Gemini version available ♊︎

Firm Behind Novell Bid Has Shady Past, Could be Tied to Microsoft (Paul E. Singer’s ‘Vulture Fund’)

Posted in Courtroom, GNU/Linux, Google, Microsoft, Novell, SCO, UNIX at 9:12 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

“…Microsoft wished to promote SCO and its pending lawsuit against IBM and the Linux operating system. But Microsoft did not want to be seen as attacking IBM or Linux.”

Larry Goldfarb, Baystar, key investor in SCO

Summary: A detailed analysis of the pseudo-firm (Elliott) that wants to buy Novell and how the bid came about

OVER the past couple of days we have written three posts about the bid to buy Novell, namely:

  1. Novell May be Going Private, Hedge Fund Has Cash
  2. Analyst Expects Microsoft Bid to Buy Novell
  3. Ron Hovsepian Receives Another Large Lump of Cash as Novell Sale Looms

Few people appear to have actually paid attention to the source of the funds. We had a long discussion about this in IRC last night and we append the logs at the bottom (the relevant parts). While Novell’s whitepapers against Red Hat are being bumped up (we mentioned this twice last week and it still happens), there is also a great deal of distraction away from Novell’s trial against SCO. It is almost as though the bid came at a very strategic time, as we shall explain a little later.

Some Background

First of all, where did the bid come from? It’s a man called Paul E. Singer, who has a shady past; he also engages in some outrageous activities, which in some countries might actually land him in jail. Singer is the man behind Elliott and here is the type of things he is doing:

His other activities do not strike me as exactly praiseworthy, either. Buying up debt from poor countries and forcing repayment may make him rich, but it does not help out the masses in those places, people who are hardly to blame for the fecklessness of their leaders.

Men like Singer, operating under the radar, have distorted our national life and international reputation to such a degree that we are really having trouble figuring out what’s causing our current malaise. They simply do what they please and make the rest of us stick it. It seems like the NYT has finally done its job here of informing the public.

To put a long story short (in a nutshell), this guy probably belongs in prison. He is a parasite to entire nations. In the New York Times, Singer’s firm is described as a “vulture fund”. Here is another item about him, titled “Vulture Economics”

Elliott has done this in strapped developing countries such as Peru, Argentina, and the Republic of Congo where local press reports have labeled the company a “vulture investor.”

Peru, Argentina, and the Republic of Congo are all the countries we were able to identify as victims of Singer’s infinite greed. The word “vulture” in the name fits well also with Intellectual Vultures (another common nym for Intellectual Ventures, which we covered in the previous post). Intellectual Ventures is picking up patents from dead/dying companies, whereas Singer does that with national debt. He also preys on dying companies as we will show in a moment.

Novell’s Stake

Groklaw cites an article that says “Linux finally breaks even” [at Novell] and then it says: “So is that indicating that Elliott Management has it exactly backwards?”

“So… would that mean all the dirt on Microsoft or whoever else is behind the SCO attack on Linux that likely surfaced in discovery in SCO v. Novell would disappear from the planet?”
      –Pamela Jones, Groklaw
Not really. We’ll get to that later. Linking to this article from a Microsoft booster, Groklaw speculates: “Taking profits… is that all this was about, maybe?”

Groklaw explored the background of Singer and his pseudo-firm (they contribute nothing). It links to many reports about Novell’s results and then comes to the realisation that Singer wants to take Novell private. “Private,” asks Groklaw, “They want to take it private? So… would that mean all the dirt on Microsoft or whoever else is behind the SCO attack on Linux that likely surfaced in discovery in SCO v. Novell would disappear from the planet?”

Nice timing, eh?

Here is the press release, which had Groklaw say: “What a coincidence. Just on the eve of trial in SCO v. Novell. Elliott says they own 8.5% of Novell’s common stock.”

The Inquirer links this disruptive news to the SCO trial as well:

JUST BEFORE the trial opens in the SCO v. Novell lawsuit, investment fund Elliott Associates has offered to buy Novell for $2 billion.


While Novell seems fairly likely to win, SCO seems to have a sympathetic federal judge on its side and will certainly try to sway the jury. Since the issue is over whether Novell actually owns the Unix copyrights then it could get messy.

For Elliott to benefit from its offer to buy Novell, it might be gambling either that the share price might increase dramatically after the trial is over and the inevitable appeals are decided, or that the shares might take a real battering during the judicial process, making the company relatively cheap to acquire, or both, in which case it might stand to make a lot of money.

Regarding this coverage from Boston, Groklaw says: “If this is a Microsoft play, I would imagine the antitrust complaints will be filling the sky in no time.”

Well, guess what? “Novell, Inc. Investor Alert: Offer under investigation,” says this new press release.

An investigation on behalf of current long term shareholders in Novell, Inc. (Public, NASDAQ:NOVL) concerning shareholder claims over potential breaches of fiduciary duty and other violations of state law in connection with an alleged unfair takeover was announced.

It’s not too crazy to assume or at least suspect that Microsoft is playing by proxy here. Microsoft did fund SCO in this way, in order to prolong the lawsuit against Linux. As we showed a few days ago, Microsoft is attacking Google by proxy and no longer hides this, either. “So Microsoft admits it is behind the investigations that have been initiated,” wrote Groklaw. “They make it sound like they just answered some questions, but the truth is, I remember very well Microsoft predicting this was going to happen. It *could* be a coincidence, I suppose. Snort. Anyone can lodge a complaint, and when that happens, it has to be investigated to see if it’s legitimate, I suppose, so anyone who wants to harass a competitor certainly can. By the way, would you like to know why more people use Google? I can tell you why I do. Because their algorithms work better and you can find what you are looking for reliably and quickly, and Google Search worked better FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY it was made available to the public, before there was any effect from any numbers of users.”

Watch Steve Ballmer and his buddies being a bunch hypocrites, suggesting that Google did not play by the rules. Who on Earth do they think they are to make such allegations? Wow. Just wow.

Let’s look at Singer again. Groklaw goes back to older articles from months ago. From December it pulls:

“Now the party is truly over,” Paul Singer, founder of the $16 billion hedge fund, wrote in a confidential letter to investors Oct. 15, obtained by MarketWatch. “The current economic and market environment resembles the one for which Elliott was formed.”

To do so, Mr. Singer is looking to to raise money from investors, the report said. Elliott could round up roughly $2 billion next year by inviting existing investors to commit more money, MarketWatch said, citing one investor who’s adding to positions and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Here is that magic number again:

Elliott, which Singer started in 1977, is looking to raise money to take advantage of the situation. The firm could take in about $2 billion next year by inviting existing investors to commit more money, according to one investor who’s adding to positions and spoke on condition of anonymity.


Most investment firms shun large, complicated bankruptcies and other complex situations, but Elliott actively seeks them out. As a former corporate-finance attorney and Harvard Law School graduate, Singer seems to relish the chance to control the outcome of investments through litigation.

The current bankruptcy wave should provide lots of complex situations for Elliott to delve into. Moody’s Investors Service counted 250 defaults by companies it rates, through the end of November. That’s already higher than any previous year.

$2 billion? What an interesting number. Coincidence? It was less than a month later (just after calling for raising of money) that Singer put money in Novell.

Elliott began acquiring Novell stock on Jan. 4 and controls about 8.5 percent of the company.

Almost exactly 2 month later he sent a letter offering to buy the whole of Novell, via someone called Cohn (see details in the log below). From late January we have this:

Hedge Funds Sue Porsche for Billion Lost on VW

A group of hedge funds filed a lawsuit on Monday against Porsche SE and two former executives, accusing the German sports car company of lying and illegally manipulating shares of Volkswagen A.G., thus costing the funds more than $1 billion in trading losses.

The funds — Elliott Management, Glenview Capital Management, Glenhill Capital Management and Perry Partners — say Porsche schemed to secretly corner the market in VW’s stock beginning in early 2008 as part of calculated attempt to eventually take over the company.

“Hedge fund Elliott accuses rival of espionage,” said Reuters on February 26th (less than one week before the Novell bid):

Hedge fund Elliott Management Corp sued Cedar Hill Capital Partners LLC on Tuesday, alleging its rival engaged in corporate espionage by misappropriating its proprietary software used for trading.

In February we find this:

Greenlight and Elliott Said to Help Ross Raise $1.1 Billion


Ross and his partners in the real estate firm Related Companies, Jeff Blau and Bruce Beal Jr., got the funds in a private placement managed by Deutsche Bank, said the person, who declined to be identified because the talks are private.

