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| MinceR | and that's why apple must die. | Mar 07 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | And in a weak economy, forget about it... Office is now becoming free+ads (ads model) | Mar 07 13:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple can't patent-troll | Mar 07 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Technicallty speaking | Mar 07 13:50 |
| MinceR | well, they do patent FUD all the time | Mar 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Because they don't buy patents, they write stuff up based on ideas or code | Mar 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Call it patent aggressor | Mar 07 13:51 |
| MinceR | they act like they've invented everything while in reality they steal everything from others | Mar 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | People who chose lawyers over engineers | Mar 07 13:51 |
| MinceR | i'll call them assholes who deserve to die. | Mar 07 13:51 |
| MinceR | also, if it weren't for apple, the gnome HIG might actually make sense | Mar 07 13:52 |
| MinceR | and i wouldn't have to deal with randomly scrambled dialog boxes and hidden options | Mar 07 13:52 |
| MinceR | and i wouldn't have to click "Continue without Saving" when what i really mean is "Quit without saving" | Mar 07 13:52 |
| MinceR | btw, usian politicians are still idiots: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?si... | Mar 07 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Apple has over there time invented lots of things. | Mar 07 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Most of Microsoft invents are to fix there own oversites. | Mar 07 13:54 |
| MinceR | well, they didn't invent the things they most loudly keep claiming ownership of | Mar 07 13:56 |
| MinceR | consider their patent FUD against Palm, for example | Mar 07 13:56 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy... | Mar 07 13:57 |
| MinceR | they didn't even plan to go court, they just tried to harm their competitor with lies. | Mar 07 13:57 |
| schestowitz | And you can't say how old the Grand Canyon really is. It might offend people. | Mar 07 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Apple did invent some of the tech Palm has used. | Mar 07 13:57 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it was created last Thursday, just like the rest of the world. :> | Mar 07 13:57 |
| schestowitz | 'Invest'? | Mar 07 13:57 |
| schestowitz | "Invent"? | Mar 07 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Create | Mar 07 13:57 |
| MinceR | which one? | Mar 07 13:57 |
| MinceR | also, let's not forget that palm invented a few things crApple used | Mar 07 13:58 |
| MinceR | they seemed to be somewhat quiet about those things | Mar 07 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Font rendering to start off with is apples. | Mar 07 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Apple did have the right to give palm notice just like palm has the right to give Apple notice over its patents. | Mar 07 13:59 |
| oiaohm | There are cases where its normally for two companies to be aggressively threaten each other before deciding that rules of MAD have to be followed. | Mar 07 14:00 |
| MinceR | and we all know the official way to do so is openly telling half-lies to the press. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| MinceR | just keep defending crApple if it makes you feel better. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Patent law is a prick. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| Omar871 | Seriously guys, I find it even a dirtier tactic that a company throws its fans in hallucinative dreams just in order to cover its wounds and try to appear like a hero in front of 'em. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so is apple. | Mar 07 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Its patent law. | Mar 07 14:02 |
| oiaohm | If you say that you are using there patents and they are using yours. You defence can be stuffed. | Mar 07 14:02 |
| MinceR | so, next excuse coming up: 'DURRRR HURRRRRRR they're businesses and businesses are allowed to do anything!' | Mar 07 14:02 |
| oiaohm | So purely you give notice they give notice to you and that is how it goes. | Mar 07 14:02 |
| oiaohm | They both decides on that its MAD to do anything. | Mar 07 14:02 |
| MinceR | you do realize "notice" is normally done via mail, right? | Mar 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie Muturally assured destruction. | Mar 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Normally to be legally solid it has to be done publicly MinceR | Mar 07 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: yes, that's Microsoft | Mar 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes the annoying requirements of Patent law. | Mar 07 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Commit crime, pay for PR | Mar 07 14:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes, an agreement between companies must be done publicly. what was i thinking? | Mar 07 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Even the notice | Mar 07 14:04 |
