualization solutions, the patented and highly-efficient X550 delivers rich multimedia and full-screen video.”	Dec 21 15:07
schestowitz	“The company’s award-winning patented technology drastically lowers desktop computing costs, improves manageability, and reduces both energy consumption and e-waste.”	Dec 21 15:07
schestowitz	What is the patent??	Dec 21 15:08
_doug	Clevest Solutions Inc, patent configurable forms, validations, and workflows ..	Dec 21 15:08
_doug	http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?A…	Dec 21 15:08
schestowitz	“A method for building efficient PCs..?”	Dec 21 15:08
kentma1	Doh…	Dec 21 15:08
_doug	MyECheck patents clearing cheques ..	Dec 21 15:09
_doug	http://opensourcepbx.tmcnet.com/topics/de…	Dec 21 15:09
_doug	Prof patents door-bell triggered image capture sent to a PDA and onto a mobile phone ..	Dec 21 15:12
_doug	http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/artic…	Dec 21 15:12
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_doug	Actix patents pathloss tuning ..	Dec 21 15:14
_doug	http://www.mysolutioninfo.com/news-displa…	Dec 21 15:14
_doug	The Post-Bilski Era Gets Underway	Dec 21 15:18
_doug	http://yro.slashdot.org/article…	Dec 21 15:18
_doug	The Wal-Mart of Software ..	Dec 21 15:20
_doug	http://www.cio.com/article/472116/Micro…	Dec 21 15:20
_doug	“We’re a good choice right now in this economic downturn,”	Dec 21 15:21
_doug	More like the AmWay of software :]	Dec 21 15:21
_doug	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amway	Dec 21 15:21
_doug	If you join up, you get a whiteboard and a manual, and an unlimited suply of cleaning fluid ..	Dec 21 15:22
schestowitz	Boycott Novell in CIO Mag	Dec 21 15:22
schestowitz	[bottom of page]	Dec 21 15:23
_doug	where ?	Dec 21 15:23
schestowitz	http://www.cio.com/article/472116/Microso…	Dec 21 15:25
_doug	Open source success due to Microsoft ..	Dec 21 15:26
_doug	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2…	Dec 21 15:26
schestowitz	Troll headline	Dec 21 15:30
schestowitz	They published it elsewhere with a different headline. The study is not about Microsoft. I wonder if the guy writing this is a Microsoft mole.	Dec 21 15:31
schestowitz	Or maybe the editors who chose the headlines.	Dec 21 15:31
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_doug	What a co-incidence http://www.itbusinessedge.com/b…	Dec 21 15:31
_doug	Another ‘Microsoft helps Open Source’ report ..	Dec 21 15:32
_doug	peacefull co-existance with dotNEt and Open source ..	Dec 21 15:33
_doug	http://www.itbusinessedge.com/bl…	Dec 21 15:33
schestowitz	The FastCGI Handler was unable to process the request.	Dec 21 15:33
schestowitz	If it’s Laura, then no surprise. She’s there with Enderle and chums pushing this agenda.	Dec 21 15:33
schestowitz	Yes, I saw that latter one too.	Dec 21 15:34
_doug	“Microsoft’s Robert Duffner says the conference is not a Microsoft-driven initiative, but the company is aware of the conference.”	Dec 21 15:34
schestowitz	Microsoft is on a EEE campaign with open source.	Dec 21 15:34
schestowitz	It’s using journalists to stick it in people’s faces.	Dec 21 15:34
schestowitz	Robert Duffner : ‘people luv the Vole’	Dec 21 15:35
kentma	Talking about eee, I’m looking at eee and acer aspire in Guelph	Dec 21 15:35
schestowitz	Microsoft EEEed the EEE too	Dec 21 15:35
schestowitz	Now they push for up-speccing	Dec 21 15:35
schestowitz	ASUS said they were closely tied up with Microsoft	Dec 21 15:36
kentma	There’re EEEs at a local store, but 678 for win XP version, and 778 for linux version	Dec 21 15:36
schestowitz	First they put Windows (like with the OLPC), then extend to pull out the ‘Linux;	Dec 21 15:36
kentma	That’s Cnd$	Dec 21 15:36
schestowitz	Why the price difference?	Dec 21 15:36
kentma	But there’s an aspire for 378 which looks good	Dec 21 15:36
schestowitz	That’s the leading one.	Dec 21 15:37
kentma	I don’t know, the Windows version has a bigger SSD as well	Dec 21 15:37
kentma	80g versus 40g	Dec 21 15:37
kentma	Still, I’m in on my N800 this morning.. With pidgin.	Dec 21 15:38
kentma	I’m amazed at home much the maemo repository has grown.	Dec 21 15:39
kentma	There’re so many apps for the N800 and n810, it’s extraordinary	Dec 21 15:39
schestowitz	Wait, but why is the Linux version more expensive?	Dec 21 15:40