Here is some more coverage about the bid which came less than a month later:

Elliott said it would pay $5.75 a share in cash for Novell, a price that is 21 percent higher than Novell’s closing stock price on Tuesday. Wall Street’s initial response to the bid, announced after the stock market closed, was to anticipate the possibility of a higher offer

It’s unsolicited, so it’s somewhat hostile. In the logs below we show the connections between Singer and Icahn, who helped Microsoft take over Yahoo! without paying much at all. “Elliott Associates makes $2 billion unsolicited bid for Novell,” says this article.

New York based Elliott Associates manages more than $16 billion of capital for large institutional investors and wealthy individuals, and already holds 8.5 per cent stake in Waltham, Massachusetts-based Novell and has offered to acquire the remaining 91.5 per cent at a premium of 21 per cent over Novell’s Tuesday closing price.

It’s important to remember that Singer only put his tokens in Novell two month ago. The takeover is a recent idea, which dates back to the latest round of SCO-Novell litigation. Here is an interesting new post from Reuters. It’s saying that “Elliot’s Novell buyout [has] approach to making money”.

In fact, Elliott is no stranger to this type of deal, having made similar offers to a handful of small tech companies in the past. Typically, it owns large stakes in the companies it goes after. Last year, it was part of a private equity team that acquired MSC Software for about $360 million.

Elliott also offered to buy Packeteer, another small Nasdaq-listed tech company it owned a large stake in, but it was eventually acquired by Blue Coat Systems in 2008. Another company Elliott went after was Epicor Software, but that bid was unsuccessful.

In 2006, Elliott was part of a group led by tech-focused private equity firm Francisco Partners that took bar-code scanner maker Metrologic private. Two years later, Honeywell acquired Metrologic for $720 million.

Novell and SCO

There is something similar happening in SCO at the moment, amid seemingly-endless litigation. Groklaw has some new articles that include Novell’s objection to Yarro’s proposed loan to SCO. We wrote about it last week. Former SCO executives offer to rescue SCO financially while the company sells whatever it has left, except the lawsuit against Linux. “SCO Proposes Selling its Mobility ‘Business’… to Darl McBride,” reports Groklaw. This is pretty major because SCO fired Darl McBride a while back. Had he not been fired, nothing would be sold to him for a cash infusion to enter SCO’s coffers.

SCO’s Chapter 11 Trustee Edward Cahn not only proposes to let Ralph Yarro “loan” some money to the company at what Novell calls egregiously inequitable terms — inequitable to everyone but Ralph Yarro and the gang, that is — but now he proposes to sell SCO’s “mobility business”, which not long ago SCO said was worth millions, if I recall correctly, to another SCO insider, Darl McBride, for $35,000.


Update 2: Get a load of the assets going for $35,000. Not only do the copyrights and the source code go to the buyer, but there are 12 servers in the deal, 13 domain names, and 10 developer smartphonees. You find the list in Exhibit C Part 6, which begins with a list of the source code products involved in this transaction, but I notice something else.

This has been covered by the British press [1, 2, 3] and by Slashdot. They all cite Groklaw.

BLUSTERING BAD-BOY SCO is the zombie of the IT industry. The outfit keeps getting pummelled in court but it keeps on coming.

For ages SCO and its lawsuits should have died, serveral times. The company has run out of cash and its claims looks deader than Ramesses III without the bandages.

However, according to Groklaw the outfit’s Chapter 11 Trustee, former federal Judge Edward Cahn, has asked the bankruptcy court to let SCO sell off its “mobility business” for just $35,000.

Groklaw then wrote about “Petrofsky’s objection to SCO’s Yarro ‘loan’ motion”

Novell objected vigorously to SCO’s Motion for PostPetition Financing, the proposed Ralph Yarro “loan” to SCO which also involves granting “security interests and superpriority administrative expense status”, and now there’s a second objection, from Al Petrofsky. This will not surprise us. What would surprise us would be the court granting the motion. To give you a taste of the flavor of this filing, here’s the first paragraph of the introduction:

SCO is running out of money (no money to even pay lawyers) and Novell is blocking a cash infusion to SCO. How timely is that takeover attempt by Singer and his new, unspecified funds that he rallied for?

Novell’s Finances

For completeness, we also wish to remind readers that Novell's financial results actually disappointed investors (Groklaw apparently gets it wrong). Here is a report titled “Novell Sales Fall 6% and Disappoint Investors (NOVL)” (also in Fox and in Trading Markets).

Novell (NASDAQ: NOVL) reported fiscal Q1 EPS of $0.07, inline with consensus estimates.

Sales in the quarter fell 6% year-over-year to $202.6 million, and came in short of consensus estimates of $207.6 million.

Here is a video from a financial Web site that covers this and here is the discussion at LWN.

Other coverage of interest:

Trading Update for Novell Inc

Stocks Levitating Above Unchanged Mark In Mid-Afternoon Trading – U.S. Commentary

After the markets closed for trading on Thursday, software solutions provider Novell Inc. (NOVL) reported a higher profit in its first quarter, helped by lower operating expenses. Earnings for the quarter were in line with estimates, but revenues fell short. Looking ahead to the second quarter, Novell expects revenues to be flat sequentially.

Novell Q1 Profit Rises – Quick Facts

Novell, Inc. (NOVL: News ) Thursday reported first quarter GAAP net income of $20 million or $0.06 per share, compared to $11 million or $0.03 per share in the prior year period. Non-GAAP net income for the quarter was $25 million or $0.07 per share, compared to $24 million or $0.07 per share in last year quarter.

Novell Bids Farewell to NetWare

Novell NOVL reported mixed first-quarter results and our fair value estimate is unchanged. Total revenue fell 6% over the prior-year quarter, as a steady stream of maintenance revenue offset a 25% decline in software licenses.

Novell says Linux now breaking even

Novell profits increase in 2010′s first quarter

Novell reports increase in profit despite sales decline

Options Activity for Novell Inc

Novell Q1 net revenues down 6% to $202m

A lot of people mention Novell’s cash reserves but rarely do they mention Novell's huge debt

Here is Novell India’s Country Head speaking about stimulus:

Sandeep Menon. Country Head, Novell India, said the budget reflects the governments confidence in the Indian economy. “I am particularly please to note that there has been no knee jerk reaction to withdrawing the fiscal stimulus, as I don’t think the time is right yet,” he said.

Last year we wrote about the rumour that Novell was selling at least parts of the company, but Novell probably didn’t see the Singer bid coming. Where did the money come from? To summarise the above, Singer sought $2 billion from investors back in December, then he bought part of Novell’s shares in January. He made the bid ($2 billion) just days before the SCO trial was supposed to resume; the funds he received remain secret because it’s a private firm and if he takes over Novell, then Novell’s secrets (including discovery in the SCO case) will also remain secret, unless they choose another route (which Singer et al can veto).

