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twitterword down?  Again?  ha haMar 20 01:05
twitterlike the Wine in your Windows, so you can Windows while you Windows.Mar 20 01:05
twitterThat and DosBox are the only way to run older programs.Mar 20 01:06
twitterat least the only way to run Windows programs on Windows.Mar 20 01:06
twitterThat idiot Bill Gates keeps killing older software.Mar 20 01:06
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twitterLike the link about Sony undercutting Kindle with public domain.Mar 20 01:11
PeterFAYou could virtualize ReactOS.Mar 20 01:11
xamoxdoes the EFF have an official IRC channel?Mar 20 01:12
twitterI don't know ReactOS.  How's it doing these days?Mar 20 01:12
twitterYou could virtualize Windows too.Mar 20 01:13
twitterbarfMar 20 01:13
twitteryou are probably better off with wineMar 20 01:14
twitterand an OS that does not suckMar 20 01:14
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MinceRgnMar 20 02:06
balzacxamoxMar 20 02:52
xamoxBalzac, yoMar 20 02:53
balzacyou're a Drupal-ista, right?Mar 20 02:53
xamoxyerpMar 20 02:53
xamoxhrmMar 20 02:53
balzaccool, are you enjoying Drupal 6? Messing around with Drupal 7?Mar 20 02:53
xamoxTo be honest I haven't used d6 too muchMar 20 02:53
xamoxHaven't even touched 7Mar 20 02:54
xamoxI'm old school 4.7 and 5 guyMar 20 02:54
balzacman, Drupal 6 is a big upgradeMar 20 02:54
balzacI'm lovin' it (tm)Mar 20 02:54
xamoxYeah, I've played with views 2 some, and it kicks assMar 20 02:54
balzacno kiddingMar 20 02:54
balzacand CCK with relationships between content types is sweetMar 20 02:54
xamoxI still hang out CCK channelMar 20 02:54
xamoxsorryMar 20 02:55
balzacDrupal has finally come of age with v6Mar 20 02:55
xamoxhahaMar 20 02:55
xamoxdrupalMar 20 02:55
xamoxI read CCKk and typed itMar 20 02:55
xamoxYEah, that's what I was waiting forMar 20 02:55
balzacrelational data-structure integrationMar 20 02:55
xamoxso what exactly is this channelMar 20 02:55
balzacenterprise sh__Mar 20 02:55
xamoxI was looking to see if EFF has a channelMar 20 02:55
balzacit's about snubbing microsoftMar 20 02:56
xamoxwellMar 20 02:56
balzacgood questionMar 20 02:56
xamoxI'm inMar 20 02:56
xamoxhahaMar 20 02:56
xamoxThis is what came up in google resultsMar 20 02:56
balzacyeah, microsoft has come bearing "gifts" laden with software patent hooksMar 20 02:56
xamoxWell I do have butt love for vistaMar 20 02:56
xamoxj/kMar 20 02:57
xamoxhahaMar 20 02:57
balzacNovell is their agent and enterprise SUSE is their trojan horseMar 20 02:57
xamoxActually I did recently get vista for dx10 support and gamesMar 20 02:57
xamoxohh godMar 20 02:57
balzacyou mean the Vista the porn slut?Mar 20 02:57
xamoxI fucking hate itMar 20 02:57
xamoxseriouslyMar 20 02:57
xamoxAnnoying pop upsMar 20 02:57
xamox"Program has quit responding...."Mar 20 02:57
xamoxummmMar 20 02:57
xamoxno it hasn'tMar 20 02:58
xamoxI'm using itMar 20 02:58
xamoxmy USBMar 20 02:58
xamoxaudioMar 20 02:58
balzachttp://www.iafd.com/person.rme/pe...  <-- Sierra Vista is no spring chickenMar 20 02:58
xamoxlike when you plug in and out, ding dong ding dong, wouldn't stop. Had to disable all system sounds to get it to stop, even though nothing was plugged in USBMar 20 02:58
xamoxbalzac, ohh, god she is a hottieMar 20 02:59
xamoxhahaMar 20 02:59
balzacVista 7 is going to suck, but not in a good way.Mar 20 02:59
balzacMicrosoft is not like viagra, it will leave you hangingMar 20 03:00
xamoxthis is news I saw recently that I didn't like to hear at all:Mar 20 03:00
xamoxhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/security/cyb...Mar 20 03:00
balzacsementech is a security protection racket subsidized by micro-limpMar 20 03:01
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xamoxyeah, I like my family sends out these e-mailsMar 20 03:04
xamoxvirus scare e-mailsMar 20 03:04
xamoxviruses are comingMar 20 03:04
xamoxSo I'll tell them to just install linux, it's free, and basically impossible to get a virus on.Mar 20 03:05
balzacA Microsoft insider for Homesec is like having an incompetent person working for a orwellian police state bureaucracy.Mar 20 03:05
balzacoh wait, that's no analogy, that's exactly what it is.Mar 20 03:05
balzacxamox: compromised versions of Linux such as enterprise SUSE, engineered by Microsoft-subsidized Novell is probably built to support viruses.Mar 20 03:06
xamoxhahaMar 20 03:07
xamoxdon't tell me your one of those right wing nutsMar 20 03:07
xamoxbecause I am tooMar 20 03:07
xamoxmuhahahaMar 20 03:07
xamoxYeah, what article was I just reading too, about microsoft trying to sue...Mar 20 03:08
xamoxumm, what are they calledMar 20 03:08
xamoxTom TomMar 20 03:08
balzacwell, to be fair, even Enterprise SUSE is GNU/Linux, but they add a bunch of proprietary junk to it, so I'm hesitant to mention the venerable name of GNU in reference to a product from M$/NovellMar 20 03:08
xamoxfor violating patent laws.Mar 20 03:08
balzacyepMar 20 03:08
balzacpatent-law applied to software... That's ridiculous.Mar 20 03:09
xamoxyeah for sureMar 20 03:09
xamoxnow you know why I'm looking for the EFF channelMar 20 03:09
xamoxhahaMar 20 03:09
