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| schestowitz | amarsh04: JIT: Free 3D Video Drivers needed to spread the Linux Desktop < http://gnuski.blogspot.com/2009/03/free-3d... > | Mar 07 00:00 |
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| amarsh04 | at last, someone posts such an article? thanks, schestowitz | Mar 07 00:01 |
| amarsh04 | has linuxtoday linked to that article, schestowitz, if not, I'll submit it | Mar 07 00:04 |
| schestowitz | No-one had. | Mar 07 00:06 |
| schestowitz | *has | Mar 07 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Amber is a self-proclaimed average mom, which means that she juggles many tasks and has a limited amount of time and patience at the end of the day. Her husband works at Canonical (and used to work for Red Hat), but she wanted to move from her Mac and try out Linux without his help. http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/blogs/r... | Mar 07 00:08 |
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| MinceR | she fails at biology though :> | Mar 07 00:11 |
| MinceR | most of the arthropods she mentions as "bugs" aren't | Mar 07 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Citrix ruined Xen. http://aplawrence.com/Linux/citr... "Aside from the annoying requirement of a Windows management box, is there any other reason not to embrace this? I'd be worried about divergence and lock-in: will Citrix keep up with the Xen project or will they lag behind because of the need to keep their hooks in place? On the other hand, is it possible for Citrix Xen to leap ahead of the Xen project in features? " | Mar 07 00:12 |
| amarsh04 | "Free 3D Video Drivers needed to spread the Linux Desktop" submitted to linuxtoday.com schestowitz | Mar 07 00:16 |
| amarsh04 | a centipede isn't an arthropod, it's a chilopod | Mar 07 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Scroll down to "think correctly" http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/200... | Mar 07 00:18 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: thanks! | Mar 07 00:19 |
| MinceR | chilopoda is a class inside the phylum of arthropoda | Mar 07 00:20 |
| MinceR | so centipedes are arthropods too :> | Mar 07 00:20 |
| MinceR | pft... bsd | Mar 07 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Jobs took BSD and thought "differently" from "correctly" | Mar 07 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Inhibit, not share | Mar 07 00:22 |
| amarsh04 | ok, I stand corrected MineR | Mar 07 00:23 |
| amarsh04 | my mum was a zoologist, but mainly to do with marsupials and lepidoptera | Mar 07 00:24 |
| Balrog | really 'inhibit'? They do share the kernel ...... | Mar 07 00:27 |
| Balrog | and driver | Mar 07 00:27 |
| Balrog | drivers * | Mar 07 00:28 |
| amarsh04 | Wikipedia explains it well http://en.wikipedia.org/... | Mar 07 00:29 |
| Balrog | and it's not all bsd...the majority it CMU Mach and NEXTSTEP code (well, brought up to date) | Mar 07 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is collapsing these days, thus it's suing. | Mar 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I found several articles about migrations to FOSS and SaaS (pay by watching ads) | Mar 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Watch Wall Street today. Google's value almost exceeds Microsoft's now. Vista 7 will not be enough because people don't buy new PCs. | Mar 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft waited with the FAT dog until now... it's hurting and it shows.. | Mar 07 00:31 |
| Balrog | but now should be too late | Mar 07 00:32 |
| Balrog | I thought that in the US if you don't enforce your 'IP' from the start, you lose the right to enforce your IP | Mar 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Bilski is the real pain to them | Mar 07 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Unless they overrule this decision (I believe an appeal is in the making), then they rely on exhausting the sued party. They chose a victim near bankruptcy on puropose | Mar 07 00:33 |
| Balrog | yeah. | Mar 07 00:33 |
| Balrog | Tom-Tom said they are prepared to fight | Mar 07 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Google is broken again | Mar 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Google Groups drops all sorts of symbols from results (for all messages) | Mar 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, they are (which is great news) | Mar 07 00:34 |
| Balrog | url? | Mar 07 00:34 |
| schestowitz | They receive loads of good publicity | Mar 07 00:34 |
| Balrog | yes, and publicity for MS is bad | Mar 07 00:34 |
| Balrog | the public opinion of MS will probably drop | Mar 07 00:35 |
| schestowitz | It already does. I saw examples | Mar 07 00:36 |
| schestowitz | People in servers arena run both | Mar 07 00:36 |
| schestowitz | And they see the dog barking at their cat in the (servers) farm | Mar 07 00:36 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 07 00:43 |
| trmanco | haha | Mar 07 01:01 |
| trmanco | Mozilla responds do the Secunia crappy report -> http://blog.mozilla.com/security/... | Mar 07 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Lots of good news for Linux today. I post to COLA now. | Mar 07 01:02 |
| Balrog | rumor site, but there may be something to it: | Mar 07 01:02 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, do you ever sleep? :-P | Mar 07 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I'll sleep at around 5 | Mar 07 01:02 |
| Balrog | http://www.jcxp.net/ | Mar 07 01:02 |
| trmanco | until what? 9? | Mar 07 01:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://identi.ca/notice/2648680 | Mar 07 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Probably 11 | Mar 07 01:03 |
| trmanco | :D | Mar 07 01:03 |
| trmanco | Ah, ok | Mar 07 01:03 |
