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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 20th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:20 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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*schestowitz almost done watching this excellent talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-… Mar 20 00:56
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twitter word down?  Again?  ha ha Mar 20 01:05
twitter like the Wine in your Windows, so you can Windows while you Windows. Mar 20 01:05
twitter That and DosBox are the only way to run older programs. Mar 20 01:06
twitter at least the only way to run Windows programs on Windows. Mar 20 01:06
twitter That idiot Bill Gates keeps killing older software. Mar 20 01:06
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twitter Like the link about Sony undercutting Kindle with public domain. Mar 20 01:11
PeterFA You could virtualize ReactOS. Mar 20 01:11
xamox does the EFF have an official IRC channel? Mar 20 01:12
twitter I don’t know ReactOS.  How’s it doing these days? Mar 20 01:12
twitter You could virtualize Windows too. Mar 20 01:13
twitter barf Mar 20 01:13
twitter you are probably better off with wine Mar 20 01:14
twitter and an OS that does not suck Mar 20 01:14
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balzac xamox Mar 20 02:52
xamox Balzac, yo Mar 20 02:53
balzac you’re a Drupal-ista, right? Mar 20 02:53
xamox yerp Mar 20 02:53
xamox hrm Mar 20 02:53
balzac cool, are you enjoying Drupal 6? Messing around with Drupal 7? Mar 20 02:53
xamox To be honest I haven’t used d6 too much Mar 20 02:53
xamox Haven’t even touched 7 Mar 20 02:54
xamox I’m old school 4.7 and 5 guy Mar 20 02:54
balzac man, Drupal 6 is a big upgrade Mar 20 02:54
balzac I’m lovin’ it ™ Mar 20 02:54
xamox Yeah, I’ve played with views 2 some, and it kicks ass Mar 20 02:54
balzac no kidding Mar 20 02:54
balzac and CCK with relationships between content types is sweet Mar 20 02:54
xamox I still hang out CCK channel Mar 20 02:54
xamox sorry Mar 20 02:55
balzac Drupal has finally come of age with v6 Mar 20 02:55
xamox haha Mar 20 02:55
xamox drupal Mar 20 02:55
xamox I read CCKk and typed it Mar 20 02:55
xamox YEah, that’s what I was waiting for Mar 20 02:55
balzac relational data-structure integration Mar 20 02:55
xamox so what exactly is this channel Mar 20 02:55
balzac enterprise sh__ Mar 20 02:55
xamox I was looking to see if EFF has a channel Mar 20 02:55
balzac it’s about snubbing microsoft Mar 20 02:56
xamox well Mar 20 02:56
balzac good question Mar 20 02:56
xamox I’m in Mar 20 02:56
xamox haha Mar 20 02:56
xamox This is what came up in google results Mar 20 02:56
balzac yeah, microsoft has come bearing “gifts” laden with software patent hooks Mar 20 02:56
xamox Well I do have butt love for vista Mar 20 02:56
xamox j/k Mar 20 02:57
xamox haha Mar 20 02:57
balzac Novell is their agent and enterprise SUSE is their trojan horse Mar 20 02:57
xamox Actually I did recently get vista for dx10 support and games Mar 20 02:57
xamox ohh god Mar 20 02:57
balzac you mean the Vista the porn slut? Mar 20 02:57
xamox I fucking hate it Mar 20 02:57
xamox seriously Mar 20 02:57
xamox Annoying pop ups Mar 20 02:57
xamox “Program has quit responding….” Mar 20 02:57
xamox ummm Mar 20 02:57
xamox no it hasn’t Mar 20 02:58
xamox I’m using it Mar 20 02:58
xamox my USB Mar 20 02:58
xamox audio Mar 20 02:58
balzac http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/pe…  <– Sierra Vista is no spring chicken Mar 20 02:58
xamox like when you plug in and out, ding dong ding dong, wouldn’t stop. Had to disable all system sounds to get it to stop, even though nothing was plugged in USB Mar 20 02:58
xamox balzac, ohh, god she is a hottie Mar 20 02:59
xamox haha Mar 20 02:59
balzac Vista 7 is going to suck, but not in a good way. Mar 20 02:59
balzac Microsoft is not like viagra, it will leave you hanging Mar 20 03:00
xamox this is news I saw recently that I didn’t like to hear at all: Mar 20 03:00
xamox http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/cyb… Mar 20 03:00
balzac sementech is a security protection racket subsidized by micro-limp Mar 20 03:01
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xamox yeah, I like my family sends out these e-mails Mar 20 03:04
xamox virus scare e-mails Mar 20 03:04
xamox viruses are coming Mar 20 03:04
xamox So I’ll tell them to just install linux, it’s free, and basically impossible to get a virus on. Mar 20 03:05
balzac A Microsoft insider for Homesec is like having an incompetent person working for a orwellian police state bureaucracy. Mar 20 03:05
balzac oh wait, that’s no analogy, that’s exactly what it is. Mar 20 03:05
balzac xamox: compromised versions of Linux such as enterprise SUSE, engineered by Microsoft-subsidized Novell is probably built to support viruses. Mar 20 03:06
xamox haha Mar 20 03:07
xamox don’t tell me your one of those right wing nuts Mar 20 03:07
xamox because I am too Mar 20 03:07
xamox muhahaha Mar 20 03:07
xamox Yeah, what article was I just reading too, about microsoft trying to sue… Mar 20 03:08
xamox umm, what are they called Mar 20 03:08
xamox Tom Tom Mar 20 03:08
balzac well, to be fair, even Enterprise SUSE is GNU/Linux, but they add a bunch of proprietary junk to it, so I’m hesitant to mention the venerable name of GNU in reference to a product from M$/Novell Mar 20 03:08
xamox for violating patent laws. Mar 20 03:08