| schestowitz | They also used association with KIDS | Mar 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | it's not like they keep secrets about their agreements normally | Mar 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Mar 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | they do!\ | Mar 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Mar 07 14:04 |
| oiaohm | As per normal press see notice and goes overboard. | Mar 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: crApple and m$ alike do that | Mar 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and this isn't the first time we see apple (or jobs, for that matter) tell lies, either | Mar 07 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Note MAD agreement is not a formal agreement between the companies. | Mar 07 14:05 |
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| oiaohm | MAD agreement is basically formed by both companies threating each other then not going deeper into legal enforcement. | Mar 07 14:06 |
| oiaohm | It allows that the patents you have have still be enforced. | Mar 07 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Stupidlity of patent law. | Mar 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Only thing you have to do to keep you patents not nuked is threat to use them on people useing them. | Mar 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | If you don't enforce your patents they can be argued as public domain. | Mar 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes stupidity of patent law MinceR | Mar 07 14:08 |
| oiaohm | It directly promotes companies threatening each other. | Mar 07 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Monopolies too | Mar 07 14:09 |
| schestowitz | With legal depts | Mar 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Patent law directly promotes lots of thing people class as bad behaviour. | Mar 07 14:10 |
| MinceR | so, does patent law directly promote campaigning for sw patent laws in other countries too? | Mar 07 14:12 |
| MinceR | like apple and microsoft backed BSA in doing? | Mar 07 14:12 |
| MinceR | so they might threaten more companies because the poor things are forced to by evil, nasty patent law they didn't want? :> | Mar 07 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Apple and Microsoft and a lot of other companues backing software patents see it as a way to save themselves from being taken under by open source. | Mar 07 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie a way to still make money after closed source software is gone. | Mar 07 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Some things are basic trying to stay alive as well MinceR | Mar 07 14:15 |
| MinceR | so the way they can save themselves is by destroying FLOSS | Mar 07 14:15 |
| MinceR | but that doesn't seem to stop them from cashing in on it first | Mar 07 14:15 |
| MinceR | yes, that's what i call ethical behavoir. | Mar 07 14:15 |
| MinceR | s/oi/io/ | Mar 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Destroying no. | Mar 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Controlling yes. | Mar 07 14:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: apparently the way they see it, it's either us or them. | Mar 07 14:16 |
| MinceR | well, i've made my choice. | Mar 07 14:16 |
| MinceR | whose side are you on? | Mar 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | I see it as foolishness | Mar 07 14:16 |
| MinceR | if they control it, it isn't FLOSS anymore | Mar 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Software patents are more risky to them. | Mar 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Than to FLOSS | Mar 07 14:16 |
| MinceR | nobody will create sw to distribute libre if they're instantly taken over by a patent bully the moment they give it to someone else. | Mar 07 14:17 |
| MinceR | or worse, just sued into bankruptcy in that moment | Mar 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Same can apply to a closed source software maker. | Mar 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem they have overlooked. | Mar 07 14:17 |
| MinceR | well, sw patents also make small sw companies impossible | Mar 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Patent Trolls could grined the complete software industry to a stand still. | Mar 07 14:18 |
| MinceR | apple and m$ use all means (including the most unethical ways -- ones they seem to prefer) they can to eliminate competition | Mar 07 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Note trolls with no interest in helping anyone. | Mar 07 14:18 |
| MinceR | microsoft has some patent trolls in their pocket | Mar 07 14:18 |
| MinceR | they're coming out of the woodwork now. | Mar 07 14:18 |
| oiaohm | So do a lot of companies MinceR | Mar 07 14:18 |
| MinceR | oh, and that makes it all right | Mar 07 14:18 |
| MinceR | "equally evil", right? | Mar 07 14:19 |
| MinceR | (except that it's far from equal) | Mar 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | What is the long term effects. | Mar 07 14:19 |
