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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 7th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:06 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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tessier_ “Steve Jobs died” haha,…that’s a pretty mean hack. Jan 07 01:33
schestowitz Bloomberg already has the obituary. Jan 07 01:36
tessier_ Didn’t they (or someone) mistakenly run a pre-printed obituary somewhere once? Jan 07 01:38
tessier_ They do that just so they can scoop everyone else. Have all of the bio details and everything all ready to go just in case… Jan 07 01:38
tessier_ But once someone slipped and actually published it. That’s the danger of having that stuff sitting around. Jan 07 01:38
schestowitz Yes, they did. Jan 07 01:51
schestowitz I don’t know the author’s name Jan 07 01:51
schestowitz Dina Bass maybe? Jan 07 01:51
tessier German billionaire Adolf Merckle, one of the richest men in the world, committed suicide Monday after his business empire got into trouble in the wake of the international financial crisis, Merckle’s family said Tuesday in a statement. Jan 07 03:29
tessier Any chance billg invested in that Maddoff fund? Jan 07 03:29
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ushimitsudoki tessier: WSJ list of “madoff victims”: http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/docume… Jan 07 03:49
neighborlee eek Jan 07 03:51
neighborlee let the punishment fit the crime Jan 07 03:51
ushimitsudoki It does … he is under house arrest in a $7M manhattan apartment. Doesn’t that seem fair? Jan 07 03:52
ushimitsudoki I mean judge is even “considering” putting him in jail: http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNe… Jan 07 03:53
neighborlee jail is too good Jan 07 03:54
ushimitsudoki He also faces one whole count of securities fraud Jan 07 03:54
ushimitsudoki That will really discourage financial fraud. I can’t imagine what more the people can do Jan 07 03:55
neighborlee I say let him earn all that money back to his investors,,,with interest Jan 07 03:55
neighborlee with commuity service for rest of his life Jan 07 03:55
neighborlee amazing # of jewish organizations that got it Jan 07 03:56
neighborlee woah even steven spielberg ;0- Jan 07 03:57
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tessier ushimitsudoki: It is fair. Innocent until proven guilty. The point of putting people in jail before a trial is only to ensure that they don’t flee and avoid the trial. People who can be trusted not to flee are commonly put under house arrest. Jan 07 06:17
ushimitsudoki tessier: really? most people I know that have been awaiting trial spend that time in jail. I guess that’s cause my friends got arrest on main street and not wall street Jan 07 06:20
tessier ushimitsudoki: No, it is because they were a flight risk. Jan 07 06:21
ushimitsudoki tessier: wow and you know them too! amazing. well, then there it is. argument settled Jan 07 06:21
tessier Indeed. Jan 07 06:21
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MinceR r4wr Jan 07 09:43
schestowitz Shane O’Neill, CIO (typical Microsoft boosters in IDG): “Dip in Windows Is Just a Blip on the Radar” Jan 07 10:50
schestowitz This guy is like some marketing redhead… sort of like Richard Steel in the UK. Jan 07 10:51
schestowitz Is a Boycott of IE Mobile Brewing? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156484/ie… > Jan 07 10:52
MinceR funny how they needed that to encourage them to switch to opera Jan 07 10:54
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schestowitz US business moves to the east. “An arm of the U.S. Treasury Department has approved Advanced Micro Devices’ plan to create a new foundry company with major investment from the government of Abu Dhabi” < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156493/amd_foundr… > Jan 07 11:02
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/index.php?option=com_c… British PCs can now hack your personal computer without a warrant Jan 07 11:10
-christel-[Global Notice] Hi all! I’m about to do a tiny bit of rehubbing to try sort out some desync issues with one of our client servers, affected users ~2500. It will be somewhat bumpy but should be quick! Apologies for the inconvenience and have a nice day. Jan 07 11:25
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=… “I can’t help but think Matt Hartly is misguided here (and hopefully not intentionally trying to lend Monopolysoft a hand). People pay for what is unique and better. The more things we “just have to get from Linux”, the more likely we will put up with some migration discomforts.” Jan 07 11:31
schestowitz (Some) LinkedIn Profiles Leading To Malware < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… > Jan 07 11:32
schestowitz Windows-only LinkIn ‘features’… Jan 07 11:32
schestowitz *Linked Jan 07 11:32
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Omar87 Hi all. Jan 07 11:35
Omar87 http://omarsdaydreams.blogspot.com/2009/01/linu… Jan 07 11:36
schestowitz VMware is still being hijacked by Microsoft… http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/VMw… Jan 07 11:36
Omar87 schestowitz: VirtualBox is much better. :) Jan 07 11:36
schestowitz Not for servers. Jan 07 11:37
schestowitz There is also the userbase issue. Jan 07 11:37
Omar87 schestowitz: Did you read my post? Jan 07 11:37
schestowitz Yes, I intend to use it later. Jan 07 11:42
Omar87 Great! :) Jan 07 11:43
Omar87 I just made a small addition to it, I added the Logo of our group. ;) Jan 07 11:44
schestowitz Linux Journal has become pretty useless, but here’s a poll to watch: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/drm-free-… Jan 07 11:45
schestowitz Very nice logo. Jan 07 11:45
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSG Jan 07 11:46
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schestowitz The press didn’t notice: “On December 30th, UIQ filed for bankruptcy (as is required of insolvent companies under Swedish law).” < http://ostatic.com/blog/as-the-uiq-platf… > Jan 07 11:51
schestowitz “It’s interesting to look at this story from both sides of the intellectual property argument. It illustrates clearly why companies go to great lengths (and expense) to hold on to and protect intellectual property — it is a matter of life and death in some instances.” Jan 07 11:52
schestowitz Why is Lotus being wrongly treated like it has something to do with open source (it hasn’t): http://ostatic.com/blog/ibm-readies-fre… Jan 07 11:56
schestowitz Omar87: “interested know ” ->  “interested in knowing” Jan 07 11:59
schestowitz Glyn caught the wonderful news about Vietnam moving to Free software: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01/… Jan 07 12:03
schestowitz http://digg.com/microsoft/An_Inside_Look… “I have seen how they brutally destroyed the careers of those who stood in their way (eg, Peter Quinn in Massachusetts). This IS Standard Operating Procedure for Microsoft.” Jan 07 12:09
schestowitz Another reason why Linux ‘Foundation’ (IBM, Novell and GPLv3 haters) are not good for Free (libre) software: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2… Jan 07 12:11
ushimitsudoki that article – and entire line of thinking – absolutely enrages me Jan 07 12:17
