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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 2nd, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 11:54 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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PetoKraus apply some random function Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus MUSIC Mar 02 21:32
PetoKraus :D Mar 02 21:32
wispygalaxy haha XD Mar 02 21:33
PetoKraus though here it’d be constant 10°C Mar 02 21:33
schestowitz blazac: action against injustice: https://secure.pfaw.org/site/SPageS… Attacks on DOJ Nominees Signal Right’s Judicial Nominations Strategy < http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pa… > Mar 02 21:33
PetoKraus Mar 02 21:33
PetoKraus The upcoming version of xorg-server will have a lot of workarounds and patches removed. Doing so, the package becomes easier to understand, as even its maintainer has no idea what is happening anymore. When upgrading to xorg-server-1.6, you will see these file conflicts on most systems:” Mar 02 21:33
Balrog heh Mar 02 21:34
PetoKraus i’m glad i’m not the only one who thinks it’s a mess Mar 02 21:34
Balrog xorg was always a mess Mar 02 21:34
PetoKraus Arch is taking a tough stance now though Mar 02 21:34
trmanco never checked the source Mar 02 21:34
twitter It is amazing what companies who violate specs can do to hardware.  SATA was a mess for a long time, so is ACPI Mar 02 21:34
wispygalaxy hey twitter Mar 02 21:34
twitter hello Mar 02 21:34
PetoKraus chucked out ATI to Community repo from Extra Mar 02 21:34
PetoKraus it’s funny Mar 02 21:34
trmanco yeah, ACPI is still kinda a in a mess Mar 02 21:34
schestowitz More suggestions that Vista7 is sliding to 2010 release: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/of… Mar 02 21:34
schestowitz PetoKraus: watch Phoronic closely for news from AMD Mar 02 21:34
wispygalaxy haha roy Mar 02 21:35
trmanco of* Mar 02 21:35
schestowitz Michael speaks to them today Mar 02 21:35
PetoKraus schestowitz: i do, don’t worry Mar 02 21:35
wispygalaxy ms makes all these promises Mar 02 21:35
schestowitz *nix Mar 02 21:35
twitter I wonder if M$ will make it much longer Mar 02 21:35
PetoKraus but i think a  bit of pressure will do help Mar 02 21:35
wispygalaxy their stock is low today Mar 02 21:35
schestowitz twitter: they could just pull another ME Mar 02 21:35
Balrog schestowitz: borken link (maximumPC) Mar 02 21:35
schestowitz Actually, I hope they release it NOW Mar 02 21:35
schestowitz Let it bomb NOW Mar 02 21:35
Balrog heh ME :/ Mar 02 21:35
wispygalaxy i’m glad i never used ME Mar 02 21:35
schestowitz They won’t get a third chance Mar 02 21:35
Balrog I tested it out once Mar 02 21:35
trmanco Vista7, let me wait for 7,8 Mar 02 21:35
wispygalaxy yes release it half baked Mar 02 21:35
PetoKraus i mean, if they just chucked away the proprietary driver altogether and worked on the FOSS one internally Mar 02 21:35
Balrog horrible Mar 02 21:35
Balrog schestowitz: LINK? Mar 02 21:36
PetoKraus i used ME for quite a long Mar 02 21:36
PetoKraus actually Mar 02 21:36
wispygalaxy i can imagine balrog haha Mar 02 21:36
PetoKraus it wasn’t bad Mar 02 21:36
schestowitz Balrog: what on|? Mar 02 21:36
wispygalaxy we still have computers with win 2000 here Mar 02 21:36
Balrog PetoKraus: do a clean install then run all the windows updates Mar 02 21:36
Balrog the MaximumPC one, broken Mar 02 21:36
schestowitz Oh Mar 02 21:36
Balrog PetoKraus: then try using IE Mar 02 21:36
twitter There is little difference, good or bad, between any version of Windows. Mar 02 21:36
schestowitz http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/offic… Mar 02 21:36
Balrog heh Mar 02 21:36
Balrog early versions of NT worked ok Mar 02 21:36
Balrog but NT was ripped off to begin with Mar 02 21:37
twitter Windows 7 will be stillborn. Mar 02 21:37
wispygalaxy i had vista for about a month when i started college, then i heard about ubuntu Mar 02 21:37
schestowitz CNN said 2010 as though Microsoft confirmed VIsta7 has slipped Mar 02 21:37