| MinceR | the long term effect is that either m$ and crApple die | Mar 07 14:19 |
| MinceR | or the rest of the industry does. | Mar 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | No | Mar 07 14:19 |
| MinceR | but at least with the products of the rest of the industry, i can actually do some work | Mar 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Either M$ or Apple and anyone else backing software patents. Or everyone dies. | Mar 07 14:20 |
| oiaohm | No speciall acceptions here. | Mar 07 14:20 |
| MinceR | even then, it's obvious who should die | Mar 07 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Trolls who independant to Apple and MS are currently fighting to block patent reform. | Mar 07 14:21 |
| oiaohm | They don't want to lose there cash stream. | Mar 07 14:21 |
| oiaohm | There is a lot more evil in the patent game than Apple and MS. | Mar 07 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Part of the problem is staying alive. | Mar 07 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft started the stupid idea that software patents would save them from 0 prices software. | Mar 07 14:22 |
| MinceR | a lot of that evil is backed by m$ | Mar 07 14:22 |
| MinceR | probably exactly like SCO is. | Mar 07 14:22 |
| oiaohm | SCO is a Novell setup. | Mar 07 14:23 |
| MinceR | iirc they were paid by m$ so they could keep suing even when they ran out of money. | Mar 07 14:23 |
| MinceR | but anyway, m$ and novell are the same thing | Mar 07 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Here you go from Novell all the rights to Unix we can transfer. Forgetting to tell SCO they key ones they cannot transfer because they lost the right to in the BSD case. | Mar 07 14:23 |
| oiaohm | SCO fell for it hook line and sinker. | Mar 07 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Compared to Novell. Apple is angellic. | Mar 07 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and Novell deserve each other. | Mar 07 14:27 |
| trmanco | UAC Whitelist Hole In Windows 7: https://slashdot.org/article... | Mar 07 14:28 |
| PetoKraus | ^^ | Mar 07 14:28 |
| PetoKraus | oh god, this VNC delay is killing me | Mar 07 14:28 |
| PetoKraus | trmanco: nice one | Mar 07 14:29 |
| trmanco | thank the /. AIM bot :-P | Mar 07 14:29 |
| oiaohm | There are many holes in UAC | Mar 07 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Simplest of all is services | Mar 07 14:31 |
| oiaohm | With SCO Novell plan was simple. If SCO could extract money they could step in and take it and kill one of there compettors. If SCO could not make money from it. Still step in and kill one of there competitors. | Mar 07 14:33 |
| oiaohm | With SCO Novell had nothing to lose and everything to gain. | Mar 07 14:33 |
| PetoKraus | /. aim bot? | Mar 07 14:34 |
| PetoKraus | well yeah i guess | Mar 07 14:35 |
| oiaohm | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/04/msi-w... Hmm instant on race is kinda starting up. | Mar 07 14:37 |
| MinceR | compared to novell, apple is the same crap. | Mar 07 14:43 |
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| MinceR | 153652 < trmanco> thank the /. AIM bot :-P | Mar 07 14:43 |
| MinceR | aimbot? :> | Mar 07 14:43 |
| benJIman | schestowitz: openSUSE has never had a fixed 6 month release cycle. In fact most releases have been longer. | Mar 07 14:45 |
| benJIman | I can think of only 2 releases that had a 6 month or shorter cycle. | Mar 07 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: "As a six-month release schedule is not something we consider feasible to maintain high-quality standards, we are proposing a fixed eight-month schedule" | Mar 07 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Some were 6 months apaer | Mar 07 14:52 |
| schestowitz | *apart | Mar 07 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Match 2008: 11.0 | Mar 07 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Even later | Mar 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Then one in Xmas | Mar 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | 11.1 | Mar 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | So around 6 months | Mar 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | 10.3: Oct 2007. | Mar 07 14:53 |
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| trmanco | MinceR, yes Slashdotomatic | Mar 07 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Felony Charge For Craigslist Prank < http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ar... > "A similar Craigslist prank has triggered a criminal probe of a Texas man who allegedly posed as a female acquaintance and posted a Valentine's Day ad offering sexual favors. " | Mar 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | They go after the real criminals, don't they? Why aren't they cracking down on the Big Crime, which is run from places like Redmond? | Mar 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Pranks and pot keep policemen busy while Microsoft bribes and fuels companies to sue a rival for a billion dollars | Mar 07 15:22 |
