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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 6th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 1:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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_Hicham_ is there anyone in here? Apr 06 00:40
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_Hicham_ Balrog_ : did u rip ur DVDs? Apr 06 01:05
Balrog_ it’s not something I’m doing right now…more of a long-term thing :) Apr 06 01:06
_Hicham_ do just want to write a C/C++ program? Apr 06 01:12
Balrog_ whatever dumps video_ts Apr 06 01:14
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NeonFloss I bet you guys are happy about http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-102… Apr 06 05:16
NeonFloss :( Apr 06 05:16
oiaohm EEP Apr 06 05:21
oiaohm Hopefully google ibm group beat MS there NeonFloss Apr 06 05:23
NeonFloss Apr 06 05:23
dsmith_ reading that article makes me envision hospital ‘tapping’ a whore Apr 06 05:24
oiaohm Google and IBM are building a joint medical record storage solution. Apr 06 05:24
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schestowitz Morning. Apr 06 06:21
DaemonFC I think I just walked into a big fat Linux bug Apr 06 06:21
DaemonFC XFS_IOC_SWAPEXT failed: ino=1614337296: Invalid argument Apr 06 06:22
DaemonFC I get those on some inodes when I run xfs_fsr Apr 06 06:22
DaemonFC just started with Apr 06 06:22
schestowitz My hard drive’s a mess…. /home/roy/Main/Misc/BU/More_computers/ Programs-2nd-partition/PC-Side-Software/DOS/Arj/ARJ.EXE Apr 06 06:23
DaemonFC I may just end up using git kernels til I figure out what the hell is going on Apr 06 06:24
DaemonFC or I may just snag the 61 odd XFS patches and apply them to my stable kernel source Apr 06 06:24
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schestowitz What is this..? Is Europe becoming  a nation? Blair steps up fight to be crowned first ‘President of EU’ < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eu… > Apr 06 06:50
schestowitz Wales is taking all the credit for Wikipedia :-( http://blog.citizendium.org/2009/04… Apr 06 06:52
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schestowitz Sun-IBM Merger Talks Collapse < http://www.enterprisestorageforu… > It would be bad if Sun sold to a company like Fujitsu. Apr 06 07:16
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schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301… (Google uncloaks once-secret server) Apr 06 07:23
schestowitz IBM Talks Teeter as Sun Board Splits  < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB… >; I.B.M. Withdraws Offer for Sun < http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009… > Apr 06 07:26
schestowitz IBM, Sun Micro talks collapse over price -source < http://uk.reuters.com/article/gover… >; I.B.M. Withdraws $7 Billion Offer for Sun Microsystems < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/technol… > Apr 06 07:28
schestowitz A look at the current software patents situation in the US and EU: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/06/… Apr 06 07:45
oiaohm Google was keeping a lot more secrect like 100 percent custom made motherboard for them. Apr 06 07:55
oiaohm Supposs when ordering in Google numbers you can have what ever you like. Apr 06 07:56
schestowitz Can anyone order these? :-| Apr 06 07:59
schestowitz oiaohm: did you see this < http://www.kev009.com/wp/2009… >? Apr 06 08:04
oiaohm Gigabyte made the board that google has but no you cannot order it. Apr 06 08:05
oiaohm That merge was to be expected it was going to be 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 Apr 06 08:05
oiaohm So its something is on time for once. Apr 06 08:05
oiaohm Big annoyance it looks like ksm is going to be delayed for another cycle. Apr 06 08:08
oiaohm Opps Apr 06 08:08
oiaohm ksm is a used memory compression system. Apr 06 08:08
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oiaohm http://lwn.net/Articles/306642/  << This feature I want schestowitz Apr 06 08:11
oiaohm http://code.google.com/p/compcache/  << Also this is pushing for 2.6.31 Apr 06 08:13
iwmw nice driver Apr 06 08:15
oiaohm Still needs more test but yes one mainline it will be nice. Apr 06 08:16
oiaohm one/once Apr 06 08:16
iwmw what kind of tests? Apr 06 08:19
iwmw if it scans for identical and merges and split at a change time it should be quite allright Apr 06 08:20
iwmw performance loss should be rather great at plenty of splits Apr 06 08:20
oiaohm Ok ksm  that is patent dispute betwen vmware and Linux.   compcache is plan b it needs proper testing run on it. Apr 06 08:21
oiaohm Yes its pure stupid if identical blocks are found when they get pushed to the swap vmware patent does not apply. Apr 06 08:24
schestowitz It’s interesting that VMware is now in the hands of Microsofters because of patents too Apr 06 08:30
iwmw in which way compcache can interfere with someone’s patents? Apr 06 08:38
iwmw or ksm Apr 06 08:40
oiaohm ksm steps on vmwares. Apr 06 08:43
iwmw it’s just like saying that bubble-sort can interfere with someone’s patent on sorting as a an abstract idea Apr 06 08:43
oiaohm The process of making pages be shared. Apr 06 08:44
oiaohm vmware patented it for there virtual machine and hypervisor. Apr 06 08:44
oiaohm schestowitz ms attack on vmware is also about the same patent. Apr 06 08:44
iwmw it just doesn’t make sense Apr 06 08:45
oiaohm If you are running multiable the same virtual machines. Apr 06 08:45
iwmw you can’t patent “addition ova natural numbers” Apr 06 08:45
oiaohm Compressing used memory between them is really useful. Apr 06 08:45
oiaohm Even better if its using the cpu memory management to make it transparant. Apr 06 08:46
iwmw as a ratio at which it stops caching or uses lighter algorithms or parameters of it Apr 06 08:46
oiaohm Lot of software patents don’t make sence. Apr 06 08:50
MinceR hay Apr 06 08:57
iwmw patents shouldn’t exist Apr 06 08:59
iwmw or be restricted in a very funny way Apr 06 09:00
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tacone schestowitz: french three-strikes internet-doctrine approved: http://www.assemblee-nationa… Apr 06 09:05
schestowitz Yes, I saw that Apr 06 09:06
oiaohm Like having to visit every active volcano in the worlds after getting the patent to make it valid if you die or don’t do it patent rejected?  iwmw Apr 06 09:06
schestowitz BN is down at the moment, no idea why.. Apr 06 09:06
tacone not down Apr 06 09:06
tacone i see it. Apr 06 09:06
oiaohm Its not down from me either schestowitz Apr 06 09:09
tacone guess it was a moment. Apr 06 09:09
oiaohm The network is still highly disrupted. Apr 06 09:11
schestowitz tacone: yes, it’s back Apr 06 09:12
schestowitz Just a hiccup for some minutes Apr 06 09:12
schestowitz oiaohm: why is it disrupted? Apr 06 09:12
schestowitz I ask, I don’t know Apr 06 09:12
schestowitz Sympton in this case: server accessible, site not responding even to W3C validator in Japan Apr 06 09:13
schestowitz *Symptom Apr 06 09:13
oiaohm Disrupts most likely be around for another few days. Apr 06 09:13
oiaohm Let overs form the responce to the virus. Apr 06 09:14
tacone oh Apr 06 09:14
tacone the virus, yes Apr 06 09:14
tacone i had some problems last days as well. Apr 06 09:14
tacone didn’t thought it may be because that. Apr 06 09:14
iwmw oiaohm: of course this patent is rejected Apr 06 09:15
iwmw it can’t exist Apr 06 09:15
oiaohm You don’t switch the internet into equal to death con 5 and turn to back off without issues. Apr 06 09:16
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tacone schestowitz: a good url (BN) url about ISO being worthless ? Apr 06 09:17
schestowitz There’s “boycott ISO” Apr 06 09:18