Boycott Novell logo

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 4th, 2010

Chips_B_Malroy Hello, some background on Eliot the hedge fund.  Its run by Paul E. Singer    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/us/politics/22singer.html?_r=2&oref=slogin Mar 04 00:21
phIRCe-BNc Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.61 KB Mar 04 00:21
MinceR schestowitz: the Free State of Indiana? :> Mar 04 00:21
DaemonFC if some drunk breaks in, I’d want her to be able to shoot them before they did who knows what Mar 04 00:21
DaemonFC MinceR, I’m not going to start something, but you better believe that I’ll end it Mar 04 00:22
DaemonFC you better have a death wish if you break into my home Mar 04 00:22
*vermilionnnn has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 04 00:22
Chips_B_Malroy Elliott Associates, L P is a “private” company, meaning I cannot find out who deposits money there Mar 04 00:23
DaemonFC Chips_B_Malroy, I think that’s the point Mar 04 00:23
Chips_B_Malroy But that in itself should be a problem for the Fund trying to try over Novell, shouldn’t it? Mar 04 00:23
Chips_B_Malroy anti-trust Mar 04 00:24
DaemonFC MinceR, If they fire the police and there’s nobody to “protect” me, I’m going to assume that leaves me to protect myself Mar 04 00:24
DaemonFC and will do so Mar 04 00:24
DaemonFC that’s what they’re saying Mar 04 00:24
DaemonFC everyone for themselves Mar 04 00:24
Chips_B_Malroy Icahn and Elliot both conspired on one takeover Mar 04 00:24
Chips_B_Malroy or should I say agreed Mar 04 00:25
DaemonFC Chips_B_Malroy, I’d just sit back and see how this pans out Mar 04 00:25
DaemonFC it’s a novel concept that Microsoft would like to buy Novell to make it Microsoft Suse Mar 04 00:25
DaemonFC ;) Mar 04 00:25
Chips_B_Malroy also in that link, there is more on just the vulture stuff on the Congo, Singer hit Peru as well Mar 04 00:25
DaemonFC Chips_B_Malroy, This is Ballmer drive-by bidding, like when he offered to buy Yahoo just to make their stock go down Mar 04 00:26
DaemonFC make them weaker and more pliable Mar 04 00:26
DaemonFC now he basically owns Yahoo and it cost nothing Mar 04 00:26
Chips_B_Malroy I would bet money, that Gates, MS, the Gates Foundation, Ballmer, Allen, have money behind this fund Mar 04 00:27
DaemonFC that’s what I think Mar 04 00:27
DaemonFC drive by Ballmer bidding by proxy Mar 04 00:27
DaemonFC to soften Novell up Mar 04 00:27
DaemonFC I think he’s behind the offer Mar 04 00:27
Chips_B_Malroy you maybe right Mar 04 00:27
*jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell Mar 04 00:28
DaemonFC he chose an offshore private company so he wouldn’t call attention to himself Mar 04 00:28
DaemonFC or have regulators blocking the bid Mar 04 00:28
Chips_B_Malroy what is funny, is tht hedge funds have been shrinking the last couple of years, and only Elliot and a very few others grew, Elliot grew by quite a bit actually Mar 04 00:29
Chips_B_Malroy Elliot is actually two funds, one is international Mar 04 00:30
Chips_B_Malroy but both founded and  controlled by Paul E. Singer, who started out as a lawyer Mar 04 00:30
Chips_B_Malroy Harvard lawyer I think Mar 04 00:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] These guys use an ancient #KDE for their “new” OS. http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html Mar 04 00:30
phIRCe-BNc Title: North Korea’s “secret cyber-weapon”: brand new Red Star OS – RT Top Stories .::. Size~: 59.62 KB Mar 04 00:30
Chips_B_Malroy There is a lot of dirt on Singer in that NY Times article Mar 04 00:31
Chips_B_Malroy he is a big republican Mar 04 00:31
Chips_B_Malroy not that this is bad by itself Mar 04 00:31
schestowitz Any more info? Mar 04 00:33
Chips_B_Malroy If Novell still has 1 billion dollar cash reserveres (what I seen in a link) and the offer was for $2 billion, its really only an 1 billion offer, isn’t it? Mar 04 00:34
Chips_B_Malroy There is lots, actually Mar 04 00:34
Chips_B_Malroy but mostly only a small fact here and there Mar 04 00:34
Chips_B_Malroy What I really was searching for was a link between Singer and MS/Gates Mar 04 00:35
schestowitz What does Groklaw say? Mar 04 00:35
schestowitz It put many links there, I haven’t checked those yet Mar 04 00:35
Chips_B_Malroy not sure Mar 04 00:37
*darkelite (adeff40068@bgp4.us) has joined #boycottnovell Mar 04 00:37
*darkelite (adeff40068@bgp4.us) has left #boycottnovell Mar 04 00:38
schestowitz Let me check now… Mar 04 00:38
Chips_B_Malroy I will keep looking for a link online Mar 04 00:39
Chips_B_Malroy http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_E._Singer Mar 04 00:39
phIRCe-BNc Title: Paul E. Singer – SourceWatch .::. Size~: 29.87 KB Mar 04 00:39
schestowitz Interesting Mar 04 00:42
schestowitz It seems like SCO suitors Mar 04 00:42
schestowitz Who were close to gates Mar 04 00:42
schestowitz Norris, York, etc. Mar 04 00:42
schestowitz Bunch of private shells Mar 04 00:42
DaemonFC Chuck Norris Venture Capital Mar 04 00:43
DaemonFC ahhh, yes Mar 04 00:43
*Ender2070 (~Ender2070@bas1-toronto12-1128666738.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell Mar 04 00:43
DaemonFC I hear they negotiate with roundhouse kicks Mar 04 00:43
DaemonFC :P Mar 04 00:43
schestowitz SHut yo mouth or Norris will shoot ya! Mar 04 00:44
DaemonFC he doesn’t do that Mar 04 00:44
DaemonFC he roundhouse kicks Mar 04 00:44
DaemonFC my gun is useless in that situation Mar 04 00:44
Chips_B_Malroy I say it might fail anti-trust in EU Mar 04 00:45
Chips_B_Malroy but its a rubber stamp here in USA Mar 04 00:45
*bruce89 (~bruce89@ has joined #boycottnovell Mar 04 00:45
schestowitz How so? Mar 04 00:46
Chips_B_Malroy picture, if you need one:  http://hattie.typepad.com/hatties_web/2007/11/paul-e-singer.html Mar 04 00:47
phIRCe-BNc Title: Hattie’s Web: Paul E. Singer .::. Size~: 44.09 KB Mar 04 00:47
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/21/sco-infighting-and-infiltrations/ Mar 04 00:48
phIRCe-BNc Title: Just in Time: SCO Finds Another Cash Injection Proposal& from Former SCO Chairman | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 108.35 KB Mar 04 00:48
Chips_B_Malroy http://dailynews1001.blogspot.com/2010/03/elliott-offers-2-billion-buyout-of.html   “In a letter to Novell’s board, Elliott portfolio manager Jesse Cohn said the offer, net of about $1 billion in cash in the company, implies a $1 billion enterprise value, a 49 percent premium to the company’s current enterprise value.” Mar 04 00:50
phIRCe-BNc Title: DailyNews1001.Blogspot.Com: Elliott Offers $2 Billion Buyout of Novell .::. Size~: 154.83 KB Mar 04 00:50
Chips_B_Malroy so Novell still has 1 billion in cash, if I read this right, and the offer really is only for another billion Mar 04 00:51
schestowitz Yes Mar 04 00:51
schestowitz But Novell also has debt Mar 04 00:51
schestowitz About half a billion Mar 04 00:51
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/01/sco_mcbride_to_buy_mobile_assets/ Mar 04 00:51
phIRCe-BNc Title: SCO’s Linux litigation architect angles for SCO’s mobile biz • The Register .::. Size~: 24.51 KB Mar 04 00:51
Chips_B_Malroy So maybe Novell only has enough cash to last a couple of quarters then, without going into debt? Mar 04 00:54
Chips_B_Malroy Horseplan has not been good for Novell Mar 04 00:54
schestowitz Horseplan? Mar 04 00:54
schestowitz Trojan? Mar 04 00:55
MinceR hovsepian Mar 04 00:55
Chips_B_Malroy should have been shown the door long ago Mar 04 00:55
schestowitz Yes Mar 04 00:55
Chips_B_Malroy I like the Horseplan name better Mar 04 00:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell #Fail http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/03/dell_mistakenly_charges_100k_for_linux_netbook.html Mar 04 00:56
phIRCe-BNc Title: Dell Mistakenly Charges $100k For Linux Netbook .::. Size~: 30.68 KB Mar 04 00:56
DaemonFC well, they have a lot of patents Mar 04 00:57
DaemonFC putting their future in question means “Who gets the patents?” Mar 04 00:58
DaemonFC someone will get them, even in a bankruptcy sale Mar 04 00:58
Chips_B_Malroy check out this site Roy, its a resource:  http://www.nndb.com/org/774/000167273/ Mar 04 00:59
phIRCe-BNc Title: Bluegrass Committee .::. Size~: 14.23 KB Mar 04 00:59
schestowitz I sometimes think of these people in Peru Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz Some are not literate Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz And some jerk in New York and ripping them off even more Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz Pretending to help Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz If only they knew how it works Mar 04 01:01