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| [H]omer | Hello folks | Mar 07 15:38 |
| [H]omer | What's new? | Mar 07 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is SCO2 | Mar 07 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Just like PJ had surmised | Mar 07 15:40 |
| [H]omer | Well that's not surprising :) | Mar 07 15:40 |
| schestowitz | You know the next stage. | Mar 07 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Chapter Ballmer | Mar 07 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Apple might be SCO3 | Mar 07 15:41 |
| [H]omer | Stalker Smith will be wiping the egg off his face, right about now ("Microsoft only patent's defensively") | Mar 07 15:42 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 07 15:42 |
| schestowitz | >"egg off his face" | Mar 07 15:43 |
| schestowitz | He has a boyfriend? | Mar 07 15:43 |
| [H]omer | What do you know about setting up SSL certs Roy? | Mar 07 15:43 |
| [H]omer | I'm trying to set up something here | Mar 07 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Not much, never set that up. I use cpanel | Mar 07 15:43 |
| [H]omer | hmm | Mar 07 15:43 |
| [H]omer | This is a pain | Mar 07 15:43 |
| benJIman | schestowitz: Because 6 months was one of the proposals, not because that was what was used before. | Mar 07 15:43 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: The separation increases | Mar 07 15:44 |
| benJIman | As I said there were two that were approximately 6 months but that was just a coincidence, it varies between 5 and 10 months. | Mar 07 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Recent releases? | Mar 07 15:44 |
| benJIman | Yeah. | Mar 07 15:44 |
| schestowitz | [H]omer: take snit's advise and find a "user-friendly" Apple-like G00ui | Mar 07 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Decline and Fall of Robert Scoble < http://valleywag.gawker.com/5165644/the-dec... >. Good riddance. | Mar 07 16:02 |
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| trmanco | loool | Mar 07 16:16 |
| trmanco | he is one twitter | Mar 07 16:16 |
| trmanco | on | Mar 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Someone says: "This account has started suddenly after 5 years of inactivity.http://slashdot.org/~gearheadsmp/comments I wonder what its about." | Mar 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | "That's the first one in months and only the second in 5 years. Revived accounts are ..." | Mar 07 16:18 |
| MinceR | lol @ mentioning apple and user-friendly on the same day | Mar 07 16:38 |
| trmanco | has anybody ever heard em php-gtk? :-P | Mar 07 17:14 |
| trmanco | sounds very promising | Mar 07 17:14 |
| MinceR | except for the php part? :> | Mar 07 17:15 |
| trmanco | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/... | Mar 07 17:26 |
| trmanco | that is the best part | Mar 07 17:26 |
| trmanco | http://gtk.php.net/ | Mar 07 17:26 |
| trmanco | it still a side project of PHP | Mar 07 17:26 |
| trmanco | it's* | Mar 07 17:26 |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.zdnet.com/s... | Mar 07 17:28 |
| neighborlee | Please be aware that Boycott Novell is written by either a troll or an idiot. I'm not sure which yet, though Hanlon's Razor makes the decision for me < nice guy , isnt he ;) | Mar 07 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Hey, neighborlee | Mar 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Took you a long time to return. Did you try to remove Mono from SLED? ;-) | Mar 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Difficulty level: higher than LFS on BlueGene | Mar 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: URL? | Mar 07 17:33 |
| neighborlee | pasting | Mar 07 17:35 |
| neighborlee | sorry as on phine | Mar 07 17:35 |
| neighborlee | one | Mar 07 17:35 |
| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.ph... | Mar 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: you should not use TomTom to defend your contention that Mono is poison because: 1) Microsoft is suing over use of Linux; 2) It implants de facto standards like FAT, makes a promise not to sue, and then sued anyway (causing problems due to dependency at a low level, thus hard to remove) | Mar 07 17:35 |
| neighborlee | ive been very busy lately so I hadn't been fllowing latest mono stuff | Mar 07 17:35 |
| trmanco | http://xkcd.com/528/ | Mar 07 17:36 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: tomtom ? | Mar 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, that's the core of the new argument, which blasts the Mono lovers | Mar 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, catch up with the news. I'll get you links | Mar 07 17:36 |
| neighborlee | if you mean tomboy | Mar 07 17:36 |
| neighborlee | tomboy is poison becuse gnome is using it | Mar 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | http://discuss.itwire.com/viewt... | Mar 07 17:37 |
| neighborlee | ok, ye smaybe im very out of date LOL | Mar 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | No, tomtom, not tomboy | Mar 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 07 17:37 |