schestowitz From zoobab01 Apr 06 09:18
tacone it’s empty Apr 06 09:18
tacone do you have an article where you highlight iso being worth nothing ? Apr 06 09:18
schestowitz Maybe this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/… Apr 06 09:32
tacone nice !! Apr 06 09:32
iwmw obviously, boycottnovell.com is mostly a horror-news site :) Apr 06 09:52
MinceR the real world is horrible ;) Apr 06 09:52
iwmw but news about m$ making yet another step toward complete fail make it lighter Apr 06 09:53
schestowitz iwmw: is that a compliment?  horror-news?? Apr 06 09:58
schestowitz Maybe Microsoft makes horror Apr 06 09:59
tacone guess he referred to his feelings about the facts exposed Apr 06 10:04
iwmw schestowitz: yeah, it does. someone should point at this horror so there’s always a way to make references to it. Apr 06 10:05
iwmw and yeah, tacone, for me reading about it is compared to watching news on tv or watching a horror film Apr 06 10:05
iwmw so i don’t watch horrors, boycottnovell.com is quite enough for me xD Apr 06 10:06
tacone schestowitz: consider asking for legal age before loading photos of steve ballmer :) Apr 06 10:06
schestowitz Very weird… some girl who promotes Microsoft junk in India has just tried to connect to me in LinkedIn. Why? Apr 06 10:06
tacone on linkedin is weird. Apr 06 10:07
schestowitz We were fighting her MSP bulls* (getting schools hooked) on Microsoft Apr 06 10:07
schestowitz Maybe to see who the person is connected to, who knows… Apr 06 10:07
tacone reply with your email adress Apr 06 10:07
tacone lol Apr 06 10:07
iwmw may be she wants to ask stupid questions and make an article of fud Apr 06 10:08
tacone going away. bb Apr 06 10:08
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MinceR http://yro.slashdot.org/firehos… Apr 06 10:14
MinceR way to go, UK and EU Apr 06 10:14
MinceR fucking fascists Apr 06 10:14
schestowitz And they make fun of China… :-) Apr 06 10:22
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXA… Apr 06 10:22
iwmw wtf… Apr 06 10:22
iwmw it should’ve been posted on the 1st of april Apr 06 10:24
schestowitz But it’s no joke… nor a surprise Apr 06 10:25
schestowitz Not for the UK anyway Apr 06 10:25
schestowitz More quietly , the Register has been reporting about this for over a year. It’s been largely hush-hush Apr 06 10:25
MinceR the problem is that now they’ve managed to make this an eu directive Apr 06 10:26
iwmw twas written there only about uk Apr 06 10:31
iwmw ah… i misread most likely Apr 06 10:31
MinceR “A European Union directive, which Britain was instrumental in devising” Apr 06 10:31
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MinceR apparently the only function the EU is capable of fulfilling is making buying laws cheaper for megacorps Apr 06 10:32
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schestowitz MinceR: I don’t think this one is just about megacorps Apr 06 10:40
schestowitz Only by inferences, assuming the megacorps — not people — are the state Apr 06 10:40
MinceR well, it’s likely that our “leaders” are fond of limiting freedoms themselves Apr 06 10:41
schestowitz Remember that painting of “state is people” from france? Apr 06 10:41
MinceR the political “elite” Apr 06 10:41
MinceR i don’t know it Apr 06 10:41
schestowitz Replace the people with logos of the likes of GM and Proctor Gamble. Apr 06 10:41
Eruaran “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Mussolini Apr 06 10:41
MinceR i know most of the people gladly accept this and they deserve it Apr 06 10:41
schestowitz Message from the FFII regarding software patents in Europe: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0… Apr 06 10:56
iwmw why should there be sw patents at all? Apr 06 11:03
Eruaran Perhaps I should patent an arrangement of musical notes Apr 06 11:04
schestowitz You can, if you have money to buy the law Apr 06 11:05
Eruaran I would if I had the money Apr 06 11:05
Eruaran If only to highlight the ridiculousness of it Apr 06 11:05
schestowitz Piece together a sod story about poor musicians and economic impact of notes patentability Apr 06 11:05
Eruaran I realised today that FOSS has actually influenced me in unforseen ways Apr 06 11:07
Eruaran Like, what kind of music I am exposed to Apr 06 11:08
Eruaran I’m a frequenter of Magnatune Apr 06 11:08
Eruaran Primarily becuase of Amarok Apr 06 11:08
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Eruaran If it weren’t for Amarok, would I have stumbled upon Magnatune ? Apr 06 11:08
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Eruaran Would I be listening to the likes of Brad Sucks and Very Large Array ? Apr 06 11:09
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Eruaran I thought I’d try last.fm Apr 06 11:09
Eruaran But I was bored with most of it as most of what you hear is pretty mainstream Apr 06 11:10
Eruaran There’s some nice ambient material though Apr 06 11:10
iwmw chat by mibbit.com could possibly show number of users in the room Apr 06 11:10
iwmw so it makes it much more attractive Apr 06 11:11
schestowitz Thee’s a last.fm alternative Apr 06 11:25
schestowitz New one.. AGPL-based Apr 06 11:25
MinceR i’d patent the process of moving air into and out of the lungs Apr 06 11:39
MinceR and then i’d demand a patent license from everyone who breathes Apr 06 11:40
MinceR i mean i’d demand payment for that license :> Apr 06 11:40
iwmw can the license get rejected? Apr 06 11:40
MinceR of course, i’d have to kill everyone older than i am so they can’t show prior art Apr 06 11:40
schestowitz licence for the apparatus called lung? Apr 06 11:40
MinceR indeed Apr 06 11:40
MinceR and its operation Apr 06 11:40
schestowitz There’s a patent thicket there. Apr 06 11:41
iwmw you could also patent a cost-free way to perform a killing in the state prisons Apr 06 11:41
schestowitz Many infringements. The human anatomy leapfrogged science. Apr 06 11:41
iwmw like rejecting the license Apr 06 11:41
amarsh04 Debian unstable goes KDE 4.2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-… Apr 06 11:46
amarsh04 If you run Debian unstable and want to stay at KDE 3.5.10, watch your updates Apr 06 11:47
iwmw yeah, one of them will just remove 3.5.10 Apr 06 11:52
amarsh04 too many of my kde apps need the kde3 libs Apr 06 11:53
MinceR so they’re going to throw the kde3 libs away? Apr 06 11:55
amarsh04 no MinceR, but I’d still like to run kde3 apps under kde 3.5.10, even though kde3 libs will be available to run kde3 apps under kde 4.2 Apr 06 11:56
MinceR ic Apr 06 11:56
iwmw when i installed 4.2.2 ova 3.5.10 the 3.5.10 got removed Apr 06 12:02
iwmw twas mandriva 2009.0 Apr 06 12:02
iwmw oh… twas ova 4.1.2 but there still were 3.5.10 apps and libs Apr 06 12:05
iwmw 4.2.2 removed em Apr 06 12:05
amarsh04 ouch iwmw… Debian seems to be trying for a more gradual change Apr 06 12:35
iwmw i just remember that when i isntalled some part of kde422 the installer told me that smth like kde3510core and some other package are bothering so they gotta be removed Apr 06 12:37
schestowitz Why not just wait until you install it fresh with KDE4? I’m still on Mandriva 2008.1 Apr 06 12:38
amarsh04 some apps like quanta plus and rosegarden are nowhere near finished being ported to qt4/kde4 Apr 06 12:38
amarsh04 nor k3b (k4b?) Apr 06 12:38
schestowitz mandriva is working on it Apr 06 12:42
schestowitz it’s being ported Apr 06 12:42
schestowitz http://www.techworld.com.au/articl… Apr 06 12:42
amarsh04 thanks schestowitz, I had read something similar recently Apr 06 12:50
iwmw schestowitz: because mandriva 2009.0 comes with kde 4.1.2 and i better have 4.2.2 :) Apr 06 12:50
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oiaohm Notice that k3b is also will be targeted at windows. Apr 06 13:02