ushimitsudoki debian has a perfectly acceptable “non-free” area for non-free firmware/software Jan 07 12:18
ushimitsudoki and another point is acting like people speaking up on a matter of principle are “zealots”. You can argue for idealogical purity and still compromise Jan 07 12:19
schestowitz Yes, Carla S blasted him for it. Jan 07 12:19
ushimitsudoki it can just be a matter of making sure the importance of the goals are realized, and not quickly dismissed at the first hint of inconvenience Jan 07 12:19
schestowitz I hare the introduction of daemonisation terms Jan 07 12:19
schestowitz In a world where it’s assumed that all drievrs are open, closed ones are sins Jan 07 12:20
schestowitz Then, those who fail to give code (intent) for their ‘connectors’ should be portrayed as different , or “zealots” Jan 07 12:20
ushimitsudoki Sometimes you have to compromise. That’s part of life in many areas. It doesn’t mean you have to be happy about it, and it doesn’t mean you can’t express your desire that the compromise was not necessary Jan 07 12:21
schestowitz IBM needs to understand this. T’so works for them now. Jan 07 12:24
schestowitz Ts’o Jan 07 12:24
schestowitz A summary of patent news of relevance to Free software: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/07/count… Jan 07 12:33
schestowitz Bad. http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/06/son… Jan 07 12:49
schestowitz http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg… “Despite the growing numbers of unemployed, four out of five people who still have jobs believe layoffs will not happen to them–at least not in the next six months, according to a survey released Tuesday by Harris Interactive and Glassdoor.com.” Jan 07 12:57
schestowitz “Furthermore, over half of these people expected an annual bonus in December and 40 percent are looking for a pay raise or a cost-of-living increase this year–even though the economy could be the worst since the Great Depression.” Jan 07 12:57
schestowitz The MSBBC strikes again. Talking Points extraodinaire: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog… Jan 07 13:07
schestowitz Microsoft and Ballmer buddy Rory Cellan-Jones  (he has a history with them) smashes Apple and to his rescue he has an ‘analyst’… where from? The [P]artner Group Jan 07 13:08
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schestowitz http://www.osnews.com/story/20734/UI… (UIQ Files for Bankruptcy)… too late  with the code. FOSS could have rescued them in 2006/7 Jan 07 14:02
MinceR symbian sucks anyway Jan 07 14:04
schestowitz PJ: “I’ve moved six or seven times since starting Groklaw, for my safety.” http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20081… Jan 07 14:05
schestowitz “I get threats, and whenever I do, I tell the authorities and move again. I’m a bit tired of having to do that, and it makes it hard to make a living. With the meltdown, I figure you can’t pick up the slack and protect me that way, so the only option is to drift off into the haze.” Jan 07 14:05
schestowitz “You may say, oh, you exaggerate. Well, here is one from last week, and please excuse the language: “Your a stupid asshole, please kill yourself, I hope my words cause you to ibiblio die have fun trying to prosecute me for murder, if I ever meet you face to face I WILL kill you, ibiblioin piece of shit.”” Jan 07 14:06
MinceR lol Jan 07 14:07
schestowitz She lets the abusers win. Jan 07 14:08
schestowitz “Someone who has been through this type of thing told me that corporations don’t want to be traced as the cause of such things. But they do things to make sure one’s address is available widely on the Internet, and then if a kook shows up on your doorstep, they look like they are not involved. Connecting some dots?” Jan 07 14:08
schestowitz On cronies: “Now I was willing to put up with this when there was a crisis, but now that I see the danger to Linux is over, why should I? For that matter, just thinking about the people I write about every day is repulsive. It’s a world I never knew existed, until I did Groklaw. I am not exaggerating when I say that I never knew there were such folks on the planet with me.” Jan 07 14:08
MinceR it’s over? Jan 07 14:09
schestowitz I don’t know, but I doubt it’ll ever be the same. Jan 07 14:09
MinceR sounds like a microsoft munchkin Jan 07 14:10
schestowitz I just ignore the threats I get Jan 07 14:10
schestowitz I live in a high-security place. Jan 07 14:10
MinceR good for you Jan 07 14:10
schestowitz HERE WE GO: Satyam Chief Quits, Admits Faking Financial Results <  http://www.pcworld.com/article/156525/satyam_chief_… > Jan 07 14:11
schestowitz You know what Microsoft says… “everyone is doing it” Jan 07 14:11
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/16/ponz… Jan 07 14:12
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/156523/phoenix_offers_… “HyperSpace is based on a compressed Linux OS that boots up while Windows is starting in the background. “ Jan 07 14:14
neighborlee schestowitz, alex d efinition of what merits ‘free’ I find very  amusing ;) Jan 07 14:26
neighborlee talk about a moot point :) Jan 07 14:27
schestowitz Yes, I know. Jan 07 14:27
schestowitz January bloodbath:  Japan’s Sanyo to axe 1,000 jobs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/263/105… >. Lots of people are still in denial, thinking it would improve “Real Soon Now(C)” Jan 07 14:28
schestowitz Microsoft might be a case of a lie growing too big Jan 07 14:29
schestowitz Like, you know… when someone lies about financial figures to meet quarterly expectations. Jan 07 14:29
schestowitz And then this lie requires further lying to keep up Jan 07 14:29
neighborlee sad indeed Jan 07 14:29
schestowitz Charlie P snitched on this for illegal financial conduct Jan 07 14:29
schestowitz So they (Microsoft) bribed him to shut up Jan 07 14:30
schestowitz I reckon Microsoft might be like Satyam… living a lie.. a BIG Lie. Jan 07 14:30
schestowitz More than 50 million bloggers in China < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/261/105… > Belittling all the rest combined? Jan 07 14:31
Omar87 schestowitz: Typo corrected, thanks. :) Jan 07 14:31
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schestowitz Omar87: if you read BN and spot typos, please let me know. Jan 07 14:34
schestowitz There’s this girl I know from Digg who said she’d review my posts, but it’s impractical Jan 07 14:35
Omar87 schestowitz: I will, don’t worry. ;) Jan 07 14:35
schestowitz I sent her, for the first time, an item yesterday.. for proofreading (I never did this before). It’s just delaying the whole process, so it’s better to post publicly, then  provide feedback, I think. Jan 07 14:35
schestowitz http://www.itnewsafrica.com/?p=2018 “has already been released on 17 November 2008. The Beta Version was already released in July 2008.” Jan 07 14:51
schestowitz It’s not the first time that this site reposts very old news as though it was ‘news’ Jan 07 14:51
schestowitz It shouldn’t be aggregated in Google News. Jan 07 14:51
neighborlee schestowitz, had no idea about openlazio..very intriguing ;) Jan 07 14:52
schestowitz They are not covered sufficiently. Jan 07 14:52
neighborlee yeah Jan 07 14:53