| neighborlee | WEIRD | Mar 07 17:37 |
| neighborlee | ok | Mar 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I've got to go now. bbl | Mar 07 17:40 |
| neighborlee | ok have fun,I ll look into tomtom np at all | Mar 07 17:40 |
| neighborlee | take care | Mar 07 17:41 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: ok np,,I responded to his pure vitriol by posting that link you gave me; eyes wide open ;)) | Mar 07 17:53 |
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| PetoKraus | hello guys | Mar 07 18:53 |
| Balrog | hello | Mar 07 19:27 |
| Balrog | be right back.. need to reboot | Mar 07 19:27 |
| Balrog | but tomtom vs. ms is real and clearly shows what MS wants. | Mar 07 19:28 |
| Balrog | and the mainstream linux sites are starting to realize this | Mar 07 19:29 |
| Balrog | ok I'm around now | Mar 07 19:38 |
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| amarsh04 | hi Balrog | Mar 07 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: I'm not entirely sure that's the only intention. it's multi-facted | Mar 07 20:19 |
| schestowitz | *faceted | Mar 07 20:19 |
| schestowitz | And as SCO shows, one of those 'facets' when you sue a rival is that customers ditch you and you're toast. | Mar 07 20:19 |
| Balrog | certainly | Mar 07 20:59 |
| trmanco | KDE 4 beauty -> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.co... | Mar 07 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Nice. I love his work. | Mar 07 21:04 |
| *schestowitz pinheiro's artwork installed on KDE 3.5 at home and work | Mar 07 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | http://dot.kde.org/2009/03/05... (KOffice 2.0 Beta 7 Released) | Mar 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | No signs of Mono or C# in this digest of patches. http://commit-digest.org/iss... | Mar 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | "The researchers found three pieces of evidence that showed people, on what is now the northern steppes of the country of Kazakhstan, were riding and milking horses about 5,500 years ago, over one thousand years earlier than previously thought by scientists." http://www.itwire.com/content/... | Mar 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Excellent analysis from OSI on Microsoft's latest patent plot. < http://opensource.org/node/399 > | Mar 07 21:13 |
| schestowitz | How long will Americans wait for economic change? < http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ECONO... > | Mar 07 21:15 |
| trmanco | the latest fiasco in Portugal -> A computer program called Gcompris has syntactical and grammatical errors, and journalists are making a lot noise without hearing what both sides have to say about this | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I heard about it. | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Where it the fiasco? | Mar 07 21:15 |
| trmanco | they are also making up a false story stating that the person who translated the program had only 4 years of school | Mar 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | You mean like those people who made storage work on paper? | Mar 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | (Fraud) | Mar 07 21:16 |
| trmanco | and the person who translated the program has a PhD in philosophy and something related to computers | Mar 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Found it: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... | Mar 07 21:17 |
| trmanco | this was discovered by a "retired" politician, just to defend his interests | Mar 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | "Vole said that it will not be fixing a critical Excel vulnerability, which allows attackers to launch malicious code remotely on users' computers via an infected Excel spreadsheet file." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... | Mar 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Politicians these days are lawyers. They monopolised it | Mar 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I've gotten some E-mails this afternoon about monopoly abuse and SAP | Mar 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Not only Microsoft is dying with the 'licensing' mode | Mar 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "I’ll be giving the final morning keynote at OSBC, the Open Source Business Conference, in San Francisco on March 25. The title of my talk will be “Open Source, Linux, and a Smarter Planet”." http://www.sutor.com/newsite/bl... << Microsoft will poison this event also | Mar 07 21:20 |
| trmanco | microsoft started dead from the beginning | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Not quite | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | It corrupted the law though | Mar 07 21:21 |