schestowitz Maybe they’ll appreciate it and come to GNU/Linux. That’s the hope anyway. Apr 06 13:04
oiaohm Its more targeting cdrom drive makers. Apr 06 13:04
oiaohm To be correct burning drive makes. Apr 06 13:04
oiaohm If we can get k3b bundled with every drive produced compadbilty goes up. Apr 06 13:05
amarsh04 there are still some issues with k3b and verifying burned cd’s/dvd’s Apr 06 13:07
oiaohm check your version of cdrecord. Apr 06 13:08
amarsh04 the original and copied discs match, but k3b doesn’t get it right Apr 06 13:08
oiaohm I had verifying problems until I updates. Apr 06 13:08
amarsh04 cdrecord 1.1.9 Apr 06 13:09
oiaohm http://cdrecord.berlios.de/p…  That is way old. Apr 06 13:09
oiaohm Despute over licencing caused debian and others to be shipping old and no working versions of cdrecord Apr 06 13:11
amarsh04 what I’m saying is that disks burn fine and their md5sums match the original data, but that k3b doesn’t agree Apr 06 13:12
oiaohm Yes and cdrecord own internal way does not work. Apr 06 13:14
amarsh04 so cdrecord is calculating the md5sum? Apr 06 13:14
oiaohm Yep. Apr 06 13:14
oiaohm Had same headache. Apr 06 13:15
amarsh04 I’d love to have k3b compare original and written images byte by byte to identify any patterns of where data corruption occurs Apr 06 13:15
oiaohm I would love something else intergated. Apr 06 13:15
oiaohm http://dvdisaster.net/en/ Apr 06 13:16
oiaohm Far better tool that byte by byte compare. Apr 06 13:16
*amarsh04 clicks Apr 06 13:16
oiaohm It is basically how to make stronger backups. Apr 06 13:19
amarsh04 thanks for the link… must get some sleep now. night all Apr 06 13:24
schestowitz gn Apr 06 13:35
oiaohm schestowitz you have dvdisaster in your tools ? Apr 06 13:38
schestowitz I heardly even burn any CDs Apr 06 13:41
schestowitz Haven’t done so for almost a year in fact. Apr 06 13:41
oiaohm If you have to burn something important remember about it. Apr 06 13:42
oiaohm Making disk tolerate upto a 20 percent loss is a handy feature. Apr 06 13:42
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zer0c00l hello goodevening :) Apr 06 15:21
Eruaran hello Apr 06 15:22
schestowitz Hey there. Apr 06 15:36
schestowitz zer0c00l: your MSP ‘friend’ sent a LinkinIn invitation Apr 06 15:36
zer0c00l schestowitz, i saw that :P Apr 06 15:36
zer0c00l i was also sent an invitation Apr 06 15:37
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schestowitz zer0c00l: what do you make of it? Apr 06 15:51
zer0c00l schestowitz, i dont understand the question Apr 06 15:52
schestowitz Why would MSPs befriend critics? Apr 06 15:52
zer0c00l she is ma classmate Apr 06 15:54
zer0c00l :P Apr 06 15:54
zer0c00l she was pissed off b4 Apr 06 15:54
zer0c00l don’t know why she sent a frnd invitation Apr 06 15:54
zer0c00l she stopped talking to me :P Apr 06 15:55
schestowitz Using American celebrities as an avatar-ish Apr 06 15:55
zer0c00l yes Apr 06 15:55
zer0c00l avril Apr 06 15:55
schestowitz Anyway… Apr 06 15:55
zer0c00l i saw you in her profile Apr 06 15:55
zer0c00l i just pinged her got an answer Apr 06 15:58
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zer0c00l i am inviting her to #boycottnovell Apr 06 15:58
zer0c00l :P Apr 06 15:58
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zer0c00l helo acidburn Apr 06 15:59
acidburn hello Apr 06 15:59
schestowitz Hey, acidburn Apr 06 16:07
acidburn hi roy Apr 06 16:07
schestowitz Man detained, threatened and abused by TSA for flying with $4700 in cash < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/05/man-… > Apr 06 16:10
schestowitz And Homeland Stupidity on Great Depression II < http://www.homelandstupidity.us… > Apr 06 16:11
schestowitz Is this a joke, one wonders…  < http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/cont… > Apr 06 16:16
zer0c00l schestowitz, i just added ken starks :D Apr 06 16:18
zer0c00l schestowitz, i love his blog :-) Apr 06 16:18
zer0c00l did you see his recent post? Apr 06 16:18
schestowitz No yet, I think Apr 06 16:18
zer0c00l that inkscape story Apr 06 16:19
zer0c00l http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/… Apr 06 16:20
schestowitz Saw it already Apr 06 16:21
schestowitz Good one. Apr 06 16:21
schestowitz I’m pressured to  write a response to EBoA… :-( http://www.epo.org/patents/appeal… Apr 06 16:21
schestowitz These people rely on companies that are paid to speak ‘for the people Apr 06 16:22
schestowitz This is ridiculous. Apr 06 16:22
schestowitz Do they expect SMEs to throw away their excessive work just to keep some peace with sw patents out of Europe? Apr 06 16:22
schestowitz zoobab01: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion… Apr 06 16:22
zer0c00l rainy season is manchester? Apr 06 16:24
schestowitz Musician strip-searched falsely. What world is this? Terrified musician targeted in armed anti-terror raid < http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-ne… > Apr 06 16:25
schestowitz zer0c00l: no, sunny these days. Quite nice Apr 06 16:25
zer0c00l oh Apr 06 16:25
schestowitz South Korea prepares to nuke its technological competitiveness with a three-strikes copyright rule < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/… > It’s an ACTA world….. Apr 06 16:25
*zer0c00l directs acidburn to http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… Apr 06 16:27
schestowitz http://www.seattlemedium.com/news/… Apr 06 16:27
schestowitz Last Thursday, the Guardian reported him saying, “This crisis was caused by no black man or woman or by no indigenous person or by no poor person…this crisis was fostered and boosted by irrational behavior of some people that are white, blue-eyed.” Apr 06 16:27
acidburn zer0c00l:gotcha Apr 06 16:27
Eruaran April 6 (Bloomberg) — U.S. stocks fell for the first time in five days as Mike Mayo, analyst at Calyon Securities, advised selling bank shares and International Business Machines Corp.’s purchase of Sun Microsystems Inc. collapsed. Apr 06 16:27
Eruaran http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi… Apr 06 16:28
schestowitz The UK police now uses attack dogs, literally. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009… (Baton charges and kettling: police’s G20 crowd control tactics under fire) Apr 06 16:29
acidburn zer0c00l:wats the intent?? Apr 06 16:29
zer0c00l you asked me about IRC logs acidburn Apr 06 16:30
Eruaran IBM withdraws $7 billion offer for Sun Microsystems Apr 06 16:30
Eruaran http://www.tgdaily.com/conten… Apr 06 16:30
zer0c00l why IBM wants to buy sun? Apr 06 16:31
zer0c00l sorry *wanted to Apr 06 16:31
acidburn zer0c00l: alryt Apr 06 16:31
schestowitz Eruaran: see The Quiet Coup < http://www.theatlantic.com/do… > Apr 06 16:31
acidburn zer0c00l:tat was yest’s – i was talkin abt todays.Will chk tomo. gettin off now.Gud bye Apr 06 16:32
schestowitz How Obama Took Over the Peace Movement < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8297 > Apr 06 16:32
schestowitz Eruaran: good for Sun Apr 06 16:33
schestowitz I quite liked the news Apr 06 16:33
schestowitz The issue is, Sun wants to sell itself and IBM was the least evil capable suitor. Apr 06 16:33
zer0c00l *least evil :) Apr 06 16:33
schestowitz Another company that’s going down fast has a name similar to Microsystems Apr 06 16:33
*zer0c00l laughs Apr 06 16:34
zer0c00l Microsystem :P Apr 06 16:34
acidburn schestowitz:have a good day . ps:the american pic thingy – i like her music,tats all.ntn more ntn less. :) Apr 06 16:34
schestowitz It gives freebies Apr 06 16:34
schestowitz Actually, it bribes people to use its stuff Apr 06 16:34
MinceR now cisco is considered likely to buy sun :/ Apr 06 16:34
