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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 7th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:40 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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MinceR and that’s why apple must die. Mar 07 13:50
schestowitz And in a weak economy, forget about it… Office is now becoming free+ads (ads model) Mar 07 13:50
schestowitz MinceR: Apple can’t patent-troll Mar 07 13:50
schestowitz Technicallty speaking Mar 07 13:50
MinceR well, they do patent FUD all the time Mar 07 13:51
schestowitz Because they don’t buy patents, they write stuff up based on ideas or code Mar 07 13:51
schestowitz Call it patent aggressor Mar 07 13:51
MinceR they act like they’ve invented everything while in reality they steal everything from others Mar 07 13:51
schestowitz People who chose lawyers over engineers Mar 07 13:51
MinceR i’ll call them assholes who deserve to die. Mar 07 13:51
MinceR also, if it weren’t for apple, the gnome HIG might actually make sense Mar 07 13:52
MinceR and i wouldn’t have to deal with randomly scrambled dialog boxes and hidden options Mar 07 13:52
MinceR and i wouldn’t have to click “Continue without Saving” when what i really mean is “Quit without saving” Mar 07 13:52
MinceR btw, usian politicians are still idiots: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Mar 07 13:53
oiaohm Apple has over there time invented lots of things. Mar 07 13:54
oiaohm Most of Microsoft invents are to fix there own oversites. Mar 07 13:54
MinceR well, they didn’t invent the things they most loudly keep claiming ownership of Mar 07 13:56
MinceR consider their patent FUD against Palm, for example Mar 07 13:56
schestowitz *LOL* http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy… Mar 07 13:57
MinceR they didn’t even plan to go court, they just tried to harm their competitor with lies. Mar 07 13:57
schestowitz And you can’t say how old the Grand Canyon really is. It might offend people. Mar 07 13:57
oiaohm Apple did invent some of the tech Palm has used. Mar 07 13:57
MinceR schestowitz: it was created last Thursday, just like the rest of the world. :> Mar 07 13:57
schestowitz ‘Invest’? Mar 07 13:57
schestowitz “Invent”? Mar 07 13:57
oiaohm Create Mar 07 13:57
MinceR which one? Mar 07 13:57
MinceR also, let’s not forget that palm invented a few things crApple used Mar 07 13:58
MinceR they seemed to be somewhat quiet about those things Mar 07 13:58
oiaohm Font rendering to start off with is apples. Mar 07 13:59
oiaohm Apple did have the right to give palm notice just like palm has the right to give Apple notice over its patents. Mar 07 13:59
oiaohm There are cases where its normally for two companies to be aggressively threaten each other before deciding that rules of MAD have to be followed. Mar 07 14:00
MinceR and we all know the official way to do so is openly telling half-lies to the press. Mar 07 14:01
MinceR just keep defending crApple if it makes you feel better. Mar 07 14:01
oiaohm MinceR: Patent law is a prick. Mar 07 14:01
Omar871 Seriously guys, I find it even a dirtier tactic that a company throws its fans in hallucinative dreams just in order to cover its wounds and try to appear like a hero in front of ‘em. Mar 07 14:01
MinceR oiaohm: so is apple. Mar 07 14:01
oiaohm Its patent law. Mar 07 14:02
oiaohm If you say that you are using there patents and they are using yours.  You defence can be stuffed. Mar 07 14:02
MinceR so, next excuse coming up: ‘DURRRR HURRRRRRR they’re businesses and businesses are allowed to do anything!’ Mar 07 14:02
oiaohm So purely you give notice they give notice to you and that is how it goes. Mar 07 14:02
oiaohm They both decides on that its MAD to do anything. Mar 07 14:02
MinceR you do realize “notice” is normally done via mail, right? Mar 07 14:03
oiaohm Ie Muturally assured destruction. Mar 07 14:03
oiaohm Normally to be legally solid it has to be done publicly MinceR Mar 07 14:03
schestowitz Omar871: yes, that’s Microsoft Mar 07 14:03
oiaohm Yes the annoying requirements of Patent law. Mar 07 14:03