wispygalaxy the rest is history Mar 02 21:37
twitter I had vista for all of 5 minutes Mar 02 21:37
wispygalaxy now im on debian Mar 02 21:37
PetoKraus Balrog: but i used it like 6 years ago on Pentium 166 Mar 02 21:37
Balrog I use OS X most of the time, various Linux most of the rest, and Windows on rare occasions Mar 02 21:37
twitter that was about as long as it took to boot in the store Mar 02 21:37
wispygalaxy it’s a mess, we can agree on that Mar 02 21:37
trmanco I had vista for 2 days Mar 02 21:37
schestowitz I saw Vista a few times.. from a distance. Mar 02 21:38
PetoKraus i mean, it was running smooth. I couldn’t get linux to run smooth on that, i was not skilled enough Mar 02 21:38
schestowitz I played about with the thing in the airport Mar 02 21:38
PetoKraus and i was playing games Mar 02 21:38
PetoKraus so… Mar 02 21:38
schestowitz XP in black Mar 02 21:38
wispygalaxy my friend installed SP1 last year, and it froze up her desktop everytime she logged in Mar 02 21:38
trmanco and I crashes vista a couple of times too during those 2 days Mar 02 21:38
schestowitz So many years, so little progress Mar 02 21:38
twitter I watched it brick a relative’s machine Mar 02 21:38
wispygalaxy when she clicked the desktop, it turned white and froze Mar 02 21:38
twitter he carefully followed all of the “support” advice Mar 02 21:38
wispygalaxy i think she got a new computer Mar 02 21:38
PetoKraus quite a lot it’s the preloaded rubbish in the OEM image Mar 02 21:38
Balrog “When development started in November 1989, Windows NT was to be known as OS/2 3.0,[2] the third version of the operating system developed jointly by Microsoft and IBM” Mar 02 21:38
Balrog –wikipedia Mar 02 21:39
PetoKraus which causes most truble Mar 02 21:39
wispygalaxy i told balrog that my friend wants linux mint now Mar 02 21:39
trmanco schestowitz, talking about airports, Lisbon’s airport is still running some version of 3.1 for those internet booths Mar 02 21:39
wispygalaxy he’s too afraid of vista Mar 02 21:39
Balrog he should try it Mar 02 21:39
trmanco mint looks refreshing Mar 02 21:39
PetoKraus i saw XP on a bank machine Mar 02 21:39
Balrog I like Fedora… Mar 02 21:39
PetoKraus rebooting Mar 02 21:39
twitter DRM is trouble for them Mar 02 21:39
PetoKraus it was like oh . Mar 02 21:39
Balrog (Fedora 10) Mar 02 21:39
Balrog DRM? Mar 02 21:40
schestowitz trmanco: securt^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hobscurity Mar 02 21:40
wispygalaxy mint is an attractive distro Mar 02 21:40
PetoKraus Balrog: my friend is running FC, i don’t know why :D Mar 02 21:40
twitter DRM pulls down vista performance Mar 02 21:40
Balrog drm sucks, but it’s not going away soon. Mar 02 21:40
PetoKraus twitter: not only DRM Mar 02 21:40
twitter it’s the preload to end all preloads Mar 02 21:40
Balrog probably a few years Mar 02 21:40
trmanco ha Mar 02 21:40
twitter there’s no DRM in my house Mar 02 21:40
PetoKraus yeah Mar 02 21:40
schestowitz FC has been gone since 2007, no? Mar 02 21:40
twitter for me, it’s already over Mar 02 21:40
trmanco another thing, is that all the banks here in portugal are running Windows Mar 02 21:40
PetoKraus schestowitz: alright, fedora Mar 02 21:41
PetoKraus whatever Mar 02 21:41
PetoKraus i didn’t even notice they dropped the ‘core’ Mar 02 21:41
trmanco at least on their websites, I think I wrote this here once Mar 02 21:41
wispygalaxy the Lowe’s (a hardware store) in my town has Red Hat and Firefox Mar 02 21:41
Balrog OS X is better with that as the DRM is limited to a few apps (iTunes, quicktime, DVD player) … the encryption of system apps is so weak idk if that can be called drm Mar 02 21:41
PetoKraus i fear RPM like devil fears the cross Mar 02 21:41
Balrog twitter: IF you have a (hardware box) DVD player, there’s DRM in your house Mar 02 21:41
twitter Lowe’s has saved a ton of money with GNU/Linux, did it way back in 2004 or so. Mar 02 21:41
wispygalaxy i’m still willing to try out RPM pk haha Mar 02 21:41
wispygalaxy yep it’s a clean store Mar 02 21:41