balzacI'm not taking the bait for either of the "wings", right or left.Mar 20 03:10
xamoxI'm buffalo wing babyMar 20 03:10
xamoxwith a side of ranchMar 20 03:10
balzacgood question though, does EFF have a freenode channel?Mar 20 03:10
xamoxI can't seem to find oneMar 20 03:11
xamoxit would be nice thoughMar 20 03:11
balzacsurely they have an IRC channel, perhaps on their own network like Mozilla.Mar 20 03:11
xamoxI looked around didn't see muchMar 20 03:11
xamoxnothing on their siteMar 20 03:11
balzacI have a channel on freenodeMar 20 03:11
balzac##bawd is my channelMar 20 03:11
balzacplease join it and read the topicMar 20 03:11
xamoxkMar 20 03:11
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oiaohmHmm schestowitz you might have to look at spliting news from articals.Mar 20 04:23
oiaohmThe news is that much at monent its kinda drowning the articals.Mar 20 04:23
oiaohmBoy I hate the lag in showing afk status.Mar 20 04:26
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schestowitzMaybe I should test an upgrde of WordPress with cache/Mar 20 06:52
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schestowitzI will attempt to set up good caching in WordPress by setting up a separate copy aside and then test an upgrade on it (for compatibility, etc.). This ought to work. :-)Mar 20 07:08
oiaohmought to work.  3 words I fear.Mar 20 07:22
schestowitzI work on itMar 20 07:26
schestowitzI'm testing on a duplicateMar 20 07:27
schestowitzBecause I have very crucial pluginsMar 20 07:27
oiaohmI hope a local duplicate.Mar 20 07:27
oiaohmNot on the same server.Mar 20 07:27
oiaohmIe the test bench of the o my @(&)! events.Mar 20 07:28
oiaohmYes the test server here does as o my @(&)! written on it here.Mar 20 07:30
oiaohmhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.p...  << Let the war begin. Tomtom vs Microsoft.Mar 20 07:33
oiaohmLegal firm taking up Tomtom side is not known for ever settling a case.  They will sue it out.  Not the legal firm you would want to be facing.Mar 20 07:35
schestowitzWhy not on the same server?Mar 20 07:36
oiaohmJust in case you have screwed something up badly and cause a overload event schestowitzMar 20 07:37
oiaohmOnly the prototype setup gets nuke not the productionMar 20 07:37
schestowitzOverload?Mar 20 07:37
oiaohmToo much memory allocation and the like schestowitzMar 20 07:37
schestowitzI doubt this case happen by just testing something asideMar 20 07:37
oiaohmSomethat that triggers linux save it self process.Mar 20 07:38
schestowitzI copy the dbMar 20 07:38
schestowitzthen create another copy of wpMar 20 07:38
oiaohmYes Linux kernel has that nice feature.  Will kill anything running when overloaded to attempt to save it self.Mar 20 07:38
schestowitzThen connect it to the other dbMar 20 07:38
schestowitzSort of emulate an upgrade on the dryMar 20 07:39
schestowitzthe BN database is over 100MB nowMar 20 07:40
oiaohmhttp://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer  << This event schestowitzMar 20 07:40
oiaohmSomething that you could trip of something is screwed up really badly.Mar 20 07:41
*schestowitz looksMar 20 07:42
oiaohmUnstand the reason why need for personal server at home to test things now schestowitz.Mar 20 07:48
schestowitzRarely a necessity unless you do this oftenMar 20 07:48
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schestowitz*ping oiaohm Mar 20 08:10
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schestowitzCool. My most crucial plugin is compatible: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/...Mar 20 08:27
*schestowitz upgrades in-place. Don't visit BN right now, please.Mar 20 08:32
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schestowitzObama CIO's 'youthful indiscretion': shirt thieving < Obama CIO's 'youthful indiscretion': shirt thieving >Mar 20 08:39
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/... (Adobe patches old PDF software to combat new exploits)Mar 20 08:43
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schestowitzAnother company gets 'relabeled': Cisco hoovers up gadget company  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... >Mar 20 08:48
schestowitzwp-cache now installedMar 20 09:00
schestowitzI mistakenly had two posts marked "private"Mar 20 09:13
oiaohmschestowitz: was afk.  After the stuff ups I have seen rule better safe than sorry applies schestowitz.Mar 20 09:28
oiaohmI have been thinking about the redhat patent.  It is really a double standard redhat takes out a patent on a open protocal.   Others have blocked opensource from using open protocals due to patents before.Mar 20 09:29
oiaohmIts only fair that Closed source misses out sometimes.Mar 20 09:29
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schestowitzYes, I know.Mar 20 09:36
schestowitzThe whole Red Hat thing is bitterness from rivalsMar 20 09:36
schestowitzBut it needs to be heardMar 20 09:36
schestowitzoiaohm: upgrade was very successful so farMar 20 09:36
oiaohmClosed source rivalsMar 20 09:36
schestowitzThe new version is very good toMar 20 09:36
schestowitzoiaohm: imatrixMar 20 09:36
schestowitz*ttoMar 20 09:36
schestowitz*tooMar 20 09:36