schestowitz Mac fans mourn a weak gig from Apple: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/06/ma… Jan 07 15:32
neighborlee gotta admit I like some of what apple does Jan 07 15:32
neighborlee a good friend has a apple notebook and loves it….they have some clever designs..like power supply which if pullled out is no biggie, as its magnetic ;) Jan 07 15:33
neighborlee and slim design on top of  very efficient power utilization Jan 07 15:33
neighborlee wish I had one ;) Jan 07 15:33
MinceR ah, the magnetic connector that burns itself Jan 07 15:33
neighborlee it does ? Jan 07 15:34
neighborlee hers seems fine, unless she’s just never mentioned it. Jan 07 15:34
MinceR the idea seems to be ok, as long as you can keep your magnetic storage devices and credit cards away, i guess Jan 07 15:34
MinceR http://www.appledefects.com/?p=285 Jan 07 15:34
MinceR the implementation definitely sucks though Jan 07 15:34
neighborlee ouch Jan 07 15:35
neighborlee I wonder if she knows about this..I should prob. mention it just in case o_0 Jan 07 15:36
schestowitz *LOL* Jan 07 15:37
schestowitz http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x… (Apple Owes Me $99) Jan 07 15:37
MinceR :) Jan 07 15:40
neighborlee ouch Jan 07 15:40
neighborlee nice idea though Jan 07 15:42
neighborlee apple and innovatin seems to know no bounds o_0 Jan 07 15:42
neighborlee except ipod <I wont use it, ogg all the way baby> Jan 07 15:42
neighborlee lol Jan 07 15:42
MinceR and flac Jan 07 15:43
neighborlee yeah Jan 07 15:43
schestowitz Give me FLAK Jan 07 15:44
MinceR apple seems to do rather minimal innovation Jan 07 15:44
schestowitz Marketing makes innovation Jan 07 15:44
MinceR that’s hardly innovation Jan 07 15:45
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/28/i… Jan 07 15:46
schestowitz Key point: many projects innovate, but they don’t make noise about it Jan 07 15:46
schestowitz They just move on… no bribing of journalists, no filing of patents, etc. Jan 07 15:46
MinceR indeed Jan 07 15:49
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schestowitz http://newsblaze.com/story/20090106… “Now, instead of 80-90% processor utilization at busy times, it is 80% idle. I like a machine like that because it gives us room to grow.” Jan 07 16:47
schestowitz Microsoft Watch dumped Microsoft about two years ago… replacing Windows with Red Hat. :-) Jan 07 16:47
schestowitz Intel vPro Hacked < http://news.softpedia.com/news/I… > Jan 07 16:57
schestowitz Sun buys another bucket for its ship… http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article… Jan 07 17:00
schestowitz Blankenhorn BS this time around: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3262 Jan 07 17:03
schestowitz GNU/Linux from…Marks & Spencer < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01/gnuli… > Jan 07 17:10
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schestowitz New York unemployment system crashed < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/275/105… > Jan 07 17:14
schestowitz “THE STATE of New York’s computer system that processes its unemployment insurance claims crashed under tidal waves of demand on Monday afternoon and for several hours on Tuesday, overwhelmed by online and phone traffic from thousands of jobless workers.” Jan 07 17:14
schestowitz State’s Unemployment System Buckles Under Surging Demand < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/nyregion/0… >. Many companies don’t publicly state their cutbacks, e.g. local restaurants. Jan 07 17:15
schestowitz Lame: Apple Charging $0.30 Per Song To Ditch DRM < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090106/191… > Jan 07 17:18
schestowitz “In the initial news about Apple going DRM-free, I saw it reported that Apple would let you convert your existing files to DRM-free. However, what was left out of the reports I saw (though, people in our comments pointed it out) was that Apple wants to charge you $0.30 for the privilege of getting rid of the DRM. “ Jan 07 17:19
schestowitz Ripple effects of corruption: Indian Outsourcers Face Scrutiny After Satyam Debacle < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156541/indian_outsourcers… > Jan 07 17:25
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neighborlee schestowitz, this talk of content creation is non sense faict…openlazio ( from examples ive seen ) , can do just that Jan 07 17:53
neighborlee they just dont like the inconvenient truth it represents to  spreading  *light LOL Jan 07 17:53
schestowitz They need to slme me Jan 07 17:53
neighborlee yup Jan 07 17:53
schestowitz So they argue over nothing Jan 07 17:53
schestowitz Sean Goole jumped in to point this out Jan 07 17:53
schestowitz They defend MS XAML Jan 07 17:53
neighborlee transparent indeed Jan 07 17:54
schestowitz To MS.. Jan 07 17:54
neighborlee moonlight sheds truth on silverlight,,,ohhhhh the irony ;)haah Jan 07 17:54
schestowitz Where? Jan 07 17:54
neighborlee I just made it up ;) Jan 07 17:54
schestowitz Moonlight is not Silverlight (latest) compatible and never will be Jan 07 17:55
neighborlee thats my point :) Jan 07 17:55
schestowitz It’s all designed to make Linux work poorly (or “Not Work(C)”) on the Web. Microsoft can carry on changing XAML at any time. Jan 07 17:55
neighborlee sorry slightly vague, but I thought it was <cute> Jan 07 17:55
neighborlee as always..education is paramount if people are to be more than sheep accepting orders Jan 07 17:56
schestowitz Employees Overwhelmingly Confident About Layoffs < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… > Jan 07 17:56
schestowitz Microsoft Setting Aside Seattle Expansion Plans http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/… Jan 07 17:57
neighborlee sweet Jan 07 17:58
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schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/07/peter-ok… I hope it doesn’t bore you. Can you spot typos? :-) Jan 07 18:03
schestowitz Omar87: If you get the change to read these, I think it will be faster for you to just read it quickly and write things like: * Replace “he sayd” with “he says”. ;* Replace “the fox run up the hill” with “the fox run to the top of the hill. I really appreciate it! Jan 07 18:04
schestowitz I’m sad about the PJ news… opinions that I see: “I understand that Groklaw isn’t going to continue as it was.  PJ’s made that pretty clear. There’s no longer any reason for her to stay at risk.  The big work has been done, it’s time to move on to other things.” Jan 07 18:05
schestowitz What will happen to Linux.com now? Jan 07 18:05
schestowitz Groklaw reader says: “She has put herself in the line of fire for a very long time.  No one can sustain being under that kind of stress for too long.  I’d rather see her stop than to work till she breaks down completely.” Jan 07 18:06
schestowitz “I also believe she’s looking for a different way to do what she MOST loves doing.  I thinkt she’s going to write some books now, and *truly* hope there’s a publisher out there that has already contacted her.” Jan 07 18:06
schestowitz “It will be interesting to see what happens next.  Also, with Groklaw being tidied up and neatly parked and maintained, it can quickly be fired up again if something important happens (That should keep the bad guys on edge!). And I’d bet money that PJ will never stop writing, it’s what she> does…it just may not be for Groklaw as much.” Jan 07 18:06