schestowitz Commit crime, pay for PR Mar 07 14:03
MinceR oiaohm: yes, an agreement between companies must be done publicly. what was i thinking? Mar 07 14:04
oiaohm Even the notice Mar 07 14:04
schestowitz They also used association with KIDS Mar 07 14:04
MinceR it’s not like they keep secrets about their agreements normally Mar 07 14:04
MinceR oh, wait Mar 07 14:04
MinceR they do!\ Mar 07 14:04
MinceR s/.$// Mar 07 14:04
oiaohm As per normal press see notice and goes overboard. Mar 07 14:04
MinceR schestowitz: crApple and m$ alike do that Mar 07 14:04
MinceR oiaohm: and this isn’t the first time we see apple (or jobs, for that matter) tell lies, either Mar 07 14:05
oiaohm Note MAD agreement is not a formal agreement between the companies. Mar 07 14:05
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oiaohm MAD agreement is basically formed by both companies threating each other then not going deeper into legal enforcement. Mar 07 14:06
oiaohm It allows that the patents you have have still be enforced. Mar 07 14:06
oiaohm Stupidlity of patent law. Mar 07 14:07
oiaohm Only thing you have to do to keep you patents not nuked is threat to use them on people useing them. Mar 07 14:07
oiaohm If you don’t enforce your patents they can be argued as public domain. Mar 07 14:07
oiaohm Yes stupidity of patent law MinceR Mar 07 14:08
oiaohm It directly promotes companies threatening each other. Mar 07 14:08
schestowitz Monopolies too Mar 07 14:09
schestowitz With legal depts Mar 07 14:09
oiaohm Patent law directly promotes lots of thing people class as bad behaviour. Mar 07 14:10
MinceR so, does patent law directly promote campaigning for sw patent laws in other countries too? Mar 07 14:12
MinceR like apple and microsoft backed BSA in doing? Mar 07 14:12
MinceR so they might threaten more companies because the poor things are forced to by evil, nasty patent law they didn’t want? :> Mar 07 14:13
oiaohm Apple and Microsoft and a lot of other companues backing software patents see it as a way to save themselves from being taken under by open source. Mar 07 14:13
oiaohm Ie a way to still make money after closed source software is gone. Mar 07 14:14
oiaohm Some things are basic trying to stay alive as well MinceR Mar 07 14:15
MinceR so the way they can save themselves is by destroying FLOSS Mar 07 14:15
MinceR but that doesn’t seem to stop them from cashing in on it first Mar 07 14:15
MinceR yes, that’s what i call ethical behavoir. Mar 07 14:15
MinceR s/oi/io/ Mar 07 14:15
oiaohm Destroying no. Mar 07 14:15
oiaohm Controlling yes. Mar 07 14:16
MinceR oiaohm: apparently the way they see it, it’s either us or them. Mar 07 14:16
MinceR well, i’ve made my choice. Mar 07 14:16
MinceR whose side are you on? Mar 07 14:16
oiaohm I see it as foolishness Mar 07 14:16
MinceR if they control it, it isn’t FLOSS anymore Mar 07 14:16
oiaohm Software patents are more risky to them. Mar 07 14:16
oiaohm Than to FLOSS Mar 07 14:16
MinceR nobody will create sw to distribute libre if they’re instantly taken over by a patent bully the moment they give it to someone else. Mar 07 14:17
MinceR or worse, just sued into bankruptcy in that moment Mar 07 14:17
oiaohm Same can apply to a closed source software maker. Mar 07 14:17
oiaohm That is the problem they have overlooked. Mar 07 14:17
MinceR well, sw patents also make small sw companies impossible Mar 07 14:17
oiaohm Patent Trolls could grined the complete software industry to a stand still. Mar 07 14:18
MinceR apple and m$ use all means (including the most unethical ways — ones they seem to prefer) they can to eliminate competition Mar 07 14:18
oiaohm Note trolls with no interest in helping anyone. Mar 07 14:18
MinceR microsoft has some patent trolls in their pocket Mar 07 14:18
MinceR they’re coming out of the woodwork now. Mar 07 14:18
oiaohm So do a lot of companies MinceR Mar 07 14:18
MinceR oh, and that makes it all right Mar 07 14:18
MinceR “equally evil”, right? Mar 07 14:19
MinceR (except that it’s far from equal) Mar 07 14:19
oiaohm What is the long term effects. Mar 07 14:19
MinceR the long term effect is that either m$ and crApple die Mar 07 14:19