schestowitzI intend to spend lots of time checking the site's state todayMar 20 09:37
oiaohmIn theory you jumped a step.Mar 20 09:37
oiaohmLocal server presure test then put live and monitor.Mar 20 09:37
oiaohmOk not like the sites I deal with that are online shops so you can get away with a mistake more.Mar 20 09:38
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxdevices.co...  << Now tht company is pushing trademarks schestowitzMar 20 09:40
oiaohmtht/thatMar 20 09:40
schestowitzoiaohm: I had issuesMar 20 09:41
schestowitzWith temporary/test siteMar 20 09:41
schestowitzBecause I have CMS in main dirMar 20 09:41
schestowitzSo it interprets anything under it as part of it... .htaccess and all.Mar 20 09:41
schestowitzSo I couldn't quite test it on a separate copyMar 20 09:42
schestowitzI just head first and it seems to have been all OKMar 20 09:42
oiaohmSee in 6 hours time.Mar 20 09:42
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I saw this Chinese company, I thinkMar 20 09:42
schestowitzMac clones.Mar 20 09:42
schestowitzWould work in ChinaMar 20 09:42
schestowitzMore Linux usersMar 20 09:42
schestowitzoiaohm: will do. I am still playing with it hard...Mar 20 09:43
schestowitzStress testing itMar 20 09:43
schestowitzLoad is not increasingMar 20 09:43
schestowitzI set up cacheMar 20 09:43
schestowitzThe way is works though is not perfect, so I need to change parametersMar 20 09:43
oiaohmLook closer schestowitzMar 20 09:43
oiaohmThe logo is backwards.Mar 20 09:43
schestowitzIt caches pages by creating static copies that expire within an hourMar 20 09:43
oiaohmIt is possiable legal in some countries.Mar 20 09:44
schestowitzThis does not help much when delivering pages from the archives to crawlersMar 20 09:44
schestowitzSo ideally I should be able to cache old pages almost permanently.Mar 20 09:44
schestowitzoiaohm: HAHA! Didn't notice thatMar 20 09:44
schestowitz:-)Mar 20 09:44
schestowitzChinese companies are taking the p*ss out of trademark lawMar 20 09:45
oiaohmReally should check if MS logo is registered mirrored.Mar 20 09:45
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oiaohmIf its not you could have a lot of fun most people would not notice the difference.Mar 20 09:46
schestowitzGood, average load is not declining gradually. (sql load)Mar 20 09:49
oiaohmIf you can watch memory usage on the server I would.Mar 20 09:50
oiaohmIts normally the bigger sign of something going majorly wrong than cpu load.Mar 20 09:51
oiaohmIe happens first.Mar 20 09:51
schestowitzAhh.. good pointMar 20 09:57
schestowitz"Memory Used  41 %"Mar 20 09:58
schestowitzThat's the typical load in quiet timesMar 20 09:58
schestowitz"Server Load0.87 (4 cpus)"Mar 20 09:58
schestowitzSo far, so good.Mar 20 09:58
oiaohmThinking it is the oom killer that is more likely to hit first.Mar 20 09:59
schestowitzThe upgrade hardly inflated anything in the DBMar 20 09:59
oiaohmYes moo backwards.Mar 20 09:59
schestowitz:-)Mar 20 09:59
*schestowitz checks if caching worksMar 20 10:00
oiaohmDoes that explain the cow jokes in apt.Mar 20 10:00
schestowitzhttp://wordpress.org/ext...Mar 20 10:00
schestowitz"WP-Cache is an extremely efficient WordPress page caching system to make you site much faster and responsive. It works by caching Worpress pages and storing them in a static file for serving future requests directly from the file rather than loading and compiling the whole PHP code and the building the page from the database."Mar 20 10:00
oiaohmYep just read.Mar 20 10:01
oiaohmIt falls into what I was after for site a cache so php is not running as often.Mar 20 10:01
schestowitzAs with another site of mine, the upgrade breaks the "view as PDF" optionMar 20 10:05
schestowitzWeird. Novell.com ads appear in BN. That's not supposed to happenMar 20 10:14
schestowitzhttp://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o... (Red Hat claims patent on SOAP over CGI?[->])Mar 20 10:15
oiaohmThat is the thing redhat holds a lot of strange patents as well.Mar 20 10:25
schestowitzIt's important to keep it know either wayMar 20 10:29
schestowitzI notice that after version 2.0 of WordPress, functions can\t take as argument the input of post # without "Sorry, no posts matched your criteria. "Mar 20 10:29
schestowitzSomething changed in the internals somewhere around 2.1+Mar 20 10:30
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zer0c00lwhen can i expect BN to work normal?Mar 20 11:08
schestowitzzer0c00l: is it not normal?Mar 20 11:11
schestowitzYou mean technically or in terms of posting speed?Mar 20 11:12
zer0c00lposting speedMar 20 11:12
zer0c00ltechnically perfect as far as nowMar 20 11:12
zer0c00li see only http://boycottnovell.com/200...Mar 20 11:12
schestowitzYes, give me timeMar 20 11:14
schestowitzI am also mending my personal site, schestowitz.comMar 20 11:15
schestowitzSome plugins and hacks I did broke with upgradesMar 20 11:15
schestowitzAnyway, i can't be held back by too many things. I want to catch up with news.Mar 20 11:15
schestowitzThe upgrade seems like a good success so far. The admin panel is a lot richer and I enabled caching, which reduced the MySQL load (I can see it gradually declining). I removed the "view as PDF" option, which broke with this upgrade.Mar 20 11:17