| trmanco | Balrog, Gayzelle is going to replace that junk | Mar 07 01:04 |
| Balrog | I hear | Mar 07 01:04 |
| trmanco | hmm... | Mar 07 01:04 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 07 01:04 |
| Balrog | probably it will be vaporware though | Mar 07 01:04 |
| Balrog | like IE 6 for Mac | Mar 07 01:05 |
| schestowitz | That's malware, no? | Mar 07 01:06 |
| Balrog | no, it never came out | Mar 07 01:06 |
| Balrog | (IE 6 / Mac) | Mar 07 01:06 |
| Balrog | they cancelled it shortly after Apple started safari | Mar 07 01:06 |
| schestowitz | But it was still mal-ware | Mar 07 01:07 |
| Balrog | you mean IE 5? | Mar 07 01:07 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/2648720 | Mar 07 01:07 |
| Balrog | secunia is known to favor MS products in their reports | Mar 07 01:08 |
| trmanco | who doesn't? | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Balrog | well, the antivirus companies do, as they want to sell more AV software | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Balrog | (and they want to sell it to people who run Linux / UNIX-based OS and don't really need it.) | Mar 07 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I think I had IE5 on the Mac at work | Mar 07 01:10 |
| schestowitz | And Netscape | Mar 07 01:10 |
| Balrog | like our school forces mac users to install symantec (a piece of junk) | Mar 07 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes | Mar 07 01:11 |
| schestowitz | See secunia at BN | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: IE 5 for mac worked OK ... probably because it didn't use Trident | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Balrog | Netscape 4.x was slow and clunky, by the last days of OS 9 | Mar 07 01:11 |
| trmanco | they have "Scan your PC" on the frontpage, let me click ir | Mar 07 01:11 |
| trmanco | it* | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Balrog | IE at least worked reasonably | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Balrog | ActiveX contol, trmanco, probably | Mar 07 01:12 |
| trmanco | it's a javaapplet | Mar 07 01:12 |
| Balrog | ew. | Mar 07 01:12 |
| Balrog | that's also a possibility | Mar 07 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Old news: Secunia hates Linux: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Mar 07 01:12 |
| schestowitz | I already have them here: http://boycottnovell.com/credi... | Mar 07 01:13 |
| Balrog | i.e. there are no known Mac viruses in the wild (and a handful of malware/trojan apps), and no Linux viruses in the wild (yes there are like 100 that don't work anymore) | Mar 07 01:14 |
| Balrog | so why put an antivirus on a Mac or Linux system? | Mar 07 01:14 |
| Balrog | (unless you're running a mail or a file server...) | Mar 07 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Fear of the unknown | Mar 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Because there /might/ be risk | Mar 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Not because there /is/ | Mar 07 01:16 |
| Balrog | an antivirus won't protect you from the unknown | Mar 07 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Plug in an unpatched XP box to broadband. See how far it gets | Mar 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: exactly | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Balrog | and there are these people that insist that Linux / Mac is much less secure than Windows, because MS releases more patches. | Mar 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I want to hear about the risk NOW | Mar 07 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: tell me about the EVIL LUNIX exploit that threatens to swallow all our boxes | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Balrog | I don't see any | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Balrog | what I do hear is that open services and incorrect permissions cause problems | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Balrog | but an AV won't help with that... | Mar 07 01:18 |
| trmanco | Windows doesn't have proper filesystem permissions | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Balrog | sure it doesn't | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Balrog | NTFS tries though | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Balrog | it did pass C2 for a while (with NT4) | Mar 07 01:19 |
| trmanco | its a pile a shit compared to *nix based systems | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Balrog | Win2k had C2 withdrawn | Mar 07 01:19 |
| trmanco | what is that? | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Balrog | The main difference is that NTFS implements ACL's directly. | Mar 07 01:20 |
| trmanco | sime kind of an american security control mesure? | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Balrog | yes, a DoD classification | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Balrog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Compute... | Mar 07 01:20 |
| trmanco | measure * | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Balrog | SELinux does all that and more | Mar 07 01:21 |
| trmanco | ahh, that, I've heard of that before... it's phony | Mar 07 01:21 |
| Balrog | not totally | Mar 07 01:22 |
| trmanco | what do I and 98% of Linux users care about that? | Mar 07 01:22 |
| Balrog | the u+g+o permissions in Unix is rather weak | Mar 07 01:22 |
| Balrog | but that's why we have ACL's | Mar 07 01:22 |
| trmanco | but what about no permission capability at all? | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Balrog | now that's horrible | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Balrog | FAT is like that | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Balrog | Windows is configured like that by default | Mar 07 01:23 |
| trmanco | sounds creepy | Mar 07 01:23 |