balzac yep Mar 20 03:08
balzac patent-law applied to software… That’s ridiculous. Mar 20 03:09
xamox yeah for sure Mar 20 03:09
xamox now you know why I’m looking for the EFF channel Mar 20 03:09
xamox haha Mar 20 03:09
balzac I’m not taking the bait for either of the “wings”, right or left. Mar 20 03:10
xamox I’m buffalo wing baby Mar 20 03:10
xamox with a side of ranch Mar 20 03:10
balzac good question though, does EFF have a freenode channel? Mar 20 03:10
xamox I can’t seem to find one Mar 20 03:11
xamox it would be nice though Mar 20 03:11
balzac surely they have an IRC channel, perhaps on their own network like Mozilla. Mar 20 03:11
xamox I looked around didn’t see much Mar 20 03:11
xamox nothing on their site Mar 20 03:11
balzac I have a channel on freenode Mar 20 03:11
balzac ##bawd is my channel Mar 20 03:11
balzac please join it and read the topic Mar 20 03:11
xamox k Mar 20 03:11
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oiaohm Hmm schestowitz you might have to look at spliting news from articals. Mar 20 04:23
oiaohm The news is that much at monent its kinda drowning the articals. Mar 20 04:23
oiaohm Boy I hate the lag in showing afk status. Mar 20 04:26
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schestowitz Maybe I should test an upgrde of WordPress with cache/ Mar 20 06:52
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schestowitz I will attempt to set up good caching in WordPress by setting up a separate copy aside and then test an upgrade on it (for compatibility, etc.). This ought to work. :-) Mar 20 07:08
oiaohm ought to work.  3 words I fear. Mar 20 07:22
schestowitz I work on it Mar 20 07:26
schestowitz I’m testing on a duplicate Mar 20 07:27
schestowitz Because I have very crucial plugins Mar 20 07:27
oiaohm I hope a local duplicate. Mar 20 07:27
oiaohm Not on the same server. Mar 20 07:27
oiaohm Ie the test bench of the o my @(&)! events. Mar 20 07:28
oiaohm Yes the test server here does as o my @(&)! written on it here. Mar 20 07:30
oiaohm http://www.groklaw.net/article.p…  << Let the war begin. Tomtom vs Microsoft. Mar 20 07:33
oiaohm Legal firm taking up Tomtom side is not known for ever settling a case.  They will sue it out.  Not the legal firm you would want to be facing. Mar 20 07:35
schestowitz Why not on the same server? Mar 20 07:36
oiaohm Just in case you have screwed something up badly and cause a overload event schestowitz Mar 20 07:37
oiaohm Only the prototype setup gets nuke not the production Mar 20 07:37
schestowitz Overload? Mar 20 07:37
oiaohm Too much memory allocation and the like schestowitz Mar 20 07:37
schestowitz I doubt this case happen by just testing something aside Mar 20 07:37
oiaohm Somethat that triggers linux save it self process. Mar 20 07:38
schestowitz I copy the db Mar 20 07:38
schestowitz then create another copy of wp Mar 20 07:38
oiaohm Yes Linux kernel has that nice feature.  Will kill anything running when overloaded to attempt to save it self. Mar 20 07:38
schestowitz Then connect it to the other db Mar 20 07:38
schestowitz Sort of emulate an upgrade on the dry Mar 20 07:39
schestowitz the BN database is over 100MB now Mar 20 07:40
oiaohm http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer  << This event schestowitz Mar 20 07:40
oiaohm Something that you could trip of something is screwed up really badly. Mar 20 07:41
*schestowitz looks Mar 20 07:42
oiaohm Unstand the reason why need for personal server at home to test things now schestowitz. Mar 20 07:48
schestowitz Rarely a necessity unless you do this often Mar 20 07:48
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*schestowitz upgrades test db Mar 20 08:03
schestowitz *ping oiaohm Mar 20 08:10
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schestowitz Cool. My most crucial plugin is compatible: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/… Mar 20 08:27
*schestowitz upgrades in-place. Don’t visit BN right now, please. Mar 20 08:32
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schestowitz Obama CIO’s ‘youthful indiscretion’: shirt thieving < Obama CIO’s ‘youthful indiscretion’: shirt thieving > Mar 20 08:39
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/… (Adobe patches old PDF software to combat new exploits) Mar 20 08:43
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schestowitz Another company gets ‘relabeled’: Cisco hoovers up gadget company  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… > Mar 20 08:48
schestowitz wp-cache now installed Mar 20 09:00
schestowitz I mistakenly had two posts marked “private” Mar 20 09:13
oiaohm schestowitz: was afk.  After the stuff ups I have seen rule better safe than sorry applies schestowitz. Mar 20 09:28
oiaohm I have been thinking about the redhat patent.  It is really a double standard redhat takes out a patent on a open protocal.   Others have blocked opensource from using open protocals due to patents before. Mar 20 09:29
oiaohm Its only fair that Closed source misses out sometimes. Mar 20 09:29
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schestowitz Yes, I know. Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz The whole Red Hat thing is bitterness from rivals Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz But it needs to be heard Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz oiaohm: upgrade was very successful so far Mar 20 09:36