schestowitzMy host replied re VPS: "Hope you are well. We cant actually offer Linux VPS at the moment I am afraid, but we hope to be able to soon, however we have just rolled out a new slightly higher end VMware platform if that would be of interest."Mar 20 11:19
schestowitz"The prices on that would start at around €£75/month for an entry level server, if that's within your budget please let me know." I guess that's not /too/ bad, but let's see if I can scale where we already are.Mar 20 11:19
schestowitztrmanco: Trolls recess in COLA, did you notice?Mar 20 11:28
schestowitzThe Real AIG Scandal http://www.slate.com/id/2213942/Mar 20 11:39
oiaohmhttp://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/...  Pitty no Linux this year.Mar 20 11:44
oiaohmhttp://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog...  One guy did really well 15000 dollars for less than 1 hours work.Mar 20 11:45
schestowitzIt's good for LinuxMar 20 11:49
oiaohmNo linux.Mar 20 11:50
schestowitzWould you rather people tinkered with it. Maybe they don't bother because it was victorious last yearMar 20 11:50
schestowitzUbuntu wonMar 20 11:50
schestowitzMac OS X went down first (Safari flaw), then Vista.Mar 20 11:50
oiaohmYep attackers complain its too hard.Mar 20 11:50
schestowitzUbuntu was left solidMar 20 11:50
oiaohmYou have to break two levels.Mar 20 11:50
schestowitzYeMar 20 11:50
schestowitzYesMar 20 11:50
oiaohmTo truly own a Ubuntu.Mar 20 11:50
schestowitzApps are easierMar 20 11:50
schestowitzThough many Firefox flaws don't affect LinuxMar 20 11:50
oiaohmWindows and Mac OS X default users can simpley get higher without a password.Mar 20 11:51
schestowitzUbuntu=humanity to others, but not to crackersMar 20 11:51
oiaohmWindows is the worse really.   Even as an limited account there is a way out.Mar 20 11:51
schestowitzWindows would lose compatibility/apps advantage if it rebuildsMar 20 11:51
schestowitzVista was an attempt at thisMar 20 11:51
schestowitzBroke many apps, didn't gain security!Mar 20 11:51
oiaohmVista completely forgot about servicesMar 20 11:52
schestowitzLonghorn collapse thoughMar 20 11:52
oiaohmWhere most of the windows major secuirty holes are.Mar 20 11:52
schestowitzYeMar 20 11:52
schestowitz*yesMar 20 11:52
*schestowitz annoyed by BN caching in front page. This makes is hard to edit and see changesMar 20 11:53
oiaohmAlso does not help that a lot of games install root kits on windows either.Mar 20 11:54
schestowitzFor 'security'Mar 20 11:54
oiaohmReallyMar 20 11:54
schestowitzFinancial security of devsMar 20 11:54
oiaohmLot of the game are simple pivilage lifters.Mar 20 11:54
oiaohmSo system can be inspected.Mar 20 11:54
oiaohmNot even correctly secured againt running your own code.Mar 20 11:55
schestowitzhttp://www.heise.de/english/ne...Mar 20 11:55
schestowitz"Safari was the first to fall this week at the Pwn2Own 2009 security competition held at the CanSecWest conference in Vancouver, Canada. The competition, sponsored by TippingPoint Technologies, awards a prize for each vulnerability found on various mobile phone platforms and internet browsers."Mar 20 11:55
oiaohmTippingPoint bring out the best in the above board flaw finders.Mar 20 11:57
oiaohmhttp://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/b...  Day 2 did not go that wellMar 20 12:00
oiaohmNot a single phone fully cracked and not many bothered turning up.Mar 20 12:00
oiaohmThat not many bothered turnning up means a lot were not sure they could get them.Mar 20 12:01
schestowitzOh dratMar 20 12:01
schestowitzThe new WordPress GUI ruins one of my processes -- one where I can pick up many related posts.Mar 20 12:02
oiaohm:) under 6 hours hitting minor bugs.  Could have predicted that.Mar 20 12:03
schestowitzNo technical problem. let me explainMar 20 12:10
schestowitzThe GUI is simpler, it's beautifulMar 20 12:10
schestowitzBut it hides more information like post IDs. So I can't CTRL-select many IDs at once.Mar 20 12:11
schestowitzTo me, it's a usability issue affecting power users... think along the lines of not allowing people to highlight certain texts in KDE GUI to 'make it cleaner' or 'simpler'. Did you know that you can CTRL+C a Windows error message from GUIs BTW?Mar 20 12:12
oiaohmYes.Mar 20 12:13
oiaohmI do windows support.  I really get pissed with them sending me screen shots.Mar 20 12:13
oiaohmYes Linux person supporting windows not a good thing at times.Mar 20 12:13
schestowitzFancy GUIs get in the wayMar 20 12:17
schestowitzShading effects and stuff for what used to be drag-and-dropMar 20 12:17
schestowitzBack in vi :-)Mar 20 12:17
oiaohmGnome bug buddy is nice networks to support.Mar 20 12:18
oiaohmAll the data you could want is collected.Mar 20 12:18
oiaohmAnd sent to the support people without end users having to know muchMar 20 12:18
oiaohmKDE Mac and Windows both have a way to go on that.Mar 20 12:18
oiaohmOpps all threeMar 20 12:19
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I agree. KDE swats bugs pretty quickly though, based on KDE4Mar 20 12:34
EruaranhulloMar 20 12:36