| trmanco | it's also configured with a series a clicks and EULA files | Mar 07 01:24 |
| Balrog | I'm not supporting windows here ... just stating that their implementation of permissions at the FS level is a decent attempt. | Mar 07 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Permissions are 'bolted on' in Windows | Mar 07 01:24 |
| Balrog | but one thing they missed was the execute bit | Mar 07 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Their FS is very old | Mar 07 01:24 |
| Balrog | aren't permissions part of NTFS? | Mar 07 01:24 |
| schestowitz | They haven't prioritised making it new | Mar 07 01:24 |
| schestowitz | WinFS collapsed | Mar 07 01:24 |
| schestowitz | So since WinXP days they have stayed with a very old, flaky FS | Mar 07 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Just promises... now Vista becomes Vista7, which means just evolutionary change... new wallpaper and all. | Mar 07 01:25 |
| Balrog | well it's not as flaky as FAT. | Mar 07 01:25 |
| schestowitz | FAT is fat | Mar 07 01:25 |
| trmanco | and a more anyin | Mar 07 01:25 |
| Balrog | by the way, NTFS wasn't even original from MS | Mar 07 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to INNOVA~1 | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Balrog | they based much of it on HPFS | Mar 07 01:26 |
| schestowitz | where having long names is 'too' modern | Mar 07 01:26 |
| trmanco | and a more annoying UAC | Mar 07 01:26 |
| schestowitz | They need to kick it | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 07 01:26 |
| schestowitz | But they won't | Mar 07 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Too arrogant | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Balrog | what about all the others who did that? | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Balrog | MS wasn't the first. | Mar 07 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Took them like 15 years to kill bloody Clippy | Mar 07 01:27 |
| schestowitz | People have complained about it for centuries. | Mar 07 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It takes guts to admit a mistake | Mar 07 01:27 |
| trmanco | clippy didn't die | Mar 07 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Clippy is ONE son of a BOB | Mar 07 01:28 |
| Balrog | clippy is patented, right. | Mar 07 01:28 |
| trmanco | it still in bloat office 2007 somewhere, AFAIK | Mar 07 01:28 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org... | Mar 07 01:28 |
| schestowitz | The remnants of a bad idea | Mar 07 01:28 |
| trmanco | "Despite its ambitious nature, Bob was one of Microsoft's more visible product failures. " | Mar 07 01:28 |
| trmanco | ha, the person who gave bill this idea probably got fired and silently sued | Mar 07 01:29 |
| trmanco | oh wait, there is more | Mar 07 01:29 |
| trmanco | looks like the monkey named it | Mar 07 01:29 |
| trmanco | interesting, the person behind bob was his girlfriend | Mar 07 01:31 |
| trmanco | wife at the moment | Mar 07 01:33 |
| trmanco | I don't remember using this on W3.1 or 95 | Mar 07 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Silently sued? | Mar 07 01:34 |
| schestowitz | How come? | Mar 07 01:34 |
| Balrog | It was around. | Mar 07 01:34 |
| Balrog | I used to see it | Mar 07 01:35 |
| Balrog | but it was a totally dismal failure | Mar 07 01:35 |
| trmanco | that was just me thinking (and typing) out loud | Mar 07 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | "I have been watching GOOG's market cap compared to MSFT's for some time now, and rejoiced when GOOG crossed the $100 b market cap barrier separating it from MSFT. Today the spread between GOOG and MSFT is only $28 b. However, not being a mathematician, I am not sure of the significance of 28 on a market cap of only $97 b for GOOG and $135 b for MSFT versus their earlier positions. " | Mar 07 02:21 |
| Slam a bamma, they hit $13.31 today. I don't think they've been there since 1997. | Mar 07 02:37 | |
| ha ha | Mar 07 02:37 | |
| that would give them a market cap of 118 B. Notice that Google is still hanging in there at about 50% of it's 2008 max of $700 while M$ is around 25% of it's Y2K price of $58. | Mar 07 02:41 | |
| schestowitz | $13.31????/ | Mar 07 02:41 |
| schestowitz | I can't see that in the intra-day chart. | Mar 07 02:42 |
| schestowitz | A friend wrote to me to say: "GOOG has lost half of its value from its high in 2005 and the same for Microsoft from its high in April 2008. MSFT has actually lost more relative and absolute value than has GOOG in the last 12 mos or so, which is is contrary to common sense, because GOOG is a "growth" stock and MSFT is a "value" stock." | Mar 07 02:42 |
| I don't see it on the chart either, but Google reports it as the today's low and their new 52 week low. http://www.google.com/finance?... | Mar 07 02:42 | |
| schestowitz | "So it would appear that GOOG is weathering the downturn better than is MSFT. It would also appear that even by relative standards, GOOG is closing in on MSFT, since GOOG has lost less value. I think that is due to the fact that MSFT's investors are seeing that MSFT has not addressed the issue of cloud computing as well as has GOOG, which is all about the cloud. " | Mar 07 02:42 |
| schestowitz | "The cloud is still relatively foreign territory for MSFT, which is not as good as monetizing the cloud as is GOOG. GOOG is actually monetizing cloud apps in the form of Google Docs, and MSFT really is still trying to figure out Software plus services, as opposed to SaaS, which GOOG is really good at." | Mar 07 02:42 |