twitter Eh, don’t need the DVD player anymore Mar 02 21:42
Balrog use yum on fedora Mar 02 21:42
Balrog twitter: why? Mar 02 21:42
twitter use computers to play my movies Mar 02 21:42
Balrog VLC? Mar 02 21:42
schestowitz twitter: http://schestowitz.com/IMG/Bann… Mar 02 21:42
twitter VLC is good Mar 02 21:42
PetoKraus VLC eh Mar 02 21:42
wispygalaxy i have VLC :) Mar 02 21:42
twitter dvdbackup is good Mar 02 21:42
Balrog companies are afraid of litigation over libdvdcss Mar 02 21:42
wispygalaxy i use computers to watch TV, too, twitter Mar 02 21:42
wispygalaxy and movies Mar 02 21:42
trmanco mplayer Mar 02 21:42
PetoKraus VLC: http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/765 Mar 02 21:42
Balrog they all rely on libdvdcss … Mar 02 21:43
twitter they look better with a projector Mar 02 21:43
twitter work fine on a PIII Mar 02 21:43
wispygalaxy cool Mar 02 21:43
twitter Did RMS say that? Mar 02 21:43
PetoKraus what Mar 02 21:43
twitter “No DRM in my ####ing house” Mar 02 21:43
twitter ? Mar 02 21:44
PetoKraus :) Mar 02 21:44
twitter It would be better, “No fucking DRM in my house.” Mar 02 21:44
trmanco woW Mar 02 21:44
twitter Nothings wrong with my house. Mar 02 21:44
wispygalaxy haha Mar 02 21:44
Balrog now what about drm on stuff like iphone apps? Developers are already yelling that people are cracking it … and if I was one …..  idk Mar 02 21:44
trmanco not in mine either Mar 02 21:44
Balrog let Mar 02 21:45
Balrog let’ Mar 02 21:45
Balrog argh Mar 02 21:45
trmanco my router and desktop run linux Mar 02 21:45
twitter iphone would be nice with a free OS. Mar 02 21:45
twitter better to liberate all of it than a few apps Mar 02 21:45
trmanco iphone linux :-P Mar 02 21:45
Balrog I’m talking about the *apps* Mar 02 21:45
wispygalaxy i want the android phone Mar 02 21:45
Balrog there are always people who want to make a few bucks Mar 02 21:45
twitter there are always muggers and pimps Mar 02 21:45
wispygalaxy i never bought from the iTunes store Mar 02 21:45
Balrog I feel it’ Mar 02 21:46
trmanco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Inc… Mar 02 21:46
Balrog I feel it’s wrong to put muggers and pimps at the same level as honest independent developers Mar 02 21:46
Balrog * Mar 02 21:46
twitter hugs and kisses Balrog Mar 02 21:46
wispygalaxy yeah hah Mar 02 21:46
PetoKraus lol Mar 02 21:46
Balrog yeah, there are some that try to rip you off, but the app store has mostly small independent developers Mar 02 21:46
PetoKraus is that a joke? Mar 02 21:47
PetoKraus i hope it’s a joke Mar 02 21:47
wispygalaxy haha i see what you did there Mar 02 21:47
Balrog try to get official access to coding for Nintendo DS or Sony PSP … good luck Mar 02 21:47
twitter better to liberate the device so you don’t have to ask permission Mar 02 21:47
wispygalaxy good point Mar 02 21:48
Balrog certainly, but it’s also good to protect the rights of those who want to make a bit of money writing apps Mar 02 21:48
twitter they can make money writing free software too Mar 02 21:48
Balrog well how much are they making? on average, $3-$5 per app Mar 02 21:48
schestowitz twitter: he didn’t say that. Mar 02 21:49
Balrog Yeah, if they want to write free software, they should be able to Mar 02 21:50
twitter if the developer has to ask permission, they are not free Mar 02 21:50
twitter the company can nuke their work later Mar 02 21:50
Balrog (and they can, but try getting the app on your device without a certificate) Mar 02 21:50
Balrog They can store it in a repo Mar 02 21:50
Balrog only it won’t be signed, and the end-user will have to deal with that Mar 02 21:50
schestowitz http://www.tronshow.org/2009/e/01.html ” Looks like, another potential threat to the ms.Borg sent to the grave yard. Only unlike the real borg MS, don’t seem to be cabible of absorbing the new technology. Elsewhere, what devices, if any can you find TRON on outside of Japan. Joining the TRON consortium was so Microsoft. They get an inside view of what their competitors are up to and get to bend the rules in their favor.” Mar 02 21:50