MinceR or the rest of the industry does. Mar 07 14:19
oiaohm No Mar 07 14:19
MinceR but at least with the products of the rest of the industry, i can actually do some work Mar 07 14:19
oiaohm Either M$ or Apple  and anyone else backing software patents.  Or everyone dies. Mar 07 14:20
oiaohm No speciall acceptions here. Mar 07 14:20
MinceR even then, it’s obvious who should die Mar 07 14:20
oiaohm Trolls who independant to Apple and MS are currently fighting to block patent reform. Mar 07 14:21
oiaohm They don’t want to lose there cash stream. Mar 07 14:21
oiaohm There is a lot more evil in the patent game than Apple and MS. Mar 07 14:21
oiaohm Part of the problem is staying alive. Mar 07 14:22
oiaohm Microsoft started the stupid idea that software patents would save them from 0 prices software. Mar 07 14:22
MinceR a lot of that evil is backed by m$ Mar 07 14:22
MinceR probably exactly like SCO is. Mar 07 14:22
oiaohm SCO is a Novell setup. Mar 07 14:23
MinceR iirc they were paid by m$ so they could keep suing even when they ran out of money. Mar 07 14:23
MinceR but anyway, m$ and novell are the same thing Mar 07 14:23
oiaohm Here you go from Novell all the rights to Unix we can transfer.  Forgetting to tell SCO they key ones they cannot transfer because they lost the right to in the BSD case. Mar 07 14:23
oiaohm SCO fell for it hook line and sinker. Mar 07 14:24
oiaohm Compared to Novell.  Apple is angellic. Mar 07 14:24
oiaohm Microsoft and Novell deserve each other. Mar 07 14:27
trmanco UAC Whitelist Hole In Windows 7: https://slashdot.org/article… Mar 07 14:28
PetoKraus ^^ Mar 07 14:28
PetoKraus oh god, this VNC delay is killing me Mar 07 14:28
PetoKraus trmanco: nice one Mar 07 14:29
trmanco thank the /. AIM bot :-P Mar 07 14:29
oiaohm There are many holes in UAC Mar 07 14:31
oiaohm Simplest of all is services Mar 07 14:31
oiaohm With SCO Novell plan was simple.  If SCO could extract money they could step in and take it and kill one of there compettors.  If SCO could not make money from it.  Still step in and kill one of there competitors. Mar 07 14:33
oiaohm With SCO Novell had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Mar 07 14:33
PetoKraus /. aim bot? Mar 07 14:34
PetoKraus well yeah i guess Mar 07 14:35
oiaohm http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/04/msi-w…  Hmm instant on race is kinda starting up. Mar 07 14:37
MinceR compared to novell, apple is the same crap. Mar 07 14:43
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MinceR 153652 < trmanco> thank the /. AIM bot :-P Mar 07 14:43
MinceR aimbot? :> Mar 07 14:43
benJIman schestowitz: openSUSE has never had a fixed 6 month release cycle. In fact most releases have been longer. Mar 07 14:45
benJIman I can think of only 2 releases that had a 6 month or shorter cycle. Mar 07 14:45
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schestowitz benJIman: “As a six-month release schedule is not something we consider feasible to maintain high-quality standards, we are proposing a fixed eight-month schedule” Mar 07 14:51
schestowitz Some were 6 months apaer Mar 07 14:52
schestowitz *apart Mar 07 14:52
schestowitz Match 2008: 11.0 Mar 07 14:52
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schestowitz Oops. Even later Mar 07 14:53
schestowitz Then one in Xmas Mar 07 14:53
schestowitz 11.1 Mar 07 14:53
schestowitz So around 6 months Mar 07 14:53
schestowitz 10.3: Oct 2007. Mar 07 14:53
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trmanco MinceR, yes Slashdotomatic Mar 07 15:15
schestowitz Felony Charge For Craigslist Prank < http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ar… > “A similar Craigslist prank has triggered a criminal probe of a Texas man who allegedly posed as a female acquaintance and posted a Valentine’s Day ad offering sexual favors. “ Mar 07 15:21
schestowitz They go after the real criminals, don’t they? Why aren’t they cracking down on the Big Crime, which is run from places like Redmond? Mar 07 15:21
schestowitz Pranks and pot keep policemen busy while Microsoft bribes and fuels companies to sue a rival for a billion dollars Mar 07 15:22