oiaohm Closed source rivals Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz The new version is very good to Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz oiaohm: imatrix Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz *tto Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz *too Mar 20 09:36
schestowitz I intend to spend lots of time checking the site’s state today Mar 20 09:37
oiaohm In theory you jumped a step. Mar 20 09:37
oiaohm Local server presure test then put live and monitor. Mar 20 09:37
oiaohm Ok not like the sites I deal with that are online shops so you can get away with a mistake more. Mar 20 09:38
oiaohm http://www.linuxdevices.co…  << Now tht company is pushing trademarks schestowitz Mar 20 09:40
oiaohm tht/that Mar 20 09:40
schestowitz oiaohm: I had issues Mar 20 09:41
schestowitz With temporary/test site Mar 20 09:41
schestowitz Because I have CMS in main dir Mar 20 09:41
schestowitz So it interprets anything under it as part of it… .htaccess and all. Mar 20 09:41
schestowitz So I couldn’t quite test it on a separate copy Mar 20 09:42
schestowitz I just head first and it seems to have been all OK Mar 20 09:42
oiaohm See in 6 hours time. Mar 20 09:42
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, I saw this Chinese company, I think Mar 20 09:42
schestowitz Mac clones. Mar 20 09:42
schestowitz Would work in China Mar 20 09:42
schestowitz More Linux users Mar 20 09:42
schestowitz oiaohm: will do. I am still playing with it hard… Mar 20 09:43
schestowitz Stress testing it Mar 20 09:43
schestowitz Load is not increasing Mar 20 09:43
schestowitz I set up cache Mar 20 09:43
schestowitz The way is works though is not perfect, so I need to change parameters Mar 20 09:43
oiaohm Look closer schestowitz Mar 20 09:43
oiaohm The logo is backwards. Mar 20 09:43
schestowitz It caches pages by creating static copies that expire within an hour Mar 20 09:43
oiaohm It is possiable legal in some countries. Mar 20 09:44
schestowitz This does not help much when delivering pages from the archives to crawlers Mar 20 09:44
schestowitz So ideally I should be able to cache old pages almost permanently. Mar 20 09:44
schestowitz oiaohm: HAHA! Didn’t notice that Mar 20 09:44
schestowitz :-) Mar 20 09:44
schestowitz Chinese companies are taking the p*ss out of trademark law Mar 20 09:45
oiaohm Really should check if MS logo is registered mirrored. Mar 20 09:45
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oiaohm If its not you could have a lot of fun most people would not notice the difference. Mar 20 09:46
schestowitz Good, average load is not declining gradually. (sql load) Mar 20 09:49
oiaohm If you can watch memory usage on the server I would. Mar 20 09:50
oiaohm Its normally the bigger sign of something going majorly wrong than cpu load. Mar 20 09:51
oiaohm Ie happens first. Mar 20 09:51
schestowitz Ahh.. good point Mar 20 09:57
schestowitz “Memory Used  41 %” Mar 20 09:58
schestowitz That’s the typical load in quiet times Mar 20 09:58
schestowitz “Server Load0.87 (4 cpus)” Mar 20 09:58
schestowitz So far, so good. Mar 20 09:58
oiaohm Thinking it is the oom killer that is more likely to hit first. Mar 20 09:59
schestowitz The upgrade hardly inflated anything in the DB Mar 20 09:59
oiaohm Yes moo backwards. Mar 20 09:59
schestowitz :-) Mar 20 09:59
*schestowitz checks if caching works Mar 20 10:00
oiaohm Does that explain the cow jokes in apt. Mar 20 10:00
schestowitz http://wordpress.org/ext… Mar 20 10:00
schestowitz “WP-Cache is an extremely efficient WordPress page caching system to make you site much faster and responsive. It works by caching Worpress pages and storing them in a static file for serving future requests directly from the file rather than loading and compiling the whole PHP code and the building the page from the database.” Mar 20 10:00
oiaohm Yep just read. Mar 20 10:01
oiaohm It falls into what I was after for site a cache so php is not running as often. Mar 20 10:01
schestowitz As with another site of mine, the upgrade breaks the “view as PDF” option Mar 20 10:05
schestowitz Weird. Novell.com ads appear in BN. That’s not supposed to happen Mar 20 10:14
schestowitz http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o… (Red Hat claims patent on SOAP over CGI?[->]) Mar 20 10:15
oiaohm That is the thing redhat holds a lot of strange patents as well. Mar 20 10:25
schestowitz It’s important to keep it know either way Mar 20 10:29
schestowitz I notice that after version 2.0 of WordPress, functions can\t take as argument the input of post # without “Sorry, no posts matched your criteria. “ Mar 20 10:29
schestowitz Something changed in the internals somewhere around 2.1+ Mar 20 10:30
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zer0c00l when can i expect BN to work normal? Mar 20 11:08
schestowitz zer0c00l: is it not normal? Mar 20 11:11
schestowitz You mean technically or in terms of posting speed? Mar 20 11:12
zer0c00l posting speed Mar 20 11:12
zer0c00l technically perfect as far as now Mar 20 11:12
zer0c00l i see only http://boycottnovell.com/200… Mar 20 11:12
schestowitz Yes, give me time Mar 20 11:14
schestowitz I am also mending my personal site, schestowitz.com Mar 20 11:15
schestowitz Some plugins and hacks I did broke with upgrades Mar 20 11:15
schestowitz Anyway, i can’t be held back by too many things. I want to catch up with news. Mar 20 11:15
schestowitz The upgrade seems like a good success so far. The admin panel is a lot richer and I enabled caching, which reduced the MySQL load (I can see it gradually declining). I removed the “view as PDF” option, which broke with this upgrade. Mar 20 11:17