neighborlee schestowitz, they also give half truths..maybe mono is in REPO, but its not part of install in either livecd of fedora or lenny insaller Jan 07 18:06
neighborlee taller Jan 07 18:06
schestowitz True. Jan 07 18:08
schestowitz But I think it might change Jan 07 18:08
schestowitz Some reader thinks we should change BN too. Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz “As I said before and this is good advice: Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 01. Stop posting on COLA Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 02. Drop the IRC channel, you are only making yourself a target for the trolls. Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 03. Do *not* respond to the trolls Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 04. Don’t engage in ad hominem attacks on BN, mention the facts and let people draw their own conclusions. Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 05. Spend you time posting comments on other blogs and forums, leave a link back to BM. Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 06. Make BN a subscription only forum Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz 07. Change the name or start a new one, TechBlog or something “ Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz Bad advice mostly….. Jan 07 18:10
schestowitz   Lenovo shares suspended < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200… > “Last week influential Chinese magazine Caijing claimed that Lenovo would imminently slash 200 permanent jobs, had suspended hiring at the firm and planned to sack factory contractors in an attempt to offset tough economic conditions. Jan 07 18:12
schestowitz Barclays cuts more IT jobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/0… > Jan 07 18:17
schestowitz Does MS have any insiders in Verizon (maybe ‘incentives’)?  http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyN… Jan 07 18:26
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schestowitz What is Verizon smoking for choosing the least successful SE? Jan 07 18:27
schestowitz Hey, cday Jan 07 18:27
schestowitz See  http://www.reuters.com/article/technolo… Jan 07 18:27
cday hey, i’m here! Jan 07 18:27
schestowitz Microsoft may be having Verizon smoke some greens (dollars) Jan 07 18:27
schestowitz That’s how Microsoft gets contracts with companies for ads and search… Jan 07 18:28
schestowitz Digg too… it /BUYS/ clients. Jan 07 18:28
cday I’m reading about it now Jan 07 18:28
schestowitz “Shares of Microsoft Corp., the world’s largest software maker, sank Wednesday after chip maker Intel Corp. said fourth-quarter sales missed already lowered expectations.” http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/… Jan 07 18:28
cday Ha, I knew digg buddied up to MS Jan 07 18:28
schestowitz They had to issue lots of PR Jan 07 18:29
schestowitz And prod their favourite journalists in BusinessWeek and such Jan 07 18:29
schestowitz What good is the purchase of a client if nobody knows about the ‘win’? Jan 07 18:30
schestowitz Someone in USENET said that BusinessWeek is owned by Microsoft, but it was just a — well — figure of speech, so to speak. Jan 07 18:30
cday I just finished reading about the verizon deal.  it will be interesting to see how  it goes. Jan 07 18:31
schestowitz Microsoft inside Digg is also a poison pill for Google, which negotiated buying Digg. For similar reasons they say that Microsoft bought a piece of Facebook (to ‘secure’ it  from the ‘evil’ companies… like Google). Jan 07 18:31
neighborlee schestowitz, I think its fine to respond when they dont use abusive language and when you make sure that your replies dont target their  trolling..facts must remain facts whether the like it or not…when they start to feel the ‘heat’ they start to chage the subject or interject nonsense..I think having open discussion proves your not trying to lockin topics which in a free society is always positive..just look at obama and utube ;) Jan 07 18:32
schestowitz neighborlee: depends on what one means by “Trolls” Jan 07 18:32
schestowitz The ones in BN who heckle are not trolls. Jan 07 18:32
schestowitz They disrupt, but it’s a low level of trolling. Jan 07 18:32
cday it seems to me that everything MS touches goes downhill.  i’m glad i don’t use verizon Jan 07 18:33
schestowitz Microsoft spies on Macs now (of course not):  http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10… http://www.techflash.com/Microsoft_Mac_Office_… Jan 07 18:34
schestowitz They should not quote MS on statistics. It habitually lies by changing definitions… there’s wiggling room. Jan 07 18:34
schestowitz cday: they used to say the same about FOSS. Jan 07 18:34
cday i had wondered what benefit MS expected from owning a part of facebook. Jan 07 18:35
schestowitz … that only those who lose run to FOSS or Linux.. Jan 07 18:35
schestowitz But the truth is that those who sell out are failing companies… which Microsoft betrays or devours. Jan 07 18:35
schestowitz The founder of Facebook has become a buddy of Ozzie (MS President, IIRC) Jan 07 18:36
schestowitz “Keep your enemies closer…” Jan 07 18:36
cday was verizon a failing company? Jan 07 18:36
schestowitz I don’t think so. Jan 07 18:36
schestowitz It works with Linux on phones Jan 07 18:36
schestowitz Running back and fourth between OHA (Andoird) and LiMo, I think. Jan 07 18:36
cday will that change? Jan 07 18:36
schestowitz I hope not. Jan 07 18:37
cday MS has GOT to hate android Jan 07 18:37
schestowitz Samsung sort of got closer to Microsoft. Jan 07 18:37
schestowitz Not just because of the patent deal, but hardware deals too, inc. memoty chips Jan 07 18:37
schestowitz So they sold Linux out and began pushing harder with some more Win Mobile phone… Jan 07 18:38
schestowitz cday: when Microsoft ingores something important, it means it dislikes it. Jan 07 18:38
schestowitz When it mocks it, then it means it hates/fears it. Jan 07 18:38
cday don’t you think that by spreading themselves so thin, trying to capture every market (whether they understand that market, or not) is surely going to wear them down Jan 07 18:38
schestowitz Ballmer mocked both the iPhone and Android (several times even). It figures. Jan 07 18:38
schestowitz Yes, it’s true Jan 07 18:39
schestowitz But.. Jan 07 18:39
schestowitz They had cash piles from a dying business model Jan 07 18:39
schestowitz Like, you know, software where you must pass file by E-mail to work collaboratively. Jan 07 18:39
cday aren’t those cash piles dwindling? Jan 07 18:39
schestowitz Then came Wikis, SaaS for office tasks, Zimbra, etc. Jan 07 18:39
schestowitz So they MUST move to something else, i.e. cannibalise Jan 07 18:39
schestowitz They do very badly at everything they touch so far Jan 07 18:40
schestowitz They lack focus and they are immobiled because of the cannibal’s dilemma. Jan 07 18:40
cday i do think they are their own worst enemy Jan 07 18:40
schestowitz As in, make a good online/Web office suits… well, Microsoft would suffer the most, no? :-) Jan 07 18:40
schestowitz So it can’t move. Jan 07 18:40
schestowitz cday: they are almost in debt now. Jan 07 18:41