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[H]omer Hello folks Mar 07 15:38
[H]omer What’s new? Mar 07 15:38
schestowitz Microsoft is SCO2 Mar 07 15:40
schestowitz Just like PJ had surmised Mar 07 15:40
[H]omer Well that’s not surprising :) Mar 07 15:40
schestowitz You know the next stage. Mar 07 15:41
schestowitz Chapter Ballmer Mar 07 15:41
schestowitz Apple might be SCO3 Mar 07 15:41
[H]omer Stalker Smith will be wiping the egg off his face, right about now (“Microsoft only patent’s defensively”) Mar 07 15:42
schestowitz :-) Mar 07 15:42
schestowitz        >”egg off his face” Mar 07 15:43
schestowitz He has a boyfriend? Mar 07 15:43
[H]omer What do you know about setting up SSL certs Roy? Mar 07 15:43
[H]omer I’m trying to set up something here Mar 07 15:43
schestowitz Not much, never set that up. I use cpanel Mar 07 15:43
[H]omer hmm Mar 07 15:43
[H]omer This is a pain Mar 07 15:43
benJIman schestowitz: Because 6 months was one of the proposals, not because that was what was used before. Mar 07 15:43
schestowitz benJIman: The separation increases Mar 07 15:44
benJIman As I said there were two that were approximately 6 months but that was just a coincidence, it varies between 5 and 10 months. Mar 07 15:44
schestowitz Recent releases? Mar 07 15:44
benJIman Yeah. Mar 07 15:44
schestowitz [H]omer: take snit’s advise and find a “user-friendly” Apple-like G00ui Mar 07 15:45
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schestowitz The Decline and Fall of Robert Scoble < http://valleywag.gawker.com/5165644/the-dec… >. Good riddance. Mar 07 16:02
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trmanco loool Mar 07 16:16
trmanco he is one twitter Mar 07 16:16
trmanco on Mar 07 16:17
schestowitz Someone says: “This account has started suddenly after 5 years of inactivity.http://slashdot.org/~gearheadsmp/comments I wonder what its about.” Mar 07 16:17
schestowitz “That’s the first one in months and only the second in 5 years.  Revived accounts are …” Mar 07 16:18
MinceR lol @ mentioning apple and user-friendly on the same day Mar 07 16:38
trmanco has anybody ever heard em php-gtk? :-P Mar 07 17:14
trmanco sounds very promising Mar 07 17:14
MinceR except for the php part? :> Mar 07 17:15
trmanco http://www.extremetech.com/article2/… Mar 07 17:26
trmanco that is the best part Mar 07 17:26
trmanco http://gtk.php.net/ Mar 07 17:26
trmanco it still a side project of PHP Mar 07 17:26
trmanco it’s* Mar 07 17:26
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trmanco http://blogs.zdnet.com/s… Mar 07 17:28
neighborlee Please be aware that Boycott Novell is written by either a troll or an idiot. I’m not sure which yet, though Hanlon’s Razor makes the decision for me < nice guy , isnt he ;) Mar 07 17:29
schestowitz Hey, neighborlee Mar 07 17:31
schestowitz Took you a long time to return. Did you try to remove Mono from SLED? ;-) Mar 07 17:31
schestowitz Difficulty level: higher than LFS on BlueGene Mar 07 17:32
schestowitz neighborlee: URL? Mar 07 17:33
neighborlee pasting Mar 07 17:35
neighborlee sorry as on phine Mar 07 17:35
neighborlee one Mar 07 17:35
neighborlee http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.ph… Mar 07 17:35
schestowitz neighborlee: you should not use TomTom to defend your contention that Mono is poison because: 1) Microsoft is suing over use of Linux; 2) It implants de facto standards like FAT, makes a promise not to sue, and then sued anyway (causing problems due to dependency at a low level, thus hard to remove) Mar 07 17:35
neighborlee ive been very busy lately so I hadn’t been fllowing latest mono stuff Mar 07 17:35
trmanco http://xkcd.com/528/ Mar 07 17:36
neighborlee schestowitz: tomtom ? Mar 07 17:36
schestowitz Anyway, that’s the core of the new argument, which blasts the Mono lovers Mar 07 17:36
schestowitz neighborlee: yes, catch up with the news. I’ll get you links Mar 07 17:36
neighborlee if you mean tomboy Mar 07 17:36
neighborlee tomboy is poison becuse gnome is using it Mar 07 17:36
schestowitz http://discuss.itwire.com/viewt… Mar 07 17:37
neighborlee ok, ye smaybe im very out of date LOL Mar 07 17:37