schestowitz My host replied re VPS: “Hope you are well. We cant actually offer Linux VPS at the moment I am afraid, but we hope to be able to soon, however we have just rolled out a new slightly higher end VMware platform if that would be of interest.” Mar 20 11:19
schestowitz “The prices on that would start at around £75/month for an entry level server, if that’s within your budget please let me know.” I guess that’s not /too/ bad, but let’s see if I can scale where we already are. Mar 20 11:19
schestowitz trmanco: Trolls recess in COLA, did you notice? Mar 20 11:28
schestowitz The Real AIG Scandal http://www.slate.com/id/2213942/ Mar 20 11:39
oiaohm http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/…  Pitty no Linux this year. Mar 20 11:44
oiaohm http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog…  One guy did really well 15000 dollars for less than 1 hours work. Mar 20 11:45
schestowitz It’s good for Linux Mar 20 11:49
oiaohm No linux. Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Would you rather people tinkered with it. Maybe they don’t bother because it was victorious last year Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Ubuntu won Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Mac OS X went down first (Safari flaw), then Vista. Mar 20 11:50
oiaohm Yep attackers complain its too hard. Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Ubuntu was left solid Mar 20 11:50
oiaohm You have to break two levels. Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Ye Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Yes Mar 20 11:50
oiaohm To truly own a Ubuntu. Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Apps are easier Mar 20 11:50
schestowitz Though many Firefox flaws don’t affect Linux Mar 20 11:50
oiaohm Windows and Mac OS X default users can simpley get higher without a password. Mar 20 11:51
schestowitz Ubuntu=humanity to others, but not to crackers Mar 20 11:51
oiaohm Windows is the worse really.   Even as an limited account there is a way out. Mar 20 11:51
schestowitz Windows would lose compatibility/apps advantage if it rebuilds Mar 20 11:51
schestowitz Vista was an attempt at this Mar 20 11:51
schestowitz Broke many apps, didn’t gain security! Mar 20 11:51
oiaohm Vista completely forgot about services Mar 20 11:52
schestowitz Longhorn collapse though Mar 20 11:52
oiaohm Where most of the windows major secuirty holes are. Mar 20 11:52
schestowitz Ye Mar 20 11:52
schestowitz *yes Mar 20 11:52
*schestowitz annoyed by BN caching in front page. This makes is hard to edit and see changes Mar 20 11:53
oiaohm Also does not help that a lot of games install root kits on windows either. Mar 20 11:54
schestowitz For ‘security’ Mar 20 11:54
oiaohm Really Mar 20 11:54
schestowitz Financial security of devs Mar 20 11:54
oiaohm Lot of the game are simple pivilage lifters. Mar 20 11:54
oiaohm So system can be inspected. Mar 20 11:54
oiaohm Not even correctly secured againt running your own code. Mar 20 11:55
schestowitz http://www.heise.de/english/ne… Mar 20 11:55
schestowitz “Safari was the first to fall this week at the Pwn2Own 2009 security competition held at the CanSecWest conference in Vancouver, Canada. The competition, sponsored by TippingPoint Technologies, awards a prize for each vulnerability found on various mobile phone platforms and internet browsers.” Mar 20 11:55
oiaohm TippingPoint bring out the best in the above board flaw finders. Mar 20 11:57
oiaohm http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/b…  Day 2 did not go that well Mar 20 12:00
oiaohm Not a single phone fully cracked and not many bothered turning up. Mar 20 12:00
oiaohm That not many bothered turnning up means a lot were not sure they could get them. Mar 20 12:01
schestowitz Oh drat Mar 20 12:01
schestowitz The new WordPress GUI ruins one of my processes — one where I can pick up many related posts. Mar 20 12:02
oiaohm :) under 6 hours hitting minor bugs.  Could have predicted that. Mar 20 12:03
schestowitz No technical problem. let me explain Mar 20 12:10
schestowitz The GUI is simpler, it’s beautiful Mar 20 12:10
schestowitz But it hides more information like post IDs. So I can’t CTRL-select many IDs at once. Mar 20 12:11
schestowitz To me, it’s a usability issue affecting power users… think along the lines of not allowing people to highlight certain texts in KDE GUI to ‘make it cleaner’ or ‘simpler’. Did you know that you can CTRL+C a Windows error message from GUIs BTW? Mar 20 12:12
oiaohm Yes. Mar 20 12:13
oiaohm I do windows support.  I really get pissed with them sending me screen shots. Mar 20 12:13
oiaohm Yes Linux person supporting windows not a good thing at times. Mar 20 12:13
schestowitz Fancy GUIs get in the way Mar 20 12:17
schestowitz Shading effects and stuff for what used to be drag-and-drop Mar 20 12:17
schestowitz Back in vi :-) Mar 20 12:17
oiaohm Gnome bug buddy is nice networks to support. Mar 20 12:18
oiaohm All the data you could want is collected. Mar 20 12:18
oiaohm And sent to the support people without end users having to know much Mar 20 12:18
oiaohm KDE Mac and Windows both have a way to go on that. Mar 20 12:18
oiaohm Opps all three Mar 20 12:19
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schestowitz oiaohm: yes, I agree. KDE swats bugs pretty quickly though, based on KDE4 Mar 20 12:34