schestowitz	It’s worth investigating because Microsoft i playing distry	Dec 21 15:40
schestowitz	This is not exactly new.	Dec 21 15:40
kentma	I don’t know, and worse, it even has the smaller drive, too.	Dec 21 15:40
_doug	http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/in…	Dec 21 15:40
schestowitz	So ASUS may then say that people don’t Linux.	Dec 21 15:40
schestowitz	[maybe cause it's made more expensive and hobbled]	Dec 21 15:41
kentma	You have to pay a premium for the linux version, now. It stinks of corruption.	Dec 21 15:41
schestowitz	Microsoft pressured ASUS a while ago and if they totally sold out, then it needs to be said.	Dec 21 15:41
schestowitz	The corruption occurred a while ago.. a form of kickbacks, IMHO.	Dec 21 15:42
kentma	Certain, the prices are rising fast for the asus machines, and getting the linux ones is becoming yet more difficult. It might be at the distributor leve, though.	Dec 21 15:42
schestowitz	They raise if for Intel and Microsoft	Dec 21 15:43
schestowitz	With Linux they targeted low end.	Dec 21 15:43
schestowitz	As they go upwards with the specs, they punish Linux and pay more to Microsoft’s partner, Intel.	Dec 21 15:43
_doug	BitTorrent used to ‘hack’ military satellite – only in the movies ..	Dec 21 15:44
_doug	http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-crash-li…	Dec 21 15:44
kentma	It’s daft, because the performance of windows on high end machines is not better than linux on low end machines.	Dec 21 15:44
_doug	‘hacking’ in the movies, is painfull to watch …	Dec 21 15:44
kentma	hacking?	Dec 21 15:46
_doug	http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/hacking-lik…	Dec 21 15:47
_doug	most cring.worthy dude ..	Dec 21 15:48
schestowitz	cracking?	Dec 21 15:48
schestowitz	The media daemonises changing of source code.	Dec 21 15:48
schestowitz	Hacking is a bad thing too now.	Dec 21 15:48
kentma	Ah, I see what you mean, yes, it’s awful.	Dec 21 15:48
schestowitz	“Why don’y you just use binaries?”	Dec 21 15:48
_doug	appariently he manages by rotating cubes on screen, without having to type in block letters :]	Dec 21 15:49
_doug	what a load of crock$	Dec 21 15:49
kentma	Hehe	Dec 21 15:49
_doug	I’ve got a zero-day sploit	Dec 21 15:50
kentma	If you ever watched the pretty awful film speed, you’d see that creating a super car mostly involves splashing some grease on your face and taking off your shirt.	Dec 21 15:50
kentma	Sorry, I mean fast and furious	Dec 21 15:50
_doug	see video #2, rotating 3-d flow chaRTS, STILL NO NEED TO TYPE IN TEXT ..	Dec 21 15:50
kentma	Ah, he’s using 7gl languages	Dec 21 15:51
kentma	Hehe	Dec 21 15:51
_doug	From the ‘HACKING FOR DUMMIES’ school of programming ..	Dec 21 15:52
kentma	Is he fat, eating crap fast foo dand drinking high sugar soda pops?	Dec 21 15:54
_doug	http://www.pcworld.com/article/45804/h…	Dec 21 15:54
_doug	a real hack would make for a boring movie ..	Dec 21 15:55
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schestowitz	kentma: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/21/a…	Dec 21 16:03
kentma	Hmm, perhahps I’ll just stick with the aceer machine, then.	Dec 21 16:06
kentma	Acer.	Dec 21 16:06
kentma	The pc world article was quite interesting. I rather liked tron, and wargames was always something of a favourite… “This corn is raw” etc…	Dec 21 16:07
schestowitz	I should really try to avoid the IDG networks.	Dec 21 16:07
schestowitz	Like PC World..	Dec 21 16:07
schestowitz	There’s too much agenda there, usually done through selection of editors.	Dec 21 16:08
kentma	Oh, yeah, well, they’re advertising funded, aren’t they?	Dec 21 16:08
schestowitz	Yes, and they are paid to do whitepapers. Microsoft is a big customer.	Dec 21 16:09
kentma	I’m sure that MS is, yes. Stil l lots of money to spend…	Dec 21 16:10
schestowitz	AV vendors sez malware will increase http://www.prweb.com/releases/20…	Dec 21 16:10
schestowitz	It’s not “to spend”	Dec 21 16:11
schestowitz	To Microsoft, it’s “to invest”	Dec 21 16:11
schestowitz	To corrupt the media is not “to spend”. it’s to promote interests	Dec 21 16:11
_doug	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o4g930pm8Ms	Dec 21 16:12
schestowitz	Latest spin watch: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8081 http://www.prwatch.org/node/8083	Dec 21 16:12