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oiaohmHi EruaranMar 20 12:38
schestowitzHey there.Mar 20 12:38
schestowitzBN has come back with extra FU. New WordPress version. (2.0.11->2.7.2)Mar 20 12:39
Eruaranhttp://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian_g...Mar 20 12:39
schestowitzEruaran: it was in /., IIRCMar 20 12:39
schestowitzThen Wikileaks went downMar 20 12:39
schestowitzI sqw twits about conspiracies, re: wikileaksMar 20 12:39
schestowitzAnd I think Wikileaks is censored partly in AU now.Mar 20 12:40
schestowitzCould be just a rumour, but I think it was substantiated.Mar 20 12:40
oiaohmwikileaks is working here.Mar 20 12:41
Eruaranworking hereMar 20 12:41
oiaohmACMA is basically starting to treat internet like tv.Mar 20 12:42
oiaohmSomething to be regulated.Mar 20 12:43
schestowitzYes, of courseMar 20 12:46
schestowitzTo 'secure' the publicMar 20 12:46
schestowitzRather than, say... the people who run the country and their interestsMar 20 12:46
schestowitzIn older days, in the US, they said explicitly that they need to capture "the minds of men"Mar 20 12:47
schestowitzIt's easier to control the minds than it is to control by force. Information on the Net -- however true -- can lead people to outrageMar 20 12:47
oiaohmACMA its one of these entities that have even censored goverment websites and goverment advertising for being in breach.Mar 20 12:48
oiaohmThink more CIA class enity but in control of media schestowitz.Mar 20 12:49
oiaohmGoverments piss it off there adveristments will get tied up in red tape.Mar 20 12:50
oiaohmACMA does what is in ACMA best interest.Mar 20 12:51
oiaohmGoverment suggested the idea of internet filters.   So ACMA is doing it because that way it can get more resources.Mar 20 12:52
oiaohmNote no law special was passed for the $11000 fines to web sites.  ACMA went to court and argued and won that the internet was no different to any other media so fines for being in breach with videos and text applied to the internet.Mar 20 12:54
oiaohmThis is were the idea of scaring ACMA into backing down is not going to work.Mar 20 12:54
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schestowitzoiaohm: CFR maybe, not CIA, but there might be overlapMar 20 12:57
schestowitzThey are very open with regards to their intent, but most people would never exploreMar 20 12:57
oiaohmACMA provides all licences to use radio bandwith.  Contains all rights to block content.   Even has the right to call for raids searching for illegal videos.Mar 20 12:59
oiaohmIssue here CFR powers are very limited compared to ACMA.Mar 20 12:59
oiaohmI forget ACMA also works with customs on what videos and the like is allowed into Australia.Mar 20 13:02
oiaohmAnyway you think that you can get content into Australia ACMA and the power to reach out and block.Mar 20 13:03
oiaohmand/hasMar 20 13:03
oiaohmThey have no legal requirement to disclose what they are blocking.Mar 20 13:03
oiaohmEven to the goverment of the day.Mar 20 13:04
oiaohmThis is why I said like CIA of Media.  Just like CIA they don't have any goverment oversite to keep them in check.Mar 20 13:04
oiaohmAlso they cannot be charged for blocking the wrong things either schestowitzMar 20 13:06
oiaohmMessing with something like that is a very careful process.Mar 20 13:06
oiaohmOnly oversite current goverment has is the size of the ACMA budget.Mar 20 13:09
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schestowitzWow. This is Orwellian stuff.Mar 20 13:16
schestowitzoiaohm: yesterday David gerard was here.Mar 20 13:16
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schestowitzHe handles Wikipedia in the UK for the large part and they too had such issues (IWF)Mar 20 13:17
MinceRj0Mar 20 13:17
schestowitzI suppose you heard about Killer Virgin and the UK losing access to portions of Wikipedia...Mar 20 13:17
oiaohmWikipedia from memory is USA for storage.  So that leaves 4 data paths.  China Asia Australia and basically straight to EU from USA.Mar 20 13:19
oiaohmChina path is blocked.Mar 20 13:19
oiaohm4 locations fall and USA is isolated.Mar 20 13:19
oiaohmInternet is not as strong and lot of these trouble makers think.Mar 20 13:20
schestowitzWhere are the main Wikipedia servers?Mar 20 13:27
schestowitzHolland?Mar 20 13:28
oiaohmWikimedia Foundation, Inc., P.O. Box 78350, San Francisco, 94107-8350, United States  I would guess USA.Mar 20 13:32
oiaohmThinking that is the contact information for the wikipedia servers.Mar 20 13:32
schestowitzzoobab01: check out http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/2...Mar 20 13:34
schestowitzoiaohm: the server I am assigned to is in The Netherlands.Mar 20 13:34
oiaohmWikipedia does have global mirrors.Mar 20 13:38
oiaohmhttp://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk...  Netherlands would also be right for one of the crossing cables from the USA to EU.Mar 20 13:40
oiaohmYes a big bomb going off in some shipping channels would cause major internet problems.Mar 20 13:41
oiaohmAlso note how few fiber connections there are into Australia.Mar 20 13:43
oiaohmIts why ACMA has the means really to filter everything entering australia.  Link locations are limited.Mar 20 13:45