Eruaran hullo Mar 20 12:36
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oiaohm Hi Eruaran Mar 20 12:38
schestowitz Hey there. Mar 20 12:38
schestowitz BN has come back with extra FU. New WordPress version. (2.0.11->2.7.2) Mar 20 12:39
Eruaran http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian_g… Mar 20 12:39
schestowitz Eruaran: it was in /., IIRC Mar 20 12:39
schestowitz Then Wikileaks went down Mar 20 12:39
schestowitz I sqw twits about conspiracies, re: wikileaks Mar 20 12:39
schestowitz And I think Wikileaks is censored partly in AU now. Mar 20 12:40
schestowitz Could be just a rumour, but I think it was substantiated. Mar 20 12:40
oiaohm wikileaks is working here. Mar 20 12:41
Eruaran working here Mar 20 12:41
oiaohm ACMA is basically starting to treat internet like tv. Mar 20 12:42
oiaohm Something to be regulated. Mar 20 12:43
schestowitz Yes, of course Mar 20 12:46
schestowitz To ‘secure’ the public Mar 20 12:46
schestowitz Rather than, say… the people who run the country and their interests Mar 20 12:46
schestowitz In older days, in the US, they said explicitly that they need to capture “the minds of men” Mar 20 12:47
schestowitz It’s easier to control the minds than it is to control by force. Information on the Net — however true — can lead people to outrage Mar 20 12:47
oiaohm ACMA its one of these entities that have even censored goverment websites and goverment advertising for being in breach. Mar 20 12:48
oiaohm Think more CIA class enity but in control of media schestowitz. Mar 20 12:49
oiaohm Goverments piss it off there adveristments will get tied up in red tape. Mar 20 12:50
oiaohm ACMA does what is in ACMA best interest. Mar 20 12:51
oiaohm Goverment suggested the idea of internet filters.   So ACMA is doing it because that way it can get more resources. Mar 20 12:52
oiaohm Note no law special was passed for the $11000 fines to web sites.  ACMA went to court and argued and won that the internet was no different to any other media so fines for being in breach with videos and text applied to the internet. Mar 20 12:54
oiaohm This is were the idea of scaring ACMA into backing down is not going to work. Mar 20 12:54
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schestowitz oiaohm: CFR maybe, not CIA, but there might be overlap Mar 20 12:57
schestowitz They are very open with regards to their intent, but most people would never explore Mar 20 12:57
oiaohm ACMA provides all licences to use radio bandwith.  Contains all rights to block content.   Even has the right to call for raids searching for illegal videos. Mar 20 12:59
oiaohm Issue here CFR powers are very limited compared to ACMA. Mar 20 12:59
oiaohm I forget ACMA also works with customs on what videos and the like is allowed into Australia. Mar 20 13:02
oiaohm Anyway you think that you can get content into Australia ACMA and the power to reach out and block. Mar 20 13:03
oiaohm and/has Mar 20 13:03
oiaohm They have no legal requirement to disclose what they are blocking. Mar 20 13:03
oiaohm Even to the goverment of the day. Mar 20 13:04
oiaohm This is why I said like CIA of Media.  Just like CIA they don’t have any goverment oversite to keep them in check. Mar 20 13:04
oiaohm Also they cannot be charged for blocking the wrong things either schestowitz Mar 20 13:06
oiaohm Messing with something like that is a very careful process. Mar 20 13:06
oiaohm Only oversite current goverment has is the size of the ACMA budget. Mar 20 13:09
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schestowitz Wow. This is Orwellian stuff. Mar 20 13:16
schestowitz oiaohm: yesterday David gerard was here. Mar 20 13:16
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schestowitz He handles Wikipedia in the UK for the large part and they too had such issues (IWF) Mar 20 13:17
MinceR j0 Mar 20 13:17
schestowitz I suppose you heard about Killer Virgin and the UK losing access to portions of Wikipedia… Mar 20 13:17
oiaohm Wikipedia from memory is USA for storage.  So that leaves 4 data paths.  China Asia Australia and basically straight to EU from USA. Mar 20 13:19
oiaohm China path is blocked. Mar 20 13:19
oiaohm 4 locations fall and USA is isolated. Mar 20 13:19
oiaohm Internet is not as strong and lot of these trouble makers think. Mar 20 13:20
schestowitz Where are the main Wikipedia servers? Mar 20 13:27
schestowitz Holland? Mar 20 13:28
oiaohm Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., P.O. Box 78350, San Francisco, 94107-8350, United States  I would guess USA. Mar 20 13:32
oiaohm Thinking that is the contact information for the wikipedia servers. Mar 20 13:32
schestowitz zoobab01: check out http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/2… Mar 20 13:34
schestowitz oiaohm: the server I am assigned to is in The Netherlands. Mar 20 13:34
oiaohm Wikipedia does have global mirrors. Mar 20 13:38
oiaohm http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk…  Netherlands would also be right for one of the crossing cables from the USA to EU. Mar 20 13:40
oiaohm Yes a big bomb going off in some shipping channels would cause major internet problems. Mar 20 13:41
oiaohm Also note how few fiber connections there are into Australia. Mar 20 13:43
oiaohm Its why ACMA has the means really to filter everything entering australia.  Link locations are limited. Mar 20 13:45
schestowitz Proxies are hard to block Mar 20 13:52
schestowitz Esp. if you encrypt Mar 20 13:52
schestowitz They play with fire Mar 20 13:52