schestowitz No, tomtom, not tomboy Mar 07 17:37
schestowitz brb Mar 07 17:37
neighborlee WEIRD Mar 07 17:37
neighborlee ok Mar 07 17:37
schestowitz I’ve got to go now. bbl Mar 07 17:40
neighborlee ok have fun,I ll look into tomtom np at all Mar 07 17:40
neighborlee take care Mar 07 17:41
neighborlee schestowitz: ok np,,I responded to his pure vitriol by posting that link you gave me; eyes wide open ;)) Mar 07 17:53
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PetoKraus hello guys Mar 07 18:53
Balrog hello Mar 07 19:27
Balrog be right back.. need to reboot Mar 07 19:27
Balrog but tomtom vs. ms is real and clearly shows what MS wants. Mar 07 19:28
Balrog and the mainstream linux sites are starting to realize this Mar 07 19:29
Balrog ok I’m around now Mar 07 19:38
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amarsh04 hi Balrog Mar 07 20:04
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schestowitz Balrog: I’m not entirely sure that’s the only intention. it’s multi-facted Mar 07 20:19
schestowitz *faceted Mar 07 20:19
schestowitz And as SCO shows, one of those ‘facets’ when you sue a rival is that customers ditch you and you’re toast. Mar 07 20:19
Balrog certainly Mar 07 20:59
trmanco KDE 4 beauty -> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.co… Mar 07 21:03
schestowitz Nice. I love his work. Mar 07 21:04
*schestowitz pinheiro’s artwork installed on KDE 3.5 at home and work Mar 07 21:04
schestowitz http://dot.kde.org/2009/03/05… (KOffice 2.0 Beta 7 Released) Mar 07 21:06
schestowitz No signs of Mono or C# in this digest of patches. http://commit-digest.org/iss… Mar 07 21:11
schestowitz “The researchers found three pieces of evidence that showed people, on what is now the northern steppes of the country of Kazakhstan, were riding and milking horses about 5,500 years ago, over one thousand years earlier than previously thought by scientists.” http://www.itwire.com/content/… Mar 07 21:12
schestowitz Excellent analysis from OSI on Microsoft’s latest patent plot. < http://opensource.org/node/399 > Mar 07 21:13
schestowitz How long will Americans wait for economic change?  < http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ECONO… > Mar 07 21:15
trmanco the latest fiasco in Portugal -> A computer program called Gcompris has syntactical and grammatical errors, and journalists are making a lot noise without hearing what both sides have to say about this Mar 07 21:15
schestowitz I heard about it. Mar 07 21:15
schestowitz Where it the fiasco? Mar 07 21:15
trmanco they are also making up a false story stating that the person who translated the program had only 4 years of school Mar 07 21:16
schestowitz You mean like those people who made storage work on paper? Mar 07 21:16
schestowitz (Fraud) Mar 07 21:16
trmanco and the person who translated the program has a PhD in philosophy and something related to computers Mar 07 21:16
schestowitz Found it: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/… Mar 07 21:17
trmanco this was discovered by a “retired” politician, just to defend his interests Mar 07 21:18
schestowitz “Vole said that it will not be fixing a critical Excel vulnerability, which allows attackers to launch malicious code remotely on users’ computers via an infected Excel spreadsheet file.” http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… Mar 07 21:18
schestowitz Politicians these days are lawyers. They monopolised it Mar 07 21:18
schestowitz I’ve gotten some E-mails this afternoon about monopoly abuse and SAP Mar 07 21:19
schestowitz Not only Microsoft is dying with the ‘licensing’ mode Mar 07 21:19
schestowitz “I’ll be giving the final morning keynote at OSBC, the Open Source Business Conference, in San Francisco on March 25. The title of my talk will be “Open Source, Linux, and a Smarter Planet”.” http://www.sutor.com/newsite/bl… << Microsoft will poison this event also Mar 07 21:20
trmanco microsoft started dead from the beginning Mar 07 21:21
schestowitz Not quite Mar 07 21:21
schestowitz It corrupted the law though Mar 07 21:21
trmanco they didn’t even create DOS from scratch Mar 07 21:21
schestowitz Billy’s mom got a contrat with the monopoliser (IBM) Mar 07 21:21