| schestowitz | "MSFT is really good at dividing the FOSS community just by associating with them, as in the case of Novell, or by suing one of them, as it is doing with TomTom." | Mar 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | "Of course, the latter situation depends on how the court, the jury, and the parties behave throughout this trial. If TomTom survives as a standalone company, it will be really tough sledding for MSFT and its bogus patents, especially in the wake of In re Bilski, which I think most people recognize weakens MSFT's patent portfolio." | Mar 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | There was a long discussion about it.. maybe another day.. | Mar 07 02:43 |
| schestowitz | "Well, at least the general media is now talking about open source. Now if we could just get them to talk about Free Software. Sure it might be negative coverage, and negative coverage is not as good as positive coverage, but Microsoft has really bet the farm on this case, due to the publicity it is getting. Here is what that article says about FAT: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-k... | Mar 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz | l " | Mar 07 02:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-k... | Mar 07 02:44 |
| M$'s little rebound late in the day is just M$ buying stocks back. If it ware not for that, they would have closed at less than $15. They are close enough to 25% value for it not to matter. | Mar 07 02:47 | |
| Basically, M$ is through. | Mar 07 02:47 | |
| Google has kicked their ass on the web and broken M$'s silly non standards web initiative. Google has also taken a bite out of M$'s Office revenue. GNU/Linux has sapped M$'s Windows revenue, and Vista has cemented M$'s reputation as greedy, broken and not worth having. | Mar 07 02:49 | |
| Worse than that, anyone can do what Google and GNU/Linux vendors have. M$ is now totally dependent on patent litigation for survival and that is a bad bet. | Mar 07 02:50 | |
| :) happy times | Mar 07 02:56 | |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 07 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Wait until daily links | Mar 07 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Lots of goodies | Mar 07 02:57 |
| cool | Mar 07 03:33 | |
| schestowitz | Watch Firefox and how they manage to make money. Some people explore business models in the wrong place.... | Mar 07 03:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki5... (Leif Pagrotsky on the Swedish Economy) | Mar 07 03:33 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Mar 07 03:42 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vwDpi... | Mar 07 03:59 |
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| bad audio quality on that boulevard | Mar 07 04:11 | |
| rm BoulevardofBrokenDreams.mp4 | Mar 07 04:12 | |
| bill buckly? He's dead isn't he? | Mar 07 04:13 | |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 07 04:14 |
| schestowitz | He regrets the Vietnam war | Mar 07 04:14 |
| schestowitz | He also admits the government fooled him | Mar 07 04:14 |
| schestowitz | They fed journalists lies | Mar 07 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Iraq is Vietnam 2.0 | Mar 07 04:15 |
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| Wow! | Mar 07 04:16 | |
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| I reject the premise that civil rights protests were peaceful and anti-war protests were violent. That's a silly and sweeping statement. | Mar 07 04:18 | |
| "masturbatory relief" ha ha | Mar 07 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | Violent against violence of death? | Mar 07 04:21 |
| That's what they say up front. Protests of all sorts can turn violent. The generalization makes little sense to me. We've all see pictures of dogs biting protesters and people being fire hosed, beaten and arrested. | Mar 07 04:23 | |
| I missed the part where Buckley says he changed his mind about the Vietnam war. | Mar 07 04:24 | |
| ha ha, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F_... | Mar 07 04:26 | |
| "Buckley's views changed on some issues, such as drug legalization, which he came to favor.[64] In his December 3, 2007 column, Buckley advocated banning tobacco use in America." | Mar 07 04:27 | |
| Think of that the next time someone bashes RMS for talking about legalizing drugs. | Mar 07 04:27 | |
| "Buckley believed the movement he made had destroyed itself by supporting the war in Iraq" duh | Mar 07 04:28 | |
| " At the time of his death, he had been suffering from emphysema ..." No wonder he ended up hating tobacco. | Mar 07 04:30 | |
| schestowitz | Many people I know died from smoking, family too. | Mar 07 04:32 |
| schestowitz | Smoking makes life shorter, by design. | Mar 07 04:33 |
| It is an evil that is also going away but not fast enough. | Mar 07 04:34 | |
| good night | Mar 07 04:35 | |
| schestowitz | william buckley threatens to punch chomsky in the face < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEIrZ... >. He's so pretentious. | Mar 07 04:38 |
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| amarsh04 | I first heard of Noam Chomsky through Chomsky grammars in computer science classes | Mar 07 04:40 |
| schestowitz | Same here. | Mar 07 04:40 |
| schestowitz | Off I go now (5am) | Mar 07 04:40 |
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| Omar871 | Hey guys. | Mar 07 06:18 |
| Omar871 | Did you see the video about MS's 2019 future vision. :) | Mar 07 06:18 |
| Omar871 | ? | Mar 07 06:18 |
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| Omar871 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtXyh97bUg | Mar 07 06:20 |
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| Omar871 | What more than halucination would you expect from Microsoft. | Mar 07 06:21 |
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| Omar871 | trmanco: Did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Mar 07 06:23 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: Did you watch this? http://www.youtube.com/wat... | Mar 07 06:24 |