| trmanco | they didn't even create DOS from scratch | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Billy's mom got a contrat with the monopoliser (IBM) | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And Billy's dad was busy with his buddies changing laws and stuff. | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Letter to lobbyists | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Losses of $18 billion in 199 | Mar 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | 1889 | Mar 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | 1998 | Mar 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | And the pyramid scheme had only just begun. | Mar 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Mythology for the ages speaks about a knight on a white MS horse "Bringing Computers to the Masses" | Mar 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | What's that Greek name of the man who killed his dad so that he can sleep with his mother? | Mar 07 21:23 |
| trmanco | no idea, I hate philosophy | Mar 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I found it: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~l... | Mar 07 21:25 |
| trmanco | I associate the greeks to philosophy, so... | Mar 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Oedipus | Mar 07 21:25 |
| trmanco | ua | Mar 07 21:25 |
| trmanco | weird name as always | Mar 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | All the Week links redirect me to FP of week europe or something. What happens when you click this? http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Virtualization/Microsof... | Mar 07 21:29 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I see you got a boost in followers | Mar 07 21:29 |
| Balrog | well now it's much more obvious what MS is trying to do | Mar 07 21:30 |
| trmanco | at least 3 of them are portuguese :-P on from Brazil :-P | Mar 07 21:30 |
| trmanco | one* | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | IBM's Vice President of Linux links to Bn :-) | Mar 07 21:30 |
| Balrog | show me | Mar 07 21:31 |
| Balrog | (link | Mar 07 21:31 |
| Balrog | ) | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: does the link work for you? | Mar 07 21:31 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, what link? | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: some news picks. Also see the blogroll of Weir. | Mar 07 21:31 |
| trmanco | the Greek one? | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: the eweek one | Mar 07 21:32 |
| trmanco | oh | Mar 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | For several days it has been redirecting | Mar 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I enabled JS too, to no avail. | Mar 07 21:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, "Can Virtualization Make Red Hat Linux Desktop Pay?" | Mar 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I'll purge cookies | Mar 07 21:32 |
| Balrog | that's what I get | Mar 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | It redirects me even in Konqy | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | TO http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/ | Mar 07 21:34 |
| Balrog | doesn't happen here. | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe localisation gone wrong | Mar 07 21:34 |
| Balrog | something with your IP address? | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 07 21:34 |
| Balrog | :/ | Mar 07 21:34 |
| trmanco | Mininova Hit By Massive DDoS Attack http://torrentfreak.com/minino... Windows botnets? | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Since about 3 days ago | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Ballmer Youth | Mar 07 21:35 |
| trmanco | youth? | Mar 07 21:35 |
| trmanco | LOL | Mar 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Oppositi... | Mar 07 21:36 |
| trmanco | People who use Windows need to start using condoms on there computer | Mar 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | They raise kids to hate Free software and love patents | Mar 07 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Mike | Mar 07 21:36 |
| MrMidland | Hi | Mar 07 21:36 |
| MrMidland | Roy | Mar 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Remy might be going out tonight | Mar 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | If so, will you join? | Mar 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Do me a quick favbour, open this link: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Virtualization/Mi... | Mar 07 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Does it go to http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/ ? | Mar 07 21:37 |
| MrMidland | I have a ten k in the morning in Lichfield, a nice town, so need early night, thanks though, btw you are welcome to come along if you like, i can pick you up | Mar 07 21:37 |
| MrMidland | yes it does | Mar 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | No running for me. | Mar 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | MrMidland: thanks, they have an error | Mar 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | They send UK IPs to the wrong place. Site error | Mar 07 21:39 |
| Balrog | works here | Mar 07 21:39 |
| Balrog | :/ | Mar 07 21:39 |
| Balrog | yeah it's messed up | Mar 07 21:39 |