schestowitz And Billy’s dad was busy with his buddies changing laws and stuff. Mar 07 21:21
schestowitz Letter to lobbyists Mar 07 21:21
schestowitz Losses of $18 billion in 199 Mar 07 21:22
schestowitz 1889 Mar 07 21:22
schestowitz 1998 Mar 07 21:22
schestowitz And the pyramid scheme had only just begun. Mar 07 21:22
schestowitz Mythology for the ages speaks about a knight on a white MS horse “Bringing Computers to the Masses” Mar 07 21:23
schestowitz What’s that Greek name of the man who killed his dad so that he can sleep with his mother? Mar 07 21:23
trmanco no idea, I hate philosophy Mar 07 21:25
schestowitz Oh, I found it: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~l… Mar 07 21:25
trmanco I associate the greeks to philosophy, so… Mar 07 21:25
schestowitz Oedipus Mar 07 21:25
trmanco ua Mar 07 21:25
trmanco weird name as always Mar 07 21:26
schestowitz All the Week links redirect me to FP of week europe or something. What happens when you click this? http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Virtualization/Microsof… Mar 07 21:29
trmanco schestowitz, I see you got a boost in followers Mar 07 21:29
Balrog well now it’s much more obvious what MS is trying to do Mar 07 21:30
trmanco at least 3 of them are portuguese :-P on from Brazil :-P Mar 07 21:30
trmanco one* Mar 07 21:30
schestowitz IBM’s Vice President of Linux links to Bn :-) Mar 07 21:30
Balrog show me Mar 07 21:31
Balrog (link Mar 07 21:31
Balrog ) Mar 07 21:31
schestowitz trmanco: does the link work for you? Mar 07 21:31
trmanco schestowitz, what link? Mar 07 21:31
schestowitz Balrog: some news picks. Also see the blogroll of Weir. Mar 07 21:31
trmanco the Greek  one? Mar 07 21:31
schestowitz trmanco: the eweek one Mar 07 21:32
trmanco oh Mar 07 21:32
schestowitz For several days it has been redirecting Mar 07 21:32
schestowitz I enabled JS too, to no avail. Mar 07 21:32
trmanco schestowitz, “Can Virtualization Make Red Hat Linux Desktop Pay?” Mar 07 21:32
schestowitz I’ll purge cookies Mar 07 21:32
Balrog that’s what I get Mar 07 21:33
schestowitz Weird Mar 07 21:34
schestowitz It redirects me even in Konqy Mar 07 21:34
schestowitz TO http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/ Mar 07 21:34
Balrog doesn’t happen here. Mar 07 21:34
schestowitz Maybe localisation gone wrong Mar 07 21:34
Balrog something with your IP address? Mar 07 21:34
schestowitz Yes Mar 07 21:34
Balrog :/ Mar 07 21:34
trmanco Mininova Hit By Massive DDoS Attack http://torrentfreak.com/minino… Windows botnets? Mar 07 21:34
schestowitz Since about 3 days ago Mar 07 21:34
schestowitz trmanco: Ballmer Youth Mar 07 21:35
trmanco youth? Mar 07 21:35
trmanco LOL Mar 07 21:35
schestowitz http://www.fsdaily.com/Oppositi… Mar 07 21:36
trmanco People who use Windows need to start using condoms on there computer Mar 07 21:36
schestowitz They raise kids to hate Free software and love patents Mar 07 21:36
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schestowitz Hey, Mike Mar 07 21:36
MrMidland Hi Mar 07 21:36
MrMidland Roy Mar 07 21:36
schestowitz Remy might be going out tonight Mar 07 21:36
schestowitz If so, will you join? Mar 07 21:36
schestowitz Do me a quick favbour, open this link: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Virtualization/Mi… Mar 07 21:37
schestowitz Does it go to http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/ ? Mar 07 21:37
MrMidland I have a ten k in the morning in Lichfield, a nice town, so need early night, thanks though, btw you are welcome to come along if you like, i can pick you up Mar 07 21:37
MrMidland yes it does Mar 07 21:38
schestowitz No running for me. Mar 07 21:39
schestowitz MrMidland: thanks, they have an error Mar 07 21:39
schestowitz They send UK IPs to the wrong place. Site error Mar 07 21:39
Balrog works here Mar 07 21:39
Balrog :/ Mar 07 21:39
Balrog yeah it’s messed up Mar 07 21:39
Balrog then Mar 07 21:39
schestowitz I’ll use a proxy until they resolve it Mar 07 21:39
schestowitz MrMidland: I found lots of good videos Mar 07 21:40
MrMidland good Mar 07 21:40
schestowitz This one’s decent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2… Mar 07 21:40