schestowitz Look at subnotebooks, or SMBs… tactics of misery now that software is a commosity Apr 06 16:35
schestowitz MinceR: Cisco sells hardware, so they’ll do alright Apr 06 16:35
MinceR cisco believes in security by obscurity Apr 06 16:35
schestowitz Cisco has no use for Solaris Apr 06 16:35
Eruaran That would certainly put Cisco far deeper into the server business Apr 06 16:35
MinceR that could be good Apr 06 16:35
schestowitz MinceR: or using other people’s secure code Apr 06 16:35
MinceR oh, right Apr 06 16:36
schestowitz AND… Apr 06 16:36
schestowitz Now giving back Apr 06 16:36
MinceR was it cisco/linksys that said that the GPL doesn’t apply to them? Apr 06 16:36
schestowitz Thus the gpl-violations suit Apr 06 16:36
schestowitz *not Apr 06 16:36
zer0c00l cisco once sued for not adhering to GPL right? Apr 06 16:36
zer0c00l yes Apr 06 16:36
schestowitz Yup Apr 06 16:36
schestowitz They pretend it didn’t happen Apr 06 16:36
MinceR that will be a fitting combination with sun :/ Apr 06 16:36
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MinceR perhaps someone will sue them to oblivion Apr 06 16:37
schestowitz So I said, when they opened some blogs, how about tracking their violations. They keep silent on the subject Apr 06 16:37
schestowitz They suck up to Linux with a $100,000 award now Apr 06 16:37
Eruaran Its bad for business Apr 06 16:37
schestowitz It started raining again. Apr 06 16:46
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schestowitz How Can We Save Thunderbird Now Email is Dying? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu… >. People foolishly offshore their communications now, but then again, the UK government is now retaining all E-mails sent and received. Apr 06 16:48
schestowitz Hi, lukas__ Apr 06 16:48
schestowitz Great news: All Tatarstan Schools Moving to Free Software < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200… > Apr 06 16:48
schestowitz “According to the Deputy Minister, in each of the school-level workshops are planned to open courses on the work of «Linux» students. But before that is still to prepare professionals who will lead these clubs.” Apr 06 16:49
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zer0c00l good news :-) Apr 06 16:50
schestowitz Student finds mobile phone while out celebrating his 18th birthday and is ARRESTED after handing it in to police < http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic… > Yes, we’re moving to fascism over here, apparently. People just aren’t told yet. Apr 06 16:50
Eruaran Corporatism = Fascism. Apr 06 16:51
schestowitz The police has infinite power. They can do anything if you look funny… catching an old lady for photographing an empty pool. Apr 06 16:51
schestowitz Eruaran: I used the wrong word in reference to this one article Apr 06 16:51
zer0c00l we are not allowed to have mobile phones in our school Apr 06 16:51
zer0c00l :P Apr 06 16:51
schestowitz But the idea that /other/ news like 3-strike is being passed in Ireland means that MAFIAA is calling the shot Apr 06 16:51
schestowitz *shots Apr 06 16:51
schestowitz zer0c00l: good, keeps radiation levels low. Apr 06 16:52
zer0c00l :D Apr 06 16:52
zer0c00l if some one found possession of mobile phone, they will be fined and suspended for a week Apr 06 16:52
zer0c00l thats bad roy Apr 06 16:52
zer0c00l :( Apr 06 16:52
Eruaran ‘theft by finding’ Apr 06 16:52
Eruaran One of the most absurd things I have ever heard Apr 06 16:53
zer0c00l suspension for using mobile phones Apr 06 16:53
schestowitz Could be worse, Eruaran: Kremlin owns up to new media empire < http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/pos… > Apr 06 16:53
schestowitz Old but good news: T-Mobile to Use Google Software in Devices for Home  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04… >. Google’s Linux will hopefully open up a bit. Apr 06 16:54
Eruaran They dropped the charges. I notice there was no apology and no reprimand of the moron who arrested him. Furthermore, I suppose they’ll keep the fingerprints taken, along with the DNA swab and a photo for police records.. Apr 06 16:57
schestowitz Fraudsters for sale: http://www.theinquirer.net/in… Apr 06 16:58
schestowitz Eruaran: maybe. Apr 06 16:59
schestowitz tessier: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner discontinued < http://www.heise.de/english/news… > Apr 06 17:03
schestowitz We still have code and designs. Apr 06 17:03
schestowitz “Dixons shares jumped nearly 12 per cent today on news that it has started cutting its Nordic stores and is considering a rights issue to speed the rest of the restructure.” < http://www.channelregister.co.uk… > Apr 06 17:05
schestowitz General Morons: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/04/… “So it’s goodbye to Rick Wagoner, General Motor’s youngest ever CEO and a man whose legacy will have people arguing long into the evenings.” Apr 06 17:07
schestowitz Microsoft has finally found a way to ‘kill’ Google — a new name < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/… > Apr 06 17:08
schestowitz Time for PGP: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/… (Net firms start storing user data) Apr 06 17:09
zer0c00l live search, people still using it ? :P Apr 06 17:10
zer0c00l microsoft people even wont use that i guess Apr 06 17:10
schestowitz zer0c00l: it declines Apr 06 17:10
schestowitz Same with Hotmail Apr 06 17:10
schestowitz Even bribing users did not help Apr 06 17:11
schestowitz They run at a loss at like half a billion per year or quarter Apr 06 17:11
zer0c00l :-) Apr 06 17:11
zer0c00l if you cannot provide values to users eventually you will die :D Apr 06 17:12
zer0c00l microsoft will die soon Apr 06 17:12
schestowitz Alison Brimelow (EPO) dissed @ http://binariesaspriorart.org/ “activities as such.”  …  “programs as such” … “programs as such” Apr 06 17:17
schestowitz zer0c00l: not soon. Apr 06 17:17
schestowitz Not die anyway. Apr 06 17:17
zer0c00l then how it will be in future? Apr 06 17:18
zer0c00l become another company like redhat? Apr 06 17:18
schestowitz They try to shove their small neck through the doors of winners who are gaining at its expense. That’s why it invades so many enemy territories. Apr 06 17:18
schestowitz They also try to ruin disruption Apr 06 17:18
schestowitz Like the MAFIAA tries to sue its competition out of business Apr 06 17:18
schestowitz Or like Luddites attacked the machines Apr 06 17:19
schestowitz They are afraid of the world where Windows is worth just $0 and software is libre Apr 06 17:19
schestowitz You should call it LudditeSoft(TM) Apr 06 17:19
zer0c00l lol Apr 06 17:19
schestowitz Where do you want to go today?> Apr 06 17:20
schestowitz BillG and SteveB: http://www.spada.co.uk/lawyers-in-luddite-shock/ Apr 06 17:20
schestowitz Busy at work. Apr 06 17:20
zer0c00l luddite>> one of the 19th century English workmen who destroyed  labor-saving machinery that they thought would cause unemployment Apr 06 17:21
schestowitz Maybe we should call Microsoft Ludditesoft for attempting to simply break new business models. http://www.spada.co.uk/wp-content… Apr 06 17:22
zer0c00l :P Apr 06 17:22
schestowitz here’s the issue Apr 06 17:22
schestowitz Microsoft may be a b ig companies Apr 06 17:23
schestowitz *a big company Apr 06 17:23
schestowitz But even Microsoft+Ilk is very small compared to those who evolve with change (IBM) and grow in change (Google) Apr 06 17:23
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schestowitz Sun tried to evolve but it was too late. Same with SCO and now Microsoft, which is possibly already in debt (it’s not something one can check publicly) Apr 06 17:24
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zer0c00l yes Apr 06 17:25
zer0c00l luddite i will use it in future :-) Apr 06 17:26