| Balrog | then | Mar 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | I'll use a proxy until they resolve it | Mar 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | MrMidland: I found lots of good videos | Mar 07 21:40 |
| MrMidland | good | Mar 07 21:40 |
| schestowitz | This one's decent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2... | Mar 07 21:40 |
| trmanco | MontaVista Launches Meld Community, Supports Moblin: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Mo... | Mar 07 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Moblin -- yuck! | Mar 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Intel needs to be out of business. | Mar 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | MontaVista supports them now? I know Wind River did (e.g. in automobiles push) | Mar 07 21:43 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I get the eweek story ok about virtualisation | Mar 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but UK IPs get sent for _all articles_ to the UK site (front page) | Mar 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Same in Ireland | Mar 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I've just tried from my server in there. | Mar 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Actually, the server is down in London, the host is Irish | Mar 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://browsershots.org/ > "The server at www.eweek.com sent a HTTP redirect. Your web address has been updated. Please try again." | Mar 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | So it affects Germany too | Mar 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | See http://browsershots.org/http://www.ew... | Mar 07 21:47 |
| trmanco | http://vps.goukihq.org/uptime.txt | Mar 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | "Wind River's 4Q Linux bookings, meanwhile, grew 48 percent year over year, says the company." < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3623706496.html > What recession?? | Mar 07 22:03 |
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| Balrog | What's the story with VxWorks? | Mar 07 22:07 |
| Balrog | (wind river UNIX) | Mar 07 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Why BuisnessWeek is the SUX: "However the analyst believes Symbian's switch to open source will help the Symbian Foundation maintain its leadership over Android, Linux and Microsoft over the next few years. " http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/con... | Mar 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Like Dana Blankenhorn, they think that Android id built from scratch or something. | Mar 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: UNIX down, Linux up. At least it's a sign of the times. | Mar 07 22:08 |
| Balrog | yes. | Mar 07 22:08 |
| Balrog | but many are still using VxWorks ... it's popular for embedded stuff | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | NASA | Mar 07 22:10 |
| PetoKraus | brb | Mar 07 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Green Olympics Planned for London in 2012 http://www.pcworld.com/article/160879/g... pr 'fluff' | Mar 07 22:32 |
| amarsh04 | Sydney Olympics were supposed to be "green" also | Mar 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | It's like "Green" planes or "friendly" fire | Mar 07 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | but playing without friendly fire is not cool | Mar 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freewebs.com/pskeli... | Mar 07 22:38 |
| trmanco | Firefox reached 838 million downloads on 2009-03-07 22:39 UTC | Mar 07 22:42 |
| PetoKraus | whee | Mar 07 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia's Eureka moment: Nokia May Drop DRM from its Music Service < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160887/n... > | Mar 07 22:45 |
| MinceR | CamperStrike? | Mar 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Over 1 of these download was from PearlyG | Mar 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | *downloads | Mar 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: AdBlock with a price tag: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php... | Mar 07 22:47 |
| PetoKraus | i know | Mar 07 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Business models for news sites are kaput | Mar 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | He gets readership sold out to IDG for something meager. | Mar 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | The economy of abundance. | Mar 07 22:48 |
| Balrog | what about adblock+flashblock, anyone? | Mar 07 22:55 |
| Balrog | ahh ... first amazon, then apple, now nokia...... | Mar 07 22:56 |
| Balrog | (well hopefully nokia) | Mar 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://technocrat.net/d/20... | Mar 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Yay! Techcorat is back!! | Mar 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | This prevents hundreds of 404s from BN and also leave my comments there in tact | Mar 07 22:58 |
| trmanco | next step after PHP -> Ruby | Mar 07 22:58 |