oiaohm Really not. Mar 20 13:55
oiaohm I have run business networks.  With encrypted protocals blocked. Mar 20 13:55
oiaohm This is the issue the level a system admin can go to is far more than what most people think. Mar 20 13:56
schestowitz Someone recommended to me: http://www.newssift.com/about.jsp this new tool. I needed to enable JS to make it work. I try http://www.newssift.com/results.jsp… Looking for the RSS feed Mar 20 13:56
schestowitz oiaohm: Heh. Encrypted bad, transparent good. Mar 20 13:57
oiaohm http://arstechnica.com/security/news…  Intel not having a good week Mar 20 13:57
schestowitz Remember the days when scientists tried to make connections secure and private Mar 20 13:57
oiaohm transparent how. Mar 20 13:57
schestowitz Secure to /US/ is not secure to /THEM/ (auth) Mar 20 13:57
schestowitz oiaohm: open to sniffing Mar 20 13:58
oiaohm Hidding in https is not invisable. Mar 20 13:58
schestowitz Intel’s profit fell 90% in last quarters Mar 20 13:58
schestowitz ATOM helps Intel NOT AT ALL Mar 20 13:58
schestowitz But ARM makes PCs now Mar 20 13:58
oiaohm How do you develop a auto script to detect if a user is trying to use a hidden proxy. Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz $139 MIDs in China Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz Intel has Moblin Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz But how can it compete on these price points? Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz Same with Windows (XP) Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz $5 Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz oiaohm: auth=me lazy to type authorities Mar 20 13:59
oiaohm Its really simple look for users with all traffic going to 1 website that is not known if it is or is not a proxy. Mar 20 13:59
oiaohm Yes users are dumb enough to give away what hidden proxies they are using. Mar 20 14:00
*schestowitz writes about Linux winning Pwn2Own Mar 20 14:00
oiaohm This is where you screw up just because a proxy is working does not mean the actions of using are not giving away its existance. Mar 20 14:00
oiaohm Its little bit like the myth that people have that tor is untrackable. Mar 20 14:01
schestowitz Yes, assuming nodes are hidden Mar 20 14:09
*schestowitz got a reply from the European Commision Mar 20 14:09
schestowitz *ssion Mar 20 14:09
oiaohm Tor is trackable as long as you have a link at both ends. Mar 20 14:12
oiaohm Stuff in middle is not important.  One they a Tor connection cannot change is the unchangable nature of time. Mar 20 14:13
oiaohm If I can find the nodes or not is truly not important. Mar 20 14:13
oiaohm Again actions provide trace schestowitz Mar 20 14:17
schestowitz ]/me has never used TOR Mar 20 14:17
schestowitz I set up a Web proxy on my server though, for testing purposes (e.g. blacklists, page testing, surfing from another country to detect localisation errors) Mar 20 14:18
oiaohm Idea that something is hidden is only true until you start using it and risk making a spotable signal. Mar 20 14:18
oiaohm Hidden something in the internet is just like trying to hide a radio single. Mar 20 14:19
oiaohm Little bit of carelesses and its existance is there for all to see. Mar 20 14:19
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schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8281 (Army Continues Anti-Explosive PR…) Mar 20 14:51
schestowitz Criminals using PR agents to deflect criticism < http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-d… >. Chris Brown too use a PR agent after hitting his girlfriend, Rihanna. Mar 20 14:53
schestowitz Harlan Ellison ANGRILY Sues Paramount Over His Old “Star Trek” Script < http://www.fictioncircus.com/new… > Mar 20 14:56
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schestowitz benJIman: Stephan Binner has just posted to opensuse-announce. What’s up with opensuse-planet? It’s nice that some people stay to help despite Hovsepian stealing their wage and sacking them. Mar 20 15:16
Eruaran TomTom tells Microsoft to get lost; Countersues – http://www.crn.com/software/215901395 Mar 20 15:21
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/161… Mar 20 15:21
schestowitz “That concerned Linux supporters, who worried that Microsoft might make good on past statements that it owns many patents for technologies used in Linux. But Microsoft said open source is not the focal point of its suit against TomTom. The case is about TomTom’s specific implementation of the Linux kernel, Microsoft said.” Mar 20 15:22
schestowitz I have a post in BN about the suit too. Mar 20 15:22
schestowitz Eruaran: thanks, I’ll add the CRN ref Mar 20 15:22
Eruaran Microsoft is always lieing Mar 20 15:23
schestowitz Yes. Mar 20 15:26
schestowitz Galring recent example: Mar 20 15:26
schestowitz November 2008 (give or take a month): Microsoft says no layoffs are coming Mar 20 15:26
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Eruaran Got a company meeting tomorrow Mar 20 15:35
Eruaran Linux Mint is on the menu Mar 20 15:36
Eruaran I put it there ;) Mar 20 15:36
schestowitz 2009 and still in fear of using new hardware in GNU/Linux! < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/a… > always works for me. Mar 20 15:37
Eruaran Its not often we run into hardware problems with Linux these days Mar 20 15:39
Eruaran You’re more likely to find Asus have stuffed up their motherboards again and you need a BIOS update just to get them to work properly with Kingston RAM… Mar 20 15:40