schestowitzProxies are hard to blockMar 20 13:52
schestowitzEsp. if you encryptMar 20 13:52
schestowitzThey play with fireMar 20 13:52
oiaohmReally not.Mar 20 13:55
oiaohmI have run business networks.  With encrypted protocals blocked.Mar 20 13:55
oiaohmThis is the issue the level a system admin can go to is far more than what most people think.Mar 20 13:56
schestowitzSomeone recommended to me: http://www.newssift.com/about.jsp this new tool. I needed to enable JS to make it work. I try http://www.newssift.com/results.jsp... Looking for the RSS feedMar 20 13:56
schestowitzoiaohm: Heh. Encrypted bad, transparent good.Mar 20 13:57
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/security/news...  Intel not having a good weekMar 20 13:57
schestowitzRemember the days when scientists tried to make connections secure and privateMar 20 13:57
oiaohmtransparent how.Mar 20 13:57
schestowitzSecure to /US/ is not secure to /THEM/ (auth)Mar 20 13:57
schestowitzoiaohm: open to sniffingMar 20 13:58
oiaohmHidding in https is not invisable.Mar 20 13:58
schestowitzIntel's profit fell 90% in last quartersMar 20 13:58
schestowitzATOM helps Intel NOT AT ALLMar 20 13:58
schestowitzBut ARM makes PCs nowMar 20 13:58
oiaohmHow do you develop a auto script to detect if a user is trying to use a hidden proxy.Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz$139 MIDs in ChinaMar 20 13:59
schestowitzIntel has MoblinMar 20 13:59
schestowitzBut how can it compete on these price points?Mar 20 13:59
schestowitzSame with Windows (XP)Mar 20 13:59
schestowitz$5Mar 20 13:59
schestowitzoiaohm: auth=me lazy to type authoritiesMar 20 13:59
oiaohmIts really simple look for users with all traffic going to 1 website that is not known if it is or is not a proxy.Mar 20 13:59
oiaohmYes users are dumb enough to give away what hidden proxies they are using.Mar 20 14:00
*schestowitz writes about Linux winning Pwn2OwnMar 20 14:00
oiaohmThis is where you screw up just because a proxy is working does not mean the actions of using are not giving away its existance.Mar 20 14:00
oiaohmIts little bit like the myth that people have that tor is untrackable.Mar 20 14:01
schestowitzYes, assuming nodes are hiddenMar 20 14:09
*schestowitz got a reply from the European CommisionMar 20 14:09
schestowitz*ssionMar 20 14:09
oiaohmTor is trackable as long as you have a link at both ends.Mar 20 14:12
oiaohmStuff in middle is not important.  One they a Tor connection cannot change is the unchangable nature of time.Mar 20 14:13
oiaohmIf I can find the nodes or not is truly not important.Mar 20 14:13
oiaohmAgain actions provide trace schestowitzMar 20 14:17
schestowitz]/me has never used TORMar 20 14:17
schestowitzI set up a Web proxy on my server though, for testing purposes (e.g. blacklists, page testing, surfing from another country to detect localisation errors)Mar 20 14:18
oiaohmIdea that something is hidden is only true until you start using it and risk making a spotable signal.Mar 20 14:18
oiaohmHidden something in the internet is just like trying to hide a radio single.Mar 20 14:19
oiaohmLittle bit of carelesses and its existance is there for all to see.Mar 20 14:19
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schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8281 (Army Continues Anti-Explosive PR...)Mar 20 14:51
schestowitzCriminals using PR agents to deflect criticism < http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-d... >. Chris Brown too use a PR agent after hitting his girlfriend, Rihanna.Mar 20 14:53
schestowitzHarlan Ellison ANGRILY Sues Paramount Over His Old "Star Trek" Script < http://www.fictioncircus.com/new... >Mar 20 14:56
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schestowitzbenJIman: Stephan Binner has just posted to opensuse-announce. What's up with opensuse-planet? It's nice that some people stay to help despite Hovsepian stealing their wage and sacking them.Mar 20 15:16
EruaranTomTom tells Microsoft to get lost; Countersues - http://www.crn.com/software/215901395Mar 20 15:21
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/161...Mar 20 15:21
schestowitz"That concerned Linux supporters, who worried that Microsoft might make good on past statements that it owns many patents for technologies used in Linux. But Microsoft said open source is not the focal point of its suit against TomTom. The case is about TomTom's specific implementation of the Linux kernel, Microsoft said."Mar 20 15:22
schestowitzI have a post in BN about the suit too.Mar 20 15:22
schestowitzEruaran: thanks, I'll add the CRN refMar 20 15:22
EruaranMicrosoft is always lieingMar 20 15:23
schestowitzYes.Mar 20 15:26
schestowitzGalring recent example:Mar 20 15:26
schestowitzNovember 2008 (give or take a month): Microsoft says no layoffs are comingMar 20 15:26
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EruaranGot a company meeting tomorrowMar 20 15:35
EruaranLinux Mint is on the menuMar 20 15:36
EruaranI put it there ;)Mar 20 15:36
schestowitz2009 and still in fear of using new hardware in GNU/Linux! < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/a... > always works for me.Mar 20 15:37