Chips_B_Malroy they exploit the poor Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz This Singer guy belongs in prison Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz He seems to use proxies Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz Like the one in an Island for a Congo loan Mar 04 01:01
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: yes, exploit the poor to get even more rich from millions of farmers Mar 04 01:02
schestowitz Icahn seems like peanuts next to this person Mar 04 01:02
schestowitz No wonder he’s keeping so discreet Mar 04 01:02
schestowitz Voting Republicans Mar 04 01:02
Chips_B_Malroy not all republicans are bad Mar 04 01:02
schestowitz To turn a blind eye with “free market” BS while he commit white-collar crimes Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: neo-cons Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz [00:56] <Chips_B_Malroy> I like the Horseplan name better Mar 04 01:03
Chips_B_Malroy they use the law, to their own means Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz He’s from IBM Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Like Jaffe Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz But Jaffe left Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Levy too Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Before the bid Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz JIT Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Also Zonker and Friedman Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: yes, he’s a lawyer Mar 04 01:03
Chips_B_Malroy Eric Scmidt, who runs Google, used to run Novell? Mar 04 01:03
schestowitz Yes Mar 04 01:04
Chips_B_Malroy wonder if the link I should be using for Singer, since he went to Harvard, is Gates Senior instead? Mar 04 01:04
Chips_B_Malroy They probably smart enough so no real link can be established Mar 04 01:05
schestowitz Check their ages Mar 04 01:06
schestowitz I think Gates Sr. is older Mar 04 01:06
Chips_B_Malroy 63 I think Mar 04 01:06
Chips_B_Malroy more Bill age Mar 04 01:06
schestowitz Maybe they went to the same class or something Mar 04 01:06
Chips_B_Malroy could be Mar 04 01:06
schestowitz But Microsoft has other execs Mar 04 01:06
schestowitz No Harvard grads I can think of Mar 04 01:06
schestowitz Not even BillG Mar 04 01:07
schestowitz He dropped out Mar 04 01:07
tessier http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2010/03/04/201003040036.asp Mar 04 01:07
Chips_B_Malroy Billy G, wasn’t it Harvard he dropped out?  and later got an honorary? Mar 04 01:07
phIRCe-BNc Title: The Korea Herald : The Nation’s No.1 English Newspaper .::. Size~: 6.37 KB Mar 04 01:07
DaemonFC schestowitz, he has an honorary degree from Harvard Mar 04 01:07
MinceR so harvard sucks up to criminals too Mar 04 01:09
DaemonFC http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/032207-bill-gates-to-finally-receive.html Mar 04 01:09
phIRCe-BNc Title: Bill Gates to finally receive his Harvard degree .::. Size~: 85.17 KB Mar 04 01:09
Chips_B_Malroy DaemonFC, you see some of the candidates that Singer gave money to? Mar 04 01:09
schestowitz MinceR: well, duh. I’ve fallen behind in Linux news Mar 04 01:09
schestowitz brb Mar 04 01:09
schestowitz DaemonFC: I knew that Mar 04 01:09
schestowitz It doesn’t count Mar 04 01:09
Chips_B_Malroy sorry, I distract with this Mar 04 01:09
MinceR not just corvinus university of budapest does Mar 04 01:09
schestowitz Maybe he committed crimes for a few decades, so he got the diploma Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz It shows he managed to hack the system Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz That grants him good honours Mar 04 01:10
DaemonFC it’s a harvard degree Mar 04 01:10
MinceR this is a new sense of “honor” to me Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz Some lawyers become patent trolls Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz Like Ray iNiro Mar 04 01:10
Chips_B_Malroy its all about money Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz *Niro Mar 04 01:10
MinceR i thought harvard was a reputable university Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: at someone’s expense Mar 04 01:10
schestowitz MinceR: so was Stalin Mar 04 01:11
schestowitz Reputable Mar 04 01:11
schestowitz He had statues Mar 04 01:11
MinceR lol Mar 04 01:11
Chips_B_Malroy its seems Harvard is in busness of turning out some real heartless lawyers Mar 04 01:11
MinceR if only they were heartless. Mar 04 01:12
MinceR then their cells would quickly die of hypoxia. Mar 04 01:12
DaemonFC schestowitz, Just ask MinceR what the Hungarians did to his statues Mar 04 01:13
DaemonFC hint “He’s a little shorter than he used to be” Mar 04 01:13
MinceR :> Mar 04 01:13
DaemonFC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stalin%27s_Boots.jpg Mar 04 01:13
phIRCe-BNc Title: File:Stalin’s Boots.jpg – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.95 KB Mar 04 01:14
MinceR sadly they didn’t do that to the soviet monument on Kossuth square Mar 04 01:14
DaemonFC MinceR, is it still there? Mar 04 01:14
MinceR and our corrupt russianophile government insists on protecting it Mar 04 01:14
DaemonFC surely not Mar 04 01:14
MinceR it’s still there Mar 04 01:14
MinceR they say it’s protected by an agreement with the russians Mar 04 01:14
DaemonFC defaced at least? Mar 04 01:14
MinceR i say fuck the russians Mar 04 01:14
MinceR there were defacements, but it was restored Mar 04 01:14
DaemonFC no….. Mar 04 01:14
DaemonFC damn Mar 04 01:14
DaemonFC blow it up? Mar 04 01:15
MinceR these spineless criminals don’t mind at all that we have a memorial that mentions the occupation by russians as “liberation” Mar 04 01:15
*qu1j0t3 (~FurnaceBo@BAS1-TORONTO10-1279748949.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell Mar 04 01:15
MinceR it should be blown up Mar 04 01:15
MinceR preferably with our politicians neatly tied to it Mar 04 01:15
Chips_B_Malroy so here is a lawyer trying to buy Novell with the hedge fund that he controls, which the investors are private.  Should the question be, what does Novell have, or could have after the SCO trial, that certain companies, or patent trolls, would want?   Mar 04 01:15
DaemonFC MinceR, That’s a crime against the citizens that suffered under that regime and died trying to free themselves of it. Mar 04 01:16
DaemonFC It should be bulldozed Mar 04 01:16
MinceR it is Mar 04 01:16
MinceR but you can see their agenda pretty clearly Mar 04 01:16
DaemonFC preserving it should not be tolerated Mar 04 01:16
DaemonFC storm the fucking thing and tear it apart before they can disperse you Mar 04 01:17
DaemonFC don’t give them a choice Mar 04 01:17
sebsebseb DaemonFC: jono  By the way here’s an interview with one of the Ubuntu ops http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1988 Mar 04 01:17
phIRCe-BNc Title: Interview With Melissa | The Fridge .::. Size~: 12.48 KB Mar 04 01:17
MinceR they effect censorship on talk about the holocaust but protect a monument that calls the russian occupation “liberation” Mar 04 01:17
MinceR and they go around calling themselves democrats Mar 04 01:17
DaemonFC MinceR, I noticed the Communists anywhere never invade or mass murder Mar 04 01:18
DaemonFC it’s always “liberate” Mar 04 01:18
DaemonFC liberate them from the way of life they previously enjoyed? Mar 04 01:18
DaemonFC liberate them from their life? Mar 04 01:18
sebsebseb bruce89: oh you are in here, go on the above link I guess Mar 04 01:18
MinceR liberate them from the previous oppressors… only to take over Mar 04 01:18
schestowitz MinceR: the Democrats liberate them from the Democrats Mar 04 01:19
schestowitz MinceR: the Democrats liberate them from the Democrats Mar 04 01:19
DaemonFC jono, That’s terribly unprofessional and unsporting Mar 04 01:19
MinceR they say the Democrats liberated us from the Nazis Mar 04 01:19
schestowitz MinceR: the Democrats liberate them from the Rpublicans Mar 04 01:19
DaemonFC you do know that? Mar 04 01:19
jono DaemonFC, what is? Mar 04 01:19
schestowitz MinceR: the Republicans liberate them from the  Democrats Mar 04 01:19
schestowitz Love choice Mar 04 01:19
DaemonFC jono, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1988 Mar 04 01:19
phIRCe-BNc Title: Interview With Melissa | The Fridge .::. Size~: 12.48 KB Mar 04 01:20
MinceR one dictatorship after the other, with different logos Mar 04 01:20
jono DaemonFC, what about it Mar 04 01:20
MinceR and different affiliations Mar 04 01:20
schestowitz Blackwater liberated Iraq from Saddam Mar 04 01:20