schestowitz http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/S… (Sun shares plunge on reports of IBM deal collapse) Apr 06 17:26
schestowitz eBay says Skype operations could be halted due to Joltid litigation < http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d… > Apr 06 17:27
zer0c00l conflicker ran by russian gang consisting of 14 yr old? :P http://www.binrev.com/forums/index.ph… Apr 06 17:32
zer0c00l funny discussion on conflicker http://www.binrev.com/forums/ind… Apr 06 17:33
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zer0c00l Open source trojan programming forum : http://www.opensc.ws/ :D Apr 06 17:42
zer0c00l another one:http://descargashack.blogspot.com/ Apr 06 17:42
zer0c00l :D Apr 06 17:43
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schestowitz Answers regarding the patentability of software in Europe: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0… Apr 06 19:15
schestowitz “I’m sure you knew about that, but just in case: Microsoft is once more begrudgingly extenging XP life: http://www.appleinsider.com/arti… Apr 06 19:16
schestowitz “¿An attempt to avoid OEMs pre-installing GNU/Linux in the meantime Vista-7 is ready? The proof that Vista-7 will be delayed at least until 2010, or either it won’t be ready for netbooks (or the netbooks won’t be powerful enough as to run it) until that date? Either that, or the OEM are starting to rebel against MSFT’s chokehold. Probably both.” Apr 06 19:16
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schestowitz If IBM/Sun breaks down, what happens to Sun? < http://blogs.computerworld.co… > Apr 06 19:25
schestowitz Will Cisco jump in? Apr 06 19:29
PetoKraus hmm Apr 06 19:33
PetoKraus did you notice http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean… Apr 06 19:33
schestowitz Yes, not news Apr 06 19:35
PetoKraus well Apr 06 19:35
PetoKraus i’m wondering why was it mentioned again Apr 06 19:36
schestowitz The news about UK spying is not news. One year ago: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/… Apr 06 19:37
schestowitz maybe it’s mentioned again because now it becomes a reality Apr 06 19:37
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schestowitz “Con respecto a distribuidores de Linux, tienen acuerdos con Novell, TurboLinux y Xandros. En cuanto a empresas de electrónica de consumo, ha llegado a acuerdso con LG, Samsung, y Fuji Xerox. Ahora además con TomTom.” They forgot a couple. http://www.soitu.es/participacion/2… Apr 06 19:40
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schestowitz Fun with elive… “This unstable version had some issues with some of the aspects that drew me to the distribution in the first place. No longer did the 3D cube work.” http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/… Apr 06 19:48
schestowitz Jim Lynch is still throwing c* at Ubuntu: Ubuntu Linux 9.04 Beta Review–Jaunty Jackalope < http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2… > Apr 06 19:53
schestowitz Mac user finds comfort in GNU/Linux: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives… (From OSX to Ubuntu) Apr 06 19:56
schestowitz Novell’s fan site seems to be ghost-writing for rpath now. http://www.echannelline.com/usa/story… Apr 06 19:58
schestowitz PetoKraus: this guy chose Arch and rejected the *buntus http://carloslicea.blogspot.com/200… Apr 06 19:59
PetoKraus schestowitz: yeah. :) Apr 06 20:02
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: seriously who listens to some of these blogs Apr 06 20:03
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: I wonder if it wasn’t for businesses handing out capital to these bloggers as though they were lobbyists, would their sites be still around or even this robust? Apr 06 20:03
schestowitz Another new Archer: http://pindablog.wordpress.com/20… Apr 06 20:03
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: echannelline? Apr 06 20:04
schestowitz They are mostly dormant Apr 06 20:04
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schestowitz They used to bombard with Novell rah-rah-rah Apr 06 20:04
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: I was thinking more about extremetech Apr 06 20:04
schestowitz Him too Apr 06 20:04
schestowitz Jim Apr 06 20:04
schestowitz He wrote a review with the headline “Crappy Cow” Apr 06 20:05
schestowitz Something like “Ubuntu Edgy: Crappy Cow”. He gave it 4/10 IIRC Apr 06 20:05
schestowitz Got lots of attention, obviously. Apr 06 20:05
schestowitz http://www.google.com/url?s… Apr 06 20:06
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Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: and to think I was actually interested in Xandros at one point Apr 06 20:07
schestowitz Linproxandros.. Apr 06 20:07
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: yep, but I figured I can get the same usibility for a fraction of the cost and issues with actual Linux apps running Red Hat and WINE Apr 06 20:08
schestowitz Maybe I’ll use wine one day, but I doubt it Apr 06 20:08
schestowitz It’s not healthy from a legal POV, either, methinks Apr 06 20:08
schestowitz As Microsoft dies (sort of), it’ll ramp up the legal card, as it did with TomTom Apr 06 20:09
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: well the NT kernel is based of off VMS when you get to the bottom of it Apr 06 20:09
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schestowitz Novell’s deal with Microsoft revealed what projects Microsoft had sight on… Easter 2007 redacted forms Apr 06 20:09
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: do you have a link to that article? Apr 06 20:12
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: btw, do you think Sun Micro will go the way of the Dodo Bird since IBM turned down the aquisition? Apr 06 20:12
trmanco hello guys Apr 06 20:13
Carl_Rover2k12 hiyo Apr 06 20:14
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: its alright I just don’t know about the 2007 redacted forms you mentioned Apr 06 20:16
schestowitz Hey, trmanco Apr 06 20:17
schestowitz How was Spain? Apr 06 20:17
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: I don’t know about Sun Apr 06 20:17
schestowitz Which article specifically? Apr 06 20:17
trmanco schestowitz, very cool, but no I’m facing the consequences Apr 06 20:17
schestowitz I see… Apr 06 20:17
schestowitz You met a girl, eh? Apr 06 20:17
schestowitz Someone just mailed me: “Just checked out Google Chrome, it runs like a dream, a pleasure to use. Blindingly fast even on problem sites. Now what was the name of that imaginary kernel OS browser that MS said was more secure than Chrome? VAPORWARE is all. I wonder what techno-whores they got to write up that piece of fiction.” Apr 06 20:18
trmanco schestowitz, many, but nothing related to that Apr 06 20:18
schestowitz Now get this: “Fester: Quick Google Chrome is stealing too much mindshare, quick write up a BS techno report on a more secure browser. Don’t worry if it actually has to work, after all, we have no intention of ever building it. We just want to freeze migration to Chrome, at least until ‘Internet Explorer 8′ comes out.” Microsoft said it was like 5000 lines of code, IIRC. Vapourware! Apr 06 20:18
trmanco I’m sick now, I’ve got a flu Apr 06 20:18
schestowitz flu-dfu Apr 06 20:18
Carl_Rover2k12 trmanco: hmmm, bad tappas Apr 06 20:19
Carl_Rover2k12 just kidding, but thats too bad. Apr 06 20:20
Carl_Rover2k12 (not sarcasm) Apr 06 20:20
trmanco define tappas Apr 06 20:20
trmanco I can barely think straight Apr 06 20:21
trmanco brb Apr 06 20:21
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tessier_ http://www.flickr.com/photos/nqt_bin/3… <- Linux dudes get the hot chicks Apr 06 20:22