trmanco MontaVista Launches Meld Community, Supports Moblin: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Mo… Mar 07 21:41
schestowitz Moblin — yuck! Mar 07 21:42
schestowitz Intel needs to be out of business. Mar 07 21:42
schestowitz MontaVista supports them now? I know Wind River did (e.g. in automobiles push) Mar 07 21:43
amarsh04 schestowitz, I get the eweek story ok about virtualisation Mar 07 21:44
schestowitz Yes, but UK IPs get sent for _all articles_ to the UK site (front page) Mar 07 21:44
schestowitz Same in Ireland Mar 07 21:44
schestowitz I’ve just tried from my server in there. Mar 07 21:44
schestowitz Actually, the server is down in London, the host is Irish Mar 07 21:45
schestowitz http://browsershots.org/ > “The server at www.eweek.com sent a HTTP redirect. Your web address has been updated. Please try again.” Mar 07 21:45
schestowitz So it affects Germany too Mar 07 21:45
schestowitz See http://browsershots.org/http://www.ew… Mar 07 21:47
trmanco http://vps.goukihq.org/uptime.txt Mar 07 21:49
schestowitz “Wind River’s 4Q Linux bookings, meanwhile, grew 48 percent year over year, says the company.” < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3623706496.html > What recession?? Mar 07 22:03
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Balrog What’s the story with VxWorks? Mar 07 22:07
Balrog (wind river UNIX) Mar 07 22:07
schestowitz Why BuisnessWeek is the SUX: “However the analyst believes Symbian’s switch to open source will help the Symbian Foundation maintain its leadership over Android, Linux and Microsoft over the next few years. ” http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/con… Mar 07 22:08
schestowitz Like Dana Blankenhorn, they think that Android id built from scratch or something. Mar 07 22:08
schestowitz Balrog: UNIX down, Linux up. At least it’s a sign of the times. Mar 07 22:08
Balrog yes. Mar 07 22:08
Balrog but many are still using VxWorks … it’s popular for embedded stuff Mar 07 22:09
schestowitz NASA Mar 07 22:10
PetoKraus brb Mar 07 22:11
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schestowitz Green Olympics Planned for London in 2012 http://www.pcworld.com/article/160879/g… pr ‘fluff’ Mar 07 22:32
amarsh04 Sydney Olympics were supposed to be “green” also Mar 07 22:33
schestowitz It’s like “Green” planes or “friendly” fire Mar 07 22:35
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PetoKraus but playing without friendly fire is not cool Mar 07 22:37
schestowitz http://www.freewebs.com/pskeli… Mar 07 22:38
trmanco Firefox reached 838 million downloads on 2009-03-07 22:39 UTC Mar 07 22:42
PetoKraus whee Mar 07 22:43
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schestowitz Nokia’s Eureka moment: Nokia May Drop DRM from its Music Service < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160887/n… > Mar 07 22:45
MinceR CamperStrike? Mar 07 22:45
schestowitz Over 1 of these download was from PearlyG Mar 07 22:45
schestowitz *downloads Mar 07 22:45
schestowitz PetoKraus: AdBlock with a price tag: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php… Mar 07 22:47
PetoKraus i know Mar 07 22:47
schestowitz Business models for news sites are kaput Mar 07 22:48
schestowitz He gets readership sold out to IDG for something meager. Mar 07 22:48
schestowitz The economy of abundance. Mar 07 22:48
Balrog what about adblock+flashblock, anyone? Mar 07 22:55
Balrog ahh … first amazon, then apple, now nokia…… Mar 07 22:56
Balrog (well hopefully nokia) Mar 07 22:56
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/20… Mar 07 22:57
schestowitz Yay! Techcorat is back!! Mar 07 22:57
schestowitz This prevents hundreds of 404s from BN and also leave my comments there in tact Mar 07 22:58
trmanco next step after PHP -> Ruby Mar 07 22:58
trmanco http://tryruby.hobix.com/ Mar 07 22:58
schestowitz I asked him to do this.. just mailed him (“Thanks for bringing it back.”) Mar 07 22:59
schestowitz trmanco: didn’t Ruby lose momentum. Mar 07 23:00
trmanco don’t know, but I agree with some people stating it’s beautiful and artistic Mar 07 23:01