DaemonFC jono, Just poor taste is all. Those CDs could have helped people. Mar 04 01:20
jono DaemonFC, lol, I didnt do it Mar 04 01:21
jono :) Mar 04 01:21
schestowitz It looks like they are eaten, DaemonFC Mar 04 01:21
sebsebseb DaemonFC: CD’s???? Mar 04 01:21
bruce89 I think it’s called sarcasm Mar 04 01:21
DaemonFC friendly competition, jono Mar 04 01:21
DaemonFC :) Mar 04 01:21
jono :) Mar 04 01:21
DaemonFC FRIENDLY Mar 04 01:21
bruce89 or something along those lines Mar 04 01:21
DaemonFC means don’t steal :P Mar 04 01:21
jono DaemonFC, appreciate the advice Mar 04 01:21
DaemonFC ceiling cat is watching you Mar 04 01:21
jono lol Mar 04 01:21
schestowitz “Ubuntu” means “CD-ROMs for others” Mar 04 01:22
MinceR what’s with the stealing CDs? Mar 04 01:22
sebsebseb bruce89: remember that roved guy? Mar 04 01:22
bruce89 no Mar 04 01:22
MinceR the article doesn’t say anything about it Mar 04 01:22
sebsebseb bruce89: well anyway he has meet elky/melissa at the Sydney Lug a few times, and he said he took the photo in  the thing I linked to Mar 04 01:22
bruce89 I see Mar 04 01:23
DaemonFC schestowitz, Have you read that lolcat bible? Mar 04 01:23
DaemonFC It’s actually kind of funny Mar 04 01:23
sebsebseb bruce89: so I guess he has mett her more than a few times Mar 04 01:24
bruce89 DaemonFC: “At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz. (Genesis 1, 3)” and so on? Mar 04 01:24
schestowitz DaemonFC: no Mar 04 01:24
DaemonFC bruce89, Leviticus chapter 18 Mar 04 01:24
sebsebseb DaemonFC: so I wasn’t following, why exactly don’t you like that link Mar 04 01:25
sebsebseb ? Mar 04 01:25
DaemonFC read that and lol Mar 04 01:25
DaemonFC sebsebseb, Snatching Fedora CDs Mar 04 01:25
schestowitz take your lol and shove it up your cat Mar 04 01:25
*jono has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Mar 04 01:25
DaemonFC sebsebseb, http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Leviticus_18 Mar 04 01:25
phIRCe-BNc Title: Leviticus 18 – LOLCat Bible Translation Project .::. Size~: 21.74 KB Mar 04 01:25
sebsebseb DaemonFC: snatching Fedora CD’s what? also now your linking to some  sort of werid page or something, why? Mar 04 01:26
DaemonFC Leviticus 18 Mar 04 01:26
MinceR lol, “beej” Mar 04 01:26
DaemonFC hilarious either way, but moreso in lolcat Mar 04 01:26
DaemonFC MinceR agrees I think :) Mar 04 01:27
DaemonFC 16 No can has teh secks wif ur broes hoes. Dats ur bro d00d! Mar 04 01:27
DaemonFC :D Mar 04 01:27
MinceR yhwh seemed to be kind of obsessed with repeating his title Mar 04 01:27
MinceR even in the original Mar 04 01:27
MinceR confidence issues? Mar 04 01:28
DaemonFC huh? Mar 04 01:28
MinceR “i am the lord” over and over Mar 04 01:28
DaemonFC oh right Mar 04 01:28
DaemonFC all throughout the bible Mar 04 01:28
DaemonFC 17 No can has gangbang wif grandma and granddawter. Has to big age difrns. Srsly. Mar 04 01:28
MinceR lol Mar 04 01:28
DaemonFC 19 No can get ur harbl wetted when ur hoes has teh bluds in hur harbl. Mar 04 01:29
DaemonFC funniest chapter in the lolcat bible Mar 04 01:29
MinceR :D Mar 04 01:29
DaemonFC 22 No can has ghey… srsly. srry, but no. Mar 04 01:30
DaemonFC oh noez! Mar 04 01:30
MinceR pwnt Mar 04 01:30
Chips_B_Malroy http://www.thealphaninja.com/2010/03/novell-up-30-after-hours-on-buyout.html Mar 04 01:30
phIRCe-BNc Title: AlphaNinja: Novell up 30% after hours, on buyout offer from Elliott International (NOVL) .::. Size~: 84.63 KB Mar 04 01:30
DaemonFC don’t get why that makes them more valuable? Mar 04 01:31
DaemonFC hmmmm Mar 04 01:31
MinceR because they expect Elliott to pay more than novell is worth Mar 04 01:31
schestowitz http://mac.blorge.com/2010/03/02/the-main-thing-is-not-to-install-flash-says-hacker-miller/ Mar 04 01:31
phIRCe-BNc Title: The main thing is not to install Flash, says hacker Miller – MAC.BLORGE .::. Size~: 39.29 KB Mar 04 01:31
schestowitz MinceR: Ellio^H^H^H^H^H^HSinger Mar 04 01:31
Chips_B_Malroy Since Elliot already owns 8.5% of Novell, a 30% increase is almost insider trading Mar 04 01:32
schestowitz You mean if they fake desire? Mar 04 01:32
MinceR do you want to keep your mac secure? upgrade to gnu/linux. Mar 04 01:32
schestowitz They could have a mate do that Mar 04 01:32
schestowitz That’s how it’s done, Chips_B_Malroy Mar 04 01:32
schestowitz They put a mate in to reduce suspicion Mar 04 01:32
Chips_B_Malroy quote from that link:  ”  Shares of enterprise software concern Novell (NOVL) are trading up sharply after hours, after multi-strategy Elliott International put out an offer to acquire the entire company for $5.75 per share. Elliott will now reap an instant windfall from the shares they’ve recently purchased between 4.30 and 4.75 in recent months.” Mar 04 01:32
Chips_B_Malroy yes Mar 04 01:32
schestowitz Then they make the announcement and have the friend dump Mar 04 01:33
bruce89 one good thing to come of the whole iPhone thing is flash being not liked so much Mar 04 01:33
schestowitz The stock market is more corrupt than casinos Mar 04 01:33
schestowitz Some people had to wait till the mltdown to realise Mar 04 01:33
schestowitz They put their whole savings/pensions/cash in there Mar 04 01:33
schestowitz And got robbed Mar 04 01:33
schestowitz Banks then looted what’s left in the form of deficit Mar 04 01:33
schestowitz I.e. the kids and grandkids will pat bankers tomorrow for what they pocket _today_ Mar 04 01:34
Chips_B_Malroy yes Mar 04 01:34
schestowitz Bonuses. Yay !! :-) Mar 04 01:34
MinceR bruce89: isn’t it balanced by lock-in and DRM being liked more? Mar 04 01:34
schestowitz GS – 23 billion on bonuses this year Mar 04 01:34
schestowitz Reward for bankrupting Greece? :-) Mar 04 01:34
Chips_B_Malroy Will Greece drag down the whole EU? Mar 04 01:35
schestowitz It’s sad that the world’s biggest criminals walk away free Mar 04 01:35
schestowitz Some are even admired as national heroes Mar 04 01:35
schestowitz Like Trump Mar 04 01:35
bruce89 MinceR: of course Mar 04 01:35
Chips_B_Malroy Then there’s Spain and Britian, neither one of them is in great shape either Mar 04 01:35
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: well, we have to bail them out Mar 04 01:35
schestowitz Some say that GS may have ‘pulled a Greece’  in the UK Mar 04 01:35
schestowitz But I never saw much evidence, yet Mar 04 01:36
bruce89 Britain’s currency doesn’t help Mar 04 01:36
schestowitz http://www.hpcwire.com/features/Fixstars-Launches-Linux-for-CUDA-86044987.html Mar 04 01:36
phIRCe-BNc Title: HPCwire: Fixstars Launches Linux for CUDA .::. Size~: 97.91 KB Mar 04 01:36
schestowitz I have a quick question Mar 04 01:37
Chips_B_Malroy what is happening in Britian, is starting to happen here in the USA.  In that the second round of layoffs are now starting to happen at the State level,  California is of course first. Mar 04 01:37
schestowitz Now that Singer wants to conquer Novell… Mar 04 01:37
schestowitz Should we call for Singer’s imprisonment? Mar 04 01:37
schestowitz And at least exposed his crimes against socity? Mar 04 01:37
schestowitz Like we did Monsanto? Mar 04 01:37
schestowitz Or would that be a distraction? Mar 04 01:38
cubezzz what bad stuff did Trump do? Mar 04 01:38
schestowitz Google it Mar 04 01:38
MinceR gn Mar 04 01:38
schestowitz Also Buffet Mar 04 01:38
DaemonFC Chips_B_Malroy, Califnoria is a bunch of money wasting uber-liberals Mar 04 01:38
schestowitz The rich people have a great crime behind their great wealth Mar 04 01:38
schestowitz Otherwise they don’t get their Mar 04 01:38
schestowitz *there Mar 04 01:38
DaemonFC they could tax 100% and not balance the budget Mar 04 01:38
schestowitz *Buffett Mar 04 01:38
Chips_B_Malroy Its obvious that Icahn was a Ballmer/Gates puppet.  Question is, is Singer? Mar 04 01:39
schestowitz http://www.financierworldwide.com/article.php?id=6286 Mar 04 01:39
phIRCe-BNc Title: Elliott offers $2bn to buy Novell .::. Size~: 21.77 KB Mar 04 01:39
schestowitz Check out publication name Mar 04 01:39
schestowitz That word make me hurl Mar 04 01:39
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: Icahn spoke to them Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz CNET reported it Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz Leaves little room for questions Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz BN has an overview for the whole thing Mar 04 01:40
Chips_B_Malroy Singer would not have a problem using Novell to sue others, like SCO is doing.  But then, it could be he just will cut it back, and run the profitable part.   Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz But for the media, it’s a quiet coup and story they won’t tell Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz Crime makes IT too go round sometimes Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz See SCO case foir details Mar 04 01:40