schestowitz I was expecting a picture of newly-hatched eggs on a grill. Apr 06 20:23
schestowitz tessier: you’re afraid of fire ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nqt… Apr 06 20:24
schestowitz Dell to sell more sub-notebooks with GNU/Linux preinstalled: http://www.dailytech.com/Dell+Netbo… Apr 06 20:26
schestowitz “This morning, as we go to press, the (JAVA/SUNW) shares are down 22 per cent …” http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… Apr 06 20:29
schestowitz OpenMoko has a secret plan going: http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… Apr 06 20:30
schestowitz Not a single word about the fact that Samsung sold out to Microsoft (tax): http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/200… Apr 06 20:44
tessier_ schestowitz: I hope openmoko makes it. I bought  one of their phones. Still can’t really use it yet. If the whole project dies I am going to be really bummed. Apr 06 20:46
schestowitz I thought they were making Android available for it Apr 06 20:46
tessier_ I’m not sure what the current plan is. Apr 06 20:47
schestowitz I’ve always reckoned Likewise are former Microsoft employees putting Trojans in *NIX: http://www.networkworld.com/newsletter… Apr 06 20:48
schestowitz Like Mono, but this group is actually Microsoft employees, not just a guy who wanted to become one and joined hands with another (Nat Friedman, Microsoft, now Novlel) Apr 06 20:49
schestowitz Big money votes GNU/Linux: Morgan Stanley Growing Its Use of Linux < http://www.wallstreetandtech.com/it-… > Apr 06 20:51
schestowitz “MIDs (mobile Internet devices) may be the channel for Linux to reach mainstream consumers in Asia, according to an analyst.” http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/softwar… Apr 06 20:54
schestowitz Signs that Vista7 will be out next year, and suck http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2456 (Microsoft will allow Windows 7 users to downgrade to XP) Apr 06 20:59
balzac I hope OpenMoko will make their software run on the T-mobile G1 and colonize their hardware, as well as plan compatibility with other good hardware. Apr 06 21:04
schestowitz Some Gremlins took an old article and renamed it “KDE Strides Ahead While Gnome Stagnates” for hits. Apr 06 21:04
balzac Ultimately, they need to get back on track with their own hardware, but mimmicking the iPhone was not the best design choice. Apr 06 21:04
schestowitz Plan B — what does the B stand for?;-) Apr 06 21:05
schestowitz Binary? Apr 06 21:05
balzac OpenMoko needs more capital invested for them to do bigger manufacturing runs with more competent manufacturers Apr 06 21:05
schestowitz Breaking jail? Apr 06 21:05
balzac The commitment to free software and open hardware specifications are important. Intelligent venture capitalists should see the eventual ROI in the OpenMoko project. Apr 06 21:06
schestowitz Party for which they wear grey hats.. http://www.h-online.com/open/Wh… ( What happens at a hackathon? ) Apr 06 21:07
tessier_ But apparently they don’t. Apr 06 21:07
schestowitz VC is down significantly too Apr 06 21:07
schestowitz Like a third of what it used to be Apr 06 21:07
balzac OpenMoko should colonize android-compatible hardware Apr 06 21:07
schestowitz I doubt many startups have hopes of getting backing ATM Apr 06 21:08
schestowitz Balrog: BigG won’t like that Apr 06 21:08
schestowitz Oops. balzac Apr 06 21:08
balzac just maintain their own mobile device distro until such time as they get updated specs for the open hardware. the keyboard is a must. Apr 06 21:08
balzac I don’t appreciate the exclusion of GNU from android. Apr 06 21:09
schestowitz It’s not called gphone Apr 06 21:09
schestowitz That’s what people called it before it was announed Apr 06 21:09
balzac or the refusal to host or provide GSOC grants to AGPL-licensed projects Apr 06 21:09
schestowitz gPhone Apr 06 21:09
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: any cellphone can be really considered a gPhone if it is compatible with and the user utilizes google apps for it. Even the iPhone is g to an extent due to its built in GoogleMaps functions Apr 06 21:11
schestowitz Software->Service Apr 06 21:11
Carl_Rover2k12 balzac: Android OS is like a more sophisticated BREW Apr 06 21:11
schestowitz Does Maps already generate profit for Google? They do listings Apr 06 21:12
schestowitz YouTube still loses loads Apr 06 21:12
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: I’m sure it does, they already include Zegats findings within it Apr 06 21:12
schestowitz Good for them Apr 06 21:12
schestowitz Services without forcing the use, BUT… there is a danger Apr 06 21:13
schestowitz Google can starve a lot of competitors… in Web video, mapping, search (exclusive gateway to information), old books, etc Apr 06 21:13
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: not to mention hosting documents Apr 06 21:14
balzac Carl_Rover2k12: it’s a good thing you can put a debian image on the g1 so you have gnu user-space in addition to android Apr 06 21:14
schestowitz balzac: not many people would do that Apr 06 21:14
schestowitz They haven’t the skills and Google won’t hold their hands Apr 06 21:14
schestowitz Same with PS3 Linux Apr 06 21:14
balzac i want bash on my g1, not some kind of neutered terminal Apr 06 21:14
schestowitz wow. http://vistasucks.files.wordpress.c… Apr 06 21:15
balzac grep, awk, sed, etc. Apr 06 21:15
balzac nano, emacs, vi – why wouldn’t i want these available for my g1 via a well-maintained repository? Apr 06 21:15
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: nice art Apr 06 21:16
schestowitz Nice screenshots here: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4591 Apr 06 21:16
balzac why would I want a neutered, consumer-grade OS, with no options to upgrade or modify on such a nice little computer? Apr 06 21:16
schestowitz balzac: Google uses a lot of GNU Apr 06 21:16
balzac yeah, but why put developers in a little rat-maze? Apr 06 21:17
schestowitz In fact, Chris DeiBona attributes some Google success explicitly by mentioning GNU Apr 06 21:17
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: lol http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joy… Apr 06 21:17
schestowitz But he’s their FOSS chief Apr 06 21:17
schestowitz Not necessarily a reflection of the whole. Apr 06 21:17
balzac DiBona should go and kiss the lapels of RMS’ suit like a general of Saddam Hussein Apr 06 21:17
balzac jk Apr 06 21:18
schestowitz From my POV, Google has helped me a lot with information and entertainment, just like LATEX served as a good tool and so has GNU/Linux. Microsoft is another story altogether… like a hardware leech. Apr 06 21:18
balzac He should bow to RMS like Obama bowed to King Abdullah Apr 06 21:18
balzac again, just kidding… Apr 06 21:18
schestowitz I think he’s cool with him Apr 06 21:19
schestowitz I correspond with both sometimes. Apr 06 21:19
schestowitz Google is RMS’ new antithesis Apr 06 21:19
balzac I have a higher expectation of respect and payment of tribute for the “GNU-Father” than “open source” people. Apr 06 21:19
schestowitz They take away his OWN code and proprietarise it to the extent that they can, using the network. Apr 06 21:19
schestowitz Some open source people are actually FS people Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz Defends on you you refer to Apr 06 21:20
balzac I know Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz If ESR, then yet Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz But some are more GNU-oriented, even in the “open source” camp Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz Microsoft is so yesterday. I fail to find any new product from them, just vapourware and catchup for the most part. This is good. Apr 06 21:21