EruaranIts not often we run into hardware problems with Linux these daysMar 20 15:39
EruaranYou're more likely to find Asus have stuffed up their motherboards again and you need a BIOS update just to get them to work properly with Kingston RAM...Mar 20 15:40
schestowitzGNOME is gittin' jiggy wit it: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane...Mar 20 15:41
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schestowitzWin for GNU/Linux: HP refunds 520$ for unused software < http://ernstfamily.ch/jonatha... >Mar 20 15:44
schestowitzKeyboard layouts you can't use (because of intellectual monopolies): http://lwn.net/Articles/324232/Mar 20 15:46
EruaranI wouldn't buy a HP notebook in the first place. The quality isn't good enough, nor is the warranty.Mar 20 15:48
EruaranThey sell expensive notebooks with a pitiful 1 year warranty. They can get stuffed, I'm not advising anyone to buy that crap.Mar 20 15:49
EruaranThe only brand that does 1 year warranties (and only on their low end) that I'd sell to someone is BenQ, because I know their motherboards wont die when the system is 13 months old.Mar 20 15:50
EruaranI send a nasty email to HP just recentlyMar 20 15:51
EruaranAfter trying to get warranty service from HP for 6 months, someone who is now our client, gave up on HP and paid us to repair his faulty notebook for him.Mar 20 15:52
EruaranThose pathetic bastards wouldn't replace a faulty hard driveMar 20 15:53
EruaranIf it was Asus, the notebook would have a new hard drive and he'd get it back within 24 hours.Mar 20 15:54
EruaranWe told him to take HP to small claims court but in the end he said he didn't want the hassle and just wanted it fixed.Mar 20 15:55
EruaranAt one stage we dealt directly with HP ourselves over it. I found myself abusing some witless moron on the phone asking him why he thinks HP's hard drive tests are better than Seagates.Mar 20 15:56
EruaranHP's own tests picked up no faults, so they wouldn't replace it. Test the same hard drive with Seagate's tools, and the hard drive failed every time.Mar 20 15:57
EruaranEVERY TIMEMar 20 15:57
EruaranThe customer was losing data, his notebook was slow and behaving wierd... clear cut, straightforward... but no...Mar 20 15:58
EruaranNEVER buy from HPMar 20 15:58
schestowitzCheck this out: "Linux-based custom interface will appeal to a limited audience; won't work with most of your existing software." http://reviews.cnet.com/laptop...Mar 20 15:59
schestowitzAre they assuming that everyone uses Windows?Mar 20 15:59
schestowitzOr that no-one will install another version of Linux?Mar 20 15:59
schestowitzHP played a role in Vista collusion it seemedMar 20 16:00
Eruarantranslation: wont do exe filesMar 20 16:00
schestowitzThey were mentioned in April 2008Mar 20 16:00
schestowitzThen it was shown that they got angry at MicrosoftMar 20 16:00
EruaranIts Ubuntu, just install WineMar 20 16:00
schestowitzEruaran: exactly. Program=EXEMar 20 16:01
schestowitzCompuuter=WindowsMar 20 16:01
schestowitzLinux=alienMar 20 16:01
EruaranWhen I think of "flexability and familiarity" I don't think of WindowsMar 20 16:01
EruaranIt has 512MB of RAMMar 20 16:02
EruaranWhat Windows software does CNet think they're going to run on that these days ?Mar 20 16:03
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EruaranGood griefMar 20 16:14
EruaranPC World, "Firefox May Already Be Dead"Mar 20 16:14
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EruaranWhy does anyone pay any attention to retards like theseMar 20 16:15
schestowitzCNET has deals with MirosoftMar 20 16:17
schestowitzThey also promote Vista for cashMar 20 16:17
schestowitzAsay wrote about itMar 20 16:17
schestowitzHe works for them, pretending to be covering FOSSMar 20 16:17
schestowitzEruaran: whose article?Mar 20 16:17
schestowitzSJVN wrote somethingMar 20 16:17
schestowitzI doubt they renamed it though. PCWorld = IDG (Microsoft puppet)Mar 20 16:17
Eruaranhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/1...Mar 20 16:18
EruaranLet me guess... Keir Thomas was comparing the Chrome alpha on Ubuntu with FF 3 and not FF 3.1/5Mar 20 16:19
EruaranThe article has no useful information in it at allMar 20 16:22
EruaranAnd no redeeming qualitiesMar 20 16:22
schestowitzGets them visits, so they are happyMar 20 16:24
schestowitzProvocation against Firefox users maybe.Mar 20 16:24
*schestowitz didn't read it (feed it)Mar 20 16:24
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EruaranHe links to another article telling how Firefox 3.1 beta is slower than other browsers... from December last year... everyone knows the current beta is much fasterMar 20 16:25
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schestowitzEruaran: yes, it is.Mar 20 16:27
schestowitzFirefox is a leader because of extensions either wayMar 20 16:27
schestowitzSome would enumerate and add security, but on GNU/Linux it hardly differsMar 20 16:27
EruaranHe also links to /.Mar 20 16:28
Eruaran...Mar 20 16:28
schestowitzI don't like /.Mar 20 16:28
schestowitzI actually view it as hostile, unlike GLMar 20 16:28