schestowitz Almost 7 years now Mar 04 01:40
Chips_B_Malroy obsence amount of time for a bankrupcy, 7 years SCO Mar 04 01:41
schestowitz “New York based Elliott Associates manages more than $16 billion of capital for large institutional investors and wealthy individuals, and already holds 8.5 per cent stake in Waltham, Massachusetts-based Novell and has offered to acquire the remaining 91.5 per cent at a premium of 21 per cent over Novell’s Tuesday closing price.” Mar 04 01:42
schestowitz http://www.domain-b.com/infotech/itnews/20100303_elliott_associates.html Mar 04 01:42
phIRCe-BNc Title: domain-b.com : Elliott Associates makes $2 billion unsolicited bid for Novell .::. Size~: 11.2 KB Mar 04 01:42
schestowitz It used to have about $5 a few years ago Mar 04 01:42
schestowitz It sure attracts a lot of interest Mar 04 01:42
schestowitz Like another IV Mar 04 01:42
Chips_B_Malroy Horseplan ran it into the ground Mar 04 01:42
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20100301/0202228334.shtml http://www.law.com/jsp/PubArticle.jsp?id=1202444627585 Mar 04 01:43
phIRCe-BNc Title: Intellectual Ventures Lending Its Patents To Members To Sue Others | Techdirt .::. Size~: 54.83 KB Mar 04 01:43
phIRCe-BNc Title: Law.com – Verizon Case Marks a First for Patent Holder .::. Size~: 14.29 KB Mar 04 01:43
Chips_B_Malroy Again a quote from the last link I posted:  ” It will be interesting to see what happens here. Elliott International has been a shareholder for literally days, something that won’t exactly win them favor with management. The letter they shared today does not cite a commitment to finance this deal, and they are quite clear about this being a very “casual” buyout offer. I’m left to wonder if they’re actually serious ab Mar 04 01:47
Chips_B_Malroy ampaign to draw attention to management’s under-utilization of this company’s profit potential. The best outcome for Elliott – in my view – is interest from other parties or a big new cost-cutting commitment from management.” Mar 04 01:48
Chips_B_Malroy Maybe Miguel needs to look eslewhere for a job Mar 04 01:50
Chips_B_Malroy cost cutting Mar 04 01:51
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1594527/staff-cuts-ibm-alarm-union Mar 04 02:00
phIRCe-BNc Title:                     Staff cuts at ibm alarm union – The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 57.45 KB Mar 04 02:00
schestowitz http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/03/analysis-problems-with-enron-jury/ Mar 04 02:05
phIRCe-BNc Title: SCOTUSblog » Analysis: Problems with Enron jury       .::. Size~: 36.59 KB Mar 04 02:05
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: I’m checking what PJ makes of it… Mar 04 02:06
schestowitz In any case, I’ll post tomorrow Mar 04 02:07
sebsebseb Spanish police arrest masterminds of ‘massive’ botnet http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8547453.stm Mar 04 02:07
phIRCe-BNc Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.94 KB Mar 04 02:07
schestowitz I’ve asked another person who’s close to NOVL Mar 04 02:07
schestowitz sebsebseb: they arrested Ballmer?? Mar 04 02:07
schestowitz They need to get to the root of the problem Mar 04 02:07
schestowitz “[PJ: What a coincidence. Just on the eve of trial in SCO v. Novell. Elliott says they own 8.5% of Novell's common stock.]“ Mar 04 02:09
schestowitz Same in the INQ Mar 04 02:09
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1594559/elliott-novell-private Mar 04 02:10
phIRCe-BNc Title:                     Elliott wants to take novell private  - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 54.98 KB Mar 04 02:10
schestowitz “JUST BEFORE the trial opens in the SCO v. Novell lawsuit, investment fund Elliott Associates has offered to buy Novell for $2 billion.” Mar 04 02:10
Chips_B_Malroy yes, the timing is perfect Mar 04 02:11
sebsebseb schestowitz: that article doesn’t mention that it’s Windows computers that get taken over, also the image they used, I think I seen that before in some other BBC botnet article Mar 04 02:11
schestowitz ‘To do so, Mr. Singer is looking to to raise money from investors, the report said. Elliott could round up roughly $2 billion next year by inviting existing investors to commit more money, MarketWatch said, citing one investor who’s adding to positions and spoke on condition of anonymity.’ Mar 04 02:11
schestowitz http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/elliott-eyes-assets-in-distress-report-says/ Mar 04 02:12
phIRCe-BNc Title: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KB Mar 04 02:12
sebsebseb schestowitz: however it seems that important companies as well as banks, have computers that have come part of the botnet, or did I read that wrong? Mar 04 02:12
schestowitz ‘“Now the party is truly over,” Paul Singer, founder of the $16 billion hedge fund, wrote in a confidential letter to investors Oct. 15, obtained by MarketWatch. “The current economic and market environment resembles the one for which Elliott was formed.” ‘ Mar 04 02:12
sebsebseb schestowitz: “It included PCs inside more than half of Fortune 1000 companies and more than 40 major banks, investigators said.” Mar 04 02:13
schestowitz Hedge fund giant Elliott ramps up in wake of credit ‘party’ Mar 04 02:13
schestowitz http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hegde-fund-giant-elliott-ramps-up-after-credit-woe-2009-12-09?reflink=MW_news_stmp Mar 04 02:13
phIRCe-BNc Title: Giant Elliott ramps up after credit crisis – MarketWatch .::. Size~: 86.38 KB Mar 04 02:13
Chips_B_Malroy would those 8.5% of the stocks that Elliot has, be voting shares? Mar 04 02:13
Chips_B_Malroy would guess yes Mar 04 02:13
cubezzz found some not-so-good info on Trump Mar 04 02:14
cubezzz http://www.arystoteles.pl/nmf/acn-scam.php Mar 04 02:14
sebsebseb schestowitz: it’s a joke really,  computers out there that are meant to be important/special  and since they run Windows,  and I guess have people who don’t know how to keep it secure enough after all, well those computers become part of a botnet Mar 04 02:14
Chips_B_Malroy Trump is small change Mar 04 02:14
cubezzz he gets a lot of publicity though Mar 04 02:15
sebsebseb schestowitz: oh if only most computer users knew,  about botnets, and that they tend to be Windows computers the infected ones Mar 04 02:15
bruce89 there would be lot more macs around in that case Mar 04 02:16
sebsebseb bruce89: Macs can become part of a botnet as well Mar 04 02:16
sebsebseb I think that’s happended before even Mar 04 02:16
bruce89 anything theoretically can Mar 04 02:16
sebsebseb bruce89: well yeah Mar 04 02:16
sebsebseb except for really really basic OS’s for example I guess Mar 04 02:16
bruce89 although Atari STs are probably safe Mar 04 02:17
schestowitz http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/hedge-funds-sue-porsche-for-1-billion-lost-on-vw/ Mar 04 02:17
phIRCe-BNc Title: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KB Mar 04 02:17
sebsebseb bruce89: Atari STs ??? Mar 04 02:17
sebsebseb bruce89: There would be much more Desktop Linux around, if all of a sudden most computer users,  stopped being so ignorant. Mar 04 02:18
cubezzz duh duh DUH Mar 04 02:19
schestowitz “[PJ: Private? They want to take it private? So... would that mean all the dirt on Microsoft or whoever else is behind the SCO attack on Linux that likely surfaced in discovery in  SCO v. Novell would disappear from the planet?] -” Mar 04 02:20
schestowitz This is like organised crime AFAICT Mar 04 02:20
Chips_B_Malroy or someone else could use the Unix copyrites to sue IBM and Linux Mar 04 02:21
Chips_B_Malroy if Novell wins Mar 04 02:21
Chips_B_Malroy or sue MS Mar 04 02:21
Chips_B_Malroy but mostly the money behind this is probably MS money Mar 04 02:21
cubezzz business isn’t pretty Mar 04 02:21
cubezzz it would be nice if everyone played fair Mar 04 02:22
Chips_B_Malroy Sun/Oracle could also be in the crosshairs Mar 04 02:22
Chips_B_Malroy for open sourcing Solarous, and paying SCO to do it. Mar 04 02:23
Chips_B_Malroy Although, I think Sun would win that court case Mar 04 02:23
schestowitz “Elliott began acquiring Novell stock on Jan. 4 and controls about 8.5 percent of the company. -  AP on Google” Mar 04 02:26
schestowitz bingo Mar 04 02:26
schestowitz Cahn… Mar 04 02:27
schestowitz For SCO Mar 04 02:27
schestowitz Cohn for Elliot Mar 04 02:27
Chips_B_Malroy Suse needs to folk Mar 04 02:28