schestowitz GNOME is gittin’ jiggy wit it: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane… Mar 20 15:41
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schestowitz Win for GNU/Linux: HP refunds 520$ for unused software < http://ernstfamily.ch/jonatha… > Mar 20 15:44
schestowitz Keyboard layouts you can’t use (because of intellectual monopolies): http://lwn.net/Articles/324232/ Mar 20 15:46
Eruaran I wouldn’t buy a HP notebook in the first place. The quality isn’t good enough, nor is the warranty. Mar 20 15:48
Eruaran They sell expensive notebooks with a pitiful 1 year warranty. They can get stuffed, I’m not advising anyone to buy that crap. Mar 20 15:49
Eruaran The only brand that does 1 year warranties (and only on their low end) that I’d sell to someone is BenQ, because I know their motherboards wont die when the system is 13 months old. Mar 20 15:50
Eruaran I send a nasty email to HP just recently Mar 20 15:51
Eruaran After trying to get warranty service from HP for 6 months, someone who is now our client, gave up on HP and paid us to repair his faulty notebook for him. Mar 20 15:52
Eruaran Those pathetic bastards wouldn’t replace a faulty hard drive Mar 20 15:53
Eruaran If it was Asus, the notebook would have a new hard drive and he’d get it back within 24 hours. Mar 20 15:54
Eruaran We told him to take HP to small claims court but in the end he said he didn’t want the hassle and just wanted it fixed. Mar 20 15:55
Eruaran At one stage we dealt directly with HP ourselves over it. I found myself abusing some witless moron on the phone asking him why he thinks HP’s hard drive tests are better than Seagates. Mar 20 15:56
Eruaran HP’s own tests picked up no faults, so they wouldn’t replace it. Test the same hard drive with Seagate’s tools, and the hard drive failed every time. Mar 20 15:57
Eruaran EVERY TIME Mar 20 15:57
Eruaran The customer was losing data, his notebook was slow and behaving wierd… clear cut, straightforward… but no… Mar 20 15:58
Eruaran NEVER buy from HP Mar 20 15:58
schestowitz Check this out: “Linux-based custom interface will appeal to a limited audience; won’t work with most of your existing software.” http://reviews.cnet.com/laptop… Mar 20 15:59
schestowitz Are they assuming that everyone uses Windows? Mar 20 15:59
schestowitz Or that no-one will install another version of Linux? Mar 20 15:59
schestowitz HP played a role in Vista collusion it seemed Mar 20 16:00
Eruaran translation: wont do exe files Mar 20 16:00
schestowitz They were mentioned in April 2008 Mar 20 16:00
schestowitz Then it was shown that they got angry at Microsoft Mar 20 16:00
Eruaran Its Ubuntu, just install Wine Mar 20 16:00
schestowitz Eruaran: exactly. Program=EXE Mar 20 16:01
schestowitz Compuuter=Windows Mar 20 16:01
schestowitz Linux=alien Mar 20 16:01
Eruaran When I think of “flexability and familiarity” I don’t think of Windows Mar 20 16:01
Eruaran It has 512MB of RAM Mar 20 16:02
Eruaran What Windows software does CNet think they’re going to run on that these days ? Mar 20 16:03
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Eruaran Good grief Mar 20 16:14
Eruaran PC World, “Firefox May Already Be Dead” Mar 20 16:14
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Eruaran Why does anyone pay any attention to retards like these Mar 20 16:15
schestowitz CNET has deals with Mirosoft Mar 20 16:17
schestowitz They also promote Vista for cash Mar 20 16:17
schestowitz Asay wrote about it Mar 20 16:17
schestowitz He works for them, pretending to be covering FOSS Mar 20 16:17
schestowitz Eruaran: whose article? Mar 20 16:17
schestowitz SJVN wrote something Mar 20 16:17
schestowitz I doubt they renamed it though. PCWorld = IDG (Microsoft puppet) Mar 20 16:17
Eruaran http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… Mar 20 16:18
Eruaran Let me guess… Keir Thomas was comparing the Chrome alpha on Ubuntu with FF 3 and not FF 3.1/5 Mar 20 16:19
Eruaran The article has no useful information in it at all Mar 20 16:22
Eruaran And no redeeming qualities Mar 20 16:22
schestowitz Gets them visits, so they are happy Mar 20 16:24
schestowitz Provocation against Firefox users maybe. Mar 20 16:24
*schestowitz didn’t read it (feed it) Mar 20 16:24
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Eruaran He links to another article telling how Firefox 3.1 beta is slower than other browsers… from December last year… everyone knows the current beta is much faster Mar 20 16:25
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schestowitz Eruaran: yes, it is. Mar 20 16:27
schestowitz Firefox is a leader because of extensions either way Mar 20 16:27
schestowitz Some would enumerate and add security, but on GNU/Linux it hardly differs Mar 20 16:27
Eruaran He also links to /. Mar 20 16:28
Eruaran Mar 20 16:28
schestowitz I don’t like /. Mar 20 16:28
schestowitz I actually view it as hostile, unlike GL Mar 20 16:28
Eruaran Where you’ve got hundreds of people agreeing with him who are just comparing Chromium with their current version of FF Mar 20 16:28
Eruaran Is this what Ubuntu is creating ? Dumb linux users ? Mar 20 16:29
schestowitz Chromium? Mar 20 16:29
schestowitz For what? Windows? Mar 20 16:29
schestowitz I hardly care about that. Mar 20 16:30
schestowitz And Microsoft can cheat with hidden calls/APIs, as usual Mar 20 16:30
schestowitz Like it did to Netscape Mar 20 16:30
Eruaran People are using the current alpha of Chrome Mar 20 16:30