EruaranWhere you've got hundreds of people agreeing with him who are just comparing Chromium with their current version of FFMar 20 16:28
EruaranIs this what Ubuntu is creating ? Dumb linux users ?Mar 20 16:29
schestowitzChromium?Mar 20 16:29
schestowitzFor what? Windows?Mar 20 16:29
schestowitzI hardly care about that.Mar 20 16:30
schestowitzAnd Microsoft can cheat with hidden calls/APIs, as usualMar 20 16:30
schestowitzLike it did to NetscapeMar 20 16:30
EruaranPeople are using the current alpha of ChromeMar 20 16:30
Eruaranon ubuntuMar 20 16:30
Eruaranwhich is ChromiumMar 20 16:30
EruaranIt just annoys me that people are making dumb and useless comparisonsMar 20 16:31
EruaranI remember the days when, as a complete noob, Debian users would tell me to RTFM.Mar 20 16:32
schestowitzMicrosoft doesn't even do thatMar 20 16:32
schestowitzIt throws you at your next-door neighbour of some paid support companyMar 20 16:33
schestowitzSo Debian does better than the restMar 20 16:33
schestowitzExcept other distros that accommodate new users.Mar 20 16:33
schestowitzUbuntu seems intolerant of anything acidicMar 20 16:33
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MinceRi see /. as randomly moving between friendly and hostileMar 20 16:34
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EruaranI have little time for /.Mar 20 16:35
schestowitzHuge new win for Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/w...Mar 20 16:35
schestowitzMinceR: yes, it has no backbone. It just accept Microsoft's money too.Mar 20 16:36
schestowitzSuperpower's 'Digg': The world’s most lucrative social network? China’s Tencent beats $1 billion revenue mark < http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/19/the-w... >Mar 20 16:37
MinceRit's still not nearly as bad as digg, thoughMar 20 16:37
MinceRif only for the community.Mar 20 16:37
schestowitzIBMLaris CoC: OpenSolaris Code of Conduct <  http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/en... >Mar 20 16:39
schestowitzMinceR: s/ity/ism/Mar 20 16:39
MinceRaccess denied.Mar 20 16:39
schestowitzsudo !!Mar 20 16:40
schestowitz./d3mocracy-player.shMar 20 16:40
schestowitzIE8 is here, IE8 is hacked  < http://www.daniweb.com/b... >Mar 20 16:40
schestowitzGmail Gets Undo < http://blogoscoped.com/archive... >. What next? Will Google grab a patent on that one? or a lawsuit from a troll?Mar 20 16:41
schestowitzWow. Must-see photos: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/20...Mar 20 16:45
MinceRPassword:Mar 20 16:45
schestowitz******Mar 20 16:45
MinceRSorry.Mar 20 16:45
MinceRPassword:Mar 20 16:45
schestowitz******Mar 20 16:45
MinceRSorry.Mar 20 16:45
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schestowitzsudo reboot && fsck offMar 20 16:46
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schestowitz"A new research report out today details the fact that, despite the global economic meltdown, over 90 percent of Americans agree that the U.S. should act rapidly to combat global warming, including 34 percent who feel the U.S. should make a large-scale effort even if it costs a lot of money." < http://www.desmogblog.com/clima... >Mar 20 16:47
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jose_Xhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Regula...Mar 20 17:21
jose_Xticketmaster had relationships to paul allen right? don't know about live nation (live?)Mar 20 17:22
jose_Xschestowitz, the title is "Regulator looks closer at Ticketmaster-Live Nation"Mar 20 17:22
jose_Xit would be good down the line to rally music lovers and artists exploited by the big companies to adopt foss (that goes on now, but it would be neat to have this tie be made public and loud).Mar 20 17:23
jose_Xassociating exploitation of the small artist/business/user/etc with the small sw co or inventor (for patents) would be great since then the audience is larger and everyone comes along for the rideMar 20 17:24
jose_Xof course, there are many similarities here.. the political ticket may fly.Mar 20 17:25
jose_Xcheck out this excuse: >>"Oddly, the better we sell tickets, the more unpopular we become," Diller said.Mar 20 17:25
jose_Xtrying to downplay monopoly powers to appear as a victim of success and skill etc.Mar 20 17:25
jose_Xschestowitz, one final item...Mar 20 17:26
jose_Xie8 apparently got a fix up very recentlyMar 20 17:26
tessier_schestowitz: http://daveshields.wordpress.com/Mar 20 17:26
tessier_schestowitz: Seems like an interesting guy to know. Used to work for IBM.Mar 20 17:26
jose_Xi noticed yahoo line ads saying how ie8 is optimized for yahooMar 20 17:27
jose_Xthis might be an ad.. it might be a normal way for yahoo to take advantage and advertize their site..Mar 20 17:27
jose_Xbut it might hint at a closer relationship building between yahoo and msMar 20 17:27
schestowitzHey, jose_X Mar 20 17:28
jose_XheyMar 20 17:28
schestowitztessier / tessier_: I see his blog sometimesMar 20 17:29
jose_Xif it was an ad, i got the feeling it was a yahoo ad.. the link (sorry, don't have it) was to one of those page saying that ie8 is not supported for my platform but please try our yahoo toolbar, etc.Mar 20 17:29


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