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| PetoKraus | lemmezee... | Mar 07 08:37 |
| PetoKraus | now | Mar 07 08:41 |
| PetoKraus | that's linux running on these PC\s | Mar 07 08:41 |
| PetoKraus | KDE4, ain't it | Mar 07 08:41 |
| PetoKraus | brb | Mar 07 08:46 |
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| trmanco | Omar871, do you really think microsoft alone can do that? | Mar 07 09:38 |
| trmanco | I've never seen the video | Mar 07 09:38 |
| trmanco | airplanes with Windows, oh noes | Mar 07 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: it's like the Longhoen bullshit. | Mar 07 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Thew world heads into a crisis and Microsoft does films while it's entering debt. Hilarious. | Mar 07 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Fanbois will abandon iPhone for Palm, says Wikisugardaddy http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... | Mar 07 11:09 |
| schestowitz | WTF?? "Sponsored Post: Event: Microsoft and Open Source…" http://news-open-source.com/ | Mar 07 11:11 |
| schestowitz | It says bull: "Over the past four years, Microsoft has had an entire team, led by open source guru Sam Ramji, diligently working on ways for open source developers to take advantages of the benefits that Microsoft" | Mar 07 11:12 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine who I think met the prick wrote yesterday: "The article linked above states that Microsoft has paid a huge price in bringing this case. The cost? a failed ability to send Sam Ramji around trying to kiss ass with everyone in the FOSS community. " | Mar 07 11:13 |
| schestowitz | "Now people in the FOSS community will once again be reminded of Microsoft's true nature. I must say that I dislike Sam Ramji, or at least the role that he plays. He is such a traitor, a sneak thief, a provocateur, a spy, an infiltrator. " | Mar 07 11:13 |
| schestowitz | "Also, I find myself becoming increasingly angry at Novell. I am starting to wonder if I really misunderstood the nature of the Novell - Microsoft deal. I have long thought of it as Microsoft purchasing ice in the winter from Novell." | Mar 07 11:13 |
| schestowitz | "Novell denied Microsoft had patent claims, but said sure, I will accept money from you to enter into a deal for sharing sales contacts with customers who were pissed of at the pissing match between Microsoft and Linux." | Mar 07 11:13 |
| schestowitz | "But I once ran into Jeremy Allison at Google after Jeremy had quit Novell and moved to Google. Jeremy said that there were things about the Microsoft - Novell deal that he could not tell me or anyone. He said that it would eventually become public." | Mar 07 11:14 |
| schestowitz | "Now Jeremy is saying publicly that the TomTom deal is disclosing that Microsoft is using its secret patent licensing deals as a way to attack the GPL by getting Linux vendors to violate the GPL. It appears that there are things in the NDAs signed by companies negotiating the patent deals with Microsoft that violate the GPL. I haven't look into it, so I don't know the specifics." | Mar 07 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft = the lawyers company... | Mar 07 11:15 |
| schestowitz | "If that is true, this TomTom suit could be very bad for Novell, because it could once again dredge up questions about Novell's good standing in the FOSS community. I for one am going to be watching this case as closely as my limited time allows." | Mar 07 11:15 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 widows ask for investigation: http://www.democraticunderground.com/disc... | Mar 07 11:19 |
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| oiaohm | Having a good day schestowitz last time I was in here I got a little off topic sorry for that. | Mar 07 11:30 |
| schestowitz | No, I enjoyed reading it. | Mar 07 11:31 |
| schestowitz | jose tried finding you last night | Mar 07 11:31 |
| schestowitz | He wanted to thank you. | Mar 07 11:31 |
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| oiaohm | Last night after work stuffed. | Mar 07 11:33 |
| oiaohm | So bad infact I don't remember going to bed. | Mar 07 11:33 |
| oiaohm | I have already had 2 hours sleep after today. | Mar 07 11:33 |
| oiaohm | I really hate it jobs at times. | Mar 07 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Any idea what time zone jose is in. | Mar 07 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Florida | Mar 07 11:35 |
| oiaohm | I am in Australia | Mar 07 11:36 |
| oiaohm | so syncing up is going to be interesting. | Mar 07 11:36 |
| oiaohm | LOL 6.44 AM there and its 9.44 pm here | Mar 07 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Nocturnals down under | Mar 07 11:38 |
| oiaohm | I guess you saw why some Microsoft fans muck me up at time for a Linux Hater. | Mar 07 11:38 |
| oiaohm | I know the defects of Linux far too well. | Mar 07 11:39 |
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| oiaohm | They get upset because I know the defects of Windows equally well. | Mar 07 11:39 |
| schestowitz | And Mac..? | Mar 07 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Mac don't have one to fully rip to bits. | Mar 07 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Can do some decent hate on Mac just not complete cost kinda cuts me out from getting full data. | Mar 07 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Is it true that Mono employees (Novell) all work from the US or at least centred there? | Mar 07 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Someone said yesterday that SUSE employees need cleansing before going to Red Hat | Mar 07 11:51 |
| schestowitz | But I don't think they EVER likes the MS deal. | Mar 07 11:52 |