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/20040601… Mar 02 21:51
Balrog (there are a few open-source app store apps) Mar 02 21:51
schestowitz http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.os… Mar 02 21:51
PetoKraus TPB day 10: jail’em! :D Mar 02 21:51
schestowitz “I figure Microsoft will do with TRON what they did with the OpenGL foundation. Join up, hanground until they extract enough information to duplicate TRON and then go their seperate ways. Offering a Windows only version Microsoft TRON. “ Mar 02 21:51
Balrog probably Mar 02 21:51
schestowitz ODF… Mar 02 21:52
schestowitz Maybe. Mar 02 21:52
schestowitz EEE Mar 02 21:52
schestowitz It’s actually EEEE with ODF Mar 02 21:52
twitter Games like this is why it is easier to help your neighbor and make a buck by writing for free software rather than popular gadgets. Mar 02 21:52
schestowitz Embrace, extend, extinguish, emit (because they want OOXML) Mar 02 21:52
wispygalaxy oh i see Mar 02 21:52
Balrog I’ll be back later Mar 02 21:53
wispygalaxy see ya Mar 02 21:53
schestowitz Brit nuke subs exposed on Google Earth < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/… > Mar 02 21:54
schestowitz China had them exposed to. Mar 02 21:54
PetoKraus “He continued saying that imprisonment is needed in order to stop TPB from operating, and said that a conviction will deter others from infringing copyright.” Mar 02 21:54
PetoKraus haha Mar 02 21:54
schestowitz *Too. Solution: domolish all those subs and the nukes too. Mar 02 21:54
PetoKraus i don’t think he does know much about psychology Mar 02 21:54
PetoKraus if they achieve one thing by jailing the guys behind TPB Mar 02 21:54
wispygalaxy interesting link roy Mar 02 21:54
schestowitz PetoKraus: they’ll promote other sites Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus yeah Mar 02 21:55
schestowitz Many of them will receive the audience. Mar 02 21:55
wispygalaxy i saw the interview with the guys from TPB Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus and i don’t want to see the backlash Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus i mean Mar 02 21:55
schestowitz it’s like Craigslist kicking out prostitution. Mar 02 21:55
schestowitz They just move on to other sites Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus then I’d start to feel sorry for the four guys who are suing TPB Mar 02 21:55
schestowitz Or Orkut with drugs Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus really sorry Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus you know Mar 02 21:55
schestowitz Mafia with Facebook and so on.. Mar 02 21:55
PetoKraus Anon Delivers… Mar 02 21:55
wispygalaxy yes lol Mar 02 21:55
wispygalaxy we will not forget Mar 02 21:56
schestowitz Maybe they should just killl this telephoninternet thingue Mar 02 21:56
schestowitz Cut people’s tongues too Mar 02 21:56
schestowitz They communicate too much Mar 02 21:56
schestowitz Dangerous stuff… Mar 02 21:56
wispygalaxy in the case of texting fanatics, cut off their thumbs Mar 02 21:56
wispygalaxy jk Mar 02 21:56
schestowitz If Swden ups its jurisdiction, then another country will offer room. Mar 02 21:57
schestowitz They serve links to *gasp* people’s HDD Mar 02 21:57
wispygalaxy uh oh Mar 02 21:57
schestowitz And they piss off a lot of people by attacking a site that simply got ‘too’ big Mar 02 21:58
schestowitz Easy target for litigation… Mar 02 21:58
wispygalaxy true Mar 02 21:58
schestowitz Criminals for sale: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/… Mar 02 21:58
wispygalaxy thx for the link Mar 02 21:59
wispygalaxy so roy, have any plans for spring break Mar 02 22:00
wispygalaxy i hope it doesn’t snow next week, when i have mine Mar 02 22:01
schestowitz Before Google became Google: The original setup at Stanford University http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/03/02/origi… Mar 02 22:08
schestowitz Ihave no spring break Mar 02 22:08
wispygalaxy you should take a vacation, it’s fun Mar 02 22:08
wispygalaxy i hate the cold weather here Mar 02 22:09