schestowitz http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2010/tc20100228_486251.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories Mar 04 02:31
phIRCe-BNc Title: Fighting a Flood of Counterfeit Tech Products – BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 53.33 KB Mar 04 02:31
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: yes Mar 04 02:31
schestowitz Some read BN Mar 04 02:31
schestowitz They’ll get the message about Novell one day Mar 04 02:32
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just checked my weight, it is 66.6 :D – beast of the evil Mar 04 02:32
Chips_B_Malroy Addresses for Elliot and Icahn are very close togeather on 5th Ave Mar 04 02:33
Chips_B_Malroy Elliot:  712 5th Ave Fl 36    Icahn Associates (Carl Icann):    767 Fifth Ave Suite 4700 Mar 04 02:35
sebsebseb schestowitz: something about the buttons on the left in the new theme for 10.04 Mar 04 02:35
sebsebseb schestowitz: yeah they are trying to copy OS X a bit here and there it seems Mar 04 02:35
sebsebseb DaemonFC  hi ^^^^^ Mar 04 02:35
Chips_B_Malroy of course, that could just be coinincedence Mar 04 02:35
sebsebseb in another channel I got someone that wants me to give proper reasons for why the  buttons should be on the right Mar 04 02:36
sebsebseb telling them that it should be on the right since that’s how Windows does it,  doesn’t seem to be enough for this person Mar 04 02:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] My brother has been working on Linux/mac68k port. He just booted 2.6.31 on a IIfx – 20 year old machine. #linux #kernel #mac #m68k #geek Mar 04 02:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hm, why can’t I block ‘protected’ ppl? Mar 04 02:37
bruce89 both are equally valid, but right seems to be more normal Mar 04 02:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @JesusChristHere @DesseMundo There’s only 1 god Lord Jesus Christ He ws never caught lip-synching /gawd, what kind of twits have we here Mar 04 02:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] just checked my weight it is 66.6 – weight of the evil :D Mar 04 02:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] For those keeping score a #Mac IIfx does ~ 9.75 #BogoMips. An SE/030 does about 3.81 (friend tested in 2003). #linux #benchmarks Mar 04 02:44
*jweyrich (~none@201-15-164-18.nhoce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #boycottnovell Mar 04 02:45
schestowitz http://www.prlog.org/10556630-novell-inc-investor-alert-offer-under-investigation.html Mar 04 02:45
phIRCe-BNc Title: Novell, Inc. Investor Alert: Offer under investigation .::. Size~: 32.99 KB Mar 04 02:45
schestowitz http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33802.html Mar 04 02:47
phIRCe-BNc Title: Book: HP eyed Fiorina as dad ruled on case  - Josh Gerstein – POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 60.95 KB Mar 04 02:47
DaemonFC “Good catch, let’s see if old Steve-o will work for free like he’s asking the firefighters to.” -Me on the mayor’s proposals Mar 04 02:50
DaemonFC lol Mar 04 02:50
schestowitz Ubuntu is still UBD (ugly by default): http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/ubuntu-dumps-the-brown-introduces-new-theme.ars Mar 04 02:50
phIRCe-BNc Title: Ubuntu dumps the brown, introduces new theme and branding .::. Size~: 29.08 KB Mar 04 02:50
schestowitz DaemonFC: steve-o from jackass? Mar 04 02:50
DaemonFC our mayor’s name is Steve and he is a jackass Mar 04 02:50
DaemonFC B-) Mar 04 02:50
DaemonFC Steve-o Mar 04 02:50
DaemonFC hehe Mar 04 02:50
DaemonFC hell, I’m an asshole but I’m not stupid, make me the mayor Mar 04 02:51
DaemonFC I’ll fix his bungling :P Mar 04 02:51
schestowitz I know Mar 04 02:51
schestowitz I was joking Mar 04 02:51
schestowitz Do what steve-o did Mar 04 02:51
schestowitz Plunk his eye blow Mar 04 02:51
schestowitz *eyebrows Mar 04 02:51
schestowitz Like in that episode where he’s hairless Mar 04 02:52
schestowitz He looked an alien Mar 04 02:52
DaemonFC schestowitz, You figure this is a good setup though? Pointing out the mayor is drawing a salary while he asks firefighters to work free and fires cops? Mar 04 02:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@shoq you’re so cute when you’re outraged #hcr Mar 04 02:52
DaemonFC if the firefighters are expected to work free, so should the mayor Mar 04 02:53
DaemonFC if there’s no money to pay emergency workers, there’s no money to pay him Mar 04 02:53
DaemonFC I’m going to hit him with that at the next town meeting Mar 04 02:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] But I can top the Mac IIfx running 2.6.31. That’s only 20 years old. I have #VAX es 10 years older than that which can in theory boot #Linux Mar 04 02:54
DaemonFC “What about the Mayor? Why can’t HE take a paycut? How much does he make? Why was he hiring his wife as “Executive Assistant” like this is frapping Chicago or something and he needed a secretary paid out of the town’s treasury?” Mar 04 02:55
DaemonFC hehe Mar 04 02:55
DaemonFC trying to incite some popular anger Mar 04 02:55
DaemonFC I’m just going to let loose on him there with a stream of this stuff Mar 04 02:56
Chips_B_Malroy Roy, you can add Argentina to the list of Elloits victims  http://blog.managingautomation.com/edge/2008/11/vulture-economics/  “Elliott has done this in strapped developing countries such as Peru, Argentina, and the Republic of Congo where local press reports have labeled the company a “vulture investor.”” Mar 04 03:04
phIRCe-BNc Title: Vulture Economics .::. Size~: 29.64 KB Mar 04 03:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Server consolidation getting to be a hot topic. #Sun hardware and software does this *really* well. #sun #sparc #solaris #zfs #green #energy Mar 04 03:04
Chips_B_Malroy ah, here it is, the tie-in with Carl Icahn:  “But, like other well-known hedge fund investors, Singer also likes to throw his weight around. Last year, along with hedge fund mogul Carl Icahn, Singer invested in troubled Motorola and, after an unsuccessful takeover bid, forced the resignation of CEO Ed Zander.” Mar 04 03:06
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: nice one Mar 04 03:07
Chips_B_Malroy Ballmer–Icahn–Singer Mar 04 03:07
DaemonFC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DTjLG3usQo Mar 04 03:08
phIRCe-BNc Title: YouTube- Worst Video Games Ever – ET .::. Size~: 122.22 KB Mar 04 03:08
Chips_B_Malroy The same bid, then reduce the bid ploy Singer uses that Ballmer also does Mar 04 03:09
Chips_B_Malroy lot of good material in that last link Mar 04 03:09
Chips_B_Malroy I fear a sale of Novell to Elliot is not a good thing for GNU/Linux Mar 04 03:10
Chips_B_Malroy Icahn and Singer both were on the Rudy Giuliani’s national finance executive committee during the presidental election.  Also big contributors.   http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/04/romneys_straw_p.php Mar 04 03:15
phIRCe-BNc Title:                 Romney’s Straw Poll Victories, Rudy’s Finance Team, Edwards Outapces Clinton In WNY – Hotline On Call             .::. Size~: 38.05 KB Mar 04 03:15
Chips_B_Malroy another tie-in Mar 04 03:15
Chips_B_Malroy “Ex-NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani unveiled his national finance executive committee today and a list of three dozen regional finance chairs. Bigger names include Carl Icahn, ex-VA Gov. candidate Jerry Kilgore, MD developer John C. Reith, ex-IL Gov candidate Ron Gidwitz, Nat’l Assoc. of Wholesaler-Distributors pres. Dirk Van Dongen and Paul Singer, general parter of Elliott Associates.” Mar 04 03:15
Chips_B_Malroy its obvious these guys know each other, and seem to be in lock step Mar 04 03:17
Chips_B_Malroy Wonder if Bill Senior has offices nearby too Mar 04 03:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Good memories from old track, Mahadeva by Astral Projection. Wonder if they are gonna play close to norway in the future. Last was denmark. Mar 04 03:19
DaemonFC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kot6JND1uQ&feature=related Mar 04 03:21
phIRCe-BNc Title: YouTube- Worst Video Games Ever – Ring King .::. Size~: 115.86 KB Mar 04 03:21
*bruce89 has quit (Quit: What’s this button do?) Mar 04 03:33
Ender2070 haha Mar 04 03:38
Ender2070 reiser4 owns Mar 04 03:38
schestowitz Chips_B_Malroy: Gates has about 300 offices, IIRC Mar 04 03:50
schestowitz Look it up at Wikipedia Mar 04 03:50
schestowitz Gaats Sr’s firm also handles some of the SCO money Mar 04 03:51
Chips_B_Malroy ok Mar 04 03:52
Share in other sites/networks: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Reddit
  • email