| schestowitz | They just worked for the man, for a paycheck. | Mar 07 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and for Geeko. | Mar 07 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: if you do a Machater blog, yoi'll get lots of attention, guaranteed | Mar 07 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Look at how a certain loser pretended to be Steve Jobs. He had those fans running over. | Mar 07 11:53 |
| oiaohm | At least steve jobs was a true programmer at the head of the company. | Mar 07 11:53 |
| oiaohm | The guy who taken over really has huge shoes to fill. | Mar 07 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Did he study something at higher education? | Mar 07 11:56 |
| *schestowitz can't recall his biography | Mar 07 11:56 | |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs | Mar 07 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Way better programmer history than Bill Gates kinda explains why Mac OS's at least work most of the time. | Mar 07 11:59 |
| schestowitz | "'Unfortunately, Bill Gates is not a wizard. Even worse, he is a bad programmer. When Martin Eller, a Microsoft programmer, found an error in the flood fill routine of the MS-Basic interpreter, he exclaimed "Which moron wrote this brainless sh*t?" only to find out it was Gates himself who wrote the "brainless sh*t". I think it is safe to say that Bill Gates is hardly the technical wizard he would so much like to be.'" | Mar 07 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://thebeez.vnunetblogs.com/the... | Mar 07 12:05 |
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| oiaohm | Yep | Mar 07 12:06 |
| schestowitz | He's a lawyer | Mar 07 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Still is | Mar 07 12:07 |
| schestowitz | And his dad is corrupting the system along with him | Mar 07 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Not they pretend to be philanthropists. | Mar 07 12:07 |
| schestowitz | To them, computers were just means for controlling the world | Mar 07 12:08 |
| schestowitz | In the 90s (or late 80s), Gates told a computer magazine that he intended to take over the world. | Mar 07 12:08 |
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| oiaohm | "Nokia also believes that a party should not enjoy use of Nokia's patents and at the same time threaten the development of the Linux kernel by assertion of its own patents. Therefore, Nokia's commitment shall not apply with regard to any party asserting its patents against any Linux kernel," the company said in a statement. Hmm now where is the raw statement http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22... | Mar 07 12:18 |
| Omar871 | Guys, don't you find it hilarious that the company with the most two bloated products on earth, Zune and Surface (Or three, if you count Windows), is now making halucinational vidz about what's it gonna look like in 2019?? | Mar 07 12:19 |
| oiaohm | MS is a dieing company if they don't change there ways. | Mar 07 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Surface I would not make too much fun of. MPX that will allow Linuxs to do the same thing is slowly going into mainline of x.org | Mar 07 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: where is the video from? | Mar 07 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Is it part of the Innovation Day propaganda? | Mar 07 12:26 |
| Omar871 | Youtube. | Mar 07 12:26 |
| schestowitz | They try to influence (corrupt) politicians. | Mar 07 12:26 |
| Omar871 | I'm not sure. | Mar 07 12:26 |
| schestowitz | When is it from? | Mar 07 12:26 |
| schestowitz | They are a dying company | Mar 07 12:26 |
| schestowitz | They try to sell the story that they invest everything (well, they mostly steal, even from Apple), so that they can have software patents | Mar 07 12:27 |
| schestowitz | They sell dreams | Mar 07 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they should fix their broken software rtaher than make short films | Mar 07 12:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like the Mac ad with fixing Vista | Mar 07 12:27 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: As stated on Youtube, it's fresh (March 03, 2009) | Mar 07 12:27 |
| schestowitz | "some money for fixing Vista... lots for making more videos about it" | Mar 07 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: bingo. That would be it | Mar 07 12:27 |
| schestowitz | They must have made some propaganda for EU brainwash day | Mar 07 12:28 |
| schestowitz | See FP of BN... about Czech Republic | Mar 07 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Have you seen the Longhorn video? | Mar 07 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Wait, I\ll get it | Mar 07 12:28 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: And yet, some pathetic morons here are so "Amazed" by how much of an "Angel" MS is.. | Mar 07 12:28 |
| Omar871 | HAH... Just look at their products.. see of you could find anything original.. | Mar 07 12:29 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it now | Mar 07 12:29 |
| Omar871 | Absolutely nothing.. | Mar 07 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, all they offered was mockup demos | Mar 07 12:30 |
| oiaohm | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/des... << At long last some of the MS camp are starting to get it. | Mar 07 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Like in Minority Report or somehting | Mar 07 12:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, he does | Mar 07 12:30 |
| schestowitz | He's leaning towards some Macs now | Mar 07 12:30 |
| schestowitz | He got burned badly by Vista (Joe Wilcox that is) | Mar 07 12:30 |
| oiaohm | That is the other problem MS is facing there marketing systems are basically splitering. | Mar 07 12:31 |