schestowitz Also in the news today:   Microsoft puts search for more Seattle space on hold “Microsoft has put on hold any interest in further expanding its operations in Seattle because of the deteriorating economy, a spokesman said Tuesday.” http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/… Microsoft Setting Aside Seattle Expansion Plans http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/07/microso… Jan 07 18:41
schestowitz ansion-plans Jan 07 18:41
schestowitz That last URL got chopped: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/07/microsof… Jan 07 18:41
cday but putting expansion plans on hold would only sound normal in this economy.  most people would think nothing of it, or would think it made good sense to be more thrifty now.  it doesn’t necessarily mean they are hurting financially, does it? (I hope they are though) Jan 07 18:43
schestowitz They buy back their own stock. Jan 07 18:43
schestowitz If they don’t buy their stock, their market cap keeps sinking (would be about the same as Google’s) Jan 07 18:44
schestowitz It they buy the stock, they go into debt, which they do. Barron’s reported on this last week, saying they would accelerate buybacks. Jan 07 18:44
cday when reading about SCOs subsidaries in other countries, and how they were funneling (laundering?  maybe?) money through them, i also wondered if MS did things like that, they have so many things going on around the world it wouldn’t be hard to do Jan 07 18:46
schestowitz Did you hear about Satyam today? Jan 07 18:46
cday sorry, i don’t think “laundering” was the correct word to use, hiding or disguising might be more accurate. Jan 07 18:47
*schestowitz looks at MS layoffs news… only MSNBC (yes, still with the “MS”) denies the layoffs. Jan 07 18:47
*schestowitz sees lots of Zune news this week… for the wrong reasons :-) Jan 07 18:47
cday Satyam?  No I didn’t hear Jan 07 18:47
schestowitz laundering is not the correct term. Jan 07 18:48
schestowitz But “soft bribery” is a term that applies Jan 07 18:48
schestowitz It happens all the time and it needn’t be money (liquid) Jan 07 18:48
schestowitz Favourism/nepotism are a routine thing. Jan 07 18:48
cday Yes, I’ve noticed tons of Zune news, i wondered if they were trying to keep the last zune bug from being remembered Jan 07 18:48
schestowitz 2pm <schestowitz> HERE WE GO: Satyam Chief Quits, Admits Faking Financial Results <  http://www.pcworld.com/article/156525/satyam_chief… > <schestowitz> 5PM: <schestowitz> Ripple effects of corruption: Indian Outsourcers Face Scrutiny After Satyam Debacle < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156541/indian_out… > Jan 07 18:49
schestowitz I reckon Microsoft could have a similar story to tell. Jan 07 18:50
schestowitz The SEC might be in for a surprise. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/… Jan 07 18:50
schestowitz And Microsoft already had one of its own employee blow the whistle on financial misconduct. It paid him $4 million to shut up about it. Jan 07 18:51
schestowitz There’s lots of XBox noise ATM as well… but Microsoft pretends Nintendo does not exist Jan 07 18:51
schestowitz It only talks about Sony… like the small bully in the class taking on the weakest kid for vanity. Jan 07 18:52
cday I just read the Satyam article, is that company a MS partner? Jan 07 18:52
schestowitz Yes Jan 07 18:53
schestowitz AFAIK, they do lots of business with them Jan 07 18:53
schestowitz Probably a GOLD-certified partner, but I haven’t checked Jan 07 18:53
schestowitz http://www.talkxbox.com/article2981.html ” Amidst the announcement that Woolworths would be shutting down due to bankruptcy, there were the typical “everything must go” sales where the store was practically giving their goods away. “ Jan 07 18:55
cday I’m not a gamer so the xbox competition against other game box companies is generally not something i read about. It doesn’t surprise me to know they use the same tactics in that market though Jan 07 18:56
schestowitz I didn’t know that they died… but either way, watch Microsoft harassing a dying company. Jan 07 18:56
cday Woolworths?  Yikes, they went out of business (here) decades ago. Jan 07 18:57
schestowitz Resurrected in the UK? Like a zombie… Jan 07 18:57
schestowitz IIRC, their head is/was a major Bilderbirger. Jan 07 18:58
schestowitz *erg Jan 07 18:58
cday so what do you think will be the final story about yahoo and MS’s nasty treatment of them? Jan 07 18:58
schestowitz Maybe they’ll buy search at some stage Jan 07 18:59
schestowitz Yahoo is already too polluted by Microsoft people Jan 07 18:59
schestowitz On the board they have Icahn and his buddies and in other key positions they have execs who ‘defected’ from MS over the months… Jan 07 18:59
cday i never used yahoo much, but i feel badly for the company…it must be like being eaten alive from the inside out Jan 07 19:00
schestowitz This very much reminds me of how one devastated a country through strangulations (embargo of bombing.. in this case bid, cancellations and endless agitation). Then, when resistance dissolved, they move in and appoint a puppet regime. Jan 07 19:00
schestowitz Yes, Yahoo is being taken over from the inside Jan 07 19:00
schestowitz I worry about VMware too Jan 07 19:01
schestowitz EMC devours their shares, then marries VMware with its big partner, Microsoft. Jan 07 19:01
schestowitz From one hour ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/07/mi… Jan 07 19:01
schestowitz More here I’ve just noticed: VMware hires away Borland CEO < http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-1013… > Jan 07 19:02
cday I also felt bad for VMware, but they didn’t seem to understand the dangers and were (apparently) easy pickin’s (Roy, my lunch break is over and the phone is ringing, I must get back to work.  I’ll stop in again soon.  bye for now!) Jan 07 19:03
schestowitz Amy Newman covers this too http://www.serverwatch.com/virtualization/… Jan 07 19:03
schestowitz “Prior to Borland, Nielsen held exec management positions at BEA and Oracle and spent 12 years at Microsoft. “ Jan 07 19:03
schestowitz I wonder if Borland too got sort of ‘occupied’ by Microsoft after Microsoft had stolen its staff. Shades of Corel.. Jan 07 19:04
schestowitz Cya later Jan 07 19:04
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schestowitz Cisco-Microsoft link (new one): Cisco Invests In Microsoft Outlook Startup < http://www.crn.com/software/212700682 > Jan 07 19:17
schestowitz Didn’t it buy PostPath (Linux)?? Jan 07 19:18
schestowitz Indian press advertises Microsoft’s vapourware: http://www.idm.net.au/story.asp?id=16462 Jan 07 19:31
schestowitz Mcirosoft find a ‘drug dealer’ to sub-contract; PEER 1 Selected to Join Microsoft BizSpark Program < http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industr… > Jan 07 19:37
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schestowitz http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-257973.html “Satyam, one of India’s six largest IT outsourcing companies, counts such Fortune 500 companies as Sony among its customers. [...] That resulted in artificial operating margins of 24 percent of revenue, compared with its actual 3 percent margin.” What might Microsoft’s be? Jan 07 19:46