schestowitz	“Listen to this week’s edition of the “Weekly Radio Spin,” the Center for Media and Democracy’s audio report on the stories behind the news. This week, we look at the Pentagon’s PR slush fund, the U.S. auto industry’s positioning and Europe’s worst lobbyists. In “Six Degrees of Spin and Fakin’,” what the coal industry, Iraqi Health Ministry and Barry McCaffrey have in common.”	Dec 21 16:13
schestowitz	This one might make FP: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Puppy_Linux_f…	Dec 21 16:14
schestowitz	http://use.perl.org/articles/08/12/1… “We have only limited volunteer labour, and the maintenance burden is getting increasingly complex. Hence this will be the last significant release of the 5.8.x series.”	Dec 21 16:17
schestowitz	_doug: your buddy Robert got caught with his hands in the cookie jar: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12…	Dec 21 16:18
schestowitz	This one almost made it….. http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Linux_Found…	Dec 21 16:20
_doug	Top 10 Most Overhyped Tech Products ..	Dec 21 16:21
_doug	http://ca.tech.yahoo.com/reviews/digital_…	Dec 21 16:21
_doug	Robert ?	Dec 21 16:21
_doug	media whore$	Dec 21 16:22
schestowitz	Rob-her	Dec 21 16:22
schestowitz	Decent list there in Yahoo.	Dec 21 16:23
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schestowitz	“”He is one of the most highly regarded members of the Linux and open source community and is known as the first North American kernel developer.” Is Freedom a dirty word? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id…	Dec 21 16:34
_doug	gtg ..	Dec 21 16:52
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kentma	C u l8r	Dec 21 16:53
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schestowitz	Bush shoe protester has been beaten, Iraqi judge says < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008… >	Dec 21 16:58
schestowitz	“Yesterday, an Egyptian man offered his 20-year-old daughter to Zaidi as a bride. Cobblers from Turkey to Lebanon have claimed the shoes were made in their factories.”	Dec 21 16:59
schestowitz	“Hundreds of protesters in Iraq have rallied to the journalist’s cause and demanded his release.”	Dec 21 16:59
schestowitz	“The journalist’s lawyer said more than 1,000 lawyers had offered to defend him. University students gathered in Falluja on Wednesday to show their support for him, raising their shoes and throwing rocks at US soldiers, who reportedly opened fire above the crowd. Protesters said one student was injured.”	Dec 21 17:00
zoobab	http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-114765/microsoft…	Dec 21 17:01
schestowitz	“Obama continues to support making ethanol for cars from corn, a practice which feeds cars at the expense of feeding people.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-se…	Dec 21 17:01
schestowitz	“150,000 Haitians protested to demand the return of their elected President Aristide, who was kidnaped by US agents and taken to exile.” < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html… >	Dec 21 17:02
schestowitz	New ugly details about potential licensing of OOXML patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/21/cat-i…	Dec 21 17:19
schestowitz	bbl	Dec 21 17:19
trmanco	Linux netbook market share dwindling down: http://gerry.ws/2008/12/426/linux-netbook…	Dec 21 17:30
zoobab	24C3: EU-EPLA and Community Patent: Software Patents reloaded	Dec 21 17:38
zoobab	http://www.youtube.com/w…	Dec 21 17:39
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_doug	schest ??	Dec 21 18:53
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neighborlee	interesting they keep bringing up RAND(Z), when googling finds nothing on it, not only that but the wwwc considering it at one time, but after considerable reistance from many sources, abandoned this strategy in order to aim for royalty free licensing instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki… ” Providing really free software for a standard that incorporates RAND components therefore is a pro	Dec 21 19:06
neighborlee	blem for the free and open source community. “	Dec 21 19:06
neighborlee	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… < brought up here again, last post.	Dec 21 19:08