| oiaohm | What use to be pro in some places is turn anti | Mar 07 12:31 |
| Omar871 | What pisses me off even more are the ".NET clubs" run by a bunch of stupid IT and CPE students here in most (if not all) Jordanian colleges and Univ.'s | Mar 07 12:33 |
| Omar871 | It makes me kinda disgusted by how brainwashed they are.. | Mar 07 12:34 |
| oiaohm | I am personally waiting on kdevelop 4 to complete before taking them on head on. | Mar 07 12:36 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Mar 07 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: don't worry, Microsoft is dying | Mar 07 13:00 |
| schestowitz | They'll need to move on at some stage, just like Atari fans | Mar 07 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Samsung stuffs 1.5TB onto three-platter hard drive < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?... > | Mar 07 13:01 |
| oiaohm | There is 1 problem with what they are doing. | Mar 07 13:02 |
| oiaohm | More dence they get it the more impossiable data recovery becomes. | Mar 07 13:02 |
| schestowitz | So use redundancy. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Reduncancy does fail. | Mar 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Of site storage is kinda critical. | Mar 07 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Nice fun is datarecoverying drives that have been in a fire. | Mar 07 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Hot stuff. | Mar 07 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Ok interesting one company is working on something the size of a credit card that holds 30 GB. | Mar 07 13:11 |
| oiaohm | That does not need to spin. | Mar 07 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Storage capacity is leapfrogging need | Mar 07 13:19 |
| schestowitz | With the exception of datacentres maybe. | Mar 07 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Unless we go back in time, all of this is futile | Mar 07 13:19 |
| schestowitz | In the past, most storage MAY have been consumed by average consumers by VIDEOS. | Mar 07 13:19 |
| schestowitz | But people these days are streaming videos (e.g. YouTube) because networks are faster | Mar 07 13:20 |
| schestowitz | So what to do -- as an average consumer -- with all that space? Progressive backups? | Mar 07 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Heh. A friend of mine who's a lawyer admitted: "As a lawyer, I can tell you that lawyers don't sit around talking about justice, they talk about whether you can win a motion for summary judgment (a quick way to end cases)." | Mar 07 13:23 |
| schestowitz | "Law is very narrow. It is not about justice. It is about whether the law can be used to bludgeon your opponent. This is why I am increasing becoming disillusioned with the practice of law. It is increasingly becoming true that the party with the greater resources wins. That is why it is so important for TomTom to win this case. " | Mar 07 13:23 |
| oiaohm | It comes down to the skill of your laywer too. | Mar 07 13:23 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of cases where a good laywer can making the other side with more resources do a lot more. | Mar 07 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when you are smart about who has to prove what. | Mar 07 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Patent case Attacked person has to prove if or if not they used patent. Attacker has to prove if there patent is valid. | Mar 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Oj Simpson... | Mar 07 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Oj Simpson dumb goverment laywers | Mar 07 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Well, he's detained now | Mar 07 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Another violent assault. Is Tyson out? How about Unabomber? Out before death? | Mar 07 13:27 |
| oiaohm | The bload stained glove should have been blocked from being touched. | Mar 07 13:27 |
| oiaohm | On the grounds that future examination would be tainted so by allow it touched was damaging any possiable apeal attempt by either side. | Mar 07 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | When judge refused gone straight for miss trial. | Mar 07 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Basically goverment laywers lack balls. | Mar 07 13:29 |
| oiaohm | I always love common law court cases. Only cases we you can put all lawyers judge and court reporter in the case under oath to tell and write the truth. I have got a miss trial once because other lawyer did not mirror and put me under oath. | Mar 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Also got that lawyer disbared in the process. | Mar 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Bigger firm. Play hardball on there lawyer registrations is supprising how friendly the become. | Mar 07 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Most lawyers don't want to enter a court room with another lawyer who pure goal is to disbar them so the case has to start over if they lose. | Mar 07 13:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: BTW... | Mar 07 13:36 |
| schestowitz | The host didn't explain what had gone wrong with the wiki DB | Mar 07 13:36 |
| schestowitz | it just got corrupted | Mar 07 13:36 |
| MinceR | well, Atari still exists :> | Mar 07 13:36 |
| schestowitz | After those odd downtimes that caused trouble | Mar 07 13:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not in the same 'form' | Mar 07 13:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I restored the DB from backup, which was up to date | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | But I didn't get diagnostics of any kind. | Mar 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Take Apple case in point. | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | It scales badly | Mar 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Remember at OS 9 Apple almost went under. | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Like 300 DB queries per second the other day | Mar 07 13:37 |