twitter M$FT, down 5% today http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Jan 07 19:50
twitter they are back under their $20 rock and falling fast. Jan 07 19:50
Axz here is another how fast are Microsoft geeks… http://mcpmag.com/news/article.asp?editor… Jan 07 19:51
schestowitz http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/oper… “I’m using this OS as I type,” wrote a Pirate Bay user going by the name “al966g.” “Looks like it’s OK to me, not too much different than Vista but a few new items,” the user wrote. Jan 07 19:53
schestowitz Vista7 Jan 07 19:53
schestowitz Now with 7 new GUI toys Jan 07 19:53
Axz No i mean comeon Windows 7 was few weeks ago already leaked.. Jan 07 19:53
Axz whats news about that Jan 07 19:53
Axz those nubcakes released it today likes its few secs ago.. Jan 07 19:54
twitter Probably a plant.  M$ wants to keep a constant dribble of hype for Vista 7. Jan 07 19:54
twitter They will spam boards with crap about Vista 7 working, as if Vista itself works. Jan 07 19:55
twitter Having watched Vista brick itself on someone’s computer for Christmas, I know that Vista is still a POS. Jan 07 19:56
schestowitz The Munchkins are nymshifting.   http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/30/unmasking-alb… Jan 07 19:56
schestowitz They are coming and sticking like glue from other sites Jan 07 19:56
schestowitz First we had twitter’s stalkers, Michaels and “Gentoo user” harassing and smearing cr* in BN. Now we ‘inherit’ some of LinuxToday’s trolls, who are too stupid to change their mail address when they nymshift. Jan 07 19:57
twitter It’s probably the same people with more time on their hands for you.  Without Technocrat, GL and linux.com, BN will get the Sog. Jan 07 19:57
schestowitz Just don’t reply to them. Jan 07 19:58
twitter I generally don’t but they crap flood the comments and make them worthless. Jan 07 19:58
schestowitz I agree and I think I wrote this before… Microsoft ‘leaked’ things before.. either software or screenshots Jan 07 19:59
schestowitz It wants to keep the “Windows 7″ buzz in the headlines in order for CIOs et al to reckon it’s already ‘out there’.. It freezes the market Jan 07 19:59
twitter M$ has been hyping Windows 7 since October of 2007. Jan 07 19:59
schestowitz BillG was part of this vapourware tricl. Jan 07 20:00
schestowitz *trick Jan 07 20:00
twitter The market has been frozen since 2001 or so. Jan 07 20:00
schestowitz Microsoft Clears Gates-Induced Confusion about Windows 7 http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Microsoft_Clears_Ga… Jan 07 20:00
twitter M$ has not frozen the market, M$ has destroyed it. Jan 07 20:00
schestowitz http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumerc… Jan 07 20:00
schestowitz Nathan Myhrvold (MS’ patent troll): “The purpose of announcing early like this is to freeze the market at the” Jan 07 20:01
schestowitz Nathan Myhrvold (MS’ patent troll): ” we will just have vaporware” Jan 07 20:01
schestowitz He wrote this E-mail to BillG and Brad Silverberg (another total thug) Jan 07 20:01
schestowitz Brad Silverberg, Microsoft: “I’d be glad to help tilt lotus into into the death spiral. I could do it Friday afternoon but not Saturday. I could do it pretty much any time the following week.” Jan 07 20:02
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=… PJ: “Now I was willing to put up with this when there was a crisis, but now that I see the danger to Linux is over, why should I? For that matter, just thinking about the people I write about every day is repulsive. It’s a world I never knew existed, until I did Groklaw Jan 07 20:03
tessier_ Have to be a groklaw member to view that. Jan 07 20:04
schestowitz Yes, I know. Jan 07 20:04
schestowitz Anyone can register Jan 07 20:04
tessier_ Sorry, creation of new accounts has been temporarily disabled Jan 07 20:04
tessier_ Nope Jan 07 20:04
tessier_ I think I may have had an account once upon a time, I don’t recall… Jan 07 20:05
schestowitz Hmmmmm……. Jan 07 20:06
schestowitz Maybe because of spam accounts she shut it down. Jan 07 20:06
schestowitz I had to shut mine down a week ago Jan 07 20:06
schestowitz This was used to scatter back SPAM, which denied the servers outgoing mail, including new comment notifications Jan 07 20:07
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twitter TW to have first loss in six years on decline in advertising and fall of cable network and AOL.  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060… Jan 07 20:13
twitter the US fired another 600,000 people last month http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500… Jan 07 20:14
twitter Intel saw a 23% decline last quarter http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060108… Jan 07 20:16
schestowitz Just 23%? Jan 07 20:17
schestowitz Well, it harmed others’ business as well. Jan 07 20:18
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schestowitz http://www.consortiuminfo.org/news/index.php#4854 on Groklaw. Jan 07 20:24
tessier_ ah, groklaw’s password reset feature worked. Now I can access my account again. Jan 07 20:42
schestowitz “Tessier”? Jan 07 20:46
schestowitz http://www.indidea.org/gael/blog/?p=71 (Virtualization Congress 2009: vote now for the Ulteo presentation!) Jan 07 20:48
tessier_ Nope. My username there is treed Jan 07 20:51
schestowitz It can be read as TreeD Jan 07 20:52
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schestowitz KDE4 performance on NVidia 8600GT: problem solved by bying ATI < http://adymo.blogspot.com/2008/10/kde4-perform… > Jan 07 21:06
schestowitz Silliness: “Now, the cheapest route of all would be to buy a netbook with Ubuntu pre-installed, blow away the Linux partition, and provision the netbook using an existing Windows XP Pro (or Vista Business or Ultimate license, which will allow you to downgrade, although you need to supply your own XP Pro install image).” http://weblog.infoworld.com/editor/archive… Jan 07 21:08
schestowitz Gartner’s latest FUD finds mouths: http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/a… Jan 07 21:22
schestowitz UIQ Shuttering Its Operations < http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/bu… >. Good new for mobile Linux. Jan 07 21:22
tessier_ http://english.vietnamnet.vn/te… Jan 07 21:23
tessier_ This sort of thing really makes me wonder. Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz What specifically? Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz They have been talking about this for years Jan 07 21:24
tessier_ I worked in Vietnam for a year, would like to work there some more, and married a Vietnamese I met while there. I would love to help them out. But they have been saying this for ages. Jan 07 21:24
tessier_ Exactly. Jan 07 21:24
tessier_ So WTF? Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz Microsoft and Intel carry on invading like the US in the 60s to cease control agaun Jan 07 21:24
tessier_ seize Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz Yes. Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz Hehe. Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz Freudian Jan 07 21:24
schestowitz I have refs Jan 07 21:25
schestowitz Hold ob. Jan 07 21:25
schestowitz I put lots here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/27… Jan 07 21:25