wispygalaxy i want to go to florida Mar 02 22:09
wispygalaxy haha @ the pics in the link Mar 02 22:09
schestowitz vacations are for escapism. Mar 02 22:11
trmanco http://backrub.c63.be/1997/index.htm Mar 02 22:11
trmanco haha, back to the 1997′s Mar 02 22:12
wispygalaxy lol haven’t seen that before Mar 02 22:13
wispygalaxy roy, what’s wrong with a little bit of escapism/fantasy :) Mar 02 22:13
trmanco vacations are nice Mar 02 22:14
trmanco everyone likes to have a little fun once in a while (I think) Mar 02 22:15
wispygalaxy i haven’t left the country since i went to niagara falls a couple of years ago Mar 02 22:15
wispygalaxy same here :) Mar 02 22:15
PetoKraus right Mar 02 22:16
PetoKraus new xorg on the way! Mar 02 22:16
wispygalaxy ok i have to go guys, it was nice talking to all of you! Mar 02 22:16
wispygalaxy i’ll be back soon Mar 02 22:16
trmanco ok bye Mar 02 22:16
PetoKraus see you Mar 02 22:16
schestowitz Cya Mar 02 22:16
PetoKraus http://www.archlinux.org/packages… Mar 02 22:17
PetoKraus massive update ^^ Mar 02 22:17
wispygalaxy see ya trmanco and pk! Mar 02 22:17
wispygalaxy bye bye roy xx Mar 02 22:17
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trmanco PetoKraus, using arch? tried that in a VM Mar 02 22:17
trmanco for some experiments of mine Mar 02 22:17
trmanco I like to play around with Pacman Mar 02 22:19
MinceR yeah, eat pills, dodge ghosts Mar 02 22:19
PetoKraus :) Mar 02 22:19
trmanco :-P Mar 02 22:20
schestowitz LOL “play around with Pacma” Mar 02 22:20
trmanco … install packages too Mar 02 22:20
schestowitz Like that part in That 70s show where he says, “you know what would be fun? Playing with a bunch of monkeys!” Mar 02 22:20
trmanco Uh! Mar 02 22:20
MinceR oh, the famous four words. Mar 02 22:22
PetoKraus oh, you meant monkeys, not monkeyboys Mar 02 22:22
MinceR :D Mar 02 22:22
trmanco well, time for me to go too, cya Mar 02 22:23
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schestowitz Does this work for you? http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7255/ Mar 02 22:26
schestowitz PetoKraus: Stweaty Works for Wisconsin? Mar 02 22:27
schestowitz trmanco: cya Mar 02 22:27
schestowitz http://electriciannotes.blogspot.co… Mar 02 22:30
schestowitz “Recently, I came across a rather misguided article from PCWorld. The headline is: “Ubuntu’s upcoming 9.04 release offers few new end-user features. Is Ubuntu losing the end-user focus that made it a smash-hit distro?”” http://www.threeblackdots.info/2009/03/01… Mar 02 22:31
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PetoKraus right, that’s me running Xserver 1.6.0 ;) Mar 02 22:38
schestowitz You’ll jinx it if you talk about it. Mar 02 22:41
schestowitz A lot of people read BN today. 2.5GB in the past 17 hrs. Mar 02 22:42
PetoKraus it’s working, so no jinx ;) Mar 02 22:49
schestowitz :-( http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/0… Mar 02 22:51
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schestowitz “Be carefull, GNOME Do is just another stupid Mono app financed by M$-Novell trying to parasite Linux” .” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… a few hours ago Mar 02 22:51
schestowitz Turns out to be false. I wasn’t sure about that. Mar 02 22:52
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schestowitz CIA destroyed nearly 100 interrogation videotapes  < http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CIA_INT… > Mar 02 22:54
schestowitz Will someone sued this CIA thingie? ;-)) Mar 02 22:55
MrMidland You see the Dow today Roy? Mar 02 22:55
schestowitz Yes, it’s quite something, ain’t it? Mar 02 22:55
schestowitz Novell is collapsing too Mar 02 22:55
schestowitz Its profits fell 36% in Thursday’s report Mar 02 22:55
MrMidland yeah, citigroup are in imminent danger to, as well as AIG Mar 02 22:55
MrMidland Citigroup down 20% Mar 02 22:56
MrMidland that’s the biggest banking group in the world btw Mar 02 22:56
schestowitz I want to show you something Mar 02 22:56
schestowitz Wait.. Mar 02 22:56
MrMidland at 1.2 from a 52 week high of 27!! Mar 02 22:56