schestowitz MSFT ought to report results in a few weeks. It’ll be ugly, unless they lowered their forecast sufficiently. Apr 06 21:22
schestowitz Clinton calls for stricter Antarctic tourism limits < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/s… > Did Hillary /fly/ over to make the statement? Apr 06 21:23
schestowitz More authors turn to Web and print-on-demand publishing < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/0… > The notion of publishing books is an aging one, for sure. Apr 06 21:24
Balrog schestowitz: as long as they give me unencrypted PDF’s I’m happy Apr 06 21:27
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: but but what about Windows 7 as well as Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7? Apr 06 21:28
schestowitz Vista7 is vapourware and Mobile is in trouble, by Ballmer’s admission Apr 06 21:29
schestowitz [not in these words] Apr 06 21:29
schestowitz WM is having a crisis, as does Vista. Vista7 is a gown and it makes no money Apr 06 21:29
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: WinMo in trouble? heresy! they got HTC, HP and Asus smartphones Apr 06 21:30
schestowitz How much is a WM licence? Apr 06 21:30
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: their market share is not high and they lag behind in terms of features Apr 06 21:30
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: enough to pay for M$ legal team and continue to develope as much back door piracy tracking DRM software as possible Apr 06 21:30
schestowitz Controversy Erupts Over Possible MS Mobile App Fee < http://www.pcworld.com/article/162046/con… Apr 06 21:31
schestowitz > Apr 06 21:31
schestowitz Microsoft kills Windows Mobile honeycomb < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/4… > Apr 06 21:31
schestowitz Windows Mobile Is Still Immobile < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content… > Apr 06 21:31
schestowitz Windows Mobile misses annual shipment target < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/a… > Apr 06 21:31
schestowitz Why Windows Mobile Is In Trouble < http://www.nytimes.com/externa… > Apr 06 21:32
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: in more news M$ shoots themselves in the foot some more by trying to immitate the competition but with monpoly styled levied fees Apr 06 21:32
schestowitz Is it time to ditch Windows Mobile? < http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18… > Apr 06 21:32
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: thanks for the links Apr 06 21:32
schestowitz Windows Mobile Bluetooth vulnerability allows access to any files < http://www.heise.de/english/new… > Apr 06 21:32
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: don’t be misled by MS marketung Apr 06 21:33
schestowitz It’s a very competent company when it comes to litigation, theft and marketing Apr 06 21:33
schestowitz Can Microsoft make its future mobile? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busi… > Apr 06 21:33
schestowitz Does Microsoft prefer the iPhone to Windows Mobile? < http://www.itwire.com/content… > Apr 06 21:33
schestowitz Windows Mobile: What Microsoft Needs to Fix < http://www.businessweek.com/technology… Apr 06 21:33
schestowitz > Apr 06 21:33
schestowitz Microsoft’s mobile strategy has gone missing < http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,10… > Apr 06 21:34
schestowitz Microsoft falls behind in mobiles < http://www.australianit.news.com.au/st… > Apr 06 21:34
schestowitz Windows Mobile – Like Being Dropped in a Toilet < http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?… > Apr 06 21:34
schestowitz iPhone 2.x Beats Windows Mobile 6.x into Coma < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/deskt… > Apr 06 21:34
schestowitz Why Windows Mobile will die.< http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit… > Apr 06 21:35
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: Microsoft sees an opportunity the iPhone styled mobile environment brings to create future mobile platforms that further limit the user to utilizing apps they only see fit and they should be happy so long as the GUI is intuitive and pretty Apr 06 21:35
schestowitz Microsoft Hides Its Mobile and Business Apps Divisions < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/articl… > Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Windows Mobile loses loads of money. Apr 06 21:35
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: they bought Danger Apr 06 21:35
schestowitz BSD Apr 06 21:35
schestowitz They hire Apr 06 21:35
schestowitz UNIX developers Apr 06 21:36
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: think about it, M$ already has MSN, Live Search with maps and even an online dictionary such as Encarta Apr 06 21:36
schestowitz The United States loves Windows Mobile… Cryptome: NSA has access to Windows Mobile smartphones < http://blogs.securiteam.com/in… > Apr 06 21:36
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: all of them LOSE money Apr 06 21:36
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: NSA doesn’t like Blackberries Apr 06 21:36
schestowitz They have some very profitable products like Office Apr 06 21:36
schestowitz But having one success story and MANy products can be worse than just one success Apr 06 21:37
schestowitz Like Google with search/ads Apr 06 21:37
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: which is why they are counting on Winmo to confine the user to those services, so they make money Apr 06 21:37
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: Canadians Apr 06 21:37
schestowitz They have iPhone Apr 06 21:37
schestowitz With the Bush buddies at AT&T Apr 06 21:37
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: also NSA had problems with Blackberries creating a documented trail of all action done on the phone, because under law since Nixon a President must always leave a paper trail of every action they do Apr 06 21:38
schestowitz AT&T is horrid: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09… Apr 06 21:38
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: here in the UK copies of the calls is stored for at least one here in a datacentre Apr 06 21:38
schestowitz Skype — well, I dunno if they already got the codes Apr 06 21:39
schestowitz The Italian police is screaming at Skype and in Germany I think they caved already Apr 06 21:39
schestowitz In China, the government reads people’s IM in Skype. fact. Apr 06 21:39
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: in Germany the police did an unwarranted raid of the Wikileaks German domain owner because of an article published there concerning which websites will be blacklisted Apr 06 21:40
schestowitz They did the same with a TOR admin Apr 06 21:41
schestowitz They are tough Apr 06 21:41
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: ahh AT&T the persuit of patents, as well as constantly changin their TOS to try to make sure they continue to force people to exclusively use their services while promoting themselves as a “unlocked phone” company for as long as possible Apr 06 21:41
schestowitz AT&T is very close to the government AFAICT Apr 06 21:42
schestowitz Like the oil companies Apr 06 21:42
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: I heard the CIA is taking a more favored approach for TOR by setting up their own hosts which packet sniff Apr 06 21:42
schestowitz “Come play in our sandox” Apr 06 21:44
schestowitz *box Apr 06 21:44
schestowitz Vista helps GNU/Linux: http://www.itp.net/news/551587-… “Thanks in part to Vista, open source software has entered into the OS discussion” Apr 06 21:45