Decor ᶃ Gemini Space

Below is a Web proxy. We recommend getting a Gemini client/browser.

Black/white/grey bullet button This post is also available in Gemini over at this address (requires a Gemini client/browser to open).

Decor ✐ Cross-references

Black/white/grey bullet button Pages that cross-reference this one, if any exist, are listed below or will be listed below over time.

Decor ▢ Respond and Discuss

Black/white/grey bullet button If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

DecorWhat Else is New

  1. Debian 11 on My Main Rig: So Far Mostly OK, But Missing Some Software From Debian 10

    Distributions of GNU/Linux keep urging us to move to the latest, but is the latest always the greatest? On Friday my Debian 10 drive died, so I started moving to Debian 11 on a new drive and here's what that did to my life.

  2. Stigmatising GNU/Linux for Not Withstanding Hardware Failures

    Nowadays "the news" is polluted with a lot of GNU/Linux-hostile nonsense; like with patents, the signal-to-noise ratio is appalling and here we deal with a poor 'report' about "Linux servers" failing to work

  3. Microsofters Inside Sirius 'Open Source'

    Sirius ‘Open Source’ has been employing incompetent managers for years — a sentiment shared among colleagues by the way; today we examine some glaring examples with redacted communications to prove it

  4. Links 29/01/2023: GNOME 43.3 Fixes and Lots About Games

    Links for the day

  5. The Hey Hype Machine

    "Hey Hype" or "Hey Hi" (AI) has been dominating the press lately and a lot of that seems to boil down to paid-for marketing; we need to understand what's truly going on and not be distracted by the substance-less hype

  6. IRC Proceedings: Saturday, January 28, 2023

    IRC logs for Saturday, January 28, 2023

  7. Unmasking AI

    A guest article by Andy Farnell

  8. The ISO Delusion/Sirius Corporation: A 'Tech' Company Run by Non-Technical People

    Sirius ‘Open Source’ was hiring people who brought to the company a culture of redundant tasks and unwanted, even hostile technology; today we continue to tell the story of a company run by the CEO whose friends and acquaintances did severe damage

  9. Links 28/01/2023: Lots of Catching Up (Had Hardware Crash)

    Links for the day

  10. IRC Proceedings: Friday, January 27, 2023

    IRC logs for Friday, January 27, 2023

  11. Microsoft DuckDuckGo Falls to Lowest Share in 2 Years After Being Widely Exposed as Microsoft Proxy, Fake 'Privacy'

    DuckDuckGo, according to this latest data from Statcounter, fell from about 0.71% to just 0.58%; all the gains have been lost amid scandals, such as widespread realisation that DuckDuckGo is a Microsoft informant, curated by Microsoft and hosted by Microsoft (Bing is meanwhile laying off many people, but the media isn’t covering that or barely bothers)

  12. This is What the Microsoft-Sponsored Media Has Been Hyping Up for Weeks (Ahead of Microsoft Layoffs)

    Reprinted with permission from Ryan

  13. [Meme] António Campinos Wants to Be F***ing President Until 2028

    António Campinos insists he will be EPO President for 10 years, i.e. even longer than Benoît Battistelli (despite having appalling approval rates from staff)

  14. European Patent Office Staff Losing Hope

    The EPO’s management with its shallow campaign of obfuscation (pretending to protect children or some other nonsense) is not fooling patent examiners, who have grown tired and whose representatives say “the administration shows no intention of involving the staff representation in the drafting of the consultant’s mandate” (like in Sirius ‘Open Source’ where technical staff is ignored completely for misguided proposals to pass in the dark)

  15. IRC Proceedings: Thursday, January 26, 2023

    IRC logs for Thursday, January 26, 2023

  16. Sirius Relegated/Demoted/Destined Itself to Technical Hell by Refusing to Listen to the Technical Staff (Which Wanted to Stay With Asterisk/Free Software)

    In my final year at Sirius ‘Open Source’ communication systems had already become chaotic; there were too many dysfunctional tools, a lack of instructions, a lack of coordination and the proposed ‘solution’ (this past October) was just more complexity and red tape

  17. Geminispace Approaching Another Growth Milestone (2,300 Active Capsules)

    The expansion of Geminispace is worth noting again because another milestone is approached, flirted with, or will be surpassed this coming weekend

  18. [Meme] Cannot Get a Phone to Work... in 2022

    Sirius ‘Open Source’ wasted hours of workers’ time just testing the phone after it had moved to a defective system of Google (proprietary); instead of a rollback (back to Asterisk) the company doubled down on the faulty system and the phones still didn’t work properly, resulting in missing calls and angst (the company just blamed the workers who all along rejected this new system)

  19. [Meme] Modern Phones

    Sirius ‘Open Source’ is mistaking “modern” for better; insecurity and a lack of tech savvy typically leads to that

  20. The ISO Delusion: Sirius Corporation Demonstrates a Lack of Understanding of Security and Privacy

    Sirius ‘Open Source’, emboldened by ISO ‘paperwork’ (certification), lost sight of what it truly takes to run a business securely, mistaking worthless gadgets for “advancement” while compelling staff to sign a new contract in a hurry (prior contract-signing scandals notwithstanding)

  21. Links 26/01/2023: LibreOffice 7.4.5 and Ubuntu Pro Offers

    Links for the day

  22. Links 26/01/2023: GNU poke 3.0 and PipeWire 0.3.65

    Links for the day

  23. IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, January 25, 2023

    IRC logs for Wednesday, January 25, 2023

  24. Companies Would Collapse Upon Abandoning Their Original Goals (That Attracted All the Productive Staff)

    Staff with technical skills won't stick around in companies that reject technical arguments and moreover move to proprietary software in a company that brands itself "Open Source"

  25. [Meme] Listen to Your Workers, Avert Disaster

    Companies that refuse to take input from staff are doomed to fail

  26. The ISO Delusion: When the Employer Doesn’t Understand the Company's Value Proposition (Building Systems) and Rejects Security

    Sirius ‘Open Source’ has failed to sell what it was actually good at; instead it hired unqualified people and outsourced almost everything

  27. Links 25/01/2023: NuTyX 23.01.1 and GNU Guile 3.0.9 Released

    Links for the day

  28. Links 25/01/2023: Stratis 3.5.0 and Many Political Links

    Links for the day

  29. New Record Low: Only One 'Linux' Article in ZDNet in More Than Two Weeks

    Only a few years ago ZDNet published about 3 “Linux” stories per day (mostly FUD pieces); now it’s a ghost town, painted in ‘alien green’; considering ZDNet’s agenda (and sponsors) maybe it’s better this way

  30. Links 25/01/2023: Pale Moon 32.0 and DXVK 2.1

    Links for the day

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

Recent Posts