tessier_ I wonder who submitted that to /. Jan 07 21:25
schestowitz Christian? Jan 07 21:25
tessier_ I wouldn’t be surprised if the govt there was just tryign to get leverage against MS Jan 07 21:25
schestowitz I know he did cause I voted for it, but it was rejected Jan 07 21:26
tessier_ huh? Jan 07 21:26
schestowitz Possible that, too. Jan 07 21:26
schestowitz EDGI Jan 07 21:26
schestowitz People circulated that Vietnam news by E-mail… at least 3 sent it to me Jan 07 21:26
tessier_ hmm…my wife may be able to translate that video for you Jan 07 21:27
tessier_ I’ll ask her to take a look at it and see what he is saying. Jan 07 21:27
tessier_ Vietnam is a highly corrupt country. Jan 07 21:28
tessier_ I have personally watched police and various officials being paid off. Jan 07 21:29
tessier_ Police, immigration officials, telecom officials, etc. Jan 07 21:29
tessier_ It normally takes weeks to get a DSL line installed there. We paid an “expedite fee”. Jan 07 21:29
tessier_ My coworker overstayed his visa. He was taken aside to a small room a the airport and asked how much money he had. He gave it to them. He was free to leave the country. Jan 07 21:30
tessier_ I have loads of stories like this. Jan 07 21:30
tessier_ The culture there is one of corruption. Jan 07 21:30
tessier_ That has a lot to do with the war also. The way their society works just invites trouble. Jan 07 21:31
tessier_ The US went to VN with good intentions but did not realize the extent of the backstabbing and disarray there. The only way to succeed was with brainwashing which the communists were very good at and had a huge head start on. And we sucked at it. Jan 07 21:32
schestowitz So could the vote on OOXML be bought? Jan 07 21:32
tessier_ I’ve spent most of the last 3 years studying VN Jan 07 21:32
tessier_ Oh easily. Jan 07 21:32
schestowitz IIRC, someone commented there to accuse m,e. Jan 07 21:33
schestowitz That was a long time ago.. haven’t checked. Jan 07 21:33
tessier_ Degrees from VN are practically worthless. Lots of people buy their degrees and cheat on classes and pay off teachers and admissions officials to get accepted into the better schools etc. Jan 07 21:33
tessier_ My wife’s godmom was involved in a payoff scandle. She was a school principal who allegedly took money for students to be accepted into her high school whose test results were poorer than others. I say allegedly only to be proper. Jan 07 21:34
tessier_ He mistake was she pissed off the wrong people so she got made an example of. Probably didn’t cut them in or something. Jan 07 21:34
tessier_ Her Jan 07 21:34
tessier_ Every now and then communist countries try to restore public confidence by exposing a scandle and making an example of them. Jan 07 21:35
tessier_ It makes the people feel good. Kinda like our TSA at the airport.. But is really ineffectual. Jan 07 21:35
tessier_ My wife’s uncle has an english certificate. He doesn’t speak a word of english. It was purchased to fulfill a checkbox somewhere so he could get a job. Jan 07 21:35
tessier_ etc. etc. Jan 07 21:35
tessier_ Hmm…this is probably all going to go on the website and be indexed by google etc. I’ve already said way too much. Jan 07 21:36
schestowitz re: Vietnam (mail): “Good news i love it, Domino Effect,, let Burma go next, Cambodia,, we should see how we can push in those countries as well. We got a great example now to use.” Jan 07 21:36
schestowitz People are overenthusiastic about this. Jan 07 21:37
schestowitz I’ve watched this Vietnam tune for years (since 2006 at the earliest). They practically shout to Wintelsoft: “buy us! We’re hard to get” Jan 07 21:38
tessier_ The state of computer skills there is very poor. Jan 07 21:40
tessier_ There is actually a big opportunity to promote Linux there because most people have no preconceptions. Jan 07 21:41
schestowitz Same in India Jan 07 21:41
tessier_ But that is because they are villagers. Not sure if that is a good base to start with or not. Jan 07 21:41
schestowitz Very few people have enjoyed computer penetration. Jan 07 21:41
tessier_ India has a lot more computer skilled people (for a loose definition of skill) compared to Vietnam Jan 07 21:41
schestowitz BillG sort of corrupted China by now.. by liaising with the government. Jan 07 21:41
tessier_ I employed about a dozen Vietnamese there to work on a Linux related project. They were novices at best and nowhere near up to the task. Jan 07 21:42
twitter “enjoyed computer penetration”?  Roy, you have been reading the wrong kind of stuff lately. Jan 07 21:42
twitter Stay away from Wintel rags for a while. Jan 07 21:43
schestowitz Hehe. Jan 07 21:44
tessier_ Migrate 100% of the governments servers to “open source” by June 30th 3009?! Jan 07 21:44
tessier_ 2009 Jan 07 21:44
schestowitz Well, you know, you word is just an innocent one Jan 07 21:44
tessier_ 5 months? What are these guys smoking? I think that is proof right there that they aren’t serious. Jan 07 21:44
schestowitz Just because people use it in sexual context/conversation does not render it verboten Jan 07 21:44
tessier_ enjoying computer penetration means something entirely different to me… Jan 07 21:44
tessier_ Right Jan 07 21:44
schestowitz I think penetration is common as a term for computing in population Jan 07 21:45
twitter I’d say people have not been lucky enough to use computers. Jan 07 21:45
schestowitz Because the assumption is that they increasingly enter Jan 07 21:45
schestowitz Not going downwards Jan 07 21:45
schestowitz Patents stand in the way Jan 07 21:46
schestowitz They artificially elevate the price Jan 07 21:46
schestowitz There is focus on high-cost, few quantities. Jan 07 21:46
schestowitz OLPC tries changing this. Jan 07 21:46
twitter Penetration one side.  Exit wound on the other side. Jan 07 21:46
schestowitz Give computers to x5 as many people at /5 the cost Jan 07 21:46
twitter I know the term is common, I just don’t like it. Jan 07 21:46
twitter It’s not as annoying as “going forward” and a few other buzz words. Jan 07 21:47
schestowitz Hehe. Jan 07 21:47
schestowitz …Pervasive… Jan 07 21:47
schestowitz Like invasive pervert or something.. Jan 07 21:47
twitter ubiquitous Jan 07 21:47
schestowitz BillG uses the word… and Mars Shuttleworth uses it all the time. Jan 07 21:48
twitter mass produced Jan 07 21:48
schestowitz .INNOVA~1 Jan 07 21:48
twitter BillG has a lot of idiot echo.  I thought you had been reading that Wintel stuff again. Jan 07 21:48
schestowitz Blogosphere is one of the most hated words, said a survey Jan 07 21:48
schestowitz “Agility..” — Novell likes that one. Jan 07 21:49
twitter Agile Jan 07 21:49
twitter I like Argyle socks. Jan 07 21:49
schestowitz Eeeeiicosystem Jan 07 21:49
schestowitz Nothing to do with ecology BTW :-) Jan 07 21:50
twitter http://www.google.com/search?q=most+ha… Jan 07 21:50
twitter netiquette instead of manners Jan 07 21:51
twitter http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html Jan 07 21:52
twitter incentivize Jan 07 21:53
twitter recontextualize Jan 07 21:54
schestowitz Monetise? Jan 07 21:54
schestowitz Hated also Jan 07 21:54
twitter oh yes, potential Jan 07 21:54
schestowitz Unlimited Potentia Jan 07 21:54
schestowitz [to addicts kids] Jan 07 21:54