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: yea sort of like that, but unless people know the exact DNS of every CIA honeypot in the world it will be hard to pinpoint which are being hosted on Tor Apr 06 21:46
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: this is why in a way a Proxy could be more trustworthy, if you know who hosts them. Then just set up a VPN to it Apr 06 21:46
schestowitz [H]omer has that Apr 06 21:48
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: yep M$ really SNAFUd with Vista and 6.5 is getting just unfavorable feedback in the development stages they are already announce Winmo 7 Apr 06 21:48
schestowitz The secret services sometimes have their IPs leaked Apr 06 21:49
schestowitz Wikileaks revealed some actually Apr 06 21:49
schestowitz Let me see if I can find it Apr 06 21:49
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: but that probably has more to do with their HQ and domestic offices. Apr 06 21:49
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: what about their foriegn liaisons? Apr 06 21:49
schestowitz Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/… Apr 06 21:49
schestowitz German Secret Intelligence Service (BND T-Systems network assignments, 13 Nov 2008 < http://wikileaks.org/wiki/German_Secr… > Apr 06 21:50
schestowitz Whoa… “There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.” Apr 06 21:50
schestowitz Oh, here: http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/German_Secr… Apr 06 21:51
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: no text maybe because the German Police took it off after the raid Apr 06 21:52
schestowitz poageRank5… makes you wonder if that too is a reason for a Wikileaks crackdown Apr 06 21:52
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schestowitz Canada: Violation Of Open Source Licence Agreement Creates Liability For Copyright Infringement < http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?arti… > Apr 06 21:53
schestowitz Old news, still being brought up Apr 06 21:54
Carl_Rover2k12 anyway I got to get going now, thanks for being the wealth of information which points out the wrong doings and abuses by businesses as well as government bodies being bankrolled by the afformentioned against indivisuals along with honest IPs Apr 06 21:59
Carl_Rover2k12 IP= Intellectual Property Apr 06 21:59
schestowitz Internet Protocol Apr 06 21:59
schestowitz I hate having to use the term Intellectual Property in papers Apr 06 21:59
schestowitz Here in the US it’s called UK-IPO too, which helps not at all Apr 06 22:00
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: perhaps, but it is the way the legal system throughout North America and Europe define creative works and inventions. Its as hard to dislodge from their vocabular as it would be for programming to not call a menu for putting in text based commands into a terminal. Even if M$ insists on calling it a command prompt Apr 06 22:02
schestowitz Yes, but it’s not a lingual/semantic issue alone Apr 06 22:03
schestowitz The business and even academic world still discourage dissemination of knowledge Apr 06 22:03
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Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: but is that the fault of the word, or how legal academia encourages milking it for any cent it could not even be worth so long as you can warp the opinions of others within the legal framework as it is? Apr 06 22:05
Carl_Rover2k12 anyway I’ll leave this discussion to another time, been a pleasure chatting with you Apr 06 22:07
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tacone if you like haikus :) http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2… Apr 06 22:11
schestowitz Wow. what a surprise. Apr 06 22:15
schestowitz All his colleagues from Microsoft said “yes” Apr 06 22:15
schestowitz Lies, damn lies, and monkeys (mono) Apr 06 22:15
tacone it has to have been a big decision Apr 06 22:16
tacone seems more a technology evangelist to me that a project manager or whatever else. Apr 06 22:16
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chips Hello everyone Apr 06 23:33
chips This one is old, but I was wondering if you had seen it?  http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=490 Apr 06 23:35
chips U.S. Navy orders Bill Gates to install SPARC/Solaris with Sun Rays Apr 06 23:35
schestowitz Hey there. Apr 06 23:37
chips Hello Apr 06 23:37
schestowitz Let me see… Apr 06 23:37
schestowitz I think I heard about it. Apr 06 23:37
schestowitz Stupid lobbyists work to loot people ATM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j… Apr 06 23:38
chips mostly I would expect that you have Apr 06 23:38
schestowitz Are you chips from MS-Watch BTW? Apr 06 23:38
chips yes Apr 06 23:38
schestowitz Cool. Apr 06 23:38
schestowitz Goblin hasn’t been here for like a month. Apr 06 23:38
chips great respect for all your work and your team, BTW Apr 06 23:38
schestowitz ‘Paul Murphy’ is leaving ZDNet Apr 06 23:38
schestowitz Maybe the site goes AWOL Apr 06 23:39
schestowitz Thanks, chips Apr 06 23:39
chips ZDNET is a M$ shill site mostly anyway Apr 06 23:39
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/29/z… Apr 06 23:39
schestowitz ZDNet has Microsoft connections Apr 06 23:39
chips yes Apr 06 23:39
schestowitz Its job is to keep people stupid Apr 06 23:39
schestowitz re technology Apr 06 23:40
chips people are ignorant by default Apr 06 23:40
chips its up to us to educate them Apr 06 23:40
schestowitz It’s like ITFox Apr 06 23:40
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chips Roy I think your post does not link correctly:  Links 06/04/2009: IBM Withdraws Sun Offer, Linux Gets FS-Cache Apr 06 23:45
chips as no text available when clicking on the link Apr 06 23:46
schestowitz Which link? Apr 06 23:46
chips I usually check out your site almost every day Apr 06 23:46
chips the IBM withdraws Sun Offer Apr 06 23:47
schestowitz I usually use the W3C validator to catch typos Apr 06 23:47
schestowitz Are there broken links. Apr 06 23:47
schestowitz Let me see… Apr 06 23:47
chips no story with the headline Apr 06 23:47
chips that is see, could be me Apr 06 23:47
schestowitz I’ve just clicked on all 5 links re Sun/IBM Apr 06 23:48
schestowitz They all seem to work Apr 06 23:48
chips ok, then its me Apr 06 23:49
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0… Apr 06 23:49
schestowitz I thought I screwed up but logged out it still works Apr 06 23:50
schestowitz But it’s good to check anyway ;-s Apr 06 23:50
chips guess I do not see the five links for the IBM/Sun story Apr 06 23:52
chips with that link Apr 06 23:52
schestowitz It’s further down a bit. Main story Apr 06 23:52
schestowitz I’m doing another batch ATM Apr 06 23:52
chips Ok, now I see, sorry about that Apr 06 23:53
chips In a way Sun had much of the same problem that Mac did before it moved to x86 and nix Apr 06 23:55
chips only Sun did not have a real plan to make money Apr 06 23:55
chips they needed to sell sparc, at least a cheaper sparc to consumers as well as businesses Apr 06 23:56
chips Roy, it was great chatting with you Apr 06 23:57
chips good bye Apr 06 23:58
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schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… Apr 06 23:59
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  1. Victor Soliz said,

    April 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm


    Roy, could you please post these logs in a separate page so the blog posts are just a link to them? They are very large and make reading the home page or the RSS feed very hard.

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