| trmanco | http://tryruby.hobix.com/ | Mar 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I asked him to do this.. just mailed him ("Thanks for bringing it back.") | Mar 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: didn't Ruby lose momentum. | Mar 07 23:00 |
| trmanco | don't know, but I agree with some people stating it's beautiful and artistic | Mar 07 23:01 |
| trmanco | GitHub was built on Ruby | Mar 07 23:01 |
| trmanco | http://github.com/languages | Mar 07 23:05 |
| trmanco | yep, Ruby is my next victim | Mar 07 23:06 |
| trmanco | Python can wait | Mar 07 23:06 |
| MinceR | python > ruby | Mar 07 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... http://ninjamurai.com/blog/tag/c/ | Mar 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I thought I had seen clear indications of Ruby losing steam somewhere. I guess it was also an article. Either way, as I remember it, for Ruby the honeymoon is over | Mar 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I had dinner with the FSFE in 2006 and one of the guys there was talking about how it was taking off and recently I've heard that Python is indeed gaining a lot, particularly on the server where so-called 'clouds' reside. | Mar 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz | This blog can make you fall asleep very fast: http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2009/... | Mar 07 23:11 |
| trmanco | Python is horrendous, looks ugly and it's confusing... but yes it is very power full | Mar 07 23:11 |
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| mib_3wy8wj | mono fails | Mar 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Mar 07 23:11 |
| mib_3wy8wj | And that was all. | Mar 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what do you mean by "ugly"/ | Mar 07 23:12 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, it's syntax | Mar 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, pythons are ugly. http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/... | Mar 07 23:12 |
| trmanco | I'll give you and example | Mar 07 23:13 |
| trmanco | an* | Mar 07 23:13 |
| *trmanco finds some source code | Mar 07 23:13 | |
| MinceR | no, ruby is horrendous and ugly | Mar 07 23:13 |
| MinceR | python is mostly beautiful | Mar 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bentbay.dk/dyr/e... | Mar 07 23:13 |
| trmanco | MinceR, hehe, programming language wars :-P | Mar 07 23:15 |
| trmanco | looks at this -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-c... looks like crap, no offense though, the devs are doing a great job | Mar 07 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/conte... "If he had have done then the small detail that Schiefer had been convicted of being a botnet builder, spreading malware to some 250,000 computers in the process. According to Mahalo CEO Jason Calacanis they have a rigorous hiring process in place." | Mar 07 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: morning. | Mar 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: looks fine to me | Mar 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Perl is harder to read | Mar 07 23:17 |
| trmanco | never tried perl | Mar 07 23:17 |
| PetoKraus | yeahwoe | Mar 07 23:17 |
| PetoKraus | nonstandard letters on the keyboard part 3 | Mar 07 23:18 |
| PetoKraus | Ãâ aka capital delta; ü aka small mu; Ã⬠aka pi! | Mar 07 23:18 |
| PetoKraus | love xmodmap | Mar 07 23:18 |
| trmanco | LOL | Mar 07 23:18 |
| oiaohm | How things going schestowitz | Mar 07 23:18 |
| PetoKraus | (if your client does not display it correctly, you are a wank for not using unicode) | Mar 07 23:19 |
| trmanco | 0x42 | Mar 07 23:19 |
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| oiaohm | http://torrentfreak.com/audio... Who said the analog flaw could not be covered. | Mar 07 23:20 |
| trmanco | "wanted a scripting language that was more powerful than Perl, and more object-oriented than Python" | Mar 07 23:22 |
| oiaohm | PHP | Mar 07 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes it can be used as a scripting language | Mar 07 23:23 |
| trmanco | that's a quote from the creator of Ruby | Mar 07 23:24 |
| trmanco | yeah, but for now, I'm still sticking with php | Mar 07 23:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: all right. Tired though | Mar 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 07 23:32 |
| trmanco | Personal Home Page wow | Mar 07 23:34 |
| trmanco | PHP I guess | Mar 07 23:34 |
| oiaohm | http://www.php.net/ << No coding language trmanco | Mar 07 23:38 |
| trmanco | scripting language | Mar 07 23:38 |
| trmanco | I think you can also use php as a coding language, it already has gtk bindings | Mar 07 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Ruby and PHP both have there different advantages. | Mar 07 23:40 |
| trmanco | don't know, I just rushed through the basic of ruby | Mar 07 23:41 |
| trmanco | basics* | Mar 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | PHP if what you are doing could be used with a web server in future it simpler to fine providers providing PHP than RUBY | Mar 07 23:42 |
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