schestowitz *addict Jan 07 21:54
twitter incentivize is to offer some kind of reward. Jan 07 21:56
twitter or to simply reward Jan 07 21:56
twitter at least promise to reward … Jan 07 21:57
schestowitz Incentive = polite word for bribe Jan 07 21:57
schestowitz to incentivise = to brive Jan 07 21:57
schestowitz *bribe Jan 07 21:57
twitter Podcast, I really hate that word. Jan 07 21:59
schestowitz Turns out the Vietnam story was snuck into /, by Einfeldt Jan 07 22:00
schestowitz I hate the word “[*]pod[*]“ Jan 07 22:00
schestowitz Even iPod Jan 07 22:00
schestowitz iLife… Jan 07 22:00
schestowitz iI iCant iStand iiiT Jan 07 22:00
NeonFloss iAgree with you Jan 07 22:01
schestowitz Rumor Puts Anonymous Group In Line To Buy Yahoo < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/07/ru… > “Michael Arrington writes, “A group of well known Silicon Valley executives and top investment bankers are putting together a Yahoo takeover deal that would be financed largely from debt supplied by Microsoft, we’ve learned from sources with knowledge of the proposed transaction.”” Jan 07 22:04
twitter http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki Jan 07 22:17
twitter http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2009010… Jan 07 22:18
twitter above from /. about OLPC Jan 07 22:18
twitter BillG and Intel getting their wish. Jan 07 22:18
twitter NAS asks why US has NASA http://science.slashdot.org/artic… Jan 07 22:20
twitter that’s enough bad news for today. Jan 07 22:20
twitter bbl Jan 07 22:20
schestowitz Intel suffered nonetheless Jan 07 22:23
schestowitz It just tried destoroying everyone else around it, too. Jan 07 22:23
tessier_ uh Jan 07 22:26
tessier_ schestowitz: My wife says the video linked on the ooxml vietnam page has the guy on the mic saying: Jan 07 22:27
tessier_ (02:28:13 PM) nqt_bin: in the video, they said that OOXML was not a good software to us Jan 07 22:27
tessier_ (02:28:14 PM) nqt_bin: use Jan 07 22:27
tessier_ (02:28:37 PM) nqt_bin: and Vietnam Gov should not sign a contract or some thing with Microsoft to use it Jan 07 22:27
tessier_ (02:28:45 PM) nqt_bin: to store data and use their software Jan 07 22:27
schestowitz Good Jan 07 22:28
schestowitz But I think they voted wrong. :-) Jan 07 22:28
tessier_ Indeed Jan 07 22:28
schestowitz “It’s not good for us” = “you’ll have to pay us very handsomely for the elections” Jan 07 22:29
tessier_ Was Vietnam one of the countries who joined the higher level ISO membership (I forget what it is called) just so they could vote? Jan 07 22:29
schestowitz http://www.effi.org/blog/kai… Jan 07 22:30
schestowitz http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18661/effi-l… Yuck! “Rick Jelliffe” Jan 07 22:31
schestowitz Microsoft and its lousy spinner (he’s paid by them) is trying to deny corruption on /whose/ behalf? Jan 07 22:32
tessier_ http://tracyreed.org/photo-album/Vi… Jan 07 22:43
tessier_ Office pics from my Vietnam days Jan 07 22:43
schestowitz Here is a photo of your cuffs… with some view around it: http://tracyreed.org/photo-album/Vietnam/telep… Jan 07 22:47
schestowitz Your lady? http://tracyreed.org/photo-album/Vietnam/… Jan 07 22:48
schestowitz Oh wait. Jan 07 22:48
schestowitz Shoot… Jan 07 22:49
twitter Interesting pictures.  It must have been fun. Jan 07 22:50
twitter Here’s something disgusting.   http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/01/07/2009… Jan 07 22:51
twitter You would think their business is better than ever. Jan 07 22:51
schestowitz Recent: http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12… (Vietnamese Twitter-clone Saigonica violates AGPL) Jan 07 22:57
tessier_ Yeah, that’s her.  Better pics here:  http://flickr.com/photos/nqt_bin/3067011341/ http://flickr.com/photos/nqt_bin/608248326/i…   http://flickr.com/photos/nqt_bin/1430867904… Jan 07 22:57
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 07 22:57
tessier_ Did I link you to Kevin’s page? Jan 07 22:57
schestowitz “Joe Francis, creator of the “Girl’s Gone Wild” video series, and Larry Flynt, founder of Hustler, will ask Congress for a $5 billion bailout, according to TMZ.” Jan 07 22:57
tessier_ http://tracyreed.org/photo-album/Vietna… Jan 07 22:58
schestowitz Kevin? Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ First meeting of the Saigon Linux Users’s group. Meetings are very sporadic due to practically zero interest. Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ Kevin Miller Jan 07 22:58
schestowitz She’s graceful. Lucky you! :-) Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ A good friend of mine. Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ Yeah, she’s awesome Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ Kevin lives in Vietnam. Jan 07 22:58
schestowitz How many Americans live there? Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ He was the first American I met there. Great guy and big Linux fan. Jan 07 22:58
tessier_ He is the main source of Linux advocacy in the whole country afaik Jan 07 22:59
tessier_ He and I tried to get a LUG and some other stuff going and still try to advocate Linux there. Jan 07 22:59
tessier_ Not sure how many. Not many. Jan 07 22:59
schestowitz So wait.. is this related to the Saigon blog? Jan 07 22:59
tessier_ Not at all unusual for me to go all day in downtown Saigon and not see another white person. Jan 07 22:59
tessier_ Which saigon blog? Jan 07 22:59
schestowitz The one I cite a lot Jan 07 23:00
schestowitz He’s a treacher Jan 07 23:00
schestowitz Rides a motorcycle to work and teaches the students BSD and PCLinuxOS, among other stuff. Jan 07 23:00
*r0ver has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jan 07 23:00
tessier_ http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?… Jan 07 23:02
tessier_ Yeah, that’s Kevin. Jan 07 23:02
tessier_ EVERYONE in Vietnam rides a motorbike. Jan 07 23:02
schestowitz “The only real LUG action in Vietnam that I am aware of is being conducted by my friend Kevin Miller who lives in Sai Gon and has a website here: http://www.saigonnezumi.com/ [saigonnezumi.com] It was through Vietlug that I met Kevin. “ Jan 07 23:03
schestowitz It’s a small world /after all/ Jan 07 23:03
tessier_ Yep. Jan 07 23:03
schestowitz I’ve linked to his blog like 50 times I reckon. Jan 07 23:03
schestowitz http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2009/01/0… Jan 07 23:04
tessier_ I have crazy videos of the traffic there. Thousands upon thousands of little motorbikes Jan 07 23:05
tessier_ From one end of the street to the other as far as the eye can see Jan 07 23:05
tessier_ And they all ride so closely together. Mere inches or less from you to the other guy. Jan 07 23:06
schestowitz I wonder what’s better for the environment: cars with a family and one big engine versus several motorbikes. Depends on how many people you fit it, I guess. Like buses without their capacity actually used.. Jan 07 23:07
tessier_ Public transportation is best. Modern cars second based. Ancient motorbikes in Saigon the absolute worst. Jan 07 23:12
MinceR gn Jan 07 23:27
twitter Very cool and insightful comments, tessier. Jan 07 23:56
twitter I knew there was still something useful at Slashdot. Jan 07 23:57
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