schestowitz http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finan… Mar 02 22:56
schestowitz Chinese companies want to buy parts of AIG for nothing. Mar 02 22:56
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schestowitz AIG CEO on Record-Breaking Q4 Loss –  $61 billion in last Q. Mar 02 22:56
schestowitz twitter: MSFT at $15.7 Mar 02 22:57
MrMidland i am watching Mar 02 22:57
schestowitz Noell under $3 Mar 02 22:57
schestowitz *novell Mar 02 22:58
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MrMidland What is the end game? Mar 02 22:59
schestowitz I wish I knew Mar 02 23:00
schestowitz DOn’t bet on it though Mar 02 23:00
schestowitz There’s no safe bet, not even gold Mar 02 23:00
MrMidland GOld can be confiscated Mar 02 23:00
MrMidland I think something like that happened in the last great depression Mar 02 23:00
schestowitz So can bank accounts, in a way Mar 02 23:00
schestowitz Gold taken away? Mar 02 23:00
MrMidland and pensions Mar 02 23:01
MrMidland 401k’s Mar 02 23:01
MrMidland houses Mar 02 23:01
MrMidland Brown was seeing Obama today Mar 02 23:02
schestowitz What for? Mar 02 23:02
MrMidland no doubt to propose a synchronised ‘Global’ solution Mar 02 23:02
schestowitz Obama is a sybolic figure. Mar 02 23:02
schestowitz Like the queen… Mar 02 23:02
schestowitz He doesn’t have qualifications in ecnomics Mar 02 23:03
MrMidland neither do the bankers Mar 02 23:03
schestowitz I trust professors more than I trust businesspeople Mar 02 23:03
schestowitz But they have less influence, so… Mar 02 23:03
MrMidland another friend lost his job last week Mar 02 23:03
schestowitz They also have stocks Mar 02 23:04
schestowitz So there’s bias instilled Mar 02 23:04
schestowitz Here’s a good video:   Mar 02 23:04
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA… Mar 02 23:04
MrMidland Inflation is set to go through the roof, imports expensive, trillions being thrown at markets in vain to reinflate the bubble Mar 02 23:05
-tomaw-[Global Notice] Hi all. A couple of our hubs lost connectivity for a minute or so there resulting in a rather large and noising split. We have worked around the issue for now and are hopeful things will now settle down. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for using freenode! Mar 02 23:06
MrMidland Here’s a good one for you ROy: Mar 02 23:06
MrMidland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2V50AS7K0 Mar 02 23:06
MrMidland go to 1 min Mar 02 23:07
schestowitz On the likes of Brown.. http://www.youtube.com/watch… Mar 02 23:07
schestowitz He’s all right Mar 02 23:07
schestowitz I like what I’ve seen of Paul. Mar 02 23:07
MrMidland watch this ROy 1 minute in it gets interesting Mar 02 23:07
MrMidland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2V50AS7K0 Mar 02 23:07
schestowitz Bill O’Reilly and the Bush gang attacked him. Mar 02 23:07
MrMidland yes i have watched a lot of his stuff Mar 02 23:08
MrMidland he was mocked when he predicted this years ago Mar 02 23:08
schestowitz SO spending more won’t solve it?? ;-) ;-) Mar 02 23:09
schestowitz But it works in Hollywood… Mar 02 23:09
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schestowitz Hey, Goblin Mar 02 23:10
Goblin hi! Mar 02 23:10
Goblin Before I start….. Mar 02 23:10
schestowitz We were just talking about Brownbama Mar 02 23:11
Goblin is Net Applications related in anyway with MS? Mar 02 23:11
schestowitz yes Mar 02 23:11
schestowitz Wait.. Mar 02 23:11
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06… Mar 02 23:12
Goblin good.. Mar 02 23:12
Goblin Ill check the link Mar 02 23:12
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/04/… Mar 02 23:12
schestowitz Attack the shills Mar 02 23:12
Goblin just disputing some “facts” linked on twitter. Mar 02 23:12
schestowitz It’s time to bury the “lies, damn lies, and Net Applications” Mar 02 23:12
Goblin Thanks Roy.  I just wanted to confirm with you before I started my counter post! Mar 02 23:14
schestowitz They should be pressured to come clean Mar 02 23:14