| MinceR | it should have | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it did. | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | OS 9 anyway | Mar 07 13:37 |
| MinceR | sadly, apple didn't | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I used to think Apple would help Linux | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I was wrong | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | They continue to attack Freeom and Linux | Mar 07 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Apple lived threw but restructured to a system cheaper to maintain. | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | They are being either: 1) foolish | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Or: 2 ) afraid | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I believe the latter | Mar 07 13:38 |
| oiaohm | They are scared. | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Also, Apple is still buddies with MS | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Apple knows that Linux has parity wrt to OS X pretty much | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Only cheaper (no h/w lock-in) and more versatlie, libe, etc. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Apple is trying to stay alive. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | *libre | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | E.g. filesystems in Linux are miles ahead | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Same with fast boot.. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Apple having to compete in a open hardware market how long will they last. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Firefox... | Mar 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Not long. | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Wine... | Mar 07 13:39 |
| schestowitz | And so on and so forth | Mar 07 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Apple=marketing | Mar 07 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Apple shares resources were it suits them with Linux. | Mar 07 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Apple=simple, compact, not so powerful | Mar 07 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Like cups. | Mar 07 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Apple to linux is what BSD is to Linux, plus better artwork and marketing | Mar 07 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Apple has not be a full loss for Linux. | Mar 07 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Before Apple restructed there was no sharing with Linux. | Mar 07 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Improvement is Improvement. | Mar 07 13:41 |
| oiaohm | MS is going to have to go through th same kinda conversion as Apple long term. | Mar 07 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Imagine how much it cost Apple to build a platform for iPhone | Mar 07 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Palm did the same without all the effort | Mar 07 13:41 |
| schestowitz | But unlike Apple, it needs to give patches back | Mar 07 13:42 |
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| oiaohm | Apple ipod, iphone. What is common about way MS is trying to do to live | Mar 07 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Apple focus is building hardware that people will use + DRM they make a good profit. | Mar 07 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Even doing patent deals under the table is the same as what Apple did when it hit the wall. | Mar 07 13:44 |
| oiaohm | MS is coping Apple a lot at moment. | Mar 07 13:44 |
| MinceR | i think they're both foolish and scared. | Mar 07 13:46 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: buying small FLOSS companies isn't "sharing resources" | Mar 07 13:47 |
| MinceR | it's plain old fashioned microsoft-style acquisition. | Mar 07 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Apple did right | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Software is a commodity | Mar 07 13:48 |
| MinceR | and of course apple doesn't have to be a loss for linux, but they do want to be | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | They make hardware unique | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Branding power and all | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | And the software is just a complement | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Linux to H-P, Intel and IBM | Mar 07 13:48 |
| MinceR | they're unwilling to work with anyone outside the company | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Sell hardware, make the platform added value | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sells nothing | Mar 07 13:48 |
| MinceR | and they want to exploit FLOSS and then kill it | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Iit LICENCES | Mar 07 13:48 |
| schestowitz | If phone makers and OEMs no longer LICENSE from MS, it's fried | Mar 07 13:49 |
| schestowitz | OOo licensing is lax and SaaS is just plug-and-play (address bar) | Mar 07 13:49 |
| MinceR | apple is profiting from BSDL-ed code and at the same time they're patent trolling | Mar 07 13:49 |
| schestowitz | For most people who just write letters and maybe put taxes in spreadsheet this is fine | Mar 07 13:49 |
| schestowitz | It's the MOOX files sent to them (sometimes by stupid govts) that acts as monopoly imposer | Mar 07 13:50 |
| MinceR | so they believe they have the right to profit from the work of others but they don't need to give anything back | Mar 07 13:50 |