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_doug	schest ?? anyone ??? any of you lurkers ??	Dec 21 19:49
schestowitz	brb	Dec 21 19:50
schestowitz	just got bck	Dec 21 19:50
_doug	have to go .. see you tomorrow …	Dec 21 19:55
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schestowitz	zoobab: good video, check out: http://www.fool.com/investing/val…	Dec 21 20:35
schestowitz	MS press: “It seems to me that Mr. Softy is up to his old tricks again. The target this time is the OpenDocument standard, a free and open alternative to Microsoft’s own Office formats for text documents, spreadsheets, presentations, and more. The standard’s biggest proponent so far is Sun Microsystems (Nasdaq: JAVA) and its StarOffice/OpenOffice software packages”	Dec 21 20:35
schestowitz	“… I still think that both Sun and Novell have become pawns of the Monopoly, to replace SCO. Some of the articles Grouch has listed tend to support that view.[...] Novell may not Linux much either, althoughthey own SuSE. They did mach damage to SuSE by the patent deal with M$. I have wondered if they acquired SuSE to be able to kill it off at a suitable moment. Such things are not unknown in the corporate world.”	Dec 21 21:14
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php…	Dec 21 21:15
schestowitz	Cutting Research Threatens Progress, Lawmaker Says < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155841/resea… >	Dec 21 21:18
schestowitz	Report: Former Vodafone chief to pull out of Yahoo CEO search < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-… >	Dec 21 21:23
schestowitz	YouTube overtakes Yahoo, Microsoft in U.S. search < http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=11312 >	Dec 21 21:25
schestowitz	Microsoft seems to be ‘planting’ advertsarticles… http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?A…	Dec 21 21:27
schestowitz	Tim Anderson also writes for the Grauniad: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/200… … pro-Microsoft, as usual..	Dec 21 21:39
neighborlee	nasty	Dec 21 21:47
neighborlee	both are losing massive ground to wii anyway LOL	Dec 21 21:48
neighborlee	no contest	Dec 21 21:48
schestowitz	Yes, but Microsoft doesn’t mention the “W” word	Dec 21 21:48
neighborlee	my friend just got her own wii/wiifit and is loving it..as well as her new wii game starwars: force unleashed	Dec 21 21:48
neighborlee	heh I dont doubt it	Dec 21 21:49
schestowitz	MS: “We do well” you: “compared to who?” MS: “Gotta go!”	Dec 21 21:49
neighborlee	rofl	Dec 21 21:49
schestowitz	They lose BILLIONS!!	Dec 21 21:49
schestowitz	7 billions at last count	Dec 21 21:50
neighborlee	gez	Dec 21 21:50
schestowitz	Zune too, but not as much	Dec 21 21:51
schestowitz	Windows Mobile must have lost billions too and new rumours suggest that Microsoft will try to ‘Zunify’ this dying O/S.	Dec 21 21:51
schestowitz	http://www.htlounge.net/article/…	Dec 21 21:52
neighborlee	go bama!	Dec 21 21:52
schestowitz	Oh mama!	Dec 21 21:53
neighborlee	lol	Dec 21 21:53
schestowitz	MOG promotes MS EEE (against ODF): “Ah, the Christmas spirit of “peace on earth, goodwill to men” must be wafting over Redmond, Washington.”	Dec 21 22:14
schestowitz	Microsoft fights with crisis < http://www.pb.pl/Default2.aspx?ArticleID=181… >	Dec 21 22:20
schestowitz	What to make of this site? I was never sure.. In Ten Years: Microsoft < http://www.minyanville.com/arti… >	Dec 21 22:22
schestowitz	PJ’s has been gone for almost 2 weeks. She disconnected herself (members only)… http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?stor…	Dec 21 22:31
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schestowitz	InformationWeek (Microsoft friend) to Microsoft’s ‘rescue’: http://www.informationweek.com/blog…	Dec 21 22:38
trmanco	Is Cloud Computing Vaporware?: http://www.pcworld.com/article/15585…	Dec 21 22:43
schestowitz	What is cloud?	Dec 21 22:44
schestowitz	Haha. Ovum. I like them in general.	Dec 21 22:45
MinceR	Morph Ovum!	Dec 21 22:45
schestowitz	They are usually quite honest, like 451 Group	Dec 21 22:46
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schestowitz	“Think that the RIAA is getting sensible? Think again: it’s just getting clever: [...] Yup, it’s that old favourite: three strikes and you’re out…” < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/… >	Dec 21 23:58