schestowitz Methods, data, etc. Mar 02 23:14
schestowitz Not some “magic numbers” Mar 02 23:15
Goblin Roy, are you interested in a link to all the MS MVP’s currently twittering at the MVP09 conference? Mar 02 23:15
schestowitz BN says half the people use Linux this month. So? Mar 02 23:15
schestowitz Goblin: no, thanks. Mar 02 23:15
Goblin np….I found it interesting… Mar 02 23:16
schestowitz Let them fantasize. Mar 02 23:17
schestowitz Linux grows regardless of ‘figures’ Mar 02 23:18
schestowitz Which Microsoft sponsors in a way Mar 02 23:18
schestowitz Just because you hide the growth of something doesn’t mean it will go away… but… they intend to discourage migrations to GNU/Linux with one-liners like “Linux is less than 1%” Mar 02 23:18
schestowitz They also ignore the broad market. Like Apple, they pretend that only desktops exist. Mar 02 23:19
Goblin I think Firefox is the starting point for many people to discover Linux…I think the realization that something without the MS logo can be better…… Mar 02 23:21
MrMidland Last one Roy….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9… Mar 02 23:21
Goblin is what starts them on a FOSS road. Mar 02 23:21
schestowitz Thanks. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/20… Mar 02 23:25
schestowitz MrMidland: finally one who’s not a quack. Mar 02 23:26
schestowitz “stimulus will save us!!111″ Trust the Change.. the change! Mar 02 23:27
schestowitz 13% unemployment in the US… Mar 02 23:28
schestowitz He thinks it will be worse than the Great Depression Mar 02 23:29
schestowitz He calls it “Greatest Depression” Mar 02 23:29
schestowitz They lean on Obama… Mar 02 23:31
balzac that’s scary as hell Mar 02 23:31
schestowitz That’s a decent video. Realistic rather than filled with “change” BS.. Mar 02 23:31
balzac it better not be worse than the Great Depression Mar 02 23:31
MinceR gn Mar 02 23:31
schestowitz balzac: hopefully not Mar 02 23:31
balzac later MinceR Mar 02 23:31
schestowitz But you don’t control it Mar 02 23:31
balzac well, we have different technology nowadays Mar 02 23:32
Balrog hello I’m back Mar 02 23:32
balzac things could be like halflife Mar 02 23:32
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Balrog http://hardware.slashdot.org/article… Mar 02 23:35
Balrog “Amiga Community Collaborates On Restorative Gel To Brighten Your Old Plastic” Mar 02 23:35
Balrog – may be useful Mar 02 23:35
schestowitz Balrog: no, not HL :-) Mar 02 23:36
Balrog ? Mar 02 23:36
schestowitz Maybe there will be a boom (as in baby boom) some day in the future, who the heck knows? Mar 02 23:36
Balrog heh Mar 02 23:36
schestowitz HL=hald life Mar 02 23:36
schestowitz Balrog: Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n… for context Mar 02 23:37
Balrog I’m not talking about HL… Mar 02 23:37
schestowitz balzac mentioned it just before you returned Mar 02 23:38
Balrog yeah I saw Mar 02 23:38
Balrog (i use irssi running on a server of mine) Mar 02 23:39
schestowitz http://digg.com/world_news/Worst_econo… “The nation is being stolen from us not with guns, but with financial schemes.. $Trillion dollar “rescue plan” extortion and “stimul-us” swindles. Massive, out of control taxation without representation (theft) and Robbery with no end in sight. They’ve only just begun to get started. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!” Mar 02 23:41
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schestowitz Here’s the way to look at it: an individual can do nothing to prevent what’s been bubbling for decades for people to cope with (excess). _All_ people… Mar 02 23:42
hicham_ hi all Mar 02 23:42
MrMidland Gold is nearing $1000 per ounce thats up from $250 per ounce in 2001 Mar 02 23:42
schestowitz Hey there, what’s up? Mar 02 23:42
Balrog history repeats itself. Mar 02 23:43
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schestowitz MrMidland: good for jewelers who liquidate maybe Mar 02 23:43
MrMidland you cannot re-inflate the bubble, there is no free lunch, we will all have to pay… Mar 02 23:43
MrMidland lol Mar 02 23:44