trmanco GitHub was built on Ruby Mar 07 23:01
trmanco http://github.com/languages Mar 07 23:05
trmanco yep, Ruby is my next victim Mar 07 23:06
trmanco Python can wait Mar 07 23:06
MinceR python > ruby Mar 07 23:06
*schestowitz tried to find a graph Mar 07 23:06
schestowitz Hmmmmmm… http://ninjamurai.com/blog/tag/c/ Mar 07 23:08
schestowitz I thought I had seen clear indications of Ruby losing steam somewhere. I guess it was also an article. Either way, as I remember it, for Ruby the honeymoon is over Mar 07 23:08
schestowitz I had dinner with the FSFE in 2006 and one of the guys there was talking about how it was taking off and recently I’ve heard that Python is indeed gaining a lot, particularly on the server where so-called ‘clouds’ reside. Mar 07 23:09
schestowitz This blog can make you fall asleep very fast: http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2009/… Mar 07 23:11
trmanco Python is horrendous, looks ugly and it’s confusing… but yes it is very power full Mar 07 23:11
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mib_3wy8wj mono fails Mar 07 23:11
schestowitz +1 Mar 07 23:11
mib_3wy8wj And that was all. Mar 07 23:12
schestowitz trmanco: what do you mean by “ugly”/ Mar 07 23:12
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trmanco schestowitz, it’s syntax Mar 07 23:12
schestowitz Yes, pythons are ugly. http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/… Mar 07 23:12
trmanco I’ll give you and example Mar 07 23:13
trmanco an* Mar 07 23:13
*trmanco finds some source code Mar 07 23:13
MinceR no, ruby is horrendous and ugly Mar 07 23:13
MinceR python is mostly beautiful Mar 07 23:13
schestowitz http://www.bentbay.dk/dyr/e… Mar 07 23:13
trmanco MinceR, hehe, programming language wars :-P Mar 07 23:15
trmanco looks at this -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gwibber-c… looks like crap, no offense though, the devs are doing a great job Mar 07 23:15
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/conte… “If he had have done then the small detail that Schiefer had been convicted of being a botnet builder, spreading malware to some 250,000 computers in the process. According to Mahalo CEO Jason Calacanis they have a rigorous hiring process in place.” Mar 07 23:16
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schestowitz oiaohm: morning. Mar 07 23:16
schestowitz trmanco: looks fine to me Mar 07 23:17
schestowitz Perl is harder to read Mar 07 23:17
trmanco never tried perl Mar 07 23:17
PetoKraus yeahwoe Mar 07 23:17
PetoKraus nonstandard letters on the keyboard part 3 Mar 07 23:18
PetoKraus Δ aka capital delta; μ aka small mu; π aka pi! Mar 07 23:18
PetoKraus love xmodmap Mar 07 23:18
trmanco LOL Mar 07 23:18
oiaohm How things going schestowitz Mar 07 23:18
PetoKraus (if your client does not display it correctly, you are a wank for not using unicode) Mar 07 23:19
trmanco 0×42 Mar 07 23:19
*trmanco presses that button starting now -> HMM, IT WURKZ Mar 07 23:19
oiaohm http://torrentfreak.com/audio…  Who said the analog flaw could not be covered. Mar 07 23:20
trmanco “wanted a scripting language that was more powerful than Perl, and more object-oriented than Python” Mar 07 23:22
oiaohm PHP Mar 07 23:23
oiaohm Yes it can be used as a scripting language Mar 07 23:23
trmanco that’s a quote from the creator of Ruby Mar 07 23:24
trmanco yeah, but for now, I’m still sticking with php Mar 07 23:25
schestowitz oiaohm: all right. Tired though Mar 07 23:31
schestowitz gn Mar 07 23:32
trmanco Personal Home Page wow Mar 07 23:34
trmanco PHP I guess Mar 07 23:34
oiaohm http://www.php.net/  << No coding language trmanco Mar 07 23:38
trmanco scripting language Mar 07 23:38
trmanco I think you can also use php as a coding language, it already has gtk bindings Mar 07 23:39
oiaohm Ruby and PHP both have there different advantages. Mar 07 23:40
trmanco don’t know, I just rushed through the basic of ruby Mar 07 23:41
trmanco basics* Mar 07 23:41
oiaohm PHP if what you are doing could be used with a web server in future it simpler to fine providers providing PHP than RUBY Mar 07 23:42
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