Eruaran on ubuntu Mar 20 16:30
Eruaran which is Chromium Mar 20 16:30
Eruaran It just annoys me that people are making dumb and useless comparisons Mar 20 16:31
Eruaran I remember the days when, as a complete noob, Debian users would tell me to RTFM. Mar 20 16:32
schestowitz Microsoft doesn’t even do that Mar 20 16:32
schestowitz It throws you at your next-door neighbour of some paid support company Mar 20 16:33
schestowitz So Debian does better than the rest Mar 20 16:33
schestowitz Except other distros that accommodate new users. Mar 20 16:33
schestowitz Ubuntu seems intolerant of anything acidic Mar 20 16:33
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MinceR i see /. as randomly moving between friendly and hostile Mar 20 16:34
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Eruaran I have little time for /. Mar 20 16:35
schestowitz Huge new win for Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/w… Mar 20 16:35
schestowitz MinceR: yes, it has no backbone. It just accept Microsoft’s money too. Mar 20 16:36
schestowitz Superpower’s ‘Digg’: The world’s most lucrative social network? China’s Tencent beats $1 billion revenue mark < http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/19/the-w… > Mar 20 16:37
MinceR it’s still not nearly as bad as digg, though Mar 20 16:37
MinceR if only for the community. Mar 20 16:37
schestowitz IBMLaris CoC: OpenSolaris Code of Conduct <  http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/en… > Mar 20 16:39
schestowitz MinceR: s/ity/ism/ Mar 20 16:39
MinceR access denied. Mar 20 16:39
schestowitz sudo !! Mar 20 16:40
schestowitz ./d3mocracy-player.sh Mar 20 16:40
schestowitz IE8 is here, IE8 is hacked  < http://www.daniweb.com/b… > Mar 20 16:40
schestowitz Gmail Gets Undo < http://blogoscoped.com/archive… >. What next? Will Google grab a patent on that one? or a lawsuit from a troll? Mar 20 16:41
schestowitz Wow. Must-see photos: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/20… Mar 20 16:45
MinceR Password: Mar 20 16:45
schestowitz ****** Mar 20 16:45
MinceR Sorry. Mar 20 16:45
MinceR Password: Mar 20 16:45
schestowitz ****** Mar 20 16:45
MinceR Sorry. Mar 20 16:45
MinceR Password: Mar 20 16:45
schestowitz ***** Mar 20 16:45
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MinceR sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts Mar 20 16:46
schestowitz sudo reboot && fsck off Mar 20 16:46
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schestowitz “A new research report out today details the fact that, despite the global economic meltdown, over 90 percent of Americans agree that the U.S. should act rapidly to combat global warming, including 34 percent who feel the U.S. should make a large-scale effort even if it costs a lot of money.” < http://www.desmogblog.com/clima… > Mar 20 16:47
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jose_X http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Regula… Mar 20 17:21
jose_X ticketmaster had relationships to paul allen right? don’t know about live nation (live?) Mar 20 17:22
jose_X schestowitz, the title is “Regulator looks closer at Ticketmaster-Live Nation” Mar 20 17:22
jose_X it would be good down the line to rally music lovers and artists exploited by the big companies to adopt foss (that goes on now, but it would be neat to have this tie be made public and loud). Mar 20 17:23
jose_X associating exploitation of the small artist/business/user/etc with the small sw co or inventor (for patents) would be great since then the audience is larger and everyone comes along for the ride Mar 20 17:24
jose_X of course, there are many similarities here.. the political ticket may fly. Mar 20 17:25
jose_X check out this excuse: >>”Oddly, the better we sell tickets, the more unpopular we become,” Diller said. Mar 20 17:25
jose_X trying to downplay monopoly powers to appear as a victim of success and skill etc. Mar 20 17:25
jose_X schestowitz, one final item… Mar 20 17:26
jose_X ie8 apparently got a fix up very recently Mar 20 17:26
tessier_ schestowitz: http://daveshields.wordpress.com/ Mar 20 17:26
tessier_ schestowitz: Seems like an interesting guy to know. Used to work for IBM. Mar 20 17:26
jose_X i noticed yahoo line ads saying how ie8 is optimized for yahoo Mar 20 17:27
jose_X this might be an ad.. it might be a normal way for yahoo to take advantage and advertize their site.. Mar 20 17:27
jose_X but it might hint at a closer relationship building between yahoo and ms Mar 20 17:27
schestowitz Hey, jose_X Mar 20 17:28
jose_X hey Mar 20 17:28
schestowitz tessier / tessier_: I see his blog sometimes Mar 20 17:29
jose_X if it was an ad, i got the feeling it was a yahoo ad.. the link (sorry, don’t have it) was to one of those page saying that ie8 is not supported for my platform but please try our yahoo toolbar, etc. Mar 20 17:29
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    Debates about the contract of Jouve with the EPO overlook the elephants in the room, which include companies that are established and run by former EPO chiefs and enjoy a relationship with the EPO

  30. Depressing EPO News: Attacks on Staff, Attacks on Life, Brain Drain, Patents on Life, Patent Trolls Come to Germany, and Spain Being Misled

    A roundup of the latest developments at the EPO combined with feedback from insiders, who are not tolerating their misguided and increasingly abusive management


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