hicham_ can i ask u to explain more the reality of the deals between novell and microsoft? Mar 02 23:44
Balrog schestowitz: intel is outsourcing atom chip fabrication to TSMC Mar 02 23:47
schestowitz MrMidland: the question is, when? Mar 02 23:48
schestowitz People love to leave problems deferred.. until later. Thus people end up with a debt of GBP33k per head. Mar 02 23:49
schestowitz Balrog: don’t they already produce all their chips in south east Asia? Mar 02 23:49
balzac hicham_: Microsoft is using Novell as a “trojan horse” to subvert software freedom. Mar 02 23:49
schestowitz hicham_: what do you already know about it? Mar 02 23:50
hicham_ i just seen the website boycottnovell.com Mar 02 23:50
schestowitz balzac: and Novell gets a penny for doing this. Mar 02 23:50
Balrog probably, but yet another company… Mar 02 23:50
schestowitz Well, Novell gets a penny, Hovsepian gets $6 million in one year. And SUSE devs get firred Mar 02 23:50
Balrog Read about Moonlight and Mono…and the criticism it’s receiving over patents Mar 02 23:51
Balrog they’re * Mar 02 23:51
hicham_ i immediately wiped the mono packages from my system Mar 02 23:51
schestowitz “Intellectual property is the next software.” — Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft patent troll Mar 02 23:51
schestowitz “.NET is the next Linux” –Novell de Icaza Mar 02 23:51
hicham_ i dont see the point in developing dotnet apps in Linux Mar 02 23:52
Balrog or writing new .NET code for any platform Mar 02 23:52
schestowitz OK, here’s a real quote: “At Microsoft I learned the truth about ActiveX and COM and I got very interested in it inmediately [sic].” –Miguel de Icaza Mar 02 23:52
Balrog there are better ways to do things. Mar 02 23:52
hicham_ COM is one of the most controversed technologies inside microsoft Mar 02 23:53
hicham_ microsoft itself just do a lot of hacks to make things work with com Mar 02 23:53
schestowitz But that’s what he knows Mar 02 23:54
schestowitz His background when he was in Mexico Mar 02 23:54
schestowitz He wrote this a long time ago, probably not so long after he had gone to Microsoft for a job interview Mar 02 23:54
Balrog didn’t de Icaza kickstart GNOME? Mar 02 23:54
schestowitz In a way, he eventually got the job. He’s a VP in mini-Microsoft now (Novell Inc.) Mar 02 23:55
schestowitz Balrog: he did. Mar 02 23:55
MrMidland I gotta shoot Roy, i’ll check in tomorrow evening, keep your eye on the markets, a new financial epoch awaits us! Mar 02 23:55
Balrog so use KDE then? Mar 02 23:56
balzac de Icaza stunk up Gnome Mar 02 23:56
schestowitz MrMidland: cya later Mar 02 23:56
schestowitz Balrog: not necessarily Mar 02 23:57
schestowitz There are many other desktops and GNOME can be emptied from Mono Mar 02 23:57
hicham_ Gnome is Redhat powered Mar 02 23:57
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schestowitz GNOME is getting harder to disinfect though Mar 02 23:57
schestowitz OpenSUSE is the hardest to wash Mono out of. Mar 02 23:57
Balrog in any case, KDE4.2 is much better than previous versions. Mar 02 23:57
Balrog appears to be better than gnome Mar 02 23:58
hicham_ i tried to disinfect gnome from evolution libs, but it is tied very hard Mar 02 23:58
schestowitz And with Moonlight they’ll try to infect all birds with… well, one StoneShine. Mar 02 23:58
Balrog :( Mar 02 23:58
Balrog well Moonlight 1.0 is rather simple Mar 02 23:58
Balrog just a library Mar 02 23:58
schestowitz Balrog: KDE is pretty stubborn on no-mono Mar 02 23:58
schestowitz I see it in the mailing list Mar 02 23:58
Balrog Moonlight 2.0 is more nasty … requires mono :( Mar 02 23:58
hicham_ moonlight is simple, since they implemented .Net Mar 02 23:59
schestowitz Xfce and others seem uninterested in GNOME, but I didn’t see any public stance made against it Mar 02 23:59
Balrog but all the content I care about is Moonlight 2.0-tyle Mar 02 23:59
Balrog type * Mar 02 23:59
schestowitz hicham_: yes, EEE Mar 02 23:59
Balrog yeah, they did implement .NET Mar 02 23:59
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